Wikibooks enwikibooks https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.5 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Wikibooks Wikibooks talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk Cookbook Cookbook talk Transwiki Transwiki talk Wikijunior Wikijunior talk Subject Subject talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Event Event talk 0 228 4639417 4519055 2026-06-08T19:12:31Z Д.Ильин 688474 4639417 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude> [[Image:Go To Organic Chemistry Contents .png]] </noinclude> Alkanes are the simplest organic molecules, consisting solely of singly-bonded carbon and hydrogen atoms. Alkanes are used as the basis for naming the majority of organic compounds (their '''nomenclature'''). Alkanes have the general formula C_nH_2n+2. Although their reactivities are often rather uninteresting, they provide an excellent basis for understanding bonding, conformation, and other important concepts which can be generalized to more "useful" molecules. =Introduction= [[image:Dimethylpropane.png|thumb|2,2-dimethylpropane or neopentane.<br />An example of an alkane]] Alkanes are the simplest and the least reactive [[w:hydrocarbon|hydrocarbon]] species containing only carbons and hydrogens. They are commercially very important, for being the principal constituent of gasoline and lubricating oils and are extensively employed in organic chemistry; though the role of pure alkanes (such as hexanes) is delegated mostly to solvents. The distinguishing feature of an alkane, making it distinct from other compounds that also exclusively contain carbon and hydrogen, is its lack of [[w:unsaturation|unsaturation]]. That is to say, it contains no double or triple bonds, which are highly reactive in organic chemistry. Though not totally devoid of reactivity, their lack of reactivity under most laboratory conditions makes them a relatively uninteresting, though very important component of organic chemistry. As you will learn about later, the energy confined within the carbon-carbon bond and the carbon-hydrogen bond is quite high and their rapid oxidation produces a large amount of heat, typically in the form of fire. As said it is important, not considered very important component in the chemistry. == Introductory Definitions == '''Organic compounds''' contain '''carbon''' and '''hydrogen''' by definition and usually other elements (e.g. '''nitrogen''' and '''oxygen''') as well. (CO₂ is not an organic compound because it has no hydrogen). '''Hydrocarbons''' are organic compounds that contain carbon and hydrogen only. '''Alkanes''' are hydrocarbons or organic compounds made up of only carbon-carbon single bonds.Hence they are saturated. (as opposed to double and triple bonds). The simplest alkane is '''[[w:methane|methane]].''' ==Methane== <div class="noprint" style="border:1px solid gold; background:cornsilk; padding: 4px; text-align: center; float: right;"><small> ''On WP:'' <br> [[w:Alkane#Molecular_geometry|Alkanes]] </small></div> Methane, (CH₄, one carbon bonded to four hydrogens) is the simplest organic molecule. It is a gas at [[w:Standard_conditions_for_temperature_and_pressure|standard temperature and pressure (STP)]]. {| |- |[[File:Methane-2D-flat-small.png|150px]] |- | Methane |} This is a flattened, two-dimensional representation of methane that you will see commonly. The true three-dimensional form of methane does not have any 90 degree angles between bonded hydrogens. The bonds point to the four corners of a [[w:Tetrahedron|tetrahedron]], forming cos^-1(-1/3) ≈ 109.5 degree bond angles. [[Image:Tetrahedral-angle-3D-balls.png|right|thumb|3D rendering of methane, a regular tetrahedral shape.]] ==Ethane== Two carbons singly bonded to each other with six hydrogens is called '''[[w:Ethane|ethane]]'''. [[Image:Ethane-flat.png|80px]] Ethane is the second simplest hydrocarbon molecule. It can be thought of as two methane molecules attached to each other, but with two fewer hydrogen atoms. Note that, if we were simply to create a new bond between the carbon centers of two methane molecules, this would violate the octet rule for the involved atoms. There are several common methods to draw organic molecules. They are often used interchangeably, although some methods work better for one situation or another. It is important to be familiar with the common methods, as these are the "languages" organic chemists can use to discuss structure with one another. =Drawing alkanes= When writing out the alkane structures, you can use different levels of the shorthand depending on the needs at hand in hand. For example, pentane can be written out. Its formula is C₅H₁₂. [[File:Pentane.svg|150px]], or CH₃&ndash;CH₂&ndash;CH₂&ndash;CH₂&ndash;CH₃, or CH₃(CH₂)₃CH₃, or minimized to [[File:Pentane-2D-Skeletal.svg|100px]] ==Line drawing shorthand== Although non-cyclic alkanes are called straight-chain alkanes they are technically made of linked chains. This is reflected in the line-drawing method. Each ending point and bend in the line represents one carbon atom and each short line represents one single carbon-carbon bond. Every carbon is assumed to be surrounded with a maximum number of hydrogen atoms unless shown otherwise. {| | [[File:Propane-2D-Skeletal.svg|60px]] [[File:Butane_simple.svg|85px]] [[File:Pentane-2D-Skeletal.svg|100px]] |- | ''Propane, butane, pentane'' |} Structures drawn without explicitly showing all carbon atoms are often called "skeletal" structures, since they represent the skeleton or the backbone of the molecule. In organic chemistry, carbon is very frequently used, so chemists know that there is a carbon atom at the endpoints of every line that is not specifically labeled. =Conformations= '''Conformers''', also called '''conformational isomers''', or '''rotational isomers''',or''' rotomers''' are arrangements of the same molecule made transiently different by the rotation in space about one or more single bonds. Other types of isomer can only be converted from one form to another by ''breaking'' bonds, but conformational isomers can be made simply by ''rotating'' bonds. ==Newman projections== Newman projections are drawings used to represent different positions of parts of molecules relative to each other in space. Remember that single bonds can rotate in space if not impeded. Newman projections represent different positions of rotating molecule parts. {| |- | Conformers interconvert readily, normally thousands of times a second as parts of molecules spin. | [[Image:Spinningnewman.png]] |- | In the following drawings, methyl groups are on the front and back ends of the molecule and a circle represents all that lies between. | <div align=center>[[Image:Methylnewman.png]]<small> ''Note: This is how methyl groups are represented in Newman projections'' </small></div> |} <center> {| CELLPADDING="4" |- | <center>[[Image:Staggerednewmanprojection.png]]</center> | <center>[[Image:Eclipsednewmanprojection.png]]</center> |- | <center>'''Staggered conformation'''</center> | <center>'''Eclipsed conformation'''<br> (front end overlaps the back and also unstable)</center> |}</center> ==Conformations and energy== Different conformations have different potential energies. The staggered conformation is at a lower potential energy than the eclipsed conformation, and is favored. In ethane, the barrier to rotation is approximately 25 kJ/mol, indicating that each pair of eclipsed hydrogens raises the energy by about 8 kJ/mol. This number also applies to other organic compounds which have hydrogen atoms at similar distances from each other. At very low temperatures all conformations revert to the stabler( due to minimized vibration of atoms at it's mean position) , lower energy staggered conformation. ==Steric effects== Steric effects have to do with size. Two bulky objects run into each other and invade each others space. If we replace one or more hydrogen atoms on the above Newman projections with a methyl or other group, the potential energy goes up especially for the eclipsed conformations. Lets look at a Newman projection of butane as it rotates counterclockwise around its axes. <center> {| CELLPADDING="2" |- | <center>[[Image:Newmanprojection1.png]]</center> | [[Image:U+21C4.svg|50px]] | <center>[[Image:Newmanprojection2.png]]</center> | [[Image:U+21C4.svg|50px]] | <center>[[Image:Newmanprojection3.png]]</center> | [[Image:U+21C4.svg|50px]] | <center>[[Image:Newmanprojection4.png]]</center> |- | <center>Anti</center> || || <center>Eclipsed</center> | || <center>Gauche</center> || || <center>Eclipsed</center> |} </center> When the larger groups overlap they repel each other more strongly than do hydrogen, and the potential energy goes up. ==Entropy== Entropy, represented as a '''&Delta;S''', is a mathematical construct that represents disorder or probability. Natural systems want to find the lowest energy or organization possible, which translates to the highest entropy. ''A note about potential energy: If you are rusty on this, remember the analogy of a big rock pushed to the top of a hill. At the top it has a maximum of potential energy. When you push it and allow it to roll down the hill the potential energy stored in it is transformed into kinetic energy that can be used to generate heat or smash something. '' Notice that statistically, the ethane molecule has twice as many opportunities to be in the gauche conformation as in the anti conformation. However, because the Gauche configuration brings the methyl groups closer together in space, this generates high energy steric interactions and do not occur without the input of energy. Thus, the butane molecules shown will almost never be found in such unfavorable conformations. = Preparation of Alkanes = ===Wurtz reaction=== Wurtz reaction is coupling of haloalkanes using sodium metal in solvent like dry ether <p> <B> 2R-X + 2Na → R-R + 2Na⁺X⁻</B></p> =====Mechanism===== The reaction consists of a halogen-metal exchange involving the free radical species R• (in a similar fashion to the formation of a Grignard reagent and then the carbon-carbon bond formation in a nucleophilic substitution reaction.) One electron from the metal is transferred to the halogen to produce a metal halide and an alkyl radical. :R-X + M → R• + M⁺X⁻ The alkyl radical then accepts an electron from another metal atom to form an alkyl anion and the metal becomes cationic. This intermediate has been isolated in a several cases. :R• + M → R⁻M⁺ The nucleophilic carbon of the alkyl anion then displaces the halide in an S_N2 reaction, forming a new carbon-carbon covalent bond. :R⁻M⁺ + R-X → R-R + M⁺X⁻ :'''COREY-HOUSE reactioN''' :[Also called as 'coupling of alkyl halides with organo metallic compounds'] :It is a better method than wurtz reaction. An alkyl halides and a lithium dialkyl copper are reacted to give a higher hydrocarbon :R'-X + R₂CuLi---->R-R' + R-Cu + LiX :(R and R' may be same or different) :It ===Clemmensen reduction=== Clemmensen reduction is a reduction of ketones (or aldehydes) to alkanes using zinc amalgam and hydrochloric acid [[Image:Clemmensen Reduction Scheme.png|center|300px|The Clemmensen reduction]] The Clemmensen reduction is particularly effective at reducing aryl-alkyl ketones. With aliphatic or cyclic ketones, zinc metal reduction is much more effective The substrate must be stable in the strongly acidic conditions of the Clemmensen reduction. Acid sensitive substrates should be reacted in the Wolff-Kishner reduction, which utilizes strongly basic conditions; a further, milder method is the Mozingo reduction. As a result of Clemmensen Reduction, the carbon of the carbonyl group involved is converted from sp² hybridisation to sp³ hybridisation. The oxygen atom is lost in the form of one molecule of water. ===Wolff-Kishner reduction=== [[Image:Wolff-Kishner Summary V.1.svg|center|400px|The Wolff-Kishner reduction]] The Wolff–Kishner reduction is a chemical reaction that fully reduces a ketone (or aldehyde) to an alkane. Condensation of the carbonyl compound with hydrazine forms the hydrazone, and treatment with base induces the reduction of the carbon coupled with oxidation of the hydrazine to gaseous nitrogen, to yield the corresponding alkane. =====Mechanism===== [[Image:Wolff-Kishner-Huang Reduction.png|center|600px|The mechanism of Wolff-Kishner reduction]] The mechanism first involves the formation of the hydrazone in a mechanism that is probably analogous to the formation of an imine. Successive deprotonations eventually result in the evolution of nitrogen. The mechanism can be justified by the evolution of nitrogen as the thermodynamic driving force. This reaction is also used to distinguish between aldehydes and ketones. ===Mozingo Reduction=== A thioketal is first produced by reaction of the ketone with an appropriate thiol. The product is then hydrogenolyzed to the alkane, using Raney nickel [[Image:Mozingo reaction.svg|center|600px]] = Properties of Alkanes = <div class="noprint" style="border:1px solid gold; background:cornsilk; padding: 4px; text-align: center; float: right;"><small> ''On WP:'' <br> [[w:Alkane#Properties|Alkane properties]] </small></div> Alkanes are '''not very reactive''' when compared with other chemical species. This is because the backbone carbon atoms in alkanes have attained their octet of electrons through forming four covalent bonds (the maximum allowed number of bonds under the octet rule; which is why carbon's valence number is 4). These four bonds formed by carbon in alkanes are sigma bonds, which are more stable than other types of bond because of the greater overlap of carbon's atomic orbitals with neighboring atoms' atomic orbitals. To make alkanes react, the input of additional energy is needed; either through heat or radiation. Gasoline is a mixture of the alkanes and unlike many chemicals, can be stored for long periods and transported without problem. It is only when ignited that it has enough energy to continue reacting. This property makes it difficult for alkanes to be converted into other types of organic molecules. (There are only a few ways to do this). Alkanes are also '''less dense than water''', as one can observe, oil, an alkane, floats on water. Alkanes are '''non-polar solvents'''. Since only C and H atoms are present, alkanes are nonpolar. Alkanes are [[w:Miscible|immiscible]] in water but freely miscible in other non-polar solvents. Alkanes consisting of weak dipole dipole bonds can not break the strong hydrogen bond between water molecules hence it is not miscible in water. The same character is also shown by alkenes. Because alkanes contain only carbon and hydrogen, combustion produces compounds that contain only carbon, hydrogen, and/or oxygen. Like other hydrocarbons, combustion under most circumstances produces mainly carbon dioxide and water. However, alkanes require more heat to combust and do not release as much heat when they combust as other classes of hydrocarbons. Therefore, combustion of alkanes produces higher concentrations of organic compounds containing oxygen, such as aldehydes and ketones, when combusting at the same temperature as other hydrocarbons. The general formula for alkanes is C_NH_2N+2; the simplest possible alkane is therefore methane, CH₄. The next simplest is ethane, C₂H₆; the series continues indefinitely. Each carbon atom in an alkane has sp³ hybridization. Alkanes are also known as paraffins, or collectively as the paraffin series. These terms are also used for alkanes whose carbon atoms form a single, unbranched chain. Branched-chain alkanes are called isoparaffins. '''Methane''' through '''Butane''' are very flammable gases at standard temperature and pressure (STP). '''Pentane''' is an extremely flammable liquid boiling at 36 °C and boiling points and melting points steadily increase from there; octadecane is the first alkane which is solid at room temperature. Longer alkanes are waxy solids; candle wax generally has between C₂₀ and C₂₅ chains. As chain length increases ultimately we reach polyethylene, which consists of carbon chains of indefinite length, which is generally a hard white solid. == Chemical properties == Alkanes react only very poorly with ionic or other polar substances. The pKa values of all alkanes are above 50, and so they are practically inert to acids and bases. This inertness is the source of the term paraffins (Latin para + affinis, with the meaning here of "lacking affinity"). In crude oil the alkane molecules have remained chemically unchanged for millions of years. However redox reactions of alkanes, in particular with oxygen and the halogens, are possible as the carbon atoms are in a strongly reduced condition; in the case of methane, the lowest possible oxidation state for carbon (−4) is reached. Reaction with oxygen leads to combustion without any smoke; with halogens, substitution. In addition, alkanes have been shown to interact with, and bind to, certain transition metal complexes. Free radicals, molecules with unpaired electrons, play a large role in most reactions of alkanes, such as cracking and reformation where long-chain alkanes are converted into shorter-chain alkanes and straight-chain alkanes into branched-chain isomers. In highly branched alkanes and cycloalkanes, the bond angles may differ significantly from the optimal value (109.5°) in order to allow the different groups sufficient space. This causes a tension in the molecule, known as steric hinderance, and can substantially increase the reactivity. The same is preferred for alkenes too. =Introduction to Nomenclature= Before we can understand reactions in organic chemistry, we must begin with a basic knowledge of naming the compounds. The [[w:IUPAC|IUPAC]] [[wikt:nomenclature|nomenclature]] is a system on which most organic chemists have agreed to provide guidelines to allow them to learn from each others' works. Nomenclature, in other words, provides a foundation of language for organic chemistry. The names of all alkanes end with ''-ane''. Whether or not the carbons are linked together end-to-end in a ring (called ''cyclic alkanes'' or ''cycloalkanes'') or whether they contain side chains and branches, the name of every carbon-hydrogen chain that lacks any double bonds or functional groups will end with the suffix ''-ane''. Alkanes with unbranched carbon chains are simply named by the number of carbons in the chain. The first four members of the series (in terms of number of carbon atoms) are named as follows: # CH₄ = '''methane''' = one hydrogen-saturated carbon # C₂H₆ = '''ethane''' = two hydrogen-saturated carbons # C₃H₈ = '''propane''' = three hydrogen-saturated carbons # C₄H₁₀ = '''butane''' = four hydrogen-saturated carbons Alkanes with five or more carbon atoms are named by adding the suffix ''-ane'' to the appropriate numerical multiplier, except the terminal ''-a'' is removed from the basic numerical term. Hence, C₅H₁₂ is called ''pentane'', C₆H₁₄ is called ''hexane'', C₇H₁₆ is called ''heptane'' and so forth. Straight-chain alkanes are sometimes indicated by the prefix ''n-'' (for normal) to distinguish them from branched-chain alkanes having the same number of carbon atoms. Although this is not strictly necessary, the usage is still common in cases where there is an important difference in properties between the straight-chain and branched-chain isomers: e.g. ''n-hexane'' is a neurotoxin while its branched-chain isomers are not. ==Number of hydrogens to carbons== This equation describes the relationship between the number of hydrogen and carbon atoms in alkanes: :'''H = 2C + 2''' where "C" and "H" are used to represent the number of carbon and hydrogen atoms present in one molecule. If C = 2, then H = 6. Many textbooks put this in the following format: :'''C_nH_2n+2''' where "C_n" and "H_2n+2" represent the number of carbon and hydrogen atoms present in one molecule. If C_n = 3, then H_2n+2 = 2(3) + 2 = 8. (For this formula look to the "n" for the number, the "C" and the "H" letters themselves do not change.) Progressively longer hydrocarbon chains can be made and are named systematically, depending on the number of carbons in the longest chain. ==Naming carbon chains up to twelve== *methane (1 carbon) *ethane (2 carbons) *propane (3 carbons) *butane (4 carbons) *pentane (5 carbons) *hexane (6 carbons) *heptane (7 carbons) *octane (8 carbons) *nonane (9 carbons) *decane (10 carbons) *undecane (11 carbons) *dodecane (12 carbons) The prefixes of the first three are the contribution of a German Chemist, August Wilhelm Hoffman, who also suggested the name quartane for 4 carbons in 1866. However, the but- prefix had already been in use since the 1820s and the name quartane never caught on. He also recommended the endings to use the vowels, a, e, i (or y), o, and u, or -ane, -ene, -ine or -yne, -one, and -une. Again, only the first three caught on for single, double, and triple bonds and -one was already in use for ketones. Pent, hex, hept, oct, and dec all come from the ancient Greek numbers (penta, hex, hepta, octa, deka) and oddly, non, from the Latin novem. For longer-chained alkanes we use the special IUPAC multiplying affixes. For example, pentadecane signifies an alkane with 5+10 = 15 carbon atoms. For chains of length 30, 40, 50, and so on the basic prefix is added to -contane. For example, C₅₇H₁₁₆ is named as heptapentacontane. When the chain contains 20-29 atoms we have an exception. C₂₀H₄₂ is known as icosane, and then we have, e.g. tetracosane (eliding the "i" when necessary). For the length 100 we have "hecta" but for 200, 300 ... 900 we have "dicta", "tricta", and so on, eliding the "i" on "icta" when necessary; for 1000 we have "kilia" but for 2000 and so on, "dilia", "trilia", and so on, eliding the "i" on "ilia" when necessary. We then put all of the prefixes together in reverse order. The alkane with 9236 carbon atoms is then hexatridinoniliane. == Isomerism == The atoms in alkanes with more than three carbon atoms can be arranged in many ways, leading to a large number of potential different configurations (isomers). So-called "normal" alkanes have a linear, unbranched configuration, but the ''n-'' isomer of any given alkane is only one of potentially hundreds or even possibly millions of configurations for that number of carbon and hydrogen atoms in some sort of chain arrangement.<br>Isomerism is defined as the compound having same moleculer formula the formula which present the different moleculer formula arrangement are called as Isomerism.<br>e.g.- The molecular formula for butane is C₄H₁₀. The number of isomers increases rapidly with the number of carbon atoms in a given alkane molecule; for alkanes with as few as 12 carbon atoms, there are over three hundred and fifty-five possible forms the molecule can take! :{| class="wikitable" |- ! # Carbon Atoms !! # Isomers of Alkane |- | 1 | 1 |- | 2 | 1 |- | 3 | 1 |- | 4 | 2 |- | 5 | 3 |- | 6 | 5 |- | 7 | 9 |- | 8 | 18 |- | 9 | 35 |- | 10 | 75 |- | 11 | 159 |- | 12 | 355 |} ==Branched chains== Carbon is able to bond in all four directions and easily forms strong bonds with other carbon atoms. When one carbon is bonded to more than two other carbons it forms a branch. {| |[[File:Isobutane-numbered-2D.png|200px|thumb|Isobutane]] || [[File:Neopentane-2D.svg|200px|thumb|Neopentane]] |} Above you see a carbon bonded to three and four other carbons. :Note: a methane group is called a '''methyl''' group when it is bonded to another carbon instead of a fourth hydrogen. &ndash;CH₃ The common system has naming convention for carbon chains as they relate to branching. :'''n-alkanes''' are linear :'''iso-alkanes''' have one branch R₂CH— :'''neo-alkanes''' have two branches R₃C— ''Note: "R" in organic chemistry is a placeholder that can represent any carbon group.'' ==Constitutional isomers== One of the most important characteristics of carbon is its ability to form '''several relatively strong bonds''' per atom. It is for this reason that many scientists believe that carbon is the only element that could be the basis for the many complicated molecules needed to support a living being. One carbon atom can have attached to it not just the one or two other carbons needed to form a single chain but can bond to up to four other carbons. It is this ability to bond multiply that allows isomerism. '''Isomers''' are two molecules with the same molecular formula but different physical arrangements. '''Constitutional isomers''' have their atoms arranged in a different order. A constitutional isomer of butane has a main chain that is forked at the end and one carbon shorter in its main chain than butane. {| | [[File:Butan_Lewis.svg|thumb|Butane]] || [[File:Isobutane 1.svg|100px|thumb|Isobutane (2-methyl-propane)]] |} == Naming Alkanes == There are several ways or systems for the '''nomenclature''', or naming, of organic molecules, but just two main ones. #The traditional, non-systematic names. Many of these linger on, especially for simpler or more common molecules. #The systematic '''[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUPAC IUPAC]''' (''eye-YOU-pack (International Union of Pure And Applied Chemistry)'') names. The IUPAC system is necessary for complicated organic compounds. It gives a series of unified rules for naming a large compound by conceptually dividing it up into smaller, more manageable nameable units. Many traditional (non-IUPAC) names are still commonly used in industry, especially for simpler and more common chemicals, as the traditional names were already entrenched. ==IUPAC naming rules== <div class="noprint" style="border:1px solid gold; background:cornsilk; padding: 4px; text-align: center; float: right;"><small> ''On WP:'' <br> [[w:IUPAC nomenclature of organic chemistry|IUPAC naming]] </small></div> #Find the longest carbon chain, identify the end near which the most [[Wikipedia:substituent|substituents]] are located, and number the carbons sequentially from that end. This will be the parent chain. #Consider all other carbon groups as substituents. #Alphabetize the substituents. #Number the substituents according to the carbon to which they are attached. If numbering can be done in more than one way, use the numbering system that results in the smallest numbers. Substituents are named like a parent, and replacing the ''-ane'' ending with ''-yl''. ===Numbering=== [[Image:237trimethyloctanelines.png]] The above molecule is numbered as follows: [[Image:237trimethyloctane.png]] 2,3,7-Trimethyloctane [[Image:267trimethyloctane.png]] '''Not''' 2,6,7-Trimethyloctane. Remember, number so as to give the smallest numbers to the substituents. ===Alphabetizing=== [[Image:3ethyl3methylpentane.png]] 3-Ethyl-3-methylpentane ''Ethyl'' is listed before ''methyl'' for alphabetizing purposes. == Branched Substituents == ===Naming branched substituents=== [[Image:3-(1-methylethyl)-2,4-dimet.png]] 3-(1-methylethyl)-2,4-dimethylpentane The main chain in the drawing is numbered 1-5. The main part of the branched substituent, an ethyl group, is numbered 1' and 2'. The methyl substituent off of the ethyl substituent is not numbered in the drawing. To name the compound, put the whole branched substituent name in parentheses and then number and alphabetize as if a simple substituent. == Common system == Some prefixes from the common system are accepted in the IUPAC system. For alphabetization purposes, '''iso-''' and '''neo-''' are considered part of the name, and alphabetized. '''Sec-''' and '''tert-''' are not considered an alphabetizable part of the name. (In the following images, the '''R-''' represents any carbon structure.) === Iso- === '''Iso-''' can be used for substituents that branch at the second-to-last carbon and end with two methyls. An isobutyl has four carbons total: [[Image:Isobutyl.png]] ''Isobutyl'' === Sec- === [[Image:Sec-.png]] '''Sec-''' can be used for substituents that branch at the first carbon . === Neo- === '''Neo-''' refers to a substituent whose second-to-last carbon of the chain is trisubstituted (has three methyl groups attached to it). A neo-pentyl has five carbons total. [[Image:Neopentyl.png]] ''Neopentyl'' === Tert- === [[Image:Tert-.png]] '''Tert-''' is short for '''tertiary''' and refers to a substituent whose first carbon has three other carbon groups attached to it. =See also= #[[Organic Chemistry/Alkanes/Cycloalkanes|Cycloalkanes]] {{stage short|100%|Jan 12, 2005}} ---- <noinclude> [[Image:Go To Organic Chemistry Contents .png]] || [[Organic Chemistry/Foundational concepts of organic chemistry|<< Foundational concepts]] | Alkanes | [[Organic Chemistry/Stereochemistry|Stereochemistry >>]] </noinclude> {{BookCat}} [[pl:Chemia_organiczna/Alkany]] 6e3yes5q02ar4lbsptjvs59bojakczp 4 385 4639436 4639262 2026-06-08T21:22:17Z Omphalographer 3427146 /* The Encyclopaedia for Everything */ Reply 4639436 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFD}} {{Requests for deletion/New deletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Deletion intro}} <!-- New deletion nominations go at the bottom of page. --> == [[Salute, Jonathan!]] and its translations == <div style="column-count: 7;"> * [[Salute, Jonathan!|Interlingue/Occidental]] ([[w:en:Occidental|w]], original) * [[Òla, Ionatà!|Audià]] * [[Holo, Jonathan!|Cristianés]] * [[Terve, Jonathan!|Ekumenski]] * [[Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)|Germanisch]] * [[Salom, Jonatan!|Globasa]] * [[Àlŏ, Jonathan!|Guosa]] ([[w:en:Guosa|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan!|Idiom Neutral]] ([[w:en:Idiom Neutral|w]]) * [[Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)|Ido]] ([[w:en:Ido|w]]) * [[Hallo, Jonathan!|Interlingua]] ([[w:en:Interlingua|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)|Interocidental]] * [[Bune Ğonatan!|Lingaust]] * [[Oila, Jonatan!|Lingue Simple]] * [[Haloo, Jonatan!|Lingwa de Planeta]] ([[w:en:Lingwa de Planeta|w]]) * [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!|Masa Tang]] * [[Salut, ionatano!|Meteza]] * [[Salu, Jon!|Mini]] * [[Hay, Jonathan!|Mirad]] * [[Hai, Jon!|Monav]] * [[Sesan Jon!|Monkel]] * [[Salam, Jonathan!|Mundeze]] * [[Dag, Jonathan!|Negerhollands]] ([[w:en:Negerhollands|w]]) * [[Salut Jonathan!|Neo]] ([[w:en:Neo|w]]) * [[Hej, Jonathan!|Nordien]] * [[Saluto, Jonathan!|Novial]] ([[w:en:Novial|w]]) * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)|Novlingue]] * [[Alo, Jonathan!|Numo]] * [[Hela, Jonathan!|Proyo]] * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)|Romanica]] ([[w:en:Romanica|w]]) * [[Simi, Jonathan!|Solresol]] ([[w:en:Solresol|w]]) * [[Toki a, jan Jonatan!|Toki Pona]] ([[w:en:Toki Pona|w]]) * [[Glidis, o Jonathan!|Volapük]] ([[w:en:Volapük|w]]) </div> There are a couple of issues here: # Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks. # All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself. # Most of the translations (i.e. other than [[Salute, Jonathan!]] itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them. While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15. :If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine : How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :: Hi @[[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]]! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::: Hi! Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias. ::: So the idea is the following: :::# Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest. :::# The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua). :::# For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere). :::# The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo. ::: Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. ::: Edit: [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Salute,_Jonathan!/Grammar_(pronouns) this page] I just added. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :::: Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions: ::::* Is the original [[Salute, Jonathan!]] (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks. ::::* For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time. ::::* For your point 4, I have no problem with that. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::::: Hello again, it's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes]] [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :::::: [[File:Yes_check.svg|{{#ifeq:|small|8|15}}px|link=|alt=]] {{#ifeq:|small|<small>|}}'''Done'''{{#ifeq:|small|</small>|}} — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::::: Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained. ::::::: The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere. ::::::: (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course) — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::: Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::: Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content. ::::::::: For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC) : {{keep}} the translations for languages that have an article on the English Wikipedia, i.e. Guosa, Idiom Neutral, Ido, Interlingua, Lingwa de Planeta, Negerhollands, Neo, Novial, Occidental, Romanica, Solresol, Toki Pona, and Volapük. : Translations for languages that don't have an article can be kept if they have reliable sources, which I was able to find for the following languages (if you think they are not reliable, please let me know): :* Globasa: [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-globasa/en/globasa/] [https://greyson.conlang.org/2020/01/29/shouting-out-globasa-and-pandunia/] :* Mini: [https://jprogr.github.io/mini] [https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/mini.htm] [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-mini/en/mini/] : {{del}} and move to [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] the rest of the translations, i.e. Audià/Audian, Cristianés, Ekumenski, Germanisch, Interocidental, Lingaust, Lingue Simple, Masa Tang, Mirad, Monav, Monkel, Mundeze, Nordien, Novlingue, Numo, Proyo, and Scuian/Meteza. If you can find reliable sources for those languages, please let me know. : In particular, I could not find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav after searching through 15 and 17 pages on Google, respectively. It doesn't help that [[Òla, Ionatà!|their]] [[Hai, Jon!|translations]] don't explain what those languages are and where to find resources for them. This makes contributing to those translations almost impossible until @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] can provide resources to us. It's possible that the resources may have disappared from the Internet, or that those languages were created by Caro de Segeda him/herself. If you can find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav, please let me know. : I'm notifying the primary contributors of the translations: @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], @[[User:Frzzl|Frzzl]], @[[User:Greatscotteh|Greatscotteh]], @[[User:IHateNumbers234|IHateNumbers234]], @[[User:Jayeless2|Jayeless2]], @[[User:Morozof|Morozof]], @[[User:Omnihom|Omnihom]], @[[User:Omoutuazn|Omoutuazn]], @[[User:PovriNaivon|PovriNaivon]], @[[User:Sir Beluga|Sir Beluga]] and @[[User:Tyoyafud|Tyoyafud]]. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 09:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC) :: Caro de Segeda said on [https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/1lcnz9g/comment/n0sc3wx/ Reddit] that Monav was created by him/her and that he/she didn't publish any resources about it other than [[Hai, Jon!]]. With '''zero''' other resources to rely on for contributing to the translation, and the fact that Monav is in [[User:Mithridates/SJ]], [[Hai, Jon!]] should be speedy deleted. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 01:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC) ::: I've undone the speedy deletion as Caro de Segeda posted a [https://prexins.wordpress.com/2025/07/04/monav/ resource] for Monav. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 07:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC) :::: You can delete all the ones that I have created myself, I have already moved them to other places. — [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Caro de Segeda|contribs]]) 12:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}I don't know if this is helpful since it wouldn't apply to most of these, but [[s:mul:]] could hold some of these. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 09:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC) : I don't think that would be within the scope of that project. I'm not aware of any other situation where Wikisource publishes translations of texts created on Wikimedia projects - that's usually left up to other language editions of the same project. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :: In this situation there isn't a separate [[s:ie:]] distinct from Multilingual Wikisource (see [[meta:Wikisource#List of Wikisources]]). In fact, there are very few multilingual wikis in the Wikimedia sphere; while this project ''could'' move to a Miraheze-hosted or similar wiki farm location, I think it would be a missed opportunity. I suppose an [[Interlingue]] book could be started in [[shelf:Constructed languages]] which would have all 100 chapters as an appendix (and likewise for the other languages), but that also seems non-ideal since it requires an English-language text that doesn't currently exist to be created. [[WB:AT]] seems to describe a similar situation to this one and prescribe Wikisource as the solution, and [[WB:SOURCE]] mentions fiction as out-of-scope for Wikibooks (even as in this case, language-educational fiction). [[s:mul:Wikisource:about Wikisource]] simply speaks of source texts and doesn't mention publication requirements, so maybe that is specific to some of the monolingual editions? — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 22:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} 100% keep. These books are a core part of language textbooks on Wikibooks and have been for years. Not sure why this is even being debated.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:55, 16 May 2026 (UTC) ::With all due respect, some of the books included in this nomination (like [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]) are written in constructed languages which are not substantially attested anywhere else. I struggle to imagine any educational purpose for such a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:12, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == [[International Baccalaureate]] == Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC) : Could this be salvaged as a shelf? [[User:Pppery|Pppery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pppery|contribs]]) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC) ::Probably, but are the linked books even useful? IB exams change from year to year - sometimes quite dramatically - so an old exam guide is of very limited value. Many of these books were written 10-15 years ago, and some of them (like [[IB French]]) even have comments indicating that they're no longer applicable. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC) == [[Character List for Baxter&Sagart]] == Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :Adding [[Character List for Karlgren's GSR]] and [[Character List for Schuessler's CGSR]] for the same reason —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]], and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see [[WB:DICT]]), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at [[Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers|Wiktionary]] or [[Wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]]? Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC) :::The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary. :::Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. [[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::I concur. I'm just an undergrad who tries to learn about Sino-Tibetan historical linguistics in his free time but I've found this wikibook to be incredibly useful, and I keep it open in one tab while I watch Professor Nathan Hill's lectures that he uploads to youtube in another tab, and another tab for taking notes. In fact if I remember correctly Professor Hill actually pointed his students to this wikibook. ::I'm not familiar with [[wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]] but if all the content were as accessible there as it is here then I think that could work. [[User:ChromeBones|ChromeBones]] ([[User talk:ChromeBones|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChromeBones|contribs]]) 02:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC) :Per [[:v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?]], I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC) == [[Suomen kieli käyttöön]] == Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) :I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But [[:fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop]] indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only {{u|Anr}} and {{u|Zache}} have made edits this ''year''. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ::It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled ''"Using the Finnish Language"'' or ''"Put Finnish Language into Use"'' for a direct translation. [[User:Zache|Zache]] ([[User talk:Zache|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zache|contribs]]) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) == [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] == * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration]] An ''extremely'' outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC) :I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: See the newly developed [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) :::Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest. :::Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ::::I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the [[Wikibooks talk:Outdated books|talk page of the draft policy]]! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC) == Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials == I personally believe that [[Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials|this]], and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :'''Split''': Deletion here is not the best solution (see [[w:WP:ATD]]). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely [[Abstract Algebra]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} since there is a good amount of content. If [[Abstract Algebra]] is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC) ::Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC) == [[Puredyne]] == Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]), or should it just be deleted? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC) :I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through [[:Category:Allbooks categories]]. [[User:MediaKyle|MediaKyle]] ([[User talk:MediaKyle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaKyle|contribs]]) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Qr-twwp]] == This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{tlx|Copypaste}}. The {{tlx|Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{tlx|Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full [[:Category:Queried pages]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Ghouls of the Miskatonic]] == I don't think that a plot summary of a book is in-scope here. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :{{vd}} - at least, not a summary of ''this'' book. A summary and/or study guide to a notable work of literature might be in scope, but this is certainly not one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC) ::Hi. I am the creator of the pages of this book. If I understand correctly, it has to be a summary of a notable work of literature? So what exactly is defined as such? I only started this as I thought it would be fun, interesting and encouraging to others who read the Arkham Horror novels, and I thought it was permitted as I've seen other summaries of books on wikibooks. [[User:Dayne90|Dayne90]] ([[User talk:Dayne90|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dayne90|contribs]]) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC) :::Your problem is it is just the plot... it needs to include an educational textual analysis to be in scope [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC) ::::And ideally it'd be a text which has ''already'' been the subject of literary analysis, such that the analysis on Wikibooks isn't original research. A notable work of literature like ''Frankenstein'' or ''Moby-Dick'' would easily meet that requirement; a tie-in novel for a tabletop RPG probably does not. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Deleted page]] == Per [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals#Retiring Template:Deleted page]], this is because the template is unnecessary given that creation protection (salting) is used instead. I am also proposing the deletion of the following categories used by this template: * [[:Category:Protected deleted categories]] * [[:Category:Protected deleted pages]] Thanks. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:36, 29 January 2026 (UTC) :This seems premature - [[:Category:Protected deleted pages]] is still in use for pages with generic names. Is there a plan to transition those pages to create protection; if so, can that be implemented before deleting the templates/categories? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:28, 30 January 2026 (UTC) ::JJPMaster proposed that the pages listed in that category should be moved to the [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist|title blacklist]], and that {{tlx|naming policy notice}} shall be fully protected and used as an interface (title blacklist) message. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:18, 30 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]]: Have you seen this reply? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 15:28, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I have, but I'm not sure I follow. These templates, and the categories which they populate, are currently in use. Once that's no longer the case, I have no objection to deleting them - but they need to be delinked first. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::::I deleted the categories mentioned above, moved all the generic titles to the title blacklist, and for those pages that used {{tlx|Deleted page}}, I deleted then applied creation protection. An uninvolved admin can delete {{tlx|Deleted page}} and then close this request. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC) == [[Cereal Grains Through History]] == Abandoned with no meaningful content —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: The author (Karosent) objects to the deletion per their talk page: {{quote|:Yes, please do not delete this wiki book. It is a work in progress. It is just taking some time to make progress on it. Thank you.}} :{{courtesy ping}} to @[[User:Karosent|Karosent]] as the author of the book for their input. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:42, 30 March 2026 (UTC) ::If the user does intend to work on it, I think the best course of action would be moving it to user space until more progress is made. Having abandoned works around the main space is a bit messy. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:28, 28 April 2026 (UTC) ::: {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Karosent|Karosent]] again. Do you agree with the pages being moved to your userspace? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:23, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Topical/Publications/Wireless Weekly/Issues/1928 03 23]] == Transcribed from a magazine copy that cannot be traced via the URL provided. Generally archival of primary source works is undertaken on Wikisource (not Wikibooks), backed by a suitable page scan. This isn't at present. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ShakespeareFan00|contribs]]) 16:32, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :This doesn't need an RfD since it is obviously out of scope. You can instead put a CSD tag on the page. Additionally, it seems that the entire /Publications section contains only source works here, so it might require a mass deletion. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 17:32, 27 April 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] looping you in here so you're aware. I don't think any pages like this (i.e. source text) can be kept here, since we are explicitly and unambiguously not a text repository per [[WB:SOURCE]]. I am inclined to speedily delete for that reason, but I want to hear from the primary editor. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:40, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for looping me in. :::This is not simply a transcription of the magazine. :::It includes new formatting to make the content better reachable. :::It includes commentary to place the transcribed material in context. :::It permits related material to be placed in chronological order. :::The version here is not complete (as per banner included), hence the URL link not working (National Library of Australia's Trove has been updated). :::There is no point in placing this material on Wikisource as the Trove website is functionally similar and now provides for text correction (a fairly recent development). :::I have not be editing Wikibooks for the last six month's following a personal matter but now slowly returning to the task. :::[[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] ([[User talk:Samuel.dellit|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samuel.dellit|contribs]]) 19:08, 27 April 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm still not sure whether this makes it in-scope at Wikibooks and suitable for the book-like scope of this work, so I'm looping in other admins to weigh in on scope and consensus @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] @[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]]. For material that is planned but not yet enacted after a significant period, I'm wondering if user space is more suitable than main space. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:48, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::This is just one page of a book, right? It's not like the entire wikibook is a transcription. I'm inclined to keep it unless there is something I am missing. "For material that is planned but not yet enacted after a significant period" - that's a draft and can generally stay in article space. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 05:09, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::My thoughts are similar to Leaderboard's. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 05:47, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] Thank you, and good to know. Unless I am misunderstanding, the plan is actually to host many source texts in this book's namespace (see other subpages in [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Topical/Publications]]) and not limited to this one page. Additionally, do we have anything in policy regarding how long drafts can stay in mainspace? I couldn't find anything, and it strikes me as unconstructive to the project if pages with significant issues (e.g. scope, quality, etc) are left in the mainspace for months to years. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 19:15, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] Thank you for your considered responses, the following is provided as background summary. :::::::(1) I should mention that all of these pages were speedily deleted six months ago on the basis of breach of copyright, despite the fact that they are in the public domain (yes I was remiss in not making this clear in the relevant discussion pages, and yes I was aware of the need for copyright explanation, but was overly focussed on content creation). I was hit by about 20 simultaneous speedily delete notifications, responded to 2 or 3 thinking that would be sufficient, but later found they had all been deleted (I was not active on Wikibooks at the time). My intention is to provide clear public domain information for each page in the coming months, but I am only one person and need time to give effect. Copyright worldwide is quite complex. :::::::(2) I was hit by this RfD about 2 weeks ago, nominally a single subpage, but with the threat of dozens of subpages being similarly treated. This time the basis of the RfD was breach of the "Not a text repository" policy, of which I was not previously aware. I see in the policy that there is a clear exception for annotated texts and I will further develop content in support of that exception (you will see that is my general practice in any event). There are literally hundreds of articles in this Wikibook already heavily annotated, simply on the basis of good authorship e.g. :::::::https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Biographies/Clement_Edgar_Ames/Notes :::::::https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/History_of_wireless_telegraphy_and_broadcasting_in_Australia/Topical/Stations/7BU_Burnie/Notes :::::::But, again, I am only one person and need time to give effect. [[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] ([[User talk:Samuel.dellit|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samuel.dellit|contribs]]) 19:59, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] As far as I can see, isn't the goal to annotate most of those pages? And there is no set limit for a draft. The main reason we'd delete a draft is if the book ''itself'' has nothing of value, which is not the case here. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 04:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Got it, thank you! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:06, 6 May 2026 (UTC) : As an admin who was involved in deleting this (and related subpages) and ''only'' undeleting it later per the author's request, I therefore '''recuse''' (will not do) on taking any administrative actions for this request. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:33, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - including other similar pages - per nom. Transcriptions of previously published works, like these magazines, belong on Wikisource. I don't see any evidence of substantial commentary in any of the pages I've looked at. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 17:47, 28 April 2026 (UTC) ::Additionally, I'd note that creating content like [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Editing/Fair dealing]] or [[History of wireless telegraphy and broadcasting in Australia/Editing/Not a text repository]] is not helpful. This sort of argumentative content clearly does not belong in a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:14, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}} - including other similar pages - annotated texts WB:AT are a clear exception to Wikibooks "Not a text repository" policy; these are subpages of a very large body of work (I understand the largest Wikibook in Wikibooks) and integral to its overall development; yes, the pages are a work in progress and the annotations are as yet limited, but I will now prioritise their development[[User:Samuel.dellit|Samuel.dellit]] ([[User talk:Samuel.dellit|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samuel.dellit|contribs]]) 19:28, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}}. Annotated texts are an exception and while there can be a debate about how much annotation is enough, at the moment I think we should accept the primary editor's position in respect of their intent. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 13:58, 5 May 2026 (UTC) : {{keep}} per above. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:07, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == [[History Books]] == Minimal existing content is editorialized, book scope unclear, no sourcing —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:47, 27 April 2026 (UTC) :{{comment}} - there is one unlinked subpage of this book, [[History Books/Who Was Alexander the Great/Introduction]]. I'm not impressed by the content (it's basically historical fiction written for a young child), but it's not hopeless. I'd encourage the author to create an account to allow us to communicate with them. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:34, 28 April 2026 (UTC) ::If it is really aimed at children, shouldn't it be moved to the Wikijunior: namespace? [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 18:55, 28 April 2026 (UTC) == [[FORTRAN program for calculating representative parameters and operating conditions of AC overhead transmission lines]] == As the title suggests, this page is primarily code for a computer program, not a book. Wikibooks is not a code hosting web site; this code might be more appropriate as a repository on a code hosting site such as Codeberg or GitHub. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:30, 28 April 2026 (UTC) :{{Del}}, the book seems to be out of scope in its current state, especially considering that most of it is just code and it has no subpages. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 28 April 2026 (UTC) :I agree that this is not a book in its current form. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:26, 28 April 2026 (UTC) ::I have started the creation of this book and I request an additional time before deleting it. Since I started, some time has passed in which I have not been able to continue adding information, but I intend to add information on the way in which the different parameters of the overhead power lines are calculated, the electric and magnetic fields created by them, their operating regimes and the possible problems of overvoltage due to resonance phenomena in some cases. It was intended to show some of these questions with the calculations made with the program. ::If you give me an additional time to introduce more information later you can decide if that information is sufficient or not to keep the book. I have the problem that (as can be seen in this writing) my English is not good enough to introduce directly into the book what I am writing and I have to reredact everything using some artificial intelligence program; this delays the process much. Still I request a little more time to be able to show that the information introduced is of value. ::Thank you very much for your understanding. [[User:Jon Peli Oleaga|Jon Peli Oleaga]] ([[User talk:Jon Peli Oleaga|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jon Peli Oleaga|contribs]]) 13:29, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::: @[[User:Jon Peli Oleaga|Jon Peli Oleaga]] I can move that book to your userspace, if requested. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:57, 19 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you so much for the offer. ::::I know the book still needs a lot of improvement and that I'm working on it very slowly; but the problem is, strange as it may seem, I know how to edit a public book but I don't know how to work in my userspace, nor what I should do when the book is more finished to make it public. ::::In any case, if it's better to move the book to my userspace while it's still unfinished, then move it there and I'll try to work on it without the pressure of thinking it could be deleted at any moment. ::::Thanks again for the offer. [[User:Jon Peli Oleaga|Jon Peli Oleaga]] ([[User talk:Jon Peli Oleaga|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jon Peli Oleaga|contribs]]) 22:47, 31 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Objective Projection: Why the Brain Never Forgets Some Stories]] == Undisclosed AI-generated content. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:13, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :<nowiki>'''Keep'''</nowiki> — Comment from page author/subject expert. :I am Levent Bulut, the originator of the <nowiki>''</nowiki>Objective Projection<nowiki>''</nowiki> methodology described in this book (ORCID: 0009-0007-7500-2261, Wikidata: Q138048287). I want to address the AI-generated content concern directly and transparently. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On the content itself:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> The methodology, theoretical framework (the six-variable operator E(r) = projS(M, T, V, Δ, Ω, Ng), the Six Golden Rules, the Six-Layer Framework), and all original arguments are my own intellectual work, developed and published independently. This is documented through: :* 26 DOI-registered academic publications on Zenodo (search: "Levent Bulut Objective Projection") :* A peer-reviewed submission currently under review at <nowiki>''</nowiki>Digital Humanities Quarterly<nowiki>''</nowiki> :* Parallel Turkish-language Wikibook and Wikiversity pages on the same methodology :* An open-source SFT dataset on Hugging Face (leventbulut/objective-projection) :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On AI assistance:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I used AI tools (Claude) for English translation polish and copy-editing from my Turkish source materials — the same way a non-native English-speaking academic would use a human translator or editor. The <nowiki>''</nowiki>ideas, structure, terminology, citations, and arguments<nowiki>''</nowiki> are entirely my own and pre-date the Wikibooks version, traceable through Zenodo DOI timestamps starting in 2025. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>Proposed remedy instead of deletion:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I am happy to: :# Add a clear AI-assistance disclosure to the book's preface, per Wikibooks transparency norms :# Add inline citations to the underlying DOI-registered publications for every major claim :# Link to the parallel Turkish version and academic record :This would address the <nowiki>''</nowiki>undisclosed<nowiki>''</nowiki> part of the concern (which is the actionable policy issue) while preserving content that is original academic work by an identifiable author with a published track record. Deletion of original scholarship because translation assistance was used would set a concerning precedent for non-native English contributors. :<nowiki>I request a few days to add the disclosure and citations before any deletion action. ~~~~</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Administrative assistance needed: Automated filters blocking structural improvements and disclosures ::'''Request for Help''' — I am Levent Bulut, the author of this book. I have already provided my AI disclosure and academic credentials (ORCID, DOI list) here in this discussion. ::I am trying to update the book to comply with Wikibooks standards by: ::Adding a formal '''AI assistance disclosure''' at the top of the page. ::Restructuring the content into an '''instructional textbook format''' (adding Learning Objectives). ::Converting plain text formulas into '''LaTeX''' ( format). ::Updating references to include full academic '''DOI''' records. ::However, the automated filter is blocking all my attempts: ::If I try to replace the content with the improved version, it triggers the '''"large amount of content removal"''' filter. ::If I try to add specific academic links, it triggers the '''"automated link/spam"''' filter. ::I am essentially trapped by the filters while trying to improve the book and follow transparency norms. Could an administrator please either whitelist my account or manually apply the improved version of the text? I am ready to provide the full MediaWiki code here if requested. My intent is purely constructive and academic. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 19:15, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Hi, @[[User:~2026-28847-60|~2026-28847-60]]. Your account was incorrectly locked by a steward. It is now currently unlocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Please review [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence]]. It states unequivocally that {{tq|LLMs may not be used to generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks}}, and that {{tq|translations made by LLMs are not allowed on Wikibooks}}. The fact that you did not disclose your usage of AI is part of the problem, but disclosing it does not make it allowable either. ::More broadly, based on what you've said above, the content of this book is a reflection of your personal theories on writing. This is essentially [[Wikibooks:Original research]] and is not permitted. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:36, 13 May 2026 (UTC) == [[The Encyclopaedia for Everything]] == We are explicitly not an encyclopedia per [[WB:WIW]]. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:53, 7 June 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - we already have one of those; it's called Wikipedia. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:22, 8 June 2026 (UTC) 1jyco0e08wm6omwp6le6mkj44pgg9tj 0 1485 4639360 4447529 2026-06-08T17:35:25Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639360 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Alkenes== [[w:Alkenes|Alkenes]] are organic molecules that contain at least one carbon-carbon double bond, which is referred to as '''unsaturation'''. Saturation is when all of the carbons have all single bonds. If the double bonds are just next to each other, they are called cummulated dienes. If there is only one C-C bond between two double bonds, it is called a conjugated diene. If more than one single bond intervenes it is an isolated diene. [[Image:Pi-bonding.png]] The double bonds in alkenes are higher in energy than single bonds and are more reactive. Molecules will favor single bonds over double or triple ones when given a chance. '''Bond dissociation energy''' is the energy needed to break a bond. {| BORDER |- | COLSPAN="2" style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|Bond dissociation energy |- | C-C &rarr; C&deg; + C&deg; || ≈ 85 kcal/mole |- | C=C &rarr; C&deg; + C&deg; || ≈ 145 kcal/mole |} [[w:Ethene|Ethene]] is the smallest, simplest alkene. It is planar and the angle between its bonds is approximately 120&deg;. [[Image:Ethene-2D-flat.png|150px]] The C-H bonds are stronger in ethene than in ethane because the &pi; bond draws electron density away from the carbon, which draws electron density away from the hydrogens. This makes ethene unreactive and gives the carbons sp² character, which is more s-like and lower in energy. {| BORDER |- | COLSPAN="3" style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|Gallery of alkenes |- | || style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|IUPAC | style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|common names |- | CH₂=CH₂ || ethene | ethylene |- | CH₃CH=CH₂ || propene | propylene |- | CH₂=CH₂CH₂CH₃ | 1-Butene || 1-Butylene |- | CH₃CH=CHCH₃ || 2-Butene | 2-Butylene |- | CH₂=C(CH₃)₂ | 2-Methylpropene || Isobutene |- | || Cyclobutene || |- | || 3-Methylcyclopropene || |} ==IUPAC alkene nomenclature== #find the longest chain of carbons containing both carbons of the double bond #number this chain left to right and right to left and choose the method that gives the double bond the lowest numbers #using the smallest of the two numbers identifying the double bond as prefix, followed by a hyphen without spaces, name the chain as for an alkane changing the -ane to -ene Then follow the rest of the rules for naming halogenoalkanes ==Alkenols== '''Alkenols''' are compounds containing both a '''double bond''' and an '''OH group.''' To name, find the longest carbon chain that contains both the C=C and the OH^-. The OH group gets the higher priority (lower number). Oxygen takes precedence over carbon. {| BORDER |- | CH₂=CH₂CH-OH || 2-Propen-1-ol ''or'' Prop-2-en-1-ol |} (IUPAC name) The "2" refers to the double bond and can go at the beginning of the name or right before the "en". ===Gallery of alkenols=== {| BORDER |- | <b></b>&nbsp; || style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|IUPAC |- | || 2-Cyclohexen-1,4-diol |- | || 4-Cyclohexen-1,3-diol |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #FFF7F7; border: solid 1px #FFBDBD; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | <H2>Naming alkane and alkene substituents</H2> '''Alkyl''' means a saturated substituent (all single bonds). '''Alkenyl''' means an unsaturated substituent ('''en''' indicates a double bond). |} {| BORDER |- | ||style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|IUPAC name |style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|Common name |- | || (1-Methylcyclohexyl)ethene || |- | || 1-Ethenylcyclohexanol || 1-Vinylcyclohexanol |- | (a cyclopropane diol) || 1-(1-Propenyl)-1,2-cyclopropanediol | |- | || 1-(2-Propenyl)-1,2-cyclopropanediol | style="text-align:center;"|1-Allyl-1,2-cyclopropanediol |- | COLSPAN="3" style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|Naming alkenes with multiple double bonds |- | CH₂=C=CH₂ || Propacanadienne | Allene |- | CH₂=C=CH-CH₃ || 1,2-Butadiene | |- | CH₂=CH-CH=CH₂ || 1,3-Butadiene | |- | || 1,3-Cyclopentadiene || |- | || 1,3,5-Hexatriene || |- | || 3-Methylene-1,4-pendadiene || |} ==Preparation of alkenes, or how to make double bonds.== {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | R-H + X₂ + (heat or light) &rarr; R-X |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | R-X + H₂O (by S_N1 or S_N2) &rarr; R-OH |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₃CH₂Br &rarr; H₂C=CH₂ + HBr |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₃CH₂-OH &rarr; CH₂=CH₂ + H₂O |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₃CH₂Br &rarr; CH₂=CH₂ |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | H₂C-CH₂Br + (strong base) + &Delta; &rarr; CH₂=CH₂ (one step) (&Delta; &equiv; heat) |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #FFF7F7; border: solid 1px #FFBDBD; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | <H2>What is "&Delta;"?</H2> '''&Delta;''' is the capital Greek letter "Delta" and is used in science to indicate a change in something. It is used as a shorthand in organic chemistry and in this book to indicate a change in heating conditions, that is, the addition of heat. |} {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #D6D6FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | <H2>Rate equation</H2> Rate = K₂[CH₃CH₂Br][base] |} 1&deg;, 2&deg;, 3&deg; all work for E₂ reactions (remember that the methyl group doesnt have a second carbon for an elimination to function). (pictures) ==E1 reactions== Elimination reactions are one way to produce alkenes. Learn more about them [[Organic Chemistry/Alkenes#Elimination_Reactions|here]]. ==Elimination vs Substitution ?== There are ways to predict if a reaction will follow an elimination or a substitution mechanism or pathway. {| BORDER |- | style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|Elimination | style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold;"|Substitution |- | High temperature (the biggest factor) | Low temperature |- | Strong base | Good nucleophile (bulkiness interferes with nucleophilicity) |} <p>Tertiary halides favor E1, S_N1.</p> ==Reactions of alkenes== ===Bromine=== Electrophilic addition reaction between Bromine and Ethene gas: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₂=CH₂ + Br₂ &rarr; CH₂BrCH₂Br |} ===Complete Combustion=== Like other hydrocarbons alkenes will combust in excess air or oxygen provided that there is sufficient activation energy for the combustion reaction. The following reaction is the complete combustion of ethene with oxygen: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₂=CH₂ + 3O₂ &rarr; 2CO₂ + 2H₂O |} ===Hydrogen Bromide=== Electrophilic addition reaction between concentrated Hydrogen Bromide and Ethene gas: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₂=CH₂ + HBr &rarr; CH₃CH₂Br |} The general formula for the reaction of any alkene with HBr is: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | RCH=CHR' + HBr &rarr; RCH₂-CHR'Br |} For asymmetrical alkenes such as But-1-ene the following reaction is also feasible: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | RCH=CHR' + HBr &rarr; RCHBr-CH₂R' |} Where R and R' are alkyl groups e.g. CH₃ or CH₃CH₂ ===Sulphuric Acid=== Electrophilic addition reaction between cold concentrated Sulphuric Acid and Ethene gas: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₂=CH₂ + H₂SO₄ &rarr; CH₃CH₃SO₃H |} Ethyl Hydrogensulphate is hydrolysed if warmed with water: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₃CH₃SO₃H + H₂O &rarr; CH₃CH₂OH + H₂SO₄ |} Overall reaction for the two steps: {| WIDTH="75%" |- | style="background-color: #F3F3FF; border: solid 1px #E7E7FF; padding: 1em;" valign="top" | CH₂=CH₂ + H₂O &rarr; CH₃CH₂OH |} ---- [[Organic Chemistry/Alcohols|<< Alcohols]] | Alkenes | [[Organic Chemistry/Alkynes|Alkynes >>]] {{BookCat}} 14r8tti8xfnlgnlzrklilp413rfsayz 0 3083 4639361 4412816 2026-06-08T17:36:38Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639361 wikitext text/x-wiki {{center/top}} {| CELLPADDING="10" |style="text-align:center;"|[[Image:Flag of Finland.svg|175px|border|Flag of Finland]]<br><small>''Suomi''</small> | <big><big>Finnish ~ English</big></big><br /> <big>Learning the Finnish Language</big> <big>[[Finnish|Go to Contents]] >>></big> |} [[Image:Ev17612 Scandinavia.A2002149.0945.250mFINLANDONLY.jpg|247px|Finland in summer.]] [[Image:Ev24856 Scandinavia.A2003050.1025.250mFINLANDONLY.jpg|200px|Finland in winter.]] <!--[[Image:Central Helsinki from plane.jpg|375px|View of Central Helsinki from the air]]<br> <small>'''Kuva: Helsingin keskusta''' ''Image:Helsinki''</small>--> {{center/end}} == See also == [[Finnish/Dialogues|Finnish dialogues]] [[Suomen kieli ulkomaalaisille|Finnish Language for Foreigners (English Translation)]] [[Suomen kieli käyttöön|Finnish Language in Use (English Translation)]] Wikipedia articles about the [[w:en:Finnish language|Finnish language]] and the [[w:en:Finnish language grammar|Finnish grammar]]. 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typical 1st conjugation verb *[[wiktionary:añadir|Añadir]] (to add) *[[wiktionary:andar|Andar]] (to walk, to go, to ride) *[[wiktionary:aparecer|Aparecer]] (to appear) *[[wiktionary:apagar|Apagar]] (to turn off) *[[wiktionary:aplanar|Aplanar]] (to throw out) *[[wiktionary:aplastar|Aplastar]] (to flatten) *[[wiktionary:aprender|Aprender]] (to learn) *[[wiktionary:aprobar|Aprobar]] (to approve, to pass) *[[wiktionary:arrastrarse|Arrastrarse]] (to crawl, to drag oneself) ''ref.'' *[[wiktionary:arreglar|Arreglar]] (to fix) *[[wiktionary:atacar|Atacar]] (to attack) *[[wiktionary:asistir|Asistir]] (to attend) *[[wiktionary:asustar|Asustar]] (to frighten) *[[wiktionary:aumentar|Aumentar]] (to increase) *[[wiktionary:ayudar|Ayudar]] (to help) ==B== *[[Wiktionary:Bailar|Bailar]] (to dance) *[[Wiktionary:Bañarse|Bañarse]] (to bathe) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Barrer|Barrer]] (to sweep) *[[Wiktionary:Batir|Batir]] (to whisk) *[[Wiktionary:Beber|Beber]] (to drink) *[[Wiktionary:Besar|Besar]] (to kiss) *[[Wiktionary:Borrar|Borrar]] (to erase) *[[Wiktionary:Bromear|Bromear]] (to joke) *[[Wiktionary:Bucear|Bucear]] (to dive) *[[Wiktionary:Burlarse|Burlarse]] (to make fun of) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Buscar|Buscar]] (to look for) ==C== *[[Wiktionary:Calentar|Calentar]] (to heat) *[[Wiktionary:Calificar|Calificar]] (to grade) *[[Wiktionary:Caminar|Caminar]] (to walk) *[[Wiktionary:Cansarse|Cansarse]] (to tire) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Cantar|Cantar]] (to sing) *[[Wiktionary:Casarse|Casarse]] (to marry) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Cazar|Cazar]] (to hunt) *[[Wiktionary:Celebrar|Celebrar]] (to celebrate) *[[Wiktionary:Cenar|Cenar]] (to dine, to have supper) *[[Wiktionary:Cepillar|Cepillar(se)]] (to brush) can be ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Cerrar|Cerrar]] (to close) *[[Wiktionary:Charlar|Charlar]] (to chat) *[[Wiktionary:Chupar|Chupar]] (to suck) *[[Wiktionary:Cocinar|Cocinar]] (to cook) *[[Wiktionary:Coger|Coger]] (to catch) *[[Wiktionary:Comer|Comer]] (to eat, esp. to eat lunch) *[[Wiktionary:Comprar|Comprar]] (to purchase, to buy) *[[Wiktionary:Comprender|Comprender]] (to comprehend, to understand) *[[Wiktionary:Conducir|Conducir]] (to drive) *[[Wiktionary:Conocer|Conocer]] (to know, to meet) *[[Wiktionary:Contar|Contar]] (to relate) *[[Wiktionary:Contestar|Contestar]] (to answer, to reply) *[[Wiktionary:Correr|Correr]] (to run) *[[Wiktionary:Cortar|Cortar]] (to cut) *[[Wiktionary:Costar|Costar]] (to cost) (ue) *[[Wiktionary:Crear|Crear]] (to create) *[[Wiktionary:Creer|Creer]] (to believe) *[[Wiktionary:Cuajar|Cuajar]] (to curdle) *[[Wiktionary:Cubrir|Cubrir]] (to cover) *[[Wiktionary:Cumplir|Cumplir]] (to fulfill) ==D== *[[Wiktionary:Dar|Dar]] (to give) *[[Wiktionary:Deber|Deber]] (to owe, should) *[[Wiktionary:Decidir|Decidir]] (to decide) *[[Wiktionary:Decir|Decir]] (to say, to tell) *[[Wiktionary:Dejar|Dejar]] (to leave) *[[Wiktionary:Desayunar|Desayunar]] (to eat breakfast) *[[Wiktionary:Descansar|Descansar]] (to rest) *[[Wiktionary:Desear|Desear]] (to desire, to wish) *[[Wiktionary:Deshacer|Deshacer]] (to undo) *[[Wiktionary:Despedir|Despedir]] (to fire) *[[Wiktionary:Despedirse|Despedirse]] (to say goodbye) *[[Wiktionary:Despertarse|Despertarse]] (to wake up) - Irregular: e -> ie *[[Wiktionary:Destruir|Destruir]] (to destroy) *[[Wiktionary:Detener|Detener]] (to stop) *[[Wiktionary:Dirigir|Dirigir]] (to lead, to guide) *[[Wiktionary:Disculparse|Disculparse]] (to excuse oneself) *[[Wiktionary:Discutir|Discutir]] (to argue) *[[Wiktionary:Distinguir|Distinguir]] (to distinguish) *[[Wiktionary:Divertirse|Divertirse]] (to have fun) - Irregular: e -> ie *[[Wiktionary:Doler|Doler]] (to hurt) *[[Wiktionary:Dormir|Dormir]] (to sleep, go to sleep) - Irregular: o &rarr; ue *[[Wiktionary:Duchar|Duchar(se)]] (to shower (oneself)) - Can be ''ref.'' ==E== *[[Wiktionary:Echar|Echar]] (to deal (cards)) *[[Wiktionary:Elegir|Elegir]] (to choose, to elect) *[[Wiktionary:Empeorar|Empeorar]] (to worsen) *[[Wiktionary:Empezar|Empezar]] (to begin) *[[Wiktionary:Empujar|Empujar]] (to push) *[[Wiktionary:Enamorarse|Enamorarse]] (to fall in love) *[[Wiktionary:Encantar|Encantar]] (to be delighted about) - ''gustar-type verb'' *[[Wiktionary:Encender|Encender]] (to light) *[[Wiktionary:Enfermar|Enfermar]] (to get sick) *[[Wiktionary:Enojarse|Enojarse]] (to be angry) *[[Wiktionary:Enseñar|Enseñar]] (to teach) *[[Wiktionary:Entender|Entender]] (to understand) *[[Wiktionary:Entrar|Entrar]] (to enter) *[[Wiktionary:Escuchar|Escuchar]] (to listen) *[[Wiktionary:Escribir|Escribir]] (to write) *[[Wiktionary:Esperar|Esperar]] (to wait, to hope) *[[Wiktionary:Esquiar|Esquiar]] (to ski) *[[Wiktionary:Estar|Estar]] (to be) *[[Wiktionary:Estudiar|Estudiar]] (to study) *[[Wiktionary:Exportar|Exportar]] (to export) ==F== *[[Wiktionary:Fastidiar|Fastidiar]] (to annoy, to tease) *[[Wiktionary:Felicitar|Felicitar]] (to congratulate) *[[Wiktionary:Fingir|Fingir]] (to pretend, to fake) *[[Wiktionary:Firmar|Firmar]] (to sign) *[[Wiktionary:Flipar|Flipar]] (to be crazy about) - ''gustar-type verb'' *[[Wiktionary:Freir|Freir]] (to fry) *[[Wiktionary:Fusilar|Fusilar]] (to execute by firing squad) ==G== *[[Wiktionary:Ganar|Ganar]] (to win, to earn) *[[Wiktionary:Gastar|Gastar]] (to spend, to use up) *[[Wiktionary:Gritar|Gritar]] (to shout) *[[Wiktionary:Guiar|Guiar]] (to lead, to guide) *[[Wiktionary:Gustar|Gustar]] (to be pleasing) ''-equivalent to the english "to like"'' ==H== *[[../Haber/]] (to have [helper verb]) *[[Wiktionary:Hablar|Hablar]] (to talk) *[[Wiktionary:Hacer|Hacer]] (to make, to do) *[[Wiktionary:Hacer|Hacer calor]] (to be hot) *[[Wiktionary:Hallar|Hallar]] (to find) *[[Wiktionary:Helar|Helar]] (to freeze) *[[Wiktionary:Herir|Herir]] (to injure) *[[Wiktionary:Hinchar|Hinchar]] (to anger) *[[Wiktionary:Huir|Huir]] (to flee) *[[Wiktionary:Hundir|Hundir]] (to sink) == I == *[[Wiktionary:Insultar|Insultar]] (to insult) *[[../Ir/]] (to go) *[[Wiktionary:Irse|Irse]] (to go [away]) reflexive verb *[[Wiktionary:Invitar|Invitar]] (to invite) *[[Wiktionary:Injerir|Injerir]] (to inject, insert) ==J== *[[Wiktionary:Jalar|Jalar]] (to pull) *[[Wiktionary:Jugar|Jugar]] (to play) *[[Wiktionary:Jurar|Jurar]] (to swear) *[[Wiktionary:Juzgar|Juzgar]] (to judge) ==L== *[[Wiktionary:Lastimar|Lastimar]] (to hurt emotionally) *[[Wiktionary:Lavar|Lavar]] (to wash) *[[Wiktionary:Leer|Leer]] (to read) *[[Wiktionary:Llegar a ser|Llegar a ser]] (to become) *[[Wiktionary:Levantar|Levantar]] (to raise) *[[Wiktionary:Limpiar|Limpiar]] (to clean) *[[Wiktionary:Llegar|Llegar]] (to arrive) *[[Wiktionary:Llevar|Llevar]] (to bring, to carry) *[[Wiktionary:Llorar|Llorar]] (to cry) *[[../Llover/]] (to rain) *[[Wiktionary:Lograr|Lograr]] (to accomplish) *[[Wiktionary:Luchar|Luchar]] (to fight, to struggle) ==M== *[[Wiktionary:Manejar|Manejar]] (to drive) *[[Wiktionary:Matar|Matar]] (to kill) *[[Wiktionary:Mejorar|Mejorar]] (to get better) *[[Wiktionary:Meter|Meter]] (to place inside) *[[Wiktionary:Mirar|Mirar]] (to look) *[[Wiktionary:Mojar|Mojar]] (to wet) *[[Wiktionary:Molestar|Molestar]] (to annoy, to bother) *[[Wiktionary:Morir|Morir]] (to die) ==N== *[[Wiktionary:Nacer|Nacer]] (to be born) *[[Wiktionary:Nadar|Nadar]] (to swim) *[[Wiktionary:Navegar|Navegar]] (to navigate) *[[Wiktionary:Necesitar|Necesitar]] (to need) *[[Wiktionary:Negar|Negar]] (to deny) *[[Wiktionary:Nevar|Nevar]] (to snow) ==O== *[[Wiktionary:Obtener|Obtener]] (to get, to obtain) *[[Wiktionary:Odiar|Odiar]] (to hate) *[[Wiktionary:Ofrecer|Ofrecer]] (to offer) *[[Wiktionary:Oír|Oír]] (to hear) *[[Wiktionary:Oler|Oler]] (to smell) - Irregular: o -> hue *[[Wiktionary:Olvidar|Olvidar]] (to forget) *[[Wiktionary:Operar|Operar]] (to operate) *[[Wiktionary:Orar|Orar]] (to pray) ==P== *[[Wiktionary:Pagar|Pagar]] (to pay) *[[Wiktionary:Parecer|Parecer]] (to appear) *[[Wiktionary:Parecer|Parecer a]] (to resemble) *[[Wiktionary:Participar|Participar]] (to participate) *[[Wiktionary:Partir|Partir]] (to cut, to leave) - typical 3rd conjugation verb *[[Wiktionary:Pasar|Pasar]] (to pass, to happen) *[[Wiktionary:Pasear|Pasear]] (to ride, to stroll) *[[Wiktionary:Pedir|Pedir]] (to ask for) - Irregular *[[Wiktionary:Peinarse|Peinarse]] (to comb oneself) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Pelear|Pelear]] (to fight) *[[Wiktionary:Pensar|Pensar]] (to think) *[[Wiktionary:Perder|Perder]] (to lose) *[[Wiktionary:Perseguir|Perseguir]] (to chase) *[[Wiktionary:Pintar|Pintar]] (to paint) *[[Wiktionary:Pisar|Pisar]] (to step on) *[[Wiktionary:Planchar|Planchar]] (to iron) *[[Wiktionary:Platicar|Platicar]] (to chat) *[[Wiktionary:Poder|Poder]] (to be able) *[[Wiktionary:Poner|Poner]] (to put, to place, to set)Note: The Yo form of poner is "pongo" *[[Wiktionary:Practicar|Practicar]] (to practice) *[[Wiktionary:Preguntar|Preguntar]] (to ask) *[[Wiktionary:Preparar|Preparar]] (to prepare) *[[Wiktionary:Prestar|Prestar]] (to lend) ==Q== *[[Wiktionary:Quedarse|Quedarse]] (to stay) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Quejarse|Quejarse]] (to complain, to grumble) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Quemar|Quemar]] (to burn) *[[Wiktionary:Querer|Querer]] (to want, to like) - Irregular: e -> ie *[[Wiktionary:Querer|Querer decir]] (to mean, to signify) *[[Wiktionary:Quitar|Quitar]] (to take away) ==R== *[[Wiktionary:Rasurarse|Rasurarse]] (to shave oneself) h8 *[[Wiktionary:Recibir|Recibir]] (to receive) *[[Wiktionary:Reciclar|Reciclar]] (to recycle) *[[Wiktionary:Recordar|Recordar]] (to remember) *[[Wiktionary:Recoger|Recoger]] (to gather, to pick up) *[[wiktionary:Regalar|Regalar]] (to give [as a gift]) *[[Wiktionary:Regresar|Regresar]] (to return) *[[Wiktionary:Reír|Reír]] (to laugh) *[[Wiktionary:Repartir|Repartir]] (to distribute) *[[Wiktionary:Resistir|Resistir]] (to bear) *[[Wiktionary:Rogar|Rogar]] (to pray, to beg) *[[Wiktionary:Romper|Romper]] (to rip, to break) ==S== *[[Wiktionary:Saber|Saber]] (to know) *[[Wiktionary:Sacar|Sacar]] (to take out) *[[Wiktionary:Salir|Salir]] (to leave, to go out) *[[Wiktionary:Saludar|Saludar]] (to greet) *[[Wiktionary:Secar|Secar]] (to dry) *[[Wiktionary:Seguir|Seguir]] (to follow) *[[Wiktionary:Sentarse|Sentarse]] (to sit) *[[Wiktionary:Sentir|Sentir]] (to feel) *[[Wiktionary:Ser|Ser]] (to be) *[[Wiktionary:Significar|Significar]] (to mean, to signify) *[[Wiktionary:Sonar|Sonar]] (to ring) *[[Wiktionary:Sonreír|Sonreír]] (to smile) *[[Wiktionary:Sonrojarse|Sonrojarse]] (to blush) *[[Wiktionary:Soñar|Soñar]] (to dream) *[[Wiktionary:Soportar|Soportar]] (to bear) *[[Wiktionary:Subir|Subir]] (to go up, to get on) ==T== *[[Wiktionary:Temer|Temer]] (to fear) - typical 2nd conjugation verb *[[Wiktionary:Tener|Tener]] (to have, to own)e --> ie except for yo, which is "tengo" *[[Wiktionary:Tener|Tener razón]] (to be right) *[[Wiktionary:Tentar|Tentar]] (to touch) *[[Wiktionary:Terminar|Terminar]] (to finish, to end) *[[Wiktionary:Tirar|Tirar]] (to throw, to shoot) *[[Wiktionary:Tocar|Tocar]] (to touch, to play an instrument) *[[Wiktionary:Tomar|Tomar]] (to take, to drink) *[[Wiktionary:Trabajar|Trabajar]] (to work) *[[Wiktionary:Traducir|Traducir]] (to translate) *[[Wiktionary:Tragar|Tragar(se)]] (to swallow) *[[Wiktionary:Traer|Traer]] (to bring) ==U== *[[Wiktionary:Usar|Usar]] (to use) *[[Wiktionary:utilizar|Utilizar]] (to use) ==V== *[[Wiktionary:Vencer|Vencer]] (to conquer, to defeat) *[[Wiktionary:Vender|Vender]] (to sell) *[[Wiktionary:Venir|Venir]] (to come) *[[Wiktionary:Ver|Ver]] (to see) *[[Wiktionary:Viajar|Viajar]] (to travel) *[[Wiktionary:Visitar|Visitar]] (to visit) *[[Wiktionary:Vivir|Vivir]] (to live) *[[Wiktionary:Volver|Volver]] (to return) ==Y== *[[Wiktionary:yacer|Yacer]] (to lie) ==Z== *[[Wiktionary:Zafar|Zafar]] (to untie) *[[Wiktionary:Zanjar|Zanjar]] (to resolve) {{Spanish Verbs}} ---- [[Spanish/Verbs]] ==External links== *[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0658014870/qid=1120440532/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-1437568-3269459 The Big Red Book of Spanish Verbs] *[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764124285/qid=1120440612/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/103-1437568-3269459?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 501 Spanish Verbs] *[http://www.helloworld.com.es/english/quick%20reference/verbs/spanishverblist.htm Fully Conjugated Spanish VerbList] They call it LazyMood. Good online reference. {{BookCat}} en71jbekdr4ik1spczifnwn1itxp63b 4639324 4639322 2026-06-08T13:07:38Z MathXplore 3097823 [[WB:REVERT|Reverted]] edit by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-33939-63|~2026-33939-63]] ([[User talk:~2026-33939-63|talk]]) to last version by ~2026-19604-41 4628581 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ [[Spanish/Verbs]] ---- {{Spanish Verbs}} ==A== *[[wiktionary:abrazar|Abrazar]] (to hug) *[[wiktionary:abrir|Abrir]] (to open) abro abras abra *[[wiktionary:acabar|Acabar]] (to finish) *[[wiktionary:acabar|Acabar]] de (to have just) *[[wiktionary:acordar|Acordar]] (to agree upon) *[[wiktionary:acompañar|Acompañar]] (to accompany) *[[wiktionary:acostarse|Acostarse]] (to go to bed) *[[wiktionary:afeitarse|Afeitarse]] (to shave oneself) ''ref.'' *[[wiktionary:ahorrar|Ahorrar]] (to save money) *[[wiktionary:almorzar|Almorzar]] (to eat lunch) *[[wiktionary:alquilar|Alquilar]] (to rent) *[[wiktionary:amar|Amar]] (to love) - typical 1st conjugation verb *[[wiktionary:añadir|Añadir]] (to add) *[[wiktionary:andar|Andar]] (to walk, to go, to ride) *[[wiktionary:aparecer|Aparecer]] (to appear) *[[wiktionary:apagar|Apagar]] (to turn off) *[[wiktionary:aplanar|Aplanar]] (to throw out) *[[wiktionary:aplastar|Aplastar]] (to flatten) *[[wiktionary:aprender|Aprender]] (to learn) *[[wiktionary:aprobar|Aprobar]] (to approve, to pass) *[[wiktionary:arrastrarse|Arrastrarse]] (to crawl, to drag oneself) ''ref.'' *[[wiktionary:arreglar|Arreglar]] (to fix) *[[wiktionary:atacar|Atacar]] (to attack) *[[wiktionary:asistir|Asistir]] (to attend) *[[wiktionary:asustar|Asustar]] (to frighten) *[[wiktionary:aumentar|Aumentar]] (to increase) *[[wiktionary:ayudar|Ayudar]] (to help) ==B== *[[Wiktionary:Bailar|Bailar]] (to dance) *[[Wiktionary:Bañarse|Bañarse]] (to bathe) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Barrer|Barrer]] (to sweep) *[[Wiktionary:Batir|Batir]] (to whisk) *[[Wiktionary:Beber|Beber]] (to drink) *[[Wiktionary:Besar|Besar]] (to kiss) *[[Wiktionary:Borrar|Borrar]] (to erase) *[[Wiktionary:Bromear|Bromear]] (to joke) *[[Wiktionary:Bucear|Bucear]] (to dive) *[[Wiktionary:Burlarse|Burlarse]] (to make fun of) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Buscar|Buscar]] (to look for) ==C== *[[Wiktionary:Calentar|Calentar]] (to heat) *[[Wiktionary:Calificar|Calificar]] (to grade) *[[Wiktionary:Caminar|Caminar]] (to walk) *[[Wiktionary:Cansarse|Cansarse]] (to tire) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Cantar|Cantar]] (to sing) *[[Wiktionary:Casarse|Casarse]] (to marry) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Cazar|Cazar]] (to hunt) *[[Wiktionary:Celebrar|Celebrar]] (to celebrate) *[[Wiktionary:Cenar|Cenar]] (to dine, to have supper) *[[Wiktionary:Cepillar|Cepillar(se)]] (to brush) can be ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Cerrar|Cerrar]] (to close) *[[Wiktionary:Charlar|Charlar]] (to chat) *[[Wiktionary:Chupar|Chupar]] (to suck) *[[Wiktionary:Cocinar|Cocinar]] (to cook) *[[Wiktionary:Coger|Coger]] (to catch) *[[Wiktionary:Comer|Comer]] (to eat, esp. to eat lunch) *[[Wiktionary:Comprar|Comprar]] (to purchase, to buy) *[[Wiktionary:Comprender|Comprender]] (to comprehend, to understand) *[[Wiktionary:Conducir|Conducir]] (to drive) *[[Wiktionary:Conocer|Conocer]] (to know, to meet) *[[Wiktionary:Contar|Contar]] (to relate) *[[Wiktionary:Contestar|Contestar]] (to answer, to reply) *[[Wiktionary:Correr|Correr]] (to run) *[[Wiktionary:Cortar|Cortar]] (to cut) *[[Wiktionary:Costar|Costar]] (to cost) (ue) *[[Wiktionary:Crear|Crear]] (to create) *[[Wiktionary:Creer|Creer]] (to believe) *[[Wiktionary:Cuajar|Cuajar]] (to curdle) *[[Wiktionary:Cubrir|Cubrir]] (to cover) *[[Wiktionary:Cumplir|Cumplir]] (to fulfill) ==D== *[[Wiktionary:Dar|Dar]] (to give) *[[Wiktionary:Deber|Deber]] (to owe, should) *[[Wiktionary:Decidir|Decidir]] (to decide) *[[Wiktionary:Decir|Decir]] (to say, to tell) *[[Wiktionary:Dejar|Dejar]] (to leave) *[[Wiktionary:Desayunar|Desayunar]] (to eat breakfast) *[[Wiktionary:Descansar|Descansar]] (to rest) *[[Wiktionary:Desear|Desear]] (to desire, to wish) *[[Wiktionary:Deshacer|Deshacer]] (to undo) *[[Wiktionary:Despedir|Despedir]] (to fire) *[[Wiktionary:Despedirse|Despedirse]] (to say goodbye) *[[Wiktionary:Despertarse|Despertarse]] (to wake up) - Irregular: e -> ie *[[Wiktionary:Destruir|Destruir]] (to destroy) *[[Wiktionary:Detener|Detener]] (to stop) *[[Wiktionary:Dirigir|Dirigir]] (to lead, to guide) *[[Wiktionary:Disculparse|Disculparse]] (to excuse oneself) *[[Wiktionary:Discutir|Discutir]] (to argue) *[[Wiktionary:Distinguir|Distinguir]] (to distinguish) *[[Wiktionary:Divertirse|Divertirse]] (to have fun) - Irregular: e -> ie *[[Wiktionary:Doler|Doler]] (to hurt) *[[Wiktionary:Dormir|Dormir]] (to sleep, go to sleep) - Irregular: o &rarr; ue *[[Wiktionary:Duchar|Duchar(se)]] (to shower (oneself)) - Can be ''ref.'' ==E== *[[Wiktionary:Echar|Echar]] (to deal (cards)) *[[Wiktionary:Elegir|Elegir]] (to choose, to elect) *[[Wiktionary:Empeorar|Empeorar]] (to worsen) *[[Wiktionary:Empezar|Empezar]] (to begin) *[[Wiktionary:Empujar|Empujar]] (to push) *[[Wiktionary:Enamorarse|Enamorarse]] (to fall in love) *[[Wiktionary:Encantar|Encantar]] (to be delighted about) - ''gustar-type verb'' *[[Wiktionary:Encender|Encender]] (to light) *[[Wiktionary:Enfermar|Enfermar]] (to get sick) *[[Wiktionary:Enojarse|Enojarse]] (to be angry) *[[Wiktionary:Enseñar|Enseñar]] (to teach) *[[Wiktionary:Entender|Entender]] (to understand) *[[Wiktionary:Entrar|Entrar]] (to enter) *[[Wiktionary:Escuchar|Escuchar]] (to listen) *[[Wiktionary:Escribir|Escribir]] (to write) *[[Wiktionary:Esperar|Esperar]] (to wait, to hope) *[[Wiktionary:Esquiar|Esquiar]] (to ski) *[[Wiktionary:Estar|Estar]] (to be) *[[Wiktionary:Estudiar|Estudiar]] (to study) *[[Wiktionary:Exportar|Exportar]] (to export) ==F== *[[Wiktionary:Fastidiar|Fastidiar]] (to annoy, to tease) *[[Wiktionary:Felicitar|Felicitar]] (to congratulate) *[[Wiktionary:Fingir|Fingir]] (to pretend, to fake) *[[Wiktionary:Firmar|Firmar]] (to sign) *[[Wiktionary:Flipar|Flipar]] (to be crazy about) - ''gustar-type verb'' *[[Wiktionary:Freir|Freir]] (to fry) *[[Wiktionary:Fusilar|Fusilar]] (to execute by firing squad) ==G== *[[Wiktionary:Ganar|Ganar]] (to win, to earn) *[[Wiktionary:Gastar|Gastar]] (to spend, to use up) *[[Wiktionary:Gritar|Gritar]] (to shout) *[[Wiktionary:Guiar|Guiar]] (to lead, to guide) *[[Wiktionary:Gustar|Gustar]] (to be pleasing) ''-equivalent to the english "to like"'' ==H== *[[../Haber/]] (to have [helper verb]) *[[Wiktionary:Hablar|Hablar]] (to talk) *[[Wiktionary:Hacer|Hacer]] (to make, to do) *[[Wiktionary:Hacer|Hacer calor]] (to be hot) *[[Wiktionary:Hallar|Hallar]] (to find) *[[Wiktionary:Helar|Helar]] (to freeze) *[[Wiktionary:Herir|Herir]] (to injure) *[[Wiktionary:Hinchar|Hinchar]] (to anger) *[[Wiktionary:Huir|Huir]] (to flee) *[[Wiktionary:Hundir|Hundir]] (to sink) == I == *[[Wiktionary:Insultar|Insultar]] (to insult) *[[../Ir/]] (to go) *[[Wiktionary:Irse|Irse]] (to go [away]) reflexive verb *[[Wiktionary:Invitar|Invitar]] (to invite) *[[Wiktionary:Injerir|Injerir]] (to inject, insert) ==J== *[[Wiktionary:Jalar|Jalar]] (to pull) *[[Wiktionary:Jugar|Jugar]] (to play) *[[Wiktionary:Jurar|Jurar]] (to swear) *[[Wiktionary:Juzgar|Juzgar]] (to judge) ==L== *[[Wiktionary:Lastimar|Lastimar]] (to hurt emotionally) *[[Wiktionary:Lavar|Lavar]] (to wash) *[[Wiktionary:Leer|Leer]] (to read) *[[Wiktionary:Llegar a ser|Llegar a ser]] (to become) *[[Wiktionary:Levantar|Levantar]] (to raise) *[[Wiktionary:Limpiar|Limpiar]] (to clean) *[[Wiktionary:Llegar|Llegar]] (to arrive) *[[Wiktionary:Llevar|Llevar]] (to bring, to carry) *[[Wiktionary:Llorar|Llorar]] (to cry) *[[../Llover/]] (to rain) *[[Wiktionary:Lograr|Lograr]] (to accomplish) *[[Wiktionary:Luchar|Luchar]] (to fight, to struggle) ==M== *[[Wiktionary:Manejar|Manejar]] (to drive) *[[Wiktionary:Matar|Matar]] (to kill) *[[Wiktionary:Mejorar|Mejorar]] (to get better) *[[Wiktionary:Meter|Meter]] (to place inside) *[[Wiktionary:Mirar|Mirar]] (to look) *[[Wiktionary:Mojar|Mojar]] (to wet) *[[Wiktionary:Molestar|Molestar]] (to annoy, to bother) *[[Wiktionary:Morir|Morir]] (to die) ==N== *[[Wiktionary:Nacer|Nacer]] (to be born) *[[Wiktionary:Nadar|Nadar]] (to swim) *[[Wiktionary:Navegar|Navegar]] (to navigate) *[[Wiktionary:Necesitar|Necesitar]] (to need) *[[Wiktionary:Negar|Negar]] (to deny) *[[Wiktionary:Nevar|Nevar]] (to snow) ==O== *[[Wiktionary:Obtener|Obtener]] (to get, to obtain) *[[Wiktionary:Odiar|Odiar]] (to hate) *[[Wiktionary:Ofrecer|Ofrecer]] (to offer) *[[Wiktionary:Oír|Oír]] (to hear) *[[Wiktionary:Oler|Oler]] (to smell) - Irregular: o -> hue *[[Wiktionary:Olvidar|Olvidar]] (to forget) *[[Wiktionary:Operar|Operar]] (to operate) *[[Wiktionary:Orar|Orar]] (to pray) ==P== *[[Wiktionary:Pagar|Pagar]] (to pay) *[[Wiktionary:Parecer|Parecer]] (to appear) *[[Wiktionary:Parecer|Parecer a]] (to resemble) *[[Wiktionary:Participar|Participar]] (to participate) *[[Wiktionary:Partir|Partir]] (to cut, to leave) - typical 3rd conjugation verb *[[Wiktionary:Pasar|Pasar]] (to pass, to happen) *[[Wiktionary:Pasear|Pasear]] (to ride, to stroll) *[[Wiktionary:Pedir|Pedir]] (to ask for) - Irregular *[[Wiktionary:Peinarse|Peinarse]] (to comb oneself) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Pelear|Pelear]] (to fight) *[[Wiktionary:Pensar|Pensar]] (to think) *[[Wiktionary:Perder|Perder]] (to lose) *[[Wiktionary:Perseguir|Perseguir]] (to chase) *[[Wiktionary:Pintar|Pintar]] (to paint) *[[Wiktionary:Pisar|Pisar]] (to step on) *[[Wiktionary:Planchar|Planchar]] (to iron) *[[Wiktionary:Platicar|Platicar]] (to chat) *[[Wiktionary:Poder|Poder]] (to be able) *[[Wiktionary:Poner|Poner]] (to put, to place, to set)Note: The Yo form of poner is "pongo" *[[Wiktionary:Practicar|Practicar]] (to practice) *[[Wiktionary:Preguntar|Preguntar]] (to ask) *[[Wiktionary:Preparar|Preparar]] (to prepare) *[[Wiktionary:Prestar|Prestar]] (to lend) ==Q== *[[Wiktionary:Quedarse|Quedarse]] (to stay) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Quejarse|Quejarse]] (to complain, to grumble) ''ref.'' *[[Wiktionary:Quemar|Quemar]] (to burn) *[[Wiktionary:Querer|Querer]] (to want, to like) - Irregular: e -> ie *[[Wiktionary:Querer|Querer decir]] (to mean, to signify) *[[Wiktionary:Quitar|Quitar]] (to take away) ==R== *[[Wiktionary:Rasurarse|Rasurarse]] (to shave oneself) *[[Wiktionary:Recibir|Recibir]] (to receive) *[[Wiktionary:Reciclar|Reciclar]] (to recycle) *[[Wiktionary:Recordar|Recordar]] (to remember) *[[Wiktionary:Recoger|Recoger]] (to gather, to pick up) *[[wiktionary:Regalar|Regalar]] (to give [as a gift]) *[[Wiktionary:Regresar|Regresar]] (to return) *[[Wiktionary:Reír|Reír]] (to laugh) *[[Wiktionary:Repartir|Repartir]] (to distribute) *[[Wiktionary:Resistir|Resistir]] (to bear) *[[Wiktionary:Rogar|Rogar]] (to pray, to beg) *[[Wiktionary:Romper|Romper]] (to rip, to break) ==S== *[[Wiktionary:Saber|Saber]] (to know) *[[Wiktionary:Sacar|Sacar]] (to take out) *[[Wiktionary:Salir|Salir]] (to leave, to go out) *[[Wiktionary:Saludar|Saludar]] (to greet) *[[Wiktionary:Secar|Secar]] (to dry) *[[Wiktionary:Seguir|Seguir]] (to follow) *[[Wiktionary:Sentarse|Sentarse]] (to sit) *[[Wiktionary:Sentir|Sentir]] (to feel) *[[Wiktionary:Ser|Ser]] (to be) *[[Wiktionary:Significar|Significar]] (to mean, to signify) *[[Wiktionary:Sonar|Sonar]] (to ring) *[[Wiktionary:Sonreír|Sonreír]] (to smile) *[[Wiktionary:Sonrojarse|Sonrojarse]] (to blush) *[[Wiktionary:Soñar|Soñar]] (to dream) *[[Wiktionary:Soportar|Soportar]] (to bear) *[[Wiktionary:Subir|Subir]] (to go up, to get on) ==T== *[[Wiktionary:Temer|Temer]] (to fear) - typical 2nd conjugation verb *[[Wiktionary:Tener|Tener]] (to have, to own)e --> ie except for yo, which is "tengo" *[[Wiktionary:Tener|Tener razón]] (to be right) *[[Wiktionary:Tentar|Tentar]] (to touch) *[[Wiktionary:Terminar|Terminar]] (to finish, to end) *[[Wiktionary:Tirar|Tirar]] (to throw, to shoot) *[[Wiktionary:Tocar|Tocar]] (to touch, to play an instrument) *[[Wiktionary:Tomar|Tomar]] (to take, to drink) *[[Wiktionary:Trabajar|Trabajar]] (to work) *[[Wiktionary:Traducir|Traducir]] (to translate) *[[Wiktionary:Tragar|Tragar(se)]] (to swallow) *[[Wiktionary:Traer|Traer]] (to bring) ==U== *[[Wiktionary:Usar|Usar]] (to use) *[[Wiktionary:utilizar|Utilizar]] (to use) ==V== *[[Wiktionary:Vencer|Vencer]] (to conquer, to defeat) *[[Wiktionary:Vender|Vender]] (to sell) *[[Wiktionary:Venir|Venir]] (to come) *[[Wiktionary:Ver|Ver]] (to see) *[[Wiktionary:Viajar|Viajar]] (to travel) *[[Wiktionary:Visitar|Visitar]] (to visit) *[[Wiktionary:Vivir|Vivir]] (to live) *[[Wiktionary:Volver|Volver]] (to return) ==Y== *[[Wiktionary:yacer|Yacer]] (to lie) ==Z== *[[Wiktionary:Zafar|Zafar]] (to untie) *[[Wiktionary:Zanjar|Zanjar]] (to resolve) {{Spanish Verbs}} ---- [[Spanish/Verbs]] ==External links== *[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0658014870/qid=1120440532/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-1437568-3269459 The Big Red Book of Spanish Verbs] *[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764124285/qid=1120440612/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/103-1437568-3269459?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 501 Spanish Verbs] *[http://www.helloworld.com.es/english/quick%20reference/verbs/spanishverblist.htm Fully Conjugated Spanish VerbList] They call it LazyMood. Good online reference. {{BookCat}} hsne3u1defsoq8hrleq9opvd56gi02f 5 4237 4639429 3224303 2026-06-08T19:31:43Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639429 wikitext text/x-wiki I disagree with this system. I much prefer the Book:Title system for naming articles. There shouldn't be that many modules in a book that you'd need a 4X hierarchy. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 11:17, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC) == interwiki == Doesn't the : seperater create a problem for inter wiki? Lets say I write a book on wikipedia, the chapters would be called [[wikipedia:something]]. This goes to wikipedia article something insted of the chapter on something. With interwiki growing and the likelyhood of a wiki named the same as a book growing, this may be a bad practice. Yes, good point. I agree. [[User:dan_aka_jack|Dan_AKA_Jack]] 17:10, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC) :I agree. We should be using subpages, but they are not enabled on the main namespace. Please, read my opinion about this topic on [[m:Wikibooks should use subpages]]. [[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 13:26, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC) == subpages == Now we have subpages, I recommend using them. [[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 18:17, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC) : Do we agree on using subpages? If yes, we could put the recommendation on the "about" page itself, placed prominently on top, instead of recommending it only on the "talk" page and listing it as one of many many options. Is there a clear community opinion about this point already? Most of the new books still use the "booktitle:name" convention. I guess newcomers would also be happy about a clear directive for the future. (That does not mean that all existing books should be converted, but some would benefit.) : I would recomment: :* Booktitle/chapterdescription : that is, only one layer of subpages, and use the description of the content instead of the chapter number (which would make including new chapters hard) --[[User:Andreas Ipp|Andreas]] 14:13, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC) : While I am in favor of Sub-Pages I may ask: Is there actualy a way of converting pages without leaving hundreds of move pages. i.E. [[:{{SUBJECTCATEGORY|Ada programming language}}|Ada]] has about 103 pages - I would not want to convert that by hand. --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]] 16:06, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC) :Would using subpages apply just to textbooks or to everything? I wouldn't want to see [[Cookbook/Rice pudding]], for example, but [[Biology/Chapter 3]] is fine. [[User:TUF-KAT|TUF-KAT]] 16:25, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::I don't see any difference between the two, but I think that the first decission to take is wether to give a clear recommendation for new books to use subpages. I think we should. For current books, that is another issue, probably the best approach is to start promoting subpages and let the authors decide whether to change or maintain their current convention. Only if the new convention is widely accepted then we can regard it as a new policy. [[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 00:09, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) :I still think that there may be more benefits to real namespaces for books. Other wiki software packages provide namespace specific recent changes, searches, stylesheets, etc. I can see a lot of benefits for each book operating as its own somewhat independent wiki. The only benefit right now for subpages is the automatic linkback to the main page. I have no objection to them being used, but to suggest that all new pages and books be forced to use them is simply not a good idea. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 01:40, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) :: The mediawiki software currently only allows for 256 different namespaces (it is a TINYINT(2) variable in the SQL database), so the number of books getting the real benefit out of it would be comparatively small. I think, a mixed approach would be best: For the majority of small and medium-sized books subpages are the optimal thing to do, large projects, like "Cookbook:" or "Programming:" could have their own name-space if desired. Let us move the further discussion to [[Wikibooks:Hierachy_naming_scheme]].--[[User:Andreas Ipp|Andreas]] 06:47, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Real-Namespaces == Just a thought: while 256 Real-Namespaces are not enough for all the books - they would be enough for Bookshelfes. --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]] 06:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC) Adding a new namespace requires minor changes to the software, or at least done on a developer level (developers also tend to be very Wikipedia-centric, and thus developments that would greatly help Wikibooks, eg. a way in the software to tell what book a given module is a part of, are held on the back burner). There was a large movement in the past of moving [[Cookbook]] and [[Programming]] (among others) to separate namespaces, but that idea largely died out - the idea however did transform into the ":" delimiter in [[WB:NC]]. As for bookshelves, part of the bookshelf overhaul was that they'd be moved under the Wikibooks namespace, to reserve the main module space for actual books. The bookshelves merely serve as an informal way of organizing books that exist. There are plans to have bookshelf management placed under the [[Wikibooks:Card Catalog Office]], but this is a very new idea that is in serious need of discussion. [[User:KelvSYC|KelvSYC]] 08:04, 4 August 2005 (UTC) : Using real namespaces would make it more difficult to move books between bookshelves, should the scope of those bookshelves evolve. The current POV in the CCO-project is to use Categories as much as possible. This way we can classify books not only by our bookshelves, but also by Dewey codes and Library of Congress codes (and anything else we might want to add in later). To change a book's classification would be a simple as changing a single parameter of a template to be included on the book's main page. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 19:43, 4 August 2005 (UTC) == Template naming conventions == moved to [[Wikibooks talk:Naming policy#Template naming conventions]] == category guidelines == Are there any tips or guidelines for using category tags? (A category tag starts with "<code>[<nowiki>[Category:</nowiki></code>", then the name of the tag, then ends with "<code><nowiki>]]</nowiki></code>". When a reader clicks on the tag, wikibooks automagically makes a list of every module that includes that tag -- this is often much more convenient than manually creating and maintaining such a list.) Such category guidelines would say something like * make sure the category tag "<code><nowiki>[[Category:Programming]]</nowiki></code>" is on the "main module" of a programming language book, but no other module of the book. For example, you would put it on "[[C Programming]]", but not on "[[C Programming/Control]]". * Put the book-specific category tag on every module and template used in the book. For example, you would put the category tag "<code>[[:Category:C Programming]]</code>" on both modules "[[C Programming]]" and "[[C Programming/Control]]", but not on any modules in any other book. * make sure the category tag "<code><nowiki>[[Category:Programming]]</nowiki></code>" is on the book-specific category page. For example, you would put it on the "<code>[[:Category:C Programming]]</code>" category page. * It's fine to have a module or template have several different category tags. In particular, if a template is used in multiple books, put the book-specific category tag from each of those books on that template. Is there a page for holding guidelines like this? By the way, what is the difference between "<code><nowiki>[[:Category:Programming]]</nowiki></code>" and "<code><nowiki>[[:Category:Programming languages]]</nowiki></code>"? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 18:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC) : Hi David - you are so right (in my view) to bring this up. It's one that has been lurking in my mind for a while now. I see categories as very important and quite often badly handled. That said you are posting this in quite a remote backwater of Wikibooks which will probably not be seen by many. If you want to go to [[Category talk:Main page]] I promise I'll join it the conversation there (tho it will be tomorrow it being late in my timezone!). Browsing [[:Category:Main page]] will give you some idea how good and bad things can be - personally the Wikijunior section is pretty good but the rest ... : Hopefully see you there and get some discussion going about an important topic. Regards --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 19:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC) rgrl7jxew5nw62oxcqj8l6bqe8deya1 5 5410 4639378 4633534 2026-06-08T17:51:24Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639378 wikitext text/x-wiki {{metatalk}} == This needs to be updated == Now that I'm going to actually publish a book from Wikibooks, I've discovered a whole bunch of problems relating to copyright status that need to be covered. Essentially, I think we need to take most of the contents regarding hard copy printing and throw them out. According to U.S. law (and perhaps others), every single author needs to be given attribution, not just the top 5 contributors. Or perhaps we need to get a second opinion on this. Is is the top 5 edits by edit count? What other criteria are we going to use? What about requirements for nationality and place of residence? (This is for formal copyright registration.) I'm going to take this discussion to Wikipedia for some wider comment as well, but it needs to be updated and modified here, especially as it relates to Wikibooks. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 01:45, 26 July 2005 (UTC) : It would be interesting to get an update to learn if there were any results from this. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 03:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC) == Why GFDL instead of GPL? == The GFDL looks as though it tries to give the original authors control over derived works by allowing invariant sections. I have seen mention of one document where the author has specified the whole of the document as an invariant section (I'll try to find a link). This makes a nonsense of any supposed ability to create derived or improved works. It seems that Wikibooks has made a deliberate attempt avoid this by stating that there will be no invariant sections, no front matter, etc. This seems to reduce the GFDL to something approaching the GPL so why not use the GPL instead? I can imagine circumstances where it would be desirable to include some of these books (if any of them ever attain the necessary quality) in Debian. But the GFDL is incompatible with the Debian social contract (as interpreted by Debian) so it can't be done; see http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html. :It would have been nice for you to sign this statement with a <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (four tildas) to let us know who you are and your opinion here. See the editing help page on Meta for more details. Going through the history log I can also find this information, but by omitting the sig, it seems as a random comment and hard to seperate out from other content. :I for one agree that the GFDL does have problems that need to be resolved, and is in need of some major overhaul...much more than the GPL. If you go to the [http://www.gnu.org/ Free Software Foundation website] you can find some discussion about this issue as well, and be able to help change the GFDL to overcome some of the objections you are talking about. I will say also, however, that the GPL is missing some key components for textual literary works that are not needed for computer source code or binary distribution, so the GPL is also insufficient to cover everything that you need for a literary work. Wikibooks, and indeed all Wikimedia Foundation projects actually use a specific subset of the GFDL that cover the GFDL with "with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts." This is a key distinction that avoid many of the common objections, but there are others to worry about as well, as you've pointed out.{{pbri}}BTW, you might want to do a very careful read of version 1.2 of the GFDL to see that some of the objections have also been dealt with. It appears as though the Debian position statement was for the GFDL version 1.0, which is different from the 1.2 version (although not apparent from the discussion). Of particular note is that the transparent vs. opaque discussion IMHO is totally wrong. Opaque copies are the literary version of binary distribution. PDF files are a good example, although this is primarily concerned with printed copies that don't even require computer technology to be able to "read" them. The attempt in this section is to encourage people recieving printed works that they don't have to go through a Distributed Proofreaders type of OCR conversion (with editing rounds) just to have the ability to reprint the book they are reading. If you have ever read a manual that was a 6th or 10th generation photocopy of some other document, I hope you appreciate what having the original "source material" as a machine readable text can mean. The GPL has similar requirement for binary distribution together with the source, and as a matter of policy myself when distributing software (I am a software engineer who has also used the GPL for some projects) I include a copy of the source as well... especially at the download site (which is critical). Unfortuately when you buy a book in a bookstore, the "download site" into your hands to read the book usually does not have a computer network terminal or other convinent means to get the source material. The same could be said if you bought a CD-ROM with GPL software (I've done that too), but if you abide with the spirt of the GPL, the source would also be included. Some of this is also derived from the fights over items like Tivo that are reluctant to release source code for GPL'd software modification that consumers are indirectly using. This makes it clear that you as an end-user should be able to get raw machine readable source material somehow. I've also been involved with an unscrupilous supervisor who "GPL'd" some software for one day only, and "copyied" the software for his own personal use when he left the company. A similar issue happened with the Gnutella network software when it was released by Netscape just before the AOL buyout (or was that right afterward?){{pbri}}There are other legal issues that pertain only to literary works that the GFDL attempts to deal with that are not really covered with any other licese, although Creative Commons does try to do a good job. The GPL/GFDL incompatability issues are a huge deal, and that is something that IMHO the Free Software Foundation can and should deal with (particularly since they wrote both licenses). In short, if you want to make a copyleft literary work available, what license would you suggest? Also keep in mind that this issue has been throughally vetted in other forums, including when [[w:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], [[w:Nupedia|Nupedia]], and [[w:Gnupedia|Gnupedia]] all were started. These are essentially the same thing...or at least have similar roots and the projects all merged together at some point. As far as how this affects Wikibooks, on the other hand, is another issue. We do, however, have to maintain compatability with other Wikimedia projects, and keep in mind that all existing content on all Wikimedia Foundation servers (slightly over 1 TB of data, from what I've seen, and growing at a rate of about 4-7% per ''month'') is already GFDL'd, so changing licenses is going to be a huge deal, not something done as a casual unsigned comment on an obscure page is going to change. We treat this issue seriously, however, and invite discussion of what changes can be done to help encourage a copyleft distribution of literary content. At this point, however, the GFDL may have to be changed than for us to change to something other than the GFDL.... and it may be easier to accomplish as well. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 10:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC) Sorry about the lack of signature, I'm afraid I'm not very competent at editing yet. [[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 18:57:43, 2005-08-22 (UTC) I'm afraid I really don't know what license would be best and I'm not really qualified to pronounce on it anyway. What I want is that any content that I provide be available to anyone to use for whatever purpose they wish and for those who distribute derived works to be required to give the same freedoms to everyone else. Additionally I do not want to burden those who might want to create a derived work from a small part of a document with requirements to attach verbose licences (WikiTravel has a discussion on exactly this point explaining why they rejected the GFDL). Any incompatibility between GPL and GFDL would be especially important to me and to many programmers because we write both code and manuals for that code. A substantial program might also have a textbook associated with it. The point is to encourage the free flow of information. I do understand that there are a lot of documents in these Wiki's now that are covered by GFDL but I can't agree that that is a reasonable argument against change, only against careless change. Circumstances change all the time. Anyway how could you change the licence of existing text? Wouldn't you have to contact all the contributors? I'm aware of the clause in both GPL and GFDL that state that the creator of a derived work can follow the rules in 'any later version' but I wonder how that would stand up to a legal challenge if the terms were to change significantly. Sorry about the mutiple edits, finger trouble on the refresh button. [[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 09:17:47, 2005-08-23 (UTC) :If you want to get a glimpse at the magnitude of your request, see [[Special:Listusers|User list]], which is a list of all of the registered users here on Wikibooks. And keep in mind that a substantial number of people also contribute "anonymously", so technically you would have to dump the entire database and restart the entire project if you decided to switch licenses. This is currently under discussion at Wikitree (a genealogical website that wants to become a part of Wikimedia sometime in the future... if possible). The problem there is that the person who started the site made the license CC-by-SA-NC, which made it incompatable with the GFDL and the GPL in a major way (the non-commercial use only clause). A debate there over what license should be used is occuring, and they are facing the very real possibility of throwing away their entire database and restarting the project. It is only a couple of months old, so that may be a real possibility, and they do consider that the project proposal is still in beta. License issues at the beginning of a project are critical. This debate is also ongoing at Wikinews, and their "solution" to the problem is to simply make all content put into the public domain (no license at all). That way it is compabatable with all copyleft licenses until they can come to a decision as to what specific copyleft license that they want to use, even if they have to draft that license themselves. That also misses the legal protections that a copyright license affords to keep people abusing the "commons", but in the case of Wikinews it was not perceived to be as big of a deal. The #1 complaint there is the license republishing requirement of the GFDL made it absurd to use GFDL (as would the GPL under similar circumstances) for any short 5-10 paragraph news articles by commercial news outlets (like a small-town newspaper that decided to trash their annual AP wire fee and use Wikinews instead... or even as a suppliment).{{pbri}}Particularly so visible of a project like Wikimedia Foundation projects do indeed get notice from the Free Software Foundation, and it is having a major impact in the future of the GFDL. There are discussions going on right now (on some mailing lists that I don't know the URL for at the moment) about future changes to the GFDL that has included comments from Wikipedia and other Wikimedia users, and taken very seriously. Particularly when you note that Wikipedia alone is perhaps close to 50% of current content written using the GFDL (or more...but stats like that would be hard to come by). Both the GPL and the GFDL are due for an update soon and both have been announced by Richard Stallman. The GPL update is a bigger concern because Linus Torvald got rid of the "or later update" clause in the GPL for the Linux kernel, which "freezes" the GPL at it current version. Linus did that for a specific legal reason, and debate over that decision can be found elsewhere on the web. Slashdot has done a particularly good job of covering that specific issue (especially within the user comment areas), but you do have to dig real hard.{{pbri}}If you do want to get involved with this issue and bring it up to a larger audience that includes people who can make a change (at least within the Wikimedia Foundation) I would suggest that you look at [http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l The Wikimedia Foundation mailing list] (also refered to commonly as Foundation-l on Wikimedia projects). There are a couple of hot-button ideas at the moment, but I'm sure you would get a solid reply as to why the GFDL is being used. You might want to dig through the archives as well if you might be interested. There are a couple of computer programming Wikibooks where issues of GPL/GFDL compatability are of importance, so there is some reason to try and hit this issue as well. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 12:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC) == Compatible licences == Is there a list of licences that are compatible with the GFDL? What I mean is: is there an easy way to discover whether a document or an excerpt from a document can be incorporated in a WikiBook without having to read carefully through all the complicated clauses. For instance, is the OpenOffice Public License compatible (http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html). A concrete example: I would like to take some information from ''Programming OpenOffice.org with Visual Basic'' (http://www.kalitech.fr/clients/doc/VB_APIOOo_en.html) but it is under the OO public license which looks to me as though it isn't compatible, but I'm not sure. [[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 09:03, 17 September 2005 (UTC) :I would recommend that you take a look at the [http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html GNU License List] that compares several licenses to licenses authored by the Free Software Foundation. Look toward the bottom of the page for the GFDL compatable licenses as opposed to the GPL. There are a couple licenses listed there that are compatable, and this list should be expanded. If you are interested in researching this topic, it would be a good discussion to add to the [[m:|Wikimedia Meta Server]] and adding a list of compatable licenses to the GFDL. In addition, writing to Richard Stallman or somebody else at the Free Software Foundations with some document licenses that may be compatable with the GFDL would be useful as well. This is something that Mr. Stallman in particular is interested in and will give you some sort of reply on the matter... especially if the website in incomplete from what you have found out. I've had contact with Mr. Stallman in the past, and he has been very gracious and reasonable in his replies if you are also reasonable with your request. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 00:15, 19 September 2005 (UTC) == Orphan works == I have found a number of web pages that would make worthwhile additions to [[Programming:Visual Basic Classic]] but have failed to make contact with the copyright holders. It isn't just that the email isn't answered, sometimes it bounces and even Google fails to turn up a plausible alternative address. I wonder if anyone has any suggestions about how to track down the copyright holders of such orphan works. It seems to me that there is a lot of material on the web that is effectively unuseable because it has neither an explicit license granting free use nor a live contact who can be asked for permission. Sadly academic sites seem to be frequent offenders in this regard, even where they have an email address specifically noted as the one to use regarding copyright the mail often goes unanswered. --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 21:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC) :This is an ugly can of worms that you have just opened up. Prior to the "internationalization" of U.S. copyright (at least in the USA) that occured in the mid 1970's, all copyrighted works in the USA were required to file a formal registration with the U.S. Copyright Office, which is a part of the Library of Congress. As a part of the registration process, you needed to list the address of the publisher and other contact information, as well as the complete names and nationalities of all authors for the copyrighted work. This registration still occurs, but now it is voluntary and is seldom done except for items that are widely published or for people that don't mind paying the registration fee to do the formal paperwork. By registering the copyrighted work now, you gain statutory damages of $175,000 or more for a single copyright violation... that is above and beyond actual damages which can also be included. That copyright damage award can even be assessed against copyleft documents like Wikipedia (if somebody copies Wikipedia content, for example, without including the GFDL fine print or if they in turn claim copyright on the content). If the stuff you are trying to locate has been registered, you can contact the Library of Congress and get the publisher contact information. You may even be able to get that information on-line without having to actually talk to somebody. :For internet web pages, you can also try to find the domain registration information. For example, you can go to: http://www.internic.org/whois.html :and look up the '''''whois''''' information about the domain. Try to type in wikipedia.org in the domain area as an example to find who "owns" wikipedia.org. Back in the "good old days" this information was rather accurate, but the U.S. Dept. of Commerce has totally screwed up the internet and this registration is now close to meaningless. Still, you might get a clue as to who might have set up the internet domain, and sometimes people are honest when filling out these domain registrations. These addresses are usually Snail-Mail but also include sometimes e-mail addresses as well. I have seen addresses on Mars or Alpha Centari, so you can take those sort of addresses with a grain of salt. Better than having no contact information, however. By going through internic, you may have to do a domain search on a ''registrar's'' server, but internic has the names of the secondary registrars that you have to look up the information with, and generally where to go. The Whois information is supposed to be free to the public, but sometimes a bit of a pain to get to and some registrars don't exactly make it easy to find the "Whois" button on their web page. :The Library of Congress just had a symposium on what to do with orphaned works, and I believe is still seeking written comments about changes to copyright law. This issue is also likely to come before some future session of the U.S. Congress in the near future, so make sure you write to your local congressman if you are an American (or even if you aren't but want to weigh in on the issue.) Orphan works in particular would not be an issue with the old copyright laws, as a copyright which expires in just 20 years would normally be no big deal. With the current life+75 years, and no legal way to even know when a given author died unless they are incredibly famous, you can consider the current copyright term to be about 200 years.... basically the works of Thomas Jefferson would still be under copyright if the powers that be had their way. :In general, unless you have explicit permission in the form of something like the GFDL or something written by the author in your possession, consider most written works to be under copyright and untouchable for the purposes of Wikibooks. If you havn't guessed, I do have some strong political opinions on this subject.--[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 23:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC) ::Quote: 'consider most written works to be under copyright and untouchable for the purposes of Wikibooks'. That's pretty much what I concluded. The contact problem is generally not that I can't find out who is likely to be the copyright holder but that I can't get them to answer email even when I can be certain that they have received it. In one instance I even got an autoreply which said that the recipient was off work sick and I still didn't get a real reply. I just can't believe that most people get so much email that they can't afford the time to write one line saying yes or no. I think that I'll just have to admit that large chunks of the Visual Basic Classic book just won't ever get written because I'm too lazy to write the introductory stuff and have failed to get permission to copy anything else and haven't been able to persuade anyone else to contribute either. (Insert your favourite swear word here!) :-( --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 17:06, 24 September 2005 (UTC) == Permission Statements == What is the correct procedure when one has obtained permission to incorporate a copyrighted work? Where should that permission be stored? Is there any way of ensuring that the permission is not accidentally or deliberately overwritten or changed? See [[Programming:Visual Basic Classic/Coding Standards]] for an example. I placed the permission on the page where the work will eventually be written simply as a placeholder, I want to move it to a more logical place so that it is not in the middle of the actual text, but where? The talk page for that module doesn't seem right to me because modules can be radically changed so that the talk page no longer applies. Neither does the talk page for the main page of the book seem the right place as there is so much else there. Perhaps there should be a specific repository for such things? --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 07:10, 28 September 2005 (UTC) :Update: I've added a separate page in the book for such things. --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 10:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC) == Non-commercial only distribution of Wikibooks content == There is a part of the [[LD]] wikibook (the CAT method in Appendixes) which may only be distributed freely if it is in its entirety and used non-commercially. Do I put the document (which has no official website) in its own page, so that it will be protected from editing? Do I remove the method? Do I replace it with a link to a forum post where he posted it? Do I contact the copyright holder to ask for a more liberal (yes, POV of me) license? [[User:R3m0t|r3m0t]] [[Special:Contributions/r3m0t|(cont)]] [[User talk:r3m0t|(talk)]] 16:54, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC) :I'll try to contact you directly on your use page about this issue, but yes, we need to make sure all content added to Wikibooks follows the terms of the GFDL, including the capability of commercial entities redistributing the content. If there is a non-commercial use only clause, such as the CC-by-SA-NC license, or even explicit non-commercial entities only, it is a copyright violation to have that content on Wikibooks. There are already several commercial mirrors of Wikibooks, and that is legal to do as long as they abide by the terms of the GFDL. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 17:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC) == Changes to content page == This should start with <code><nowiki>Copyright © 2003 – {{CURRENTYEAR}}</nowiki></code>, which would currently display as "Copyright © 2003 – {{CURRENTYEAR}}", so that the year automatically gets updated. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html blog])</small> 22:41, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) *'''Changed''' - Thanks for pointing this out. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 17:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC) Minor thing: Under Use in hard copies (which is under Publication by third parties), number 5.1 says Provide a floopy disk, which should be changed to Provide a floppy disk [[User:70.59.165.242|70.59.165.242]] 15:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC) : Fixed, thanks. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 21:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC) ==Wikimedia Foundation licensing== I anticipate making a change to the page regarding WMF policy for official trademark and logo licensing agreements consistent with my earlier comments on Foundation-L. I will post the draft langauage here for comment.--[[User:BradPatrick|BradPatrick]] 12:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC) :It would be nice to know what is a trademark of the WMF (from the viewpoint of the WMF) as well, as the &#153; and &reg; symbols are currently not being used with much of what I would think are legitimate trademarks of the WMF. BTW, thanks for trying to address this issue. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 12:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC) :Great. I presume this will apply across-the-board to all WM-wiki content. [[User:Pfctdayelise|pfctdayelise]] 10:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC) :I hope you can eventually do the same regarding licensing of any copyrights held by the WMF. -anon ==Interwikis== [[es:Wikilibros:Copyrights]] [[ja:Wikibooks:著作権]] --[[User:Wikimi-dhiann|Wikimi-dhiann]] ([[User talk:Wikimi-dhiann|talk]]) 06:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC) == Books under alternative licenses == Currently the project page states: :''All content is considered to be released under the following terms unless otherwise indicated (for example; a clearly-marked quotation);'' I find this a little ambiguous. How prominent does the licensing statement have to be? Is a it enough to put it on the main page or does every page need to have it as well? What about talk pages? Would a link suffice or would the statement actually have to be there? --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 03:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC) == Some additions == I would like to add text to this policy that indicates the following: #Once a license has been granted to Wikibooks for material, an author may not remove or alter that license (follows from [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:GNU_Free_Documentation_License#9._TERMINATION Section 9 of the GFDL]). #That the page histories count as a [[w:byline]], and serve as legal attribution under the GFDL. Additional lists of authors are completely optional, are not considered "Invariant sections", and are not binding. These two points both follow directly from the GFDL, although many people have not completely read the text of that license and there is some confusion. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC) : '''Support'''. I didn't see this before but I do not object to either of these changes. I'm not sure what you mean by a ''byline'', I think we can just call it a "history" since the GFDL counts that as a legitimate attribution as well in the "combinations" section. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small>([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk]]) </small> 18:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC) : '''Mixed view''' - while certainly something that can give credit to contributors, the page histories of MediaWiki does not really give enough information to effectively credit authors. I think it is something that can be worked with and derived from most page histories, but we shouldn't be establishing any legally binding opinions here. Certainly we shouldn't claim that this is legal attribution. It is a form of attribution that can be used to help determine who the authors really are, and with some work (quite a bit of work, actually) you can obtain the necessary information for proper legal attribution. I should note that the "invariant sections" of the GFDL is one of those things that causes huge complications when doing legal interpretations of the GFDL, and is one of the more controversial parts of this license. I could give some suggestions on how to meet the requirements of section 2(b) of the GFDL (author lists), but randomly grabbing five people from the page history is certainly not sufficient. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 19:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC) ::It seems to be sufficient for MediaWiki itself ("''copyright (C) 2001-2007 Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik Möller, Gabriel Wicke, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Niklas Laxström, Domas Mituzas, Rob Church and others"''), although that is the GPL. Having said that, full history importing will always be the ideal. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 20:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC) :'''Support''', this is in agreement with what has been stated on Wikipedia (heck, there they say that even a backlink may be sufficient). If these methods were legally insufficient I'm sure someone would have brought it up by now. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 20:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC) ::I've gone ahead and added the first point, since it seems to be supported, but I'm not sure how best to address the second point though in the text. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC) == Interwiki link to Vietnamese Wikibooks == {{tlx|editprotected}} Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this page: <nowiki>[[vi:Wikibooks:Quyền tác giả]]</nowiki> Thanks. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 01:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC) :{{done}} &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 14:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC) == Why is this page linking to a rejected policy? == From [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]]: :In some situations you may encounter material on Wikibooks that has been added according to the [[Wikibooks:Fair Use Policy]]. From [[Wikibooks:Fair Use Policy]]: :#REDIRECT [[Wikibooks:Fair use policy]] From [[Wikibooks:Fair use policy]]: :This page documents a rejected Wikibooks policy or guideline proposal that should not be followed. Why does this policy incorporate by reference a policy that has been rejected? Why does it not link to [[Wikibooks:Media]] instead? --[[User:Damian Yerrick|Damian Yerrick]] ([[User talk:Damian Yerrick|talk]]) 19:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC) : Probably because someone forgot to update it when WB:MEDIA was made policy instead of this. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC) == Should Wikibooks also switch to CC-by-SA == In June 2009, Wikipedia switched to CC-by-SA. [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Dual_license_vote_May_2009]. I honestly don't really understand all the implications. Should Wikibooks also switch to CC-by-SA? (a) to maintain compatibility with Wikipedia? (b) for the same reasons, whatever they were, that Wikipedia switched? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 20:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC) :You seem to have missed that ''all'' Wikimedia projects have made that transition, including Wikibooks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 21:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC) :: According to the history of the [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] page, it never mentioned CC-by-SA until the change of 6 July 2009. I am sorry I "missed that" change. To avoid a repeat of this problem, please tell me -- how can I see events that happen over a week in the future? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC) :::Let's all keep level heads here. Mike just assumed you saw the sitenotice before promoting the vote on the change to CC-BY-SA. I think there was also a sitenotice announcing the results of the vote as well. Today I've added a new notice reiterating the change. Hopefully now everyone will be aware of the licensing change. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 20:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC) :::I assumed David had read the link he posted, which explains that all Wikimedia projects were moving to CC-by-sa. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 22:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC) :::: I hope you can understand how my little brain is confused when I hear one thing and see another -- when I hear that "''all'' Wikimedia projects have made that transition", but I see that the edit screen links to [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] which had not yet made that transition. :::: Now that we all agree that Wikibooks *has* made that transition, and now that the edit screen links to the new [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use Terms of Use], do we still need the old [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] page? Should we make that page merely a redirect to the new terms of use? Or perhaps a subordinate local copy of those terms? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 19:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC) ::::: The copyright page has made that transition, if you take a look at the [[#Update needed|update needed]] section below. The edit message update reflects what the WMF wanted, so presumably they still see a need for projects to have there own copyright policy. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC) == Update needed == With the switch to dual licensing between the GFDL and [[Wikibooks:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0]], this page needs to be updated. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 01:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC) : I thought that would of been taken care of too when the other things were updated, but I guess not. I used Wikipedia's updated copyright policy to update our own. I think the spirit is still basically the same as before, so it should hopefully not be an issue. I hope it is enough to satisfy any requirements the WMF may have implemented for updating the copyright policy though. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC) === Update needed: book donations === The "[[Wikibooks: book donations]]" page currently implies that "All books on Wikibooks must be released under the GFDL." and that using "CC-BY-SA... can be problematic.". It sounds to me like the "book donations" page was written sometime before Wikibooks switched from GFDL to CC-BY-SA in 2009, and no longer reflects the current situation. Should I simply delete all the stuff on that page about copyrights and replace it with a link to [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]], or would something else be more useful to our readers? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/DavidCary|contribs]]) 02:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC) == Recipes == Greetings, I would like to update [[Cookbook:Berbere]] based upon a recipe published in an actual cookbook ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Berbere#Ingredients some background], if you're interested). My understanding is that a list of ingredients is not protected by copyright (at least, not in the US), although the preparation steps are protected. I don't think it would be too useful to have one without the other, and I'm not sure it's really possible to reword the preparation and still come up with an original work. I've looked at [[Cookbook_talk:Table_of_Contents/Archive_6#Copyright_issues]] but it seems inconclusive (while [[Cookbook_talk:Table_of_Contents/Archive_1#Recipes_from_copyright-protected_cookbooks]] suggests an [external site http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=US%20Copyright%20for%20Recipes] for guidance). Another possible issue, unrelated to copyright, is that the source cookbook is in Amharic, not English (on the other hand I've yet to find an English source that is authoritative). Any general tips on importing (or not importing) cookbook recipes into Wikibooks? Thank you, -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog]] ([[User talk:Gyrofrog|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gyrofrog|contribs]]) 18:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC) == Copyright infringement == As far as I can tell, [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Computer_Networks/UDP&diff=next&oldid=632328 this edit] (from 2006) infringes copyright of Computer Networking: A Top-Down Approach, 5th Edition, by James F. Kurose and Keith W. Ross, {{#isbn:0-13-607967-9}}, pp214-215. (Probably an earlier edition was used, as the 5th edition is copyright 2010.) The book is mentioned as a source but the text, in my opinion, infringes and is in any case not properly attributed. Can anyone advise how to proceed? I know what to do on en.wiki, but not here. Thanks! (PS: courtesy note of any reply on en.wiki, my home wiki, appreciated.) [[User:Frank|Frank]] ([[User talk:Frank|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Frank|contribs]]) 02:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC) : If you can clearly identify something that was a copyright violation, please mark it with the {{tl|copyvio}} template. This alerts the site administrators there may be a problem and allows other editors on Wikibooks to try to rework or replace that content. Copyright violations are usually a high priority item for admins to deal with, and rank pretty close to vandalism in terms of how serious it is treated. That you found something from an edit several years ago is unfortunate, but I'm glad that you caught it. Hopefully a current admin will see this comment at some time in the near future. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] ([[User talk:Robert Horning|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Robert Horning|contribs]]) 13:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC) : I've tagged it and will look at it soon. The section has been extensively edited so it may no longer be a copyright violation or it may be a copyvio of a different version of the book (as Frank notes) [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span> ]]^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu]</span>]} 14:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC) ::Was this forgotten ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 06:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC) :::I can't remember if I forgot! [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 09:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC) :::: I agree with your initial statement (after taking a closer look). One question remains, since the copyrighted content continues to exist in the revision history. Is it possible to redact it from these logs ? If so, then the copyvio is resolved, as the infringement can no longer be considered to be published (available). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 03:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC) :::::Done. I've deleted all revisions from the history that contain the copyright violation. There are no authors in that history who are not present elsewhere, so there should be no future attribution problem. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 09:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC) :::::: This probably occurs more than we notice. Frank was capable of detecting it because of the source reference and probably by a sprout of activity. People often use copyrighted source material and rewrite it to not only fit their purposes but remove the rights claim and make the content usable, a similar example is when we use wikipedia's content. There we have more content surviving, but wikipedia's articles most of the time go way beyond the simplest encyclopedic format. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 09:47, 8 April 2012 (UTC) == Pls add this interwiki link == <pre> [[ta:விக்கிநூல்கள்:காப்புரிமைகள்]] </pre> : {{done}} --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 12:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC) == Transcribing Audio Books: Fair Use ? == * does transcribing Audio Books fall under "Fair Use" ? * does translating while transcribing Audio Books fall under "Fair Use" ? --[[User:Eternal-Entropy|Eternal-Entropy]] ([[User talk:Eternal-Entropy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eternal-Entropy|contribs]]) 05:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC) ::Not a lawyer. Having said that the fair use is not limited by medium, that is you have the same freedom of the use of protected content than for instance using of a text. ::Translation constitutes a derivation of the original work, it is by itself not related to the fair use. I think you may be confusing fair use with something else, fair use is an exception that permits in some instances the use of part of a protected work. ::See [[wikipedia:Fair use]] for a general overview. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 06:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC) ::: I guess transcribing Audio Books in Full in it's language is not Fair Use. Ok, Let me rephrase the other question... ::: Does Wikibooks allow Audio Books that is translated & transcribed by a Wikibooks editor ? --[[User:Eternal-Entropy|Eternal-Entropy]] ([[User talk:Eternal-Entropy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eternal-Entropy|contribs]]) 07:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC) ::::If the content is right for a textbook and the original is under a license compatible with Wikibooks, yes... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 10:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC) ::::And this is the key point - the copyright exists in the original material. You can't just convert it into another format to avoid the copyright. For example, a DVD doesn't become free to use because you convert it into an MPEG-4 video. If the original audio book is copyrighted, then you can't transcribe it here. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span> ]]^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 18:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC) ::::: Ok, thanks --[[User:Eternal-Entropy|Eternal-Entropy]] ([[User talk:Eternal-Entropy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eternal-Entropy|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC) == Compatibility of the ETHZ Oberon license with CC-by-SA. == The Oberon license is at ftp://ftp.ethoberon.ethz.ch/ETHOberon/license.txt. In case it is offline, there is a copy at http://easthope.ca/OberonUsage.html; scroll down a little to see it. According my elementary understanding, the Oberon license is compatible with CC-by-SA. Within Wikibooks, is there a formal process to determine compatibility? Can anyone offer an opinion? Thanks, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterEasthope|contribs]]) 15:11, 4 October 2016 (UTC) :The only process I know is to ask on [[w:Wikipedia:Media copyright questions]]. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 18:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC) == Typo == {{edit protected|answered=yes}} Change "the GNU Free Documentation License. unversioned, ..." to "the GNU Free Documentation License, unversioned, ...". (This same typo existed on English Wikipedia (and was removed earlier today) and still exists on English Wikispecies currently). --[[User:Pokechu22|Pokechu22]] ([[User talk:Pokechu22|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokechu22|contribs]]) 18:29, 19 March 2021 (UTC) : {{re|Pokechu22}} {{done}} [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 18:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC) == Update to CC 4.0 == {{edit protected|answered=yes}} The [[:foundation:Policy:Terms of Use#7. Licensing of Content|license]] has been already updated from CC 3.0 to 4.0. Could you please update this page? Thanks. cc{{re|Leaderboard}} [[User:SCP-2000|SCP-2000]] ([[User talk:SCP-2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SCP-2000|contribs]]) 04:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC) : {{re|SCP-2000}} {{done}} [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 06:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC) == Edit request == {{edit protected|answered=yes}} Under "Re-use of text", please change "{{tq|you must license them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0 or later}}" to "{{tq|you must license them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike License 4.0 or later}}", per [https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-considerations/compatible-licenses/]. [[User:ObserveOwl|ObserveOwl]] ([[User talk:ObserveOwl|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ObserveOwl|contribs]]) 19:24, 23 August 2025 (UTC) :{{done}}. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 02:15, 1 September 2025 (UTC) lazcll893az1gj18ev0io7swpqp1sxa 5 7346 4639422 4409464 2026-06-08T19:22:07Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639422 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Info|'''This page is for discussing [[Wikibooks:Reading room|the Reading Room]].''' Other queries should go on one of the reading room subpages:<br/> *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/General|General]] - for general inquiries about the Wikibooks project *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals|Proposals]] - for suggesting improvements to Wikibooks *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/Projects|Projects]] - for help and organization of specific projects or books *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/Assistance|Assistance]] - for getting help, particularly for new users *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/Technical Assistance|Technical assistance]] - for getting technical assistance with the [[m:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software and wiki markup *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance|Administrative assistance]] - for getting help from [[WB:ADMIN|administrators]], including vandalism reports *[[Wikibooks:Reading room/Bulletin Board|Bulletin Board]] - for posting announcements relevant to all editors of Wikibooks. }} {{TOC|float=none}} == Page blanking == Sorry for the inadvertent blanking of the page. I consistently have this problem on Wikipedia as well. I edit a page, and the edit goes through, and on rare occasions MSIE brings up an error page instead of the page I should be viewing. Then no matter what I do, the page gets blanked. I wish I knew how to prevent it... --[[User:Furrykef|Furrykef]] 10:32, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC) :No problem. [[User:Perl|Perl]] 13:48, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC) == 2d level headers == Some of the 2d-level headers on the Lounge page should now probably get their own Wikibooks: namespace page; for instance, a copyrights FAQ. Those that I made separate pages for (Project ideas, bookshelf ideas, etc.) might be better suited for the Wikibooks: namespace also; le me know what you think, or just move them if the desire strikes you. [[User:Sj|Sj]] 22:20, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC) == Make this page easier to find! == I've just spent 10 minutes trying to find this page! I'm an active contributor to Wikimedia projects, in particular Wikipedia, and still couldn't locate the equivalent of the 'Village Pump'. I couldn't find it in the help, on the 'wikiversity' page (which I assumed was the equivalent to the 'community portal' on Wikipedia, as it is in the same location on the nav-bar) or at the 'study help desk' which was the first place I tried. I also tried typing in 'wikibooks:Village pump' to no avail. Whilst it is nice to have cute names like 'staff lounge' it is not very practical - some sort of consistency across projects would be useful. At least [[Wikibooks:Village pump]] should be a redirect (which I have just made it). Having finally found the page (from 'recent changes, and even then it's not necessarily obvious that 'staff lounge' is the place to go) I thought of checking the main page - but even then I couldn't find a link. Please consider making this a little more friendly towards existing Wikimedia users - after all, I imagine that is where most contributors will come from! --[[User:HappyDog|HappyDog]] 00:50, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) : I agree. Since http://en.wikiversity.org/ is already reserved, I would also support the idea of moving the Wikiversity there as quickly as possible, and give Wikibooks again a real community portal page. Who has the power of doing this? --[[User:Andreas Ipp|Andreas]] 14:34, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC) :: Done. It's now one of the first links on the [[Main Page]]. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 20:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC) == Wiki promotion == I am in interested in giving public speeches regarding Wikimedia projects, especially this one. I was unable to find any sort of packet to help promote the project. It would seem that creating information on how to talk about the Wiki culture and get people interested in Wikibooks. The goals of a Wiki have obvious answers and many of the ethics that regard wikis are easily found, however a document with answers to pressing questions that one would be confronted with in a presentation would be a worthy endeavor. Is there a WikiBook regarding the promotion of Wiki, and certain specific Wikis present and I have missed it possibly? Thanks in Advance. --[[User:Arckanghel|Arckanghel]] 03:28, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) : ''Is there a WikiBook regarding the promotion of Wiki...?'' I think [[Wiki Science]] is intended to discuss promoting and presenting wiki, but it's a long way from being finished. Are there any "pressing questions" that it doesn't answer? Please add those questions to the book, even if you don't yet know the answers. The [http://wiklossary.nearlythere.com/ wiklossary] is also intended to help new people learn about wiki culture. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 08:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC) == Wikibook news? == I don't want to spend ages searching. I keep coming up against negatiev comments about this venture and [[wikiversity]] and there's little discussion here and of long ago. Is it dying? I'm trying to read and edit Philosophy here and it's very slow compared with [[wikipedia]] and needs work which I don't yet know how to do to move from one page to another more easily. If I am out of order, please excuse: I'm just trying to learn. And why am I 81.86.91.82 and not a name? [[User:81.86.91.82|81.86.91.82]] 08:29, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Wikibooks isn't dying, it's just very, very small compared to Wikipedia. We have maybe a few hundred pages in a few dozen books, they have 500,000 pages! Also, most of the contributors here have already had experience with Wikipedia so don't often have any new questions, leaving this Staff lounge eerily quiet. And the books rarely have unnecessary pages added so there's very little deletion activity either. :As for how to "be a name, not a number", you can [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]] and specify a username. Accounts don't carry over between Wikimedia projects, you have to start a new account on each Wiki you want to have an identity on. :As for how to move information around, it depends. If you want to move a section of text to a different page, just copy and paste from one edit box into the next, ideally saying something like "copied Plato section from Introduction page" or whatnot in the edit box, just to acknowledge you didn't write it but are merely moving it. If you want to put something on a new page just [[create a link to your new page's name]] and click through to edit it. If you want to move an existing page to a new name you will need both an account and a certain number of edits (I think) to unlock the function. :I hope that's answered everything, and if not you can ask some more. Oh and if you want a page moved but find you don't have the power (again, I forget if a number of edits are required like for WP) just give me a shout [[User talk:Master Thief Garrett|on my Talk page]] and I'll do it for you in a jiffy. :) [[User:Master Thief Garrett|Master Thief Garrett]] 13:42, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) ::In contrast to what Master Thief Garrett says, please do '''not''' copy and paste articles to move them. Please move them according to [[WB:MOVE|policy]]. --[[User:Cromwellt|Cromwellt]]|[[User talk:Cromwellt|talk]] 07:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC) == Controversial Issues == Your site mentions a list but gives no link. I have a real problem with wikibooks making available information which is ONLY useful to cause harm. To claim to have a neutral point of view is intellectually vacuous. Everybody is biased. English speakers are, humans are and so are warm blooded animals. Anyway, if Wiki is going to pretend to be above any common sense or judgement then I predict it will fail because sooner or later it will be linked to egregious acts which it contributed to in a reprehensible way. On the other hand, could you direct me to the wikibooks on hacking, virus writing, getting away with rape and murder and how to run a con on an old lady? Thanks! - [[User:63.81.122.66|63.81.122.66]] : First of all, the NPOV debate has been going on forever. Philosophically it's all a bunch of nonsense anyway, so I'd just forget about it. The point they're trying to make is that you should be aware that if you post something too controversial, another user may delete it. That's about all you can really say in practical terms. : Regarding the other issue, it's fallacious to believe that a book entitled, say, "How to get away with rape and murder", is only of use to those who may seek to commit those crimes. It would also serve as a guide for those who wish to prevent themselves falling victim to the same crimes, since, without knowing how these crimes work, there is no way to defend yourself against them. Arguably the same information would be available in a book entitled "How to protect yourself from rape and murder". - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 19:55, 1 August 2005 (UTC) : Has anyone seen my +1 Mace of Troll-Slaying...? :P [[User:Odd bloke|Odd bloke]] 15:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC) :: First off, the NPOV thing isnt going to cause the downfall of wiki. People might not be perfect, but i see no reason why this project can't try to rise above the mob. Many institutions in this world have risen up out of the nonsense that is "the masses". Second, we are currently in an undeletion debate over the "Manual of Crime" book here. The general concensus is to delete that book because it is not a good thing to have here. We also, to my knowledge, don't have any books on hacking or virus authoring. We do have a book on software reverse engineering, although that book stresses the legal methods, and not the illegal ones. --{{User Whiteknight Sig|Whiteknight}} 18:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC) [[WB:NPOV]] is a better place to discuss this. == Wiki etiquette? == I've come across a page with some dreadfully inaccurate information. I have materials with correct information that I've already written. Is it considered rude to erase someone else's incorrect info and replace it with a new, correct article? Thanks, [[User:Enyo|Enyo]] Nov 2 2005, 12:46 PST : Hello Enyo. I'd say the person or people who compiled the page <i>might</i> take umbrage at your rewriting it completely, but if you leave a note on its talk page gently indicating why you did whatever you might do, I'd hope they'd be less likely just to revert whatever contribution you make. Even if they did, you and they would then have the material on record with which to try to reach some consensus. A friendly reminder (to myself as well, as I type it): One person's correct and unbiased info might be another's incorrect and biased propaganda, so strive for as [[m:NPOV|NPOV]] a presentation as possible. I think that's the idea. : Best wishes, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 23:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC) Hmm.... The subject is a long, extended period in history that currently only has a few paragraphs under a couple of headings. There are only two paragraphs that I would replace, as each one comprises its own section. What I would replace it with is much longer, more detailed, and so forth. I'm wondering if, at this point, perhaps it would be less problematic if I just a.) didn't bother or b.) set it up another page. Of course, I could always cite sources correcting this info in the talk section, which would assist in making it less of a slap, right? Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, while I *take* criticism very well, I suck at tactfully giving it to strangers. :P Thanks, --[[User:Enyo|Enyo]] 00:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC) : If you're at all worried that altering the current page might open some floodgates of rebuke, I'd say place your version on an alternate page and perhaps add a link to it at (say) the top of the original page. (I happen to've done something along these lines recently, although without adding a link on the original page; see [[Wikijunior Solar System/About gravity, mass, and weight]] and [[Wikijunior Solar System/About weight and gravity]] - and by all means leave a comment if you wish!). Note however that this would create a fork in the material between the original page and your alternative that would need to be closed before a version of the book could be declared complete. : I reckon, though, there shouldn't be any great problem if you went ahead and edited/replaced the original; whatever you do, the original will be retained in the history. [[m:Be bold|"Be bold!"]] is, I believe, the order of the day - and I'd say cite your sources on whichever page you use for your material rather than a talk page. : Should you need any support or a third-party opinion, just give me a shout. Good luck!</br> : [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 04:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC) See, I'm brand spanking new to Wikipedia. I'd started writing a text on this subject based on my research that I'd collected over the years on the subject for NaNoWriMo. Generally, when I start some creative endeavor, my husband points out something similar in nature that's already been done and tells me that there's no point in trying to reinvent the wheel. This time, he pointed out the utter lack of what I'm attempting, and suggested that I add to Wikibooks. (He believes that wikipedia and her sister projects are the greatest things in the history of the internet.) So, I don't really know if there's Wiki-cliques and so forth. I try to not make a huge splash until I get to know the lay of the land (like mailing lists, blog sites, and so forth), and this is kind of my effort to learn wikirules before I start slashing and burning someone *else*'s efforts. After all, someone took the time to attempt to disseminate information that they, for some reason, believed to be true and correct. Does a virtual stranger have the right to come in and kick over their sand castle, even if it *is* done in the pursuit of knowledge? Or does wikiculture place higher status on the correctness of information versus someone's feelings? You know, I really do appreciate your feedback to this babe in the woods. :-) I've already gone ahead and started a new page, since I'd done that without understanding that it *is* okay to edit someone else's work, and it's designed to be done that way. Until I hear from the project's organizers, I'll just do that. :-) *goes and checks out the contributer in question* Hmm... Maybe it's not such the big deal that I'd thought it might be. The author in question has only made three contributions to Wikibooks, all three of them relating only to those two paragraphs. I might be worrying about hurt feelings for nothing. --[[User:Enyo|Enyo]] 04:38, 3 November 2005 (UTC) : Hello again. Yes, from evidence such as the lists [[m:Wikipedian|here]] I suspect there are "Wiki-cliques", although I don't know how far supporting a clique (subconsciously) features in members' activites. I'd say a good way to 'learn the rules' &ndash; or rather, 'a constructive way to work' &ndash; is to [[m:Be Bold|be bold]] and see what gives. Don't forget that even if you feel you're "kicking over some's sandcastle", their magnum opus is only one step back in the history attached to every editable page. I'd also say (hope) that as regards prioritising being correct and being sensitive, wikiculture just doesn't go there (at least not officially) but rather leaves an ever-fluctuating balance to emerge between the two. Well, something like that. : Congratulations on your unspartan but concise new page, which I think is appropriate as it whets the appetite without expanding everything mentioned. I haven't located the page it's meant to replace, but if that page is as you descibe I'd say you might as well replace it with your work. Remember, the original page will be retained in the history. To aid those who want to read further, how about turning a few keywords into links to other pages in the wikibook, or Wikipedia articles, etc &ndash; even if they are yet to brought into existence (i.e. the links appear in red) ? &nbsp;I've created five within [[Ancient History/Greece/Sparta|the first three paragraphs]] as examples, all but one pointing to Wikipedia articles; if you decide to take up my suggestion (it's entirely up to you; you may prefer the plain text) then these may in turn be better made to point to other relevant pages/sections in the wikibook as it grows. I've also taken the liberty &ndash; shock horror &ndash; <i>not</i> (I hope you'll be relieved to hear) to "knock over your sandcastle" but to edit it a little, including changing a couple of phrases that read to me as unattributed [[w:POV|POV]]s. As with everything that happens to an editable page, you're welcome to revert the changes, in this case with the extra knowledge that the person who made the changes won't be offended. You certainly might want to remove the comments (the stuff between and including the <nowiki><!--</nowiki> and <nowiki>--></nowiki> markings) that I've added as a consequence. Many of my changes are simply alternative suggestions to your turns of phrase (i.e. perhaps more international). : Best wishes, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 06:30, 4 November 2005 (UTC) : PS Had not heard of "NaNoWriMo" before you mentioned it above &ndash; it sounds frantic, exactly the kind of thing that would drive me mad and probably therefore why I enjoy wiki-style contributing...! == Staff Lounge Page Size == Any chance this can be made smaller by archiving some of the discussions? It's just that this page in particular takes much longer to load than any other Wikibooks pages I visited. [[User:Xania|Xania]] 20:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC) :We do try to archive this page pretty regularly, but we also don't like to archive discussions that aren't over. If you see something that you think can probably be archived, you can feel free to do so. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 21:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC) ::OK great. When I figure out how to then I might. [[User:Xania|Xania]] 21:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC) == Help Me == I am new to Wikibooks. Could someone please give me a welcome message like Wikipedia does? Thanks, [[User:Asher Heimermann|Asher Heimermann]] 20:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC) == New design == /me likes --[[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 07:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC) :Thanks, I spent about 2 or 3 hours on it yesterday. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC) :: Kudos WK. It looks good. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 15:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC) == "source" HTML markup == I noticed that the computer science texts generally use indentation for example source code, as follows #!/usr/bin/perl for ($x = 0; $x < 10; $x++) { print "number $x"; } rather than the HTML "source" markup: <source lang="perl"> #!/usr/bin/perl for ($x = 0; $x < 10; $x++) { print "number $x"; } </source> Is it appropriate to use the "source" attribute? --[[User:Dinomite|Dinomite]] 17:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC) :It is appropriate, and if you have the expertise, maybe you could work on updating some of them? The &lt;source&gt; tags are a relatively new addition to the software, so many older books don't have it. I tried to update the python book using bot to use the source tags, but there were so many irregularities among the code examples that I made more of a mess then I fixed. If you can do some, that would be great. Otherwise, maybe we could start making a list of pages that need to be updated, so everybody could participate? --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 21:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC) == What's up with the over-protection == Coming from the most vandalized wiki (the English Wikipedia), I have to say there is an unsettling amount of page protection going on here. This runs counter to the defining quality of wikis, which makes them so great. I saw a couple of simple typos I wanted to correct, but couldn't because they were protected. I don't know if these pages are fully protected or just semi-protected (no anon edits), but it doesn't really matter. As editing Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Commons, takes up all my time already, I have no plans to be a consistent or even semi-consistent editor for WikiBooks, and thus see no reason to create a user account at this time. With me, WikiBooks is only losing two trivial edits, but in general is probably losing much much more as far as potential editors go. A few years ago, I merely read articles on Wikipedia and didn't think to edit them, however after seeing some obvious spelling and grammar errors, that "edit this page" button was just begging to be clicked on. Everytime I ran into an error when reading articles, I would fix it. I found myself going out of my way to correct articles (i.e. going to pages I had no interest in reading). When I got involved to the point where I was going to talk and other namespace pages, I decided to get a username to be part of the community - not to simply edit articles. If I didn't have this open experience, I wouldn't be a Wikipedia editor at all, let alone a very dedicated one. I got involved with Commons and Wiktionary in much the same way, usually because of trans-wiki linking. Likewise, I came here to find a appropriate link to use on Wikipedia, saw a couple of errors I wanted to correct on my way, which could have been my first step into being a full-time editor, but got derailed by all the protected pages. I'm sure others feel the same. This is very unfortunate, as WikiBooks has lots of potential, but desperately needs more editors. Vandalism sucks, but it's small price to pay for freedom. Vandals are annoying, but editors are more important. On Wikipedia, we have a behavioral guideline called "[[w:WP:AGF|Assume good faith]]", I suggest WikiBooks adopt this too. Sincerely, one less editor aka [[User:68.74.158.43|68.74.158.43]] 17:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC) :I'm sorry you won't be editing. I'm not sure which pages you're referring to. So far as I know, Wikibooks actually has far less page protection than Wikipedia. Assuming good faith doesn't mean unprotecting everything; there is a balance to be had. If you like, feel free to tell us where the balance is off. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; ^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 18:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC) ::''moved to [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#What's up with the over-protection]]'' ::Pages which are high-profile tend to be protected because of long histories of vandalism and abuse. Due to extensive blocking of open proxies, this may no longer be an issue of concern, but nobody yet has breeched the subject of unprotecting these pages. Some pages which are not high-profile may also have been protected because of some vandalism in the past, and simply never been unprotected as they should have been. In these cases, you should let us know which pages are protected, and mention that they likely shouldn't be. Most pages that are protected against vandalism are only protected against anonymous users. It's a price that we have been willing to pay to help prevent vandalism. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC) :: Too much of a price in my opinion. One of the very basic principles of Wikis are that ANYONE can edit. I can possibly understand a temporary protection of hghly vandalised Wikipedia pages like George W Bush but on Wikibooks no page other than the main page or the userpage of highly active admins needs protection. Anonymous users should be made as welcome as anyone else. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 22:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC) :::I would tend to agree with you xania. Vandalism has decreased dramatically, and many of the pages that used to be high-traffic (such as the bookshelves) are being rendered obsolete. I think that there are very few pages now that need to be protected, and with few exceptions I think that we can unprotect them as we find them. There are a few pages, such as the main page and some of the policy pages that I think probably should stay protected, but that's a matter of personal preference. Also, I am keeping my own personal user and user talk pages move-protected as insurance against page-move vandalism, but that's also just a personal preference. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC) :::Lately if I protect a page, I have been making use of the expire field to limit the protection to 3 months, so it expires on its own without accidentally forgetting about it. Maybe including an expire time should be encouraged more for any pages that are protected. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC) ::::That's a good idea too. Lots of pages that have been protected historically were protected before the automatic expiration feature was added to the software. In the future, most page protections likely should have an expiration. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 00:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC) :::::Expiry is definitely a Good Idea. I'd warn against wholesale unprotection though; pages should be unprotected on a case-by-case basis (just as they are protected on a case-by-case basis). Of course it's hard to weigh the issue when we don't know which page this person is talking about. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; ^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 02:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC) I agree with both of you. We should have a short list of highly-vandalised books which can be protected and make sure that any other protections are done with an expiry date or a month or so. Personal pages obviously are excluded as it's your choice whether you want to protect it or not (I protected mine a while ago so it's probably still protected). [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 00:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC) == Account blocked == Hello, I am User:Pigsonthewing here, and on Wikiepdia (you can contact me by e-mail from the latter, for verification). My account here is listed as "permanently blocked" because of vandalism by another user. I have no idea what that's about. Can I reclaim the account? [[Special:Contributions/81.5.140.5|81.5.140.5]] ([[User talk:81.5.140.5|talk]]) 19:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC) :I imagine so - place a request at [[WB:RENAME]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 01:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC) :: Thank you, will do. [[Special:Contributions/81.5.140.5|81.5.140.5]] ([[User talk:81.5.140.5|talk]]) 14:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC) ==AQA Chemistry Help== I am --[[User_talk:Jjkkll|Jjkkll]] here, and i am editing the A2 section of the AQA A level Chemistry wiki book, but need help redirecting the pages so they fall under the parent hierarchy. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Chemistry/AQA : Hi Jjkkll. I know I said I didn't have time (and thus pointed you here), but then... lunch happened and I had time. I moved several pages and relinked to them. Let me know if you notice that I missed something. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 16:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC) ::And... I just noticed two things that didn't quite go right. I moved the pages to "A-level Chemistry/AQA/Module N" where N is either 4 or 5. However, two of these modules already had content in them. Therefore, I deleted the existing content, completed the move, deleted the new content, and then restored both the new and the old. You might want to have a look at the history of these two modules to see if you want to keep any of the old material: [[A-level Chemistry/AQA/Module 4/Kinetics]] and [[A-level Chemistry/AQA/Module 4/Polymers]]. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 16:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Hey, thank for that, it make it easier!. Could that have been done by me or do you have to have moderator privileges? Anyway iv dumped all the info for the Module 5 sections onto the individual pages, now i will need to format them correctly and add the images which go with the text, but need to wait 4 days so i can upload images. --[[User:Jjkkll|Jjkkll]] ([[User talk:Jjkkll|talk]]) 23:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC) :Most of it did not require admin privs, but you might not have been able to move the pages yet (I think your account has to be four days old - dunno when you created yours). I also deleted the orphan redirects, and that does require admin privs. The rest was just a bit of editing. Anyhow, you're very welcome, and we're glad you're here. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC) == need help you guys == hello wikibooks, thank you for helping me help. I am a new student who majored in anthropology in Indonesia. I am very interested in this, I need your help? if you guys could help me to give you a little about why the birth of a sociology of human life, and how sociology can get to another country? and how the thinking of sociology in generally? please give me reason thank you I am new to Wikibooks. Can anyone suggest me how to see books? :Sociology (only applies to human societies, even if structured societies aren't exclusively human). I would venture stating that today we live in a globalized world that social differences are increasingly diminishing making divergences more cultural artifacts than social imperatives. :Sociology, the reflection or study of social interactions, social institutions and the individual in society is often pointed as rooted in Wester philosophies but I think that it would be safe to state that no society could have been evolved in complexity without proper reflection about the desired structure (the vested interests of participants). :I do not understand fully your question "how sociology can get to another country?", the pursuit of social sciences and science in general is not limited by borders. On the other hand sociology lives by access to social data, I guess that in a closed or secretive societies there may some difficulties but as all science today it depends on the academia. :Wikibooks related to Sociology are listed in [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sociology Subject:Sociology]. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 14:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC) == Contacting Wikibooks participants == Hi, I just wanted to know why some user names on WikiBook come up as red and say that the user does not exists and others are in blue? What does this mean? Also I wanted to know how I get in contact with a person if I have their wiki name, how would I go about finding their personal wiki page? [[User:SmithBiancaAnn|SmithBiancaAnn]] ([[User talk:SmithBiancaAnn|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SmithBiancaAnn|contribs]]) 13:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC) : Replied on [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Assistance#Contacting Wikibooks participants]]. Please follow up there. — [[User:Ivan Shmakov|Ivan Shmakov]] ([[User talk:Ivan Shmakov|d]] ▞ [[Special:Contributions/Ivan Shmakov|c]]) 13:49, 2 April 2014 (UTC) == Linking within Wikibooks == Hi there, I was wondering how to link a Wikipedia as a link rather than a reference within a wikibooks article? Thanks! [[User:Megan4pmGlasses|Megan4pmGlasses]] ([[User talk:Megan4pmGlasses|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Megan4pmGlasses|contribs]]) 13:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC) : This has already been recently discussed in one of the reading rooms, which is the appropriate place (this is the ''talk'' page for the reading room, a place to discuss the reading rooms). : See [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Assistance#Blue text]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 14:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC) == How do you become an administrator? == Hello! I was wondering how do you become an administrator? Thanks, [[User:BIG BOYS&#61;FUN|☺☺Visit my user page☺☺]] ([[User talk:BIG BOYS&#61;FUN|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/BIG BOYS&#61;FUN|contribs]]) 14:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC) P. S. <big>PLEASE TELL ME ON MY TALK PAGE. Thanks!</big> == Links within Text == I am fairly new to Wikibooks and I am trying to add hyperlinks to my content. I was wondering if you could give me some tips or ideas regarding the best ways to go about this. [[User:Mich.henderson|Mich.henderson]] ([[User talk:Mich.henderson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mich.henderson|contribs]]) 21:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC) I would like to know how to link in text and also how to cite sources or reference with wikibooks.[[User:Pamela.nx|Pamela.nx]] ([[User talk:Pamela.nx|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pamela.nx|contribs]]) 08:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC) :Please see [[Using Wikibooks]]. [[User:QuiteUnusual|QuiteUnusual]] ([[User talk:QuiteUnusual|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/QuiteUnusual|contribs]]) 10:51, 2 March 2016 (UTC) == Is it allowed to for one to create their own story or novel on Wikibooks? == It is Wikibooks. [[User:Doorknob747|Doorknob747]] ([[User talk:Doorknob747|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doorknob747|contribs]]) 02:54, 26 March 2015 (UTC) : Hi, [[User:Doorknob747|Doorknob747]]. No, Wikibooks is for open-source textbooks. A work of fiction would be an original work, so we wouldn't allow it here. ([[WB:What is Wikibooks?]]) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 10:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC) == Bad archive access button == [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room&diff=prev&oldid=1664448 Here] (in 2009) a "kind of link" for getting access to "Current discussions and archives" is supposedly added. I do not know what it was supposed to do; but the implementation did and does involve a "searchbutton" with the label "Search current discussions and archives". Pushing this button yielded (presently) a list of 304 pages with the prefix "Wikibooks:Reading room" in a rather scrambled order. First come a few subpages, then some archives from 2015, then some archives from 2009 and 2010, When I pushed it again later, the archives from 2015 were gone from the first 40 items, but there were a number of even older archives added; these 40 items now contain some archives from 2003 to 2013 (inclusive). The order they appear inseemingly has nothing to do with the dates of last changes. '''The reason for the touble seems to be, that there is a search filter''' ::''fulltext=Search+current+discussions+and+archives'' '''However, to search pages for the occurrense of the word '''''current''''' is ''not at all'' the optimal way to find the most current pages.''' (:-) If someone knows how to implement a search by latest date of change instead, that would be great. Else, that button could preferrably be removed, and perhaps the page [[WB:Reading room/Archives]] instead updated a bit, I think. [[User:JoergenB|JoergenB]] ([[User talk:JoergenB|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JoergenB|contribs]]) 17:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC) == Park Health Master Document Donation == I'm looking to donate this book that I'm outlining But the evolution of it is running on MS Word, Google Docs, as well as GitBooks [https://sbcph.sharepoint.com/:w:/s/SBCPH-DOCS/EXV7VZNg9k9Js9cSDCaTaXkB44ZrbV1h-UA6MKjM4S31qw?e=qbafSp PARKHEALTH_MASTERDOCUMENT.docx] Does that violate Wikibooks policies? Our core value at Park Health is opensource [[File:Open Source as an Organizational Value in Economics.png|thumb]] [[User:Rolodexter1|Rolodexter1]] ([[User talk:Rolodexter1|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rolodexter1|contribs]]) 18:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC) == Is there any audio form of asking questions? == Hello Wikibooks I like interactive question and answer in audio format, please make provision for it. [[User:Christmas videos|Christmas videos]] ([[User talk:Christmas videos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Christmas videos|contribs]]) 20:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC) :Currently, I don't know of any way to do that. Is the problem that you're trying to ask a question about how Wikibooks functions and you think that audio/video is a better way to ask it than text or is the problem that you want Wikibooks to host audio/video media as part of its content? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 18:16, 27 March 2022 (UTC) :I can think of a way for a question to be asked in an audio file, then have the subject respond with traditional multiple choice, text input, etc. Is that OK? [[User:Mbrickn|Mbrickn]] ([[User talk:Mbrickn|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mbrickn|contribs]]) 01:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC) 6up48lgd6pdy5ecei4v8yrngsrjqsk0 5 8873 4639405 4448483 2026-06-08T18:52:00Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639405 wikitext text/x-wiki {{archives}} ==Move to enforced== The vote at [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Policy/Vote/Deletion_Policy vote for deletion policy] showed consensus. The discussion of a move to enforced at the staff lounge was unopposed. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 11:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Removing "Blatant vandalism" from SD criteria == Currently we have these two among the criteria for SD: : ''A page with no [[#Meaningful content|meaningful content]]. Always check the history of the page, as this nonsense may have replaced good content. If this is the case, simply revert to the last good version.'' and : ''Blatant vandalism. This would be obvious offensive language or completely unrelated content to the Wikibook it is associated with. Make sure that the page that has been vandalized does not have prior history that can simply be reverted, then blank the page and add the deletion tag.'' "Meaningful content" includes: : ''Vandalism (including linkspamming)'' I think the former criteria sufficiently includes the latter which I propose we remove. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 17:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC) : ''' Agree '''. The shorter policy pages are the better (in general anyway). --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 05:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC) : Vandalism isn't really defined under "Meaningful content" as it is for Blatant vandalism. I think perhaps either the definition of vandalism as defined by the blanant vandalism definition should be combined with vandalism definition under "Meaningful content" or it should be expanded to include an alternative definition of vandalism. Without a vandalism definition it is up to interpretation of what vandalism is and leaving vandalism undefined from this policy may not be a good idea as there seems to be some efforts by other contributors to Wikibooks to try to define other unwanted contents in addition to whats already in this policy. Perhaps we could also change the section name to "No meaningful content"? As it is now the name is misleading when what is pointed out is examples of what is not meaningful content rather then what is meaningful content. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 10:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC) :'''Oppose'''. It's a small change, and while the one might be implied in the definition of the other, I can't see any reason to remove a small amount of text at the expense of removing clarity. Wiki isn't paper, remember, and we can afford to be a little verbose now and again. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC) :'''Oppose''' - As the author who put this phrase into the speedy delete criteria, I wanted to be very plain about the fact that you don't have to hold a VfD over vandalism. There is content that has been added as a deliberately malicious nature sometimes to a page, and an admin should have the authority to get rid of this stuff. It may be "meaningful content" in some sense of the word, but the person who added it is clearly trying to cause problems for the main contributors of the module or Wikibook. Yes, this is something that requires good judgement, which is one of the reasons why we get so paranoid about accepting new admins and often turn down requests for adminship. In most cases the vandalism is so obvious that having a second admin review it is more than sufficient, if there is cause to doubt the actions of a particular admin. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 08:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC) == Moving Content of books == I take this <del>change</del><ins>chance</ins> to ask that when people move text out of books (even if they get deleted) should give the right credits on the destination work as requested by the GFDL. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 16:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC) : "I take this change to ask..." I don't understand what you've just said. What change? Could you rephrase? :: Sorry. change -> chance :), besides my normal error level, I have now the flue :)... :: This refers to (GFDL on 5. COMBINING DOCUMENTS), as I it seems to me that most users that move pages from books to books do that without regards to that stipulation. Another point that should be useful to state on the policy it that even if books are deleted on Wikibook there are other servers that can have the old content replicated. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC) ::: I agree that GFDL documents mustn't break the license ... but what does that have to do with [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]? This policy concerns itself with the criteria and process of removing pages; not combining them. A little context to your suggestion would be useful. :::: It relates to ''Guidelines for admins'', it should be added there as a reminder to admins merging content, nothing more.--[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 01:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC) ::: "''there are other servers that can have the old content replicated.''" I don't see any reason whatsoever for including this in the page. If you really think it is important, please start a new section for it. ::: Hope your flue gets better! --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 01:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC) :::: Most people may interpret that by a decision to delete here, the content is '''destroyed''' it can prove advantageous not only to refer that other systems do mirror the content but that the user is free to copy it elsewhere under the GFDL license, this can ease the affected user disposition regarding a passed decision to delete. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 01:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC) :::::I agree with that sentiment, We should make it more clear that content deleted here, since it is under the GFDL, is free to be copied or transferred to another location. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC) == Vote and changes == Any call for a vote or the approval of this policy must be depend on the approval of [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks]], this should also be stated on it's text as it may depend on the this other policy. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 16:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC) : This policy has already [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Deletion_policy&diff=471583&oldid=462789 been approved]. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 21:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC) :: Well that change is a state of fact, there wouldn't be a need for a formal proposal (on that change) but I came here from a link that stated that it the policy was under discussion... Sorry, but my point remains valid, do you think it changes the actual intention of the policy and a proposal is needed ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC) :::I dont think this policy needs to be altered or updated unless blatant problems can be found in it (and I can't see any on quick inspection). --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC) This policy has been formally approved for some time, and I was involved with the decision. [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote/Deletion Policy|This is the actual page]] where the voting took place, and IMHO similar kinds of votes should also happen. All of this said, there is some concern over what was voted on and the current state of this policy. [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Deletion_policy&diff=cur&oldid=366253 See this diff] to compare what has changed from the version that was voted upon. While most of what has been modified is relatively benign and insignificant, there are a few points that did make some major policy changes that have crept in. Those changes IMHO are something that can and should be debated upon. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 08:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC) :I think the [[Wikibooks:Decision making]] policy precludes the use of large, elaborate voting mechanisms as were used when this policy was accepted. Many of the changes that you point out in that diff link were discussed, either in this talk page, or in other locations before they were enacted. In general, I think a less-formal system is far preferred over all sorts of formal nonsense anyway (special voting pages, etc). Regardless, I can't imagine that we need to put the currently accepted text of this policy to a new vote to confirm it. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 01:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC) ---- To avoid confusing and restatement of the points, the actual policy should be reverted and the now changed text (contested) should be moved to an unstable version of the same policy (I will also add my proposed changes later) and in the talk page should be stated that the text should be analyzed and debated but a formal approval will only be performed after the [[Wikibooks:Decision making]] policy is closed. Any one disagrees ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 03:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC) :I would disagree, I dont think the text of the page should be reverted unless specific points are challenged. Keep in mind that wikibookians are encouraged to '''be bold''', and many changes, edits, and improvements are instituted by bold wikibookians trying to fix problems without alot of hassle. By all means, create an unstable version if you want (i have some things to add and change as well), but dont revert the current text of the policy. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 03:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC) :: Yup I do agree with you, but under the ''be bold'' if a user should make a substantial change to a policy, the points shouldn't be challenged, the opposing user should revert and state why, if the originator of the change should find that the reversion did in some way reduced the advancement of a point or he wishes to propose that point for adoption then he should make an unstable version to propose the change. On simple terms it is up to the one that wants to push a change to get the trouble of defending it, other Wikibookians should prevent any changes that alters the spirit of the adopted policy on the active policy page. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 05:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC) == Why == Why did Jimbo Wales order the removal of video game guides from WikiBooks? You can reach me on Wikipedia's [[w:user:100110100|100110100]]; a response there would be greatly appreciated, thanks![[User:70.74.35.252|70.74.35.252]] 07:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC) :It wasn't so much an order by Jimbo as it was a manifestation of policy. Videogame strategy guides don't qualify as textbooks under [[WB:WIW|the inclusion criteria]], although exceptions have been made in the past. Jimbo's statements weren't so much a mandate against videogame guides as they were a reaffirmation of our pre-existing policy. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 13:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC) ::I strongly disagree on this point. It was not pre-existing policy, as there was no policy that even governed the concept. It wasn't even an exception to a particular inclusion policy. It was a few admins that took the words of (and IMHO mis-interpreted the suggestion of) Jimbo and did a mass deletion of Wikibooks content. Jimbo did come swinging onto Wikibooks and said that in his opinion they didn't belong here. And he tried to give several point that from his perspective, including a violation of the the Wikibooks charter. But when they were first removed it was in violation of this policy on this page, in both the spirit and the letter here. And general consensus within the Wikibooks community on this issue was never achieved. I still don't think it has, other than almost all of the supporters of keeping the video game books have been driven from Wikibooks instead. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 15:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC) :::The current text of WB:WIW is essentially the same as it was before Jimbo made his declaration. Some of the vaguarities, especially over the videogame guide issue, are the prime impetus to the new draft of that policy. If you look at the current text of WB:WIW, you will see a number of strong points that can be used to ban videogame strategy guides. Those guides were not banned, as they should have been, both because of rampant inclusionism, and the fact that wikibooks had been used as a dumping ground for lots of inappropriate material early in it's lifetime. The mistakes of the past, while they do form some sort of tradition or inertia, hardly make the fact "not so". Video game guides never really belonged here, nobody ever had the backbone to just kick them out. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 17:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC) ::::The video game books were not things that were "dumped" onto Wikibooks. I could name several items that were dumped here, but that was not among the problems mentioned here. Jimbo did change WB:WIW spontaneously and without discussion, and furthermore even after he changed the wording there, he didn't really explain what the change really meant or what the implications of that change would have for the project. It also created a huge firestorm of discussion for trying to "divine" the implications of the policy change, as Jimbo simply didn't say what he really meant other than three particular books had to be deleted. It was if the policy was to delete those books alone on his authority. And video game books were not on that list. ::::Again, Jimbo did suggest that the books didn't belong on Wikibooks, but at the same time concensus simply did not occur. The books were simply deleted. In regards to the rampant inclusionism, Wikibooks has been narrowing the defintion of what was included here for some time. But that process was one of a more gradual process. I will admit that the video game books did have significant opposition even before Jimbo came in and stirred up the pot, and it is possible that they may have eventually gone without Jimbo's interference. But to say that video game books never really belonged here and there was no support nor legitmate arguments in favor of keeping them on Wikibooks is very much missing the true feelings of Wikibooks at the time. ::::My strongest objection to what happened was that this policy was never even followed (and it did exist at the time!) Books were simply deleted without any discussion, and on the presumed authority of Jimbo. It wasn't until I started complaining that VfDs were started at all. And it should be very apparent from the VfDs of the time that substantial books were indeed voted off of this project and whole categories of books (like fiction) were removed as well. But it as done with widespread concensus. This did not happen with the video game guides. That video game books still exist on Wikibooks should be a testament that this concensus simply didn't happen, but that the contributors of those books were kicked off by aggressive administrators. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 04:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC) :::::Administrators do not need community consensus to delete manifest policy violations. Certainly consensus in those situations is a nice formality, but it isnt strictly required. It's why we have a category for speedy deletions in parallel to our normal VfD mechanism. Things on which there is no doubt about the inappropriateness of inclusion here can be deleted without first acquiring community consensus. The deletion policy says "when in doubt, nominate at VFD", which expressly leaves open an option for issues when there is no doubt. Jimbo did not need to explain his inclusion on the WB:WIW policy, the purpose and the implications were self evident: videogame guides do not belong here, and they should be deleted. When the oldest wikibookians agreed on the original text of WB:WIW (or the equivalent, since that's not what it was called), and agreed that wikibooks was for textbooks and not all manner of written work, consensus was acheived on this issue. We dont need community consensus again to confirm the text of that policy, it stands until the community agrees on a new version of it. Videogame guides always have been inappropriate here, and it was the fault of lazy admins in the past that they weren't removed like they should have been. the "aggressive admins" of the present time (of which I am proud to call myself a member) are simply following policy and making wikibooks a better place because of it. :::::Let's get one thing straight here: video game guides are not and never will be considered "textbooks". The fact that they were included here previously was a gross misjudgment by early wikibookians, and we are still dealing with that mess today. In all your complaints about this issue, Rob, you haven't once given good reason as to why videogame guides should not be summarily deleted. You talk about people not achieving consensus on the matter, you talk about the rashness of the decision, and you talk about Jimbo's lack of authority to make that call, but you are ignoring the fact that ''it was the right thing to do''. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC) ::::::Again, to suggest that there is a ''right'' thing to do is patently false because we are not dealing with an ethical decision. There are opinions about what action is most acceptable, but there is not a "right" or a "wrong" course of action. --[[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 19:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC) :::::::I'm not implying it's an ethical decision, perhaps i should have used the word "correct" instead of "right". Choice of vocabulary not withstanding, you aren't addressing the issue here: Videogame guides are not textbooks, and they should not be on wikibooks. Me using the wrong word doesnt make the point less valid. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 20:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC) == Hm? == Have you guys deleted the game guides because they were subjective, without verifibility?[[w:User:100110100|100110100 of Wikipedia]][[User:70.74.35.252|70.74.35.252]] 05:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC) :No, we were deleting the game guides because they are not academic and they are not textbooks. Wikibooks is not a host for all sorts of printed materials, we only host textbooks. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC) ::Why do books have to be academic and textbooks?[[w:User:100110100|100110100 of Wikipedia]][[User:198.161.51.2|198.161.51.2]] 19:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC) :::It's part of the [[WB:WIW|inclusion criteria]]. It's like me asking why do wikipedia articles need to be verifiable? Every project has their own criteria, and our criteria is that things must be "textbooks". Why doesnt wikipedia allow videogame strategy guides? Why doesnt wikinews allow them? Just because you really like the guides, and just because this seems like the best place for them doesnt mean that we should allow them here. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 20:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC) I strongly disagree with the general statement "because this seems like the best place for them doesn't mean that we should allow them here." Always put stuff at the best place for that stuff. And there is always a place somewhere for sincere, well-intended stuff[http://communitywiki.org/OnAndOffTopic]. If wikibooks is the best place for some text, then by all means, put that text on wikibooks. However, I agree with the specific statement that video game strategy guides don't belong on wikibooks. Video game strategy guides don't belong here, because there are much better places for them. Since one of my pet peeves is when people allude to "other places" but don't give enough information for me to find them, I'm going to list video games wiki here: * [http://worldforge.org/ the WorldForge project] * [http://wikixbox360.com/ WikiXbox360] * [http://wikidream.elwiki.com/ WikiDream] * [http://wikicheat.wiki-site.com/ wikicheat] * [http://wiki.ag.ru/ Wiki.AG: Absolute Games] * [http://wiki.gamer.free.fr/ Wiki gamer] * [http://wikigamesguide.com/ W.G.G. wiki games guide] * [http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/ Unofficial TransGaming Wiki] * [http://underground-gamer.com/wiki/ the Underground-Gamer Wiki] * [[Strategywiki:|Strategywiki]] -- has a nice Interwiki link * [http://www.strategyguidewiki.com/ Strategy Guide Wiki] * [http://gold-saucer.org/video-games/ Scientific Study of Video Games a.k.a. The Video Game Player's Encyclopedia] * [http://rpg.wikia.com/ RPG, the Wikia for role-playing gamers] * [http://wiki.rpg.net/ RPGnetWiki] * [http://wiki.roleplay.ru/ RoleWiki: encyclopedia of roleplay games] * [http://rpgmaker.wikia.com/ RPG Maker Wikia] * [http://pinwiki.org/ PinWiki] (for pinball games) * [http://en.nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/ the English Nintendo Wikia] * [http://nintendopedia.org/ Nintendopedia ] * [http://www.mywiki360.com/ My Wiki 360] * [http://editthis.info/modifieddesign/ Mod-ified Design Wiki] * [http://ifwiki.org/ IFWiki : interactive fiction] (text adventures) * [http://wiki.gp2x.org/ Gp2x dev wiki] * [http://editthis.info/geezermech_games/ GeezerMech Games] * [http://gamerwiki.com/ GamerWiki] * [http://www.gamepedia.info/index.php/ Gamepedia] * [http://gamecontractor.org/ Gamecontractor Wiki] * [http://gpwiki.org/ the game programming wiki] * [http://freegames.wiki.taoriver.net/ FreeGames wiki] * [http://faqs4games.com/ Faqs 4 Games wiki] * [http://egamia.com/wiki/ Encyclopedia Gamia] and [http://gameinfo.wikia.com/ Gameinfo Wikia] (now merged) * [http://cheatbase.wikia.com/ CheatBase] * [http://casualgamewiki.net/wiki/ the Casual Game Wiki] * [http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/ Build Your Own Arcade] There are also many other wiki dedicated to one particular video game or another. The next person who starts thinking about writing yet another video game guide on Wikibooks -- is there a better way to redirect him to one of these better locations for his efforts? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 05:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC) :We normally direct people to [[StrategyWiki:|StrategyWiki:]], but people are free to take the content to any of the above. The problem is that Wikibooks often ''seems'' like the best place to put content that doesn't belong on Wikipedia - if it doesn't fit inside their inclusion policy, it often ends up here. In the exact same way that Wikipedia has a strong inclusion policy, so too does Wikibooks, and it doesn't include video game guides (among other things). Each wiki has a specific scope, and you can't just dump content into any arbitrary wiki without regard for their inclusion policy. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 15:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC) == User Pages == I was under the impression that this policy contained mention of the fact that userpages may not be used to circumvent a VfD discussion. That is, when we vote to delete a book through VfD, that a person may not copy the book into their userspace and continue work on it from there. I would like to propose adding the following text to the VfD section: :''A person's user and user talk pages may not be used to store copies of pages deleted through VfD. User pages may not be used to circumvent VfD or other community decisions or site policies.'' What use is VfD anyway if people can simply move deleted material to the User: namespace, and continue working on it as usual? Furthermore, if VfD, we are typically voting for the deletion of ''content'', not simply the deletion of particular pages. This would imply that the community is voting to delete the material regardless of what page or pages it is located on. Furthermore, while it hasn't happened in a long time, I'm decently certain that this kind of action has some precidence. although I need to find evidence of that. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 15:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''{{{2|Support}}}''' - I'd love to see that added. In the case which prompted this, there was a pre-existing draft in the userspace, so that wasn't actually an attempt to sidestep the VFD. It should be deleted, however. The author can keep the content, just not on Wikibooks (including their userspace). I think you're correct that this has happened in the past, though I'm not sure where. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 15:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC) == Transwikied books == The policy [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Deletion_policy&oldid=1396889 currently] states that: : "''A page which has been transwikied to more appropriate wiki, and is considered to be against one or more policies here.''" Pages that go against policy should be deleted whether they have been transwikied out or not. If someone could point out if there was some nuance intended here, this point could use a clarification. If it's just a redundant criteria that slipped in, we might as well remove it. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 16:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC) : Actually, the latter part of this was just [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Deletion_policy&diff=next&oldid=1374491 recently added]. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 16:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC) :: In the past works have been transwikied despite being perfectly within the scope of Wikibooks. I think the intent is to make policy clearer that works that have been transwiki must also be outside project scope before being deleted. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC) ::: In that case, removing the mention of transwikis would have done the trick. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 21:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC) == Edits and fixed version == I recently made 2 edits:<br> 1- one very small, removed the word vote as per the now used language <s>and I expect more in accordance to what was intended in the original text.</s><br> 2- a somewhat confused duplication of what is written on the active [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]. I also find that I don't remember this policy being so pro-consensus (the true concept of it) and as is I can point several instances where the policy has been broken, can anyone point to the original approved version ? To clarify. I like the policy text as it is but I think that it is not what has been applied and probably not what was approved. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 08:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC) The only version I know was community approved was the one that is on [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote]], [[http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Deletion_policy&oldid=366253]] that makes deletion a personal decission the acting administrator without any special specifications, approved in ~2006 April, 15th 00:01 GMT. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC) '''Active proposal'''<br> Since the actual policy and what was approved have diverged significantly a restoration to the approved text should be made, if someone disagrees or has better information to clear this out, I will perform the restoration of that version and move the present text to an unstable version in 7 days. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC) : I did some rephrasing, to be clear that a user can make multiple comments, just only one declaration of position ('''keep''' or '''delete'''). I also caught &mdash; at the last moment &mdash; one use of the word "voting" that we'd both missed up till then (though I also actually put one in, in the context of stating plainly that the declarations of position are not a vote). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC) : I object to reverting to any earlier revision. I believe that most changes were discussed somewhere before they were made or were small minor changes as mentioned elsewhere on this talk page. I believe even the changes made now while I didn't agree with the wording exactly still reflect the general intended spirit of the policy. I have gone ahead and reworded it some more in an attempt to be more general towards what we actually do. '''Delete''' and '''Keep''' are hardly the only positions a person can take when discussing a work for example. People can also suggest merging, moving to a different wiki, etc. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC) :: Since no one seems to be extremely hostile to the actual text, I have no problem in letting it stay where it is, but nevertheless it has to be validated by the normal procedural steps to be constituted as a community policy, as such there are several issues that have to be addressed. ::# Establish a static version for the evolution of this procedure. (There is still some minor improvements that are needed to be done before that, especially on the part referencing Transwiki and a more accurate description of the RFD proceedings and the possible outcomes as practiced now). ::# Merge as much as possible with the unstable version and delete that version (since it will be superseded by this one, there is no reason to have multiple discussion on the same subject, this can be done simultaneously with step 1). ::# Advance proposal for alterations to what is now covered. This has to be done after 1), for any contested change done to the text until 1) and for any unmergeable section of the now unstable proposal if someone wishes to champion some of what will be deleted after 2). This will then follow the normal procedure to establish community approval of the policy, which includes the necessary public announcements for participation. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC) == Proposal for alterations == On the Speedy deletions section, on point 1, ''"...or any page in which you are the only contributor."'' if IIRC this was already present on the previous versions in a separated line, in any case this shouldn't be possible, any contribution to Wikibooks constitutes a licensing for the use of that content as such the contributor shouldn't be allowed to request a pull down even if he has clear ownership of it, this is important if the content in question is useful (the no meaningful content is covered on a different line).<br> Clearly blocking those action isn't also useful, since it could promote attempts for circumvention, the best option is not to have it mentioned at all, any such issue should be addressed by the normal copyright policy or RFD (where a dialog would be possible).<br> Since it is clear that that was not the intention of the text. Something similar in its intention but also badly worded on the Speedy deletion section, on point 5, ''"A page that has been nominated for deletion due to a general reorganization by the contributors. In this situation, please include a link to the relevant discussion that occurred regarding the cleanup."'' this would also permit content loss, a wording requiring that all useful content was preserved is needed, as promoting the request of history merges.<br> I call the situations similar, in that there will not be an active party defending the community interests (the preservation of content), making it so that no opposition would be expected by those acting toward the speedy deletions (even with the best intentions).<br> In both situation the best option is to remove them as speedy deletions reasons, valid variations are already covered and more complex situations would be addressed by other existing processes. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC) == One week == Due to the size of the Wikibooks community, the following sentences should be altered: :One week after the last comment if participants have mostly reached consensus about what to do, action will be taken by an administrator. Otherwise discussion may continue until consensus is reached. To, perhaps, something like: :<s>Discussions may not be closed until consensus is reached or one month has elapsed.</s> How's that? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 14:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC) : I'm not sure you intended to propose what your wording would do. By my reading, it would eliminate the one-week constraint entirely, and place a one-month lower limit on something else that is now unconstrained. The two different issues are: :* How long does an admin wait before declaring a consensus, and taking action? :* How long does an admin wait before declaring a '''non'''-consensus, and closing without action? : Taking these one at a time, :* The existing wording says that consensus has to be stable for a week. The proposed wording would remove that, but I'm not sure you intended to. Perhaps you intended to propose '''increasing''' it? :* The existing wording places no hard limits on how long a non-consensus will remain open; it's up to the judgment of admins. Presumably that's because closing as no-consensus does no harm, and leaving open does no harm either. My inclination is toward leaving admins with flexibility in a no-harm situation. : --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC) ::Note that anyone can close the discussions (even if some outcomes can only be implemented by admins). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC) :I don't see a need for a change, in the event that the time-frame was problematic we would have seen an increase on undeletion requests. I also like that there is not imposition of a hard limit. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC) ::I do not understand why there has to be an increase on undeletion requests. I am only concerned that admins are no longer able to close discussions within 1 week even if consensus is reached. I'm sure most Wikibookians have noticed by now that the RfDs (as well as most other reading rooms) are much less active than before - perhaps even less active than Adrignola's talk page. ::I have read Pi zero's comments and decided to re-word the sentence I proposed. Yes, I do plan to get rid of the one-week thing, not lengthen it, to provide room for speedy/snowball keep/delete Feel free to alter it as I know it isn't perfect. :::Discussions may not be closed until consensus is reached or a significant period of time has elapsed without any progress in discussion, in which case an admin will close the discussion as no consensus and the page shall be kept. ::[[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 01:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC) :::Anyone can close discussions. In any case we would certainly find people that would be willing to take on that administrative task if it becomes an issue. :::If it isn't broken it doesn't need fixing and your proposed change would not bring any improvement over the common practice. RfD aren't exactly a priority from most Wikibookians this is clearly seen by the historical lack of participation on the discussions, even by the people that create the works under RfD, but it is one of the easiest areas to be noticed in the project by the active minority, we should also note that there is a finite number of pages that can be deleted and we recently had a some months of above normal activity on the RfDs and the new methods and practices have reduced for some time the chance of creating works that could be targeted by a RfD. :::I also note that your new wording changes the default to a keep (in case of no participation). Most (but not all) RfDs are a proposal for deletion with a supporting justification for it, in the cases of solitary proposals (not seconded) would automatically result in a block to the proposal. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC) ::::Non-admins can only close discussions as speedy keep or, if an admin has deleted already, speedy delete. Could you please explain why you believe that the one week thing should be kept despite common practice? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ([[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]]) 06:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC) :::::Darklama already covered the issue but so to be clear and respond to your question "One week after the last comment..." leaves ample room to any opposition to materialize, it is not "despite common practice" as you state but it is the common practice (and policy). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC) Everything about the deletion process seems to be working fine to me. Don't fix what isn't broken. I believe '''1 week''' is seen as a ''soft limit'' in any case. Deciding what to do and acting on decisions shouldn't be confused for one another. Everyone is expected to follow the basic principals outlined by the [[WB:DM|decision making]] guideline when judging what the consensus is. Anyone, including people without tools, can close deletion discusses as non-speedy keep and delete too. Common practice may be for the person that intends to carry out the clean up to close discussion, but that is not required nor should it be. Being involved in the process of making a call on what the consensus is is one of many ways people can be involved in the community and possible demonstrate whether they would make good use of the tools or not if they had the tools. Making a call on what the consensus is is no big deal and if people believe the call doesn't accurately reflect what the consensus is, discussion will continue, the decision will be ignored, or the decision will be reversed. However using the tools to delete pages is considered a big deal (a high impact decision), which administrators are expected to do there best to get right and only do when appropriate. Assuring consensus is a part of that, but is not exclusive to administrators. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC) :I agree that the deletion process isn't broken. But that's all I agree with in the above paragraph. Someone closing a non-speedy discussion without the tools to act on the decision or the explicitly defined community trust to do so is disruptive in my opinion and the idea that it's permissible is news to me. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC) ::The short answer is [[WB:FAITH|assume good faith]] explicitly requires us to trust all members of the community, [[WB:ADMIN|Administrators]] are not given any extra authority, and giving people the administrative tools is suppose to be no big deal. We must assume in good faith that anyone that closes a deletion discussion has done so in good faith with good intentions, unless specific reasons to doubt a person's intentions can be given or unless specific reasons to reverse a person's decision to close are given. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 09:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC) ::: I am also of the opinion the deletion process isn't broken. Actually I quite the fan of the one week rule. I know there was at least one non-speedy RfD that got handled in a speedy way that I objected to (rather heatedly unfortunately). I personally think that any non-reversible action (including history merges) shouldn't be taken until after the one week after the last comment is up. But I don't think that needs to be spelled out in policy. I am in favor of keeping the Deletion policy as is. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 06:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC) == Question about Speedy Deletion reason 6 for "orphaned" redirects == E.g. [[Cookbook:Pumpkin_pie]], why is this not a valid redirect? I am relatively new to the project and recently created [[Cookbook:Custard pie]] as a redirect. Redirects are cheap and it seems that it would be better for people to hit a valid redirect than a deleted page. The reason I created the redirect is that a Wikipedia article [[w:Custard pie]] linked there. Because it did so, via a standard template, it is likely that hundreds of Wikipedia articles link to such pages ([[w:Pumpkin pie]] does) (and to non-existent pages). I've raised the issue on the relevant wikipedia template talk page but at the same time, I don't see why such redirects are considered "orphaned or broken" (one can only know if it's locally orphaned, not globally orphaned, without using toolserver tools) or why "orphaned" would be a valid reason for redirects to be deleted, that precludes any redirect that isn't used as a wikilink (and could preclude all redirects as all links could be 'fixed' to go around the redirect and link directly to the object). Furthermore, a cross-case redirect seems logical, newcomers are unlikely to know minute rules like the fact that Cookbook namespace uses title case for all articles, especially if they've come here from Wikipedia, which prohibits such names (not to suggest that Wikibooks should follow those rules but it should 'care' about what referers sister projects may be using). I've only been here a couple days and searching even for the rules on this caused me to run into several other deleted redirects (because I was looking where I thought made sense, which usually indicates a redirect is called for), e.g. [[Help:Redirect]] (which is even more puzzling to me than Pumpkin Pie). Please explain.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] ([[User talk:Doug|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 21:09, 28 December 2013 (UTC) :Books are self contained and intended to be capable of standing alone. Links from outside a book into the sub structure of the book are discouraged because they make the navigation confusing. While it may be obvious how links (and redirects are just a special kind of link) work to a Wikipedia user, this isn't Wikipedia and follows a different design for a different readership. To someone used to using books, or textbooks specifically, links that jump into the middle of another book, or out of the book, are confusing. When reading a book on physics you wouldn't expect to suddenly find yourself in a book on computer programming on sub page 6 in chapter 9 reading a paragraph on what a program is because you happened to click on a link "program." Instead you'd expect at the most to be taken to a glossary within the book you were reading that explained "program" within the context of the book you were reading. The problem that redirects create is that it causes inappropriate linking. Let's say there is a redirect from "Program" to "Computer Programming/Definitions/Beginners#Program" - this means every link that was a red link in every book to "Program" will now link out of the book. It also isn't clear this should be the redirect - unlike Wikipedia there are hundreds or thousands of places "Program" could be linked to. But because this isn't an encyclopedia and is structured as books not articles, the DAB pages used in Wikipedia are inappropriate here and won't solve the problem. I've heard this explained before as think about Wikipedia as a single book. So Wikibooks is actually 2,695 individual Wikipedias each of which needs to have unique redirects and links. The only way to do this today is with separate namespaces for each book - which isn't going to happen. The alternative is to try and make the books self contained by not having cross book links - and redirects are just a special form of cross book link. As for the Cookbook - it is the same problem, albeit slightly easier because the Cookbook is in its own namespace. The same issue is there though. Who says "Raspberry Pie" should go to a recipe or a book on programming the Raspberry Pie or a sub page of the computer programming book, or the book on firmware engineering page? Without a massive DAB structure it'll quickly become a huge navigational mess. [[User:QuiteUnusual|QuiteUnusual]] ([[User talk:QuiteUnusual|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/QuiteUnusual|contribs]]) 23:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC) == Move for change == '''In the Copyright section:'''<br> The user who submitted the work has one week from this date to prove that they had permission to post the work, otherwise it will be deleted.<br> '''should be reformed into:'''<br> Violations can be resolved for instance by obtaining express permission from the copyright owner (see [[Wikibooks:Boilerplate request for permission]]), those should be registered at the [[Commons:OTRS|Wikimedia's OTRS]] if possible. While resolution is open to anyone, the user who submitted the content must defend his contribution as a registered Wikibookian with a valid email.<br> The user who submitted the work has one week from this date to prove that they had permission to post the work, otherwise it will be deleted.<br> After 7 days from the notice date if unresolved the violation will be deleted.<br> '''Rational for the change:''' The information is not available in the Copyright policy and it expressly addresses surviving a copyvio notification.<br> Since unregistred user's identity is harder to verify it seems reasonable to require a higher standard as to contest evidential proof of a possible copyright violation and so ease the identification of the one responsible for the added content (and crosschecking the rights). This of course does not exclude the need of a RfD in cases that the danger of using suspect material supplants the benefits to the project.<br> Note that the Copyright policy deals exclusively with clear violations or pull down request not the suspicion of problematic content. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 13:23, 6 October 2014 (UTC) == Deleting user talk pages == CSD criterion 2 allows for the speedy deletion of "Pages in the nominator's user namespace (their user page, <b>talk page</b>, or any sub-page thereof)" (emphasis mine). I wanted to ask about the rationale for being allowed to ask for the speedy deletion of your user talk page, because this seems like it could lead to evasion of scrutiny.<span id="JJPMaster:1733100837816:Wikibooks_talkFTTCLNDeletion_policy" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</span> tdbzfem7jr4053fx991220dk9pvwdhg 0 10494 4639358 3439313 2026-06-08T17:31:19Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639358 wikitext text/x-wiki {{msg:GeneralChemTOC|prev=The Quantum Model|next=Shells and Orbitals}} ==The Quantum Numbers== These four numbers are used to describe the location of an electron in an atom. {| style="margin:0 auto;" border="1px" |- ! Number ! Symbol ! Possible Values |- | Principal Quantum Number ! <math>n \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle 1, 2, 3, 4, \ldots </math> |- | Angular Momentum Quantum Number ! <math>\ell \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle 0, 1, 2, 3, \ldots , (n - 1)</math> |- | Magnetic Quantum Number ! <math>m_\text{l} \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle -\ell, \ldots, -1, 0, 1, \ldots ,\ell \,</math> |- | Spin Quantum Number ! <math>m_\text{s} \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle +1/2, -1/2</math> |} === Principal Quantum Number (''n'') === Determines the '''shell''' the electron is in. The shell is the main component that determines the energy of the electron (higher ''n'' corresponds to higher energy), as well as size of the orbital, corresponding to maximum nuclear distance (higher ''n'' means further possible distance from the nucleus). The row that an element is placed on the periodic table tells how many shells there will be. Helium (''n'' = 1), neon (''n'' = 2), argon (''n'' = 3), etc. Note that the shells will have different numbers, as described by the table above; for example, argon will contain the <math>n = 1</math>, <math>n = 2</math>, and <math>n = 3</math> subshells, for that total of 3. === Angular Momentum Quantum Number (''l'') === Also known as azimuthal quantum number. Determines the '''subshell''' the electron is in. Each subshell has a unique shape and a letter name. The ''s orbital'' is shaped like a sphere and occurs when ''l'' = 0. The ''p orbitals'' (there are three) are shaped like teardrops and occur when ''l'' = 1. The ''d orbitals'' (there are five) occur when ''l'' = 2. The ''f orbitals'' (there are seven) occur when ''l'' = 3. (By the way, when ''l'' = 4, the orbitals are "g orbitals", but they (and the ''l'' = 5 "h orbitals") can safely be ignored in general chemistry.). The numbers of the subshells in each shell can be calculated using the principal quantum number like so. <math>l = 0, 1,...(n-2), (n-1).</math> For example, in the <math>n = 2</math> shell, the subshells are an <math>l = 0</math> subshell, and 3 <math>l = 1</math> subshells. You will learn how to determine the number of orbitals for each subshells in the next section. This number also gives information as to what the '''angular node''' of an orbital is. A [[w:Node_(physics)|node]] is defined as a point on a [[w:Standing_wave|standing wave]] where the wave has minimal [[w:Amplitude|amplitude]]. When applied to chemistry this is the point of zero-displacement and thus where no electrons are found. In turn angular node means the planar or conical surface in which no electrons are found or where there is no electron density. The models shown on this page show the most simple representations of these orbitals and their nodes. More accurate, but more complex depictions are not necessary for the scope of this book. Here are pictures of the orbitals. Keep in mind that they do not show the actual path of the electrons, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Instead, they show the volume where the electron is most likely to occur, i.e. the {{W|Probability amplitude|probability amplitude}} is largest. The two colors represent two signs (phases) of the {{W|Wave function|wave function}} (the choice is arbitrary). Each of the depicted orbitals is a superposition of two opposite ''m'' quantum numbers (see below). {| style="margin:0 auto;" border="1px" |- ! m_l ! 0 ! -1 and 1 ! -2 and 2 ! -3 and 3 |- |S orbital → |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n1 l0 m0.png|50px]] | | | |- |P orbitals → |[[Image:P2M0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Px orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Py orbital.png|50px]] | | |- |D orbitals → |[[Image:D3M0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Dxz orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Dyz orbital.png|50px]] |[[Image:Dx2-y2 orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Dxy orbital.png|50px]] | |- |F orbitals → |[[Image:F4M0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Fyz2 orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Fxz2 orbital.png|50px]] |[[Image:Fz(x2-y2) orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Fxyz orbital.png|50px]] |[[Image:Fy(3x2-y2) orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Fx(x2-3y2) orbital.png|50px]] |} === Magnetic Quantum Number (''m''_l) === {| style="margin:0 auto;" border="1px" |- ! m_l ! -3 ! -2 ! -1 ! 0 ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 |- |S orbital → | | | |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n1 l0 m0.png|50px]] | | | |- |P orbitals → | | |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n2 l1 m-1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n2 l1 m0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n2 l1 m1.png|50px]] | | |- |D orbitals → | |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m-2.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m-1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m2.png|50px]] | |- |F orbitals → |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m-3.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m-2.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m-1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m2.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m3.png|50px]] |} </center> Magnetic quantum number determines the '''orbital''' in which the electron lies. The number of orbitals in each subshell can be calculated like so: <math>m</math>_{<math>l</math>}<math> = -l, -(l- 1),...,-1,0,1,...(l - 1), l</math>. ''m''_l determines how rapidly the complex phase increases around the z-axis. Without magnetic field, these orbitals all have the same energy, they are '''degenerate''' and can be combined into different shapes and spatial orientations. The orbitals in a subshell with degeneracy are called degenerate orbitals. This simply means that the orbitals in each p subshell all have the same energy level. The difference in shapes as well as orientation of higher <math>l</math> subshells is not important during general chemistry, and the orbitals in the same higher <math>l</math> subshells are still degenerate regardless of shape differences. === Spin Quantum Number (''m''_s) === Does not determines the '''spin''' on the electron. +&#189; corresponds to the up arrow in an electron configuration box. If there is only one electron in an orbital (one arrow in one box), then it is always considered +&#189;. The second arrow, or down arrow, is considered -&#189;. Every orbital can contain one "spin up" electron, and one "spin down" electron. === Some Examples === Let's examine the quantum numbers of electrons from a magnesium atom, ¹²Mg. Remember that each list of numbers corresponds to (''n'', ''l'', ''m''_l, ''m''_s). {|- |Two s electrons: |(1, 0, 0, +&#189;) |(1, 0, 0, -&#189;) |- |Two s electrons: |(2, 0, 0, +&#189;) |(2, 0, 0, -&#189;) |- |Six p electrons: |(2, 1, -1, +&#189;) |(2, 1, -1, -&#189;) |(2, 1, 0, +&#189;) |(2, 1, 0, -&#189;) |(2, 1, 1, +&#189;) |(2, 1, 1, -&#189;) |- |Two s electrons: |(3, 0, 0, +&#189;) |(3, 0, 0, -&#189;) |} === The Periodic Table === Notice a pattern on the [[General_Chemistry/Periodic_Table|periodic table]]. Different areas, or blocks, have different types of electrons. The two columns on the left make the s-block. The six columns on the right make the p-block. The large area in the middle (transition metals) makes the d-block. The bottom portion makes the f-block (Lanthanides and Actinides). Each row introduces a new shell (aka energy level). Basically, the row tells you how many shells of electrons there will be, and the column tells you which subshells will occur (and which shells they occur in). The value of m_l can be determined by some of the rules we will learn in the next chapter. The value of m_s doesn't really matter as long as there are no repeating values in the same orbital. {{Info|To see the pattern better, take a look at [[w:Periodic table (by blocks)|this periodic table]].}} {{BookCat}} asce6wmcxw6y3sod5v8pak2crawsvmo 4639359 4639358 2026-06-08T17:31:34Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639359 wikitext text/x-wiki {{msg:GeneralChemTOC|prev=The Quantum Model|next=Shells and Orbitals}} ==The Quantum Numbers== These four numbers are used to describe the location of an electron in an atom. {| style="margin:0 auto;" border="1px" |- ! Number ! Symbol ! Possible Values |- | Principal Quantum Number ! <math>n \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle 1, 2, 3, 4, \ldots </math> |- | Angular Momentum Quantum Number ! <math>\ell \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle 0, 1, 2, 3, \ldots , (n - 1)</math> |- | Magnetic Quantum Number ! <math>m_\text{l} \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle -\ell, \ldots, -1, 0, 1, \ldots ,\ell \,</math> |- | Spin Quantum Number ! <math>m_\text{s} \,</math> | <math>\displaystyle +1/2, -1/2</math> |} === Principal Quantum Number (''n'') === Determines the '''shell''' the electron is in. The shell is the main component that determines the energy of the electron (higher ''n'' corresponds to higher energy), as well as size of the orbital, corresponding to maximum nuclear distance (higher ''n'' means further possible distance from the nucleus). The row that an element is placed on the periodic table tells how many shells there will be. Helium (''n'' = 1), neon (''n'' = 2), argon (''n'' = 3), etc. Note that the shells will have different numbers, as described by the table above; for example, argon will contain the <math>n = 1</math>, <math>n = 2</math>, and <math>n = 3</math> subshells, for that total of 3. === Angular Momentum Quantum Number (''l'') === Also known as azimuthal quantum number. Determines the '''subshell''' the electron is in. Each subshell has a unique shape and a letter name. The ''s orbital'' is shaped like a sphere and occurs when ''l'' = 0. The ''p orbitals'' (there are three) are shaped like teardrops and occur when ''l'' = 1. The ''d orbitals'' (there are five) occur when ''l'' = 2. The ''f orbitals'' (there are seven) occur when ''l'' = 3. (By the way, when ''l'' = 4, the orbitals are "g orbitals", but they (and the ''l'' = 5 "h orbitals") can safely be ignored in general chemistry.). The numbers of the subshells in each shell can be calculated using the principal quantum number like so. <math>l = 0, 1,...(n-2), (n-1).</math> For example, in the <math>n = 2</math> shell, the subshells are an <math>l = 0</math> subshell, and 3 <math>l = 1</math> subshells. You will learn how to determine the number of orbitals for each subshells in the next section. This number also gives information as to what the '''angular node''' of an orbital is. A [[w:Node_(physics)|node]] is defined as a point on a [[w:Standing_wave|standing wave]] where the wave has minimal [[w:Amplitude|amplitude]]. When applied to chemistry this is the point of zero-displacement and thus where no electrons are found. In turn angular node means the planar or conical surface in which no electrons are found or where there is no electron density. The models shown on this page show the most simple representations of these orbitals and their nodes. More accurate, but more complex depictions are not necessary for the scope of this book. Here are pictures of the orbitals. Keep in mind that they do not show the actual path of the electrons, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Instead, they show the volume where the electron is most likely to occur, i.e. the {{W|Probability amplitude|probability amplitude}} is largest. The two colors represent two signs (phases) of the {{W|Wave function|wave function}} (the choice is arbitrary). Each of the depicted orbitals is a superposition of two opposite ''m'' quantum numbers (see below). {| style="margin:0 auto;" border="1px" |- ! m_l ! 0 ! -1 and 1 ! -2 and 2 ! -3 and 3 |- |S orbital → |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n1 l0 m0.png|50px]] | | | |- |P orbitals → |[[Image:P2M0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Px orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Py orbital.png|50px]] | | |- |D orbitals → |[[Image:D3M0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Dxz orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Dyz orbital.png|50px]] |[[Image:Dx2-y2 orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Dxy orbital.png|50px]] | |- |F orbitals → |[[Image:F4M0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Fyz2 orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Fxz2 orbital.png|50px]] |[[Image:Fz(x2-y2) orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Fxyz orbital.png|50px]] |[[Image:Fy(3x2-y2) orbital.png|50px]][[Image:Fx(x2-3y2) orbital.png|50px]] |} === Magnetic Quantum Number (''m''_l) === {| style="margin:0 auto;" border="1px" |- ! m_l ! -3 ! -2 ! -1 ! 0 ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 |- |S orbital → | | | |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n1 l0 m0.png|50px]] | | | |- |P orbitals → | | |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n2 l1 m-1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n2 l1 m0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n2 l1 m1.png|50px]] | | |- |D orbitals → | |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m-2.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m-1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n3 l2 m2.png|50px]] | |- |F orbitals → |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m-3.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m-2.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m-1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m0.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m1.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m2.png|50px]] |[[Image:Hydrogen eigenstate n4 l3 m3.png|50px]] |} Magnetic quantum number determines the '''orbital''' in which the electron lies. The number of orbitals in each subshell can be calculated like so: <math>m</math>_{<math>l</math>}<math> = -l, -(l- 1),...,-1,0,1,...(l - 1), l</math>. ''m''_l determines how rapidly the complex phase increases around the z-axis. Without magnetic field, these orbitals all have the same energy, they are '''degenerate''' and can be combined into different shapes and spatial orientations. The orbitals in a subshell with degeneracy are called degenerate orbitals. This simply means that the orbitals in each p subshell all have the same energy level. The difference in shapes as well as orientation of higher <math>l</math> subshells is not important during general chemistry, and the orbitals in the same higher <math>l</math> subshells are still degenerate regardless of shape differences. === Spin Quantum Number (''m''_s) === Does not determines the '''spin''' on the electron. +&#189; corresponds to the up arrow in an electron configuration box. If there is only one electron in an orbital (one arrow in one box), then it is always considered +&#189;. The second arrow, or down arrow, is considered -&#189;. Every orbital can contain one "spin up" electron, and one "spin down" electron. === Some Examples === Let's examine the quantum numbers of electrons from a magnesium atom, ¹²Mg. Remember that each list of numbers corresponds to (''n'', ''l'', ''m''_l, ''m''_s). {|- |Two s electrons: |(1, 0, 0, +&#189;) |(1, 0, 0, -&#189;) |- |Two s electrons: |(2, 0, 0, +&#189;) |(2, 0, 0, -&#189;) |- |Six p electrons: |(2, 1, -1, +&#189;) |(2, 1, -1, -&#189;) |(2, 1, 0, +&#189;) |(2, 1, 0, -&#189;) |(2, 1, 1, +&#189;) |(2, 1, 1, -&#189;) |- |Two s electrons: |(3, 0, 0, +&#189;) |(3, 0, 0, -&#189;) |} === The Periodic Table === Notice a pattern on the [[General_Chemistry/Periodic_Table|periodic table]]. Different areas, or blocks, have different types of electrons. The two columns on the left make the s-block. The six columns on the right make the p-block. The large area in the middle (transition metals) makes the d-block. The bottom portion makes the f-block (Lanthanides and Actinides). Each row introduces a new shell (aka energy level). Basically, the row tells you how many shells of electrons there will be, and the column tells you which subshells will occur (and which shells they occur in). The value of m_l can be determined by some of the rules we will learn in the next chapter. The value of m_s doesn't really matter as long as there are no repeating values in the same orbital. {{Info|To see the pattern better, take a look at [[w:Periodic table (by blocks)|this periodic table]].}} {{BookCat}} ra531jysws5kvmnwwuz9agy1vnj9y8a 5 11721 4639420 1384542 2026-06-08T19:20:08Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639420 wikitext text/x-wiki == History == Initial text adapted from [[en:Wikipedia:Reference desk]]. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 09:08 2 Aug 2003 (UTC) == Discussion == It's awfully sad that this page is in the sidebar but never visited, whereas for the Staff Lounge it is just the reverse. What gives? [[User:Sj|Sj]] 22:14, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC) == This page doesn't get a lot of attention== Maybe redirect it to the staff lounge? --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 11:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC) : You're right about the attention. 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Then ask below!" but asking general questions isn't quite the purpose of a library reference desk. I propose we restrict this to being a reference desk &mdash; restrict the questions to the books here at Wikibooks. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC) : [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Study_help_desk&diff=703228&oldid=703047 Done]. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 22:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC) == Deprecate == This page is now linked to from the [[Wikibooks:Reading room]], but still doesn't get much traffic. Requests for this type of page don't find their way to the other reading rooms. There really doesn't seem to be much demand for it. [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Assistance]] therefore be able to handle the occasional requests that belong here. 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You have to intercept the pressing of the keys, see the book example on how to get input from the keyboard and adapt it to detect those key presses, if you don't know the code for a particular key, print it to the screen after you have read it. if you think the example on how to get the keyboard data is missing something please ask again, please do sign you posts txs --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 14:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC) == string::find return type == Which one is right? * <code>string::find()</code> returns an <code>int</code> ? -- old version of [[C++ Programming/Code/IO/Streams/string]]; but the compiler I'm using today tells me "warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions". * <code>string::find()</code> returns a <code>size_type</code> ? -- [http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/basic_string.html SGI reference]; but the compiler I'm using today keeps telling me "error: 'size_type' was not declared in this scope". * <code>string::find()</code> returns a <code>size_t</code> ? -- [http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/find.html another C++ reference]; this seems to compile -- on this ancient compiler I'm using today. But is it portable? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 02:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC) :What compiler are you using? <code>size_type</code> is the correct one, by what is on the 2003 standard. :Use <code>string::size_type return = yourstring.find( <what you need to find> );</code> and the "error: 'size_type' was not declared in this scope" should be solved. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC) :: Ah, that makes sense. Now my compiler accepts it. So actually * <code>string::find()</code> returns a <code>string::size_type</code> :: right? --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 04:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC) :::Well the correct terminology is that the type is size_type, the <code>string::</code> bit is the namespace/scope were the compiler can find a definition for it, in general a type can be the same or different across several namespaces/scopes sharing the same keyword, in this case it also exists in other namespaces/scope (ie <code>vector::size_type</code>) and from your previous searches it seems that some time back it was a int. :::For what is on the standard (2003) the size_type is implementation dependent and size_t will (with a high degree of certainty) be equal to size_type (but the standard doesn't commit to it and I couldn't find a clear reason why...) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC) :::: Thank you. OK, I've updated [[C++ Programming/Code/IO/Streams/string]] based on the new understanding you've given me. As always, feel free to improve that page, even if it means reverting my mis-guided edits. --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] ([[User talk:DavidCary|talk]]) 13:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC) == mathematical operations == a c++ programe that can display mathematical operations. :No major problem, the only difficulty would be the output but that depends only on how much it needed to conform with the standard notation. You could output a TeX formula and render it elsewhere. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC) == Ejecting optical drive == How to eject optical drive using c++ code on turbo c++ 3.0 compiler without using any windows library or header file? :Only possibility is to call another program that executes delete that task. That operation is dependant on the OS. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 22:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC) == MATALAB? == How does C++ compare with MATALAB? When should one use C++ instead of MATLAB? When is C++ superior to MATLAB? When is MATLAB superior to C++? :That is a bit like discussing what the differences are between oranges and apples, even more problematic since the analogy is even closer since both are fruits. :C++ is a programming language MATLAB is not even if it is scriptable the functions or objectives rarely are the same (MATLAB can be used to examine algorithms). Since they really can't be directly compared (unless we define a specific problem that can be addressed by both) the comparison has no meaning in generic terms, each does what it they are proposed to do. Also consider that MATLAB is a commercial product there is some fairly recent products that already replicate some functionalities of that software package in the case of programming languages there is no direct concurrency, there is only one C++ language even if some other languages can perform the same tasks they are ultimately completely distinct in use, capabilities and results (see the book section that compares C++ with similar languages if you need further info on that). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 08:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC) == c++ programming logical == A=9,B=9 why C=A!=B+1+(A==B) get the result C=0 ? {{unsigned|111.118.129.179| some time before 09:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)}} :Go by steps and check operator resolution priority on the table. In any case doing such logic in a single operation like that is bad coding practice, you can extend it into several operations unless compiler optimization needs to be turned off, in that case you should provide an appropriate comment. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 09:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC) == Programming terms == hello there, I don't know anything about programming c++, but i ran on these words and would like to know what they are or how to get them: can you help pls? *- initial interface *- data loggin *- polling system *- object inspector *- gage component thanks a lot {{unsigned3|Elzeinhasan}} :This have no specific relation to C++, even if they can be declared as terms used in programming. All depend on the context they are used so it would be mostly guessing to what they mean as listed above. :An interface can be many things but lets assume it refers to classes, in that case the initial interface may be indicating the parent class interface before derivation. :Data logging relates to keeping "data" for review (a log). :Polling system may be something like detecting if a system is active (for instance in dealing with threads) or in networks it can also be referring to deciding a priority by a vote (see distributed systems). :Object inspector is just like it states, you should learn more about Object Oriented Programming first. :The gage component can be so many things that I will not conjecture about it. :Programming is hard, it is not only understanding a language but knowing what can be done with it, understanding all the intrinsics of a language. Knowing the code is even less important that fully understanding the concepts behind how and why things are implemented as they are. If you understand those, every language will become very similar to you, as they ultimately share the same basic functional purpose. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC) == C++ == what's the difference between \n & endl; :The first is a legacy notation from many older languages including C, the latest (I guess you intended to refer to std::endl) behavior is mostly equivalent but has further uses (streams) and guarantees see for example what was [http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/7350/ answered here], provides a complete coverage of the issue. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 23:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC) == the hello world example == Hi guys, I am trying to learn C++ using your book. But the hello world example is confusing! Here is why: - the use of "int" before "main" is explained much later than it should be; - the explanation claims that the first line of the program contains a line ending in \n and then waxes lyrical about what this means but the first line of the example does not contain \n ! raj [[Special:Contributions/203.214.45.199|203.214.45.199]] ([[User talk:203.214.45.199|discuss]]) 05:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC) k899rptfgw74p718s17gq88vrw36r6q 1 19276 4639427 4415710 2026-06-08T19:30:26Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639427 wikitext text/x-wiki {{archive box|auto=yes}} == New book conversion more or less finished, Current LMOS == The conversion form Jim Heffron's book to wikibooks is now more or less complete. There are still a number of pages from the old book which can be found at [[Linear Algebra/OLD/TOC]]. These pages should either be merged, or (I think) could be used as a seed for a more advanced book on linear algebra for Mathematics majors. In terms of a local MOS, all mathematics is contained between <nowiki><math></math></nowiki>, regardless of inline or displayed. Theorems, lemmas, remarks, examples, exercises, etc. should be in a {{tlx|TextBox}}. The book is written in American English. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC) == Duplicate page == There is both a page<br> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linear_Algebra/Eigenvalues_and_eigenvectors (no capital letter)<br> and<br> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linear_Algebra/Eigenvalues_and_Eigenvectors (with capital letter)<br> But these are different pages. The table of contents of this book links to the latter, which seems to be the most maintained. But the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalue,_eigenvector_and_eigenspace wikipedia article about eigenvalues/vectors] links to the former. Maybe the former should be removed and the wikipedia article changed? --[[Special:Contributions/87.65.116.226|87.65.116.226]] ([[User talk:87.65.116.226|talk]]) 13:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC) ==Suggested points of discussion from failed [[WB:Featured books/Nominations]]== I think what happens next is discussion continues in the book's discussion pages by book contributors and those with issues with the book. Things to consider discussing more in the book's discussion pages might be: # Does the book need a new name? # Does the scope and audience of the book need to be better defined? # Do parts need to be rewritten to be easier to follow and understand? # Can missing material be added to reduce or eliminate a need to depend on Wikipedia links? # How can this book be made better? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 10:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC) == Orphaned pages == *[[Linear Algebra/Inner product spaces]] *[[Linear Algebra/Topic: Crystals/Solutions]] *[[Linear Algebra/Topic: Linear Recurrences/Solutions]] These are not linked to by this book. Please mark them for deletion with {{tlx|delete|reasoning}}, link to them, or merge them into another page and mark them with {{tlx|now merged|destination page}}. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC) :Thanks! Slip ups on my part, now linked where appropriate. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC) == Outdated == This is a great wikibook and I am very impressed by the work done on it; however, [http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linearalgebra/ the book it is based off] is updated very regularly, while this one is not. I question whether it might be better to just redirect readers to the original. [[User:InverseHypercube|InverseHypercube]] ([[User talk:InverseHypercube|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/InverseHypercube|contribs]]) 23:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC) :How much has changed in the area of linear algebra? Is it just some of the applications sections? Or is it reorganization of the sections? [[User:Rgrasmus|Rgrasmus]] ([[User talk:Rgrasmus|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rgrasmus|contribs]]) 15:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC) :*Agree, this is more a unsophisticated "young-Wikipedian" attitude I wouldn't expect to see much here on Wikibooks&mdash;it is a fallacy that all fields of knowledge are progressing at an breakneck pace rather than a recognition that things like mathematical theory or even physics fundamentals are rather stable and updating is hardly ever needed. A lot of the inflation of the cost of education could be eliminated by holding down the switching of texts for standard courses. For example, I have a physics text published in 1911, and 98% of it is still spot on, most of the rest is new theory-but for understanding fundamental mechanics and non-relativistic physics, Newtonian physics, the book is perfectly well suited. :: Secondarily, if Mathematicians were good at having applications sections people would actually understand the topics. As an engineer, imho, the whole pedagogy mindset sucks. They do really poorly at relating math to the real world. :: Next time, when tagging like these, please put the template in the edit summary. Finding when it was hung and by who would save others time, and have brought me to this note sooner. // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]][[User talk:Fabartus|<span style="color:green">nkB</span>]] 15:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC) == Pages that need serious care == As I've been reading through this book, I've noticed some pages have more errors than others [[User:Lazauya|Lazauya]] ([[User talk:Lazauya|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lazauya|contribs]]) 05:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC) *[[Linear_Algebra/Changing_Map_Representations]] This page has some big formatting errors that I tried to correct, but I simply do not know how [[User:Lazauya|Lazauya]] ([[User talk:Lazauya|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lazauya|contribs]]) 05:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC) == Topics related to unitary transformations == I have noticed that unitary (aka orthonormal) transformations/matrices are given a very light treatment. I am creating a new section to describe important results such as the singular value decomposition and the spectral theorem, with possibly some references to quantum information applications. Feel free to assist and correct where necessary. [[User:Math buff|Math buff]] ([[User talk:Math buff|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Math buff|contribs]]) 00:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC) == errors == Upon attempting to load <code>[[Linear Algebra/Print version/Part 1]]</code>, I am repeatedly getting the following error: "504 Gateway Time-out / nginx/1.11.13" (Part 2 loads okay). The single-file PDF generated from <code>[[Wikibooks:Collections/Linear Algebra]]</code> also contains display errors. Is there a way that I can print-to-PDF or download this book as just one or two files without having to print each chapter individually? [[User:Nicole Sharp|Nicole Sharp]] ([[User talk:Nicole Sharp|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nicole Sharp|contribs]]) 21:53, 28 May 2017 (UTC) == Thorough rework? == {{ping|Mathmensch}} What do you have in mind to rework, about this book? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 12:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC) :{{ping|Pi zero}} In order to save the time of beginning students, I'll introduce the most general notions first, so that the theorems don't have to be repeated at a later stage in larger generality. In particular, determinants and matrix theory will be developed on the level of rings, elementaries on vector spaces will be stated on the level of modules (where of course the brief definition of modules gives a much finer mnemonic of the definition of vector spaces than the direct, "bare hands" definition that is pursued here). The rework will leave the current content as-is, until it is finished, and then the current wikibook will be moved somewhere else or deleted. --[[User:Mathmensch|Mathmensch]] ([[User talk:Mathmensch|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mathmensch|contribs]]) 12:47, 11 August 2017 (UTC) == Moore-Penrose inverse == Dear Wikibookians, I have recently transwikified a page on the Moore-Penrose inverse from Wikipedia and polished it for inclusion in the linear algebra section of the [[Topics in Abstract Algebra]] Wikibook ([[User:Felix QW/Proofs involving the Moore–Penrose inverse]]). However, as I was reformatting it, it occurred to me that it would be a natural follow-on from the sections already present in '''Unitary Transformations''' here, and that the level of the material is not too high. Therefore I was wondering what the thoughts are on including it as a topic on '''Unitary Transformations V''' here? Of course, it would need to be reformatted (again) to meet the conventions of [[Linear Algebra]]. 16q9js5kzzktcv9gewon3k5hwda47pv 0 20057 4639354 4599017 2026-06-08T17:24:23Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639354 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Data Structures/ChapNav}} Computers can store and process vast amounts of data. Formal data structures enable a programmer to mentally structure large amounts of data into conceptually manageable relationships. Sometimes we use data structures to allow us to do more: for example, to accomplish fast searching or sorting of data. Other times, we use data structures so that we can do ''less'': for example, the concept of the stack is a limited form of a more general data structure. These limitations provide us with guarantees that allow us to reason about our programs more easily. Data structures also provide guarantees about algorithmic complexity—choosing an appropriate data structure for a job is crucial for writing good software. Because data structures are higher-level abstractions, they present to us operations on groups of data, such as adding an item to a list, or looking up the highest-priority item in a queue. When a data structure provides operations, we can call the data structure an '''abstract data type''' (sometimes abbreviated as ADT). Abstract data types can minimize dependencies in your code, which is important when your code needs to be changed. Because you are abstracted away from lower-level details, some of the higher-level commonalities one data structure shares with a different data structure can be used to replace one with the other. Our programming languages come equipped with a set of built-in types, such as integers and floating-point numbers, that allow us to work with data objects for which the machine's processor has native support. These built-in types are abstractions of what the processor actually provides because built-in types hide details both about their execution and limitations. For example, when we use a floating-point number we are primarily concerned with its value and the operations that can be applied to it. Consider computing the length of a hypotenuse: let ''c'' := sqrt(''a'' * ''a'' + ''b'' * ''b'') The machine code generated from the above would use common patterns for computing these values and accumulating the result. In fact, these patterns are so repetitious that high-level languages were created to avoid this redundancy and to allow programmers to think about ''what'' value was computed instead of ''how'' it was computed. Two useful and related concepts are at play here: * '''Encapsulation''' is when common patterns are grouped together under a single name and then parameterized, in order to achieve a higher-level understanding of that pattern. For example, the multiplication operation requires two source values and writes the product of those two values to a given destination. The operation is parameterized by both the sources and the single destination. * '''Abstraction''' is a mechanism to hide the implementation details of an abstraction away from the users of the abstraction. When we multiply numbers, for example, we don't need to know the technique actually used by the processor, we just need to know its properties. A programming language is both an abstraction of a machine and a tool to encapsulate-away the machine's inner details. For example, a program written in a programming language can be compiled to several different machine architectures when that programming language sufficiently encapsulates the user away from any one machine. In this book, we take the abstraction and encapsulation that our programming languages provide a step further: When applications get to be more complex, the abstractions of programming languages become too low-level to effectively manage. Thus, we build our own abstractions on top of these lower-level constructs. We can even build further abstractions on top of those abstractions. Each time we build upwards, we lose access to the lower-level implementation details. While losing such access might sound like a bad trade off, it is actually quite a bargain: We are primarily concerned with solving the problem at hand rather than with any trivial decisions that could have just as arbitrarily been replaced with a different decision. When we can think on higher levels, we relieve ourselves of these burdens. Each data structure that we cover in this book can be thought of as a single unit that has a set of values and a set of operations that can be performed to either access or change these values. The data structure itself can be understood as a set of the data structure's operations together with each operation's properties (i.e., what the operation does and how long we could expect it to take). Big-oh notation is a common way of expressing a computer code's performance. The notation creates a relationship between the number of items in memory and the average performance for a function. For a set of <math>n</math> items, <math>O(n)</math> indicates that a particular function will operate on the set <math>n</math> times on average. <math>O(1)</math> indicates that the function always performs a constant number of operations regardless of the number of items. The notation only represents algorithmic complexity so a function may perform more operations but constant multiples of <math>n</math> are dropped by convention. ==The Node== The first data structure we look at is the node structure. A node is simply a container for a value, plus a pointer to a "next" node (which may be <code>null</code>). The above is an abstraction of a ''structure'': In some languages, structures are called ''records'' or ''classes''. Some other languages provide no direct support for structures, but instead allow them to be built from other constructs (such as ''tuples'' or ''lists''). Here, we are only concerned that nodes contain values of some form, so we simply say its type is "element" because the type is not important. In some programming languages no type ever needs to be specified (as in dynamically typed languages, like Scheme, Smalltalk or Python). In other languages the type might need to be restricted to integer or string (as in statically typed languages like C). In still other languages, the decision of the type of the contained element can be delayed until the type is actually used (as in languages that support generic types, like C++ and Java). In any of these cases, translating the pseudocode into your own language should be relatively simple. Each of the node operations specified can be implemented quite easily: // ''Create a new node, with v as its contained value and next as'' // ''the value of the next pointer'' function '''make-node'''(''v'', node ''next''): node let ''result'' := new node {''v'', ''next''} return ''result'' end ''// Returns the value contained in node n'' function '''get-value'''(node ''n''): element return ''n''.value end ''// Returns the value of node n's next pointer'' function '''get-next'''(node ''n''): node return ''n''.next end ''// Sets the contained value of n to be v'' function '''set-value'''(node ''n'', ''v'') ''n''.value := ''v'' end ''// Sets the value of node n's next pointer to be new-next'' function '''set-next'''(node ''n'', ''new-next'') ''n''.next := ''new-next'' return ''new-next'' end Principally, we are more concerned with the operations and the implementation strategy than we are with the structure itself and the low-level implementation. For example, we are more concerned about the time requirement specified, which states that all operations take time that is <math>O(1)</math>. The above implementation meets this criteria, because the length of time each operation takes is constant. Another way to think of constant time operations is to think of them as operations whose analysis is not dependent on any variable. (The notation <math>O(1)</math> is mathematically defined in the next chapter. For now, it is safe to assume it just means constant time.) Because a node is just a container both for a value and container to a pointer to another node, it shouldn't be surprising how trivial the node data structure itself (and its implementation) is. ==Building a Chain from Nodes== Although the node structure is simple, it actually allows us to compute things that we couldn't have computed with just fixed-size integers alone. But first, we'll look at a program that doesn't need to use nodes. The following program will read in (from an input stream; which can either be from the user or a file) a series of numbers until the end-of-file is reached and then output what the largest number is and the average of all numbers: program(input-stream ''in'', output-stream ''out'') let ''total'' := 0 let ''count'' := 0 let ''largest'' := <math>-\infty</math> while has-next-integer(''in''): let ''i'' := read-integer(''in'') ''total'' := ''total'' + ''i'' ''count'' := ''count'' + 1 ''largest'' := max(''largest'', ''i'') repeat println ''out'' "Maximum: " ''largest'' if ''count'' != 0: println ''out'' "Average: " (''total'' / ''count'') fi end But now consider solving a similar task: read in a series of numbers until the end-of-file is reached, and output the largest number and the average of all numbers that evenly divide the largest number. This problem is different because it's possible the largest number will be the last one entered: if we are to compute the average of all numbers that divide that number, we'll need to somehow remember all of them. We could use variables to remember the previous numbers, but variables would only help us solve the problem when there aren't too many numbers entered. For example, suppose we were to give ourselves 200 variables to hold the state input by the user. And further suppose that each of the 200 variables had 64-bits. Even if we were very clever with our program, it could only compute results for <math>2^{64\cdot 200}</math> different types of input. While this is a very large number of combinations, a list of 300 64-bit numbers would require even more combinations to be properly encoded. (In general, the problem is said to require ''linear space''. All programs that need only a finite number of variables can be solved in ''constant space''.) Instead of building-in limitations that complicate coding (such as having only a constant number of variables), we can use the properties of the node abstraction to allow us to remember as many numbers as our computer can hold: program(input-stream ''in'', output-stream ''out'') let ''largest'' := <math>-\infty</math> let ''nodes'' := null while has-next-integer(''in''): let ''i'' := read-integer(''in'') ''nodes'' := '''make-node'''(''i'', ''nodes'') ''// contain the value i,'' ''// and remember the previous numbers too'' ''largest'' := max(''largest'', ''i'') repeat println ''out'' "Maximum: " ''largest'' ''// now compute the averages of all factors of largest'' let ''total'' := 0 let ''count'' := 0 while ''nodes'' != null: let ''j'' := '''get-value'''(''nodes'') if ''j'' divides ''largest'': ''total'' := ''total'' + ''j'' ''count'' := ''count'' + 1 fi ''nodes'' := '''get-next'''(''nodes'') repeat if ''count'' != 0: println ''out'' "Average: " (''total'' / ''count'') fi end Above, if ''n'' integers are successfully read there will be ''n'' calls made to '''make-node'''. This will require ''n'' nodes to be made (which require enough space to hold the ''value'' and ''next'' fields of each node, plus internal memory management overhead), so the memory requirements will be on the order of <math>O(n)</math>. Similarly, we construct this chain of nodes and then iterate over the chain again, which will require <math>O(n)</math> steps to make the chain, and then another <math>O(n)</math> steps to iterate over it. Note that when we iterate the numbers in the chain, we are actually looking at them in reverse order. For example, assume the numbers input to our program are 4, 7, 6, 30, and 15. After EOF is reached, the ''nodes'' chain will look like this: [[File:Labeled-singly-linked-list.svg|center]] Such chains are more commonly referred to as ''linked-lists''. However, we generally prefer to think in terms of ''lists'' or ''sequences'', which aren't as low-level: the linking concept is just an implementation detail. While a list can be made with a chain, in this book we cover several other ways to make a list. For the moment, we care more about the abstraction capabilities of the node than we do about one of the ways it is used. The above algorithm only uses the make-node, get-value, and get-next functions. If we use set-next we can change the algorithm to generate the chain so that it keeps the original ordering (instead of reversing it). {{TODO|pseudocode to do so; also TODO; should probably think of compelling, but not too-advanced, use of set-value.}} program (input-stream ''in'', output-stream ''out'') let ''largest'' := <math>-\infty</math> let ''nodes'' := null let ''tail_node'' := null while has-next-integer (''in''): let ''i'' := read-integer (''in'') if (''nodes'' == null) ''nodes'' := '''make-node'''(''i'', null) ''// construct first node in the list'' ''tail_node'' := ''nodes'' ''//there is one node in the list=> first and last are the same'' else ''tail_node'' := '''set-next''' (''tail_node'', '''make-node''' (''i'', null)) ''// append new node to the end of the list'' ''largest'' := max(''largest'', ''i'') repeat println ''out'' "Maximum: " ''largest'' ''// now compute the averages of all factors of largest'' let ''total'' := 0 let ''count'' := 0 while ''nodes'' != null: let ''j'' := '''get-value'''(''nodes'') if ''j'' divides ''largest'': ''total'' := ''total'' + ''j'' ''count'' := ''count'' + 1 fi ''nodes'' := '''get-next'''(''nodes'') repeat if ''count'' != 0: println ''out'' "Average: " (''total'' / ''count'') fi end ==The Principle of Induction== The chains we can build from nodes are a demonstration of the principle of mathematical induction: <table WIDTH="80%"> <tr><td style="background-color: #FFFFEE; border: solid 1px #FFC92E; padding: 1em;" valign=top>'''Mathematical Induction''' # Suppose you have some property of numbers <math>P(n)</math> # If you can prove that when <math>P(n)</math> holds that <math>P(n+1)</math> must also hold, then # All you need to do is prove that <math>P(1)</math> holds to show that <math>P(n)</math> holds for all natural <math>n</math></td></tr></table> For example, let the property <math>P(n)</math> be the statement that "you can make a chain that holds <math>n</math> numbers". This is a property of natural numbers, because the sentence makes sense for specific values of <math>n</math>: * you can make a chain that holds 5 numbers * you can make a chain that holds 100 numbers * you can make a chain that holds 1,000,000 numbers Instead of proving that we can make chains of length 5, 100, and one million, we'd rather prove the general statement <math>P(n)</math> instead. Step 2 above is called the '''Inductive Hypothesis'''; let's show that we can prove it: * Assume that <math>P(n)</math> holds. That is, that we can make a chain of <math>n</math> elements. Now we must show that <math>P(n+1)</math> holds. * Assume <code>''chain''</code> is the first node of the <math>n</math>-element chain. Assume <code>''i''</code> is some number that we'd like to add to the chain to make an <math>n+1</math> length chain. * The following code can accomplish this for us: let ''bigger-chain'' := '''make-node'''(''i'', ''chain'') * Here, we have the new number <code>''i''</code> that is now the contained value of the first link of the <code>''bigger-chain''</code>. If <code>''chain''</code> had <math>n</math> elements, then <code>''bigger-chain''</code> must have <math>n+1</math> elements. Step 3 above is called the '''Base Case''', let's show that we can prove it: * We must show that <math>P(1)</math> holds. That is, that we can make a chain of one element. * The following code can accomplish this for us: let ''chain'' := '''make-node'''(''i'', null) The principle of induction says, then, that we have proven that we can make a chain of <math>n</math> elements for all value of <math>n\ge 1</math>. How is this so? Probably the best way to think of induction is that it's actually a way of creating a formula to describe an infinite number of proofs. After we prove that the statement is true for <math>P(1)</math>, the base case, we can apply the inductive hypothesis to that fact to show that <math>P(2)</math> holds. Since we now know that <math>P(2)</math> holds, we can apply the inductive hypothesis again to show that <math>P(3)</math> must hold. The principle says that there is nothing to stop us from doing this repeatedly, so we should assume it holds for all cases. Induction may sound like a strange way to prove things, but it's a very useful technique. What makes the technique so useful is that it can take a hard sounding statement like "prove <math>P(n)</math> holds for all <math>n\ge 1</math>" and break it into two smaller, easier to prove statements. Typically base cases are easy to prove because they are not general statements at all. Most of the proof work is usually in the inductive hypothesis, which can often require clever ways of reformulating the statement to "attach on" a proof of the <math>n+1</math> case. You can think of the contained value of a node as a base case, while the next pointer of the node as the inductive hypothesis. Just as in mathematical induction, we can break the hard problem of storing an arbitrary number of elements into an easier problem of just storing one element and then having a mechanism to attach on further elements. ==Induction on a Summation== The next example of induction we consider is more algebraic in nature: Let's say we are given the formula <math>\frac{(n)(n+1)}{2}</math> and we want to prove that this formula gives us the sum of the first <math>n</math> numbers. As a first attempt, we might try to just show that this is true for 1 :<math>\frac{(1)(1+1)}{2} = 1 = 1</math>, for 2 :<math>\frac{(2)(2+1)}{2} = 3 = 1 + 2</math>, for 3 :<math>\frac{(3)(3+1)}{2} = 6 = 1 + 2 + 3</math> and so on, however we'd quickly realize that our so called proof would take infinitely long to write out! Even if you carried out this proof and showed it to be true for the first billion numbers, that doesn't nescessarily mean that it would be true for one billion and one or even a hundred billion. This is a strong hint that maybe induction would be useful here. Let's say we want to prove that the given formula really does give the sum of the first n numbers using induction. The first step is to prove the base case; i.e. we have to show that it is true when n = 1. This is relatively easy; we just substitute 1 for the variable n and we get (<math>\frac{(1)(1+1)}{2} = 1</math>), which shows that the formula is correct when n = 1. Now for the inductive step. We have to show that if the formula is true for j, it is also true for j + 1. To phrase it another way, assuming we've already proven that the sum from 1 to (j) is <math>\frac{((j))((j)+1)}{2}</math>, we want to prove that the sum from 1 to (j+1) is <math>\frac{((j+1))((j+1)+1)}{2}</math>. Note that those two formulas came about just by replacing n with (j) and (j+1) respectively. To prove this inductive step, first note that to calculate the sum from 1 to j+1, you can just calculate the sum from 1 to j, then add j+1 to it. We already have a formula for the sum from 1 to j, and when we add j+1 to that formula, we get this new formula: <math>\frac{((j))((j)+1)}{2}+(j+1)</math>. So to actually complete the proof, all we'd need to do is show that <math>\frac{((j))((j)+1)}{2}+(j+1) = \frac{((j+1))((j+1)+1)}{2}</math>. We can show the above equation is true via a few simplification steps: <math>\frac{((j))((j)+1)}{2}+(j+1) = \frac{((j+1))((j+1)+1)}{2}</math> <math>\frac{(j)(j+1)}{2}+j+1 = \frac{(j+1)(j+1+1)}{2}</math> <math>\frac{(j)(j+1)}{2}+\frac{2(j+1)}{2} = \frac{(j+1)(j+2)}{2}</math> <math>\frac{(j)(j+1)+2(j+1)}{2} = \frac{(j+1)(j+2)}{2}</math> <math>\frac{j^2+j+2j+2}{2} = \frac{(j+1)(j+2)}{2}</math> <math>\frac{j^2+3j+2}{2} = \frac{(j+1)(j+2)}{2}</math> <math>\frac{(j+1)(j+2)}{2} = \frac{(j+1)(j+2)}{2}</math> {{Data Structures/ChapNav}} {{BookCat}} 8d2cpjhrtd4pwz9ck30i8sxo7rzhiq8 10 23222 4639353 4636311 2026-06-08T17:23:21Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639353 wikitext text/x-wiki <div class="center metadata"> <table style="width: 60%; background: #fee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.5em;"><tr> <td style="width: 60px;">[[Image:Historical.svg|50px|web traffic]]</td> <td>'''This [[Wikibooks:module|module]] might have been copied from outside Wikibooks, and needs a reference or link to its source.'''<br /><small>Please [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} edit] this module to improve it. If this module was not copied from outside Wikibooks, please remove this message.</small></td> </tr></table> </div> <includeonly>[[Category:Wikibooks modules needing references]]</includeonly> <noinclude> ---- ''Adds page to [[:Category:Wikibooks modules needing references]].'' [[Category:Wikibooks maintenance]] </noinclude> 4xjkh8p4wxf3mpq9m3ln7r3kbie7zbl 1 26757 4639413 2605424 2026-06-08T19:06:54Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639413 wikitext text/x-wiki I see that this wikibook is nowhere even near 25% people have put it as 50% complete have changed the status to 25%. [[User:Yndesai|Yndesai]] ([[User talk:Yndesai|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yndesai|contribs]]) 12:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC) ---- Hope you don't mind me adding stuff. I like Digital Photography. :) [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 05:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) ---- We definitely need to reorganize this page. The size of the page is getting unfriendly.. [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 03:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::I think let's classify the '''Digital Camera''' sub-section, and the '''Memory/ Batteries''' sub-sections into one separate page called '''Camera Types and Accessories''' -- we can expand to include flashes, filters, etc. :::'''Taking Pictures''' and everything under it can probably be one separate page by itself.. at the moment, Pre- and Post-processing doesn't seem to have enough content to justify a page by itself, what do you think? :::So, something like this on the first page: :::*Introduction to Digital Photography (Short introduction on page) :::*Taking Digital Photos (Opens New Page) :::*Pre- and Post- Processing (Currently keep on page) :::*Digital Camera Types and Accessories (Opens New Page) [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 05:33, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) For now it would be real improvement over keeping everything on one page. I just typed such long list to have an idea what is missing in this book and how to expand it. I'm new to wiki's so can you make your proposals into this book? --[[User:Minda315|Minda315]] 06:17, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC) : No probs. Just let me do it over the weekend.. I'm at work and I'm actually supposed to '''work''' ^^; [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 06:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) ---- Ok, the above big stack of changes is somewhat done, but the '''Taking Digital Photos''' part needs to be reworked again (still too big, Wiki complains... :) Take a look through and let me know what you guys think. Two issues -- the pages are supposed to have a link at the top to point back to the previous page, doesn't seem to be working right now so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. The other thing is the standardization of URI links. I'm currently using '''<nowiki> [[wikipedia:subject|subject]] </nowiki>''' to link, but I noticed some of us using '''<nowiki>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/subject subject]</nowiki>''' to link. This does change the way Wiki renders the page. Do we want to standardize this? [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 05:48, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Yes we need standartisation. I just added link in '''<nowiki>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/subject subject]</nowiki>''' format due to lack of wiki knowledge :( Anyway links to wikipedia, in my opinion, are very useful. :'''Taking digital Photos''' in current stage is written somehow chaotic and needs to be arranged in more systematic way. It is good to view all things in practical aproach, but adding some theory, short terms descriptions (with links to wikipedia for details) won't hurt. I try to work on litle peaces, as I i have free time. One big problem is that I'm not native english speaker, and and learned english not in the scool but on my own, so my english texts are low quality :( --[[User:Minda315|Minda315]] 13:55, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC) :'''On the subject of links''', I would prefer the '''<nowiki> [[wikipedia:subject|subject]] </nowiki>''' link because it is an internal link and somehow seems more trustworthy to me. I am more hesitant to click on an external link because I have done that in the past and they've taken me to hoax sites. I would say that if we have the ability to use the specialized wikepedia links then we should standardize on that, and use only external links when linking to an external URL. --[[User:SteveJM|SteveJM]] 21:20, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) : I kind of like '''<nowiki>[[wikipedia:subject|]]</nowiki>''' :-). --[[User:DavidCary|DavidCary]] 04:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC) ---- Also, can the various contributors please update the Authors section? Would like to know who we are working with. :P [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 03:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Heh, nevermind, I've added [[User:Minda315|Minda315]] and [[User:SteveJM|SteveJM]]. [[User:Lynx7725|Lynx7725]] 05:47, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) ---- I think the outline above is a good start, making it more of a real book format rather than a glorified FAQ. But I think we will find that once we have the new structure some of the sections need to be rewritten to avoid overly duplicate information. Not to worry though, that's a bridge we can cross later. One other suggestion. I would really like to see more sample photographs that illustrate some of the concepts. I am willing to start with some myself (over the next few days). I think this could do wonders to anchor the readers attention around bits of information that this book is trying to communicate. Meanwhile, I am trying to get the hang out of editing my comments here. --[[User:SteveJM|SteveJM]] 18:37, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Hi, will give my inputs whenever I get some free time. == Hello, I like digital and film photography too and so i will try to provide inputs for this book whenever i can get some free time. seeya around :o) --[[User:Siddord|Siddord]] 07:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC) == Transwiki == You may be interested in using material from [[Transwiki:Digital camera astrophotography]]. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; ^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 00:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC) == Copying from Wikipedia? == Hey there everyone. I just have taken an interest in this wikibook, and I was wondering if there are any rules to coping from wikipedia? Check out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_photography#Sensor_size_and_angle_of_view Sensor size and angle of view] section of the Digital photography article in Wikipedia. It seems like we could almost copy/paste that section into a new "Choosing a digital Camera" section, and then edit it to give a more buyers guide type feel for the different types of digital cameras (DSLR vs point and shoot vs cell phone) Looking further into that article, about half of it would fit into a "Choosing..." section. Any ideas? :Wikipedia is open source, so there would be no problem copying it. However, I would make one point&mdash;if we want to copy the content at this moment and then let it evolve independently (which is probably appropriate here), then copy'n'paste. Updates here will contextualize the information in this source and remain independent of updates to the wikipedia page...in other words, there should be no attempt to keep them in sync. On the other hand, if we do desire to keep a solid reference to the wikipedia page, then I would recommend we link and/or reference the wikipedia entry here, perhaps providing a brief summary of the relevant content of that entry. :I don't know if this is a standard practice on Wikibooks, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be. (If your question is primarily concerned about copyright, no need&mdash;all content created for both this site and Wikipedia are completely open source and license-free.) == needed sections... == ;Technical * [[Digital Photography/File formats]] * [[Digital Photography/Megapixels and Image quality]] * [[Digital Photography/Lenses]] ;Styles * [[Digital Photography/Sports and action photography]] * [[Digital Photography/Nature photography]] * [[Digital Photography/Macro photography]] * [[Digital Photography/Landscape photography]] * [[Digital Photography/Portrait photography]] * [[Digital Photography/Panorama photography]] Just a place for me to brainstorm needed areas. --[[User:J.smith|J.smith]] ([[User talk:J.smith|talk]]) 16:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC) 90zvvrsbzkvc41vo7wo7bow6ajz95ic 0 27541 4639346 4638081 2026-06-08T17:18:59Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639346 wikitext text/x-wiki == The Arabic Numbers == Arabic Numerals (how the numbers look) consist of two types: the numerals used in most of the world, which originate from Arabic, and those used in the Arabic language today. Interestingly, while the Arabic language is written from right to left, Arabic Numerals are written from left to right, for example: “I am 42 years old today!” is translated into Arabic as “!اليوم عندي ٤٢ سنة.” A pattern you might notice is that words containing a ١ or ٢ have word-forms that differ from any patterns == Comparison of Arabic numerals == Sometimes, the numbers themselves are written in different forms, depending on the country. {|class="wikitable nounderlines" style="text-align:center;line-height:normal" |- |Western Arabic |0 (number)|0 || 1 (number)|1 || 2 (number)|2 || 3 (number)|3 || 4 (number)|4 || 5 (number)|5 || 6 (number)|6 || 7 (number)|7 || 8 (number)|8 || 9 (number)|9 || 10 (number)|10 |- |Eastern Arabic numerals{{efn|Arabic (Unicode block) U+0660 through U+0669}} | {{lang|ar|٠}} || {{lang|ar|١}} || {{lang|ar|٢}} || {{lang|ar|٣}} || {{lang|ar|٤}} || {{lang|ar|٥}} || {{lang|ar|٦}} || {{lang|ar|٧}} || {{lang|ar|٨}} || {{lang|ar|٩}} || {{lang|ar|١٠}} |- |Persian{{efn|Arabic (Unicode block) U+06F0 through U+06F9; The numbers 4, 5, and 6 are different from Eastern Arabic}} | {{lang|fa|۰}} || {{lang|fa|۱}} || {{lang|fa|۲}} || {{lang|fa|۳}} || {{lang|fa|۴}} || ''{{lang|fa|۵}}''|| {{lang|fa|۶}} || {{lang|fa|۷}} || {{lang|fa|۸}} || {{lang|fa|۹}} || {{lang|fa|۱۰}} |- |Urdu{{efn|Same Unicode characters as the Persian, but language is set to Urdu. The numerals 4, 6 and 7 are different from Persian; on some devices, this row may appear identical to Persian}} | {{lang|ur|۰}} || {{lang|ur|۱}} || {{lang|ur|۲}} || {{lang|ur|۳}} || {{lang|ur|۴}} || {{lang|ur|۵}} || {{lang|ur|۶}} || {{lang|ur|۷}} || {{lang|ur|۸}} || {{lang|ur|۹}} || {{lang|ur|۱۰}} |- |colspan=12; style="text-align:left|{{Notelist}} |} Though the Persian & Urdu variants are not often found outside of Iran & Pakistan respectively, it is not impossible to run into them. It is also accepted to use western Arabic numerals, especially in typing where they are heavily favored. In this course, we will only use the eastern Arabic numerals in order to help better recognize them ==١٠-٠== Numbers ١٠-١ have no rhyme or reason, so the best thing to do is memorize them *<span style="font-size:small">'''٠ - صفر'''</span> :ṣifr :''0 - Zero'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١ - واحد'''</span> :wāḥid :''1 - One'' * <span style="font-size:small">>'''٢- اثنان'''</span> :iṯnān :''2 - Two'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٣ - ثلاثة'''</span> :ṯalāṯa :''3 - Three'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٤ - أربعة'''</span> :ʾarbaʿa :''4 - Four'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٥ - خمسة'''</span> :ḵamsa :''5 - Five'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٦ - ستة'''</span> :sitta :''6 - Six'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٧ - سبعة'''</span> :sabʿa :''7 - Seven'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٨ - ثمانية'''</span> :ṯamāniya :''8 - Eight'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٩ - تسعة'''</span> :tisʿa :''9 - Nine'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٠ - عشرة'''</span> :ʿašara :''10 - Ten'' ==١٩-١١== Numbers ١٩-١١ are constructed by placing "عشر" after the number, with the exception of ١١ and ١٢ which have special word-forms. Even though these numbers are written with two separate words, they are spoken as if they are one, so ة is pronounced as ت *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١١ - أحد عشر'''</span> :ʾāḥida ʿašr :''11 - Eleven'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٢ - اثنا عشر'''</span> :iṯnā ʿašr :''12 - Twelve'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٣ - ثلاثة عشر'''</span> :ṯalāṯata ʿašr :''13 - Thirteen'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٤ - أربعة عشر'''</span> :ʾarbaʿata ʿašr :''14 - Fourteen'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٥ - خمسة عشر'''</span> :ḵamsata ʿašr :''15 - Fifteen'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٦ - ستة عشر'''</span> :sittata ʿašr :''16 - Sixteen'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٧ - سبعة عشر'''</span> :sabʿata ʿašr :''17 - Seventeen'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٨ - ثمانية عشر'''</span> :ṯamāniyata ʿašr :''18 - Eighteen'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٩ - تسعة عشر'''</span> :tisʿata ʿašr :''19 - Nineteen'' ==٩٠-١٠== Numbers ending with ٠, also known as tens in English, are formed methodically by replacing ـة- with ـون-; the numbers ١٠ and ٢٠ have special forms *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٠ - عشرة'''</span> :ʿašara :''10 - Ten'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٢٠ - عشرون'''</span> :ʾišrūn :''20 - Twenty'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٣٠ - ثلاثون'''</span> :ṯalāṯūn :''30 - Thirty'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٤٠ - أربعون'''</span> :ʾarbaʿūn :''40 - Forty'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٥٠ - خمسون'''</span> :ḵamsūn :''50 - Fifty'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٦٠ - ستون'''</span> :sittūn :''60 - Sixty'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٧٠ - سبعون'''</span> :sabʿūn :''70 - Seventy'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٨٠ - ثمانون'''</span> :ṯamānūn :''80 - Eighty'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٩٠ - تسعون'''</span> :tisʿūn :''90 - Ninety'' ==٩٠٠-١٠٠== Hundreds also have their own forms, made by replacing ـة- and attaching the word for hundred to the base number, ـمائة-; the numbers ١٠٠ and ٢٠٠ have special forms *<span style="font-size:small">>'''١٠٠ - مائة'''</span> :māʾa :''100 - One hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٢٠٠ - مائتين'''</span> :māʾatayn :''200 - Two hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٣٠٠ - ثلاثمائة'''</span> :ṯalāṯumāʾa :''300 - Three hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٤٠٠ - أربعمائة'''</span> :ʾarbaʿumāʾa :''400 - Four hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٥٠٠ - خمسمائة'''</span> :ḵamsumāʾa :''500 - Five hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٦٠٠ - ستمائة'''</span> :sittumāʾa :''600 - Six hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٧٠٠ - سبعمائة'''</span> :sabʿumāʾa :''700 - Seven hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٨٠٠ - ثمانيمائة'''</span> :ṯamāniyumāʾa :''800 - Eight hundred'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٩٠٠ - تسعمائة'''</span> :tisʿumāʾa :''900 - Nine hundred'' ==٩٩٩-٠== Other complex numbers under a thousand can be made placing the two words next to each other and adding the word "and", "-و", to the beginning of the next word; keep in mind that when reading numbers, the order is hundreds, ''ones,'' and ''then'' tens. Here are a few examples: *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٢٩٥ - مائتين وخمسة وتسعون'''</span> :māʾatayn wa-ḵamsa wa-tisʿūn :''295 - Two hundred ninety-five (lit. two-hundred and-five and-ninety)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٣٦٣ - ثلاثمائة وثلاثة وستون'''</span> :ṯalāṯumāʾa wa-ṯalāṯa wa-sittūn :''363 - Three hundred sixty-three (lit. three-hundred and-three and-sixty)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٤٧ - سبعة وأربعون'''</span> :sabʿa wa-ʾarbaʿūn :''47 - Forty-seven (lit. seven and-forty)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٥٠٢ - خمسمائة واثنان'''</span> :ḵamsumāʾa wa-iṯnān :''502 - Five hundred two (lit. five-hundred and-two)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٧٣٠ - سبعمائة وثلاثون'''</span> :sabʿumāʾa wa-ṯalāṯūn :''730 Seven hundred thirty (lit. seven-hundred and-thirty)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٦١ - واحد وستون'''</span> :wāḥid wa-sittūn :''61 - Sixty-one (lit. one and-sixty)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٧١٨ - سبعمائة وثمانية عشر'''</span> :sabʿumāʾa wa-ṯamāniyata ʿašr :''718 - Seven hundred eighteen (lit. seven-hundred and-eighteen)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٩٩٩ - تسعمائة وتسعة وتسعون'''</span> :tisʿumāʾa wa-tisʿa wa-tisʿūn :''999 - Nine hundred ninety-nine (lit. nine-hundred and-nine and-ninety)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٥٥ - خمسة وخمسون'''</span> :ḵamsa wa-ḵamsūn :''55 - Fifty-five (lit. five and-fifty)'' *<span style="font-size:small">>'''٦٤٢ - ستمائة واثنان وأربعون'''</span> :sittumāʾa wa-iṯnān wa-ʾarbaʿūn :''642 - Six hundred forty-two (lit. six-hundred and-two and-forty)'' ---- {{center|Back to [[Arabic]]}} {{BookCat}} 2mmqnkgkak490mxs72ah5nsqjhbcm8w 0 40412 4639462 3822664 2026-06-09T09:08:20Z ~2026-33816-91 3603736 /* CDECL */ fix article name 4639462 wikitext text/x-wiki {{x86 Disassembly/Page}} == Calling Conventions == {{Wikipedia|Calling convention}} '''Calling conventions''' are a standardized method for functions to be implemented and called by the machine. A calling convention specifies the method that a compiler sets up to access a subroutine. In theory, code from any compiler can be interfaced together, so long as the functions all have the same calling conventions. In practice however, this is not always the case. Calling conventions specify how arguments are passed to a function, how return values are passed back out of a function, how the function is called, and how the function manages the stack and its stack frame. In short, the calling convention specifies how a function call in C or C++ is converted into assembly language. Needless to say, there are many ways for this translation to occur, which is why it's so important to specify certain standard methods. If these standard conventions did not exist, it would be nearly impossible for programs created using different compilers to communicate and interact with one another. There are three major calling conventions that are used with the C language on 32-bit x86 processors: STDCALL, CDECL, and FASTCALL. In addition, there is another calling convention typically used with C++: THISCALL.<ref> Josh Lospinoso. [https://jlospinoso.github.io/assembly/c/developing/software/2015/04/04/common-x86-calling-conventions.html "Common x86 Calling Conventions"]. </ref> There are other calling conventions as well, including PASCAL and FORTRAN conventions, among others. Other processors, such as AMD64 processors (also called x86-64 processors), each have their own calling convention.<ref> [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4265970/c-to-assembly-call-convention-32bit-vs-64bit "C to assembly call convention 32bit vs 64bit"]. </ref><ref> [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20530052/asm-call-conventions "ASM call conventions"]. </ref> == Notes on Terminology == There are a few terms that we are going to be using which are mostly common sense, but which are worthy of stating directly: ;Passing arguments : "passing arguments" is a way of saying that the calling function is writing data in the place where the called function will look for them. Arguments are passed before the ''call'' instruction is executed. ;Right-to-Left and Left-to-Right : These describe the manner in which arguments are passed to the subroutine, in terms of the High-level code. For instance, the following C function call: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> MyFunction1(a, b); </syntaxhighlight> will generate the following code if passed Left-to-Right: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> push a push b call _MyFunction </syntaxhighlight> and will generate the following code if passed Right-to-Left: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> push b push a call _MyFunction </syntaxhighlight> ;Return value : Some functions return a value, and that value must be received reliably by the function's caller. The called function places its return value in a place where the calling function can get it when execution returns. The called function stores the return value before executing the ''ret'' instruction. ;Cleaning the stack : When arguments are pushed onto the stack, eventually they must be popped back off again. Whichever function, the caller or the callee, is responsible for cleaning the stack must reset the stack pointer to eliminate the passed arguments. ;Calling function (the caller): The "parent" function that calls the subroutine. Execution resumes in the calling function directly after the subroutine call, unless the program terminates inside the subroutine. ;Called function (the callee): The "child" function that gets called by the "parent." ;Name Decoration : When C code is translated to assembly code, the compiler will often "decorate" the function name by adding extra information that the linker will use to find and link to the correct functions. For most calling conventions, the decoration is very simple (often only an extra symbol or two to denote the calling convention), but in some extreme cases (notably C++ "thiscall" convention), the names are "mangled" severely. ;Entry sequence (the function prologue): a few instructions at the beginning of a function, which prepare the stack and registers for use within the function. ;Exit sequence (the function epilogue): a few instructions at the end of a function, which restore the stack and registers to the state expected by the caller, and return to the caller. Some calling conventions clean the stack in the exit sequence. ;Call sequence: a few instructions in the middle of a function (the caller) which pass the arguments and call the called function. After the called function has returned, some calling conventions have one more instruction in the call sequence to clean the stack. == Standard C Calling Conventions == The C language, by default, uses the CDECL calling convention, but most compilers allow the programmer to specify another convention via a specifier keyword. These keywords '''are not''' part of the ISO-ANSI C standard, so you should always check with your compiler documentation about implementation specifics. If a calling convention other than CDECL is to be used, or if CDECL is not the default for your compiler, and you want to manually use it, you must specify the calling convention keyword in the function declaration itself, and in any prototypes for the function. This is important because both the calling function and the called function need to know the calling convention. === CDECL === In the CDECL calling convention the following holds: *Arguments are passed on the stack in Right-to-Left order, and return values are passed in eax. *The ''calling'' function cleans the stack. This allows CDECL functions to have ''variable-length argument lists'' (aka variadic functions). For this reason the number of arguments is not appended to the name of the function by the compiler, and the assembler and the linker are therefore unable to determine if an incorrect number of arguments is used. {{Wikipedia|Variadic function}} Variadic functions usually have special entry code, generated by the va_start(), va_arg() C pseudo-functions. Consider the following C instructions: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> _cdecl int MyFunction1(int a, int b) { return a + b; } </syntaxhighlight> and the following function call: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> x = MyFunction1(2, 3); </syntaxhighlight> These would produce the following assembly listings, respectively: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> _MyFunction1: push ebp mov ebp, esp mov eax, [ebp + 8] mov edx, [ebp + 12] add eax, edx pop ebp ret </syntaxhighlight> and <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> push 3 push 2 call _MyFunction1 add esp, 8 </syntaxhighlight> When translated to assembly code, CDECL functions are almost always prepended with an underscore (that's why all previous examples have used "_" in the assembly code). === STDCALL === STDCALL, also known as "WINAPI" (and a few other names, depending on where you are reading it) is used almost exclusively by Microsoft as the standard calling convention for the Win32 API. Since STDCALL is strictly defined by Microsoft, all compilers that implement it do it the same way. *STDCALL passes arguments right-to-left, and returns the value in eax. (The Microsoft documentation erroneously claimed that arguments are passed left-to-right, but this is not the case.) *The called function cleans the stack, unlike CDECL. This means that STDCALL doesn't allow variable-length argument lists. Consider the following C function: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> _stdcall int MyFunction2(int a, int b) { return a + b; } </syntaxhighlight> and the calling instruction: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> x = MyFunction2(2, 3); </syntaxhighlight> These will produce the following respective assembly code fragments: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> :_MyFunction2@8 push ebp mov ebp, esp mov eax, [ebp + 8] mov edx, [ebp + 12] add eax, edx pop ebp ret 8 </syntaxhighlight> and <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> push 3 push 2 call _MyFunction2@8 </syntaxhighlight> There are a few important points to note here: #In the function body, the ''ret'' instruction has an (optional) argument that indicates how many bytes to pop off the stack when the function returns. #STDCALL functions are name-decorated with a leading underscore, followed by an @, and then the number (in bytes) of arguments passed on the stack. This number will always be a multiple of 4, on a 32-bit aligned machine. === FASTCALL === The FASTCALL calling convention is not completely standard across all compilers, so it should be used with caution. In FASTCALL, the first 2 or 3 32-bit (or smaller) arguments are passed in registers, with the most commonly used registers being edx, eax, and ecx. Additional arguments, or arguments larger than 4-bytes are passed on the stack, often in Right-to-Left order (similar to CDECL). The calling function most frequently is responsible for cleaning the stack, if needed. Because of the ambiguities, it is recommended that FASTCALL be used only in situations with 1, 2, or 3 32-bit arguments, where speed is essential. The following C function: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> _fastcall int MyFunction3(int a, int b) { return a + b; } </syntaxhighlight> and the following C function call: <syntaxhighlight lang="C"> x = MyFunction3(2, 3); </syntaxhighlight> Will produce the following assembly code fragments for the called, and the calling functions, respectively: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> :@MyFunction3@8 push ebp mov ebp, esp ;many compilers create a stack frame even if it isn't used add eax, edx ;a is in eax, b is in edx pop ebp ret </syntaxhighlight> and <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> ;the calling function mov eax, 2 mov edx, 3 call @MyFunction3@8 </syntaxhighlight> The name decoration for FASTCALL prepends an @ to the function name, and follows the function name with @x, where x is the number (in bytes) of arguments passed to the function. Many compilers still produce a stack frame for FASTCALL functions, especially in situations where the FASTCALL function itself calls another subroutine. However, if a FASTCALL function doesn't need a stack frame, optimizing compilers are free to omit it. Commonly gcc and Windows FASTCALL convention pushes parameters one and two into ecx and edx, respectively, before pushing any remaining parameters onto the stack. Calling MyFunction3 using this standard would look like: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> ;the calling function mov ecx, 2 mov edx, 3 call @MyFunction3@8 </syntaxhighlight> == C++ Calling Convention == C++ requires that non-static methods of a class be called by an instance of the class. Therefore it uses its own standard calling convention to ensure that pointers to the object are passed to the function: '''THISCALL'''. === THISCALL === In THISCALL, the pointer to the class object is passed in ecx, the arguments are passed Right-to-Left on the stack, and the return value is passed in eax. For instance, the following C++ instruction: <syntaxhighlight lang="Cpp"> MyObj.MyMethod(a, b, c); </syntaxhighlight> Would form the following asm code: <syntaxhighlight lang="asm"> mov ecx, MyObj push c push b push a call _MyMethod </syntaxhighlight> At least, it ''would'' look like the assembly code above if it weren't for '''name mangling'''. === Name Mangling === {{Wikipedia|Name mangling}} Because of the complexities inherent in function overloading, C++ functions are heavily name-decorated to the point that people often refer to the process as "Name Mangling." Unfortunately C++ compilers are free to do the name-mangling differently since the standard does not enforce a convention. Additionally, other issues such as exception handling are also not standardized. Since every compiler does the name-mangling differently, this book will not spend too much time discussing the specifics of the algorithm. Notice that in many cases, it's possible to determine which compiler created the executable by examining the specifics of the name-mangling format. We will not cover this topic in this much depth in this book, however. Here are a few general remarks about THISCALL name-mangled functions: *They are recognizable on sight because of their complexity when compared to CDECL, FASTCALL, and STDCALL function name decorations *They sometimes include the name of that function's class. *They almost always include the number and type of the arguments, so that overloaded functions can be differentiated by the arguments passed to it. Here is an example of a C++ class and function declaration: <syntaxhighlight lang="Cpp"> class MyClass { MyFunction(int a) { } }; </syntaxhighlight> And here is the resultant mangled name: ?MyFunction@MyClass@@QAEHH@Z === Extern "C" === In a C++ source file, functions placed in an <code>extern "C"</code> block are guaranteed not to be mangled. This is done frequently when libraries are written in C++, and the functions need to be exported without being mangled. Even though the program is written in C++ and compiled with a C++ compiler, some of the functions might therefore not be mangled and will use one of the ordinary C calling conventions (typically CDECL). == Note on Name Decorations == We've been discussing name decorations in this chapter, but the fact is that in pure disassembled code there typically are no names whatsoever, especially not names with fancy decorations. The assembly stage removes all these readable identifiers, and replaces them with the binary locations instead. Function names really only appear in two places: #Listing files produced during compilation #In export tables, if functions are exported When disassembling raw machine code, there will be no function names and no name decorations to examine. For this reason, you will need to pay more attention to the way parameters are passed, the way the stack is cleaned, and other similar details. While we haven't covered optimizations yet, suffice it to say that optimizing compilers can even make a mess out of these details. Functions which are not exported do not necessarily need to maintain standard interfaces, and if it is determined that a particular function does not need to follow a standard convention, some of the details will be optimized away. In these cases, it can be difficult to determine what calling conventions were used (if any), and it is even difficult to determine where a function begins and ends. This book cannot account for all possibilities, so we try to show as much information as possible, with the knowledge that much of the information provided here will not be available in a true disassembly situation. == Further reading == {{Wikipedia|x86 calling conventions}} {{Wikipedia|function prologue}} * [[x86 Disassembly/Calling Convention Examples]] * [[Embedded Systems/Mixed C and Assembly Programming]] describes calling conventions on other CPUs. {{reflist}} cqr6291nmfzl8xhvgyo62fk2u60wpuc 0 40544 4639357 2507174 2026-06-08T17:29:25Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639357 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude><!-- Also Included in the Preprocessor chapter --> == Standard Headers == </noinclude> {{center/top}} {| style="margin:1px; border:1px solid black; background:white; border-spacing:0px" ! colspan="3" style="padding-top:5px" | Standard Template Library |- | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#algorithm|algorithm]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#array|array]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#atomic|atomic]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#bitset|bitset]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#chrono|chrono]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#codecvt|codecvt]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#complex|complex]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#condition_variable|condition_variable]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#deque|deque]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#exception|exception]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#forward_list|forward_list]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#fstream|fstream]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#functional|functional]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#future|future]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#initializer_list|initializer_list]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#iomanip|iomanip]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ios|ios]]</tt> | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#iosfwd|iosfwd]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#iostream|iostream]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#istream|istream]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#iterator|iterator]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#limits|limits]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#list|list]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#locale|locale]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#map|map]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#memory|memory]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#mutex|mutex]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#new|new]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#numeric|numeric]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ostream|ostream]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#queue|queue]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#random|random]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ratio|ratio]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#regex|regex]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#set|set]]</tt> | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#sstream|sstream]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#stack|stack]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#stdexcept|stdexcept]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#streambuf|streambuf]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#string|string]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#strstream|strstream]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#system_error|system_error]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#thread|thread]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#tuple|tuple]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#type_traits|type_traits]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#typeinfo|typeinfo]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#typeindex|typeindex]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11">In C++11 only</ref></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#unordered_map|unordered_map]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#unordered_set|unordered_set]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#utility|utility]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#valarray|valarray]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#vector|vector]]</tt> |} '''and the ''' {| style="margin: 1px; border: 1px solid black; background: white; border-spacing: 0px" ! colspan="3" style="padding-top:5px" | Standard C Library |- | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cassert|cassert]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ccomplex|ccomplex]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cctype|cctype]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cerrno|cerrno]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cfenv|cfenv]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cfloat|cfloat]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cinttypes|cinttypes]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ciso646|ciso646]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#climits|climits]]</tt> | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#clocale|clocale]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cmath|cmath]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#csetjmp|csetjmp]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#csignal|csignal]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstdalign|cstdalign]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstdarg|cstdarg]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstdbool|cstdbool]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstddef|cstddef]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstdint|cstdint]]</tt> | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstdio|cstdio]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstdlib|cstdlib]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cstring|cstring]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ctgmath|ctgmath]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#ctime|ctime]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cuchar|cuchar]]<ref name=cpp11 group="c++11"/></tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cwchar|cwchar]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cwctype|cwctype]]</tt> * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#cwstring|cwstring]]</tt> |} {{center/end}} {{reflist|group="c++11"}} Everything inside C++'s standard library is kept in the <tt>std::</tt> namespace. Old compilers may include headers with a <tt>.h</tt> suffix (e.g. the non-standard <tt><iostream.h></tt> vs. the standard <tt><iostream></tt>) instead of the standard headers. These names were common before the standardization of C++ and some compilers still include these headers for backwards compatibility. Rather than using the <tt>std::</tt> namespace, these older headers pollute the global namespace and may otherwise only implement the standard in a limited way. Some vendors use the [[w:Silicon Graphics|SGI]] [[C++ Programming/STL|STL]] headers. This was the first implementation of the standard template library. {{center/top}} {| style="margin: 1px; border: 1px solid black; background: white; border-spacing: 0px" latexfontsize="scriptsize" ! colspan="3" style="padding-top:5px" | Non-standard but somewhat common C++ libraries |- | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#stdiostream.h|stdiostream.h]]<ref>Streams based on FILE* from stdio.h.</ref></tt> | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#stream.h|stream.h]]<ref>Precursor to iostream. Old stream library mostly included for backwards compatibility even with old compilers.</ref></tt> | * <tt>[[C++ Programming/headers#strstream.h|strstream.h]]<ref>Uses '''char'''* whereas sstream uses string. Prefer the standard library sstream.</ref></tt> |} {{center/end}} <references/> {{BookCat}} <noinclude>{{displaytitle|title=C++ Programming: Language Standard Headers}}</noinclude> tgn0qvmkgs9slfvhy9u7ntev0gokswc 0 45304 4639472 4639049 2026-06-09T10:07:40Z ~2026-33461-78 3601550 /* A2 Formulae */ 4639472 wikitext text/x-wiki Equations, constants, and other useful data. Equations and constants are given in the formulae booklet unless stated otherwise. ==AS Formulae== ===Unit 1 - Mechanics=== <math> \text{efficiency} = \frac{\text{useful energy output}}{\text{total energy input}} \times 100\% </math> ==== Kinematics Equations ==== * <math>v = u + a t</math> * <math>a = \frac {\Delta v}{\Delta t} = \frac{v -u}{t}</math> * <math> s = \frac{1}{2}(u + v)t </math> * <math>s = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2</math> * <math>v^2 = u^2 + 2 a s </math> ==== Forces, Moments and Pressure ==== *<math> F_x = Fcos\theta</math> *<math> F_y = Fsin\theta </math> * <math>F = ma </math> * <math> W = mg </math> * <math> \text{moment} = Fx </math> *<math> \text{torque} = Fd </math> * <math>\rho = \frac{m}{V} </math> * <math>p = \frac{F}{A} </math> ==== Work, Energy and Power ==== * <math> W=F_xcos\theta</math> * <math>E_k = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 </math> * <math>E_p = mgh\ </math> * <math>P = \frac {\Delta W}{\Delta t} </math> Not given in formulae booklet. ==== Deforming Solids ==== * <math> F = kx </math> * <math> E = \frac{1}{2}Fx = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 </math> * <math> \text{stress} = \frac{F}{A} </math> * <math> \text{strain} = \frac{x}{L} </math> * <math> \text{Young modulus} = \frac{\text{stress}}{\text{strain}} </math> ===Unit 2 - Electrons, Waves and Photons=== ====Electricity==== * <math>\Delta Q = I\Delta t </math> * <math>I = Anev </math> * <math>W=VQ </math> * <math>V=IR </math> * <math>R = \frac{\rho L}{A} </math> * <math>P = VI = I^2 R = \frac{V^2}{R} </math> * <math>W=VIt</math> * <math>e.m.f = V +Ir </math> * <math>V_\text{out} = \frac{R_2}{R_1 + R_2} \times V_\text{in} </math> * <math>R=R_1+R_2+\cdots </math> * <math>\frac{1}{R} = \frac{1}{R_1}+\frac{1}{R_2}+\cdots </math> ** If there are only two resistors, this simplified equation can be used which isn't given in booklet: <br/><math>R = \frac{R_1 R_2}{R_1+R_2}</math> ====Waves and Photons==== * <math> f = \frac{1}{T}</math> This is NOT given in the unit 2 section of the booklet but '''IS given in the unit 4 section'''. * <math>v = f\lambda </math> * <math>\lambda = \frac{ax}{D} </math> * <math>E = hf = \frac{hc}{\lambda}</math> * <math>hf = \phi + KE_\text{max} </math> * <math>\lambda = \frac{h}{mv} </math> * <math> \text{intensity} = \frac{\text{power}}{\text{cross-section area}}</math> * The following equations are NOT given in the formulae booklet ** <math>\text{intensity}\propto\text{amplitude}^2</math> ** The following equation is known as '''Malus's Law''': *** <math>I = I_0 cos^2{\theta}</math> ** '''Malus's Law''' can also be given in terms of amplitude: ***<math> A = A_0 cos^2{\theta}</math> ==A2 Formulae 67== ===Unit 4 - The Newtonian World=== ===Unit 5 - Fields, Particles and Frontiers of Physics=== {{BookCat}} 7cwo7h7mt5q2hf6irn1sw9ik3jiknnx 0 46670 4639376 4634559 2026-06-08T17:48:26Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639376 wikitext text/x-wiki {{XML-MDE|prev=XPath|next=CSS}} <table cellspacing=10 cellpadding=10 border=5> <tr> <td> <span style="font-size:large"><b>Learning objectives</b></span> <br> <ul> <li> <span style="font-size:medium"> Learn different techniques of implementing XLink's in XML</span></li> <li> <span style="font-size:medium"> create a custom XLink</span></li> <li> <span style="font-size:medium"> learn the functionality behind various XLink parameters</span></li> </ul> </td> <td> sponsored by: <br><br> {{center/top}} <span style="font-size:medium"><b>The University of Georgia</b></span> <br><br> <span style="font-size:x-large; color:#990000"><b>Terry College of Business</b></span> <br><br> <span style="font-size:medium"><b>Department of Management Information Systems</b></span> {{center/end}} </td> </tr> </table> <br><br> ==Introduction== Through the use of Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI's), an '''XLink''' allows elements to be inserted into XML documents that create links between resources such as documents, images, files and other pages. An XLink is similar in concept to an HTML hyperlink, but is more powerful and flexible. This chapter will be a general overview of the XLink syntax. It will also provide exposure to some of XLink's basic concepts. For the full XLink specification, see the latest version of the standard at: http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink ==XLink== XLinks create a linking relationship between two or more resources. They allow for any XML element, image, text or markup files to be specified in the link. By using a method similar to the centralized formatting of XSL stylesheets, XLinks allow a document's hyperlinks to be isolated and centralized in a separate document. As a linked document's addresses changes, the XLink remains functional. The use of XLink requires the declaration of the [http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink/ XLink namespace]. This namespace provides the global attributes for type, href, role, arcrole, title, show, actuate, label, from and to. The following example would make the prefix xlink available within the tourGuide element. <syntaxhighlight lang="xml"> <tourGuide xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"> ... </tourGuide> </syntaxhighlight> ==XLink global attributes== The following table outlines the attributes that can be used with the xlink namespace. The global attributes are type, href, role, arcrole, title, show, actuate, label, from, and to. The table also includes descriptions of how the attributes can be used. '''Exhibit 1: Table of global attributes'''<br> <table cellspacing=10 cellpadding=10 border=5> <tr> <td> <span style="font-size:medium"><b>Attributes</b></span> </td> <td> <span style="font-size:medium"><b>Description and Valid Values</b></span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>type</b> </td> <td> Describes the meaning of an item<br> <ul> <li>simple - basic format similar to html linkage</li> <li>extended - more complex than simple types with multi functional format</li> <li>resource - provides local resources</li> <li>locator - provides remote resources</li> <li>arc - provides the ability to traverse from one resource to another</li> <li>title - readable name or explanation of link</li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>href</b> </td> <td> Location of resource<br> <ul> <li>value is URI</li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>role</b> </td> <td> Description of XLink's content<br> <ul> <li>value is URI</li> <li>describes the element whose role it is</li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>arcrole</b> </td> <td> Description of XLink's content<br> <ul> <li>value is URI</li> <li>describe the relationship between the two sides of the arc</li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>title</b> </td> <td> Name displayed, usually short description of link<br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>show</b> </td> <td> Describes behavior of the browser once the XLink has been actuated and loaded<br> <ul> <li>new - load in a new window or frame</li> <li>replace - load in same window or frame</li> <li>embed - replace the current item</li> <li>other - look for information elsewhere</li> <li>none - not specified</li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>actuate</b> </td> <td> Specifies when resource is retrieved or link processing occurs<br> <ul> <li>onRequest - when user requests the link</li> <li>onLoad - when page is loaded</li> <li>other - looks for information elsewhere</li> <li>none - not specified</li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <b>label, from & to</b> </td> <td> Specifies link direction </td> </tr> </table> <br><br> ==XML schema== <br> The following XML schema defines a tour guide that contains at least one city. Each city contains one or more attractions. The name of each attraction is an XLink. '''Exhibit 2: XML schema for TourGuide''' <syntaxhighlight lang="xml"> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!-- Document : TourGuide.xsd Created on : February 28, 2006 Author : Billy Timmins --> <!-- Declaration of usage of xlink Namespace --> <xsd:schema xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" elementFormDefault="unqualified" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"> <xsd:element name="tourGuide"> <xsd:complexType> <xsd:sequence> <xsd:element name="city" type="cityDetails" minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="unbounded" /> </xsd:sequence> </xsd:complexType> </xsd:element> <!-- This section will contain the City details --> <xsd:complexType name="cityDetails"> <xsd:sequence> <xsd:element name="cityName" type="xsd:string"/> <xsd:element name="adminUnit" type="xsd:string"/> <xsd:element name="country" type="xsd:string"/> <xsd:element name="continent"> <xsd:simpleType> <xsd:restriction base="xsd:string"> <xsd:enumeration value="Asia"/> <xsd:enumeration value="Africa"/> <xsd:enumeration value="Australia"/> <xsd:enumeration value="Europe"/> <xsd:enumeration value="North America"/> <xsd:enumeration value="South America"/> <xsd:enumeration value="Antarctica"/> </xsd:restriction> </xsd:simpleType> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="population" type="xsd:integer"/> <xsd:element name="description" type="xsd:string"/> <xsd:element name="attraction" type="attractionDetails" minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="unbounded"/> </xsd:sequence> </xsd:complexType> <xsd:complexType name="attractionDetails"> <xsd:sequence> <!-- Note use of xlink --> <xsd:element name="attractionName" xlink:type="simple"/> <xsd:element name="attractionDescription" type="xsd:string"/> <xsd:element name="attractionRating" type="xsd:integer"/> </xsd:sequence> </xsd:complexType> </xsd:schema> </syntaxhighlight> ==XML document== <br> The following XML document shows how the XLink, attractionName, defined in the XML schema, is used in an XML document. Note that it is necessary to include xlink:href="" within the attribute tags in order to define the linked website. '''Exhibit 3: XML document for TourGuide.xsd (using XLink)''' <syntaxhighlight lang="xml"> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!-- Document : SomeTourGuide.xml Created on : February 28, 2006 Author : Billy Timmins --> <!-- Declaration of usage of XLink Namespace --> <?xml-stylesheet href="TourGuide.xsl" type="text/xsl"?> <tourGuide xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="TourGuide.xsd"> <city> <cityName>Atlanta</cityName> <adminUnit>Georgia</adminUnit> <country>USA</country> <continent>North America</continent> <population>425000</population> <description>Atlanta is the capital of and largest city in the U.S. state of Georgia.</description> <attraction> <!-- Declaration of XLink and associated link --> <attractionName xlink:href="http://www.georgiaaquarium.org/"> Georgia Aquarium </attractionName> <attractionDescription>World’s Largest Aquarium</attractionDescription> <attractionRating>5</attractionRating> </attraction> <attraction> <!-- Declaration of XLink and associated link --> <attractionName xlink:href="http://www.high.org/"> High Museum of Art </attractionName> <attractionDescription>The High Museum of Art, founded in 1905 as the Atlanta Art Association, is the leading art museum in the Southeastern United States.</attractionDescription> <attractionRating>4</attractionRating> </attraction> <attraction> <!-- Declaration of XLink and associated link --> <attractionName xlink:href="http://www.underground-atlanta.com/"> Underground Atlanta </attractionName> <attractionDescription> Go beneath the streets of a bustling downtown, to the heart of a great American city. Underground Atlanta is at the center of it all.</attractionDescription> <attractionRating>2</attractionRating> </attraction> </city> <city> <cityName>Tampa</cityName> <adminUnit>Florida</adminUnit> <country>USA</country> <continent>North America</continent> <population>303000</population> <description>Tampa is a major United States city located in Hillsborough County, on the west coast of Florida.</description> <attraction> <!-- Declaration of XLink and associated link --> <attractionName xlink:href="http://www.buschgardens.com/buschgardens/fla/default.aspx"> Bush Gardens </attractionName> <attractionDescription>The nation's fourth largest zoo, Bush Gardens is where you can see African animals roaming free and an exciting amusement park featuring its world-famous rides like Kumba and the new inverted roller-coaster, Montu.</attractionDescription> <attractionRating>5</attractionRating> </attraction> <attraction> <!-- Declaration of XLink and associated link --> <attractionName xlink:href="http://www.plantmuseum.com/"> Henry B. Plant Museum </attractionName> <attractionDescription>Discover a museum which transports you to turn-of-the-century Florida.</attractionDescription> <attractionRating>1</attractionRating> </attraction> </city> </tourGuide></syntaxhighlight> ==XML stylesheet== <br> The following XML stylesheet displays the contents of the XML document. '''Exhibit 4: XML stylesheet TourGuide''' <syntaxhighlight lang="xml"> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!-- Document : TourGuide.xsl Created on : February 28, 2006 Author : Billy Timmins --> <!-- Declaration of usage of XLink Namespace --> <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" exclude-result-prefixes="xlink" version="1.0"> <xsl:output method="html"/> <!-- Attribute XLink defined as an href of simple type --> <xsl:template match="*[@xlink:type = 'simple' and @xlink:href]"> <a href="{@xlink:href}"> <xsl:apply-templates/> </a> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="/"> <html> <head> <title>Tour Guide XLink Example</title> </head> <body> <h2>Cities</h2> <xsl:apply-templates select="tourGuide"/> </body> </html> </xsl:template> <!-- template for handling a link --> <xsl:template match="attractionName"> <a href="{@xlink:href}"> <xsl:value-of select="."/> </a> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="tourGuide"> <table border="1" width="100%"> <xsl:for-each select="city"> <tr> <td> <br/> <xsl:text>City: </xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="cityName"/> <br/> <xsl:text>County: </xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="adminUnit"/> <br/> <xsl:text>Continent: </xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="continent"/> <br/> <xsl:text>Population: </xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="population"/> <br/> <xsl:text>Description: </xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="description"/> <br/> <br/> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <xsl:text>Attraction: </xsl:text> </td> <td> <xsl:text>Attraction Description: </xsl:text> </td> <td> <xsl:text>Attraction Rating: </xsl:text> </td> </tr> <xsl:for-each select="attraction"> <tr> <td> <!-- application of the template --> <xsl:apply-templates select="attractionName"/> </td> <td> <xsl:value-of select="attractionDescription"/> </td> <td> <xsl:value-of select="attractionRating"/> </td> </tr> </xsl:for-each> </xsl:for-each> </table> </xsl:template> </xsl:stylesheet> </syntaxhighlight> == Summary == {| style="background:linen; border: 1px solid black; padding: 1em; width: 100%;" |- | XLink is an extremely versatile specification that standardizes the process for linking to other data sources. Not only does XLink support unidirectional linking similar to an anchor tag in HTML but also can be used to create bidirectional links. Additionally, XLink allows for the linkage from any XML element. This gives great freedom to the developer. |- |} == [[/Exercises|Exercises]] == == [[/Answers|Answers]] == {{BookCat}} 8rvuh9ygcnqo1v7krh3bsp6tye7pavs 0 49647 4639451 3509962 2026-06-09T03:24:17Z Myasuda 305859 sp 4639451 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Calculus/Top Nav|Extrema and Points of Inflection|Related Rates}} '''Newton's Method''' (also called the Newton-Raphson method) is a recursive algorithm for approximating the root of a differentiable function. We know simple formulas for finding the roots of linear and quadratic equations, and there are also more complicated formulae for cubic and quartic equations. At one time it was hoped that there would be formulas found for equations of quintic and higher-degree, though it was later shown by [[w:Niels Henrik Abel|Niels Henrik Abel]] that no such equations exist. The Newton-Raphson method is a method for approximating the roots of polynomial equations of any order. In fact the method works for any equation, polynomial or not, as long as the function is differentiable in a desired interval. <table WIDTH="75%"><tr><td style="background-color: #FFFFFF; border: solid 1px #D6D6FF; padding: 1em; margin: 0px auto;" valign=top> <center>Newton's Method</center> Let <math>f(x)</math> be a differentiable function. Select a point <math>x_0</math> based on a first approximation to the root, arbitrarily close to the function's root. To approximate the root you then recursively calculate using: :<math>x_{n+1}=x_n-\frac{f(x_n)}{f'(x_n)}</math> As you recursively calculate, the <math>x_{n+1}</math>'s often become increasingly better approximations of the function's root. </table> In order to explain Newton's method, imagine that <math>x_0</math> is already very close to a 0 of <math>f(x)</math> . We know that if we only look at points very close to <math>x_0</math> then <math>f(x)</math> looks like its tangent line. If <math>x_0</math> was already close to the place where <math>f(x)</math> was 0, and near <math>x_0</math> we know that <math>f(x)</math> looks like its tangent line, then we hope the 0 of the tangent line at <math>x_0</math> is a better approximation then <math>x_0</math> itself. The equation for the tangent line to <math>f(x)</math> at <math>x_0</math> is given by :<math>y=f'(x_0)\cdot(x-x_0)+f(x_0)</math> Now we set <math>y=0</math> and solve for <math>x</math> . :<math>0=f'(x_0)\cdot(x-x_0)+f(x_0)</math> :<math>-f(x_0)=f'(x_0)\cdot(x-x_0)</math> :<math>\frac{-f(x_0)}{f'(x_0)}=(x-x_0)</math> :<math>x=\frac{-f(x_0)}{f'(x_0)}+x_0</math> This value of <math>x</math> we feel should be a better guess for the value of <math>x</math> where <math>f(x)=0</math> . We choose to call this value of <math>x_1</math> , and a little algebra we have :<math>x_1=x_0-\frac{f(x_0)}{f'(x_0)}</math> If our intuition was correct and <math>x_1</math> is in fact a better approximation for the root of <math>f(x)</math> , then our logic should apply equally well at <math>x_1</math> . We could look to the place where the tangent line at <math>x_1</math> is zero. We call <math>x_2</math> , following the algebra above we arrive at the formula :<math>x_2=x_1-\frac{f(x_1)}{f'(x_1)}</math> And we can continue in this way as long as we wish. At each step, if your current approximation is <math>x_n</math> our new approximation will be <math>x_{n+1}=x_n-\frac{f(x_n)}{f'(x_n)}</math> . ==Examples== Find the root of the function <math>f(x)=x^2</math>. [[Image:Newtons_method_x2.png|frame|Figure 1: A few iterations of Newton's method applied to <math>y=x^2</math> starting with <math>x_0=4</math> . The blue curve is <math>f(x)</math> . The other solid lines are the tangents at the various iteration points.]] <math>\begin{align}x_0&=&4\\ x_1&=&x_0-\frac{f(x_0)}{f'(x_0)}=4-\frac{16}{8}=2\\ x_2&=&x_1-\frac{f(x_1)}{f'(x_1)}=2-\frac{4}{4}=1\\ x_3&=&x_2-\frac{f(x_2)}{f'(x_2)}=1-\frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{2}\\ x_4&=&x_3-\frac{f(x_3)}{f'(x_3)}=\frac{1}{2}-\frac{\frac{1}{4}}{1}=\frac{1}{4}\\ x_5&=&x_4-\frac{f(x_4)}{f'(x_4)}=\frac{1}{4}-\frac{\frac{1}{16}}{\frac{1}{2}}=\frac{1}{8}\\ x_6&=&x_5-\frac{f(x_5)}{f'(x_5)}=\frac{1}{8}-\frac{\frac{1}{64}}{\frac{1}{4}}=\frac{1}{16}\\ x_7&=&x_6-\frac{f(x_6)}{f'(x_6)}=\frac{\frac{1}{256}}{\frac{1}{8}}=\frac{1}{32}\end{align}</math> As you can see <math>x_n</math> is gradually approaching 0 (which we know is the root of <math>f(x)</math>) . One can approach the function's root with arbitrary accuracy. Answer: <math>f(x)=x^2</math> has a root at <math>x=0</math>. ==Notes== [[Image:Newtons_method_failure.png|300px|thumb|Figure 2: Newton's method applied to the function<br/><math>f(x)=\begin{cases}\sqrt{x-4},&\text{for }x\ge4\\ -\sqrt{4-x},&\text{for }x<4\end{cases}</math><br/>starting with <math>x_0=2</math> .]] This method fails when <math>f'(x)=0</math> . In that case, one should choose a new starting place. Occasionally it may happen that <math>f(x)=0</math> and <math>f'(x)=0</math> have a common root. To detect whether this is true, we should first find the solutions of <math>f'(x)=0</math> , and then check the value of <math>f(x)</math> at these places. Newton's method also may not converge for every function, take as an example: :<math>f(x)=\begin{cases}\sqrt{x-r},&\text{for }x\ge r\\-\sqrt{r-x},&\text{for },x<r\end{cases}</math> For this function choosing any <math>x_1=r-h</math> then <math>x_2=r+h</math> would cause successive approximations to alternate back and forth, so no amount of iteration would get us any closer to the root than our first guess. [[Image:Newtons_method_local_min.png|300px|thumb|left|Figure 3: Newton's method, when applied to the function <math>f(x)=x^5-x+1</math> with initial guess <math>x_0=0</math> , eventually iterates between the three points shown above.]] Newton's method may also fail to converge on a root if the function has a local maximum or minimum that does not cross the x-axis. As an example, consider <math>f(x)=x^5-x+1</math> with initial guess <math>x_0=0</math> . In this case, Newton's method will be fooled by the function, which dips toward the x-axis but never crosses it in the vicinity of the initial guess. ==See also== *[[Wikipedia:Newton's method]] *[[Fractals/Mathematics/Newton method|Wikibooks]] *[[Wikipedia:Abel–Ruffini theorem]] {{Commons category|Newton Method}} {{Calculus/Top Nav|Extrema and Points of Inflection|Related Rates}} {{Calculus/TOC}} [[Category:Newton's method]] eipokbeyg7udad4w3e9vjclpn8wv9vc 0 56716 4639379 4634552 2026-06-08T17:52:01Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639379 wikitext text/x-wiki {{center/top}} Single-Entity CHAPTER => [[XML - Managing Data Exchange/A single entity|A Single Entity]] Single-Entity ANSWERS => [[XML - Managing Data Exchange/A single entity/Answers|Answers]] {{center/end}} ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <b><span style="font-size:large">Class Example - Wine Store</span></b> Develop an XML Document, an XML Schema, and an XML Stylesheet that integrate information about the wine found in a wine store: wine id, winery, vintage, style, country, region, cost, price, inventory level, and description. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- '''1.''' A museum problem. :a. Create an XML schema to describe a museum entity that has the following attributes: museum name, date established, address and URL. Check that it is well-formed and valid. :b. Using the schema, create an XML document and populate it with data for two museums. Check that it is well-formed and valid. :c. Write an XML stylesheet to display the name of the museum, date established and the URL. Check that it is well-formed and valid. '''2.''' XML dataflow model. Try to build a dataflow model containing the following components and how they work together:<br/> - XSL stylesheet<br/> - XML documents<br/> - XML schema<br/> - XSL(T) Processor<br/> - different outputs '''3.''' A fraternity or sorority problem. :a. Create an XML schema to describe a fraternity or sorority that has the following attributes: name of organization, type of organization (fraternity or sorority), address, URL. Check that it is well formed and valid. :b. Using the schema, create an XML document and populate it with data for two organizations. Check that it is well-formed and valid. :c. Write an XML stylesheet to display the name of the organization, type of organization, address and the URL. Check that it is well-formed and valid. '''4.'''Concept to XML. Using the output below, design an XML Document, XML Schema, and XML Stylesheet that will produce such a display. {|border=1 cellpadding=5 !Actor !Information |- |Brad Pitt || 18 December 1963 <br> Shawnee, Oklahoma |- |Julia Roberts || 28 October 1967 <br> Smyrna, Georgia |- |George Clooney || 6 May 1961 <br> Lexington, Kentucky |- |Renée Zellweger || 25 April 1969 <br> Katy, Texas |- |Johnny Depp || 9 June 1963 <br> Owensboro, Kentucky, USA |- |Jennifer Aniston || 11 February 1969 <br> Sherman Oaks, California |- |Samuel L. Jackson || 21 December 1948 <br> Washington, District of Columbia |- |Nicole Kidman || 20 June 1967 <br> Honolulu, Hawaii |} {{center/top}} Single-Entity CHAPTER => [[XML - Managing Data Exchange/A single entity|A Single Entity]] Single-Entity ANSWERS => [[XML - Managing Data Exchange/A single entity/Answers|Answers]] {{center/end}} {{BookCat}} 4v3bmm08kpn9tvkz0v2pbyqcam4tipa 1 66934 4639426 3222409 2026-06-08T19:29:50Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639426 wikitext text/x-wiki Along the lines of The Surrey Zoo, should the Forest of Dean be mentioned? -- [[User:Nathan 314159|Nathan 314159]] ([[User talk:Nathan 314159|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nathan 314159|contribs]]) 17:59, 25 May 2017 (UTC) :I suppose so... let's see what I can do. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 04:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC) St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries -- [[User:86.120.225.27|86.120.225.27]] 11:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC) There seems to be a Diagon Alley article on Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagon_Alley --[[User:70.177.108.78|70.177.108.78]] 23:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :There's a lot of HP stuff on Wikipedia. However, this book should barely be connected to those articles. The Muggles' Guide is about analysis and understanding of the work, not just fact lists and poppy fan information. We hope to present serious information here in order to help readers understand connections in the books. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 23:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Should there be an entry for the Hospital Wing at Hogwarts? Harry certainly seems to spend enough time there, and things to happen there as well... but it's also pretty self-explanatory. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] 08:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC) :I personally would think no for now. We could add it later when we want, but I really want to see a "version 1.0" of this book sometime soon. I'd like for existing pages to be fully developed first, then we can go through and find little details to work on. Once we get a PDF of this out, I think we will make serious news, at least with the HP community. This is the first of its kind and a great resource for readers. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 15:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC) ::By the same logic, I would expect that we should at least temporarily hold off on creating an entry for the Hogwarts Express. Granted again that a lot of stuff happens there -- about a chapter's worth in each book -- it's pretty self-explanatory. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] 18:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) ::Also, I think we should reduce the amount of locations on Diagon Alley in the list as some of them are only mentioned very occasionally eg Florean Fortescue's, Eeylops Owl Emporium etc. anyone with me..? [[User:Dan-the-man278|Dan-the-man278]] 13:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC) :::No. They appear in the books; Florean Fortescue in particular is a haven for Harry in book 3, and his departure from Diagon Alley is a matter of some concern in book 6. Leaving them as they are, mentioned as part of another place (Diagon Alley) is reasonable; giving them a separate page, I think, is not, or at least is not yet. The Leaky Cauldron plays a large enough part that it might merit having its own page, eventually; likewise Quality Quidditch Supplies, Madam Malkin's, Florean Fortescue's, Flourish & Blotts, and Ollivander's might one day have individual pages. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 15:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC) For reference, when/if creating [[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/Malfoy Manor|Malfoy Manor]], we could use [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malfoy_Manor&oldid=147055927 this old wikipedia revision]. -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] 06:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC) :Furthermore, various Harry Potter articles on Wikipedia are being AfDed now that people rushed there to create a bunch of minor articles (a huge problem at Wikipedia in my opinion but that's not for here) and we might be able to Transwiki those out if they are in impending doom. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 12:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC) == internal links == I have matched (and updated) all the places' appearance info with the "new places visited" sections of the books. Left out were: *[[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/Platform 9 and Three Quarters|Platform 9-3/4]] *[[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/Headmaster's Office, Hogwarts|Headmaster's Office, Hogwarts]] *[[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/Room of Requirement|Room of Requirement]] *[[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/Riddle Manor|Riddle Manor, Little Hangleton]] *[[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/Shrieking Shack|The Shrieking Shack]] *[[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Places/St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries|St. Mungo's Hospital]] Arguably less important: Gryffindor House, Hufflepuff House, Ravenclaw House, Slytherin House, Gringotts, The Hog's Head Inn, The Three Broomsticks, Honeyduke's Sweetshop, Borgin and Burkes. -- [[User:Jokes Free4Me|Jokes Free4Me]] ([[User talk:Jokes Free4Me|talk]]) 18:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC) 05x9qegollbwvmj1j9dzvp5ubmgxlp0 4 79071 4639415 4415742 2026-06-08T19:09:06Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639415 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Creating account does not work == When trying to create an account the picture wouldn't show up blocking me from creating the account. In other wikis this is no problem. I use Firefox 1501, several extensions which work perfectly well with other wikis. Java/script are on. -- [[User:Hvezd|Hvezd]] 09:12, 2006-04-29 (UTC) : Can you try again at [[Special:Userlogin]]? From my copy of (outdated) Firefox 1.0.6, I was able to see image. : Of course, check that you did not tell Firefox to block images from en.wikibooks.org. (Most of the images on this site are from upload.wikimedia.org, so you would still be able to see them.) Right-click the words-image and make sure "Block images from en.wikibooks.org" is '''not''' checked. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 08:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks. I never blocked any file of any wiki-site. I created accounts in other wikis before without any problem. I could create an account in wikibooks via IE. Firefox showed the missing picture file in other wikis, just not in wikibooks. Now, 3 days later, it works again. No idea why. -- [[User:Hvezd|Hvezd]] 12:45, 2006-05-02 (UTC) ==Sidebar== I've been bold and tried to improve the sidebar. Unfortunately, for some reason I can't fathom, the two items under "search" appear out of kilter. The page that feeds into the sidebar is [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]. If anyone can see what's wrong please let me know (the page is protected so only admins can edit it). Of course, if you have ideas for improvements yourself, let us know too:) [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC) : This shows that [[m:Be bold]] should apply to "MediaWiki:" pages even though only [[Wikibooks:administrators|administrators]] can edit those. : The problem with "search" was that the text was centered. This is because both the "search" (By subject, Alphabetically) and "search" (text field, Go button, Search button) sections are <code><nowiki><div class="portlet" id="p-search"></nowiki></code> in the HTML. The stylesheet centers the second "search" section, and thus also the first. I believe that I fixed the problem by changing "search" to "books". --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 08:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC) : ... maybe I should have set it to "textbooks" instead of "books" ... --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 02:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC) == [[BDSM]] on [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion]] == Since the [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion]] page is rarely used, this is to notify everyone that I have listed a module there. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 06:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC) == [[Preparing for an Employment Interview]] == I would like to rename this book to something that is more concise, and would be easier to find. I'm looking for suggestions now, because I would like to start doing some major work on this book, such as breaking it down into sub pages, and working on the formatting etc. I don't want to make a bunch of subpages now, and then have to go back and rename all of them when we think of a better name. I would certainly appreciate any suggestions that anybody has on this matter. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[Control Systems|current]])</small> 19:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC) : I agree that it's a bit of an awkward title, but I couldn't think of something nicer unless you want to roll it into a general-purpose "Interviewing" book. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC) ::True, but even then, it covers resume building and cover-letter writing. I was thinking something like "Get a Job", but i feel like that's too base. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[Control Systems|current]])</small> 21:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC) [[Preparing for a job interview]]? [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC) :That still seems too long a title. Maybe i'm just being unnecessarily picky, however. I just want something that will be easy to find in the "search box" by newcomers, although maybe this subject doesn't lend itself easily to that. Since this is on the "How-to bookshelf", I'm thinking we can go with the general scheme of things over there and imply the title with How-To: "Get a Job". --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]])([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 16:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Most titles on Wikibooks are actually short. We have many one-word titles like [[Calculus]]? [[Feminism]]? I suggest longer titles. With very long titles, one can attempt shorthand, as in [[Guide to Unix]] for "Wikibooks Guide to Unix Computing". --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 00:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC) ::::I generally prefer shorter titles, just because it is easier to do an effective search for a short title then for a long one. For instance, it would be much quicker to search for [[Unix]] then for [[Guide to Unix]]. That's just me though. I'm leaning towards (how to)[[Find a Job]]. because it's on the how-to bookshelf, and many of the titles there imply the "how to". --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]])([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 13:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC) ::Interview preparation is another and shorter option. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 21:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC) I think i'm going to just name this one "Find Employment" for now, because I would like to start working on this project more, and i'm impatient. If anybody has a better title for it, feel free to move it. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]])([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 21:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC) == what do i need to do to be able to hear the sound files here at wikibook? == im havin troubles, since its in .ogg format :( [[User:Jane kiedis|Jane kiedis]] 21:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC) Jane kiedis :[[w:Winamp|Winamp]] can play .ogg quite well. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC) ::http://www.vorbis.com/setup/ --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 03:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC) == Why [[Talk:Ada Programming/Contributing]] was deleted? == As you can see, this page was deleted [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Talk%3AAda+Programming%2FContributing] with the unique comment of "There is no module". I think this page does not qualify as a speedy deletion. This one was a page with metainformation about the [[Ada Programming]] book targeted to the contributors. I guess it was deleted because there was not a corresponding module page, but a deletion of useful content without warning is a bit aggressive behaivour. Please, could some administrator undelete it? On the other hand, is there an appropiate space for metainformation about a book? We discussed that topic in [[Talk:Ada_Programming/Contributors_lounge]] and then we moved the page, that previously was in the main namespace [[Ada Programming/Contributing]], to the talk namespace. I didn't feel totally satisfied, but never thought a useful talk page would be deleted only because there was not a correspondent content page. [[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 12:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC) : The book contributors should be able to choose whatever forum they like to discuss the project as a whole. The cookbook uses [[Talk:Cookbook]] as a sort of staff lounge, but we also have [[Cookbook:Policy]] for defining contributing guidelines. An admin should undelete the page. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 13:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC) :Restored. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 21:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC) == RFC Jimbo == I have requested Jimbo explain wikimedia's policy with respect to howtos on [[w:User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Wikibooks_Howtos|his WP talk page]]. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 23:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC) : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=52863097&oldid=52860196 Jimbo has responded]. His position is that most of the howtos should go. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 18:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC) == Recruiting Contributors == I have been working on a very ambitious Wikibook [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book|project]] since October, and have so far attracted two contributors. One of them has disappeared, and I expect the second one to disappear soon because the module for which he has expertise is nearly complete. I have been trying to attract more contributors from the community at which this work is directed, but so far, I have had little success. So now I have an idea that I'd like to get some feedback on. I would like to have custom lapel pins made for Wikibook contributors. Contribute to "my" book, and I'll send a free pin. Unfortunately, it looks like the minimum order is 50 or 100, depending on who you go to, and then the price for the whole lot runs from between $170 to $250 (US). First, I surely am not going to need anywhere near 50 pins - 5 or 10 is probably more like it. Also, I am unwilling to devote my financial resources to something that has a risky return (pins might not attract contributors). However, if the pin design were a generic Wikibooks design, then I can imagine that the risk (and cost) could be shared by many Wikibookians. The most promising supplier looks to me like it might be [http://4lapelpins.com| these guys] (no minimum order, but the difference between 20 pins and 50 pins is very small). I have no affiliation with them, and found them via Google. Is anyone interested in something like that? Maybe the Foundation could have a couple hundred of them made and sell them in onesies and twosies for a small profit. Thoughts? [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 00:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : I doubt wikimedia would be up for this, and I don't know that it'd actually encourage people to stick around or even to contribute in the first place, but it might be fun. You're looking at lapel pins, which are quite expensive as they are produced from custom-made diess. If you looked instead at 1-inch buttons (think punk kids), you would find the price to be way more reasonable and maybe even something you might feel comfortable bankrolling for your book in particular. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 00:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :: My target audience is into pin trading, which is why I suggested that. Since we're a scouting-type of an organization, we have uniforms, and the pins go nicely there. ::: Ah yes, good point. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 01:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : Wikimedia already has a [http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia/529053 CafePress store]. There's a general [http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia.46028609 Wikimedia button pack], but no Wikibooks one. It wouldn't be particularly difficult to sell a Wikibooks logo-stamped button through CafePress, so I suggest you e-mail wikipedia@cafepress.com if that's what you would like. Don't count on selling quality pins through the foundation however. Hope you find something, [[Special:Emailuser/Hagindaz|✉]][[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]]_{[[User talk:Hagindaz|t]]}\^{[[Special:Contributions/Hagindaz|c]]} 01:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :: Thanks Hagindaz. I sent cafepress an email asking if they'd consider offering lapel pins. We'll see what happens. [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 02:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC) == please help == I have been blocked by inshanee on charges that are wholly trumped up and false. in fact, i am working on the very issue myself; i was blocked for alleged "attacks". Everything i have said is cogently factual, and thus, not an attack, with a single possible exception being a vote i made. Even there, i could provide logic to show that in fact, i am just making a cogent observation. The truth is that this is a pov warrior event and inshanee is abusing his admin priveledge. I am working on the problem of personal attacks, in fact, and this is one reason why i am being targeted. Inshanee and strotha both like to use sly attacks, and then pounce on you when you defend yourself. My version of reality being the cogent analysis and recognition of this tactic puts them in a hard spot where they would not be able to use the method if i can get the problem resolved. what follows is what blocking me kept me from posting in response to the "personal attacks" topic posted on Jimbos talk page. ------------ [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Actually, thats a slippery slope, a hyperbole, and, its untrue. Using logic, we can discern between attacks and useful conversation about people. More importantly, right now Wikipedia has become an ad hominem fest. In fact, wikipedia has become extremely abusive, thanks to no clear means to deal with the abusiveness. This is a circular problem in that people with expertise won't participate if they can tell just by browsing the talk pages that its psychological mob warfare defending VS the ignorant to bother to try. For example; I'm not adding any material regarding Psychonautics. I might just be one of the worlds foremost experts on the topic, having managed to obtain waking Theta states in both myself and others. The topic is allready controversial amongst the well educated. Add to this the inevitable problem of facing down an ignorant mob as soon as you say something the thought police finds dangerous to maintaining ignorance, and you have a formulae for abuse. IF logic and cogency were the dominant paradigm on Wikipedia, then experts might feel safe to come here and contribute. All of the sciences at advanced levels become politically inconvenient for the dominant religious and political paradigms. Those paradigms can only continue to exist via the vaccum created by intentional ignorance. Ignorance is maintained via anti intellectual pack psychology. And right now, Wikipedia as a form of government falls easilly into the category "pack psychology driven MOB". THE ONLY way to fix this is to make real changes in policy and methods of enforcement regarding personal attacks. (And other considerations of logic, including straw man arguments and false dillemmas.) [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ------------- Now, I am getting really sick of being gamed and played by abusive people here, and my next step is to start taking my complaints to people who will listen. Wikiwatch has allready featured me. For instance. I am trying to resolve these problems, and these people are being patently abusive. If these problems can't be resolved, then it seems that i will be forced to leave wikibooks and wikipedia, and to make certain that the world knows that wikipedia is an extremely abusive place. [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : (Trying to be helpful) I have no idea what you're talking about here. You have given insufficient context. Your formatting is also a serious problem that is inhibiting communication; try to write in paragraphs containing one or more sentences, try '''not''' using breaks (instead, use indentation or quoting). Finally, write focused sentences that state the facts, with appropriate references (''links'') to where these things occured; leave your emotional appeals out of it since they only distract from your point. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ::I'm trying to figure out exactly what the problem is. you are clearly able to leave a message here, which indicates to me that you are probably not blocked from wikibooks. maybe you should be more specific as to how you are blocked, and how we can help. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 19:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ::: He is apparently talking about being blocked at WP: [[w:User_talk:Prometheuspan]], where he has made a bunch of disruptive edits, especially in AFD. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Disruptive edits. the characterization begins. sorry if i am badly formatted, i loose some amount of my dyslexia compensation when i am po'ed. Those VFDs were mockeries of consensus process. What good is WP:No attacks when the rule is only selectively applied to people rogue admins want to fast track or intimidate into silence? I made cogent and rational additions to 3 vfds which were all of them started by an ad hominem. And all of which were patently pov warrior gaming of the system. In most cases, i just pointed out factual ad hominems. As votes. Maybe i should have invoked WP: remove attacks, and deleted said votes. Hard to tell what the right move is in such a corrupted double standard system. In any case, thats not why i am being blocked. I am being blocked for defending myself against attacks, using cogent and factual logic. The double standard here is apalling. Nevermind in any case, apparently the only way to deal with the abusiveness of this system is to go outside of the system and unleash the fury of a Sociologist with depth knowledge of Logic. obviously, if after a week and a half of abuse has gone unpunished, and nobody cares about it on admin noticeboards, and theres no method to get abuse dealt with, esp by abusive admins, this is a futile effort also. By all means, just ignore me and dismiss me, its all anybodies done so far, i have come to expect it. [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 21:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC) [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 21:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :Hey man, listen up, your ego is astounding. First off, your not going to get anywhere in this place by getting angry, thats not how wiki works. Secondly, its not a great idea to threaten to leave because nobody cares, there are a thousand people here any of which could take your place. Thirdly, stop ranting about the abusive system because the system owns you, your account, everything you have written here, and they know your IP address. Fourthly i think you just threatened all of us with, and I quote: <b>"Nevermind in any case, apparently the only way to deal with the abusiveness of this system is to go outside of the system and unleash the fury of a Sociologist with depth knowledge of Logic."</b>That is highly abusive of your privilige to write here, so in future please save a couple bytes of hard disk space and submit any complaints like a good wikibookian. Hope you haven't already vandalized the system and your wikibookian soul can still be salvaged! [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] 23:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :Wikibooks is '''not''' Wikipedia. Whatever it is you have or haven't done ''over there'' it doesn't involve Wikibooks. Please feel free to take your case to [[w:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] if you haven't already. Thank you. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC) == Text Wrap == In Wikijunior: Solar System, we're having some trouble with pictures moving text too much, what is the wiki-code for text-wrap? [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] 23:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : Not quite sure what you mean; if you use the right/left/center modifiers on Image, you get text wrap automagically. See [[w:Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax]]. If you're trying to prevent images from descending into other sections you can use <nowiki><br style="clear:both"/></nowiki> [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 03:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC) == MSRI video lectures == This might be of interest to people who maintain the mathematics section of wikiversity. MSRI has a large collection of videolectures [http://www.msri.org/publications/video/ here]. Download is free, and although I am not sure that they have the right license, the fact that they keep most of their videos on archive.org indicates that the license is free enough. Please, answer me on my [[w:ru:User talk:Dmitri83|talk page]]. == Using Wikibooks logo in a link? == I'm trying to set up a link from my website to a wikibook (Stuttering) that doesn't have its own graphic or image. Can I use the Wikibooks logo that appears in the upper left corner of the Main Page? Where can I get this image (or a link to it)? This is for a list of recommended books, and the other books have the cover on the left, and my recommendation on the right. It looks bad to not have some image for the wikibook.--[[User:Tdkehoe|Thomas David Kehoe]] 17:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC) :The Wikimedia Foundation has established guidelines for use of their logos. They can be found at [[foundation:Wikimedia visual identity guidelines]]. Hope this helps. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC) :I noticed I didn't answer your question about where the file can be found. It is located on the Wikimedia Commons at [[Commons:Wikimedia]]. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] == How To Build A Pykrete Bong == I would like to suggest that [[How To Build A Pykrete Bong]] be deleted as it is innapropriate material for wikibooks <small>&mdash;''the preceding unsigned comment is by'' [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] ([[User talk:Basejumper123|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Basejumper123|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small> : Erm. It was deleted until you made the page again? [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 00:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :: no, it was still on the bookshelf <small>&mdash;''the preceding unsigned comment is by'' [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] ([[User talk:Basejumper123|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Basejumper123|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small> ::: The page was already deleted. This was evidenced by the fact that you were the only contributor to the book when you posted the above comment. If it was still on the bookshelf, you could have removed it and that would have been end of story. Also, please sign your comments using four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC) == Introduction to Physical Science == Hi everyone, Im trying to write a simple, 8th grade science text that is an "introduction to physical science". It will try to stick to the following syllabus *laboratory procedure *measurement *calculation *properties *basic experimentation I have already written the first chapter, please help out if you have time, the link is here [[Introduction_to_Physical_Science]] thanks, [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] 00:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review - vote now!== There are a lot of policies that have not been resolved. How about focussing on [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] this month? Can we wrap-up the vote on this? I would also move for [[Wikibooks:Ad hoc administration committee]] to be deleted because it looks like it will never go to a clear majority vote. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 16:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC) ===There is no policy governing voting=== Perhaps before reviewing any other policies the following proposed policy might be reviewed(!): [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC) == Positive language policies == I've just read a bunch of the policy pages and I find myself agreeing with [[User:Jguk]] and [[User:Zephram Stark]] that we should be attempting to form policies that are in positive terms and not so legalistic and punitive in nature. Jguk proposed something along the lines of [[Wikibooks:Always act civilly]]. Zephram has also pointed to [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-May/045082.html this posting by Jimbo] for some other context. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 17:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :Well, Zephram is an odd case since he was banned ''multiple'' times from Wikipedia for disruption, etc. You may want to take this into account as you deal with him in the future. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 21:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :: Point taken, but I still agree with his position. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 21:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :::That's fine. Just letting you know where he's coming from. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 23:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC) I support Jguk's intention but am doubtful about his means of achieving it. For instance, suppose a user reverted a policy page that had been moved, after a vote, from "proposed" to "enforced" back to "proposed" without any warning at the staff lounge or elsewhere. Suppose I reverted this reversion of the "Enforced" status to "Proposed". Suppose the user reverted that reversion and I reverted that... How would "be nice" solve the resulting fracas? I support a minimum of rules, perhaps 3 major rules such as: # [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] # [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] # [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] These would contain most problems that could arise here when "being nice" has broken down. For instance the reversion problem above would be forestalled by [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] and would fall under [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] if a vote had not been taken. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC) : For your revert scenario, common sense prevails, an admin temporarily blocks the provoking user and instructs them to act civily or leave. The net effect is the same, I think. Having a policy doesn't really make people act more or less sensibly. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 15:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC) ::But which user is in the wrong? Would you back me if I reverted a change in the fashion described above? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Actually, I misread your scenario. If both people engaged in a revert war rather than discussing the change, they should both be temporarily blocked from editing the page and forced to discuss the matter. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC) ::::Firstly, what basis would you use to determine if a "revert war" was indeed taking place? One mans's revert war is another man's innocent correction. ::::Secondly your suggestion that they be "blocked from editing the page and forced to discuss the matter" is none other than the [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]]. ::::Your point also places admins at the top of the control hierarchy, like tribal leaders. But suppose an admin reverted the policy page without any warning and another admin reverted the text to its original form. Who should block the admins when there is no policy? If we go for 100% consensus one or other of the admins can just refuse to agree. At the minimum we would need [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] to resolve the situation. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC) :::::#It becomes a revert war when the two people who are reverting do it to the same page multiple times. At that point they can't claim that it's just an "innocent correction" because they're actively engaging each other. :::::#I think [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] is common sense and if not then it's dictated by the idea of "acting civily" :::::#Admins ''are'' at the top of the control hierarchy. It's a fact of life. If they step out of line, though, then they're stripped of their powers. Admins can block other admins as they see fit. :::::#You're misunderstanding what consensus means. Consensus decision making is predicated upon several things; that all users are working towards the same mission (to build textbook-ish instructional materials), that all users are acting in good faith, and that all users will work towards compromises when disputes arise. If a user is not working towards our goal, not acting in good faith, or not attempting to find compromises, the community can and should ignore or ban them depending upon the severity. Consensus is about evaluating the positions of users on issues, not counting their votes. If only 1 person in a straw poll is saying no, but they provide no acceptable reason, they get ignored. If they are disruptive, engage in revert wars, employ sockpuppets, etc they get banned. If after all of this, you still have reasonable people acting in good faith who can't agree, then either (a) the issue is dropped since it doesn't have sufficient support (b) (if one group is very large) the motion is passed despite the complaints. In the case of (b) the opposition can learn to live with the decision or decide that due to the decision, WB is not the place for them, or a particular book/article isn't worth the effort for them; that's their decision, and that's okay. This isn't as "easy" as just strict voting, but you end up with more broadly acceptable policies. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 10:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC) (Reset indent) Kellen, there are some good points here. Perhaps I should let someone else contribute on the side of voting - '''is there anyone else out there interested in how Wikibooks operates''' ???!! I'll come back to this in a week or so - even though this is fascinating and very important I should also be adding to some books! [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC) I couldn't keep away. Kellen, is your point 4b basically a statement that you agree with some kind of vote? In the example above, suppose a vote had demonstrated consensus according to 4b, would you ban the dissenting user if they reverted the change from "enforced" back to "proposed"? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC) : Much of collaborative work is not so much about the changes as the context and social interactions. If the user appears to be acting in good faith in reverting the policy (say, maybe, if there is some serious harm that they claim will come from it) then no, it probably doesn't warrant a ban. If they are just being stubborn and refusing to accept the community's decision, and then they engage in a revert war, they are acting in bad faith and could be banned for being disruptive and not acting civily. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC) : And no, 4b does not mean I agree with some kind of vote. Here is an flowchart I made for consensus decision making. The reality on WB is a bit different (and a bit muddled) due to asynchronous communication. :[[Image:Consensus2.png]] :People who vote no on something on wikibooks are of two types; stand-asides and blocks. Those who learn to live with the decision, despite the fact that they don't totally agree are implict 'stand asides' in the consensus process. The decision hasn't made them question their fundamental commitment to working on the goal of WB. (Other types of stand asides would be people who abstain or people who just leave a comment) The people who block are those for whom the decision on the proposal is make-or-break. If the community decides to pass the proposal over their objections, they leave. We see this in contributors who just disappear and in contributors who flame out. :A block in a "real life" organization means you're much more serious about your objection to the point where you are willing to leave the organization if the proposal is passed. Since in these organizations you also have a much more highly developed social environment, this is quite extreme. It obviously doesn't work as well on WB/WP since we have a large and anonymous community with a very low barrier to entry. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC) ::Nice flowchart. Voting is introduced in organisations because it is realised that your flowchart is iterative. For example, if a blocker fails to stand aside the decision "shall we override the blocker?" becomes a new proposal, then the decision "shall we override the blocker of the decision to override the blocker" becomes a new proposal. This continues until there are no blockers. However, if blockers at the top level block every other level of the iteration then the only solution is for a '''gang''' to form that secretly mounts an attack on the blocker. ::The iterative process is probably a natural way of handling events in an organisation that has no constitution. It is the method used in tribes and gangs. The down-side is that each iteration takes months or years on Wikibooks and this places immense blocking power in the hands of individuals. This blocking may have nothing to do with the decision under consideration - for instance Zephram has voted "no" to several policy proposals in Wikibooks using the same text. ::Organisations short circuit the iteration by simply using a majority vote according to some constitution. This allows them to respond to events in a timely fashion. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 11:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :::It is a good flowchart. I disagree with what happens where a member still blocks after his concerns have all been addressed (albeit not to his satisfaction). At that time, we need to decide whether to override the blocker, and it is here that voting becomes useful. Informal voting can be useful to gauge feelings before this time, but the emphasis should be on looking to avoid a formal vote to override a blocker if at all possible, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Uh, that's not what it implies at all. Yes, there is a feedback loop, but it's not mechanical. If the person blocks, and the community decides to override their block, the community tries to come to consensus then and there. The blocker isn't able to affect that decision making process by blocking again. ::: I agree with you that voting is easier in general and makes it easier to essentially shout down people who disagree with the majority, but I don't think it's the best way to come up with broadly accepted and useful policies. Keep in mind that wikibooks is not a business and time ''is not'' of the essence. We don't have to meet quarterly deadlines or make profit margins, and we can take the time to discuss issues rather than counting votes out of convenience. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC) == Page Hits == Hey, is there anyway to find out how much traffic a certain wikipage is getting? Thanks in advance. [[User:Daniel.Stevens|Daniel.Stevens]] 07:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC) : Unfortunately, no. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :You might be interested in the discussion at [[http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Staff_lounge&oldid=436594 Hit counting]]. Apparently the Wiki hit counters cannot be used either in Wikimedia projects because the "Squibs" serve most pages. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :: The "squi''d''s" cache the pages so that they don't have to be regenerated from the database every time. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 18:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :::Ooops, I should claim that I suffer from dyslexia or maybe my subconscious felt that squids sounded a bit fishy. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC) :::: [http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-1.html#ss1.3 Well here's why it's called that]. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 10:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC) == [[Rip a karaoke cd]] on [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion]] == Please comment there, and not here. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 01:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC) == Bookshelf reorganization == Please see [[Wikibooks_talk:All_bookshelves#Reorganization]]. This is as important as deciding policies and is key to the future growth of Wikibooks. --[[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]] 00:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC) == Academics, Wikibooks, and Authorship == I am new to Wikibooks but one thing I am curious about: is there a strong incentive besides altruism to submit material? Since advanced textbooks are written almost exclusively by academics it seems like the open model for textbooks could be hampered by the incentive that drives academia: authorship. Most professors write books based on classes that they teach but even if your book gets wide distribution the publisher takes basically all of the profit. Academics are paid in recognition which does not seem to be exceptionally prevelant on wikibooks and probably limits the ultimate usefulness of the site. What are the general thoughts that people have here on incentive for academic submissions? It seems to me that altruism can only go so far but "primary authorship" or "textbook coordinator" status or something like it could significantly boost incentive to turn a lot of these stubs into high quality books.[[User:Mpickett|Mpickett]] 02:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC) : Besides altruism and it being fun, I don't think there is much of a strong incentive to submit material. That hasn't hampered WP from gaining submissions from highly educated people, though. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 09:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :Many of the books here have a list of principal contributors on the front page. For instance: [[Ada Programming#Authors and contributors]], [[Programming:Visual Basic Classic#Authors and Contributors]]. As long as it doesn't turn into blatant self promotion I don't think anyone here has a problem with works and authors being associated. In fact I think it is quite the opposite, reputation counts here, I want to know who the principal authors and maintainers of a book are. Does anyone have a friend or relative who has a real reputation in the real world who could be persuaded to donate some words? Could someone persuade Richard Dawkins or Donald Knuth to contribute? On second thoughts we'd better leave Knuth alone or he'll never get [http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html The Art of Computer Programming] finished and that would be a much greater loss. --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 09:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ==Implementing consensus on [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]]== I have just re-read the Talk page on [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]]. There really is a consensus on this policy. Those who have voted "No" (two qualifying users) have voted "No" because they disagree with the idea of a vote, or of policies in general, not because they oppose [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] so there is indeed consensus. I propose that [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] should be moved to enforced status. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :I think we're still at the stage of "synthesise concerns" per the above flowchart (which looks good to me). The discussion on my concerns has not really moved forward since 27 April. If you'd like to respond to them, then I would be happy to re-engage in the debate. In this regard, I note that others have said that they would only like one behaviour policy, a sentiment that I would agree with. The question then comes down to whether this is it - whether this one needs to be amended before it becomes policy - or whether a different approach entirely is sensible. I have drafted my own discussion draft of what I believe a good approach for a single behaviour policy would look like on [[Wikibooks:Be nice]]. Hopefully that can help us (directly or indirectly) proceed towards getting us a single final behaviour policy that we are all happy with, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ::As I pointed out above, the flow chart above would lead to iterations and the possibility of endless blockings by one user. According to the flowchart and discussion, a user who was dedicated to the well-being of the project would stand aside. ::The "No personal attacks" policy has only one real dissenter, yourself, and you are dissenting on grounds other than opposition to the specific policy. "Be nice" seems to be a carte-blanche for administrators to do as they wish. It does not define "nice". For instance, would it be "nice" for an administrator to archive a warning that a policy was about to be made enforced, then changing it unilaterally from enforced to proposed despite a large majority in favour of enforcement and then blocking it endlessly? Is that "nice"? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 17:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ::I have no objection to your production of a meta-policy that includes the other policies but until then we should have something in place. You and Zephram are blocking specific policies on the basis of objections either to multiple policies or any policies. These issues should be discussed separately from whether a specific policy should be adopted. The problem with the model of primitive consensus building in the flow chart is that it does not allow timely decision making, one user can derail all decisions endlessly unless the others gang up on them and override them. I hate gangs. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 18:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC) With respect, I disagree with you here. First, the flowchart suggests all concerns are discussed. It is only once all concerns have been discussed and there remains a blocking member that we need to decide whether to override that block or not. I note above that here, and only here, do I believe that a binding vote is necessary. At present, none of my concerns have been addressed at all. Maybe they can be, perhaps by improving the language of the proposed policy so that we are all happy with it. If that is not possible, then and only then do you need to decide to override me. Since none of us are arguing that personal attacks are acceptable, there is no reason to believe that it should come to this. This is not my view alone, another user has specifically requested that you address my concerns first before trying again to make this policy. I would also note that other users have expressed support only on the grounds that they would like a behaviour policy set out, and that the wording can be improved later. In terms of whether this is the right behaviour policy for us to have, it is not too different from my view that the current proposal has some flaws, and these should be ironed out before the policy goes live. Stepping back further, my [[Wikibooks:Be nice]] proposal is meant to be a principle-based policy. That is, it sets out the general principle to be applied. This may be where we differ as you seem to prefer a rules-based policy. That is, a policy that sets out precise rules that you either comply with or you don't. Full stop. Black and white. Personally I believe principle-based policies are more flexible and deal with controversial situations better. Plus they are less susceptible to wikilawyering (for instance, in a rules-based policy either you have followed the letter of the law or you haven't, and if you haven't the wikilawyer claims whatever you now do is unreasonable, even though you followed the spirit of the law). The rules-based policy allows for technical offences, and may create loopholes for the abusive editor to exploit. A principle-based policy is not so precise, but generally allows for greater flexibility and for shorter policy (you do not have to list everything that is to be banned). It also can be as strong as a rules-based policy. For example, would you not agree that swearing, excessive and persistent reverting and making legal threats would unambiguously be considered contrary to a general "be nice" principle-based policy, even when "nice" is not defined? [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 18:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :You say that "all concerns" should be discussed but the concern you are raising is the general issue of whether or not policies of the current type should be enforced. Your concern is not directed at the specific policy. :Your "be nice" proposal needs renaming because it sounds sickly. Apart from that it is an approach that will need a lot of discussion and has little chance of being adopted for months or even years. Please allow specific policies to be adopted and then start a debate about "be nice" - or "Wikibooks standards of behaviour" or whatever it becomes called. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ::If you have a phrase that is pretty much synonymous with "be nice", but which is less vomit-inducing, I'd be grateful for your help. I still haven't thought of a good way of putting it, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 16:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC) ==Implementing consensus on [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]== [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]] has had a [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Policy/Vote/Deletion_Policy Vote] that shows complete consensus. I propose that this is moved to an enforced policy. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :This is merely one of the ways that you need to '''be bold''' and simply do it. Mark it as enforced, and if it is questioned, you can point to the vote for confirmation that some significant concensus has gone into the proposed policy. If half this effort went into the policies on gaming guide removal or the "textbook" definition that seems to taken hold by the deletionists here on Wikibooks, I would have been considerably more supportive of their actions. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 11:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ==Rejection of [[Wikibooks:Ad hoc administration committee]]== The number of votes against [[Wikibooks:Ad hoc administration committee]] is such that it will never become an enforced policy. I am demoting it to "rejected" (even though I proposed it). [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC) ==Rejection of [[Wikibooks:No legal threats]]== Again, too many votes against for a consensus to ever be achieved for [[Wikibooks:No legal threats]]. This will reduce the number of proposed policies to 5 if the status of the policies mentioned is changed. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :Fair enough - but anyone reading this comment without looking at the background to this rejection should bear in mind that none of the objections was saying that we in any way condone the making of legal threats. We don't, and it won't be long before a user is blocked if that user persists in making such threats, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ==[[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Proposed reform]]== I have a detailed page setting out a number of discussion drafts that, if adopted, would constitute a significant simplification of Wikibooks' policies. All constructive comments would be welcome, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 18:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :Lets clear up the policies that exist before embarking upon a year long reform of policies. You, and another user, have been blocking the enforcement of policies on the basis of the possibility of this reform. You want this reform and the other user wants no policies whatsoever. '''This reform is no reason for blocking the enforcement of specific policies, it is unrelated to the policies themselves and can be run as a separate issue. Please allow specific policies to be moved to enforced'''. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :: The sky is not falling. Most of the policies ("general voting rules" excluded) are accepted broadly as common sense and enforced whether or not the module says so. There is no need to railroad policies just to change the color of the little box at the top of each page. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 08:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC) :::Enforced policies represent the view of the community. Proposed policies represent the view of the proposer. There is a difference. Without clear policies we are operating withing a primitive parallel of a gang land or school playground where anyone who can muster up a couple of supporters can bully the community. Wikibooks is a serious venture that deserves better than this. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Kellen's right. We already have policies covering the areas you are interested in - they just aren't in a formal written form at present. It may well be desirable to formalise some of the unwritten parts of our constitution (particularly as it allows new contributors to quickly find out what behaviour is generally accepted and not accepted in this community), but there's no need to hurry - we can take time to get things right. For example, at present you are actively working towards writing a "no personal attacks" policy. Let me be clear on this - if someone makes persistent personal attacks on Wikibooks and refuses to desist I and/or other administrators will have no difficulty in chucking them off the site until and unless they agree to abide by the rules. This will happen whether there is a written policy on the point or not. Yes, it might be a good idea to spell this out somewhere, but even if it is not spelt out, if necessary (and I hope it never is), that course of action would be taken, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 16:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC) :The objective of policies that have been approved by the community is to show both users AND administrators the boundaries. Administrators should welcome clear descriptions of what is expected on Wikibooks and enforced policies provide these descriptions. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 08:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC) == Gaming manual as a textbook == I'm throwing down the gauntlet here on this issue again. I am sick an tired of a bunch of content being removed simply because it is of a particular theme. In particular, the removal of the gaming guides was IMHO totally out of line, but in this case I would like to prove both Jimbo and the rest of the anti-gaming guide people that they are not only wrong, but flat out wrong about the removal of content simply because of the topic, not because of the content. I'm willing to consider a number of options, but what I'd like to do is write a real honest-to-goodness textbook that would be of the quality that it could be used for a university class, but that the ''topic'' of the textbook is a video game. Specifically I'd like to do [[Doom]] if for no reason other than Jimbo has specifically marked it for deletion and claimed that it could never be made into a textbook. I'd love to prove him wrong on this point in particular. :You can easily prove me wrong. Show me a University course where the objective is to learn to play Doom, and where the students work from a textbook. If not, then what is the point?--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 21:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::My former employer, Columbia College Chicago, has a new game design major. While no course on Doom per se is taught, part of the new curriculum is a course on game engines and writing and designing virtual gaming environments. It seems like it wouldn't be much of a stretch to use a textbook that is survey of say the original M&M, Doom, and WoW to describe the art and design of these virtual environments. As long as the rigor exists in the treatise, it could very well be used at the course. Of course, one could include historicity and the nature of actually WRITING a game guide as a chapter. Plus, I can't imagine Columbia College is the only higher ed that has a curriculum in this topic .02USD [[User:jtvisona|jtvisona]] 05/28/06 :::I believe what you are saying is that textbooks suitable for students can be written about games. I would agree with that. Indeed, going by Jimbo's amendment to What is Wikibooks [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks&diff=prev&oldid=434945], so would he. What we are doing, however, is to systematically remove game walkthroughs (ie books about games which clearly do not fall within the definition of "textbook"), preferably after having found a new home for them elsewhere on the web, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC) This is not intended to be a video game walkthrough (which should have been the point of the debate well before the removal of the gaming guides), but rather an in depth scholarly review of this game, and to point out the historical significance that this game has within the computer gaming industry. The historical roots of this game, including Castle Wolfenstein, Commander Keen, and other earlier ID software games, as well as other computer games would be included in this book as well. How Doom has affected the development of other first-person shoot 'em up games would also be a significant point in this book as well. All other Wikibooks and in general Wikimedia policies should be followed when developing this textbook, which the end goal is to reach a standard that if this is deleted, that wikibooks itself should be simply shut down as a failed project. I don't know if there are any video game textbook supporters left on Wikibooks, but if there is anybody interested in taking on this project, please let me know. I think a real textbook can be written on this topic. Others may disagree, but this is also to see if there is any room left on Wikibooks to even permit the writing of such a real textbook. My opinion is that just because of the subject matter that it shouldn't be deleted out of hand. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 12:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :Video games are going to be an extremely disturbing phenomenon in the next decade or two as they become enmeshed with real life. When online cash can be withdrawn from ATMs as real cash we are talking about something serious occurring. Wikibooks may well be the "cutting edge" publishing medium that gets out of video games just as they start to take over the world. :I do not play these games myself but it is obvious that they are the test bench for the future virtual reality working and trading worlds. There are currently 6 million on-line gamers involved in games that have real world cash interfaces and this type of cash represents over $800,000,000 dollars of real world money (See current edition of New Scientist). :Don't get me wrong, I really hate the idea of people going to work by sticking on a VR goggle-set but sadly it looks like the future. It is probably already a reasonable business idea to set up as a shop-keeper or interior designer in an on-line game. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 13:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :: But not all games deal with internet cash. In fact, most of the games that deal with internet cash are strictly casino games like Texas Hold' Em or BlackJack, except online. Thats like using Porn movies to say that the movie industry is poor, and Hentai and Porn Books to say that the book industry is also unsuitable for textbook materials. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :::What I was saying is that games that involve cash but which are not casino games or pure porn are a new development that is likely to take off in a big way - see [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_18/b3982001.htm Business week story]. These games are a test bed for VR commerce and a VR economy. We should not ditch games just when games are about to "happen". [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 19:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :::: Lol. I misread your post :-/ Agreed. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :Don't worry Robert, I'm still here [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstable&diff=prev&oldid=459291 kicking] for Video Games on Wikibooks. My first question is what stance should we take on Doom? The real obvious one is to take the [http://www.doomworld.com/ports/linux_unix.shtml Doom Source code] and then do an analysis from there. The primary advantage is that yes, this fits the classical definition of textbook, but it probably wouldn't save the video game bookshelf. :Another perspective I see we can do is to see Doom as an art of itself. Using Game Design textbooks like ''Chris Crawford on Game Design'', we could use his vocabulary of what a game is, and then analyse the game akin to a book or movie. Perhaps the level design and how mazes are as they are in Doom, the pros and the cons. Etc. Etc. From this perspective, it would be like the [[Muggles'_Guide_to_Harry_Potter]] but for doom instead. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ::Robert, as long as it's not just a walkthrough, I'd be fine with it. I have been a big supporter of the Textbook Rule, but if the topic of a ''textbook'' is a video game, I'd be more than willing to help. Let's get cracking. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 14:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Personally, I'd have no problem at all with a textbook on Doom along the lines that Robert suggests. Wikibooks is for textbooks. I believe we all agree that books similar to those used in existing classes in a number of learning institutions are within our scope. Additionally, I believe we all think that Wikibooks' scope is wider than that - although we do disagree on how much wider it is than that and how to define accurately what we mean by a textbook that can't be used for a current class in a learning instition. To my mind a lot of what a textbook is is in the aim and style and the use to which a textbook can be put. It would be foolish to say that there can be a textbook on every conceivable topic, yet at the same time it is possible to write interesting and informative textbooks that do not correspond to classes in schools, universities or adult education centres. Robert's proposed book on Doom, for me, appears to meet the right criteria. I would stress though that our current book on Doom does not. I would, however, ask Robert, for his own sake, to think whether he really wishes to pursue his idea - as I'm sure we are all aware, writing a book takes up a surprisingly large amount of time. However, if Robert will put in this effort in essence just to prove a point (and at the risk of Jimbo ordering the book off Wikibooks anyway) then I will not in any way seek to hinder him, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 16:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC) I'm sorry, but I'm not following your logic, Robert. How is a "scholarly review" a game manual? The book [[Doom]] ''can't'' be turned into a textbook without rewriting all of the content, which is what you intend to do. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jimbo has never said that a textbook can't be written on this topic. In his [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks&diff=434945&oldid=419429 WB:WIW revision], he said quite the opposite. I think what you have to ask yourself is whether a book would be usable in a classroom on any aspect of game design, like an annotated text would be in a literature classroom. I also don't know what to popularity of video games has to do with this. There are even [http://digipen.edu colleges devoted to video game design], but not one has a "How to finish Doom" or "Doom Manual" class. --[[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]] 16:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC) :So make it a rewrite... even if it has to be from scratch. [[Monopoly]] had this happen and has become a much better book as a result. The opinion of Jimbo was that Doom could never be used as a textbook because of the subject matter. Yes, he did say a textbook could never be written about this topic. This was mentioned specifically as an example. My proposal here is to rewrite, perhaps even from a clean sweep of the current [[Doom]] Wikibook being thrown out, to turn this into a textbook that could be usable in a classroom. Major sections would include game play, economy (weapons and ammo), algorithms, and historical impact of the game both in terms of roots and what games have been developed from this one game. :Based on what I am percieving from the people trying to remove video games, they are trying to delete content because of subject matter alone, and not content. The discussion has become so heated that the issue of wheither any university-level courses were taught on the subject, with incredulity occuring when some actual courses were pointed out. :In addition to all of this discussion, until Jimbo came in here and really pushed for textbooks, Wikibooks was about '''books''', not textbooks. Essentially, this was for content that would normally be considered acceptable on Wikipedia, but for its length and the need to break it up into multiple sections. Some additional flexability was granted for Wikibooks to do non-encyclopedia type works. I will admit that the first Wikibook is the [[Organic Chemistry]], and that was a textbook. Other content is on Wikibooks however, including content added by WMF board members that is clearly not a textbook in nature. :I have been approached now by two different people who are openly trying to encourage me to fork Wikibooks with actual server space to do so. I think this is an unfortunate situation, and I would rather that forking doesn't occur. I still havn't decided if my effort is going to be used to work on those forks and abandoning this project altogether or if there is something worth saving here. I do believe that far too much content has been removed from Wikibooks, especially when much of that content was added on good faith that it belonged here.... even surviving VfDs earlier. While there was and is still cruft on Wikibooks, taking out two major bookshelves (Video Games and How-tos) is not a way to win friends and grow this project. Especially when there is no place to move it within the context of Wikimedia projects. Had this been done with Wikiversity (I guess they are next with the axe now) another fairly significant community would have been destroyed as well, with some potentially outstanding ideas lost permanently. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 19:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC) ::Wouldn't you agree that the content you will be using to create a Doom book would work better as part of larger textbooks, such as as examples? In my opinion, yes, it would be a textbook teaching concepts taught in classrooms, but just not a very good one. I don't think it occurred to Jimbo that someone would bother teaching game design using only Doom, as better examples exist. ::Has any attempt been made to ask the board or Jimbo himself whether he has the right to dicate policy? I would like to hear someone outside of Wikibooks say that this community has the right to decide upon Wikibooks' scope. If that happens, an active discussion should ensue and I'll give my opinion on the matter. --[[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]] 20:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Well said Robert. As for critical study of Doom; I cannot think of a more revolutionary game than Doom. In fact, the word "Doom Clone" described First Person Shooter genre for *years* after Doom was released. It would be great as a case study. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 03:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC) I cannot speak for the others, but my input in this matter has always been from the perspective of a gamer. I originally came to Wikibooks because of the ''[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]]'' guide, where a large portion of my contributions were and likely still are. And once it was suggested that they be moved I was fine with that, as to me it makes sense to move to a more focussed, gamer-friendly wiki. Indeed I've talked to many outside of the wiki environment who were ''surprised'' that a site called "Wikibooks" had videogame strategy at all! I bear gaming topics no ill will. If someone starts "A Tempest in a Coffee Pot? Jack Thompson Vs. the Gaming World" I'll be right in there expanding it and linking to interviews and the like. But if someone starts "The Definitive ''Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories'' Solutions Manual" I'll take it to Vfd soon after. Serious Wikibooks can and will one day be written regarding videogames, but the current game guides simply don't fit that category. And is moving them off Wikibooks all that dissimilar from your [[w:tabula rasa|tabula rasa]] propsal? [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC) : Again and again, this argument comes up. And again and again, people fail to come up with a good reason for why Video Games should be removed. Unless I'm missing something here, but I don't see any good reason for video game guides to go away, aside from stir up trouble in the community. : My strongest protest to this move is that it of all things, slaps long time editors in the face, and kicks them out of the wikibooks community. Whether or not this is for the "better" of wikibooks, we will have to live with the fact that we got a bunch of now former editors of wikibooks, who are very disgruntled. : As Robert said, this move has made some people to go as far as make forks of Wikibooks. Isn't this a tiny little tipoff that just maybe something is off here? 2 people asking for forks means there are a *whole* lot more than just 2 people pissed. The only reason there is to this nonsense is that "Jimbo Says". If it isn't obvious to anyone yet, Jimbo seems to be more busy at Wikipedia than [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jimbo_Wales here], to put it mildly. As I've said before, there have been [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_adminship/Archive#Artur_Nowak_.28_talk_.7C_email_.7C_contribs_.29|admin requests]] that were denyed for having fewer than 270 edits, and having 6 month breaks. As much as I don't wanna downplay Jimbo here... I just wanna point out that "Jimbo Says" is not a good enough reason for all this. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 06:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ::I'm wasn't making any point, merely refreshing what I've said in previous debates before jumping into this one in an attempt to avoid any further confusion in an already complex debate. Bah. ::I'm not one to go too much against the flow of what the Foundation says, which is why I've largely accepted what Jimbo said. In the end the Foundation owns the servers, however we collectively have supplied both funding and content, thus making users by and large feel that we have some say in how we run things. Jimbo has always encouraged us to make our own policy decisions, however he has stepped in occasionally when those decisions didn't go the way he felt the Foundation stood (e.g. Getting a Girl and other such modules). ::But recently he's become more and more vocal, and less and less present to clarify his rationale. The videogame policy change is the climax; even to those supporting the move it's a stunning change of events. Is this the Foundation speaking, or is it only Jimbo? And to what extent do the Foundation board members back Jimbo's statements as being [[w:ex cathedra|ex cathedra]], so to speak? And, also, to what extent do we the community (who are arguably responsible for Wikibooks' content and in turn its success) get a say in matters? ::I'm all for continuing a happy medium, but things are getting out of hand. This is why I have put my transwikiing efforts on hold. I need to know where we stand. If we're to allow game guides, sure, I can use the log to undelete what I've moved and everybody will live happily ever after. If we're not, fine, I can continue work. But I really feel it's time we heard from the board itself, and not just Jimbo. I want to see closure to this issue. I really don't care which decision is reached, as long as it's both official and final. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 07:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ::: I put a note on Jimbo's WP page. :::Also, just to be clear, I am not asking people to fork WikiBooks content [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page to my wiki]. My wiki in the public domain, and so is not a suitable place to move the content to unless you are the copyright holder. Except for the Pokédex, which as a collection of facts is not covered by the GFDL, I have just finished [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges copying them '''all''']. All I did was to let[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] (who supported my admin request for simple.wikibooks before) that there ''are'' other options. The choices as I see them are to help out one (or more) of these other wiki's, or to use your energy to try and fight Jimbo with no guarantee of success and little to no progress on these books while doing so. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC) Why don't we just all petition the Wikimedia Foundation for an entirely brand new domain where video game guides and other how-to books could reside (Wikigames or Wikiguides, or some other creative name), leaving Wikibooks for just textbooks (and perhaps while we're at it move Wikiversity too?). Or keep ''them'' here and form a Wikitext for only textbooks. We already have a lot of content that could populate both, and it would all be contained under the Wikimedia umbrella. Anyone wanna take this to meta with me? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 01:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :I'll help out with that. I have the same user-name at Meta, so send me a message there, and I will help petition. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 01:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC) : The only thing I see that is an issue, is why split a community already so small and fragmented? We aren't even at the "critical point". So much work is needed to start up a new book; editors rarely search outside their pet projects. Newcommers are fustrated as they stumble upon stubs and stubs. The newbies who do find a project they are willing to work for quickly find their contents deleted, sometimes with no explanation, or any clue to where it has gone. : Frankly speaking; I think a forking of wikibooks in any way would cause this project to crumble, unless it is a "fresh start" and everyone is actually willing to "do it right" this time (if you know what I mean). : And after the fiasco with wikiversity, I'm not... encouraged... to take anything to meta anymore. Though if enough people join the cause, I may change my mind :-/. How many months have those wikiversity people been trying? : In closing, I'd like to ask; why not change the Wikibooks policy to include video games, howtos, guides, and other instructional resources? A new domain name would be a difficult goal to aim for, and it seems that changing policy to include what already is on Wikibooks is a *much* easier idea than: :# Petitioning for a new Domain Name :# Winning that petition :# Writing a proposal to Wikimedia board :# Correcting that proposal over a period of several months :# Transwiki everything over :# Restart policy from scratch : Chaning the policy only involves telling Jimbo Wales and/or the board that we've changed our mission to what we actually do.--[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 01:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC) ::We only need a new domain if we want video games guides at a WikiMedia project. Why is this so important? There are already plenty of places willing to accept this content: ::*http://strategywiki.net/wiki/Main_Page For video game guides, uses the GFDL. ::*http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page My own site, Public Domain, but will accept basically anything Wikipedia does. It’s new, so it’s a fresh start. ::*WikiCities I don't know the URL, but I'm sure they have a wiki which will take all this content. ::**That would be [[wikia:c:gameinfo:Main Page|Gameinfo]]. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ::If Jimbo doesn't want this content, let's take it elsewhere! [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 02:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :::But if we can, why not ''try'' and keep this under the Wikimedia umbrella? I know forming a new domain under WM can be tough, but I think if enough users still want to work on them, we should at least try to find a WM place for them. If the proposal is rejected, ''then'' go to outside sources. My opinion. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 03:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Hm. As interesting as the idea of a separate project is it would have some growing problems. Most importantly Wikibooks has been the videogaming recipient for several years now; no matter how loudly any policy changes are stated on Wikipedia there will still be content dumped here due to habit. And so a good portion of transwikiing work will be spent moving such stuff off Wikibooks and into "Wikiguides", and then the userbase there will in turn have to move it around within their own system or else just plain delete it. If the Foundation ''are'' going to keep videogame guides in the family why not just leave them here? And as for the likelihood of the Foundation accepting the proposal, I really can't say how videogame content on its own, even if bolstered by non-gaming howtos, can fit the Foundation's "educational mission". [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :The problem is Jimbo was very clear about this, normally he just [http://wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Jimbo_Wales#I_wonder...] likes to wonder], but on this issue he was black and white. Video game guides '''do not''' belong here. Period. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 13:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :: As much as wikitruth has some valid points... I wouldn't go as far as to say I believe it 100%. Opinions on people are wide spread, and I'd rather not judge Jimbo on something other sites say about him. But anyway; please, explain why Video game guides don't belong here, and second, why we can't change policy to include them. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 12:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :: Rob, FYI, the '''game''' [[w:Final Fantasy X]] was the subject of a quite thorough post-grad Phylosophy thesis recently. You should read the Abstract and Introduction, the thesis author mentions a lot of reasons why games can be considered the Shakespeare of our times. It is a pity games are being evicted from here. Thank heavens we found a home for the Final Fantasy stuff! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 07:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC) **[http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0PJiLhZ1RVkJ:www.upnaway.com.au/~waldemar/Research/PhD%2520(Submitted%2520to%2520Library).doc+final+fantasy+Anima+Jung+Seymour&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3 ''Meaning and Emotion in Squaresoft’s Final Fantasy X''] — Graduation thesis by Glen R. Spoors, Edith Cowan University - Australia :Dragontamer, if you want to know why Video game guides don't belong here? Because Jimbo says so! Why can't we change policy to include them? Because Jimbo wants them gone. I have a list of books I was going to keep an eye on my user page, a quick look and you can see I was a supporter of video game books. I started some of them myself. IMO it just isn't worth fighting for them here when other wiki's will welcome them with open arms! [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 19:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :You could also read this post I made [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3APrimate&diff=2757&oldid=2751] [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 19:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ===Page break for editing purposes=== :: So then we convince Jimbo/Wikimedia board to say it is better for guides to stay here. Lord Voldemort wants to create a new wiki for it. You want to create a new wiki for it. I want them to stay; or to move them to a new wiki for it. Renmiri thinks they deserve to stay. All in all; I see so much support for this stuff, not only from typical editors, but from at least 2 Wikibooks admins. If Jimbo really doesn't want them '''here''', well then, he'll have to live with his decision of (IMO) killing off the wikibooks project. Too many contributors are leaving because of this decision (video game contributors or not), and maybe we all can reverse this decision. And the advantage is now on our side to say why things belong. Damage is already being done to the Wikibooks reputation because of this decision, and instead of me hypothesising about it, I can actually point it out. Your fork is a near perfect example. The activity levels of admins is another one; it may be too soon for me to point this out, but coincidence or not; [[Special:Contributions/Robert_Horning]] and [[Special:Contributions/Kernigh]] activity level dropped a *lot* right after his little announcement (from 10+ contributions a day to 2+ days a contribution). I'm sure they're still here, reading, waiting to see what will happen soon on wikibooks before offering their time and energy on this project again. I know other people have gone "missing", but I can't name them off the top of my head. :: It is much easier to keep things here than to make a new wiki; on wikimedia or not. Though, if Jimbo says goodbye one more time, I guess we'll have no choice but to leave. But we aren't losing any "time" here on this issue, and I argue that there is no "wasted effort". Making a wiki is too large an undertaking for me to just say "Alright, I'm leaving". We got policy to make, and early policy to make as well. We'll have to come up and lay down the lines precisely, with no "gray" areas. The community will have to grow, we'll have to fight vandals, set up a hierarchy, etc. etc. :: Thats all done here in Wikibooks now. The only thing to do is convince people (more or less, Jimbo) that we want this kind of content somewhere, and that Wikibooks is better off overall if we stay. :: I suggest to Lord Voldemort: instead of that proposal for a new wiki; why not propose we change policy to stay here? I'm willing to support that 100%. :: Crazy Idea, i know, but thats why I'm here :-p To offer crazy ideas.--[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::I wouldn't say, "Hey let's create a whole new wiki" if that wasn't where Jimbo/Board were leading us (and always have been, for that matter). The Wikimedia Foundation has '''in its bylaws''', that WB is "a collection of e-book resources aimed specifically toward students (such as textbooks and annotated public domain books) named Wikibooks".[http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws] So somehow I don't think changing our Wikibooks policy is good enough. I simply see everything (Jimbo's statements, the bylaws, the educational goal, etc.) and think it's obvious that game-guides are not to be included. That's why I suggested an alternate domain. I just don't know anymore. Instead of asking, "What's so wrong about having video game guides here", ask yourself "How great would it be if there was a website dedicated to the distribution of free textbooks to every person in the world?" --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 20:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::: I don't see where video game guides conflicts with that at all. Maybe I'm oblivious, but from what I'm seeing (that is, major users who have stopped contributing, people moving out of Wikibooks and into forks, other pissed off users who probably aren't going to come back), removal of these guides has essentially killed that goal, or at least caused a '''major''' setback to Wikibooks in general. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::If you are going to try to fight for them to stay at Wikibooks, then go ahead and good luck with it! Just don't expect me to help, I'm too busy ''writing'' these guides, and [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cascading_Style_Sheets my CSS] guide also is coming on nicely also IMO :)! I 100% ''won’t'' be coming back to Wikibooks either way. I have invested too much time & money into by wiki to abandon it now. I mean the [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=WikiKnowledge:Payments $10 offer for 200 words] will cost me $200 alone, which comes out of my own pocket! Plus there’s hosting costs, back-ups, getting advertising, trying to get a new host so I can fix the ugly url's etc.. No, I'm gone for good. The only thing I'll be doing is helping to move anything which is free of copyright over to my wiki (such as the 24 hours I spent copying the Pokédex). Yes, this decision will probably only help kill Wikibooks, but perhaps the damage has already been done? [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 20:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::: I understand 100%. Good luck on your wiki project! No hard feelings from me (you deserve none at all) --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ::::If wikibooks were my project, I would have set it up differently, but at the same time there is a certain amount of value in having an open-textbook resource aimed directly at students. I don't think that this will kill wikibooks, but it will slow us down a little bit. Good luck on your projects, and I know that we here at wikibooks are going to need alot of luck as well. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::::Well, Renmiri - me - is just a n00b at Wikibooks and pretty new at Wikipedia too, so my lamenting that game guides are being evicted doesn't have the benefit of all the knowledge of WikiMedia history, bylaws, etc... But precisely because I am a newbie is that I wanted to give you my perspective: Game guides are, IMHO, where the Wikibook administrators of 2015 will cut their teeth in. From what I have seen in game sites and in Wikipedia / Wikibooks, this is where 13-16 year old - or even younger - will start thinking about cooperation and content management. I'm willing to bet that the first textbook a high school kid reads voluntarily will be a game walktrough. Even for the older newbies like me and others, the game guides provide a less stresful way to get into Wikimedia editing. A Wikipedia page about heart surgery, ancient history or all the others I have browsed those past few years looked pretty intimidating. Yet a page about a game made me confortable enough to click on that ''scary'' edit tab and I fixed a couple of things. Three months later me and other n00bs had injected so much life into that particular game series of pages that 10 pages were cited as Good Article and one got confirmed as Featured Article. And our newly found boldness for editing started spreading around to other topics and to Wikibooks. In my view, it may be necessary to evict game guides for the many reasons cited above, but Wikibooks is losing an excellent opportunty for training and nurturing new book editors and book readers. Get them while they are young, and on a hobby like games and those readers and editors might be yours forever ;-) [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 01:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :::::: I come exactly from your background Renmiri. My first major edits were on [[Maple Story]], a video game. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 01:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :::::: My first wiki-edits were on the Chrono-Trigger artical at wikipedia. I strongly believe that there should be a place for game manuals for precisely the reasons that have been mentioned. I even voted back in the day to keep the game manuals here. However, it seems that the focus of wikibooks has changed (or at least re-focused on it's original goals), and I don't think that there is a big reason to fight that. Wikibooks will be hurt the most by a lack of focus. If we want to put everything and anything here, we should just rename it "wikieverything". Unfortunately, the line has been drawn at game guides. But look at what we have now: dedicated editors who are going to take their game guides to a new, more appropriate venue, and a highly-focused instructional resource in wikibooks. Our situation is certainly bittersweet, but if it has to happen, we might as well see the silver lining. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ::::::: Wikibooks has always accepted manuals, howtos, gameguides, and so forth. We knew where the line was drawn, and we know exactly why Wikibooks isn't a "Wikieverything". Even before the Jokebook incident, we were already pushing Wikiversity to leave, deleting other non"wikibook" material, and everyone knew exactly why it didn't fit policy. The line was '''already''' drawn, and now it is redrawn again. Now, even very instructional material like [[Wikibooks:Votes_for_undeletion#FAQ_for_alt.internet.wireless]] and arguably textbooks like that *very* informative MJ book are at risk. ::::::: And with a line drawn somewhere inbetween Chess and Video Games... I see nothing but confusion ahead for wikibooks if it continues down this path. No metric, aside from "Jimbo Says" decides the line between Chess and Video Games. And I doubt there would be any defined line between them. ::::::: And without defined lines; there will be no justification for really any action at wikibooks. Policy right now is shot; the "Accredited institution" metric is probably the only one that is being used at any rate, and even then, that metric is shot. The only thing left here is for us to argue opinion vs opinion; with no solid policy to say why something could survive a VfD now. ::::::: That is what is causing the fustration right now. And with the line now drawn at such a blurry place (Chess/Go vs other games), I dunno what to say. What about Omok/Gomoku? 6 in a row? Connect 4? There is no policy to say what lies exactly inbetween the lines here. ::::::: The problem is far deeper than just Video Games on wikibooks. But I feel allowing Video Games on Wikibooks will cure nearly all of this policy debate up. Unless you have a policy that cleanly cuts Video Games away from [[Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion#Puzzles|Puzzles]] and [[Chess]], or include them all (or none), Wikibooks will stagnate. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 02:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ==Game guides on Wikibooks== Given the harmless nature of such guides are you sure that they should be banned from Wikibooks? They are contained in their own section, the distinction between games such as Doom and Chess is debatable and, in the last couple of years it has become possible to actually trade inside games see Business week story. The users at Wikibooks are definitely uneasy about the ban. My userid is RobinH at Wikibooks. :Drawing the line seems very easy to me. There is a simple question: can you point to a course at an accredited institution which uses this sort of thing as a textbook? I think there are college courses on chess. I think there are not college courses on Doom. Simple. Some people may not like that Wikibookians do not want Wikibooks to be a dumping ground for whatever doesn't fit in Wikipedia. But we have a charitable mission, and we need to respect that. --Jimbo Wales 21:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" :: The issue I see is then [[Wiki Science]] as far as I know, isn't taught at universities. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 11:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC) == Idea for policy == Biographies have been a major isue over at Wikipedia, especially biographies of current people. The idea of a biography on a wiki is usually appauling to most people. And while wikitruth may not be true on this issue, it does list some pretty poor possibilities when it comes to biographies. Essentially; if someone disagree's with their biography, they simply can't just edit it; else the vandal patrol will catch the major revision they probably made and revert it. And then it becomes pretty difficult for someone to prove that they are that person, and etc. etc. My idea for a solution is simple. No biographies on Wikibooks. To my knowledge, there are no biographies on wikibooks right now, so we aren't cutting anything, and more importantly, any'''one''' out. By initiating this policy now, we can catch the problem early, before it becomes a problem here on Wikibooks, as it is in Wikipedia. (indeed, all the major press problems on Wikipedia deals with Biographies). --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 06:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :As we host textbooks, not biographical books, the issue is not a great one on Wikibooks. We do, though, have some (very brief) biographies of key figures that feature in the development of the science or humanity in question. For instance, [[General Biology]] has [[General Biology/Gallery of Biologists]], which mostly links to wikipedia, although [[General Biology/Gallery of Biologists/Charles Darwin]] is hosted on Wikibooks. I don't see any problem at all in this, as I expect the number of biographies we host to stay low. One thing we could do to head any potential problems off at the pass is to have a separate category into which to place the few biographies we have so that they can be closely monitored, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :: Thats the issue. Closely monitored means that the person who the biography is about may have a very difficult time editing his own page, especially if he is a newbie to wikibooks (as is the issue in Wikipedia. How the heck is a newbie supposed to know any policy?). Loosely monitored == vandals on all biographies. It is a lose-lose situation I see here. Finally; a biography on a key figure in history would technically fall under textbook. Martin Luther King for example is a unit alone in some history books. I don't see how an indepth biography on say, Saddam wouldn't be a textbook at all. Useable in a (modern) history class so on, so forth. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 07:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :::I don't agree with that. Wikibooks doesn't have the bloat and the red-tape that wikipedia has. We don't have many people here who are prepared to revert a gigantic revision like the kind that you are talking about. General policy here is an "ask first shoot later" kind of mentality. We are more likely to post a {{tl|cleanup}} notice or a {{tl|warning}} note on questionable content, and wait for a reply. I think that Biographies could be considerably useful, although we would probably do well to stay away from current-event people, and stick instead to historical figures who are already dead, and whose lives are set in stone. I would probably vote to allow biographies here, given the opportunity. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::: I guess as long as current-event people are stayed away from, we should be good. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 05:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC) == abilties of "mediawiki" == hello, im from the hebrew wikibooks. i would like to know if you know any way to show all pages under specific page.<br /> for ex. if there are the pages: *abc *abc/1 *abc/2 is there a way to show on the page: "abc" list that will include: "abc/1" and "abc/2"? thanks :Click on "Special pages" on the toolbox, and then "Prefix index". Type in "abc". The English wikibooks version is [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex here]. The Hebrew wikibooks version is [http://he.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93:Prefixindex here], [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 08:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ::you misunderstood me, i want to put in every book the same template that automaticly will show all the pages under the page she is included in, is there any way to do it? ::: There is not a way to do this, to my knowledge. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 22:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC) *Wow! I have been looking for a page like that for ages but it didn't come in my standard 1.5 MediaWiki installation package. Is that an extention available as open source code ? I'd like to get it for my Fan Fiction Wiki [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 07:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ** There is ''not'' a way to do this so far as I know. You should write the extension maybe =) [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 11:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC) *** I did write one extension already :) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_by_Renmiri] But in this case I was just referring to the one Jguk mentioned above: Special:Prefixindex. It is not on the MediaWiki 1.5 or 1.6 distribution, so I wonder if it is something you guys did or something I could get at Wikimedia. BTW, I have installed the [http://it.extension.org/wiki/WikiSpeller Spell Checking extension] on my Wiki and it works great! Wouldn't that be neat to have it here too ? [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 14:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC) **** Hrm, I thought it was a part of the core MW distribution. Have you tried the latest beta versions? We usually get things as they happen. Alternatively, you could ask about it in #mediawiki on irc.freenode.net [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 15:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC) **** I looked at your site, and it looks like you have the prefixindex available to you: [http://it.extension.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex here]. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 15:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ***** Oh that is the site for the Spell Checking extension, not [http://blogger-bee.com/index.php/Main_Page my site]. But thanks for the tips, I will look into it. I'm positive it didn't came with 1.5 but I have not installed 1.6 so it may be there. Thanks !!! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 15:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Try to transclude the Specialprefix page: <nowiki>{{Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}/}}</nowiki> We use this trick in the Spanish Wikibooks, so it should work here. --[[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 19:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC) : Woah, that's pretty good. Nice hack! [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC) == Creating Text book Modules for Wikibooks with Google Notebook == Creating Text book Modules for Wikibooks with Google Notebook I've put together some short instructions for banging together module content with references on the web by using Google Noteboook... I think it could be leveraged into quite a publishing tool if used correctly. * install notebook * right click add note * print document * copy and paste into page * text clean up (time consuming as Garrett Points out) === benefits === *easy to use *includes URL for references *wikipedia and Creative Commons materials available Video of the process coming soon. Anyone tried same/similar? You can see some rough content here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/FHSST_Computer_Literacy/Contents/Computers_in_all_walks_of_life and here http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User:DennisDaniels&action=submit best --[[User:DennisDaniels|dgd]] 06:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :Yes, it's definitely a useful tool. Unfortunately for ideal results you need to format everything twice (e.g. <b><nowiki>'''bold'''</nowiki></b>) in readiness for importing. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 11:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC) ::Maybe a plugin specifically for Wikimedia? I know that Google is very much pro Wikipedia and etc? --[[User:213.42.2.23|213.42.2.23]] 11:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC) == Fix == Might want to change this page: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiversity Thanks == published books == why not put books in that dont have copyright shakespeare authors that have been dead 100 yrs are copyright free put some on!!!!!!!!!! : Wikibooks is for books being made/corrected, etc. etc. : Already finished books go on [http://en.wikisource.org Wikisource] --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC) == Blocked User? == One of my contributors has told me that he can no longer edit pages on wikibooks. He says none of the edit links show up. He's on the opposite coast as I am, so I can't exactly go over and see what he's doing. He had been making a lot of great contributions until this happened, and I'm trying to figure out what may have gone wrong. Is this what it looks like when someone gets blocked? I know that sometimes he logs in with his username, and other times he contributes from 71.103.178.xx. Can anyone shed some light on this? [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 03:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :I don't see any IP addresses in the block log, although I only looked as far back as mid-april. There aren't many usernames in that list, although if you tell me your friend's user name, i can look it up for you. I've never been blocked, so unfortunately i dont know what it looks like. If there is some kind of an error though, I might be able to help. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 03:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ::His username is [[User:Westsarchery|Westsarchery]]. [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 03:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :::That username doesnt appear anywhere in the block logs either. See if your friend can send you a screenshot or something of what he is seeing when he tries to edit. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC) If you are blocked and you try to edit, then you will see the [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext]] page. This should allow your friend to see if it is an inadvertent blocking problem, or something else, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 12:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC) : It sounds like he must be having some other problem then. I'll try to work with him to see if I can get to the bottom of it. Thanks for the help. [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 13:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ::I know that I was having a specific problem with my ISP, that my edits would never get saved, and when i clicked "Save Page", the page would never load. When I moved home, I was using Comcast instead of Verison, and now I can edit freely again. Maybe your friend is having a similar problem. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :It might be a problem with monobook.js/css. I edited mine to add something; it got messed up and eliminated all tabs at the top of a wikipedia page. It didn't fix itself even when I commented out both files, only when I moved them. Also, appending ?action=edit or &action=edit to a wiki url opens edit. [[wikipedia:user:pcu123456789|PCU123456789]] ([[wikipedia:user_talk:pcu123456789|talk]]) 00:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC) == Video game guides issue == Unfortunately, I think it's time that we put the issue of videogames to rest. [[Wikibooks:Game manual guidelines]] needs to be altered (removed or rejected), and [[WB:WIW]] needs to be altered to demonstrate that game manuals do not belong here. I would be highly in favor of writing an expiry time into this policy, so that we can review it at a later date, once we know what the long-term effect of losing these manuals actually costs us. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 18:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :It's not looking good foe the people who want to keep the guides. The [[Wikibooks Pokédex|Pokédex]] was just deleted today. Even though some users want to keep the guides, actions show that they are leaving. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 01:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Inevitably those who were here just to write the guides will leave, and those here to write a mixture of textbooks and video game guides will reduce their time here. Hopefully they will go to the sites where the guides are being moved to and those books will continue to grow. Meanwhile, with a true focus on textbooks, Wikibooks should be in a fine position to expand and attract in those who wish to boost up our textbooks. Ideally I'd like to be able to go to Wikipedia and invite in, say, those who would be willing to write a complete study guide for Maths GCSE - and then expand that for all GCSE syllabuses and then similar courses in other countries. Similarly for A-level maths - and for other subjects. The cost of published copyrighted texts is enormous - Wikibooks should set itself the aim of providing free texts, thereby benefiting the cause of education greatly, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :Going back to Whiteknight's suggestion, I think that he is right. As a temporary measure, let's reinstitute Jimbo's addition to WB:WIW [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks&diff=prev&oldid=434945], which was to add under a heading of "Wikibooks is not a repository for video game manuals" the following text: ::Some content about video games could be appropriate, such as a textbook for an existing course on the impact of video games in our culture. But in general, game guides are not appropriate for Wikibooks. :[[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :: Can someone please explain to me what I'm missing here? I know I'm obvlivious at times... so maybe it is just something obvious ... but. How are video game guides contradicting that goal? How would video game guides slow down progress at Wikibooks at all? --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 06:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC) By removing books that are not textbooks from Wikibooks, Wikibooks will be in a position to become truly focused. Focus is important - it tells people clearly what we are about. It should enable us to attract more writers and readers in so that we can become a leading resource for free textbooks, which is, after all, Wikibooks' aim, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :What we need is for the likes of you and I to get back to book writing - your [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior_Kings_and_Queens_of_England Kings and Queens] book is great! That said, this is a "Larry" moment for Wikibooks, do we allow the future to evolve within us or do we regulate it? The risk taken by Jimmy Wales when he deregulated Wikipedia was enormous but our risk is tiny - we just partition the dubious books onto bookshelves at the back of the library. We can maintain the focus by presenting our high school books at the front. Which reminds me, I should really be lending a hand on these so we actually have some high school books. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 17:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC) == An electronic encyclopedia of life? == Edward O. Wilson was quoted as saying the following in The Discover Interview in the June 2006 issue of Discover: "What we need is an electronic encyclopedia of life, with one page for each species." (To allow scientists, and others, build a world-wide resource.) Is this a Wiki possibility? [[User:David Hockey|David Hockey]] 15:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :I thought they had such a project at [[wikispecies:|Wikispecies]]. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 15:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC) == I love video game books == I am afraid that I have not been so clear in my past statements in this area and this is causing people consternation where I think there should be friendly dialogue. I am an advocate of free culture. I love video game books. I think that people should be passionately writing books about video games in a collaborative manner. These can be walkthroughs, these can be textbooks about the sociological phenomena of games, these can be textbooks for game programming, these can be user manuals, these can be joke books, these can be fan fiction, these can be all kinds of cool and interesting things that I have not imagined, and that none of us have yet imagined, because we are at the beginning of the grand experiment of internet collaboration using free licenses. The issue here is not about me not liking them, the issue is that the Wikimedia Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non profit organization which was approved as such by application to the US Government based on a particular charter of operations, and we have NO CHOICE but to follow that charter. If we expanded the mission of Wikibooks to include things which are outside the scope of our charter, we would lose our tax exempt status and place the entire project in peril, including Wikipedia, Wikibooks, and everything else. There is a simple dividing line to use. Is there a course taught at an accredited institution of learning, which requires as a textbook, the sort of book in question? That's the rule. It is easy to apply, it keeps us from having to fight about whether various things are 'important enough' or 'serious enough' for Wikibooks. (A silly question, I think, because all kinds of things are important, and demeaning someones work as not being serious enough is not kind.) I think of game walkthroughs and manuals in the same way that I think about Hamlet. Hamlet is a great book, but it is not a textbook. It belongs in Wikisource. Game walkthroughs and manuals may be great books, but they are not textbooks either. They belong at Wikia, or a generic wiki host. We do not allow original fiction here. We do not allow things that go in wikisource. I have too much love and pride about the important mission of Wikibooks to let it become a dumping ground for things that the Wikipedians are kicking out. The mission of Wikibooks is to provide a complete curriculum that will allow every single person on the planet, in their own language, to get the education that they need to survive and prosper in the world. This is a noble mission, it is an important mission, but it is not a mission that can be achieved without serious focus on what we are doing here and why. We are a charity. We have a mission. Let's stick to it.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 22:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :Another point that has been brought up concerns topics that are worthy topics of instruction, but that may not be taught in a standard classroom setting. For instance, [[Chess]] is certainly not taught in many schools, except there are chess clubs that teach it. And if we allow [[Chess]], then the slippery slope has us including all sorts of games. How do we answer this issue? --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::I think chess should probably leave, as Jimbo said "''Is there a course taught at an accredited institution of learning, which requires as a textbook, the sort of book in question?''". I don't think you can take a collage course in chess, therefore it has to go. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :::But there are people who do seriously study chess, and there are chess schools where it is professionally taught to students. Perhaps these chess schools aren't accredited (i don't know one way or the other), but it is a serious topic of study with several instructional and theoretical books being published on the topic. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::::Well ''if'' these classes are in an accredited institution of learning, ''then'' it can stay, if not, it leaves. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :::::This shouldn't be such a difficult issue. Google should give us some indication of what is and isn't being taught. For ''Chess'', we have :::::*GCol 1905 Chess and Critical Thinking at University of Minnesota [http://www.gen.umn.edu/courses/fa04_syllabi/1905-1_Bart.pdf] :::::*MATH 177 Logic of Chess at University of Wisconsin Whitewater [http://math.uww.edu/~mcfarlat/177.htm] :::::*ED 4358 Chess I: Using Chess in Elementary Schools at University of Texas [http://www.utdallas.edu/student/catalog/ugcurrent/ugprograms/ed.html] :::::*Fundamentals of Chess (no apparent catalog number) at University of Maryland-Baltimore County [http://www.cs.umbc.edu/~sherman/Chess/masterprep/] :::::Although I still haven't demonstrated that the ''Chess'' Wikibook is useful in any of these courses, we're a lot closer than we were. This only took me a few minutes. I think this is the right way to apply the "accredited institution" metric &mdash; let's talk specifics rather than going on preconceptions about what classes are and aren't taught. --Brian Brondel 01:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC) ::::::It looks like I was wrong; you ''can'' learn chess in collage! I guess the book is safe then :) [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 01:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC) :On another note, given this information and this mandate, I think it is very important that we update [[WB:WIW]]. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::Yes, [[WB:WIW]] should be updated with this new information. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Details of 501(c)(3) are given at: [http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf Tax exempt status for your organization]. The charter for Wikimedia is at : [http://wikimediafoundation.org/bylaws.pdf Bylaws of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.]. Please can anyone point to where these exclude documents such as game guides, or have I missed a crucial document? A charitable educational institution is permitted to start courses as and how they think fit but it seems that Wikibooks is excluded from this - anyone know where? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC) : This answers my questions completely. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 11:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Robin, the bylaws state (on page 1): :"The general purpose and objectives of the Foundation shall be the following: Wikimedia Foundation is dedicated to the development and maintenance of online free, open content encyclopedias, collections of quotations, textbooks and other collections of documents, information, and other informational databases..." and they go on to describe Wikibooks as: :"a collection of e-book resources aimed specifically toward students (such as textbooks and annotated public domain books)" These seem quite clear, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 11:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC) :They seem crystal clear but they do not exclude game manuals. In fact it would be appropriate for an on-line source such as Wikibooks to mount the first ever set of books that constitute a complete course in computer gaming. Computer game guides, if offered for free, do not violate either of the two documents mentioned, so the legal and constitutional arguments are red herrings. :We are left with a debate about whether we want to have game guides and whether these are appropriate to Wikibooks. :My own view is that Doom is questionable but guides that cover "Second Life" and other online games that involve real financial transactions must be valid books. However, the whole debate is strange because these game books are harmless and can be partitioned onto the computer games bookshelf. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC) ::I'm afraid I do think you are somewhat misunderstanding Jimbo if you conclude that a game guide like Second Life may be permissible on Wikibooks because Second Life has some features that may make playing it valuable in real-life. The question to be asked is - is this book a textbook? [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC) :::The problem is "what is a textbook?". A textbook is a manual for a course of study but what is a course of study? We are trying, artificially, to limit the idea of courses of study to those courses that are already available somewhere in the world. In other words to courses that are economically viable. I think some aspects of video game play wll be economically viable in the near future - the fact that Wikibooks might already have a manual for the course will expedite course creation. :::It is amusing that our roles in the debate on regulations have reversed as we examine different areas. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC) == consolidation of bookshelves == I've been looking at the following bookshelves in the [[Wikibooks:Social Science department]]: [[Wikibooks:Economics bookshelf]], [[Wikibooks:Business bookshelf]], and [[Wikibooks:Law bookshelf]]. I cannot speak for the business and law bookshelves as strongly as the economics bookshelf, but I don't believe there is enough material right now to constitute an entire bookshelf. I suggest that these be consolidated into one bookshelf for the time being, maybe the [[Wikibooks:Social science bookshelf]]. I'm sure eventually there will be enough content to constitute three seperate bookshelves, but I think that won't happen for some time. On my [[User_talk:Paul_Lynch|user talk page]] I have listed the inactive, low content books on the economics bookshelf that I believe should be deleted, or merged. I would appreciate it if an admin would take a look at this list, and either delete these books or let me know if they are subject to speedy delete or not. Also, just out of curiosity, if anyone is currently working on a book on any of these book shelves, could you leave me a message on my user talk page? Thanks, [[User:Paul Lynch|DettoAltrimenti]] 23:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :I will take a look at the books you mentioned, and do what I think is necessary to them. Also, the idea of bookshelf consolidation, considering the fact that we have so few books on those shelves is a good idea, I think. I am not to involved with the structure of bookshelves myself, other users and administrators are far more involved with that subject then I am, and I would hate to monkey around in a system that I know nothing about. However, if you feel that things would be better with a merged bookshelf, and if you have the time and energy to attempt the merger, by all means do what you think is best. Be bold. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC) ==Unicode== I am transwikiing a unicode table from pages in http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Unicode_9000-9FFF to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Windows_Programming/Unicode/Character_reference/9000-9FFF. The pages on Wikisource are headed for deleetion, but are useful as a unicode char. code reference in the Windows Programming/Unicode/Character reference wikibook. Does anyone wish to help move this?[[wikipedia:user:pcu123456789|PCU123456789]] ([[wikipedia:user_talk:pcu123456789|talk]]) 00:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC) : [[User:Uncle G]] has a transwiki bot. He may be willing to help. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 02:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC) == &amp; in links == hi, a technical question. I'm asking here because there seems to be no consensus on what is or is not permitted/working/expteced/... There were some links that have been removed from a number of modules in the Ada Programming book, but not by the authors, as far as I can tell. The change comments are consistently empty, so I don't know for sure what the reason was, though I suspect the intent has been technical: mostly &amp;-links have been removed. The help pages on links and URLs I could find were not exactly unambigous about the issue: <tt>&amp;</tt> ''is'' a valid plain URL character. You can escape it. &amp; works just fine where we need it, see below. &amp; becomes %26 when the link is activated. The Ada programming book talks, naturally, about the "&amp;" delimiter. (Each delimiter has its own module.) The &amp; character works just fine in links, it is URL-escaped (%26) and leads to the expected module: I can use an internal link, [[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&amp;]], i.e. <nowiki>[[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&amp;amp;]]</nowiki> or an Ada/template, {{Ada/delimiter|&amp;}}, i.e. <nowiki>{{Ada/delimiter|&amp;amp;}}</nowiki>. I can even omit writing a proper character entity reference and still I get [[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&]] i.e. <nowiki>[[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&amp;]]</nowiki> and {{Ada/delimiter|&}}, i.e. <nowiki>{{Ada/delimiter|&amp;}}</nowiki>. * Is this a technical issue? * Is it a misunderstanding? * Should the URL/link help pages be improved, or should I improve my understanding? As I am maintaining two programs for turning Ada into wikibook markup, I'd really like to know whether there is a precise specification of what exactly composes an internal wikibook link. The editting help is a bit vague and ambigous as regards the full character set, or am I missing something? The issue is of general interest, I think, as linguists, typographers, prep school teachers, and authors of books on other programming languages might run into the same issue. (If there is one.) regards, [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 03:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC) : If there's no problem with the links working, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to use them in the Ada book. The person removing them probably didn't understand that they were valid. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC) :: After looking into this some more, I conclude this was instead part of the recent redirection cleanup. Follow-up question below. [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 17:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC) == About categories == In wikibooks we have a problem in the other wikis they don't sense: in the category page, where appears a book's subpage like xxxxx/yyyy/zzz we see all the address. Will be usefull a new function like writing <nowiki>[[Category:German</nowiki>'''!'''<nowiki>zzz]]</nowiki>, will print zzz on the category page. If you agree with me I will post this purpose on bugzilla. bye [[User:The Doc|The Doc]] 12:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC) Ok I've done it, [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6111 bug 6111] [[User:The Doc|The Doc]] 20:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC) == Policy on deleting inactive modules == Is there a policy on deleting inactive modules? I have a great example here, [[Supervisor_Nuts_and_Bolts]]: There is basically one real contributor, with no user page, who wrote all of the content in one day, 2 February, 2006. I think this should be deleted, but is 3 months a long enough time to wait? I think it is. [[User:Paul Lynch|DettoAltrimenti]] 02:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :There isn't any content; it's just an outline, a stub. Perhaps the stub macro should be added to it to alert people that there is work to do. I'd like to know why there is so much interest in deletion these days, perhaps I'm just hypersensitive but it seems as if that's all people talk about here lately. I think we should ask why anything should be deleted, is disk space that expensive? It can't be bandwidth because pages that are not accessed don't cost any bandwidth so why the interest in deletion? This particular module is an outline for a book on a very important subject so surely it should remain. Anyway what does 'inactive module' mean? I have written a number of modules (with content not just an outline) that have been inactive for longer than [[Supervisor_Nuts_and_Bolts]] if by inactive you mean that there have been no edits in that period. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 11:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :: The interest in deletion is for two reasons: ::# Jimbo has clarified some policies which mean that large chunks of content on wikibooks should not be here. Some of it is from transwikis, some of it home grown. ::# We have not (for the past 3 years) been very good about pruning inactive or abandoned books, so we have a build up of cruft, which certain users have taken the initiative in cleaning out. ::[[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :::I think this is a mistaken notion. Huge chunks of Wikibooks have been deleted or pruned recently, and the move to do so has been accelerating for some time. Indeed, if you look at the total module count on Wikibooks you would have noticed that the total number of Wikibooks modules over the past several months has been going down, even with many new Wikibooks being started and significant expansions of several books occuring. Debate over what should and should not be on Wikibooks has been ongoing, and quite a bit of progress was being made well before the fiat decisions by Jimbo as well. Indeed, I believe that most of the results of Jimbo's pronouncements would likely have happened anyway, just on a slower timescale before it came to a head. Indeed the problem I have come across is when I try to delete something like the Wikimania proceedings (clearly not a textbook or even a book) where after I deleted the content it was restored due to political pressures to keep the content. :::This is an old debate, although due vigalance should happen to try and review content regularly on Wikibooks to make sure that the content that is here relates to the general guidelines of this website. Far too often there have been people treating Wikibooks as a free public website where anything and everything can be published. :::BTW, if you see a book like the one listed above, you can either add the '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' mark-up tag or add it to the [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion]] page for review by the community. In some cases, simply by adding the book to the VfD page will get the attention of somebody and cause some meaningful content to be added that helps out all of Wikibooks as well. If you want to really help out here, do your part and try to dig out these lost or forgotten modules. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 09:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Fictional Books == Can Wikibooks be used to make fictional books, imaginary ideas? And if yes, where, in the All Bookshelves shall I put it? — [[User:Mastermind 007|<span style="color:red">'''''Master'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mastermind 007|<span style="color:green">'''''mind'''''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mastermind 007|<span style="color:blue">'''''007'''''</span>]] '''09:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)''' : No. Please see [[WB:WIW]], which explains this. You can put these on [http://www.wikia.com/ wikia], I believe. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :Take a look at [[wikia:c:novelas|Novelas]] which is likely what you're wanting. There are also wikias for [[wikia:c:althistory|Alternative History]] and various other fiction idea-sharing environments. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC) == Redirects Having Semantic Significance == Noticing a major cleanup effort in the deletion logs, I can see a lot of sense in most of these deletions, as many appear to have been technical (e.g., "''':'''" &rarr; "'''/'''"). Some redirects, however, can carry meaning and their deletion removes more than a technical flaw (now). Consider ''Color/Orange'' versus ''Fruit/Orange'', and the deletion of ''Fruit/Orange''. If ''Orange'' deserves two separate modules because it is both a fruit and in a different context, a color, then we might just have two modules. A redirect from one to the other is unlikely, and it is unlikely deleted. OTOH, what if subject ''X'' has aspects pertaining to both ''A/X'' and ''B/X''? Chances are then that the ''X'' description includes all aspects of ''X'', and that one of ''A/X'' or ''B/X'' is deliberately redirected to the other. I see two solutions in the latter case: create a dummy module for all but the complete ''X'' module, and then either transclude or redirect. Right? Follow this from the perspective of a textbook user skimming the index. The index may offer a redirect, so that the reader is enabled to find a reference to the (differently named) item. What's the best way to deal with this situation such that * Modules can refer to one aspect of ''X'' specifically using links * The ''X'' module is comprehensive as regards ''X'' (all aspects) Is redirecting a no-no in wikibooks? [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 17:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC) : Redirecting is fine. We do (or did), however, have ''lots''' of redirects left from book moves and removed books. Some useful redirects have likely been deleted in the process. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 21:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC) == CC and GFDL compatibility == I was looking at this free microeconomics text http://www.introecon.com/ released under the Creative Commons license. I was wondering, is this license compatible with the license used here at wikibooks? Can I use any of the information? [[User:Paul Lynch|DettoAltrimenti]] 21:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :Unfortunately not. :( The licenses have some key differences that make them incompatible. And even if they were the author has chosen a nc (non-commercial) restriction which the GFDL doesn't have. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC) == Could we have a Wikinovel on wikibooks? == You know the drill. Lots of people want to use wiki software to write collaborative works - and wikibooks is a great place to do it. Free, high quality novels? It's not "free knowledge" in the Wikimedia sense, but it's "free books" in the Wikibooks sense, and hell I think it would contribute to the world. Obviously there would be rubbish books and good ones, but like all of these wikiprojects, it's the good stuff that you work by. So how about a bookshelf for '''Wikifiction'''? --[[w:User:Alfakim]]. --[[User:131.111.8.97|131.111.8.97]] 14:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC) :No. Wikibooks is for textbooks. A novel does not fit that description. I do believe, however, that there are other wikis for the writing of novels, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC) : See [[Wikibooks:Staff lounge#Fictional_Books]], where we gave fuller answers. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC) :This is a very old argument that came up some time ago. There was a very interesting Wikibook called Aarvard the Arrdvark that was very well written and intented to be a beginning reader for children. After some considerable debate over the whole idea, and some serious discussion within the Wikibooks community, it was decided to remove this book and make a formal policy statement that Wikibooks is only for Non-fiction works. :This has much more to do with something you need to know about the Wikibooks community. Besides the whole textbook/non-textbook argument, you need to keep in mind the kind of people who are working here on Wikibooks. This whole website is setup and organized to help you to write non-fiction books, with policies being set up to fact check the material and to do critical review of the content. Writing fiction requires a very different environment, and it also opens up the potential to edit wars over content, where one person's opinion over what should be there is just as valid as anybody else's. :The other problem is that allowing fiction, even in a limited form, opens up far too many other problems with content as administrators as well. Just as you can't resolve fights over content, it can also be used as a loophole to add content that otherwise would be removed from even straight textbooks. :I have worked on Wikis for collaborative fiction writing, and it is a really neat idea, both in theory and in practice. Wikibooks is not the place for this sort of content, however. For futher details, please see [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks]]. This is something that has been brought up many times in the past. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 10:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Research related to Wikibooks == Has anyone else got an email asking them to do a survey about Wikibooks? [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 00:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC) :Not I. Should we have? Is someone trying to gain information? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 04:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC) Yes, we do. Actually, we are already done with the previous study. We would like to thank you all participants who participated in our previous Wikibook survey. In addition, I am happy to inform you that this research is being published by the Journal of Interactive Online Learning in March 2008 (http://www.ncolr.org/default.htm). Since the 2006 survey, we have been involved in creating three different wikibooks ourselves, including one on “The Web 2.0 and Emerging Learning Technologies” (i.e., The WELT) which has had contributions from graduate students and professors in China, Taiwan, Malaysia, and the United States (see: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Web_2.0_and_Emerging_Learning_Technologies. Dr. Curt Bonk and I are in the midst of a follow-up study of Wikibookians—researching issues of Wikibookian identity, communities of practice, and overall apprenticeship and support (see http://www.surveyshare.com/survey/take/?sid=64648). As the note below indicates, Erik Moller, the Deputy Director of Wikimedia Foundation, is aware of our research and has endorsed it. Here is his message to you. <div style="width:80%; margin:auto; background:#eeeeff;"> Dear Wikibookian, Dr. Curt Bonk and Suthiporn Sajjapanroj from Indiana University and their colleagues from the University of Houston are in the midst of an important study of Wikibookians. They conducted a previous study of 80 Wikibookians in 2006 which will be published next month in the spring 2008 issue of the Journal of Interactive Online Learning (see http://www.ncolr.org/jiol/issues/). In their follow-up study, they are researching issues of Wikibookian identity, communities of practice in Wikibooks, and the overall apprenticeship and support structures that exist in the Wikibooks Website. Their current survey can be found at: http://www.surveyshare.com/survey/take/?sid=64648 The Wikimedia Foundation supports efforts like this to understand and study our communities, and we invite you to participate in this survey. We appreciate any help you can lend to Dr. Bonk and his research team. Please note that this effort is separate from the Wikimedia Foundation cross-project survey that we will conduct in collaboration with UNU-Merit later this year. Sincerely, Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation </div> We hope that this research will help those developing wikibooks and related e-book communities around the world. We promise to once again share the results. Any questions or problems can be sent to me at ssajjapa@indiana.edu. [[User:Ssajjapa|Ssajjapa]] 15:26, 27 Feb 2008 (UTC) <div style="width:80%; margin:auto; background:#eeeeff;"> Hello, My name is Suthiporn Sajjapanroj. I am a second-year doctoral student at the Department of Education in Indiana University, Bloomington. My professor, Dr. Curtis J. Bonk, and I are conducting a research related to a Wikibook. The purpose of this study is to find the potential of an instructional strategy, the creation of a Wikibook, to support learning collaboration and social interactions across classrooms in different educational institutions. You are invited to participate in this research study. Your responses will help us understand online collaboration in the creation of a Wikibook. This survey consists of 35 questions and will take you about 15 minutes to complete. Please answer these questions to the best of your knowledge. Thank you very much. Your participation is greatly appreciated. The survey can be found at: http://www.surveyshare.com/survey/take/?sid=36753 (If you are unable to click on the link, copy and paste it into your Web browser.) This survey will be collected anonymously on a secure server provided by SurveyShare. Your survey responses will be kept confidential. Any questions or problems can be sent to ssajjapa@indiana.edu. Suthiporn Sajjapanroj Ph.D. Student in Curriculum and Instruction Indiana University 800 N.Union Street, Bloomington, Indiana 47408 812-857-0009 Curtis J. Bonk, Professor Indiana University Instructional Systems Technology Department School of Education: Room 2220 Bloomington, IN 47405-1006 (812) 856-8353 (work); 322-curt (cell) E-mail: CJBonk@indiana.edu 812-856-8353 http://mypage.iu.edu/~cjbonk/ </div> [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 16:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Real concerns about Wikibooks environment == I could go on endlessly debating if we should or should not have stars on our bellies. That is not the point here, and if this was meaningless debate over nothing here on these pages, I would care less. Here to try and sum up what my major gripes are right now over what is going on with Wikibooks can be expressed with just a few short statements: #I have no idea any more what is or is not acceptable on Wikibooks. So much is being deleted at the drop of a hat, and repeated deletions even if undeleted, that I am tired of trying to fight individual battles. #If I or anybody else tries to write content here, I have no idea if it will be here in six months, much less for any other substantial length of time. This is significant as content for Wikibooks sometimes takes six or more months to even put together. Going back to point #1, the policy landscape is shifting so much right now that '''anything''' I write may be gone simply because one very active admin doesn't like it. This even seems to include pages that are beneficial to the whole project, like [[WB:CCO]], that clearly don't violate any existing policy standard. #Wheel warring is going on too much. That is deletions and undeletions or sysops fighting each other with admin-only functions rather than trying to resolve things in a civil manner and trying to come to a concensus first. This is something that really shouldn't be happening at all. A very hostile environment has taken hold of Wikibooks recently. I don't mind if I am overrulled or told I'm wrong occasionally, but some rather significant policy changes have happened where all I can do is complain well after the fact that the policy has become enforced and acted upon. This is flat out wrong under any circumstance, especially when up until now there was a general community concensus procedure for trying to change policies on this large of a scale. Such concensus was never achieved, particularly with the video game guides, even though the bookshelf is now gone for all practical purposes. "Jimbo says...." is not enough to simply make a policy change, even if you want to give his words significant weight. And Jimbo can be wrong on occasion. Generally speaking, I have tried to work on educating new users to Wikibooks, operating on the philosophy that if they understand what this website is all about, that they will be making generally acceptable contributions. I've also tried to step in before significant contributions have been made, so they aren't wasting their time here on projects that may be deleted in the future. After huge efforts have been put into things like the [[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter]], only to be put up for a VfD for the second time, it seems like a total waste of effort. And this isn't even the first book to have been put up for VfDs multiple times. This is an awsome website and has the potential to do some incredible things that can be good to everybody. I hope that inexpensive books can be produced from the effort here, including textbooks. This is going to take time and effort to happen. I just wish there were more patience with those of us who actually like to write books than those who want to get rid of them. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 15:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC) :I know what you are talking about, but there are factors here that we need to consider. "Jimbo Says..." is good enough to make policy, so far as I am concerned. Wikibooks was set up with a specific charter in mind, and putting all manner of nonsense on here can invalidate the wikimedia charter. Last thing I want is to open my browser one day and see a message like "The wikibooks project was abandoned, because the database was filled with all sorts of crap, there was no focus on education as was intended, and the admins weren't doint their jobs." I doubt that it will ever come to that, but we need to draw some lines in the sand to prevent things from ever getting that bad. Wikibooks needs to have a clear focus, or else it will never be able to acheive anything good. That focus is on textbooks. This is not to say that we can't take a liberal interpretation of the word "textbook", but that does mean that things like the videogame guides don't belong here. And I wish they did belong. I wish that I could click a link, and edit a videogame guide without having to leave the project. However, it isn't to be. I wish that I could read news stories on [http://www.collegehumor.com on collegehumor], or download linux distros from [http://www.gamefaqs.com gamefaqs], or even browse pornography on [http://www.hotmail.com on hotmail], but these things won't happen because those websites have a focus and are sticking to them. Nobody wants all this chaos, but wikibooks is changing: We have been given a focus, and now we need to conform to it. I think we as a community want the Harry Potter book to stay, but maybe we need to test the boundaries of what does and does not belong here before we just keep or just delete anything. It has nothing to do with the fact that it survived a previous VfD or not, it has to do with determining what materials belong and what materials need to go, as per the new focus that we have as a community. If you want to give up on this place, and declare these changes to be too much, or too sweeping, then I understand. It would be a shame to see such a prolific contributor and administrator go, but I know what you are feeling. However, if you want to stay, and help lead us through this dark and uncertain time, then more power to you. I know that I choose to stay. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 15:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC) I agree with Whiteknight that there has been a refocusing towards textbooks. When Wikibooks was set up, and throughout its life, it has always set itself up as a home for textbooks. It is true that for a prolonged period, it has also accepted books that are not textbooks, although these were never officially within its scope. It is only now, after Jimbo has given clear instructions, that we are now moving all books that are not textbooks off Wikibooks. :'''"we are now moving all books that are not textbooks off Wikibooks"''' - books take a long time to write. You should only move substantially complete books off Wikibooks after a proper discussion in the staff lounge. Jimbo has not given clear instructions. Mr Wales is the head of this charitable trust and a reasonable man, if he were to look at the debate on this issue he would probably agree that it is not absolutely clear cut and needs debate, probably on each substantial book in turn. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC) I believe this will have long term benefits - in particular it should help us attract more writers, and then more readers, in. In particular, one area where Wikibooks really could make a difference is by having complete textbooks for the most popular school syllabuses (which is easier for some countries and states of the US than for others). Costs in purchasing copyrighted textbooks are a large part of students/schools budgets. By reducing those to the cost of printing out a free book, or by having textbooks free for commercial exploitation without the costs of copyright, we can make a real difference. Of course, we have many great textbooks on Wikibooks that are not geared towards specific exams, but it is the ones that are so geared that can be the most valuable in financial savings. I have been bold and started something which I suggested some time ago. [[Wikistudy]], for school textbooks geared to specific examinations, [[Wikiprofessional]] for textbooks geared towards professional and vocational examinations. It is only when doing this that I have appreciated what the FHSST and COTSP projects are about (search for them on google or wikipedia and you'll see what I mean). There is a lot of goodwill for these books - we need to make the most of it. I'd love to get things organised on here soon so that we can go to the WikiProjects on Wikipedia, or approach teachers in schools, and make this happen. I believe we'll soon be ready to do this, and this will help maximise the value of Wikibooks, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 18:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC) : Useful, even only financially useful textbooks notwithstanding, wikibook is given the exceptional opportunity to do more than compete with dedicated and existing textbook publishers. We can add to the set of standard textbooks wikibooks on subjects that had spurred our particular interests, that would never make it into the plain old school curriculum, but that nevertheless keep learners in supense. A most desirable goal for a textbook. Those subjects for which no examination comes to mind immediately can nevertheless be most valuable. Learning is not by itself bounded by utility in examination, in school, or in the shop, and I '''strongly''' believe that '''this''' broadness and openness is what sets wikibooks apart. : Please, keep an open mind about the possibilities of a world wide wikibook cooperation, one that may or may not go beyond the necessary viewpoints, ways, costs, regulations, topics, restrictions, etc. of a conventional perception of a high school textbook project. Kids, e.g. are not made just for those textbooks! Adding strict school rules is certainly limiting, and it does by definition exclude subjects and styles of presentation. Why should we want but this? : In sum, please don't stifle the good work by getting mechanically formal, or by following someones personal views too closely. I for one wouldn't want my personal views be followed too closely. Could be dull! [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 20:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC) Oh, by "valuable", I really did mean in the financial sense, and nothing more. Of course we should encourage textbooks on all subjects in wikibooks (although we do have a problem that very few of our books get completed). We very much should be looking beyond the school curriculum. We should also make sure we do cover the core school curriculum well, though. This is important - it also provides good background knowledge for further learning in other areas. I certainly do not seek to inhibit the breadth of textbooks that wikibooks has - however, I also wish to see us excel in the core basic subjects that most schoolchildren learn, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 20:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC) I cannot understand why people are getting so rule oriented on the subject of what should go in Wikibooks. This is a library of textbooks. Textbooks are manuals for courses of instruction. If we have textbooks that seem to have no courses then we should stick them at the back of the library. How much does disk space cost? Almost nothing. So why not just tuck away the books that have no courses in a separate bookshelf ("Guides and manuals that have no current course of instruction") and forget this issue of "What is a Wikibook?". I would suggest the following compromise. If a book is a bona fide guide or manual of instruction then it belongs here (yes, even if it is a game guide). If there is no course anywhere in the world for the guide then it goes at the back of the library. If there is at least one course then it goes in the front along with everything else. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC) I am old enough to remember when moves were made to ban Media Studies from academic institutions (in both the US and UK). Media is now a major part of both countries' economies. Please don't put Wikibooks in a straight-jacket, all that will happen is that we will become a backwater prowled by pedantic librarians. Please let us breathe. If you don't some other, more liberal site can just copy all the "straight" textbooks from here to complement its avant garde approach and kill us stone dead. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC) :Please don't get hung up on my semantics. I believe any textbook can have a place on Wikibooks - and I would use a wide definition of textbook (although I would not stretch it beyond its usual English meaning). I do agree that it is important we have textbooks that do not relate directly to any existing (or even putative) exam, and I haven't seen anyone dissent from that view. What I also believe, however, is that we should make sure that core school syllabuses are covered and covered well. However, I most certainly would not limit our content just to books addressing those syllabuses, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 10:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review: [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]]== It is amazing that we have no policy for dealing with contentious decisions. The game guide issue could be decided by a vote if this policy were available as an enforced policy. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review: proposal to move [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] to enforced status== This policy proposal has, so far, met with unanimous support. It is innocuous, simply proposing that serious disputes are dealt with to one side of the book authoring process. It makes compromise the only worthwhile solution to a dispute. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 14:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC) :It is difficult to convey tone with text, so let me say this explicitly - I really do wish to be helpful here and operate in a collaborative manner to help resolve issues and to extend my good faith. I have an honest disagreement with you here and hopefully we can discuss this as friendly Wikibookians, who nevertheless do disagree on how to make Wikibooks better. :Robin, this proposal only has four people other than yourself commenting on it, and three people other than yourself voting on it. It really needs wider discussion and more support before we can think about making it a policy. I must say my first question was "Why do we need this?" It is also very prescriptive - it also has a horrible sting in the tail. We have previously discussed, and a number of others have commented, that we only really need one behaviour policy. This would make a second one. Why can't we move towards the goal of having such a single "be nice" policy (rename it by all means) and lose the prescription? I do find it ironic that you suggest I am being too rule oriented by saying "Wikibooks is for textbooks", but you are the one coming up with lots of precise rules and methods. Take care, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 15:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ::This is why I have tried to publicise it here. It is prescriptive, saying that if there is a major dispute it should be taken to one side to make the disputants realise that the only way forward is compromise. No one gains from an edit war and this policy ensures that this is the case. ::The "precise" rules are really about tidying up the policies at Wikibooks. It will make your job easier with your re-write, knowing which policies have strong support and which have none. At the moment I do not feel that Wikibooks is a safe place for books. I could put a lot of effort into writing a section on evolution in a biology book and some people with strong opinions could simply wreck it forever. The Editing disputes and No personal attacks policies will provide some of the security that anyone who is prepared to spend hours writing a book requires.[[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review: proposal to move [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] to enforced== This policy has been around for a very long time and discussed at length on the policy's talk page. [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] amended the text of the policy during the vote, all the voters were informed of this amendment and there now seems to be general agreement. [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] has asked that notice of the move to enforced be posted here. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC) cymgf1vplag3ha0jh15c2c1qan3spz4 4639416 4639415 2026-06-08T19:09:27Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639416 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Creating account does not work == When trying to create an account the picture wouldn't show up blocking me from creating the account. In other wikis this is no problem. I use Firefox 1501, several extensions which work perfectly well with other wikis. Java/script are on. -- [[User:Hvezd|Hvezd]] 09:12, 2006-04-29 (UTC) : Can you try again at [[Special:Userlogin]]? From my copy of (outdated) Firefox 1.0.6, I was able to see image. : Of course, check that you did not tell Firefox to block images from en.wikibooks.org. (Most of the images on this site are from upload.wikimedia.org, so you would still be able to see them.) Right-click the words-image and make sure "Block images from en.wikibooks.org" is '''not''' checked. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 08:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks. I never blocked any file of any wiki-site. I created accounts in other wikis before without any problem. I could create an account in wikibooks via IE. Firefox showed the missing picture file in other wikis, just not in wikibooks. Now, 3 days later, it works again. No idea why. -- [[User:Hvezd|Hvezd]] 12:45, 2006-05-02 (UTC) ==Sidebar== I've been bold and tried to improve the sidebar. Unfortunately, for some reason I can't fathom, the two items under "search" appear out of kilter. The page that feeds into the sidebar is [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]. If anyone can see what's wrong please let me know (the page is protected so only admins can edit it). Of course, if you have ideas for improvements yourself, let us know too:) [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC) : This shows that [[m:Be bold]] should apply to "MediaWiki:" pages even though only [[Wikibooks:administrators|administrators]] can edit those. : The problem with "search" was that the text was centered. This is because both the "search" (By subject, Alphabetically) and "search" (text field, Go button, Search button) sections are <code><nowiki><div class="portlet" id="p-search"></nowiki></code> in the HTML. The stylesheet centers the second "search" section, and thus also the first. I believe that I fixed the problem by changing "search" to "books". --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 08:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC) : ... maybe I should have set it to "textbooks" instead of "books" ... --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 02:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC) == [[BDSM]] on [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion]] == Since the [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion]] page is rarely used, this is to notify everyone that I have listed a module there. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 06:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC) == [[Preparing for an Employment Interview]] == I would like to rename this book to something that is more concise, and would be easier to find. I'm looking for suggestions now, because I would like to start doing some major work on this book, such as breaking it down into sub pages, and working on the formatting etc. I don't want to make a bunch of subpages now, and then have to go back and rename all of them when we think of a better name. I would certainly appreciate any suggestions that anybody has on this matter. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[Control Systems|current]])</small> 19:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC) : I agree that it's a bit of an awkward title, but I couldn't think of something nicer unless you want to roll it into a general-purpose "Interviewing" book. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC) ::True, but even then, it covers resume building and cover-letter writing. I was thinking something like "Get a Job", but i feel like that's too base. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[Control Systems|current]])</small> 21:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC) [[Preparing for a job interview]]? [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC) :That still seems too long a title. Maybe i'm just being unnecessarily picky, however. I just want something that will be easy to find in the "search box" by newcomers, although maybe this subject doesn't lend itself easily to that. Since this is on the "How-to bookshelf", I'm thinking we can go with the general scheme of things over there and imply the title with How-To: "Get a Job". --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]])([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 16:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Most titles on Wikibooks are actually short. We have many one-word titles like [[Calculus]]? [[Feminism]]? I suggest longer titles. With very long titles, one can attempt shorthand, as in [[Guide to Unix]] for "Wikibooks Guide to Unix Computing". --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 00:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC) ::::I generally prefer shorter titles, just because it is easier to do an effective search for a short title then for a long one. For instance, it would be much quicker to search for [[Unix]] then for [[Guide to Unix]]. That's just me though. I'm leaning towards (how to)[[Find a Job]]. because it's on the how-to bookshelf, and many of the titles there imply the "how to". --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]])([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 13:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC) ::Interview preparation is another and shorter option. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 21:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC) I think i'm going to just name this one "Find Employment" for now, because I would like to start working on this project more, and i'm impatient. If anybody has a better title for it, feel free to move it. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]])([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 21:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC) == what do i need to do to be able to hear the sound files here at wikibook? == im havin troubles, since its in .ogg format :( [[User:Jane kiedis|Jane kiedis]] 21:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC) Jane kiedis :[[w:Winamp|Winamp]] can play .ogg quite well. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC) ::http://www.vorbis.com/setup/ --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 03:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC) == Why [[Talk:Ada Programming/Contributing]] was deleted? == As you can see, this page was deleted [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Talk%3AAda+Programming%2FContributing] with the unique comment of "There is no module". I think this page does not qualify as a speedy deletion. This one was a page with metainformation about the [[Ada Programming]] book targeted to the contributors. I guess it was deleted because there was not a corresponding module page, but a deletion of useful content without warning is a bit aggressive behaivour. Please, could some administrator undelete it? On the other hand, is there an appropiate space for metainformation about a book? We discussed that topic in [[Talk:Ada_Programming/Contributors_lounge]] and then we moved the page, that previously was in the main namespace [[Ada Programming/Contributing]], to the talk namespace. I didn't feel totally satisfied, but never thought a useful talk page would be deleted only because there was not a correspondent content page. [[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 12:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC) : The book contributors should be able to choose whatever forum they like to discuss the project as a whole. The cookbook uses [[Talk:Cookbook]] as a sort of staff lounge, but we also have [[Cookbook:Policy]] for defining contributing guidelines. An admin should undelete the page. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 13:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC) :Restored. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 21:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC) == RFC Jimbo == I have requested Jimbo explain wikimedia's policy with respect to howtos on [[w:User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Wikibooks_Howtos|his WP talk page]]. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 23:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC) : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=52863097&oldid=52860196 Jimbo has responded]. His position is that most of the howtos should go. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 18:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC) == Recruiting Contributors == I have been working on a very ambitious Wikibook [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book|project]] since October, and have so far attracted two contributors. One of them has disappeared, and I expect the second one to disappear soon because the module for which he has expertise is nearly complete. I have been trying to attract more contributors from the community at which this work is directed, but so far, I have had little success. So now I have an idea that I'd like to get some feedback on. I would like to have custom lapel pins made for Wikibook contributors. Contribute to "my" book, and I'll send a free pin. Unfortunately, it looks like the minimum order is 50 or 100, depending on who you go to, and then the price for the whole lot runs from between $170 to $250 (US). First, I surely am not going to need anywhere near 50 pins - 5 or 10 is probably more like it. Also, I am unwilling to devote my financial resources to something that has a risky return (pins might not attract contributors). However, if the pin design were a generic Wikibooks design, then I can imagine that the risk (and cost) could be shared by many Wikibookians. The most promising supplier looks to me like it might be [http://4lapelpins.com| these guys] (no minimum order, but the difference between 20 pins and 50 pins is very small). I have no affiliation with them, and found them via Google. Is anyone interested in something like that? Maybe the Foundation could have a couple hundred of them made and sell them in onesies and twosies for a small profit. Thoughts? [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 00:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : I doubt wikimedia would be up for this, and I don't know that it'd actually encourage people to stick around or even to contribute in the first place, but it might be fun. You're looking at lapel pins, which are quite expensive as they are produced from custom-made diess. If you looked instead at 1-inch buttons (think punk kids), you would find the price to be way more reasonable and maybe even something you might feel comfortable bankrolling for your book in particular. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 00:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :: My target audience is into pin trading, which is why I suggested that. Since we're a scouting-type of an organization, we have uniforms, and the pins go nicely there. ::: Ah yes, good point. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 01:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : Wikimedia already has a [http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia/529053 CafePress store]. There's a general [http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia.46028609 Wikimedia button pack], but no Wikibooks one. It wouldn't be particularly difficult to sell a Wikibooks logo-stamped button through CafePress, so I suggest you e-mail wikipedia@cafepress.com if that's what you would like. Don't count on selling quality pins through the foundation however. Hope you find something, [[Special:Emailuser/Hagindaz|✉]][[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]]_{[[User talk:Hagindaz|t]]}\^{[[Special:Contributions/Hagindaz|c]]} 01:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :: Thanks Hagindaz. I sent cafepress an email asking if they'd consider offering lapel pins. We'll see what happens. [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 02:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC) == please help == I have been blocked by inshanee on charges that are wholly trumped up and false. in fact, i am working on the very issue myself; i was blocked for alleged "attacks". Everything i have said is cogently factual, and thus, not an attack, with a single possible exception being a vote i made. Even there, i could provide logic to show that in fact, i am just making a cogent observation. The truth is that this is a pov warrior event and inshanee is abusing his admin priveledge. I am working on the problem of personal attacks, in fact, and this is one reason why i am being targeted. Inshanee and strotha both like to use sly attacks, and then pounce on you when you defend yourself. My version of reality being the cogent analysis and recognition of this tactic puts them in a hard spot where they would not be able to use the method if i can get the problem resolved. what follows is what blocking me kept me from posting in response to the "personal attacks" topic posted on Jimbos talk page. ------------ [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Actually, thats a slippery slope, a hyperbole, and, its untrue. Using logic, we can discern between attacks and useful conversation about people. More importantly, right now Wikipedia has become an ad hominem fest. In fact, wikipedia has become extremely abusive, thanks to no clear means to deal with the abusiveness. This is a circular problem in that people with expertise won't participate if they can tell just by browsing the talk pages that its psychological mob warfare defending VS the ignorant to bother to try. For example; I'm not adding any material regarding Psychonautics. I might just be one of the worlds foremost experts on the topic, having managed to obtain waking Theta states in both myself and others. The topic is allready controversial amongst the well educated. Add to this the inevitable problem of facing down an ignorant mob as soon as you say something the thought police finds dangerous to maintaining ignorance, and you have a formulae for abuse. IF logic and cogency were the dominant paradigm on Wikipedia, then experts might feel safe to come here and contribute. All of the sciences at advanced levels become politically inconvenient for the dominant religious and political paradigms. Those paradigms can only continue to exist via the vaccum created by intentional ignorance. Ignorance is maintained via anti intellectual pack psychology. And right now, Wikipedia as a form of government falls easilly into the category "pack psychology driven MOB". THE ONLY way to fix this is to make real changes in policy and methods of enforcement regarding personal attacks. (And other considerations of logic, including straw man arguments and false dillemmas.) [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ------------- Now, I am getting really sick of being gamed and played by abusive people here, and my next step is to start taking my complaints to people who will listen. Wikiwatch has allready featured me. For instance. I am trying to resolve these problems, and these people are being patently abusive. If these problems can't be resolved, then it seems that i will be forced to leave wikibooks and wikipedia, and to make certain that the world knows that wikipedia is an extremely abusive place. [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : (Trying to be helpful) I have no idea what you're talking about here. You have given insufficient context. Your formatting is also a serious problem that is inhibiting communication; try to write in paragraphs containing one or more sentences, try '''not''' using breaks (instead, use indentation or quoting). Finally, write focused sentences that state the facts, with appropriate references (''links'') to where these things occured; leave your emotional appeals out of it since they only distract from your point. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ::I'm trying to figure out exactly what the problem is. you are clearly able to leave a message here, which indicates to me that you are probably not blocked from wikibooks. maybe you should be more specific as to how you are blocked, and how we can help. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 19:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ::: He is apparently talking about being blocked at WP: [[w:User_talk:Prometheuspan]], where he has made a bunch of disruptive edits, especially in AFD. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Disruptive edits. the characterization begins. sorry if i am badly formatted, i loose some amount of my dyslexia compensation when i am po'ed. Those VFDs were mockeries of consensus process. What good is WP:No attacks when the rule is only selectively applied to people rogue admins want to fast track or intimidate into silence? I made cogent and rational additions to 3 vfds which were all of them started by an ad hominem. And all of which were patently pov warrior gaming of the system. In most cases, i just pointed out factual ad hominems. As votes. Maybe i should have invoked WP: remove attacks, and deleted said votes. Hard to tell what the right move is in such a corrupted double standard system. In any case, thats not why i am being blocked. I am being blocked for defending myself against attacks, using cogent and factual logic. The double standard here is apalling. Nevermind in any case, apparently the only way to deal with the abusiveness of this system is to go outside of the system and unleash the fury of a Sociologist with depth knowledge of Logic. obviously, if after a week and a half of abuse has gone unpunished, and nobody cares about it on admin noticeboards, and theres no method to get abuse dealt with, esp by abusive admins, this is a futile effort also. By all means, just ignore me and dismiss me, its all anybodies done so far, i have come to expect it. [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 21:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC) [[User:Prometheuspan|Prometheuspan]] 21:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :Hey man, listen up, your ego is astounding. First off, your not going to get anywhere in this place by getting angry, thats not how wiki works. Secondly, its not a great idea to threaten to leave because nobody cares, there are a thousand people here any of which could take your place. Thirdly, stop ranting about the abusive system because the system owns you, your account, everything you have written here, and they know your IP address. Fourthly i think you just threatened all of us with, and I quote: <b>"Nevermind in any case, apparently the only way to deal with the abusiveness of this system is to go outside of the system and unleash the fury of a Sociologist with depth knowledge of Logic."</b>That is highly abusive of your privilige to write here, so in future please save a couple bytes of hard disk space and submit any complaints like a good wikibookian. Hope you haven't already vandalized the system and your wikibookian soul can still be salvaged! [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] 23:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC) :Wikibooks is '''not''' Wikipedia. Whatever it is you have or haven't done ''over there'' it doesn't involve Wikibooks. Please feel free to take your case to [[w:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] if you haven't already. Thank you. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC) == Text Wrap == In Wikijunior: Solar System, we're having some trouble with pictures moving text too much, what is the wiki-code for text-wrap? [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] 23:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC) : Not quite sure what you mean; if you use the right/left/center modifiers on Image, you get text wrap automagically. See [[w:Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax]]. If you're trying to prevent images from descending into other sections you can use <nowiki><br style="clear:both"/></nowiki> [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 03:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC) == MSRI video lectures == This might be of interest to people who maintain the mathematics section of wikiversity. MSRI has a large collection of videolectures [http://www.msri.org/publications/video/ here]. Download is free, and although I am not sure that they have the right license, the fact that they keep most of their videos on archive.org indicates that the license is free enough. Please, answer me on my [[w:ru:User talk:Dmitri83|talk page]]. == Using Wikibooks logo in a link? == I'm trying to set up a link from my website to a wikibook (Stuttering) that doesn't have its own graphic or image. Can I use the Wikibooks logo that appears in the upper left corner of the Main Page? Where can I get this image (or a link to it)? This is for a list of recommended books, and the other books have the cover on the left, and my recommendation on the right. It looks bad to not have some image for the wikibook.--[[User:Tdkehoe|Thomas David Kehoe]] 17:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC) :The Wikimedia Foundation has established guidelines for use of their logos. They can be found at [[foundation:Wikimedia visual identity guidelines]]. Hope this helps. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC) :I noticed I didn't answer your question about where the file can be found. It is located on the Wikimedia Commons at [[Commons:Wikimedia]]. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] == How To Build A Pykrete Bong == I would like to suggest that [[How To Build A Pykrete Bong]] be deleted as it is innapropriate material for wikibooks <small>&mdash;''the preceding unsigned comment is by'' [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] ([[User talk:Basejumper123|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Basejumper123|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small> : Erm. It was deleted until you made the page again? [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 00:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :: no, it was still on the bookshelf <small>&mdash;''the preceding unsigned comment is by'' [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] ([[User talk:Basejumper123|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Basejumper123|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small> ::: The page was already deleted. This was evidenced by the fact that you were the only contributor to the book when you posted the above comment. If it was still on the bookshelf, you could have removed it and that would have been end of story. Also, please sign your comments using four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC) == Introduction to Physical Science == Hi everyone, Im trying to write a simple, 8th grade science text that is an "introduction to physical science". It will try to stick to the following syllabus *laboratory procedure *measurement *calculation *properties *basic experimentation I have already written the first chapter, please help out if you have time, the link is here [[Introduction_to_Physical_Science]] thanks, [[User:Basejumper123|Basejumper123]] 00:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review - vote now!== There are a lot of policies that have not been resolved. How about focussing on [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] this month? Can we wrap-up the vote on this? I would also move for [[Wikibooks:Ad hoc administration committee]] to be deleted because it looks like it will never go to a clear majority vote. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 16:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC) ===There is no policy governing voting=== Perhaps before reviewing any other policies the following proposed policy might be reviewed(!): [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC) == Positive language policies == I've just read a bunch of the policy pages and I find myself agreeing with [[User:Jguk]] and [[User:Zephram Stark]] that we should be attempting to form policies that are in positive terms and not so legalistic and punitive in nature. Jguk proposed something along the lines of [[Wikibooks:Always act civilly]]. Zephram has also pointed to [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-May/045082.html this posting by Jimbo] for some other context. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 17:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :Well, Zephram is an odd case since he was banned ''multiple'' times from Wikipedia for disruption, etc. You may want to take this into account as you deal with him in the future. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 21:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :: Point taken, but I still agree with his position. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 21:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :::That's fine. Just letting you know where he's coming from. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 23:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC) I support Jguk's intention but am doubtful about his means of achieving it. For instance, suppose a user reverted a policy page that had been moved, after a vote, from "proposed" to "enforced" back to "proposed" without any warning at the staff lounge or elsewhere. Suppose I reverted this reversion of the "Enforced" status to "Proposed". Suppose the user reverted that reversion and I reverted that... How would "be nice" solve the resulting fracas? I support a minimum of rules, perhaps 3 major rules such as: # [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] # [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] # [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] These would contain most problems that could arise here when "being nice" has broken down. For instance the reversion problem above would be forestalled by [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] and would fall under [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] if a vote had not been taken. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC) : For your revert scenario, common sense prevails, an admin temporarily blocks the provoking user and instructs them to act civily or leave. The net effect is the same, I think. Having a policy doesn't really make people act more or less sensibly. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 15:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC) ::But which user is in the wrong? Would you back me if I reverted a change in the fashion described above? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Actually, I misread your scenario. If both people engaged in a revert war rather than discussing the change, they should both be temporarily blocked from editing the page and forced to discuss the matter. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC) ::::Firstly, what basis would you use to determine if a "revert war" was indeed taking place? One mans's revert war is another man's innocent correction. ::::Secondly your suggestion that they be "blocked from editing the page and forced to discuss the matter" is none other than the [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]]. ::::Your point also places admins at the top of the control hierarchy, like tribal leaders. But suppose an admin reverted the policy page without any warning and another admin reverted the text to its original form. Who should block the admins when there is no policy? If we go for 100% consensus one or other of the admins can just refuse to agree. At the minimum we would need [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]] to resolve the situation. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC) :::::#It becomes a revert war when the two people who are reverting do it to the same page multiple times. At that point they can't claim that it's just an "innocent correction" because they're actively engaging each other. :::::#I think [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] is common sense and if not then it's dictated by the idea of "acting civily" :::::#Admins ''are'' at the top of the control hierarchy. It's a fact of life. If they step out of line, though, then they're stripped of their powers. Admins can block other admins as they see fit. :::::#You're misunderstanding what consensus means. Consensus decision making is predicated upon several things; that all users are working towards the same mission (to build textbook-ish instructional materials), that all users are acting in good faith, and that all users will work towards compromises when disputes arise. If a user is not working towards our goal, not acting in good faith, or not attempting to find compromises, the community can and should ignore or ban them depending upon the severity. Consensus is about evaluating the positions of users on issues, not counting their votes. If only 1 person in a straw poll is saying no, but they provide no acceptable reason, they get ignored. If they are disruptive, engage in revert wars, employ sockpuppets, etc they get banned. If after all of this, you still have reasonable people acting in good faith who can't agree, then either (a) the issue is dropped since it doesn't have sufficient support (b) (if one group is very large) the motion is passed despite the complaints. In the case of (b) the opposition can learn to live with the decision or decide that due to the decision, WB is not the place for them, or a particular book/article isn't worth the effort for them; that's their decision, and that's okay. This isn't as "easy" as just strict voting, but you end up with more broadly acceptable policies. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 10:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC) (Reset indent) Kellen, there are some good points here. Perhaps I should let someone else contribute on the side of voting - '''is there anyone else out there interested in how Wikibooks operates''' ???!! I'll come back to this in a week or so - even though this is fascinating and very important I should also be adding to some books! [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC) I couldn't keep away. Kellen, is your point 4b basically a statement that you agree with some kind of vote? In the example above, suppose a vote had demonstrated consensus according to 4b, would you ban the dissenting user if they reverted the change from "enforced" back to "proposed"? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC) : Much of collaborative work is not so much about the changes as the context and social interactions. If the user appears to be acting in good faith in reverting the policy (say, maybe, if there is some serious harm that they claim will come from it) then no, it probably doesn't warrant a ban. If they are just being stubborn and refusing to accept the community's decision, and then they engage in a revert war, they are acting in bad faith and could be banned for being disruptive and not acting civily. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC) : And no, 4b does not mean I agree with some kind of vote. Here is an flowchart I made for consensus decision making. The reality on WB is a bit different (and a bit muddled) due to asynchronous communication. :[[Image:Consensus2.png]] :People who vote no on something on wikibooks are of two types; stand-asides and blocks. Those who learn to live with the decision, despite the fact that they don't totally agree are implict 'stand asides' in the consensus process. The decision hasn't made them question their fundamental commitment to working on the goal of WB. (Other types of stand asides would be people who abstain or people who just leave a comment) The people who block are those for whom the decision on the proposal is make-or-break. If the community decides to pass the proposal over their objections, they leave. We see this in contributors who just disappear and in contributors who flame out. :A block in a "real life" organization means you're much more serious about your objection to the point where you are willing to leave the organization if the proposal is passed. Since in these organizations you also have a much more highly developed social environment, this is quite extreme. It obviously doesn't work as well on WB/WP since we have a large and anonymous community with a very low barrier to entry. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC) ::Nice flowchart. Voting is introduced in organisations because it is realised that your flowchart is iterative. For example, if a blocker fails to stand aside the decision "shall we override the blocker?" becomes a new proposal, then the decision "shall we override the blocker of the decision to override the blocker" becomes a new proposal. This continues until there are no blockers. However, if blockers at the top level block every other level of the iteration then the only solution is for a '''gang''' to form that secretly mounts an attack on the blocker. ::The iterative process is probably a natural way of handling events in an organisation that has no constitution. It is the method used in tribes and gangs. The down-side is that each iteration takes months or years on Wikibooks and this places immense blocking power in the hands of individuals. This blocking may have nothing to do with the decision under consideration - for instance Zephram has voted "no" to several policy proposals in Wikibooks using the same text. ::Organisations short circuit the iteration by simply using a majority vote according to some constitution. This allows them to respond to events in a timely fashion. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 11:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :::It is a good flowchart. I disagree with what happens where a member still blocks after his concerns have all been addressed (albeit not to his satisfaction). At that time, we need to decide whether to override the blocker, and it is here that voting becomes useful. Informal voting can be useful to gauge feelings before this time, but the emphasis should be on looking to avoid a formal vote to override a blocker if at all possible, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Uh, that's not what it implies at all. Yes, there is a feedback loop, but it's not mechanical. If the person blocks, and the community decides to override their block, the community tries to come to consensus then and there. The blocker isn't able to affect that decision making process by blocking again. ::: I agree with you that voting is easier in general and makes it easier to essentially shout down people who disagree with the majority, but I don't think it's the best way to come up with broadly accepted and useful policies. Keep in mind that wikibooks is not a business and time ''is not'' of the essence. We don't have to meet quarterly deadlines or make profit margins, and we can take the time to discuss issues rather than counting votes out of convenience. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC) == Page Hits == Hey, is there anyway to find out how much traffic a certain wikipage is getting? Thanks in advance. [[User:Daniel.Stevens|Daniel.Stevens]] 07:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC) : Unfortunately, no. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :You might be interested in the discussion at [[http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Staff_lounge&oldid=436594 Hit counting]]. Apparently the Wiki hit counters cannot be used either in Wikimedia projects because the "Squibs" serve most pages. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :: The "squi''d''s" cache the pages so that they don't have to be regenerated from the database every time. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 18:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :::Ooops, I should claim that I suffer from dyslexia or maybe my subconscious felt that squids sounded a bit fishy. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC) :::: [http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-1.html#ss1.3 Well here's why it's called that]. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 10:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC) == [[Rip a karaoke cd]] on [[Wikibooks:Votes for undeletion]] == Please comment there, and not here. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 01:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC) == Bookshelf reorganization == Please see [[Wikibooks_talk:All_bookshelves#Reorganization]]. This is as important as deciding policies and is key to the future growth of Wikibooks. --[[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]] 00:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC) == Academics, Wikibooks, and Authorship == I am new to Wikibooks but one thing I am curious about: is there a strong incentive besides altruism to submit material? Since advanced textbooks are written almost exclusively by academics it seems like the open model for textbooks could be hampered by the incentive that drives academia: authorship. Most professors write books based on classes that they teach but even if your book gets wide distribution the publisher takes basically all of the profit. Academics are paid in recognition which does not seem to be exceptionally prevelant on wikibooks and probably limits the ultimate usefulness of the site. What are the general thoughts that people have here on incentive for academic submissions? It seems to me that altruism can only go so far but "primary authorship" or "textbook coordinator" status or something like it could significantly boost incentive to turn a lot of these stubs into high quality books.[[User:Mpickett|Mpickett]] 02:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC) : Besides altruism and it being fun, I don't think there is much of a strong incentive to submit material. That hasn't hampered WP from gaining submissions from highly educated people, though. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 09:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :Many of the books here have a list of principal contributors on the front page. For instance: [[Ada Programming#Authors and contributors]], [[Programming:Visual Basic Classic#Authors and Contributors]]. As long as it doesn't turn into blatant self promotion I don't think anyone here has a problem with works and authors being associated. In fact I think it is quite the opposite, reputation counts here, I want to know who the principal authors and maintainers of a book are. Does anyone have a friend or relative who has a real reputation in the real world who could be persuaded to donate some words? Could someone persuade Richard Dawkins or Donald Knuth to contribute? On second thoughts we'd better leave Knuth alone or he'll never get [http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html The Art of Computer Programming] finished and that would be a much greater loss. --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 09:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ==Implementing consensus on [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]]== I have just re-read the Talk page on [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]]. There really is a consensus on this policy. Those who have voted "No" (two qualifying users) have voted "No" because they disagree with the idea of a vote, or of policies in general, not because they oppose [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] so there is indeed consensus. I propose that [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] should be moved to enforced status. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :I think we're still at the stage of "synthesise concerns" per the above flowchart (which looks good to me). The discussion on my concerns has not really moved forward since 27 April. If you'd like to respond to them, then I would be happy to re-engage in the debate. In this regard, I note that others have said that they would only like one behaviour policy, a sentiment that I would agree with. The question then comes down to whether this is it - whether this one needs to be amended before it becomes policy - or whether a different approach entirely is sensible. I have drafted my own discussion draft of what I believe a good approach for a single behaviour policy would look like on [[Wikibooks:Be nice]]. Hopefully that can help us (directly or indirectly) proceed towards getting us a single final behaviour policy that we are all happy with, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ::As I pointed out above, the flow chart above would lead to iterations and the possibility of endless blockings by one user. According to the flowchart and discussion, a user who was dedicated to the well-being of the project would stand aside. ::The "No personal attacks" policy has only one real dissenter, yourself, and you are dissenting on grounds other than opposition to the specific policy. "Be nice" seems to be a carte-blanche for administrators to do as they wish. It does not define "nice". For instance, would it be "nice" for an administrator to archive a warning that a policy was about to be made enforced, then changing it unilaterally from enforced to proposed despite a large majority in favour of enforcement and then blocking it endlessly? Is that "nice"? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 17:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ::I have no objection to your production of a meta-policy that includes the other policies but until then we should have something in place. You and Zephram are blocking specific policies on the basis of objections either to multiple policies or any policies. These issues should be discussed separately from whether a specific policy should be adopted. The problem with the model of primitive consensus building in the flow chart is that it does not allow timely decision making, one user can derail all decisions endlessly unless the others gang up on them and override them. I hate gangs. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 18:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC) With respect, I disagree with you here. First, the flowchart suggests all concerns are discussed. It is only once all concerns have been discussed and there remains a blocking member that we need to decide whether to override that block or not. I note above that here, and only here, do I believe that a binding vote is necessary. At present, none of my concerns have been addressed at all. Maybe they can be, perhaps by improving the language of the proposed policy so that we are all happy with it. If that is not possible, then and only then do you need to decide to override me. Since none of us are arguing that personal attacks are acceptable, there is no reason to believe that it should come to this. This is not my view alone, another user has specifically requested that you address my concerns first before trying again to make this policy. I would also note that other users have expressed support only on the grounds that they would like a behaviour policy set out, and that the wording can be improved later. In terms of whether this is the right behaviour policy for us to have, it is not too different from my view that the current proposal has some flaws, and these should be ironed out before the policy goes live. Stepping back further, my [[Wikibooks:Be nice]] proposal is meant to be a principle-based policy. That is, it sets out the general principle to be applied. This may be where we differ as you seem to prefer a rules-based policy. That is, a policy that sets out precise rules that you either comply with or you don't. Full stop. Black and white. Personally I believe principle-based policies are more flexible and deal with controversial situations better. Plus they are less susceptible to wikilawyering (for instance, in a rules-based policy either you have followed the letter of the law or you haven't, and if you haven't the wikilawyer claims whatever you now do is unreasonable, even though you followed the spirit of the law). The rules-based policy allows for technical offences, and may create loopholes for the abusive editor to exploit. A principle-based policy is not so precise, but generally allows for greater flexibility and for shorter policy (you do not have to list everything that is to be banned). It also can be as strong as a rules-based policy. For example, would you not agree that swearing, excessive and persistent reverting and making legal threats would unambiguously be considered contrary to a general "be nice" principle-based policy, even when "nice" is not defined? [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 18:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :You say that "all concerns" should be discussed but the concern you are raising is the general issue of whether or not policies of the current type should be enforced. Your concern is not directed at the specific policy. :Your "be nice" proposal needs renaming because it sounds sickly. Apart from that it is an approach that will need a lot of discussion and has little chance of being adopted for months or even years. Please allow specific policies to be adopted and then start a debate about "be nice" - or "Wikibooks standards of behaviour" or whatever it becomes called. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ::If you have a phrase that is pretty much synonymous with "be nice", but which is less vomit-inducing, I'd be grateful for your help. I still haven't thought of a good way of putting it, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 16:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC) ==Implementing consensus on [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]== [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]] has had a [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Policy/Vote/Deletion_Policy Vote] that shows complete consensus. I propose that this is moved to an enforced policy. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :This is merely one of the ways that you need to '''be bold''' and simply do it. Mark it as enforced, and if it is questioned, you can point to the vote for confirmation that some significant concensus has gone into the proposed policy. If half this effort went into the policies on gaming guide removal or the "textbook" definition that seems to taken hold by the deletionists here on Wikibooks, I would have been considerably more supportive of their actions. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 11:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ==Rejection of [[Wikibooks:Ad hoc administration committee]]== The number of votes against [[Wikibooks:Ad hoc administration committee]] is such that it will never become an enforced policy. I am demoting it to "rejected" (even though I proposed it). [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC) ==Rejection of [[Wikibooks:No legal threats]]== Again, too many votes against for a consensus to ever be achieved for [[Wikibooks:No legal threats]]. This will reduce the number of proposed policies to 5 if the status of the policies mentioned is changed. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC) :Fair enough - but anyone reading this comment without looking at the background to this rejection should bear in mind that none of the objections was saying that we in any way condone the making of legal threats. We don't, and it won't be long before a user is blocked if that user persists in making such threats, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC) ==[[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Proposed reform]]== I have a detailed page setting out a number of discussion drafts that, if adopted, would constitute a significant simplification of Wikibooks' policies. All constructive comments would be welcome, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 18:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC) :Lets clear up the policies that exist before embarking upon a year long reform of policies. You, and another user, have been blocking the enforcement of policies on the basis of the possibility of this reform. You want this reform and the other user wants no policies whatsoever. '''This reform is no reason for blocking the enforcement of specific policies, it is unrelated to the policies themselves and can be run as a separate issue. Please allow specific policies to be moved to enforced'''. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :: The sky is not falling. Most of the policies ("general voting rules" excluded) are accepted broadly as common sense and enforced whether or not the module says so. There is no need to railroad policies just to change the color of the little box at the top of each page. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 08:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC) :::Enforced policies represent the view of the community. Proposed policies represent the view of the proposer. There is a difference. Without clear policies we are operating withing a primitive parallel of a gang land or school playground where anyone who can muster up a couple of supporters can bully the community. Wikibooks is a serious venture that deserves better than this. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Kellen's right. We already have policies covering the areas you are interested in - they just aren't in a formal written form at present. It may well be desirable to formalise some of the unwritten parts of our constitution (particularly as it allows new contributors to quickly find out what behaviour is generally accepted and not accepted in this community), but there's no need to hurry - we can take time to get things right. For example, at present you are actively working towards writing a "no personal attacks" policy. Let me be clear on this - if someone makes persistent personal attacks on Wikibooks and refuses to desist I and/or other administrators will have no difficulty in chucking them off the site until and unless they agree to abide by the rules. This will happen whether there is a written policy on the point or not. Yes, it might be a good idea to spell this out somewhere, but even if it is not spelt out, if necessary (and I hope it never is), that course of action would be taken, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 16:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC) :The objective of policies that have been approved by the community is to show both users AND administrators the boundaries. Administrators should welcome clear descriptions of what is expected on Wikibooks and enforced policies provide these descriptions. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 08:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC) == Gaming manual as a textbook == I'm throwing down the gauntlet here on this issue again. I am sick an tired of a bunch of content being removed simply because it is of a particular theme. In particular, the removal of the gaming guides was IMHO totally out of line, but in this case I would like to prove both Jimbo and the rest of the anti-gaming guide people that they are not only wrong, but flat out wrong about the removal of content simply because of the topic, not because of the content. I'm willing to consider a number of options, but what I'd like to do is write a real honest-to-goodness textbook that would be of the quality that it could be used for a university class, but that the ''topic'' of the textbook is a video game. Specifically I'd like to do [[Doom]] if for no reason other than Jimbo has specifically marked it for deletion and claimed that it could never be made into a textbook. I'd love to prove him wrong on this point in particular. :You can easily prove me wrong. Show me a University course where the objective is to learn to play Doom, and where the students work from a textbook. If not, then what is the point?--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 21:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::My former employer, Columbia College Chicago, has a new game design major. While no course on Doom per se is taught, part of the new curriculum is a course on game engines and writing and designing virtual gaming environments. It seems like it wouldn't be much of a stretch to use a textbook that is survey of say the original M&M, Doom, and WoW to describe the art and design of these virtual environments. As long as the rigor exists in the treatise, it could very well be used at the course. Of course, one could include historicity and the nature of actually WRITING a game guide as a chapter. Plus, I can't imagine Columbia College is the only higher ed that has a curriculum in this topic .02USD [[User:jtvisona|jtvisona]] 05/28/06 :::I believe what you are saying is that textbooks suitable for students can be written about games. I would agree with that. Indeed, going by Jimbo's amendment to What is Wikibooks [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks&diff=prev&oldid=434945], so would he. What we are doing, however, is to systematically remove game walkthroughs (ie books about games which clearly do not fall within the definition of "textbook"), preferably after having found a new home for them elsewhere on the web, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC) This is not intended to be a video game walkthrough (which should have been the point of the debate well before the removal of the gaming guides), but rather an in depth scholarly review of this game, and to point out the historical significance that this game has within the computer gaming industry. The historical roots of this game, including Castle Wolfenstein, Commander Keen, and other earlier ID software games, as well as other computer games would be included in this book as well. How Doom has affected the development of other first-person shoot 'em up games would also be a significant point in this book as well. All other Wikibooks and in general Wikimedia policies should be followed when developing this textbook, which the end goal is to reach a standard that if this is deleted, that wikibooks itself should be simply shut down as a failed project. I don't know if there are any video game textbook supporters left on Wikibooks, but if there is anybody interested in taking on this project, please let me know. I think a real textbook can be written on this topic. Others may disagree, but this is also to see if there is any room left on Wikibooks to even permit the writing of such a real textbook. My opinion is that just because of the subject matter that it shouldn't be deleted out of hand. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 12:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :Video games are going to be an extremely disturbing phenomenon in the next decade or two as they become enmeshed with real life. When online cash can be withdrawn from ATMs as real cash we are talking about something serious occurring. Wikibooks may well be the "cutting edge" publishing medium that gets out of video games just as they start to take over the world. :I do not play these games myself but it is obvious that they are the test bench for the future virtual reality working and trading worlds. There are currently 6 million on-line gamers involved in games that have real world cash interfaces and this type of cash represents over $800,000,000 dollars of real world money (See current edition of New Scientist). :Don't get me wrong, I really hate the idea of people going to work by sticking on a VR goggle-set but sadly it looks like the future. It is probably already a reasonable business idea to set up as a shop-keeper or interior designer in an on-line game. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 13:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :: But not all games deal with internet cash. In fact, most of the games that deal with internet cash are strictly casino games like Texas Hold' Em or BlackJack, except online. Thats like using Porn movies to say that the movie industry is poor, and Hentai and Porn Books to say that the book industry is also unsuitable for textbook materials. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :::What I was saying is that games that involve cash but which are not casino games or pure porn are a new development that is likely to take off in a big way - see [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_18/b3982001.htm Business week story]. These games are a test bed for VR commerce and a VR economy. We should not ditch games just when games are about to "happen". [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 19:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :::: Lol. I misread your post :-/ Agreed. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC) :Don't worry Robert, I'm still here [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstable&diff=prev&oldid=459291 kicking] for Video Games on Wikibooks. My first question is what stance should we take on Doom? The real obvious one is to take the [http://www.doomworld.com/ports/linux_unix.shtml Doom Source code] and then do an analysis from there. The primary advantage is that yes, this fits the classical definition of textbook, but it probably wouldn't save the video game bookshelf. :Another perspective I see we can do is to see Doom as an art of itself. Using Game Design textbooks like ''Chris Crawford on Game Design'', we could use his vocabulary of what a game is, and then analyse the game akin to a book or movie. Perhaps the level design and how mazes are as they are in Doom, the pros and the cons. Etc. Etc. From this perspective, it would be like the [[Muggles'_Guide_to_Harry_Potter]] but for doom instead. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ::Robert, as long as it's not just a walkthrough, I'd be fine with it. I have been a big supporter of the Textbook Rule, but if the topic of a ''textbook'' is a video game, I'd be more than willing to help. Let's get cracking. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 14:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Personally, I'd have no problem at all with a textbook on Doom along the lines that Robert suggests. Wikibooks is for textbooks. I believe we all agree that books similar to those used in existing classes in a number of learning institutions are within our scope. Additionally, I believe we all think that Wikibooks' scope is wider than that - although we do disagree on how much wider it is than that and how to define accurately what we mean by a textbook that can't be used for a current class in a learning instition. To my mind a lot of what a textbook is is in the aim and style and the use to which a textbook can be put. It would be foolish to say that there can be a textbook on every conceivable topic, yet at the same time it is possible to write interesting and informative textbooks that do not correspond to classes in schools, universities or adult education centres. Robert's proposed book on Doom, for me, appears to meet the right criteria. I would stress though that our current book on Doom does not. I would, however, ask Robert, for his own sake, to think whether he really wishes to pursue his idea - as I'm sure we are all aware, writing a book takes up a surprisingly large amount of time. However, if Robert will put in this effort in essence just to prove a point (and at the risk of Jimbo ordering the book off Wikibooks anyway) then I will not in any way seek to hinder him, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 16:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC) I'm sorry, but I'm not following your logic, Robert. How is a "scholarly review" a game manual? The book [[Doom]] ''can't'' be turned into a textbook without rewriting all of the content, which is what you intend to do. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jimbo has never said that a textbook can't be written on this topic. In his [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks&diff=434945&oldid=419429 WB:WIW revision], he said quite the opposite. I think what you have to ask yourself is whether a book would be usable in a classroom on any aspect of game design, like an annotated text would be in a literature classroom. I also don't know what to popularity of video games has to do with this. There are even [http://digipen.edu colleges devoted to video game design], but not one has a "How to finish Doom" or "Doom Manual" class. --[[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]] 16:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC) :So make it a rewrite... even if it has to be from scratch. [[Monopoly]] had this happen and has become a much better book as a result. The opinion of Jimbo was that Doom could never be used as a textbook because of the subject matter. Yes, he did say a textbook could never be written about this topic. This was mentioned specifically as an example. My proposal here is to rewrite, perhaps even from a clean sweep of the current [[Doom]] Wikibook being thrown out, to turn this into a textbook that could be usable in a classroom. Major sections would include game play, economy (weapons and ammo), algorithms, and historical impact of the game both in terms of roots and what games have been developed from this one game. :Based on what I am percieving from the people trying to remove video games, they are trying to delete content because of subject matter alone, and not content. The discussion has become so heated that the issue of wheither any university-level courses were taught on the subject, with incredulity occuring when some actual courses were pointed out. :In addition to all of this discussion, until Jimbo came in here and really pushed for textbooks, Wikibooks was about '''books''', not textbooks. Essentially, this was for content that would normally be considered acceptable on Wikipedia, but for its length and the need to break it up into multiple sections. Some additional flexability was granted for Wikibooks to do non-encyclopedia type works. I will admit that the first Wikibook is the [[Organic Chemistry]], and that was a textbook. Other content is on Wikibooks however, including content added by WMF board members that is clearly not a textbook in nature. :I have been approached now by two different people who are openly trying to encourage me to fork Wikibooks with actual server space to do so. I think this is an unfortunate situation, and I would rather that forking doesn't occur. I still havn't decided if my effort is going to be used to work on those forks and abandoning this project altogether or if there is something worth saving here. I do believe that far too much content has been removed from Wikibooks, especially when much of that content was added on good faith that it belonged here.... even surviving VfDs earlier. While there was and is still cruft on Wikibooks, taking out two major bookshelves (Video Games and How-tos) is not a way to win friends and grow this project. Especially when there is no place to move it within the context of Wikimedia projects. Had this been done with Wikiversity (I guess they are next with the axe now) another fairly significant community would have been destroyed as well, with some potentially outstanding ideas lost permanently. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 19:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC) ::Wouldn't you agree that the content you will be using to create a Doom book would work better as part of larger textbooks, such as as examples? In my opinion, yes, it would be a textbook teaching concepts taught in classrooms, but just not a very good one. I don't think it occurred to Jimbo that someone would bother teaching game design using only Doom, as better examples exist. ::Has any attempt been made to ask the board or Jimbo himself whether he has the right to dicate policy? I would like to hear someone outside of Wikibooks say that this community has the right to decide upon Wikibooks' scope. If that happens, an active discussion should ensue and I'll give my opinion on the matter. --[[User:Hagindaz|haginძaz]] 20:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC) ::: Well said Robert. As for critical study of Doom; I cannot think of a more revolutionary game than Doom. In fact, the word "Doom Clone" described First Person Shooter genre for *years* after Doom was released. It would be great as a case study. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 03:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC) I cannot speak for the others, but my input in this matter has always been from the perspective of a gamer. I originally came to Wikibooks because of the ''[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]]'' guide, where a large portion of my contributions were and likely still are. And once it was suggested that they be moved I was fine with that, as to me it makes sense to move to a more focussed, gamer-friendly wiki. Indeed I've talked to many outside of the wiki environment who were ''surprised'' that a site called "Wikibooks" had videogame strategy at all! I bear gaming topics no ill will. If someone starts "A Tempest in a Coffee Pot? Jack Thompson Vs. the Gaming World" I'll be right in there expanding it and linking to interviews and the like. But if someone starts "The Definitive ''Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories'' Solutions Manual" I'll take it to Vfd soon after. Serious Wikibooks can and will one day be written regarding videogames, but the current game guides simply don't fit that category. And is moving them off Wikibooks all that dissimilar from your [[w:tabula rasa|tabula rasa]] propsal? [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC) : Again and again, this argument comes up. And again and again, people fail to come up with a good reason for why Video Games should be removed. Unless I'm missing something here, but I don't see any good reason for video game guides to go away, aside from stir up trouble in the community. : My strongest protest to this move is that it of all things, slaps long time editors in the face, and kicks them out of the wikibooks community. Whether or not this is for the "better" of wikibooks, we will have to live with the fact that we got a bunch of now former editors of wikibooks, who are very disgruntled. : As Robert said, this move has made some people to go as far as make forks of Wikibooks. Isn't this a tiny little tipoff that just maybe something is off here? 2 people asking for forks means there are a *whole* lot more than just 2 people pissed. The only reason there is to this nonsense is that "Jimbo Says". If it isn't obvious to anyone yet, Jimbo seems to be more busy at Wikipedia than [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jimbo_Wales here], to put it mildly. As I've said before, there have been [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_adminship/Archive#Artur_Nowak_.28_talk_.7C_email_.7C_contribs_.29|admin requests]] that were denyed for having fewer than 270 edits, and having 6 month breaks. As much as I don't wanna downplay Jimbo here... I just wanna point out that "Jimbo Says" is not a good enough reason for all this. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 06:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ::I'm wasn't making any point, merely refreshing what I've said in previous debates before jumping into this one in an attempt to avoid any further confusion in an already complex debate. Bah. ::I'm not one to go too much against the flow of what the Foundation says, which is why I've largely accepted what Jimbo said. In the end the Foundation owns the servers, however we collectively have supplied both funding and content, thus making users by and large feel that we have some say in how we run things. Jimbo has always encouraged us to make our own policy decisions, however he has stepped in occasionally when those decisions didn't go the way he felt the Foundation stood (e.g. Getting a Girl and other such modules). ::But recently he's become more and more vocal, and less and less present to clarify his rationale. The videogame policy change is the climax; even to those supporting the move it's a stunning change of events. Is this the Foundation speaking, or is it only Jimbo? And to what extent do the Foundation board members back Jimbo's statements as being [[w:ex cathedra|ex cathedra]], so to speak? And, also, to what extent do we the community (who are arguably responsible for Wikibooks' content and in turn its success) get a say in matters? ::I'm all for continuing a happy medium, but things are getting out of hand. This is why I have put my transwikiing efforts on hold. I need to know where we stand. If we're to allow game guides, sure, I can use the log to undelete what I've moved and everybody will live happily ever after. If we're not, fine, I can continue work. But I really feel it's time we heard from the board itself, and not just Jimbo. I want to see closure to this issue. I really don't care which decision is reached, as long as it's both official and final. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 07:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ::: I put a note on Jimbo's WP page. :::Also, just to be clear, I am not asking people to fork WikiBooks content [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page to my wiki]. My wiki in the public domain, and so is not a suitable place to move the content to unless you are the copyright holder. Except for the Pokédex, which as a collection of facts is not covered by the GFDL, I have just finished [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges copying them '''all''']. All I did was to let[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] (who supported my admin request for simple.wikibooks before) that there ''are'' other options. The choices as I see them are to help out one (or more) of these other wiki's, or to use your energy to try and fight Jimbo with no guarantee of success and little to no progress on these books while doing so. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC) Why don't we just all petition the Wikimedia Foundation for an entirely brand new domain where video game guides and other how-to books could reside (Wikigames or Wikiguides, or some other creative name), leaving Wikibooks for just textbooks (and perhaps while we're at it move Wikiversity too?). Or keep ''them'' here and form a Wikitext for only textbooks. We already have a lot of content that could populate both, and it would all be contained under the Wikimedia umbrella. Anyone wanna take this to meta with me? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 01:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :I'll help out with that. I have the same user-name at Meta, so send me a message there, and I will help petition. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 01:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC) : The only thing I see that is an issue, is why split a community already so small and fragmented? We aren't even at the "critical point". So much work is needed to start up a new book; editors rarely search outside their pet projects. Newcommers are fustrated as they stumble upon stubs and stubs. The newbies who do find a project they are willing to work for quickly find their contents deleted, sometimes with no explanation, or any clue to where it has gone. : Frankly speaking; I think a forking of wikibooks in any way would cause this project to crumble, unless it is a "fresh start" and everyone is actually willing to "do it right" this time (if you know what I mean). : And after the fiasco with wikiversity, I'm not... encouraged... to take anything to meta anymore. Though if enough people join the cause, I may change my mind :-/. How many months have those wikiversity people been trying? : In closing, I'd like to ask; why not change the Wikibooks policy to include video games, howtos, guides, and other instructional resources? A new domain name would be a difficult goal to aim for, and it seems that changing policy to include what already is on Wikibooks is a *much* easier idea than: :# Petitioning for a new Domain Name :# Winning that petition :# Writing a proposal to Wikimedia board :# Correcting that proposal over a period of several months :# Transwiki everything over :# Restart policy from scratch : Chaning the policy only involves telling Jimbo Wales and/or the board that we've changed our mission to what we actually do.--[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 01:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC) ::We only need a new domain if we want video games guides at a WikiMedia project. Why is this so important? There are already plenty of places willing to accept this content: ::*http://strategywiki.net/wiki/Main_Page For video game guides, uses the GFDL. ::*http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page My own site, Public Domain, but will accept basically anything Wikipedia does. It’s new, so it’s a fresh start. ::*WikiCities I don't know the URL, but I'm sure they have a wiki which will take all this content. ::**That would be [[wikia:c:gameinfo:Main Page|Gameinfo]]. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ::If Jimbo doesn't want this content, let's take it elsewhere! [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 02:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :::But if we can, why not ''try'' and keep this under the Wikimedia umbrella? I know forming a new domain under WM can be tough, but I think if enough users still want to work on them, we should at least try to find a WM place for them. If the proposal is rejected, ''then'' go to outside sources. My opinion. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 03:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Hm. As interesting as the idea of a separate project is it would have some growing problems. Most importantly Wikibooks has been the videogaming recipient for several years now; no matter how loudly any policy changes are stated on Wikipedia there will still be content dumped here due to habit. And so a good portion of transwikiing work will be spent moving such stuff off Wikibooks and into "Wikiguides", and then the userbase there will in turn have to move it around within their own system or else just plain delete it. If the Foundation ''are'' going to keep videogame guides in the family why not just leave them here? And as for the likelihood of the Foundation accepting the proposal, I really can't say how videogame content on its own, even if bolstered by non-gaming howtos, can fit the Foundation's "educational mission". [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :The problem is Jimbo was very clear about this, normally he just [http://wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Jimbo_Wales#I_wonder...] likes to wonder], but on this issue he was black and white. Video game guides '''do not''' belong here. Period. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 13:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :: As much as wikitruth has some valid points... I wouldn't go as far as to say I believe it 100%. Opinions on people are wide spread, and I'd rather not judge Jimbo on something other sites say about him. But anyway; please, explain why Video game guides don't belong here, and second, why we can't change policy to include them. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 12:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :: Rob, FYI, the '''game''' [[w:Final Fantasy X]] was the subject of a quite thorough post-grad Phylosophy thesis recently. You should read the Abstract and Introduction, the thesis author mentions a lot of reasons why games can be considered the Shakespeare of our times. It is a pity games are being evicted from here. Thank heavens we found a home for the Final Fantasy stuff! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 07:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC) **[http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0PJiLhZ1RVkJ:www.upnaway.com.au/~waldemar/Research/PhD%2520(Submitted%2520to%2520Library).doc+final+fantasy+Anima+Jung+Seymour&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3 ''Meaning and Emotion in Squaresoft’s Final Fantasy X''] — Graduation thesis by Glen R. Spoors, Edith Cowan University - Australia :Dragontamer, if you want to know why Video game guides don't belong here? Because Jimbo says so! Why can't we change policy to include them? Because Jimbo wants them gone. I have a list of books I was going to keep an eye on my user page, a quick look and you can see I was a supporter of video game books. I started some of them myself. IMO it just isn't worth fighting for them here when other wiki's will welcome them with open arms! [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 19:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :You could also read this post I made [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3APrimate&diff=2757&oldid=2751] [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 19:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ===Page break for editing purposes=== :: So then we convince Jimbo/Wikimedia board to say it is better for guides to stay here. Lord Voldemort wants to create a new wiki for it. You want to create a new wiki for it. I want them to stay; or to move them to a new wiki for it. Renmiri thinks they deserve to stay. All in all; I see so much support for this stuff, not only from typical editors, but from at least 2 Wikibooks admins. If Jimbo really doesn't want them '''here''', well then, he'll have to live with his decision of (IMO) killing off the wikibooks project. Too many contributors are leaving because of this decision (video game contributors or not), and maybe we all can reverse this decision. And the advantage is now on our side to say why things belong. Damage is already being done to the Wikibooks reputation because of this decision, and instead of me hypothesising about it, I can actually point it out. Your fork is a near perfect example. The activity levels of admins is another one; it may be too soon for me to point this out, but coincidence or not; [[Special:Contributions/Robert_Horning]] and [[Special:Contributions/Kernigh]] activity level dropped a *lot* right after his little announcement (from 10+ contributions a day to 2+ days a contribution). I'm sure they're still here, reading, waiting to see what will happen soon on wikibooks before offering their time and energy on this project again. I know other people have gone "missing", but I can't name them off the top of my head. :: It is much easier to keep things here than to make a new wiki; on wikimedia or not. Though, if Jimbo says goodbye one more time, I guess we'll have no choice but to leave. But we aren't losing any "time" here on this issue, and I argue that there is no "wasted effort". Making a wiki is too large an undertaking for me to just say "Alright, I'm leaving". We got policy to make, and early policy to make as well. We'll have to come up and lay down the lines precisely, with no "gray" areas. The community will have to grow, we'll have to fight vandals, set up a hierarchy, etc. etc. :: Thats all done here in Wikibooks now. The only thing to do is convince people (more or less, Jimbo) that we want this kind of content somewhere, and that Wikibooks is better off overall if we stay. :: I suggest to Lord Voldemort: instead of that proposal for a new wiki; why not propose we change policy to stay here? I'm willing to support that 100%. :: Crazy Idea, i know, but thats why I'm here :-p To offer crazy ideas.--[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::I wouldn't say, "Hey let's create a whole new wiki" if that wasn't where Jimbo/Board were leading us (and always have been, for that matter). The Wikimedia Foundation has '''in its bylaws''', that WB is "a collection of e-book resources aimed specifically toward students (such as textbooks and annotated public domain books) named Wikibooks".[http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws] So somehow I don't think changing our Wikibooks policy is good enough. I simply see everything (Jimbo's statements, the bylaws, the educational goal, etc.) and think it's obvious that game-guides are not to be included. That's why I suggested an alternate domain. I just don't know anymore. Instead of asking, "What's so wrong about having video game guides here", ask yourself "How great would it be if there was a website dedicated to the distribution of free textbooks to every person in the world?" --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 20:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::: I don't see where video game guides conflicts with that at all. Maybe I'm oblivious, but from what I'm seeing (that is, major users who have stopped contributing, people moving out of Wikibooks and into forks, other pissed off users who probably aren't going to come back), removal of these guides has essentially killed that goal, or at least caused a '''major''' setback to Wikibooks in general. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::If you are going to try to fight for them to stay at Wikibooks, then go ahead and good luck with it! Just don't expect me to help, I'm too busy ''writing'' these guides, and [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cascading_Style_Sheets my CSS] guide also is coming on nicely also IMO :)! I 100% ''won’t'' be coming back to Wikibooks either way. I have invested too much time & money into by wiki to abandon it now. I mean the [http://www.gmcfoley.com/wiki/index.php?title=WikiKnowledge:Payments $10 offer for 200 words] will cost me $200 alone, which comes out of my own pocket! Plus there’s hosting costs, back-ups, getting advertising, trying to get a new host so I can fix the ugly url's etc.. No, I'm gone for good. The only thing I'll be doing is helping to move anything which is free of copyright over to my wiki (such as the 24 hours I spent copying the Pokédex). Yes, this decision will probably only help kill Wikibooks, but perhaps the damage has already been done? [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 20:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::: I understand 100%. Good luck on your wiki project! No hard feelings from me (you deserve none at all) --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ::::If wikibooks were my project, I would have set it up differently, but at the same time there is a certain amount of value in having an open-textbook resource aimed directly at students. I don't think that this will kill wikibooks, but it will slow us down a little bit. Good luck on your projects, and I know that we here at wikibooks are going to need alot of luck as well. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::::Well, Renmiri - me - is just a n00b at Wikibooks and pretty new at Wikipedia too, so my lamenting that game guides are being evicted doesn't have the benefit of all the knowledge of WikiMedia history, bylaws, etc... But precisely because I am a newbie is that I wanted to give you my perspective: Game guides are, IMHO, where the Wikibook administrators of 2015 will cut their teeth in. From what I have seen in game sites and in Wikipedia / Wikibooks, this is where 13-16 year old - or even younger - will start thinking about cooperation and content management. I'm willing to bet that the first textbook a high school kid reads voluntarily will be a game walktrough. Even for the older newbies like me and others, the game guides provide a less stresful way to get into Wikimedia editing. A Wikipedia page about heart surgery, ancient history or all the others I have browsed those past few years looked pretty intimidating. Yet a page about a game made me confortable enough to click on that ''scary'' edit tab and I fixed a couple of things. Three months later me and other n00bs had injected so much life into that particular game series of pages that 10 pages were cited as Good Article and one got confirmed as Featured Article. And our newly found boldness for editing started spreading around to other topics and to Wikibooks. In my view, it may be necessary to evict game guides for the many reasons cited above, but Wikibooks is losing an excellent opportunty for training and nurturing new book editors and book readers. Get them while they are young, and on a hobby like games and those readers and editors might be yours forever ;-) [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 01:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :::::: I come exactly from your background Renmiri. My first major edits were on [[Maple Story]], a video game. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 01:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :::::: My first wiki-edits were on the Chrono-Trigger artical at wikipedia. I strongly believe that there should be a place for game manuals for precisely the reasons that have been mentioned. I even voted back in the day to keep the game manuals here. However, it seems that the focus of wikibooks has changed (or at least re-focused on it's original goals), and I don't think that there is a big reason to fight that. Wikibooks will be hurt the most by a lack of focus. If we want to put everything and anything here, we should just rename it "wikieverything". Unfortunately, the line has been drawn at game guides. But look at what we have now: dedicated editors who are going to take their game guides to a new, more appropriate venue, and a highly-focused instructional resource in wikibooks. Our situation is certainly bittersweet, but if it has to happen, we might as well see the silver lining. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ::::::: Wikibooks has always accepted manuals, howtos, gameguides, and so forth. We knew where the line was drawn, and we know exactly why Wikibooks isn't a "Wikieverything". Even before the Jokebook incident, we were already pushing Wikiversity to leave, deleting other non"wikibook" material, and everyone knew exactly why it didn't fit policy. The line was '''already''' drawn, and now it is redrawn again. Now, even very instructional material like [[Wikibooks:Votes_for_undeletion#FAQ_for_alt.internet.wireless]] and arguably textbooks like that *very* informative MJ book are at risk. ::::::: And with a line drawn somewhere inbetween Chess and Video Games... I see nothing but confusion ahead for wikibooks if it continues down this path. No metric, aside from "Jimbo Says" decides the line between Chess and Video Games. And I doubt there would be any defined line between them. ::::::: And without defined lines; there will be no justification for really any action at wikibooks. Policy right now is shot; the "Accredited institution" metric is probably the only one that is being used at any rate, and even then, that metric is shot. The only thing left here is for us to argue opinion vs opinion; with no solid policy to say why something could survive a VfD now. ::::::: That is what is causing the fustration right now. And with the line now drawn at such a blurry place (Chess/Go vs other games), I dunno what to say. What about Omok/Gomoku? 6 in a row? Connect 4? There is no policy to say what lies exactly inbetween the lines here. ::::::: The problem is far deeper than just Video Games on wikibooks. But I feel allowing Video Games on Wikibooks will cure nearly all of this policy debate up. Unless you have a policy that cleanly cuts Video Games away from [[Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion#Puzzles|Puzzles]] and [[Chess]], or include them all (or none), Wikibooks will stagnate. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 02:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ==Game guides on Wikibooks== Given the harmless nature of such guides are you sure that they should be banned from Wikibooks? They are contained in their own section, the distinction between games such as Doom and Chess is debatable and, in the last couple of years it has become possible to actually trade inside games see Business week story. The users at Wikibooks are definitely uneasy about the ban. My userid is RobinH at Wikibooks. :Drawing the line seems very easy to me. There is a simple question: can you point to a course at an accredited institution which uses this sort of thing as a textbook? I think there are college courses on chess. I think there are not college courses on Doom. Simple. Some people may not like that Wikibookians do not want Wikibooks to be a dumping ground for whatever doesn't fit in Wikipedia. But we have a charitable mission, and we need to respect that. --Jimbo Wales 21:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" :: The issue I see is then [[Wiki Science]] as far as I know, isn't taught at universities. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 11:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC) == Idea for policy == Biographies have been a major isue over at Wikipedia, especially biographies of current people. The idea of a biography on a wiki is usually appauling to most people. And while wikitruth may not be true on this issue, it does list some pretty poor possibilities when it comes to biographies. Essentially; if someone disagree's with their biography, they simply can't just edit it; else the vandal patrol will catch the major revision they probably made and revert it. And then it becomes pretty difficult for someone to prove that they are that person, and etc. etc. My idea for a solution is simple. No biographies on Wikibooks. To my knowledge, there are no biographies on wikibooks right now, so we aren't cutting anything, and more importantly, any'''one''' out. By initiating this policy now, we can catch the problem early, before it becomes a problem here on Wikibooks, as it is in Wikipedia. (indeed, all the major press problems on Wikipedia deals with Biographies). --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 06:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :As we host textbooks, not biographical books, the issue is not a great one on Wikibooks. We do, though, have some (very brief) biographies of key figures that feature in the development of the science or humanity in question. For instance, [[General Biology]] has [[General Biology/Gallery of Biologists]], which mostly links to wikipedia, although [[General Biology/Gallery of Biologists/Charles Darwin]] is hosted on Wikibooks. I don't see any problem at all in this, as I expect the number of biographies we host to stay low. One thing we could do to head any potential problems off at the pass is to have a separate category into which to place the few biographies we have so that they can be closely monitored, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :: Thats the issue. Closely monitored means that the person who the biography is about may have a very difficult time editing his own page, especially if he is a newbie to wikibooks (as is the issue in Wikipedia. How the heck is a newbie supposed to know any policy?). Loosely monitored == vandals on all biographies. It is a lose-lose situation I see here. Finally; a biography on a key figure in history would technically fall under textbook. Martin Luther King for example is a unit alone in some history books. I don't see how an indepth biography on say, Saddam wouldn't be a textbook at all. Useable in a (modern) history class so on, so forth. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 07:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :::I don't agree with that. Wikibooks doesn't have the bloat and the red-tape that wikipedia has. We don't have many people here who are prepared to revert a gigantic revision like the kind that you are talking about. General policy here is an "ask first shoot later" kind of mentality. We are more likely to post a {{tl|cleanup}} notice or a {{tl|warning}} note on questionable content, and wait for a reply. I think that Biographies could be considerably useful, although we would probably do well to stay away from current-event people, and stick instead to historical figures who are already dead, and whose lives are set in stone. I would probably vote to allow biographies here, given the opportunity. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC) :::: I guess as long as current-event people are stayed away from, we should be good. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 05:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC) == abilties of "mediawiki" == hello, im from the hebrew wikibooks. i would like to know if you know any way to show all pages under specific page.<br /> for ex. if there are the pages: *abc *abc/1 *abc/2 is there a way to show on the page: "abc" list that will include: "abc/1" and "abc/2"? thanks :Click on "Special pages" on the toolbox, and then "Prefix index". Type in "abc". The English wikibooks version is [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex here]. The Hebrew wikibooks version is [http://he.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93:Prefixindex here], [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 08:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC) ::you misunderstood me, i want to put in every book the same template that automaticly will show all the pages under the page she is included in, is there any way to do it? ::: There is not a way to do this, to my knowledge. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 22:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC) *Wow! I have been looking for a page like that for ages but it didn't come in my standard 1.5 MediaWiki installation package. Is that an extention available as open source code ? I'd like to get it for my Fan Fiction Wiki [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 07:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ** There is ''not'' a way to do this so far as I know. You should write the extension maybe =) [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 11:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC) *** I did write one extension already :) [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_by_Renmiri] But in this case I was just referring to the one Jguk mentioned above: Special:Prefixindex. It is not on the MediaWiki 1.5 or 1.6 distribution, so I wonder if it is something you guys did or something I could get at Wikimedia. BTW, I have installed the [http://it.extension.org/wiki/WikiSpeller Spell Checking extension] on my Wiki and it works great! Wouldn't that be neat to have it here too ? [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 14:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC) **** Hrm, I thought it was a part of the core MW distribution. Have you tried the latest beta versions? We usually get things as they happen. Alternatively, you could ask about it in #mediawiki on irc.freenode.net [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 15:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC) **** I looked at your site, and it looks like you have the prefixindex available to you: [http://it.extension.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex here]. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 15:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ***** Oh that is the site for the Spell Checking extension, not [http://blogger-bee.com/index.php/Main_Page my site]. But thanks for the tips, I will look into it. I'm positive it didn't came with 1.5 but I have not installed 1.6 so it may be there. Thanks !!! [[User:Renmiri|Renmiri]] 15:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Try to transclude the Specialprefix page: <nowiki>{{Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}/}}</nowiki> We use this trick in the Spanish Wikibooks, so it should work here. --[[User:ManuelGR|ManuelGR]] 19:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC) : Woah, that's pretty good. Nice hack! [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC) == Creating Text book Modules for Wikibooks with Google Notebook == Creating Text book Modules for Wikibooks with Google Notebook I've put together some short instructions for banging together module content with references on the web by using Google Noteboook... I think it could be leveraged into quite a publishing tool if used correctly. * install notebook * right click add note * print document * copy and paste into page * text clean up (time consuming as Garrett Points out) === benefits === *easy to use *includes URL for references *wikipedia and Creative Commons materials available Video of the process coming soon. Anyone tried same/similar? You can see some rough content here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/FHSST_Computer_Literacy/Contents/Computers_in_all_walks_of_life and here http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User:DennisDaniels&action=submit best --[[User:DennisDaniels|dgd]] 06:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC) :Yes, it's definitely a useful tool. Unfortunately for ideal results you need to format everything twice (e.g. <b><nowiki>'''bold'''</nowiki></b>) in readiness for importing. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 11:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC) ::Maybe a plugin specifically for Wikimedia? I know that Google is very much pro Wikipedia and etc? --[[User:213.42.2.23|213.42.2.23]] 11:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC) == Fix == Might want to change this page: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiversity Thanks == published books == why not put books in that dont have copyright shakespeare authors that have been dead 100 yrs are copyright free put some on!!!!!!!!!! : Wikibooks is for books being made/corrected, etc. etc. : Already finished books go on [http://en.wikisource.org Wikisource] --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC) == Blocked User? == One of my contributors has told me that he can no longer edit pages on wikibooks. He says none of the edit links show up. He's on the opposite coast as I am, so I can't exactly go over and see what he's doing. He had been making a lot of great contributions until this happened, and I'm trying to figure out what may have gone wrong. Is this what it looks like when someone gets blocked? I know that sometimes he logs in with his username, and other times he contributes from 71.103.178.xx. Can anyone shed some light on this? [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 03:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :I don't see any IP addresses in the block log, although I only looked as far back as mid-april. There aren't many usernames in that list, although if you tell me your friend's user name, i can look it up for you. I've never been blocked, so unfortunately i dont know what it looks like. If there is some kind of an error though, I might be able to help. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 03:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ::His username is [[User:Westsarchery|Westsarchery]]. [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 03:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :::That username doesnt appear anywhere in the block logs either. See if your friend can send you a screenshot or something of what he is seeing when he tries to edit. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC) If you are blocked and you try to edit, then you will see the [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext]] page. This should allow your friend to see if it is an inadvertent blocking problem, or something else, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 12:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC) : It sounds like he must be having some other problem then. I'll try to work with him to see if I can get to the bottom of it. Thanks for the help. [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 13:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC) ::I know that I was having a specific problem with my ISP, that my edits would never get saved, and when i clicked "Save Page", the page would never load. When I moved home, I was using Comcast instead of Verison, and now I can edit freely again. Maybe your friend is having a similar problem. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :It might be a problem with monobook.js/css. I edited mine to add something; it got messed up and eliminated all tabs at the top of a wikipedia page. It didn't fix itself even when I commented out both files, only when I moved them. Also, appending ?action=edit or &action=edit to a wiki url opens edit. [[wikipedia:user:pcu123456789|PCU123456789]] ([[wikipedia:user_talk:pcu123456789|talk]]) 00:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC) == Video game guides issue == Unfortunately, I think it's time that we put the issue of videogames to rest. [[Wikibooks:Game manual guidelines]] needs to be altered (removed or rejected), and [[WB:WIW]] needs to be altered to demonstrate that game manuals do not belong here. I would be highly in favor of writing an expiry time into this policy, so that we can review it at a later date, once we know what the long-term effect of losing these manuals actually costs us. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 18:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :It's not looking good foe the people who want to keep the guides. The [[Wikibooks Pokédex|Pokédex]] was just deleted today. Even though some users want to keep the guides, actions show that they are leaving. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 01:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Inevitably those who were here just to write the guides will leave, and those here to write a mixture of textbooks and video game guides will reduce their time here. Hopefully they will go to the sites where the guides are being moved to and those books will continue to grow. Meanwhile, with a true focus on textbooks, Wikibooks should be in a fine position to expand and attract in those who wish to boost up our textbooks. Ideally I'd like to be able to go to Wikipedia and invite in, say, those who would be willing to write a complete study guide for Maths GCSE - and then expand that for all GCSE syllabuses and then similar courses in other countries. Similarly for A-level maths - and for other subjects. The cost of published copyrighted texts is enormous - Wikibooks should set itself the aim of providing free texts, thereby benefiting the cause of education greatly, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :Going back to Whiteknight's suggestion, I think that he is right. As a temporary measure, let's reinstitute Jimbo's addition to WB:WIW [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks&diff=prev&oldid=434945], which was to add under a heading of "Wikibooks is not a repository for video game manuals" the following text: ::Some content about video games could be appropriate, such as a textbook for an existing course on the impact of video games in our culture. But in general, game guides are not appropriate for Wikibooks. :[[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :: Can someone please explain to me what I'm missing here? I know I'm obvlivious at times... so maybe it is just something obvious ... but. How are video game guides contradicting that goal? How would video game guides slow down progress at Wikibooks at all? --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 06:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC) By removing books that are not textbooks from Wikibooks, Wikibooks will be in a position to become truly focused. Focus is important - it tells people clearly what we are about. It should enable us to attract more writers and readers in so that we can become a leading resource for free textbooks, which is, after all, Wikibooks' aim, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :What we need is for the likes of you and I to get back to book writing - your [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior_Kings_and_Queens_of_England Kings and Queens] book is great! That said, this is a "Larry" moment for Wikibooks, do we allow the future to evolve within us or do we regulate it? The risk taken by Jimmy Wales when he deregulated Wikipedia was enormous but our risk is tiny - we just partition the dubious books onto bookshelves at the back of the library. We can maintain the focus by presenting our high school books at the front. Which reminds me, I should really be lending a hand on these so we actually have some high school books. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 17:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC) == An electronic encyclopedia of life? == Edward O. Wilson was quoted as saying the following in The Discover Interview in the June 2006 issue of Discover: "What we need is an electronic encyclopedia of life, with one page for each species." (To allow scientists, and others, build a world-wide resource.) Is this a Wiki possibility? [[User:David Hockey|David Hockey]] 15:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :I thought they had such a project at [[wikispecies:|Wikispecies]]. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 15:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC) == I love video game books == I am afraid that I have not been so clear in my past statements in this area and this is causing people consternation where I think there should be friendly dialogue. I am an advocate of free culture. I love video game books. I think that people should be passionately writing books about video games in a collaborative manner. These can be walkthroughs, these can be textbooks about the sociological phenomena of games, these can be textbooks for game programming, these can be user manuals, these can be joke books, these can be fan fiction, these can be all kinds of cool and interesting things that I have not imagined, and that none of us have yet imagined, because we are at the beginning of the grand experiment of internet collaboration using free licenses. The issue here is not about me not liking them, the issue is that the Wikimedia Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non profit organization which was approved as such by application to the US Government based on a particular charter of operations, and we have NO CHOICE but to follow that charter. If we expanded the mission of Wikibooks to include things which are outside the scope of our charter, we would lose our tax exempt status and place the entire project in peril, including Wikipedia, Wikibooks, and everything else. There is a simple dividing line to use. Is there a course taught at an accredited institution of learning, which requires as a textbook, the sort of book in question? That's the rule. It is easy to apply, it keeps us from having to fight about whether various things are 'important enough' or 'serious enough' for Wikibooks. (A silly question, I think, because all kinds of things are important, and demeaning someones work as not being serious enough is not kind.) I think of game walkthroughs and manuals in the same way that I think about Hamlet. Hamlet is a great book, but it is not a textbook. It belongs in Wikisource. Game walkthroughs and manuals may be great books, but they are not textbooks either. They belong at Wikia, or a generic wiki host. We do not allow original fiction here. We do not allow things that go in wikisource. I have too much love and pride about the important mission of Wikibooks to let it become a dumping ground for things that the Wikipedians are kicking out. The mission of Wikibooks is to provide a complete curriculum that will allow every single person on the planet, in their own language, to get the education that they need to survive and prosper in the world. This is a noble mission, it is an important mission, but it is not a mission that can be achieved without serious focus on what we are doing here and why. We are a charity. We have a mission. Let's stick to it.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 22:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :Another point that has been brought up concerns topics that are worthy topics of instruction, but that may not be taught in a standard classroom setting. For instance, [[Chess]] is certainly not taught in many schools, except there are chess clubs that teach it. And if we allow [[Chess]], then the slippery slope has us including all sorts of games. How do we answer this issue? --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::I think chess should probably leave, as Jimbo said "''Is there a course taught at an accredited institution of learning, which requires as a textbook, the sort of book in question?''". I don't think you can take a collage course in chess, therefore it has to go. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :::But there are people who do seriously study chess, and there are chess schools where it is professionally taught to students. Perhaps these chess schools aren't accredited (i don't know one way or the other), but it is a serious topic of study with several instructional and theoretical books being published on the topic. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::::Well ''if'' these classes are in an accredited institution of learning, ''then'' it can stay, if not, it leaves. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :::::This shouldn't be such a difficult issue. Google should give us some indication of what is and isn't being taught. For ''Chess'', we have :::::*GCol 1905 Chess and Critical Thinking at University of Minnesota [http://www.gen.umn.edu/courses/fa04_syllabi/1905-1_Bart.pdf] :::::*MATH 177 Logic of Chess at University of Wisconsin Whitewater [http://math.uww.edu/~mcfarlat/177.htm] :::::*ED 4358 Chess I: Using Chess in Elementary Schools at University of Texas [http://www.utdallas.edu/student/catalog/ugcurrent/ugprograms/ed.html] :::::*Fundamentals of Chess (no apparent catalog number) at University of Maryland-Baltimore County [http://www.cs.umbc.edu/~sherman/Chess/masterprep/] :::::Although I still haven't demonstrated that the ''Chess'' Wikibook is useful in any of these courses, we're a lot closer than we were. This only took me a few minutes. I think this is the right way to apply the "accredited institution" metric &mdash; let's talk specifics rather than going on preconceptions about what classes are and aren't taught. --Brian Brondel 01:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC) ::::::It looks like I was wrong; you ''can'' learn chess in collage! I guess the book is safe then :) [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 01:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC) :On another note, given this information and this mandate, I think it is very important that we update [[WB:WIW]]. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC) ::Yes, [[WB:WIW]] should be updated with this new information. [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 23:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Details of 501(c)(3) are given at: [http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf Tax exempt status for your organization]. The charter for Wikimedia is at : [http://wikimediafoundation.org/bylaws.pdf Bylaws of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.]. Please can anyone point to where these exclude documents such as game guides, or have I missed a crucial document? A charitable educational institution is permitted to start courses as and how they think fit but it seems that Wikibooks is excluded from this - anyone know where? [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC) : This answers my questions completely. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 11:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Robin, the bylaws state (on page 1): :"The general purpose and objectives of the Foundation shall be the following: Wikimedia Foundation is dedicated to the development and maintenance of online free, open content encyclopedias, collections of quotations, textbooks and other collections of documents, information, and other informational databases..." and they go on to describe Wikibooks as: :"a collection of e-book resources aimed specifically toward students (such as textbooks and annotated public domain books)" These seem quite clear, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 11:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC) :They seem crystal clear but they do not exclude game manuals. In fact it would be appropriate for an on-line source such as Wikibooks to mount the first ever set of books that constitute a complete course in computer gaming. Computer game guides, if offered for free, do not violate either of the two documents mentioned, so the legal and constitutional arguments are red herrings. :We are left with a debate about whether we want to have game guides and whether these are appropriate to Wikibooks. :My own view is that Doom is questionable but guides that cover "Second Life" and other online games that involve real financial transactions must be valid books. However, the whole debate is strange because these game books are harmless and can be partitioned onto the computer games bookshelf. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC) ::I'm afraid I do think you are somewhat misunderstanding Jimbo if you conclude that a game guide like Second Life may be permissible on Wikibooks because Second Life has some features that may make playing it valuable in real-life. The question to be asked is - is this book a textbook? [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 07:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC) :::The problem is "what is a textbook?". A textbook is a manual for a course of study but what is a course of study? We are trying, artificially, to limit the idea of courses of study to those courses that are already available somewhere in the world. In other words to courses that are economically viable. I think some aspects of video game play wll be economically viable in the near future - the fact that Wikibooks might already have a manual for the course will expedite course creation. :::It is amusing that our roles in the debate on regulations have reversed as we examine different areas. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 10:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC) == consolidation of bookshelves == I've been looking at the following bookshelves in the [[Wikibooks:Social Science department]]: [[Wikibooks:Economics bookshelf]], [[Wikibooks:Business bookshelf]], and [[Wikibooks:Law bookshelf]]. I cannot speak for the business and law bookshelves as strongly as the economics bookshelf, but I don't believe there is enough material right now to constitute an entire bookshelf. I suggest that these be consolidated into one bookshelf for the time being, maybe the [[Wikibooks:Social science bookshelf]]. I'm sure eventually there will be enough content to constitute three seperate bookshelves, but I think that won't happen for some time. On my [[User_talk:Paul_Lynch|user talk page]] I have listed the inactive, low content books on the economics bookshelf that I believe should be deleted, or merged. I would appreciate it if an admin would take a look at this list, and either delete these books or let me know if they are subject to speedy delete or not. Also, just out of curiosity, if anyone is currently working on a book on any of these book shelves, could you leave me a message on my user talk page? Thanks, [[User:Paul Lynch|DettoAltrimenti]] 23:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC) :I will take a look at the books you mentioned, and do what I think is necessary to them. Also, the idea of bookshelf consolidation, considering the fact that we have so few books on those shelves is a good idea, I think. I am not to involved with the structure of bookshelves myself, other users and administrators are far more involved with that subject then I am, and I would hate to monkey around in a system that I know nothing about. However, if you feel that things would be better with a merged bookshelf, and if you have the time and energy to attempt the merger, by all means do what you think is best. Be bold. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC) ==Unicode== I am transwikiing a unicode table from pages in http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Unicode_9000-9FFF to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Windows_Programming/Unicode/Character_reference/9000-9FFF. The pages on Wikisource are headed for deleetion, but are useful as a unicode char. code reference in the Windows Programming/Unicode/Character reference wikibook. Does anyone wish to help move this?[[wikipedia:user:pcu123456789|PCU123456789]] ([[wikipedia:user_talk:pcu123456789|talk]]) 00:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC) : [[User:Uncle G]] has a transwiki bot. He may be willing to help. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 02:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC) == &amp; in links == hi, a technical question. I'm asking here because there seems to be no consensus on what is or is not permitted/working/expteced/... There were some links that have been removed from a number of modules in the Ada Programming book, but not by the authors, as far as I can tell. The change comments are consistently empty, so I don't know for sure what the reason was, though I suspect the intent has been technical: mostly &amp;-links have been removed. The help pages on links and URLs I could find were not exactly unambigous about the issue: <tt>&amp;</tt> ''is'' a valid plain URL character. You can escape it. &amp; works just fine where we need it, see below. &amp; becomes %26 when the link is activated. The Ada programming book talks, naturally, about the "&amp;" delimiter. (Each delimiter has its own module.) The &amp; character works just fine in links, it is URL-escaped (%26) and leads to the expected module: I can use an internal link, [[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&amp;]], i.e. <nowiki>[[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&amp;amp;]]</nowiki> or an Ada/template, {{Ada/delimiter|&amp;}}, i.e. <nowiki>{{Ada/delimiter|&amp;amp;}}</nowiki>. I can even omit writing a proper character entity reference and still I get [[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&]] i.e. <nowiki>[[Ada_Programming/Delimiters/&amp;]]</nowiki> and {{Ada/delimiter|&}}, i.e. <nowiki>{{Ada/delimiter|&amp;}}</nowiki>. * Is this a technical issue? * Is it a misunderstanding? * Should the URL/link help pages be improved, or should I improve my understanding? As I am maintaining two programs for turning Ada into wikibook markup, I'd really like to know whether there is a precise specification of what exactly composes an internal wikibook link. The editting help is a bit vague and ambigous as regards the full character set, or am I missing something? The issue is of general interest, I think, as linguists, typographers, prep school teachers, and authors of books on other programming languages might run into the same issue. (If there is one.) regards, [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 03:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC) : If there's no problem with the links working, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to use them in the Ada book. The person removing them probably didn't understand that they were valid. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 19:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC) :: After looking into this some more, I conclude this was instead part of the recent redirection cleanup. Follow-up question below. [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 17:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC) == About categories == In wikibooks we have a problem in the other wikis they don't sense: in the category page, where appears a book's subpage like xxxxx/yyyy/zzz we see all the address. Will be usefull a new function like writing <nowiki>[[Category:German</nowiki>'''!'''<nowiki>zzz]]</nowiki>, will print zzz on the category page. If you agree with me I will post this purpose on bugzilla. bye [[User:The Doc|The Doc]] 12:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC) Ok I've done it, [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6111 bug 6111] [[User:The Doc|The Doc]] 20:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC) == Policy on deleting inactive modules == Is there a policy on deleting inactive modules? I have a great example here, [[Supervisor_Nuts_and_Bolts]]: There is basically one real contributor, with no user page, who wrote all of the content in one day, 2 February, 2006. I think this should be deleted, but is 3 months a long enough time to wait? I think it is. [[User:Paul Lynch|DettoAltrimenti]] 02:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :There isn't any content; it's just an outline, a stub. Perhaps the stub macro should be added to it to alert people that there is work to do. I'd like to know why there is so much interest in deletion these days, perhaps I'm just hypersensitive but it seems as if that's all people talk about here lately. I think we should ask why anything should be deleted, is disk space that expensive? It can't be bandwidth because pages that are not accessed don't cost any bandwidth so why the interest in deletion? This particular module is an outline for a book on a very important subject so surely it should remain. Anyway what does 'inactive module' mean? I have written a number of modules (with content not just an outline) that have been inactive for longer than [[Supervisor_Nuts_and_Bolts]] if by inactive you mean that there have been no edits in that period. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 11:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :: The interest in deletion is for two reasons: ::# Jimbo has clarified some policies which mean that large chunks of content on wikibooks should not be here. Some of it is from transwikis, some of it home grown. ::# We have not (for the past 3 years) been very good about pruning inactive or abandoned books, so we have a build up of cruft, which certain users have taken the initiative in cleaning out. ::[[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :::I think this is a mistaken notion. Huge chunks of Wikibooks have been deleted or pruned recently, and the move to do so has been accelerating for some time. Indeed, if you look at the total module count on Wikibooks you would have noticed that the total number of Wikibooks modules over the past several months has been going down, even with many new Wikibooks being started and significant expansions of several books occuring. Debate over what should and should not be on Wikibooks has been ongoing, and quite a bit of progress was being made well before the fiat decisions by Jimbo as well. Indeed, I believe that most of the results of Jimbo's pronouncements would likely have happened anyway, just on a slower timescale before it came to a head. Indeed the problem I have come across is when I try to delete something like the Wikimania proceedings (clearly not a textbook or even a book) where after I deleted the content it was restored due to political pressures to keep the content. :::This is an old debate, although due vigalance should happen to try and review content regularly on Wikibooks to make sure that the content that is here relates to the general guidelines of this website. Far too often there have been people treating Wikibooks as a free public website where anything and everything can be published. :::BTW, if you see a book like the one listed above, you can either add the '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' mark-up tag or add it to the [[Wikibooks:Votes for deletion]] page for review by the community. In some cases, simply by adding the book to the VfD page will get the attention of somebody and cause some meaningful content to be added that helps out all of Wikibooks as well. If you want to really help out here, do your part and try to dig out these lost or forgotten modules. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 09:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Fictional Books == Can Wikibooks be used to make fictional books, imaginary ideas? And if yes, where, in the All Bookshelves shall I put it? — [[User:Mastermind 007|<span style="color:red">'''''Master'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mastermind 007|<span style="color:green">'''''mind'''''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mastermind 007|<span style="color:blue">'''''007'''''</span>]] '''09:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)''' : No. Please see [[WB:WIW]], which explains this. You can put these on [http://www.wikia.com/ wikia], I believe. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 14:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :Take a look at [[wikia:c:novelas|Novelas]] which is likely what you're wanting. There are also wikias for [[wikia:c:althistory|Alternative History]] and various other fiction idea-sharing environments. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC) == Redirects Having Semantic Significance == Noticing a major cleanup effort in the deletion logs, I can see a lot of sense in most of these deletions, as many appear to have been technical (e.g., "''':'''" &rarr; "'''/'''"). Some redirects, however, can carry meaning and their deletion removes more than a technical flaw (now). Consider ''Color/Orange'' versus ''Fruit/Orange'', and the deletion of ''Fruit/Orange''. If ''Orange'' deserves two separate modules because it is both a fruit and in a different context, a color, then we might just have two modules. A redirect from one to the other is unlikely, and it is unlikely deleted. OTOH, what if subject ''X'' has aspects pertaining to both ''A/X'' and ''B/X''? Chances are then that the ''X'' description includes all aspects of ''X'', and that one of ''A/X'' or ''B/X'' is deliberately redirected to the other. I see two solutions in the latter case: create a dummy module for all but the complete ''X'' module, and then either transclude or redirect. Right? Follow this from the perspective of a textbook user skimming the index. The index may offer a redirect, so that the reader is enabled to find a reference to the (differently named) item. What's the best way to deal with this situation such that * Modules can refer to one aspect of ''X'' specifically using links * The ''X'' module is comprehensive as regards ''X'' (all aspects) Is redirecting a no-no in wikibooks? [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 17:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC) : Redirecting is fine. We do (or did), however, have ''lots''' of redirects left from book moves and removed books. Some useful redirects have likely been deleted in the process. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 21:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC) == CC and GFDL compatibility == I was looking at this free microeconomics text http://www.introecon.com/ released under the Creative Commons license. I was wondering, is this license compatible with the license used here at wikibooks? Can I use any of the information? [[User:Paul Lynch|DettoAltrimenti]] 21:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :Unfortunately not. :( The licenses have some key differences that make them incompatible. And even if they were the author has chosen a nc (non-commercial) restriction which the GFDL doesn't have. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 04:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC) == Could we have a Wikinovel on wikibooks? == You know the drill. Lots of people want to use wiki software to write collaborative works - and wikibooks is a great place to do it. Free, high quality novels? It's not "free knowledge" in the Wikimedia sense, but it's "free books" in the Wikibooks sense, and hell I think it would contribute to the world. Obviously there would be rubbish books and good ones, but like all of these wikiprojects, it's the good stuff that you work by. So how about a bookshelf for '''Wikifiction'''? --[[w:User:Alfakim]]. --[[User:131.111.8.97|131.111.8.97]] 14:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC) :No. Wikibooks is for textbooks. A novel does not fit that description. I do believe, however, that there are other wikis for the writing of novels, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC) : See [[Wikibooks:Staff lounge#Fictional_Books]], where we gave fuller answers. [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 20:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC) :This is a very old argument that came up some time ago. There was a very interesting Wikibook called Aarvard the Arrdvark that was very well written and intented to be a beginning reader for children. After some considerable debate over the whole idea, and some serious discussion within the Wikibooks community, it was decided to remove this book and make a formal policy statement that Wikibooks is only for Non-fiction works. :This has much more to do with something you need to know about the Wikibooks community. Besides the whole textbook/non-textbook argument, you need to keep in mind the kind of people who are working here on Wikibooks. This whole website is setup and organized to help you to write non-fiction books, with policies being set up to fact check the material and to do critical review of the content. Writing fiction requires a very different environment, and it also opens up the potential to edit wars over content, where one person's opinion over what should be there is just as valid as anybody else's. :The other problem is that allowing fiction, even in a limited form, opens up far too many other problems with content as administrators as well. Just as you can't resolve fights over content, it can also be used as a loophole to add content that otherwise would be removed from even straight textbooks. :I have worked on Wikis for collaborative fiction writing, and it is a really neat idea, both in theory and in practice. Wikibooks is not the place for this sort of content, however. For futher details, please see [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks]]. This is something that has been brought up many times in the past. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 10:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Research related to Wikibooks == Has anyone else got an email asking them to do a survey about Wikibooks? [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 00:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC) :Not I. Should we have? Is someone trying to gain information? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 04:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC) Yes, we do. Actually, we are already done with the previous study. We would like to thank you all participants who participated in our previous Wikibook survey. In addition, I am happy to inform you that this research is being published by the Journal of Interactive Online Learning in March 2008 (http://www.ncolr.org/default.htm). Since the 2006 survey, we have been involved in creating three different wikibooks ourselves, including one on “The Web 2.0 and Emerging Learning Technologies” (i.e., The WELT) which has had contributions from graduate students and professors in China, Taiwan, Malaysia, and the United States (see: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Web_2.0_and_Emerging_Learning_Technologies. Dr. Curt Bonk and I are in the midst of a follow-up study of Wikibookians—researching issues of Wikibookian identity, communities of practice, and overall apprenticeship and support (see http://www.surveyshare.com/survey/take/?sid=64648). As the note below indicates, Erik Moller, the Deputy Director of Wikimedia Foundation, is aware of our research and has endorsed it. Here is his message to you. <div style="width:80%; margin:auto; background:#eeeeff;"> Dear Wikibookian, Dr. Curt Bonk and Suthiporn Sajjapanroj from Indiana University and their colleagues from the University of Houston are in the midst of an important study of Wikibookians. They conducted a previous study of 80 Wikibookians in 2006 which will be published next month in the spring 2008 issue of the Journal of Interactive Online Learning (see http://www.ncolr.org/jiol/issues/). In their follow-up study, they are researching issues of Wikibookian identity, communities of practice in Wikibooks, and the overall apprenticeship and support structures that exist in the Wikibooks Website. Their current survey can be found at: http://www.surveyshare.com/survey/take/?sid=64648 The Wikimedia Foundation supports efforts like this to understand and study our communities, and we invite you to participate in this survey. We appreciate any help you can lend to Dr. Bonk and his research team. Please note that this effort is separate from the Wikimedia Foundation cross-project survey that we will conduct in collaboration with UNU-Merit later this year. Sincerely, Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation </div> We hope that this research will help those developing wikibooks and related e-book communities around the world. We promise to once again share the results. Any questions or problems can be sent to me at ssajjapa@indiana.edu. [[User:Ssajjapa|Ssajjapa]] 15:26, 27 Feb 2008 (UTC) <div style="width:80%; margin:auto; background:#eeeeff;"> Hello, My name is Suthiporn Sajjapanroj. I am a second-year doctoral student at the Department of Education in Indiana University, Bloomington. My professor, Dr. Curtis J. Bonk, and I are conducting a research related to a Wikibook. The purpose of this study is to find the potential of an instructional strategy, the creation of a Wikibook, to support learning collaboration and social interactions across classrooms in different educational institutions. You are invited to participate in this research study. Your responses will help us understand online collaboration in the creation of a Wikibook. This survey consists of 35 questions and will take you about 15 minutes to complete. Please answer these questions to the best of your knowledge. Thank you very much. Your participation is greatly appreciated. The survey can be found at: http://www.surveyshare.com/survey/take/?sid=36753 (If you are unable to click on the link, copy and paste it into your Web browser.) This survey will be collected anonymously on a secure server provided by SurveyShare. Your survey responses will be kept confidential. Any questions or problems can be sent to ssajjapa@indiana.edu. Suthiporn Sajjapanroj Ph.D. Student in Curriculum and Instruction Indiana University 800 N.Union Street, Bloomington, Indiana 47408 812-857-0009 Curtis J. Bonk, Professor Indiana University Instructional Systems Technology Department School of Education: Room 2220 Bloomington, IN 47405-1006 (812) 856-8353 (work); 322-curt (cell) E-mail: CJBonk@indiana.edu 812-856-8353 http://mypage.iu.edu/~cjbonk/ </div> [[User:Gmcfoley|Gerard Foley]] 16:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC) == Real concerns about Wikibooks environment == I could go on endlessly debating if we should or should not have stars on our bellies. That is not the point here, and if this was meaningless debate over nothing here on these pages, I would care less. Here to try and sum up what my major gripes are right now over what is going on with Wikibooks can be expressed with just a few short statements: #I have no idea any more what is or is not acceptable on Wikibooks. So much is being deleted at the drop of a hat, and repeated deletions even if undeleted, that I am tired of trying to fight individual battles. #If I or anybody else tries to write content here, I have no idea if it will be here in six months, much less for any other substantial length of time. This is significant as content for Wikibooks sometimes takes six or more months to even put together. Going back to point #1, the policy landscape is shifting so much right now that '''anything''' I write may be gone simply because one very active admin doesn't like it. This even seems to include pages that are beneficial to the whole project, like [[WB:CCO]], that clearly don't violate any existing policy standard. #Wheel warring is going on too much. That is deletions and undeletions or sysops fighting each other with admin-only functions rather than trying to resolve things in a civil manner and trying to come to a concensus first. This is something that really shouldn't be happening at all. A very hostile environment has taken hold of Wikibooks recently. I don't mind if I am overrulled or told I'm wrong occasionally, but some rather significant policy changes have happened where all I can do is complain well after the fact that the policy has become enforced and acted upon. This is flat out wrong under any circumstance, especially when up until now there was a general community concensus procedure for trying to change policies on this large of a scale. Such concensus was never achieved, particularly with the video game guides, even though the bookshelf is now gone for all practical purposes. "Jimbo says...." is not enough to simply make a policy change, even if you want to give his words significant weight. And Jimbo can be wrong on occasion. Generally speaking, I have tried to work on educating new users to Wikibooks, operating on the philosophy that if they understand what this website is all about, that they will be making generally acceptable contributions. I've also tried to step in before significant contributions have been made, so they aren't wasting their time here on projects that may be deleted in the future. After huge efforts have been put into things like the [[Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter]], only to be put up for a VfD for the second time, it seems like a total waste of effort. And this isn't even the first book to have been put up for VfDs multiple times. This is an awsome website and has the potential to do some incredible things that can be good to everybody. I hope that inexpensive books can be produced from the effort here, including textbooks. This is going to take time and effort to happen. I just wish there were more patience with those of us who actually like to write books than those who want to get rid of them. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 15:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC) :I know what you are talking about, but there are factors here that we need to consider. "Jimbo Says..." is good enough to make policy, so far as I am concerned. Wikibooks was set up with a specific charter in mind, and putting all manner of nonsense on here can invalidate the wikimedia charter. Last thing I want is to open my browser one day and see a message like "The wikibooks project was abandoned, because the database was filled with all sorts of crap, there was no focus on education as was intended, and the admins weren't doint their jobs." I doubt that it will ever come to that, but we need to draw some lines in the sand to prevent things from ever getting that bad. Wikibooks needs to have a clear focus, or else it will never be able to acheive anything good. That focus is on textbooks. This is not to say that we can't take a liberal interpretation of the word "textbook", but that does mean that things like the videogame guides don't belong here. And I wish they did belong. I wish that I could click a link, and edit a videogame guide without having to leave the project. However, it isn't to be. I wish that I could read news stories on [http://www.collegehumor.com on collegehumor], or download linux distros from [http://www.gamefaqs.com gamefaqs], or even browse pornography on [http://www.hotmail.com on hotmail], but these things won't happen because those websites have a focus and are sticking to them. Nobody wants all this chaos, but wikibooks is changing: We have been given a focus, and now we need to conform to it. I think we as a community want the Harry Potter book to stay, but maybe we need to test the boundaries of what does and does not belong here before we just keep or just delete anything. It has nothing to do with the fact that it survived a previous VfD or not, it has to do with determining what materials belong and what materials need to go, as per the new focus that we have as a community. If you want to give up on this place, and declare these changes to be too much, or too sweeping, then I understand. It would be a shame to see such a prolific contributor and administrator go, but I know what you are feeling. However, if you want to stay, and help lead us through this dark and uncertain time, then more power to you. I know that I choose to stay. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]]<small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 15:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC) I agree with Whiteknight that there has been a refocusing towards textbooks. When Wikibooks was set up, and throughout its life, it has always set itself up as a home for textbooks. It is true that for a prolonged period, it has also accepted books that are not textbooks, although these were never officially within its scope. It is only now, after Jimbo has given clear instructions, that we are now moving all books that are not textbooks off Wikibooks. :'''"we are now moving all books that are not textbooks off Wikibooks"''' - books take a long time to write. You should only move substantially complete books off Wikibooks after a proper discussion in the staff lounge. Jimbo has not given clear instructions. Mr Wales is the head of this charitable trust and a reasonable man, if he were to look at the debate on this issue he would probably agree that it is not absolutely clear cut and needs debate, probably on each substantial book in turn. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC) I believe this will have long term benefits - in particular it should help us attract more writers, and then more readers, in. In particular, one area where Wikibooks really could make a difference is by having complete textbooks for the most popular school syllabuses (which is easier for some countries and states of the US than for others). Costs in purchasing copyrighted textbooks are a large part of students/schools budgets. By reducing those to the cost of printing out a free book, or by having textbooks free for commercial exploitation without the costs of copyright, we can make a real difference. Of course, we have many great textbooks on Wikibooks that are not geared towards specific exams, but it is the ones that are so geared that can be the most valuable in financial savings. I have been bold and started something which I suggested some time ago. [[Wikistudy]], for school textbooks geared to specific examinations, [[Wikiprofessional]] for textbooks geared towards professional and vocational examinations. It is only when doing this that I have appreciated what the FHSST and COTSP projects are about (search for them on google or wikipedia and you'll see what I mean). There is a lot of goodwill for these books - we need to make the most of it. I'd love to get things organised on here soon so that we can go to the WikiProjects on Wikipedia, or approach teachers in schools, and make this happen. I believe we'll soon be ready to do this, and this will help maximise the value of Wikibooks, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 18:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC) : Useful, even only financially useful textbooks notwithstanding, wikibook is given the exceptional opportunity to do more than compete with dedicated and existing textbook publishers. We can add to the set of standard textbooks wikibooks on subjects that had spurred our particular interests, that would never make it into the plain old school curriculum, but that nevertheless keep learners in supense. A most desirable goal for a textbook. Those subjects for which no examination comes to mind immediately can nevertheless be most valuable. Learning is not by itself bounded by utility in examination, in school, or in the shop, and I '''strongly''' believe that '''this''' broadness and openness is what sets wikibooks apart. : Please, keep an open mind about the possibilities of a world wide wikibook cooperation, one that may or may not go beyond the necessary viewpoints, ways, costs, regulations, topics, restrictions, etc. of a conventional perception of a high school textbook project. Kids, e.g. are not made just for those textbooks! Adding strict school rules is certainly limiting, and it does by definition exclude subjects and styles of presentation. Why should we want but this? : In sum, please don't stifle the good work by getting mechanically formal, or by following someones personal views too closely. I for one wouldn't want my personal views be followed too closely. Could be dull! [[User:GeorgBauhaus|gb]] 20:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC) Oh, by "valuable", I really did mean in the financial sense, and nothing more. Of course we should encourage textbooks on all subjects in wikibooks (although we do have a problem that very few of our books get completed). We very much should be looking beyond the school curriculum. We should also make sure we do cover the core school curriculum well, though. This is important - it also provides good background knowledge for further learning in other areas. I certainly do not seek to inhibit the breadth of textbooks that wikibooks has - however, I also wish to see us excel in the core basic subjects that most schoolchildren learn, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 20:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC) I cannot understand why people are getting so rule oriented on the subject of what should go in Wikibooks. This is a library of textbooks. Textbooks are manuals for courses of instruction. If we have textbooks that seem to have no courses then we should stick them at the back of the library. How much does disk space cost? Almost nothing. So why not just tuck away the books that have no courses in a separate bookshelf ("Guides and manuals that have no current course of instruction") and forget this issue of "What is a Wikibook?". I would suggest the following compromise. If a book is a bona fide guide or manual of instruction then it belongs here (yes, even if it is a game guide). If there is no course anywhere in the world for the guide then it goes at the back of the library. If there is at least one course then it goes in the front along with everything else. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC) I am old enough to remember when moves were made to ban Media Studies from academic institutions (in both the US and UK). Media is now a major part of both countries' economies. Please don't put Wikibooks in a straight-jacket, all that will happen is that we will become a backwater prowled by pedantic librarians. Please let us breathe. If you don't some other, more liberal site can just copy all the "straight" textbooks from here to complement its avant garde approach and kill us stone dead. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 09:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC) :Please don't get hung up on my semantics. I believe any textbook can have a place on Wikibooks - and I would use a wide definition of textbook (although I would not stretch it beyond its usual English meaning). I do agree that it is important we have textbooks that do not relate directly to any existing (or even putative) exam, and I haven't seen anyone dissent from that view. What I also believe, however, is that we should make sure that core school syllabuses are covered and covered well. However, I most certainly would not limit our content just to books addressing those syllabuses, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 10:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review: [[Wikibooks:General voting rules]]== It is amazing that we have no policy for dealing with contentious decisions. The game guide issue could be decided by a vote if this policy were available as an enforced policy. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review: proposal to move [[Wikibooks:Editing disputes policy]] to enforced status== This policy proposal has, so far, met with unanimous support. It is innocuous, simply proposing that serious disputes are dealt with to one side of the book authoring process. It makes compromise the only worthwhile solution to a dispute. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 14:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC) :It is difficult to convey tone with text, so let me say this explicitly - I really do wish to be helpful here and operate in a collaborative manner to help resolve issues and to extend my good faith. I have an honest disagreement with you here and hopefully we can discuss this as friendly Wikibookians, who nevertheless do disagree on how to make Wikibooks better. :Robin, this proposal only has four people other than yourself commenting on it, and three people other than yourself voting on it. It really needs wider discussion and more support before we can think about making it a policy. I must say my first question was "Why do we need this?" It is also very prescriptive - it also has a horrible sting in the tail. We have previously discussed, and a number of others have commented, that we only really need one behaviour policy. This would make a second one. Why can't we move towards the goal of having such a single "be nice" policy (rename it by all means) and lose the prescription? I do find it ironic that you suggest I am being too rule oriented by saying "Wikibooks is for textbooks", but you are the one coming up with lots of precise rules and methods. Take care, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 15:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ::This is why I have tried to publicise it here. It is prescriptive, saying that if there is a major dispute it should be taken to one side to make the disputants realise that the only way forward is compromise. No one gains from an edit war and this policy ensures that this is the case. ::The "precise" rules are really about tidying up the policies at Wikibooks. It will make your job easier with your re-write, knowing which policies have strong support and which have none. At the moment I do not feel that Wikibooks is a safe place for books. I could put a lot of effort into writing a section on evolution in a biology book and some people with strong opinions could simply wreck it forever. The Editing disputes and No personal attacks policies will provide some of the security that anyone who is prepared to spend hours writing a book requires.[[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ==Policy review: proposal to move [[Wikibooks:No personal attacks]] to enforced== This policy has been around for a very long time and discussed at length on the policy's talk page. [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] amended the text of the policy during the vote, all the voters were informed of this amendment and there now seems to be general agreement. [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] has asked that notice of the move to enforced be posted here. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 15:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC) ryghbp5gj7fnpb2i73ree9d090tyo24 0 81402 4639452 4612419 2026-06-09T06:13:50Z PRETZELHQ 3576649 4639452 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Classical variation |eco=[[Chess/ECOD|D21-D24]] |prev=[[../|Queen's gambit accepted]] }} == 3. Nf3 · Classical variation == This is the classical continuation. White pursues its development and increases control over the e5 square. Black's main reply is 3...Nf6. ==Theory table== {{ChessTable}} {{Chess/theory table |line1=3...Nf6 |eval1={{Chess/not|=}} |line2=3...c6 |eval2={{Chess/not|+}} |line3=3...e6 |name3=Rosenthal variation }} {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Queen's Gambit Accepted}} {{BCO2}} {{ChessFooter}} bpkx2vt6521bjlmxwr3xauqtfgvz1ko 0 102585 4639381 4628646 2026-06-08T17:53:49Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639381 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |Russian game |parent=[[../|Russian game]] |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C42]] }} == 3...d6 == White's knight is under attack and must be moved, then it is safe for Black to pick up the pawn. [[/4. Nf3|'''4. Nf3''']] is the overwhelmingly common choice, and Black retakes the pawn with 4...Nxe5. This reaches the main junction of the Russian game where there are several theoretical continuations; the main line is 5. d4, the classical attack. [[/4. Nd3|'''4. Nd3!?''']], the '''Karklins-Martinovsky variation''' has been tried occasionally, notably played by Magnus Carlsen in the 2018 World Chess Championship against Fabiano Caruana.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1937789 |title=Magnus Carlsen vs. Fabiano Caruana, 2018 |website=Chessgames.com}}</ref> Temporarily blocking the d-pawn, White's knight will eventually make way for it by rerouting to f4. 4...Nxe4 5. Qe2 Qe7 6. Nf4 Nf6 7. d4 Qxe2+ 8. Bxe2 Nc6 {{chess/not|+}}. [[/4. Nc4|'''4. Nc4!?''']], the '''Paulsen attack''', avoids blocking the d-pawn, but is no more effective than 4. Nd3 according to the engine. The knight usually ends up falling back to e3. [[/4. Nxf7|'''4. Nxf7?!''']] is the '''Cochrane gambit''', a double-edged but dubious gambit. White sacrifices their knight to drive Black's king out into the open and keep the initiative. After 4...Kxf7 5. d4 Nxe4? is a mistake due to 6. Qh5+ g6 7. Qd5+ Kg7 8. Qxe4 {{chess/not|++}}. ==Theory table== {{ChessTable}} '''1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left">4</th> <th align="left">5</th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Main line</span></th> <td>[[/4. Nf3|Nf3]]<br>-</td> <td>-<br>Nxe4</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Cochrane Gambit</span></th> <td>[[/4. Nxf7|Nxf7]]<br>-</td> <td>-<br>Kxf7</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Karklin-Marklovsky Variation</span></th> <td>Nd3!?<br>-</td> <td>-<br>Nxe4</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Paulsen Attack</span></th> <td>Nc4!?<br>-</td> <td>-<br>Nxe4</td> <td>=</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} === See also === {{wikipedia|Petrov Defence}} {{BCO2}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} cx7kx38w49zfer59hkcv2vxsmyqf2nq 0 102775 4639344 3472922 2026-06-08T17:17:14Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639344 wikitext text/x-wiki <div align="center"> <span style="font-face:'Perpetua'; font-size:xx-large"><i>An Accessible and Useful Introduction to Foucault's Major Works.</i></span></div> ==Contents== # [[/Introduction/]] {{stage short|100%}} # [[/Life/]] {{stage short|100%}} # [[/Contexts/]] {{stage short|25%}} # [[/Overview of Ideas in Foucault's Major Writings/]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/Madness and Civilization (1961)| ''Madness and Civilization'' (1961)]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/The Birth of the Clinic (1963)| ''The Birth of the Clinic'' (1963)]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/The Order of Things (1966)| ''The Order of Things'' (1966)]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/The Archaeology of Knowledge (1969)| ''The Archaeology of Knowledge'' (1969)]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/Discipline and Punish (1975)| ''Discipline and Punish'' (1975)]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/The History of Sexuality (1976-84)| ''The History of Sexuality'' (1976-84)]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/Conclusions/]] {{stage short|00%}} # [[/Recommended Reading/]] {{stage short|00%}} {{Alphabetical|S}} {{Shelves|Nonfiction literature}} {{status|0%}} p72v2qwn93l10x0rrm8ays6iaqcytw5 0 104067 4639383 4628134 2026-06-08T17:56:37Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639383 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Alekhine's defence |eco=[[Chess/ECOB|B02]] |parent=[[../|Alekhine's defence]] }} == 4. c4 == White grabs even more space and kicks the knight away. Doing so now, before any trades of the e-pawn, prevents 4...Nf6. Of the available squares, only b6 and b4 are not defended. However, '''4...Nb4??''' loses due to 5. Qa4+!, forking the knight, and Black must lose a piece. If 5...N4c6 to block the check, the knight is pinned and falls to 6. d5. 5...N8c6 to block the pin runs into 6. d5 too. A tricky line is 5...N8c6 6. d5 b5! 7. cxb5 Nd4, where 8. Qxb4?? Nc2+! wins Black the queen. White must start with 8. Na3 to control c2 before picking up the knight. Therefore, [[/4...Nb6|'''4...Nb6''']] is the best move. Then, White must address the threat of ...dxe5. The chief options are to capture first (5. exd6, the exchange variation, eliciting 5...cxd6 and 5...exd6 equally frequently), or 5. f4 (to recapture on e5 with a pawn, the four pawns attack). White could still play 5. Nc3 intending to recapture that way (5...Bg4 6. exd6 transposing into the Alekhine variation of the main line). Presumably White does not wish to recapture with the d-pawn (e.g. 5. Nc3?! dxe5 6. dxe5 Qxd1+ 7. Nxd1 Nc6 with tempo {{chess/not|--}}). ==Theory table== {{ChessTable}} '''1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small">4</span></th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small"></span></th> <td><span style="font-size:small">...<br>[[/4...Nb6|Nb6]]</span> </td> <td><span style="font-size:small">=</span> </td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Alekhine's Defence}} {{ChessFooter}} 1qs7jl2wmetk0vwgs0zluhwuh9yy206 5 105094 4639409 4585038 2026-06-08T19:04:31Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639409 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk page header}} == Freedoms, editorial control and copyright ownership == The original text did have all this factors included as to make the distinction on what ownership meant in the specific contexts, recently people have focused more on establishing that no one has editorial control on works (I think that it is consensual and already expressed on other policies texts, probably not as emphatically as some would wish). The proposal draft was and is seen as necessary to clarify contributing Wikibookians about copyright issues, our new [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] (July 2009) makes a real improvement on what was originally available at the time the proposal was first drafted, but it is still specific on establishing users and Wikimedia, responsibilities, requirements and freedoms, not in establishing or clarifying authorship/copyright rights, attributions, requirements and limitations. Some of these are very specific to the Wikibooks project and ultimately will require our community approval. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC) :I very much liked Darklama's [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Ownership&oldid=1985145 previous version]. I would like to suggest we revert back to this version and move forward from there. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 00:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC) ::I have proposed to Darklama to include that statements in the Be Bold that already deals with the problem of editorial control (if you have the time read the discussion that lead to the adoption of the Be Bold text). I do not, and don't know of anyone today that opposing the views that Darklama condensed on that edit, I even don't object to have it included on this draft, but the point of the text is about copyright ownership not editorial control. See this talk page history for more information. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC) ::: I have read through the history diff by diff. My conclusion is that, of the people that have taken part in the talk page you are the unique person claiming that this page is about copyright. ::: Granted, there was much discussion of copyright in the history in response to points you have raised. But everyone else seemed to be clear that this was not what the page was about. ::: But it was pointed out many times by Whiteknight [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Ownership&diff=696983&oldid=696127], [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Ownership&diff=697972&oldid=697969], [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Ownership&diff=712554&oldid=712258], [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Ownership&diff=next&oldid=828657]. By SB_Johnny [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Ownership&diff=698427&oldid=698423], and Darklama [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks_talk:Ownership&diff=700543&oldid=700115]. The other participants Robert Horning and Jguk never explicitly state one way or another what the page should be about. ::: Overall, I agree with the sentiments above that this page has ''nothing'' to do with copyright. And seeing that others feel the same I am going to be bold and go back to DL's version. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 04:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC) : Which are very specific to Wikibooks and why are they specific to Wikibooks? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC) ::Our specific requirements of attribution (not the same as Wikipedia), definition of author, the author page, the benefits of having stated licensing of the works. I know your opinion, by our previous discussions that you see little point on this issues but I ask you to respect mine and others that also have stated opposition to your sole satisfaction with the submit statement, to what we previously discussed and pointed limitation. IIRC the last issue on that front was on the volatility of the statement and the lack of discussion regarding it's changes. Note that I'm not promoting a discussion on these subjects now only attempting to remind you of past discussions about the subject of copyright in general, that you seem to have forgotten. ::The information present here is not irrelevant and is not duplicated elsewhere, it can be easily extended to clarify our dual licensing scheme that to most users should be confusing and enable a future discussion regarding relicensing of works beyond the Wikibooks licenses among other issues relevant only to copyright owners. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC) ::: The definition of an author is no different here than anywhere else. While there are author pages the need for them is even less now than before. People are no longer obligated to refer to the authors to give credit when reusing book material and can instead just link back. I'm not sure what the current status is on stating licensing of works, I have noticed some Licensing pages have been deleted over time. I see even less point on these issues now than I did back than because of CC-BY-SA and a link back being sufficient attribution. I believe there isn't a need to clarify the licensing scheme because people don't need to use the GFDL license at all unless they want to. ::: I believe it would be a good idea to find out from Whiteknight what his intentions were and if necessary rename this page to "Wikibooks:Copyright_ownership" to avoid continued ambiguity. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC) ::: Actually there isn't any need to ask Whiteknight, unless you are still confused on his intentions for this proposal. He has stated it many times [[Wikibooks talk:Ownership/Archive 1#Fixes and Copyright Stuff|including his last comments from 2007]]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC) ::::Yes and no. Due to the nomenclature used by the software the word author has been extremely abused, we had already discussed this issues, but I'm game to rehash the subject again if you fell it is important at this time. An editor is not an author for instance the C++ Programming book has (according to [http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/EN/Wikibooks_EN.htm#13 stats.wikimedia.org])166 registered '''authors'''. ::::I fact it has 166 editors, this is a non issue on Wikipedia (since there is no ownership over each encyclopedic article is not possible, only the over the aggregation). As I often stated Wikibooks is completely different in this respect, the closest project to us on copyrights procedure and overall structure is Wikisource. In any case you already know all these arguments I do fail to realize your purpose in failing to acknowledge already established positions. ::::The current status on stating the licensing of the works was achieved in a discussion that we had on Rob's talk page IIRC, it was determined that even if it was beneficial to clearly state the licensing on each individual work and the people that specifically own rights over them (as to permit among other things future license changes). That there was not a consensus on the best implementation, required verifiability of identity and that ownership must be claimed by contributors (not attributed, attributions are only necessary if using other works, per the licenses). The community also discussed the particular problem regarding print versions and in general the generation of stand alone copies of the works, as requiring the inclusion of the GFDL, at the time the only license (one of the particular issues we, me and you, clashed on). Today it is debatable if only the simple acknowledgment of CC-BY-SA suffices, this is the specific reason why in the works I participate as an author I clearly state adhesion only to the CC-BY-SA license (the GFDL will only be valid on the aggregation, under the submit statement concept). ::::I have a good memory of the past events, this specific draft was created in response to the claims being attributed to me about editorial control and the confusion regarding the point I was making about copyright ownership, Whiteknight created this page during one of the times I was blocked, discussion that lead directly to the 27 February 2007 RfD of the C++ book. ::::In any case I don't think that discussion of this draft is particular important and going anywhere at this moment, as we are only restating previously known positions, most of the subject is not consensual and now sadly the consensual part has been removed under my objections. I will finish this discussion with a post stating my objections to the changes and basis for them. ::::I'm certainly more interested on your view of the fair use of images and how you came to that position on the request for permission and in having that request addressed... ::::PS:Of note that the phrase "''I believe there isn't a need to clarify the licensing scheme because people don't need to use the GFDL license at all unless they want to.''" doesn't have any value, it contradicts itself, it is equal to the statement "I believe that there is a need to clarify the licensing scheme if people want to use the GFDL license, even if people don't need to.", making it a failed argument. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:52, 2 December 2010 (UTC) I will just chime in and say that I have to agree with Darklama's comment on his talk page that [[wmf:Terms of Use]] and [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] cover copyrights and licensing. I've always thought of this page in the behavioral sense of owning books, though I admit I hadn't given it a good read. However, I like what I've seen so far in terms of changes made to bring it to the current state. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC) == Statement of objection == I'm hereby making a statement of objection against recent changes to the draft, done under objection by myself above in 1 Dec 2010, as a clear bypassing of the normal process to archive consensus and a clear disregard and nullification of the discussion attempt that was taking place.<br> My objection is based on the intrinsic change to the draft text, that was focused in copyright issues to the issue of editorial control, this draft had a significant historical importance since it reflected a difficult process to get consensus in a subject that is extremely controversial, these changes put all references to the draft out of context (see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikibooks:Ownership]]) and disregard past Wikibookians work on it. Of note that I don't object to the statement about the editorial control but what started as a clarification was now made into the sole and primary content.<br> The draft I support is the one from [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Ownership&oldid=1908787 the edit by Adrignola, 9 August 2010] with the necessary updates (to reflect the CC-SA licenses ), reflected in [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Ownership&oldid=1985236 the edit by Panic2k4, 1 December 2010] (any other similar update would be valid). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 16:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC) :Well I would like to address the objections raised as best I can. I was not of the opinion I was bypassing of the normal process. I had read the page history as you suggested, and came to the conclusion that myself, Darklama, and the editors I linked above (Whiteknight, SB_Johnny) felt this was a page about editorial control. The only editor that seemed to be advocating for this to be about copyright that I saw in the history was you. :Given that the latest version began "This text is about copyright ownership, licensing, responsibility and requirements, not about editorial control." I felt this version of the text missed represented the consensus. My intention was to go back to something a few of us agreed upon and imporve it from there. Overall I don't feel there has been any real shift in the focus of the text. No work has been thrown away, this text is largly based on what had been there before. It is just that I had a new interest in revisiting this proposed policy and see if it is possible to shape it into a full fledged policy. :From reading of the talk page history the consensus seemed to be that copyright concerns deserve their own page, and they were given their own page ([WB:Copyrights]]). Is their an issue that the terms of use and copyrights pages fail to cover? What do you think is missing from the current set of policies that need further explanation?that you feel should be made clear here? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 07:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC) ::The revision changes I objected above regards [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks%3AOwnership&action=historysubmit&diff=1985795&oldid=1985236 this reposition you made]. I have no particular interest beyond establishing consensus in the a community interpretation of the copyright law and licenses that affect us here and our creations outside of the project. There are extremely divergent views on these subjects of core importance, in any case I wasn't the creator of this draft, even if I and others did participate in writing it my motivation was to get those points established and visible to other contributors. My feelings is due to the work/time and discussions done on that regard to bring it to that state that will be as good as lost. ::I note again the sequence of actions and not only on this page. In your position after seeing that I already had contacted the Wikibookian about my position and objection to the change explaining why, I would have participated with my opinion on the ongoing discussion until I had a felling for the issue. ::I wouldn't have performed a reversal but considering that I would, I would have been impartial and reverted both changes, but I wouldn't execute a reversal against one of the persons having a dispute, especially considering that the two persons already had a checkered past in dealing exactly with this subject matter. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC) ::: Your feedback is very welcome, and something I will think about. Sometimes I make mistakes, and it could be that decision was one of them. But where do we go from here? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC) :::: Just reminding you that actions do accumulate and resonate, when using the written word perceptions is everything and memory is long. At this point we are mostly finished on this subject since by your own fulminating action you have decided against my position, in fact as I like to say, you ignored my right to block, and acted on a majority decision that you support, we can even say that you did exactly what the draft text attempts to prevent, you exerted unilateral editorial control over the text, that is the only result of an edit reversal... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC) ::::: These are very strong words (I had to look up fulminating, and… wow, that is a strong description of my actions). I really don't intend to decide against your position. I simply felt the version you put forward did not reflect the consensus of the other editors on the page. I have never held consensus needed to be unanimous. So concepts like a "right to block" simply never entered my mind. I have been on the wrong side of consensus many times and never had (nor wanted) to block a community decision by my disagreement with it. Over all I don't believe a right to block exists. The key point of it to me is that we continue to try to work together and make sure your concerns are addressed in a manner agreeable to everyone. Which is really what the questions above are really trying to get to the heart of. :::::: This ultimately is a public forum and the perception of ones actions is of extreme importance (I have learned that in a hard way). Even if I have came to know how you roll and am extremely appreciative of your capacity to argument a point, especially when we don't see eye-to-eye, as it make me reexamine my positions and actions. Ultimately this is also a political game, even if I believe in your good intentions I must put myself in your position as to consider your motivations and actions so to provide a valid, satisfying and useful response. :::::: On the right to block, a value that I think is extreme importance for the safeguard of minority views and the community well being. It is covered and supported on the [[Wikibooks:Decision making]] process step 6, with a reenforcement or prioritization of the necessity to repeat the process if a valid objection is not lifted. I don't defend that consensus is unanimity (all in agreement), it is a state of non stated opposition. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC) :::::: Ok, I suppose I misunderstood what you meant by "right to block", which is not quite the phrase I might have used to describe step 6. IIRC there was some feeling that the particular processes was not the only accepted one for determining consensus, which is why the wording was [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Decision_making&diff=803252&oldid=803250 changed slightly] to allow for the fact that other methods are accepted and frequently employed and I was not following it particularly here. I take your point about politics. I can understand the value of putting yourself in my position and considering my motivations. :::::: I suppose my view of consensus involves stating opposition when opposition exists. I think now I understand some of the discussion about reconfiguring a bit better, and perhaps some of our previous disagreements stem from the different ways we think of consensus. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 04:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC) :The possibility that the page was once used in a different way is a valid concern that should be looked into. Following the links you suggested (excluding some clearly unnecessary redirects, etc.) This is my opinion of now people were using this page in discussions. :* [[User talk:DavidCary]] - DavidCary links in discussion of editorial control. :* [[User talk:Panic2k4]] - Panic links about planned essay on Copyright. :* [[User talk:Remi0o]] - Panic links, used in terms of explain his view on the differences between author/contributor over in relation to [[C++ Programming/About the Book/Authors]] :* [[User:Whiteknight/Behavior Summary]] - Links from an a short essay about behavior and editorial control. :* [[User talk:Robert Horning]] - Linked in a request Roberts opinion about the page. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2006/December]] - Linked to say [[WB:DM]] has derived some sections from this page. Doesn't seem to be discussing any copyright issues, consistent with views he expressed in this talk page. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General]] - Link by thenub314 soliciting input to this page. :* [[Talk:C++ Programming/About the Book/Authors]] - Link by thenub314 explaining how he became aware of the corresponding book page. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2008/January]] - Link by Mike.lifeguard about editorial control. (But he does mention GFDL, so maybe this is questionable) :* [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Physics Handbook]] - Link by thenub314 about editorial control. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Bulletin Board/2006]] - page creation announcement "in response to recent events". At the time of posting the page only discussed editorial controls and not copyright. :* [[User talk:Darklama]] A discussion between Panic and Darklama about recent edits. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/2008/November]] - Linked by Panic in a discussion about copyright infringment. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2009/April]] - Lined by Panic in a discussion about copyright infringment (started by thenub314.) :* [[User talk:Arlen22]]- Linked to by Panic in order to explain [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=C%2B%2B_Programming/About_the_Book/Authors&diff=next&oldid=1602820 removing Arlen22] from the author list of [[C++ Programming]] :* [[Talk:Marijuana Cultivation]] - Linked to by Adrignola in comparison to WP policy (which is not about copyrights) but copyrights were part of the issue, so the intention of this link could be seen as ambiguous. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2009/December]] - Linked to by Panic in a discussion about using an Authors real name. :* [[User talk:QuiteUnusual/Archive 2]] - Linked by Panic in a discussion of copyright. :* [[Cookbook talk:Table of Contents/Archive 7]] - Linked by WebAware in the sense of editorial control. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/2007/April]] - linked to a few times by Panic in a discussion about an edit conflict over [[C++ Programming/About the Book/Authors]]. :* [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2007/April]] - Linked by Panic in a discussion of authors and attribution. :Overall my conclusion is that, excluding links by you directly people were generally using this page in discussions of editorial control. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 07:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC) ::That conclusion seems partial :). Why should the use I gave the page have less importance? The important here is not the originator but the receptor. ::Anyway I already expressed my views about the draft and if more people agree with the intended future use for it so be it, I will remove my objection. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC) ::: It wasn't my intention to make your contributions seem less important. The only point is that your here making your point of view clear. And you feel the point of the page was not about editorial control, you didn't object to editorial control being part of the page, but the core focus of the page seemed to be about copyright and licensing concerns. ::: I suppose I wanted to make the point, was that copyright concerns were not how the page is being used in discussions, and that people will probably not get confused by context if we shift the meaning of the text now. (Not that I really think we have but maybe I am biased.) Since your here to witness the sift, I am sure you'd use the page appropriately in discussions. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC) == Authors == One thing, that perhaps could be made clearer is the issue of Authorship. I don't think it would be very appropriate for me to add anything about it at the moment, given that I am in a disagreement with Panic about the appropriateness of adding myself as an author of [[C++ Programming]]. But I do feel that the history here leaves something to be discussed. For example there was some initial conflict about who could be listed in the page: [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=C%2B%2B_Programming/About_the_Book/Authors&diff=next&oldid=821846], [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=C%2B%2B_Programming/About_the_Book/Authors&diff=next&oldid=821939], [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=C%2B%2B_Programming/About_the_Book/Authors&diff=next&oldid=823095], this was perhaps unusual because the names being added were not by the people adding them (with the exception of Darklama who now choses not to include his name on the book). Later Arlen22 attempted to add his name to the page (it was his first edit to the book, but was followed by other edits) and it was removed [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=C%2B%2B_Programming/About_the_Book/Authors&diff=next&oldid=1602820]. And later, after reading about the initial edit conflict in the history of this page I decided to add my name to the list. (In case anyone is curious yes I really did contribute a couple years ago). And this was followed by a long discussion about what it means to be "an author", and Panic felt my contributions were not extensive enough, I felt differently. But I self reverted to return things to the status quo for the time being. :I have also done the same verification in other works that I'm not listed as author, or even contribute too. Of importance to note is the wording of the list, some clearly list contributors or contributions (or derivations) in authors/license pages. I have also removed people from those lists if they had not made any contribution to the works and in performed similar verifications/corrections in works that clearly list authors, IIRC never based on "ratio" or quality of contributions. The only requirement in those types of lists is that the persons adds or removes itself from these last. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC) I am personally of the opinion that the terms author/editor/contributor/etc. should be treated as synonyms in the wikibooks context, and that anyone who makes a "significant edit" (something slightly more then adding a {{tlx|BookCat}} should be considered an author on equal footing with anyone else who contributed to the book. Panic, if I understand correctly, feels there is and should be a distinction between these terms. Further, that an author has both special rights (and liabilities?) in terms of relicensing the work. (I could misunderstand, but I believe this is the whole book, as he can always relicense his own contributions. He will explain better I am sure.) :My view is not specific about labels, nor treatment, only a statement that they in fact reflect different relations between the volunteer and the content he/she provides. The exact definitions of authorship (or copyright holder, that may not be the same) is hard to establish due to the various laws (regional and international) that it would have to cover, but in the previous version of the text we already had made much clearer to those interested in the subject (mostly contributors, the term of use is in general directed to reuse/distribution and the Wikimedia requirements, all very distinct subjects). I don't particularly defend "author" beyond what constitutes authorship in a legal setting, I see that as extremely important for works to be "real" outside of the Wikibook project, in fact I see that as something that would get us more valuable contributions and more volume. It would also address the ad-hoc way the situation has been always treated, I was by no means the first one to point to this issue or use an author/license page. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC) I want to make very clear that I am making no accusations of right or wrong. There is simply different points of view about the words should mean here at wikibooks. It might be interesting to glance at our more detailed discussion at [[Talk:C++ Programming/About the Book/Authors]]. :The point is why should they have another meaning in the first place? And that links to the need to educate. The use of the word author on the Wikimedia software is an historical artifact (and I already explained why). I haven't verified but I'm certain that those that contributed content to Wikisource are strangely "authors" of those contributions. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC) I feel we should either explain the difference between these terms are (Roughly how much of a contribution must be made before one becomes an author of a book? What rights do you give up by not listing yourself as the author? What liabilities do you expose yourself to if you do list yourself as an author? etc.) Or if we decide there is no difference, we should explicitly make that clear in the text as well. Since it is a matter that can lead to some confusion. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub]][[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 08:13, 3 December 2010 (UTC) :The removed distinctions, and other considerations still in need to be created are relevant in regards to the legal protection of the project, the works and those contributors of intellectual propriety that so require. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC) I think it would be a good idea to avoid mixing issues. How about [[Wikibooks:Authorship]] for proposing what the policy should be on authors? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC) :No objection here, but I don't think we need, or should, build it to be a policy, at best a guideline if that (or as an unstable version of [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]]) . The issue is that we will be attempting to establishing a common ground on what are already defined legal matters (even if some things are open to interpretation as never legally tested) we will also be making terms or nomenclature clearer to the community. These are things that would have been best done by Wikimedia itself but for past discussion with people in the know there isn't even consensus on the subject there, and some issues are specific to Wikibooks. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC) == Is the rule obsolete? Should it be corrected? == The rule that an author cannot refuse a modification of his or her book contradicts the usual practice on Wikibooks. Completed books usually have one or a few more or less identified authors. It is natural. There has to be a strong will for a book to be completed. That Wikibooks have authors does not prevent them from working cooperatively, between authors, and between authors and readers. See [1] (in french). This is why I think the rule you mentioned is obsolete, except in the rare cases when a book has not a clearly defined author, or list of coauthors. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 12:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC) : Wikibooks are not owned. This is how Wikibooks works; it is and has been (afaik; certainly for the nine-plus years I've been here) standard practice. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 13:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :: My practice in the english-speaking Wikibooks community is too reduced, so I cannot say. "Own" is ambiguous. Of course, wikibooks are given freely. But in the french-speaking Wikibooks community we respect authors and authorship. This means that an author, when there is one, can refuse unwanted modifications. Do you think this is a bad rule ? --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 14:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :: I will modify this page in a way which seems to me the best for the future of Wikibooks. This is not a french invasion. If the english-speaking Wikibooks community does not like the french way, they are of course free to modify my modifications, or to suppress them. [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 15:15, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::: I think this page could be rephrased a little to make things clearer (and of course, like so much stuff on en.wb, it's never been made "official"). Ownership seems to be to be fundamentally contrary to the concept of en.wb. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 15:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::: What is not true? Could you be more precise ? [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 15:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::: The present rule dissuade most authors in the world from writing on Wikibooks. Why dissuade them ? There are many ways to work cooperatively. Why do you want to forbid our way ? If I can not refuse unwanted modifications on my books - I signed them, it is nonsense. Like you I want Wikibooks to be a wonderful library and I work hard for that. Why exclude authors like me who want to work cooperatively with readers and other authors and be responsible for their books? [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 16:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::::The "official" process is just to vote on [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote]] in favor or against this policy. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 16:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::::: I will try this. But first I have to do some homework - reading what already exists. My "fight" for this authorship right was not my aim when I began to work on Wikibooks, thirteen years ago. When I wrote my two books, I knew that there would be no authorship right, and I did not want any. I hoped a little that other authors would help me but I knew from experience that it would probably not happen. Now that my books are completed, I still hope a little that other authors would bring complementary chapters, or useful criticism. But I do not want anyone to be allowed to disrupt my work, or to feel free to do with it what he or she wants. I want to be responsible for my book. It seems to me that my reaction is natural, and that most Wikibooks authors feel the same. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 17:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::: I don't think any vote has been conducted over at that page in all the time I've been on Wikibooks. What few such votes we've had in modern times have been, to my recollection, at the proposals reading room. We'd want to discuss it first, I think. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 19:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::: I have not read the main page as is but I'm aware of how things historically and in practice worked on site and do have my own convictions that Wikimedia has always refrained (I would say intentionally refused) to make clear to all beyond protecting their own copyrights/legal liabilities. ::::: As I read the post above I think I see some confusion or improper of definitions. If I remember correctly this page was started under another name by myself (or as a result for my own efforts or making things clear) it was later renamed into this more aggressive name (aggressive to the intentions of most of us when participating in the project). ::::: Thierry Dugnolle: "The rule that an author cannot refuse a modification of his or her book contradicts the usual practice on Wikibooks." ::::: Not so. Anyone, not only authors can reject modifications, even non contributing editors. Specific books/projects can create (and have) their own subset of rules for editing (subset, as in non infringing on the main wikibooks rules). The only issue is that ultimately any edit conflicts if not resolved amicably will be haphazardly open to forced resolution by the sysops (sysops are only on recent years selected under a more strick set of requirements and often their capability to handle this disputes is not a consideration). ::::: Thierry Dugnolle: "Completed books usually have one or a few more or less identified authors." ::::: Often do in the form or author or attribution pages. Note that there are different communal factions on this regard. A majority that does not care about this subject culturally, ethically or morally or even about the legal considerations. A larger minority that seem to intentional make this subject harder to clarify or work to make them system dependent, this is the general position of wikimedia. In my view they seem to feel that it may be confusing or even barrier to get a larger number of contributors onto the project and even open themselves for liability. Then there is a very small minority, that I include myself that would like to see this subjects made more clear to all especially those that may have higher aspirations or considerations for the works in general and content contributors in this we at wikibooks, wikisource and probably wikinews should be at forefront on this area this projects are often attributed to authors (signed, owned) so with stronger rights attached. ::::: Pi zero: "Wikibooks are not owned." ::::: It depends on what you are refereeing too. Everyone retains ownership on all and every contribution they made and can claim rights over. Wikimedia is only granted s specific set of rights over the content. This can be important for re-licensing works and even to take legal actions. [[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 19:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::::: Panic2k4: When I say wikibooks are not owned, I mean nobody gets to say &mdash; in content space &mdash; "you can't change it because it's mine." --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 19:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::: This is precisely the point on which we disagree. For me, if a book is my work, it's mine and I have the right to refuse any change I do not like. See my proposal [[WB:RFA]] --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 19:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::: Imagine that a contributor does not like my books, [[Handbook of epistemology]] or [[Quantum theory of observation]], that he wants to put them in accordance with his own ideas, and that I hate what he writes. If he says "I feel free to make of this book what I want and you have not any priority over me", I shall let him destroy my book, if I follow your rule. Is it really what you want ? --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 19:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::: As an administrator, do you forbid authors to protect their work ? Do you think all authors should be afraid that their work could be destroyed the next morning ? If you do, I will never work again on Wikibooks. [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 20:14, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::: Ownership is not control and control is not ownership. In fact confusing the two has historically been a problem, not only in regards to the topic at hand but a real civilizational dilemma. Control has degrees and scales but is ultimately an absolutist shared mental construct that is defined by the capability to maintain and enforce the (legal) rights of ownership, often established by force or contest. Ownership on the other hand, more often than not, does not need continued effort and has different natures like cultural, moral, ethical or legal. [[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 20:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::::::: Thierry Dugnolle, you can't enforce control on wikibooks or any other wikimedia project without communal concent, as I said before you can establish a subsection of communal agreements (rules) on projects but ultimately it would be for the sysops to enforce in case of an hard dispute. [[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 20:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::::: What I want is to say to future authors that their work will be respected, that they will be protected against anyone if they want it. Do you think it is a bad rule ? I do not want to enforce it. I just hope that everyone will agree. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 20:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC) :::::::::: {{ping|Thierry Dugnolle}} We do not allow original research on Wikibooks. We also do not allow someone to put something up here and then say "you can't touch it, because it's mine!". No more do we allow someone else to muscle in on a book with an active contributor base and ignore consensus. Books here are collaborative; ''everyone'' has to respect that. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 00:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::::::: I will never say "You can't touch it, because it's mine" but "Touch it as much as you want. If I don't like it, I will erase what you wrote, and you can't protest because it's my work". Am I wrong ? --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 00:41, 29 April 2017 (UTC) :::::::::::: You don't inherently have absolute veto on edits to the book. Though in a particular case, you ''might'' be right; who knows? That's a difficulty with hypothetical situations. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 01:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC) :::::::::::: I don't need this absolute veto. I would never have to use it. But why do you want to frighten writers with a hypothetical situation which would never happen ? :::::::::::: Since there was a conflict of edition, the following answer comes a little late : What is the book with the active contributor base ? Why did I muscle in it ? Why do you say I ignored consensus ? It is what I work for. I also think that wikibooks are collaborative, and I respect it. In their largest parts, my books expose standard knowledge, not original research. It seems that you misrepresent me. [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 01:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::::::::::::: No, I do not misrepresent you. I simply point out that we know the content involved is not inherently yours because OR isn't allowed.{{pbri}}You keep claiming this is something that is the way things already are. In fact, there are various situations in which an active community (sometimes an active community of one) on a book may exercise a consensus to object to certain kinds of changes. The process of adopting an abandoned book is discussed somewhere around here; we encourage caution in assuming just because you don't see active editing taking place on a book that there's no-one in its current community. In effect, the intentions of past contributors to a book are generally given some degree of weight in considering future changes . But it's all very fluid, with infinite variations depending on the circumstances of a book; trying to impose simple hard rules and make them policy is asking for trouble. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 01:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC) :::::::::::::: I don't want Wikibooks to be a text repository. I don't want to be an owner. But as long as Wikibooks let me work, I want to be an active worker. My working conditions are already good. I don't want them to change. What I want is to attract new workers with the guarantee that they will work in good conditions. I will never need to use the rule ''An author can refuse unwanted modifications'', at least I hope so. All I want is to say it, because without it, many writers don't want to work on Wikibooks. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 01:48, 29 April 2017 (UTC) :::::::::::::: Here is what I wrote in the [https://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikilivres/Introduction#Le_travail_coop.C3.A9ratif french Wikibooks of rules] : '''Cooperative work''' To hope to make a book by the spontaneous encounter between several authors who begin to work on the same subject is a beautiful idea, but too often it does not work, unless the book responds to a collective will (such as this help book). The books begun with the hope that other authors will complete them remain generally unfinished. On the other hand, other forms of cooperation work very well: * Make additions to existing books, * Criticize or request clarification (the discussion pages are for that purpose), * Just to correct minor mistakes (typographical, ...) when one reads, * Help a contributor, novice or not, who does not know all the useful techniques (wikicode, ...), * Ask for help or advice, ... The possibility of cooperative work distinguishes Wikibooks from other free online publishing sites. It enables authors and readers to get out of their isolation, to help others and to be helped by them. : Do you think I want Wikibooks to be a text repository ?[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 01:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC) :: I see you alternate between saying you don't want to change anything, and proposing to change things. From time to time in discussions you make moderate statements that don't imply ownership, but when you propose policy you write ownership into it. I'm unable to find a stable position in what you say. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 02:07, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::: What policy did I propose into which I wrote ownership ? There is no such thing in [[WB:RFA]]. [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 03:07, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::: I say, my work. But I reason as a worker, not as an owner. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 03:13, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::: I suppose you meant the sentence : "If a book is my work, it's mine, and I have the right to refuse any change I do not like." I deleted "it's mine". But I still think I have the right to refuse unwanted modifications. It is not the right of an owner. It is the right of a worker. [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 03:21, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::: The authors I have in mind, responsible for their textbooks, are active workers. Even if their book is completed, they are still present on Wikibooks, because their book is supposed to evolve with the progress of knowledge and because they know other contributors can give additions, criticize or demand clarification. If they are more generous they can of course help others in many other ways. If an author abandons his book, he gives up his responsibility to the community. In this way, Wikibooks can not be a text repository. [[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 03:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::: As an administrator you probably see problems I cannot see. If you think about inappropriate content, this is a separate issue. That an author is responsible for his or her book does not mean that anything can be published. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC) ::: Except on my user page, or to answer other's questions, I won't write anything anymore on this subject. I wrote enough. ::: If you think that as a newcomer in the english-speaking Wikibooks community, I have been incorrect, you might be right. I almost didn't do any cooperative work, I did a little more in the french community, and I like too much verbal "fights". I try to remain civil, but as an administrator, you should be careful with a nuisance like me. ::: If you think the page [[WB:RFA]] has not its place in Wikibooks, you can do with it what you think is the best for the community : delete it, or put on it anything which says that it does not belong to Wikibooks. I won't protest. You said the presentation of Wikibooks could be improved, so that future authors would be more confident. I'm waiting for seeing that. ::: A final word about my purpose. I think that for scientists Wikibooks is the best place to write a textbook, because it gives the best working conditions, through cooperative work. I hope that they will understand it, and that many of them will come to work with us. I want them to know that Wikibooks is the right way to write a textbook. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 10:53, 29 April 2017 (UTC) == Why exclude almost all scientists from Wikibooks ? == The advice "Do not contribute your content to Wikibooks if you do not want other people using your contents in whatever way they want without your express permission" cannot be accepted by almost all scientists who could otherwise want to write their textbooks on Wikibooks. Why exclude them ? Do you think you can make of Wikibooks a great scientific library if you exclude almost all scientists from it ? {{unsigned|Thierry_Dugnolle}} :There cannot be restrictions on the content here for it to be free culture. For instance, anyone has the right to fork or mirror Wikibooks in its entirety or partially or to copy it to a DVD and sell it or to print it with an on-demand printer and sell copies at bookstores. How would a scientist be able to control all of those...? And if you're granting that he can't (preview: he can't), then are you suggesting that only Wikibooks proper be under his control but everyone else be able to propagate whatever versions of the text he'd like? It just makes no sense. I have yet to see any actual, substantial problem that is solved by this proposal. Can you please point me to a user who would otherwise work here but isn't because it's an open wiki? Can you show me diffs of edits that you would like to have undone but couldn't? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 17:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC) :: I don't want unwanted modifications to be published under my name. Am I wrong ? :: About other scientists, I don't know. I think [[WB:OWN]] prevents them from working with us and that [[WB:RFA]] would be an improvement. If we want to know, we have to ask. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 17:48, 1 May 2017 (UTC) :::{{Ping|Thierry Dugnolle}} Published under your name...? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 18:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC) :::: Yes. Don't you know that Wikibooks can be signed ? See my [[Handbook of epistemology]] for example or [[Algorithms]]. --[[User:Thierry Dugnolle|Thierry Dugnolle]] ([[User talk:Thierry Dugnolle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thierry Dugnolle|contribs]]) 18:09, 1 May 2017 (UTC) ::::: {{Ping|Thierry Dugnolle}} These pages are all published under all of our names: attribution is a requirement of the CC license that we have. E.g. ''this'' page when published should give your username, mine, and a slew of others. Any medium that publishes this page should include all of those names. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 18:44, 1 May 2017 (UTC) :::::: Not as you seem to describe above. Contributors (not all but most) are not authors (authors are those that have at least the copyright over the work contributed and in what remains the final aggregate) and even those, only the top authors of an aggregation may aspire to be included on any author attribution by the publisher of a work. Note also that Wikibooks is not WIkipedia there most content cab easely be covered by a simple attribution to Wikipedia and that authorship is not granted but claimed. [[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 05:07, 3 May 2017 (UTC) 0q6ih1f58g8tx849rg9lqak6tnpidhd 1 107441 4639421 4342271 2026-06-08T19:21:14Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639421 wikitext text/x-wiki == Untitled first section by DavidHouse == This page is getting there. Some stuff I'd still like to do: * More exercises * Diagrammatic explanations of CT concepts == Monad laws are incorrect == Hi all. I was looking over the monad laws section and noticed some errors in the first and second laws. The first law is incorrect because join cannot be composed with join since it is a function from M^2 to M. The confusion here is on subscripts: the join_x can be lifted to join_{Mx} which will then be ok. It is better to write this as (join M) using the standard monad notion. I.e the first law should read jM.j = j.jM. See the wikipedia article on monads (category theory) for the correct commutative diagrams. There is a similar abuse of notation problem with the second law. This may be confusing to the inexperienced. I did not change them because of the following example would have to be altered as well. Perhaps a note about the abuse of notation would be sufficient since it will be awkward to explain the haskell code equivalent. -- Marc :The trouble comes from the fact that in Haskell, <code>join</code> is of polymorphic type <code>forall m, a . Monad m => m (m a) -> m a</code>. The parametrization on the monad <code>m</code> is not important here, but the parametric type variable <code>a</code> is. This makes it a function and a natural transformation at the same time with <code>a</code> being the type argument. The point is that the Haskell compiler will accept the composition <code>join . join</code> because it can figure out that the first <code>join</code> takes the base type <code>m X</code> if the other takes a base type <code>X</code>. In other words, it will infer the subscripts automatically. I'm unsure what to do here, but I suspect that this has to be explained at some point anyway. -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC) :: I agree that it is just an abuse of notation and that it doesn't affect the code since the compiler is smart enough to figure out what is going on. This is why I didn't go trampling through the page making changes. I do think that it is worth mentioning that this happens for clarity. ::Perhaps something like: Notice that the subscript on the second join is actually Mx so that this composition is proper from a category-theoretic standpoint, but since join is of polymorphic type in Haskell the compiler understands which join is meant from context, so in (coding) practice the distinction is not important. -- Marc ::: Actually, I think I should have called it "type inference" instead of "compiler". From the Haskell point of view, "subscript" may be confusing :), it's "type specialization". Maybe something like: "note that the second <code>join</code> is specialized to the type <code>m (m (m a)) -> m (m a)</code>". ::: But the issue is more subtle than that: because of polymorphism, the category '''Hask''' allows to internalize not only morphisms but natural transformations as well. I'm not well-versed in category theory but I guess there is some construction corresponding to that? In particular, I suspect that the naturality laws 3 and 4 are [http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/topics/parametricity.html#free free theorems] (although I don't know whether higher kinded free theormes have been worked out yet). I think that this what makes innocent looking Haskell notation break with the standard category theory notation. ::: Maybe it's best to simply introduce natural transformations explicitely in the article and solve notational and conceptional problems with that. Hiding them is probably more confusing than giving a translation between Cat-speak and Haskell-speak. Actually, I like the <math>T\mu</math> notation more than subscripts or type inference because it results in more symmetric monad laws. -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 21:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC) :::: I am well versed in category theory, but fairly new to haskell. I'm using my category theory skills to understand haskell, which is how I ended up here. I think that laws 3 and 4 are ok -- they are just expressing the requirement that unit and join must be natural transformations. :::: I'm not sure if it is worth giving a significant introduction to natural transformations into the article, though a mention and a link to a wikipedia page might be appropriate. My main concern is just that the monad laws be replaced with their correct formulations so that others approaching this in the manner that I have won't have to wrestle with the laws for a while before figuring out that they are not what a category theorist would expect. (Normally I would not be such a stickler, but this is the category theory article after all.) I am, however, willing to help make the article more in-depth from a category-theoretic point of view. Perhaps in conjunction with more concepts we will find that we need to discuss natural transformations. [[User:Marc Harper|Marc Harper]] 02:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC) ::::: I agree, it's a category theory article, after all :) So, subscripts are important. I'm unsure on how to state the categorially correct monad laws without natural transformations? Concerning the introduction of concepts, the rule of thumb would be that a concept may be introduced as long as there is corresponding Haskell code for it. Of course, it's best introduced if it's also useful. Your additions would be most welcome! -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC) I think that we should use the <math>T\mu</math> notation and explain that the type system can infer the correct domain for (M join). For the reader that understands functors, this will not be suprising since monads are functors and we are basically just applying fmap to join to lift it to the correct domain. Natural transformations can be viewed as types of the form <math> \forall a, m a \to n a </math> for functors m and n, which should be sufficient for most readers. Once some more content is added that uses natural transformations and gives interesting examples of them it may be appropriate for a more detailed discussion of natural transformations. There is a lot of categorical content to be added -- even relatively simple constructions such as identifying tuple types at the categorical product. Does anyone know of a good reference for a categorical discussion of the properties of Hask? [[User:Marc Harper|Marc Harper]] 21:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC) :Agreed. :Note that the tuple is (unfortunately) not the categorial product :) This basically comes from the fact that <math>\perp \neq (\perp,\perp)</math>, i.e. the tuple type has an extra element <math>\perp</math> that breaks the universal property. The sum type (coproduct) <code>Either</code> has the same problem. For more on <math>\perp</math> ("bottom") and the semantics of general recursion, see [[Haskell/Denotational semantics]]. :AFAIK, there is no concretely worked out category theory behind '''Hask'''. In general, Lambda calculi are connected to cartesian closed categories. A quick google suggests [http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/qg-fall2006/ccc.html Cartesian closed categories and the λ-calculus] as trampoline. I don't know where to find a categorial construction of universal quantification <math>\forall a</math>, but the inventors of the polymorphic lambda calculus [[w:System F|System F]] are [[w:Jean-Yves Girard|Girard]] and [[w:John C. Reynolds|Reynolds]] and they have semantics for it. Then, there are initial algebra semantics for folds and generic programming in general. The "banana and barbed wires"-paper mentioned on the haskell wiki page [http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Category_theory] is one of the most famous in that direction. There is also the work of Moggi in [http://www.disi.unige.it/research/Categorical_semantics Categorial semantics], he mostly deals with monads. -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 11:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC) :: It is disappointing that it is not as elegant as it seems from the surface. Thanks for the references. -- Marc ::: What about restricting our attention to only strict functions in the category Hask? Then we seem to get better categorical properties. Also, if we consider types to be 'pointed' with basepoint <math>\perp</math> then we can get properties such as <math>\perp = (\perp,\perp)</math> by taking the product in the pointed category (much in analogy with pointed topological spaces). -- Marc [[User:74.139.215.32|74.139.215.32]] 01:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC) :::: I don't think that a restriction to strict functions makes things better. While (co)products may work out fine, function types won't: <code>() -> a</code> and <code>a</code> are not isomorphic, the former can be used to simulate call-by-name in a strict language. In other words, &perp; will still bite when considering function types. Usually, one restricts everything to total functions, thereby kicking out &perp; completely, and that does give a satisfying category. Partiality &perp; can then be modeled by a monad (I don't have a good reference for that but maybe [http://www.informatik.uni-bonn.de/~ralf/WG2.8/22/slides/tarmo.pdf] is a start). :::: For an introductory article like this one, I think the most reasonable thing to do is to mention the problem and otherwise declare all functions to be total :-) (The current article "allows" partial functions while ignoring them at the same time, I think that's a bit clumsy.) ::::-- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC) == Strong monads == There is another subtlety, namely the fact that every "monad" in Haskell is also a "strong monad", but not the other way round. See [http://www.disi.unige.it/person/MoggiE/ftp/ic91.ps.gz Moggi's paper]. This means that there is a natural transformation <pre> t :: Monad m => (a, m b) -> m (a,b) t x m = m >>= \b -> return (a,b) = join . fmap (\b -> return (a,b)) $ m </pre> Apparently, the category '''Hask''' offers quite a lot of objects for free. -- [[User:Apfelmus|<span style="color:lime">a</span><span style="color:yellow">p</span><span style="color:orange">f</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:red">l</span><span style="color:#770077">m</span><span style="color:blue">u</span><span style="color:black">s</span>]] 21:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC) == Powerset eq List Monad? == This may be irrelevant from a pedagogical standpoint, but most of the times I've heard category theorists talk about the list monad (in the operads world), they seem to view it as something in a symmetric monoidal category, i.e. tensor products of Thingies; and not using powersets -- the powerset analogy is slightly flawed in that it would disallow things like [2,3,2,2,1,2]. On the other hand, proposing a change that actually works out simple enough for an example to be good is over my own head right now. [[User:Michiexile|Michiexile]] 09:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC) : They are not the same. This is because sets are not ordered/indexed by default, i.e. a set would not contain the element 2 twice, but a list could. As far as illustrating the idea though, they are otherwise very similar. : To be precise about the distinction, if you consider sets with the monoidal structure introduced by the cartesian product, then you can view lists as element of a product of sets. (This allows the list elements to be of different types though, so it is more properly viewed as a tuple.) So... lists of length n (in Haskell) are really elements of A^n, the product of A with itself n-times. The proper category theoretic way to view this is to generate a category with the product and a set A. Then n-lists can be viewed as a monad. If you wanted to treat all lists similtaneously, you could toss in the element B=A^{\infty}. It still has a product (B x B = B) and you could consider lists of length n to be infinite lists where all terms after the n-th are zero. -- Marc :Since you mentioned operads, the connection here is that you can view operads as monoids in the monoidal category of symmetric families of a category... I think that a discussion of operads in the article would be unecessarily complicated at this time, and even though the powerset example is not quite the same I think that it is pedagogically sufficient. -- Marc == Right chapter? == This is in the "Time and space" chapter, but the only connection to time and space (which I understand to mean performance in this context) appears to be the mention of fusion - which is tangential, and doesn't, I think, justify this article's inclusion in this chapter. --[[User:Greenrd|Greenrd]] 21:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC) :Would it be reasonable to rename the Program correctness chapter to something more general and move this there? Actually... would program correctness be reasonable as is? -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 23:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC) :: I also think that it belongs to the chapter currently entitled "Program correctness" as this chapter intents to subsume anything about "Formal program manipulation". While "Program correctness" is too narrow for category theory to fit in, I have been reluctant to change the title because "Formal" could (unfortunately) scare people off. Maybe it's good idea to change the title anyway but to bait people with a subchapter "Why is my program correct?" which serves as a hands-on introduction to the "Formal program manipulation" subject? A sneakier version would be "Help, my program doesn't work" because the chapter won't tell anything about debugging, it will tell about "Program derivation from specification" and how to prove your programs do what they should. In short, it will show how to write correct programs in the first place. -- [[User:Apfelmus|Apfelmus]] 10:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC) == Category theory wikibook == Have you seen [[Category theory]]? -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 09:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC) == Suggestion == I know what a Set is, but I don't know what a Group is. Perhaps link to the wikipedia pages for these two things - so people can have access to the mathematical definition. == "Functors on Hask" paragraph == Another suggestion. Maybe it's me, maybe because English is not my first language, maybe because i'm a physicist, maybe because the word "map" has a lot of meanings, maybe a lot of things but... I've seen and heard "functors represent types that can be mapped over" and it never seems clear to me at all. Not even after i think i understood what they are. As an intuitive explanation, the "mapped over" has been to me as useful at saying "functors are functors". Can't it be added something like "functors are the generalization to categories of linear operators"? Or if i'm wrong, add an explanation of way the comparison doesn't hold. --[[User:Dragomang87|Dragomang87]] ([[User talk:Dragomang87|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dragomang87|contribs]]) 20:16, 14 November 2013 (UTC) :The intuition here comes from practical Haskell: "mapped over" there refers to how, for instance, <code>map</code> allows us to apply a function to each element of a list, so that {{nowrap|<code>map (2*) [1,2,3]</code>}} evaluates to <code>[2,4,6]</code>. If the <code>Functor</code> type class is unfamiliar to you, check [[Haskell/The Functor class|the chapter which introduces it]].--[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Duplode|contribs]]) 00:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC) == Review from the Haskell-cafe mailing list == On the 16th Jan 2007, a message was sent regarding this article to the Haskell mailing list, asking for review and comment. This was really helpful, poking holes in my knowledge as well as helping to improve the article manyfold. Most of the changes you can see in the history since that date are tweaks due to that review. Noteable reviewers were Brian Hulley and Yitzchak Gale, whose comments were very encouraging and hopefully had a bit influence on the article's content. [[User:DavidHouse|DavidHouse]] 18:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC) == Diagrams == ... were done using the [http://inkscape.org Inkscape] vector editing program. The original SVG files are available on request, email me (see my talk page). [[User:DavidHouse|DavidHouse]] 18:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC) :The wikimedia projects (e.g. wikibooks) support .svg diagrams. Have you given it a try? It works badly on the ones produced by Omnigraffle; perhaps you would have better luck -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 19:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC) :Also, it's highly worth it to move the diagrams to [http://commons.wikimedia.org commons]. This will make the diagrams transparently shareable across all wikimedia projects, for example, a hypothetical French version of the wikibook -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 19:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC) == Comment == The first exercise asks 'As was mentioned, any partial order (P, \leq) is a category with objects as the elements of P and a morphism between elements a and b iff a \leq b. Which of the above laws guarantees the transitivity of \leq?' This seems backwards to me. The statement is that a partial order gives rise to a category, not the other way around. Given a paritial order we don't need to gaurantee the transitivity of \leq. That is an axiom. The question should be something along the lines of 'which of the axioms of a poset guarantees the second category theory law?' -- astrolabe Morphism composition. If the existence of a (unique) f_{a,b} from a to b is equivalent to a \leq b, then: a\leq b and b\leq c means there are f_{a,b} and f_{b,c}, therefore there must be f_{a,c} = f_{b,c} . f_{a,b} --- which amounts to saying a must be \leq c. -- askyle == Another Comment == When explaining functors as they apply to '''Hask''', the list functor is explained as a functor from '''Hask''' to '''Lst'''. But for a Monad, the underlying functor is from a category to itself: <math>M : C \to C</math>. So considered as a Monad, is it not the case the list functor should be a functor from '''Hask''' to '''Hask''' (where its image in '''Hask''' is only those objects in the subcategory '''Lst''')? I know this was (perhaps still is!) a point of confusion for me, perhaps a note of clarification would be worthwhile.--[[User:Jyossarian|Jyossarian]] ([[User talk:Jyossarian|talk]]) 03:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC) :'''Lst''' is a (full) subcategory of '''Hask''', i.e. every object in '''Lst''' is a Haskell data type. The list functor can be viewed as an endofunctor <math>M : \mathbf{Hask} \to \mathbf{Hask}</math> but it can also be interpreted as a functor from '''Hask''' to a subcategory '''Lst'''. The text simply chose the latter interpretation when introducing the functor. :-- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC) == adjoint functors == I read somewhere that monad transformers were really adjoint functors, whatever those are. Could some explanation be added? I like this article a lot and it helped me with the traditional stumbling block of understanding monads (I sort of get them now), but I'm still baffled by monad transformers. Thanks :Oh? That would be interesting, I only know that every pair of adjoint functors (like <math>S\to\cdot</math> and <math>S\times\cdot</math>) gives rise to a monad (<math>S\to(S\times\cdot)</math>). Concerning monad transformers, the wikibook has a chapter on them, but it's not optimal yet. Meanwhile, have a look at [http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Blog_articles/Monads#Monad_transformers]. Concerning adjoint functors, this module will hopefully explain them at some point in the future. -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 10:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC) == Convention used for function composition == In the section on ''Category Laws'', we have the following: : … if <math>f : A \to B</math> and <math>g : B \to C</math>, then there must be some morphism <math>h : A \to C</math> in the category such that <math>h = f \circ g</math>. This suggests that <math>f \circ g</math> is being used here for the morphism that results from composition of the morphism ''f'' '''preceding''' the morphism ''g''. However, this conflicts with the Haskell composition notation, in which <math>f \circ g</math> (well, <tt>f.g</tt>) refers to the composition of the morphism ''f'' '''following''' the morphism ''g''. The section is also internally inconsistent in that it states that for the category shown in the figure, for which <math>f: B \to A</math> and <math>g: A \to B</math>, <math>g \circ f = id_B</math> and <math>f \circ g = id_A</math>. (This corresponds to the convention used in Haskell.). But for the same category, the text states that <math>f \circ id_A = id_B \circ f = f</math> (which uses the opposite – and un-Haskell-like – convention). Which convention should be adopted here? (I’m no authority on Haskell or on category theory, so I wouldn’t wish to make the choice myself.) See also the compositions for unit and join, which appear to use the Haskell-like convention. : Oh! The "Haskell" convention is correct. In fact, it's the convention used all over mathematics. Fixed. -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 08:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC) :: Not used ‘all’ over mathematics – but certainly by far the most common convention, I agree. (And my comment on the last relation there was mistaken, as it wasn’t of course referring to the category in the diagram.) Thanks for fixing this. --[[User:Axnicho|Axnicho]] ([[User talk:Axnicho|talk]]) 09:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC) -- It would be more instructive, I think, when in the diagram that explains the existence of f o g and g o f, there is for at least one of them another option than just id. Currently, the example is such that both f o g and g o f are the identity, and this might be misleading for the beginner. == Typographical conventions for unit, join == In this article, we have, for example: : <math>join \circ M(join) = join \circ join</math> Is this really the desired typography? I’d have been inclined to use : <math>\mbox{join} \circ M(\mbox{join}) = \mbox{join} \circ \mbox{join}</math> But perhaps there is some Haskell convention that I’m unaware of? (The same applies to unit.) :Function names in italic (more precisely \mathit{} in LaTeX) have a widespread tradition in papers about functional programming and Haskell, especially when there is some "mathematical" touch to them. A prototypical example is probably the book [http://web2.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/publications/books/fop/ The Fun of Programming]. Some chapters are available online, like [http://www.palgrave.com/PDFs/0333992857.Pdf Fun with Binary Heap Trees]. Naturally, typewriter face is widespread, too. A variable width but upright font is the exception, a prominent example being Chris Okasaki's [http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/theses/okasaki.pdf thesis] and corresponding [http://www.amazon.com/Purely-Functional-Structures-Chris-Okasaki/dp/0521663504 book]. :In other words, italic is what we want here :-) -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 08:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC) ::OK – I can accept that italic is used in Haskell and functional-programming papers (though why the standard mathematical convention that I mentioned should be used specifically in papers with ‘some "mathematical" touch to them’ eludes me!). Still, at the very least, we should improve the typography so that it looks more like this (I have made this change): :::<math>\mathit{join} \circ M(\mathit{join}) = \mathit{join} \circ \mathit{join}</math> ::By using math-mode italics (bare $…$) rather than \mathit{…} or \textit{…}, the spacing of the ''word'' ‘join’ is pretty awful – and a poor advertisement for TeX. As Lamport notes in the LaTeX&nbsp;2ε user guide (p. 51): :::‘LaTeX normally uses an italic type style for letters in math mode. However, it interprets each letter as a separate mathematical symbol [which is not what we want here], and it produces very different spacing than an ordinary italic typestyle. You should use \mathit for multiletter symbols in formulas.’ ::--[[User:Axnicho|Axnicho]] ([[User talk:Axnicho|talk]]) 09:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC) :::Yes, thanks for making the change to \mathit{} :-) :::Concerning the italic convention, I imagine it as follows: usually, the objects of mathematical discourse have only one-letter names like <math>x</math> or <math>\zeta</math>. This is not practical for programming, so multi-letter names like <math>\mathit{map}</math> or <math>\mathit{foldr}</math> are used. But since they're almost on "equal footing" with those nice looking italic letters, they gotta be italic, too. I mean, in the papers with "mathematical touch", they're not so much actual code to be typed into the terminal (-> typewriter face), but mathematical entities that obey laws like <math>\mathit{map}\,(f\circ g) = \mathit{map}\,f \circ \mathit{map}\,g</math>. (Hm, same for <math>\sin(x)</math> of course. Must be the higher order functions, i.e. the fact that ''map'' can also be argument of a function. Oh well, whatever, it looks good :-) :::-- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 13:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC) ::::That is pretty funny, since in mathmetics the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographical_conventions_in_mathematical_formulae well established convention] is to write variables (whether the variable contains a number, a function, or some other object, does not matter) as single letters in italics, and the multi-letter symbols for named functions (whose meaning in known, so they are not variables, for example: sin, max, log, etc.) in upright. And clearly map and foldr etc. are in this category, too; not variables but names for known functions, and no mathematician would write them in italic. So apparently haskell/functional programming papers with "some mathematical touch to them" use a typographical convention that is based on misunderstanding the normal mathematical typography. Whether this wikibook should follow the normal mathematical, or the alternative functional programming convention, is a difficult question. Maybe it depends to which audience this wikibook is targeted: to readers familiar with math but new to functional programming (who'd be less confused with normal math typography), or readers more familiar with functional programming papers and less familiar with normal math (who'd be more confused with the normal math typography). ::::-- [[User:Sampo Smolander|Sampo Smolander]] 10:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC) == Applicative Functors == Should there be a section about applicative functors? It seems to me that a functor F can be made into an applicative functor if it respects exponential objects, where <math> B^A </math> should be the object consisting of functions from A to B. By that I mean that there needs to be a map <math>F(B^A)\to F(B)^{F(A)}</math> Another way to say this is that there is a map <math> F(B^A)\times F(A)\to F(B)</math> But I haven't quite figured out where the pure requirement fits it (I'm not sure why a map <math>A\to F(A)</math> is important to have for this). Possibly, we want the map <math> F(B^A)\times F(A)\to F(B)</math> to be the unique map that makes a diagram commute, where we use <math>\text{pure}:B^A\times A\to F(B^A\times A)</math>, and map that to <math> F(B) </math> by <math>F(f)</math> where <math>f:B^A\times A\to B</math> is the evaluation map, and we also map <math>B^A\times A</math> to <math> F(B^A)\times F(A)</math> by the product of the two pure maps (sorry if it isn't clear, in the end we have a square we want to commute). I'm not sure if this makes sense/is actually true though. [[User:Taylor561|Taylor561]] ([[User talk:Taylor561|talk]]) 18:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC) == ID remark is incorrect == The article [[Haskell/Category_theory#Hask.2C_the_Haskell_category|says]] that: <blockquote> The function <code>id</code> in Haskell is ''polymorphic'' - it can take many different types for its domain and range, or, in category-speak, can have many different source and target objects. But morphisms in category theory are by definition ''monomorphic'' - each morphism has one specific source object and one specific target object. </blockquote> This is a gross error. A monomorphism is a left-cancellative morphism. The author is confusing the property of a function of sets being single-valued with a '''mono'''morphism. (Monomorphisms generalize the notion of an ''injective'' function, because they go ''mono-e-mono''...now you'll never forget that!) Strictly speaking, from the mathematical point of view, the <code>id</code> function can be viewed as an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_notation abuse of notation]. Thus '''Hask''' is a category. Moreover, with regards to subtyping, one can use a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subobject_classifier Subobject classifier] in a beautiful way...since the objects of '''Hask''' are types. Just thought it might be nice to clarify that from the mathematician's point of view... [[User:Pqnelson|Pqnelson]] ([[User talk:Pqnelson|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pqnelson|contribs]]) 01:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :Nicely spotted! The funny thing is that two rather different concepts have "monomorph" in their name. :* ''monomorphic'' type vs ''polymorphic'' type. That's what the author meant. :* ''morphism'', ''monomorphism'', ''epimorphism'' and friends. That's what you mean and what the author seemed to write. :In category-speak, the <code>id</code> function is a natural transformation. The <code>Hask</code> category has the curious property that a lot of natural transformations can be reified as elements of some objects (which correspond to polymorphic types). This is like a cartesian closed category, where there are power objects <math>B^A</math> whose elements correspond to morphisms. :I agree that the text needs a small rewrite to make the above distinction more clear. : --[[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:25, 10 February 2011 (UTC) == [video] Dominic Verity on Category Theory == Maybe it is worth including links to http://vimeo.com/17207564 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilkBvVDB_w ''Dominic Verity presents a gentle introduction to Category Theory, perfect for those who've been playing with Haskell for some time and wanted to know what it's all about.'' [[User:Yrogirg|Yrogirg]] ([[User talk:Yrogirg|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yrogirg|contribs]]) 10:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC) == What the heck is a morphism? == I applaud the initiative to give an overview of category theory, and its relationship to Haskell. And it's encouraging that the discussion starts with the basic: "a category is a collection with three components". But the article immediately heads off into the weeds by explaining everything in terms of "morphisms", a word which appears over fifty times. Yet never is any clue provided as to what the morphism word actually delineates (although we are told that they are sometimes called arrows, no wait, ignore that, and they may not be functions, yet correspond to functions in the Haskell sense). Just from the context of this article, morphisms appear to be functions, or something very like functions. But the fact that this article studiously avoids calling them functions suggests that anyone assuming they are functions would be on the wrong track. So basically, if the reader doesn't already understand what morphism refers to in this neighborhood of mathematics they are going to be out of luck. If someone takes on the task of adding a description introducing the word "morphism", before it is used, telling what "morphism" encompasses, could they please also comment on how it relates (or doesn't) to the polymorphism, monomorphism and any other morphisms we're likely to encounter. Thanks! [[User:Gwideman|Gwideman]] ([[User talk:Gwideman|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gwideman|contribs]]) 09:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC) :Pretty good question! The underlying issue is that there is nothing else we can say about what a morphism is in general; the concept, just like that of object, is entirely abstract. There are ''things'' called objects, and things called morphisms which have one object as source and one object as target, and so forth. Category Theory abstracts from what those things actually consist of. :What we can do to clarify things is providing examples of categories. Then it is not surprising that morphisms appear to be "something very like functions", given that in the very familiar example of the '''Set''' category functions are the morphisms, and in the no less familiar example of '''Hask''' Haskell functions are the morphisms. But it needn't be so. For an arbitrary example, you can make a category out of the integer numbers by taking a single object (and it doesn't even matter what it is), the integers as morphisms, addition as composition and zero as identity. For a different sort of example, when Gabriel Gonzalez talks in [http://hackage.haskell.org/package/pipes-4.1.0/docs/Pipes-Tutorial.html#g:5 the <tt>pipes</tt> documentation] about "the category of Unix pipes" he refers to the fact that a <code>Pipe a b m r</code> is a morphism in a category with <code>(>->)</code> as composition and <code>cat</code> (the forward-as-is pipe) as identity (a neat presentation of the underlying ideas is provided by [http://www.haskellforall.com/2012/08/the-category-design-pattern.html "The category design pattern"] in Gabriel's blog). :As for the relation to monomorphism and polymorphism with respect to types, they are different things. [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Talk:Haskell/Category_theory#ID_remark_is_incorrect This question, and Apfelmus' answer to it, may shed some light on the distinction]. :[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Duplode|contribs]]) 21:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC) == Defintion of composition unclear == "A notion of composition of these morphisms. If h is the composition of morphisms f and g, we write <math>h=f\circ g</math>." It is very unclear what the exact requirements are. Is this "notion of composition" the same for all pairs of objects / morphisms? Does it have to exist between all morphisms? E.g. the '''Set''' category does not work if composition between all <math>f : A \to B</math> and <math>g : C \to D</math> is required even if <math>B \neq C</math>, but from the "definition" given above, it is not clear why only specific morphisms have to be composable. How about this (copied from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Category_Theory/Categories#Data ) : "For each ordered triple of objects ''A'', ''B'', ''C'' in <math>\mathcal C</math>, there is a ''law of composition'': If <math>f:A\to B</math> and <math>g:B\to C</math>, then the ''composite'' of ''f'' and ''g'' is a morphism <math>g\circ f:A\to C</math>" I personally don't know any category theory, so I don't know if that is correct: It would mean that the composition is allowed to follow different laws for different ordered triples of objects. :Well spotted - <math>f\circ g</math> is only defined if the target of <math>f</math> is the source of <math>g</math>, and the text didn't make that clear enough. I rewrote the passage to show sources and targets explicitly.[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Duplode|contribs]]) 20:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC) == Second monad law == In discussing the equation: join . fmap return = join . return = id<br /> the = id at the end is ignored, but in fact it's the whole point of the equation, namely that both join . fmap return and join . return are nops (i.e. join undoes fmap return and just return by itself, so composing them produces an id of the appropriate type. I leave it to the author to amend the text. [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CD38:1040:F8A5:67E8:E2DA:1569|2602:306:CD38:1040:F8A5:67E8:E2DA:1569]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CD38:1040:F8A5:67E8:E2DA:1569|discuss]]) 10:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC) : {{ping|2602:306:CD38:1040:F8A5:67E8:E2DA:1569}} Well, the original authors are long gone :) Fortunately, this is Wikibooks, and so we have carte blanche to fix things. I agree with your remark, and will try to improve the text later. In fact, I find the treatment of the so-called "third and fourth laws" (justified in footnote 2) presented here somewhat distasteful. If the reader has gone all the way to find out about Category Theory this kind of lies-to-children aren't very useful. Furthermore, in more recently written chapters about various type classes the book talks about "laws" and "bonus laws" (the latter being naturality properties, which always hold in Haskell thanks to parametricity), so there is background to mention natural transformations in passing. Fixing this issue should lead to the improvement you suggest, as we would then be able to talk about the ''actual'' three monad laws.--[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Duplode|contribs]]) 18:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC) == The second exercise in the "Introduction to Categories" section == From the little and brittle knowledge I have about category theory, the diagram does seem like a category to me, and it really bugs me to be told it's not. I'm no expert in pedagogy, but I can feel as a beginner that, that exercise is doing more harm than good, unless the answer is given within reach. I'm trying to form an understanding around these very abstract concepts, and the exercise tells me that the picture I've been forming so far is wrong, without telling me why. So I question everything in the picture and it weakens my understanding. (This would actually make it a great exercise, if the answer were also given) Thanks for the great wikibook :) [[User:Enisbayramoglu|Enisbayramoglu]] ([[User talk:Enisbayramoglu|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Enisbayramoglu|contribs]]) 04:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC) :If you follow the diagram, you will see that we can compose <math>f</math>, <math>g</math> and <math>h</math>, like so: <math>f \circ g \circ h</math>. The '''''associative''''' law states that the following must hold true: <math>f \circ (g \circ h) = (f \circ g) \circ h</math>. From the diagram, we can see that <math>g \circ h = id_B</math> and <math>f \circ g = id_A</math>. Thus, we can replace into the expression for the associative law: <math>f \circ id_B = id_A \circ h</math>. By the definition of identity, this means that <math>f = h</math>, which is not true. Thus, the diagram's description does not hold up to the category laws, and cannot be a category. (Disclaimer: I am a complete beginner at this. Please correct me if I did any mistakes.) --[[User:Insipido|Insipido]] ([[User talk:Insipido|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Insipido|contribs]]) 16:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC) ::{{ping|Insipido}} Your solution is correct. I do think {{ping|Enisbayramoglu}} has a point: beyond the emptiness of the solutions page, something about this exercise strikes me the wrong way. Perhaps the presentation is a little brusque, or the background assumption that the drawn arrows correspond to all distinct morphisms (which e.g. is what allows saying that <math>g \circ h = id_B</math>) is not obvious enough. One more thing to consider in a future cleanup of this chapter... --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Duplode|contribs]]) 04:36, 6 October 2016 (UTC) == the do-block section has the numbering of the laws all confused ? == For example 'return x >>= f = f x' is bullet-listed as (1) , whereas it is in fact the 3rd law n the earlier section. se49feo56uk80h1cfp8q2r7humhyvem 5 110370 4639404 4607933 2026-06-08T18:50:34Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639404 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk header}} What if we plan to cut, paste, then re-edit the material from Wikipedia for our WikiBook? Should a request still be made? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Anthonyfontana|Anthonyfontana]] ([[User talk:Anthonyfontana|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyfontana|contribs]]) 19:35, 5 Feb 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> :Well, anything that's transwikied needs to be edited and adjusted to be a book page, rather than an encyclopedia article. Copyright-wise, import is the safest option if you're going to use an extensive part of the WP article. If you're only using a sentence or two, you could just cite the article as a reference, but if more than that, Import is the best option. It's easy to do, so when in doubt, request an import. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 19:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC) == Imported Attribution == What if, # Article "A" is edited by "User:Ans" in wikipedia. # Article "A" is imported to wikibooks. # "User:Ans" in wikibooks is not the same person with "User:Ans" in wikipedia? This will be the miss-attribution. Can we make the attribution in the imported pages, to be something like "User:Ans@wikipedia" or "User:Ans (imported from wikipedia)" appearing in the revision history. The mediawiki software should automatically insert text stating that the revision is imported, so, it will be clear that the editor appearing in that revision may not be the same person as in wikibooks. We should requested this features in the software (if not yet implemented). --[[User:Ans|Ans]] 06:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC) :Yeah, that's a problem, but we pretty much just have to wait for SUL to be enabled for that. In some cases accounts can be renamed by b'crats for now (at least here... wikipedia's policy does not acknowledge this issue). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 22:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC) :The import does appear in [[Special:Log/Import]], and it also appears in the revision history. You're correct that attribution can be a problem when the same username exists here. With the XML export-import, it is possible to modify the revision history (in particular to make all usernames point to Wikipedia), but the XML import feature is either supersceded by import, or is disabled, or is broken (not sure which). This issue will be solved by SUL though. For now we grin and bear it. '''&ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' &#124; ^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 02:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC) ::# SUL is only specific to wikimedia sites. If the page is imported from other sites (wikia, for example), SUL won't solve the issue. ::# [[Special:Log/Import]] doesn't indicate which revisions are the imported revisions. Let consider the revision history of PageA after merging, ::#* 2007-11-14T06:07:06 A (Talk | contribs) m (3 revision(s) from wikia:PageA) <-- import log ::#* 2007-11-14T04:14:04 B (Talk | contribs) (8,800 bytes) (removal of tag) <-- imported revision edited by B@wikia ::#* 2007-11-14T03:08:51 B (Talk | contribs) (8,870 bytes) (typo) <-- pre-existing revision in wikibooks ::#* 2007-11-13T04:57:43 B (Talk | contribs) (8,877 bytes) (added links) <-- imported revision edited by B@wikia ::#* 2007-11-13T04:55:00 B (Talk | contribs) (8,855 bytes) (page brakes) <-- pre-existing revision in wikibooks ::#* 2007-11-13T04:47:32 C (Talk) (8,844 bytes) (added picture) <-- imported revision edited by C@wikia ::#: As shown above, although it has import log, but in this case, we can't distinguish the revision edited by B@wikia and B@wikibooks. Moreover, for the first revision edited by C@wikia, the user C@wikibooks doesn't even exist (notice that it has no ''contribs'' link). What if, later, someone register for the user C@wikibooks and automatically get the attribution? ::# [[Special:Contributions]]/Username doesn't indicate, which edit is the imported edit. People looking at the contributions page may not aware of this problem, and possibly perceive the wrong information. ::--[[User:Ans|Ans]] 08:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC) :::That's only true to an extent: if you look at [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=A_Wikimanual_of_Gardening/Euphorbia_lathyris&action=history this history], for example, you can see where it says ::::<tt>10:02, 27 April 2007 SB Johnny (Talk | contribs | block) m (10 revision(s) from w:Euphorbia lathyris) (undo)</tt> :::Any time the import tool is used, it makes this note in the history, with an embedded link back to the original document (which may have changed since). Again, this will all be moot once Single User Login is activated (apparently they're in the debugging stage now). --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 15:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC) ::::Oh nm, I see what you mean. Still won't be a problem after SUL. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 15:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC) :::::#SUL will have the name confliction issue. For the name collision, one user will be forced to rename. After such rename, the imported attribution will also be automatically changed to reflect such renaming. This will still be a miss-attribution. :::::#Instead of importing, why not preserve the attribution by inserting the History section (according to GFDL) into the book contents? This method is just simple, and no need to request admins to do this task. Admin task should be minimal, as much as possible. --[[User:Ans|Ans]] 14:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC) == Wikinews? == :''Rather then copying and pasting material from other Wikimedia projects, Wikibooks administrators can import pages from English Wikipedia, English Wikiversity, English Wikisource, Simple English Wikibooks and English '''Wikinews'''.'' Most wikinews pages can't be imported here, since its license (cc-by) is incompatible with gfdl here. --[[User:Ans|Ans]] 14:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC) == Imports from foreign language projects == The page implies that articles from foreign language projects like French Wikipedia can't be transwikied here with their histories. I am assuming that the next best option is to show a permanent link to the source page in the edit summary if you need to copy complete articles here from foreign projects. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Recent Runes|contribs]]) 00:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC) :I was moaning about this apparent restriction a few weeks ago over in General. There's some process to go through to have other languages options which would involve discussion or voting just for a developer to type a few lines of code. I suppose a copy and paste and a permanent link to the source page is our best option.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 00:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC) ::Disagree, failing the possibility of doing a transwiki of the edit history (that I suppose is not permitted, or simple to fix, by the possible username collisions). If we want to be consistent with keeping Wikipedia editors expectations (the edit history merely protects the right to have your work recognized), we should default for the previous method of requiring a general attribution to the specific Wikipedia project (this is how it was done before transwikis became possible). The rational is simple, edit history is only a resource available on the web. If the content is in print there will be no reference to editors (note that edit history is sufficient because Wikipedia articles are not copyrightable, only the aggregation of the articles, the Wikipedia that would by license require a direct attribution. ::"You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution..." edit text refers to inclusion on specific project's page, not its edit history (and I do not know if all project share the statement), this without getting in more complicated issues. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 09:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC) :::By "a general attribution to the specific Wikipedia project" do you mean an acknowledgment in the page text such as "This page is based on / uses material from [http://fr.wikipedia.org/ http://fr.wikipedia.org/]? [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Recent Runes|contribs]]) 14:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC) ::::Not on the page itself (in the pages you could use the edit summary as stated above if you like) but on the work (a single attribution would cover all future uses of content from that project/work and satisfy the legal requirement of attribution. See [[C++ Programming/About the Book/Authors]] there I gave attribution to Wikipedia (that work predates transwikis), there are other similar attributions on various other projects. [[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 22:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC) == Archiver bot deleting section == The archiver bot keeps on deleting the "simple imports" section. [[User:Liam987|<span style="color:white;background:#0055A4;font-variant:small-caps;text-shadow:0 5px 8px #850000">Liam987</span>]] [[User talk:Liam987|talk]] 22:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC) == History mergers == Why history mergers should be requested here, when the {{tl|Now merged}} template and the [[:Category:History merge requests]] page can be utilized? --[[User:Strange quark|Strange quark]] ([[User talk:Strange quark|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Strange quark|contribs]]) 21:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC) : As a practical matter, there's a problem with somebody ''noticing'' a request. Anyone who has this page on their watchlist will notice a request posted here; however, to get the information from the category requires more active, or at least more elaborate, measures. This is one of those things where it wasn't understood, when the infrastructure was set up, what would actually work well. I hope to provide convenient means for tracking stuff like this as part of context-sensitive semi-automation facilities building on the [[Help:Dialog|dialog tools]], but development has been slow lately. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 21:56, 7 April 2018 (UTC) :: [//en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Recentchangestext&diff=3411105&oldid=3363479 I've just added them to the RC dashboard], just in case. That's where I treat the speedy deletion requests. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 07:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC) ::: Oh, the RC dashboard. Thanks; I'll make a mental note that there are some of those here too. I hadn't thought of it as an option, for, I suppose, two reasons. We use the RC dashboard for a host of such things on en.wn; but&nbsp; (a)&nbsp;I've almost never visited RC on en.wb because it's so much busier here than on en.wn (I use my watchlist here, instead), and&nbsp; (b)&nbsp;the recent <s>downgrade</s> "upgrade" to RC hides the customized header by default, which severely undermined our set-up at en.wn (which I was too cynical to even bother complaining about, but one of our younger Wikinewsies who hasn't had their optimism about the Foundation beaten out of them yet remarked to the devs about it, and was given several condescending reasons why they were going to ignore the objection). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 11:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC) :::: It looks like we've got the same experience with Phabricator... I was forced to propose my help, several times, to apply the projects consensuses to LocalSettings.php, but they didn't even bother to answer to me. 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[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 21:08, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == Survey (proposed direction for Wishlist) == <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">You are invited to voice your opinion on a new [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist#Proposed direction for Wishlist|community-proposed direction]] for the [[m:Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]]. {{Int:Feedback-thanks-title}} [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:07, 29 May 2026 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:기나ㅏㄴ@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%EA%B8%B0%EB%82%98%E3%85%8F%E3%84%B4/MassMessage&oldid=30604233 --> tavvjwlmk46cbk3skzq7fw4ew6oknqi 1 113216 4639397 1363158 2026-06-08T18:44:51Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639397 wikitext text/x-wiki == Wireless Mesh Networks == This book is an advanced topic book that follows after the basic Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi security books. I am willing to contribute if there is interest in this book since I have experience in this area. [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]05:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC) : I am very interested in learning about the topic. I have seen other people decide not to contribute because "there is not interest". I guarantee that somewhere someone appreciates very much that you are willing to share your knowledge. It may go unsaid, but I think it is important to for contributors to remember that their content will be available for a long time (assuming Wikimedia foundation stays around) and with probably .5-3 billion people with potential access to the internet. This knowledge will be used and appreciate by at least a small percentage of those people. If you have the motivation, energy, and you think you can get something out of it for yourself, I would encourage you to contribute. --[[User:Remi0o|Remi]] 05:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Topics == * Mesh network basics - definitions - point to multi-point vs. meshes * History Highlights - Philadelphia - Tempe/Chandler/Mesa - Rio Rancho * Motivation - needs not met - service provider (for profit) - digital divide - public service (police and fire departments) - hobbyist - inside of facility * Economics - supply, demand - competition (cable, DSL, WIMAX, others...) - business case (revenue and expenses) - free or fee? (per use, subscription) * Politics - zoning - architectural review * Social Impact - digital divide - community building * Regulatory - licensed / unlicensed * Taxonomy of Mesh Types - WAN, LAN or PAN? - Indoor or Outdoor - Coverage (to the porch or inside) - Hierarchical or Distributive - Low Cost - Real-time Multimedia Capable * Design Parameters - Latency - Jitter - Throughput - Capacity - Handover Speed * How many radios? - One - Two - Three or More * Transport - 802.11a Wi-Fi - 802.11b/g Wi-Fi - 802.16 WIMAX - Others * Access - 802.11b/g Wi-Fi - 802.11a Wi-Fi - 802.16 WIMAX - Others? * RF concerns - Channel Reuse, C/I - Frequencies - Licensed / Unlicensed - Transmitter Mask, Adjacent Channel Interference - Link Budget - Transmit Power - Receive Sensitivity * What layers does it operate on? - Layer 2 (switched mesh) - Layer 3 (routed mesh) - Both Layer 2/3 * Topology Control - Loop Prevention Spanning Tree Routing Protocols - Load Sharing * Mobility / Handoffs - Layer 2 802.11 "roaming" 802.11r enhancements - Layer 3 Mobile IP Proxy Mobile IP * Applications - Web Surfing - E-mail - Police/Fire - Gaming - Voice over IP - Telephone Replacement * Content - Internet - Local * Mesh network vendors (I have a list of 17 of them) - BelAir - Cisco - Nortel - Proxim - RoamAD - Sky Pilot - Strix - Tropos * Power to the Node - Light Pole - Mains - Solar * Survey Tools - Ekahau - Cognio - NetStumbler * Planning Tools - Motorola Mesh Planner - * Mounting Options - Light Pole - Communications Tower - Rooftop * Testing Tools - iPerf - Ekahau - Cognio * Meshes you can build - [http://www.cuwireless.net/ CUWiN] * Appendix A - Applicable Standards - 802.11k - 802.11r - 802.11s - 802.11v - WIMAX * Appendix B - Known Deployments - Philadelphia, PA - Mesa, AZ - Chandler, AZ - ... * Appendix C - Mesh Timeline - 1999 - 2000 - 2001 etc. I updated this list, am I still missing topics here? Feel free to edit the list. [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]15:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Thesis Statement == What is the point of this book? Is it a survey of all the mesh types? Is this a design book? I think it should teach mesh technology to someone that already knows Networking and Wi-Fi as a pre-requisite. It should give someone the basic understanding of the issues to buy, design and deploy mesh networks. Can we discuss this? [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]06:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Type of Book == What type of book will it be? Reference, textbook, self-study course, (application) note collection, tutorial, experimentation instructions, travel report, etc. I think it should be a textbook. [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]15:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Target Audience == Who are the target audience? How old are they, how advanced are their reading skills and background be? Are they children or adults; students, hobbyists, or professionals; researchers or scientists? (an advanced level for a hobbyist is something completely different than one for a researcher). The target should be adults; students, serious hobbyists, researchers; professionals = engineers, economists, and marketers, and the like. [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]15:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Scope == What is the scope of the book? A second year IT book and a junior or senior level BS Engineering Book suitable for teaching a semester course with the intent of being able to skip over a few chapters. Knowledge of Networking (CCNA) and Wireless Networking (Wi-Fi) are a pre-requisite. [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]15:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Outline == Once we have the list of topics and the thesis, let's work on the outline. Perhaps someone can organize these into chapters. Can we discuss a strategy? [[User:kgrr|<span style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</span>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]06:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC) == Merge? == I would prefer that the [[Wireless Mesh Sensors]] and the [[Wireless Mesh Networks]] books be kept separate because they are really very different technologies although they share the mesh element.[[User:Kgrr|Kgrr]] ([[User talk:Kgrr|talk]]) 20:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC) :Are you still defending that position? I was going to merge the two but saw your opposition. Wireless Mesh sensors Wikibook is an empty stub (about the quality and quantity), the subject aren't that dissimilar you can only get wireless mesh sensors inside a wireless mesh network, and most of the content would have to be duplicated in both books so they cover individually similar subjects, merging does make a lot of sense and in this case will not create any structural damage... :If no opposition is stated, in 7 days, I will proceed with the merge. I will try to contact you by email if available and make a note on your talk. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC) 9rgrbjapkxfbg3rfuz3uxj7pnrhk114 1 113597 4639403 2001181 2026-06-08T18:49:22Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639403 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk header}} {{rfd-survived}} Original research is not allowed per [[WB:WIW]] ''Wikibooks is not a place to publish original works''. As a corollary, please avoid use of first person in Wikibooks. If the text must include original research, you might ask about having it hosted on [http://www.wikiversity.org Wikiversity] instead. If that's what is decided, an admin can transwiki it for you so you don't loose authorship information. I hope this helps. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 14:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Hi this book has survived it's VfD however you may be interested in looking at the comments (constructive ones!) made on the VfD page for your book. Certainly there are some issues there that you should be aware of and maybe they will help to improve the book and the grades [[Wikibooks:Votes_for_deletion#Ethnomedicine]] - regards --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 08:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC) As a further clarification of my comment above, the sections on frozen spoon, zits, and cranberry juice all include first-person observations (what we call 'original research'). You might also consider breaking this page into [[WB:MODULE|modules]]. I notice that the same text about jow occurring twice on the page. If the book were written as a series of modules then your various contents and index pages could link to the individual module e.g. [[Ethnomedicine/Jow]], [[Ethnomedicine/Ginger]]. Hope this helps. If you have any questions or need anything else, feel free to ping me on my talk page. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 14:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC) == Similar names == Whats with all these people with the numbers after their names? --[[User:Remi0o|Remi]] 22:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC) == Pedialyte == My section on Pedialyte as an anti-hangover keeps getting deleted. It's a perfectly valid home remedy so if you insist on screwing with it please post something in the discussion about it. Thanks. --[[User:Horn, Alex|Horn, Alex]] == Ecinacea == I made some minor changes to the information in the section on Ecinacea. Mostly I just added extra information where it was pertinent, such as the warning for allergies and slight clarification on when it began to gain popularity and where. Also, I added some information on doses, frequency of doses, and duration, which was mildly conflicting with what was already there. I believe the information as it is can show two valid points, but if anyone wants to discuss this change or disagrees with what I wrote, please let me know. == IMPORTANT: Notice to project participants == You probably noticed that [[Ethnomedicine]] is now a very large document and the software has started faulting when saving the latest revision. In order to alleviate the problem, please start doing the following: * Create a new section only in a sub page. For example, if you were creating a sub page detailing "Athlete's foot" (which I know has already been created), you would include all the text in [[Ethnomedicine/Sections/Athlete's foot]]. * When including the text in the main page of Ethnomedicine, you would then type <code><nowiki>{{:Ethnomedicine/Sections/Athlete's foot}}</nowiki></code><!--IF YOU ARE READING THIS!!! TAKE NOTICE: do not include the text "<code><nowiki>" or "</nowiki></code>" when you intend to include it in the page--> Then the text can be used the other "by Culture Group" and "by Illness" modules by using the same code as above, and then the main document doesn't become more bogged down than it already is. --[[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 19:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC) == Has this module been abandoned? Not yet!== I'm wondering if this module has been abandoned by the class that created it at this point. Either way, it still really needs cleanup. Is anyone in contact with this group? --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 03:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC) I think it will be cleaned up in the coming weeks. Hopefully transformed into something more wikibookish. --[[User:Paul James|Paul James]] 07:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC) 28hs2bax6jcekhlbzcf0jz2w33wzsgv 0 116560 4639356 3417834 2026-06-08T17:28:33Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639356 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOEDITSECTION__ {{center/top}} =About the book= {{center/end}} {{:C++ Programming/About the Book/Foreword}} {{:C++ Programming/About the Book/Authors}} [[{{BOOKCATEGORY}}|0]] <noinclude>{{displaytitle|title=C++ Programming}}</noinclude> hbb29j4z1ctse3q39dci30w6bsl7u7l 0 127222 4639412 4639114 2026-06-08T19:06:23Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639412 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |Berlin defence |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C65-C68]] |parent=[[Chess/Ruy Lopez|Ruy Lopez]] |responses = <br> * [[/4. 0-0|4. 0-0 · Main Line]] * [[/4. d3|4. d3]] * [[/4. Nc3|4. Nc3 · Spanish Four Knights Game]] <small>(transposition)</small> }} == 3...Nf6 · Berlin defence == 3...Nf6 is the main sideline to 3...a6. The Berlin defence is known for being solid and is used at the top level of chess as a reliable drawing weapon. The mainline continuation leads to [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...Nc6/3. Bb5/3...Nf6/4. O-O/4...Nxe4/5. d4/5...Nd6/6. Bxc6/6...dxc6/7. dxe5/7...Nf5/8. Qxd8/8...Kxd8|an equal endgame known as the Berlin Wall]], where it is difficult for White to achieve better than a draw. Another common variation leads to a quick draw by repetition by turn 14. 3...Nf6 is developing move that controls the centre, attacks e4, and gets Black closer to castling. The main line [[/4. O-O|'''4. O-O''']] allows Black to take the e4 pawn 4...Nxe4. This is a trade because White can recover the material by applying pressure on the e-file (e.g. 5. Re1 skewers e5 through the knight). The main line continues 5. d4 Nd6 and either 6. Bxc6 or 6. dxe5. * 6. Bxc6 leads to a queen trade on turn eight and the Berlin Wall endgame; * 6. dxe5 often leads to the famous Berlin draw by repetition, employed when it is advantageous for the players to agree a quick draw in tournaments where [[wikipedia:Draw by agreement|draws by agreement]] are otherwise restricted. [[/4. d3|'''4. d3''']] avoids these main Berlin defence continuations. It defends e4 so defuses the threat of 4...Nxe4, but also reinforces White's threat on e5, as after Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5, the ...Qd4 tactic no longer forks the pawn. Black may defend it directly (4...d6) or tactically (4...Bc5! sets up the threat of ...Qd4 and ...Qxf2#). [[/4. Qe2|'''4. Qe2''']] is a tricky sideline. It, too, defends e4 so avoids the trade of e-pawns, but also defends f2, defusing the ...Bc5 ...Qd4 ...Qxf2# threat (4. Qe2 Bc5 5. Bxc6 dxc6? 6. Nxe5 wins the pawn, as 6...Qd4 7. Nd3 [gains time on the bishop] Bb6 8. f3 [defends pawn]{{Chess/not|++}}). Compared to 4. d3, White keeps the option of c3 then d4 in one move, but after ...Bc4 Black has too much control of d4 to manage this anyway. [[/4. Nxe5|'''4. Nxe5??''']] is the so-called '''Halloween attack'''. It resembles the well-known [[Chess/Halloween Gambit|Halloween gambit]], but worse because Nc3 has been replaced by Bb5, reducing White's space advantage. === History === An early analysis of 3...Nf6 was published by Berliner [[Wikipedia:Tassilo von Heydebrand und der Lasa|Baron von der Lasa]] in ''Handbuch des Schachspiels'' (1843). The name "Berlin defence" came into use in German by at least 1848, appearing in ''Deutsche Schachzeitung'' which attributed the coining to [[wikipedia:Carl Jaenisch|Carl Jaenisch]].<ref>{{Cite web |title=The Berlin Defence (Ruy López) |url=https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/berlin.html |last=Winter |first=Edward |access-date=2025-09-09 |website=Chess Notes}}</ref> In his article for ''Le Palamède'', 1847, Jaenisch wrote that it was "discovered in Berlin (we cannot affirm whether by de Heydebrand [i.e. Baron von der Lasa] or by another)".<ref>"découvet à Berlin (nous ne saurions affirmer si c'est par M. de Heydebrand ou par un autre)" {{Cite journal |title=Le Début Royal Ch. IV |journal=La Palamède |last=de Jaénisch |first=C.-F. |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nq5AAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA530 |pages=538-542 |language=French}}</ref> The Berlin defence was revived by [[wikipedia:Vladimir Kramnik|Vladimir Kramnik]] who used it to stall out [[wikipedia:Garry Kasparov|Garry Kasparov]]'s 1. e4 repertoire in their [[Wikipedia:Classical World Chess Championship 2000|2000 World Championship match]]. Try as he might, Kasparov couldn't manage better than a draw in Kramnik's Berlin Wall endgame. ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} '''1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left">4</th> <th align="left">5</th> <th align="left">6</th> <th align="left">7</th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Ruy Lopez</th> <td>[[/4. 0-0|O-O]]<br>Nxe4</td> <td>d4<br>Nd6</td> <td>Bxc6<br>dxc6</td> <td>dxe5<br>Nf5</td> <td>+=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"></th> <td>[[/4. d3|d3]]<br>Bc5</td> <td>c3 0-0 </td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Four Knights</th> <td>[[/4. Nc3|Nc3]]<br>...</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"></th> <td>[[/4. d4|d4]]<br>...</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"></th> <td>[[/4. Qe2|Qe2]]<br>...</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Other</th> <td>Bxc6<br>dxc6</td> <td>0-0<br>Bd6</td> <td>d4<br>Qe7</td> <td>+=</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{wikipedia|Ruy Lopez}} {{BCO2}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} cz16j8m9wykh9bqmnd4vdvwsy4djvuu 0 129498 4639337 4595316 2026-06-08T16:28:03Z Antimundo 812108 /* Target Audience */ Removed outdated phrase 4639337 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude> {{Using Wikibooks/Page}} </noinclude> == What is a "Wikibook"? == Wikibooks is not a traditional book publishing medium, so it can't be expected that our books are going to fit the traditional definition of what a book is. A "wikibook" is a book written using a wiki. Here on Wikibooks, we restrict the kinds of books that can be hosted to instructional books, such as textbooks or manuals. Many other types of books do not belong here. Wikibooks doesn't need to be like regular books. 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Be3 · English attack == 6. Be3 is the '''English attack'''. White has an idea to castle long and storm Black's kingside with their pawns. [[/6...e5|'''6...e5''']] is the '''main line'''. This drives off White's knight to b3, but weakens d5 which White will try to use as an outpost. [[/6...Ng4|'''6...Ng4''']] is the '''Anti-English'''. Black tries to avert White's plans of a kingside attack by trading off White's important dark square bishop. Whereas in the Yugoslav attack against the Dragon Sicilian, [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...c5/2. Nf3/2...d6/3. d4/3...cxd4/4. Nxd4/4...Nf6/5. Nc3/5...g6/6. Be3/6...Ng4|6. Be3 Ng4?? is a mistake]] on account of 7. Bb5+! Nc6 8. Nxc6 bxc6 9. Bxc6+ Bd7 10. Bxa8, the difference in the Najdorf is that Black has played ...a6, so White does not have the resource Bb5+, therefore ...Ng4 is safe. [[/6...e6|'''6...e6''']] builds a "small centre" and transposes into a '''Scheveningen Scillian'''. This is move order ju-jitsu to play the Scheveningen without facing the Keres attack, 5...e6 6. g4!. In that line, Black cannot play 6...e5 on account of the Bb5+ resource. However, in the move order 5...a6 6. Be3 e6, Black's a6 pawn prevents Bb5+, so 7. g4!? can be met with ...e5!, a discovered attack on g4 and threatening ...exd4 with a fork. === History === 6. Be3 is the most popular way for White to combat the Najdorf. It has been played since the 1950s<ref>[https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1994034 Cardoso v Jezek, 1956. Chessgames.com]</ref>, but 6. Bg5 was more typical until the 1980s, when 6. Be3 was popularised by English grandmasters like [[wikipedia:Tony Miles|Tony Miles]], [[wikipedia:John Nunn|John Nunn]] and [[wikipedia:Nigel Short|Nigel Short]].<ref>e.g. [https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1114091 Short v Portish, 1985 (Candidates). Chessgames.com]</ref> The approach--long castle and pawn storm--had been the standard approach against the Dragon Sicilian, [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...c5/2. Nf3/2...d6/3. d4/3...cxd4/4. Nxd4/4...Nf6/5. Nc3/5...g6/6. Be3/6...Bg7/7. f3|the Yugoslav attack]], since at least the 1930s.<ref>e.g. [https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1090706 Levenfish vs Kan, 1939. Chessgames.com]</ref> ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6.Be3 <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small">6</span></th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small"></span></th> <td><span style="font-size:small">...<br>[[/6...e5/|e5]]</span> </td> <td>+/= </td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small"></span></th> <td><span style="font-size:small">...<br>[[/6...e6/|e6]]</span> </td> <td>= </td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Delayed Keres Attack</span></th> <td>...<br>e6</td> <td>g4<br>h6</td> <td>h4<br>Nfd7</td> <td>Be2<br>Qc7</td> <td>g5<br>hxg5</td> <td>Bxg5<br>Nc6</td> <td>Nxe6<br>fxe6</td> <td>Bh5+ +- </td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small"></span></th> <td><span style="font-size:small">...<br>[[/6...Ng4/|Ng4]]</span> </td> <td>+/= </td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} === See also === {{Wikipedia|Sicilian Defence, Najdorf Variation}} *Youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuLYgClRe-Q ''How to Play the Sicilian Najdorf''], Saint Louis Chess Club. (Lecture on English attack). {{BCO2}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} [[fi:Shakkiaapinen/Peli/1. e4/1...c5/2. Rf3/2...d6/3. d4/3...cxd4/4. Rxd4/4...Rf6/5. Rc3/5...a6/6. Le3]] t5qo92z7j2tlua3iljujyi731dk1bah 1 139132 4639375 4634586 2026-06-08T17:44:21Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639375 wikitext text/x-wiki == КАТАЛОГ == : ''Перенесено со страницы [[w:ru:Обсуждение Википедии:Проект:Филателия/Архив-2007 (сентябрь—октябрь)]]'' Предлагаю создать страницы: каталог марок СССР и каталог марок России с указанием № ЦФА и ИТЦ, и других каталожных номеров (какие найдем в инете) с колонкой на английском языке. Указывать так же год выпуска, номинал. Вместо изображений марок - ссылки на них на викисклад. С сортировкой по годам и по каталожным номерам. Если приживется, то по-тихоньку и по другим странам можно создать. --Mariluna 11:42, 18 сентября 2007 (UTC) : Мысль хорошая, но есть ряд моментов: (1) это очень трудоёмкая задача, Вы готовы сами выполнить хотя бы 50%, если да, то начинайте. Вряд ли стоит надеяться на других, увы. Нет ничего, хуже, чем висящий жалкий недоконченый список из нескольких пунктов, который рано или поздно "активисты" удаляют из ВИКИ. (2) Если создавать, то озаглавить его не каталогом, а списком. (3) Подходит ли такой каталог Википедии? Не удалят ли его по такой причине? Было бы обидно. Надо этот вопрос изучить. В принципе что-то подобное я, кажется, видел в англ. ВП по паре-тройке стран. Или, может, этот проект стоит создавать в рамках Вики-учебника? (4) Вряд ли можно будет залить на склад ВСЕ марки... Да и ни к чему, наверно. (5) Кстати, я уже давно размышляю насчёт создания в Вики каталога календариков (коллекционирую предвыборные календарики). В отличие от марок, которых десятки каталогов существуют, каталогов календариков фактически нет ни одного. Слишком дёшев объект собирательства. И вот тут встаёт главный вопрос, ЗАЧЕМ нужен такой каталог марок в ВП, по Вашему мнению? --[[Участник:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] 14:32, 18 сентября 2007 (UTC) :: Чтобы привести в порядок закачанные марки, чтобы можно было видеть, какие из них есть на складе. Я посмотрела, в инете нет нормального каталога по маркам, с указанием каталожных номеров по Скотту, Мишелю, с переводом на английский. У меня есть некоторые каталоги, могла бы начать. Кто поможет? Кто поддерживает идею?--Mariluna 16:15, 18 сентября 2007 (UTC) ::: Думаю, для Википедии было бы гораздо уместнее изложение предмета в виде, сходном с брошюрой Н.И.Владинца "Филателистическая география. Советский союз" - М.: Радио и связь, 1982. А вот к нему уже органически присоседить список с каталожными номерами по всем каталогам и ссылками на Викисклад. По крайней мере у меня бы такая статья вопросов бы не вызвала. Но! Нафига делать работу, которая и так уже сделана Владинцом и ЦФА? Судя по всему, цели столь трудоёмкого проекта сугубо технические (систематизировать филателистический Викисклад) - стоит ли затрачивать столько усилий, имея на выходе столь небольшой выхлоп? [[Участник:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 16:21, 18 сентября 2007 (UTC) :::: Марилуна: посмотрел я в англ. википедии уже создан целый ряд списков марок по тематикам. Думаю, такое же можно начать и у нас, если есть желание - создавайте по Вашей любимой теме (темам), скажем - награды на марках, а там, может, народ и подтянется. Только вначале надо тщательно обдумать форму таблицы. Я-то сам википедист, но не филателист. Собираю каким-то боком календарики, значки, но только в части освещения избирательных кампаний. А в филателии разбираюсь постольку, поскольку был членом КЮФ в детстве. А каталоги марок - это интерес филателистов прежде всего. --[[Участник:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] 17:47, 28 сентября 2007 (UTC) Мария, видели ли Вы, что я уже написал Вам по этому поводу на Вашей складской [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mariluna#wikibooks:World_Stamp_Catalogue страничке] обсуждения? Такой википроект уже давно существует — [[:wikibooks:World Stamp Catalogue]]. При желании к нему можно просто подключиться и создавать разделы для СССР, России и других стран. —[[Участник:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 03:42, 2 ноября 2007 (UTC) Здравствуйте! Извините, что долго не отвечала. Видела. Но там совсем мало сделано. Я еще думаю как лучше делать каталог по темам или по годам или по странам и по годам. И где? На складе, чтобы был общим для всех, или на рувики, с колонкой на англ. языке или без? Если есть какие предложения пишите. А то информация большая, не хочется по 100 раз переделывать. Все года каталога СССР на одной странице не помещаются по размеру. А как лучше разбить не знаю.--[[Участник:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 18:11, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) И ещё - марок для каталога маловато закачано на склад. Нужно их поднакопить. А то по маркам СССР совсем мало. Только последние годы - более менее имеются--[[Участник:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 18:15, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) : Мое мнение: такой каталог должен однозначно создаваться в рамках спецпроекта [[:wikibooks:World Stamp Catalogue]]. То, что там мало сделано, не страшно. Присоединение к проекту новых участников и использование ботов для заливки информации и имиджей из других электронных ресурсов помогут развитию проекта. Дублировать, Мария, не стоит: только распылять свои силы будете. Кроме того, подобный каталог — это явно не формат для склада и рувики, которые не предназначены для создания каталогов вообще. Смотрите общие задачи и описания этих проектов. Делать на [[:wikibooks:World Stamp Catalogue]] нужно, конечно же, для начала не по темам (хотя такая категоризация тоже там предусмотрена), а по странам и по годам. Мне будет жаль, если мне не удастся Вас переубедить по этому вопросу. Надеюсь, что другие участники филпроекта тоже выскажутся. С уважением, —[[Участник:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:19, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) :: Вот, кстати, чем неудобен движок ВП - в нём нельзя сделать сразу и сортировку по темам, и сортировку по странам, и сортировку по годам. То есть можно, но только через механизм Категорий и Шаблонов - что явно не так удобно, как, допустим, через метки-теги. Теоретически в ВП есть такая штука как таблицы с возможностью клика по каждой колонке и перестройки её позиций в соответствие с выбранным критерием. Но это тоже не так удобно (всё равно юзеру придётся кликать по каждой позиции, чтобы увидеть подробности). Может, стоит просто подождать, пока движок эволюционирует? И не торопить события right now, делая напрасный труд по вбиванию фактуры, которой будет сложно пользоваться? [[Участник:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 04:16, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) Да, на счёт викибук, то это английская версия. А нам нужен русский каталог. А если русский каталог, то значит на русском викибуке. А здесь нет филателии. Следовательно, либо викисклад, доступный и общий для всех стран, а не только для России или США, или на рувики.--[[Участник:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 21:28, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) Лучше от туда перенести статьи на склад. Я так думаю.--[[Участник:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 21:30, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) : Еше раз хочу Вам сказать, что ни Склад, ни Рувики ни по своим задачам, ни по формату не приемлемы для создания такого каталога. К Вам там сразу будут претензии в сочетании с шаблоном "К удалению". Никто не запрещает Вам на [[:wikibooks:World Stamp Catalogue]] создавать русский каталог с английским параллельным переводом. Или, уж если на то пошло, можно делать чисто русский каталог в [http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0 русском разделе] wikibooks, но потом всё равно кому-то придется выполять повторно ту же самую работу на [[:wikibooks:World Stamp Catalogue]]. Не проще ли сразу присоединиться к глобальному проекту? Вы мне объясните, почему Вы так категорически настроены против [[:wikibooks:World Stamp Catalogue]]? :) --[[Участник:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:47, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) 1. Там не глобальный проект, а местный, американский. Совсем не развит. 2. В категориях на викискладе гораздо больше марок закачано, чем представлено в этих каталогах. 3. Делать каталог на викибуке будет гораздо труднее по техническим причинам. И будет неудобно смотреть информацию по маркам. Так как сначала идёт ссылка на викисклад. Чтобы посмотреть информацию по марке, нужно будет 2 раза нажимать на её изображении. 4. На викискладе тоже есть статьи, и не мало. И на русском и на английском. И создаются они в этих же категориях, что и изображения. Бывает что отдельно.--[[Участник:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 22:06, 4 ноября 2007 (UTC) : Попробую еще раз Вам объяснить: : 1. Почему Вы решили, что это «не глобальный проект, а местный, американский»? Читаем: <blockquote>Wikibooks '''World''' Stamp Catalogue<br /> A catalogue of postage stamps '''from around the world''' </blockquote> : То, что Вы увидели там американский раздел (а есть еще на данный момент 7 стран Европы, Новая Зеландия и Китай в разной степени проработки), означает лишь то, что пока к проекту подключилось не так уж много людей, каждый из которых взял какую-нибудь одну страну. Вот Вы создадите раздел для Советского Союза — сделаете хороший вклад. Почитайте описание проекта: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Talk:World_Stamp_Catalogue], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Numbering_System], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Common_themes], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Stamp_Inclusion_policy] и другое там же. : 2. Марки со склада легко внести в каталог. : 3. Информацию не надо смотреть на викискладе, Вы ее тут же прописываете, используя [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Template:World_Stamp_Catalogue шаблон]. Изображения, как я уже сказал, переносятся со склада. Причем, для этой цели можно использовать бот. Вам для переноса ничего не придется делать — за Вас это может автоматически сделать бот. Хотите, я попрошу знакомого ботовода помочь с ботом? : 4. Дело, конечно, Ваше, если Вы хотите затеять Ваш проект на складе. Не буду Вас больше переубеждать. Очень жаль, что мне это не удалось сделать. —[[Участник:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 03:04, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) :: Дорогая Мария, позвольте и мне поддержать Мишу. В Википедии однозначно не разрешат каталог вести и уберут рано или поздно. В отношении Викисклада тоже я сильно сомневаюсь. Там чрезмерно жёсткая политика в отношении авторских прав, причём ещё могут убрать Ваши тексты в любой момент, сказав, что это склад для картинок, а не для текстов. А вот на wikibooks проект уже давно существует. американский раздел очень глубоко проработан, а мы давайте просто добавим СССР и Россию. С переводами я помогу. Сделаем каталог двуязычным - это вообще будет ценный уникальный продукт. Принципы нумерации там уже разработаны. (Чужую нумерацию ведь использовать нельзя - авторское право. Плюс будем давать перекрёстные ссылки на другие каталоги. По этой теме было обсуждение, и решили, что если давать ссылки на 2 каталога сразу или больше, то это не будет нарушением АП.) Если решите начинать, я могу перевести их на русский. Сделаем двуязычные таблицы-шаблоны. Будете заполнять на русском, а я могу помочь с переводом на английский и наоборот.<small>—&nbsp;''Это сообщение написал{{gender switch|{{{gender|}}}|а|}}, но не [[Википедия:Подписывайтесь на страницах обсуждения|подписал{{gender switch|{{{gender|}}}|ась|ся}}]] участни{{gender switch|{{{gender|}}}|ца|к}}'' [[Участник:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] ([[Обсуждение участника:Л.П. Джепко|обсуждение]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Л.П. Джепко|вклад]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}|&nbsp;{{{2}}}}}</small> ::: Могу помочь с нумерацией. Можно дать ссылки даже не на два, а на три каталога: ЦФА, Скотт и Михель (Ивер у меня только до 1940-х годов). [[Участник:Сдобников Андрей|Сдобников Андрей]] 09:50, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::Насчет каталога идея хорошая, могу предложить свою помощь в заполнении на русском. Только вот, непонятно, прдлагается создание каталога ВСЕХ марок СССР, или выборочно (легендарные, редкие и тд.)? --[[Участник:Agent001|Agent001]] 08:37, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::: Насколько я понимаю - всех. --[[Участник:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] 10:27, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) :: Прошу прощения, забыл подписаться. Но зато уже перевёл описание принципов нумерации каталога на [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Numbering_System/Russian русский]. --[[Участник:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] 10:27, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) :Здравствуйте! Спасибо за отклик. На викибук, так на викибук. ::Только как ботом изображения туда закачивать? Я понятия не имею. :::У меня нет каталогов 1981-1983 гг. Есть СССР до 1991 и Россия 1992-1994 г. Предлагаю сделать колонки номеров всех каталогов: ЦФА, Скотт, Михель, Ивер Описание на русском и на английском. Указывать месяц выпуска. Указывать художника. Для таких данных нужен новый шаблон, в виде таблицы не для каждой марки, а для списка марок. Нужно марок побольше закачать.--[[Участник:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 10:42, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) Перенёс дальнейшее обсуждение [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Talk:World_Stamp_Catalogue/Soviet_Union сюда] [[Участник:Сдобников Андрей|Сдобников Андрей]] 12:53, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) == Каталог / Catalogue == * (1) Создал страницу для СССР здесь: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Soviet_Union]. Пока это только набросок. Пример нужно подогнать под конкретную марку СССР (у меня просто перевод с английского для марки США). Смотрите и дополняйте/исправляйте прямо там. * (2) Мария, с шаблоном таблицы надо поработать вместе со спецами. Николай? Андрей? Поможете? Тут я пас. Тут надо бы учесть особенности именно марок СССР. Либо взять как есть и просто писать внутри имеющихся граф подробнее. Кто нам это запрещает? * (3) Кстати, насколько я понимаю это всё же шаблон сплошной таблицы для списка, а не для отдельной марки. Просто добавляются ряды внутри него. Русский и английский тексты можно писать через дробь: English / Русский, или на отдельных строках. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 12:43, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) * Что скажете? [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 13:35, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) : Думаю, вначале надо дать наш собственный номер (типа SUN-1991-0101-0121, а номер ЦФА дать рядом с остальными каталогами. А что думает наш главный составитель? Вот как сделано для Китая: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/China/1941]. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 15:10, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) : Обрати внимание [[w:ru:Википедия:Список Википедий|вот на эту таблицу]]. Там в каждой колонке даны такие стрелочки в квадратике. Нажатие на квадратик выстраивает список по возрастанию или убыванию параметра. Имхо, надо изначально заложить такую же штуку и в каталог. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 15:42, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::: А зачем такая сортировка в принципе нужна здесь? Сортировать по колонкам «Рисунок» (явно не нужно), «Описание», «Каталоги» и «Примечания»? Если у нас будут подстраницы по годам, большой пользы от такой сортировки внутри одного года не вижу. —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:56, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) :::: Затем, что можно будет строить списки по номерам каталогов - по Скотту, по Михелю и проч. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 04:44, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::::: А что это тебе даст на странице, где всего лишь '''один год''' с несколькими десятками марок? В чем тут fun? —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 04:59, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) :::::: Для каждого филателиста существует каталог, который он считает "за основу" - так исторически складывается. Не вижу оснований для жёсткого диктата нумерации Вики-каталога над альтернативными - пусть она будет по дефолту, но пусть, также, будет и возможность перестроить список под привычные критерии, почему нет? И потом: а ты уверен, что нам не нужны таблицы марок по десятилетиям, по темам, по регионам, по континентам, по империям\колониям и т.д.? Мне кажется, что нам изначально следует установить в качестве стандарта наличие возможности альтернативного выстраивания списков - это bon ton, что ли. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 05:53, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::::::: OK, убедил. Кто возьмется за сортирующие стрелочки в квадратике для колонок каталогов? —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 06:11, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) == Номер / Number == Друзья, коллективными усилиями сделан хороший задел. Согласен, что сначала должен идти внутренний номер. К ботоводу обращусь. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 15:53, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) : Тогда вот так. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 16:00, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) :: Замечательно. А к ботоводу смысла обращаться, как выяснилось, нет. На викибуке используется тот же стандартный принцип вызывания имиджа со склада: '''<nowiki>[[Image:имя файла|thumb]]</nowiki>. Таким образом, все загруженные на коммонз марки полностью доступны для викибука.''' —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:30, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::: Мне не нравится у американцев, что каталог их страны делается одной страницей. Грузится ооооочень долго. Леонид предложил правильный подход с [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Soviet_Union#Sub-pages_.2F_.D0.9F.D0.BE.D0.B4.D1.81.D1.82.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.86.D1.8B подстраницами] для каждого года в отдельности. Так намного легче работать с каталогом и просматривать его. —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:44, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::: К американцам надо относиться с осторожностью - насколько я понял, это просто один User закачал свои наработки без "викификации". Он там пишет, что недоработано. Уверен, что мы дружными усилиями сможем сделатьСССР/Россию гораздо лучше. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:01, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) :::: Согласен, Лёня! И огромное спасибо за переводы на викибуке. —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 22:25, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::: В таком виде отлично. А что мыслит Мария? --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:20, 5 ноября 2007 (UTC) *[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Soviet_Union/1991# начал] Я , присоединяйтесь. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 00:03, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) * Спасибо, Андрей! Добавил английские видовые названия к черноморской фауне. Вопросы: # Будем ли мы сами переводить на английский названия марок и серий? Или их можно брать из англоязычных каталогов, чтобы было корректно и быстро? # Будем ли давать внутренние ссылки на русские и английские викистатьи? Для примера: 75-летие со дня рождения <nowiki>[[:ru:Керес, Пауль|П. П. Кереса]]</nowiki>. (Так мне кажется корректней по сравнению с вариантом Андрея через http.) # Нужны ли точки в конце «Описаний» тех или иных марок? По-моему, не [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=World_Stamp_Catalogue%2FSoviet_Union%2F1991&diff=1021645&oldid=1021640 нужны]. # Адекватно ли писать: тираж 1800,0 (и по-английски) 1800.0? Может убрать зпт/тчк и 0? —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 00:35, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) * # С английским у меня проблема, что-то могу брать из Скотта, но там не всё. # ИМХО, ссылки нужны, для гипертекстовой связи каталога с Википедией. (Да, так намного лучше). # Нет, точки не нужны. # Можно сделать так: тираж/issued: 1800. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 00:54, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) * Тиражи подправил. А с гиперссылками возни будет много. Фактически их поиск и вставка будет занимать столько же времени, сколько создание самой таблицы. :( Сужу по своему первому опыту для черноморской фауны. Кстати, более правильный формат гиперссылки: <nowiki>[[w:ru:Керес, Пауль|П. П. Кереса]]</nowiki>, а для английских - просто <nowiki>[[w:Spiny dogfish|Spiny dogfish]]</nowiki>. —[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 01:36, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) *Здравствуйте! Я вчера рано отключилась, поэтому не была в курсе обсуждений. Не торопитесь заполнять таблицы, т.к. мы еще не проработали шаблон. Предлагаю добавить отдельные колонки по тиражу, легче заполнять будет, добавить колонку с номиналом, колонки цены гашеной и не гашеной марки. Таблицу по красивее оформить: толщину линий сделать тоньше, и цвет другой.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 07:34, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) * Может дату, чтобы не переводить, ставить в такой форме 10.04.1991?--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 07:37, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) ** В таком случае формат должен быть таким: '''1991-04-10'''. Иначе Ваша сортировка по дате будет бессмысленна. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 18:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC) * Михаил, гиперссылки можно будет добавить позднее, сейчас главное довести до ума шаблон и залить таблицы, а это самое, ИМХО, сложное. Марина, можно разделить колонку "Примечания" на две: "Художники" и "Тираж", а сами примечания писать внизу, как я это уже сделал. Номинал записывать таким образом: "0.10", "1.20", впрочем, как и с датой. Цвет любой на Ваш вкус, заказывайте. :) А вот насчёт цены на гашёные и негашёные с этим бы я связываться не стал, потому что по какому каталогу их определять, это во-первых, а во вторых, они меняются каждый год. Так что это очень муторное занятие, его ИМХО, лучше не начинать. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 08:27, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) ** Согласен, что гиперссылками можно заняться позднее. А вот по ценам я тоже категорически выступаю против их включения. Андрей и Леонид, по-моему, доступно пояснили. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 18:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC) == Зубцовка и цвета марки / Stamp perforation and colors == т.е. здесь не будет столбца с указанием зубцовки и цветов марки? --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 09:10, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) ::А Вы считаете, что это нужно? [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 09:31, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) :::Может для марок 80-х и позже не нужно, но более ранние выпуски, можно сделать, а для золотого стандарта - просто необходимо. А если данный каталог проектируется как аналог бумажного, а не просто ознакомительный, то и цены надо включать. --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 09:55, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) :::: Колонки добавить легко, вопрос в другом, кто будет их заполнять? Agent001, возьмётесь за это дело? Что касается цен, то я категорически против. Повторяю ещё раз: # Цены в разных каталогах определяются по разному. Если использовать один каталог, то почему именно этот, а не другой? # Цены меняются каждый год. У меня, например, самый новый каталог Михель за 2006 год. К концу подходит 2007, какие цены будут на марки в 2008 никто не знает. Какой смысл давать устаревшую информацию?. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 10:09, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) :::::взяться за это дело могу. Медленно но уверенно. СССР - это как раз моя тема. По поводу цен: :::::#Приведите на примере на сколько они разныхе в разных каталогах, или в процентном соотношении. :::::#Согласен, цены меняются, и даже очень. Значит пускай так и будет написано "цены по состоянию на 2007 г." P.S. Если не трудно перенесите часть этой страницы в архив (я этого делать не умею) или в отдельную статью "обсуждение шаблона Каталог....", а то очень долго грузится --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 11:59, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) # Имхо: рубли надо из таблицы убрать, поскольку денежная система прописана в общей странице СССР каталога. И они всегда рубли, по-моему. # Колонку "Примечания" надо оставить по-любому, так как всегда будут какие-нибудь нестандартные примечания по отдельным маркам. # Как я подозреваю, цены могут быть защищены авторским правом и, кроме того, меняются каждый год, кто будет их постоянно обновлять? Если же этого не делать систематически, то нашим ценам никто верить не будет, и какой тогда от них толк? В крайнем случае, можно будет потом создать отдельную таблицу с нашими номерами и ценами по разным каталогам, чтобы не громоздить здесь. # Цвет и зубцовка безусловно нужны, но их можно (и нужно) указывать в графе "Описание". --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 12:01, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) : + Потом надо будет составить подробную инструкцию по заполнению шаблона таблицы во избежание разнобоя. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 12:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: Предлагаю тогда обозначать зубцовку литерами, как это сделано в Михеле: # C (Combperforation) - гребенчатая # L (Line perforation) - линейная # H (Harrow perforation) - рамочная [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 13:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC) : А для серий не писать в каждой графе имя художника (если он один рисовал её всю), зубцовку (если она одинаковая) и цвет (для мультицветных марок) [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 14:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: Поддерживаю. Всё это надо будет расписать потом в памятке по составлению нашего каталога. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 05:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Почему не ruWikibooks? / Why not in ruWikibooks? == Не понимаю, почему каталог нужно создавать здесь а не в Wikibooks - [http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0 русскоязычном разделе]?? --Agent001[[User:193.227.206.87|193.227.206.87]] 14:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC) : Это всемирный проект - World Stamp Catalogue и он уже начат был без нас. Мы его дополняем каталогом марок СССР. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 14:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: с такой логикой, зачем тогда нужна РуВики, если есть енВики, где есть огромное количество статей? Да, есть всемирный проект World Stamp Catalogue, а руВики будет свой проект - "Каталог марок СССР"--[[User:193.227.206.87|193.227.206.87]] 15:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Этот вопрос уже обсуждался [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B8:%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F#.D0.9A.D0.90.D0.A2.D0.90.D0.9B.D0.9E.D0.93 здесь]. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 15:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC) *А может лучше все каталоги скопируем в рус викиучебник? Там же будем обсуждения вести. Другие могут подключаться. А когда сделаем там, то перенесём конечный вариант сюда, на англ. языке. А на рус викиучебнике будет англо-рус версия. И потом проставим интервики. Там же сделаем каталоги по темам.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 18:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Не исключаю подобного варианта, особенно в свете первой реакции местного Темного Ламы-админа. Как, ребята, согласны? А то мы тут им, действительно, можем стать бельмом в глазу. :) Маша, я Вас зауважал. Нет, конечно, я и раньше Вас уважал. :) Так держать! С Вашей неиссякаемой энергией мы тут им каталогов во всех вариациях понапишем. На любой случай и вкус. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Ну-ну, пришли русские, пошумели, поразмахивали руками, нагородили чёрт знает что и свалили к себе. Вот уж, действительно, мнение о нас будет: Vodka-Rasputin_sputnik. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 21:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 1.1 / Template 1.1 == Перенёс шаблон, для более удобной правки. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 08:27, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) {| width="284" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" |+ |- bgcolor="#FFCFCF" style="text-align:center"|'''''23.04.1991''''' | colspan="10" | '''100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева''' / '''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev.''' |- | '''Рисунок/Image''' | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | '''Каталог ВП:Ф''' / '''WP:F Number''' | '''Номинал/<br />Tax value''' | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | '''Описание/Description''' | '''ЦФА/<br />CPA''' | '''Scott''' | '''Michel''' | '''Yver''' | '''Художник/<br />Designer''' | '''Тираж/<br />Number printed''' | '''Примечания'''/'''Notes''' |- | [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|100px]] | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | SUN-1991-????-???? | style="text-align:center"|0.15 | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева. Коричневая<br /> Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer. Brown.<br /> C 12 ½ : 12 | style="text-align:center"|6314 style="text-align:center"|5993 style="text-align:center"|6191 | | Б. Илюхин<br />B. Ilyukhin | 2300 | |- |} === Обсуждение шаблона / Template discussion === : Просьба, обсуждение шаблона писать выше, в разделе "КАТАЛОГ". [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 09:31, 6 ноября 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 1.2 / Template 1.2 == {|class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" |+ |- style="background-color:#FFCFCF;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | width="10%"|'''№№ по WWSC, изображение /<br />WWSC No., image''' <br /> | '''Дата<br />Date''' <br /> | '''[[w:ru:Номинал|Ном.]]<br />Tax value'''<br /> | width="450"|'''Описание<br />Description'''<br /> | '''Художник<br />Designer'''<br /> | bgcolor="#fbb7b7" | '''[[w:ru:Каталог ЦФА|ЦФА]]<br />CPA'''<br /> | bgcolor="#f8e4ce" | '''[[w:ru:Скотт (каталог марок)|Скотт]]<br />[[w:Scott catalogue|Scott]]'''<br /> | bgcolor="#e0fce9" | '''[[w:ru:Михель (каталог марок)|Михель]]<br />[[w:Michel catalog|Michel]]'''<br /> | bgcolor="#f6e0fc" | '''[[w:ru:Ивер и Телье (каталог марок)|Ивер]]<br />[[w:Yvert et Tellier|Yver]]'''<br /> | '''Тираж<br />Quantity'''<br /> | width="250" |'''Примечание<br />Notes'''<br /> |- | bgcolor="#ffffdd" style="text-align:center;"|'''SUN-1991-????-????''' [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|100px]] | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | '''1991-04-23''' | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" style="text-align:center;"|0.15 | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | '''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev'''<br />Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer. Brown<br /><br />'''100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева'''<br />Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева. Коричневая<br />C 12 ½ : 12 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | Б.Илюхин<br />B.Ilyukhin | bgcolor="#fbb7b7" style="text-align:center;"|6314 | bgcolor="#f8e4ce" style="text-align:center;"|5993 | bgcolor="#e0fce9" style="text-align:center;"|6191 | bgcolor="#f6e0fc" | | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" style="text-align:center;"|2300 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | |- |} === Обсуждение шаблона / Template discussion === А раз мои доводы бессмыссленны, то нужно предложить что то новое взамен, на базе существующего. Итак: # Номинал всё-таки надо вынести перед описанием (как во всех каталогах) # Для зубцовки не нужна отдельная колонка, обозначение зубцовки ставить в описании. # Для различных каталогов сделать различные по цвету полосы. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 18:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC) *Андрей! Чем больше украшательств, тем дольше будет грузится страница. Поэтому я не делала разноцветные колонки. Вы посмотрите на код своего шаблона (сколько текста!) и на код моего. А у Вас с этим перебор. Номинал лучше в конце, он нужен филателистам, а другим участникам всякие циферки не нужны. Им нужна картинка с описанием. Поэтому я поставила в своём шаблоне такой порядок. Зубцовку могу переделать. Ваша первоначальная таблица тоже хороша, но не для каталога по годам, а для каталога по темам - птицы, рыбы и т.д. Тут можно размер марки менять.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 18:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Различные по цвету полосы для различных каталогов, по-моему, тоже перебор. Тут дело даже не во времени загрузки (компьютеру, по-моему, всё равно). Излишняя расцветка мешает восприятию информации, отвлекает. Сделай лучше как у меня. И в шапке английские названия тоже на первое место поставь. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 2 / Template 2 == Не пойму, что можно здесь сортировать? [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 15:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC) : Лично мне нравится сортировать по номерам и по тексту. А вообще: нумерация по каталогам не совпадает. Поэтому марки при сортировке будут по-разному расположены. Так же в такой форме заполнять таблицы будет легче. Сортировка по художникам, по дате, тиражу. Марилуна. :: Ваша задумка, делайте что хотите, только в таком случае весь год придётся давать сплошняком в таблице, следовательно, табличка будет нехилых размеров, да и какой смысл в сортировке марок ОДНОГО года мне не понять. Если будет голосование, то я за первый вариант. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 19:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: С точки зрения загрузки, то мой вариант будет меньше места занимать, так как шапка таблицы будет в самом начале страницы, а не для каждой марки. Килобайты экономии. И заполнять только содержимое таблицы, а не вставлять каждый раз таблицу проще. Подумайте над этим.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Делайте, что хотите. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 19:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :::Андрей, Вы что обиделись? Я просто предложила свой вариант. Если не нравится, пишите свои замечания. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Делайте, а я пока посмотрю. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 20:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: Решительно поддерживаю Андрея, ибо: * Если шапка таблицы будет только в самом начале, то уже через 10-15 рядов читателю будет непонятно где какая колонка, например, где номер по Иверу, а где по Скотту. В результате придётся всё время бегать вверх-вниз, пытаясь глазами удержать положение колонки. * Одна бесконечная таблица со множеством однообразных рядов выглядит занудно нечитабельно. Мне по жизни осточертели эксэлевские таблицы. Если более пятидесяти рядов, то всё, отключка, до конца такие таблицы, по-моему, смотрят только бухгалтера. И то делают массу ошибок,потому что глаз соскакивает с рядов. * Зачем нужна эта сортировка в пределах одного года, если из-за неё теряется наглядность? Обратите внимание, в предложенном американцами варианте каждая серия, и даже отдельная марка по новой теме отделены заголовком, что позволяет автоматически сформировать оглавление, выглядит красиво и упрощает поиск темы и навигацию по странице. А поиск номеров можно делать обычным поиском на странице, в конце-концов. * Причём тут экономия байтов не пойму, не бумагу же экономим. Удобство пользования гораздо важнее. Лучше вставить таблицу один раз, чем потом всю оставшуюся жизнь мучиться с огромной безликой таблицей без навигации. * А сортировку по художникам, по номерам, по тиражам или ещё как, вполне можно (и нужно) сделать отдельными списками, будет удобнее. И байты будут распределены равномернее. Впрочем, поскольку Мария является инициатором этой идеи, собирается выполнить большую часть работы и, очевидно, будет пользоваться этим каталогом, будучи филателисткой (в отличие от меня), то ей и карты в руки. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC) : А я решительно поддерживаю Леонида и в его поддержке Андрея, и в резервировании широты технического маневра для Марии. Но все-таки хотелось бы, чтобы мы выработали какой-то наиболее приемлемый вариант. Попросил Якива и Романа (StraSSenBahn) заглянуть сюда в надежде, что они, как всегда, что-то ценное нам подскажут. Главное, как мне кажется, к чему мы должны стремиться, - техническая простота и в то же время техническая грамотность и функциональная целесообразность как с точки зрения читателей, так и с позиции "писателей" этих страниц. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 22:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC) : Ребята, кто хорошо знаком, как выглядят англоязычные каталоги? Как переводятся в них "Дата", "Тираж", "Номинал"? Желательно, чтобы было как можно коротко для вставки в таблицу. Спасибо. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 05:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 2a / Template 2a == {|class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" |+ |- style="background-color:#E7F7FF;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | width="10%"|'''Марка<br />Stamp''' <!-- (если блок, то пишем блок)--><br /> | '''Дата<br />Issue''' <br /> | width="450"|'''Описание<br />Description'''<br /> | '''Художник<br />Designer'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Каталог ЦФА|ЦФА]]<br />CPA'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Скотт (каталог марок)|Скотт]]<br />[[w:Scott catalogue|Scott]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Михель (каталог марок)|Михель]]<br />[[w:Michel catalog|Michel]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Ивер и Телье (каталог марок)|Ивер]]<br />[[w:Yvert et Tellier|Yver]]'''<br /> | '''Тираж<br />Print run'''<br /> | '''Ном.<br />Tax value'''<br /> | '''Перф.<br />Perf.'''<br /> |- style="background-color:#FFFEF0;" | SUN-1991-????-???? [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|150x150px]] |'''1991-04-23''' | width="450"|'''100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева''' <br /> Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева.<br /><br />'''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev.'''<br /> Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer. | Б. Илюхин <br /><br /> B. Ilyukhin | 6314 | 5993 | 6191 | | 2300 | 0.15 | |- style="background-color:#FFFEF0;" | SUN-1989-????-???? [[Image:1989 CPA 6043.jpg|150x150px]] |1989 | width="450"| Смотрите каталог за [[World Stamp Catalogue/Soviet Union/1989|1989]] г. и сравнивайте |<!-- 4 худ--> |<!-- 5 цфа--> |<!-- 6 скотт--> |<!-- 7 мих--> |<!-- 8 ив--> |<!-- 9 тир--> |<!-- 10 ном--> |<!-- 11 перф--> |} === Обсуждение шаблона / Template discussion === : Во! То что надо! Только хорошо бы подложить под названия каталогов гиперссылки на соответствующие статьи рувики. Nickpo 15:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: Гиперссылки подстелили. А что дает вторая строка 1-11? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: То, что в текстах, примечаниях можно ссылаться на номер столбца --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Ну что сказать, Мария? Ваша болванка для 1989 года смотрится неплохо. Только номинал укажите не в копейках (5 к.), а в формате: 0.05. У нас по деталям, вообще, пока что есть "разночтения". Надеюсь, все сообща придем к одному приемлемому формату. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 05:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Я могу ещё понять смысл сортировки по каталожным номерам, может быть по художникам с большой натяжкой, но в чём смысл сортировки по дате, а тем более по описанию, изображению, тиражу, номиналу и зубцовке? По описанию вообще некорректно сортируется, так как буква "Ё" оказывается на последнем месте. Что может быть полезного в списке марок, построенных по номиналу или в списке марок с одинаковой зубцовкой? К тому же, при сортировке по зубцовке, в случаях с одинаковой зубцовкой, список строится опять таки по описанию, то есть не корректно - марки из одной серии могут быть расбросаны друг от друга на значительное расстояние. И ещё 1990-е годы - это лёгкие годы, где минимум разновидностей по печати и зубцовке, а что вы будете делать с 1930-ми годами и "золотым стандартом" и его десятком разновидностей? Подумайте об этом. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 10:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::Андрей! Сортировка по изображению - сортируется каталожный номер вики. Сортировка по художнику тоже не плохо. Можно сортировать по тиражам, будет видно редкие выпуски. А значит их ценность. Сортировка по описанию тоже пойдет. Можно посмотреть по алфавиту. Будут видны различные годовщины. Ну и наконец, сортировка по каталогам - интересная вещь. По крайней мере для меня. А по перфорации и по номиналу сортировать не нужно.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 14:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::Заполнила 1989 год полностью по номерам ЦФА. Немного дописав текст. Потратила на оформление около 4 часов. А для Вашего шаблона, Андрей, сколько времени уйдет, чтобы заполнить весь год? Тем более, мою таблицу можно переделать легко. Можно потом добавить шапки для каждой серии, если так решим. Для закачки 1989 г. я использовала программу Эксель. Всё разбивала на столбцы. Вплоть до знаков. (всего 35 столбцов). Потом размножила. Вставила текст. Скопировала в Ворд. Убрала лишние пробелы. И перенесла в инет. Попробуйте так же сделать другой год.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 14:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Маша, это хорошо, что Вы так здорово владеете различными программами. Вот с сортировкой не знаю, как быть. На данный момент мы используем параметр для всей таблицы - class="wikitable sortable". В этом случае мы показываем сортировку для всех столбцов. По-другому, нельзя. Если убрать class="wikitable sortable" - сортировка исчезает вообще. А вот есть ли код для отдельного столбца, который бы позволил показывать и задавать сортировку выборочно? Кто знает? Если такого нет, то нам нужно либо убрать сортировку в нынешнем виде, либо смириться с тем, что она показывается даже для ненужных столбцов. Третьего не дано? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Нужно выбирать нежные цвета, в соответствии с фоном. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 14:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Сочетание бледных голубого-розового-желтого, по-моему, как раз нежное. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Мда... я вижу, что все мои доводы бессмысленны. Что ж, Марина, реализуйте свой проект. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 16:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC) **Для сортировки требуется только одна строчка в таблице. Можете на неё не обращать внимания, если уж так не нравится. Чем еще не нравится мой вариант, кроме сортировки? Тем, что нет подзаголовков?--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 16:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Считаю, что нужно поменять местами английский и русский текст '''в шапке и соответствующих полях таблицы'''. См. ниже, как это сделано для Шаблона 2b. Мария, переделайте, пожалуйста, свою таблицу таким же образом. Спасибо. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 2b / Template 2b == Подправил второй вариант --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC): {|class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" |+ |- style="background-color:#FFCFCF;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | width="10%"|'''WWSC No., image /<br />№№ по WWSC, изображение'''<br /> | '''Date<br />Дата'''<br /> | width="450"|'''Description<br />Описание'''<br /> | '''Художник<br />Designer'''<br /> | '''CPA<br />[[w:ru:Каталог ЦФА|ЦФА]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:Scott catalogue|Scott]]<br />[[w:ru:Скотт (каталог марок)|Скотт]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:Michel catalog|Mich.]]<br />[[w:ru:Михель (каталог марок)|Мих.]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:Yvert et Tellier|Yver]]<br />[[w:ru:Ивер и Телье (каталог марок)|Ивер]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:Face value|Value]]<br />[[w:ru:Номинальная стоимость|Ном.]]'''<br /> | '''Issued<br />Тираж'''<br /> | '''[[World Stamp Catalogue/Stamp valuation|Valuation]]<br />Стоимость'''<br /> | width="200" |'''Notes<br />Прим.'''<br /> |- | bgcolor="#ffffdd" style="text-align:center;"|'''SUN-1991-????-????''' [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|150x150px]] | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | '''1991-04-23''' | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | '''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev'''<br /> Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer. Brown<br /><br />'''100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева''' <br /> Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева. Коричневая<br />C 12 ½ : 12 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | B. Ilyukhin/<br />Б. Илюхин | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | 6314 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 5993 | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | 6191 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | 0.15 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 2,300 | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | C | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" |<s>Так как вид таблицы нарушается. Если писать примечания в новом столбце. Если только примечания совсем короткие.</s> |- |} ===Обсуждение шаблона / Template discussion === Михаил, лучше убрать знак /, без него смотрится аккуратнее. И названия столбцов нужно сократить, т.к. из-за длинных названий ширина меняется, и растягивается по вертикали основной тект. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC) : Сокращения вернул, добавил гиперссылок. Почему-то не подсвечивается желтым цветом последняя колонка. Как это делается? А вот по знаку / у меня возражения. Знак нужен для логического разделения русских и английских слов (фраз). По-моему, как раз '''с ним''' смотрится аккуратнее. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: Еще вопрос. Какие в английских каталогах используются термины для "Тиража" и "Номинала"? Что-то мне подсказывает, что "Print run" и "Tax value" не совсем корректно. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :Черточку внизу надо было поставить. А знак / растягивает шапку некрасиво. Примечания лучше писать в описании, с указанием об этом. Так как вид таблицы нарушается. Если писать примечания в новом столбце. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Если только примечания совсем короткие.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :Printing run Так пишется на англояз. сайтах. Tax value не знаю.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :: Спасибо за черточку внизу. А вот по черточке / и вариантам таблицы в целом можно проголосовать, когда все авторы посчитают свои версии законченными. Но сначала давайте еще пообсуждаем, что и как можно улучшить. Я, например, хотел бы подсветить в своем варианте контент первой и третьей колонок более темным оттенком желтого, использованным Андреем в своей версии. Но я не знаю, как это правильно сделать. Помогите! --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::: А не надо никаких чёрточек, ни прямых, ни косых. Господа, это же таблица! Просто разделите головную строку на две - русскую и английскую. И всё. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 22:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Мария, разобрался со столбцами, о которых Вы говорите. Во-первых, их вид на экране зависит от того, какой у Вас монитор и браузер. Поэтому для каждого юзера таблица может выглядеть по-разному. Мы тут особо ничего не можем поделать. На данный момент на моем мониторе (17 дюймов, на жидких кристаллах, браузер Mozilla) всё выглядит великолепно. Если у Вас монитор в 15 дюймов, могут быть искажения по ширине столбцов, точнее по их содержимому. Во-вторых, есть параметр width="ХХХ", с помощью которого легко выставить любую ширину колонки таблицы, что я и сделал. Посмотрите в код. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 05:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Легко сказать чайнику: раздели! А ты покажи, как это делается. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 22:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: Вот Мария как раз покажет - она же сделала номерную строку для столбцов. Нужны ещё две такие строки - для английских названий и для квадратиков (а то они плохо смотрятся, когда не на одном уровне по высоте). [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 07:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::: По желтому цвету. Я имел в виду контрастное окрашивание только первой и третьей колонок, а не всей таблицы. Это возможно? У Андрея ведь это как-то выходит. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 22:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :::Ответ по цвету - загружаем Фотошоп, смотрим цветную карту (цвета), выбираем цвет, внизу, где решетка, копируем буквы с цифрами и вставляем вместо указанных цветов в таблице.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 23:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Oops... Повторяю вопрос: как сделать контрастное окрашивание '''только первой и третьей колонок, а не всей таблицы'''? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 23:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: Ну как то так... [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 00:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::::: А если так? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 00:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Ещё бы хорошо столбцы с номерами каталогов выделить чередованием цвета, чтобы легче было отслеживать взглядом. А столбец "Примечания" вообще убрать, раз он такой короткий, а сами примечания писать прямо в столбце "Описание". Либо, может, оставить место только под звёздочку сноски. А сноску оформлять на отдельную подстраницу, которая будет раскрываться шелчком на ней. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 09:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: Сделал чередование цветов. "Примечания" думаю всё же нужны текстом прямо в таблице (без создания подстраниц сносок - это будет занимать много времени, а для пользователя потребует лишний клик). Кроме того, поменял местами английский и русский контент - to be more international user-friendly. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::::: Лёня, мне не нравится Print run. Можно ли заменить каким-нибудь одним ёмким словом? Спасибо. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC) ::::::: Let's change it to 'Issued'? / Заменим на "Issued"? --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: А теперь еще и Stamp valuation добавил. Помоги грамотно сформулировать название столбца, пожалуйста. Quantity, как у Андрея? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 20:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::::: 'Value' / "Стоимость" IMHO. Since it attempts to establish a comparison basis for stamp valuation. / Поскольку это попытка отразить сопоставимую стоимость марок. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC) ::::::: Нет, речь идет о [[World Stamp Catalogue/Stamp valuation]], т.е. '''Number of stamps issued or believed to exist'''. Как это одним бы словом сказать? '''Issued'''? Я не против. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 20:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :::::::: Миша, именно что: "кол-во выпущенных или считающихся уцелевшими марок", поэтому я настаиваю. Суть в том, что если сохранилось (или было выпущено) 100 марок, то их цена будет совсем иной, чем 1 миллион марок. Осмелюсь заметить, при этом, что, хотя этот принцип и был сформулирован в виде общего правила, но на деле я его реализации нигде в каталоге не видел. Valuation - это именно "оценка стоимости". --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 21:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC) Предлагаю (I suggest): "номинал" = "face value", если не нравится tax value. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 21:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC) : Только не [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_value Tax value]. Скорее, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_value Face value]. Все равно длинно. Ладно, щас что-нибудь придумаю. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 23:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 2c / Template 2c == Николай, по твоему совету сделал две доп. строки в шапке. Но как перенести квадратики из 1-й в 3-ю, ума не приложу. Они задаются в коде как параметр для всей таблицы - class="wikitable sortable". Механический перенос его в 3-ю строку ничего не дает. А? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 09:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" |+ |- style="background-color:#FFCFCF;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | width="10%"|'''№№ по WWSC /<br />Изображение'''<br /> | '''Дата'''<br /> | width="450"|'''Описание'''<br /> | '''Художник'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Каталог ЦФА|ЦФА]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Скотт (каталог марок)|Скотт]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Михель (каталог марок)|Мих.]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Ивер и Телье (каталог марок)|Ивер]]'''<br /> | '''Тираж'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Номинал|Ном.]]'''<br /> | width="100" | '''[[w:ru:Зубцовка|Зубц.]]'''<br /> | width="250" |'''Прим.'''<br /> |- style="background-color:#FFCFCF;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | '''WWSC No./Image''' <br /> | '''Date''' <br /> | '''Description'''<br /> | '''Designer'''<br /> | '''CPA'''<br /> | '''[[w:Scott catalogue|Scott]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:Michel catalog|Mich.]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:Yvert et Tellier|Yver]]'''<br /> | '''Print run'''<br /> | '''Value'''<br /> | '''[[w:Perforation|Perf.]]'''<br /> | '''Notes'''<br /> |- style="background-color:#FFCFCF;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | | | | | | | | | | | | |- | bgcolor="#ffffdd" style="text-align:center;"|'''SUN-1991-????-????''' [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|150x150px]] | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | '''1991-04-23''' | bgcolor="#ffffdd" | '''100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева''' <br /> Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева. Коричневая /<br /><br />'''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev'''<br /> Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer. Brown | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | Б. Илюхин /<br /> B. Ilyukhin | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 6314 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 5993 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 6191 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 2300 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | 0.15 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" | C 12 ½ : 12 | bgcolor="#FFFEF0" |<s>Так как вид таблицы нарушается. Если писать примечания в новом столбце. Если только примечания совсем короткие.</s> |- |} === Обсуждение шаблона / Template discussion === У тебя сортируется вторая строка вместе с текстом. Не могу понять никак, что вы собираетесь сортировать? [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 09:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC) : Как временный выход - оставь квадратики в первой строке, весь русский текст перенеси во вторую, весь английский в третью. И будет всё стройненько и красивенько. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 13:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC) : Надо каким-то образом дать понять шаблону, где заканчивается голова таблицы и начинается тело. Как? [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 14:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :: Не знаю, пас. :( --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 17:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон 2d / Template 2d == Ещё шаблончик <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] ([[User talk:Mariluna|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mariluna|contribs]]) 19:42, 7 ноября 2007</span></small>: {|class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" |+ |- style="background-color:#E5E1A8;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | width="10%"|'''Марка<br />Stamp''' <!-- (если блок, то пишем блок)--><br /> | '''Дата<br />Issue''' <br /> | width="500"|'''Описание<br />Description'''<br /> | '''Художник<br />Designer'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Каталог ЦФА|ЦФА]]<br />CPA'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Скотт (каталог марок)|Скотт]]<br />[[w:Scott catalogue|Scott]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Михель (каталог марок)|Михель]]<br />[[w:Michel catalog|Michel]]'''<br /> | '''[[w:ru:Ивер и Телье (каталог марок)|Ивер]]<br />[[w:Yvert et Tellier|Yver]]'''<br /> | '''Тираж<br />Print run'''<br /> | '''Ном.<br />Value'''<br /> | '''Примечания<br />Notes'''<br /> |- style="background-color:#FFFEF0;" | bgcolor="#000000" align="center"|<span style="color:#ffff99">SUN-1989-????-????</span> [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|150x150px]] |'''1991-04-23''' | width="500"|'''100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева''' <br /> Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева.<br /><br />'''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev.'''<br /> Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer. | Б. Илюхин <br /><br /> B. Ilyukhin | bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |6314 | 5993 | bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |6191 | | 2300 | 0.15 | |- style="background-color:#FFFEF0;" | bgcolor="#000000" align="center"|<span style="color:#ffff99">SUN-1989-????-????</span> [[Image:1989 CPA 6043.jpg|150x150px]] |1989 | width="500"| Смотрите каталог за [[World Stamp Catalogue/Soviet Union/1989|1989]] г. и сравнивайте<!-- перф--> |<!-- 4 худ--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- 5 цфа--> |<!-- 6 скотт--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- 7 мих--> |<!-- 8 ив--> |<!-- 9 тир--> |<!-- 10 ном--> | |- style="background-color:#FFFEF0;" | bgcolor="#000000" align="center"|<span style="color:#ffff99">'''SUN-1989-????-????'''</span> [[Image:The Soviet Union 1991 CPA 6279 stamp (Fauna of the Black Sea. Frilly-mouthed jellyfish (Rhizostoma pulmo)) 1200dpi.jpg|150x150px]] |1989 | width="500"| No comments <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov A.]] ([[User talk:Sdobnikov A.|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sdobnikov A.|contribs]]) 21:54, 7 ноября 2007</span></small><!-- перф--> |<!-- 4 худ--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- 5 цфа--> |<!-- 6 скотт--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- 7 мих--> |<!-- 8 ив--> |<!-- 9 тир--> |<!-- 10 ном--> | |- style="background-color:#FFFEF0;" | bgcolor="#E5E1A8" style="text-align:center;"|'''SUN-1989-????-????''' [[Image:The Soviet Union 1991 CPA 6279 stamp (Fauna of the Black Sea. Frilly-mouthed jellyfish (Rhizostoma pulmo)) 1200dpi.jpg|150x150px]] |1989 | width="500"| See comments below --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 22:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC) |<!-- 4 худ--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- 5 цфа--> |<!-- 6 скотт--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- 7 мих--> |<!-- 8 ив--> |<!-- 9 тир--> |<!-- 10 ном--> | |} === Обсуждение шаблона / Template discussion === * Возражаю против черного фона в первом поле. Никогда не был сторонником использования такой цветовой гаммы в текстах и на сайтах. Но, может, на вкус и цвет... --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 20:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Хмм, а марка-то смотрится заметнее. Может, просто чуть посерее сделать? --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 21:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Начинаете меня переубеждать. :) Можно, и так оставить. Только желтые буквы, по-моему, плохо читаемы. Может, хотя бы жирным выделить? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Мда, Андрей, вот это ты поставил нас на место. :) И верно - есть ромбы, треугольники, а еще овалы, круги... О! А что если для таких случаев отменять фон вообще? Пробую. Да, а желтые жирные буквы номера все-таки лучше смотрятся - сравните. Одобряете? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 22:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC) : А смысл его (чёрный) применять вообще? [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 22:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC) :: Как сказал Лёня, марка смотрится заметнее. Вот! --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 23:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC) * Действительно лучше смотрится. Хорошая гамма. Без розового-голубого гораздо солиднее всё. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 05:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC) *Может марки с белым фоном пересканировать на белом фоне, чтобы черной полоски не было. Так как эти марки темные, и белый будет контрастнее смотреться, а черная полоска сливается с маркой и зубцы плохо видно.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 08:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC) * Машенька, мне Вас жалко, если Вы собираетесь загубить свою молодую жизнь на пересканирование марок и создание викикаталогов. :) А если серьезно, смысла в этом большого нет. Я же сделал пример, когда для таких марок можно убрать в виде исключения черный фон. Ничего страшного при этом не произойдет. Поверьте мне. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 09:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC) Производство мебели Донецк. Изготовление мебели Донецк. Металлопластиковые окна, двери, фурнитура. Вертикальные и горизонтальные жалюзи, ролеты. 83114, Украина, Донецкая Область, г. Донецк, ул. Университетская, 78, Офис №3 == О поисковых системах / Re searching engines == Минус в англ викибуке - при поиске по слову в википедии не будет работать наш каталог. И в поисковых системах рунета наверное тоже.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 02:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC) : Мария, не спешите. Наша страница '''World Stamp Catalogue/Soviet Union''' только-только создана и еще не попала в поисковики мировой паутины. Но дайте несколько недель - и Вы увидите, картина поменятся. Пример: страница [[World Stamp Catalogue/United States]] имеет [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=World_Stamp_Catalogue/United_States&action=history историю] начиная с 14 мая 2007 года и прекрасно распознается интернет-поисковиками, включая [http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&hl=ru&q=World%20Stamp%20Catalogue%2FUnited%20States Google] · [http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=World%20Stamp%20Catalogue%2FUnited%20States MSN] · [http://search.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=World%20Stamp%20Catalogue%2FUnited%20States&ei=UTF-8 Yahoo!]. А в Википедии содержимое Wikibooks и не должно быть доступным через поиск. Все википроекты в этом плане не зависимы друг от друга. Вы ведь не можете в Википедии искать что-то на Складе? Мы можем лишь в своих викистатьях там, где уместно, давать ссылки на контент Wikibooks. Так что никаких особых минусов нет и быть не может. Смею Вас заверить и успокоить. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 05:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC) == [[World Stamp Catalogue/Stamp valuation]] == Похоже, что нам необходимо сделать еще одну колонку. Этого требуют правила. Или использовать для этого столбец "Тираж", расписывая поля вот так, например: '''D (10,000)'''? Что скажите, господа? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 20:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC) Ну можно и так.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 09:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) == Заморочки / New template design flaws == Мда, коллеги, ИМХО, мы слишком заморочились на шаблонах. Я посмотрел на уже проделанные здесь работы, всё везде просто и понятно. Без наворотов, но эффективно. ИМХО, конечно. Я, скорее всего, оставлю эту затею с каталогом, так как мне она уже не приносит никакого удовлетворения. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 22:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC) : И то правда, друзья, посмотрите, как [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/China/1941 люди] реализуют уже имеющийся стандратный шаблон, что на самом деле обычная викитаблица. Простенько, лаконично, без наворотов и по делу. Я бы её только чуть-чуть подправил, увеличив общую ширину и добавив Valuation. И русский текст достаточен только для описания. Вопрос с сериями тоже решаем (см. пример ниже). Если марка одиночная, то в сине-зеленую строку вписывается только название выпуска. Если это серия, то, кроме ее названия, в сине-зеленую строку записываются все общие для данной серии элементы (художник, зубцовка и т.д.). Кто за? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 00:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: а если серия, но зубцовка или авторы миниатюр разные? --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 09:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::: А, ну, это просто - в этом случае они уже не являются общими элементами и вписываются в описание отдельных марок серии. О, хорошо, что Вы объявились, пока я писал пост ниже. Итак, прошу Вас высказаться и проголосовать. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 09:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :::: в таком случае у данного шаблона будет та же "болезнь" что и у шаблона 2С - он будет сильно вытянутый по высоте. Проголосовал еще утром. См. ниже. --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 11:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: Вытягивание по высоте зависит главным образом от первой колонки, а не от описания. И потом - какой у Вас монитор? У меня и на 15- и на 17-дюймовом колонка с описанием выглядит нормально. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ;Стандартный WWSC шаблон-таблица / Standard WWSC Template: {| width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="3" | '''Date/Image''' | bgcolor="#ccffcc" | '''Catalogue Number''' | '''Description''' | '''Reference''' | '''[[World Stamp Catalogue/Stamp valuation|Valuation]] & Other Notes''' |- |+ |- bgcolor="#ccffff" | ''1991-04-23'' | colspan="4"|''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev / 100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева'' |- | style="text-align:center;"|[[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|100x100px]] | bgcolor="#ccffcc" | SUN-1991-????-???? | '''Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer'''. Brown. Designer: B. Ilyukhin. Value: 0.15. Issued: 2,300. C 12½:12 / '''Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева'''. Коричневая. Худ. Б. Илюхин | CPA 6314, Sc 5993, Mi 6191 | C |- |+ |- bgcolor="#ccffff" | ''1989-02-08'' | colspan="4"|''Russian samovars. Designer: G. Timofeev. C 11½ / Русские самовары. Худ. Г. Тимофеев'' |- | style="text-align:center;"|[[Image:1989 CPA 6043.jpg|100x100px]] | bgcolor="#ccffcc" | SUN-1989-????-???? | '''Pear-like samovar, 18th c'''. Value: 0.05. Issued: 3,600 / '''Самовар грушевидной формы, XVIII в.''' | CPA 6043, Mi 5924 | C |- | style="text-align:center;"|[[Image:1989 CPA 6044.jpg|100x100px]] | bgcolor="#ccffcc" | SUN-1989-????-???? | '''Samovar-barrel by Ivan Lisitsin of Tula, early 19th c'''. Value: 0.10. Issued: 3,200 / '''Самовар-бочонок Ивана Лисицына из Тулы, начало XVIII в.''' | CPA 6044, Mi 5925 | C |} == Голосование 1 / Voting 1 == Голосуем: ---- ;Template 1.1: ---- ;Template 1.2: '''За'''. Только вот он получается слишком вытянутый по вертикали, что-бы этого избежать можно колонку "описание" сделать горизонтальной и ставить с самого верха. --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 09:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : В этом варианте действительно колонка с описанием сильно разбухла. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ---- ;Template 2a: ---- ;Template 2b: ---- ;Template 2c: ---- ;Template 2d: ---- ;Standard WWSC Template: * '''За.''' --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 00:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC) * '''За.''' - только серии должны быть отделены друг от друга. Я и брал для своего шаблона 1.1 за основу стандартную таблицу. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 04:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Спасибо. Оценил твои колебания. :) А разве при таком варианте они не отделены (сине-зелеными строками для каждого нового выпуска)? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 05:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC) * Воздерживаюсь. [[User:Nickpo|Nickpo]] 05:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC) * '''За.''' - При этом терзаюсь некоторыми угрызениями совести. Как всегда в Википедии, голосуют те, кто не собирается особо работать над проектом, а инициаторам и главным исполнителям проекта остается только претворять результаты их голосования. По-моему, голос Марилуны должен приравниваться как минимум к трём (если, конечно, у нее отличное мнение). В конечном итоге главное, чтобы каталог страны был унифицирован по одному шаблону. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 08:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC) === Обсуждение / Discussion === Знаете, самое трудное, это выбор шаблона. А потом марки добавлять можно уже по накатанной схеме. Будет обидно переделывать все года потом, когда кто-нибудь предложит шаблон еще лучше. Лучше утвердить один удобный шаблон для заполнения, чем каждый будет делать по-своему. Андрей настаивает на своём шаблоне. А Вы, Андрей, будете делать каталоги со своим шаблоном? Или только хотите шаблон утвердить и забыть про его существование. На дворе 2007 год, почему мы должны использовать старый 2006 г. шаблон, если можно его улучшить. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 08:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Маша, я готов '''работать''' над проектом, а не переливать из пустого в порожнее с затягиванием выбора шаблона. Ведь, насколько я знаю, каталоги не у всех имеются, дабы нумерацию марок проставлять, тираж указывать и фамилию художника. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 13:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Да. Согласен. Давайте уже определяться. А каталогов - у меня так точно нет. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Маша, не ругайтесь, пожалуйста, и не обижайтесь. Андрей не меньше Вашего провозился с этим проектом и, тем не менее, не проголосовал за свой вариант. Поддерживаю Леонида: Ваш голос должен приравниваться как минимум к трём. Расклад на данный момент, Вы видите, какой: :* Если Вы голосуете, как все (то есть, как трое, проголосовавших уже за один и тот же шаблон), проходит стандартный вариант (слегка мною подрихтованный). :* Если голосуете за 2d (по-видимому, Ваш фаворит), я думаю, будет справедливо засчитать Вам сразу более 3 голосов и выдать Вам [[w:ru:карт-бланш|карт-бланш]] на осуществление всего проекта. Согласны? : Ожидать новых голосов не приходится, если, конечно, не проявит себя Agent001, находившийся здесь на начальных этапах обсуждения. Якив на мой запрос (пока) не ответил. А Роман [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:StraSSenBahn#World_Stamp_Catalogue.2FSoviet_Union уклонился] от обсуждения. Поэтому итог будем подводить, скорее всего, без них. Правда, есть еще другие участники и наблюдатели филпроекта. Можно, персонально обратиться и к ним. Мне только кажется, что они, не зная всех деталей обсуждаемых вопросов, не смогут достаточно объективно рассудить нас. Или все-таки обратиться к ним? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 09:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Маша, слово за Вами. Мне лично кажется, что эта функция сортировки не больно чего даёт, зато лишает нас возможности давать общий заголовок сериям и общие сведения для всей серии. Что Вам подсказывает практический опыт заполнения 1989 года? Хочется поскорее утвердить один шаблон и начать конкретную работу. Естественно, все мы будем работать с одним и тем же шаблоном, который согласуем. Миша, по большому счету, прав, принципиальной разницы для каталога нет. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 12:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ** Здравствуйте! Я не против шаблона, который предлагается. Но мой нравится больше с точки зрения технического заполнения. Варианты в виде сплошной таблицы, без шапок и названий выпусков в заголовках выполнить проще и быстрее. А цвета можно всегда поменять. Это легко сделать с помощью замены. Я голосую за свой вариант. Хотя, пусть Андрей выбирает года и заполняет их своим шаблоном, а я буду заполнять своим шаблоном другой период. А остальные будут принимать участие в дополнении и исправлении информации. Я не хочу, чтобы Андрей обижался, но я тоже упертый близнец, как и он. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 14:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC) *** Друзья, упираться не надо. Я (как козерог) мог бы тут тоже с Вами пободаться. :) Но давайте идти на компромиссы. Маша, Вы же видите, мы с Леонидом, например, готовы пойти Вам на встречу. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Если каждый будет заполнять каталог своими таблицами, то это получится полная ерунда. А если здесь делать толкьо на английском, то это работа для двоих - Михаила и Леонида, так как остальные участники, в том числе и я, имеют в английском весьма слабые познания. Маша, я предложил, как мне кажется, компромисный вариант с двумя параллельными проектами, но если Вы против, то тогда мне нечего больше предложить. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 15:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC) В этом варианте хорошо то, что не надо для каждой марки в серии писать название выпуска. А таблице нужно в каждой строчке. Но я думаю, что это не страшно.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Серии все-таки желательно как-то выделять в списке. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) * Тогда давайте выберем конкретный вариант по цвету, я залью автоматом все года, а потом вручную будем дописывать, что сможем. При заливке укажу всё что смогу. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC) *И ещё - названия выпусков и описания марок берём с каталогов? Если так, то это не нарушение авторского права? --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : В принципе, это должны быть официальные государственные названия знаков почтовой оплаты, не охраняемые авторским правом либо общепринятые (если только составители не напридумывали что-то своё). У составителя может быть только авторское право на состав сборника. Нам надо только добавлять своё и подправлять, если не устраивает, и состав получится другой. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 18:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Названия и описания берем из каталогов - откуда ж еще. Один к одному ведь все равно не получится, так что волноваться особо не нужно. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) == Голосование 2 / Voting 2 == Коллеги, нам ничего не мешает вести параллельно два проекта. Всё равно же хотели на Русском Викебуке делать каталог. Предлагаю, раз уж мы начали осуществлять проект на Английской территории, применить здесь стандартный шаблон, с английскимпереводом. На Русском Викебуке, где мы не будет наездов ни Лам, ни Гуанако, использовать шаблон Марии без английского перевода, что сократит таблицу вдвое. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 12:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : '''ЗА''' --[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 13:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : '''ЗА''' [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 13:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : '''Против.''' Тогда не получится '''уникального''' продукта, а будет просто таблица, как на других сайтах. Еще могут стереть как копивио. А так будет видно, что здесь была проведена работа, а не просто скопирован текст. Лучше на рус викибуке сделать англо-русскую версию, а здесь только на английском.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 14:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: а зачем на руВикибуке англо-русскую? Только русскую. а здесь - значит только англ.--[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 15:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Копивио не будет. Контенты всех Википроектов в свободном доступе, тем более, что мы же сами и будем авторы данных продуктов. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : '''ЗА''' Но как предложила Марилуна. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 18:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : '''ЗА'''. Но дублировать русский текст в английской версии нет смысла. Вы забываете, друзья, что есть такие штучки, '''интервики''' называются. Английский и русский викибукс-каталоги будут сшиты между собой с помощью интервики. А тогда надобность в русском переводе в английском варианте отпадает. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Тогда мы, плохо владеющие английским, будем разрабатывать русскую версию, а на Михаила с Леонидом ложится английский перевод. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 19:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Отлично, консенсус есть получается. Давайте подтвердим окончательную форму шаблона, и завтра можно начинать! --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::: No problem. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC) Сделал титульную страницу в Викиучебнике для русского языка: [[http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/Каталог_почтовых_марок_СССР]]. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] ([[User talk:Leonid Dzhepko|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leonid Dzhepko|contribs]]) 16:39, 9 ноября 2007</span></small> : Замечательно. Надеюсь, Андрей с Машей как здесь потренируются, перенесут всю русскую часть туда. А здесь останется одна английская. Интервики между двумя версиями я уже проставил. Есть ли смысл оставлять русский дубляж на заглавной странице каталога и других описательно-пояснительных страницах на en.wikibooks? Разве что для тех будущих русскоговорящих участников с плохим уровнем английского, которые будут подключаться к проекту. В принципе ты, Лёня, ведь и на складе основные инструкции попереводил. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 00:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC) == Шаблон (еще один) / One more new template == {| width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" align="center" |- style="background-color:#E5E1A8;font-size:9.0pt;" valign="top" align="center" | '''Date/Image''' | '''Catalogue Number''' | width="460"|'''Description''' | '''CPA''' | '''[[w:Scott catalogue|Scott]]''' | '''[[w:Michel catalog|Mich.]]''' | '''[[w:Yvert et Tellier|Yver]]''' | '''[[World Stamp Catalogue/Stamp valuation|Valuation]] & Other Notes''' |- bgcolor="#F6F4D1" | align="center"|''1991-04-23'' | colspan="7"|''100th anniversary of Sergey S. Prokofiev / 100-летие со дня рождения С. С. Прокофьева'' |- bgcolor="#FFFEF0" align="center" | bgcolor="#000000" | [[Image:1991 CPA 6314.jpg|130x130px]] | SUN-1991-????-???? | align="left" width="460"|'''Portrait of Sergey S. Prokofiev, composer'''. Brown. Designer: B. Ilyukhin. Value: 0.15. Issued: 2,300. C 12½:12 <br />'''Портрет композитора С. С. Прокофьева'''. Коричневая. Худ. Б. Илюхин |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |6314 |5993 |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |6191 |<!-- ивер--> | C <!-- тираж в тыс.--> |- bgcolor="#F6F4D1" | align="center"|''1989-02-08'' | colspan="7"|''Russian samovars. Designer: G. Timofeev. C 11½ / Русские самовары. Худ. Г. Тимофеев'' |- bgcolor="#FFFEF0" align="center" | bgcolor="#000000" |[[Image:1989 CPA 6043.jpg|130x130px]] | SUN-1989-????-???? | align="left" width="460"|'''Pear-like samovar, 18th c'''. Value: 0.05. Issued: 3,600 <br /> '''Самовар грушевидной формы, XVIII в.''' |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |6043 |<!-- скотт--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |5924 |<!-- ивер--> | C <!-- тираж в тыс.--> |- bgcolor="#FFFEF0" align="center" | bgcolor="#000000" |[[Image:1989 CPA 6044.jpg|130x130px]] | SUN-1989-????-???? | align="left" width="460"|'''Samovar-barrel by Ivan Lisitsyn of Tula, early 19th c'''. Value: 0.10. Issued: 3,200 <br /> '''Самовар-бочонок Ивана Лисицына из Тулы, начало XVIII в.''' |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- цфа--> |<!-- скотт--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- мих--> |<!-- 7 ивер--> | C <!-- тираж в тыс.--> |- bgcolor="#FFFEF0" align="center" | [[Image:The Soviet Union 1991 CPA 6279 stamp (Fauna of the Black Sea. Frilly-mouthed jellyfish (Rhizostoma pulmo)) 1200dpi.jpg|130x130px]] | SUN-1991-????-???? | align="left" | |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- цфа--> |<!-- скотт--> |bgcolor="#F6F4D1" |<!-- мих--> |<!-- 7 ивер--> | C <!-- тираж в тыс.--> |} === And one more discussion === Что скажете?--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 18:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : А куда подевался Ивер? --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 18:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Отлично! Ивер добавил. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 18:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Маша, вот видите, все-таки на компромиссы и Вы способны. :) Ваш вариант уже практически мой, только в Вашей фирменной цветовой упаковке, плюс для каталогов Вы дали отдельные колонки. Но я бы их объединил в одну все-таки - Reference (как было в стандартном шаблоне). Смысла в разбивке по каталогам нет, раз уж нет сортировки. А место несколько дополнительных колонок занимают, больше чем одна Reference, тем самым сжимая ширину описания. Тогда отпадет справедливый вопрос Леонида по Иверу. Кроме того, уменьшите размер имиджей со 150 до 100 px. Так таблица станет еще более компактной, а описание растянется по горизонтали. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 19:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC) **Да совсем уменьшать изображения не хочется. Колонки по номерам удобнее, так как писать не надо каждый раз какой это каталог. У меня смотрится на мониторе нормально. Тем более, текст бывает разным, бывает много текста.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 19:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: А на серединке (125px) сторгуемся? Чтобы и вашим, и нашим. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::: ''(совсем жалобным голосом, местами шмыгая носом)'' Маш, а так нечестнааа... Зачем Вы втихаря в свою сторону опять прибавили? Думаете, как [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Mariluna#.D0.9E.D1.80.D0.B4.D0.B5.D0.BD_.C2.AB.D0.91.D1.83.D0.B4.D1.8C_.D0.B3.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B5.D0.BC.21.C2.BB орден] геройский получили, так Вам теперича всё дозволено? :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 23:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Согласен. Сделал небольшой отступ от края. ИМХО, не помешает. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 19:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Может сократим "Михель" до "Мих." и "Michel" до "Mich.", чтобы одной длины были колонки каталогов? --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 20:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::: {{done}} и убрал русские названия каталогов. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC) А зачем курсив убрали из названий серий? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC) : Если не хотите курсив, сделайте жирным. И дату тогда тоже жирным и по центру. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :: Через чур жирным тоже не надо делать. Я вернул курсив. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 21:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Вот так-то оно красивше будет. Или, как говорит наш Николай, ''кузявее''. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 21:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :::: Ну что, можно приступать к работе? [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 22:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ::::: Верните мне моих 125px! А тогда и приступайте. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 23:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC) :::::: Вот, совсем другой коленкор! Спасибо, Андрей. Хоть ты надо мной сжалился. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 00:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC) Может есть смысл сделать колонку "номинал" и "тираж"? ИМХО писать в описании каждой позиции слово "Value" и "Issued" не рационально. Вариант: в самой верхней строке, где названия колонок, написать так -"Описание марки, тираж(тыс), номинал(руб)"--[[User:Agent001|Agent001]] 09:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC) : Ну это мы тогда опять вернемся к начальным вариантам и уйдем от стандарта. Маша вон стала тираж включать в Valuation, что не верно, как уже здесь выше пояснял Лёня. Тут надо бы спросить у Андрея, который пока всё прописывает в Description. Андрей, это не утомительно? Как ты выходишь из положения? Или каждый раз вручную набиваешь? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 01:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC) :: Андрей, ты так и не ответил на вопросы выше. Это важно. Я категорически против того, что у нас получился разнобой на страницах 1989 и 1991 года, причем не по твоей вине. :: Маша, в Valuation тираж не должен стоять! Ставьте буквенные обозначения - а, бэ, це и т.д.! Указывайте тираж в Description! Вы ведь прописываете там Value, что за проблема тогда с тиражом? И вернитесь к 125px! --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 18:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC) *Внимание, в изображениях надо ставить 125x125px, так как марки высокие получаются по высоте 125, марки низкие по ширине 125. В таком виде как сейчас, получается так, что самовары больше марки с Прокофьевым. А это не так. И почему 125? Почему 150 не устраивает? Маловато. Я уже начала переделывать 1989 г. Пока его не трогайте. Выбирайте года, над которыми будете работать вплотную, чтобы не было конфликтов редактирования. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 11:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC) :: Спасибо за замечание по 125x125px. А вот маловато или нет? Ну мы же это уже обсуждали. Размер первой клетки задает общую высоту, поэтому при увеличении px таблица будет только расти по вертикали. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 01:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Маша, при таком упорстве в молчаливом проталкивании 150px Вы достойны стать дважды Героем. :) --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 18:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC) : Я беру 1991. [[User:Sdobnikov A.|Sdobnikov Andrey]] 12:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC) УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ДАМЫ И ГОСПОДА! Какой шаблон окончательный? Надо подбить итог: написать здесь на аглицком, вывесить шаблон в шаблонах, описать порядок его заполнения на странице каталога и дать ссылки на него, где только можно. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 13:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC) Этот последний. Но все равно, в ходе работы будет менятся. --[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 16:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC) : Вот так вот, Лёня. Хозяйка - барыня. :) Поэтому пусть пока оно всё обкатывается, а через неделю-другую (месяц?) можно расписать все инструкции. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 01:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC) :: ОК, ждём-с, "до первой звезды нельзя-с". --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 16:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC) :: Беру 1988 г. оформлять--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 01:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC) :: Беру 1971 г. оформлять. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 12:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC) == Colors / Порядок обозначения цвета == Маша, Андрей, можете на основании каталогов описать сабж для нашего каталога? Надо будет как-то сопоставить с английской (международной?) системой. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 13:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC) : Ты имеешь в виду расписывание на Рубукс всего, что дано [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue здесь] и на подстраницах английского каталога? Или что? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 01:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC) :: Оно бы так, но, насколько я подозреваю на русском языке, в русскоязычных каталогах за основу взята другая система обозначения цвета, и их надо будет как-то соотнести (или оговорить). В ЦФА как? --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] 18:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC) ::: Понял. Раз у нас другая система, тогда надо ей пользоваться. Нет? --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 18:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC) == Изображения / Images == : ''Перенесено со страницы [[w:ru:Обсуждение Википедии:Проект:Филателия/Архив-2007 (ноябрь—декабрь)]]'' Друзья, прежде чем сканировать марки и заливать на склад (особенно в рамках подпроекта [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Stamp_Catalogue/Soviet_Union КАТАЛОГ]), проверьте категории [[w:ru:Категория:Изображения:Почтовые марки]], [[w:ru:Категория:Изображения:Советские марки]] и [[w:en:Category:Public domain stamp images]], чтобы не делать лишней работы по сканированию. Уже столкнулся, минимум, с тремя случаями дубляжа. —[[Участник:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] 09:38, 13 ноября 2007 (UTC) ==Задание на проверку== * [[World Stamp Catalogue/Soviet Union/1989]] можно корректировать.--[[User:Mariluna|Mariluna]] 22:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC) == If your interested... == I don't know if anyone is still around who would be interested in this, but with some of the issues that have been presented with this and past desires to make translations and multilingual books, I thought perhaps there is a chance some of you would be interested in and understand the need for a multilingual wikibooks project. If anyone is still around and is interested, you should discuss this on my proposal to create such at project at [[Meta:Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Multilingual]]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC) : Sorry, Darklama, I am grateful for your suggestion and I have carefully reviewed your proposal, but I think we can do English catalogue in en:wikibooks, and Russian catalogue in ru:wikibooks, making cross-references between them. I don't see any good in starting yet another wikiproject. --[[User:Leonid Dzhepko|Leonid Dzhepko]] ([[User talk:Leonid Dzhepko|talk]]) 13:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC) :: I agree with the Leonid's opinion. Sorry. --[[User:Michael Romanov|Michael Romanov]] ([[User talk:Michael Romanov|talk]]) 19:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC) sy5q859dwm6z101xel6qjqjgcyoycrj 0 152313 4639365 3468436 2026-06-08T17:38:52Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639365 wikitext text/x-wiki {| cellspacing=3 width="100%" |- valign="top" | bgcolor="lightyellow" style="border:2px solid black;padding:1.5em;padding-top:1.5em;"| <span style="font-size:medium; font-fmaily:'Courier New'">This book currently consists of a proposal for a collaboratively-authored, open-licensed [[w:Tertiary education|tertiary-level]] introduction to the field of '''outdoor education'''. If you want to join in, great - [[Project:Be bold|Be bold]]! See also [[w:outdoor education|outdoor education]] (Wikipedia) and [[v:Outdoor education|outdoor education]] (Wikiversity).</span> | [[Image:CircleOfFriends.jpg|right|165px]] |} ==Table of contents== {{wikipedia|Outdoor education}} {{wikiversity|Outdoor education}} {{commonscat|Outdoor education}} [[File:Gnome-devel.svg|16px]] Feel free to add extra chapters (or headings within chapters) which you would like to read or contribute to. All ideas are welcome, although they will get restructured as the book develops: # [[/Scope of outdoor education|Definition and scope]] {{stage|25%}} # [[/History|History]] {{stage|00%}} # [[/Around the world|Around the world]] {{stage|25%}} # [[/Environment/]] {{stage|00%}} # [[/Experiential learning/]] {{stage|00%}} # [[/Groups and leadership/]] {{stage|00%}} # [[/Facilitation techniques/]] {{stage|00%}} # [[/Risk and safety/]] {{stage|00%}} ==How to help== * Create a user account (top right). * <big><big><big>'''[[Wikibooks:Be bold|Be bold]]'''</big></big></big> and start fleshing out possible content on the book's main page, or create sub-pages for specific content. * Add any discussion, ideas, questions, etc. to the book's '''discussion''' page (by editing it - top middle) * If you want to learn [[wikipedia:Wiki|wiki]] then try [[Help:Contents|help]]. * If you are teaching an outdoor education unit to trainees, this book could really do with some ''student-authored'' content being posted here! Contact [[User:Jtneill|Jtneill]] if you want a hand to set up such a learning/assessment exercise. ==Subpages== * [[/Contributors|Contributors]] * [[/Proposal|Proposal]] * [[/Wishlist|Wishlist]] ==See also== ;Related books * [[First Aid]] ==External links== * [http://groups.google.com/group/outdooreducation Outdoor Education] (Google Group) * [http://www.teachertube.com/gvideos.php?gid=613 Outdoor Education] (TeacherTube) ==References== Knapp,C.E.(2005).The "I-thou" relationship, place-based education, and aldo leopold. 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TRUMP-6|&#x1f0e6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-7|&#x1f0e7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-8|&#x1f0e8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-9|&#x1f0e9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-10|&#x1f0ea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-11|&#x1f0eb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-12|&#x1f0ec;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-13|&#x1f0ed;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-14|&#x1f0ee;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-15|&#x1f0ef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F0Fx |style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-16|&#x1f0f0;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-17|&#x1f0f1;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-18|&#x1f0f2;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-19|&#x1f0f3;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-20|&#x1f0f4;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYING CARD TRUMP-21|&#x1f0f5;}}||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#78ffca" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F10x |{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT ZERO FULL STOP|&#x1f100;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT ZERO COMMA|&#x1f101;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT ONE COMMA|&#x1f102;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT TWO COMMA|&#x1f103;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT THREE COMMA|&#x1f104;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT FOUR COMMA|&#x1f105;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT FIVE COMMA|&#x1f106;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT SIX COMMA|&#x1f107;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT SEVEN COMMA|&#x1f108;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT EIGHT COMMA|&#x1f109;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIGIT NINE COMMA|&#x1f10a;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|DINGBAT CIRCLED SANS-SERIF DIGIT ZERO|&#x1f10b;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|DINGBAT NEGATIVE CIRCLED SANS-SERIF DIGIT ZERO|&#x1f10c;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED ZERO WITH SLASH|&#x1f10d;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED ANTICLOCKWISE ARROW|&#x1f10e;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED DOLLAR SIGN WITH OVERLAID BACKSLASH|&#x1f10f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#78ffca" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F11x |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x1f110;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x1f111;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x1f112;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x1f113;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x1f114;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x1f115;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x1f116;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x1f117;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x1f118;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x1f119;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x1f11a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x1f11b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x1f11c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x1f11d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x1f11e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x1f11f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#78ffca" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F12x |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x1f120;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x1f121;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S|&#x1f122;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x1f123;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x1f124;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x1f125;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x1f126;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x1f127;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x1f128;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x1f129;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S|&#x1f12a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED ITALIC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x1f12b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED ITALIC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x1f12c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED CD|&#x1f12d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED WZ|&#x1f12e;}}||style="background:#d093ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|COPYLEFT SYMBOL|&#x1f12f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F13x |{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x1f130;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x1f131;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x1f132;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x1f133;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x1f134;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x1f135;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x1f136;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x1f137;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x1f138;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x1f139;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x1f13a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x1f13b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x1f13c;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x1f13d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x1f13e;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x1f13f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F14x |{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x1f140;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x1f141;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S|&#x1f142;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x1f143;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x1f144;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x1f145;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x1f146;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x1f147;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x1f148;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x1f149;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED HV|&#x1f14a;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED MV|&#x1f14b;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SD|&#x1f14c;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SS|&#x1f14d;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED PPV|&#x1f14e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED WC|&#x1f14f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F15x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x1f150;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x1f151;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x1f152;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x1f153;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x1f154;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x1f155;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x1f156;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x1f157;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x1f158;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x1f159;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x1f15a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x1f15b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x1f15c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x1f15d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x1f15e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x1f15f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F16x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x1f160;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x1f161;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S|&#x1f162;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x1f163;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x1f164;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x1f165;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x1f166;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x1f167;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x1f168;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x1f169;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RAISED MC SIGN|&#x1f16a;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RAISED MD SIGN|&#x1f16b;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RAISED MR SIGN|&#x1f16c;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED CC|&#x1f16d;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED C WITH OVERLAID BACKSLASH|&#x1f16e;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED HUMAN FIGURE|&#x1f16f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F17x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x1f170;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x1f171;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x1f172;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x1f173;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x1f174;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x1f175;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x1f176;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x1f177;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x1f178;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x1f179;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x1f17a;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x1f17b;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x1f17c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x1f17d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x1f17e;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x1f17f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F18x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x1f180;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x1f181;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S|&#x1f182;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x1f183;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x1f184;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x1f185;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x1f186;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x1f187;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x1f188;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x1f189;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CROSSED NEGATIVE SQUARED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x1f18a;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED IC|&#x1f18b;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED PA|&#x1f18c;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED SA|&#x1f18d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED AB|&#x1f18e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE SQUARED WC|&#x1f18f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F19x |style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE DJ|&#x1f190;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CL|&#x1f191;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED COOL|&#x1f192;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED FREE|&#x1f193;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED ID|&#x1f194;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED NEW|&#x1f195;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED NG|&#x1f196;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED OK|&#x1f197;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SOS|&#x1f198;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED UP WITH EXCLAMATION MARK|&#x1f199;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED VS|&#x1f19a;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED THREE D|&#x1f19b;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SECOND SCREEN|&#x1f19c;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED TWO K|&#x1f19d;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED FOUR K|&#x1f19e;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED EIGHT K|&#x1f19f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#9c8dff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F1Ax |{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED FIVE POINT ONE|&#x1f1a0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SEVEN POINT ONE|&#x1f1a1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED TWENTY-TWO POINT TWO|&#x1f1a2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SIXTY P|&#x1f1a3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED ONE HUNDRED TWENTY P|&#x1f1a4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LATIN SMALL LETTER D|&#x1f1a5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED HC|&#x1f1a6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED HDR|&#x1f1a7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED HI-RES|&#x1f1a8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED LOSSLESS|&#x1f1a9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED SHV|&#x1f1aa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED UHD|&#x1f1ab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED VOD|&#x1f1ac;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MASK WORK SYMBOL|&#x1f1ad;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TOMOBIKI SYMBOL|&#x1f1ae;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY ONE FULL STOP|&#x1f1af;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F1Bx |{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY TWO FULL STOP|&#x1f1b0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY THREE FULL STOP|&#x1f1b1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY FOUR FULL STOP|&#x1f1b2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY FIVE FULL STOP|&#x1f1b3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY SIX FULL STOP|&#x1f1b4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY SEVEN FULL STOP|&#x1f1b5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY EIGHT FULL STOP|&#x1f1b6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER TWENTY NINE FULL STOP|&#x1f1b7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUMBER THIRTY FULL STOP|&#x1f1b8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE ONE A|&#x1f1b9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE TWO A|&#x1f1ba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE THREE A|&#x1f1bb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE FIVE A|&#x1f1bc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE SIX A|&#x1f1bd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE SEVEN A|&#x1f1be;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE EIGHT A|&#x1f1bf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F1Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F1Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F1Ex |style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER A|&#x1f1e6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER B|&#x1f1e7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER C|&#x1f1e8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER D|&#x1f1e9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER E|&#x1f1ea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER F|&#x1f1eb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER G|&#x1f1ec;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER H|&#x1f1ed;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER I|&#x1f1ee;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER J|&#x1f1ef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F1Fx |{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER K|&#x1f1f0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER L|&#x1f1f1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER M|&#x1f1f2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER N|&#x1f1f3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER O|&#x1f1f4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER P|&#x1f1f5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER Q|&#x1f1f6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER R|&#x1f1f7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER S|&#x1f1f8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER T|&#x1f1f9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER U|&#x1f1fa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER V|&#x1f1fb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER W|&#x1f1fc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER X|&#x1f1fd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER Y|&#x1f1fe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER Z|&#x1f1ff;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Enclosed Ideographic Supplement''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F20x |style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE HIRAGANA HOKA|&#x1f200;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED KATAKANA KOKO|&#x1f201;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED KATAKANA SA|&#x1f202;}}||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#78ffca" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F21x |{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-624B|&#x1f210;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5B57|&#x1f211;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-53CC|&#x1f212;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED KATAKANA DE|&#x1f213;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E8C|&#x1f214;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-591A|&#x1f215;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-89E3|&#x1f216;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5929|&#x1f217;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4EA4|&#x1f218;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6620|&#x1f219;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7121|&#x1f21a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6599|&#x1f21b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-524D|&#x1f21c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5F8C|&#x1f21d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-518D|&#x1f21e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-65B0|&#x1f21f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#78ffca" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F22x |{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-521D|&#x1f220;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7D42|&#x1f221;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-751F|&#x1f222;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8CA9|&#x1f223;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-58F0|&#x1f224;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5439|&#x1f225;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6F14|&#x1f226;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6295|&#x1f227;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6355|&#x1f228;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E00|&#x1f229;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E09|&#x1f22a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-904A|&#x1f22b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5DE6|&#x1f22c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E2D|&#x1f22d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-53F3|&#x1f22e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6307|&#x1f22f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F23x |style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8D70|&#x1f230;}}||style="background:#78ffca"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6253|&#x1f231;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7981|&#x1f232;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7A7A|&#x1f233;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5408|&#x1f234;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6E80|&#x1f235;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6709|&#x1f236;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6708|&#x1f237;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7533|&#x1f238;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5272|&#x1f239;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-55B6|&#x1f23a;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-914D|&#x1f23b;}}||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#78ffca" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F24x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-672C|&#x1f240;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E09|&#x1f241;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E8C|&#x1f242;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5B89|&#x1f243;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-70B9|&#x1f244;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6253|&#x1f245;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-76D7|&#x1f246;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-52DD|&#x1f247;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6557|&#x1f248;}}||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F25x |style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH ADVANTAGE|&#x1f250;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH ACCEPT|&#x1f251;}}||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F26x |style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUNDED SYMBOL FOR FU|&#x1f260;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUNDED SYMBOL FOR LU|&#x1f261;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUNDED SYMBOL FOR SHOU|&#x1f262;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUNDED SYMBOL FOR XI|&#x1f263;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUNDED SYMBOL FOR SHUANGXI|&#x1f264;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUNDED SYMBOL FOR CAI|&#x1f265;}}||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F27x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F28x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F29x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F2Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F2Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F2Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F2Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F2Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F2Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F30x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CYCLONE|&#x1f300;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FOGGY|&#x1f301;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOSED UMBRELLA|&#x1f302;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NIGHT WITH STARS|&#x1f303;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SUNRISE OVER MOUNTAINS|&#x1f304;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SUNRISE|&#x1f305;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CITYSCAPE AT DUSK|&#x1f306;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SUNSET OVER BUILDINGS|&#x1f307;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RAINBOW|&#x1f308;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BRIDGE AT NIGHT|&#x1f309;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WATER WAVE|&#x1f30a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VOLCANO|&#x1f30b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MILKY WAY|&#x1f30c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EARTH GLOBE EUROPE-AFRICA|&#x1f30d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EARTH GLOBE AMERICAS|&#x1f30e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EARTH GLOBE ASIA-AUSTRALIA|&#x1f30f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F31x |{{H:title|dotted=no|GLOBE WITH MERIDIANS|&#x1f310;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEW MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f311;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WAXING CRESCENT MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f312;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FIRST QUARTER MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f313;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WAXING GIBBOUS MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f314;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FULL MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f315;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WANING GIBBOUS MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f316;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LAST QUARTER MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f317;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WANING CRESCENT MOON SYMBOL|&#x1f318;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CRESCENT MOON|&#x1f319;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEW MOON WITH FACE|&#x1f31a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FIRST QUARTER MOON WITH FACE|&#x1f31b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LAST QUARTER MOON WITH FACE|&#x1f31c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FULL MOON WITH FACE|&#x1f31d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SUN WITH FACE|&#x1f31e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GLOWING STAR|&#x1f31f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F32x |style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SHOOTING STAR|&#x1f320;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THERMOMETER|&#x1f321;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK DROPLET|&#x1f322;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SUN|&#x1f323;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SUN WITH SMALL CLOUD|&#x1f324;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SUN BEHIND CLOUD|&#x1f325;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SUN BEHIND CLOUD WITH RAIN|&#x1f326;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOUD WITH RAIN|&#x1f327;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOUD WITH SNOW|&#x1f328;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOUD WITH LIGHTNING|&#x1f329;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOUD WITH TORNADO|&#x1f32a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FOG|&#x1f32b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WIND BLOWING FACE|&#x1f32c;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HOT DOG|&#x1f32d;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TACO|&#x1f32e;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BURRITO|&#x1f32f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F33x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CHESTNUT|&#x1f330;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SEEDLING|&#x1f331;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EVERGREEN TREE|&#x1f332;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DECIDUOUS TREE|&#x1f333;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PALM 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!style="background:#ffffff"|1F46x |{{H:title|dotted=no|HIGH-HEELED SHOE|&#x1f460;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WOMANS SANDAL|&#x1f461;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WOMANS BOOTS|&#x1f462;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FOOTPRINTS|&#x1f463;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BUST IN SILHOUETTE|&#x1f464;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BUSTS IN SILHOUETTE|&#x1f465;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOY|&#x1f466;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GIRL|&#x1f467;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAN|&#x1f468;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WOMAN|&#x1f469;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FAMILY|&#x1f46a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAN AND WOMAN HOLDING HANDS|&#x1f46b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TWO MEN HOLDING HANDS|&#x1f46c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TWO WOMEN HOLDING HANDS|&#x1f46d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POLICE OFFICER|&#x1f46e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WOMAN WITH BUNNY EARS|&#x1f46f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F47x |{{H:title|dotted=no|BRIDE WITH VEIL|&#x1f470;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON WITH BLOND HAIR|&#x1f471;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAN WITH GUA PI MAO|&#x1f472;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAN WITH TURBAN|&#x1f473;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OLDER MAN|&#x1f474;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OLDER WOMAN|&#x1f475;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BABY|&#x1f476;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CONSTRUCTION WORKER|&#x1f477;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PRINCESS|&#x1f478;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|JAPANESE OGRE|&#x1f479;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|JAPANESE GOBLIN|&#x1f47a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GHOST|&#x1f47b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BABY ANGEL|&#x1f47c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTRATERRESTRIAL ALIEN|&#x1f47d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALIEN MONSTER|&#x1f47e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|IMP|&#x1f47f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F48x |{{H:title|dotted=no|SKULL|&#x1f480;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INFORMATION DESK PERSON|&#x1f481;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GUARDSMAN|&#x1f482;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DANCER|&#x1f483;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIPSTICK|&#x1f484;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NAIL POLISH|&#x1f485;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE MASSAGE|&#x1f486;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HAIRCUT|&#x1f487;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BARBER POLE|&#x1f488;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SYRINGE|&#x1f489;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PILL|&#x1f48a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KISS MARK|&#x1f48b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOVE LETTER|&#x1f48c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RING|&#x1f48d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GEM STONE|&#x1f48e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KISS|&#x1f48f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F49x |{{H:title|dotted=no|BOUQUET|&#x1f490;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|COUPLE WITH HEART|&#x1f491;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WEDDING|&#x1f492;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BEATING HEART|&#x1f493;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BROKEN HEART|&#x1f494;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TWO HEARTS|&#x1f495;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPARKLING HEART|&#x1f496;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GROWING HEART|&#x1f497;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEART WITH ARROW|&#x1f498;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLUE 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BALLOON|&#x1f4ac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THOUGHT BALLOON|&#x1f4ad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE FLOWER|&#x1f4ae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HUNDRED POINTS SYMBOL|&#x1f4af;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F4Bx |{{H:title|dotted=no|MONEY BAG|&#x1f4b0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CURRENCY EXCHANGE|&#x1f4b1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY DOLLAR SIGN|&#x1f4b2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CREDIT CARD|&#x1f4b3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BANKNOTE WITH YEN SIGN|&#x1f4b4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BANKNOTE WITH DOLLAR SIGN|&#x1f4b5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BANKNOTE WITH EURO SIGN|&#x1f4b6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BANKNOTE WITH POUND SIGN|&#x1f4b7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MONEY WITH WINGS|&#x1f4b8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CHART WITH UPWARDS TREND AND YEN SIGN|&#x1f4b9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SEAT|&#x1f4ba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSONAL COMPUTER|&#x1f4bb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BRIEFCASE|&#x1f4bc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MINIDISC|&#x1f4bd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FLOPPY DISK|&#x1f4be;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPTICAL DISC|&#x1f4bf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F4Cx |{{H:title|dotted=no|DVD|&#x1f4c0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FILE FOLDER|&#x1f4c1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPEN FILE FOLDER|&#x1f4c2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGE WITH CURL|&#x1f4c3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGE FACING UP|&#x1f4c4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CALENDAR|&#x1f4c5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TEAR-OFF CALENDAR|&#x1f4c6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CARD INDEX|&#x1f4c7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CHART WITH UPWARDS TREND|&#x1f4c8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CHART WITH DOWNWARDS TREND|&#x1f4c9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BAR CHART|&#x1f4ca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLIPBOARD|&#x1f4cb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PUSHPIN|&#x1f4cc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUND PUSHPIN|&#x1f4cd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PAPERCLIP|&#x1f4ce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|STRAIGHT RULER|&#x1f4cf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F4Dx |{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIANGULAR RULER|&#x1f4d0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOOKMARK TABS|&#x1f4d1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEDGER|&#x1f4d2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTEBOOK|&#x1f4d3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTEBOOK WITH DECORATIVE COVER|&#x1f4d4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOSED BOOK|&#x1f4d5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPEN BOOK|&#x1f4d6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GREEN BOOK|&#x1f4d7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLUE BOOK|&#x1f4d8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ORANGE BOOK|&#x1f4d9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOOKS|&#x1f4da;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NAME BADGE|&#x1f4db;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SCROLL|&#x1f4dc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEMO|&#x1f4dd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TELEPHONE RECEIVER|&#x1f4de;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGER|&#x1f4df;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F4Ex |{{H:title|dotted=no|FAX MACHINE|&#x1f4e0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SATELLITE ANTENNA|&#x1f4e1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PUBLIC ADDRESS LOUDSPEAKER|&#x1f4e2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CHEERING MEGAPHONE|&#x1f4e3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OUTBOX TRAY|&#x1f4e4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INBOX TRAY|&#x1f4e5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PACKAGE|&#x1f4e6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|E-MAIL SYMBOL|&#x1f4e7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INCOMING ENVELOPE|&#x1f4e8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ENVELOPE WITH DOWNWARDS ARROW ABOVE|&#x1f4e9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOSED MAILBOX WITH LOWERED FLAG|&#x1f4ea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOSED MAILBOX WITH RAISED FLAG|&#x1f4eb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPEN MAILBOX WITH RAISED FLAG|&#x1f4ec;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPEN MAILBOX WITH LOWERED FLAG|&#x1f4ed;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POSTBOX|&#x1f4ee;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POSTAL HORN|&#x1f4ef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F4Fx |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEWSPAPER|&#x1f4f0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOBILE PHONE|&#x1f4f1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOBILE PHONE WITH RIGHTWARDS ARROW AT LEFT|&#x1f4f2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VIBRATION MODE|&#x1f4f3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOBILE PHONE OFF|&#x1f4f4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO MOBILE PHONES|&#x1f4f5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ANTENNA WITH BARS|&#x1f4f6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CAMERA|&#x1f4f7;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CAMERA WITH FLASH|&#x1f4f8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VIDEO CAMERA|&#x1f4f9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TELEVISION|&#x1f4fa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RADIO|&#x1f4fb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VIDEOCASSETTE|&#x1f4fc;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FILM PROJECTOR|&#x1f4fd;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PORTABLE STEREO|&#x1f4fe;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PRAYER BEADS|&#x1f4ff;}} |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F50x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TWISTED RIGHTWARDS ARROWS|&#x1f500;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCKWISE RIGHTWARDS AND LEFTWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS|&#x1f501;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCKWISE RIGHTWARDS AND LEFTWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS WITH CIRCLED ONE OVERLAY|&#x1f502;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCKWISE DOWNWARDS AND UPWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS|&#x1f503;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ANTICLOCKWISE DOWNWARDS AND UPWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS|&#x1f504;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOW BRIGHTNESS SYMBOL|&#x1f505;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HIGH BRIGHTNESS SYMBOL|&#x1f506;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEAKER WITH CANCELLATION STROKE|&#x1f507;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEAKER|&#x1f508;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEAKER WITH ONE SOUND WAVE|&#x1f509;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEAKER WITH THREE SOUND WAVES|&#x1f50a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BATTERY|&#x1f50b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ELECTRIC PLUG|&#x1f50c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT-POINTING MAGNIFYING GLASS|&#x1f50d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT-POINTING MAGNIFYING GLASS|&#x1f50e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOCK WITH INK PEN|&#x1f50f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F51x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOSED LOCK WITH KEY|&#x1f510;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KEY|&#x1f511;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOCK|&#x1f512;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPEN LOCK|&#x1f513;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BELL|&#x1f514;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BELL WITH CANCELLATION STROKE|&#x1f515;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOOKMARK|&#x1f516;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LINK SYMBOL|&#x1f517;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RADIO BUTTON|&#x1f518;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BACK WITH LEFTWARDS ARROW ABOVE|&#x1f519;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|END WITH LEFTWARDS ARROW ABOVE|&#x1f51a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ON WITH EXCLAMATION MARK WITH LEFT RIGHT ARROW ABOVE|&#x1f51b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOON WITH RIGHTWARDS ARROW ABOVE|&#x1f51c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TOP WITH UPWARDS ARROW ABOVE|&#x1f51d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO ONE UNDER EIGHTEEN SYMBOL|&#x1f51e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KEYCAP TEN|&#x1f51f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F52x |{{H:title|dotted=no|INPUT SYMBOL FOR LATIN CAPITAL LETTERS|&#x1f520;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INPUT SYMBOL FOR LATIN SMALL LETTERS|&#x1f521;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INPUT SYMBOL FOR NUMBERS|&#x1f522;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INPUT SYMBOL FOR SYMBOLS|&#x1f523;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INPUT SYMBOL FOR LATIN LETTERS|&#x1f524;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FIRE|&#x1f525;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ELECTRIC TORCH|&#x1f526;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WRENCH|&#x1f527;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HAMMER|&#x1f528;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NUT AND BOLT|&#x1f529;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HOCHO|&#x1f52a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PISTOL|&#x1f52b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MICROSCOPE|&#x1f52c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TELESCOPE|&#x1f52d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CRYSTAL BALL|&#x1f52e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIX POINTED STAR WITH MIDDLE DOT|&#x1f52f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F53x |{{H:title|dotted=no|JAPANESE SYMBOL FOR BEGINNER|&#x1f530;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIDENT EMBLEM|&#x1f531;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK SQUARE BUTTON|&#x1f532;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SQUARE BUTTON|&#x1f533;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE RED CIRCLE|&#x1f534;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE BLUE CIRCLE|&#x1f535;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE ORANGE DIAMOND|&#x1f536;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE BLUE DIAMOND|&#x1f537;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMALL ORANGE DIAMOND|&#x1f538;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMALL BLUE DIAMOND|&#x1f539;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UP-POINTING RED TRIANGLE|&#x1f53a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWN-POINTING RED TRIANGLE|&#x1f53b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UP-POINTING SMALL RED TRIANGLE|&#x1f53c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWN-POINTING SMALL RED TRIANGLE|&#x1f53d;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER RIGHT SHADOWED WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f53e;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|UPPER RIGHT SHADOWED WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f53f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F54x |style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED CROSS POMMEE|&#x1f540;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CROSS POMMEE WITH HALF-CIRCLE BELOW|&#x1f541;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CROSS POMMEE|&#x1f542;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTCHED LEFT SEMICIRCLE WITH THREE DOTS|&#x1f543;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTCHED RIGHT SEMICIRCLE WITH THREE DOTS|&#x1f544;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SYMBOL FOR MARKS CHAPTER|&#x1f545;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE LATIN CROSS|&#x1f546;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY LATIN CROSS|&#x1f547;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CELTIC CROSS|&#x1f548;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OM SYMBOL|&#x1f549;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOVE OF PEACE|&#x1f54a;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|KAABA|&#x1f54b;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MOSQUE|&#x1f54c;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SYNAGOGUE|&#x1f54d;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MENORAH WITH NINE BRANCHES|&#x1f54e;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BOWL OF HYGIEIA|&#x1f54f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F55x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE ONE OCLOCK|&#x1f550;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE TWO OCLOCK|&#x1f551;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE THREE OCLOCK|&#x1f552;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE FOUR OCLOCK|&#x1f553;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE FIVE OCLOCK|&#x1f554;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE SIX OCLOCK|&#x1f555;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE SEVEN OCLOCK|&#x1f556;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE EIGHT OCLOCK|&#x1f557;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE NINE OCLOCK|&#x1f558;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE TEN OCLOCK|&#x1f559;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE ELEVEN OCLOCK|&#x1f55a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE TWELVE OCLOCK|&#x1f55b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE ONE-THIRTY|&#x1f55c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE TWO-THIRTY|&#x1f55d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE THREE-THIRTY|&#x1f55e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE FOUR-THIRTY|&#x1f55f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F56x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE FIVE-THIRTY|&#x1f560;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE SIX-THIRTY|&#x1f561;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE SEVEN-THIRTY|&#x1f562;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE EIGHT-THIRTY|&#x1f563;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE NINE-THIRTY|&#x1f564;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE TEN-THIRTY|&#x1f565;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE ELEVEN-THIRTY|&#x1f566;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCK FACE TWELVE-THIRTY|&#x1f567;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT SPEAKER|&#x1f568;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT SPEAKER WITH ONE SOUND WAVE|&#x1f569;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT SPEAKER WITH THREE SOUND WAVES|&#x1f56a;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BULLHORN|&#x1f56b;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BULLHORN WITH SOUND WAVES|&#x1f56c;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RINGING BELL|&#x1f56d;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BOOK|&#x1f56e;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CANDLE|&#x1f56f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F57x |{{H:title|dotted=no|MANTELPIECE CLOCK|&#x1f570;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK SKULL AND CROSSBONES|&#x1f571;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO PIRACY|&#x1f572;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HOLE|&#x1f573;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING|&#x1f574;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SLEUTH OR SPY|&#x1f575;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DARK SUNGLASSES|&#x1f576;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPIDER|&#x1f577;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPIDER WEB|&#x1f578;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|JOYSTICK|&#x1f579;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MAN DANCING|&#x1f57a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT HAND TELEPHONE RECEIVER|&#x1f57b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TELEPHONE RECEIVER WITH PAGE|&#x1f57c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT HAND TELEPHONE RECEIVER|&#x1f57d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE TOUCHTONE TELEPHONE|&#x1f57e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK TOUCHTONE TELEPHONE|&#x1f57f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F58x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TELEPHONE ON TOP OF MODEM|&#x1f580;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLAMSHELL MOBILE PHONE|&#x1f581;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BACK OF ENVELOPE|&#x1f582;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|STAMPED ENVELOPE|&#x1f583;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ENVELOPE WITH LIGHTNING|&#x1f584;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FLYING ENVELOPE|&#x1f585;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PEN OVER STAMPED ENVELOPE|&#x1f586;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LINKED PAPERCLIPS|&#x1f587;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK PUSHPIN|&#x1f588;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER LEFT PENCIL|&#x1f589;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER LEFT BALLPOINT PEN|&#x1f58a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER LEFT FOUNTAIN PEN|&#x1f58b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER LEFT PAINTBRUSH|&#x1f58c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER LEFT CRAYON|&#x1f58d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT WRITING HAND|&#x1f58e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TURNED OK HAND SIGN|&#x1f58f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F59x |{{H:title|dotted=no|RAISED HAND WITH FINGERS SPLAYED|&#x1f590;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSED RAISED HAND WITH FINGERS SPLAYED|&#x1f591;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSED THUMBS UP SIGN|&#x1f592;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSED THUMBS DOWN SIGN|&#x1f593;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSED VICTORY HAND|&#x1f594;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED|&#x1f595;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND RING FINGERS|&#x1f596;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE DOWN POINTING LEFT HAND INDEX|&#x1f597;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS WHITE LEFT POINTING INDEX|&#x1f598;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS WHITE RIGHT POINTING INDEX|&#x1f599;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS BLACK LEFT POINTING INDEX|&#x1f59a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS BLACK RIGHT POINTING INDEX|&#x1f59b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK LEFT POINTING BACKHAND INDEX|&#x1f59c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK RIGHT POINTING BACKHAND INDEX|&#x1f59d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS WHITE UP POINTING INDEX|&#x1f59e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS WHITE DOWN POINTING INDEX|&#x1f59f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F5Ax |{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS BLACK UP POINTING INDEX|&#x1f5a0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIDEWAYS BLACK DOWN POINTING INDEX|&#x1f5a1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK UP POINTING BACKHAND INDEX|&#x1f5a2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK DOWN POINTING BACKHAND INDEX|&#x1f5a3;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK HEART|&#x1f5a4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DESKTOP COMPUTER|&#x1f5a5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KEYBOARD AND MOUSE|&#x1f5a6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE NETWORKED COMPUTERS|&#x1f5a7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PRINTER|&#x1f5a8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POCKET CALCULATOR|&#x1f5a9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK HARD SHELL FLOPPY DISK|&#x1f5aa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE HARD SHELL FLOPPY DISK|&#x1f5ab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOFT SHELL FLOPPY DISK|&#x1f5ac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TAPE CARTRIDGE|&#x1f5ad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WIRED KEYBOARD|&#x1f5ae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ONE BUTTON MOUSE|&#x1f5af;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F5Bx |{{H:title|dotted=no|TWO BUTTON MOUSE|&#x1f5b0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE BUTTON MOUSE|&#x1f5b1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRACKBALL|&#x1f5b2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OLD PERSONAL COMPUTER|&#x1f5b3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HARD DISK|&#x1f5b4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SCREEN|&#x1f5b5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PRINTER ICON|&#x1f5b6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FAX ICON|&#x1f5b7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPTICAL DISC ICON|&#x1f5b8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOCUMENT WITH TEXT|&#x1f5b9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOCUMENT WITH TEXT AND PICTURE|&#x1f5ba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOCUMENT WITH PICTURE|&#x1f5bb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FRAME WITH PICTURE|&#x1f5bc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FRAME WITH TILES|&#x1f5bd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FRAME WITH AN X|&#x1f5be;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK FOLDER|&#x1f5bf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F5Cx |{{H:title|dotted=no|FOLDER|&#x1f5c0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OPEN FOLDER|&#x1f5c1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CARD INDEX DIVIDERS|&#x1f5c2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CARD FILE BOX|&#x1f5c3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FILE CABINET|&#x1f5c4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY NOTE|&#x1f5c5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY NOTE PAGE|&#x1f5c6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY NOTE PAD|&#x1f5c7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTE|&#x1f5c8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTE PAGE|&#x1f5c9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NOTE PAD|&#x1f5ca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY DOCUMENT|&#x1f5cb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY PAGE|&#x1f5cc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY PAGES|&#x1f5cd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOCUMENT|&#x1f5ce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGE|&#x1f5cf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F5Dx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGES|&#x1f5d0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WASTEBASKET|&#x1f5d1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPIRAL NOTE PAD|&#x1f5d2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPIRAL CALENDAR PAD|&#x1f5d3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DESKTOP WINDOW|&#x1f5d4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MINIMIZE|&#x1f5d5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAXIMIZE|&#x1f5d6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OVERLAP|&#x1f5d7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CLOCKWISE RIGHT AND LEFT SEMICIRCLE ARROWS|&#x1f5d8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CANCELLATION X|&#x1f5d9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|INCREASE FONT SIZE SYMBOL|&#x1f5da;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DECREASE FONT SIZE SYMBOL|&#x1f5db;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|COMPRESSION|&#x1f5dc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OLD KEY|&#x1f5dd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ROLLED-UP NEWSPAPER|&#x1f5de;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGE WITH CIRCLED TEXT|&#x1f5df;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F5Ex |{{H:title|dotted=no|STOCK CHART|&#x1f5e0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DAGGER KNIFE|&#x1f5e1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIPS|&#x1f5e2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEAKING HEAD IN SILHOUETTE|&#x1f5e3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE RAYS ABOVE|&#x1f5e4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE RAYS BELOW|&#x1f5e5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE RAYS LEFT|&#x1f5e6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE RAYS RIGHT|&#x1f5e7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT SPEECH BUBBLE|&#x1f5e8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT SPEECH BUBBLE|&#x1f5e9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TWO SPEECH BUBBLES|&#x1f5ea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE SPEECH BUBBLES|&#x1f5eb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT THOUGHT BUBBLE|&#x1f5ec;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT THOUGHT BUBBLE|&#x1f5ed;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT ANGER BUBBLE|&#x1f5ee;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT ANGER BUBBLE|&#x1f5ef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F5Fx |{{H:title|dotted=no|MOOD BUBBLE|&#x1f5f0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHTNING MOOD BUBBLE|&#x1f5f1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHTNING MOOD|&#x1f5f2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLOT BOX WITH BALLOT|&#x1f5f3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLOT SCRIPT X|&#x1f5f4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLOT BOX WITH SCRIPT X|&#x1f5f5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLOT BOLD SCRIPT X|&#x1f5f6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLOT BOX WITH BOLD SCRIPT X|&#x1f5f7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT CHECK MARK|&#x1f5f8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLOT BOX WITH BOLD CHECK|&#x1f5f9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WORLD MAP|&#x1f5fa;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MOUNT FUJI|&#x1f5fb;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TOKYO TOWER|&#x1f5fc;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|STATUE OF LIBERTY|&#x1f5fd;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SILHOUETTE OF JAPAN|&#x1f5fe;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MOYAI|&#x1f5ff;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Emoticons''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F60x |style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|GRINNING FACE|&#x1f600;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES|&#x1f601;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY|&#x1f602;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH|&#x1f603;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND SMILING EYES|&#x1f604;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND COLD SWEAT|&#x1f605;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES|&#x1f606;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH HALO|&#x1f607;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH HORNS|&#x1f608;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WINKING FACE|&#x1f609;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES|&#x1f60a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE SAVOURING DELICIOUS FOOD|&#x1f60b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RELIEVED FACE|&#x1f60c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH HEART-SHAPED EYES|&#x1f60d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING FACE WITH SUNGLASSES|&#x1f60e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMIRKING FACE|&#x1f60f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F61x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL FACE|&#x1f610;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|EXPRESSIONLESS FACE|&#x1f611;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UNAMUSED FACE|&#x1f612;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH COLD SWEAT|&#x1f613;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PENSIVE FACE|&#x1f614;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CONFUSED FACE|&#x1f615;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CONFOUNDED FACE|&#x1f616;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|KISSING FACE|&#x1f617;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE THROWING A KISS|&#x1f618;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|KISSING FACE WITH SMILING EYES|&#x1f619;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KISSING FACE WITH CLOSED EYES|&#x1f61a;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE|&#x1f61b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND WINKING EYE|&#x1f61c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES|&#x1f61d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DISAPPOINTED FACE|&#x1f61e;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WORRIED FACE|&#x1f61f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F62x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ANGRY FACE|&#x1f620;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POUTING FACE|&#x1f621;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CRYING FACE|&#x1f622;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSEVERING FACE|&#x1f623;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH LOOK OF TRIUMPH|&#x1f624;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DISAPPOINTED BUT RELIEVED FACE|&#x1f625;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FROWNING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH|&#x1f626;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ANGUISHED FACE|&#x1f627;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FEARFUL FACE|&#x1f628;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WEARY FACE|&#x1f629;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SLEEPY FACE|&#x1f62a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TIRED FACE|&#x1f62b;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|GRIMACING FACE|&#x1f62c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOUDLY CRYING FACE|&#x1f62d;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH|&#x1f62e;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HUSHED FACE|&#x1f62f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F63x |{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND COLD SWEAT|&#x1f630;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE SCREAMING IN FEAR|&#x1f631;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ASTONISHED FACE|&#x1f632;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FLUSHED FACE|&#x1f633;}}||style="background:#7ef9ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SLEEPING FACE|&#x1f634;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIZZY FACE|&#x1f635;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITHOUT MOUTH|&#x1f636;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH MEDICAL MASK|&#x1f637;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES|&#x1f638;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CAT FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY|&#x1f639;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING CAT FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH|&#x1f63a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMILING CAT FACE WITH HEART-SHAPED EYES|&#x1f63b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CAT FACE WITH WRY SMILE|&#x1f63c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KISSING CAT FACE WITH CLOSED EYES|&#x1f63d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POUTING CAT FACE|&#x1f63e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CRYING CAT FACE|&#x1f63f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F64x |{{H:title|dotted=no|WEARY CAT FACE|&#x1f640;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SLIGHTLY FROWNING FACE|&#x1f641;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SLIGHTLY SMILING FACE|&#x1f642;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|UPSIDE-DOWN FACE|&#x1f643;}}||style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH ROLLING EYES|&#x1f644;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH NO GOOD GESTURE|&#x1f645;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FACE WITH OK GESTURE|&#x1f646;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON BOWING DEEPLY|&#x1f647;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SEE-NO-EVIL MONKEY|&#x1f648;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAR-NO-EVIL MONKEY|&#x1f649;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEAK-NO-EVIL MONKEY|&#x1f64a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HAPPY PERSON RAISING ONE HAND|&#x1f64b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON RAISING BOTH HANDS IN CELEBRATION|&#x1f64c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON FROWNING|&#x1f64d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON WITH POUTING FACE|&#x1f64e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON WITH FOLDED HANDS|&#x1f64f;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Ornamental Dingbats''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F65x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTH WEST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f650;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOUTH WEST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f651;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTH EAST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f652;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOUTH EAST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f653;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TURNED NORTH WEST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f654;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TURNED SOUTH WEST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f655;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TURNED NORTH EAST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f656;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TURNED SOUTH EAST POINTING LEAF|&#x1f657;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTH WEST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f658;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOUTH WEST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f659;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTH EAST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f65a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOUTH EAST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f65b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY NORTH WEST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f65c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SOUTH WEST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f65d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY NORTH EAST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f65e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SOUTH EAST POINTING VINE LEAF|&#x1f65f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F66x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTH WEST POINTING BUD|&#x1f660;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOUTH WEST POINTING BUD|&#x1f661;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTH EAST POINTING BUD|&#x1f662;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOUTH EAST POINTING BUD|&#x1f663;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY NORTH WEST POINTING BUD|&#x1f664;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SOUTH WEST POINTING BUD|&#x1f665;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY NORTH EAST POINTING BUD|&#x1f666;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SOUTH EAST POINTING BUD|&#x1f667;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HOLLOW QUILT SQUARE ORNAMENT|&#x1f668;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HOLLOW QUILT SQUARE ORNAMENT IN BLACK SQUARE|&#x1f669;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOLID QUILT SQUARE ORNAMENT|&#x1f66a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SOLID QUILT SQUARE ORNAMENT IN BLACK SQUARE|&#x1f66b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS ROCKET|&#x1f66c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS ROCKET|&#x1f66d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS ROCKET|&#x1f66e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS ROCKET|&#x1f66f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F67x |{{H:title|dotted=no|SCRIPT LIGATURE ET ORNAMENT|&#x1f670;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SCRIPT LIGATURE ET ORNAMENT|&#x1f671;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGATURE OPEN ET ORNAMENT|&#x1f672;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY LIGATURE OPEN ET ORNAMENT|&#x1f673;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY AMPERSAND ORNAMENT|&#x1f674;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SWASH AMPERSAND ORNAMENT|&#x1f675;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SANS-SERIF HEAVY DOUBLE TURNED COMMA QUOTATION MARK ORNAMENT|&#x1f676;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SANS-SERIF HEAVY DOUBLE COMMA QUOTATION MARK ORNAMENT|&#x1f677;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SANS-SERIF HEAVY LOW DOUBLE COMMA QUOTATION MARK ORNAMENT|&#x1f678;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY INTERROBANG ORNAMENT|&#x1f679;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SANS-SERIF INTERROBANG ORNAMENT|&#x1f67a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SANS-SERIF INTERROBANG ORNAMENT|&#x1f67b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY SOLIDUS|&#x1f67c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY REVERSE SOLIDUS|&#x1f67d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CHECKER BOARD|&#x1f67e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSE CHECKER BOARD|&#x1f67f;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Transport and Map Symbols''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F68x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ROCKET|&#x1f680;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HELICOPTER|&#x1f681;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|STEAM LOCOMOTIVE|&#x1f682;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RAILWAY CAR|&#x1f683;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HIGH-SPEED TRAIN|&#x1f684;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HIGH-SPEED TRAIN WITH BULLET NOSE|&#x1f685;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRAIN|&#x1f686;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|METRO|&#x1f687;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT RAIL|&#x1f688;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|STATION|&#x1f689;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRAM|&#x1f68a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRAM CAR|&#x1f68b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BUS|&#x1f68c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ONCOMING BUS|&#x1f68d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TROLLEYBUS|&#x1f68e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BUS STOP|&#x1f68f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F69x |{{H:title|dotted=no|MINIBUS|&#x1f690;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|AMBULANCE|&#x1f691;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FIRE ENGINE|&#x1f692;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POLICE CAR|&#x1f693;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ONCOMING POLICE CAR|&#x1f694;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TAXI|&#x1f695;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ONCOMING TAXI|&#x1f696;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|AUTOMOBILE|&#x1f697;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ONCOMING AUTOMOBILE|&#x1f698;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RECREATIONAL VEHICLE|&#x1f699;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DELIVERY TRUCK|&#x1f69a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ARTICULATED LORRY|&#x1f69b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRACTOR|&#x1f69c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MONORAIL|&#x1f69d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOUNTAIN RAILWAY|&#x1f69e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SUSPENSION RAILWAY|&#x1f69f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F6Ax |{{H:title|dotted=no|MOUNTAIN CABLEWAY|&#x1f6a0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|AERIAL TRAMWAY|&#x1f6a1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SHIP|&#x1f6a2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ROWBOAT|&#x1f6a3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPEEDBOAT|&#x1f6a4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HORIZONTAL TRAFFIC LIGHT|&#x1f6a5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERTICAL TRAFFIC LIGHT|&#x1f6a6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CONSTRUCTION SIGN|&#x1f6a7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|POLICE CARS REVOLVING LIGHT|&#x1f6a8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIANGULAR FLAG ON POST|&#x1f6a9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOOR|&#x1f6aa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO ENTRY SIGN|&#x1f6ab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMOKING SYMBOL|&#x1f6ac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO SMOKING SYMBOL|&#x1f6ad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PUT LITTER IN ITS PLACE SYMBOL|&#x1f6ae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DO NOT LITTER SYMBOL|&#x1f6af;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F6Bx |{{H:title|dotted=no|POTABLE WATER SYMBOL|&#x1f6b0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NON-POTABLE WATER SYMBOL|&#x1f6b1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BICYCLE|&#x1f6b2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO BICYCLES|&#x1f6b3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BICYCLIST|&#x1f6b4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOUNTAIN BICYCLIST|&#x1f6b5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PEDESTRIAN|&#x1f6b6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NO PEDESTRIANS|&#x1f6b7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CHILDREN CROSSING|&#x1f6b8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MENS SYMBOL|&#x1f6b9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WOMENS SYMBOL|&#x1f6ba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RESTROOM|&#x1f6bb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BABY SYMBOL|&#x1f6bc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TOILET|&#x1f6bd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WATER CLOSET|&#x1f6be;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SHOWER|&#x1f6bf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F6Cx |style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BATH|&#x1f6c0;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BATHTUB|&#x1f6c1;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PASSPORT CONTROL|&#x1f6c2;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CUSTOMS|&#x1f6c3;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BAGGAGE CLAIM|&#x1f6c4;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT LUGGAGE|&#x1f6c5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIANGLE WITH ROUNDED CORNERS|&#x1f6c6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PROHIBITED SIGN|&#x1f6c7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED INFORMATION SOURCE|&#x1f6c8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOYS SYMBOL|&#x1f6c9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GIRLS SYMBOL|&#x1f6ca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|COUCH AND LAMP|&#x1f6cb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SLEEPING ACCOMMODATION|&#x1f6cc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SHOPPING BAGS|&#x1f6cd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BELLHOP BELL|&#x1f6ce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BED|&#x1f6cf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F6Dx |style="background:#8a94ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLACE OF WORSHIP|&#x1f6d0;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|OCTAGONAL SIGN|&#x1f6d1;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SHOPPING TROLLEY|&#x1f6d2;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|STUPA|&#x1f6d3;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PAGODA|&#x1f6d4;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HINDU TEMPLE|&#x1f6d5;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HUT|&#x1f6d6;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ELEVATOR|&#x1f6d7;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LANDSLIDE|&#x1f6d8;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHTHOUSE|&#x1f6d9;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SEATBELT SIGN|&#x1f6da;}}||style="background:#97a24a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NO CARS|&#x1f6db;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WIRELESS|&#x1f6dc;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PLAYGROUND SLIDE|&#x1f6dd;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHEEL|&#x1f6de;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RING BUOY|&#x1f6df;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F6Ex |{{H:title|dotted=no|HAMMER AND WRENCH|&#x1f6e0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SHIELD|&#x1f6e1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OIL DRUM|&#x1f6e2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOTORWAY|&#x1f6e3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RAILWAY TRACK|&#x1f6e4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOTOR BOAT|&#x1f6e5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UP-POINTING MILITARY AIRPLANE|&#x1f6e6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UP-POINTING AIRPLANE|&#x1f6e7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UP-POINTING SMALL AIRPLANE|&#x1f6e8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SMALL AIRPLANE|&#x1f6e9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NORTHEAST-POINTING AIRPLANE|&#x1f6ea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|AIRPLANE DEPARTURE|&#x1f6eb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|AIRPLANE ARRIVING|&#x1f6ec;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HOT AIR BALLOON|&#x1f6ed;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|AIRSHIP|&#x1f6ee;}}||style="background:#457d6d"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SEAPLANE|&#x1f6ef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F6Fx |{{H:title|dotted=no|SATELLITE|&#x1f6f0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ONCOMING FIRE ENGINE|&#x1f6f1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE|&#x1f6f2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PASSENGER SHIP|&#x1f6f3;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SCOOTER|&#x1f6f4;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MOTOR SCOOTER|&#x1f6f5;}}||style="background:#9c8dff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CANOE|&#x1f6f6;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SLED|&#x1f6f7;}}||style="background:#b690ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FLYING SAUCER|&#x1f6f8;}}||style="background:#d093ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SKATEBOARD|&#x1f6f9;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|AUTO RICKSHAW|&#x1f6fa;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PICKUP TRUCK|&#x1f6fb;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROLLER SKATE|&#x1f6fc;}}||style="background:#768b4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FORKLIFT|&#x1f6fd;}}||style="background:#5d7e4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|EXCAVATOR|&#x1f6fe;}}||style="background:#457d8a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SUBMARINE|&#x1f6ff;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Alchemical Symbols''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F70x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR QUINTESSENCE|&#x1f700;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AIR|&#x1f701;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR FIRE|&#x1f702;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR EARTH|&#x1f703;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR WATER|&#x1f704;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AQUAFORTIS|&#x1f705;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AQUA REGIA|&#x1f706;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AQUA REGIA-2|&#x1f707;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AQUA VITAE|&#x1f708;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AQUA VITAE-2|&#x1f709;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VINEGAR|&#x1f70a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VINEGAR-2|&#x1f70b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VINEGAR-3|&#x1f70c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SULFUR|&#x1f70d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR PHILOSOPHERS SULFUR|&#x1f70e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BLACK SULFUR|&#x1f70f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F71x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MERCURY SUBLIMATE|&#x1f710;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MERCURY SUBLIMATE-2|&#x1f711;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MERCURY SUBLIMATE-3|&#x1f712;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CINNABAR|&#x1f713;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SALT|&#x1f714;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR NITRE|&#x1f715;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VITRIOL|&#x1f716;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VITRIOL-2|&#x1f717;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ROCK SALT|&#x1f718;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ROCK SALT-2|&#x1f719;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR GOLD|&#x1f71a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SILVER|&#x1f71b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR IRON ORE|&#x1f71c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR IRON ORE-2|&#x1f71d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CROCUS OF IRON|&#x1f71e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS OF IRON|&#x1f71f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F72x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR COPPER ORE|&#x1f720;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR IRON-COPPER ORE|&#x1f721;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SUBLIMATE OF COPPER|&#x1f722;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CROCUS OF COPPER|&#x1f723;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CROCUS OF COPPER-2|&#x1f724;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR COPPER ANTIMONIATE|&#x1f725;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SALT OF COPPER ANTIMONIATE|&#x1f726;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SUBLIMATE OF SALT OF COPPER|&#x1f727;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VERDIGRIS|&#x1f728;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR TIN ORE|&#x1f729;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR LEAD ORE|&#x1f72a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ANTIMONY ORE|&#x1f72b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SUBLIMATE OF ANTIMONY|&#x1f72c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SALT OF ANTIMONY|&#x1f72d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SUBLIMATE OF SALT OF ANTIMONY|&#x1f72e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VINEGAR OF ANTIMONY|&#x1f72f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F73x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS OF ANTIMONY|&#x1f730;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS OF ANTIMONY-2|&#x1f731;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS|&#x1f732;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS-2|&#x1f733;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS-3|&#x1f734;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REGULUS-4|&#x1f735;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ALKALI|&#x1f736;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ALKALI-2|&#x1f737;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MARCASITE|&#x1f738;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SAL-AMMONIAC|&#x1f739;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ARSENIC|&#x1f73a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REALGAR|&#x1f73b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR REALGAR-2|&#x1f73c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AURIPIGMENT|&#x1f73d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BISMUTH ORE|&#x1f73e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR TARTAR|&#x1f73f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F74x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR TARTAR-2|&#x1f740;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR QUICK LIME|&#x1f741;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BORAX|&#x1f742;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BORAX-2|&#x1f743;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BORAX-3|&#x1f744;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ALUM|&#x1f745;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR OIL|&#x1f746;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SPIRIT|&#x1f747;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR TINCTURE|&#x1f748;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR GUM|&#x1f749;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR WAX|&#x1f74a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR POWDER|&#x1f74b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CALX|&#x1f74c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR TUTTY|&#x1f74d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CAPUT MORTUUM|&#x1f74e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SCEPTER OF JOVE|&#x1f74f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F75x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CADUCEUS|&#x1f750;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR TRIDENT|&#x1f751;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR STARRED TRIDENT|&#x1f752;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR LODESTONE|&#x1f753;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SOAP|&#x1f754;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR URINE|&#x1f755;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR HORSE DUNG|&#x1f756;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ASHES|&#x1f757;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR POT ASHES|&#x1f758;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BRICK|&#x1f759;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR POWDERED BRICK|&#x1f75a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR AMALGAM|&#x1f75b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR STRATUM SUPER STRATUM|&#x1f75c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR STRATUM SUPER STRATUM-2|&#x1f75d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR SUBLIMATION|&#x1f75e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR PRECIPITATE|&#x1f75f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#7bffe8" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F76x |{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR DISTILL|&#x1f760;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR DISSOLVE|&#x1f761;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR DISSOLVE-2|&#x1f762;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR PURIFY|&#x1f763;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR PUTREFACTION|&#x1f764;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CRUCIBLE|&#x1f765;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CRUCIBLE-2|&#x1f766;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CRUCIBLE-3|&#x1f767;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CRUCIBLE-4|&#x1f768;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR CRUCIBLE-5|&#x1f769;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR ALEMBIC|&#x1f76a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BATH OF MARY|&#x1f76b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR BATH OF VAPOURS|&#x1f76c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR RETORT|&#x1f76d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR HOUR|&#x1f76e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR NIGHT|&#x1f76f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#ffc0c0" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F77x |style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR DAY-NIGHT|&#x1f770;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR MONTH|&#x1f771;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR HALF DRAM|&#x1f772;}}||style="background:#7bffe8"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR HALF OUNCE|&#x1f773;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOT OF FORTUNE|&#x1f774;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|OCCULTATION|&#x1f775;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LUNAR ECLIPSE|&#x1f776;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|VESTA FORM TWO|&#x1f777;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ASTRAEA FORM TWO|&#x1f778;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HYGIEA FORM TWO|&#x1f779;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARTHENOPE FORM TWO|&#x1f77a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HAUMEA|&#x1f77B;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MAKEMAKE|&#x1f77C;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|GONGGONG|&#x1f77D;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|QUAOAR|&#x1f77E;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ORCUS|&#x1f77F;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Geometric Shapes Extended''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F78x |{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK LEFT-POINTING ISOSCELES RIGHT TRIANGLE|&#x1f780;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK UP-POINTING ISOSCELES RIGHT TRIANGLE|&#x1f781;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK RIGHT-POINTING ISOSCELES RIGHT TRIANGLE|&#x1f782;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK DOWN-POINTING ISOSCELES RIGHT TRIANGLE|&#x1f783;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK SLIGHTLY SMALL CIRCLE|&#x1f784;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM BOLD WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f785;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f786;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f787;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f788;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTREMELY HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f789;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CIRCLE CONTAINING BLACK SMALL CIRCLE|&#x1f78a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ROUND TARGET|&#x1f78b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK TINY SQUARE|&#x1f78c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK SLIGHTLY SMALL SQUARE|&#x1f78d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT WHITE SQUARE|&#x1f78e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM WHITE SQUARE|&#x1f78f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F79x |{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD WHITE SQUARE|&#x1f790;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY WHITE SQUARE|&#x1f791;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY WHITE SQUARE|&#x1f792;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTREMELY HEAVY WHITE SQUARE|&#x1f793;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SQUARE CONTAINING BLACK VERY SMALL SQUARE|&#x1f794;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SQUARE CONTAINING BLACK MEDIUM SQUARE|&#x1f795;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SQUARE TARGET|&#x1f796;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK TINY DIAMOND|&#x1f797;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK VERY SMALL DIAMOND|&#x1f798;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK MEDIUM SMALL DIAMOND|&#x1f799;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE DIAMOND CONTAINING BLACK VERY SMALL DIAMOND|&#x1f79a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE DIAMOND CONTAINING BLACK MEDIUM DIAMOND|&#x1f79b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DIAMOND TARGET|&#x1f79c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK TINY LOZENGE|&#x1f79d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK VERY SMALL LOZENGE|&#x1f79e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK MEDIUM SMALL LOZENGE|&#x1f79f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F7Ax |{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE LOZENGE CONTAINING BLACK SMALL LOZENGE|&#x1f7a0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THIN GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY BOLD GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTREMELY HEAVY GREEK CROSS|&#x1f7a7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THIN SALTIRE|&#x1f7a8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT SALTIRE|&#x1f7a9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM SALTIRE|&#x1f7aa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD SALTIRE|&#x1f7ab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SALTIRE|&#x1f7ac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY SALTIRE|&#x1f7ad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTREMELY HEAVY SALTIRE|&#x1f7ae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT FIVE SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7af;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F7Bx |{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM FIVE SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD FIVE SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY FIVE SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY FIVE SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTREMELY HEAVY FIVE SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT SIX SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM SIX SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD SIX SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SIX SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY SIX SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7b9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|EXTREMELY HEAVY SIX SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7ba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7bb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7bc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BOLD EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7bd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7be;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK|&#x1f7bf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F7Cx |{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT THREE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM THREE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|THREE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM THREE POINTED PINWHEEL STAR|&#x1f7c3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT FOUR POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM FOUR POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|FOUR POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM FOUR POINTED PINWHEEL STAR|&#x1f7c7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|REVERSE LIGHT FOUR POINTED PINWHEEL STAR|&#x1f7c8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT FIVE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7c9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY FIVE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7ca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM SIX POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7cb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY SIX POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7cc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SIX POINTED PINWHEEL STAR|&#x1f7cd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MEDIUM EIGHT POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7ce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY EIGHT POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7cf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F7Dx |style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|VERY HEAVY EIGHT POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7d0;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY EIGHT POINTED PINWHEEL STAR|&#x1f7d1;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT TWELVE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7d2;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY TWELVE POINTED BLACK STAR|&#x1f7d3;}}||style="background:#87abff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY TWELVE POINTED PINWHEEL STAR|&#x1f7d4;}}||style="background:#d093ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED TRIANGLE|&#x1f7d5;}}||style="background:#d093ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED TRIANGLE|&#x1f7d6;}}||style="background:#d093ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED SQUARE|&#x1f7d7;}}||style="background:#d093ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEGATIVE CIRCLED SQUARE|&#x1f7d8;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NINE POINTED WHITE STAR|&#x1f7d9;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CIRCLE WITH WHITE VERTICAL BAR|&#x1f7da;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BULLET IN DOUBLE CIRCLE|&#x1f7db;}}||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#e896ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F7Ex |{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE ORANGE CIRCLE|&#x1f7e0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE YELLOW CIRCLE|&#x1f7e1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE GREEN CIRCLE|&#x1f7e2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE PURPLE CIRCLE|&#x1f7e3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE BROWN CIRCLE|&#x1f7e4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE RED SQUARE|&#x1f7e5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE BLUE SQUARE|&#x1f7e6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE ORANGE SQUARE|&#x1f7e7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE YELLOW SQUARE|&#x1f7e8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE GREEN SQUARE|&#x1f7e9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE PURPLE SQUARE|&#x1f7ea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LARGE BROWN SQUARE|&#x1f7eb;}}||style="background:#97a24a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY NOT EQUALS SIGN|&#x1f7ec;}}||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#c8a36f" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F7Fx |style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY EQUALS SIGN|&#x1f7f0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLE WITH DOUBLE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL LINE|&#x1f7f1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLE WITH DOUBLE HORIZONTAL LINE|&#x1f7f2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED BOTTOM RIGHT OBLIQUE HALF BLACK CIRCLE|&#x1f7f3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFT HALF WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f7f4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHT HALF WHITE CIRCLE|&#x1f7f5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRANSPARENT CUBE|&#x1f7f6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CUBE|&#x1f7f7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HORIZONTAL DOUBLE WHITE SMALL SQUARE|&#x1f7f8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|VERTICAL DOUBLE WHITE SMALL SQUARE|&#x1f7f9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SQUARE WITH BOTTOM HALF BISECTED|&#x1f7fa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SQUARE WITH TOP HALF BISECTED|&#x1f7fb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE SQUARE WITH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL BISECTING LINES|&#x1f7fc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER RIGHT FLATTENED RIGHT TRIANGLE|&#x1f7fd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LOWER LEFT FLATTENED RIGHT TRIANGLE|&#x1f7fe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RHOMBUS|&#x1f7ff;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Supplemental Arrows-C''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F80x |{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f800;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f801;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f802;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f803;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH MEDIUM TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f804;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS ARROW WITH MEDIUM TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f805;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH MEDIUM TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f806;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH MEDIUM TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f807;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH LARGE TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f808;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS ARROW WITH LARGE TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f809;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH LARGE TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f80a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH LARGE TRIANGLE ARROWHEAD|&#x1f80b;}}||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F81x |{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f810;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f811;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f812;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH SMALL EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f813;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f814;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f815;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f816;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f817;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f818;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY UPWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f819;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL ARROWHEAD|&#x1f81a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEAVY DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH EQUILATERAL 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|{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS HEAVY COMPRESSED ARROW|&#x1f840;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS HEAVY COMPRESSED ARROW|&#x1f841;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS HEAVY COMPRESSED ARROW|&#x1f842;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS HEAVY COMPRESSED ARROW|&#x1f843;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS HEAVY ARROW|&#x1f844;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS HEAVY ARROW|&#x1f845;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS HEAVY ARROW|&#x1f846;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOWNWARDS HEAVY ARROW|&#x1f847;}}||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#87abff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1F85x |{{H:title|dotted=no|LEFTWARDS SANS-SERIF ARROW|&#x1f850;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|UPWARDS SANS-SERIF ARROW|&#x1f851;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RIGHTWARDS 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BOTTLE|&#x1f9f4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPOOL OF THREAD|&#x1f9f5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BALL OF YARN|&#x1f9f6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SAFETY PIN|&#x1f9f7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TEDDY BEAR|&#x1f9f8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BROOM|&#x1f9f9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BASKET|&#x1f9fa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ROLL OF PAPER|&#x1f9fb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BAR OF SOAP|&#x1f9fc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SPONGE|&#x1f9fd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|RECEIPT|&#x1f9fe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NAZAR AMULET|&#x1f9ff;}} |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Chess Symbols''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#e896ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA0x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KING|&#x1fa00;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS QUEEN|&#x1fa01;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS ROOK|&#x1fa02;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS BISHOP|&#x1fa03;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT|&#x1fa04;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS PAWN|&#x1fa05;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED FORTY-FIVE DEGREE|&#x1fa06;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED FORTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa07;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED FORTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa08;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KING ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa09;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS QUEEN ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa0a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS ROOK ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa0b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS BISHOP ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa0c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa0d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS PAWN ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa0e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KING ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa0f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#e896ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA1x |{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS QUEEN ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa10;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS ROOK ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa11;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS BISHOP ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa12;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa13;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS PAWN ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa14;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KING ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa15;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS QUEEN ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa16;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS ROOK ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa17;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS BISHOP ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa18;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa19;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS PAWN ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa1a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED ONE HUNDRED THIRTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa1b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED ONE HUNDRED THIRTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa1c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED ONE HUNDRED THIRTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa1d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS TURNED KING|&#x1fa1e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS TURNED QUEEN|&#x1fa1f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#e896ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA2x |{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS TURNED ROOK|&#x1fa20;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS TURNED BISHOP|&#x1fa21;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS TURNED KNIGHT|&#x1fa22;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS TURNED PAWN|&#x1fa23;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS TURNED KING|&#x1fa24;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS TURNED QUEEN|&#x1fa25;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS TURNED ROOK|&#x1fa26;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS TURNED BISHOP|&#x1fa27;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS TURNED KNIGHT|&#x1fa28;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS TURNED PAWN|&#x1fa29;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED KING|&#x1fa2a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED QUEEN|&#x1fa2b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED ROOK|&#x1fa2c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED BISHOP|&#x1fa2d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED KNIGHT|&#x1fa2e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED PAWN|&#x1fa2f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#e896ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA3x |{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED TWO HUNDRED TWENTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa30;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED TWO HUNDRED TWENTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa31;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED TWO HUNDRED TWENTY-FIVE DEGREES|&#x1fa32;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KING ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa33;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS QUEEN ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa34;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS ROOK ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa35;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS BISHOP ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa36;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa37;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS PAWN ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa38;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KING ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa39;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS QUEEN ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa3a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS ROOK ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa3b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS BISHOP ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa3c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa3d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS PAWN ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa3e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KING ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa3f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#e896ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA4x |{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS QUEEN ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa40;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS ROOK ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa41;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS BISHOP ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa42;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa43;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS PAWN ROTATED TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY DEGREES|&#x1fa44;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED THREE HUNDRED FIFTEEN DEGREES|&#x1fa45;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED THREE HUNDRED FIFTEEN DEGREES|&#x1fa46;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED THREE HUNDRED FIFTEEN DEGREES|&#x1fa47;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS EQUIHOPPER|&#x1fa48;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS EQUIHOPPER|&#x1fa49;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS EQUIHOPPER|&#x1fa4a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS EQUIHOPPER ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa4b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS EQUIHOPPER ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa4c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|NEUTRAL CHESS EQUIHOPPER ROTATED NINETY DEGREES|&#x1fa4d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT-QUEEN|&#x1fa4e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT-ROOK|&#x1fa4f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA5x |style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS KNIGHT-BISHOP|&#x1fa50;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT-QUEEN|&#x1fa51;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT-ROOK|&#x1fa52;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS KNIGHT-BISHOP|&#x1fa53;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS FERZ|&#x1fa54;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS ALFIL|&#x1fa55;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS FERZ|&#x1fa56;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS ALFIL|&#x1fa57;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS WAZIR|&#x1fa58;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS WAZIR|&#x1fa59;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS CAMEL|&#x1fa5a;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS CAMEL|&#x1fa5b;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS GIRAFFE|&#x1fa5c;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS GIRAFFE|&#x1fa5d;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WHITE CHESS DABBABA|&#x1fa5e;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLACK CHESS DABBABA|&#x1fa5f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#d093ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA6x |{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED GENERAL|&#x1fa60;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED MANDARIN|&#x1fa61;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED ELEPHANT|&#x1fa62;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED HORSE|&#x1fa63;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED CHARIOT|&#x1fa64;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED CANNON|&#x1fa65;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI RED SOLDIER|&#x1fa66;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK GENERAL|&#x1fa67;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK MANDARIN|&#x1fa68;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK ELEPHANT|&#x1fa69;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK HORSE|&#x1fa6a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK CHARIOT|&#x1fa6b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK CANNON|&#x1fa6c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|XIANGQI BLACK SOLDIER|&#x1fa6d;}}||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp;||style="background:#777777"|&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Symbols and Pictographs Extended-A''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA7x |style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BALLET SHOES|&#x1fa70;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ONE-PIECE SWIMSUIT|&#x1fa71;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BRIEFS|&#x1fa72;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SHORTS|&#x1fa73;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|THONG SANDAL|&#x1fa74;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LIGHT BLUE HEART|&#x1fa75;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|GREY HEART|&#x1fa76;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PINK HEART|&#x1fa77;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|DROP OF BLOOD|&#x1fa78;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ADHESIVE BANDAGE|&#x1fa79;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|STETHOSCOPE|&#x1fa7a;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|X-RAY|&#x1fa7b;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CRUTCH|&#x1fa7c;}}||style="background:#aeaf4a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLOOD BAG|&#x1fa7d;}}||style="background:#97a24a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|INHALER|&#x1fa7e;}}||style="background:#457d6d"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BOX OF PILLS|&#x1fa7f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA8x |style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|YO-YO|&#x1fa80;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|KITE|&#x1fa81;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARACHUTE|&#x1fa82;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BOOMERANG|&#x1fa83;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MAGIC WAND|&#x1fa84;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PINATA|&#x1fa85;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NESTING DOLLS|&#x1fa86;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MARACAS|&#x1fa87;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FLUTE|&#x1fa88;}}||style="background:#edc3b4"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HARP|&#x1fa89;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TROMBONE|&#x1fa8a;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|METEOR|&#x1fa8b;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ERASER|&#x1fa8c;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NET WITH HANDLE|&#x1fa8d;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TREASURE CHEST|&#x1fa8e;}}||style="background:#edc3b4"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SHOVEL|&#x1fa8f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#ffb0ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FA9x |style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RINGED PLANET|&#x1fa90;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CHAIR|&#x1fa91;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RAZOR|&#x1fa92;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|AXE|&#x1fa93;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|DIYA LAMP|&#x1fa94;}}||style="background:#e896ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BANJO|&#x1fa95;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MILITARY HELMET|&#x1fa96;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ACCORDION|&#x1fa97;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LONG DRUM|&#x1fa98;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|COIN|&#x1fa99;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CARPENTRY SAW|&#x1fa9a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SCREWDRIVER|&#x1fa9b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LADDER|&#x1fa9c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HOOK|&#x1fa9d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MIRROR|&#x1fa9e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|WINDOW|&#x1fa9f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#ffb0ff" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FAAx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PLUNGER|&#x1faa0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|SEWING NEEDLE|&#x1faa1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|KNOT|&#x1faa2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|BUCKET|&#x1faa3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|MOUSE TRAP|&#x1faa4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TOOTHBRUSH|&#x1faa5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|HEADSTONE|&#x1faa6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PLACARD|&#x1faa7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|ROCK|&#x1faa8;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MIRROR BALL|&#x1faa9;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|IDENTIFICATION CARD|&#x1faaa;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LOW BATTERY|&#x1faab;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HAMSA|&#x1faac;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FOLDING HAND FAN|&#x1faad;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HAIR PICK|&#x1faae;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|KHANDA|&#x1faaf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#edc3b4" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FABx |style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FLY|&#x1fab0;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WORM|&#x1fab1;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BEETLE|&#x1fab2;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|COCKROACH|&#x1fab3;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|POTTED PLANT|&#x1fab4;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WOOD|&#x1fab5;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FEATHER|&#x1fab6;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LOTUS|&#x1fab7;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CORAL|&#x1fab8;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|EMPTY NEST|&#x1fab9;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|NEST WITH EGGS|&#x1faba;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HYACINTH|&#x1fabb;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|JELLYFISH|&#x1fabc;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|WING|&#x1fabd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|LEAFLESS TREE|&#x1fabe;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|GOOSE|&#x1fabf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FACx |style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ANATOMICAL HEART|&#x1fac0;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LUNGS|&#x1fac1;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PEOPLE HUGGING|&#x1fac2;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PREGNANT MAN|&#x1fac3;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PREGNANT PERSON|&#x1fac4;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PERSON WITH CROWN|&#x1fac5;}}||style="background:#edc3b4"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FINGERPRINT|&#x1fac6;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|LIVER|&#x1fac7;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|HAIRY CREATURE|&#x1fac8;}}||style="background:#97a24a"|{{H:title|dotted=no|CENTAUR|&#x1fac9;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|DRAGONFLY|&#x1faca;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|KIWI BIRD|&#x1facb;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MONARCH BUTTERFLY|&#x1facc;}}||style="background:#ddb495"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ORCA|&#x1facd;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|MOOSE|&#x1face;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|DONKEY|&#x1facf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|1FADx |style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BLUEBERRIES|&#x1fad0;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BELL PEPPER|&#x1fad1;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|OLIVE|&#x1fad2;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FLATBREAD|&#x1fad3;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TAMALE|&#x1fad4;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|FONDUE|&#x1fad5;}}||style="background:#ffb0ff"|{{H:title|dotted=no|TEAPOT|&#x1fad6;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|POURING LIQUID|&#x1fad7;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|BEANS|&#x1fad8;}}||style="background:#ffc0e0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|JAR|&#x1fad9;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|GINGER ROOT|&#x1fada;}}||style="background:#ffc0c0"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PEA POD|&#x1fadb;}}||style="background:#edc3b4"|{{H:title|dotted=no|ROOT VEGETABLE|&#x1fadc;}}||style="background:#c8a36f"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PICKLE|&#x1fadd;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|RASPBERRY|&#x1fade;}}||style="background:#edc3b4"|{{H:title|dotted=no|SPLATTER|&#x1fadf;}} |----- 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On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about suggestions for improving Wikibooks. {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(120d) |counter = 1 |key = 1f2adc5eee951900b65c7b981b786191 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{clear}} <!--Take threads to archive below this line--> <!--Add new threads to bottom of page--> == Introduce speedy deletion criteria? == I would like to propose that we introduce speedy deletion criteria to Wikibooks, such as {{tq|G1: [reason]}}. I suggest that we adapt from the English Wikipedia's CSD criteria ([[:w:Wikipedia:Speedy deletion]]) but utilize our existing deletion reasons, and even include '''G''' for general, '''R''' for redirects, and so on. Speedy deletion reasons are already included in the [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy|deletion policy]], but should this proposal pass, the new speedy deletion criteria can be split out to a separate policy page, if needed (e.g. [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]]). Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:39, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :On the whole, that seems like it could be useful to expand out our CSD in a more detailed way. Why don't you go ahead and create [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]] as a draft, write out your initial proposal, and then we can workshop it together? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 15:33, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]]: How can this proposal avoid accusations of [[m:Instruction creep|instruction creep]]? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 23:21, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :: How does instruction creep have anything to do with this? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:31, 14 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Well, in that case, we might keep the descriptions simple, not overly detailed. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:30, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::::In that case, we may need to introduce that motion. – [[User:RestoreAccess111|RestoreAccess111]] <sup style="font-family:Arimo, Arial;">[[User talk:RestoreAccess111|Talk!]]</sup> <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman, Tinos;">[[Special:Contributions/RestoreAccess111|Watch!]]</sup> 04:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :We already have speedy deletion though so I don't understand this proposal. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 15:56, 24 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] I created a very early draft in [[User:Kingofnuthin/sandbox|my sandbox]] by merging content from [[w:Wikipedia:Speedy deletion]] and [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]. I added most of the criteria from English Wikipedia's page but I left some that can't be in Wikibooks (such as notability criteria). As I said, the draft is currently very undetailed and only provides simple explanations for criteria except for a few of them. You can add this draft to [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]] to clarify the details of the proposal. I am also open to any feedback regarding the draft. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 16:11, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :: I moved your draft to [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:15, 26 April 2026 (UTC) ::This generally looks good; I've got a couple comments on specific criteria: ::* "G5. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page" includes subpages with no parent page. Given the extent to which Wikibooks uses page nesting, this seems risky - at a minimum, the criterion should be revised to "subpages with no parent '''book'''", and existing pages which meet this criterion should be grandfathered in or otherwise addressed. ::* "B4. Books that duplicate an existing topic" should probably be removed. Unlike Wikipedia, Wikibooks has historically allowed multiple books to address the same topic, e.g. [[Mandarin Chinese]] and [[Chinese (Mandarin)]], or [[C++ Language]] and [[C++ Programming]]. Whether a book "expands upon, details or improves information" in another book is very subjective; determining whether this is the case should be handled in a deletion discussion, not by an admin processing speedy deletions. ::Additionally, I'd suggest that three criteria be added: ::* Books which are over a week old and which contain no instructional content (e.g. books which are nothing but a table of contents). These books are already routinely deleted under [[WB:NMC]]; adopting this as a CSD streamlines the process. ::* Pages in any namespace which are unambiguously advertisements or promotional in nature (akin to [[:w:WP:CSD#G11]]). ::* Pages in any namespace which infringe upon copyright, akin to [[:w:WP:CSD#G12]]. F6/F7 address ''files'' which are copyvios, but not text. ::[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:54, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::: [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]], feel free to make those changes to [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]], from your comments. It's a draft proposal. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:21, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]]: I agree on your thoughts for the removal of B4 and the addition of a new general criterion for copyvios, so I did those. However, I think that G5 is fine in its current state. I don't understand what situation would be "risky" in this case, so please provide some example for that. Additionally, I don't think we need an advertisement criterion right now, as Wikibooks does not seem to have a promotion problem, as it is a collection of textbooks. Also, you mentioned [[Wikibooks:NMC]] as a new criterion even though I copy-pasted criterion G1 from the exact part you mentioned. Such pages could be deleted under G1. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 16:06, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::::With regards to G5, I've seen some situations where a book was incorrectly renamed in such a way that some of the subpages remained under the original title of the book, or pages of a book are inadvertently created under an incorrect title. Given the proposed wording for G5, those pages would be eligible for speedy deletion, even though they are in use as part of the book. ::::With regards to advertisements, Wikibooks does get some spam page creations; you'll see some if you scroll through [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete the deletion log]. It's typically deleted quickly by admins, but if we're codifying criteria for speedy deletion, this should be included as an allowable reason. ::::As far as G1 / NMC is concerned, I initially read G1 as applying only to pages which contain no meaningful content at all, like pages which are empty, nonsense, or vandalism, and which should be deleted promptly. I see this as distinct from books which are superficially well-formed, but which fail to develop, e.g. a user who creates an ambitious-sounding table of contents for a book, but never returns to write any of the text. These shouldn't be deleted immediately (since it takes time to write content!), but are routinely speedily deleted once it's clear that no further content is forthcoming. Since this is a bit of a different process, it should probably be treated as a separate criterion. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 17:28, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I added "Editors should be careful when nominating such pages, as they might be incorrectly named instead. In such cases, editors should move the page to its correctly-titled version." to G5. For advertising you said "Wikibooks does get some spam page creations", but we already have "Spam and vandalism" for G1. In G1, I removed "abandoned content" and made it a new criterion B5 under the book section. (As this would only apply to books.) [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 17:43, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :Quite frankly I don't see the need for a wiki of this size, in addition to what {{u|Leaderboard}} has mentioned. The current reasonings are perfectly fine, and subtly discourage the use of using abbreviations meaningless to new users. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 05:51, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Maybe we could do it without abbreviations, whilst keeping the categories. Our current speedy deletion policy is too short, and only includes main and userspace pages. We need more criteria for the Cookbook and Wikijunior for example. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 12:21, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::But why? [[:w:Wikipedia:If it ain't broke, don't fix it|If it ain't broke, don't fix it]]. Cookbook and Wikijunior for all purposes of policy can generally be implied to be mainspace pages. I find this really overkill for a wiki of this size. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 07:55, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I have to agree with SHB2000 here. One perk of a wiki like this is that we have rules when needed, but we don't put a rule for the sake for it. I haven't had anyone tell that they can't perform their tasks, and it's not like there's a lot of pages to delete. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 12:44, 7 May 2026 (UTC) ::My other worry with this change is that it removes a ''lot'' of flexibility when it comes to page deletions. That's especially crucial on a wiki like this where there is a lot of abandoned content lying around; I thus {{oppose}} this proposal in any form. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 10:11, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::: In my [[User:Codename Noreste/sandbox|sandbox]], I changed from criterion number to {{tq|Speedy deletion:}} in accordance with kingofnuthin. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 20:43, 17 May 2026 (UTC) : Considering the objections above, I hereby {{withdrawn|withdraw}} this, and [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]] can be marked as a failed proposal (but it can be changed with the current speedy deletion reasons when it's time). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:01, 5 June 2026 (UTC) == Questions about [[Wikibooks:Annotated texts]] == I was recently reading over the policy on annotated texts and had a few questions aimed at reforming that policy. (The talk page for the policy has been inactive for eleven years, so I figured a post there would be unlikely to attract attention.) # First and foremost - how many annotated texts of the type described by this policy are actually hosted on Wikibooks? I am only aware of one, [[Annotations to James Joyce's Ulysses]], which is quite incomplete. Are there a significant number more that I am unable to find? If not, might it be appropriate to revise this policy and related documents to reflect that annotated texts are, at best, an experimental part of the project? # The policy on annotated texts currently permits '''unannotated''' source texts to be hosted on Wikibooks provided that either the text is not on Wikisource, or that it is "widely used in classrooms". This seems like a rather large unintended loophole in the policy - there are innumerable texts which have not been transcribed on Wikisource, but which it would not make sense for Wikibooks to house either. Similarly, there are many texts which are "widely used in classrooms", but which have never been annotated on Wikibooks and are unlikely to ever be. The policy also notes the possibility that a multilingual project could create annotated texts with parallel page names across all language editions; I am certainly unaware of any such. Are there any texts on Wikibooks which rely on this policy, or would it be appropriate to strike this section? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:54, 28 April 2026 (UTC) :The policy seems to be contradicting [[Wikibooks:SOURCE]], which states that annotated texts are the only exception to published texts being on Wikibooks. This means that we have a policy that says unannotated source texts are permitted, and another one that says they aren't allowed. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 19:02, 28 April 2026 (UTC) :There is also [[Annotations of The Complete Peanuts]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 14:26, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::That isn't an annotated text of the type described by this policy, as it doesn't include the original text that's being commented on. (Which it can't, because ''Peanuts'' is still under copyright.) [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 16:29, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::Correct, it is not an inline annotation: I was just pointing it out as another kind of annotated text here. :::For what it's worth, our sister project Wikisource [[:s:en:Category:Wikisource annotations|also hosts inline annotations]], such as [[:s:en:What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?/Annotated]], which I made. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 16:33, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::The main problem here is that the policy permits "unannotated texts" even though we don't host them here. I think that the first thing you mentioned can stay but we might need to strike out the second part from the policy as it is contradictory. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 16:38, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Yeah - I certainly don't mean to suggest that the ''Ulysses'' annotations need to go away; I'm mostly curious if this policy has any wider applicability, or if its only function is to allow this one text. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 17:37, 29 April 2026 (UTC) == Proposal related to FlaggedRevs == {{tracked|T426992|fixed}} As said per [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Page patrolling]], I would like to propose the following: # <code>$wgUseNPPatrol</code> and <code>$wgUseFilePatrol</code> are both to be set to <code>false</code>. # <code>autopatrol</code> and <code>patrol</code> are to be removed from some user groups on this wiki. This is because FlaggedRevs is used to review new pages and edits, so I don't think MediaWiki's native patrol function is needed here. It's similar to [[phab:T423461]] (completely turning off the new page patrol function on Ukrainian Wikipedia). In addition, I would like to propose we move the following interface pages once after the below configuration has been implemented: * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy]] * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value-1]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy-1]] * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value-2]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy-2]] * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value-3]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy-3]] I don't really see a reason why we should use {{tq|value}} instead of {{tq|accuracy}} to stand out, when some other projects use {{tq|accuracy}}. {{collapse top|Proposed configuration}} === core-Permissions.php === <syntaxhighlight lang="php"> '+enwikibooks' => [ 'bot' => [ 'autopatrol' => false, ], 'editor' => [ 'rollback' => true, 'suppressredirect' => true, ], 'flood' => [ 'bot' => true ], 'sysop' => [ 'autopatrol' => false, 'patrol' => false, 'importupload' => true, // T278683 ], 'uploader' => [ 'upload' => true, 'reupload' => true, ], 'import' => [ 'mergehistory' => true ], // T382785 'transwiki' => [ 'mergehistory' => true ], // T382785 ], </syntaxhighlight> === flaggedrevs.php === <syntaxhighlight lang="php"> elseif ( $wgDBname == 'enwikibooks' ) { // Limited to the main, Cookbook, and Wikijunior namespaces (T408110) $wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces = [ NS_MAIN, 102, 110 ]; $wgFlaggedRevsTags = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'levels' => 3 ] ]; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['stablesettings'] = true; unset( $wgGroupPermissions['reviewer'] ); } </syntaxhighlight> {{collapse bottom}} Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:05, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :{{support}}, patrolling is obsolete since we have FlaggedRevs extension here. Additionally, we should also consider renaming <code>editor</code> to <code>reviewer</code> to avoid confusion. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 15:19, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :: I agree, but about the <code>validate</code> user right, is this still needed? <code>reviewer</code> has it by default, and administrators already have that user right; we might need to consider whether to remove <code>validate</code> completely from this wiki. :: Also, <code>reviewer</code> is ''not'' under autopromotion, so this means an administrator will have to manually grant and remove that user group, unlike <code>editor</code>. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{courtesy ping}} to @[[User:Kingofnuthin|Kingofnuthin]] to my response. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 20:59, 17 May 2026 (UTC) ::::If renaming the group would result in the autopromotion breaking, couldn't we edit the autopromotion as well? If this would break current reviewers' permissions I don't think we really need it right now as it is just known as <code>editor</code> to the software. For the validate right, I don't have much technical knowledge so I don't know what it does, I can't give an opinion on that. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 12:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: @[[User:Kingofnuthin|Kingofnuthin]] Regarding <code>validate</code>, if we use this line of code...<syntaxhighlight lang="php"> $wgFlaggedRevsTagsRestrictions = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'review' => 2, 'validate' => 3 ], ]; </syntaxhighlight>... it means that reviewers will only be able to flag revisions either as minimal or average, while <code>validate</code> is required to flag revisions as good quality (in which using the current configuration, only administrators can do; therefore, <code>validate</code> is not needed at all here). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :{{support}} I'd be inclined toward standard patrolling rather than FlaggedRevs, but I agree that having both seems clearly redundant and just introduces an administrative burden. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 15:21, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Kingofnuthin}} and {{ping|Koavf}} It's done, but I noticed a major side effect when we removed the `validate` user right, most likely: no one can mark any revisions with quality (aside from reviewing). We might need to add that user right to reviewers and administrators. Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:07, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::Do we really need quality marks here? From what I have seen, the revisions are almost always marked as minimal. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 14:58, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::: If you take a look at [[Special:Log/review]], I just marked [[Cookbook:Githeri]] as reviewed (akin to marking that recipe as patrolled), but the quality is minimal (in which no one can change). Does this describe what you are saying above? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:59, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, this is tricky. Like KoN mentions above, I don't really know how important this feature is. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:29, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::Has anyone checked to see what the realistic shelf life for [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] is? Maybe we should make a change, but in the opposite direction. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatamIdoing|contribs]]) 22:56, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Which change are you describing here {{tq|in the opposite direction}}? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:57, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm wondering whether we should rely more on MediaWiki's native patrol function than on FlaggedRevs. MediaWiki's native patrol function is more likely to be working 10 years from now. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatamIdoing|contribs]]) 23:05, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: Yes, but according to the historical project page [[Wikibooks:New page patrol]], {{tq|Please note that the patroller flag was retired when English Wikibooks enabled FlaggedRevs. The job that was once done by patrollers is now done by reviewers. Most of the content of this page is still accurate; we just use a different interface to do more-or-less the same thing.}} [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:10, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::That doesn't tell us how we should plan for the future. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatamIdoing|contribs]]) 02:50, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposal to discontinue quality criteria levels via FlaggedRevs == {{collapse top|Proposed configuration}} <syntaxhighlight lang="php"> elseif ( $wgDBname == 'enwikibooks' ) { // Limited to the main, Cookbook, and Wikijunior namespaces (T408110) $wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces = [ NS_MAIN, 102, 110 ]; $wgFlaggedRevsTags = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'levels' => 1 ] ]; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['stablesettings'] = true; unset( $wgGroupPermissions['reviewer'] ); } </syntaxhighlight> {{collapse bottom}} I would like to propose discontinuing the [[Help:Tracking changes#Quality criteria and levels|quality criteria levels]]; by using <code>$wgFlaggedRevsTags = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'levels' => 1 ] ];</code>, there would only be two levels, unreviewed and reviewed, per the comments on the previous proposal above (and because <code>validate</code> is no longer available). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 11:42, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :'''Support''' ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 15:07, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :{{comment}} In my years here, I have never used, looked at, or seen anyone reference the quality criteria levels—I don't think they are a useful component of the project these days. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 11:01, 1 June 2026 (UTC) : I filed [[phab:T428329]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:28, 6 June 2026 (UTC) ::<nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> [[User:VadymTS1|VadymTS1]] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/VadymTS1|contribs]]) 20:33, 8 June 2026 (UTC) chvn3dsgb3uf8v6emhxjz03f9wlnvpj 4639433 4639432 2026-06-08T20:33:42Z VadymTS1 3594537 /* Proposal to discontinue quality criteria levels via FlaggedRevs */ 4639433 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{Shortcut|WB:RFC|WB:PROPOSALS}} {{TOC left<!--|limit=2-->}} Welcome to the '''Proposals reading room'''. On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about suggestions for improving Wikibooks. {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(120d) |counter = 1 |key = 1f2adc5eee951900b65c7b981b786191 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{clear}} <!--Take threads to archive below this line--> <!--Add new threads to bottom of page--> == Introduce speedy deletion criteria? == I would like to propose that we introduce speedy deletion criteria to Wikibooks, such as {{tq|G1: [reason]}}. I suggest that we adapt from the English Wikipedia's CSD criteria ([[:w:Wikipedia:Speedy deletion]]) but utilize our existing deletion reasons, and even include '''G''' for general, '''R''' for redirects, and so on. Speedy deletion reasons are already included in the [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy|deletion policy]], but should this proposal pass, the new speedy deletion criteria can be split out to a separate policy page, if needed (e.g. [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]]). Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:39, 7 April 2026 (UTC) :On the whole, that seems like it could be useful to expand out our CSD in a more detailed way. Why don't you go ahead and create [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]] as a draft, write out your initial proposal, and then we can workshop it together? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 15:33, 10 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]]: How can this proposal avoid accusations of [[m:Instruction creep|instruction creep]]? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 23:21, 14 April 2026 (UTC) :: How does instruction creep have anything to do with this? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:31, 14 April 2026 (UTC) ::: Well, in that case, we might keep the descriptions simple, not overly detailed. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:30, 17 April 2026 (UTC) ::::In that case, we may need to introduce that motion. – [[User:RestoreAccess111|RestoreAccess111]] <sup style="font-family:Arimo, Arial;">[[User talk:RestoreAccess111|Talk!]]</sup> <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman, Tinos;">[[Special:Contributions/RestoreAccess111|Watch!]]</sup> 04:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :We already have speedy deletion though so I don't understand this proposal. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 15:56, 24 April 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] I created a very early draft in [[User:Kingofnuthin/sandbox|my sandbox]] by merging content from [[w:Wikipedia:Speedy deletion]] and [[Wikibooks:Deletion policy]]. I added most of the criteria from English Wikipedia's page but I left some that can't be in Wikibooks (such as notability criteria). As I said, the draft is currently very undetailed and only provides simple explanations for criteria except for a few of them. You can add this draft to [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]] to clarify the details of the proposal. I am also open to any feedback regarding the draft. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 16:11, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :: I moved your draft to [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:15, 26 April 2026 (UTC) ::This generally looks good; I've got a couple comments on specific criteria: ::* "G5. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page" includes subpages with no parent page. Given the extent to which Wikibooks uses page nesting, this seems risky - at a minimum, the criterion should be revised to "subpages with no parent '''book'''", and existing pages which meet this criterion should be grandfathered in or otherwise addressed. ::* "B4. Books that duplicate an existing topic" should probably be removed. Unlike Wikipedia, Wikibooks has historically allowed multiple books to address the same topic, e.g. [[Mandarin Chinese]] and [[Chinese (Mandarin)]], or [[C++ Language]] and [[C++ Programming]]. Whether a book "expands upon, details or improves information" in another book is very subjective; determining whether this is the case should be handled in a deletion discussion, not by an admin processing speedy deletions. ::Additionally, I'd suggest that three criteria be added: ::* Books which are over a week old and which contain no instructional content (e.g. books which are nothing but a table of contents). These books are already routinely deleted under [[WB:NMC]]; adopting this as a CSD streamlines the process. ::* Pages in any namespace which are unambiguously advertisements or promotional in nature (akin to [[:w:WP:CSD#G11]]). ::* Pages in any namespace which infringe upon copyright, akin to [[:w:WP:CSD#G12]]. F6/F7 address ''files'' which are copyvios, but not text. ::[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:54, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::: [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]], feel free to make those changes to [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]], from your comments. It's a draft proposal. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:21, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]]: I agree on your thoughts for the removal of B4 and the addition of a new general criterion for copyvios, so I did those. However, I think that G5 is fine in its current state. I don't understand what situation would be "risky" in this case, so please provide some example for that. Additionally, I don't think we need an advertisement criterion right now, as Wikibooks does not seem to have a promotion problem, as it is a collection of textbooks. Also, you mentioned [[Wikibooks:NMC]] as a new criterion even though I copy-pasted criterion G1 from the exact part you mentioned. Such pages could be deleted under G1. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 16:06, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::::With regards to G5, I've seen some situations where a book was incorrectly renamed in such a way that some of the subpages remained under the original title of the book, or pages of a book are inadvertently created under an incorrect title. Given the proposed wording for G5, those pages would be eligible for speedy deletion, even though they are in use as part of the book. ::::With regards to advertisements, Wikibooks does get some spam page creations; you'll see some if you scroll through [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete the deletion log]. It's typically deleted quickly by admins, but if we're codifying criteria for speedy deletion, this should be included as an allowable reason. ::::As far as G1 / NMC is concerned, I initially read G1 as applying only to pages which contain no meaningful content at all, like pages which are empty, nonsense, or vandalism, and which should be deleted promptly. I see this as distinct from books which are superficially well-formed, but which fail to develop, e.g. a user who creates an ambitious-sounding table of contents for a book, but never returns to write any of the text. These shouldn't be deleted immediately (since it takes time to write content!), but are routinely speedily deleted once it's clear that no further content is forthcoming. Since this is a bit of a different process, it should probably be treated as a separate criterion. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 17:28, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::::I added "Editors should be careful when nominating such pages, as they might be incorrectly named instead. In such cases, editors should move the page to its correctly-titled version." to G5. For advertising you said "Wikibooks does get some spam page creations", but we already have "Spam and vandalism" for G1. In G1, I removed "abandoned content" and made it a new criterion B5 under the book section. (As this would only apply to books.) [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 17:43, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :Quite frankly I don't see the need for a wiki of this size, in addition to what {{u|Leaderboard}} has mentioned. The current reasonings are perfectly fine, and subtly discourage the use of using abbreviations meaningless to new users. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 05:51, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Maybe we could do it without abbreviations, whilst keeping the categories. Our current speedy deletion policy is too short, and only includes main and userspace pages. We need more criteria for the Cookbook and Wikijunior for example. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 12:21, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::But why? [[:w:Wikipedia:If it ain't broke, don't fix it|If it ain't broke, don't fix it]]. Cookbook and Wikijunior for all purposes of policy can generally be implied to be mainspace pages. I find this really overkill for a wiki of this size. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 07:55, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I have to agree with SHB2000 here. One perk of a wiki like this is that we have rules when needed, but we don't put a rule for the sake for it. I haven't had anyone tell that they can't perform their tasks, and it's not like there's a lot of pages to delete. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 12:44, 7 May 2026 (UTC) ::My other worry with this change is that it removes a ''lot'' of flexibility when it comes to page deletions. That's especially crucial on a wiki like this where there is a lot of abandoned content lying around; I thus {{oppose}} this proposal in any form. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 10:11, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::: In my [[User:Codename Noreste/sandbox|sandbox]], I changed from criterion number to {{tq|Speedy deletion:}} in accordance with kingofnuthin. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 20:43, 17 May 2026 (UTC) : Considering the objections above, I hereby {{withdrawn|withdraw}} this, and [[Wikibooks:Speedy deletion]] can be marked as a failed proposal (but it can be changed with the current speedy deletion reasons when it's time). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:01, 5 June 2026 (UTC) == Questions about [[Wikibooks:Annotated texts]] == I was recently reading over the policy on annotated texts and had a few questions aimed at reforming that policy. (The talk page for the policy has been inactive for eleven years, so I figured a post there would be unlikely to attract attention.) # First and foremost - how many annotated texts of the type described by this policy are actually hosted on Wikibooks? I am only aware of one, [[Annotations to James Joyce's Ulysses]], which is quite incomplete. Are there a significant number more that I am unable to find? If not, might it be appropriate to revise this policy and related documents to reflect that annotated texts are, at best, an experimental part of the project? # The policy on annotated texts currently permits '''unannotated''' source texts to be hosted on Wikibooks provided that either the text is not on Wikisource, or that it is "widely used in classrooms". This seems like a rather large unintended loophole in the policy - there are innumerable texts which have not been transcribed on Wikisource, but which it would not make sense for Wikibooks to house either. Similarly, there are many texts which are "widely used in classrooms", but which have never been annotated on Wikibooks and are unlikely to ever be. The policy also notes the possibility that a multilingual project could create annotated texts with parallel page names across all language editions; I am certainly unaware of any such. Are there any texts on Wikibooks which rely on this policy, or would it be appropriate to strike this section? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:54, 28 April 2026 (UTC) :The policy seems to be contradicting [[Wikibooks:SOURCE]], which states that annotated texts are the only exception to published texts being on Wikibooks. This means that we have a policy that says unannotated source texts are permitted, and another one that says they aren't allowed. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 19:02, 28 April 2026 (UTC) :There is also [[Annotations of The Complete Peanuts]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 14:26, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::That isn't an annotated text of the type described by this policy, as it doesn't include the original text that's being commented on. (Which it can't, because ''Peanuts'' is still under copyright.) [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 16:29, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::Correct, it is not an inline annotation: I was just pointing it out as another kind of annotated text here. :::For what it's worth, our sister project Wikisource [[:s:en:Category:Wikisource annotations|also hosts inline annotations]], such as [[:s:en:What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?/Annotated]], which I made. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 16:33, 29 April 2026 (UTC) :::The main problem here is that the policy permits "unannotated texts" even though we don't host them here. I think that the first thing you mentioned can stay but we might need to strike out the second part from the policy as it is contradictory. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 16:38, 29 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Yeah - I certainly don't mean to suggest that the ''Ulysses'' annotations need to go away; I'm mostly curious if this policy has any wider applicability, or if its only function is to allow this one text. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 17:37, 29 April 2026 (UTC) == Proposal related to FlaggedRevs == {{tracked|T426992|fixed}} As said per [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Page patrolling]], I would like to propose the following: # <code>$wgUseNPPatrol</code> and <code>$wgUseFilePatrol</code> are both to be set to <code>false</code>. # <code>autopatrol</code> and <code>patrol</code> are to be removed from some user groups on this wiki. This is because FlaggedRevs is used to review new pages and edits, so I don't think MediaWiki's native patrol function is needed here. It's similar to [[phab:T423461]] (completely turning off the new page patrol function on Ukrainian Wikipedia). In addition, I would like to propose we move the following interface pages once after the below configuration has been implemented: * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy]] * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value-1]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy-1]] * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value-2]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy-2]] * [[MediaWiki:Revreview-value-3]] to [[MediaWiki:Revreview-accuracy-3]] I don't really see a reason why we should use {{tq|value}} instead of {{tq|accuracy}} to stand out, when some other projects use {{tq|accuracy}}. {{collapse top|Proposed configuration}} === core-Permissions.php === <syntaxhighlight lang="php"> '+enwikibooks' => [ 'bot' => [ 'autopatrol' => false, ], 'editor' => [ 'rollback' => true, 'suppressredirect' => true, ], 'flood' => [ 'bot' => true ], 'sysop' => [ 'autopatrol' => false, 'patrol' => false, 'importupload' => true, // T278683 ], 'uploader' => [ 'upload' => true, 'reupload' => true, ], 'import' => [ 'mergehistory' => true ], // T382785 'transwiki' => [ 'mergehistory' => true ], // T382785 ], </syntaxhighlight> === flaggedrevs.php === <syntaxhighlight lang="php"> elseif ( $wgDBname == 'enwikibooks' ) { // Limited to the main, Cookbook, and Wikijunior namespaces (T408110) $wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces = [ NS_MAIN, 102, 110 ]; $wgFlaggedRevsTags = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'levels' => 3 ] ]; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['stablesettings'] = true; unset( $wgGroupPermissions['reviewer'] ); } </syntaxhighlight> {{collapse bottom}} Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:05, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :{{support}}, patrolling is obsolete since we have FlaggedRevs extension here. Additionally, we should also consider renaming <code>editor</code> to <code>reviewer</code> to avoid confusion. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 15:19, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :: I agree, but about the <code>validate</code> user right, is this still needed? <code>reviewer</code> has it by default, and administrators already have that user right; we might need to consider whether to remove <code>validate</code> completely from this wiki. :: Also, <code>reviewer</code> is ''not'' under autopromotion, so this means an administrator will have to manually grant and remove that user group, unlike <code>editor</code>. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{courtesy ping}} to @[[User:Kingofnuthin|Kingofnuthin]] to my response. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 20:59, 17 May 2026 (UTC) ::::If renaming the group would result in the autopromotion breaking, couldn't we edit the autopromotion as well? If this would break current reviewers' permissions I don't think we really need it right now as it is just known as <code>editor</code> to the software. For the validate right, I don't have much technical knowledge so I don't know what it does, I can't give an opinion on that. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 12:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: @[[User:Kingofnuthin|Kingofnuthin]] Regarding <code>validate</code>, if we use this line of code...<syntaxhighlight lang="php"> $wgFlaggedRevsTagsRestrictions = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'review' => 2, 'validate' => 3 ], ]; </syntaxhighlight>... it means that reviewers will only be able to flag revisions either as minimal or average, while <code>validate</code> is required to flag revisions as good quality (in which using the current configuration, only administrators can do; therefore, <code>validate</code> is not needed at all here). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :{{support}} I'd be inclined toward standard patrolling rather than FlaggedRevs, but I agree that having both seems clearly redundant and just introduces an administrative burden. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 15:21, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Kingofnuthin}} and {{ping|Koavf}} It's done, but I noticed a major side effect when we removed the `validate` user right, most likely: no one can mark any revisions with quality (aside from reviewing). We might need to add that user right to reviewers and administrators. Thoughts? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:07, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::Do we really need quality marks here? From what I have seen, the revisions are almost always marked as minimal. [[User:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: lime">kingofnuthin</span>]] ([[User talk:kingofnuthin|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: teal">talk</span>]]) 14:58, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::: If you take a look at [[Special:Log/review]], I just marked [[Cookbook:Githeri]] as reviewed (akin to marking that recipe as patrolled), but the quality is minimal (in which no one can change). Does this describe what you are saying above? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:59, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::Yeah, this is tricky. Like KoN mentions above, I don't really know how important this feature is. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:29, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::Has anyone checked to see what the realistic shelf life for [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] is? Maybe we should make a change, but in the opposite direction. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatamIdoing|contribs]]) 22:56, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Which change are you describing here {{tq|in the opposite direction}}? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:57, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I'm wondering whether we should rely more on MediaWiki's native patrol function than on FlaggedRevs. MediaWiki's native patrol function is more likely to be working 10 years from now. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatamIdoing|contribs]]) 23:05, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: Yes, but according to the historical project page [[Wikibooks:New page patrol]], {{tq|Please note that the patroller flag was retired when English Wikibooks enabled FlaggedRevs. The job that was once done by patrollers is now done by reviewers. Most of the content of this page is still accurate; we just use a different interface to do more-or-less the same thing.}} [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 23:10, 25 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::That doesn't tell us how we should plan for the future. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/WhatamIdoing|contribs]]) 02:50, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposal to discontinue quality criteria levels via FlaggedRevs == {{collapse top|Proposed configuration}} <syntaxhighlight lang="php"> elseif ( $wgDBname == 'enwikibooks' ) { // Limited to the main, Cookbook, and Wikijunior namespaces (T408110) $wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces = [ NS_MAIN, 102, 110 ]; $wgFlaggedRevsTags = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'levels' => 1 ] ]; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['stablesettings'] = true; unset( $wgGroupPermissions['reviewer'] ); } </syntaxhighlight> {{collapse bottom}} I would like to propose discontinuing the [[Help:Tracking changes#Quality criteria and levels|quality criteria levels]]; by using <code>$wgFlaggedRevsTags = [ 'accuracy' => [ 'levels' => 1 ] ];</code>, there would only be two levels, unreviewed and reviewed, per the comments on the previous proposal above (and because <code>validate</code> is no longer available). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 11:42, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :'''Support''' ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 15:07, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :{{comment}} In my years here, I have never used, looked at, or seen anyone reference the quality criteria levels—I don't think they are a useful component of the project these days. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 11:01, 1 June 2026 (UTC) : I filed [[phab:T428329]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 14:28, 6 June 2026 (UTC) ::{{done}} [[User:VadymTS1|VadymTS1]] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/VadymTS1|contribs]]) 20:33, 8 June 2026 (UTC) lu5bqf8d4x0niv9tc3htffag4gtmd0r 4 159234 4639402 1659561 2026-06-08T18:48:57Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639402 wikitext text/x-wiki == [[Final Destruction Tutorial]] == {| cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="border: 1px red solid; background: #ffffcc; width: 95%; margin: auto; color: #000000;" | style="width: 40px; text-align: center;" | [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] | Closed as '''delete''' per [[WB:GUIDE]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 21:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |- | colspan="2" style="border-top: 1px red dashed;" | A strategy guide/tutorial for playing the online game Final Destruction, which is outside Wikibooks' scope. Original research, not textbook material, not something that would be used in an educational setting. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Delete'''. As above. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] ([[User talk:RobinH|talk]]) 16:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC) ::[[Image:Symbol keep vote.svg|15px]]-'''Keep''', but someone will need to clean it up ([[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 21:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Delete''' per [[WB:GUIDE]] &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 21:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Delete''' per Mike.lifeguard. [[User:Adambro|Adambro]] ([[User talk:Adambro|talk]]) 21:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Delete''' --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 22:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Delete''' - [[User:Hoogli|Hoogli]] ([[User talk:Hoogli|talk]]) 22:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] '''Delete''' - nuke it per Mike. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 23:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC) |} mamtafen9b62urmymyg22heyghmzwcz 5 161176 4639408 1999092 2026-06-08T19:03:26Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639408 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk header}} How do we feel about having a template like [[User:Mike.lifeguard/Sandbox 4]] instead of this page - users add the template to their userpage, which categorizes it. Once it's done (or not) the template just gets moved from their userpage to an archive somewhere. I imagine if that's at all a good idea the template would need tweaking - perhaps more/other tools should be linked? &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 21:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC) :I'm not necessarily against this idea. However, the problem for me is that I tend to check my watchlist for these requests, and they aren't going to show up at all on the watchlist if we're using templates and categories. It is a pretty template, however. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC) ::Well, you can do a DPL page and/or add the category to [[WB:ACW]]. ::BTW, where are we archiving these to? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 12:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC) :::...um...archiving? I don't know, we can probably archive them to the same place as requests from the parent page. Whatever's easiest though. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 19:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC) ::::OK, I'm archiving them to the appropriate month for [[WB:AA]] (ie [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/2008/June]] for the last set I archived]]). If this page is temporary, there's no need for separate archives. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 12:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC) == The rename link == This link will bring you to a filled [[Special:RenameUser]] form with the fields filled. The reason will be "[[WB:RENAME]]: http://en.wikibooks.org/?diff=prev&oldid=123456" - to make this work, just do {{tlx|done}} or whatever on the request, ''then'' hit the rename link (the diff will be that edit where you added {{tlx|done}} so it is easy to find the request). If you are using that rename link at some other time, please just remove the URL from the reason summary, or go to [[Special:RenameUser]] and fill the form manually. Any suggestions for making this process go smoother? &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 21:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :...? I'm not entirely certain what you are saying, and none of the links you have there take us to a form with anything already filled out. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 22:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC) ::Oh wait, I see what you are saying now. Good work! --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 22:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC) :::Yeah, sorry for that. I'm talking about the rename link produced by the template {{tlxs|renameuser|...}}. :::And did folks notice the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Renaming&action=edit&section=new&preload=Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Renaming/req&editintro=Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Renaming/editintro preload thingy]? I'm thinking we should do something like that for [[WB:VFD]]. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 22:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC) 42mhvwux74ptrhfodta5p5ff2mww7zi 0 169855 4639370 4635388 2026-06-08T17:41:13Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639370 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Sicilian defence |eco=[[Chess/ECOB|B21]] |parent=[[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...c5|Sicilian defence]] → [[../|2. d4]] }} ==2...cxd4 == Black takes the pawn. The trade of a c- for d-pawn gives Black a central pawn majority. Though White could take it back with [[/3. Qxd4|'''3. Qxd4?!''']], this allows Black to push the queen around and play 3...Nc6 with tempo. Instead the main move is [[/3. c3|'''3. c3''']], the '''Smith-Morra gambit'''. After 3...dxc3 White can retake while developing their knight. An alternative is [[/3. Nf3|'''3. Nf3''']], the '''Morphy gambit'''. White prepares to recapture with the knight. If Black tries to holds onto the extra pawn with 3...e5, White's best continuation is 4. c3 leading to something similar to the Smith-Morra, where Black has a hole on d5 and a backward d-pawn. Otherwise, this can transpose into an Open Sicilian after (e.g.) 3...d6 4. Nxd4. ===History=== 2. d4 was in vogue in the mid-18th century. Jaenisch, in his 1842 book of analysis, gave 2. d4 as White's best move against the Sicilian. 3. Qxd4 and 3. Nf3 were the continuations of the day; Jaenisch's gave preference to 2...cxd4 3. Qxd4, even though 3...Nc6 4. Qd1 allows Black to gain time on the queen.<ref name="jaenisch">{{Cite book |title=Jaenisch's chess preceptor: a new analysis of the openings of games |last=de Jaenisch |first=C. F. |publisher=Longman & co. |year=1847 |location=London |url=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn52dv&seq=5 |translator-last=Walker |translator-first=George}} (translation of {{Cite book |title=Analyse nouvelle des ouvertures du jeu des échecs |last=de Jaenisch |first=C. F. |publisher=Gartner |year=1842}})</ref>{{rp|25-28}} An early appearance of the gambit 3. c3 was in 1846 in Kieseritzky v Vitzthum.<ref>[https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1630926 Kieseritzky v Vitzthum, 1846 - Chessgames.com]</ref> It went largely un-played for the next century, aside from a few games in the 1920s and 1930s, until it was revived in the 1950s. [[Wikipedia:Ken Smith (chess player)|Kenneth Smith]] (1930―1999) and [[Wikipedia:fr:Pierre Morra|Pierre Morra]] (1900―1969) independently published analysis of it in the 50s. Another proponent was [[Wikipedia:Milan Matulović|Milan Matulović]] (1935―2013), after whom it was sometimes called (the Matulović gambit). Its leading proponent today is [[Wikipedia:Marc Esserman|Marc Esserman]] (1983―). ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. :'''1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left">3</th> <th align="left">4</th> <th align="left">5</th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Smith-Morra Gambit</span></th> <td>[[/3. c3|c3]]<br>dxc3</td> <td>Nxc3<br>Nc6</td> <td>Nf3<br>d6</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small"></span></th> <td>[[/3. Nf3|Nf3]]<br>d6</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small"></span></th> <td>[[/3. Qxd4|Qxd4]]<br>Nc6</td> <td>=/+</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} ===See also=== {{Wikipedia|Smith-Morra Gambit}} == External links == *[https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?node=1038331 Smith-Morra - Chessgames.com] {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} i6j4gg65ofwpfzxhffqrs7fbtn54pdn 0 169857 4639372 4635960 2026-06-08T17:41:42Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639372 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Smith-Morra gambit accepted |eco=[[Chess/ECOB|B21]] |parent=[[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...c5|Sicilian defence]] → [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...c5/2. d4/2...cxd4/3. c3|Smith-Morra gambit]] }} == 3...dxc4 · Smith-Morra gambit accepted == Black accepts the gambit by taking another pawn. [[/4. Nxc3|'''4. Nxc3''']] retakes the pawn while developing a piece. White's advantage is that they have managed to move both their e- and d-pawns, meaning they are ready to develop both their bishops without making any more pawn moves, without Black having had time to develop anything. All they had to give up was their central d-pawn: Black's advantage is that they are a pawn up and have both d- and e-pawns on the board. Offering up another pawn, e.g. '''4. Bc4?''' cxb2 5. Bxb2 à la the [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. d4/2...exd4/3. c3/3...dxc3/4. Bc4/4...cxb2/5. Bxb2|Danish gambit]] is considered to give up too much material for the compensation on offer, but it is aggressive and may still be played especially at shorter time controls. [[/4. bxc3|'''4. bxc3??''']] is inferior: preventing the development of the knight to c3, and leaving White with isolated a- and c-pawns, gives them no compensation for the sacrifice. ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} :'''1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left">4</th> <th align="left">5</th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Smith-Morra Gambit Accepted</span></th> <td>[[/4. Nxc3|Nxc3]]<br>Nc6</td> <td>Nf3<br>d6</td> <td></td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Smith-Morra Gambit}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} oyi6kr72fd7du07yiqb2mn7n2uspm9b 0 176383 4639374 4636234 2026-06-08T17:42:21Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639374 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |Three knights variation |parent=[[../|Russian game]] |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C42]] }} == 3. Nc3 · Three knights variation == Black's most common response to this move is [[/3...Nc6|'''3...Nc6''']], which transposes into the '''Four knights game'''. Black can also play [[/3...Bb4|'''3...Bb4''']]. ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} '''1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left">3</th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Four Knights</span></th> <td>...<br>[[/3...Nc6|Nc6]]</td> <td>Bb5<br>&nbsp;</td> <td>(to 2...Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6)</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right"><span style="font-size:small">Petrov Defense</span></th> <td>...<br>[[/3...Bb4|Bb4]]</td> <td>Nxe5<br>&nbsp;</td> <td></td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} {{wikipedia|Petrov's Defence}} {{BCO2}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} 8a0koa81z4g23b3jgj3w5rr6xml26re 4 188168 4639385 4624736 2026-06-08T17:58:03Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639385 wikitext text/x-wiki == [[Wikibooks:All pages by title]] == <table style="border:2px solid #A5A77F; background: #e8edc7; width:95%; margin:auto; color:black; border-spacing:0.5em;"> <caption style="padding:0.5em;">''The following discussion has concluded. 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'''1998/99 Collage Series:''' Colored Photos with typical images from over 30 American cities and 4 states. '''2002 Skyline Series:''' Display city skylines, typically blue on white. '''2002 Skyline Mini Series:''' Demitasse/espresso size. Display city skylines, typically blue on white. '''2002 Skyline Series Giant Mugs''' Released in a very limited edition to only the highest volume stores and display city skylines similar to the 20 oz counterparts. 'The Skyline Giants' have a 2.5-gallon capacity. '''2002 USA Scenic Series''' Often considered a limited edition, 4-mug extension of the Skyline Series. Displays the American Flag, Mount Rushmore, Statue of Liberty and Iwo Jima Memorial. '''2002 Italian Romance Series:''' Same style as 1994 Collectors Series, sold in US as tribute to Italian coffee culture. '''2004 City Scenes:''' Black-and-white pictures with landmarks from several cities in the United States and Canada. '''2004 Art Deco Style:''' Similar to the 2004 City Scenes, these mugs feature an art deco style and were only released in four U.S. cities. '''2005 Photo Series:''' Unique style motifs from the United Kingdom and Ireland. '''2006 US/Canada Architecture Series:''' City skylines, purple/blue on white, with city facts on the backside of the mug. '''2006 US/Canada Architecture Mini Series''' '''2007 Park Series:''' These mugs feature motifs from several city parks and national parks in the United States and Canada. '''2008 Icon Series:''' These mugs are replacing the original City Mugs all over the World. Started in June 2008 in China (for the Olympic Games), now also spread to other countries all over the world. '''2008 Icon Mini Series:''' Same as the Icon Series, but smaller (3 oz). Not all cities who do have an Icon Mug also have a Mini Mug. '''2013 You Are Here Series:''' The newest series of mugs. In Canada and in the USA these mugs are replacing the 2008 Icon Series. '''2018 Been there Series:''' In Canada and in the USA these mugs are replacing the 2013 You Are Here Series since June 2018. '''2024 Discovery Series:''' The Discovery Series has been available in the USA since April 2024 , and may soon be available in other countries as well, as this series is the  official successor to the popular Been There series. '''<u>Non City Mugs</u>''' '''Japan Series:''' A series of colorful mugs from several Japanese cities as well as one "Japan Country Mug" per year since 2002. '''Asian Artsy Design Mugs:''' These mugs have intricate designs mainly from Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, and the Philippines. '''Coffee Origin Mugs:''' Dedicated to the countries and regions where Starbucks buys coffee beans, including places such as Guatemala and Sulawesi. '''Coffee Blend Mugs:''' Dedicated to various popular coffee blends such as Caffe Verona. '''Christmas Mugs:''' This would be all Christmas/ Hannukah/ Kwanza mugs. '''Miscellaneous Holiday Mugs:''' All other holiday mugs (Easter, Valentine's, Thanksgiving, etc.) '''Holiday Ornaments:''' All of the miniature ornaments that include tiny mugs (not to be confused with the demitasse) '''Starbucks Anniversary Mugs:''' Released to celebrate the inauguration of Starbucks in a country/ city. '''Miscellaneous Mini Mugs:''' Smaller versions of some regular-sized mugs, and a typical size for a single espresso. '''Tasting Cups:''' Two ounce cups that don't have handles '''Other Mugs''' '''<u>Tumblers</u>''' '''Icon Tumblers''' '''Other City Tumblers''' '''Non City Tumblers''' ==CITY RELIEF MUGS== '''NO. 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**Monterrey **Morelia **Playa del Carmen **Puebla **Puerto Vallarta I -Malecon Seahorse (DISCONTINUED) **Puerto Vallarta II **Querétaro **San Miguel de Allende **Tulum **Veracruz **Villahermosa **Zacatecas -El Cubo Aqueduct (DISCONTINUED) '''MONACO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Monaco *You Are Here Series (2x) ** Monaco '''MOROCCO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Morocco *You Are Here Series (4x) **Casablanca **Marrakech **Morocco **Rabat '''THE NETHERLANDS''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (12x) **Amsterdam I-Brouwersgracht (DISCONTINUED) **Amsterdam II-Rijksmuseum **Arnhem **Hilversum **Netherlands **Nijmegen I (DISCONTINUED) **Nijmegen II (correct bridge) **Den Haag **Utrecht **Leiden **Groningen **Rotterdam *You Are Here Series (8x+3x Christmas) **Amsterdam **Den Haag **Eindhoven **Netherlands **Roermond **Rotterdam **Schiphol **Utrecht **Amsterdam (Christmas version) **Amsterdam (Christmas glass version) **Netherlands (Christmas version) '''NEW ZEALAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **New Zealand **Auckland **North Island (no longer available since Dec.2010 // only as mini) **South Island (no longer available since Dec.2010 // only as mini) **Wellington *You Are Here Series (1x) **Queenstown '''NORTHERN IRELAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Belfast **Northern Ireland *You Are Here Series (2x) **Belfast **Northern Ireland '''NORWAY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Bergen **Norway **Oslo **Stavanger **Trondheim *You Are Here Series (5x) **Bergen **Kristiansand **Lillehammer **Norway **Oslo **Stavanger **Trondheim '''OMAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Oman *You Are Here Series (1x) **Oman '''PANAMA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Panamà '''PERU''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Arequipa **Cusco **Lima **Peru '''PHILIPPINES''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (20x) **Bacolod **Baguio (DISCONTINUED) **Baguio II **Batangas **Boracay (DISCONTINUED) **Boracay II **Cagayan De Oro **Cebu (DISCONTINUED) **Cebu II **Davao **General Santos City **Iloilo **Makati **Manila~Jeepney (DISCONTINUED) **Manila II~Kalesa **Naga **Pampanga **Philippines (DISCONTINUED) **Philippines II~Waling Waling **Tagaytay *You Are Here Series (15x+9x Christmas) **Baguio **Boracay **Davao **Cebu **Makati **Manila **Philippines **Quezon City **Tagaytay **Pampanga **Iloilo **Cagayan de Oro **Bulacan **Batangas **Bacolod **Cebu (Christmas version 1) **Cebu (Christmas version 2) **Cebu (Christmas version 3) **Manila (Christmas version 1) **Manila (Christmas version 2) **Manila (Christmas version 3) **Philippines (Christmas version 1) **Philippines (Christmas version 2) **Philippines (Christmas version 3) *Been there Series **Bacolod **Baguio **Batangas **Boracay **Bulacan **Cagayan De Oro **Cavite **Cebu **Davao **Iloilo **Laguna **Manila **Makati **Pampanga **Philippines **Quezon City **Tagaytay '''POLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (10x) **Gdansk **Gdynia **Katowice **Kraków **Lodz **Poland **Poznan **Szczcecin **Warsaw **Wroclaw *You Are Here Series (7x+1x Christmas) **Gdansk **Krakow **Poland **Poznan **Szczecin **Warsaw **Wroclaw **Poland (Christmas version) '''PORTUGAL''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Lisboa **Lisbon (DISCONTINUED) **Portugal-Carrack (NO cross on sail) version 1 (DISCONTINUED) **Portugal-Carrack (WITH cross on sail) version 2 *You Are Here Series (3x+1x Christmas) **Lisboa **Porto **Portugal **Portugal (Christmas version) '''PUERTO RICO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Puerto Rico '''QATAR''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Qatar I -Aspire Tower (DISCONTINUED) **Qatar II -Arabian Oryx *You Are Here Series (1x) **Qatar '''ROMANIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Romania **Bucharest **Cluj-Napoca *You Are Here Series (2x+1x Christmas) **Bucharest **Romania **Romania (Christmas version) '''RUSSIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (15x) **Kazan **Krasnodar I (DISCONTINUED) **Krasnodar II **Moscow **Novosibirsk (store not opened yet) **Rostov-on-Don **Russia **Samara **Sochi I (DISCONTINUED) **Sochi II **St. Petersburg I (DISCONTINUED) **St. Petersburg II **Tyumen **Yekaterinburg **Yaroslavl *You Are Here Series (3x+2x Christmas) **Moscow **Russia **St. Petersburg **Moscow (Christmas version 1) **Moscow (Christmas version 2) '''SAUDI ARABIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Jeddah **Riyadh **Kingdom of Saudi Arabia *You Are Here Series (3x) **Jeddah **Kingdom of Saudi Arabia **Riyadh '''SCOTLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Edinburgh **Glasgow **Scotland *You Are Here Series (5x+1x Christmas) **Aberdeen **Edinburgh **Glasgow **Scotland **St Andrews **Scotland (Christmas version) '''SERBIA''' * You Are Here Series (2x) ** Serbia ** Београд '''SINGAPORE''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Singapore -Merlion-brown (DISCONTINUED) **Singapore -Orchid-blue (DISCONTINUED) **Singapore -Merlion-red (DISCONTINUED) **Singapore -Raffles-orange (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (2x+1x Christmas) **Singapore (1) **Singapore (2) **Singapore (Christmas version) '''SLOVAKIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Bratislava **Slovakia *You Are Here Series (2x0 **Bratislava **Slovakia '''SOUTH AFRICA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **South Africa *You Are Here Series (5x) **Cape Town **Durban **Johannesburg **Pretoria **South Africa '''SOUTH KOREA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Korea(DISCONTINUED) **Seoul(DISCONTINUED) '''SPAIN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (10x) **Alicante **Barcelona (DISCONTINUED) **Bilbao **Madrid (DISCONTINUED) **Málaga **Mallorca **Sevilla (Spanish, latest) **Seville (English, previous) **Spain **Valencia *You Are Here Series (12x+2x Christmas) **Alicante **Balearic Islands **Barcelona **Bilbao **Canary Islands **Euskadi **Madrid **Spain **Sevilla **Malaga **Marbella **Valencia **Madrid (Christmas version) **Spain (Christmas version) '''SWEDEN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Gothenburg **Malmo **Stockholm **Sweden *You Are Here Series (2x+2x Christmas) **Stockholm **Sweden **Stockholm (Christmas version) **Sweden (Christmas version) '''SWITZERLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (9x) **Basel **Berne **Geneva **Lausanne **Lucerne **St. Gallen **Switzerland I-Edelweiss (DISCONTINUED) **Switzerland II-Mountain Chalet **Zurich *You Are Here Series (6x+1X Christmas) **Basel **Bern **Geneva **Lucerne **Switzerland **Zurich **Switzerland (Christmas version) '''TAIWAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Kaohsiung (DISCONTINUED) **Taichung (DISCONTINUED) **Tainan (DISCONTINUED) **Taipei (DISCONTINUED) **Taiwan (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (5x+2x Christmas) **Kaohsiung **Taichung **Tainan **Taipei **Taiwan **Taipei (Christmas version) **Taiwan (Christmas version) '''THAILAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Bangkok **Chiangmai **Pattaya **Phuket **Thailand *You Are Here Series (6x+6x small+1x christmas) **Bangkok **Chiangmai **Pattaya **Phuket **Samui **Thailand **Bangkok (small version) **Chiangmai (small version) **Pattaya (small version) **Phuket (small version) **Samui (small version) **Thailand (small version) **Thailand (christmas version) '''TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Trinidad and Tobago '''TURKEY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Ankara **Antalya **Istanbul **Izmir **Turkey *You Are Here Series (7x+3x christmas) **Adana **Ankara **Antalya **Bodrum **Istanbul **Izmir **Turkey **Istanbul (christmas version 1) **Istanbul (christmas version 2) **Turkey (christmas version) '''UNITED ARAB EMIRATES''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **United Arab Emirates **Dubai(DISCONTINUED) **Abu Dhabi **Sharjah (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (6x+1x christmas) **Abu Dhabi **Dubai **Ras Al Khaimah **Sharjah **United Arab Emirates **United Arab Emirates National Day 2019 **United Arab Emirates (Christmas version) '''UNITED STATES of AMERICA''' *2008 Global Icon Series (49x) **Alaska (DISCONTINUED) **Arizona (DISCONTINUED) **Atlanta (DISCONTINUED) **Austin (DISCONTINUED) **Boston (DISCONTINUED) **California (DISCONTINUED) **Charlotte (DISCONTINUED) **Chicago (DISCONTINUED) **Cleveland (DISCONTINUED) **Colorado (DISCONTINUED) **Dallas (DISCONTINUED) **Denver (DISCONTINUED) **Detroit (DISCONTINUED) **Florida (DISCONTINUED) **Fort Worth (DISCONTINUED) **Hamptons (DISCONTINUED) **Hawaii (DISCONTINUED) **Houston (DISCONTINUED) **Indianapolis (DISCONTINUED) **Jacksonville (DISCONTINUED) **Lake Tahoe (DISCONTINUED) **Las Vegas (DISCONTINUED) **Los Angeles (DISCONTINUED) **Memphis (DISCONTINUED) **Miami (DISCONTINUED) **Nashville (DISCONTINUED) **New Mexico (DISCONTINUED) **New Orleans (DISCONTINUED) **New York (DISCONTINUED) **North Carolina (DISCONTINUED) **Ohio (DISCONTINUED) **Orange County (DISCONTINUED) **Orlando (DISCONTINUED) **Philadelphia (DISCONTINUED) **Phoenix (DISCONTINUED) **Pike Place Market (DISCONTINUED) **Pittsburgh (DISCONTINUED) **Portland (DISCONTINUED) **Sacramento (DISCONTINUED) **San Antonio (DISCONTINUED) **San Diego (DISCONTINUED) **San Francisco (DISCONTINUED) **Seattle I -Mt. Rainier (DISCONTINUED) **Seattle II -Ferry boat (DISCONTINUED) **St. Louis (DISCONTINUED) **Tampa (DISCONTINUED) **Twin Cities (DISCONTINUED) **Utah (DISCONTINUED) **Waikiki (DISCONTINUED) **Washington D.C. (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (81x+2x Christmas) **Alaska **Alabama **Arizona **Atlanta **Austin **Aspen **Boston **California **Chicago **Cambridge **Charlotte **Colorado **Dallas **Denver **Detroit **Disneyland (1) **Disneyland (2) **Disneyland (3) **Disneyland (4) **Disney's Animal Kingdom (1) **Disney's Animal Kingdom (2) **Disney California Adventure (1) **Disney California Adventure (2) **Epcot (1) **Epcot (2) **Epcot (3) **Disney's Hollywood Studios (1) **Disney's Hollywood Studios (2) **Disney's Hollywood Studios (3) **Magic Kingdom (1) **Magic Kingdom (2) **Magic Kingdom (3) **Florida **Hawaii **Houston **Indianapolis **Illinois **Kansas City **Kentucky **Lake Tahoe **Las Vegas **Los Angeles **Maryland **Memphis **Miami **Michigan **Nashville **New Jersey **New Mexico **New Orleans **New York **North Carolina **Ohio **Oklahoma **Orange County **Oregon **Orlando **Philadelphia **Phoenix **Pike Place Market **Pittsburgh **Portland **San Antonio **San Diego **San Francisco **Seattle **St. Louis **Tennessee **Texas **The Hamptons **Twin Cities **Universal Hollywood **Universal Orlando **Utah **Vail **Virginia **Waikiki **Washington **Washington D.C. **Wisconsin (1) **Wisconsin (2) **Hawaii (Christmas version) **Pike Place Market (Christmas version) *Been There Series (97x) **Alabama **Alaska **Arizona ***Phoenix **Arkansas **California ***Monterey ***Los Angeles ****Universal Studios Hollywood ***Sacramento ***San Diego ***San Francisco ***Santa Barbara **Colorado ***Denver **Connecticut **Delaware **Florida ***Miami ***Orlando ****Universal Orlando Resort ****Disney’s Magic Kingdom ****Disney’s Animal Kingdom ****Disney’s Epcot ****Disney’s Hollywood Studios ***The Florida Keys ***Tampa Bay **Georgia ***Atlanta ***Savannah **Hawaii ***Maui ***Waikiki **Idaho **Illinois ***Chicago **Indiana **Iowa **Kansas **Kentucky **Louisiana ***New Orleans **Maine **Maryland **Massachusetts ***Boston ***Cambridge **Michigan ***Detroit **Minnesota ***Twin Cities **Mississippi **Missouri ***Kansas City ***St. Louis **Montana **Nebraska **Nevada ***Lake Tahoe ***Las Vegas **New Hampshire **New Jersey **New Mexico **New York ***New York City **North Carolina ***Charlotte **North Dakota **Ohio **Oklahoma **Oregon ***Portland **Pennsylvania ***Philadelphia ***Pittsburgh **Rhode Island **South Carolina **South Dakota **Tennessee ***Memphis ***Nashville **Texas ***Austin ***Dallas ***Houston ***San Antonio **Utah **Vermont **Virginia **Washington ***Seattle ****Pike Place **Washington D.C. **West Virginia **Wisconsin **Wyoming *Discovery Series **Alaska **California ***San Francisco ***Los Angeles **Chicago **Florida **Georgia **Hawaii **Kentucky **Las Vegas **Massachusetts ***Boston ***Cambridge **New Mexico ***Albuquerque **New York ***New York City **North Carolina **Ohio **Oregon **Pennsylvania **Tennessee **Texas ***Austin ***San Antonio ***Dallas **Utah **Virginia **Washington ***Seattle **Washington DC **Hoth (Star Wars) '''URUGUAY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Uruguay '''VIET NAM''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Viet Nam version I (without 2nd country name "Viet Nam" on backside) (DISCONTINUED) **Viet Nam version II (with 2nd country name "Viet Nam" on backside) **Ha Noi **Ho Chi Minh City *You Are Here Series (8x) **Ba Na Hills **Da Nang **Hai Phong **Ha Noi **Ho Chi Minh City **Hoi An **Nha Trang **Viet Nam '''WALES''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Cardiff **Wales *You Are Here Series (2x) **Wales **Caerdydd ==2006 Architecture Series List== *Alaska *Atlanta *Atlantic City *Austin *Boston *Calgary *Canada "Maple Leaf" *Canada "True North" *Charlotte *Chicago *Chicago (mini) *Chicago Holiday(Magnificent Mile) *Cincinnati *Cleveland *Colorado *Columbus *Dallas *Denver *Detroit *Fargo *Fort Lauderdale *Ft. Worth *Fresno *Houston *Indianapolis *Jacksonville *Las Vegas *Las Vegas (mini) *Los Angeles *Los Angeles (mini) *Memphis *Miami *Miami Beach *Montreal *Nashville *New Mexico *New Orleans *New York *New York (mini) *New York Holiday (Rockefeller Center) *Niagara Falls *Orange County *Orlando *Palm Springs *Philadelphia *Phoenix *Pike Place *Pike Place (mini) *Pittsburgh *Portland *Raleigh *Sacramento *San Antonio *San Diego *San Diego (mini) *San Francisco *San Francisco (mini) *San Francisco Holiday(Union Square) *San Jose *Seattle *Seattle (mini) *St. Louis *Starbucks Support Center *Spokane *Tampa *Toronto *Tucson *Twin Cities *Vancouver *Washington D.C. *Washington D.C. (mini) *West Palm Beach *Whistler ==Interesting Notes== *Minneapolis/St.Paul mug 1994 edition sold on eBay for $2,020.00 *North Island mug 2008 Global Icon Series sold on eBay for about $6,000.00 *The original release Colorado architect mug erroneously listed the elevation of Mt. Elbert (one of Colorado's 14k ft. peaks) as 1,441 feet. This was later corrected but you will occasionally run across one of the rare originals with the error. {{BookCat}} 43mmqrouevd8axhkxp00reh0gaj61ba 4639454 4639453 2026-06-09T07:17:41Z ~2026-33991-56 3603704 /* CITY RELIEF MUGS */ 4639454 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Starbucks City Mugs''' are collectible souvenir coffee mugs available from Starbucks coffee stores worldwide. The mugs first appeared on shelves in 1994. ==Styles== Although there is no official classification, the following different styles or editions have been or are being produced. <u>'''City, State, and Country Mugs'''</u> '''1994 Collectors Series:''' The first edition of Starbucks City mugs, available with motifs from all over the world. '''1994 Collectors Series Mini Mugs:''' Demitasse/Espresso size mugs '''1997 States of Bean Mugs:''' Colorful motifs from several U.S. states. '''1998/99 Collage Series:''' Colored Photos with typical images from over 30 American cities and 4 states. '''2002 Skyline Series:''' Display city skylines, typically blue on white. '''2002 Skyline Mini Series:''' Demitasse/espresso size. Display city skylines, typically blue on white. '''2002 Skyline Series Giant Mugs''' Released in a very limited edition to only the highest volume stores and display city skylines similar to the 20 oz counterparts. 'The Skyline Giants' have a 2.5-gallon capacity. '''2002 USA Scenic Series''' Often considered a limited edition, 4-mug extension of the Skyline Series. Displays the American Flag, Mount Rushmore, Statue of Liberty and Iwo Jima Memorial. '''2002 Italian Romance Series:''' Same style as 1994 Collectors Series, sold in US as tribute to Italian coffee culture. '''2004 City Scenes:''' Black-and-white pictures with landmarks from several cities in the United States and Canada. '''2004 Art Deco Style:''' Similar to the 2004 City Scenes, these mugs feature an art deco style and were only released in four U.S. cities. '''2005 Photo Series:''' Unique style motifs from the United Kingdom and Ireland. '''2006 US/Canada Architecture Series:''' City skylines, purple/blue on white, with city facts on the backside of the mug. '''2006 US/Canada Architecture Mini Series''' '''2007 Park Series:''' These mugs feature motifs from several city parks and national parks in the United States and Canada. '''2008 Icon Series:''' These mugs are replacing the original City Mugs all over the World. Started in June 2008 in China (for the Olympic Games), now also spread to other countries all over the world. '''2008 Icon Mini Series:''' Same as the Icon Series, but smaller (3 oz). Not all cities who do have an Icon Mug also have a Mini Mug. '''2013 You Are Here Series:''' The newest series of mugs. In Canada and in the USA these mugs are replacing the 2008 Icon Series. '''2018 Been there Series:''' In Canada and in the USA these mugs are replacing the 2013 You Are Here Series since June 2018. '''2024 Discovery Series:''' The Discovery Series has been available in the USA since April 2024 , and may soon be available in other countries as well, as this series is the  official successor to the popular Been There series. '''<u>Non City Mugs</u>''' '''Japan Series:''' A series of colorful mugs from several Japanese cities as well as one "Japan Country Mug" per year since 2002. '''Asian Artsy Design Mugs:''' These mugs have intricate designs mainly from Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, and the Philippines. '''Coffee Origin Mugs:''' Dedicated to the countries and regions where Starbucks buys coffee beans, including places such as Guatemala and Sulawesi. '''Coffee Blend Mugs:''' Dedicated to various popular coffee blends such as Caffe Verona. '''Christmas Mugs:''' This would be all Christmas/ Hannukah/ Kwanza mugs. '''Miscellaneous Holiday Mugs:''' All other holiday mugs (Easter, Valentine's, Thanksgiving, etc.) '''Holiday Ornaments:''' All of the miniature ornaments that include tiny mugs (not to be confused with the demitasse) '''Starbucks Anniversary Mugs:''' Released to celebrate the inauguration of Starbucks in a country/ city. '''Miscellaneous Mini Mugs:''' Smaller versions of some regular-sized mugs, and a typical size for a single espresso. '''Tasting Cups:''' Two ounce cups that don't have handles '''Other Mugs''' '''<u>Tumblers</u>''' '''Icon Tumblers''' '''Other City Tumblers''' '''Non City Tumblers''' ==CITY RELIEF MUGS== '''NO. OF CITY RELIEF MUG SERIES: 129''' '''AUSTRALIA: (3)''' *Brisbane Green Christmas *Melbourne Green Christmas *Sydney *Sydney Green Christmas '''BOLIVIA: (2)''' *Santa Cruz de la Sierra (2) '''BRUNEI: (1)''' *Brunei '''CHINA: (25)''' *Beijing Blue *Beijing Gold Christmas *Beijing Green Christmas *Changsha Blue *Chengdu Blue *Chengdu Gold Christmas *Chengdu Green Christmas *Chongqing Blue *Dongguan Blue *Guangzhou Blue *Guangzhou Gold Christmas *Guangzhou Green Christmas *Hangzhou Blue *Kunming Blue *Nanjing Blue *Nanning Blue *Ningbo Blue *Qingdao Blue *Shanghai Blue 1 *Shanghai Blue 2 *Shanghai Gold Christmas *Shanghai Red Christmas *Shanghai Green Christmas *Shenzhen Blue *Shenzhen Green Christmas *Suzhou Blue *Tianjin Blue *Wuhan Blue *Xi'an Blue *Xiamen Blue '''CZECH REPUBLIC: (3)''' *Prague *Prague Gold Christmas *Prague Green Christmas '''ENGLAND: (4)''' *London *London Red Christmas *London Gold Christmas *London Green Christmas '''FRANCE: (8)''' *Paris *Paris Red Christmas *Paris Gold Christmas *Paris Green Christmas '''GERMANY: (4)''' *Berlin *Berlin Red Christmas *Berlin Gold Christmas *Berlin Green Christmas '''HONG KONG: (4)''' *Hong Kong *Hong Kong Red Christmas *Hong Kong Gold Christmas *Hong Kong Green Christmas '''MACAU: (2)''' *Macau *Macau Green Christmas '''MALAYSIA: (12)''' *Johor *Kedah *Kuala Lumpur *Kuala Lumpur Gold Christmas *Kuala Lumpur Green Christmas *Malacca *Pahang *Penang *Perak *Sabah *Sarawak *Selangor '''NETHERLANDS: (3)''' *Amsterdam *Amsterdam Gold Christmas *Amsterdam Green Christmas '''NEW ZEALAND: (2)''' *Auckland *Wellington '''PHILIPPINES: (8)''' *Boracay *Cebu *Manila *Manila Green Christmas *Manila Red Christmas *Philippines *Philippines Red Christmas *Philippines Green Christmas '''RUSSIA: (4)''' *Moscow *Moscow Gold Christmas *Moscow Green Christmas *St. Petersburg '''SINGAPORE: (3)''' *Singapore *Singapore Gold Christmas *Singapore Green Christmas '''SOUTH KOREA: (8)''' *Busan *Busan Gold Christmas *Gyeongju *Jeju *Jeju Gold Christmas *Seoul *Seoul Red Christmas *Seoul Gold Christmas '''SPAIN: (2)''' *Barcelona *Madrid '''SWITZERLAND: (1)''' *Zurich Green Christmas '''TAIWAN: (21)''' *Hsinchu *Hsinchu Gold Christmas *Hsinchu Green Christmas *Kaohsiung *Kaohsiung Gold Christmas *Kaohsiung Green Christmas *Taichung *Taichung Gold Christmas *Taichung Green Christmas *Tainan *Tainan Gold Christmas *Tainan Green Christmas *Taipei *Taipei Red Christmas *Taipei Gold Christmas *Taipei Green Christmas *Taiwan *Taiwan Red Christmas *Taiwan Green Christmas *Taoyuan *Taoyuan Green Christmas '''THAILAND: (3)''' *Bangkok *Bangkok Green Christmas *Phuket '''UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: (6)''' *Boston *Los Angeles *New York 1 *New York 2 *San Francisco *Seattle '''''BLACK RELIEF (44)''''' '''''BLUE RELIEF (20)''''' '''''RED RELIEF (8)''''' '''''GOLD RELIEF (21)''''' '''''GREEN RELIEF (28)''''' == Countries & Cities Starbucks Mug Series == '''ANDORRA''' *You Are Here Series (1x) **Andorra '''ARGENTINA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Argentina **Buenos Aires **Mendoza **Rosario '''ARUBA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Aruba '''AUSTRALIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Australia **Brisbane **Gold Coast **Melbourne **Sydney *You Are Here Series (5x) **Australia **Brisbane **Gold Coast **Melbourne **Sydney '''AUSTRIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Austria **Salzburg **Vienna (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (5x+1x Christmas) **Austria **Innsbruck **Salzburg **Vienna **Vienna (2) **Austria (Christmas version) '''AZERBAIJAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Baku '''THE BAHAMAS''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Bahamas '''BAHRAIN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Bahrain -Pearl Monument (DISCONTINUED) **Bahrain -Dhow *You Are Here Series (1x) **Bahrain '''BELGIUM''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (8x) **Antwerp **Belgium **Brugge **Brussels **Gent **Leuven **Liège **Namur *You Are Here Series (5x+1x Christmas) **Antwerp **Belgium **Brugge **Brussels **Ghent **Belgium (Christmas version) '''BOLIVIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Bolivia '''BRAZIL''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Brasil **Rio de Janeiro **São Paulo (NOT AVAILABLE SINCE SEPTEMBER 2015, ONLY SMALL VARIANT) *Been There Series **Brasil **Belo Horizonte **Brasília **Curitiba **Florianópolis **Porto Alegre **Rio de Janeiro **São Paulo '''BRUNEI''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Brunei '''BULGARIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Bulgaria **Sofia *You Are Here Series (1x) **Bulgaria '''CAMBODIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Cambodia *You Are Here Series (4x + 2 small) **Cambodia **Phnom Penh **Phnom Penh small **Siem Reap **Siem Reap small **Sihanoukville '''CANADA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (11x) **Banff (DISCONTINUED) **Calgary (DISCONTINUED) **Canada (DISCONTINUED) **Edmonton (DISCONTINUED) **Montréal (DISCONTINUED) **Niagara Falls (DISCONTINUED) **Quebec (DISCONTINUED) **Toronto (DISCONTINUED) **Vancouver (DISCONTINUED) **Vancouver Island (DISCONTINUED) **Whistler (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (14x) **Banff **Calgary **Canada (1) **Canada (2) **Edmonton **Montréal (1) **Montréal (2) **Niagara Falls **Quebec (1) **Quebec (2) **Toronto **Vancouver **Vancouver Island **Whistler *Been There Series (20x) **Atlantic Canada **Canada **Alberta *** Banff *** Calgary *** Edmonton **British Columbia *** Vancouver *** Vancouver Island **** Victoria *** Whistler **Manitoba *** Winnipeg **Ontario *** Niagara Falls *** Ottawa *** Toronto **Quebec *** Montreal **Saskatchewan '''CHILE''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Chile I- Rapa Nui(DISCONTINUED) **Chile II- *You Are Here Series (NONE) *Been There Series (3x) **Chile **Santiago **Valparaiso '''CHINA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (59x) **Baotou **Beijing **Changchun **Changsha **Chengdu **China **Chongqing **Dalian **Dali City **Dongguan **Foshan **Fuzhou **Guangzhou **Guilin **Guiyang **Haikou **Hangzhou **Harbin **Hefei **Hohhot **HongKong **Huizhou **Jilin **Jinan **Kunming **Lanzhou **Leshan **Lijiang **Liuzhou **Luoyang **Macau **Mianyang **Nanjing **Nanchang **Nanning **Ningbo **Qingdao **Qinhuangdao **Quanzhou **Sanya **Shanghai **Shantou **Shenyang **Shenzhen **Shijiazhuang **Suzhou **Taiyuan **Tianjin **Wuhan **Wuhu **Xi'an **Xiamen **Xiangyang **Xining **Yichang **Yinchuan **Zhengzhou **Zhongshan **Zhuhai *You Are Here Series (77x+2x small+6x Christmas) **Baotou **Beijing **Bengbu **Changchun **Changde **Changsha **Chengdu **Chongqing **Dali **Dalian **Deyang **Dongguan **Foshan **Fuzhou **Ganzhou **Guangzhou **Guilin **Guiyang **Haikou **Hangzhou **Harbin **Hefei **Hengyang **Hohhot **Hong Kong **Hong Kong Disneyland **Huizhou **Hulun Buir **Jilin **Jinan **Jinghong **Jiujiang **Kaifeng **Kunming **Lanzhou **Leshan **Lijiang **Liuzhou **Luoyang **Ma'anshan **Macau **Mianyang **Nanchang **Nanchong **Nanjing **Nanning **Nantong **Ningbo **Puer **Qinhuangdao **Quanzhou **Qujing **Tai'an **Tianjin **Sanya **Shanghai **Shenyang **Shenzhen **Shijiazhuang **Suzhou **Taiyuan **Tsingtao **Wuhan **Wuhu **Wuxi **Xiamen **Xi'an **Xiangyang **Xining **Yantai **Yibin **Yichang **Yueyang **Zhangjiajie **Zhengzhou **Zhuhai **Zhuzhou **Zunyi **Hong Kong (small version) **Macau (small version) **China (Christmas version) **Hangzou (Christmas version) **Hong Kong (Christmas version) **Macau (Christmas version) **Nanjing (Christmas version) **Shanghai (Christmas version) '''COLOMBIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Colombia '''COSTA RICA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Costa Rica '''CROATIA''' (No Starbucks, but 2 Prototype mugs exist) *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Zagreb '''CURAÇAO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Curaçao '''CYPRUS''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Cyprus *You Are Here Series (2x+1x Christmas) **Cyprus **Limassol **Cyprus (Christmas version) '''CZECH REPUBLIC''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Brno **Czech Republic **Ostrava **Prague *You Are Here Series (4x+1x small+3x Christmas) **Czech Republic **Karlovy Vary **Prague (1 Red) (2016.09) **Prague (2 Blue) (2018.01) **Prague (small version) **Czech Republic (Christmas version) **Prague (Christmas version 1) **Prague (Christmas version 2) '''DENMARK''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Aarhus **Copenhagen **Denmark *You Are Here Series (2x) **Copenhagen **Denmark '''EL SALVADOR''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **El Salvador '''EGYPT''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Egypt **Cairo **Sharm El Sheikh (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (1x Christmas) **Egypt (Christmas version) '''ENGLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (9x) **Cambridge **London I -Big Ben and Tower Bridge (DISCONTINUED) **London II-Double Decker Bus **England I-Coat of Arms Seal (DISCONTINUED) **England II-William Shakespeare (DISCONTINUED) **England III-Stonehenge **Liverpool **Manchester **Oxford *You Are Here Series (9x+4x Christmas) **England **Birmingham **Cambridge **London **Newcastle Upon Tyne **Oxford **Manchester **Liverpool **Yorkshire **England (Christmas version) **London (Christmas version 1) **London (Christmas version 2) **London (Christmas glass version) '''FINLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Finland **Helsinki *You Are Here Series (2x) **Finland **Helsinki '''FRANCE''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (8x) **Bordeaux **France **Lille **Lyon **Nice **Marseille **Paris I-Tour Eiffel (DISCONTINUED) **Paris II-Arc de Triomphe (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (32x + 1x Small + 4x Christmas) **Angers **Annecy **Bayonne **Belfort **Bordeaux **Cannes **Colmar **Dijon **Disneyland Paris (1) **Disneyland Paris (2) **Disneyland Paris Avengers Campus **France **Grenoble **Haguenau **Lille **Lyon **Marseille **Metz **Montpellier **Mulhouse **Nancy **Nantes **Nice **Orleans **Parc Walt Disney Studios **Paris **Paris Summer Olympics (2024) **Pau **Reims **Rennes **Rouen **Strasbourg **Toulouse **Paris Ornament (small) **France (Christmas version) **Paris (Christmas version 1) **Paris (Christmas version 2) **Paris (Christmas glass version) '''GERMANY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (40x) **Aachen **Berlin -Baer I (DISCONTINUED) **Berlin -Baer II **Bielefeld **Bonn **Braunschweig **Bremen **Darmstadt **Dresden **Düsseldorf **Frankfurt (am Main) **Freiburg **Germany I-Brandenburg Gate **Germany II-Neuschwanstein Castle **Hamburg **Hannover **Heidelberg **Karlsruhe **Karneval I (2015 DISCONTINUED) **Karneval II (2016) **Kassel **Kiel **Köln **Leipzig **Mainz **Mannheim **München **Münster **Nürnberg **Oktoberfest I-Pretzel (2011 DISCONTINUED) **Oktoberfest II-Gingerbread heart (2014 DISCONTINUED) **Oktoberfest III-Dirndl and Lederhosen (2015 DISCONTINUED) **Oktoberfest IV- Giant Wheel & Krinoline (2016 DISCONTINUED) **Oktoberfest V- (2017) **Osnabrück **Potsdam **Ruhrgebiet **Saarbrücken **Spangdahlem **Stuttgart **Wiesbaden *You Are Here Series (19x+1x small+3x Christmas) **Augsburg **Berlin **Bremen **Dresden **Düsseldorf **Frankfurt **Germany **Germany Ornament (small) **Hamburg **Heidelberg **Köln **Leipzig **Metzingen **München **Oktoberfest (2019) **Oktoberfest (2023) **Nürnberg **Ramstein **Stuttgart **Wolfsburg **Berlin (Christmas version 1) **Berlin (Christmas version 2) **Germany (Christmas version) '''GREECE''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (7x) **Athens **Corfu (DISCONTINUED) **Crete **Greece **Mykonos **Rhodes **Thessaloniki *You Are Here Series (7x+1x Christmas) **Athens **Corfu **Crete **Greece **Mykonos **Rhodes **Thessaloniki **Greece (Christmas version) '''GUATEMALA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Antigua **Guatemala '''HUNGARY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Hungary **Budapest *You Are Here Series (3x+1x Christmas) **Hungary **Budapest (1 Yellow) (2016.11) **Budapest (2 Blue) (2018.01) **Hungary (Christmas version) '''INDONESIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Bali **Indonesia **Jakarta '''INDIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **India *You Are Here Series (2x) **Mumbai **New Delhi '''IRELAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Ireland **Dublin *You Are Here Series (2x+1x Christmas) **Ireland **Dublin **Ireland (Christmas version) '''ITALY''' *You Are Here Series (7x+1x Christmas) **Italy **Bergamo **Florence **Milan **Rome **Turin **Verona **Italy (Christmas version) '''JAPAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Osaka (DISCONTINUED) **Sapporo (DISCONTINUED) **Tokyo (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (6x) **Japan **Japan (Winter edition) **Japan (Spring edition) **Japan (Summer edition) **Japan (Fall edition) **Tokyo '''JORDAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Jordan *You Are Here Series (1x) **Jordan '''KAZAKHSTAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Kazakhstan *You Are Here Series (1x) **Astana '''KUWAIT''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Kuwait *You Are Here Series (2x) **Kuwait **Kuwait National Day 2020 '''LEBANON''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Lebanon *You Are Here Series (1x+1x Christmas) **Lebanon **Lebanon (Christmas version) '''LUXEMBOURG''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Luxembourg *You Are Here Series (1x+1x Christmas) **Luxembourg **Luxembourg (Christmas version) '''MALAYSIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (6x) **Kuala Lumpur I (DISCONTINUED) **Kuala Lumpur II **Malaysia I (DISCONTINUED) **Malaysia II **Penang (DISCONTINUED) **Sabah (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (4x) **Cameron Highlands **Genting Highland **Kuching **Langkawi '''MALTA''' * You Are Here Series (1x+1x Christmas) ** Malta ** Malta (Christmas version) '''MEXICO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (30x) **Acapulco **Cancun I -Playa Caracol (DISCONTINUED) **Cancun II **Chihuahua -Angel de la Libertad (DISCONTINUED) **Ciudad de Mexico **Cozumel **Culiacán -Torre del Reloj (DISCONTINUED) **Guadalajara -Minerva Statue (DISCONTINUED) **Guadalajara II **Guanajuato I -Teatro Juarez (DISCONTINUED) **Guanajuato II **Ensenada -Grey Whale's Tail **Leon **Los Cabos I (yellow) (DISCONTINUED) **Los Cabos II **Mérida **Mexico **Monterrey -Fountain of Life (DISCONTINUED) **Monterrey **Morelia **Playa del Carmen **Puebla **Puerto Vallarta I -Malecon Seahorse (DISCONTINUED) **Puerto Vallarta II **Querétaro **San Miguel de Allende **Tulum **Veracruz **Villahermosa **Zacatecas -El Cubo Aqueduct (DISCONTINUED) '''MONACO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Monaco *You Are Here Series (2x) ** Monaco '''MOROCCO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Morocco *You Are Here Series (4x) **Casablanca **Marrakech **Morocco **Rabat '''THE NETHERLANDS''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (12x) **Amsterdam I-Brouwersgracht (DISCONTINUED) **Amsterdam II-Rijksmuseum **Arnhem **Hilversum **Netherlands **Nijmegen I (DISCONTINUED) **Nijmegen II (correct bridge) **Den Haag **Utrecht **Leiden **Groningen **Rotterdam *You Are Here Series (8x+3x Christmas) **Amsterdam **Den Haag **Eindhoven **Netherlands **Roermond **Rotterdam **Schiphol **Utrecht **Amsterdam (Christmas version) **Amsterdam (Christmas glass version) **Netherlands (Christmas version) '''NEW ZEALAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **New Zealand **Auckland **North Island (no longer available since Dec.2010 // only as mini) **South Island (no longer available since Dec.2010 // only as mini) **Wellington *You Are Here Series (1x) **Queenstown '''NORTHERN IRELAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Belfast **Northern Ireland *You Are Here Series (2x) **Belfast **Northern Ireland '''NORWAY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Bergen **Norway **Oslo **Stavanger **Trondheim *You Are Here Series (5x) **Bergen **Kristiansand **Lillehammer **Norway **Oslo **Stavanger **Trondheim '''OMAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Oman *You Are Here Series (1x) **Oman '''PANAMA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Panamà '''PERU''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Arequipa **Cusco **Lima **Peru '''PHILIPPINES''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (20x) **Bacolod **Baguio (DISCONTINUED) **Baguio II **Batangas **Boracay (DISCONTINUED) **Boracay II **Cagayan De Oro **Cebu (DISCONTINUED) **Cebu II **Davao **General Santos City **Iloilo **Makati **Manila~Jeepney (DISCONTINUED) **Manila II~Kalesa **Naga **Pampanga **Philippines (DISCONTINUED) **Philippines II~Waling Waling **Tagaytay *You Are Here Series (15x+9x Christmas) **Baguio **Boracay **Davao **Cebu **Makati **Manila **Philippines **Quezon City **Tagaytay **Pampanga **Iloilo **Cagayan de Oro **Bulacan **Batangas **Bacolod **Cebu (Christmas version 1) **Cebu (Christmas version 2) **Cebu (Christmas version 3) **Manila (Christmas version 1) **Manila (Christmas version 2) **Manila (Christmas version 3) **Philippines (Christmas version 1) **Philippines (Christmas version 2) **Philippines (Christmas version 3) *Been there Series **Bacolod **Baguio **Batangas **Boracay **Bulacan **Cagayan De Oro **Cavite **Cebu **Davao **Iloilo **Laguna **Manila **Makati **Pampanga **Philippines **Quezon City **Tagaytay '''POLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (10x) **Gdansk **Gdynia **Katowice **Kraków **Lodz **Poland **Poznan **Szczcecin **Warsaw **Wroclaw *You Are Here Series (7x+1x Christmas) **Gdansk **Krakow **Poland **Poznan **Szczecin **Warsaw **Wroclaw **Poland (Christmas version) '''PORTUGAL''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Lisboa **Lisbon (DISCONTINUED) **Portugal-Carrack (NO cross on sail) version 1 (DISCONTINUED) **Portugal-Carrack (WITH cross on sail) version 2 *You Are Here Series (3x+1x Christmas) **Lisboa **Porto **Portugal **Portugal (Christmas version) '''PUERTO RICO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Puerto Rico '''QATAR''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Qatar I -Aspire Tower (DISCONTINUED) **Qatar II -Arabian Oryx *You Are Here Series (1x) **Qatar '''ROMANIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Romania **Bucharest **Cluj-Napoca *You Are Here Series (2x+1x Christmas) **Bucharest **Romania **Romania (Christmas version) '''RUSSIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (15x) **Kazan **Krasnodar I (DISCONTINUED) **Krasnodar II **Moscow **Novosibirsk (store not opened yet) **Rostov-on-Don **Russia **Samara **Sochi I (DISCONTINUED) **Sochi II **St. Petersburg I (DISCONTINUED) **St. Petersburg II **Tyumen **Yekaterinburg **Yaroslavl *You Are Here Series (3x+2x Christmas) **Moscow **Russia **St. Petersburg **Moscow (Christmas version 1) **Moscow (Christmas version 2) '''SAUDI ARABIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Jeddah **Riyadh **Kingdom of Saudi Arabia *You Are Here Series (3x) **Jeddah **Kingdom of Saudi Arabia **Riyadh '''SCOTLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (3x) **Edinburgh **Glasgow **Scotland *You Are Here Series (5x+1x Christmas) **Aberdeen **Edinburgh **Glasgow **Scotland **St Andrews **Scotland (Christmas version) '''SERBIA''' * You Are Here Series (2x) ** Serbia ** Београд '''SINGAPORE''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Singapore -Merlion-brown (DISCONTINUED) **Singapore -Orchid-blue (DISCONTINUED) **Singapore -Merlion-red (DISCONTINUED) **Singapore -Raffles-orange (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (2x+1x Christmas) **Singapore (1) **Singapore (2) **Singapore (Christmas version) '''SLOVAKIA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Bratislava **Slovakia *You Are Here Series (2x0 **Bratislava **Slovakia '''SOUTH AFRICA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **South Africa *You Are Here Series (5x) **Cape Town **Durban **Johannesburg **Pretoria **South Africa '''SOUTH KOREA''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Korea(DISCONTINUED) **Seoul(DISCONTINUED) '''SPAIN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (10x) **Alicante **Barcelona (DISCONTINUED) **Bilbao **Madrid (DISCONTINUED) **Málaga **Mallorca **Sevilla (Spanish, latest) **Seville (English, previous) **Spain **Valencia *You Are Here Series (12x+2x Christmas) **Alicante **Balearic Islands **Barcelona **Bilbao **Canary Islands **Euskadi **Madrid **Spain **Sevilla **Malaga **Marbella **Valencia **Madrid (Christmas version) **Spain (Christmas version) '''SWEDEN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Gothenburg **Malmo **Stockholm **Sweden *You Are Here Series (2x+2x Christmas) **Stockholm **Sweden **Stockholm (Christmas version) **Sweden (Christmas version) '''SWITZERLAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (9x) **Basel **Berne **Geneva **Lausanne **Lucerne **St. Gallen **Switzerland I-Edelweiss (DISCONTINUED) **Switzerland II-Mountain Chalet **Zurich *You Are Here Series (6x+1X Christmas) **Basel **Bern **Geneva **Lucerne **Switzerland **Zurich **Switzerland (Christmas version) '''TAIWAN''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Kaohsiung (DISCONTINUED) **Taichung (DISCONTINUED) **Tainan (DISCONTINUED) **Taipei (DISCONTINUED) **Taiwan (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (5x+2x Christmas) **Kaohsiung **Taichung **Tainan **Taipei **Taiwan **Taipei (Christmas version) **Taiwan (Christmas version) '''THAILAND''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Bangkok **Chiangmai **Pattaya **Phuket **Thailand *You Are Here Series (6x+6x small+1x christmas) **Bangkok **Chiangmai **Pattaya **Phuket **Samui **Thailand **Bangkok (small version) **Chiangmai (small version) **Pattaya (small version) **Phuket (small version) **Samui (small version) **Thailand (small version) **Thailand (christmas version) '''TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Trinidad and Tobago '''TURKEY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (5x) **Ankara **Antalya **Istanbul **Izmir **Turkey *You Are Here Series (7x+3x christmas) **Adana **Ankara **Antalya **Bodrum **Istanbul **Izmir **Turkey **Istanbul (christmas version 1) **Istanbul (christmas version 2) **Turkey (christmas version) '''UNITED ARAB EMIRATES''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **United Arab Emirates **Dubai(DISCONTINUED) **Abu Dhabi **Sharjah (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (6x+1x christmas) **Abu Dhabi **Dubai **Ras Al Khaimah **Sharjah **United Arab Emirates **United Arab Emirates National Day 2019 **United Arab Emirates (Christmas version) '''UNITED STATES of AMERICA''' *2008 Global Icon Series (49x) **Alaska (DISCONTINUED) **Arizona (DISCONTINUED) **Atlanta (DISCONTINUED) **Austin (DISCONTINUED) **Boston (DISCONTINUED) **California (DISCONTINUED) **Charlotte (DISCONTINUED) **Chicago (DISCONTINUED) **Cleveland (DISCONTINUED) **Colorado (DISCONTINUED) **Dallas (DISCONTINUED) **Denver (DISCONTINUED) **Detroit (DISCONTINUED) **Florida (DISCONTINUED) **Fort Worth (DISCONTINUED) **Hamptons (DISCONTINUED) **Hawaii (DISCONTINUED) **Houston (DISCONTINUED) **Indianapolis (DISCONTINUED) **Jacksonville (DISCONTINUED) **Lake Tahoe (DISCONTINUED) **Las Vegas (DISCONTINUED) **Los Angeles (DISCONTINUED) **Memphis (DISCONTINUED) **Miami (DISCONTINUED) **Nashville (DISCONTINUED) **New Mexico (DISCONTINUED) **New Orleans (DISCONTINUED) **New York (DISCONTINUED) **North Carolina (DISCONTINUED) **Ohio (DISCONTINUED) **Orange County (DISCONTINUED) **Orlando (DISCONTINUED) **Philadelphia (DISCONTINUED) **Phoenix (DISCONTINUED) **Pike Place Market (DISCONTINUED) **Pittsburgh (DISCONTINUED) **Portland (DISCONTINUED) **Sacramento (DISCONTINUED) **San Antonio (DISCONTINUED) **San Diego (DISCONTINUED) **San Francisco (DISCONTINUED) **Seattle I -Mt. Rainier (DISCONTINUED) **Seattle II -Ferry boat (DISCONTINUED) **St. Louis (DISCONTINUED) **Tampa (DISCONTINUED) **Twin Cities (DISCONTINUED) **Utah (DISCONTINUED) **Waikiki (DISCONTINUED) **Washington D.C. (DISCONTINUED) *You Are Here Series (81x+2x Christmas) **Alaska **Alabama **Arizona **Atlanta **Austin **Aspen **Boston **California **Chicago **Cambridge **Charlotte **Colorado **Dallas **Denver **Detroit **Disneyland (1) **Disneyland (2) **Disneyland (3) **Disneyland (4) **Disney's Animal Kingdom (1) **Disney's Animal Kingdom (2) **Disney California Adventure (1) **Disney California Adventure (2) **Epcot (1) **Epcot (2) **Epcot (3) **Disney's Hollywood Studios (1) **Disney's Hollywood Studios (2) **Disney's Hollywood Studios (3) **Magic Kingdom (1) **Magic Kingdom (2) **Magic Kingdom (3) **Florida **Hawaii **Houston **Indianapolis **Illinois **Kansas City **Kentucky **Lake Tahoe **Las Vegas **Los Angeles **Maryland **Memphis **Miami **Michigan **Nashville **New Jersey **New Mexico **New Orleans **New York **North Carolina **Ohio **Oklahoma **Orange County **Oregon **Orlando **Philadelphia **Phoenix **Pike Place Market **Pittsburgh **Portland **San Antonio **San Diego **San Francisco **Seattle **St. Louis **Tennessee **Texas **The Hamptons **Twin Cities **Universal Hollywood **Universal Orlando **Utah **Vail **Virginia **Waikiki **Washington **Washington D.C. **Wisconsin (1) **Wisconsin (2) **Hawaii (Christmas version) **Pike Place Market (Christmas version) *Been There Series (97x) **Alabama **Alaska **Arizona ***Phoenix **Arkansas **California ***Monterey ***Los Angeles ****Universal Studios Hollywood ***Sacramento ***San Diego ***San Francisco ***Santa Barbara **Colorado ***Denver **Connecticut **Delaware **Florida ***Miami ***Orlando ****Universal Orlando Resort ****Disney’s Magic Kingdom ****Disney’s Animal Kingdom ****Disney’s Epcot ****Disney’s Hollywood Studios ***The Florida Keys ***Tampa Bay **Georgia ***Atlanta ***Savannah **Hawaii ***Maui ***Waikiki **Idaho **Illinois ***Chicago **Indiana **Iowa **Kansas **Kentucky **Louisiana ***New Orleans **Maine **Maryland **Massachusetts ***Boston ***Cambridge **Michigan ***Detroit **Minnesota ***Twin Cities **Mississippi **Missouri ***Kansas City ***St. Louis **Montana **Nebraska **Nevada ***Lake Tahoe ***Las Vegas **New Hampshire **New Jersey **New Mexico **New York ***New York City **North Carolina ***Charlotte **North Dakota **Ohio **Oklahoma **Oregon ***Portland **Pennsylvania ***Philadelphia ***Pittsburgh **Rhode Island **South Carolina **South Dakota **Tennessee ***Memphis ***Nashville **Texas ***Austin ***Dallas ***Houston ***San Antonio **Utah **Vermont **Virginia **Washington ***Seattle ****Pike Place **Washington D.C. **West Virginia **Wisconsin **Wyoming *Discovery Series **Alaska **California ***San Francisco ***Los Angeles **Chicago **Florida **Georgia **Hawaii **Kentucky **Las Vegas **Massachusetts ***Boston ***Cambridge **New Mexico ***Albuquerque **New York ***New York City **North Carolina **Ohio **Oregon **Pennsylvania **Tennessee **Texas ***Austin ***San Antonio ***Dallas **Utah **Virginia **Washington ***Seattle **Washington DC **Hoth (Star Wars) '''URUGUAY''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (1x) **Uruguay '''VIET NAM''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (4x) **Viet Nam version I (without 2nd country name "Viet Nam" on backside) (DISCONTINUED) **Viet Nam version II (with 2nd country name "Viet Nam" on backside) **Ha Noi **Ho Chi Minh City *You Are Here Series (8x) **Ba Na Hills **Da Nang **Hai Phong **Ha Noi **Ho Chi Minh City **Hoi An **Nha Trang **Viet Nam '''WALES''' *New '08 Global Icon Series (2x) **Cardiff **Wales *You Are Here Series (2x) **Wales **Caerdydd ==2006 Architecture Series List== *Alaska *Atlanta *Atlantic City *Austin *Boston *Calgary *Canada "Maple Leaf" *Canada "True North" *Charlotte *Chicago *Chicago (mini) *Chicago Holiday(Magnificent Mile) *Cincinnati *Cleveland *Colorado *Columbus *Dallas *Denver *Detroit *Fargo *Fort Lauderdale *Ft. Worth *Fresno *Houston *Indianapolis *Jacksonville *Las Vegas *Las Vegas (mini) *Los Angeles *Los Angeles (mini) *Memphis *Miami *Miami Beach *Montreal *Nashville *New Mexico *New Orleans *New York *New York (mini) *New York Holiday (Rockefeller Center) *Niagara Falls *Orange County *Orlando *Palm Springs *Philadelphia *Phoenix *Pike Place *Pike Place (mini) *Pittsburgh *Portland *Raleigh *Sacramento *San Antonio *San Diego *San Diego (mini) *San Francisco *San Francisco (mini) *San Francisco Holiday(Union Square) *San Jose *Seattle *Seattle (mini) *St. Louis *Starbucks Support Center *Spokane *Tampa *Toronto *Tucson *Twin Cities *Vancouver *Washington D.C. *Washington D.C. (mini) *West Palm Beach *Whistler ==Interesting Notes== *Minneapolis/St.Paul mug 1994 edition sold on eBay for $2,020.00 *North Island mug 2008 Global Icon Series sold on eBay for about $6,000.00 *The original release Colorado architect mug erroneously listed the elevation of Mt. Elbert (one of Colorado's 14k ft. peaks) as 1,441 feet. This was later corrected but you will occasionally run across one of the rare originals with the error. {{BookCat}} 5k2ocug6gflx2j1igmvvahbd6jgh79e 0 226251 4639368 3453438 2026-06-08T17:39:30Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639368 wikitext text/x-wiki '''<span style="color:blue">GLOBAL ISSUES: AUSTRIA & CZECH REPUBLIC</span>''' This textbook, ''Global Issues: Austria & Czech Republic,'' is initiated as a collaborative writing project for a Webster University study tour course in Summer 2010. :[[/Preface|Preface]] #[[/Introduction|Global Issues and Global Citizenship in Austria & Czech Republic]] #[[/Sustainable Development |Sustainable Development / Environmental Degradation]] #[[/Discrimination & Racism |Discrimination and Racism ]] #[[/Poverty |Poverty and Homelessness ]] #[[/Migration |Migration, Immigration and Human Trafficking ]] #[[/Politics of Oil |The Politics of OIl ]] #[[/Case Reports |Case Reports]] #:a. 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[[/Case Reports/I Spy Returns|Global Issues in TV Movie: ''I Spy Returns'' (1994)]] {{Shelves|Webster University projects}} {{Alphabetical|G}} {{status|50%}} el8tcw5t163gemi797ew0x1d22xk22b 110 227191 4639441 4510520 2026-06-08T23:20:24Z CommonsDelinker 49843 Replacing Hellenic_pond_turtle_(Emys_orbicularis_hellenica)_Butrint.jpg with [[File:Balkan_pond_turtle_(Mauremys_rivulata)_Butrint.jpg]] (by [[:c:User:CommonsDelinker|CommonsDelinker]] because: [[:c:COM:FR|File renamed]]: id error). 4639441 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude> __NOTOC__ {{navigate|Prev=Frontpage|Next= Creatures}} </noinclude> == Introduction == '''Biology''' is the study of life. It helps us understand many things, such as how our body works, how our body keeps warm, and what we are made of. Biology is very important to know. Some things we can learn about in biology are ''genetics'' (the study of human traits), ''zoology'' (the study of animals), ''botany'' (the study of plants), and ''ecology'' (the study of relationships between all living things). Someone who studies biology is called a ''biologist''. <gallery> Image:Human female metaphase chromosomes.tif|thumb|genetics Image:Begegnung-01.jpg|thumb|zoology Image: Pachycereus pringlei forest.jpg |thumb|botany Image:Sunrise_over_Veterans_Park_2420.jpg|thumb|ecology </gallery> ==What is life?== Living things are different from things that are not alive. It is usually easy to tell what is living and what is not, but it is sometimes hard to tell, like with very small organisms. Here are some properties of living things. You might notice that some non-living things can also have some of these properties. *'''Living things can change and grow.''' However, volcanoes can also change and grow when they erupt. *'''Living things can move.''' However, the wind is moving air, and water always moves downhill. **Just like animals, even plants can move. They can grow, and sometimes move more rapidly than that, in response to things such as the sun or water. One example is that sunflowers will naturally turn during the course of the day so that they are always facing the sun. Similarly, another example is that if a plant gets tipped over, it will want to turn upwards to face the sun. *'''Living things can reproduce,''' which means that they can produce copies of themselves, over and over. This is the most important difference between living and non-living things. **In order to reproduce, living things need nutrition, which are nutrients and energy sources in order to assemble the materials needed to reproduce themselves. In this process, living things must excrete waste. Waste is material which is of no use to living things, or in some cases, material that can be harmful. Animals, bacteria, and plants are examples of living things. Rivers, mountains, oceans, and soil are examples of non-living things, but they are often homes for living things. Cars and tables are also not living things, because they cannot reproduce themselves. <gallery> Image:The_freshwater_alga_Spirogyra.jpg|thumb|Freshwater Alga Image:Viburnum_opulus_fruits_close-up_-_Keila.jpg|thumb|Berry Image:Anax imperator 2015 11 23 6807.jpg|thumb|Dragon-fly Image:Uitrollend blad van een Polystichum setiferum. 19-04-2023. (d.j.b) 01.jpg|thumb|Fern Image:Balkan pond turtle (Mauremys rivulata) Butrint.jpg|thumb|Turtle Image:Iceland Poppy Papaver nudicaule 'Champagne Bubbles' Orange Center.jpg|thumb|Bloom </gallery> == Levels of life== Living things can be of many different sizes. Size is very important in biology, since biologists organize the structures and groupings of living creatures according to size. A living creature is called an organism. Organisms can consist of single cells or multiple different types of cells grouped into tissues and organs. From smallest to largest, these are how living things are grouped: ;[[{{BOOKNAME}}/Cells|Cells]] :Most cells are only a few microns wide, and are so small that they can only be seen with a microscope. A micron is one thousandth of a millimeter. ;[[{{BOOKNAME}}/Tissues|Tissues]] :Tissues are groups of similar cells that are all doing similar things, like a muscle, which pulls things together. ;[[{{BOOKNAME}}/Organs|Organs]] :Organs are made of lots of tissues. They all have a special function, like the heart, which pumps blood. ;[[{{BOOKNAME}}/Systems|Organ systems]] :Organ systems are groups of organs which work together to do something. For example, all the organs which digest your food make up the digestive system. ;Organisms :An organism is a whole living thing, like you, or a tree. ;Populations :A population is a group of organisms which are all the same species and live together. ;Communities :A community is a group of populations of different species, which live together; for example, all the fish in a lake. ;Ecosystems :All the communities of organisms in an area, and the way they interact with non-living things like rivers or the weather in that area, form an ecosystem. ;Biomes :A biome is a large region of Earth that has a certain climate and certain types of living things. Major biomes include tundra, forests, grasslands, and deserts. ;Biosphere :The biosphere is the whole network of living things on planet Earth &mdash; eight thousand miles in diameter, twenty five thousand miles around the equator. Everything in this list is made up of the things above it. For example, communities are made of many populations and populations are made up of many organisms. {| align="center" width="400" |align="center"|[[Image:View-Planet-Earth-lunar-horizon-spacecraft-farside-December-1968.webp|center|400px| ]] |- |The earth, our home, our biotope in space. |} <noinclude> {{navigate|Prev=Frontpage|Next= Creatures}} </noinclude> {{BookCat}} q1czdpxphiopjaao29shsfna3zyx5ls 4 229918 4639387 4624678 2026-06-08T18:02:57Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639387 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == How can I use HotCat in Wikibooks == I've checked; apparently it's not in the gadgets part of my preferences. Do I need to apply for a right for it? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC) : HotCat isn't an enabled gadget here. I think HotCat would need to be heavily modified to make sense. Basically a HotCat gadget for Wikibooks would need to restrict suggestions for pages in a book to categories beginning with the book name, filter out all book categories and book subcategories for book's main page, and be able to suggest the right category name in border cases where there are two categories because there is a subject and a book by the same name. I think there is more involved in categorizing things here that isn't going to be easy to automate with HotCat, and I think using HotCat as is will harm any attempt to have a consistent and usable category system. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</font>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC) :<small>(I'm not suggesting that this is a good idea, but it is possible to use HotCat in its WP form from WB by adding the following to [[Special:MyPage/monobook.js]]:</small> importScript('User:TheDJ/Gadget-HotCat.js', 'en.wikipedia.org'); :--[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 18:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC) == rules of management == i'd like to know about a rule in management called (let them do mistakes) :You can read the books from [[Subject:Management|here]] to find out. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC) == contributions highlited in yellow == Hi. I am new to Wikibooks so forgive me if this question occurs a lot and/or is stupid. I have been contributing a lot to [[General Chemistry]], specifically the section entitled 'Electrochemistry'. My edits on that section of the Wikibook are displayed after I save my changes. However, when I click on 'my contributions', I notice that those edits have a light yellow background ([[Special:Contributions/Backward]]). What does this mean? --[[User:Backward|<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px;">&nbsp;back</span>]][[User talk:Backward|<span style="background:darkgreen;color:white;padding:2px;">ward&nbsp;</span>]] 19:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC) :I appears as a light pink for me, but that indicates that your edits have not yet been [[Help:Revision review|reviewed]]. Given that most pages haven't had any revisions to them reviewed at all, everyone's edits will have the tint in both the page history and in their contribution history. Notice that it doesn't show up for the talk, Wikibooks, or user namespaces, as flagged revisions (as the system is called) is not turned on for those. After you make enough edits here, you will automatically gain the "editor" flag and be able to review both your own and others' revisions to a page, mostly to combat vandalism. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 19:19, 5 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks a lot for the in-depth and quick response. Yeah, it is more of a light pink than yellow. I couldn't pinpoint the color :) --[[User:Backward|<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px;">&nbsp;back</span>]][[User talk:Backward|<span style="background:darkgreen;color:white;padding:2px;">ward&nbsp;</span>]] 19:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC) :::(Funny, to me that colour is more like a shade of orange :) --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 18:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC) ) ::::My hypothesis is that it's yellow for regular users, orange for "editors", and pink for "reviewers". We'd need a larger sample size to test this. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 18:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :::::For me, it's anywhere from a strong orange to a very washed-out pink depending on the angle from which I'm viewing my LCD display. :-) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == Subgum Stir Fry Recipe Help Needed == Hi guys, I have a recipe question. I have a generic recipe that is based off what I believe is a unknown copyrighted source. The measurements are most likely different and the recipe is generic and different ingredients can be used. For example, the recipe calls for vegetables but those vegetables can be a ton of things. In my recipe, I use onions, broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots. Other vegetables can be used and I will include that in my recipe. Please let me know if I can post the recipe or not. Thanks. --[[User:Mattwj2002|Mattwj2002]] ([[User talk:Mattwj2002|talk]]) 05:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :If it is your own version of a recipe, then you can include it. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 16:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == Merge RfU into RfD? == It hasn't got any action for ages, so I think it's best to keep them both in a single page. On that bar on to the '[[WB:RFD|Deletion]] | [[WB:RFU|Undeletion]]' can be changed to '[[WB:RFD|Deletion]] | [[WB:RFD#U|Undeletion]]'. Thoughts? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC) : Although RFU is very lightly used, RFD is fairly heavily used &mdash; and because of that heavy use, I'm inclined to oppose complicating the currently very simple TOC structure of [[WB:RFD]]. If the two pages were to be combined, I'd hope it would be done in a way that didn't complicate the TOC structure. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC) ::The only way it could be done would be like [[Wikibooks:Featured books/Nominations]], with the more-active deletion section at the bottom, so when people click the "new section" button, it defaults to the bottom of the "for deletion" section. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC) :::I think Adrignola's idea is great. I think the TOC won't be much affected. After all, the RfUs don't really get much attention so one would focus on the top part. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC) ::::On consideration, I support this idea. Put the active section RFD at the bottom, and the seldom-used section RFU above. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :::::[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == A thought experiment == Suppose that we had [[w:Jostein Gaarder|User:Josteingaarder]] as a member of Wikibooks. Should he attempt to write [[w:Sophie's World|Sophie's World]] here, would we accept it as being within project scope? (P.S.: 1. Since this isn't a realistic scenario anyway, focus on the supporting arguments instead of just on the final answer. 2. In case you didn't read the book you may find skipping the spoilers/plot summary a good idea...) --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 14:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC) :[[WB:WIW#Wikibooks_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_text_repository|What is Wikibooks?]] states very succinctly that "Wikibooks does not allow original works of fiction or literature". -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 16:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::I am not trying to cast into doubt the worth of that policy (or even to claim that having that sort of book would be a good idea), but rather promote reflection on the rationales behind it - or, in other words, expand on the "very succinctly". For instance, a possible (if not necessarily valid) counter-argument in this case would be that the fictional elements in Sophie's World are to a large extent a didactic tool meant to support what is in essence a historical overview of philosophy. In fact, it is quite reasonable to use the chapters of the book as if they were part of an introductory philosophy textbook (assuming that you have gone through the whole book at least once, so that you don't get too distracted by the fictional elements). In fact, the book even has a back-of-the-book index to facilitate such usage. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 00:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::A common statement I've heard made for content at Wikibooks is that if something could feasibly be a textbook for teaching a class on a subject, then it can belong here. The recent targeting of books in the religion, philosophy, and self improvement categories highlight some of the more vulnerable areas here. While Wikibooks may not be as stringent on citations and references, at least the appearance of reliability is desired. Fiction is not verifiable. :::From my standpoint, for such a book as that described above to work in teaching philosophy, narratives illustrating various points would need to be made to be sidebars or separated from the rest of the text (italics, a box, etc.). Fictional accounts to illustrate a point would not be unheard of in a textbook; one I'm studying from right now has scenarios made up to demonstrate concepts. But like my textbook, a book based off Sophie's World could not be primarily fiction. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 00:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC) ::::While "no original research" is one of the big, loud principles of this project, I think there is also another subtler, complementary meta-principle at work behind the scenes in this case. Wikibooks aspires to '''collaborative substance''' &mdash; not just superficial things like spelling corrections and wiki markup and such. If the material is ''inherently'' driven by a primary author, then something is out of balance. This meta-principle can be sensed, I think, beneath the surface of several items in [[WB:NOT]], never perhaps as the primary motivation of any one item, but contributing to the unity of the whole nonetheless. It's my understanding that collaborative fiction efforts in recent years always involve a moderator of some sort, because wide-open collaborative fiction was tried in the earlier years of the Internet and failed to produce coherence (though I seem to recall some of it was pretty funny). So fiction implies a centralized model of authoring; and while NOR may be the most obvious force behind the prohibition against works of fiction, collaborative substance has its place in the rhyming scheme of the policy, too. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::::I don't clearly understand the level of emphasis you are putting in "Wikibooks aspires to '''collaborative substance'''". But by the rest of the post, I take that you feel that it is a bad thing/objectionable for (in general) a project on Wikibooks to be driven by a primary author (or evolve in a any type of hierarchical structure). Because you see it as an indication of lack of collaboration. :::::I think that this extreme view is erroneous in several ways and can lead into misunderstanding if promoted to the community. I clearly understand the issues regarding control and establishing hierarchies and mostly object to any move to establish them, having said that, we must also realize that such things work in degrees and aren't absolute terms, there are spheres of interests that are in themselves of reduced participation. We already have some hierarchies on Workbooks and we already exert some levels of control, the real issue it only in keeping the two apart and enforce consensus. :::::In the first place "aspires to" doesn't create an obligation and most importantly, collaboration can't be enforced on a volunteer basis. This should be obvious to all (but taking in consideration past discussion it isn't) :::::Collaboration should be promoted at all times and refusal to enable the participation of others should be meet harsh criticism if not part of already established rules. But collaboration is a lower priority, we could even say a byproduct of the system. Considering the requirements and particularities of Wikibooks, the history of the project, Wikibooks is after Wikisource one of the projects less dependent on collaboration, nor is this bad or good, it just is. :::::Promoting collaboration as a goal is fine but as a requirement is just false, we have ample profs of it. We could even argue that too much collaboration can become interference and has been a cause problems but that is another discussion. I just wanted to offer a counterbalance the above post. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::Aspirations do not a policy make. Verily. But recognition of aspirations can be enlightening. And yes, I too have noticed how easily people can fail to notice that they're trying to mandate volunteerism. My intent was to focus not on arrangements that happen to occur in a book, but those that are '''inherent''' in the nature of the book. ::::::If I write a travelogue about my experiences in hiking across the Andes, then it's ''inherent'' in the premise of the book that only I can determine valid substance for it, though someone else might help with mechanics and formatting. That one's called "original research", and probably belongs on a blog. ::::::If I write a book that's the unadorned text of Locke's ''Essay Concerning Human Understanding'', then valid substance is determined by the original ''Essay'', leaving only superficial work for others, including me this time. That one's called "text repository", and presumably belongs on Wikisource. ::::::But, if I write a book about the use of quaternions in physics, and a few other people help out a little work on it but they all defer to my vision of how the book should be &mdash; and halfway through the book I get run over by a bus, but I left the book with enough suggestion of where I was going with it to be useful to someone else wishing to adopt it later &mdash; then maybe months or years later someone else will pick up that book and recast it somewhat for their vision that's different from mine, and they'll push forward and others who help out will defer to them. There was one primary author, and that may in fact have been an asset by giving the book a clear direction, but it wasn't objectionable (as long as it was voluntary on everyone's part) because the identity of the primary author wasn't ''inherent'' in the nature of the book. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 07:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::}} Just as a curious question: Is this post supposed to be related to the Rfd of [[Lohse, Martin]]? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :I have been approaching this thread as an exploration of deep principles underlying WB:WIW. I didn't have Lohse, Martin specifically in mind. In fact, actually contemplating the way my (clumsily articulated) "collaborative substance" meta-principle relates to that specific case, I have a feeling... it doesn't illuminate that specific case at all. Trying to apply it there may actually make the case harder to think about. Interesting. The difficulty may be that the meta-principle, as a contributing element in the formation of the policies themselves, is at a different level of abstraction from the policies. As if one were discussing whether roses are out of place in a certain flower garden, and in the midst of talking about color schemes and seasonal patterns one tried to bring electrons into the discussion. Also, the single meta-principle alone may be producing an unbalanced picture because, at its level of abstraction, there are other meta-principles involved that are not being taken into account. Even the policies that it contributes to are not only about it. WB:NOR, WB:HOST, etc. aren't just refinements of "collaborative substance". --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC) ::Interesting arguments, from all of you. While, strictly speaking, I do not see any original research in Sophie's World (which would be the case if Gaarder tried to present a novel philosophical system - whether using fiction as a tool or not), the "collaborative substance" issue is certainly pertinent. The objection Panic raised to that concept is an important one to think about. A proper textbook must have internal consistence, logical articulation between its chapters and, in most cases, a well-defined didactic approach. Such features demand that all co-authors share an unified vision of how to build the book. But wouldn't that work against the "collaborative substance" principle, given that the unified vision is in nearly all cases set by a single main author or by a small group of people? Is Wikibooks a paradox? ::The solution to that dilemma, which had been bothering me for a while, is implicit in Pi zero's travelogue/repository/quarternions example. An unified vision can coexist with full-fledged collaborative writing as long as that vision can be expressed '''objectively'''. A travelogue can't possibly fit WIW because the vision of the traveller is too strongly based on subjective elements (his experiences and feelings during the trip) and subjectivity is by definition something difficult to share and argue about, especially through the Internet. To a slightly lesser extent, that would apply to a full-fledged fictional work as well (although, back to the hypothetical example, I do not think it would be entirely unreasonable to think of people writing new Sophie/Alberto dialogues about philosophers not covered by the original book, kinda like in a "fanfic". But I digress). ::The key "meta-principle" at hand, therefore, would be that '''it must be possible to state objectively the principles, goals and conventions behind the composition of a Wikibook.''' Such a principle is indeed clearly distinct from other foundational issues such as "openness to collaboration", or concrete policies like "no original research". My take on the "levels of abstraction" issue is that the more we are able to think, and write policies, in terms of meta-principles the better. ::P.S.: This provocation has a bit to do with all the RfDs on humanities and arts we had over the last few weeks. That includes Lohse, Martin too, although subjectivity is not really a fundamental issue in that case (in principle it ''should'' be possible to discuss the works of Martin Lohse in an objective way). Also, it is important to realize that even with a strong meta-principle there are many subtle points that make decisions difficult. For instance, even things that we would intuitively assume as objective can be developed by an author in a way that they become indistinguishable from subjectivity for future contributors. See [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion#Beginning_Mathematics]] for a clear example of that. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 21:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::Let me begin by warning that I'm only 12, and most probably the youngest of Wikibooks regulars (though if I'm not, do tell me! :) I'm turning 13 in 4 months btw.) Besides, I am a non-native speaker and I'm not familiar with Western culture. Therefore I may not be able to explain this 'philosophy' in a rational way. However, my opinion would be that if a book is written in a style that would otherwise be impossible to be followed by others, that book wouldn't be a good one. That's because we are writing for our readers; making a book too obscure, especially a textbook, will make the reader confused when the reader comes across things that are closer to the 'norm'. As for the OR thing, I think it's pretty straightfoward: If it's unverifiable, delete it. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC) :What comes to my mind is [[w:Logicomix|Logicomix]]. In many ways it sounds similar to Sophie's world, but it goes in the other direction. That is it is meant to use actual history and philosophy to create "a good yarn." Rather then intending to teach, it is meant to entertain. But you might not be left with that impression reading it. While I find these books approach creative and clever. I don't think they are appropriate for wikibooks. Mostly because if I encountered such a book it would never be clear to me if facts were being change to support the fiction or vice versa. Generally, I think Sophie's world falls outside if what I find verifiable. (I am guessing, having not read the book). : Also generally speaking I do think books here need to have a high degree of "collaborative substance". I generally think the scenario that Pi Zero sets out is a fine example of what it could mean. Though I would caution an editor against starting a book with a very unusual point of view on a subject, I would by no means think anything should stand in their way, but Beginning Mathematics has made me less optimistic about such books. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == Reject ArbCom proposal == See [[Wikibooks talk:Arbitration Committee]]. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Handbook of Management Scales/Executive Commitment]] == I wonder if anyone could please remove [[Handbook of Management Scales/Executive Commitment]] to [[Handbook of Management Scales/Executive commitment]] (small c!) and also change the link to that page. [[Special:Contributions/92.225.83.175|92.225.83.175]] ([[User talk:92.225.83.175|talk]]) 07:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :{{doing}} [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :{{done}}. Next time just go ahead, create an account, and after 4 days you'll be able to move the page. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == download pdf not working? == i'm trying to download a book in pdf, it do'snt seem to be working help? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ydnar1957|Ydnar1957]] ([[User talk:Ydnar1957|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ydnar1957|contribs]]) </span></small> :Are you trying to save it via a [[Help:Collections|collection]] or from a File:blah.pdf page? You can usually right-click on certain links and choose to save the file to your desktop. If you can be more specific on which PDF you're trying to download, I can be more specific in my answer. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 18:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC) == Software Books and software versions == This is an opportunity to stop a potentially major problem before it becomes one. As I [[Talk:Inkscape/Interface|very recently posted]] on a talk page for [[Inkscape]] (a piece of software that is continually undergoing heavy development) nowhere in the book does it mention what ''version'' of the software is being referenced. I checked around some of the other software books (especially those in [[:Category:Open_source_software]]) and have found very few examples of any guidelines or procedures (trying very hard not to use the word 'policy' here) with respect to software versions. [[GIMP/Manual_Of_Style#Comments]] comes close (and is pretty much the ''very last'' line in the entire book) but there is still no outwardly obvious way for the end user to tell if a particular page is for one version or another of the software. This can obviously lead to problems (as in the mentioned Inkscape) when a new version comes out, but pages are not updated. The problems are further compounded by the fact that a new version coming out doesn't invalidate the work for the ''old version'', and complicated still when some features change significantly, some nearly invisibly, and some not at all, so a page may ''appear'' to be valid for the current version, when in reality it was written for a previous version and the implementation has changed slightly enough to make the page incorrect and even possibly appear deceptive. Since such books make up a significant portion of the total content on WB, I think we need to come up with some guidelines for maintaining these books with respect to different software versions. It seems like way too much work to actually maintain a separate version of each book for each separate version of the software (compounded moreso by minor revisions). Categorization might be appropriate here but doesn't solve the problem of keeping around an older, but valid version of the page for older versions. Perhaps something can be done with [[Help:Revision review|RR]] to allow ''multiple'' valid, reviewed versions. I'm not sure what the best solution actually is, but that's what the discussion is for, right? [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 02:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC) :I'm adding my first suggestion as a response (as the original post was getting lengthy). At the very least, as a stopgap measure, pages should use a template (as appropriate for the book) with the version number that the individual page is intended to cover, and perhaps a link to a "software versions" page with sections on each version covered by the book, and in the case of free/open source software an appropriate download link. In the event of major version changes (e.g. in the case of OpenOffice 2 vs. 3) a new book is probably more appropriate anyway. This could probably be accomplished by a single template if editors on different books can come to a consensus on a software versions page and adhere to a standard. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 02:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC) ::Have you seen that software book at [[WB:RfD]]? You might want to comment there. ;) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC) ::Displaying clearly version information for software books would make a good editorial guideline. I don't know if multiple stable versions would work well (personally, I find FlaggedRevs to be confusing enough to start with), but standardized templates could really help to make things more transparent. The one observation I would make at this point is that the text in the templates shouldn't necessarily read like a deprecation warning, but rather like a plain notice - old books can sometimes be very useful as long as you are aware of how much it is outdated. Finally, I feel the need for having new books for major revisions should be evaluated case-by-case, but in general even in major version changes it is possible to build on the existing content (the example which springs to my mind is Java 1.4 -> 1.5 -> 1.6). If some page does become deprecated it can be moved into some "Legacy" section of the existing book. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 21:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC) :::There are multiple versions of flagged revisions; they include, ''pristine'', ''quality'', and ''sighted''. I've only seen the latter two possible to review in our configuration, however, and the drop-down selectors don't outwardly correspond to those values. ("Featured quality" equals ''quality'' and is only available to ''reviewers'', anything below is equal to ''sighted'' and available to ''editors''. By default, the latest reviewed revision is shown to logged-out users, but administrators can change that to show draft revisions by default (effectively turning off flagged revisions for the page) or showing quality revisions by default (requiring a ''reviewer'' to sign off on changes and setting the bar higher than an ''editor''). The nomenclature is all out of whack, as everyone can edit pages and even ''editors'' get a "review" link in recent changes, plus in a page history, ''sighted'' shows as "sighted" but ''quality'' shows as "validated". And the three different areas (composition, area, coverage) are rarely differentiated between when sighting a page; usually the defaults of the lowest reviewed level are selected. We have a consistent two-month backlog at [[Special:OldReviewedPages]], no matter how lenient we make the qualifications for "editors". The only good news is that the names "editors" and "reviewers" can be changed by administrators in the interface messages [[MediaWiki:Group-editor-member]], [[MediaWiki:Group-editor]], [[MediaWiki:Group-reviewer-member]], and [[MediaWiki:Group-reviewer]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC) ::::Come to think of it there's one thing that's always seemed a little problematic to me and that's comparing wikibooks to published books. Aside from a static PDF print version there's no real way to have a complete stable copy of a book from any one point in time. Using transcludes works if you want a full copy of the ''current'' book, but, aside from using subst: and maintaining several pages of those per book, it doesn't seem like something that would be very easy to keep up with (with the wiki software as-is). However we have to work with what we are given so here's my '''proposal''': ::::# Book editors/managers should explicitly state what version a book is for, either on the book's front page or on one of the first pages of the book. ::::# Books should only cover one major version of a piece of software. Minor versions/updates can be dealt with in footnotes/infoboxes of some kind (something like a "'''Note:''' In version x.4 it works like this..." in a book which is substantially about version x.5). ::::#* Books covering minor versions/updates should keep the most recent version in the main text and differences from unupdated versions as side notes. ::::# Major version changes (for example, FL Studio 8 vs. FL Studio 9) should be separate books. Barring changes to the wikimedia software, this seems like the only way to really have separate complete "editions" of a book. If the changes between major versions are not very large (e.g. the fundamental operation of the software is essentially the same) then a static version could be made with subst: inclusions, but this makes correcting errors difficult, and all pages of a book must be up-to-date with the old version and not yet updated for the new version. ::::This proposal is meant to affect existing books as little as possible while providing easy-to-follow guidance for new books. I'm not too attached to how #4 works right now, so if anyone has a better idea I'm all ears. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 20:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC) :::::While I am not opposed to anything in your proposal, it may be a bit too strict to call it a guideline. Perhaps it could become one of our [[:Category:Wikibooks essays|essays]] which provide information about good practices and the like. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::What about an addition to the [[Wikibooks:Manual of Style]], regarding books covering software... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::That would be a good start. In other thoughts, it's not like there isn't precedent for making stable copies through substitution (some print versions already do that) but the difficult part would be keeping things up to date especially if errors needed to be corrected, and you lose wiki-navigation (although anchor links could still be used). It's just frustrating at this point because there's no way to work within the existing software to come up with a better way to do this, and my main goal is to keep it simple enough for book managers to keep up with. Pretty much every idea requires a good amount of work every time a page gets major changes, and even more if the software gets an upgrade. I think a lot of these issues, however, delve into book-by-book policy levels of detail, so I think the best thing to do now is to just dive in and start implementing it in practice to see how it works out. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 09:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:WikiProject Languages]] == I would like to restart the inactive languages project. I personally think it's a shame that some potentially good learning resources have been left half finished for so long. Anyone who wants to be involved, name on project page and we'll se how we go. [[User:Italienmoose|Italienmoose]] ([[User talk:Italienmoose|talk]]) 15:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC) :I added my comments on [[Wikibooks talk:WikiProject Languages]]. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 10:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == strange lines near math displays. == I have recently noticed some strange horizontal and vertical lines appearing around the mathematics png generated by texvc. Am I the only one seeing this (ie is it a user/browser issue)? Here is an example of what I mean [[:File:Strange_lines.png]]. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 19:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC) :Just for others to check, the page in question is [[Linear Algebra/Topic: Projective Geometry]]. I've tested it myself with Firefox and Chrome and am unable to reproduce the lines in the picture. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 21:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC) :I use to see that happen with scaled images sometimes in older versions of firefox regardless of website. I'm not seeing that problem now though. The problem could be with an image rendering library used by firefox rather than firefox itself as well. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC) ::'''Short update and work around.''' While I am still encountering this problem, it seems to be related to how "zoomed in"/"zoomed out" I am in firefox. That is the lines appear/disappear as I cycle through different zoom levels by pressing "CTRL +" and "CTRL -". By returning to the natural zoom level (by pressing "CTRL 0") the problem disappears. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :::I did check when you first reported the issue and looked at it again now. I also use firefox (last release version), I increased and decreased the zoom and didn't noticed any issue (then and now). If no one can replicate the problem try checking your drivers for the video card (update) or any alteration you have done there and work your way up. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :::: Unfortunately it is listed as a "Known Issue" in the latest version of Firefox and seems to have been around for a while, but it only effects those users running Linux. It looks like it is slated to be fixed for Firefox 4. For anyone interested in following the bug, the bug report is listed [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468496 here]. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC) == Syntax higlightning tuning (for Haskell) == The default GeSHi colour scheme for Haskell highlights literal strings with a hideously unreadable dark green background, as you can see, for instance, [[Haskell/Type_basics#Types prevent errors|here]]. Could an admin please change it into something more reasonable? As far as I could figure out, adding .source-haskell .st0 {background-color: #cdffcd !important } to [[MediaWiki:Geshi.css]] will change it into a far less obtrusive light green (I tested it on my user .css and it worked). --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 04:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. I've made the change. I trust the choice doesn't conflict with any other highlighting within the same language. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC) == Inappropriate userpages? == Once in a while, some users use their own userspace for myspace-like material. They may put their own personal profile or some kind of spam on their userpage. However, these actions cannot be justified as those users usually have no other edits. Should such userpages be nominated for deletion? If so, does it qualify for CSD, or will an RfD do? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :There is no consistent practice on that regard. I have for several times (IIRC 2x) cleared some offensive or clearly abusive page (like recently the use of a talk page for something that it wasn't designed for), I and others have also fixed some personal data, and warned users for the fact that they should be careful on what they share about themselves. :Except for clearly abusive content (offensive) I don't think that the userspace should be censored regarding support/attack to products or companies (without being clearly promotional or used for marketing campaigns). I would specially see as extremely problematic not differentiating users that do actual work on the project and those that do not. I would grant a higher leeway to those that active participate... :See this discussions [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/User:Indiaebooks]] [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion/Archive_12#User:Swapnil_durgade User:Swapnil_durgade], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archive_34#Allowing_Userspace_Blogging.3F Allowing Userspace Blogging?]. :It has been several times repeated that we don't allow blogs on the userspace here, but that view was not based in practice or gathered consensus (IIRC Jimbo Wales even promoted the practice). I think we don't need more policies or guidelines to establish what is acceptable on the userspace. The policies and guidelines we have, already determine what is acceptable behavior on the project and an RfD will suffice to address any problematic issues with I expect some consistency (we can always use previous discussions as supporting arguments). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 06:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :: I think any user page you find inappropriate can be brought up at Rfd. It never hurts to encourage other people in the community to look at it and see what they think. I personally don't think user pages dedicated to spam are tolerable. Other issues are a bit murkier and tougher to decided. I seem to recall the "myspace-ness" of some user pages coming up when people were doing a vast cleanup of images here, but I can't remember what the outcome was or even if I am remembering correctly, maybe someone else will remember (Adrignola, did you start a discussion about images on user pages at some point or is my memory still too sleep deprived to be trusted?). It seems to be the case that some of the books are based on university classes, and this classes strongly encourage (perhaps even ''require?!?!'', I will with hold my opinion about this) students to start an account here and work on the book. Since not all students to their assigned course work, and less do their suggested course work, this create a number of users who just have a user page and a few edits to it near the beginning of their course. Because of the large group of editors this creates with little or no exposure to culture on a wiki, I think we should be lenient about some things. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :::Many of my comments on the issue are at the RFD linked above. I will say that I believe common sense should reign, in that if a user's only edit is to create a page that is blatantly spam, I'm not going to waste people's time with an RFD. I don't believe I started a full-blown discussion on images on user pages, but now that we're uploading to Commons, the policy there is that they only accept images that are educational. Pictures of yourself would not necessarily be such. However, they have an exception for those images used on a user page (see [[commons:Template:Userpageimage]]). Abusing that by linking 50 from your user page to use Commons as a host for images linked elsewhere would be frowned upon. As for the content of user pages, I leave that up to the user. If you want barnstars and userboxes on your page, feel free; it's your page and the impression you're managing. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC) == Strange things in [[Special:RecentChanges]] == It might be something I accidentally set on my preferences or my browser, but why did I start to see [pending edits] and [urneviewed] in brackets while RC patrolling? Mysterious. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 04:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :That would be [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Technical Assistance#FlaggedRevs update on June 14|this]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 04:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::If you sight all the pages you won't have to see those tags. More invasive than the exclamation point, these tags encourage editors and reviewers to pitch in. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:01, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == [[AQA A-Level Physics]] == With all due respect to anyone who contributed to these pages, most of them are pretty poor. The pages on particle physics that I looked at this morning were riddled with errors and grammar that's so bad that even the most straight forward facts seemed confusing. I think that these pages could be a great resource for A-Level students (Having a free alternative to the textbooks sold by the exam board's chosen publishers would also be a big plus!), but no teacher in the land is going to direct their students to these pages as they stand. I made a start on some of the pages, but the sheer volume of work that would be required to develop the existing stuff into an accurate and comprehensive resource is such that I really don't want to get started, only to have to leave everything half finished. Is anyone else interested in developing these pages? [[User:MalachiK|MalachiK]] ([[User talk:MalachiK|talk]]) 18:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC) :Have you considered working on the [[A-level_Physics|OCR A-Level Physics]] book instead? That looks like it has progressed further than this one. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 20:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC) ::You're right, and it seems that there's more activity there as well. I was interested in the AQA book because this the specification that I teach - although I do wonder if there's a call for any general A-Level Physics book in the style of Muncaster or Nelkon & Parker. Does anyone know if this has been discussed anywhere? Anyway, I'll take a look at the OCR stuff some time and see if there's anything that needs doing. [[User:MalachiK|MalachiK]] ([[User talk:MalachiK|talk]]) 22:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC) Is there any chance that someone could approve the edits that I made over a month ago on these pages? I annoys me to see such badly written copy giving the project a bad name and even though I've edited it - it doesn't change. And this is a policy to improve quality? [[User:MalachiK|MalachiK]] ([[User talk:MalachiK|talk]]) 09:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :Hi, since no one is around watching the articles who can speak to accuracy etc., I have removed the previous flagged revision at [[AQA A-Level Physics/Particles and Anti-particles/Constituents of the particle]] so now all changes should be immediately visible to all viewers. Your other pages had been sited by someone else before I arrived. We have quite a backlog in our [[Special:OldReviewedpages]], so this seemed the most sensible option. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == FlaggedRevs update on June 14 == Hi everyone! As part of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pending_changes Pending Changes] feature rollout on en.wikipedia.org on 2010-06-14, we'll need to update the implementation of FlaggedRevs plugin that is in use on this wiki. We don't ''anticipate'' any problems or any reduction in functionality, but as with any new software, there may be unanticipated bugs. If you discover any problems, please report those changes at [http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Pending_Changes_issues the Pending Changes issue page]. Thanks! -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 23:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :As far as I was aware, the implementation proposed at en.wiki is significantly different from flagged revisions as we know it; hence Wikipedia's is flagged protection. I was under the impression that the version to be implemented at en.wiki only turned on for pages specifically selected by administrators, while here it's only turned ''off'' for pages administrators choose. In fact, that's why I thought they changed the name for en.wiki, in that the extension would be unique to en.wiki. I hope you've actually taken a look at how we're setup here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 00:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC) :: The way that Wikimedia wikis work in production, we roll out a plugin to one wiki, we roll it out to all of them. There's been a lot of changes made to make the plugin work for English Wikipedia. The main developer (Aaron Schulz) is quite aware of the different uses, and is pretty confident that this rollout shouldn't affect the other configurations, but I wanted to make sure we gave everyone fair warning that this change ''might'' affect the functioning of this wiki, only because it's impossible to test every permutation of functionality before rolling it out. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 00:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC) :::Agree it is difficult to test every permutation, but equally there are only a handful of larger projects using FlaggedRevs (as I understand it), of which this is one of the biggest. So I'd hope the configuration used here was part of the testing... [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 08:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Just for the record: a couple hours ago I got a database error which mentioned PendingChanges while trying to edit a sighted page. The problem silently vanished after two minutes or so. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 03:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: On a perhaps related note: I have been attempting to sight [[Calculus/Print version]]. Unfortunately I keep getting errors each time I try. I think the problem is fundamentally that the page is too long and is somehow causing timeouts. I have encountered this type of problem before, but don't know of a work around yet. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Hi there, we're primarily testing the German Wikipedia configuration and the English Wikipedia configuration, which represents the two very different configurations. If you'd like to set up a test site of your own, the configuration files for the various wikis is here: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 17:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Is there a way to configure the way your watchlist displays in the new flagged revs? I find the [unreviewed] and [pending] edits much more obtrusive than the red "!". The fact that the red ! still appears along with this new system is definitely overkill. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 06:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I have to agree with Thenub. I still prefer the exclamation mark. Makes it simpler. KISS. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Template:FBN warning]] == [[Template:FBN warning]]. Per 33roger's proposal earlier. If it's redundant, will an admin please delete it? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 06:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Turn off "unreviewed" markers for a specific wikibook? == My watchlist screams at me that most changes to the [[Haskell]] are unreviewed. However, I consider this a "bug", not a "feature". In my opinion, the formal review system is way too fine grained to deal with current edit patterns; how am I supposed to judge the quality of a spell change or a change to part of a text that I'm not too comfortable with anyway? My criterion for inclusion is always "does no harm", and I check periodically for that. Can we turn the review system off, at least for the Haskell wikibook? -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 08:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I think you are referring to the one a couple of sections up. It's messing up the RC! [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Ah, I didn't know about the discussion above. ::But I don't want the red exclamation marks either: I don't want the feature at all because it doesn't make contributing simpler or better, at least not for the Haskell wikibook. ::-- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I like the red exclamation mark. It clearly shows which edits are already approved so you don't need to go check it again. Isn't that great, no? Perhaps if you aren't a regular RC patroller you might find it annoying, so perhaps if there's a script you could put in your monobook that disables the function, that would be good. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC) For what it is worth we are not the only folks who dislike this aspect of the interface, it seems wikinews, and huwiki have also complained. See [http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Pending_Changes_issues##Unwanted_interface_changes_on_huwiki here] if you want to keep tabs on that conversation. I have added another section there mentioning some people here did not like the recent interface change. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I like the invasiveness. Not enough people participate in the system. As for the fine-grained-ness, I'd like to get a consensus on reversing the configuration to this wiki to return to the default of just having one drop-down selector for reviewing a page. I seriously doubt anyone fine-tunes the three different rating categories for pages they review. It's far easier to simply hit the Submit button using the defaults of the lowest-level for each of the drop-down menus. Cut it down to one drop-down, with a basic level editors can review to and an advanced level reviewers/admins can review to. That said, if everyone's ignoring the system ([[Special:OldReviewedPages]]), then maybe we should turn it off. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :: I believe 3 selectors is the default, just what is being measured was changed, unless the default has changed since I last looked. If we are going to change things, we could try simplifying it to one as you suggested, with something like a "Quality" selector with "Not reviewed/Unacceptable", "Minimal", "Average", and "Good". I imagine most people don't care to review books, but some books might want to have stable branches and this gives them the option. Nobody said that OldReviewedPages has to be checked. I think its just a case of people feeling compelled to do so because its there. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I agree that there should only be three states: ''unreviewed'', ''not vandalism,'' and ''undo/rolled-back'' (for vandalism). The bigger problem I see is that once a book gets flagged, only reviewers can sight it. For new books, or for school projects, this is a major hurdle. People make good-faith edits, and they are invisible. With a class project, the volume of edits can be so heavy that no single person who is unconnected with the project can keep up. Perhaps it would be better if it were a lot easier to become a reviewer (or is that editor - I can never remember the difference). The danger, of course, is that if it's too easy, vandals slip through. Maybe if a person got auto-promoted as soon as they had ''N'' edits that were approved by a reviewer? Again, I dunno! Or maybe admins should be more proactive in granting reviewer/editor privs? As in, "this person is doing legitimate work on a book; I will promote him/her." Another possibility would be to grant the privs on a per-book basis, but that is likely a code change rather than a settings-tweak. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::In the configuration file linked in the previous discussion (http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt), we can see that Wikibooks has a unique configuration override with three selectors. <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTags = array('composition' => 3, 'accuracy' => 2, 'coverage' => 2);</tt> instead of the default <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTags = array( 'accuracy' => 2 );</tt> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: Jomegat the problem with that is the extension doesn't work that way, the options are ratings not states. If you think of star ratings with 0 being bad and 5 stars being good then anything in between is somewhere between bad and good. In other words Minimal is better than Unreviewed, Average is better than Minimal, and Good is better than Average. IMO the extension wasn't designed with its actual use by users in mind, or the extension developers was going about solving the problem the wrong way. In any case if all that is wanted is to mark pages as being free of vandalism, this extension is overkill, because its like using a jackhammer when all that is needed to hammer in a nail is a hammer. Wikinews seems to show the ratings as stars now actually. ::::: Adrignola, That might be the Wikimedia wide defaults now. I was talking about [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php?revision=68055&view=markup Extension Defaults]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: I personally only use it for marking pages as free from vandalism. The traditional patrol approach would be more designed for that, but flagged revisions was already in place before I started here, so I made do. I've added CSS to the Common.css to hide the redundant marker for unreviewed pages in recent changes. Please clear your caches. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::: I think part of the problem is that the desire to use it as a patrol substitute by some people was only learned about after there was consensus to enabled it. FlaggedRevs isn't useful as a patrol substitute, so I agree that the traditional patrol approach is better designed for that job if all that is wanted is to mark pages as being free from vandalism. FlaggedRevs is useful for reviewing page quality with ratings that reflect the quality of a page, and was designed to show the best quality revision based on which revision has the highest rating at any moment in time. If the unreviewed/minimal/average/good system were used, a revision marked minimal will be shown before any unreviewed revisions, a revision marked average will be shown before any revision marked as minimal, and a revision marked as good will be shown before any revision marked as average. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::: I have to disagree with the last sentence, only on technical grounds. That's only the case if the default settings are altered by an administrator. Otherwise the latest reviewed revision, regardless of level of quality, is shown. That's what I take from the default stability settings page: [[:File:Revision configuration.png]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::: Come to think of it we might of changed a configuration for it to be that way as well. I recall that we asked to have auto review turned off, so the latest stable version would be shown unless someone intentionally reviews a revision of a page. I think the default for Wikibooks is to show a stable revision if there is one, but an administrator can alter it to show the latest instead. I know I had to do that for the Main Page. If the default has indeed changed to latest revision maybe someone changed the default for Wikibooks without telling us? Also btw registered users can override the wiki wide default in their preferences. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::: [[:File:En-wikinews review ui.jpg]] shows the difference in the UI. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|:::::::::}} I think you might be confusing my terminology (also it seems as though you referred to an page with no reviewed revisions as "stable", which is contrary to my thinking). The default still is to show the latest reviewed revision to unregistered users and the latest revision regardless of whether it's reviewed to registered users. My point is that if you have a featured-quality revision followed by a minimal-quality revision, the minimal quality revision will be shown to unregistered users unless settings are changed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :: I'm not calling a page with no reviewed revisions "stable", the latest revision is just shown which is similar to how I thought FlaggedRevs worked when there are reviewed revisions. I was not aware that a minimal-quality revision would override a featured revision. I thought only a new featured revision could override a featured revision. Are you sure that an unregistered user will see minimal-quality revision when a featured revision exists? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::Darklama, the screenshot of Wikinews has nothing to do with FlaggedRevs. The object in the screenshot is the feedback form, which readers, not editors, use to comment on the news article. The 'comments' part go to the comments namespace of Wikinews where people express their feelings about the news event, not about the article. Also, you do not appear to have reviewer rights on Wikinews, which means you may not be able to see whatever Wikinews uses for FlaggedRevs. (Me neither, so I'll try to contact Pi zero.) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::See [[Flagged Revisions Test]]. In the history we have a higher-level quality revision ("featured" level, which only reviewers can bring it up to) followed by a lower-level quality revision (the base level an editor can bring it to). If you log out with the defaults in place, you'll see "'Sighted' revision". The higher-level quality revision states "'Featured' revision". Only when I changed the stability configuration on the page did I see the featured-quality revision when logged out. At that point the interface also complained about pending changes due to a lower-level revision following a higher-level one. With the defaults, it had no problem with a lower-level revision following the higher-level one. Additionally, I see that instead of "sighted" and "quality" as you saw in the screenshot I took, the history now labels them as "checked" and "approved" respectively. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I guess that lower quality revisions are shown can be good or bad depending on your perspective. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I find the "!" useful, and I use out of date reviewed pages all the time to check for vandalism, etc. Agree that the multiple levels of review aren't very helpful though. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Ooooh I hadn't seen the mess in the RC when I made this comment. That interface change is horrible! [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I agree, the interface change ''is'' rather horrible. I didn't even see it until the first time I came over here after the change, though, because I was at Wikinews when it happened, and over there they fixed the things about it they didn't like so fast that I didn't notice the difference, and was only aware that they'd customized the new interface because I [[n:Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#FlaggedRevs update on June 14|read about it]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC) Another thing which bothers me about the new interface is the change to the stable version notices on the pages. What used be just a discrete notice on the right margin saying "Current revision: unreviewed" is now a prominent "There are no reviewed versions of this page, so it may '''not''' have been checked for adherence to standards.". Which standards? For books which do not use FlaggedRevs systematically (such as [[Haskell]]...) that is plain obtrusive, and even misleading. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 16:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC) : I have changed the default wording to read now "This page may need to be reviewed for quality". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::To get a short note in the right corner there is a preference "Edit Review" called "Use small icons and minimal text to show review status of pages" which may do what you'd like. But I am glad we have toned down the long form of the disclaimer. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 21:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I think it just reset preferences. I've always had the bar across the page for unreviewed pages and no bar for reviewed pages, and intentionally did not switch to the small version. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Thanks Thenub! In case someone hasn't noticed, apparently it seems like they will take away the [pending changes] and [unreviewed] because a lot of people hate them. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 01:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: :) Don't thank me yet, this option doesn't effect [pending changes] or [unreviewed] on my watchlist. But you may be noticing some changes [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] made to Mediawiki:Common.css. His changes initially took these loud flags out entirely, but (since some of the concern was mainly about the recent changes page?) he updated it so it only took them out of the RC list. For a while after he made the second change I still didn't see the flags on my watch list, it wasn't until I did a "hard reload" that the reappeared again. So maybe your browser has an old style sheet? Either way I have done nothing to take them away, he deserves thanks (and has mine) for getting them out of the RC list. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: Um, actually Thenub, I was thanking you for dropping a note about the preferences. :P Of course, we have Adrignola to thank as the bother is now reduced. :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::: Oops I somehow misread and thought you meant I was making these things go away. I can see now you meant the developers are changing the setup. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Until then, I've also duplicated the code to apply it to the watchlist. Another hard reload/cache clear and you should be good there too. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::::Thanks Adrignola! RC is a lot clearer now! Almost as good as new! [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Does this history make sense? == Hi, I just (rather needlessly) rolled back the edits of an IP user that undid his own contributions. The idea was to allow the page to revert back it its previous sighted version without me sighting it. When I look at the edit history, I do not appear in the history, instead it shows up as the IP user who automatically sighted this page. [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Orthographic_Projections&action=history See here], has anyone else encountered strange behavior with rolling back to sighted revisions? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC) P.S. The edit doesn't show up under my contributions either, so it has effectively disappeared from the database. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :Sure you really edited that page? :) I do see the "automatically sighted" note, which would never happen for an IP user. Maybe you can clarify and list the steps to reproduce this, as I'm not entirely clear on what happened. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Sure. I was working through the [[Special:OldReviewedpages]] page and noticed a page pending review that had a diff of size 0. I thought I could handle that, so I looked at the page. Some IP user had changed the word "thumb" to "thumbnail" in an image link, realized his mistake and changed it back to "thumb". I am rather anal, or at least picky, and don't like being listed as the person who sighted a page as quality unless I had read the page, so rather then sighting the page I went into the pages history, went to the IP users second edit and clicked roll back. I double checked the edit history to make sure everything went as I expected and I didn't see my name, but magically the IP user was listed as automatically having sighted the page. I don't know exactly how to reproduce it, but I suspect the following would work: # Find a nice reviewed page with the most current version flagged. # Log out # Edit the page # Edit the page again, restoring the original (I wouldn't try actually "undo"ing, just change it back) # Log back in. # Try to roll back your IP edits. --[[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :: Indeed this worked for me at [[Calculus/Volume]]. (oops just checkuser'ed myself :P) [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ut :::I've seen this too. Basically, I don't think you can do a rollback that doesn't make a change. MediaWiki sees what you're trying to do, says "yeah, yeah", and then politely ignores the "change" which is really no change at all. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::So, it's basically similar to a null edit to a page then. The "automatically checked" still shows up for the IP user, but since we ''know'' IP users can't have edits auto-reviewed, there's nothing to worry about. If it's still a problem, there's always [[bugzilla:|Bugzilla]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: Yes, I suppose it is a non-issue at the end of the day, though it would be nicer if non-edit was picked up earlier and the page never ended up needing to be "Reviewed". Thanks for hiding my IP, I wasn't really worried, but having been wikistalked once over at wikipedia maybe I really should be more careful. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 00:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == the audio template == At en.wiktionary the audio template is somehow configured to play off audio file while the page it is embedded on is still in full view. Here, at least in firefox, a new blank page appears while the file is playing. This is a major disadvantage for the language books. E.g. when listening to pronunciation files of larger text fragments it would be advantageous to have the text fragment still in view. Can the audio template be updated? Actually minus the rather bulky push button that wiktionary uses. That would probably clutter may language books rather badly. [[User:Jcwf|Jcwf]] ([[User talk:Jcwf|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :You'd want to use [[Template:Inline player]] for the same functionality as Template:Audio on Wiktionary. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 17:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Bug in user contributions == Probably another issue related to the FlaggedRevs changes... it seems all main namespace edits in user contributions are being displayed as a blank line. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 16:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :Please clear your cache. I've fixed recent code added to Common.css designed to hide the [unreviewed] link to target that only and not the whole line in user contributions for pages that are not reviewed. The CSS class that was hiding the whole line is the one that gives the unreviewed pages in user contributions that tint. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC) How do you cite that you have accessed the information in one of the textbooks collection - APA style == WB: as a short form of Wikibooks: prefix == {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin-left:10px; text-align:center;" ! Prefix || Target |- | WB || 4 |- | WJ || 110 |- | JR || 110 |- | CAT || 14 |- | COOK || 102 |- | CB || 102 |- | SUB || 112 |- | SJ || 112 |} I don't know the technical issues, but in other projects, the abbreviation of the project plus a : points directly to the page of that namespace. For example WN:Style guide points to Wikinews:Style guide and WP:Assume good wraith points to Wikipedia:Assume good wraith. But in Wikibooks pages with the WB: prefis are considered part of the mainspace. Is there any way to change this to keep up with the other projects? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :Gain consensus on the community and submit a bug request. I support creating a ''WB'' namespace redirect to ''Wikibooks'', similar to how ''Project'' also redirects to ''Wikibooks''. It will be necessary to handle the shortcuts already in place prefixed with ''WB'' once that change is made. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :Yes using [[mw:Manual:$wgNamespaceAliases|$wgNamespaceAliases]]. I support adding $wgNamespaceAliases = array('WB' => NS_PROJECT, 'WJ' => 110, 'CAT' => 14, 'COOK' => 102); That will also add aliases for Wikijunior ([[Special:PrefixIndex/WJ:|WJ]]), Category ([[Special:PrefixIndex/CAT:|CAT]]), and Cookbook ([[Special:PrefixIndex/COOK:|COOK]]). --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC) ::Wouldn't 'CB' be preferable to 'COOK'? Seems more in line with the others... --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 19:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :::I like that idea and would prefer it myself. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 21:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :::COOK was suggested as a no-brainier, so most people would know what it means just by looking at it. "Jr." is a common abbreviation for Junior which could arguably also justify using <tt>'JR' => 110</tt> for Wikijunior instead for a similar reason. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :Kayau as soon as you get the feeling of the community remember to formalize it into a clear proposal (at this time it will include 2 items; the WB abbreviation and changing COOK to CB) and ask for the placement of a general announcement. I don't see anyone objecting to the proposed changes but wait a bit for more input (7 days). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC) I like the idea of having these shortcuts (WB, WJ, CAT, CB) as redirects to the real namespaces. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]22:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :This sounds like a fine idea to me, with one exception, why are we leaving the subjects namespace out? Maybe it should be S or SJ? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :We don't have to pick and choose. Several aliases can be made for the namespaces. I've summarized the desired prefixes listed here so far in the table to the right. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC) ::Is there a way to see all the existing alias (a partial one can be seen in [[Special:SiteMatrix]]). There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies or at least not one scheme covers all the projects systematically. For instance we have [[[[s:]]]] for Wikisource but not [[[[WS:]]]] and [[[[v:]]]] for Wikiversity but not [[[[WV:]]]], we already have [[[[w:]]]] and [[[[W:]]]] for Wikipedia working and we are proposing to add [[[[WJ]]]] but not [[[[j:]]]] and why is [[[[wikt:]]]] in place of [[[[t:]]]] ? ::If there aren't any collisions the schemes should be fully extended to cover all projects consistently. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :::I don't think the current state of affairs is inconsistent. One-letter abbreviations go to sister projects (which are probably the more common external links in book writing proper), while 2+ letter abbreviations link to Wikibooks namespaces. [[wikt:]] is rather strange, indeed, and [[t:]] (or even [[d:]]) could be used alongside it. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I don't think t: is a good idea. In the future, some lazy bones may want to use T: as a shortcut to a very popular talk page (a good example is [[w:T:TDYK]] in Wikipedia). [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Added "SUB" and "SJ" as possible aliases for Subject. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 11:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: To comment on Kayau's idea, I think using t: for talk pages would be a bad idea. Under the "call a spade a spade" philosophy, lazy bones at wikibooks should be using d: or D: for discussion pages (let's have a little project pride and use our own names for things). I also like the idea of linking t: to wikitionary to be more inline with links like w: and v:. The one letter for sister projects seems seems rather consistent otherwise. I suspect wikimedia folks didn't want to do this globally because it stepped on the toes of wikipedia and their talk pages. Of course wikipedia is the big fish, so it is clear why there is just one exception.<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> {{outdent|::::::}} Panic says after we reach consensus after a while, I should 'formalize it into a clear proposal'. How can I do that? I have never used Bugzilla before. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :I'll add it to Bugzilla when we get consensus. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC) {{hiddenh3|Proposal}} {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin-left:10px; text-align:center;" ! Prefix || Target |- | WB || Wikibooks |- | WJ || Wikijunior |- | COOK || Cookbook |- | CAT || Category |- | SUB || Subject |} We propose to add <tt>$wgNamespaceAliases = array('WB' => 4, 'WJ' => 110, 'CAT' => 14, 'COOK' => 102, 'SUB' => 112);</tt> to the wiki configuration to create aliases to current namespaces using abbreviations. They are listed to the right. Discussion occurs above. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :Revised per Pi zero's comments below, with one prefix per namespace. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 17:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ::Submitted as [[bugzilla:24042|bug 24042]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC) :::Now implemented. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 21:45, 19 June 2010 (UTC) {{hiddenh4|Namespaces Support}} * &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * as amended (withdrawing my opposition below). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC) *--[[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * as amended --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * as amended --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 21:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * As nom, also agree with Pi zero about multiple shortcuts. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC) {{hiddenh4|Namespaces Oppose}} * (Objection has been addressed by amendment, so I'm not opposed to the amended proposal. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC))<br/> <s>I '''strongly oppose''' this in its current form.</s> I was actually in the process of writing a rather long post <s>on why I think that in its present form this would cause irreparable harm</s>. (As usual, I spent too long writing it and missed the moment.) If we eliminate JR, CB, and SJ, I would support. I'll try to cut down my long-winded comments and post some further explanation here in a little while. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :Executive summary: We don't want the long-term consequences of having created multiple shortcuts for a given namespace. :Creation of these things is irreversible. Once people start to use a namsepace shortcut, it will quickly become impossible to retract it &mdash; although a bot could fix the problem on Wikibooks, and perhaps likewise on its sister projects (in theory, at least), namespace shortcuts are especially likely to be used ''across the entire web'', with about as much chance of undoing it as undoing the introduction of [[w:Kudzu#Ecological invasion|Kudzu in the southeastern US]]. :Off hand I can think of a couple of reasons for us to regret being unable to reverse such shortcuts. The most immediate is that different people using different shortcuts for the same namespace will make any large body of material that mixes styles harder to read (from individual pages up to and including Wikibooks as a whole). Also, on a scale of years, namespaces change. For example, Wikijunior might remain just as it is for ever more, or it might change in ways we simply can't foresee &mdash; and that's kind of the point. It's in the nature of such things that we often ''can't'' anticipate specifically what will happen, so we ought to be minimizing the likelihood that what we do now will become a stumbling block for future developments. In this case, that liklihood is very roughly proportional to the number of short namespace shortcuts we create now. :Of the multiple-choice shortcuts proposed, I submit that WJ is vastly to be preferred over JR since the former is already standard while the latter is not. I recommend SUB over SJ, both because it's more instantly obvious what it means (I keep seeing SJ and thinking it ought to be associated with Wikijunior somehow), and because the other three-letter shortcut is CAT, so it makes a stylistic similarity between the functionally similar namespaces. It took me longer to decide what to suggest about the Cookbook namespace; but I recommend COOK, because it's just blindingly obviously right, and I can't remotely imagine changing circumstances that would make it not-right, whereas CB is okay but not as blindingly obvious, and, given that there are only so many two-letter abbreviations, CB becoming less right someday because of changing circumstances is merely improbable (rather than unimaginable). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ::'''Support''' Pi zero's amendments. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 16:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :: I agree with you about SJ and CB. OTOH WJ is only used in one place right now so isn't at all that standard yet. If you look at Wikijunior as being a junior project than JR makes sense too. Wikijunior could have as a style that any use of {{tl|shortcut}} should or must include both the WJ and the JR version which could resolve the issue of which to use and any problems with inconsistencies. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::When I said WJ was standard, what I meant was that I perceive WJ to be the standard shorthand way of referring to it that people routinely use when, er, talking about it. (If it isn't talking, why are they called talk pages?) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::The multiple styles problem has more to do with actual deployment rather than availability, indeed. By the way, I also dislike JR for aesthetic reasons, if that would count for anything. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 17:07, 11 June 2010 (UTC) == Fiction == I am new to Wikibooks and frankly I can't get over the excitement of being able to connect with the WHOLE world in such a unique way. My question is this? Are fictional books featured here at all? For example 'Frederick Forsyth's Negotiator. Can it be read here or not? Please be gentle with me, I am new to this. :Fiction books are not allowed here (see [[WB:WIW]]), just textbooks. Fiction books may be allowed at wikisource if they have been published elsewhere. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 17:05, 20 June 2010 (UTC) ::[[s:Main Page|Wikisource]] books must be in the public domain as far as I know. I remember there is a wiki where you can publish your own fiction book, but I forgot what that site's called... [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC) == [[:CAT:Links to external webpages]] == {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; text-align:left; width:350px;" class="collapsible" !List of external redirects by creation date |- |<DynamicPageList> category = Links to external webpages addfirstcategorydate = true </DynamicPageList> |} Many of these pages are suffering from link decay. Since the pages are only meant to be links this is pretty bad. Here are some issues I have noticed: *Strategywiki is now Stategerywiki.org (not strategywiki.net) *Some pages were "soft linked" to wikiversity only later to be recreated here? Such as [[Human physiology (Wikipedia link-book)]] and [[Human Physiology]]. So maybe we should take a look and clean them up? Or maybe some should be deleted? To be honest I find it strange we don't host game guides but we maintain pages dedicated to linking to game guides. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC) : I tend to believe that external links are fine for the short term, but should be deleted in the long run. We got links to the game guides because those books use to be hosted here, and I think was done to give time for people to find where they moved to. I think most of them should be deleted now. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC) ::I remember that I'd once thought of proposing the deletion of these pages, but I decided not to since this may be contradictory to previous consensus. It's great that I'm not the only one who thinks they should be deleted! RfD? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 10:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC) ::I agree with Darklama but understand that deleting them will not be of any particular interest and as someone else has said before, it prevents recreation of the works and helps promote the new location (if working and in relation to most games titles or stuff like the jokebook). Besides that, I don't see any useful purpose on keeping them, if the link is broken delete... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::(edit conflict) I think an Rfd may be too formal. One page per entry would get to be a bit much, but it doesn't seem right to simply say "let's delete everything in this category". Rather I think it would be better to come up with a criteria here for which things should stay and go and let "common sense" prevail about the rest. But I think what we are suggesting is in spirit I think the "Orphaned/Broken" redirect policy, so hopefully we won't need to Rfd each link. :::I would suggest that links to external webpages created more than then 6 months ago should go, this will cover a lot of the strategy wiki stuff. I think I would include in this removing links to sister projects where we now have material here (as in the example above). Though I have no problems with sister links ''in'' the material here, I really mean modules whose only existance is to contain a link. I do not support the idea, but I can imagine extending some grace to links to sister projects where we don't really have a corresponding book here. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::: I think having a policy to delete external redirects more than X old is a good idea. I could support 6 months that is reasonably long, but I would also support a much shorter period like 30 days. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Even as long as six months will eliminate most of them; not something I see as a problem. I've added a list of them ordered by creation date (ones created before July 2008 still show July 2008). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC) == color in wiki books == If I order a wiki book does the pic printed in color? On th PDF file I see them in a B\W colors. thank U. :PediaPress books ordered via [[Special:Collection]] will come in color. See http://pediapress.com/ for a sample book with pictures of the quality you can expect. -- &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC) ::The cover page of the sample book on http://pediapress.com/ is in color but all the images inside the book are in black and white. At the bottom of that page they also state that the books have a "color cover and black & white interior". Adrignola: what is your statement based on? --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 13:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC) :::It's based on my poor reading comprehension, apparently. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC) == Translating a WikiBook across programming language? == There is an existing WikiBook: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Write_Yourself_a_Scheme_in_48_Hours Write Yourself a Scheme in 48 Hours]. I'm interested in potentially translating this book into Java (and corresponding dependent libraries). This would also potentially involve rewriting some sections; the current book has explanations in Haskell; these would need to be rewritten to target Java. How does one go about doing this in WikiBooks format? Can I create a new variant of this book in Java? Where's the right place to contain the book while it's being translated ("not ready")? I have some experience with Wikipedia but limited experience with WikiBooks -- apologies in advance for my ignorance. [[User:Xiphoris|Xiphoris]] ([[User talk:Xiphoris|talk]]) 03:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC) :Both Wikipedia and Wikibooks use the MediaWiki software, so they use the same set of wiki markup. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC) :Remember also to give some form of attribution to the original work. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 12:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC) : What do you mean by translate? Do you want to use existing material from "Write Yourself a Scheme in 48 Hours" as a bases for the Java version? Do you just want to use that book for inspiration? If you want to use existing material as a bases you'll need to credit the book, the best way to do that is to include a reference to the book in an edit summery when you use material. If you just want to use the book for inspiration without copying anything than there is no need to credit the book. You can acknowledge that the book was a source of inspiration though anyways if you want people to know what inspired you, but you should do so in a way that people don't mistakenly believe that the book must be attributed should they want to reuse this new book. :Other than the consideration to be made if you intend to copy material from an existing book, you would start a 48 Hour Java book like you would any new book. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC) :If you want, you can edit your own [[User:Xiphoris|user page]] to hold temporary material for the book. This can be done in sub-pages which can be deleted later if the past versions are of no longer of any interest. Although, if you are re-using material from other Wikibooks or Wikipedia it is convenient to credit the original sources with links in the edit histories. Most books here start with a basic skeleton and add material gradually. You can use standard [[Template:Under_construction|under construction]] or [[Template:Status|percentage complete]] templates to inform readers of the state of the book. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC) == "Page turning"? == Am I missing the way to "turn the page" in the wikibooks? For example, if I am here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AP_Computer_Science/Java, how do I get to the next section/page? Currently I've been going back to the menu and then clicking the next section, but that seems pretty inefficient. [[User:Daviddoria|Daviddoria]] ([[User talk:Daviddoria|talk]]) 13:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :Apparently that book is a 'bad example' of what a good book should be. A good book usually has a navigational aid that helps you turn the pages, such as [[Template:Navigate]]. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :: Unfortunately not, the media wikisoftware doesn't handle books very well. Specifically all navigational aids need to be put in by hand. It is a job you could help with if your interested. You can see [[Linear Algebra/Introduction]] for one example of how it can be done. Navigational aides are something we encourage, but currently do not appear in every book. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> == [[Wikijunior:KinderCalculus]] == I invite community involvement in [[Wikijunior talk:KinderCalculus/Perverts#Rename|this discussion]]. To be clear, this is a discussion that I started, and the two issues (not restricted to the one talk page, but in practice this is where all the discussion is taking place so far) are the name of the specific module and, more broadly, the metaphor of layers of clothing of which it is a part. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 11:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :I would be glad to read through it and tell you my thoughts, but I am a little concerned the book describes itself as "an experimental K-6 math program". I have my usual concerns about verifiability and original research. This sounds to me like a part of realm of education research. Do you off hand know if there any references, syllabuses, etc attached to this book? Or is this wikbooks the home of this experiment? Google searching doesn't really turn up much, but maybe I am out of the loop or searching the wrong terms. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC) ::Update: Kayau has started [[WB:RFD#Wikijunior:KinderCalculus|an RFD]], where Panic has suggested transwiki to Wikiversity. I've commented there (''and'' the thread on the talk page continues). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC) ::After reading the book, I think the phrase "an experimental K-6 math program" just tries to say that this book uses a new, innovative approach to teaching the topic. IMHO this is the best reason for writing wikibooks. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 19:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC) == DefaultSortkey for namespaces with subpages == Hello!! What do you think of requesting at bugzilla that for namespaces using subpages the DefaultSortkey should be the subpagename of the page (instead of the fullpagename. This seems particullarly useful at Wikibooks since our book are grouped using subpages and in the category of a book there is no point in using the fullpagename, because all of its pages starts with the same prefix "book name/". The current behavior is defined is at [http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/Parser_8php-source.html#l05027 Parser.php]: {|width=100% class=wikitable |- !Current implementation !Possible re-implementation |- |<source lang=php> public function getDefaultSort() { global $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey; if ( $this->mDefaultSort !== false ) { return $this->mDefaultSort; } elseif ( $this->mTitle->getNamespace() == NS_CATEGORY || !$wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey ) { return $this->mTitle->getText(); } else { return $this->mTitle->getPrefixedText(); } } </source> |<source lang=php> public function getDefaultSort() { global $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey; global $wgCategoryDefaultSortkeyForSubpages; if ( $this->mDefaultSort !== false ) { return $this->mDefaultSort; } elseif ( $wgCategoryDefaultSortkeyForSubpages ) { return $this->mTitle->getSubpageText(); } else { if ( $this->mTitle->getNamespace() == NS_CATEGORY || !$wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey ) { return $this->mTitle->getText(); } else { return $this->mTitle->getPrefixedText(); } } } </source> |} The new version would probably use [http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/Title_8php-source.html#l00731 getSubpageText()] to get the correct value. Would this be a good idea? [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]18:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC) :It would be a great idea, though we have simplified things with {{tl|BookCat}}. I think the developers would want the actual code changes and a demonstration of consensus at the project before they would proceed with the change. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 20:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::With respect, I don't see any point in tinkering with the default sort key. We never use the default now (that I can think of), and we don't specify anything else, either. We tell {{tl|BookCat}} to take care of it for us &mdash; and {{tl|BookCat}} almost always sorts book pages by {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}} (except when deep filing). It's undesirable to bypass {{tl|BookCat}} anyway, because when one occasionally renames a book or moves a page from one book to another (or rearranges a book with deep filing (shudder)), {{tl|BookCat}} automatically chooses the right category for the new name without our having to edit individual pages &mdash; plus, if we ever did for some reason decide to do some project-wide rearrangement of things, we would be able to do it in {{tl|BookCat}} without having to go through and edit every page of every book. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC) :::I understand your point, Pi zero. But note: Template BookCat was created at 2007 here and at pt.wikibooks we created AutoCat almost one year afterwards (independently, reinventing the wheel) and no other wikibooks projects seems to have some automatized way of setting the sortkey of book chapters (e.g. [http://it.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Pascal/Array&action=edit it.wikibooks]). If the feature is available by default in MediaWiki, the things are somewhat better also for those projects (I think), and can helps even in the case where a user forgets to add the sortkey (and don't know about the template). :::I've added a possible reimplementation of the function above (but I'm not a PHP programmer, so it needs review...). [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]22:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I actually think it's preferable that pages categorized freehand (i.e., without {{tl|BookCat}}) should come out sorted badly, so that it's more likely someone will notice and replace the freehand categorization with {{tl|BookCat}}. ::::Aside from all that, though, I'm a bit confused by your proposal. Did you really mean to propose that the default sort key should be <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki>? I don't think there are all that many books here that are sorted that way now; {{tl|BookCat}} only does that if you use parameter <code>filing=deep</code>. Most books, that I've noticed, use {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}}, which I think I prefer for the purpose. (It appears to me that pt AutoCat uses CHAPTERNAME too.) ::::(Incidentally, {{tl|BookCat}} got hugely upgraded last summer. It now works on book subpages, book-specific templates, and subcategories of book categories both for the book's templates and for deep filing, both for mainspace books and for Wikijunior books. So yes, in theory the template was created in 2007, but most of the code in it dates from 2009.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Ok. I was thinking about <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki> because this coincides with {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}} for pages with only one level of subpages and because we already have the MagicWord <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki>. But you are right, in general we indeed prefer to use the result of {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}} as sortkey. So, the proposal could be that this value should be the default sortkey for namespaces with subpages, instead of the full pagename, probably using something like a new function getChapterText() or getMainSubpageText() whose functionality would be the same of our {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}}. :::::In this case, if a page could be sorted correctly by the new default sortkey, with a code like <nowiki>[[Category: <category name> ]]</nowiki>, I think this would be a good thing, because then it wouldn't be necessary to update the categorization in order to serve the readers with well organized categories. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]20:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::I've made a request at [[bugzilla:22911]]. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]02:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC) == Note == Hi, I just deleted a page here using my tools here as a global sysop. I think it's the first time a global sysop has done that and just want to make sure what I did was within scope of local policy. Thanks! [[User:Maximillion Pegasus|Maximillion Pegasus]] ([[User talk:Maximillion Pegasus|talk]]) 01:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :It looks like a good call to me. You'd be right that it's the first time we've had a global sysop come around after opting in. I was worried that they'd choose not to come around thinking that it'd be embarrassing for an English language wiki to need global assistance. Other than that it's just been the steward bots doing local blocks of accounts. We had Wutsje from the small wiki monitoring team doing rollbacks as a global rollbacker some time back, but now that he's a steward, he's been too busy. Recent Runes has been good at IP vandalism patrolling. Good to have your assistance! &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) == Twinkle Warning Gadget == I've added a gadget to [[Special:Preferences]] that people can use to notify/warn users for vandalism/spam, personal attacks, content issues, ignoring process, structural mistakes, etiquette, or blocks. I'd like to thank Darklama for providing consultation on the three generic templates I also created that are used by the script ({{tl|please help}}, {{tl|please agf}}, {{tl|please learn}}) and for optimizing the JavaScript. The great thing about the script is that it only uses those three templates, adding additional information to their output based on the situation you've selected, rather than use 40 separate templates, beyond {{tl|blocked}} for block notices. If you have the welcome gadget installed, you'll have a second warn tab. If people so desire, that warn tab could be removed from the welcome script (which only provides the use of {{tl|test}}. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 20:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :Nice! I look forward to trying it out. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 22:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC) == Image Hovering fails in Internet Explorer == It is a feature of the [[Template:HoverImage]] Can support be added for this? [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 14:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :It works fine in Internet Explorer 8. Older versions do not support CSS hovering over anything but links. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Thanks Adrignola,<br> Since you seem to have IE8, can you tell me whether or not it supports the pre-wrap value for the CSS property Whitespace? Version 6 does not. The overflow test on page/section [[Editing_Wikitext/Preformatted_Text#Browser_Pre-wrap_Test| Browser Pre-wrap Test]] is a quick way to find out.<br> Thanks, [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 11:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC) :The long sentence wraps just fine inside the dotted box in IE8 and the appearance does not differ from what I get in Chrome 5.0.375.70 or Firefox 3.6.3. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks for the inputs, [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 14:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC) 1xsac9t2s7krdnsp9srmwydoo931bvl 4639388 4639387 2026-06-08T18:03:18Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639388 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == How can I use HotCat in Wikibooks == I've checked; apparently it's not in the gadgets part of my preferences. Do I need to apply for a right for it? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC) : HotCat isn't an enabled gadget here. I think HotCat would need to be heavily modified to make sense. Basically a HotCat gadget for Wikibooks would need to restrict suggestions for pages in a book to categories beginning with the book name, filter out all book categories and book subcategories for book's main page, and be able to suggest the right category name in border cases where there are two categories because there is a subject and a book by the same name. I think there is more involved in categorizing things here that isn't going to be easy to automate with HotCat, and I think using HotCat as is will harm any attempt to have a consistent and usable category system. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC) :<small>(I'm not suggesting that this is a good idea, but it is possible to use HotCat in its WP form from WB by adding the following to [[Special:MyPage/monobook.js]]:</small> importScript('User:TheDJ/Gadget-HotCat.js', 'en.wikipedia.org'); :--[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 18:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC) == rules of management == i'd like to know about a rule in management called (let them do mistakes) :You can read the books from [[Subject:Management|here]] to find out. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC) == contributions highlited in yellow == Hi. I am new to Wikibooks so forgive me if this question occurs a lot and/or is stupid. I have been contributing a lot to [[General Chemistry]], specifically the section entitled 'Electrochemistry'. My edits on that section of the Wikibook are displayed after I save my changes. However, when I click on 'my contributions', I notice that those edits have a light yellow background ([[Special:Contributions/Backward]]). What does this mean? --[[User:Backward|<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px;">&nbsp;back</span>]][[User talk:Backward|<span style="background:darkgreen;color:white;padding:2px;">ward&nbsp;</span>]] 19:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC) :I appears as a light pink for me, but that indicates that your edits have not yet been [[Help:Revision review|reviewed]]. Given that most pages haven't had any revisions to them reviewed at all, everyone's edits will have the tint in both the page history and in their contribution history. Notice that it doesn't show up for the talk, Wikibooks, or user namespaces, as flagged revisions (as the system is called) is not turned on for those. After you make enough edits here, you will automatically gain the "editor" flag and be able to review both your own and others' revisions to a page, mostly to combat vandalism. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 19:19, 5 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks a lot for the in-depth and quick response. Yeah, it is more of a light pink than yellow. I couldn't pinpoint the color :) --[[User:Backward|<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px;">&nbsp;back</span>]][[User talk:Backward|<span style="background:darkgreen;color:white;padding:2px;">ward&nbsp;</span>]] 19:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC) :::(Funny, to me that colour is more like a shade of orange :) --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 18:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC) ) ::::My hypothesis is that it's yellow for regular users, orange for "editors", and pink for "reviewers". We'd need a larger sample size to test this. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 18:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :::::For me, it's anywhere from a strong orange to a very washed-out pink depending on the angle from which I'm viewing my LCD display. :-) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == Subgum Stir Fry Recipe Help Needed == Hi guys, I have a recipe question. I have a generic recipe that is based off what I believe is a unknown copyrighted source. The measurements are most likely different and the recipe is generic and different ingredients can be used. For example, the recipe calls for vegetables but those vegetables can be a ton of things. In my recipe, I use onions, broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots. Other vegetables can be used and I will include that in my recipe. Please let me know if I can post the recipe or not. Thanks. --[[User:Mattwj2002|Mattwj2002]] ([[User talk:Mattwj2002|talk]]) 05:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :If it is your own version of a recipe, then you can include it. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 16:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == Merge RfU into RfD? == It hasn't got any action for ages, so I think it's best to keep them both in a single page. On that bar on to the '[[WB:RFD|Deletion]] | [[WB:RFU|Undeletion]]' can be changed to '[[WB:RFD|Deletion]] | [[WB:RFD#U|Undeletion]]'. Thoughts? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC) : Although RFU is very lightly used, RFD is fairly heavily used &mdash; and because of that heavy use, I'm inclined to oppose complicating the currently very simple TOC structure of [[WB:RFD]]. If the two pages were to be combined, I'd hope it would be done in a way that didn't complicate the TOC structure. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC) ::The only way it could be done would be like [[Wikibooks:Featured books/Nominations]], with the more-active deletion section at the bottom, so when people click the "new section" button, it defaults to the bottom of the "for deletion" section. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC) :::I think Adrignola's idea is great. I think the TOC won't be much affected. After all, the RfUs don't really get much attention so one would focus on the top part. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC) ::::On consideration, I support this idea. Put the active section RFD at the bottom, and the seldom-used section RFU above. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :::::[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == A thought experiment == Suppose that we had [[w:Jostein Gaarder|User:Josteingaarder]] as a member of Wikibooks. Should he attempt to write [[w:Sophie's World|Sophie's World]] here, would we accept it as being within project scope? (P.S.: 1. Since this isn't a realistic scenario anyway, focus on the supporting arguments instead of just on the final answer. 2. In case you didn't read the book you may find skipping the spoilers/plot summary a good idea...) --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 14:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC) :[[WB:WIW#Wikibooks_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_text_repository|What is Wikibooks?]] states very succinctly that "Wikibooks does not allow original works of fiction or literature". -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 16:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::I am not trying to cast into doubt the worth of that policy (or even to claim that having that sort of book would be a good idea), but rather promote reflection on the rationales behind it - or, in other words, expand on the "very succinctly". For instance, a possible (if not necessarily valid) counter-argument in this case would be that the fictional elements in Sophie's World are to a large extent a didactic tool meant to support what is in essence a historical overview of philosophy. In fact, it is quite reasonable to use the chapters of the book as if they were part of an introductory philosophy textbook (assuming that you have gone through the whole book at least once, so that you don't get too distracted by the fictional elements). In fact, the book even has a back-of-the-book index to facilitate such usage. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 00:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::A common statement I've heard made for content at Wikibooks is that if something could feasibly be a textbook for teaching a class on a subject, then it can belong here. The recent targeting of books in the religion, philosophy, and self improvement categories highlight some of the more vulnerable areas here. While Wikibooks may not be as stringent on citations and references, at least the appearance of reliability is desired. Fiction is not verifiable. :::From my standpoint, for such a book as that described above to work in teaching philosophy, narratives illustrating various points would need to be made to be sidebars or separated from the rest of the text (italics, a box, etc.). Fictional accounts to illustrate a point would not be unheard of in a textbook; one I'm studying from right now has scenarios made up to demonstrate concepts. But like my textbook, a book based off Sophie's World could not be primarily fiction. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 00:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC) ::::While "no original research" is one of the big, loud principles of this project, I think there is also another subtler, complementary meta-principle at work behind the scenes in this case. Wikibooks aspires to '''collaborative substance''' &mdash; not just superficial things like spelling corrections and wiki markup and such. If the material is ''inherently'' driven by a primary author, then something is out of balance. This meta-principle can be sensed, I think, beneath the surface of several items in [[WB:NOT]], never perhaps as the primary motivation of any one item, but contributing to the unity of the whole nonetheless. It's my understanding that collaborative fiction efforts in recent years always involve a moderator of some sort, because wide-open collaborative fiction was tried in the earlier years of the Internet and failed to produce coherence (though I seem to recall some of it was pretty funny). So fiction implies a centralized model of authoring; and while NOR may be the most obvious force behind the prohibition against works of fiction, collaborative substance has its place in the rhyming scheme of the policy, too. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::::I don't clearly understand the level of emphasis you are putting in "Wikibooks aspires to '''collaborative substance'''". But by the rest of the post, I take that you feel that it is a bad thing/objectionable for (in general) a project on Wikibooks to be driven by a primary author (or evolve in a any type of hierarchical structure). Because you see it as an indication of lack of collaboration. :::::I think that this extreme view is erroneous in several ways and can lead into misunderstanding if promoted to the community. I clearly understand the issues regarding control and establishing hierarchies and mostly object to any move to establish them, having said that, we must also realize that such things work in degrees and aren't absolute terms, there are spheres of interests that are in themselves of reduced participation. We already have some hierarchies on Workbooks and we already exert some levels of control, the real issue it only in keeping the two apart and enforce consensus. :::::In the first place "aspires to" doesn't create an obligation and most importantly, collaboration can't be enforced on a volunteer basis. This should be obvious to all (but taking in consideration past discussion it isn't) :::::Collaboration should be promoted at all times and refusal to enable the participation of others should be meet harsh criticism if not part of already established rules. But collaboration is a lower priority, we could even say a byproduct of the system. Considering the requirements and particularities of Wikibooks, the history of the project, Wikibooks is after Wikisource one of the projects less dependent on collaboration, nor is this bad or good, it just is. :::::Promoting collaboration as a goal is fine but as a requirement is just false, we have ample profs of it. We could even argue that too much collaboration can become interference and has been a cause problems but that is another discussion. I just wanted to offer a counterbalance the above post. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::Aspirations do not a policy make. Verily. But recognition of aspirations can be enlightening. And yes, I too have noticed how easily people can fail to notice that they're trying to mandate volunteerism. My intent was to focus not on arrangements that happen to occur in a book, but those that are '''inherent''' in the nature of the book. ::::::If I write a travelogue about my experiences in hiking across the Andes, then it's ''inherent'' in the premise of the book that only I can determine valid substance for it, though someone else might help with mechanics and formatting. That one's called "original research", and probably belongs on a blog. ::::::If I write a book that's the unadorned text of Locke's ''Essay Concerning Human Understanding'', then valid substance is determined by the original ''Essay'', leaving only superficial work for others, including me this time. That one's called "text repository", and presumably belongs on Wikisource. ::::::But, if I write a book about the use of quaternions in physics, and a few other people help out a little work on it but they all defer to my vision of how the book should be &mdash; and halfway through the book I get run over by a bus, but I left the book with enough suggestion of where I was going with it to be useful to someone else wishing to adopt it later &mdash; then maybe months or years later someone else will pick up that book and recast it somewhat for their vision that's different from mine, and they'll push forward and others who help out will defer to them. There was one primary author, and that may in fact have been an asset by giving the book a clear direction, but it wasn't objectionable (as long as it was voluntary on everyone's part) because the identity of the primary author wasn't ''inherent'' in the nature of the book. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 07:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::}} Just as a curious question: Is this post supposed to be related to the Rfd of [[Lohse, Martin]]? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :I have been approaching this thread as an exploration of deep principles underlying WB:WIW. I didn't have Lohse, Martin specifically in mind. In fact, actually contemplating the way my (clumsily articulated) "collaborative substance" meta-principle relates to that specific case, I have a feeling... it doesn't illuminate that specific case at all. Trying to apply it there may actually make the case harder to think about. Interesting. The difficulty may be that the meta-principle, as a contributing element in the formation of the policies themselves, is at a different level of abstraction from the policies. As if one were discussing whether roses are out of place in a certain flower garden, and in the midst of talking about color schemes and seasonal patterns one tried to bring electrons into the discussion. Also, the single meta-principle alone may be producing an unbalanced picture because, at its level of abstraction, there are other meta-principles involved that are not being taken into account. Even the policies that it contributes to are not only about it. WB:NOR, WB:HOST, etc. aren't just refinements of "collaborative substance". --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC) ::Interesting arguments, from all of you. While, strictly speaking, I do not see any original research in Sophie's World (which would be the case if Gaarder tried to present a novel philosophical system - whether using fiction as a tool or not), the "collaborative substance" issue is certainly pertinent. The objection Panic raised to that concept is an important one to think about. A proper textbook must have internal consistence, logical articulation between its chapters and, in most cases, a well-defined didactic approach. Such features demand that all co-authors share an unified vision of how to build the book. But wouldn't that work against the "collaborative substance" principle, given that the unified vision is in nearly all cases set by a single main author or by a small group of people? Is Wikibooks a paradox? ::The solution to that dilemma, which had been bothering me for a while, is implicit in Pi zero's travelogue/repository/quarternions example. An unified vision can coexist with full-fledged collaborative writing as long as that vision can be expressed '''objectively'''. A travelogue can't possibly fit WIW because the vision of the traveller is too strongly based on subjective elements (his experiences and feelings during the trip) and subjectivity is by definition something difficult to share and argue about, especially through the Internet. To a slightly lesser extent, that would apply to a full-fledged fictional work as well (although, back to the hypothetical example, I do not think it would be entirely unreasonable to think of people writing new Sophie/Alberto dialogues about philosophers not covered by the original book, kinda like in a "fanfic". But I digress). ::The key "meta-principle" at hand, therefore, would be that '''it must be possible to state objectively the principles, goals and conventions behind the composition of a Wikibook.''' Such a principle is indeed clearly distinct from other foundational issues such as "openness to collaboration", or concrete policies like "no original research". My take on the "levels of abstraction" issue is that the more we are able to think, and write policies, in terms of meta-principles the better. ::P.S.: This provocation has a bit to do with all the RfDs on humanities and arts we had over the last few weeks. That includes Lohse, Martin too, although subjectivity is not really a fundamental issue in that case (in principle it ''should'' be possible to discuss the works of Martin Lohse in an objective way). Also, it is important to realize that even with a strong meta-principle there are many subtle points that make decisions difficult. For instance, even things that we would intuitively assume as objective can be developed by an author in a way that they become indistinguishable from subjectivity for future contributors. See [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion#Beginning_Mathematics]] for a clear example of that. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 21:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::Let me begin by warning that I'm only 12, and most probably the youngest of Wikibooks regulars (though if I'm not, do tell me! :) I'm turning 13 in 4 months btw.) Besides, I am a non-native speaker and I'm not familiar with Western culture. Therefore I may not be able to explain this 'philosophy' in a rational way. However, my opinion would be that if a book is written in a style that would otherwise be impossible to be followed by others, that book wouldn't be a good one. That's because we are writing for our readers; making a book too obscure, especially a textbook, will make the reader confused when the reader comes across things that are closer to the 'norm'. As for the OR thing, I think it's pretty straightfoward: If it's unverifiable, delete it. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC) :What comes to my mind is [[w:Logicomix|Logicomix]]. In many ways it sounds similar to Sophie's world, but it goes in the other direction. That is it is meant to use actual history and philosophy to create "a good yarn." Rather then intending to teach, it is meant to entertain. But you might not be left with that impression reading it. While I find these books approach creative and clever. I don't think they are appropriate for wikibooks. Mostly because if I encountered such a book it would never be clear to me if facts were being change to support the fiction or vice versa. Generally, I think Sophie's world falls outside if what I find verifiable. (I am guessing, having not read the book). : Also generally speaking I do think books here need to have a high degree of "collaborative substance". I generally think the scenario that Pi Zero sets out is a fine example of what it could mean. Though I would caution an editor against starting a book with a very unusual point of view on a subject, I would by no means think anything should stand in their way, but Beginning Mathematics has made me less optimistic about such books. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == Reject ArbCom proposal == See [[Wikibooks talk:Arbitration Committee]]. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Handbook of Management Scales/Executive Commitment]] == I wonder if anyone could please remove [[Handbook of Management Scales/Executive Commitment]] to [[Handbook of Management Scales/Executive commitment]] (small c!) and also change the link to that page. [[Special:Contributions/92.225.83.175|92.225.83.175]] ([[User talk:92.225.83.175|talk]]) 07:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :{{doing}} [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC) :{{done}}. Next time just go ahead, create an account, and after 4 days you'll be able to move the page. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == download pdf not working? == i'm trying to download a book in pdf, it do'snt seem to be working help? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ydnar1957|Ydnar1957]] ([[User talk:Ydnar1957|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ydnar1957|contribs]]) </span></small> :Are you trying to save it via a [[Help:Collections|collection]] or from a File:blah.pdf page? You can usually right-click on certain links and choose to save the file to your desktop. If you can be more specific on which PDF you're trying to download, I can be more specific in my answer. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 18:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC) == Software Books and software versions == This is an opportunity to stop a potentially major problem before it becomes one. As I [[Talk:Inkscape/Interface|very recently posted]] on a talk page for [[Inkscape]] (a piece of software that is continually undergoing heavy development) nowhere in the book does it mention what ''version'' of the software is being referenced. I checked around some of the other software books (especially those in [[:Category:Open_source_software]]) and have found very few examples of any guidelines or procedures (trying very hard not to use the word 'policy' here) with respect to software versions. [[GIMP/Manual_Of_Style#Comments]] comes close (and is pretty much the ''very last'' line in the entire book) but there is still no outwardly obvious way for the end user to tell if a particular page is for one version or another of the software. This can obviously lead to problems (as in the mentioned Inkscape) when a new version comes out, but pages are not updated. The problems are further compounded by the fact that a new version coming out doesn't invalidate the work for the ''old version'', and complicated still when some features change significantly, some nearly invisibly, and some not at all, so a page may ''appear'' to be valid for the current version, when in reality it was written for a previous version and the implementation has changed slightly enough to make the page incorrect and even possibly appear deceptive. Since such books make up a significant portion of the total content on WB, I think we need to come up with some guidelines for maintaining these books with respect to different software versions. It seems like way too much work to actually maintain a separate version of each book for each separate version of the software (compounded moreso by minor revisions). Categorization might be appropriate here but doesn't solve the problem of keeping around an older, but valid version of the page for older versions. Perhaps something can be done with [[Help:Revision review|RR]] to allow ''multiple'' valid, reviewed versions. I'm not sure what the best solution actually is, but that's what the discussion is for, right? [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 02:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC) :I'm adding my first suggestion as a response (as the original post was getting lengthy). At the very least, as a stopgap measure, pages should use a template (as appropriate for the book) with the version number that the individual page is intended to cover, and perhaps a link to a "software versions" page with sections on each version covered by the book, and in the case of free/open source software an appropriate download link. In the event of major version changes (e.g. in the case of OpenOffice 2 vs. 3) a new book is probably more appropriate anyway. This could probably be accomplished by a single template if editors on different books can come to a consensus on a software versions page and adhere to a standard. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 02:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC) ::Have you seen that software book at [[WB:RfD]]? You might want to comment there. ;) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC) ::Displaying clearly version information for software books would make a good editorial guideline. I don't know if multiple stable versions would work well (personally, I find FlaggedRevs to be confusing enough to start with), but standardized templates could really help to make things more transparent. The one observation I would make at this point is that the text in the templates shouldn't necessarily read like a deprecation warning, but rather like a plain notice - old books can sometimes be very useful as long as you are aware of how much it is outdated. Finally, I feel the need for having new books for major revisions should be evaluated case-by-case, but in general even in major version changes it is possible to build on the existing content (the example which springs to my mind is Java 1.4 -> 1.5 -> 1.6). If some page does become deprecated it can be moved into some "Legacy" section of the existing book. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 21:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC) :::There are multiple versions of flagged revisions; they include, ''pristine'', ''quality'', and ''sighted''. I've only seen the latter two possible to review in our configuration, however, and the drop-down selectors don't outwardly correspond to those values. ("Featured quality" equals ''quality'' and is only available to ''reviewers'', anything below is equal to ''sighted'' and available to ''editors''. By default, the latest reviewed revision is shown to logged-out users, but administrators can change that to show draft revisions by default (effectively turning off flagged revisions for the page) or showing quality revisions by default (requiring a ''reviewer'' to sign off on changes and setting the bar higher than an ''editor''). The nomenclature is all out of whack, as everyone can edit pages and even ''editors'' get a "review" link in recent changes, plus in a page history, ''sighted'' shows as "sighted" but ''quality'' shows as "validated". And the three different areas (composition, area, coverage) are rarely differentiated between when sighting a page; usually the defaults of the lowest reviewed level are selected. We have a consistent two-month backlog at [[Special:OldReviewedPages]], no matter how lenient we make the qualifications for "editors". The only good news is that the names "editors" and "reviewers" can be changed by administrators in the interface messages [[MediaWiki:Group-editor-member]], [[MediaWiki:Group-editor]], [[MediaWiki:Group-reviewer-member]], and [[MediaWiki:Group-reviewer]]. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC) ::::Come to think of it there's one thing that's always seemed a little problematic to me and that's comparing wikibooks to published books. Aside from a static PDF print version there's no real way to have a complete stable copy of a book from any one point in time. Using transcludes works if you want a full copy of the ''current'' book, but, aside from using subst: and maintaining several pages of those per book, it doesn't seem like something that would be very easy to keep up with (with the wiki software as-is). However we have to work with what we are given so here's my '''proposal''': ::::# Book editors/managers should explicitly state what version a book is for, either on the book's front page or on one of the first pages of the book. ::::# Books should only cover one major version of a piece of software. Minor versions/updates can be dealt with in footnotes/infoboxes of some kind (something like a "'''Note:''' In version x.4 it works like this..." in a book which is substantially about version x.5). ::::#* Books covering minor versions/updates should keep the most recent version in the main text and differences from unupdated versions as side notes. ::::# Major version changes (for example, FL Studio 8 vs. FL Studio 9) should be separate books. Barring changes to the wikimedia software, this seems like the only way to really have separate complete "editions" of a book. If the changes between major versions are not very large (e.g. the fundamental operation of the software is essentially the same) then a static version could be made with subst: inclusions, but this makes correcting errors difficult, and all pages of a book must be up-to-date with the old version and not yet updated for the new version. ::::This proposal is meant to affect existing books as little as possible while providing easy-to-follow guidance for new books. I'm not too attached to how #4 works right now, so if anyone has a better idea I'm all ears. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 20:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC) :::::While I am not opposed to anything in your proposal, it may be a bit too strict to call it a guideline. Perhaps it could become one of our [[:Category:Wikibooks essays|essays]] which provide information about good practices and the like. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::What about an addition to the [[Wikibooks:Manual of Style]], regarding books covering software... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::That would be a good start. In other thoughts, it's not like there isn't precedent for making stable copies through substitution (some print versions already do that) but the difficult part would be keeping things up to date especially if errors needed to be corrected, and you lose wiki-navigation (although anchor links could still be used). It's just frustrating at this point because there's no way to work within the existing software to come up with a better way to do this, and my main goal is to keep it simple enough for book managers to keep up with. Pretty much every idea requires a good amount of work every time a page gets major changes, and even more if the software gets an upgrade. I think a lot of these issues, however, delve into book-by-book policy levels of detail, so I think the best thing to do now is to just dive in and start implementing it in practice to see how it works out. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 09:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:WikiProject Languages]] == I would like to restart the inactive languages project. I personally think it's a shame that some potentially good learning resources have been left half finished for so long. Anyone who wants to be involved, name on project page and we'll se how we go. [[User:Italienmoose|Italienmoose]] ([[User talk:Italienmoose|talk]]) 15:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC) :I added my comments on [[Wikibooks talk:WikiProject Languages]]. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 10:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC) == strange lines near math displays. == I have recently noticed some strange horizontal and vertical lines appearing around the mathematics png generated by texvc. Am I the only one seeing this (ie is it a user/browser issue)? Here is an example of what I mean [[:File:Strange_lines.png]]. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 19:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC) :Just for others to check, the page in question is [[Linear Algebra/Topic: Projective Geometry]]. I've tested it myself with Firefox and Chrome and am unable to reproduce the lines in the picture. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 21:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC) :I use to see that happen with scaled images sometimes in older versions of firefox regardless of website. I'm not seeing that problem now though. The problem could be with an image rendering library used by firefox rather than firefox itself as well. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC) ::'''Short update and work around.''' While I am still encountering this problem, it seems to be related to how "zoomed in"/"zoomed out" I am in firefox. That is the lines appear/disappear as I cycle through different zoom levels by pressing "CTRL +" and "CTRL -". By returning to the natural zoom level (by pressing "CTRL 0") the problem disappears. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :::I did check when you first reported the issue and looked at it again now. I also use firefox (last release version), I increased and decreased the zoom and didn't noticed any issue (then and now). If no one can replicate the problem try checking your drivers for the video card (update) or any alteration you have done there and work your way up. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :::: Unfortunately it is listed as a "Known Issue" in the latest version of Firefox and seems to have been around for a while, but it only effects those users running Linux. It looks like it is slated to be fixed for Firefox 4. For anyone interested in following the bug, the bug report is listed [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468496 here]. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC) == Syntax higlightning tuning (for Haskell) == The default GeSHi colour scheme for Haskell highlights literal strings with a hideously unreadable dark green background, as you can see, for instance, [[Haskell/Type_basics#Types prevent errors|here]]. Could an admin please change it into something more reasonable? As far as I could figure out, adding .source-haskell .st0 {background-color: #cdffcd !important } to [[MediaWiki:Geshi.css]] will change it into a far less obtrusive light green (I tested it on my user .css and it worked). --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 04:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done'''. I've made the change. I trust the choice doesn't conflict with any other highlighting within the same language. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC) == Inappropriate userpages? == Once in a while, some users use their own userspace for myspace-like material. They may put their own personal profile or some kind of spam on their userpage. However, these actions cannot be justified as those users usually have no other edits. Should such userpages be nominated for deletion? If so, does it qualify for CSD, or will an RfD do? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :There is no consistent practice on that regard. I have for several times (IIRC 2x) cleared some offensive or clearly abusive page (like recently the use of a talk page for something that it wasn't designed for), I and others have also fixed some personal data, and warned users for the fact that they should be careful on what they share about themselves. :Except for clearly abusive content (offensive) I don't think that the userspace should be censored regarding support/attack to products or companies (without being clearly promotional or used for marketing campaigns). I would specially see as extremely problematic not differentiating users that do actual work on the project and those that do not. I would grant a higher leeway to those that active participate... :See this discussions [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/User:Indiaebooks]] [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion/Archive_12#User:Swapnil_durgade User:Swapnil_durgade], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archive_34#Allowing_Userspace_Blogging.3F Allowing Userspace Blogging?]. :It has been several times repeated that we don't allow blogs on the userspace here, but that view was not based in practice or gathered consensus (IIRC Jimbo Wales even promoted the practice). I think we don't need more policies or guidelines to establish what is acceptable on the userspace. The policies and guidelines we have, already determine what is acceptable behavior on the project and an RfD will suffice to address any problematic issues with I expect some consistency (we can always use previous discussions as supporting arguments). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 06:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :: I think any user page you find inappropriate can be brought up at Rfd. It never hurts to encourage other people in the community to look at it and see what they think. I personally don't think user pages dedicated to spam are tolerable. Other issues are a bit murkier and tougher to decided. I seem to recall the "myspace-ness" of some user pages coming up when people were doing a vast cleanup of images here, but I can't remember what the outcome was or even if I am remembering correctly, maybe someone else will remember (Adrignola, did you start a discussion about images on user pages at some point or is my memory still too sleep deprived to be trusted?). It seems to be the case that some of the books are based on university classes, and this classes strongly encourage (perhaps even ''require?!?!'', I will with hold my opinion about this) students to start an account here and work on the book. Since not all students to their assigned course work, and less do their suggested course work, this create a number of users who just have a user page and a few edits to it near the beginning of their course. Because of the large group of editors this creates with little or no exposure to culture on a wiki, I think we should be lenient about some things. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC) :::Many of my comments on the issue are at the RFD linked above. I will say that I believe common sense should reign, in that if a user's only edit is to create a page that is blatantly spam, I'm not going to waste people's time with an RFD. I don't believe I started a full-blown discussion on images on user pages, but now that we're uploading to Commons, the policy there is that they only accept images that are educational. Pictures of yourself would not necessarily be such. However, they have an exception for those images used on a user page (see [[commons:Template:Userpageimage]]). Abusing that by linking 50 from your user page to use Commons as a host for images linked elsewhere would be frowned upon. As for the content of user pages, I leave that up to the user. If you want barnstars and userboxes on your page, feel free; it's your page and the impression you're managing. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC) == Strange things in [[Special:RecentChanges]] == It might be something I accidentally set on my preferences or my browser, but why did I start to see [pending edits] and [urneviewed] in brackets while RC patrolling? Mysterious. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 04:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :That would be [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Technical Assistance#FlaggedRevs update on June 14|this]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 04:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::If you sight all the pages you won't have to see those tags. More invasive than the exclamation point, these tags encourage editors and reviewers to pitch in. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:01, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == [[AQA A-Level Physics]] == With all due respect to anyone who contributed to these pages, most of them are pretty poor. The pages on particle physics that I looked at this morning were riddled with errors and grammar that's so bad that even the most straight forward facts seemed confusing. I think that these pages could be a great resource for A-Level students (Having a free alternative to the textbooks sold by the exam board's chosen publishers would also be a big plus!), but no teacher in the land is going to direct their students to these pages as they stand. I made a start on some of the pages, but the sheer volume of work that would be required to develop the existing stuff into an accurate and comprehensive resource is such that I really don't want to get started, only to have to leave everything half finished. Is anyone else interested in developing these pages? [[User:MalachiK|MalachiK]] ([[User talk:MalachiK|talk]]) 18:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC) :Have you considered working on the [[A-level_Physics|OCR A-Level Physics]] book instead? That looks like it has progressed further than this one. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 20:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC) ::You're right, and it seems that there's more activity there as well. I was interested in the AQA book because this the specification that I teach - although I do wonder if there's a call for any general A-Level Physics book in the style of Muncaster or Nelkon & Parker. Does anyone know if this has been discussed anywhere? Anyway, I'll take a look at the OCR stuff some time and see if there's anything that needs doing. [[User:MalachiK|MalachiK]] ([[User talk:MalachiK|talk]]) 22:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC) Is there any chance that someone could approve the edits that I made over a month ago on these pages? I annoys me to see such badly written copy giving the project a bad name and even though I've edited it - it doesn't change. And this is a policy to improve quality? [[User:MalachiK|MalachiK]] ([[User talk:MalachiK|talk]]) 09:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :Hi, since no one is around watching the articles who can speak to accuracy etc., I have removed the previous flagged revision at [[AQA A-Level Physics/Particles and Anti-particles/Constituents of the particle]] so now all changes should be immediately visible to all viewers. Your other pages had been sited by someone else before I arrived. We have quite a backlog in our [[Special:OldReviewedpages]], so this seemed the most sensible option. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == FlaggedRevs update on June 14 == Hi everyone! As part of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pending_changes Pending Changes] feature rollout on en.wikipedia.org on 2010-06-14, we'll need to update the implementation of FlaggedRevs plugin that is in use on this wiki. We don't ''anticipate'' any problems or any reduction in functionality, but as with any new software, there may be unanticipated bugs. If you discover any problems, please report those changes at [http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Pending_Changes_issues the Pending Changes issue page]. Thanks! -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 23:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :As far as I was aware, the implementation proposed at en.wiki is significantly different from flagged revisions as we know it; hence Wikipedia's is flagged protection. I was under the impression that the version to be implemented at en.wiki only turned on for pages specifically selected by administrators, while here it's only turned ''off'' for pages administrators choose. In fact, that's why I thought they changed the name for en.wiki, in that the extension would be unique to en.wiki. I hope you've actually taken a look at how we're setup here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 00:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC) :: The way that Wikimedia wikis work in production, we roll out a plugin to one wiki, we roll it out to all of them. There's been a lot of changes made to make the plugin work for English Wikipedia. The main developer (Aaron Schulz) is quite aware of the different uses, and is pretty confident that this rollout shouldn't affect the other configurations, but I wanted to make sure we gave everyone fair warning that this change ''might'' affect the functioning of this wiki, only because it's impossible to test every permutation of functionality before rolling it out. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 00:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC) :::Agree it is difficult to test every permutation, but equally there are only a handful of larger projects using FlaggedRevs (as I understand it), of which this is one of the biggest. So I'd hope the configuration used here was part of the testing... [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 08:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Just for the record: a couple hours ago I got a database error which mentioned PendingChanges while trying to edit a sighted page. The problem silently vanished after two minutes or so. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 03:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: On a perhaps related note: I have been attempting to sight [[Calculus/Print version]]. Unfortunately I keep getting errors each time I try. I think the problem is fundamentally that the page is too long and is somehow causing timeouts. I have encountered this type of problem before, but don't know of a work around yet. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Hi there, we're primarily testing the German Wikipedia configuration and the English Wikipedia configuration, which represents the two very different configurations. If you'd like to set up a test site of your own, the configuration files for the various wikis is here: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 17:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Is there a way to configure the way your watchlist displays in the new flagged revs? I find the [unreviewed] and [pending] edits much more obtrusive than the red "!". The fact that the red ! still appears along with this new system is definitely overkill. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 06:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I have to agree with Thenub. I still prefer the exclamation mark. Makes it simpler. KISS. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC) == [[Template:FBN warning]] == [[Template:FBN warning]]. Per 33roger's proposal earlier. If it's redundant, will an admin please delete it? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 06:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Turn off "unreviewed" markers for a specific wikibook? == My watchlist screams at me that most changes to the [[Haskell]] are unreviewed. However, I consider this a "bug", not a "feature". In my opinion, the formal review system is way too fine grained to deal with current edit patterns; how am I supposed to judge the quality of a spell change or a change to part of a text that I'm not too comfortable with anyway? My criterion for inclusion is always "does no harm", and I check periodically for that. Can we turn the review system off, at least for the Haskell wikibook? -- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 08:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I think you are referring to the one a couple of sections up. It's messing up the RC! [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Ah, I didn't know about the discussion above. ::But I don't want the red exclamation marks either: I don't want the feature at all because it doesn't make contributing simpler or better, at least not for the Haskell wikibook. ::-- [[User:Apfelmus|apfe<b>&lambda;</b>mus]] 09:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I like the red exclamation mark. It clearly shows which edits are already approved so you don't need to go check it again. Isn't that great, no? Perhaps if you aren't a regular RC patroller you might find it annoying, so perhaps if there's a script you could put in your monobook that disables the function, that would be good. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC) For what it is worth we are not the only folks who dislike this aspect of the interface, it seems wikinews, and huwiki have also complained. See [http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Pending_Changes_issues##Unwanted_interface_changes_on_huwiki here] if you want to keep tabs on that conversation. I have added another section there mentioning some people here did not like the recent interface change. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I like the invasiveness. Not enough people participate in the system. As for the fine-grained-ness, I'd like to get a consensus on reversing the configuration to this wiki to return to the default of just having one drop-down selector for reviewing a page. I seriously doubt anyone fine-tunes the three different rating categories for pages they review. It's far easier to simply hit the Submit button using the defaults of the lowest-level for each of the drop-down menus. Cut it down to one drop-down, with a basic level editors can review to and an advanced level reviewers/admins can review to. That said, if everyone's ignoring the system ([[Special:OldReviewedPages]]), then maybe we should turn it off. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :: I believe 3 selectors is the default, just what is being measured was changed, unless the default has changed since I last looked. If we are going to change things, we could try simplifying it to one as you suggested, with something like a "Quality" selector with "Not reviewed/Unacceptable", "Minimal", "Average", and "Good". I imagine most people don't care to review books, but some books might want to have stable branches and this gives them the option. Nobody said that OldReviewedPages has to be checked. I think its just a case of people feeling compelled to do so because its there. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I agree that there should only be three states: ''unreviewed'', ''not vandalism,'' and ''undo/rolled-back'' (for vandalism). The bigger problem I see is that once a book gets flagged, only reviewers can sight it. For new books, or for school projects, this is a major hurdle. People make good-faith edits, and they are invisible. With a class project, the volume of edits can be so heavy that no single person who is unconnected with the project can keep up. Perhaps it would be better if it were a lot easier to become a reviewer (or is that editor - I can never remember the difference). The danger, of course, is that if it's too easy, vandals slip through. Maybe if a person got auto-promoted as soon as they had ''N'' edits that were approved by a reviewer? Again, I dunno! Or maybe admins should be more proactive in granting reviewer/editor privs? As in, "this person is doing legitimate work on a book; I will promote him/her." Another possibility would be to grant the privs on a per-book basis, but that is likely a code change rather than a settings-tweak. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::In the configuration file linked in the previous discussion (http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt), we can see that Wikibooks has a unique configuration override with three selectors. <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTags = array('composition' => 3, 'accuracy' => 2, 'coverage' => 2);</tt> instead of the default <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTags = array( 'accuracy' => 2 );</tt> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: Jomegat the problem with that is the extension doesn't work that way, the options are ratings not states. If you think of star ratings with 0 being bad and 5 stars being good then anything in between is somewhere between bad and good. In other words Minimal is better than Unreviewed, Average is better than Minimal, and Good is better than Average. IMO the extension wasn't designed with its actual use by users in mind, or the extension developers was going about solving the problem the wrong way. In any case if all that is wanted is to mark pages as being free of vandalism, this extension is overkill, because its like using a jackhammer when all that is needed to hammer in a nail is a hammer. Wikinews seems to show the ratings as stars now actually. ::::: Adrignola, That might be the Wikimedia wide defaults now. I was talking about [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php?revision=68055&view=markup Extension Defaults]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: I personally only use it for marking pages as free from vandalism. The traditional patrol approach would be more designed for that, but flagged revisions was already in place before I started here, so I made do. I've added CSS to the Common.css to hide the redundant marker for unreviewed pages in recent changes. Please clear your caches. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::: I think part of the problem is that the desire to use it as a patrol substitute by some people was only learned about after there was consensus to enabled it. FlaggedRevs isn't useful as a patrol substitute, so I agree that the traditional patrol approach is better designed for that job if all that is wanted is to mark pages as being free from vandalism. FlaggedRevs is useful for reviewing page quality with ratings that reflect the quality of a page, and was designed to show the best quality revision based on which revision has the highest rating at any moment in time. If the unreviewed/minimal/average/good system were used, a revision marked minimal will be shown before any unreviewed revisions, a revision marked average will be shown before any revision marked as minimal, and a revision marked as good will be shown before any revision marked as average. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::: I have to disagree with the last sentence, only on technical grounds. That's only the case if the default settings are altered by an administrator. Otherwise the latest reviewed revision, regardless of level of quality, is shown. That's what I take from the default stability settings page: [[:File:Revision configuration.png]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::: Come to think of it we might of changed a configuration for it to be that way as well. I recall that we asked to have auto review turned off, so the latest stable version would be shown unless someone intentionally reviews a revision of a page. I think the default for Wikibooks is to show a stable revision if there is one, but an administrator can alter it to show the latest instead. I know I had to do that for the Main Page. If the default has indeed changed to latest revision maybe someone changed the default for Wikibooks without telling us? Also btw registered users can override the wiki wide default in their preferences. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::: [[:File:En-wikinews review ui.jpg]] shows the difference in the UI. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:20, 15 June 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|:::::::::}} I think you might be confusing my terminology (also it seems as though you referred to an page with no reviewed revisions as "stable", which is contrary to my thinking). The default still is to show the latest reviewed revision to unregistered users and the latest revision regardless of whether it's reviewed to registered users. My point is that if you have a featured-quality revision followed by a minimal-quality revision, the minimal quality revision will be shown to unregistered users unless settings are changed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :: I'm not calling a page with no reviewed revisions "stable", the latest revision is just shown which is similar to how I thought FlaggedRevs worked when there are reviewed revisions. I was not aware that a minimal-quality revision would override a featured revision. I thought only a new featured revision could override a featured revision. Are you sure that an unregistered user will see minimal-quality revision when a featured revision exists? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::Darklama, the screenshot of Wikinews has nothing to do with FlaggedRevs. The object in the screenshot is the feedback form, which readers, not editors, use to comment on the news article. The 'comments' part go to the comments namespace of Wikinews where people express their feelings about the news event, not about the article. Also, you do not appear to have reviewer rights on Wikinews, which means you may not be able to see whatever Wikinews uses for FlaggedRevs. (Me neither, so I'll try to contact Pi zero.) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::See [[Flagged Revisions Test]]. In the history we have a higher-level quality revision ("featured" level, which only reviewers can bring it up to) followed by a lower-level quality revision (the base level an editor can bring it to). If you log out with the defaults in place, you'll see "'Sighted' revision". The higher-level quality revision states "'Featured' revision". Only when I changed the stability configuration on the page did I see the featured-quality revision when logged out. At that point the interface also complained about pending changes due to a lower-level revision following a higher-level one. With the defaults, it had no problem with a lower-level revision following the higher-level one. Additionally, I see that instead of "sighted" and "quality" as you saw in the screenshot I took, the history now labels them as "checked" and "approved" respectively. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I guess that lower quality revisions are shown can be good or bad depending on your perspective. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :I find the "!" useful, and I use out of date reviewed pages all the time to check for vandalism, etc. Agree that the multiple levels of review aren't very helpful though. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Ooooh I hadn't seen the mess in the RC when I made this comment. That interface change is horrible! [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I agree, the interface change ''is'' rather horrible. I didn't even see it until the first time I came over here after the change, though, because I was at Wikinews when it happened, and over there they fixed the things about it they didn't like so fast that I didn't notice the difference, and was only aware that they'd customized the new interface because I [[n:Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#FlaggedRevs update on June 14|read about it]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC) Another thing which bothers me about the new interface is the change to the stable version notices on the pages. What used be just a discrete notice on the right margin saying "Current revision: unreviewed" is now a prominent "There are no reviewed versions of this page, so it may '''not''' have been checked for adherence to standards.". Which standards? For books which do not use FlaggedRevs systematically (such as [[Haskell]]...) that is plain obtrusive, and even misleading. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 16:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC) : I have changed the default wording to read now "This page may need to be reviewed for quality". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::To get a short note in the right corner there is a preference "Edit Review" called "Use small icons and minimal text to show review status of pages" which may do what you'd like. But I am glad we have toned down the long form of the disclaimer. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 21:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :::I think it just reset preferences. I've always had the bar across the page for unreviewed pages and no bar for reviewed pages, and intentionally did not switch to the small version. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Thanks Thenub! In case someone hasn't noticed, apparently it seems like they will take away the [pending changes] and [unreviewed] because a lot of people hate them. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 01:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: :) Don't thank me yet, this option doesn't effect [pending changes] or [unreviewed] on my watchlist. But you may be noticing some changes [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] made to Mediawiki:Common.css. His changes initially took these loud flags out entirely, but (since some of the concern was mainly about the recent changes page?) he updated it so it only took them out of the RC list. For a while after he made the second change I still didn't see the flags on my watch list, it wasn't until I did a "hard reload" that the reappeared again. So maybe your browser has an old style sheet? Either way I have done nothing to take them away, he deserves thanks (and has mine) for getting them out of the RC list. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: Um, actually Thenub, I was thanking you for dropping a note about the preferences. :P Of course, we have Adrignola to thank as the bother is now reduced. :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::: Oops I somehow misread and thought you meant I was making these things go away. I can see now you meant the developers are changing the setup. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::Until then, I've also duplicated the code to apply it to the watchlist. Another hard reload/cache clear and you should be good there too. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::::Thanks Adrignola! RC is a lot clearer now! Almost as good as new! [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Does this history make sense? == Hi, I just (rather needlessly) rolled back the edits of an IP user that undid his own contributions. The idea was to allow the page to revert back it its previous sighted version without me sighting it. When I look at the edit history, I do not appear in the history, instead it shows up as the IP user who automatically sighted this page. [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Orthographic_Projections&action=history See here], has anyone else encountered strange behavior with rolling back to sighted revisions? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC) P.S. The edit doesn't show up under my contributions either, so it has effectively disappeared from the database. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :Sure you really edited that page? :) I do see the "automatically sighted" note, which would never happen for an IP user. Maybe you can clarify and list the steps to reproduce this, as I'm not entirely clear on what happened. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::Sure. I was working through the [[Special:OldReviewedpages]] page and noticed a page pending review that had a diff of size 0. I thought I could handle that, so I looked at the page. Some IP user had changed the word "thumb" to "thumbnail" in an image link, realized his mistake and changed it back to "thumb". I am rather anal, or at least picky, and don't like being listed as the person who sighted a page as quality unless I had read the page, so rather then sighting the page I went into the pages history, went to the IP users second edit and clicked roll back. I double checked the edit history to make sure everything went as I expected and I didn't see my name, but magically the IP user was listed as automatically having sighted the page. I don't know exactly how to reproduce it, but I suspect the following would work: # Find a nice reviewed page with the most current version flagged. # Log out # Edit the page # Edit the page again, restoring the original (I wouldn't try actually "undo"ing, just change it back) # Log back in. # Try to roll back your IP edits. --[[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :: Indeed this worked for me at [[Calculus/Volume]]. (oops just checkuser'ed myself :P) [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 23:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ut :::I've seen this too. Basically, I don't think you can do a rollback that doesn't make a change. MediaWiki sees what you're trying to do, says "yeah, yeah", and then politely ignores the "change" which is really no change at all. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC) ::::So, it's basically similar to a null edit to a page then. The "automatically checked" still shows up for the IP user, but since we ''know'' IP users can't have edits auto-reviewed, there's nothing to worry about. If it's still a problem, there's always [[bugzilla:|Bugzilla]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: Yes, I suppose it is a non-issue at the end of the day, though it would be nicer if non-edit was picked up earlier and the page never ended up needing to be "Reviewed". Thanks for hiding my IP, I wasn't really worried, but having been wikistalked once over at wikipedia maybe I really should be more careful. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 00:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == the audio template == At en.wiktionary the audio template is somehow configured to play off audio file while the page it is embedded on is still in full view. Here, at least in firefox, a new blank page appears while the file is playing. This is a major disadvantage for the language books. E.g. when listening to pronunciation files of larger text fragments it would be advantageous to have the text fragment still in view. Can the audio template be updated? Actually minus the rather bulky push button that wiktionary uses. That would probably clutter may language books rather badly. [[User:Jcwf|Jcwf]] ([[User talk:Jcwf|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :You'd want to use [[Template:Inline player]] for the same functionality as Template:Audio on Wiktionary. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 17:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC) == Bug in user contributions == Probably another issue related to the FlaggedRevs changes... it seems all main namespace edits in user contributions are being displayed as a blank line. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 16:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC) :Please clear your cache. I've fixed recent code added to Common.css designed to hide the [unreviewed] link to target that only and not the whole line in user contributions for pages that are not reviewed. The CSS class that was hiding the whole line is the one that gives the unreviewed pages in user contributions that tint. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC) How do you cite that you have accessed the information in one of the textbooks collection - APA style == WB: as a short form of Wikibooks: prefix == {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin-left:10px; text-align:center;" ! Prefix || Target |- | WB || 4 |- | WJ || 110 |- | JR || 110 |- | CAT || 14 |- | COOK || 102 |- | CB || 102 |- | SUB || 112 |- | SJ || 112 |} I don't know the technical issues, but in other projects, the abbreviation of the project plus a : points directly to the page of that namespace. For example WN:Style guide points to Wikinews:Style guide and WP:Assume good wraith points to Wikipedia:Assume good wraith. But in Wikibooks pages with the WB: prefis are considered part of the mainspace. Is there any way to change this to keep up with the other projects? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :Gain consensus on the community and submit a bug request. I support creating a ''WB'' namespace redirect to ''Wikibooks'', similar to how ''Project'' also redirects to ''Wikibooks''. It will be necessary to handle the shortcuts already in place prefixed with ''WB'' once that change is made. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :Yes using [[mw:Manual:$wgNamespaceAliases|$wgNamespaceAliases]]. I support adding $wgNamespaceAliases = array('WB' => NS_PROJECT, 'WJ' => 110, 'CAT' => 14, 'COOK' => 102); That will also add aliases for Wikijunior ([[Special:PrefixIndex/WJ:|WJ]]), Category ([[Special:PrefixIndex/CAT:|CAT]]), and Cookbook ([[Special:PrefixIndex/COOK:|COOK]]). --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC) ::Wouldn't 'CB' be preferable to 'COOK'? Seems more in line with the others... --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 19:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :::I like that idea and would prefer it myself. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 21:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :::COOK was suggested as a no-brainier, so most people would know what it means just by looking at it. "Jr." is a common abbreviation for Junior which could arguably also justify using <tt>'JR' => 110</tt> for Wikijunior instead for a similar reason. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :Kayau as soon as you get the feeling of the community remember to formalize it into a clear proposal (at this time it will include 2 items; the WB abbreviation and changing COOK to CB) and ask for the placement of a general announcement. I don't see anyone objecting to the proposed changes but wait a bit for more input (7 days). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC) I like the idea of having these shortcuts (WB, WJ, CAT, CB) as redirects to the real namespaces. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]22:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC) :This sounds like a fine idea to me, with one exception, why are we leaving the subjects namespace out? Maybe it should be S or SJ? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC) :We don't have to pick and choose. Several aliases can be made for the namespaces. I've summarized the desired prefixes listed here so far in the table to the right. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC) ::Is there a way to see all the existing alias (a partial one can be seen in [[Special:SiteMatrix]]). There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies or at least not one scheme covers all the projects systematically. For instance we have [[[[s:]]]] for Wikisource but not [[[[WS:]]]] and [[[[v:]]]] for Wikiversity but not [[[[WV:]]]], we already have [[[[w:]]]] and [[[[W:]]]] for Wikipedia working and we are proposing to add [[[[WJ]]]] but not [[[[j:]]]] and why is [[[[wikt:]]]] in place of [[[[t:]]]] ? ::If there aren't any collisions the schemes should be fully extended to cover all projects consistently. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC) :::I don't think the current state of affairs is inconsistent. One-letter abbreviations go to sister projects (which are probably the more common external links in book writing proper), while 2+ letter abbreviations link to Wikibooks namespaces. [[wikt:]] is rather strange, indeed, and [[t:]] (or even [[d:]]) could be used alongside it. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I don't think t: is a good idea. In the future, some lazy bones may want to use T: as a shortcut to a very popular talk page (a good example is [[w:T:TDYK]] in Wikipedia). [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Added "SUB" and "SJ" as possible aliases for Subject. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 11:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: To comment on Kayau's idea, I think using t: for talk pages would be a bad idea. Under the "call a spade a spade" philosophy, lazy bones at wikibooks should be using d: or D: for discussion pages (let's have a little project pride and use our own names for things). I also like the idea of linking t: to wikitionary to be more inline with links like w: and v:. The one letter for sister projects seems seems rather consistent otherwise. I suspect wikimedia folks didn't want to do this globally because it stepped on the toes of wikipedia and their talk pages. Of course wikipedia is the big fish, so it is clear why there is just one exception.<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> {{outdent|::::::}} Panic says after we reach consensus after a while, I should 'formalize it into a clear proposal'. How can I do that? I have never used Bugzilla before. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :I'll add it to Bugzilla when we get consensus. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC) {{hiddenh3|Proposal}} {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin-left:10px; text-align:center;" ! Prefix || Target |- | WB || Wikibooks |- | WJ || Wikijunior |- | COOK || Cookbook |- | CAT || Category |- | SUB || Subject |} We propose to add <tt>$wgNamespaceAliases = array('WB' => 4, 'WJ' => 110, 'CAT' => 14, 'COOK' => 102, 'SUB' => 112);</tt> to the wiki configuration to create aliases to current namespaces using abbreviations. They are listed to the right. Discussion occurs above. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :Revised per Pi zero's comments below, with one prefix per namespace. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 17:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ::Submitted as [[bugzilla:24042|bug 24042]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC) :::Now implemented. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 21:45, 19 June 2010 (UTC) {{hiddenh4|Namespaces Support}} * &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * as amended (withdrawing my opposition below). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC) *--[[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * as amended --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 21:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * as amended --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 21:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC) * As nom, also agree with Pi zero about multiple shortcuts. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC) {{hiddenh4|Namespaces Oppose}} * (Objection has been addressed by amendment, so I'm not opposed to the amended proposal. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC))<br/> <s>I '''strongly oppose''' this in its current form.</s> I was actually in the process of writing a rather long post <s>on why I think that in its present form this would cause irreparable harm</s>. (As usual, I spent too long writing it and missed the moment.) If we eliminate JR, CB, and SJ, I would support. I'll try to cut down my long-winded comments and post some further explanation here in a little while. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :Executive summary: We don't want the long-term consequences of having created multiple shortcuts for a given namespace. :Creation of these things is irreversible. Once people start to use a namsepace shortcut, it will quickly become impossible to retract it &mdash; although a bot could fix the problem on Wikibooks, and perhaps likewise on its sister projects (in theory, at least), namespace shortcuts are especially likely to be used ''across the entire web'', with about as much chance of undoing it as undoing the introduction of [[w:Kudzu#Ecological invasion|Kudzu in the southeastern US]]. :Off hand I can think of a couple of reasons for us to regret being unable to reverse such shortcuts. The most immediate is that different people using different shortcuts for the same namespace will make any large body of material that mixes styles harder to read (from individual pages up to and including Wikibooks as a whole). Also, on a scale of years, namespaces change. For example, Wikijunior might remain just as it is for ever more, or it might change in ways we simply can't foresee &mdash; and that's kind of the point. It's in the nature of such things that we often ''can't'' anticipate specifically what will happen, so we ought to be minimizing the likelihood that what we do now will become a stumbling block for future developments. In this case, that liklihood is very roughly proportional to the number of short namespace shortcuts we create now. :Of the multiple-choice shortcuts proposed, I submit that WJ is vastly to be preferred over JR since the former is already standard while the latter is not. I recommend SUB over SJ, both because it's more instantly obvious what it means (I keep seeing SJ and thinking it ought to be associated with Wikijunior somehow), and because the other three-letter shortcut is CAT, so it makes a stylistic similarity between the functionally similar namespaces. It took me longer to decide what to suggest about the Cookbook namespace; but I recommend COOK, because it's just blindingly obviously right, and I can't remotely imagine changing circumstances that would make it not-right, whereas CB is okay but not as blindingly obvious, and, given that there are only so many two-letter abbreviations, CB becoming less right someday because of changing circumstances is merely improbable (rather than unimaginable). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ::'''Support''' Pi zero's amendments. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 16:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :: I agree with you about SJ and CB. OTOH WJ is only used in one place right now so isn't at all that standard yet. If you look at Wikijunior as being a junior project than JR makes sense too. Wikijunior could have as a style that any use of {{tl|shortcut}} should or must include both the WJ and the JR version which could resolve the issue of which to use and any problems with inconsistencies. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::When I said WJ was standard, what I meant was that I perceive WJ to be the standard shorthand way of referring to it that people routinely use when, er, talking about it. (If it isn't talking, why are they called talk pages?) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC) :::The multiple styles problem has more to do with actual deployment rather than availability, indeed. By the way, I also dislike JR for aesthetic reasons, if that would count for anything. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 17:07, 11 June 2010 (UTC) == Fiction == I am new to Wikibooks and frankly I can't get over the excitement of being able to connect with the WHOLE world in such a unique way. My question is this? Are fictional books featured here at all? For example 'Frederick Forsyth's Negotiator. Can it be read here or not? Please be gentle with me, I am new to this. :Fiction books are not allowed here (see [[WB:WIW]]), just textbooks. Fiction books may be allowed at wikisource if they have been published elsewhere. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 17:05, 20 June 2010 (UTC) ::[[s:Main Page|Wikisource]] books must be in the public domain as far as I know. I remember there is a wiki where you can publish your own fiction book, but I forgot what that site's called... [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC) == [[:CAT:Links to external webpages]] == {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; text-align:left; width:350px;" class="collapsible" !List of external redirects by creation date |- |<DynamicPageList> category = Links to external webpages addfirstcategorydate = true </DynamicPageList> |} Many of these pages are suffering from link decay. Since the pages are only meant to be links this is pretty bad. Here are some issues I have noticed: *Strategywiki is now Stategerywiki.org (not strategywiki.net) *Some pages were "soft linked" to wikiversity only later to be recreated here? Such as [[Human physiology (Wikipedia link-book)]] and [[Human Physiology]]. So maybe we should take a look and clean them up? Or maybe some should be deleted? To be honest I find it strange we don't host game guides but we maintain pages dedicated to linking to game guides. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC) : I tend to believe that external links are fine for the short term, but should be deleted in the long run. We got links to the game guides because those books use to be hosted here, and I think was done to give time for people to find where they moved to. I think most of them should be deleted now. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC) ::I remember that I'd once thought of proposing the deletion of these pages, but I decided not to since this may be contradictory to previous consensus. It's great that I'm not the only one who thinks they should be deleted! RfD? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 10:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC) ::I agree with Darklama but understand that deleting them will not be of any particular interest and as someone else has said before, it prevents recreation of the works and helps promote the new location (if working and in relation to most games titles or stuff like the jokebook). Besides that, I don't see any useful purpose on keeping them, if the link is broken delete... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 10:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::(edit conflict) I think an Rfd may be too formal. One page per entry would get to be a bit much, but it doesn't seem right to simply say "let's delete everything in this category". Rather I think it would be better to come up with a criteria here for which things should stay and go and let "common sense" prevail about the rest. But I think what we are suggesting is in spirit I think the "Orphaned/Broken" redirect policy, so hopefully we won't need to Rfd each link. :::I would suggest that links to external webpages created more than then 6 months ago should go, this will cover a lot of the strategy wiki stuff. I think I would include in this removing links to sister projects where we now have material here (as in the example above). Though I have no problems with sister links ''in'' the material here, I really mean modules whose only existance is to contain a link. I do not support the idea, but I can imagine extending some grace to links to sister projects where we don't really have a corresponding book here. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::: I think having a policy to delete external redirects more than X old is a good idea. I could support 6 months that is reasonably long, but I would also support a much shorter period like 30 days. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Even as long as six months will eliminate most of them; not something I see as a problem. I've added a list of them ordered by creation date (ones created before July 2008 still show July 2008). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC) == color in wiki books == If I order a wiki book does the pic printed in color? On th PDF file I see them in a B\W colors. thank U. :PediaPress books ordered via [[Special:Collection]] will come in color. See http://pediapress.com/ for a sample book with pictures of the quality you can expect. -- &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC) ::The cover page of the sample book on http://pediapress.com/ is in color but all the images inside the book are in black and white. At the bottom of that page they also state that the books have a "color cover and black & white interior". Adrignola: what is your statement based on? --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 13:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC) :::It's based on my poor reading comprehension, apparently. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC) == Translating a WikiBook across programming language? == There is an existing WikiBook: [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Write_Yourself_a_Scheme_in_48_Hours Write Yourself a Scheme in 48 Hours]. I'm interested in potentially translating this book into Java (and corresponding dependent libraries). This would also potentially involve rewriting some sections; the current book has explanations in Haskell; these would need to be rewritten to target Java. How does one go about doing this in WikiBooks format? Can I create a new variant of this book in Java? Where's the right place to contain the book while it's being translated ("not ready")? I have some experience with Wikipedia but limited experience with WikiBooks -- apologies in advance for my ignorance. [[User:Xiphoris|Xiphoris]] ([[User talk:Xiphoris|talk]]) 03:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC) :Both Wikipedia and Wikibooks use the MediaWiki software, so they use the same set of wiki markup. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC) :Remember also to give some form of attribution to the original work. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 12:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC) : What do you mean by translate? Do you want to use existing material from "Write Yourself a Scheme in 48 Hours" as a bases for the Java version? Do you just want to use that book for inspiration? If you want to use existing material as a bases you'll need to credit the book, the best way to do that is to include a reference to the book in an edit summery when you use material. If you just want to use the book for inspiration without copying anything than there is no need to credit the book. You can acknowledge that the book was a source of inspiration though anyways if you want people to know what inspired you, but you should do so in a way that people don't mistakenly believe that the book must be attributed should they want to reuse this new book. :Other than the consideration to be made if you intend to copy material from an existing book, you would start a 48 Hour Java book like you would any new book. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC) :If you want, you can edit your own [[User:Xiphoris|user page]] to hold temporary material for the book. This can be done in sub-pages which can be deleted later if the past versions are of no longer of any interest. Although, if you are re-using material from other Wikibooks or Wikipedia it is convenient to credit the original sources with links in the edit histories. Most books here start with a basic skeleton and add material gradually. You can use standard [[Template:Under_construction|under construction]] or [[Template:Status|percentage complete]] templates to inform readers of the state of the book. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC) == "Page turning"? == Am I missing the way to "turn the page" in the wikibooks? For example, if I am here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AP_Computer_Science/Java, how do I get to the next section/page? Currently I've been going back to the menu and then clicking the next section, but that seems pretty inefficient. [[User:Daviddoria|Daviddoria]] ([[User talk:Daviddoria|talk]]) 13:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :Apparently that book is a 'bad example' of what a good book should be. A good book usually has a navigational aid that helps you turn the pages, such as [[Template:Navigate]]. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :: Unfortunately not, the media wikisoftware doesn't handle books very well. Specifically all navigational aids need to be put in by hand. It is a job you could help with if your interested. You can see [[Linear Algebra/Introduction]] for one example of how it can be done. Navigational aides are something we encourage, but currently do not appear in every book. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thenub314|contribs]]) </span></small> == [[Wikijunior:KinderCalculus]] == I invite community involvement in [[Wikijunior talk:KinderCalculus/Perverts#Rename|this discussion]]. To be clear, this is a discussion that I started, and the two issues (not restricted to the one talk page, but in practice this is where all the discussion is taking place so far) are the name of the specific module and, more broadly, the metaphor of layers of clothing of which it is a part. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 11:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :I would be glad to read through it and tell you my thoughts, but I am a little concerned the book describes itself as "an experimental K-6 math program". I have my usual concerns about verifiability and original research. This sounds to me like a part of realm of education research. Do you off hand know if there any references, syllabuses, etc attached to this book? Or is this wikbooks the home of this experiment? Google searching doesn't really turn up much, but maybe I am out of the loop or searching the wrong terms. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC) ::Update: Kayau has started [[WB:RFD#Wikijunior:KinderCalculus|an RFD]], where Panic has suggested transwiki to Wikiversity. I've commented there (''and'' the thread on the talk page continues). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC) ::After reading the book, I think the phrase "an experimental K-6 math program" just tries to say that this book uses a new, innovative approach to teaching the topic. IMHO this is the best reason for writing wikibooks. --[[User:Martin Kraus|Martin Kraus]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraus|talk]]) 19:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC) == DefaultSortkey for namespaces with subpages == Hello!! What do you think of requesting at bugzilla that for namespaces using subpages the DefaultSortkey should be the subpagename of the page (instead of the fullpagename. This seems particullarly useful at Wikibooks since our book are grouped using subpages and in the category of a book there is no point in using the fullpagename, because all of its pages starts with the same prefix "book name/". The current behavior is defined is at [http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/Parser_8php-source.html#l05027 Parser.php]: {|width=100% class=wikitable |- !Current implementation !Possible re-implementation |- |<source lang=php> public function getDefaultSort() { global $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey; if ( $this->mDefaultSort !== false ) { return $this->mDefaultSort; } elseif ( $this->mTitle->getNamespace() == NS_CATEGORY || !$wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey ) { return $this->mTitle->getText(); } else { return $this->mTitle->getPrefixedText(); } } </source> |<source lang=php> public function getDefaultSort() { global $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey; global $wgCategoryDefaultSortkeyForSubpages; if ( $this->mDefaultSort !== false ) { return $this->mDefaultSort; } elseif ( $wgCategoryDefaultSortkeyForSubpages ) { return $this->mTitle->getSubpageText(); } else { if ( $this->mTitle->getNamespace() == NS_CATEGORY || !$wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey ) { return $this->mTitle->getText(); } else { return $this->mTitle->getPrefixedText(); } } } </source> |} The new version would probably use [http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/Title_8php-source.html#l00731 getSubpageText()] to get the correct value. Would this be a good idea? [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]18:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC) :It would be a great idea, though we have simplified things with {{tl|BookCat}}. I think the developers would want the actual code changes and a demonstration of consensus at the project before they would proceed with the change. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 20:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::With respect, I don't see any point in tinkering with the default sort key. We never use the default now (that I can think of), and we don't specify anything else, either. We tell {{tl|BookCat}} to take care of it for us &mdash; and {{tl|BookCat}} almost always sorts book pages by {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}} (except when deep filing). It's undesirable to bypass {{tl|BookCat}} anyway, because when one occasionally renames a book or moves a page from one book to another (or rearranges a book with deep filing (shudder)), {{tl|BookCat}} automatically chooses the right category for the new name without our having to edit individual pages &mdash; plus, if we ever did for some reason decide to do some project-wide rearrangement of things, we would be able to do it in {{tl|BookCat}} without having to go through and edit every page of every book. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC) :::I understand your point, Pi zero. But note: Template BookCat was created at 2007 here and at pt.wikibooks we created AutoCat almost one year afterwards (independently, reinventing the wheel) and no other wikibooks projects seems to have some automatized way of setting the sortkey of book chapters (e.g. [http://it.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Pascal/Array&action=edit it.wikibooks]). If the feature is available by default in MediaWiki, the things are somewhat better also for those projects (I think), and can helps even in the case where a user forgets to add the sortkey (and don't know about the template). :::I've added a possible reimplementation of the function above (but I'm not a PHP programmer, so it needs review...). [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]22:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I actually think it's preferable that pages categorized freehand (i.e., without {{tl|BookCat}}) should come out sorted badly, so that it's more likely someone will notice and replace the freehand categorization with {{tl|BookCat}}. ::::Aside from all that, though, I'm a bit confused by your proposal. Did you really mean to propose that the default sort key should be <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki>? I don't think there are all that many books here that are sorted that way now; {{tl|BookCat}} only does that if you use parameter <code>filing=deep</code>. Most books, that I've noticed, use {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}}, which I think I prefer for the purpose. (It appears to me that pt AutoCat uses CHAPTERNAME too.) ::::(Incidentally, {{tl|BookCat}} got hugely upgraded last summer. It now works on book subpages, book-specific templates, and subcategories of book categories both for the book's templates and for deep filing, both for mainspace books and for Wikijunior books. So yes, in theory the template was created in 2007, but most of the code in it dates from 2009.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Ok. I was thinking about <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki> because this coincides with {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}} for pages with only one level of subpages and because we already have the MagicWord <nowiki>{{SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki>. But you are right, in general we indeed prefer to use the result of {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}} as sortkey. So, the proposal could be that this value should be the default sortkey for namespaces with subpages, instead of the full pagename, probably using something like a new function getChapterText() or getMainSubpageText() whose functionality would be the same of our {{tl|CHAPTERNAME}}. :::::In this case, if a page could be sorted correctly by the new default sortkey, with a code like <nowiki>[[Category: <category name> ]]</nowiki>, I think this would be a good thing, because then it wouldn't be necessary to update the categorization in order to serve the readers with well organized categories. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]20:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::I've made a request at [[bugzilla:22911]]. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]]02:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC) == Note == Hi, I just deleted a page here using my tools here as a global sysop. I think it's the first time a global sysop has done that and just want to make sure what I did was within scope of local policy. Thanks! [[User:Maximillion Pegasus|Maximillion Pegasus]] ([[User talk:Maximillion Pegasus|talk]]) 01:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :It looks like a good call to me. You'd be right that it's the first time we've had a global sysop come around after opting in. I was worried that they'd choose not to come around thinking that it'd be embarrassing for an English language wiki to need global assistance. Other than that it's just been the steward bots doing local blocks of accounts. We had Wutsje from the small wiki monitoring team doing rollbacks as a global rollbacker some time back, but now that he's a steward, he's been too busy. Recent Runes has been good at IP vandalism patrolling. Good to have your assistance! &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) == Twinkle Warning Gadget == I've added a gadget to [[Special:Preferences]] that people can use to notify/warn users for vandalism/spam, personal attacks, content issues, ignoring process, structural mistakes, etiquette, or blocks. I'd like to thank Darklama for providing consultation on the three generic templates I also created that are used by the script ({{tl|please help}}, {{tl|please agf}}, {{tl|please learn}}) and for optimizing the JavaScript. The great thing about the script is that it only uses those three templates, adding additional information to their output based on the situation you've selected, rather than use 40 separate templates, beyond {{tl|blocked}} for block notices. If you have the welcome gadget installed, you'll have a second warn tab. If people so desire, that warn tab could be removed from the welcome script (which only provides the use of {{tl|test}}. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 20:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :Nice! I look forward to trying it out. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 22:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC) == Image Hovering fails in Internet Explorer == It is a feature of the [[Template:HoverImage]] Can support be added for this? [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 14:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC) :It works fine in Internet Explorer 8. Older versions do not support CSS hovering over anything but links. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 14:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Thanks Adrignola,<br> Since you seem to have IE8, can you tell me whether or not it supports the pre-wrap value for the CSS property Whitespace? Version 6 does not. The overflow test on page/section [[Editing_Wikitext/Preformatted_Text#Browser_Pre-wrap_Test| Browser Pre-wrap Test]] is a quick way to find out.<br> Thanks, [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 11:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC) :The long sentence wraps just fine inside the dotted box in IE8 and the appearance does not differ from what I get in Chrome 5.0.375.70 or Firefox 3.6.3. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 12:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks for the inputs, [[User:Armchair|Armchair]] ([[User talk:Armchair|talk]]) 14:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC) pyb3fyhmzdr55884t0vud83l21kh6dd 4 235394 4639394 4624673 2026-06-08T18:37:07Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639394 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} ==+Reviewer and Rollbacker== [[User:Adrignola]] has been doing some great work around here cleaning and organizing things. As he travels through our collection he should be able to mark good pages when he sees them, and also to revert any vandalism that he finds. I would really like to promote him to admin since his organization shows that he really understands some of our policies and our procedures. But, being a Rollbacker and a Reviewer is a good first step in turning people into admins later. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC) : '''Support''' I've been helping him here and there and agree he's been doing some good work, even if I don't agree with him all the time. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC) : Does he / she know they need to come here and accept first? [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 18:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC) :: I will accept and take seriously any responsibilities you feel should be entrusted to me. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC) :{{support}} His <s>(her?)</s> dedication is both remarkable and obvious. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol comment vote.svg|15px]] '''Comment''' This user's gender is male. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 23:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks for clarifying. I ''hate'' to assume! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC) {{done}} per support here & my own observations of good work over several weeks. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 01:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC) ==+Administrator== I think it's high time Adrignola was made an administrator. The work he's done here clearly demonstrates his thoughtfulness, attention to detail, and general knowledge not only of the MediaWiki software, but also of how the Wikibooks community operates. Having him as an admin here would do nothing but enhance this project. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 14:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC) : Adrignola has been doing great work helping in improving the category system and I would like to see that continue. Even though the tools can be helpful at times, they can also be a source of distraction and take time away from doing other things like categorization. I would rather Adrignola waited until most of the categorization work has been finished before accepting the tools. I hope Adrignola will decline the tools at this time. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC) : I have always defended the view Darklama expresses above, but it seems that it hasn't been a very convincing argument in the past. Adrignola has already expressed his intention to accept in private, he seems to be vary calm and able to engage in dialog to access his options going so far as requesting comments from older Wikibookians. I doubt that in this case he will stop the extensive work he has been doing (that would probably mean the undoing of most of it given some time). I'm still hoping to see how things shape up and see some guidelines (categories and subject) be worked out on how best to maintain the order that is now emerging, as the most interested party on having that happen I don't think Adrignola will quit the job because of a new shiny toy :), the only issue would be the impulsive use of the tools on the task at hand but using a timeout for actions I don't foresee any problem, categories were always a very chaotic issue, we all have our preferences but having someone clearing out the mess is a boon. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC) : I would say it is a matter of focus and knowing when to do certain things. My immediate plans for the near term are organizing the remaining subject category I have not touched yet, [[Subject:Science]], and clearing out [[Special:UncategorizedPages]], [[Special:UncategorizedCategories]], [[Special:UncategorizedFiles]], [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]], and [[Special:WantedCategories]]. Any additional rights that may or may not be granted will not change that. The only things I can think of that I would do differently in the near future would be things that would ease the burden on the current administrators, such as deleting new page vandalism, which I cannot roll back with rollbacker rights and can only mark for speedy deletion, and immediate removal of empty categories instead of tagging them for speedy deletion. Edit history merges or the satisfaction of transwiki requests would have to wait until I have time to read the documentation on performing them correctly. Being granted editor and rollbacker privileges did not break my stride; I fail to see how this would be any different. I have my priorities and intend to see categorization and the replacement of the bookshelves to completion, regardless of the outcome of this discussion. I accept either result. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support'''- --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' I cannot think of a more qualified person to get these tools. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 06:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 11:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC) :[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - I don't find darklama's argument very convincing, and I think Adrignola will make a good administrator. They're doing good work which would be helped by having access to the sysop toolset, I trust them with the tools, and so they should have the tools. &nbsp;'''&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 13:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - The work that Adrignola has undertaken has undoubtedly benefited the project massively, and access to the sysop tools can only help further this good work [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 21:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - Our first admin candidate in some time who is quite so active in doing such a copious amount "dirty work" ;-). <small>(Closing, but thought I'd pile on anyway)</small> --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 20:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC) {{done}} Congrats! --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 20:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC) ==+Bureaucrat== {{closed|1={{done}}, Adrignola is now a Bureaucrat. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 13:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC) }} Since [[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] is no longer active on Wikibooks, we could use another bureaucrat. The obvious candidate to fill this void is [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]. He clearly understands the way this project works and has something like 30,000 edits. I think that's more than anyone else, but I'm too lazy to check! Also, edit count is not the main consideration. His work here has been exemplary, and I think it's high time we granted him the tools he could most definitely make good use of. Please remember to not vote on this until the nominee accepts or declines the nomination. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC) :For those who are counting, my preferences page currently says 40,415 edits. But anyone interested in this discussion may also find the toolserver's listing of [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/adminstats.php?wiki=enwikibooks_p&tlimit=31536000 admin actions over the past year] to be more relevant (and useful for gauging sysop health for Wikibooks as a whole). I will accept the nomination. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 02:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} As per my nomination. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} My only complaint with Adrignola is that he makes the rest of us look bad with his ever-soaring edit count... [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 06:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 07:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}}. Being a 'crat is a pretty dull job and I welcome anyone who is competent who is willing to do it... Adrignola is. Thanks for the link BTW, didn't know that tool was available. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 10:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 18:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} Well I used to be active here so I don't feel bad about voting but if it bothers others then strike it :) --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 18:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *{{support}} - As a fellow Bureaucrat that isn't very active anymore I think it's important that we keep things fresh and ensure an active 'crat is around. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 23:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC) ====Questions==== *{{question}} How do you measure consensus in a VFD (now an RFD, I suppose) where there is not 100% numerical agreement? How does that process translate to RFXs? &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 15:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC) *:The renaming of VFDs to RFDs make it clear that consensus is not determined through simple votes. It all comes down to the quality of the arguments for or against. If one side brings up valid points that cannot be properly addressed by the opposition, then that's a barrier to consensus right there. If those points can be properly addressed, hopefully the other side would be satisfied and change position on the issue. If they choose not to, then the situation becomes one similar to judges deciding which team has won a debate. Quality rationale is important at Wikibooks where the level of activity may only result in a number of participants one can count on a hand. A comment on the level of "because I say so" won't hold any weight, as it demands an assignment of value to the opinion based on personal feelings of a person's worth, which is not acceptable in an environment where everyone is supposed to be equal. A purely emotional reaction such as "I don't like it" also won't hold much weight as it's far too subjective when an objective analysis is called for.<br /><br />Translating that to RFXs seems to me to be tricky, as RFPs, for instance, often take the form of votes of confidence. It has not passed beneath my notice the additional questions you and others have posted during these nominations compared to past nominations in the archives. I appreciate those questions and believe that is a good way to go for RFPs in particular. It makes them more substantial and allows for better determination of consensus in more contentious nominations. It's not a surprise to me then that I've seen opposition to the requirements for a successful checkuser nomination as they relate to smaller wikis, as they turn it into a vote and set a fixed percentage of support votes required. That tempts users into vote-stacking one way or the other and eliminates the possibility of consensus-building or determining of consensus. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 17:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC) {{end closed}} ==+CheckUser== {{closed|25 votes achieved, Check User tools granted at Meta. I thank everyone for their support and votes of confidence. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 01:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)}} Adrignola should, in my opinion, also have access to the Check User tools. We have but two CU's, one who is here regularly, and another who I believe lurks (though that's hard to tell). If our existing active CU's decide to take a break, we are without. Again, please refrain from voting until the nominee accepts the nomination. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC) :Meta requires a minimum of two CUs, and given the [[m:CheckUser_policy#Access_to_CheckUser|requirement]] that CU elections have 70-80% support with 25-30 editors approving, it's not a bad idea to make sure we have more than the minimum. If one of our two CUs were to retire, we might not have enough time to elect another before losing all our CUs due to being below minimum. So, I accept the nomination. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 02:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Again, as per the nomination. Thank you for accepting. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} what else can I say? [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 06:57, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} But again with the same reservation I (and others) made on the last attribution of these tools.<br>3 Wikibookians with the checkuser flag should (again) fill any mid to long term requirements the community has for the function.<br>Echoing some of the comments made elsewhere, Wikibooks has lost many of the sporadic users (including vandals) it had in the past (the revision system). With the activity level we have now, the declining number of administrators (most CU tasks are requested by other admins) and since Mike has been promptly performing the job, all makes this attribution a bit unnecessary. Having said that, if the situation of the project or the other CU's changed, Adrignola would be on the top of the list. That's why this isn't just a comment.<br>A post should be made by the nominator on the general discussion area since we will need a greater level of participation on this. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 07:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #*I'll put a notice in the watchlist. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 20:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} It's never sensible to have just the minimum and with just two you can't be sure either will be available. I personally don't like having to call a Steward to an active project in an emergency, so better to have an extra CU. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 10:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} My views on use of tools (& activity) vary from some folk. If you are here and active that is good. Tools are there to be used by active people. Folks I trust seem to think you are ok. --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 18:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Trustworthy, competent, and bringing a good attitude to the messy business of CU :-). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 22:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} - Sure. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 23:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC) #Yes, I'd say I'm comfortable with giving Adrignola this privileged access - they're in an ideal position to put it to good use. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 15:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 07:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Can't see a reason against doing so. [[User:Soeb|Soeb]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Soeb|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Soeb|contribs]]} 12:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Adrignola has been a very positive force on Wikibooks and used permissions responsibly in all cases I have seen. [[User:Shaitand|Shaitand]] ([[User talk:Shaitand|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Trustworthy editor. --[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 01:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Trustworthy editor who's very active. There's no reason not to. [[User:Empire3131|Empire3131]] ([[User talk:Empire3131|talk]]) 18:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC) #[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' Given Adringola's statements below, he seems to respect users' privacy and I trust he will remain "hesitant to use it unless standard administrative tools are ineffective at resolving a situation." --[[User:Swift|Swift]] ([[User talk:Swift|talk]]) 21:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} My position on this issue should be made abundantly clear, but for "vote counts", sure, add my vote onto the heap. Adrignola seems to be active on the project, and IMHO more trusted users ought to have this ability in general. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] ([[User talk:Robert Horning|talk]]) 18:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}}: Adrignola is a hard-working trustworthy user. [[User:Moby-Dick4000|Moby-Dick4000]] ([[User talk:Moby-Dick4000|talk]]) 23:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}}: Don't see why not. --[[User:SoylentGreen|SoylentGreen]] ([[User talk:SoylentGreen|talk]]) 14:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}}: He is very trusted here. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 03:48, 25 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Trustworthy and active editor. He has got my support. [[User:Marco_Klunder|Marco]] 19:22, 25 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} He does a lot of administration, glad to see he got bureaucrat. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 21:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC) #{{support}} Both a trustworthy and active editor. Has my support. [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 23:28, 4 January 2010 (UTC) #{{support}} Adrignola's responses below indicate limited and responsible use of this tool.--[[User:Paul James|Paul James]] ([[User talk:Paul James|talk]]) 23:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC) #{{support}} [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|talk]]) 08:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC) #{{support}} He seems like a well-qualified and level-headed guy, though I can't imagine when he fits in his college studies. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|talk]]) 20:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC) ====Questions==== *{{question}}: Have you read the [[m:checkuser|checkuser]] and [[wmf:Privacy policy|privacy]] policies? Do you think they make sense? Is there anything you'd change in the policies (for example, to better protect our users' privacy, or to change how oversight of the tool's use works)? &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 20:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *:With regard to the privacy policy, some users may not be aware of what the terms "IP address" and "cookie" mean. It makes sense to me, given my knowledge of those terms, but they could be source of confusion for others. Potentially they could link to a Wikipedia entry on the matter. If there are concerns about lack of oversight of the tool's use, why not have notifications sent to the checkuser-l mailing list any time they are used? That could eliminate the need for two-checkuser minimum at any particular project and also increase the potential for cross-wiki coordination against abuse/vandalism. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 22:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC) *::enwiki has orders of magnitude more checks than we do - notification to the mailing list of every one would make doing the work impossible. For smaller wikis, I think the two-CU minimum makes sense. A notification cannot guard against abuse: the CU would simply fail to report it or make it look legitimate. However, I agree that explaining terms in these policies would be useful, since quite often users may have a lack of awareness. As well, a naive user reading the policies may not understand who the groups being referred to are. Who are stewards, what are they for? That one is linked, but there is probably a lack of clarity for most new users. *::On the topic of IPs... would you make a short comment about your knowledge of the technical aspects of the CU tool? It is not magic pixie dust, and requires a basic understanding of computer networking, for example. It would be helpful to come to an informed decision to know whether you'll be lost in a sea of uninterpretable data, or whether you'd be able to make sense of it. Thanks &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 00:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *:::I have not used the tool itself before and can only take away what I can from [[m:Help:Checkuser]] in terms of its operation in particular. Computer networking, IP addresses&mdash;if I don't know much about those I have a problem given my current field of study, information technology. Certainly most ISPs' customers' addresses will change based on the lease time of the address and whether the equipment had been rebooted during that period. Few have a static address nowadays. It may only be possible to determine that two users happen to edit from the same ISP and nothing more. Proxies can be used to shield one's address, not to mention onion networks such as Tor. I'm CompTIA A+/Network+ certified and also have earned my Cisco Certified Network Associate certification. I'm familiar with CIDR notation, subnetting, and routing. Maybe you recall a [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks%3AReading_room%2FAdministrative_Assistance&action=historysubmit&diff=1668286&oldid=1668241 recent edit] of mine where I noted the CIDR of a network using the IP address ranges given in a whois lookup. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 01:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *::::I do recall (my question was to make sure others have information useful for making an informed choice here) &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<b style="color:#309;">Mike.lifeguard</b>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:#309;">talk</span>]]} 01:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *:::::While there's no local policy dictating it, if it would reassure anyone, I do not have objections to being checkusered myself. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 02:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *{{question}} The CU tool has only been used <s>20</s> '''50''' times since and including July 9. That's a Very Good Thing IMO... it's not a tool that should be used very often. Adrignola, I've noticed that you are the sort who likes to find things to do with the tools you have now, but I've also noticed a pattern on other projects that suggests that very active CUs tend to attract (rather than discourage) some of the more dedicated cross-wiki vandals. With that in mind, I'd like to know a bit about how and when you intend to use the tools if you have access to them. --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 18:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *:I'm surprised they had to be used as often as that, even. The primary situation that comes to my mind would be a disruptive user creating accounts to hide their IP address (and network), with each new account part of the same network but with a new IP address from their provider. Autoblocking the last IP address used would be ineffective and an administrator would be unable to view the underlying network as a whole if vandalism is only performed while logged in. Another might be suspicions of vote-stacking or sockpuppetry, though I would not initiate a check for that without a call for it from the community and behavior that would support such a suspicion. The level of responsibility associated with the tool would make me hesitant to use it unless standard administrative tools are ineffective at resolving a situation. -- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 19:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC) *::Sounds good :-). Just FYI (and for others who are curious) it was actually '''50''', but more than half of the 50 were to do with cross-wiki issues (e.g., if word comes to Mike or me that there's been a vandal hitting multiple wikis from a given IP or account, we check here to see if something's going on that our RC patrollers might not be aware of). Transwiki stuff is something you'll be exposed to if you take this on... it can become something of an obsession (both in a good way and/or a bad way). Just keep that in mind, and good luck: your educational background and your enthusiasm suggest that you will be a formidable and excellent checkuser! --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 22:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC) {{end closed}} ==+CheckUser== {{closed|Nomination is unnecessary since the user never lost the flag. As soon as the minimum (2 active CUs) is restored the flag will be again enabled. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)}} The situation sounds foobar to me, and should be corrected immediately. I would like to nominate Adrignola for Check user. Adrignola, please indicate here if you accept this somewhat ridiculous nomination. (Ridiculous because it should be automatic). [[User:Thenub314|<span style="color: #CC2200 ;">Thenub314</span>]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|<span style="color: #CC2200 ;">talk</span>]]) 13:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC) :I believe that I already have [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Adrignola#.2BCheckUser|a successful nomination]]. Just as people are able to request tools back if they did not resign them under a cloud, because my CU tools were removed as a result of the requirement for a minimum of two CheckUsers, I do believe that it ''would'' be automatic if we are able to approve another CheckUser. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC) :: Thanks for the clarification. If there is any reason that WMF requires DL to give personal information, and this is not acceptable to him, then I will self nominate. But the overall situation is just messed up in my opinion. [[User:Thenub314|<span style="color: #CC2200 ;">Thenub314</span>]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|<span style="color: #CC2200 ;">talk</span>]]) 13:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC) ::My view on the subject is the same (and I expressed in on DL nomination). As the tools were never lost, you were just prevented to hold them by the policy minimum requirement of 2 CUs. Getting the tools active again does not require a new request for permission. ::It can be argued that any other flag will be granted the same consideration as in every case that a community decision isn't used to repel a previous community decision. For instance any other self induced removal of flags that aren't validated by the community will be able to be reversible (I do think that some considerations should be made into policy, especially because we have a special de-adminship process, since a justification should be required for self induced removals, and a time limit for those cases should be present, a time limit for the validity to turn the self induced removal in a permanent state requiring the a reevaluation by the community). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 14:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC) * {{support}} Adrignola is a trustworthy user. [[User:Diego Grez|Diego Grez]] ([[User talk:Diego Grez|talk]]) 17:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC) *{{support}} We can trust them. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 17:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC) * {{support}} though, as mentioned, a new voting process should not be required. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 18:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC) {{end closed}} d8y1ibm617n2ab9446z8r44dqh4qkk0 4 235396 4639393 4624676 2026-06-08T18:34:08Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639393 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} ==+Administrator== I noticed there is a number of vandalisms being not reverted in English Wikibooks (I once caught one in [[Wikibooks:About]] remaining there for about a month). Also, sites marked for speedy deletion wait for long time. I think I'm able to help fighting with vandalism. I don't have many contributions to English Wikibooks, but I've been an active sysop of Polish Wikibooks for 8 months [http://pl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Specjalna:Contributions/Derbeth]. I think I might be useful, because I live in Poland and have completely different timezone then people in US, so I can catch vandalisms when other sysops are f.e. sleeping. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] 09:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC) * '''Support''' - After having reviewed this user's edit history, it seems they have put in a lot of effort keeping Wikibooks clean and tidy. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Aya|E]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 18:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC) * '''Support''' - Though my vote is moot, I think the other-language WikiBookians could help nip some spammers in the bud before they get to spam too much (because their IP can be blocked here quickly too). --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 22:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC) '''Done''' - Although I was hoping for a few more votes from other users. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Aya|E]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 16:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC) : Well, if you'd waited for me to get off my butt and check his edit history there probably would have been another support vote! [[User:AlbertCahalan|AlbertCahalan]] 03:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC) :Aya, perhaps in the future you could give us a day's notice, just in case? That could help show consensus and motivate people like Albert and me to respond. --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 04:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC) ::Well. The text above gives the impression that a decision will be made in a week, to prevent the problems we had previously when there was no strict deadline, and Wikibooks was slowing running out of active admins. The user made the request on the 23rd Sep, so the decision should've been made on the 30th Sep, although I didn't actually implement it until the 3rd Oct. Still. It all worked out okay in the end. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Aya|E]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 18:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC) ==+Bureaucrat== Since Aya has gone onto a Wikibreak and we are currently without an active Bureacrat, I'd like to nominate Derbeth to take over this job. Besides, we could use a couple more bureaucrats here as well on Wikibooks with the expanding number of admins and the general growth of Wikibooks. Derbeth has been doing an outstanding job of patrolling vandalism, and in addition has been staying politically neutral on many internal issues for Wikibooks. With his already outstanding service as an administrator, I'd like to give him the additional responsibilities and privileges that come with being a bureaucrat (as well as to clean up the above list of nominiations). The additional responsibilities really are pretty minor, but it would be nice to keep some active bureacrats going on Wikibooks. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:08, 26 December 2005 (UTC) : I never wanted to be a bureaucrat, even when I became a sysop. But as I can see that we are in need of bureaucrats and people here are giving me such support, I won't oppose. I don't have time to track every policy discussion and I am not the one who knows solutions to our problems, but I think I am able to cope with strictly bureaucratic tasks. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 01:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' Seems dedicated to the project. Important to have at least ''one'' active BCrat here. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 15:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC) * Dont we have to wait for Derbeth to accept first? Whatever :) I '''Support''', because he catches so many vandalisms. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 17:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' - as soon as he accept the nomination ;-) --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]} 12:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC) * <s>'''Comment.''' [[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] has not accepted the nomination yet, so I will not vote because these votes might not be counted.</s> However, Derbeth often reverts bad changes to pages and has several entries in the [[Special:Log]] for temporary blocks against IP addresses. This user is very active in protecting Wikibooks from vandals. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 22:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC) : Lol, then I'll vote after he accepts as well :) --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 23:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC) : '''Support''' --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 20:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' --[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] 23:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' Diversity of Bureaus is also important. --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 01:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support''' - several active b'crats is important for the project, and Derbeth is the right choice. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 20:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC) *'''Support'''. I didn't want to vote until Derbeth accepted the nomination, although i admit that i could hardly wait for him to reply. We need more b'crats desperately, and i can't think of a name i've seen more often in the recent changes list fighting vandals and such. Derbeth is an excellent choice for the position, and i only hope it doesnt bring him too much stress! --{{User Whiteknight Sig|Whiteknight}} 04:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' As qualified or more as anyone else here. --[[User:JMRyan|JMRyan]] 21:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' Someone has to do it. (I was tempted to vote against just to get some debate going :-) --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 10:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * <s>'''Oppose''' per below. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 03:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)'''Neutral'''. I don't think Derbeth would abuse bureaucrat powers, but his use of blocking powers is suspect. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 02:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)</s>'''Support'''. I believe the blocking issue has been cleared up. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 02:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC) : I have just been made bureaucrat. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 22:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC) ==+CheckUser== Because I regularly fight vandals I sometimes need to check IP of suspicious registered users. There are other situations when it is good to have possibility of such check - for example, if during a vote some people are likely to be sockpuppets (duplicate accounts of other users). Only stewards and users with CheckUsers rights (neither sysops nor bureaucrats have such rights by default) are able to see IP of registered users. Unfortunately stewards are sometimes unavailable, so I think we should have our own users with CheckUser rights. [[meta:CheckUser Policy]] provides more information about the function. Important thing is that we need at least 25 votes of support for candidate to be chosen. It is hard, but with some determination we can reach this level - every vote counts so please take part in the vote. Second thing is that there should be two or more CheckUser-s at a project. Therefore, I strongly encourage you to support Uncle G, who is another candidate for this function. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 21:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support.''' --[[User:JMRyan|JMRyan]] 21:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' &#45; [[User:Athrash|Athrash]] | [[User_talk:Athrash|^{<span style="color:006633">T</span><span style="color:00AAAA">a</span><span style="color:00BBBB">l</span><span style="color:00DDDD">k</span>}]] 21:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 07:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]} 10:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] 11:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 11:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' We need at least ''somebody'' with this on Wikibooks right now. The 25 vote limit IMHO is way off base, but let's see if we can get that pulled together here.--[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 14:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 17:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 21:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Javariel|Gabe Sechan]] 22:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * <s>'''Oppose''' I cannot support this in good faith. Derbeth has frequently blocked users without warning for isolated instances of childish vandalism. This is worse than RickK ever was at Wikipedia. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 03:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)</s> '''Weak oppose''' for giving CheckUser powers out on Wikibooks at this time. *: I think you are looking for revenge for my vote against you during your request for bureaucrat rights. Yes, I often block anonymous users without any warning, but only if they are open proxies. According to [[meta:Proxy blocking]] I have such right, I don't see any sense in disputing with such cases. Only two people complained to me about blocking them, in both cases I removed block as soon as I can. If you check [[special:log/block]] you will see that two mistakes in such number of blocks is just statistical necessity. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *::I am not looking for revenge. Again, you are assuming bad faith. In many cases, these vandals are not blocked for being open proxies, but merely for "vandalism" (see the block log). I am not opposed to long-term blocks of actual open proxies used for vandalism, but if they are not really open proxies, please block for a maximum of 24 hours and warn the user first. Yes, only two users complained about the blocks, but countless others may have left Wikibooks without contesting the block. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 22:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *:::I only block open proxies without waring, show me where I blocked normal IP's for long time. Just take a look at block log and [[http://www.sorbs.net/ SORBS database] - IMO they show I am innocent. Furthermore, block log shows that you are massively unblocking anonymous users - many of which are open proxies listed on SORBS. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 22:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *::::You blocked [[User:70.16.233.110|70.16.233.110]] for "vandalism". That user inserted "bitch" into a page and reverted it one minute later after realizing that it actually appeared on the module. ''[[w:And you are lynching Negroes|And you are lynching Negroes]].'' I unblocked the dozens of users because they had either been blocked a long time ago, and the block should have expired, or because they were blocked for "vandalism" (not "open proxy or SORBS") without warning.02:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC) *::: I probably was in a hurry and forgot to add "open proxy". Nonetheless, this IP is open proxy according to SORBS. Sometimes I just forget to add open proxy because I'm blocking many vandals simultaneously. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC) *::::When you blocked the IP, it had already been delisted from SORBS. It is a dynamic Verizon IP. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 16:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support'''. Derbeth is helpful and trustworthy, and with the amount of vandalism that he fights, it only makes sense to give him the power to fight vandals better. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[Control Systems|current]])</small> 05:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -- As the tricks vandals use become more and more sophisticated we need people who can act quick and nip problems in the bud. --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 23:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Support'''. 25 votes be damned. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 16:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Abstain'''. Just to indicate that I am aware of this potentially useful tool &ndash; and hope never to witness the need for it. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 20:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -- [[User:John N.|John N.]] 13:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Strongly Oppose''' -- Derbeth has a very aggressive attitude (he makes personal attacks on contributors [[User_talk:Marshman#Basic Ecology Contents]]) that makes his acquisition of any special rights here a potential detriment to Wikibooks. - [[User:Marshman|marsh]] 19:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC). If you want examples of how he will treat you, look at his comments under de-sysoping above - [[User:Marshman|marsh]] * '''Strongly Oppose''' '''comment''': I've only been at wikibooks for a few days. User Derbeth has violated [[WB:DP]]. He has p a speedy delete on the article [[How To Ride The Bus]]. In turn because of the way wikibooks is set-up, unavoidably, the article was sent to [[WB:VFD]]. However according [[WB:DP]] no article should be nominated for vfd for at least 1 week. WB:DP suggest, for new users, such as me, we should wait up to a month before nominate a VFD. I made a vote. And now he says it doesn't count. How the heck am I supposed to vote? The worst thing is. He made me, the new user, do his dirty work. Do we really want someone that can't even loyally represent wikibooks, let alone himself, to have such power. Notwithstanding, and perhaps irrelevant, he is stalling on his refutations in the delete discussion. Because of this I think he encourages bad feelings on wikibooks. Think about it. I do 4 to 5 edits to a new article and he is nominating it for a speedy delete. He encourage people to violate rules. Frankly I feel that he is only going to use this privelege to take advantage of more people. --[[User:72.57.8.2I5|72.57.8.2I5]] 07:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC) ** Two other users described your work as ''complete rubbish'' and ''not a textbook'' - both qualify it to be speedy deleted. You are funny trying to show that I broke any rules - in my opinion this book is a target for speedy deletion, but I haven't deleted it (although I could). --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC) ** This is not the place for discussion about this, but maybe you should visit [[WB:NPA]] before posting offensive material such as this comment. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 18:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC) *** Talking about [[WB:NPA]], I decided to censor a few stuff from both 72.57.8.2I5 and Derbeth. Check my edit corresponding to my signature date if you wanna see my specific cuts. My feelings on Derbeth are very high; he catches vandals and reverts their edits faster than I can say "wow", and he hangs out on the IRC vandal-detector channel all day long (perhaps the 2 go hand-in-hand :-p) . He obviously cares much about Wikibooks and am shocked that someone would have any bad feelings to him. Second, proposed policies such as [[WB:DP]] in Wikibooks are not rules, or even official yet. It says so right on the top of the page. Finally, you should be glad that Derbeth at least put up a speedy-delete tag on instead of deleting it outright. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 02:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Allefant|Allefant]] 17:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' By my understanding, this is the only way to stop registered users from coming back under a new name, even when the fact that they are vandalizing is [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=French&action=history obvious]. In my opinion, that's being way to protective, so you have my support. --[[User:Hagindaz|Hagindaz]] 13:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' We need a checkuser baddly <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Tfurey1|Tfurey1]] ([[User talk:Tfurey1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tfurey1|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small> *'''Support'''. Denying a sysop checkuser rights just because it could be abused would be like calling Superman unsafe but only taking away his heat vision. Either we trust them with everything, or nothing. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 05:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC) * '''Support'''. I hadn't voted because the outcome seemed obvious. Apparently 25 supports are needed. Here's one more. Brian Brondel 13:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 10:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' Derbeth should definatelly be able to do this. Very useful tool, especially considering how easy it is to create an account.[[User:Dolive35|Dolive35]] 10:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:Junkeater|Junkeater]] 19:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] 22:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -- [[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 09:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:AlbertCahalan|AlbertCahalan]] 22:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC) '''Done'''. The stewards have given [[User:Derbeth]] checkuser rights. Thanks to everbody for voting. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC) ==+Oversight== Please see [[../Whiteknight|above]]. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 00:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC) * Acceptance - '''Votes''' ''Closed - abandoned - will archive in the next couple of days --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 15:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)''' ==-CheckUser== [[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] has no CheckUser log entries since 29 December 2006. Removal of CU access has been requested at [[m:Requests for permissions#Derbeth@enwikibooks]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span]]} 01:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC) :This was [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ADerbeth%40enwikibooks done]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 02:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC) ==-Administrator/Bureaucrat== Derbeth has made fewer than 20 edits in the past year, but the most recent tool uses were on Feb 23 2009, with any uses before that over a year ago. Those uses on the 23 I would consider to be under the bureaucrat tool use, as they were all for renaming a user. However, you can't be a bureaucrat unless you're an administrator, and administrative tools haven't been used for a year if you exclude the edits on the 23 I count as part of the user rename. So this nomination is more debatable based on interpretation and community input-- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC) :{{comment}} I hope we have some discussion on this. I think there's a strong case for removal per the inactivity policy under Adrignola's intepretation, but also a case that the policy makes no distinction around why the edits were made and hence removal shouldn't happen yet. I'd prefer not to have a "policy based" argument though and would hope to hear from Derbeth that he intends to continue using the tools and contributing, or supports the removal himself... Will "vote" later. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC) [[meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Derbeth.40en.wikibooks]]. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 21:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks, a pity though. Hope you have the time to come back one day. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 21:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC) [[Category:Requests for desysop]] co4m9aa866r0fs1bv6iuj6z8ihexrko 4639410 4639393 2026-06-08T19:05:38Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639410 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} ==+Administrator== I noticed there is a number of vandalisms being not reverted in English Wikibooks (I once caught one in [[Wikibooks:About]] remaining there for about a month). Also, sites marked for speedy deletion wait for long time. I think I'm able to help fighting with vandalism. I don't have many contributions to English Wikibooks, but I've been an active sysop of Polish Wikibooks for 8 months [http://pl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Specjalna:Contributions/Derbeth]. I think I might be useful, because I live in Poland and have completely different timezone then people in US, so I can catch vandalisms when other sysops are f.e. sleeping. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] 09:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC) * '''Support''' - After having reviewed this user's edit history, it seems they have put in a lot of effort keeping Wikibooks clean and tidy. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Aya|E]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 18:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC) * '''Support''' - Though my vote is moot, I think the other-language WikiBookians could help nip some spammers in the bud before they get to spam too much (because their IP can be blocked here quickly too). --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 22:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC) '''Done''' - Although I was hoping for a few more votes from other users. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Aya|E]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 16:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC) : Well, if you'd waited for me to get off my butt and check his edit history there probably would have been another support vote! [[User:AlbertCahalan|AlbertCahalan]] 03:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC) :Aya, perhaps in the future you could give us a day's notice, just in case? That could help show consensus and motivate people like Albert and me to respond. --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 04:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC) ::Well. The text above gives the impression that a decision will be made in a week, to prevent the problems we had previously when there was no strict deadline, and Wikibooks was slowing running out of active admins. The user made the request on the 23rd Sep, so the decision should've been made on the 30th Sep, although I didn't actually implement it until the 3rd Oct. Still. It all worked out okay in the end. - [[User:Aya|Aya]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Aya|T]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Aya|E]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Aya|C]]} 18:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC) ==+Bureaucrat== Since Aya has gone onto a Wikibreak and we are currently without an active Bureacrat, I'd like to nominate Derbeth to take over this job. Besides, we could use a couple more bureaucrats here as well on Wikibooks with the expanding number of admins and the general growth of Wikibooks. Derbeth has been doing an outstanding job of patrolling vandalism, and in addition has been staying politically neutral on many internal issues for Wikibooks. With his already outstanding service as an administrator, I'd like to give him the additional responsibilities and privileges that come with being a bureaucrat (as well as to clean up the above list of nominiations). The additional responsibilities really are pretty minor, but it would be nice to keep some active bureacrats going on Wikibooks. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:08, 26 December 2005 (UTC) : I never wanted to be a bureaucrat, even when I became a sysop. But as I can see that we are in need of bureaucrats and people here are giving me such support, I won't oppose. I don't have time to track every policy discussion and I am not the one who knows solutions to our problems, but I think I am able to cope with strictly bureaucratic tasks. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 01:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' Seems dedicated to the project. Important to have at least ''one'' active BCrat here. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 15:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC) * Dont we have to wait for Derbeth to accept first? Whatever :) I '''Support''', because he catches so many vandalisms. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 17:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' - as soon as he accept the nomination ;-) --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]} 12:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC) * <s>'''Comment.''' [[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] has not accepted the nomination yet, so I will not vote because these votes might not be counted.</s> However, Derbeth often reverts bad changes to pages and has several entries in the [[Special:Log]] for temporary blocks against IP addresses. This user is very active in protecting Wikibooks from vandals. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 22:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC) : Lol, then I'll vote after he accepts as well :) --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 23:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC) : '''Support''' --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 20:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' --[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] 23:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support.''' Diversity of Bureaus is also important. --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 01:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC) * '''Support''' - several active b'crats is important for the project, and Derbeth is the right choice. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 20:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC) *'''Support'''. I didn't want to vote until Derbeth accepted the nomination, although i admit that i could hardly wait for him to reply. We need more b'crats desperately, and i can't think of a name i've seen more often in the recent changes list fighting vandals and such. Derbeth is an excellent choice for the position, and i only hope it doesnt bring him too much stress! --{{User Whiteknight Sig|Whiteknight}} 04:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' As qualified or more as anyone else here. --[[User:JMRyan|JMRyan]] 21:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' Someone has to do it. (I was tempted to vote against just to get some debate going :-) --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 10:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * <s>'''Oppose''' per below. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 03:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)'''Neutral'''. I don't think Derbeth would abuse bureaucrat powers, but his use of blocking powers is suspect. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 02:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)</s>'''Support'''. I believe the blocking issue has been cleared up. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 02:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC) : I have just been made bureaucrat. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 22:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC) ==+CheckUser== Because I regularly fight vandals I sometimes need to check IP of suspicious registered users. There are other situations when it is good to have possibility of such check - for example, if during a vote some people are likely to be sockpuppets (duplicate accounts of other users). Only stewards and users with CheckUsers rights (neither sysops nor bureaucrats have such rights by default) are able to see IP of registered users. Unfortunately stewards are sometimes unavailable, so I think we should have our own users with CheckUser rights. [[meta:CheckUser Policy]] provides more information about the function. Important thing is that we need at least 25 votes of support for candidate to be chosen. It is hard, but with some determination we can reach this level - every vote counts so please take part in the vote. Second thing is that there should be two or more CheckUser-s at a project. Therefore, I strongly encourage you to support Uncle G, who is another candidate for this function. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 21:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support.''' --[[User:JMRyan|JMRyan]] 21:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' &#45; [[User:Athrash|Athrash]] | [[User_talk:Athrash|^{<span style="color:006633">T</span><span style="color:00AAAA">a</span><span style="color:00BBBB">l</span><span style="color:00DDDD">k</span>}]] 21:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 07:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Krischik|Krischik]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Krischik|T]]} 10:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] 11:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Kwhitefoot|kwhitefoot]] 11:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' We need at least ''somebody'' with this on Wikibooks right now. The 25 vote limit IMHO is way off base, but let's see if we can get that pulled together here.--[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 14:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 17:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 21:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Javariel|Gabe Sechan]] 22:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC) * <s>'''Oppose''' I cannot support this in good faith. Derbeth has frequently blocked users without warning for isolated instances of childish vandalism. This is worse than RickK ever was at Wikipedia. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 03:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)</s> '''Weak oppose''' for giving CheckUser powers out on Wikibooks at this time. *: I think you are looking for revenge for my vote against you during your request for bureaucrat rights. Yes, I often block anonymous users without any warning, but only if they are open proxies. According to [[meta:Proxy blocking]] I have such right, I don't see any sense in disputing with such cases. Only two people complained to me about blocking them, in both cases I removed block as soon as I can. If you check [[special:log/block]] you will see that two mistakes in such number of blocks is just statistical necessity. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *::I am not looking for revenge. Again, you are assuming bad faith. In many cases, these vandals are not blocked for being open proxies, but merely for "vandalism" (see the block log). I am not opposed to long-term blocks of actual open proxies used for vandalism, but if they are not really open proxies, please block for a maximum of 24 hours and warn the user first. Yes, only two users complained about the blocks, but countless others may have left Wikibooks without contesting the block. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 22:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *:::I only block open proxies without waring, show me where I blocked normal IP's for long time. Just take a look at block log and [[http://www.sorbs.net/ SORBS database] - IMO they show I am innocent. Furthermore, block log shows that you are massively unblocking anonymous users - many of which are open proxies listed on SORBS. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 22:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *::::You blocked [[User:70.16.233.110|70.16.233.110]] for "vandalism". That user inserted "bitch" into a page and reverted it one minute later after realizing that it actually appeared on the module. ''[[w:And you are lynching Negroes|And you are lynching Negroes]].'' I unblocked the dozens of users because they had either been blocked a long time ago, and the block should have expired, or because they were blocked for "vandalism" (not "open proxy or SORBS") without warning.02:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC) *::: I probably was in a hurry and forgot to add "open proxy". Nonetheless, this IP is open proxy according to SORBS. Sometimes I just forget to add open proxy because I'm blocking many vandals simultaneously. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC) *::::When you blocked the IP, it had already been delisted from SORBS. It is a dynamic Verizon IP. [[User:Guanaco|Guanaco]] 16:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support'''. Derbeth is helpful and trustworthy, and with the amount of vandalism that he fights, it only makes sense to give him the power to fight vandals better. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[Control Systems|current]])</small> 05:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -- As the tricks vandals use become more and more sophisticated we need people who can act quick and nip problems in the bud. --[[User:Mshonle|MShonle]] 23:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC) *'''Support'''. 25 votes be damned. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 16:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Abstain'''. Just to indicate that I am aware of this potentially useful tool &ndash; and hope never to witness the need for it. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 20:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -- [[User:John N.|John N.]] 13:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC) * '''Strongly Oppose''' -- Derbeth has a very aggressive attitude (he makes personal attacks on contributors [[User_talk:Marshman#Basic Ecology Contents]]) that makes his acquisition of any special rights here a potential detriment to Wikibooks. - [[User:Marshman|marsh]] 19:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC). If you want examples of how he will treat you, look at his comments under de-sysoping above - [[User:Marshman|marsh]] * '''Strongly Oppose''' '''comment''': I've only been at wikibooks for a few days. User Derbeth has violated [[WB:DP]]. He has p a speedy delete on the article [[How To Ride The Bus]]. In turn because of the way wikibooks is set-up, unavoidably, the article was sent to [[WB:VFD]]. However according [[WB:DP]] no article should be nominated for vfd for at least 1 week. WB:DP suggest, for new users, such as me, we should wait up to a month before nominate a VFD. I made a vote. And now he says it doesn't count. How the heck am I supposed to vote? The worst thing is. He made me, the new user, do his dirty work. Do we really want someone that can't even loyally represent wikibooks, let alone himself, to have such power. Notwithstanding, and perhaps irrelevant, he is stalling on his refutations in the delete discussion. Because of this I think he encourages bad feelings on wikibooks. Think about it. I do 4 to 5 edits to a new article and he is nominating it for a speedy delete. He encourage people to violate rules. Frankly I feel that he is only going to use this privelege to take advantage of more people. --[[User:72.57.8.2I5|72.57.8.2I5]] 07:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC) ** Two other users described your work as ''complete rubbish'' and ''not a textbook'' - both qualify it to be speedy deleted. You are funny trying to show that I broke any rules - in my opinion this book is a target for speedy deletion, but I haven't deleted it (although I could). --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 09:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC) ** This is not the place for discussion about this, but maybe you should visit [[WB:NPA]] before posting offensive material such as this comment. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 18:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC) *** Talking about [[WB:NPA]], I decided to censor a few stuff from both 72.57.8.2I5 and Derbeth. Check my edit corresponding to my signature date if you wanna see my specific cuts. My feelings on Derbeth are very high; he catches vandals and reverts their edits faster than I can say "wow", and he hangs out on the IRC vandal-detector channel all day long (perhaps the 2 go hand-in-hand :-p) . He obviously cares much about Wikibooks and am shocked that someone would have any bad feelings to him. Second, proposed policies such as [[WB:DP]] in Wikibooks are not rules, or even official yet. It says so right on the top of the page. Finally, you should be glad that Derbeth at least put up a speedy-delete tag on instead of deleting it outright. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 02:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Allefant|Allefant]] 17:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' By my understanding, this is the only way to stop registered users from coming back under a new name, even when the fact that they are vandalizing is [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=French&action=history obvious]. In my opinion, that's being way to protective, so you have my support. --[[User:Hagindaz|Hagindaz]] 13:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' We need a checkuser baddly <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Tfurey1|Tfurey1]] ([[User talk:Tfurey1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tfurey1|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small> *'''Support'''. Denying a sysop checkuser rights just because it could be abused would be like calling Superman unsafe but only taking away his heat vision. Either we trust them with everything, or nothing. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 05:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 12:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC) * '''Support'''. I hadn't voted because the outcome seemed obvious. Apparently 25 supports are needed. Here's one more. Brian Brondel 13:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:Kellen|Kellen]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Kellen|T]]} 10:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' Derbeth should definatelly be able to do this. Very useful tool, especially considering how easy it is to create an account.[[User:Dolive35|Dolive35]] 10:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 06:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:Junkeater|Junkeater]] 19:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' --[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] 22:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' -- [[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 09:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC) * '''Support''' [[User:AlbertCahalan|AlbertCahalan]] 22:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC) '''Done'''. The stewards have given [[User:Derbeth]] checkuser rights. Thanks to everbody for voting. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC) ==+Oversight== Please see [[../Whiteknight|above]]. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 00:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC) * Acceptance - '''Votes''' ''Closed - abandoned - will archive in the next couple of days --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 15:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)''' ==-CheckUser== [[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] has no CheckUser log entries since 29 December 2006. Removal of CU access has been requested at [[m:Requests for permissions#Derbeth@enwikibooks]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 01:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC) :This was [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ADerbeth%40enwikibooks done]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 02:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC) ==-Administrator/Bureaucrat== Derbeth has made fewer than 20 edits in the past year, but the most recent tool uses were on Feb 23 2009, with any uses before that over a year ago. Those uses on the 23 I would consider to be under the bureaucrat tool use, as they were all for renaming a user. However, you can't be a bureaucrat unless you're an administrator, and administrative tools haven't been used for a year if you exclude the edits on the 23 I count as part of the user rename. So this nomination is more debatable based on interpretation and community input-- [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ^{[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]} 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC) :{{comment}} I hope we have some discussion on this. I think there's a strong case for removal per the inactivity policy under Adrignola's intepretation, but also a case that the policy makes no distinction around why the edits were made and hence removal shouldn't happen yet. I'd prefer not to have a "policy based" argument though and would hope to hear from Derbeth that he intends to continue using the tools and contributing, or supports the removal himself... Will "vote" later. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC) [[meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Derbeth.40en.wikibooks]]. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 21:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC) ::Thanks, a pity though. Hope you have the time to come back one day. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''Unusual? Quite'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 21:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC) [[Category:Requests for desysop]] pc0g1q1akrnvmsaek7ql7hpizl2d1ha 4 235471 4639406 4581912 2026-06-08T18:56:25Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639406 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} ==+Administrator== Mike has been working on the first aid book (among other things), and should definitely have access to import, be able to do history merges, etc. He doesn't have a lot of edits in the Wikibooks: namespace, but from his (long) history here I'd say he's definitely trustworthy, and the tools will be very useful to him as he works on the first aid book (he vandal patrols a bit too). I'll happily "mentor" him vis-a-vis the use of the tools and WB policies (I have mentored before on Wikiversity). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 18:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :'''Accept''': I accept this nomination and promise to use these powers for good, not evil :P Specifically, importing edit histories for stuff I 'stole' from WP last week. I should clean up my own mess. [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] 19:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - Mike has done an excellent job on the [[First Aid]] book. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 19:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - He a goodie not a badie. Good job so far. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 22:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - Legit need for the buttons. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 23:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} (as nominator) --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 08:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - will make good use of those buttons. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 08:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} I really think we are reaching a point in our history where adminship can be given to more people then just the elite few users who do super-human work around here. A user like Mike.lifeguard who is hard-working, trustworthy, and experienced should be given the tools, both for his own empowerment, and also to ease the burden on other admins. The people who are the most productive authors tend to need the most admin-tool-help of anybody. Mike is a great choice, he does good work, and he will be an asset. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC) {{Done}} I wanted to wait a little bit longer on this one because there were comparatively fewer votes and I wanted everybody to have time to say their piece. After 9 days there are no opposing votes nor opposing sentiments of any kind. [[User:Mike.lifeguard]] is now an admin. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC) ==+CheckUser== I'd like to nominate Mike for checkuser rights. Mike is a good, solid contributor of content, a wise and thoughtful contributor to our community discussions, deals kindly and creatively with disruptive users, and is an excellent and active RC patroller. As he has firmly established himself as an integral part of our "front line defense" against silliness and hostility, I think he should have this tool available to him if and when he needs it. As with all of our current Checkusers, I trust him completely (if he lived closer I might ask him to babysit). CU tools are of course only for the worst cases, but worst cases have, do, and will (unfortunately) continue to arise, and Mike is just the sort of person we'd want to be there when it does. I feel confident that he would use this tool with the caution and reluctance that are the marks of a good Checkuser. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 00:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC) :'''I accept''' and a big thanks to [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] for the vote of confidence. I hope my involvement since getting admin buttons has demonstrated the necessary qualities to the rest of the community as well. I'm certainly up to learning how the tools work & applying them when necessary. As we all know, the CU tools are a [[m:CheckUser policy|delicate matter]], and I would certainly aim to abide by the relevant policies were I to gain the buttons. For CUs it is important to be available, and my classload next semester is lighter than it is now, so I will be maintaining my activity level here. In the immediate future (2 weeks), however, I will be on semi-wiki-break as I have exams; I will be around, but not particularly active. I will check in on this nomination from time to time, and will gladly address any concerns people bring up, though I hope there will be no major concerns. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 01:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC) ::Relax Mike. :) A simple I accept would have been suffice. ^^ --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 03:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC) #[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''{{{1|Support}}}''' per nom. --[[User:Az1568|Az1568]]^{([[User talk:Az1568|Talk]])} 01:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} - as nominator, of course. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 02:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} My only hesitation is that Mike is a relative newcomer to adminship, and historically CU nominations are generally for people who have been here a long time. However, as Johnny points out in his thoughtful nomination, since getting the tools Mike has proved himself to be an invaluable asset. I strongly support this nomination, and hope that other people support it as well. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 02:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} While mine on this occasion is something of a "me too" vote, I'm backing those whom I have found to be effective administrators in their recommendation. -- [[User:James Dennett|James Dennett]] 06:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} This has been going through my mind recently and Mike would be my choice for this role too. It is a delicate job however equally it is a "front line" job and Mike fits that well. Competent admin with the ability to see across wikis (something well worthwhile IMO). Purely the ability to see the log would be beneficial to the community I think. I would certainly do all I can to make sure he gets off to a good start --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 08:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Again, more of a Me Too vote... My interaction with Mike has been limited, but he has seemed to me to be a reasonable voice. In this, though, because of how limited my interaction has been, I am largely echoing those that I trust. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 08:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} I have always been impressed with Mike's work on the English Wikibooks. [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] 09:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] 12:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 14:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Agree with everything in the nomination, and I completely trust Mike's judgement --[[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 15:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}}, I certainly think that he would find good use for the tools and has shown himself worthy of them. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 21:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 02:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} I don´t see why not, he is a great user. :) Good luck mate! --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 03:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} as I'm sure he'll perform the tasks well. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 13:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC) #<s>{{oppose}} This is in no way a vote "against" Mike but, rather, a vote against the need for another Check User. Privacy is a very sensitive matter and I would prefer as few people as possible to have access to such sensitive data. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 00:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)</s> {{support}} This vote should be based on the character and actions of Mike and not other issues so I have changed my vote to 'support'. After the voting is over it might be useful to determine how many Check Users Wikibooks needs and how sensitive such a role is. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 19:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}} ...[[User:Selden|Selden]] ([[User talk:Selden|talk]]) 19:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}} --[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]] ([[User talk:Jacques Bergeron|talk]]) 02:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}}--[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] ([[User talk:Cspurrier|talk]]) 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' [[User talk:Cbrown1023|<small>'''<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>'''</small>]] 17:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}} Balanced contributions, well-known person, great votes on the RfDs. Cheers, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 01:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} My relatively short experience of him is overwhelmingly positive :) [[User:Redrocketboy|Redrocketboy]] ([[User talk:Redrocketboy|talk]]) 00:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} He has been amazingly responsive identifying a cross-wiki vandal on Simple English Wikibooks. I feel confident he would put the CU rights to good use --[[User:Ezra Katz|Ezra Katz]] ([[User talk:Ezra Katz|talk]]) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Very good user, has my full support. --[[User:Neskaya|Neskaya]] ([[User talk:Neskaya|talk]]) 01:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Mike is trustworthy, active, responsive, motivated to help Wikibooks and Wikibookians, and has demonstrated a need for the tools. All qualities that I think made a good checkuser. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC) 25 support votes achieved, the rights have been requested on Meta which will be subject to Mike identifying himself to the Foundation --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 08:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC) {{done}} the rights have been given this morning. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 14:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :Thanks to all who voted; I do have the buttons now. I'd like to see the discussion at [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/General#Checkusers]] continue if there are outstanding questions or concerns about the CU tools and how they're used. I think we should address the issue of activity levels which Xania brought up, but this will require input from all corners. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 16:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ==== Discussion ==== I hope nobody minds if I move this down here where we have more room to talk, and don't have to worry about the formatting getting "borked" with every new comment that's added. I do want to keep this discussion close, because it is very important to the vote. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC) :Checkusers just have access to IP's and whatever right? That isn't so sensitive I think. So what, what it matter if one person has this rights or a thousand do? There are always people that can do it. What matters is this, is it better to have 1 person to have Checkuser rights and be very nasty person, or a thousand great honourable members like Mike.Lifeguard with CheckUser? Its QUALITY not Quantity. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 05:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::Just a little informational note here. Currently, we have [[Special:Listusers/Checkuser|4 checkusers]]: myself, Johnny, Herby, and Derbeth. Derbeth is inactive here, has been for some time, and has expressed to me that he has been more active at other projects (pl.wiktionary specifically). Johnny has been spending significantly more time at Wikiversity and Commons. Herby also has been spending more and more time on commons, meta, and even wikipedia now. It is not inconceivable that within the space of 1 year we could be down to two checkusers here. According to foundation policy, we cannot have just one, so having only two puts us in a very precarious position. If we lose one, we would lose both. With that in mind, I would say that quantity is a ''big issue'' right now with this. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 05:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC) :::Supporting Whiteknight's point completely. Derbeth is absent and I do not spend as much time here as I did. On this wiki CU is a "front line" tools for dealing with hard core vandals, nothing more, nothing less. The tools are and should only be used if needed but they should be available as quickly as possible. Mike is the right choice, he is far more active than many admins and you yourself (Xania) state that your vote is not against him. --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 07:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::::Ok, maybe it is so that quantity is an issue, but regardless of numbers and avalibility, I think Mike should still get CU. He knows this project in and out from what I have noticed by his contributions, edit count, and userpage. I support what Whiteknight and Herby stated, and Xania I think you should read over these comments and maybe reconsider your opposition vote for Mike. :) --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 17:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC) :::::Xania makes a very good point, one that was raised on the other votes for the tools (people seem to forget what they have said), a number limitation to users with the flag is in order, and that was one of the aspects I considered before supporting the nomination, in regard to the number of administrators we have. If there is a need to have more active users with the tools, next time, it will be better to redistribute them than increasing the pool. Another problem is lack of information that leads to misunderstanding, the nominator has been low on activity on site, if back channels were used to reach an understanding for the need for the nomination, I can stress it enough that it should be avoided or an expression of it should be stated on the general discussion areas so other Wikibookians can have a clear picture, and give input on what the existing problems are... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 18:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::"back channels" were not used to decide to make this nomination. Nobody knew he was going to do it until Johnny posted it here. Derbeth's activity is a matter of [[Special:Contributions/Derbeth|public record]], although I will admit that the fact he has become more active at pl.wiktionary is not known publicly (but that doesnt affect his inactivity here). Johnny's and Herby's activity levels are also public record, and the fact that they are both more active in other places is pretty common information. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 21:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::Huh. For the record, no-one (including Mike) knew about this nomination ahead of time (except Az_1568 and anyone else on the IRC channel who was there while I was writing the nomination). My only interest in making the nomination was (and is) because Mike is often in the position where the tool would help him help the project. ::::::As nominator, I'd like to request that this debate end here. Xania is absolutely entitled to his opinion, and we don't need to open a debate every time we disagree on something. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 23:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC) :::::::Although he disagreed, its not that, but the reason he disagreed. I opened a debate because I feel that his vote for disagreement is not really valid reason to be against, in a sensitive vote for CheckUser, it is always good to challenge votes and decisions. That is the beauty of Wiki. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|talk]]) 03:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::::My vote is entirely valid and I have stated my reasons but if nobody else voices their opposition I will have no problems accepting the will of the Wikibook users. I looked at Meta information and apart from English Wikipedia and Polish Wikis (which seem to have a different policy regarding CheckUsers) most projects have only 2 CheckUsers. I think that even such information as IP addresses is sensitive data. I'm not happy at being 'encouraged' to change my mind when I have made my feelings known quite clearly. However I think that other CheckUsers who are not active should decide whether they wish to continue having such status as many people DO think that access to such information is an important matter. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 21:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::::::Okei, I apologise Xania. I mean, what I should have said was at this point your vote doesn't really matter at all since Mike only needs 5 more votes. :) --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|talk]]) 16:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC) :Wow! This got out of hand fairly quickly. Hopefully these random comments can be ''the last''. :Xania's comment is just fine, and is as important as the rest of them. There ''should'' be a limited number of CUs; the disagreement is whether we have enough (active) ones now, and whether that will continue or not. IPs ''are'' sensitive data, and access to them is not to be taken lightly (which I don't). We have no backdoor channels to use, so Panic's comment can simply be disregarded. Nobody except Johnny knew ahead of time that this nomination was coming. For the record, it ''is'' public knowledge where {{plainlinks|1=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Derbeth&lang=|2=Derbeth}}, {{plainlinks|1=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=SB+Johnny&lang=|2=SB Johnny}} and {{plainlinks|1=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Herbythyme&lang=|2=Herbythyme}} are spending their time. These three are very much cross-wiki people (a good thing; we need more cross-wiki cooperation), which unfortunately means we don't have as much time with them as we once did. Whiteknight's assessment of the situation is a tad dire, but not too far off the mark. CUs need to be available and responsive to the community they serve. If that means some CU tools should be taken away at the same time, we can discuss it. For now, however, I think I would be a good choice for the tools as I'm (judging by the votes and not by my ego) trustworthy and (judging by the fact that I'm here writing this about 2 hours before a final exam) available. In the end, Xania's vote counts, and the reasoning is understandable, though I disagree. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 17:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC) ::And that is exactly why Mike would make a great CU. Well said mate :) Good luck on your finals. I begin them Monday. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|talk]]) 19:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC) ::I don't think my remark shouldn't be disregarded even if you think it was out of oder or unproductive. I was not commenting directly on the nomination but on what could drive people to express opposition to similar proposals (lack of information). :::The fact is there '''are''' back channels, but the problem only exists if needed information is subtracted from the main accepted channel. I for once was not aware on any CU problem, as in delay on getting the information, and as I'm not active in any other Wikimedia project I don't fallow other users activities outside of Wikibooks (if they do not mention it here), and think other Wikibookians also don't have any other contact with activities other than the on site postings. :::The other fact is I voted for you based on your activity and do know you will need and make use of the tools, but not because of a pressing need to have another user with the tools, in that respect I was as inclined as Xania to oppose it, even more since [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] did indeed came out of the blue with the nomination and the text doesn't refer any other aspects. (I know his activity here is low at the moment and he is active on other related activities like the IRC support, it is common sense to think that some reason or discussion/request had lead to this particular spontaneous and unsolicited nomination.) :::This only has any impact if taken in account that I remember clearly past discussions about the tools, and it was with some admiration I saw so many support votes (clearly indicative of how your actions have been appreciated), but almost every one failed to stress the point that makes the CU tools a security risk. Trust but verify. A better appreciation of the facts would be gathered if you checked previous discussions on this topic. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC) :First off, I wasn't trying to persuade Xania to change his vote, I was simply trying to make known information which is available, but might not be readily known. Even though peoples edit histories are common knowledge, I can't expect Xania or anybody to research them all in depth before a vote like this. All I wanted to say was that, in a sense, we appear to have more CUs then we actually have. That's why I was trying to share this information, because I was aware of it. :Second, in response to panic, there may indeed be "back channels" in the sense that all users have private email addresses. We also have the mailing list and IRC channel, both of which are under-utlized. If you are concerned about the dealings that happen in these two places, it's nobody's fault but your own that you don't participate in them. After the issue came up previously, it was made known that decisions could not be made through these venues without some kind of on-wiki account of it. To my knowledge, no violation of this de facto rule has occurred since it was created, unless you have some kind of evidence of it. Regardless, no portion of this nomination or the ensuing vote have been influenced by any off-wiki communications that I am aware of, so it's fruitless to talk about it here any further. If you do want to make a discussion out of it, you are welcome to start a discussion someplace more appropriate. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC) ::It would be great if everyone had the private email addresses added to their account but alas that is only wishful thinking. As for the back channels I'm not rehashing old discussion nor implying any sort of bad faith, and I'm only still addressing the issue because it seems that we have a difference of opinion. I disagree with your view, as I understand it as expressed above. That if any information doesn't become evident to users it's their fault by not subscribing to secondary sources. That is the point I was making from the start. Any discussion of significance or facts can only become valid and constructive if they are reflected on Wikibooks, no expectation can be imparted only because a number of Wikibookians seem to be are aware of them, they must be part of the public record, here, as to validate any expectation of mutual understanding of the problems/subjects. Do you disagree with this last statement ? If so a more broad discussion on the subject may be of use. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Further discussion located at [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/General#Checkusers]] &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 01:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC) ==+Bureaucrat== {{closed|1='''Withdrawn by the candidate''' - This wiki has no need of more bureaucrats. I also believe that some of the !votes below were cast for wrong reasons. Bureaucrat tasks are not urgent, but do require a strong ability to weigh consensus. Whether I have that capacity is not for me to judge, but in doing so one should not consider whether I'm quickly available (that's important for admins and CUs, but not for 'crats). Instead, discussion should centre on cases where I've had to decide what the community thinks about some issue. Examples might be [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1088933#Consensus_check the discussion around user rights] or my closing of [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Laleena.C2.A0.28_talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.29|Laleena's RFA]] or any number of [[WB:VFD|VFDs]] or the attempt at consensus on the [[Wikibooks:Blocking guideline|Blocking guideline]] which I attempted to broker (and failed). <br/>If we come to have need of another bureaucrat in the future we can consider me for the tools, but addressing the relevant issues. For now, since we don't, I withdraw my candidacy. Thanks to all who commented, and [[User:Whiteknight|my nominator]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 02:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)}} Mike is a a highly active veteran here, and if anybody is qualified to be a bureaucrat, Mike is the guy. He's an admin and a CU already. He has over 12,000 edits, with more then half (6,300) being admin actions (4,000+ deletions, 1,800+ user blocks). He's active on wiki and on IRC, so he's easy to get in touch with if people need anything. He's active in new page patrolling, image license issues, vandalism fighting, welcoming new users, and many other thankless tasks. He's an excellent and obvious candidate for the position, and I hope that the rest of the community agrees with me on that. On a logistical note, We currently have 4 bureaucrats. I know that I have not been as active recently as I would like (although that should be changing as I get closer to the end of the semester). The other three [[User:Derbeth]], [[User:SB Johnny]], and [[User:Withinfocus]] have not been as active recently as they once were (although they are not "inactive" in the way we've defined it here either). I personally don't believe that we need to have some sort of finite limit or "quota" of bureaucrats or admins, although I know other members do have reservations about promoting too many. Regardless of the numbers, however, Mike is eminently qualified for the position. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC) ::''I accept the nomination, and thank Whiteknight for it. I'll try not to make a big statement like I did on the [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_4#Mike.lifeguard.C2.A0.28_talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.29|CU nom]], since many of the same comments apply here. I do have the time to take on some additional tools, so if I have the community's trust I'll be happy to serve this role. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</sapn>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 05:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)'' :{{support}} --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:Mike6271|Mike6271]] ([[User talk:Mike6271|talk]]) 01:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - Mike has been a huge help with any and all questions new users might have, does a ton of work around here, and if a bureaucrat is needed, I can't think of a better candidate. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 02:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - I had noticed the reduced presence of our 'crats (albeit without particular need for their services - yet!) so I was wondering whether we needed to find another. I reckon we've found him :) [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 02:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{comment}} As I seem people already adding support votes before the user formally accepts the nomination, I would like to point out that votes should came after it (just to preserve some order and remove any kind of pear pressure for acceptance). Lets wait a bit for the user to explain if he has the will, time and inclination to perform the extra function. Please remember to place a notice in on staff lounge at least after the user accepts the nomination. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC) ::I had put a notice on the bulletin board, I was heading to the staff lounge and I got sidetracked. I'll do it now. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 02:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :::Next time even those steps should wait for the acceptance doing things otherwise takes the air of predetermination, or an offer one shouldn't refuse. In any case since we are commenting on the subject I personally don't think that Mike.lifeguard was the best candidate for the job. I haven't interacted with him to much but to me he seems to been prone to make snap decisions, and short on words, probably his time and attention is already overextended or probably a character trace as he seems to me to be a very decided person. I don't think he is wrong to the job but there are others that have more experience and would ensure a higher level of commitment to the function, again I don't perceive the need for another bureaucrat, not on the number of administrators we have and on the activity the function has, and Mike has already some extra function to deal with. I haven't yet decided my vote but if opposition appears I will probably support that side. That said my vote will not be a reflection of my views on the user since almost any of the administrators could do the job. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 05:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - only too happy to. Mike is a very experienced, hard working, fair and neutral Wikibookian who is very intimate with policy. --- <strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:Silver">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|^{<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span>}]] 05:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 13:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 21:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - A very dependable and experienced Wikibookian. Has my support all the way. [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 20:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC) :{{oppose}} - We don't need more bureaucrats, it's that simple. The four already here can do the once a month task that comes up and we have done so quickly and easily in the past. Four bureaucrats is already pretty large for this project. This is unnecessary. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</sapn>]] 21:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC) :{{oppose}} --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC) {{end closed}} ==+Bureaucrat== {{closed|1= {{Done}}. It's been a week with nothing but positive support for this candidate. Mike is now a bureaucrat. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 12:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)}} :Thanks to all who supported me both here and [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Mike.lifeguard|previously]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 14:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC) I'd like to nominate Mike for the Bureaucrat tools, as a well trusted and incredibly active member of our staff. We are in dire need of at least one new 'crat due to the snowballing requests for renames related to the SUL issues that are affecting all Wikimedia wikis nowadays. Someone with Mike's seemingly unlimited appetite to be helpful and do thankless jobs will take a lot of pressure off of the current B'crats (especially with 2 of us being very busy with other things right now). There's a big job that needs doing here, and Mike's the right man for the job. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 10:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC) ::For reference, I had withdrawn a [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Mike.lifeguard|previous]] nomination on the grounds that we didn't need more manpower with bureaucrat tools, and that the discussion wasn't on-topic. As now it seems [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike.lifeguard&diff=11961446&oldid=11949566 there ''is'' need for more], here we are. Please do consider my comments in withdrawing that nomination when making comments here. However, I accept the nomination, and I don't mind having some additional work to do :). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 19:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{Support}} - I'm surprised he didn't have this already. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 11:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{Comment}} We need to wait until he accepts before voting. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:Ramac|Ramac]] ([[User talk:Ramac|talk]]) 19:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} It's obvious that we need at least another, and I can't think of anyone better suited. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 00:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} If we need another 'crat, I couldn't think of any people better for the job than Mike. [[User:PiemanXC|PiemanXC]] ([[User talk:PiemanXC|talk]]) 01:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} Mike is the obvious candidate. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 07:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - [[User:Emesee|Remi]] ([[User talk:Emesee|talk]]) 08:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - Definitely the best candidate [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 11:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - of course --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 13:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}}--[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] ([[User talk:Cspurrier|talk]]) 16:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}}--[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - You mean he isn't one already? How could such an oversight have been made? :-) Yes, we definitely need Mike as a 'crat here. --<font face="Tahoma">[[User:Willscrlt|'''<span style="color:royalblue">Will</span>'''<span style="color:crimson">scrlt</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Willscrlt|<span style="color:royalblue">Talk</span>]])</small></font> 16:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] ([[User talk:Junesun|talk]]) 18:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} Sure. --[[User:Az1568|Az1568]]^{([[User talk:Az1568|Talk]])} 21:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC) {{end closed}} 4nq7vqmgikg5341vszdvoqwzyq8bsi0 4639407 4639406 2026-06-08T19:02:40Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 Undid revision [[Special:Diff/4639406|4639406]] by [[Special:Contributions/ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|discuss]]) 4639407 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} ==+Administrator== Mike has been working on the first aid book (among other things), and should definitely have access to import, be able to do history merges, etc. He doesn't have a lot of edits in the Wikibooks: namespace, but from his (long) history here I'd say he's definitely trustworthy, and the tools will be very useful to him as he works on the first aid book (he vandal patrols a bit too). I'll happily "mentor" him vis-a-vis the use of the tools and WB policies (I have mentored before on Wikiversity). --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 18:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC) :'''Accept''': I accept this nomination and promise to use these powers for good, not evil :P Specifically, importing edit histories for stuff I 'stole' from WP last week. I should clean up my own mess. [[User:Mike.lifeguard|Mike.lifeguard]] 19:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - Mike has done an excellent job on the [[First Aid]] book. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 19:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - He a goodie not a badie. Good job so far. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 22:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - Legit need for the buttons. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 23:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} (as nominator) --[[User:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 08:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} - will make good use of those buttons. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 08:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC) {{support}} I really think we are reaching a point in our history where adminship can be given to more people then just the elite few users who do super-human work around here. A user like Mike.lifeguard who is hard-working, trustworthy, and experienced should be given the tools, both for his own empowerment, and also to ease the burden on other admins. The people who are the most productive authors tend to need the most admin-tool-help of anybody. Mike is a great choice, he does good work, and he will be an asset. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 13:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC) {{Done}} I wanted to wait a little bit longer on this one because there were comparatively fewer votes and I wanted everybody to have time to say their piece. After 9 days there are no opposing votes nor opposing sentiments of any kind. [[User:Mike.lifeguard]] is now an admin. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC) ==+CheckUser== I'd like to nominate Mike for checkuser rights. Mike is a good, solid contributor of content, a wise and thoughtful contributor to our community discussions, deals kindly and creatively with disruptive users, and is an excellent and active RC patroller. As he has firmly established himself as an integral part of our "front line defense" against silliness and hostility, I think he should have this tool available to him if and when he needs it. As with all of our current Checkusers, I trust him completely (if he lived closer I might ask him to babysit). CU tools are of course only for the worst cases, but worst cases have, do, and will (unfortunately) continue to arise, and Mike is just the sort of person we'd want to be there when it does. I feel confident that he would use this tool with the caution and reluctance that are the marks of a good Checkuser. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 00:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC) :'''I accept''' and a big thanks to [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] for the vote of confidence. I hope my involvement since getting admin buttons has demonstrated the necessary qualities to the rest of the community as well. I'm certainly up to learning how the tools work & applying them when necessary. As we all know, the CU tools are a [[m:CheckUser policy|delicate matter]], and I would certainly aim to abide by the relevant policies were I to gain the buttons. For CUs it is important to be available, and my classload next semester is lighter than it is now, so I will be maintaining my activity level here. In the immediate future (2 weeks), however, I will be on semi-wiki-break as I have exams; I will be around, but not particularly active. I will check in on this nomination from time to time, and will gladly address any concerns people bring up, though I hope there will be no major concerns. '''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 01:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC) ::Relax Mike. :) A simple I accept would have been suffice. ^^ --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 03:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC) #[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''{{{1|Support}}}''' per nom. --[[User:Az1568|Az1568]]^{([[User talk:Az1568|Talk]])} 01:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} - as nominator, of course. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 02:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} My only hesitation is that Mike is a relative newcomer to adminship, and historically CU nominations are generally for people who have been here a long time. However, as Johnny points out in his thoughtful nomination, since getting the tools Mike has proved himself to be an invaluable asset. I strongly support this nomination, and hope that other people support it as well. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 02:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} While mine on this occasion is something of a "me too" vote, I'm backing those whom I have found to be effective administrators in their recommendation. -- [[User:James Dennett|James Dennett]] 06:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} This has been going through my mind recently and Mike would be my choice for this role too. It is a delicate job however equally it is a "front line" job and Mike fits that well. Competent admin with the ability to see across wikis (something well worthwhile IMO). Purely the ability to see the log would be beneficial to the community I think. I would certainly do all I can to make sure he gets off to a good start --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 08:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Again, more of a Me Too vote... My interaction with Mike has been limited, but he has seemed to me to be a reasonable voice. In this, though, because of how limited my interaction has been, I am largely echoing those that I trust. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 08:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} I have always been impressed with Mike's work on the English Wikibooks. [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] 09:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] 12:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 14:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Agree with everything in the nomination, and I completely trust Mike's judgement --[[User:Urbane|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 15:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}}, I certainly think that he would find good use for the tools and has shown himself worthy of them. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 21:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 02:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} I don´t see why not, he is a great user. :) Good luck mate! --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 03:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} as I'm sure he'll perform the tasks well. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 13:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC) #<s>{{oppose}} This is in no way a vote "against" Mike but, rather, a vote against the need for another Check User. Privacy is a very sensitive matter and I would prefer as few people as possible to have access to such sensitive data. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 00:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)</s> {{support}} This vote should be based on the character and actions of Mike and not other issues so I have changed my vote to 'support'. After the voting is over it might be useful to determine how many Check Users Wikibooks needs and how sensitive such a role is. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 19:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}} ...[[User:Selden|Selden]] ([[User talk:Selden|talk]]) 19:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}} --[[User:Jacques Bergeron|Jacques]] ([[User talk:Jacques Bergeron|talk]]) 02:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}}--[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] ([[User talk:Cspurrier|talk]]) 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' [[User talk:Cbrown1023|<small>'''<span style="color:#002bb8">talk</span>'''</small>]] 17:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC) #{{Support}} Balanced contributions, well-known person, great votes on the RfDs. Cheers, [[User:Laleena|Laleena]] ([[User talk:Laleena|talk]]) 01:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} My relatively short experience of him is overwhelmingly positive :) [[User:Redrocketboy|Redrocketboy]] ([[User talk:Redrocketboy|talk]]) 00:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} He has been amazingly responsive identifying a cross-wiki vandal on Simple English Wikibooks. I feel confident he would put the CU rights to good use --[[User:Ezra Katz|Ezra Katz]] ([[User talk:Ezra Katz|talk]]) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Very good user, has my full support. --[[User:Neskaya|Neskaya]] ([[User talk:Neskaya|talk]]) 01:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC) #{{support}} Mike is trustworthy, active, responsive, motivated to help Wikibooks and Wikibookians, and has demonstrated a need for the tools. All qualities that I think made a good checkuser. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC) 25 support votes achieved, the rights have been requested on Meta which will be subject to Mike identifying himself to the Foundation --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 08:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC) {{done}} the rights have been given this morning. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 14:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC) :Thanks to all who voted; I do have the buttons now. I'd like to see the discussion at [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/General#Checkusers]] continue if there are outstanding questions or concerns about the CU tools and how they're used. I think we should address the issue of activity levels which Xania brought up, but this will require input from all corners. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 16:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ==== Discussion ==== I hope nobody minds if I move this down here where we have more room to talk, and don't have to worry about the formatting getting "borked" with every new comment that's added. I do want to keep this discussion close, because it is very important to the vote. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC) :Checkusers just have access to IP's and whatever right? That isn't so sensitive I think. So what, what it matter if one person has this rights or a thousand do? There are always people that can do it. What matters is this, is it better to have 1 person to have Checkuser rights and be very nasty person, or a thousand great honourable members like Mike.Lifeguard with CheckUser? Its QUALITY not Quantity. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 05:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::Just a little informational note here. Currently, we have [[Special:Listusers/Checkuser|4 checkusers]]: myself, Johnny, Herby, and Derbeth. Derbeth is inactive here, has been for some time, and has expressed to me that he has been more active at other projects (pl.wiktionary specifically). Johnny has been spending significantly more time at Wikiversity and Commons. Herby also has been spending more and more time on commons, meta, and even wikipedia now. It is not inconceivable that within the space of 1 year we could be down to two checkusers here. According to foundation policy, we cannot have just one, so having only two puts us in a very precarious position. If we lose one, we would lose both. With that in mind, I would say that quantity is a ''big issue'' right now with this. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 05:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC) :::Supporting Whiteknight's point completely. Derbeth is absent and I do not spend as much time here as I did. On this wiki CU is a "front line" tools for dealing with hard core vandals, nothing more, nothing less. The tools are and should only be used if needed but they should be available as quickly as possible. Mike is the right choice, he is far more active than many admins and you yourself (Xania) state that your vote is not against him. --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 07:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::::Ok, maybe it is so that quantity is an issue, but regardless of numbers and avalibility, I think Mike should still get CU. He knows this project in and out from what I have noticed by his contributions, edit count, and userpage. I support what Whiteknight and Herby stated, and Xania I think you should read over these comments and maybe reconsider your opposition vote for Mike. :) --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] 17:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC) :::::Xania makes a very good point, one that was raised on the other votes for the tools (people seem to forget what they have said), a number limitation to users with the flag is in order, and that was one of the aspects I considered before supporting the nomination, in regard to the number of administrators we have. If there is a need to have more active users with the tools, next time, it will be better to redistribute them than increasing the pool. Another problem is lack of information that leads to misunderstanding, the nominator has been low on activity on site, if back channels were used to reach an understanding for the need for the nomination, I can stress it enough that it should be avoided or an expression of it should be stated on the general discussion areas so other Wikibookians can have a clear picture, and give input on what the existing problems are... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 18:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::"back channels" were not used to decide to make this nomination. Nobody knew he was going to do it until Johnny posted it here. Derbeth's activity is a matter of [[Special:Contributions/Derbeth|public record]], although I will admit that the fact he has become more active at pl.wiktionary is not known publicly (but that doesnt affect his inactivity here). Johnny's and Herby's activity levels are also public record, and the fact that they are both more active in other places is pretty common information. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 21:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::Huh. For the record, no-one (including Mike) knew about this nomination ahead of time (except Az_1568 and anyone else on the IRC channel who was there while I was writing the nomination). My only interest in making the nomination was (and is) because Mike is often in the position where the tool would help him help the project. ::::::As nominator, I'd like to request that this debate end here. Xania is absolutely entitled to his opinion, and we don't need to open a debate every time we disagree on something. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 23:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC) :::::::Although he disagreed, its not that, but the reason he disagreed. I opened a debate because I feel that his vote for disagreement is not really valid reason to be against, in a sensitive vote for CheckUser, it is always good to challenge votes and decisions. That is the beauty of Wiki. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|talk]]) 03:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::::My vote is entirely valid and I have stated my reasons but if nobody else voices their opposition I will have no problems accepting the will of the Wikibook users. I looked at Meta information and apart from English Wikipedia and Polish Wikis (which seem to have a different policy regarding CheckUsers) most projects have only 2 CheckUsers. I think that even such information as IP addresses is sensitive data. I'm not happy at being 'encouraged' to change my mind when I have made my feelings known quite clearly. However I think that other CheckUsers who are not active should decide whether they wish to continue having such status as many people DO think that access to such information is an important matter. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 21:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC) ::::::::::Okei, I apologise Xania. I mean, what I should have said was at this point your vote doesn't really matter at all since Mike only needs 5 more votes. :) --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|talk]]) 16:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC) :Wow! This got out of hand fairly quickly. Hopefully these random comments can be ''the last''. :Xania's comment is just fine, and is as important as the rest of them. There ''should'' be a limited number of CUs; the disagreement is whether we have enough (active) ones now, and whether that will continue or not. IPs ''are'' sensitive data, and access to them is not to be taken lightly (which I don't). We have no backdoor channels to use, so Panic's comment can simply be disregarded. Nobody except Johnny knew ahead of time that this nomination was coming. For the record, it ''is'' public knowledge where {{plainlinks|1=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Derbeth&lang=|2=Derbeth}}, {{plainlinks|1=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=SB+Johnny&lang=|2=SB Johnny}} and {{plainlinks|1=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Herbythyme&lang=|2=Herbythyme}} are spending their time. These three are very much cross-wiki people (a good thing; we need more cross-wiki cooperation), which unfortunately means we don't have as much time with them as we once did. Whiteknight's assessment of the situation is a tad dire, but not too far off the mark. CUs need to be available and responsive to the community they serve. If that means some CU tools should be taken away at the same time, we can discuss it. For now, however, I think I would be a good choice for the tools as I'm (judging by the votes and not by my ego) trustworthy and (judging by the fact that I'm here writing this about 2 hours before a final exam) available. In the end, Xania's vote counts, and the reasoning is understandable, though I disagree. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 17:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC) ::And that is exactly why Mike would make a great CU. Well said mate :) Good luck on your finals. I begin them Monday. --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|talk]]) 19:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC) ::I don't think my remark shouldn't be disregarded even if you think it was out of oder or unproductive. I was not commenting directly on the nomination but on what could drive people to express opposition to similar proposals (lack of information). :::The fact is there '''are''' back channels, but the problem only exists if needed information is subtracted from the main accepted channel. I for once was not aware on any CU problem, as in delay on getting the information, and as I'm not active in any other Wikimedia project I don't fallow other users activities outside of Wikibooks (if they do not mention it here), and think other Wikibookians also don't have any other contact with activities other than the on site postings. :::The other fact is I voted for you based on your activity and do know you will need and make use of the tools, but not because of a pressing need to have another user with the tools, in that respect I was as inclined as Xania to oppose it, even more since [[User:SB Johnny|SB Johnny]] did indeed came out of the blue with the nomination and the text doesn't refer any other aspects. (I know his activity here is low at the moment and he is active on other related activities like the IRC support, it is common sense to think that some reason or discussion/request had lead to this particular spontaneous and unsolicited nomination.) :::This only has any impact if taken in account that I remember clearly past discussions about the tools, and it was with some admiration I saw so many support votes (clearly indicative of how your actions have been appreciated), but almost every one failed to stress the point that makes the CU tools a security risk. Trust but verify. A better appreciation of the facts would be gathered if you checked previous discussions on this topic. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC) :First off, I wasn't trying to persuade Xania to change his vote, I was simply trying to make known information which is available, but might not be readily known. Even though peoples edit histories are common knowledge, I can't expect Xania or anybody to research them all in depth before a vote like this. All I wanted to say was that, in a sense, we appear to have more CUs then we actually have. That's why I was trying to share this information, because I was aware of it. :Second, in response to panic, there may indeed be "back channels" in the sense that all users have private email addresses. We also have the mailing list and IRC channel, both of which are under-utlized. If you are concerned about the dealings that happen in these two places, it's nobody's fault but your own that you don't participate in them. After the issue came up previously, it was made known that decisions could not be made through these venues without some kind of on-wiki account of it. To my knowledge, no violation of this de facto rule has occurred since it was created, unless you have some kind of evidence of it. Regardless, no portion of this nomination or the ensuing vote have been influenced by any off-wiki communications that I am aware of, so it's fruitless to talk about it here any further. If you do want to make a discussion out of it, you are welcome to start a discussion someplace more appropriate. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 23:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC) ::It would be great if everyone had the private email addresses added to their account but alas that is only wishful thinking. As for the back channels I'm not rehashing old discussion nor implying any sort of bad faith, and I'm only still addressing the issue because it seems that we have a difference of opinion. I disagree with your view, as I understand it as expressed above. That if any information doesn't become evident to users it's their fault by not subscribing to secondary sources. That is the point I was making from the start. Any discussion of significance or facts can only become valid and constructive if they are reflected on Wikibooks, no expectation can be imparted only because a number of Wikibookians seem to be are aware of them, they must be part of the public record, here, as to validate any expectation of mutual understanding of the problems/subjects. Do you disagree with this last statement ? If so a more broad discussion on the subject may be of use. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Further discussion located at [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/General#Checkusers]] &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 01:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC) ==+Bureaucrat== {{closed|1='''Withdrawn by the candidate''' - This wiki has no need of more bureaucrats. I also believe that some of the !votes below were cast for wrong reasons. Bureaucrat tasks are not urgent, but do require a strong ability to weigh consensus. Whether I have that capacity is not for me to judge, but in doing so one should not consider whether I'm quickly available (that's important for admins and CUs, but not for 'crats). Instead, discussion should centre on cases where I've had to decide what the community thinks about some issue. Examples might be [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1088933#Consensus_check the discussion around user rights] or my closing of [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Laleena.C2.A0.28_talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.29|Laleena's RFA]] or any number of [[WB:VFD|VFDs]] or the attempt at consensus on the [[Wikibooks:Blocking guideline|Blocking guideline]] which I attempted to broker (and failed). <br/>If we come to have need of another bureaucrat in the future we can consider me for the tools, but addressing the relevant issues. For now, since we don't, I withdraw my candidacy. Thanks to all who commented, and [[User:Whiteknight|my nominator]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 02:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)}} Mike is a a highly active veteran here, and if anybody is qualified to be a bureaucrat, Mike is the guy. He's an admin and a CU already. He has over 12,000 edits, with more then half (6,300) being admin actions (4,000+ deletions, 1,800+ user blocks). He's active on wiki and on IRC, so he's easy to get in touch with if people need anything. He's active in new page patrolling, image license issues, vandalism fighting, welcoming new users, and many other thankless tasks. He's an excellent and obvious candidate for the position, and I hope that the rest of the community agrees with me on that. On a logistical note, We currently have 4 bureaucrats. I know that I have not been as active recently as I would like (although that should be changing as I get closer to the end of the semester). The other three [[User:Derbeth]], [[User:SB Johnny]], and [[User:Withinfocus]] have not been as active recently as they once were (although they are not "inactive" in the way we've defined it here either). I personally don't believe that we need to have some sort of finite limit or "quota" of bureaucrats or admins, although I know other members do have reservations about promoting too many. Regardless of the numbers, however, Mike is eminently qualified for the position. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC) ::''I accept the nomination, and thank Whiteknight for it. I'll try not to make a big statement like I did on the [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_4#Mike.lifeguard.C2.A0.28_talk.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_email.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0_contribs.C2.A0.7C.C2.A0logs.29|CU nom]], since many of the same comments apply here. I do have the time to take on some additional tools, so if I have the community's trust I'll be happy to serve this role. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 05:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)'' :{{support}} --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:Mike6271|Mike6271]] ([[User talk:Mike6271|talk]]) 01:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - Mike has been a huge help with any and all questions new users might have, does a ton of work around here, and if a bureaucrat is needed, I can't think of a better candidate. [[User:Neoptolemus|'''Νεοπτόλεμος''']] ( [[User talk:Neoptolemus|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Neoptolemus|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Neoptolemus|contribs]] ) 02:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - I had noticed the reduced presence of our 'crats (albeit without particular need for their services - yet!) so I was wondering whether we needed to find another. I reckon we've found him :) [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 02:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{comment}} As I seem people already adding support votes before the user formally accepts the nomination, I would like to point out that votes should came after it (just to preserve some order and remove any kind of pear pressure for acceptance). Lets wait a bit for the user to explain if he has the will, time and inclination to perform the extra function. Please remember to place a notice in on staff lounge at least after the user accepts the nomination. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC) ::I had put a notice on the bulletin board, I was heading to the staff lounge and I got sidetracked. I'll do it now. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 02:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :::Next time even those steps should wait for the acceptance doing things otherwise takes the air of predetermination, or an offer one shouldn't refuse. In any case since we are commenting on the subject I personally don't think that Mike.lifeguard was the best candidate for the job. I haven't interacted with him to much but to me he seems to been prone to make snap decisions, and short on words, probably his time and attention is already overextended or probably a character trace as he seems to me to be a very decided person. I don't think he is wrong to the job but there are others that have more experience and would ensure a higher level of commitment to the function, again I don't perceive the need for another bureaucrat, not on the number of administrators we have and on the activity the function has, and Mike has already some extra function to deal with. I haven't yet decided my vote but if opposition appears I will probably support that side. That said my vote will not be a reflection of my views on the user since almost any of the administrators could do the job. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 05:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - only too happy to. Mike is a very experienced, hard working, fair and neutral Wikibookian who is very intimate with policy. --- <strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:Silver">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|^{<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span>}]] 05:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 13:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 21:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - A very dependable and experienced Wikibookian. Has my support all the way. [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 20:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC) :{{oppose}} - We don't need more bureaucrats, it's that simple. The four already here can do the once a month task that comes up and we have done so quickly and easily in the past. Four bureaucrats is already pretty large for this project. This is unnecessary. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 21:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC) :{{oppose}} --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC) {{end closed}} ==+Bureaucrat== {{closed|1= {{Done}}. It's been a week with nothing but positive support for this candidate. Mike is now a bureaucrat. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 12:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)}} :Thanks to all who supported me both here and [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Mike.lifeguard|previously]]. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 14:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC) I'd like to nominate Mike for the Bureaucrat tools, as a well trusted and incredibly active member of our staff. We are in dire need of at least one new 'crat due to the snowballing requests for renames related to the SUL issues that are affecting all Wikimedia wikis nowadays. Someone with Mike's seemingly unlimited appetite to be helpful and do thankless jobs will take a lot of pressure off of the current B'crats (especially with 2 of us being very busy with other things right now). There's a big job that needs doing here, and Mike's the right man for the job. --[[User talk:SB_Johnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[meta:Wikimedia Pennsylvania|<span style="color:green">PA!</span>]]} 10:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC) ::For reference, I had withdrawn a [[Wikibooks:Requests_for_permissions/Archive_5#Mike.lifeguard|previous]] nomination on the grounds that we didn't need more manpower with bureaucrat tools, and that the discussion wasn't on-topic. As now it seems [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike.lifeguard&diff=11961446&oldid=11949566 there ''is'' need for more], here we are. Please do consider my comments in withdrawing that nomination when making comments here. However, I accept the nomination, and I don't mind having some additional work to do :). &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 19:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{Support}} - I'm surprised he didn't have this already. [[User:Red4tribe|Red4tribe]] ([[User talk:Red4tribe|talk]]) 11:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{Comment}} We need to wait until he accepts before voting. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:Ramac|Ramac]] ([[User talk:Ramac|talk]]) 19:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} It's obvious that we need at least another, and I can't think of anyone better suited. [[User:Chazz|Chazz]] <small>([[User talk:Chazz|talk]])</small> 00:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} If we need another 'crat, I couldn't think of any people better for the job than Mike. [[User:PiemanXC|PiemanXC]] ([[User talk:PiemanXC|talk]]) 01:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} Mike is the obvious candidate. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 01:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 07:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - [[User:Emesee|Remi]] ([[User talk:Emesee|talk]]) 08:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - Definitely the best candidate [[User:Reece|<span style="color:black"><b>Reece</b></span>]] [[User talk:Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Reece|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 11:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - of course --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 13:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}}--[[User:Cspurrier|Cspurrier]] ([[User talk:Cspurrier|talk]]) 16:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}}--[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - You mean he isn't one already? How could such an oversight have been made? :-) Yes, we definitely need Mike as a 'crat here. --<span style="font-faimily:'Tahoma'">[[User:Willscrlt|'''<span style="color:royalblue">Will</span>'''<span style="color:crimson">scrlt</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Willscrlt|<span style="color:royalblue">Talk</span>]])</small></span> 16:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] ([[User talk:Junesun|talk]]) 18:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} Sure. --[[User:Az1568|Az1568]]^{([[User talk:Az1568|Talk]])} 21:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC) {{end closed}} pii7br1npcsbw4dzygq6ha23wfb8g0i 4 235671 4639386 4624686 2026-06-08T17:59:53Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639386 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} ==-Administrator== For the below, please see the [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2006/February#Removing_Sysop_Status|recent discussion]]. The below editors have not contributed within the last six months or are performing little to no administrative tasks. Comment: It's now been a month since this discussion was started. I'm therefore asking a steward to come and de-admin those for whom there is at least 80% support for de-adminning, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 14:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC) : I think the better solution is to ask to de-sysop only users where there are no oppose votes. 80% is not much when so few people are voting and Marshman is a sysop. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 19:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC) :I don't think any 80% rule should be used. The quality of the argument should define the action. Even though one oppose exists in several of the admins listed, the reasons shown were pretty quickly dismissed and the case for those users is still pretty solid looking. A single oppose from a contested admin should not stop a de-sysopping. In addition, it would be nice to see if the Steward can offer any action towards the recent inappropriate comments made and possibly make a decision on all cases. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 15:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC) ::The steward's role is not to make decisions, but instead to carry out actions for which there is already community consensus. Looking below, and not counting "neutral" votes as presumably being neutral means that you are publicly saying you don't want to influence anything one way or another, there are a number of "nominations" that have 100% support. It's fair to say that they have consensus - absent a rash of new comments now, those users should now be de-sysopped. There are then a number of "nominations" with a single oppose and four supports - is that consensus or do we allow one user to have a veto? Does that answer change if there are more support votes? Personally I think a 4-1 margin is sufficient, but if you disagree with that, at what level do the supports win the day - 5-1? 6-1? 100-1? As far as the marshman nomination is concerned, it is clear that some users have strong opinions on this one - it is equally clear that there is currently no consensus to de-sysop him - and I trust those that support that nomination accept, albeit reluctantly, that that is the case, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 15:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC) :::I disagree with using vote ''counts'' as decision tools. For instance, although there is one opposing vote in some of the de-sysopping cases, I believe that oppose does not have any sort of backing and has been defeated. Therefore, the de-sysopping should occur. Consensus has still been reached even though a lone dissenter objected. You yourself corrected the opposing vote quite adequately. The Steward still must make a judgement call on what the consensus actually is and that it what I am referring to. I think the Steward could see through any of the small oppositions. Regarding the one heavily-contested case, I simply hope the Steward can possibly add some insight into where the voting may actually be headed, especially since various user interaction policies were violated during the discussion. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 21:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC) To note, I have requested action on many of the below cases over at [[meta:Request for permissions#Removal_of_access|meta]]. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 04:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC) ---- (last edit:01:29, 19 September 2005; 2 edits after an 18 month Wikibreak; last log entry:none) *'''Support''' - Very small amount of edits, and none for admin tasks. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 01:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' [[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 17:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''', [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 17:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC) *'''Support''' I left a message on his talk page. --[[User:JMRyan|JMRyan]] 23:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' 12-month period of inactivity not up. Many users tire of this place and go on to other things for awhile. Maybe attempting to contact by email would be more fair. - [[User:Marshman|marsh]] 02:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC) **Comment: Again here, we have a user who effectively ceased being a Wikibookian on 7 February 2004 (though I'm sure he'd be welcome back). Are just two edits in August and September 2005 sufficient activity to need sysop rights, especially when this user has never chosen to use those rights anyway, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 08:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC) * '''Neutral''' --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 17:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC) * '''Oppose''' - I admit that I haven't been active, but last I checked (which was actually a long time ago), there was no minimum activity requirement. [[User:Cyp|كсηפ Cyp]] 06:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC) :There is not an explicit minimum amount of activity, but the two do correlate together. Why do you even want to keep sysop tools? There is no evidence of your use of any of them. Besides your four most recent edits (which were spaced over more than six months at that), your next most recent edit was over two years ago. Why do you even want to keep the status? -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 21:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC) ::That's a fair question, and one worthy of a response from Cyp. If he's returning and will engage in maintenance tasks, that would be great. On the other extreme, if it's just to maintain some sort of souvenir (eg. I'm admin on X wikimedia projects), then really he shouldn't be an admin here. If it's somewhere in between, it's still fair that we should know, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 22:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC) * '''Oppose''' -- No Comments --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 13:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC) :May I still ask for some explanation of this oppose vote? You selectively chose to only vote oppose on some of these de-adminships, and I find it very important that any vote cast here has at least a small amount of explanation. What made you choose this user to oppose de-sysopping? -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 21:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC) :: It is my personal philosophy that more admins is better, even if some are inactive or whatnot. As long as the power is not abused; I see no reason to get rid of it. Power has not been abused here; it mearly has been sitting idle. There is no disadvantage to having an inactive sysadmin; especially one who really hasn't done any bad yet. :: As far as "bragging rights" are, well; I don't really see that as an issue, really. "Former admin" on Wikibooks is still a badge he can wear if he pleases. It probably won't taint the name of wikibooks either for this specific case. :: As for selection of the votes on this page... I just vote on the ones that stick out. Right now; I have no stance on the ones I haven't voted on yet. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 21:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC) :::If you were to go with "more admins the better" I think it would actually work if the users performed admin actions. Or in this case, any actions whatsoever. I guess I could say "the more X the better" as long as X did absolutely nothing and just existed. I see no point in saying that with a totally inactive account. This user isn't doing anything, let alone administrative duties. Also, this user is in the same exact situation as several other admins listed here, yet you did not vote on them. I can't understand both the vote and the attempts at explanation here. I find it very peculiar that only this user was voted on, and with the reasons given, why it wasn't simply an abstain at that. What you've said above makes it sound like you're indifferent whichever way this vote goes. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 23:25, 15 March 2006 (UTC) :::: I thought the point of voting was so that you can display your opinion? :-p Anyway; this stuck out the most because the person in question doesn't want his privlages removed. There is no point in an account that does nothing; similarly however; there is no point removing an account that does nothing. :::: And if the user in question doesn't want his sysop-privlages removed, then it is obvious that he plans to do something with it. Basically; I need to see a reason he shouldn't be an admin; not just "inactivity period". It is difficult enough for someone to become an admin already; he has proven to the community that he is trustworthy and probably cares for this project. With that said; there must be good reason to get rid of his powers; and undo the action the community already voted on. :::: PS: don't try and judge me by my lack of actions :) Yes, the choice to vote on this person was quite arbitrary. But if I had the power to get rid of the powers of this guy; I would not. Which is why I vote oppose. :::: PPS: I think we need a discussion in the staff lounge about this. --[[User:Dragontamer|Dragontamer]] 19:46, 17 March 2006 (UTC) :::::I can't disagree more with you regarding what you've said above. However, it's a never-ending discussion here with other people voting about how someone who does nothing should get to keep their privileges. All of the above admins have done essentially nothing for years, but people here seem to think that as long as they do nothing, they're fine as they are. I was trying to help clean up some of the mess here by getting admins who have left (and you know they have, even if you do not want to say it on principle) to be removed of rights they don't use. I think it shows the quality of the project when the list of active admins is longer than the list of inactive ones and those who are admins are actually up to date on what's going on here and have edited more than a handful of times in the past one-two years. An extremely important discussion that I think was still open just got archived and with responses like these it seems like concensus isn't going to happen. I plan for this to be the last comment I make regarding these de-sysoppings. Everyone has a right to their opinions of course, but mine versus others' isn't going to be resolved here and I'm just going to let it end. Oppose votes have already been cast on all the remaining users now. Also, we've already had a [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2006/February#Removing_Sysop_Status|discussion]] regarding this in SL. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 21:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC) * '''Stong Oppose'''. User opposes, no evidence of sysop abuse, so no reason to support de-adminification. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:purple">LV</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|<span style="color:#3D9140">(Dark Mark)</span>]]} 17:30, 14 March 2006 (UTC) :Is it not more a case as to why should this user need sysop rights? If there's a fair case (and I don't think it has to be that strong for me to change my "vote") then that's fair enough - on the other hand, if it's just for bragging rights, then that to my mind would be enough to support de-adminification. 4 edits in 2 years does not seem to require sysop rights, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 22:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' I don't ever remember a formal debate or vote on a 12 month inactivity period, just a discussion about one maybe being a good idea. As such, holding them to such a policy is unfair and a bad idea. --[[User:Javariel|Gabe Sechan]] 18:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC) :''No concensus over several months of voting. De-sysopping failed. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 02:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)'' --- Now that we have a [[Wikibooks:Administrators|solid enforced policy]] in place regarding inactive administrators, I am applying it in order to clean up some of the long-gone sysops here. The below administrators have been inactive for one year or longer besides a few spare edits. These users have been contacted on their talk page as well as e-mailed if possible to inform them of this process. All users listed below will have their sysop rights removed on <strong>1 Nov 2006</strong> and a consensus decision is not needed; this section is serving to inform the community of their de-adminship. Should a nominated admin come back and contest the nomination, some discussion may occur and the once-admin will be able to re-apply for adminship at a later date. Also, some well-known developers and users of Wikimedia as a whole have been excluded due to their notoreity across all projects. Should the community believe those users should still have their rights removed (futile in most cases since the users are Developers), that can be discussed at a later date. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 21:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC) :The policy also states explicitly that each of these admins should be contacted, if possible, by email. If you have not contacted them, I will. Please let me know the status of this. Other then that, I agree wholeheartedly that people who are not active here do not need to have an additional set of tools available to them. It is best to keep such tools for those users who sincerely have need of them. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC) ::Yes, I did e-mail everyone I could which was only one user, [[User:The bellman|The bellman]]. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 00:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC) ::: I was not emailed. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 12:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC) ::::You were not e-mailed because your address is not on file here. I made the extra effort to go to an entirely different wiki to leave a message on your talk page as well. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 15:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC) ::::: Yeah, I noticed that this morning. Wasn't authenticated yet. If you actually want to reach people, though, you should find the wiki they are most active on and contact them through their talk pages and local emails. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 17:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC) ::::::I find that pretty ridiculous and at the root of the problem with inactive admins. Having to search around all the other projects to discuss an abandoned one is too much. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 22:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC) :::Unfortunately, many of these people became inactive before the email addresses were authenticated last, so many of them are simply not reachable through email. All the more reason for admins to ensure they have a valid email address. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 03:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC) :I have sent messages to [[User:Aya]], and [[User:TUF-KAT]], our two longest-absent bureaucrats. TUF-KAT is eligible to be nominated here as well, and Aya will be eligible within the month. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC) :I have made a request at [[m:Requests_for_permissions#Removal_of_access]] in order to effect these de-adminships. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 05:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC) ::All of the below users have now been de-sysopped. This discussion will be archived soon. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 16:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC) ==-Administrator== For the below, please see the [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/2006/February#Removing_Sysop_Status|recent discussion]]. The below editors have not contributed within the last six months or are performing little to no administrative tasks. Comment: It's now been a month since this discussion was started. I'm therefore asking a steward to come and de-admin those for whom there is at least 80% support for de-adminning, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 14:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC) : I think the better solution is to ask to de-sysop only users where there are no oppose votes. 80% is not much when so few people are voting and Marshman is a sysop. --[[User:Derbeth|Derbeth]] [[User talk:Derbeth|^talk]] 19:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC) :I don't think any 80% rule should be used. The quality of the argument should define the action. Even though one oppose exists in several of the admins listed, the reasons shown were pretty quickly dismissed and the case for those users is still pretty solid looking. A single oppose from a contested admin should not stop a de-sysopping. In addition, it would be nice to see if the Steward can offer any action towards the recent inappropriate comments made and possibly make a decision on all cases. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 15:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC) ::The steward's role is not to make decisions, but instead to carry out actions for which there is already community consensus. Looking below, and not counting "neutral" votes as presumably being neutral means that you are publicly saying you don't want to influence anything one way or another, there are a number of "nominations" that have 100% support. It's fair to say that they have consensus - absent a rash of new comments now, those users should now be de-sysopped. There are then a number of "nominations" with a single oppose and four supports - is that consensus or do we allow one user to have a veto? Does that answer change if there are more support votes? Personally I think a 4-1 margin is sufficient, but if you disagree with that, at what level do the supports win the day - 5-1? 6-1? 100-1? As far as the marshman nomination is concerned, it is clear that some users have strong opinions on this one - it is equally clear that there is currently no consensus to de-sysop him - and I trust those that support that nomination accept, albeit reluctantly, that that is the case, [[User:Jguk|Jguk]] 15:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC) :::I disagree with using vote ''counts'' as decision tools. For instance, although there is one opposing vote in some of the de-sysopping cases, I believe that oppose does not have any sort of backing and has been defeated. Therefore, the de-sysopping should occur. Consensus has still been reached even though a lone dissenter objected. You yourself corrected the opposing vote quite adequately. The Steward still must make a judgement call on what the consensus actually is and that it what I am referring to. I think the Steward could see through any of the small oppositions. Regarding the one heavily-contested case, I simply hope the Steward can possibly add some insight into where the voting may actually be headed, especially since various user interaction policies were violated during the discussion. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 21:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC) To note, I have requested action on many of the below cases over at [[meta:Request for permissions#Removal_of_access|meta]]. -[[User:Withinfocus|Matt]] 04:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Last non-outlying edit 7 Feb 2004. Has an active account at en.wiki. I sent him a message --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 17:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC) :''Rights removed on 1 Nov 2006.'' -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 16:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC) [[Category:Requests for desysop]] nx2q2tzdxn60p527jzaiykaepkga01l 4 236089 4639419 1895822 2026-06-08T19:19:34Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639419 wikitext text/x-wiki ==[[Future Media|Future Media Class]]== This was just deleted per [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Future Media|VFD]] because it wasn't a textbook. It was transwikied to WV, and deleted here. I'd like it to be undeleted since the intent is to make a textbook, not WV-style content. The deviation was a combination of little oversight from the teacher, and the students not understanding the direction they should be heading. WV is welcome to keep their copy, but the class should work on the copy here, and turn it back into a textbook, which is what the intent was all along. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 16:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} --[[User:AdRiley|AdRiley]] ([[User talk:AdRiley|talk]]) 16:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} This is by the same people who are working on [[Advanced Interactive Media|Advanced Interactive Media Class]], which (despite the course-related name) is intended to also be a book. I am currently in discussions with the professor of this course, and am going to personally see that these are properly book-formatted within the next few days/weeks. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 17:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC) :{{support}} - and I note that this one was transwikied just two days after listing on VfD, and the VfD closed three days after listing - too short to allow for responses to the VfD, IMHO. We should not be rushing to conclusion on such issues as book deletion. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 22:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC) {{Done}} Or, "doing". This idea has received both support here, and at the related VfD discussion. I'm going to start undeleting this book now. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 22:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC) lin912u1pne71aevmc3bacubdmo9d6q 4 236124 4639423 4584972 2026-06-08T19:27:31Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639423 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Habermas Commentary == Beginning with the link to "Habermas Commentary" on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Communication_Theory, I have taken a few fledgling steps toward creating a wikibook. If someone has time to comment, repair, or otherwise render constructive advice or assistance, I would appreciate it. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Raywood|Raywood]] ([[User talk:Raywood|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Raywood|contribs]]) 04:29, 1 Mar 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> : The text looks fascinating. One suggestion: please read our [[Wikibooks:Naming policy]]. I noticed that the subpages you created are not in a "subpage" system. That's no big problem; just click "move" at the top of each subpage (being the "contents," each "volume," "section," etc. page) and move it into a name that is more appropriate. If you have questions, feel free to come back. BTW, I really appreciate your notice ''Note: do not post excerpts directly from Habermas's writings. They will continue to be protected by copyright for some years to come. Instead, just refer to specific pages and indicate the text on which you are offering commentary.'' I have dealt with many copyright issues on Wikibooks, so I heartily approve! :) Finally, nice to see a new contributor! --[[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 16:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your kind words, and also for your patience. Sorry for the first of my many anticipated errors (saving faux pas and gaffes, which begin with F and G, for later). I see the notice on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Habermas_Commentary telling me that I use deprecated naming policy, but I don't know what that means. (There's no reference to "deprecate" on the [[Wikibooks:Naming policy]] page. But I assume it just means unapproved.) But I did find a link to the Harry Potter thing, whose deep hierarchical structure appears most suited for this project. I'm not sure how to delete pages. I've got duds at: : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Contents<br> : http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Vol._2:_Lifeworld_and_System<br> : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/V._The_Paradigm_Shift_in_Mead_and_Durkheim<br> : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/3._Rational_Structure_of_the_Linguistification_of_the_Sacred<br> : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linguistification_of_the_Sacred<br> And now I see I've created new pages without putting "Habermas Commentary" in the file name. I don't know how to fix that. Also, my new page titles are terrible. "2/5/3." Whatever! But I've got to knock off for the night. Thanks again. : --[[User:raywood|raywood]] No problemo. :) I didn't realize Wikibooks:Naming policy didn't have a mention of now-obsolete naming conventions. See [[Wikibooks:Naming conventions#Naming conventions for existing_books]] for examples of obsolete conventions. (It doesn't mention there that they are obsolete, but mentions at the top the whole page is obsolete ... and those conventions are obsolete nonetheless.) For your "dud" pages (also called "orphan" pages), if you do not need them anymore, just tag them with <nowiki>{{db|Deletion requested by author}}</nowiki><!--NOTE: If you are looking at this, do not include the text <nowiki> or </nowiki>. Instead start with the left-most bracket { and end with the right-most bracket }.--> Also, if you create a page (often called a "[[WB:MODULE|module]]") and you want to rename it, just click "move" at the top of the webpage and type the new name you want to use. So for [[TCA2/5]] and [[TCA2/5/3]], go those modules, at the top of the webpage click the tab that says "move," and change the name for the "To new title:" box from ''TCA/2/5'' to ''Habermas Commentary/TCA/2/5'' and change ''TCA/2/5/3'' to ''Habermas Commentary/TCA/2/5/3''<!--NOTE: If you are looking at this, do not include the apostrophe marks.--> Finally, you can sign your posts with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki><!--NOTE: Again, don't type <nowiki> or </nowiki>-->. Where you would normal type "--<nowiki>[[User:raywood|raywood]]", just type "--~~~~"</nowiki> Hope this helps! Come back if you have any more questions. --[[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 06:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC) * All very helpful. Thanks! Now a new question. How can I change the title of a page? For example, I might want the title of http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Habermas_Commentary/Books/TCA1 to be "Theory of Communicative Action, Vol. 1" -- [[User:Raywood|Raywood]] ::To change the title of the page, you click the "move" tab at the top of teh page, and type in the new page title in the box. For instance, in your example above, you would type "Theory of Communicative Action/Vol 1", and then click the button to move. If you have trouble with this, please let me know. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC) * Two questions: * (1) I want my pages to have short relatively URLs. Example: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Habermas_Commentary/Books/TCA2. This is what the wiki automatically presents as the title for the page, on the first line of the visible page. It's a beautiful URL, but it's a lousy title. What I would actually like readers to see, on the first line of the visible page, would include the full name of the book under discussion. That is, instead of TCA, the visible title should say, "The Theory of Communicative Action, volume 1: Reason and the Rationalization of Society." My question is, how can I change the visible title to this longer version, without simultaneously making the URL much longer? * (2) A reader tells me that the tables I have posted on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Habermas_Commentary/Books/TCA1, or possibly TCA2, are not displaying properly. I can't figure out why not. I did have a problem seeing those tables initially, but now I'm not -- so I can't proofread them. Could someone talk a look and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! [[User:Raywood|Raywood]] : Regarding point (2), the first table on TCA1 had an errant extra cell in the first data row; removed. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 23:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC) == Adding "Featured Book" or restarting Book of the Month == I know there was some opposition to the book of the month feature, but it seems like the rationale for removing it from the front page was mainly to encourage building some more infrastructure to Wikibooks instead of concentrating on just content development. I believe that we need to focus back onto that content development instead. The real question here, then, is what should we do to "feature" a particularly good Wikibook, and how can those be identified? I will accept that the collaboration of the month tended to be "Book of the Month II", and that may be quite a bit more legitmately left alone. I also understand that, realistically, there are only a few Wikibooks that are really of outstanding quality and really deserve some sort of feature status on the main page. Here are some proposals to featuring good books: *Simply restarting and resuming the "Book of the Month" such as we had going most of last year. One positive aspect of this is that it did help in identifying some relatively obscure Wikibooks that otherwise would have gone unnoticed. It was also very "democratic" in the sense that it was chosen by regular Wikibookians and not some exclusive committee. *Putting on a rotating "Book of the day" that would repeat itself every week. This would eliminate the need to constantly struggle to get the main page fixed on the first day of the month (a serious problem with the BotM feature), but still allow a significant feature and have the content of the main page to be fresh when new users come and visit Wikibooks. The rotating templates could be updated or changed depending on new Wikibooks that have reached a certain level of quality, and it could be expanded potentially to a new book for every day in the month, if there are that many Wikibooks to display. I would like to see some additional suggestions here, but focusing in on one book would be a good thing, from my perspective. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 20:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :The new proposed layout of the main page at [[Main Page/test]] has something similar, where good books will be featured using rotating templates. I've proposed the use of a new {{tl|goodbook}} template to display books in this format. People can use this template to highlight books right on the relevant bookshelf (as I have already done on [[B:ENGR|the engineering bookshelf]] with two books). Once the templates are filled out, it would be a trivial task for a wikibookian (or even a bot) to find them and add them to the rotation for the main page. :The best method that I think we have for keeping track of good books is the [[Wikibooks:Featured books]] page, although that page could also stand to be cleaned up (perhaps with a set of rotating templates of it's own?). Unlike BOTM, books can be added to the featured books page at any time, not just at the beginning of a month. :I've created a general set of guidelines at [[Wikibooks:Good books]] that we can use to help with the selection and judging process. At the moment that page is formatted like a "wikiproject", but it would be a simple enough matter to make it a proposal for a new guideline instead, if that's what the community wanted (otherwise people can just join the wikiproject!). --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 21:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ::One thing that might be useful here to also help out is to restart our book quality classification system. Wikipedia is using the "FA,A,B,C,Start,Stub" system with some very high standards to be considered either "A-class" or "FA-class" (with FA class meaning it has appeared on the front page of Wikipedia). Some of the early FA articles have even been downgraded afterward to drive the point home. ::Here on Wikibooks we have been using the per cent (%) complete icons that were used along a similar line of thought, but it has been some time since these have been seriously reviewed, particularly since the massive list of Wikibooks was taken off of the front page. Perhaps adding a template to the "main page" of each Wikibook and have that template automatically add these books to various categories? --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 22:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :::[[User:Darklama]] has developed a series of templates that change over time. the system isn't perfect because of cache performance, but if we were talking about changes over months it would be less of a problem. We could have a template that would mark a book as being a "good book" (similar to the old {{tl|botm}} template), and have the status expire after 12 months so that old books would have to maintain the same standards as new books. FA, A, B and C designations might not work great here, because it is difficult to give a book a single measure of it's quality. We could, however, comeup with a label system similar to the Jung topology test: FROP would be '''f'''eatured, good p'''r'''ose, good f'''o'''rmatting, and a '''P'''DF version. This is a very slipshod example, of course, but the effect is well-illustrated. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :::As an addendum, a series of small icons, similar (if not the same) as those used in the {{tl|infobox}} template could be used as a quick and graphical way to express the merits of a particular book. The same {{tl|stage}} graphics that we have been using could easily be incorporated into such a scheme. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ::::I think BOTM was abandoned because there wasn't enough community involvement, not because there were "more important things to do". I'd like to see it revived, but I'm not sure how we can get more people involved. Maybe that's what we should be thinking about? --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 23:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :::::I disagree. BOTM was good when it was created, but wikibooks is large enough now to be beyond such a slow and rigid system. Books that are quality should not have to wait for the next month to be recognized as such, and books which are genuinely good should not be put head-to-head in a vote, but instead all accepted at once. If there are no good books to promote, we shouldnt be promoting any. Likewise, if there are 10 good books worth of recognition, we should list them all. I envision a system similar to RFA, where quality books can be nominated, voted on by the community, and then promoted without any arbitrary timeframes, and without saying "Well, X was promoted, so Y cannot be". If we put the effort into revamping [[Wikibooks:Featured books]] and stabilizing [[Wikibooks:Good books]] that we would waste on reviving BOTM (or creating a close analog), we would all be much better off. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ::::::What we are trying to avoid doing on the "Main Page", however, is to avoid getting it cluttered up again. This has been a recurring issue where as the project grows we end up having a very real manifestation of "instruction creep" that is obviously displayed on this page. If we do have a featured book, only one should be displayed at a time, even if we do put it into some sort of rotation system as I mentioned above. Still, I like your system you are proposing where a book would go before a featured book review (or a positive version of the VfD page) where interested Wikibookians could give a positive or negative review on that book. It still has the potential of sock puppetry becoming an issue, but I think that can be kept under control for the most part. There certainly are a small handful of books I would consider to be worthy of this sort of attention right now, and it will act as a platform to raise standards, where books which havn't been improved for some time could be "re-examined" to see if they fit the new higher standards. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 00:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC) : (reset) I dont think sockpuppetry would be that big an issue here as it was on occasion with BOTM. People had to get high numbers of votes on BOTM, or risk losing the title for an entire month or more. Here, there would be no restrictions on time, so there would be less urgency for a particular book community to "push through" a particular book. It would serve as an excellent counterpoint to VfD discussions. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC) == Climatology online text == Is there wikipedia online text covering the science of climatology as well or instead of the politics of global warming? [[User:69.145.72.216|69.145.72.216]] 19:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC) ==Back / Next== Is there a specific method to adding Back/Next links for pages. I've seen it a couple different ways; Some pages have them at the top, some on the bottom, both for others, and some are completely different. Are they even required - I searched the guides but can't seem to find anything on the subject... --[[User:Jimmyatic|Jimmyatic]] 21:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC) :There is no specific method of doing this, as you have already seen each book tends to do it a little differently. There are a list of usable templates at [[Wikibooks:Template_messages/Navigation]], or you can feel free to create your own templates for each book. If you are unsure about how to make your own template, or if you dont want to spend the effort, you can certainly use one of the generic ones. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 23:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Assume good faith]] == I did not realize until recently that this was only a proposal, and not an actual guideline. I can see no reason why the current text of this proposal should not be made into an official guideline. We already follow this rule, so it should not be that big of a leap. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC) :Seems like a good candidate for tightening up the prose to me. It seems too long and mentions a lot of things that are only peripherally related to assuming good faith. I would start by scratching all of the bullet points. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 00:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC) ::And here I was thinking that formalizing this would not be that big of a deal! If people really want to make improvements to it, i won't say no. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC) == [[WB:RFA]] Nominations == I have nominated 4 new users for adminship, [[User:Iamunknown]], [[User:Xixtas]], [[User:Jomegat]], and [[User:Webaware]]. I dont feel that we've had any nominations in a long time, and we need to ensure a constant inflow of new admins to fill the ranks as old admins get fed up and leave this place. I encourage these 4 nominees to either accept or decline their nominations (hopefully accept), and then I encourage all wikibookians to cast votes in these discussions. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC) == Unnecessary input == In the book category of "Religion and Their Sources" ch.6 stuff is written that denotes someone's opinion "My dissaticfaction..." and I believe it shouldn't be there. No matter how anyone feels in their convictions or "dissatisfactions" about certian things the articles written in Wikibooks are there to inform the reader of what life is. Anyone can write the same things about other things on this web site. I have a "dissatisfaction" with a lot of Rock and Roll celebreties that are ruining the minds of our youth but that doesn't change the course of history and I can't stop the World Wide Web from printing stuff about them on their sites. :'''[[wikibooks:Be bold|Be Bold]]'''. If you see something you don't like, change it! If you need help knowing how to edit articles let me know. Regards, [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] 03:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC) == Linking contents listing to recipe == How do I link the contents to the new section & recipe I just entered? Vis; Cookbook, contents; Figgie obbin. (new section) cakes (new recipe) Figgie obbin recipe. I think I'm missing something obvious --[[User:Archolman|Archolman]] 03:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC) :G'day, I've moved the page into the Cookbook: namespace, under the name of the recipe, so you will now find it as [[Cookbook:Figgie 'obbin]]. I also tagged it as a recipe with {{tl|recipe}}, and put it into a couple of recipe categories so that people will find it. If you go back to it now and click on the "edit this page" link, you'll see how I've done all that. :Incidentally, you'll often get the attention of another Cookbook editor by asking on the [[Cookbook talk:Table of Contents|Cookbook talk page]]; just click on "Cookbook" in the navigation links on the left, and go to "discussion" at the top of the Cookbook front page. cheers, [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 12:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Featured books/Nominations]] == I'm seeking community acceptance of the policies that I created on this page. I think I captured the essence of what was said previously about trying to get a series of featured books that could be voted upon by the rank and file of Wikibookians, but get rid of some of the problems that the "Book of the Month" feature created. I am not saying that these procedures are graven in stone at the moment, and since this is a whole new concept perhaps other ways of dealing with this can be created. Still, I think this is the next step for putting some sort of featured content back onto the main page, and help to keep this from becoming some cabalistic editorial board. In the next couple of days, I would like to put some of the first of these books onto the main page, unless there is a serious objection. I will be seeding this list with mainly books that have achieved the "Book of the Month" status previou. sly unless there are already several ready to go on this nomination page. Books that have already been added to other "featured books" lists would also be eligible for rapid acceptance to those books which have ths featured book status. For now, all I'm suggesting here is that a Wikibook is either "Featured" or "Not Featured", although we can come up with more "grades" to classify Wikibooks in the future including some of the current systems. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 22:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC) :BTW, I've also created [[:Template:Featured Books]] that would be used to help with the rotation of Wikibooks. At the moment, I'm using the current day of the month to determine which book will be featured, and an addtional template, [[:Template:FEATURENUM]] which is being used to count (manually) the number of featured books and can be treated like a [[meta:Help:Variable|variable]]. I would appreciate helping with some of the other formatting of this template to match a little closer what the theme is on the [[Main Page]], but it is a start. :I chose this method so we could grow the number of featured books and not have to worry about running out of days of the week, or having to have a specific number of books. Ideally, I would like to see perhaps a [[w:Julian Date|Julian Date]] to be used, but that is going to require a Bugzilla request as that number is not currently calculated by MediaWiki. I don't think anybody has even thought of the idea in the past to use templates in this way. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 23:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC) ::The nominations page and the template are nice, and I think they will work well. A good starting point for us will be to do quick reviews of the books already listed at [[Wikibooks:Featured books]]. There is no sense in nominating books that are already on the list, but at the same time we can prune books off that don't meet the criteria any longer. I agree with the binary designation, I dont think there are many good ways to "grade" books beyond that. ::As an aside, the [[Wikibooks:Editorial board]] that I proposed wouldn't really have dealt with this kind of issue, instead focusing on publishing and distributing books (so the term "publishing board" might have been a better name). --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC) :::BTW, I really like the idea of a group of Wikibooks users that are perhaps a little more proficient at doing content editing as opposed to content writing. That is two very different skills, and a good book editor is something that can make or break a book perhaps even more than the author in the first place... and the editor is usually unmentioned as well in most cases. I was more trying to discourage something like an editorial board found in a newspaper office that has control over content regarding what can or can't be seen. That idea, the strong central control board, doesn't belong on a Wiki such as this which openly encourages people to join in and contribute, where the distinctions between one user and another ought to be minimal. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 01:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC) ::::Okay, thank you for the clarification. I had tried to make the [[Wikibooks:Good books]] a "wikiproject" in an attempt to drive up interest. Needless to say, that didn't work. If people would vote without making any other committments, as a wikiproject would have required, that i think will get the most people involved. Of course, we run the risk that this is something that maybe this is something nobody cares about. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC) == Your site == Love your site! It's very resourceful. Thank you for making it available. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:209.130.203.190|209.130.203.190]] ([[User talk:209.130.203.190|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/209.130.203.190|contribs]]) 13:49, 8 Mar 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> : Glad you like it, feel free to edit it as you see fit! [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small>([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk]]) </small> 14:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC) == Advantages and Disadvantages of Wikibooks vs. Publishing == I'm writing another book. This time it's on the Internet instead of a paperback. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wireless_Mesh_Networks I've debated the merits of writing a book collaboratively online versus writing it for a publisher with a co-author for a while. However, there are a couple of factors that convinced me to try writing a wikibook: 1) Time to market - by the time a technical book from a publisher hits the shelf, it's almost obsolete. With a wikibook, people can start reading material as soon as it hits the Internet. 2) There are no easy way to correct books in print, or update them. With a wikibook, it can be fixed quickly and acurately. 3) With a really popular technical book, you might only sell about 10,000 - 50,000 copies. The money is not all that big. The royalties are only a couple of bucks out of the big $50 shelf price. While the royalties are a little incentive, I believe that getting something out in circulation is much more important. Dissemination of knowledge is more important that cash sometimes. 4) With a publisher, your copyrights are signed away. You don't have the right over your own material once it's published. You can't take your own work and modify it to fit into another book. With wikibooks, your rights are preserved with copyleft schemes such as GNU Free Documentation Licence and Creative Commons. There is also something to be said about the Public Domain. But the best part, you have the right to stand on someone else's shoulders - to build on someone else's work. 5) A published book is on paper. If you are teaching a class, all students will all have an identical copy. Actually not. I've sat through many classes where half of the class had a used older edition and handouts had to made for the corrections. Also, the bookstore ran out of the books, so if you did not buy early, it was not available and had to be special ordered from the bookstore. With a wikibook, if it's needed on paper for teaching a class or something, it can be published by www.lulu.com, kinkos, staples or a dozen other places. Maybe wikibooks can offer such a service to print books to help defray the cost of running the online library. The only misgiving I have is that wikibooks may not be an accepted way of publishing anything for the sake of a resume. Essentially, a URL may not be as good of a calling card in some people's mind as an ISBN number. Once the work is published in a hard medium - paper, CD... it gets an ISBN anyway. Maybe that's one of the incentives. Am I missing something? [[User:kgrr|<font style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</font>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]15:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC) :I think you hit it square on here. And as you mentioned, writing content here on Wikibooks does not stop you from republishing this content elsewhere. And if you only stick to contributions you make, or with agreement of others that work with you, you can even republish this under licenses other than the GFDL, including things as nearly opposite like the Microsoft EULA. As you mention here, this is a freedom that normally doesn't exist in the traditional book publishing world. :On the flip side, I would warn people that try to publish here first that a traditional publisher may treat some of what we do here with either bewilderment due to its novelty, or even out right hostility. Certainly this is something that directly threatens many publishing business models, and there are economic reasons to try and oppose content creation such as does occur on Wikimedia projects. While we strive to remove this stigma, some publishers may look upon Wikibooks as a sort of [[w:vanity publisher|vanity publisher]], with the view that such authors are tainted and not worth serious consideration. This may or may not be an issue for some people trying to get involved here. :As far as the physical publication of Wikibooks content, this is something that requires some fairly substantial up front capital in order to make Wikibooks to be comparable or cheaper than traditional books. This is something I have spent quite a bit of time and effort in trying to work on, and it hasn't been easy. Nothing personal against Lulu, Kinkos, or other publishers, but for low volume print runs their prices are too high and discourage people from taking risks. If you want to have a personal copy of a Wikibook that you have labored over and spending $40-$50 USD for a single copy, they aren't a bad place to start. But when competing against major publishers who through high volume sales can reduce a price of their books of similar quality and content to about $5-$10 USD per book (and make a profit!), it is very difficult for us to compete. :We are currently in a chicken or egg situation where neither the egg has been laid nor the chicken is around. Somehow we need to be able to take some of the already outstanding content and turn this into something that can be handed to actual readers. The efforts to create PDF files for several Wikibooks are certainly one very significant step in this direction, but the next step, of distributing the content outside of the circle of internet websites, is going to be a little bit harder. About the only benchmark we have to compare what the potential market for Wikibooks might be is to use the Alexa web page ratings (or something similar that counts the number of visitors to Wikibooks). The Alexa rating has stagnated with Wikibooks ranking somewhere in the range of being in the [http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wikibooks.org top 3000-4000 websites] in the world (with usual disclaimers about Alexa ratings). This is not the Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects combined, but just Wikibooks including all other language editions of Wikibooks. :BTW, in regards to the ISBN numbers..... hold on. This is something that will happen shortly for Wikibooks in a big way, but it is going to be something that may take some patience. If there is an educational philanthropy organization that may be wanting to help out with getting published books derived from Wikibooks, it would be useful to note that here on the Staff Lounge. Supposedly we did have such a grant for the Wikijunior books, but I have not recieved any accounting of where the money actually went, other than into the huge abyss of the Wikimedia server farm. I'm not saying that the Wikimedia Foundation is corrupt, nor that the need for maintaining the servers is cheap (it isn't!), but some things were promised back elsewhen that have unfortunately hurt the physical publishing effort. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks Rob. Remember eggs existed before chickens! (Dinosaurs had eggs) In the same way, you have to have content to publish before you can publish. I will work on some useful content. Perhaps someday it will be easy to order books in print from Wikibooks.[[User:kgrr|<font style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</font>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]21:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC) == Image_needed image == Does anyone know of an image on the commons that would say something like "Image Needed"? In several chapters of [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]] - such as [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Poultry]], I have a section where I used a Breed_id template which is something like a Wikipedia taxobox, but more tailored to my needs. I have not been able to find appropriately licensed images of some of the chicken breeds that are called for. Instead of having an image, the best I could do (short of buying a Wyandotte chicken and photographing it myself) is provide links to web sites that ''do'' have the images. However, this is far from satisfying. What would be better than just having links to unusable images is to have an image that petitions the reader - something to the effect of "We need an image of this - if you have one, please upload it." That would be useful on Wikipedia as well - such as in a taxobox with no image. As a bonus, a "what links here" page for that image could be placed somewhere prominent so that people who just want to be helpful (perhaps by buying and photographing chickens) would have a place to check for requests. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 03:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC) : I found one on the commons similar to what I was asking for: [[image:Image needed LHB.png|thumb|(see the [[commons:Commons:Licensing|Wikimedia Licensing Policy]] before uploading an image)]] : I might start using it - but I still think it'd be better to make the plea more explicit, and I don't really want a picture of a ladybug in the background. I think whoever made this was facing a situation very similar to mine. I do think that having a generic image like this would be useful - especially with a "what links here" page. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 03:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC) ::I would change the wording to emphasise the need for freely licensed images.Otherwise people will just go to google images and replace it with whatever copyvio they find. [[User:Pfctdayelise|pfctdayelise]] 00:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC) ::: That's a good point. I have not yet attempted to wordsmith the message, but I agree that licensing should be a part of it. I'm still astounded by the amount of copyvio ''text'' I get "contributed" to my projects - in spite of the bold text above every "Save page" button. Should this "image needed" idea go on meta.wikimedia.org where it would have a more global impact? -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 00:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC) ::::I added a caption to the image above... would that help? --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 14:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC) == Persian Language Learning Template == I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help create the Lessons navigation template for the Persian Language Wikibook please. I can't get the two rows to sit directy above one another, one aligns left and the other right. Can anyone tell me what is going wrong? It's at [[Template:Persian]]. Thanks :-D [[User:Poppy|Poppy]] 22:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC) :Try now. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 22:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks! It's like magic. :-D [[User:Poppy|Poppy]] 23:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC) == A Puzzle for the Mathamatically Inclined == I have an interesting challenge for those Wikibookians who want to try and come up with an interesting algorithm that can be used for the rotation of featured Wikibooks: Right now, I'm using the formula of {{tl|JULIANDATE}} mod {{tl|FEATURENUM}} to determine what Wikibook will appear as the current featured book of the day. Here is the dilemma. When the value in FEATURENUM is modified (due to adding new books into the rotation), the resulting calculation will reshuffle all of the existing rotation in a seemingly random fashion. BTW, this is nearly the same algorithm that is currently employed for most implementations of [[w:Linear congruential generator|psuedo random number generators]], so there is more than coincidence here that it would seem random when changed. What would be nice to have is some way to keep the existing featured wikibook when the number of featured books changes, and merely tack on the new featured books onto the end of the rotation. It should also be something that would be of very low maintainence in terms of day to day operations of Wikibooks. The idea here is that if the number of featured Wikibooks changes frequently (more than a couple of times per week, for instance), it is likely that some supposedly "featured Wikibooks" will never make it onto the list just because of holes in the mathamatical sequence that is finally generated by the above algorithm. The above formula is more than likely going to be sufficient for a limited number of featured books, but I can envision a time in the future where that may not be the case. I would at least like to have somebody else think about some alternative approach to accomplish this same goal. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 17:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC) : This would not work if we had to change it manually, but if we can have it done automatically, do we need to have it last for a day? If not we could just do it per hour or something so that the randomness doesn't have as much of an effect, i.e. (24*juliandate) mod featurenum : This is, of course, beating around the bush. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small>([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk]]) </small> 18:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC) ::Since the method of calclation of the JULIANDATE template I created (much simplier than the Wikipedia version) uses the UNIX timestamp for calculations, giving us the [[w:Year 2038 problem]] (we can only hope Wikibooks last that long!), changing this to hours is trivial in this situation. Still, as you said, this only pushes back the timeframe that this would become an issue, not a real solution to the problem. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 20:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC) :::I think what he was suggesting is that if we have a lot of books that qualify, rotating every hour would mean that books would have a fair chance of being on there more often, since a random rotation might make 1 out of 100 books only appear every 700 days :). --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 21:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC) ::::I do get the argument about the hourly rotation, as with 100 featured Wikibooks it is unlikely that they would be reshuffled every 100 hours (about 4-5 days) due to new Wikibooks being added, but it may still be an issue eventually. I would have to do a solid mathamatical analysis, but it wouldn't be that even in this case the featured book would appear only once every 700 hours, but rather that some would keep reappearing repeatedly and others wouldn't even be seen at all, just due to their position in the list and the fact that the offset keeps changing. What positions keep repeating and what parts remain hidden is determinstic in nature, but a complex enough problem that it isn't worth worrying about for an individual book. ::::Pushing this from a daily book problem to an hourly problem is just a "hack", and not a proper solution this this issue, or only a short-term fix at best. ::::One possible "solution" would be to reset the start date of the "Julian Date" algorithm to when the sequence began, but this is a bit more "manual editing" that would require an additional "variable" that would have to be updated when new featured books are added. This wouldn't be hard to explain in a protocol document, but it is also one more thing to mess up. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 14:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC) == short_stage template == The short_stage template was changed today to use svg instead of png graphics. Unfortunately, this broke my book in a very unpleasant way. I was not using the short_stage template EXACTLY as it was supposed to be used. I had created a Now_work.png graphic, which is a 9x9 transparent box. I have been using that as an argument to short_stage to indicate that no work has been done writing ''answers'' for the honors in my [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]], though the honor ''requirements'' are all in place. I use 00% to indicate that less than 25% of the answers have been written, but more than 0%. On my index pages, (such as [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature]]) I use the No_work graphic to line all the honors up - they ''all'' have a short_stage macro to the left. I made an ill-fated attempt to create a 9x9 transparent svg, but it ended up being more like 256x256. Didn't notice ''that'' until I uploaded the graphic. Now my index pages are completely hosed. Is there anyone out there who can make a transparent 9x9 box as an svg? -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 02:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC) :<s>Try [[:Image:Transparent9x9.svg|this one]]. Let me know if I need to modify it at all. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 02:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</s> :I've uploaded a 9x9 transparent SVG to commons, over the top of your [[:Image:No work.svg]]. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 02:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC) ::And over mine. :) --[[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 02:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC) ::: Thanks. While I was waiting, I made a stoopid version of stage_short called stage_short_png. I went through a couple of my index pages and replaced all the stage_short templates with the new one (I've reverted again now). Now that it's fixed, maybe someone can delete stage_short_png? And maybe I should adjust the patience threshold. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 02:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC) ::::Just tag it with {{tl|delete}} and pass in a reason. Sorry, Iamunknown, the tortoise beats the hare again ;-) [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 02:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC) == Bird_id Template troubles == Hi everyone, I have written a template [[Template:Bird id]] that I'm having a bit of trouble with. There is a named parameter called "description", and no matter what I do, the template insists on putting the description text in bold. Here's an example: {{Bird id | latin_name = Baeolophus bicolor | name = Tufted Titmouse | image_1 = Tufted titmouse perching 2006-11-23.jpg | caption_1 = Tufted Titmouse | range_map = Tufted Titmouse-rangemap.gif | description = These birds have grey upperparts and white underparts with a white face, a grey crest, a dark forehead and a short stout bill; they have rust-colored flanks. The male and female have identical plumage. | call = |nocat=x }} Another thing I would like to do to this template is conditionally add an icon for an audio file (assuming I can find bird call audio on the commons). I'd ''also'' like to change the layout depending on how many of the four image arguments are included. I have room for image_male, image_female, image_juvenile, and range_map. If all four are specified, I'd like a 2x2 grid of the images. If any two are specified, I'd like them to show up side-by-side. If one or three... I'm undecided and solicit input. Perhaps have the description and an image side-by-side, or perhaps scale the width of the images and have them three-across. I know that's asking a lot, but I'm trying to put together a mini-field guide, and if we can get this tweaked nicely, I could see building on it for other field guidish modules as well. Thanks for any help you can render! -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 01:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :You had the description text as a cell heading by starting the line with a bang (!). Now fixed. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 01:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks! -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 01:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :::Nice template! Some "identification quiz" templates are in use on Wikiversity: [[v:Plant_identification/Symplocarpus_foetidus]]... I can help you make some for animal identification if you're interested. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 12:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :I'll see what I can do to add to this template to make the changes you talked about. What image do you want to use as an audiofile icon? I'll pick one at random now, and we can work on a better one later. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC) ::Thanks to everyone who has worked on this. Your efforts are greatly appreciated! WK, the icon you choose is more than sufficient. I'm going to leave it as is. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 01:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC) == wikia.com - wat is the difference between this and wikipedia ! == wikia.com << wat is the difference between this and wikipedia ! :Wikia is a commercial wiki project and so features advertising. There are also more specialised categories which makes Wikia suitable for some topics which are currently not allowed on Wikipedia or Wikibooks, etc. (like game guides and fiction). [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Poland_2.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 19:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :Wikia was started by [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]], just as Wikipedia was, and there are many people who have been active contributors to Wikimedia projects (like Wikibooks and Wikipedia) who are also very active contributors on Wikia, so I can understand a source of your confusion here. Wikia is also noted for being much more open about creating new Wiki projects, as all you really need to have is just a very good idea and they will likely let you start the project. Things like fiction and original academc research are examples of projects that have been very difficult to start as a Wikimedia project which Wikia didn't even hesitate to get started. :Since they are not Wikimedia sister projects, there really isn't any special distinction they have over any other Wiki or even conventional website as far as Wikibooks is concerned. We do mention a few Wikia sites explicitly on Wikibooks mainly to suggest alternatives when there are regular sorts of contributors who do show up on Wikibooks asking about specific kinds of content. :A small portion of what Wikia earns does go back to the Wikimedia Foundation to help support financially this website, and Wikia in the past has also offered technical and server bandwidth to help support the Foundation as well. So there are some additional ties to Wikipedia, but they are more indirect and certainly something that any other group could also do to help this and other Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 20:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ::It's like asking what is the difference between Google and Yahoo? different websites with different goals, even if they are both based on "wiki" technology. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC) == PDF Versions? == These textbooks are great, but suppose I wanted to print out a text book. It'd be nice if we had some type of functionality built into Wikibooks such that when you click "Get PDF Version", it would output the entire Wikibook into PDF form, complete with copyright pages, TOC, index and cover pages. This could be done using standard algorithms that just parsed the mark-up. Cool, eh?! <small>—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:128.229.113.106|128.229.113.106]] ([[User talk:128.229.113.106|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/128.229.113.106|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small> :This is something that perhaps ought to be put on a FAQ page instead. Yes, creating a PDF file directly from Wikisyntax would be a fun and interesting project. Unfortunately, like so many other things, what we do here is done with volunteer labor. And to do a whole Wikibook you would have to do markup for more than just one "module", but to do so for a whole range of modules, and there are other considerations as a PDF file is more or less a way to make a "printed" version as well. There are also legal requirements, such as including the GFDL that would have to be done as well, not to mention a way to scan all of the modules that are included and to try and list all of the authors who have contributed to that content. :Some of these issues havn't been completely decided yet either. Who is an author of a Wikibook? Certainly somebody who has been very active in content development and has dozens or hundreds of edits would count, but what about people who are good copy editors and have helped clean up grammar and spelling? How about blatant vandals who deliberately try to mangle and deface the pages? How do you identify which type of contributor has made an edit? It may seem obvious to you who are human and can tell the differences, but how do you automate that sort of decision making? It isn't as easy as you may think, and would be a very complicated computer algorithm, especially when dealing with all of the subtle exceptions. :The other aspect is merely the technical side of even converting HTML to a PDF format. You can do that simply enough, but the resulting document will frankly be something absolutely awful to look at and to read if you use the typical converter programs that are available at the moment. I've done some conversions myself from the Wikibook pages by using Open Office, but when I have imported the web pages, there is still considerable room for reformating that is necessary. And sometimes there are some elements that are specific to the on-line nature of this project that simply don't translate to a printed document easily, if at all. If you edit the imported HTML by hand, you can make these decisions easily enough, but trying to automate that decision making is not trivial. :Writing a very good Wikisyntax to PDF converter is certainly something that in the long term would be an excellent project to work on. It is also something that will take years and years of effort by very highly trained individuals who have the technical expertise necessary to get this task done and must be done by volunteer contributors. Do you have the skills and the time/money necessary to help out here? --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC) ::Well... I agree it is a project that takes time! I'm working on a wiki to pdf converter based on latex to get a good presentation, but it is far from finished ( http://wikipdf.sourceforge.net/ ). In the meantime, you can use Magnus' online tool (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/wiki2xml/w2x.php ) to do the conversion (you can contribute to wikipdf too if you know python). [[User:CyrilB|CyrilB]] 21:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC) :::It still looks like a poorly formated webpage that has been transformed in an automated process... at least most versions that I've seen of stuff like this. I am not commenting on this particular software here, but these are two very different formats, and they don't translate too easily from one to the other. I look at this similar to something like an automated machine language translation software: It works reasonably well to give a native speaker of the target language something to work with and clean up without having to know the original laguage of the content.. I certainly wouldn't want to rely upon the machine translation to give you the finished product. With this regard, having a LaTEX converter would be a good first step to helping clean up the various pages when they are imported into PDF files, but I'm pointing out that at best it is going to some stuff that simply must be edited by hand. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 06:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC) == Can I get unique articles of Computer Networking == Hi there, I want to contact with the computer networking writers. I am looking for help that how can I contact them directly? Any help will be highly appreciated. Regards Bushra : ''— Answered at the [[Wikibooks:Study help desk]]'' — [[User:Iamunknown|Iamunknown]] 17:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC) == Proposal for a games policy == See [[Wikibooks:Game Books]]. This issue keeps resurfacing every few months, and we never seem to get anywhere on it. Included is a policy about Video Games and RPGs, which are banned on at least some of the other-language Wikibooks projects and have in practice been more or less banned here as well. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 16:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :Why is a whole new guideline being proposed instead of working with [[Wikibooks:Game textbook guidelines]]? It is an approach to take, and perhaps from a certain perspective it may be useful to try to address the issue from a totally new direction, since the current approach has failed miserably. :I have specific objections to some aspects of this proposal, but I'll take that up on the appropriate talk page. If this proposal is accepted, I would like to push the original game textbook guidelines as a failed or rejected policy instead, and left as a historical footnote. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 20:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ::Honestly, I didn't even know about that policy. It's apples and oranges though... that policy seems to be more about quality standards, and the trend of late has been to be rather tolerant of stubs. the sentence ''"A useful question to ask is "Will my textbook be useful to non-gamers as well as gamers?". If you can say yes, then that is indicative that the textbook may be able to stay."'' captures a lot, however... I think books about the history, culture, and (perhaps) economics of gaming would be a wonderful addition. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 20:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC) :I think alot of people make the assumption that any book about videogames is against policy. This is not the case, we can have plenty of books about videogames (history of, how to make, critical understanding of themes, etc), just not ''how to play'' videogames. Similarly, we could have a book about the history and effects of pornography, but not a simple pornographic book. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC) ::Yet banning all video game books is precisely what is being proposed here, and what is being said on the Administrator's Noticeboard as well as what has been said on numerous VfD discussions (that it is already policy that there are no video game books allowed). --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 08:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC) :::I did not realize that change was being made. Under the current text of [[WB:AT]], books ''about videogames'' are allowed in some circumstances: ::::''it may be possible to annotate a motion picture, a video game, or a musical song/album. Such cases might be permitted under this policy if they are shown to be academic and well-written.'' :::Anything being proposed against the fact has a very hard uphill battle ahead of it. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 18:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC) == Template on discussion page == On Wikipedia there is often a template on the discussion pages saying "# Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes ([[User:Poppy|Poppy]] 17:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)). # Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.". There is an example of it here: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac]]. I was wondering if there is a similar template available for Wikibooks as I saw quite a few comments on the book I was editing with no signature. [[User:Poppy|Poppy]] 17:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC) ==A (northern) springtime update on Wikimedia projects== As the weather turns to the warmer in the Northern Hemisphere, I wanted to remind everyone of all the wiki-projects out there having to do with plants. On Wikiversity, there are some budding projects, including the [[v:Bloom Clock|Bloom Clock]] and [[v:Plant identification|Plant Identification]]. The Bloom Clock is a "research project anyone can contribute to", where contributors can record any flowers they see blooming on any particular day and in any particular region, with the eventual goal of creating a database of bloom times that will be informative both about the plants themselves and the regions they grow in. The Plant Identification project is aimed at creating learning materials for students of horticulture, botany, and agriculture by creating quizzes that make use of the vast resource of photographs on Wikimedia Commons. On Wikimedia Commons, there are always plants needing identification and new images needed. Check in at [[commons:Commons:WikiProject Tree of Life|Commons:WikiProject Tree of Life]] to see what's going on there. On Wikibooks, [[A Wikimanual of Gardening|A Wikimanual of Gardening]] has been growing by leaps and bounds, thanks in no small part to the Import tool, used to copy articles from Wikipedia. There are hundreds of pages (many needing help). Last but not least, the [[w:WP:PLANTS|Plants Wikiproject]] on Wikipedia is always active, with plenty of friendly and knowledgeable participants who are happy to help you identify photographs or answer questions. So, while you might not be able to bring Wikimedia to the woodland, meadow, or garden, there are plenty of ways you can use Wikimedia to learn and teach others about the flowering plants which are so welcome a sight after a long cold winter.--[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 18:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC) == [[History of Wikibooks]] == This is a general call for assistance on this project. I've been doing some general research into the very early history of this project... particularly trying to find out what motivated the creation of this project in the first place (would you believe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion_archive_May_2004&direction=next&oldid=1019149 a VfD]?) If there are any amature (or even professional!) historians who want to help me with trying to dig up the original documents and discussions which formed what is today Wikibooks, I would be very grateful for that assistance. Or help in the collaboration of actually writing this book. I don't believe it will be too large (we aren't even four years old yet), but it is something that I think has some general significance to many of the discussions that we have been having here lately. Thanks in advance for those who might want to help participate with this project. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 09:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC) == Cookbook/copyright & links issue == A new user {{user|Reever2}} has contributed quite a large number of recipes yesterday. They all have links on to a website and are direct copies of the material on the website. If you look at my talk page (& the user's one) you will see that they appear to be connected with the website and assure me that they have permission to publish the material. I have directed them to Commons licensing to see how Wikimedia need the permission confirmed (OTRS presumably). However the user has also been warned for placing links to the site on many Wikipedia pages (& was blocked for doing so, unblocked on the understanding that they stopped which they did). Therefore I see another issue of attempting to promote the website via Wikibooks and so, whether the content is licensed or not, the links and promotion of the website are unacceptable to me. I have said that I will seek a broader view (& not delete any pages that are currently copyvios and mostly marked) until this is resolved. Thanks --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 10:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :I added some comments of my own onto this user's web page that I hope explains the copyright situation in friendly terms, and reinforces your comments here as well, Herby. Ideally, this website should explicitly mention that the text (and possibly the video files too!) are available for redistribution under the terms of the GFDL. I don't know if they are prepared to go that far, as the website doesn't appear to take licensing too seriously. The terms of use are for the most part [http://www.videojug.com/terms/termsofuse "non-commercial use only"]. Since Commons discourages (doesn't completely block) video files from being uploaded, having an external source for videos like this may be complimentary to Wikibooks, but asking them to change to the GFDL may be a bit much to ask. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 11:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC) ::I think that Robert highlights the only viable path for these recipe pages: either the company in question explicitly permits redistribution of their content under GFDL, or it's all in violation of their copyright. Let's see how the company now responds to your detailed message on Reever2's talk page. ::On the separate but related subject of external links in these recipe pages, I think that if the copyright issue is resolved, the links should stay. External links should be allowed only if they are directly related to the the book/article/page/recipe and provide additional benefit to the reader, and in this instance, they do so by providing a video of the meal being prepared. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 05:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC) : I think as Robert said, there terms of use would have to change to GFDL. Alternatively the the terms of use could allow duel licensing in which GFDL is an acceptable alternative. From what I understand Wikimedia Foundation's position is that "non-commercial use only" is unacceptable. I believe the website to have an even more restrictive policy then that. In addition to obtaining a copy for "non-commercial use only", copying is restricted for "personal use only" and given only for the purpose of obtaining a local copy rather than for redistribution. Which are incompatible with the GFDL. I would say go ahead and delete. If the website later changes their policy to allow their content to be redistributed under the GFDL, than the contents can be readded/undeleted. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC) ::The licensing issue I agree with all said and it can be sorted. However for those it doubt on the intentions regarding the website I think folk should at least look [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Reever2 here] and at the contribution log etc, something like 100 links to the website in two days and no edits since they agreed not to place links --[[User:Herbythyme|<span style="color:green">Herby</span>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 12:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :::Actually, this is flat out copyvio since you can't duplicate or redistribute "any material on the VideoJug Site except as is strictly necessary for Your own personal non-commercial home use unless otherwise agreed in writing with VideoJug." We can't fairly demand that others comply to our copyrights if we don't comply with theirs. These are all speedy deletes unless VideoJug releases under a free licence. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 14:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC) ::::This user claims to be an employee of VideoJug, and it appears that all contributions from people external to that company must transfer copyright ownership to VideoJug before it can be seen on that website. I personally think they would be better off relicensing under the GFDL, but that is not my call to make here. I'll have to see if this individual is going to come back and give us the permission that is needed, as I indicated on his user page. We can decide (or the main contributors to the [[Cookbook]] can decide) if the external links are something that is reasonable. There is some added value to having links to a video on how to make the recipes, so I think there may be some merit to keeping the links... if we can get copyright permission in the first place. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 18:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC) ::::: I'm not sure how most cases to verify this are handled. The most straight forward method of verification that I can think of, is simply a matter of the website indicating that the contents can be used under the terms of the GFDL. Isn't this something that the Wikimedia Foundation usually takes care of verifying? I think it would be risky for us to assume to be able to verify it independently. I would have to agree with SB_Johnny, that its an out right copyright violation and so must be speedily deleted. When and if, later it is verified than it can be readded or undeleted, but until then deleting it is required by policy. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :::::: Actually, the Wikimedia Foundation does not have responsibility over the content of projects.... or so I'm told repeatedly, even though there are some very contradictory issues here. As the {{tl|copyvio}} template is quite clear about, any formal permission to use the content must be on the talk page of each module that may have some question as to its copyright status. And no, we don't need to work through or with the Wikimedia Foundation on this issue. Certainly if there are any formally signed "copyright permission" letters that have been signed, that they could send them to the Wikimedia Foundation general counsel, but since Brad just resigned I don't know who that might be. I suppose sending such letters to the WMF office or to Anthere directly would work.... but they would only be agents acting on behalf of the Wikibooks community here. We could in theory even set up somebody else to receive these letters or establish other policies here.... although the WMF certainly would be easier to work with in this situation. ::::::As far as verification of copyright... that is completely up to us as a community to decide how that is done and to do the actual verification of copyright status. While a copyvio is a speedy delete, we do have as written policy (again, see the copyvio template) that we will give the person who adds the content at least a week to try and demonstrate that they do have a license to use the content. That week certainly hasn't passed yet for these recipes. This particular individual who is adding this content seems very sincere to me and this is unusual enough that I would like to give him a chance to show he really does have permission to add this stuff. I don't think he has encountered people like us here on Wikibooks (and Wikipedia) that are as paranoid about copyright on a project that allows anybody to edit, and you have to admit that wiki cultures and communities do have their own unique philosophies on stuff like this if you havn't dealt with this kind of situation before. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 15:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC) *reset The person that does the contribution is responsible by the content he adds, if any challenge is given to that contributions by the community the contributor must provide or extend the info as info on the original works is by default required by the GFDL. I personally have done so in 2 distinct times because of the C++ Programming book, one involved a Java book, I moved the GFDL content to Wikibooks at the time to close the subject and another a challenge that even included a VfD, all challenges were drooped, this types of challenges is a way of the community to protect itself but it can still be based on a user intending to cause trouble or as expression of bad intention as such some care must be given on initiating such actions, even if the community can take preventive action, ultimately the original authors of the works are the only ones that can request a pull down on copyright violation charges and the contributor can probably have legal problems based on his actions. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 15:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC) =====Cookbook/copyright & links issue continued===== ''(Tabs reset)'' I don't think anyone has deleted yet, have they? In any case, whether or not it's a Foundation issue or a WB issue isn't really the issue, unless we want to make a major change and accept things that aren't free. Our mission is to produce free textbooks, whether on Engineering, Physics, the Culinary Arts, or even Horticulture. While we obviously can't rely completely on PD/GFDL/CC sources (for example, I'd guess that a lot of the out-of-copyright cookbooks use an awful lot of lard, and some of the older garden books I've seen often mention Nicotine sulfate, Arsenic, and Cyanide as being wonderful pest controls), wholesale copying from websites that have clear copyright restrictions on how things are used is not at all a good idea. Speedy removal of such material is also quite important, since anyone who comes along later to improve copyvio material are essentially just wasting their efforts, since "derivative works" of copyrighted materials are still copyvios. We want good, free content. There's plenty of good content around that's not free of course, but ''we'' are here to provide good, ''free'' content. No matter how good it is, if it's not free, then it's not good for us. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 15:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC) : Worst still is if someone were to duplicate the copyvio content somewhere else under the belief its GFDL material. The website clearly states its copyright, so this isn't a question of whether or not its copyvio or not, so it should be deleted. My suggestions/comments are for what might be able to be done to allow it to be here in the future. I have no problems with people working to try to verify that it can be here, but since the webpage states its copyright, until its verified by whatever means, it needs to be deleted, to prevent copyright problems. Discussion on how to verify it and getting it verified should be done after the current problem of being a copyvio is taken care of --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC) ::It has never been project policy to immediately delete content like this. We are supposed to mark it as a copyvio, and work with those who added the content to see if they really do have permission. I've done that and it is something currently being resolved. I actually think in this case (unlike most copyvios) that we may actually have the ability for a very large contribution to Wikibooks. Potentially we could even have a bunch of videos and other multimedia content added here as well. Please don't flame this individual or push him out, and certainly don't ruin this excellent opportunity to significantly expand and improve Wikibooks. This sort of flaming is very counter-productive to actually helping create content. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC) :::Who's flaming? (And who is being flamed?) And since when do we not delete copyvios? --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 22:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC) ::::I never said we do not delete copyvios. We just don't delete them immediately on sight. It is right there on the template, and that has been the defacto policy for Wikibooks since the template was created. And I will immediately undelete any such content which has not had a reasonable chance for the contributor to defend why they added it to Wikibooks. If the contributor doesn't respond (a very typical situation) and some time has passed, it will then be deleted. I just got through deleting a couple of images and other content from the copyvio cat earlier this week. There are legitimate reasons to delete copyvios. I just don't think this one needs to happen immediately. It will not damage the project if we let a copyvio (clearly makred as such) stick around for a month or two. The template suggests a minimum of one week. Is that a problem for you? --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 06:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC) :::::Robert, calm down. As far as I know, the pages haven't been deleted, but rather we've been discussing whether they should be "speedied". Speedy isn't very speedy around here anyway, and we've been using some other tags ({{tl|qr-em}} for example) ''precisely'' in order to have some step between speedy delete and VfD. Blatant spam and nonsense creates are speedied on sight, but everyone (including Herby, Darklama, and myself) makes an effort to talk to the contributors before removing content (I even make it a point to notify the "fiction" contributors, so they can save the file locally or find another place for it). :::::Are all the pages marked with {{tl|copyvio}}? If that's the case, then no problem... I doubt anyone will try to work further on the content until those issues are settled in any case. :::::We do need to be able to talk to a contributor who might not understand the licensing issues, and even stop them in their tracks if they don't respond (I don't know of that ever having been needed here on Wikibooks, but on Commons we ''do'' block people for repeatedly uploading proprietary/unsourced/etc. images without responding to queries (BTW, Herby and I are both Commons administrators, so we deal with this issue a lot more than most admins here), and in fact we even have terrible problems with sockpuppets doing this (particularly with porn)). It's not flaming, it's just an administrator's responsibility to clean up messes that are made, and prevent further messes.--[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 15:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC) ::::::I guess I'm not understanding why this part of the thread even came up, and why you said "Speedy removal of such material is also quite important, since anyone who comes along later to improve copyvio material are essentially just wasting their efforts, since 'derivative works' of copyrighted materials are still copyvios. " That this was clearly marked as copyvios is true, and even the context as to why we were deciding to keep this content was also quite clear at the beginning of this discussion. This is not some sort of pornography, and indeed it would be unbelievable that the content we are talking about here would ever be deleted except for the fact that we can clearly identify the original source of this material. This is not vandalism nor tasteless content being added to Wikibooks. And the contributor is very clear that he thinks he has copyright permission to add this content, even if we are questioning it. It is within that framework that I was talking about how we could verify that he is in fact authorized to add this content to Wikibooks. I am not trying to "make a major change and accept things that aren't free", but try to get what is here that we know about and make that free. It is these points I'm responding to, together with the comment that it is "Worst still is if someone were to duplicate the copyvio content somewhere else under the belief its GFDL material. The website clearly states its copyright, so this isn't a question of whether or not its copyvio or not, so it should be deleted." Since this is clearly marked as a copyvio, who is realistically going to modify this and use this elsewhere? The copyvio template sticks out like such a sore thumb that anybody copying content marked as such ought to be chastized, as the template clearly warns anybody that the GFDL is null and void for that content until the copyright status can be resolved...including by deletion as one form of resolution. And while "We do need to be able to talk to a contributor who might not understand the licensing issues, and even stop them in their tracks if they don't respond", this particular individual has responded frequently to the requests of two totally different users, myself and Herby. What we are trying to cover is where to go from here when they think they have copyright permission, which is a totally different situation. That this is a weekend and he is a full-time employee working a normal 9-5 job monday through friday and hasn't responded since he went home for the weekend shouldn't be a reason to complain that he hasn't responded yet. He is actually being very timely on his responses, to be honest. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 15:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC) :::::::Well yeah, sure! But this conversation isn't on his/her talk page (where some are talking specifics and working to see what can be done), this is on the Staff lounge (where we've drifted into a more general conversation). Conversation is good. Accusing people of flaming (when they're not) is bad. What you seemed to by saying above (or below, or somewhere) is that we shouldn't insist on the material being free, and perhaps even consider it free regardless of what the site owners say because ''their'' contributors might have ''really'' intended to make it free, but didn't understand that website owner's copyright. That's just unacceptable to me. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 15:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC) ::::::::Where did I insist "that we shouldn't insist on the material being free, and perhaps even consider it free regardless of what the site owners" said? I said nothing of that nature at all. I just said we didn't need to delete it immediately. The [[w:DMCA|DMCA]], which is the U.S. law (and directly affect Wikibooks because the server is in the USA) that governs this sort of stuff, only requires a removal of the content within 90 days ''after we have been formally notified by a take-down notice''. In this case, a notice of that nature wasn't even given at all, but instead we have gone well above and beyond what is required in normal copyright law for websites and have taken active steps to determine copyright status of this content. We need to insist on the content remaining free, but we also need to assume good faith on new contributors. Last time I checked, one week was substantially less than 90 days. I don't know of any copyvio markup that has ever lasted more than 90 days in the copyright infringement cat. There is no need to hurry on these matters and get them resolved in just a couple of days. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 19:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC) :I don't think the dispute here is if it is free content. I just have my reservations that this particular individual {[[User:Reever2]]) has the authority to relicense this content under the terms of the GFDL. And I've tried to make it very clear that we need to have this formal permission. He is just confused about the whole license thing, as the VideoJug website (and other similar websites, I might add) insist on a full copyright transfer to them when you submit stuff to them. This is such a common practice in the entertainment industry that this whole idea of keeping copyright but only granting a license is very strange when coming from that sort of content culture. For example, if you submit a story idea to a popular TV show you like.... the idea becomes property of the producers of that show, or they won't even look at it. :I am just suggesting a bit of patience here in allowing all of this to soak into the mind of this particular contributor, so he can genuinely understand what it is that we are doing here. And I'm trying to assume good faith in this particular individual, and I'm not trying to change any sort of project policy here at all. We can't have copyright violations, but we can seek to get copyright permission (in the form of a license under the terms of the GFDL), and that has been project policy from day one here on Wikibooks. :Please, let's not flame this issue to be anything more than it is.... somebody trying to add content here that doesn't understand the issues of licensing and the GFDL. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC) ::Agree, If no authorization is claimed and seems that the user has indeed violated the copyright of the work a copyvio tag should be placed on it and an attempt made to contact the website after some time or if no authorization is recognized the book (not only the page) should be reverted to a date previous to the insertion of the material or placed all for VfD. But we have to go by the process... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 16:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC) I have clarified my status with an e-mail from my Videojug account to Robert Horning stating that i do work for the Videojug website. Thanks for your responses and I have been reading the discussion on the staff pages since Friday. You are correct- I do work a Monday to Friday job and this is the first time I have had to respond to this particular message and thread. For arguments sake, I am happy for the pages to be deleted until our organisation have made a decision on the 'copyright material', which unfortunately due to a hectic schedule (launch in the US), this is to be put on hold for a couple of days. Once a decision has been made at the Videojug office, I will notify you or another Wikibook contributor to ensure that it can be re-added to the your pages under GFDL copyright. I didn't fully understand the copyright law on Wikibooks, and therefore have caused an untimely argument between the administrators and i'm sorry for that. In view of some of the comments "The user added 100 external links to the website, and then didn't add any more"- basically as I was adding my website's content on Wikipedia I had to provide a referenced source for the material, and therefore when I was told off for spamming, I couldn't add the material without the referenced source i.e. had no content really to provide so didn't add further. So just to clarify, I am happy for the content to be removed from the Wikibooks website until further notification from my company- however the information provided from a Wikipedia administrator I am still a little annoyed over as he has wasted about 2-3 hours of my time by stating that I could add material to the Wikibook's website. Thanks for your responses and I hope that I can be of assistance to your website in the near future == Moving on policies == I am bringing up a comment here from [[User:Withinfocus]] that was made on [[Wikibooks talk:Administrators#Trolling]]. I would add that I can understand the frustration here about trying to get policies written and changed here. On [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks/Unstable]], there has been an attempt to try and get a vote going for approval twice, but both times seemed to have failed due to some ongoing discussion about some of the fine points of policy and continuing changes. In addition, the voting on these policies tends to be rather diffuse and sometimes hard to even find out if there is a vote going on at all. I'm not claiming to have any special magic here, but I would like to point out a page that I worked on ([[User:Garrett]] started it) that may help out: [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote]] The point here is if we are moving to try and formally ratify some of these policies, that perhaps the voting on them ought to be separated from the discussion about the policy, and that once the decision is made to attempt ratification of the policy, it ought to be "frozen" until it is accepted or rejected. This also gives the additional ability for users to monitor if new policies are in the works, and if there is any current voting taking place on policies. This isn't really a new thing, as several policies have already been adopted using this system. Unfortunately, it hasn't been used since the deletion policy was passed. I hope this is only because others may not even be aware of its existance. It also provides a central clearing house for what policies are being actively developed. Certainly we need to get moving on several of these policies, and there is mostly concensus in many of these cases to ratify what is curently written proposed policy. When this voting page was used, we were able to move quickly on several policies that had some long-term consequences to Wikibooks, and do so with few disgruntled feelings either. [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote/Deletion Policy|This is the page]] where the Deletion policy was decided, and it should be noted that substantial community participation did occur here. I hope that something like this may unblock the current logjam that we have to getting any policy passed. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 19:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC) That's a fantastic help Robert! I am constantly aware of many different proposed policies but usually have no idea how to find them or where to vote. It would be easier if policies were just written and people votes in support or against. If they have any changes to suggest to the policy then they should vote 'against' and write their own version of the policy. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Poland_2.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 21:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC) Hmm, ok now I'm confused. According to that link there are no current votes on policy. This may explain why people aren't voting on proposed changes to policy - because we have no idea where to look and some policies have a template linking to 'an unstable branch' whatever that means. It's no wonder that people aren't voting as it's impossible to find current votes and the votes are full of lengthy comments rather than simple 'support' or 'oppose' votes. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Poland_2.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 21:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :Agree, I think that most people check the staff lounge or the bulletin board nowadays (even with all the redesign), but there is no standard way to place an announcement, any proposal should be stated clearly and publicly. Another problem is on rehashing discussions, for instance discussion is initiated on a policy and posted on the staff lounge, after discussion on the policy tries the policy suffers huge changes or is proposed to be made a guideline or vice-versa or just is polled again and in some cases no announcement is even placed, another problem is people sometime can't or are unable to access Wikibooks a good way to be informed of this types of events would be the mailing list. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :Why not a simple update to [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]] and turn it into a <s>guideline</s> policy (making sure no overlap exists with [[WB:DM]]), and start using all the already existing infrastructure [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Proposed reform]] to state new proposals and status changes and [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines/Vote]] etc... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :I decided to follown the link and read about 'What is Wikibooks "unstable"' yet discovered that the talk page was much much bigger than the actual proposal being discussed. I had no idea what the hell made the proposal any different from the current policy - surely that should be emphasised. Why can't people just vote on the policy and be done with? There appear to presently be only about 7 or 8 people actually involved in policy discussions (well done for having such patience guys) and it's crucial that more Wikibookians can find out what's happening. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Poland_2.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 12:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC) ::I noticed the same problem, Xania. A few weeks ago I started working on a list of policies and their various states in table form in my [[User:Xixtas/Sandbox|sandbox]]. My thought is that we should create a page [[Wikibooks:Policy votes]] and put everything that is currently marked as proposed up there and see what happens. There would probably be consensus to adopt one or two, consensus to reject 3 or 4 and the rest would have some kind of dispute to be ironed out. But that would at least get the process rolling and provide an effective overview of the state of these proposals. As a matter of fact, I'll probably just [[WB:BOLD|Be bold]] and do it this weekend. --[[User:Xixtas|<span style="color:turquoise">xixtas</span>]] ^{[[User_Talk:Xixtas|<span style="color:magenta">talk</span>]]} 13:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC) :::I changed your proposed page into a redirect link to the above voting page. I'll also have to create a shortcut of [[WB:PV]] that may make it easier to do this as well. I did some further cleanup of the policy voting page to list a couple of policies I know that are under development, and I think perhaps this page ought to be put into the sidebar as well. It is certainly general enough that it also has an impact upon people who are participating on this project. :::As far as what the difference on [[WB:WIW]] between the current and unstable versions, the wording of the two versions is incredibly different and does represent the largest change to this policy that I have ever seen ether here on Wikibooks or for that matter on any Wikimedia project that I have ever seen for a similar kind of policy. On a substantive level, however, there really isn't that much change, which was one of the points of the rewrite. Much of the discussion is about what was left out of the newer policy compared to the older policy that was substantive and may still be needed (my arguments were primarily along this line of thought), and how to clean up wording to emphasize some aspects of Wikibooks (such as an increased focus on textbook development) and reduce the emphasis on ''"What Wikibooks is Not"''. Since this is the "foundation" policy that was established at the very beginning of Wikibooks and is essentially the most influential policy document for this whole project, it is a very big deal that this is both being worked on and that many of those who have worked on it seem to feel that it is nearly done with the current round of revisions. It is a compromise of wording from many people, and not everybody (including myself) is completely happy with the way it has turned out, but as a fundimental charter to Wikibooks I think it will be an outstanding policy. By all means if anybody else is reading this wants to get involved with helping to draft this policy, I hope they come to [[Wikibooks talk:What is Wikibooks/Unstable]] and join in the discussion. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 14:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC) == Wikimedia licensing policy resolution == Many people will remember my last post on the subject of copyrights in reference to an essay posted by Kat. At the time we generally adopted a "wait and see" stance, to see what the wikimedia foundation's official stance on the issue would be. Well, the wikimedia foundation has finally posted an official resolution on the matter: [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy HERE it is]. Under the terms of this resolution, all uploaded material must be under a free license ''except for a small number of exceptions''. Our project gets to author an "exemption doctrine policy" (EDP) for material that is allowed to be uploaded here that is not under a free license (fair use). Here are some of the limitations: # "EDPs must be minimal". Important historical items, logos, and information about contempory copyrighted material. This means that screenshots of copyrighted software is allowed. # Media uploaded under the terms of the EDP must be deleted if a free alternative is provided, or if there is a reasonable expectation that a free alternative could be provided. # Media uploaded under the EDP must be deleted if the rationale of the exception is not properly expressed. A simple tag on an image of "this is fair use" might very well not be appropriate rationale. Also, since we do not currently have an official EDP (the fair use policy has never been made "official", despite wide-spread ad-hoc adoption) we are subject to section 6 of the resolution, which I will post in it's entirety here: :6. For the projects which currently do not have an EDP in place, the following action shall be taken: ::* As of March 23, 2007, any newly uploaded files under an unacceptable license shall be deleted. ::* The Foundation resolves to assist all project communities who wish to develop an EDP with their process of developing it. ::* By March 23, 2008, all existing files under an unacceptable license as per the above must either be accepted under an EDP, or shall be deleted. By this, basically, any new media that is uploaded here that is not under a free license must be deleted until we officially adopt our [[Wikibooks:Fair use policy]]. This means that any image uploaded under a fair use tag needs to be removed. Also, any existing files that we have here must be covered by our EDP, or they must be deleted also. Even after we adopt the fair use policy, we need to insist that all future fair-use media must have an appropriate "exemption rationale" or they must be deleted. Everybody should read this resolution, and I think we need to get to work ASAP on our fair use policy. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC) :You have so throughally misinterpreted what has been said here by the Wikimedia Foundation that I don't know where to begin. We do not need to immediately delete fair use images off of this project, or to really change anything we have been doing on this project for the past year or more. Yes, we need to be careful about what gets uploaded, and we do need to watch and make sure that all images are tagged for copyright license status clearly. And the WMF board has also said that if we do come up with a formal policy (like [[WB:FUP]]) that they have the "right" to come in and modify this policy. :But do not use this as a call to arms for deletionists to come in here and start culling even more content here on Wikibooks. This is not the intention of this policy. Trust me that the last word on this policy has not been said, and that when the full implications of this policy are realized (including your suggestion that it implies removal of all current fair use content) that it will be tweaked even more. :That we should move on trying to decide what would go into a fair use policy is true, and we should use this as an opportunity to review fair use on this project. But we don't need to start making huge changes and waves here that is substantially different than what we have been doing in the past. :We can allow fair use on this project, and keep in mind that the reason I started the current fair use policy was to ''limit fair use'' on this project, not to expand permitted content. All the WMF is trying to say here is that we need to take this issue seriously, and that for those projects who havn't even given this topic this level of consideration (en.wikibooks was not the target of this policy discussion... but even held out as a good example of a project that was trying to resolve this issue) that perhaps it was time that something of this nature become a part of the conversation of that project. :I have no idea why there is this very arbitrary deadline that was given, but it seems as though this was something in particular that was not thought through. Let us try to decide as a project what direction we would like to go, and to fit within the guidelines of what is considered an acceptable content license policy for the foundation. I think the current [[WB:FUP]] is certainly within those guidelines, although I would have to say that what the WMF is asking here goes beyond even the scope of this policy and addresses all licenses. There are content licenses that are not fair use which we need to look at as well. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 13:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC) == Navigation controls == Hi I am new to Wikibooks, and am learning the tricks and ways in navigating through. I have been reading the help and other introductory materials; curiously I haven't yet found out an answer to some basic questions I had in mind. * '''Q:''' Is there an efficient way to navigate through the chapters of a book? It seems a little bit round about if I go back to the contents and then find and click the next logical chapter. * '''Q:''' Is there some way to have some sort of a bookmarking system, so that I can easily resume reading from the last section I was reading on a book? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Hirak 99|Hirak 99]] 07:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC) :I would like to welcome you to Wikibooks, and thank you for coming here. I hope that you can not only enjoy the content which we have written, but that you would be willing to help us out with some of these issues you have raised here as well. :As for navigation through chapters of a book, there have been some efforts along those lines for some of our Wikibooks to provide navigation links between each chapter. Unfortunately, that needs to be added manually and is not a universal practice here on Wikibooks. This is one area that your assistance in helping to grow Wikibooks would be very much appreciated. If you would like some further help on how to add some navigation templates to your favorite Wikibooks, I and many others would be very happy to give you some specific details on how to accomplish this task. :In terms of bookmarking a page, I would suggest at this time to use your web browser to mark where you are at in terms of reading a Wikibook. Still, this is an interesting idea that perhaps could be developed even more and added to the MediaWiki software that is running our website here. I don't think any real consideration has gone into what a bookmarking system might be like. :One alternative you may consider is to click on the "watch" button at the top each page. While this isn't the intended use for this tool, you can build up a list of your "favorite" pages of Wikibooks and have them available to go back to if you want to remember where you were at. And you can delete pages from this "watchlist" just as easily as you can add them. Doing this doesn't affect any other user. :Good luck, and if you have any other positive suggestions for Wikibooks, we would be glad to listen to them. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 14:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC) ==Data collections== The question has come up on two current Wikipedia AfD discussions, of the proper place for collections of standard data. In one case, the matter under discussion is a summary of part of the LC classification [Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Library_of_Congress_Classification:Class_B]. In the other, it is a portion of an astronomical ephemerides [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aspects_of_Pluto] . Wikisource is apparently not the place, they are clearly oriented around text. Is Wikibooks suitable. (note that in either case these are not research-level or professional-level data -- a professional would use a much more detailed source. Rather, they are convenient summary tables, to use in connection with more general work. It has also been suggested that we need a new Wiki Project for such information. [[User:DGGB|DGGB]] 01:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC) :It has been the general historical position around here that lists of data are not acceptable for wikibooks. Typically a wikibook should have some sort of instruction or narrative. Tables of astronomical data from wikipedia were moved here in the past, and they were all deleted. Some tables have been integrated into related books, however. Tables of Unicode characters, for instance, were integrated into related programming books as appendices. Such an occurance is typically more the exception then the rule, however. Unfortunately, this data probably just needs to be deleted. I would be willing (or any number of other wikibookians, i'm sure) to address this issue directly on wikipedia, as the question of what precisely belongs here is often called into question. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 01:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC) == Robot help needed == I have a huge task ahead of me that would best be performed by a robot. I was working on the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Birds]] chapter in the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book]], when I realized that I had made a pretty good start on a field guide for birds. I decided that it might be better just to move my work out from under the AYHAB pages and into a field guide in its own right. But when I tried, I found that [[Field Guide/Birds]] already exists. Luckily, all the work I did pretty much applies to eastern North America, and that chapter in the Field Guide was a red link - so I ended up moving the field-guidy part of my book to [[Field Guide/Birds - Eastern US and Canada]]. However, each bird detailed there is on its own page, still under the AYHAB hierarchy. It needs to be moved under the Field Guide/Birds Hierarchy instead. I do think that each bird should be under "Field Guide/Birds/Bird Name" rather than "Field Guide/Bird Name" though, because ''some'' species of animal and plant share a binomial name. Therefore, I don't find it difficult to believe that they could also share a common name as well. I suppose one could argue we should deal with those rare instances as they occur and disambiguate parenthetically. Does anyone have a robot they could arm to move these pages for me? I will probably do something similar to the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Edible Wild Plants]] chapter too, so please stay tuned, and I'm ''sure'' there are a few other similar chapters in there too. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas (aka Jomegat)]] 02:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC) :Do you know perl? I've got a bot that could do something like this, so long as we specified a complete list of page source and destination locations. Also, my bot has a strong regular expression engine, so I should be able to convert over any links and templates. Let me know what kinds of things you want, such as inter-page navigation links or navigation templates, page categorization, etc, and I will start writing up a script to do it. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC) :: I am not comfortable enough with Perl to risk it (it's a write-only language, no?) :: Basically, all the pages with a [[Special:Prefixindex/Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Birds/|prefix of "Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Birds/"]] (including that trailing slash) need to have their prefix changed to "Field Guide/Birds/." They should also be added to Category:Field Guide, and Category:Birds. I guess. All of these pages are transcluded in [[Field Guide/Birds - Eastern US and Canada]], so I don't see a need for navigational aids. Many of them will eventually be transcluded in [[Field Guide/Birds - Western US and Canada]] as well, and perhaps in others. That complicates navigational aids, so I say leave 'em off. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas (aka Jomegat)]] 03:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC) :::I'd recommend actualy just splitting into "Field Guide to Birds/Bird Name" rather than going the sub-subpage route... it's an awful lot easier to interlink chapters that way (two ''birds'' won't share the same binomial). I ran into the same thing in the garden book (a genus of moths having the same name as a genus of plants), but there I'm just going to do a parenthetical title ("Pieris (insects)"). There's a guy on meta who has a bot designed for this, but you'd need to come up with a list for the bot to work on in any case (and by the time you made the list, you could have been 1/2 way through the pagemoves). --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 11:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC) == Where is the old Help Cheat on wiki syntax? == I used to rely on a page for wiki syntax that seems to be gone now. It was a single page that had tables where one side showed the sytax and the other side showed what it looked like. Is it still around? [[User:Harriska2|Harriska2]] 14:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC) : Perhaps your referring to the table at [[Help:Editing#Wiki_markup]]? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC) == embed java applets? == Is it possible to embed java applets in wikibooks? Thanks in advance.--[[User:PegasusRoe|PegasusRoe]] 14:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC) == Working on a New Book [[Wireless_Mesh_Networks]] need a review == As a first time Wikibook author, I have worked on the outline of a new book I would like to write here. Could one of you guys take a look and offer some comments? I would like to apply the same structure to two more IT books, but need a good review before I spread the mistakes. [[User:kgrr|<font style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</font>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]13:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC) :I had a look yesterday, but to be honest I have no idea what it's about. Maybe an introduction chapter to start? --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 14:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC) :I know a bit about such networks, so i can give you a quick review. I'll also post links from that page to the [[Communication Systems]] book, and a link back to your book too. This is definately a good start to a book, at least a good outline for one. From what I can see you've put alot of good thought into this before you started writing, and that's one of the biggest keys to success in any book. :Your style and structure both appear to be good, and if you want to apply this to other books you certainly have my blessing. I dont know if i will be able to contribute to this book much, but I can certainly help serve as an editor and a proof-reader. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 14:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC) ::SB Johhny, Whiteknight - The point was asking for a review of two things - not so much the contents of the outline, but more the structure and to a certain extent style. What I'm looking for in the review is feedback about specific pros and cons of the outline and style I'm using. ::For example, I start with a template that gives the reader the ability to navigate from any page to any other page to browse the book. Is this good, or is it wasteful of wikibooks resources since each book will have its own navigation template? ::Then on the cover page, there is a picture with its credit below. Of course it's licensing is correct - public domain, cc, or gnu, etc. The purpose of it is to provide an appealing cover picture like you have in real books. But is it a waste of space? ::The table of contents follows a pattern: ::1. Acknowledgements Image:00%.png ::2. Introduction Image:00%.png ::3. chapter Image:00%.png :::1. section :::2. section ::4. chapter Image:00%.png :::1. section :::2. section :::3. section ::: ... ::30. Conclusion Image:00%.png ::31. References Image:00%.png ::32. Index Image:00%.png ::33. Glossary Image:00% ::34. Appendix A - appendix Image:00%.png ::35. Appendix B - appendix Image:00%.png ::36. Appendix C - appendix Image:00%.png ::37. Appendix D - appendix Image:00%.png ::External links and resources ::Indirectly I was fishing for some constructive criticism that would help me answer a few questions 1) I believe there is benefit in not numbering the chapter and section file names so that one can insert a chapter between two existing chapters or sections. Is there a reason why some people prefer to do it in a rigid matter by including numbers in the chapter and section names? 2) I believe there is a need for all the references in the book to be together in a reference chapter so that they can be referred to within the whole book rather than in one chapter or section at a time, but wikibooks seem to force you into the footnote style with the available tools. Are there tools to collect references into one chapter? 3) I believe an Index is a good thing so that a user can find a section from a list of topics. Are there tools that can help build an index? It's nice to hyperlink the online version, but how do we reference from a key term to a module number inside the book? 4) I believe a glossary is great for people to understand unfamiliar terms. If the book is printed out, hyperlinks can't be counted on. But nevertheless, there should be a table of acronyms and common terms to define them in the context of this book. 5) Is there a page that has all the copyright/copyleft that creates a chapter within a book so that when it's printed out, it's part of the book? 6) Is there a way to letter chapters instead of numbering them with the # sign. My appendix names include the alphabet letter, which keeps me from re-ordering them later. ::Whiteknight, I shamelessly applied the same structure to the book [[CCNA_Certification]]. I've provided an outline that covers most of what's needed to cover for the two exams. But it's open so that if I've left out a topic, it can be inserted. Also, IMHO, it looks much more appealing as a book and will hopefully attract some help to fill-in the topics. My next plans are to provide links to Wikipedia for each chapter. And in Wikipedia, I will put references back to his book. Hopefully, with a little guidance, the book will come to being by osmosis and bring some technical Wikipedians into Wikibooks. By the way, since Wikipedia is open source, I should be able to heist entire more or less stable articles of information and de-wikify them and include transitions to help create the book. Please let me know if I've destroyed [[CCNA_Certification]]. It looks like the project was abandoned and the structure was such that another person could not easily come in and move things around if they needed.[[User:kgrr|<font style="background: lightblue">&nbsp;kgrr</font>]] [[User talk:kgrr|^<b>talk</b>]]15:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Featured books]] project pages == [[User:Robert Horning]] has created a new [[WB:FBN|nominations page]] for good books, and I've updated the text of [[Wikibooks:Featured books]] and [[Wikibooks:Good books]] to point to it. I have changed [[Wikibooks:Good books]] from being a wikiproject to being a proposed guideline. Now, if you find a good book that you think warrants some kind of recognition, you can nominate it at [[WB:FBN]]. It will run similarly to a VfD discussion, only more positive. Everybody should take a look at these pages and see what's going on. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 22:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC) == Book about using Wikibooks == I'd like to propose a book about using Wikibooks. This book would progress along the same lines that Wikibookians progress: * The Wikibook Reader ** What Wikibooks is for ** What you can do with a Wikibook ** Solicit reader feedback on the this book's talk page. * The Wikibook Editor ** How to contribute ** Be bold ** Copyright Policies ** The Advantages of Registering ** Markup help ** Communicating with other Wikibookians * The Wikibook Writer ** What is Wikibooks, What it is not ** The Sandbox ** Starting a new book ** Naming conventions ** Moving Pages ** Uploading Images * The Wikibook RC Patroller ** What is an RC Patroller? ** Reverting non-productive edits ** How to report vandalism ** How to fight vandalism (be gentle, assume good intentions unless it's pretty obvious) * The Wikibook Administrator ** Becoming and Admin ** Importing ** Deleting ** Blocking Users This could continue, but I think I've sufficiently fleshed out the general idea, and I'm beginning to get out of the area with which I am fairly familiar. This would be a book that would be read linearly - the longer a person hangs out here, the more of this book he (or she) would need and (presumably) read. It always takes you to the next step, and it's all organized in one convenient place instead of scattered about in various help pages, policy pages, etc. Thoughts? -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 01:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC) :There was some significant amount of discussion in the past that the entire [[Help:Contents|help namespace]] should be converted into a book. One of the best reasons that was presented for this was that a "help book" would have the added benefit of leading by example. Ie, the help book itself would be a good template for future books to follow. What you are proposing is a very similar idea (if not identical) to the idea of a help book, and if you started it, i would certainly have alot to contribute. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 02:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC) ::OK, I started one. You can find it at [[Using Wikibooks]]. I axed the RC Patroller chapter from the get-go, though if someone else thinks it merits its own chapter, I obviously can't stop you from adding it. Perhaps that belongs in The Wikibook Editor chapter. -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas]] 02:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC) ::I actually like the idea, however, of writing what amounts to be an entire bookshelf of Wikibooks about editing and working with Wikibooks content. I did get into a major argument with some individuals who felt that any content related to editing or moderating (aka admin stuff) ought to fall completely within the "Help" namespace. I disagree here. I think there is clear room for such books, which is one of the reasons I started [[MediaWiki Administrator's Handbook]]. I even got into a minor edit war here where another user moved this admin handbook to the Help space, and I moved it back to the main namespace. ::Another book is [[Help:MediaWiki Developer's Handbook]], which was I should note another book that was in the main book namespace and then moved, without discussion, into the Help namespace. This is clearly a stand-alone book and does not really need to fit with something in a completely different namespace. In both of these cases, they also don't have to apply strictly to Wikibooks users. ::As far as what to put into the Wikibooks Help namespace: I would like to see things like "how to create a Wikibook" or "Common mistakes of a new Wikibookian". There is plenty of content that could be added that would be of a general nature that wouldn't necessarily be a book. I don't think these pages ought to be so restricted or even so formal. ::Also, it is a pet peeve of mine to take several books and combine them into one mega book (like the [[Programming]] Wikibook) when the only real unifying theme is just that they are all related topics. One of the problems I have with the Meta help pages is that they are so dogmatic and structured that the creativity for going beyond those basic structures is nearly lost. It was also very, very difficult to localize to a specific project, particularly when it was mirrored. This was just a few of the reasons I created the VfD to remove that content when it was mirrored here. I'm not saying that there isn't useful stuff on the Meta help pages, but we can do something very different here. Because "Help" is indeed a seperate namespace, I don't think the normal restrictions of being a textbook would necessarily need to apply here. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 02:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC) :::The help namespace, in my opinion, should likely only be used to point people in the direction of more appropriate discussions on the topics. For instance, the help namespace could contain some general rules and basic distillations of policy documents (don't vandalize, etc), while pointing interested readers to the full-text of those documents. Meta already contains a large number of help documents explaining mediawiki including development and administration. However, what meta does not have, is a book on either of those subjects. Help books serve a number of valuable purposes: :::#Can serve as an example of what a good book should be, not just a description of such. :::#Can provide a narrative, and a concerted effort to teach the subject, not just present the material in a list or an article. :::#Enable help materials to be found through a normal wiki search, without having to update your preferences to include the help namespace (which many users in need of help won't know how to do anyway). :::I think that the following things need to happen: :::*The new [[Using Wikibooks]] book needs to remain in the main namespace, and be placed on a normal bookshelf (likely the computer software bookshelf). :::*The MediaWiki Developer's Handbook needs to be moved out of the help namespace, and placed on a normal bookshelf. :::*The [[MediaWiki Administrator's Handbook]] needs to be put on the same bookshelf as the above two, and not moved to the help namespace. :::*All three books listed above should be collaborative, that is that they should contain appropriate cross-links where needed. :::*The current help pages should be mined for information to be used in these three books, and links should be made from the help pages to these books, where needed. :::If nobody else does it today, i'm going to move the developers handbook out of the help namespace sometime later, and we can get to work on this project full-steam. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 15:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC) :Someone should finish merging [[MediaWiki Administrator's Handbook]] with [[A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook]]. Most of it has been done already. I've been meaning to get onto it but I probably won't have the time this week. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 19:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC) == [[Wikibooks:Resolving disputes]] == The dispute resolution / resolving disputes policy has been discussed in the past and progress has recently stagnated. Please voice your opinions regarding any changes to the policy on its [[Wikibooks talk:Resolving disputes|talk page]] or be bold and make changes to the text directly. This policy is the first step in developing several other policies including the [[Wikibooks:Editorial board]], [[WB:RFC]], and [[Wikibooks:Arbitration Committee]] and needs to be approved before other progress can occur. There's no point in discussing matters like arbitration if the community doesn't include them in the dispute resolution process. If you disagree or support something, make it known on the resolving disputes page so we can set up a chain of positive updates to our policy system. Thanks. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 12:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC) : Arbitration was removed from resolving disputes, because everything else was a far as people could agree on. I think the resolving disputes proposal should be market as rejected. The decision making policy is the first step in making decisions and how to resolve disputes. There is also a Unstable branch of the Decision making policy which has stagnated too. I believe that would be the better place to reflect the need to be civil and suggestions of mediation when a decision making process has stagnated. I think the editorial board is no longer trying to be a way to resolve disputes and is instead trying to focus efforts to deal with ways to prepare textbooks for publishing in print and related issues. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC) ::I definitely disagree. A policy such as Revolving disputes cannot be rejected as I see it; it's an essential process here. This matter has to be solved and this page definitely covers a different process than Decision making. Decision making is quite general and covers how to achieve objectives here. Resolving disputes is a process for handling disagreements. This page still needs development and once that happens we'll mark it as enforced. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 19:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC) == Translating books into bangla language == Hi, I'm a user of Wikipedia and trying to contribute with the project. The Wikibooks project has attracted my attention and I would love to translate a few of the books into Bangla language, so that the people of Bangla language can be benefited. Would you please inform me more about this?? I would appreciate your any comment. Thank you, Sheikh Tuhin sheikhtuhin@yahoo.com :There is a wikibooks project for bangla: http://bn.wikibooks.org. If you want to write books in bangla, you can write them and host them on that project. If you would like to translate books from our project onto that project, you can certainly do that too without requiring any extra permission! --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 20:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC) == Wikibooks == If I wanted to upload screenshots of the Wikibooks website for use in the [[Using Wikibooks]] book, would i be allowed to do this? Is the website interface copyrighted in any way that would prohibit use of screenshots being used in this way? And if not, what copyright tag would be affixed to such screenshots? Thanks. [[User:Urbane User|<span style="color:black"><b>Urbane User</b></span>]] [[User talk:Urbane User|<span style="color:green"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Urbane_User|<span style="color:green"><small>(Contributions)</small></span>]] 13:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC) :I think it depends what browser you are using. The folks at [[commons:Commons:Village Pump|the Commons Village Pump]] would probably be able to explain it all a lot better than I can. --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 13:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC) == Auto category == Just thought I might mention the Book category template. It is used for saying that a module of a book (say Foo/SomeModule) belongs in a category. <strike><nowiki>{{Book category|Foo}}</nowiki> is equivalent to <nowiki>[[Category:Foo|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>, which avoids every module getting indexed under the same letter 'F'.</strike> The main usage is to categorise all the modules of a given book. Just say <nowiki>{{Book category}}</nowiki> and your module Foo/Module will be placed in category Foo under 'M' for Module. -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 14:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC) :That's a hot template. Is it new, or is it old? I've certainly never heard of it (but I haven't heard of everything, I'm sure). Either way, it's good to have a template for this, so that our categories can be sorted properly. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 01:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC) ::It's pretty new. I made it for [[Haskell]] and thought it might be useful for the community. Another template which might be interesting is the <nowiki>{{Specific book stub}}</nowiki>, more of a meta-template which you can use to make templates like <nowiki>{{Haskell stub}}</nowiki> -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 09:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC) :Whoops! I've renamed it from Book category to Auto category to communicate its generality. Could somebody please bot-replace all Book category and Module category by Auto category? -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 14:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC) ::Anyone took action on this ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 23:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC) == Adding [[meta:WikiCharts|WikiCharts]] to en.wikibooks == A very interesting tool has been added to the Wikimedia tool server which attempts to calculate page access (not page editing) statistics. It involves partially modifying the [[Special:Allmessages|System messages]] for this project, particularly for the javascript that is used to generate each of these pages. It does this at a small cost of aditional HTML code that is appended onto each page as it is generated, which makes a quick http request to the tool server for counting stats. This is certainly more efficient than the typical 3rd party image links usually used for stat counting, and it is done entirely within Wikimedia projects in this case. My question here is if this is something we would like to add to Wikibooks or not. The stats certainly are something interesting, and it would be able to help us to determine if some of our content reorganization efforts are actually having any impact with those who come and stop by to read some Wikibooks content. Until this tool has been available, we havn't been able to obtain these stats as the MediaWiki stat counter has been turned off. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 14:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC) :Does it monitor every page access or we can select what pages we wish to generate a "readers" chart ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 18:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC) :If we can use this for the new [[Wikibooks:Top Active]] instead of using [http://stats.wikimedia.org third-party tools] I would be for it. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 19:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC) ::What this does is create a log entry for each time the page is accessed. Keep in mind that the '''Top Active''' pages were what pages have been edited the most.... which is a completely different topic. I think there is a role for both pieces of information. This does monitor every page that is accessed, and perhaps as importantly, it is automated so there is no need for any particular user to have to manually edit or scan the stats. The only draw back right now is that the code base for analyzing the stats is still considered experimental. For more details, go to the WikiCharts page that even has an active demo for en.wikiversity and wn.wikipedia. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 22:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC) :::Top Active does not have to represent most edits necessarily. It can simply show the most accessed. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 00:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. It would remove a lot of supposition by providing measurement. [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 22:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC) == Something worth imitating? == Commons now has the following appearing on their uploads page: <big><big>It's all about freedom</big></big> All users of files found on Wikimedia Commons must be given the Four Freedoms: <div style="float:right;margin-right:0.5em;"><imagemap> Image:Definition of Free Cultural Works logo notext.svg|75px|Free Culure rect 0 0 220 220 [[Commons:Licensing]] desc none </imagemap></div> # The freedom to '''use and perform''' the work. # The freedom to '''study the work and apply the information'''. # The freedom to '''redistribute copies'''. # The freedom to '''distribute derivative works'''. ''(From the [http://freedomdefined.org/Definition Definition of Free Cultural Works], inspired by the [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Free Software Definition].)'' Traditional copyright law does ''not'' grant these freedoms, and unless noted otherwise, everything you find on the web (including book covers, screenshots, logos, promotional photos, and so on) is copyrighted and '''not permitted here.''' Please only upload files that are in the public domain (author died more than 70 years ago), or those which are explicitly covered by a license which grants the Four Freedoms. See [[Commons:Licensing|the list of acceptable licenses]]. For works which are your own, please use one of the recommended licensing options below ("Own work"). Maybe something like that yould be good for the text appearing on the edit pages here as well? --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 14:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC) :It is interesting that the text on the bottom of the edit page (it can be modified [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning|using this page]]) has been modified substantially by each one of the Wikimedia projects. In fact, Wikibooks has been rather tame and timid in what has been put in here, with only three edits at all from the default, and the default text is nearly identical. :This is something that certainly can be modified, and there is nothing "sacred" here to keep anybody from editing this content just like any other page on this Wiki. The only difference is that it will appear on the bottom of every page when it is edited. :I would suggest that any changes try to stay relatively short and get to the point that Wikibooks expects all contributions to be under the GFDL, and that they can also be revised by other Wikibookians. Still, the idea to express some general principles about free/open content development is something that certainly new users ought to be made aware of. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 15:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC) ::We've updated a few of the mediawiki pages lately, but not so much on that one. I like something along those lines as it goves a more positive explanation of what the contributions mean, the current text seems a bit surly. I do think we could almost just copy that wholesale for our upload dialogue, though actually I'd like to include something there about uploading to commons as a normally better alternative (since presumably some books might get translated to other language wikis someday). --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 16:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC) :Some projects I think include text above every edit box as well. I think these principals would be better to be placed above then below. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 17:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC) ::That would be fine too.--[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} == Special Statistics... == [[Special:Statistics]] says there is only 25,000 page views, but according to the other data this is not possible. Is this a bug? --[[User:Remi0o|Remi]] 22:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC) :Yup... I forget why, but I'm pretty sure whatever the problem is isn't going to be fixed (the page view tracking was turned off for some reason). --[[User:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">'''SB_Johnny'''</span>]] | ^{[[User talk:SBJohnny|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]} 23:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC) :Keep in mind that the MediaWiki software has a feature to count page views and do other sorts of statistical analysis. On some MediaWiki implementations this "feature" is still turned on, but for Wikimedia projects it was determined that this page count chewed up so much CPU bandwidth (and just as importantly, required a hard drive write request to update the counter) that this feature was turned off. For almost all Wikimedia projects this number is zero, but Wikibooks was one of those projects that is old enough that it was turned on for some of the early history of this project. The 25,000 page views reflects this statistical counting from about the first six months of people using Wikibooks. :It is highly unlikely this feature will be turned back on again, even though all that needs to be done is for a Wikimedia developer to edit one line in the configuration file for this project. The arguments for keeping this feature off are just as valid as what they were when the decision was made to turn off this feature. If there is sufficient demand we could make a bugzilla request to turn the page counts back on, but I'm against the idea and I think there would be some considerable opposition among the developers as well. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 16:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC) ::I'd like to see the reporting of that number and all that are based on it turned off too then. It's disheartening to read that there are "0.03 views per edit." -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas (aka Jomegat)]] 18:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC) == Integrating Imported Material into an existing chapter == I have just imported the Wikipedia [[w:Barter|Barter]] article into [[Transwiki:Barter|transwiki space]], and now I need to cut it way down and add major portions of it to an existing chapter. Is there a way to do that? How do I merge the histories? The only thing I can think of is to chop it down to what I want and transclude it in the existing chapter, but that is such an inelegant way to proceed that I can ''almost'' not bear to do it. Is there a better way? -- [[User:Jomegat|Jim Thomas (aka Jomegat)]] 01:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC) :There is a better way to do it, although i admit that I can't quite remember how to go about doing it. If i remember correctly, it involves deleting the page, and then undeleting it, or something. Ask SBJohnny. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 01:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC) :For admins, I would recommend reading [[MediaWiki Administrator's Handbook/Page Deletion#Merging page histories]]. The only real problem I see about merging page histories is that it messes up the history of the combined pages, where it is difficult (I would say virtually impossible) to sort out what page edit was from what earlier page. This is a shortcoming of the MediaWiki software, but at least you can give credit to all of the authors who might have been involved with the content in this manner, and see exactly what they did add to the edit history. :For non-admins, I would recommend that you combine the text and reorganize the content to what you think the final version of the merged pages should look like, and then make a request on [[Wikibooks:Administrators' noticeboard]] to perform the actual page merger. Indicate what pages should be merged together together with what version should be left after all of the pages are merged together. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 00:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC) ::On a similar note, is it possible to use transclusion and/or substitution from another Wiki? For example the [[CCNA Certification]] book can "inherit" a lot of text from Wikipedia. It would be very useful to have a living book that is updated by Wikipedia. [[User:Kgrr|Kgrr]] 15:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC) :::unfortunately, it just isnt possible to transclude from one project to the other. Wouldn't it be great if you could? Besides importation, there really isnt any other good way to do this kind of stuff. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 18:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC) == [[Algebra]] and merger == I know that Whiteknight is more directly involved with the reorganization of this Wikibook, but I would like to point out that we shouldn't lose the history of this book if possible. I mean, this was a Collaboration of the Month project (featured on main page), and there certainly were many contributors to this project whose contributions should not be left unnoticed. What I'm asking here is that whoever is going to take on this task of deleting these pages, that I'm recommending that we do a full page merger to preserve the edit history of these pages, through the process of deleting both pages and merging them together through page moves.... to where ever the pages have been copied to ultimately. I know this is a tedious process, and sometimes the pages don't always fit together in a smooth fashion. But this is a better way to deal with full book mergers than simply ignoring the previous contributions. I mention this here because I don't think I have the time available to completely make this merger myself, and I don't want to have this half-way done either. I'm certainly willing to help out and do this for some of the pages, but I'd like to get some coordination and assistance from some other admins in this process as well. If we can map out what pages need to be merged and where, that would also be very useful. I would encourage the coordination to occur on [[Talk:Intermediate Algebra]]. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 10:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC) :So far in this project, what I have done is moved pages with good content to more appropriate places, and deleted unnecessary pages that contained little or no content. The problem with the [[Algebra]] book that I wanted to correct, was that it was a mishmash of unrelated and unorganized topics that loosely related to algebra. In general, considering the poor state of [[Algebra]] currently, I dont think much merger needs to happen. So many pages from [[Intermediate Algebra]] could simply be moved to the "Algebra/" namespace because there are no conflicting pages in the destination book to require a merger. By my count there are only 11 pages in the [[Algebra]] book, compared to at least 16 subjects listed on the TOC without an associated page. Even with a worst-case scenario, we are only merging page histories on 11 pages, and there is a possibility that many of these pages originated as forks and dont need to be merged like this. :I may have some time this afternoon to work on this project, god knows I've let it sit unfinished for long enough. After about 2pm EST I should be getting to work on it. Anybody who wants to join in the fun is more then welcome. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 13:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC) :Actually, I'm not going to do any work on this today. There appears to be some confusion over what precisely is going to happen. I had proposed that the [[Intermediate Algebra]] book be merged into the [[Algebra]] book. Apparently, one of the active editors of the [[Intermediate Algebra]] book has proposed precisely the opposite thing, and has nominated the [[Algebra]] book for deletion. We need to resolve this disagreement before we can start doing any work. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 13:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC) ::Fair enough. This is a complex enough task, and I feel hesitant to delete a "book of the month" winner, even if that quality has been passed up by another book on the same topic. Thanks. When the decision is resolved on the merger, or if the merger is called off, let me know. --[[User:Robert Horning|Rob Horning]] 00:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC) :::It's my opinion that the content and structure of the [[Intermediate Algebra]] book should likely be kept, but the whole book should be moved to the [[Algebra]] namespace. A simple name like "algebra" will be much easier for people to find in a search, and it reduces the inclination for people to draw arbitrary distinctions between algebra material that is "intermediate", "basic", or "advanced". If the authors of the book do decide to delineate material in this manner, they can do it internally to the book, and not create 3 or more books on the same subject. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 00:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC) == about Wikibooks navigation header and float bars == I have lost the post/thread about this subject. Does anyone know or can give me some input why the float bar states some projects that even if active should be stated on the header bar as they are not useful for "most" or all users, there is also a duplication of the Donations link and the header bar gives only information on the privacy policy and misses the opportunity to link to a pages that provides a general information of site policies and guidelines. (I remember that someone on the post stated that it would take some time for the update) [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Image:WikibooksNav.png#Summary see me (image)] Txs. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 02:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC) :Well i'm not entirely sure what you are talking about here. What skin are you using? different skins have links in different places, and i'm not entirely sure what links you are talking about. I only see one "Donations" link on my page, no duplicates. Also, the privacy policy is a pretty important thing, and we shouldnt remove any links to it. --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 13:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC) ::I have included an image (see above). The skin used is Classic. I tested all default skins, the Simple skin doesn't even have the Donations link, Cologne Blue has more or less the same problems as indicated on the Classic, the Chick, MonoBook and Nostalgia seem ok (no duplication). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] 17:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC) qyraf6cn0ws7l9teo80zq0hais6unsy 4 236320 4639414 1898095 2026-06-08T19:07:27Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639414 wikitext text/x-wiki == [[LaTeX]] == :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - I've worked on this one a little bit and over the past few months the amount of content has exploded. If more people knew LaTeX the prettier and more extensible all our documents would be. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 12:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - a very nice, readable, well-structured text! [[User:Webaware|Webaware]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Webaware|talk]]} 02:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' A useful guide. [[User:RobinH|RobinH]] 07:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' Very nice, something I might even consult from time to time. (besides, LaTeX to a wider audience is quite the pleasant thought) -- [[User:Kowey|Kowey]] 15:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] <small>([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) ([[User:Whiteknight/Proposed Books|projects]])</small> 16:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' Could may be do with a little simplification of language if this is intended for all users of the language but I agree that this is a great book. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 01:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - I've used this myself to look up some stuff, and I think I'll use it to learn LaTeX sometime in the future, as it'd be useful and it's an excellent resource to learn it. [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small>([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk]]) </small> 03:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC) [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] ([[User talk:Whiteknight|talk]]) 13:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC) kobasr745fv8ilfqoq5p9025jl4wk8u 4 236358 4639425 3817750 2026-06-08T19:29:11Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639425 wikitext text/x-wiki == [[Non-Programmer's Tutorial for Python 2.6]] == :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' Alot of this book is written in the first person, which threw me off at first. Then I remembered: This is wikibooks, and we encourage authors to present information in non-traditional ways. Even though the author speaks from a first-person perspective throughout, i feel that it's a very helpful book that ''is'' easily approachable for a new user. Many books claim to be "...for beginners", but this book actually delivers. I like it. --'''Whiteknight'''&nbsp;([[User:Whiteknight|Page]])&nbsp;([[User talk:Whiteknight|Talk]]) 01:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' Many books labelled for beginners simply aren't for beginners. This one is. Good on it. Regards, &mdash;[[User:Celestianpower|Cel<span style="color:green">es</span>tianpower]] ^{[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]} 21:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - Python is a language commonly used in introductory computer science classes and this could definitely be quite helpful for some visitors to the site. -[[User:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#000000">'''within'''</span>]][[User talk:Withinfocus|<span style="color:#7A7A7A">'''focus'''</span>]] 16:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - This is really good. I think it helps users in a nice step by step way. It really is for people first learning to program. -[[User:TBOL3]][[User talk:TBOL3|TBOL3]] 12:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' - I think the first-person helps, especially as it's targeted towards non-programmers. It's certainly easy to understand; it's been a long time since I've done any programming, and I've never dealt with Python, and I found it very easy to follow. Organizational structure could be revamped though. ''' &ndash; [[User:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>]]''' | ^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] '''Support''' as above [[User:Zginder|Zginder]] 20:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px]] '''Oppose''' I've no problem with the first person usage but this book's language confuses me. I also think we need to limit the number of techie books we advertise as 'featured'. Wikibooks has lots of these books already. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 19:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC) :[[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] '''Done''' Despite my own opposition, the community seems to agree that this should be a featured book. I'll make the changes if I can figure out how or someone can tell me how to add a book to the featured books list... [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 19:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC) pzwspu7o391rdx9uuzi0mgsy0azr1s7 4 236786 4639418 4622818 2026-06-08T19:18:45Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639418 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == These awful breaks == Everybody always writes conversations like this: Something here :Reply to Something here ::Reply to Reply to Something here :::Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here {{outdent|:::::::::}} Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here :::::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here ::::::::::Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Reply to Something here And on it goes. It gets kind of tiresome. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC) Why don't we take an idea from Google Wave, and only start a new level if we are replying to something in the middle of the conversation, and then go down like that. Then, {{hiddenh3|Instead of like this}} Arlen: Hello all : Someone: Arlen, it's "Hi all" :: Arlen: Of course, all in your way of looking at it :Someone: Hi, Arlen, what's up. ::Arlen: I have this problem {{hiddenh3|It would look like this}} Arlen: Hello all : Someone: Arlen, it's "Hi all" : Arlen: Of course, all in your way of looking at it Someone: Hi, Arlen, what's up. Arlen: I have this problem {{hiddenh3|How is that?}} Do you all like that idea? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC) <s>{{support}}</s> {{oppose}} [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :I'd sooner support [[mw:Extension:LiquidThreads|Extension:LiquidThreads]]. As a side note, I think you mean "these awful outdents". The breaks are due to sheer length (not helped by the above). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :Well, the indents are the trouble. The outdents are a symptom. Here is a prime example, under the old method I would have indented this reply one more than yours. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 16:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :Woe, LiquidThreads looks amazing! [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 16:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :I get what you mean now, yes I did mean indents and outdents, not breaks (or markers/pages/etc) [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 20:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC) I don't know, LiquidThreads seems weird to me... I just... don't like it. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 23:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC) At least you can customize it. Like nested vs flat, and so forth. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 00:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :LiquidThreads is in my experience great for social chatting, and unsuitable for serious discussion. For example, Wikinews is currently striking a good balance, I think, by using LiquidThreads for the "Have Your Say" pages about articles, but not for talk pages (where they use the usual highly effective indentation techniques). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 01:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :Well, we don't have comments pages on WB. Does that mean we can't strike a balance? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 04:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :I don't see anything at Wikibooks that I consider a good subject for LiquidThreads. (How and whether one applies the word "balance" to that is probably a distraction.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC) : I think we should have a smartcode for enabling it on a page. Soemthing like <nowiki>__LT__</nowiki> [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::LiquidThreads works by adding <nowiki>{{#useliquidthreads:1}}</nowiki> to a page. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 02:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :@Pi zero: I was just kidding. :) I agree, there is little we can do about liquids here. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC) == Wikibooks Barnstar equivalent == [[File:Missing barnstar.jpg|right|100px]] Wikipedia uses barnstars for awards and such like. What is our symbol on Wikibooks? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 12:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :Most of the pre-made images in [[commons:Category:Wikimedia user awards|Category:Wikimedia user awards]] are based off [[commons:Barnstar|barnstars]]. It'd be a lot of work to generate such a collection with a new symbol. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::So we might as well use barnstars then. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 12:34, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::Indeed. Though there might be some resistance similar to what I experienced when I began importing the most commonly used [[Wikibooks:Userboxes|Userboxes]]. Wikibooks is serious business. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::::I've proposed barnstars last year, but all it got was a comment from another user (IIRC it was Pi zero) saying that (s)he doesn't like the idea that much... If anyone is interested in importing barnstars here, it may be important to note that there is currently a proposal on ENWP regarding upgrading the barnstars to more cartoonish ones (some say they're cheap plastic; others say they're smooth and shiny). See [[w:WT:WPWPA]] (Last section). [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:54, 3 July 2010 (UTC) [[File:Wikibooks award.svg|right]] It doesn't take long to make something unique for Wikibooks when it was done already years ago: --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :Can you alter the W? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::It is SVG, and the positioning of the book is horrible. I am working on getting the correct angle from GMAX. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::If we're going to use some such device, I'd actually favor using barnstars as such. Customized, probably. Even Wikinews, where they are deeply suspicious, with some cause, of all things Wikipedian &mdash;they rarely even call it by name, using indirections like "The Other Place"&mdash; uses customized barnstars (e.g., [[:File:CopyeditorStar7.PNG|this]]); so it's very clear barnstars are not an idiosyncrasy of Wikipedian culture. I imagine us forging our own traditions about when to use them (promotion of a book to featured status springs to mind)<s>, and my guess is that generic barnstars would probably never catch on here</s>. :::The remarkably short proposal thread from last year that Kayau refers to is one that stuck in my mind; I worried for months after whether the doubts I'd expressed were any reason not to try it and see, and worried that the early death of the thread might have been due to a difference in how confident the participants were of their place in the Wikibooks community, rather than due to anything about the issues raised. (Okay, so I worry a lot.) My thinking has evolved since then, not least my perception of how much good a vibrant tradition of barnstars can do for the morale and interpersonal good will of a project, though the second paragraph of my post then still pretty much makes sense to me. That thread is archived [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archives/2009/August#Barnstar|here]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::: I've changed the angle/positioning of the book. I also changed the style to reflect Wikibooks' updated logo somewhat. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::: It does look better that way. The base seems a bit too sharply tilted toward the viewer. BTW, how does it reflect the updated logo (somewhat)? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::::: Unless I've remembered wrongly, it uses the same font and there is a dash of blue. The effect is suppose to be subtle. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::::: Subtle is good. :-) The blue does look the same. The font is different, though; WIKIBOOKS on the logo, now on the upper left corner of my screen, is sans serif. I also notice &mdash;though I can't decide whether this would be subtle or not&mdash; that the logo has WIKI in black and BOOKS in blue. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::: Actually, in the logo, WIKI is navy. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 21:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::: Changed the base and the font. Any better? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 10:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::::: I think it's looking quite neat. Seems like it might be possible to have two motifs of awards, medals and... what's a really good word for this? "Trophies"? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::;::::::: {{support|Applauding}} [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 00:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC) {{Comment}} Several of these threads have been rendered unreadable by redacting other people's comments to remove the indentation. It's an impressive demonstration of why lack of indentation is a terrible idea, but that doesn't need to be demonstrated further, and more to the point it's inappropriate to redact other people's comments. (I find having my comments systematically redacted deeply offensive, as a result of which I'm saddened to realize I can't afford to risk contributing to the content of this thread.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :I am sorry it is so hard on you, in this case LiquidThreads suddenly become much more needed. Now I know what one active contributor thinks about redacting, or rather, lack of indentation. I have always been trying to figure out a better way of conversation than we currently have, and this apparantly doesn't work. Anyone else have any thoughts on straight down the row conversation? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :Can you read it easier with these lines in between like this? Or what did you mean about it being unreadable? After all, conversations are supposed to go straight down a page. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::You're trying to turn it into the equivalent of an IRC chat, where you have to continually say @Person in order for others to know who you're replying to. With no indentation or nesting, they're just comments in the wind and you get confusion on serious subjects where people misinterpret comments that didn't apply to them. If someone wants to reply to a comment said earlier, they can't indent to make it apparent their statement was made out of the normal flow, as I've deliberately made this one. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :: Most discussion systems in the English language use some form of left intention to indicate who the target of a response is to. Even email uses multiple levels of ">" at the start of lines to quote the person that is the target of a response. LiquidThreads even uses left intention to make it easier to tell who the target of a response is. I have no idea if this is true for other languages, but this is English Wikibooks anyways. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC) : This thread points out some problems to my idea of having vertical, rather than indented, threads. Thanks everyone for convincing me. Now, back to the drawing board. ''Then, while my back was turned, they brought in this thing called LiquidThreads. I didn't know it, I designed a system, turned around and said "look at this". And there it was, already implemented.'' Well, I am not planning on doing that, but I think LiquidThreads will be great. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 18:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC) Sorry, but I'd prefer we stick to the topic (barnstars) here, and continue the discussion about LiquidThreads up there. As a regular of WP's WikiProject Wikipedia Awards, I'm quite convinced that 80% of WP's awards don't fit in WB, and given the fact that most people who are involved in the community also do all kinds of maintenance work as well as work on their own books (this is completely different in WP. In WP, some people stick to maintenance work, some to content creation, and some to reverting vandalism.) Therefore, lots of barnstars don't really apply here. And our difference from WN is that we aren't in a great big rush. So really, one barnstar or award is sufficient for WB, IMHO. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 01:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC) : I think since Wikibooks is book related that Wikibooks should follow the practice of giving out medals instead of barn stars. [http://grizzlymedia.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/national_book_award_medal.jpg National Book Award Medal] and [http://www.ala.org/ala/newspresscenter/mediapresscenter/presskits/youthmediaawards/Newbery%20Front%20A.jpg John Newbery Medal] to name two examples. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 02:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :: I agree that medals are a lot better. That is why I brought it up here, because barnstars just didn't quite do it. What medals do we have so far? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 02:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::: The one image I mentioned above is the only thing I know of that Wikibooks has had. I have called it a Golden Wiki when I've used it before, which is a subtle reference to Golden Tickets from [[w:Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (film)|Charley And The Chocolate Factory]]. When I originally created that image, I was thinking a bit more broadly, for example looking at various awards presented and broadcast on television, and fictional awards. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::::The name could use a tweak, since there's an award called the Golden W over at WP. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:14, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::::: I don't see the need to tweak the name nor the issue involved with continuing to call it the Golden Wiki. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC) :::::: Well, who wants to work on our first medal? Let's see what we come up with. We should also have a tireless medal (rotating) and an admin medal (with the broom and such). [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 11:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC) <div style="float:right;"> [[File:Grand WikiMedal for Janitorial Services.png|thumbnail|150px|right|not so good]] [[File:Medalian math.png|thumbnail|150px|right|wikipedia specific]] </div> ::::::: Wikimedia Commons has some that are used by Wikipedia too that I wouldn't call barn stars exactly. The quality of some aren't so good though, and others are too Wikipedia specific because they include Wikipedia in the name or used the Wikipedia puzzle. I think some could be modified for use by Wikibooks, but I think they should be made more general/generic like saying "Wikimedia Medal" or "Wiki Medal" instead, so they can reused across all wikimedia projects or across all websites that use a wiki. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC) If barnstars aren't "working out", please request deletion of [[Wikibooks:Barnstars]] and [[Template:The Original Barnstar]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC) : Yeah, ok. I won't be too quick to ask for deletion. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 22:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC) <div style="float:left;"> [[File:Wikibooks media proposal.svg|100px]] </div> I'm proposing a new one. (Glad I borrowed that Inkscape book from the library.) Feel free to be bold and tweak it. (Note: If you think I was talking about the tweak tool of Inkscape, then consult a doctor immediately. :D) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC) <div style="clear:left;"><br/></div> : Looks great. Now, do we need Gold, Silver, and Bronze? I doubt it. What medal shall it be first? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 22:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::I don't like having silver, bronze, and gold. It seems to imply that a user receiving gold is superior to one receiving silver or bronze. The only place where the 'gold', 'silver' and 'bronze' may apply is when there is a fixed criterion (such as WP's DYK.) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 06:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC) :::Yeah, I know what you mean. Also, I thing the medal should look like a real gold medal, even if silver and bronze aren't usable, though that is just my opinion. Then we can make service awards with it and what not. Remember that all pictures have a history, and if someone likes an older version for somthing, they can use the older version. Give you a way to hone your Inkscape skills. Cheers, [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 14:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC) ::::The distribution of letters WIKI around the perimeter doesn't work for me (notwithstanding that as pure abstract art it's quite elegant). It took me some moments to come up with a theory as to what the letters were supposed to be doing, and further time to reach a substantial level of confidence in the theory. However I try, I just can't ''see'' those letters as spelling WIKI; what always instantly leaps to my eye is two consecutive I's. It might be a matter of regional variations in idioms for representing writing &mdash; one could imagine that words proceeding linearly around the perimeter a disk would be a more common idiom in purely alphabetic writing traditions. Alternatively, it might be some subtle interaction with the direction of the lines in the graphic at the center. (Alas, so far I don't have a specific constructive counter-proposal, which is exactly why I've been hesitating to comment on this. What I really should do is get up to speed on Inkscape myself... as if there was any chance I'd find time for that this month.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC) I'd like to encourage people being motivated by this to learn Inkscape to contribute to [[Inkscape]]. Off topic I know, but felt it should be thrown in there. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC) : I'd be against any "barnstars" on Wikibooks. What's the use of them? Do people really need a virtual award to encourage them to edit? Seems like a waste of time just as it is on Wikipedia - just a way for people to show off.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 21:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC) ::Yes, in fact, many people aim for barnstars before they become serious editors, at WP. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:08, 9 July 2010 (UTC) == Voting == I have a question. Do we need unanimous support or just a majority when voting on something? Just cast your vote, discussion is discouraged. I am trying to figure out what the majority thinks, not to decide on what to do. The question is "Do we need unanimous support?" Vote in the appropriate section with <nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki>[[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 00:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC) :Voting on voting. Cute. But the question is flawed, because we don't vote. We determine consensus. Even when seeking consensus, not everyone will necessarily agree with the final determination, however. This thread will rub a sore spot with those not happy with the process above. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC) :: I, for my part, will do my best to stay in a good humor. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC) === Yes === === Neutral === === No === #Putting an entry here to create a paradox for those who might believe we need unanimous support to support unanimous support. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #Lol, I'll second the first and will try to subvert the paradox into a unanimous objection. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #Well, I may as well join the unanimous group since I see your points. I finally get the point. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 12:48, 8 July 2010 (UTC) # Does this vote require a clear majority? :) Voting has its disadvantages but it'd probably work better than this wiki consensus thing where those who shout the loudest or are more addicted to Wikibooks get their way. Consensus on Wikibooks and Wikipedia is just another way to ensure that the "elite" can pass the policies that they want without having to bother with other people's thoughts.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 21:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC) === Voting is evil === #[[meta:Polls are evil|Voting is evil.]] Imagine some dummy supporting a proposal through sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. Or both. Even if there are 100 empty supports and only 3 opposes with detailed explanation, lots of valid points etc, the proposal should not pass. At least, IMHO it should not. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 06:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #Kayau's wisdom exceeds his age, as usual. I don't think I could have explained it better myself. The concept of voting encourages various puppeting problems and [[w:Wikipedia:Canvassing#Inappropriate_notification|inappropriate canvasing]], and is discouraged by our guidelines. And my question would be unanimous support ''for what''? I don't think I have been part of one vote here that has had unanimous support for anything. Though I am sure someone will correct me. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #Unanimity and consensus aren't the same but can coexist, I presume consensus was select for the decision model because it is the only process that reduces the issue of the active minority, since the majority of the community will always remain in silence due to the volatility of the participation. The distinction is that unanimity requires all to state support, and consensus only requires that no one states objection, the implication on the requirements of participation in decisions becomes obvious, and why consensus is optimal for our volunteering setup. We can with great confidence state that a unanimous community decision is an impossibility and that every time community consensus is reached it will never reflect all the community, but permits giving special power to supposedly minority views in the form of a block. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #:Pi zero's RFA on [[WB:RFP|RFP]]. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 21:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC) (UTC) #::Ha HA! You've done it, I knew someone would contradict me and find a unanimous vote I was part of. Well done Xerol. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 22:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #:Do you mean that there can be no objections? This is not the commonly used form of consensus used on Wikibooks. Usually consensus means that there are no overwhelmingly significant objections to something, and the objections that are there are not the majority. If there is one support vote and a whole bunch of objections with weak reasons, then it would be blocked, of course, even if no one had a significant reason for objection. But two-thirds is the key principle in most consensus on Wikibooks, not the two-thirds fraction, but the two-thirds principle. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 18:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #::I don't participate on Wikipedia, but what you describe without taking in account the arguments is a decision by majority (the active majority), it also deals with the level of regard given to the opposition and if the opposition is willing to be productive. #::There can be blocking objections (objections that can't be accommodated in the discussion process). Since the system of decision is based on system of good reasons, by irrationality or without taking in consideration the responsibility of blocking a decision, that objection will lose value. If it doesn't gather more support or a compromise can't be reached, bypassing a block is extremely dangerous and all efforts should be made to avoid it. Consider a decision where only two participants interact, if consensus fails and a block continues to exist what is the outcome ? That is why a justifiable block should be respected and why numbers do count (in good faith a minority view has to consider that its position may be flawed since others don't agree with it). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC) #:::Comment - Pi zero's RfA was not a voting. As there are no opposes, there are no against points to address, so Mike ended it after a significant amount of time, by snowballing. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 09:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC) == A proposal about module names. == <s>Someone mentioned to me recently that did not care for the phrase "module" in describing the units of a book here. I would like to propose we change this to "page". As one usually thinks of books as consisting of Pages, sections, chapters, etc it would be be IMO intuitively pleasing to call our basic units of a book by the phrase "pages".</s> [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC) :It seems to me that "page" has a different and more general meaning. Consider {{nowrap|[[WB:MODULE|Help:What is a module]]}}. The term I've usually encountered, and used, for this is "content page". --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC) :I think model was picked at the time because people felt works could be broken up into units smaller than a traditional paper page. I tend to think that isn't particularly important though. "Wikibooks is not paper" and all that. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC) :The only problem with module is that it seems interchangeable and self contained, for instance when moving pages from Wikibooks to Wikibooks some special considerations have to be taken as each Wikibooks is an independent work. I don't think I ever used the word "module" to define any type of page on Wikibooks. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 16:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC) :I agree with Pi zero that page is not suitable for this purpose. Perhaps we can just leave things as they are. I don't think any confusion has arisen yet, but when it does arise we can deal with it then. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 01:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC) ::I'm not sure that Pi zero is saying that. He's said he's seen and used "content page", not "module". My interpretation is that the statement is that "module" is not suitable for this purpose. I don't see anything wrong with changing it to "content page". Take a look at this page, which has its tab labeled "project page". &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC) :::"Content page" also has some ambiguity, anything wrong with "book page" ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC) :::I've searched for "module" and only a few locations use the term, [[WB:MODULE|Help:What is a module]], some categories and some policy, proposal/drafts texts that mostly have a link to [[WB:MODULE|Help:What is a module]] some exceptions are [[Wikibooks:Be bold]], [[Wikibooks:Decision making]] guidelines, haven't checked them all. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC) :::: Here's a rather miscellaneous example of what the term looks like in the field, so to speak; this is from [[Serial Programming/Serial Java]]: ::::: This module discusses both ''JavaComm'' and ''RxTx''. :::: Despite the fact that I'm not fond of "module", I admit that it works better in this sentence than any of the two-word choices we've mentioned. :::: My understanding of the meaning we're looking for &mdash;based, ironically, on my understanding of the word "module", because I find I can't actually confirm or deny this from {{nowrap|[[WB:MODULE|Help:What is a module]]}}&mdash; is that these are the pages that contain the actual information content of a book, as opposed to the overhead pages such as contents, cover, print version, talk pages, and templates. :::: I'd like to find a term that works better than "module"; but the further into this we get, the more unsure I am that we're going to ''find'' a term that works better. Another one that I don't like: "article", which suggests too little continuity between content pages, as at Wikipedia or Wikinews. <s>(Oddly, "aritcle" is used once on {{nowrap|[[WB:MODULE|Help:What is a module]]}}.)</s> [Correction: it's used several times there, apparently in the technical sense borrowed from magic words such as <nowiki>{{ARTICLESPACE}}</nowiki>.] :::: I may consult thesauri, next. (Not tonight, though.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 03:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC) ::::: I don't think a single word can substitute to convey what is indeed a qualifier of a broader word "page", we could do well with the word page if we weren't in a WEB environment, this creates layers of second meaning that can't be addressed without a qualifier, books are made of pages creating artifacts or abstractions like "modules" and others (for instance in the books I work I often mention "sections" when providing a link to the middle of a chapter). ::::: A "module" implies modularity, that components may be separated and recombined, this doesn't reflect our "content pages", in that regard a Wikibook is a module of Wikibooks. ::::: Regarding "articles" at Wikipedia I don't see an issue, I get the meaning that it refers to an "encyclopedic article", not all Wikipedia "content pages" are "articles", they can be biographies. As for Wikinews I don't know I rarely been there but I think there "article" refers to "news article", in any case I accept that the projects put the "article" reference in the right context. But here "page" would continue to be ambiguous because of the WEB involvement. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC) It may be worthwhile to note that it may be a moot issue, in that the book pages are called "page" in the tab under the Vector skin. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC) :I have trouble keeping the names straight, is vector the "new look" that has been advertised for a while now? [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 17:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC) ::Yes it is. Assuming you've done nothing else, you're currently using Monobook. By the end of this month, the Wikimedia Foundation will make the default Vector for logged-out users, which is what you see at Commons/Wikipedia, and also change the selected skin of logged-in users (though you can always change it back at [[Special:Preferences]]). :Actually, the mainspace tab name in vector is based at [[MediaWiki:Vector-namespace-main]]. It is currently set to "Page", but it is completely modifiable. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 22:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC) == Software Books and software versions, Part 2 == :''This discussion has been moved to [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Projects#Software_Books_and_software_versions.2C_Part_2|Projects]] due to general acceptance.'' [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 10:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC) == Enforcing that our reading rooms are not reference desks == What about an editnotice to inform newbies that our readings rooms are not reference desks, as well as a friendly template to put in their talk pages and direct them to WP's reference desk? Thanks [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC) Hello? Anyone interested? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC) :It's like pulling teeth to get any participation, isn't it? It'd have to be linked with the "post a comment" button link. We don't have the automatic edit notices that Wikipedia has. If you put forth a statement you think would work and it sounds good, we can go ahead and link it from the button link. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC) ::Hey! There are quite a few very lengthy conversations going on at the moment. Keeping up with them takes some effort. I don't think (in this reading room) we are really pulling teeth to get participation :). Anyways I am not a fan of wikipedia's reference desk and don't find it particularly appropriate that we advertise them. The type of edits where people ask inappropriate questions happen rarely enough that it is not much work to undo them and point the people in the right direction by hand. Not to mention it gives the wikibooks a lot more personal touch. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC) :::Sorry Thenub, but I suspect that's a case of [[w:WP:IDL]]. *shrug*. Also, what does pulling teeth mean? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::: "[[wikt:pull teeth|To do something that is especially difficult or effortful.]]" I suppose another argument might be if Wikipedia's Reference Desk is advertised why stop there? Add Wikiversity's Help desk, and any other similar pages that other projects might have. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::::Dunno, but I think WV's help desk is a bit less popular... [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :::::Anyway, whether we promote RD or not, we should add that our reading rooms are not general reference desks and asking knowledge questions are not allowed here. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::I think it would be helpful to have some kind of RD just to direct people at books on particular subjects. Even with all the various filing systems we're using, it might just be better to point people at particular books if they're looking for a particular subject - sort of like a real library. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 11:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC) == [[Template:User book]] == I've created a template that takes as its one, unnamed parameter the title of any book, and produced a userbox &mdash;customizable on a per-book basis&mdash; like this: {{User book|Linear Algebra|nocat=1}} {{clr}} It also adds the user to a category. My idea is that if we could manage to nurture a widespread habit at Wikibooks of declaring interest in the books one contributes to, that would help users to recognize each others' interests, and help to promote local- and even intermediate-level community interaction. There are a bunch of unanswered questions about this, ranging from nuts and bolts to broad community organization. Some that come to mind: * Right now, the category it generates is&nbsp; <s>{{nowrap|<code>Category:Book users/''Book Title''</code>}}</s>&nbsp; {{nowrap|<code>Category:''Book Title''/Users</code>}}&nbsp;, such as&nbsp; <s>{{nowrap|<code>Category:Book users/Linear Algebra</code>}}</s>&nbsp; {{nowrap|<code>Category:Linear Algebra/Users</code>}}&nbsp;. I was thinking of wiring {{tl|BookCat}} so that it would make these categories subcategories of the book categories (similarly to what it now does for book-specific template categories), but I'm not really sure whether I've chosen the right name for the categories, nor whether they should belong to the book categories. * I'd like to generalize the facility to handle units larger than a single book, and to handle Cookbook in some useful way; but I really haven't got a clue how best to go about it. To start with, what units (other than books) does one want to be able to specify? * Once we've got the template the way we like it, what can we do to encourage people to use it, so that over time it comes to be widespread enough to get a [[w:Network effect|network effect]] going? BTW, with reference to a remark Kayau made on an earlier thread about the number of discussions here &mdash; that may be an advantage of this name for a reading room, that it encourages more discussion of what to do to improve things, which is great. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :I'd prefer the adding people to the book's category, say, of the form <tt>Book/Users</tt>. The base category above, <tt>Category:User book</tt> doesn't really represent what would be contained inside it. It sounds like an alternative to [[:Category:Collections]] for breaking out books saved in a user's space. I don't know if it'd be simpler to use a system like {{tl|subject box}} where settings can be specified as a subpages of the parent template and then all they have to do it specify a parameter when using. That's also how {{tl|user language}} and {{tl|programming language}} work. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::Typo on my part: it's <code>Category:Book users/''Title''</code>. (I corrected it above.) I'm not sure whether you'd think that answers your criticism, though. If we go with <code>Category:''Title''/Users</code>, then there will have to be a means provided to override that choice of category name on a per-book basis (which should be technically possible, I think), so that if we ever do have a book with deep filing and a section called '''Users''', there will be a way of dealing with it already in place. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 22:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :::I also prefer Adrignola's version. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC) ::::I've rewired the code to generate category <code>Category:Title/Users</code>, with a mechanism to override that with some other category name on a per-book basis. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 19:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC) == Renaming Renaming == Would anyone have a dire objection to mmoving [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Renaming]] to [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Renaming]]? It'd be to shorten the names of the archive listing when using PrefixIndex. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :Go ahead, [[w:WP:JFII|JFII]], nothing wrong with that (as opposed to widening the scopr of feature requests page and moving general discussions to the new proposals page, because this time it's just a move.) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC) ::I'll just ask, since the question is coming up, whether we'd want to call it {{nowrap|<code>Wikibooks:Reading room/Renaming Assistance</code>}}, since without the word on the end it would be the only one of the assistance reading rooms without the word "assistance" in its title. It would still be shorter than it is now, and have fewer slashes in it. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 11:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :::Might be even better to have all the pages as RR/Assistance/___ with RR/Assistance describing all of the subpages to direct users to the right place. Could even be linked from the sidebar as "Get help" or similar. [[User:Xerol|Xerol Oplan]] ([[User talk:Xerol|talk]]) 12:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC) ::::That would seem to be more involved. It was even proposed to not have a general assistance room. So now we have three potential destinations, other than its current location. Anyone else care to provide input? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]] ([[User talk:Adrignola|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adrignola|contribs]]) 19:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> :::::There are only 2 implications in the change, the navigational one (since this isn't a book a navigational aid can easily fix that) the other one it the logic organization, since renames is an administrative action it should be related to the administrative Assistance in some way, I don't know today what the movement is on the rename page, do we need a special page for that ? :::::I understood the split of the previous structure, now we are adding the proposals page, we should make an effort to keep the number low and the structure stable, alterations are highly disruptive in this types of pages, a user that is absent should come back and have the expectation of this pages showing on the watch-list. I don't have a special opinion on the subject, just that this pages should be few and stable. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :::::: It's my understanding that when a page one someone's watchlist is moved, the old and new names both end up on their watchlist. If I'm right about that, not only does it mean that renaming needn't cause watchlist problems, but it also means that a split could be arranged not to cause watchlist problems either: When splitting page A into pages A and B, first move A to B (so putting both onto the watchlist of anyone who had been watching A), and then split some of the content from B back to A. Alternatively, if the split was originally done by cut-and-paste from A to B, after the fact one could move B to C, move A to B (deleting a redirect to make room), then move B to A, and move C to B (deleting a redirect to make room). Which should leave A and B both on the watchlists of anyone who was watching A ''or'' B before. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::: If so than the problem is reduced (but does not cover splitting pages). I would like someone that knows to confirm that? and if that was always so? My understanding was different (mostly on editing a book I sometimes find pages that I don't have a watch and I original was the creator), this is especially annoying to me because of the different talk pages. I was going to perform a test but since I can't clean up after myself, any info would be appreciated. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|:::::::}} I've been watching all the reading rooms. If I go to view and edit my watchlist in [[Special:Watchlist]], I have the Proposals reading room ''and'' its old location at Feature requests on my watchlist. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :That was expected since you where the one that performed the split and no other move occurred (note that it depends on the default setting on page creation or the intentional action to start monitoring the new page). What Pi zero said is that after a page move all Wikibookians watching the original page will get the new page added to the watch-list (the A and B example above). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC) :: In my experience what Pi zero said about the watchlist is true, and has been for many years. Is that the confirmation you are after? If you want pages you edit or create to be automatically added to your watchlist by default you need to look at your watchlist preferences. There are preferences of the form "Add pages I (edit|move|create|review) to my watchlist". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC) ::: I've also just confirmed it by experiment, using {{nowrap|Pi zero}} and another (legacy) account that has no privileges beyond autoconfirmation. As {{nowrap|Pi zero}} I created {{nowrap|[[User:Pi zero/A]]}}, and put that on the watchlist of the other account. Then as {{nowrap|Pi zero}} I moved {{nowrap|[[User:Pi zero/A]]}} to {{nowrap|[[User:Pi zero/B]]}}, and that resulted in ''both'' pages being on the watchlist of the other account. I tried a few variations on the test, and got the same result each time: the watching account ended up watching both the old name and the new name. :::As I remarked earlier, this ''can'' be used to split a page into two in such a way that anyone who had been watching the original page will end up watching both pages after the split. We could, for example, use this technique to add the new Proposals reading room to the watchlist of anyone who is now watching the General reading room but wasn't watching Feature requests. (Once we've done it, though, there's no way for us to undo the additions to people's watchlists.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 23:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Well, this enables further possibilities should anyone be so brave as to put them forward. It certainly means that Xerol's idea wouldn't be a problem for people watching the pages. I don't know that anyone should worry too much about this room; only '''two''' people really need to watch it. I'm tempted to go with Pi zero's suggestion, as it won't involve renaming a ton of subpages in the form of archives and would leave other rooms alone. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC) :::::It's occurred to me that the way the page is used and structured, it belongs more with the requests pages than the assistance pages. Therefore, I'm thinking now that "Wikibooks:Requests for rename" or "Wikibooks:Requests for renaming" would be more appropriate. The former matches up with the verb in "Requests for import" while the latter matches up with the current name's verb. Which sounds better? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::I think it works better as "renaming" (rather than "rename"). (RFI is fine as-is, since "import" is routinely used as a noun.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::I completely agree with Pi zero. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC) == Reconfigure Wikibooks == {| class="wikitable collapsible" style="float:right; text-align:left; width:450px;" ! Proposal code |- |<pre style="border:none; padding:0px;"> ############## Flaggedrevs.php ############### // Sets the recent version as shown $wgFlaggedRevsOverride = false; // Main, Template, File, Cookbook, Wikijunior $wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces = array( NS_MAIN, NS_FILE, NS_TEMPLATE, 102, 110); // Three levels: minimal (checked), average (quality) // good (pristine) $wgFlaggedRevTags = array( 'quality' => array('levels' => 3, 'quality' => 2, 'pristine' => 3) ); $wgSimpleFlaggedRevsUI = false; // unchanged $wgFlaggedRevComments = false; // Edit intervals dropped from 10 to 8; RC edits from 10 to 5; uniqueIP false $wgFlaggedRevsAutopromote = array( 'days' => 30, # days since registration 'edits' => 100, # total edit count 'excludeDeleted' => true, # exclude deleted edits from 'edits' count above? 'spacing' => 2, # spacing of edit intervals 'benchmarks' => 8, # how many edit intervals are needed? 'recentContentEdits' => 5, # $wgContentNamespaces edits in recent changes 'totalContentEdits' => 50, # $wgContentNamespaces edits 'uniqueContentPages' => 10, # $wgContentNamespaces unique pages edited 'editComments' => 50, # how many edit comments used? 'email' => true, # user must be emailconfirmed? 'userpage' => false, # user must have a userpage? 'uniqueIPAddress' => false, # If $wgPutIPinRC is true, users sharing IPs won't be promoted 'neverBlocked' => true, # Can users that were blocked be promoted? ) + $wgFlaggedRevsAutopromote; $wgGroupPermissions['editor']['rollback'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['review'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['stablesettings'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['validate'] = true; // Restrict viewing of edit filter settings/logs to autoconfirmed users // to discourage lazy vandals from gaming the system $wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-view'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-log'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['abusefilter-view'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['abusefilter-log'] = true; // Remove 'reviewer' group // (Rename editor to "reviewer" in interface) unset($wgGroupPermissions['reviewer']); // Remove distinction between unused 'importer' group // and rename 'transwiki importer' to 'importer unset($wgGroupPermissions['importupload']); // Namespaces for reader feedback $wgFeedbackNamespaces = array(NS_MAIN, 102, 110); // Calculate rating based on past 180 days $wgFeedbackAge = 180 * 24 * 3600; // 5 ratings are needed before average calculated $wgFeedbackSizeThreshhold = 5; ############# InitialiseSettings.php ################ 'wmgUseReaderFeedback' => array( 'enwikibooks' => true ) 'wmgUseAbuseFilter' => array( 'enwikibooks' => true,) $wgAbuseFilterAvailableActions = array( 'flag', 'throttle', 'warn', 'disallow', 'blockautopromote', 'tag') // Wikibooks has 3 content namespaces $wgContentNamespaces = array(NS_MAIN, 102, 110); // Eliminate rollback group and patroller group // Rollback no different than reviewer // Page patrol replaced by flagged revisions 'groupOverrides' => array( enwikibooks' => array( # 'rollbacker' => array( 'rollback' => true ), # 'patroller' => array( 'patrol' => true, 'autopatrol' => true), 'flood' => array( 'bot' => true ), 'uploader' => array( 'upload' => true, 'reupload' => true), 'autoconfirmed' => array( 'upload' => false, 'reupload' => false), ) ) // Remove rollback/patrol groups from grant list; add transwiki importer 'wgAddGroups' => array( '+enwikibooks' => array( # 'sysop' => array('rollbacker', 'patroller', 'uploader'), 'sysop' => array('transwiki', 'uploader'), 'bureaucrat' => array('flood'), ) ) // Remove rollback/patrol groups from remove list; add transwiki importer 'wgRemoveGroups' => array( '+enwikibooks' => array( # 'sysop' => array('rollbacker', 'patroller', 'ipblock-exempt', 'uploader'), 'sysop' => array('ipblock-exempt', 'transwiki', 'uploader'), ) ) </pre> |} {| class="wikitable" style="clear:right; float:right; text-align:left; width:450px;" ! Summary of above |- | * Anonymous/Unregistered users see the current revision instead of the latest reviewed revision, except when overridden by administrators. * New pages created by reviewers are reviewed by default. * Use three levels other than unreviewed, rather than the current four (minimal, average, good). * Review form no longer has a comment box. * Administrators can set pages show the most recent excellent revision for Anonymous/Unregistered users. * FlaggedRevs becomes ignorable, except where contributors decide to opt into it, like Wikijunior. * Auto promotion to reviewer requires at least 8 edits each 2 days apart, instead of 10 edits each 2 days apart. * Auto promotion check requires 5 edits in recent changes at time of check, instead of 10. * People sharing the same IP address can now be auto promoted. * Reviewers can undo a series of changes using rollback. * Rollback, Patroller, and Editor groups are removed to avoid confusion. * Everything else about FlaggedRevs remains the same. * Reader feedback will be enabled for pages in the main space, the cookbook, and Wikijunior. * Anyone can provide reader feedback at five levels for reliability, completeness, neutrality, and presentation. * Reader feedback for pages will be based on input received over the past 180 days. * A page's overall reader feedback rating will not be shown until at least 5 people have rated the page. * Count pages in the main space, cookbook, and Wikijunior namespaces as content pages, instead of just the main space. As a side effect more edits will count towards auto promotion for reviewers, auto confirmed will likely happen sooner, and statistics will be more accurate. * Administrators can add and remove people to the "importer" groups. * Bureaucrats can add people to the "pseudo-bot" group * Enable edit filter extension to deal with and flag clear-cut vandalism. * Edit filters and actions can be adjusted by administrators, but the ability to block a user or remove a user from a group will be disabled. |} The [[MediaWiki:Revreview-editnotice]] interface text is shown to non-editors trying to edit pages with reviewed revisions and lends credence to those worried that the system discourages participation. The call to remove the [unreviewed] markers in recent changes in the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/Technical_Assistance&oldid=1854219#Turn_off_.22unreviewed.22_markers_for_a_specific_wikibook.3F technical assistance reading room] was just a symptom of the larger problem&mdash;only 21% of main space pages are reviewed according to [[Special:ValidationStatistics]]. In the same page linked above for the technical reading room, Jomegat suggests only three levels, including unreviewed. That makes sense to me. Visit http://en.labs.wikimedia.org to see what it could look like (with an old database of our content, even). Editors would see: [[:File:Wikibooks editor.png]] Reviewers would see: [[:File:Wikibooks reviewer.png]] Examining our [http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt configuration], we should remove <tt>$wgFlaggedRevValues = 4;</tt>, change to <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTags = array('quality' => 2);</tt> and change to <tt>$wgFlagRestrictions = array('quality' => array('review' => 1, 'autoreview' => 1) );</tt>, This would give us what you see at labs, but with "quality" instead of "accuracy". The labels "sighted" and "good" are able to be modified by the MediaWiki namespace interface text. Additionally, we're migrating files to Commons, so there's no need for it to remain on for that namespace. <s>In fact, I'd propose only having it on for Wikijunior with <tt>$wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces = array(110);</tt>.</s> I also suggest <tt>$wgFlaggedRevsComments = false;</tt> to remove the comment box as I don't believe anyone takes the time to add in a comment when they sight. Additionally, I should note that though<tt>$wgFlaggedRevTabs = false;</tt>, I still see the "latest draft" tab on an outdated page. Finally, to correctly implement autopromotion regardless of namespaces applied, <tt>$wgContentNamespaces = 0, 102, 110;</tt> should be set to have edits to the Cookbook and especially Wikijunior count. The CSS coloring the boxes wouldn't be needed because we'd be using a check box/radio buttons. <s>The CSS hiding [unreviewed] wouldn't be needed because it'd only be Wikijunior pages showing it until reviewed. Main space pages would revert to patrolling using the same <span style="color:red">!</span> that we've seen already. And flagged revisions wouldn't be pointed to as a reason for declining participation and wouldn't be a cause of it.</s> <!-- comment out to avoid confusion; see box to right Summary of proposal: *<s>Flagged revisions on for Wikijunior only (likely subject to most debate)</s> *Three levels other than unreviewed for one criteria, top level accessible to admins only *No comment box (takes up less space, unused) *Include Cookbook/Wikijunior edits in autopromotion *Remove <tt>reviewers</tt> group and rename <tt>editors</tt> group to "reviewers" in interface to avoid confusion (anyone can edit) --> '''I've revised the above since first posting'''. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :{{question}} My experiments so far have not confirmed your claim that that notice is displayed when a non-editor is logged in. If I'm not logged in at all and edit a sighted page, I do see that notice plus the warning that I'm not logged in; but if I edit the same page while logged in on an account without the edit bit, I don't see the notice. Under what circumstances do you claim I would see the notice? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 03:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::This is one techy proposal, though looking at the summary, I think it has my '''support'''. Pi zero, I have seen this message while testing on flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:12, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::I tested this editing logged-out. By definition an unregistered user would be a non-editor. An autoconfirmed user doesn't get any additional rights beyond an unregistered one with respect to flagged revisions. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC) I've said before that $wgContentNamespaces needed to be changed to include the Cookbook and Wikijunior, so I agree there. I can also agree with one criteria "quality". I can also agree with turning commenting off. However I think editors should still be able to continue to rate all levels as before, otherwise more work is placed on Reviewers. I also think we should continue to have autoreview turned off because that was a source of problems before. I also think that flaggedrevs should continue to be done for the main, cookbook, and wikijunior namespaces. We should try to see if simplifying the criteria to "quality" is enough first before talking about removing it from the main and cookbook namespaces. I would also like to propose $wgFlaggedRevsLowProfile = true; if its not already set. I would also like to propose as part of these changes that we enable the [[mw:Extension:ReaderFeedback|ReaderFeedback Extension]] like English Wikinews has and have $wgFeedbackNamespaces set to the main, cookbook, and wikijunior namespaces too. My rational is to see whether more pages will be rated if anyone can do so, and if the information it provides would be more useful overall than flaggedrevs for contributors, and what is learned from that might help future proposed changes to flaggerevs. So what do you say? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 08:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :Sorry, but what is that in plain English? What will be the changes? I don't know a thing about this posh MediaWiki code thingies... [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 10:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::* Flagged revisions continue to be on for the same namespaces. ::* Three levels other than unreviewed. Editors can mark revisions as acceptable, good, and excellent. No need for reviewers. ::* No comment box ::* Include Cookbook/Wikijunior in autopromote to editor ::* Make flagged revisions keep a low profile ::* Use ReaderFeedback Extension so readers can provide additional feedback for pages in the main, cookbook, and wikijunior namespaces. :: Is that better? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :I thought of using {{nowrap|<tt>$wgFlaggedRevsLowProfile {{=}} true;</tt>}} but that makes the review box disappear for reviewed pages, which will keep reviewers from rating the page to a higher level if it's been rated to a lower level by an editor. I don't know why you say editors should be able to continue to rate all levels; they currently can't rate to the highest level, which we've termed "featured quality". Only reviewers can rate to that. Most editors just hit the "submit" button to sight a page and so the two levels above the base level go unused. The highest level for reviewers-only allows highly visible pages to be changed to show the highest level to logged-out users rather than any level, and to have admins/reviewers examine the page. Otherwise anyone autopromoted to editor can rate to that highest level. And since November 14, 2008^{[[m:Flagged_Revisions#Flagged_Revisions_on_Wikimedia_projects|*]]}, we only have 1/5 of the main pages sighted (compare to 99% for 1mil+ pages at German Wikpedia [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Markierungsstatistik]), leaving the other 80% to standard page patrol. Simplifying the criteria to "quality" with two levels makes it more convenient for people using the system, where it's used, but it appears to me that it's not caught on for the main space. If you want to keep it for the Wikijunior, Cookbook, and even templates, I'm okay with that. I'd like to keep reader feedback as a separate issue, at this time. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :: Well if keeping a low profile is a problem, I can agree not to do that than. I mean editors should continue to be able to rate all the levels they could before. I guess we could give editors two choices besides unreviewed: acceptable and good, and let reviewers have the third choice excellent, but the idea is to remove the need to have both editors and reviewers. I wish we could autopromote people to reviewers instead and get rid of the idea of editors since people confuse the two anyways. FlaggedRevs was suppose to be opt-in for each book after the last time we made changes, and I think we need to do a better job of that being the case by discouraging people from sighting revisions in a book unless they want both the benefits and hassles that come with using FlaggedRevs. There is no reason or need to go overboard with sighting revisions for all pages in all books. Even when regular patrol was used people didn't stay on top of it and it was mostly an ignored feature. I see no issue with ignoring FlaggedRevs too except when its wanted for individual books. I think we need to have reader feedback as part of this issue, because it can compliment FlaggedRevs and perhaps help us find a middle ground for reviews and gaining the feedback that people are after. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::In all truth, I didn't expect a lot of support for turning it off for main space (though you're the only objector at this stage). But I'd want it turned off for files, since they're being exported. If you look at Wikipedia's configuration, they remove the editors group and only have reviewers. But could we set it for autopromotion on reviewers? Or maybe we should turn off <tt>reviewers</tt> and assign their permissions to <tt>editors</tt>, then rename "editors" in the interface to "reviewers". We also need to set $wgFlaggedRevTags such that the top level is "pristine", the second-from-top is "quality", and leaving the base as "sighted" if we use three levels rather than two beyond unreviewed. For others looking to decipher this, see [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and [http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:25, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::::Turn off for files? Maybe I'm missing something. The single biggest vulnerability of Wikijunior to vandalism is that it's got lots of images in it that aren't local and therefore aren't subject to flaggedrevs. I've suggested before, and have been mulling over suggesting again, that we make local copies of ''all images on Wikijunior'', just so we can review them all and have them covered by flaggedrevs. ::::BTW, nobody has answered my question as to under what circumstances that notice appears, that you started by objecting to. That seems to me to matter a lot, because as far as I can see it would be trivially easy to simply suppress the message &mdash;just one example of simple measures that could be taken to completely eradicate various drawbacks of flaggedrevs&mdash; but I wouldn't want to suppress it without knowing what situations would be affected by the suppression. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: I wonder how or even if flaggedrevs works for files from Wikimedia Commons. If it works like locally uploaded files, I think it should continue to apply to the Files namespace too. If it work differently from locally uploaded files, I wonder what the difference(s) is/are. If files from Wikimedia Commons are ignored than there really is no point to keeping it enabled for the Files namespace. Another possible consideration is if is Wikimedia Commons has or plans to use flaggedrevs for their files and if so would sight revisions of files be used across projects over unsighted revisions? I think having some answers would allow us to make better decisions for the files namespace. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::: Assigning reviewer permissions to the editor flag and renaming editor in the interface to reviewer sounds like it could work. I also like the sound of being able to keep the three meaningful levels that flagedrevs has sighted, quality and pristine which is why I suggested three levels to begin with. Only since we are dealing with "quality" as a rating criteria they would refer to acceptable quality, good quality, and excellent quality respectively. Although maybe average quality might make more sense than acceptable quality. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Wikinews found they were only using the editor bit, and they thought calling it "editor" was confusing anyway, so they renamed "reviewer" to "super-reviewer", renamed "editor" to "reviewer", and then deprecated super-reviewer. How does this suggestion compare/contrast to that? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: Sounds like we would be doing the same thing as Wikinews, while skipping some steps to get there. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC) === Page sighting === {{question}} I seem to recall being told in some earlier discussion that admins can switch between showing the most recent sighted version and showing the most recent version whether it's sighted or not. Is that correct (and if so, what's the handle for it &mdash; and is it per page or per book)? The reason I'm asking now is that this seems to me to be a possible key element for counter-proposals. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC) : Yes that is correct, that is changeable per page because like most extensions it wasn't designed with books in mind. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::If we could have anything we wanted, it seems to me we would want the ''default'' behavior to be that on Wikijunior, files, and templates, the most recent sighted version is shown, while on mainspace and cookbook the most recent version is shown regardless of whether it's sighted. Assuming we can't have that, the next best choice would seem to be that the most recent version is shown by default, and we manually set all the Wikijunior pages to show the most recent sighted version (a largish job, but nothing compared to the other way around that would require manually reconfiguring every page on mainspace and cookbook). Indeed, once that was in place we might want to turn back on $wgFlaggedRevsAutoReviewNew. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::At least for the latter, {{nowrap|<tt>$wgFlaggedRevsOverride {{=}} false</tt>}} would be the option to use. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 17:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC) === Auto review === I'm curious about a recent addition Darklama added. You want to turn off autoreview for sysops but not anyone else? Why would feedback be enabled for templates? Why are editors getting rollback? Also, removing <tt>validate</tt> from sysops means they won't be able to review at the top level, or so I was led to believe. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :: I thought autoreview would be turned off already for everyone else. Templates are used on pages, feedback on their usefulness could be useful. I noticed that often if someone makes a request for the editor flag they also often ask for rollback, and Wikinews give rollback to editors, since we are cutting steps I thought it would be a good idea to do that here as well. Wikinews doesn't have validate on for its configuration and the only proposed difference between us and them is what we want to call this one criteria. I think: ::* $wgFlagRestrictions = array( 'quality' => array('review' => 2, 'autoreview' => 2), ); ::* $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['review'] = true; :: makes the top level accessible to sysops. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::If I edit a sighted revision I want my edit to be sighted too, automatically. Wikinews specifically wanted that off for editors/reviewers and sysops to have others sight the edit as part of some double-check; we don't have the manpower for that. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::Without validate, you can't limit the top level to sysops. Without review added to sysops, admins will not be automatically reviewers; they will have to specifically members of that group. The FlagRestrictions will depend on the levels and whether any is limited to a group with "validate". &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::: Fine, so add validate back. Been over this point before and the need for separate privileges continues to make no sense to me. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}It's not essential, but if we don't use it, then we don't need FlagRestrictions, only FlagRevTags. And if we don't restrict the top level, then we probably don't need so many review levels. After all, how many people will then care if it's at excellent versus good if you can't change the settings to show excellent, then good. It'd just be limited to showing most recent (default with above code) or stable (changed by admins for Wikijunior). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC) === Content Namespaces === What became of the&nbsp; {{nowrap|<tt>$wgContentNamespaces {{=}} NS_MAIN, 102, 110;</tt>}}&nbsp; suggestion? It was in the original proposal, I see darklama expressed approval of it... and I don't see it in the current draft. Did it get lost in the shuffle? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:07, 26 June 2010 (UTC) : Looks that way. I added it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC) === Files === Broadly I'm happy with the current proposal. On the file namespace, it might be useful to have FlaggedRevs on as I have, for example, used it to indicate for FU images that the rationale had been checked and was complete. We will always have some files hosted here. Don't turn it off for the Cookbook, not after I spent two months reviewing the whole thing ;-) [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 21:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :I didn't add that line to the box because it will go into [http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt another configuration file] other than the [http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php.txt one linked above]. But we can have it there as a reminder. Along that line, I suggest that feedback namespaces match up with content namespaces. Templates aren't supposed to be seen directly, so readers shouldn't be visiting them to provide feedback. Additionally, how would one rate a template on reliability, completeness, neutrality, and presentation... &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 21:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :: I think you meant this as a rhetorical question, but I decided I would answer anyways. A template is reliable if it works as documented. A template is complete if people feel there is no missing functionality. A template is neutral if it can be used in many contexts. A template's presentation can be judged many ways like is the style good, is the appearance pleasing to the eyes, does the template convey its information in a meaningful and useful way? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::That's an interesting analysis, but it seems to me that the templates that would have enough content to possibly be non-neutral are likely going to be book-specific anyways, and the ones that don't have enough content to be anything but neutral are going to be as interesting as, say, {{tl|BookCat}}. === Problems switching to single criteria === A thought occurred to me just now, however, in that we should maybe use <tt>accuracy</tt> for <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTags</tt> internally and change the display of it in the interface to "quality", as I'm worried that if we change all the internal values all the currently sighted pages will be reset to unsighted. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:25, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :: They would likely need to be reset anyways going from 3 criteria to 1. Which might be one consideration against switching from 3 to 1. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:12, 26 June 2010 (UTC) ::: The two removed would just leave additional values in the database that would no longer be used. I think going to one criterion, with the internal label of that the same as one of the criteria used before, will work out. And that should change it to radio buttons instead of drop down menus. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::: Depends on how the values are stored in the database. The result could correspond to composition rather than accuracy, if order matter. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Checking out the [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AdvancedReviewLog&namespace=0&level=-1&user=&status=1&automatic=0 review log] for manual reviews, it would appear that the majority of them are using the default values selected in the drop-down menus; that is, the lowest rating that reviews the page. In other cases where the rating is higher, all the menus are set to the same numerical value. Thus whether the value that gets assigned to quality had been originally assigned to accuracy, composition, or coverage ought to not matter in the vast majority of cases. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: If order is what determines it and not the name, than we should be fine using "quality" internally. I guess we should look into the table structure for flaggedrevs. It might also be possible to reassign them to quality if its by name. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: Looking at the SQL, looks like it stores tag:value pairs. Which means for any given revision there might be "composition:1\naccuracy:1\ncoverage:1\n". I think a SQL command could be created and ran to replace all occurrences with "quality:#". --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC) === Test Trial === I've been flowing this discussion and as expected and as I always claim in this topic. Things are being done in reverse. The flagged revision was (and still is) a test trial, that was what was proposed and adopted, it has been continuously tweaked with or without consensus especially in the first months. It has failed satisfy all the requirements it was meant to address (except the reduction of vandalism) and even the proponent of the test of system has expressed the wish to see it terminated. The experience I have on the subject is as a user and is commonsense, the more complex or nonstanrd a system is, the less I want to use it. Unless I'm obligated or get a sufficient reward for going trough all the loops and the learning curve. In a volunteering basis this seems simple enough to be categorized as a barrier for participation. Empirically I also noted a decrease in contributions especially from unregistered users and a reduction of vandalism (bear in mind that vandalism edits have always been low and under control here). The system adoption has also some added controversy. Most of the defendants of the new system are the ones that are directly benefiting from it. If a real benefit exists. Consistent editors and mostly users in administrative tasks, are in general terms a minority of the community, but the active majority. With the system on, consistent editors get a level of power over revisions this is especially interesting to people dedicated to a specific tasks but it also alienates newcomers. Another clearly obvious issue is that the system is not designed for our (project) it was designed for Wikipedia (this has several implications and consideration some of the changes needed were already covered before and Darklama enumerated very interesting concepts on that regard). There are other implications, even the recent decline in administrators can be correlated with the evaporation of the page patrol system, as most of the admins did came from Wikibookians participating on those types of tasks... In regards to the proposed changes I wish that any change, if to keep the "new" system, has a low impact and preserves the works already put into it (I did spend considerable time reviewing and categorizing pages). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC) : You've stated this before, but after doing a thorough read of the talk on [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension]] and through reading room archives prior to the date of implementation, I cannot find anything saying it was temporary. From the amount of discussion, I might say it was implemented without much actual discussion, but I don't see anything on a trial period. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :: I think I might know what Panic is talking about. There was some discussion about the FlaggedRevs extension on IRC prior to discussion on wiki. Panic and I both voiced concerns about its use, and some other people suggested that the extension could always be disabled later if it turns out the extension isn't as useful as hoped. After that it was mostly just agreeing to have some initial configuration that could always be changed later too. I had also voiced the opinion on IRC that Wikibooks would be better off in the long run using something else. All that might be where Panic is coming from with the idea that the extension was meant to be a temporary setup maybe. However I refuse to get dragged into an argument on whether the idea of FlaggedRevs being temporary was ever the case or because of differences in interpretation of past events, anyone involved could of left that discussion with a different idea of what was to happen. In any case "temporary" is ambiguous and could be a long time for a wiki and with time new people can have different plans for something initially planned to be "temporary" and a new consensus can develop which has happened already several times with FlaggedRevs. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 04:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC) === Document Changes in English === I understand most of the stuff in the proposal, but not all of it... can someone translate that into plain English too? (I don't think I have the ability to read through this long discussion...) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 02:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :I've added a summary in plain English just underneath the code that has been hammered out so far. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 04:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC) I've added additional configuration options for reader feedback; namely, to increase the length of time ratings of a page are valid for. The default is a week. That's too short for our level of activity, so I set it to 60 days. It could be increased further. I also decreased the threshold of reviews for an average rating to be determined, from 15 to 10. That could be decreased further. Both of these are not firm, but I don't believe the default values would be acceptable for Wikibooks. Also, we need to determine if the default to have anonymous users be able to rate is acceptable. Additionally, do we want the default rating options and how much weight do we give each of them? The default is <tt>$wgFeedbackTags = array('reliability' => 3,'completeness' => 2,'npov' => 2,'presentation' => 1);</tt>, with a higher number giving that criterion greater weight. Do we want fewer/different criteria or different weights? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 04:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC) : Yes I think anonymous users should be able to rate pages, that is the whole point in enabling it most readers are going to be anonymous. Unlike FlaggedRevs, ReaderFeedback just provides information that lets contributors know how well they are doing, it doesn't effect what people are shown. I thought about proposing <tt>$wgFeedbackTags = array( 'quality' => 1 );</tt> but with tags being weighted I dunno what sort of effect a single tag would have on that extension. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 05:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC) * I believe that 60 days is a bit short - most of our pages are not particularly popular. Extend that to 180? * I believe 10 reviews is a bit too high - perhaps 5? Other than these two I see no objection to the proposal. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC) <s> I would like to have this clearly stated on the [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension]], not as a policy or guideline but as the generally accepted and as the consistent practice. Since the flags (editor and reviewer) aren't really covered by any policy or any other text except from what is stated on the [[Wikibooks:Requests for permissions]] since it will now include rollback ability a defined way to remove the flags must be provided in a stable text.</s> --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : I'm not sure if you meant to oppose this proposal or not. The only interpretation that I was able to come up with in which you could of meant to oppose this proposal is along the lines of "Oppose because a policy isn't in place". I think rollback isn't defined anywhere in policy either. So why is a policy needed now? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :: I'm supporting my interpretation of the issues Thenub314 raised, and expressed my requirements to have the opposition removed. I don't see an issue on not having rollback clarified since abuse of the tool will be categorized as vandalism. On the other hand I see as a need to have an agreement on what consists non compliance with the quality of the revision system (by editors and reviewers) and what would constitute acceptable grounds for removal of the flags to preserve the value of the system. :: Thenub314: Did I understood correctly the core of your objections ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::: Undo and saving a previous revision could also be abused, but there is no policy on that either nor for that matter a 3RR. There is even a script somewhere that provides the same functionality as rollback that anyone that can edit could use. There is nothing special about rollback. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :::: And both of us have suffered by not having a consistent and established practice in respecting the 3RR (edit conflict), this has somehow been addressed when and how the BeBold was approved and the recent adherence and respect conservationism ("blocking" in decision processes) has been gathering. In any case the request I make to come to a written understanding (without being a policy or a guideline) in this respect doesn't seem problematic and will save further debates, establish the responsibilities and requirements. Without them and as implied by Thenub314 (on the comments above) the flag system will effectively cease to have any purpose. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::::: Can you move these comments to the discussion section above? You're making the opposition side look overweight. Please also see [[Help:Editing#Rollback|Wikibooks:Rollback]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :::::: I've moved my comments but in this thread since the reply to my position is from Darklama the decision should be his. No objection here.--[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC) I have now satisfied my reason to object to the proposal (lack of clarity) with the help of Adrignola. The page [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]] makes it now intelligible and attempts to remove any required technical background by restating the proposal as defined in [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1868918}} rev 1868918] (as indicated in the majority of the supporting votes). My neutral position is because I'm not comfortable with two aspects. Granting admins the exclusive right to decide what constitutes excellent/feature material (putting the classification under a personal decision), I would support it if the use of that upper qualification was based on an open decision process. And second, the freedom granted to them regarding filters (it has also other implications since automation will put stress on other practices like user blocks for instance). I fear that without proper scrutinizing the changes, there will be errors made, able to have serious impact on the project, it also depends on how quickly we notice them and how we chose to resolve them. Overall the proposal is an improvement on what we have now, it democratizes some processes, removes redundancy and seemingly all barriers to participation I've lamented about. There will be need for corrections later on but at present I've nothing to object. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 00:53, 3 July 2010 (UTC) === KISS === I am joining this conversation a bit late unfortunately. For what it is worth I am strongly in favor of removing Flagged Revisions on main space pages, in my experience it causes more problems then it is worth and is alienating to new editors. I suspect they see Flagged Revisions as a type of approval of their edits, (see this comment [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks%3AReading_room%2FProjects&action=historysubmit&diff=1842943&oldid=1831671 for example]) and since so few people actively review things they never receive any sense of approval. Whether or not this causes them to leave I do not know, but in the case of this comment that expression of frustration was the last edit he made here. Also in my recent attempts to shorten the old reviewed pages, it is clear that pages that get marked as sighted are not always read, just scanned for any obvious vandalism, no present then accept. This seems to me the wrong tool for this job. It should be kept on wikijuinor, and a lot of work as gone into the cookbook which shouldn't be wasted. I also don't like new pages to be reviewed by default. I have in the past only noticed it later and then had to spend time unreviewing pages, which is annoying. So I would like to see the default to have new pages be unsighted. I will think a bit more about reader feedback. But I think it goes against Kayau's KISS philosophy, and I am worried that it will further push away editors. I worry that, rather than encouraging readers to fix problems themselves, they may feel they can just leave a bad review and let the people here fix it and we could loose out on editors as a result. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC) : The first item in the summary &mdash;showing the most recent version instead of the most recent sighted version&mdash; seems to me to be a game changer, as far as the effect of flaggedrevs on mainspace is concerned. (Which is why I suggested it; I've had it in mind since the last time the configuration of flaggedrevs came up, and would have suggested it then except that that discussion was clearly petering out without changing anything. Since we're serious about making changes this time, this time I suggested it.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 11:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :: <s>I don't see a need to grant rollbacker along with reviewer.</s> [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 11:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :::Examining [[Special:ListGroupRights]] and comparing it with Wikinews', we need to make additional tweaks to support reviewers with rollbacker. Having reviewers get rollback automatically makes the separate group for rollbacker pointless, as who would get rollback assigned if they hadn't even done enough to become a reviewer. And if you think about it, if you're reviewing pages, you'll need a way to quickly undo vandalism at the same time. So I changed the above to remove the separate rollbacker group now that the only right assigned to that group is assigned to the reviewer group. I also suggest removing the patroller group, as it is not used with flagged revisions; all the namespaces that would use page patrol have been overridden by flagged revisions. This makes us match up with Wikinews. See [[n:Special:ListGroupRights]] to compare. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :::I also reflected above Kayau's suggestion on the reader feedback configuration. None of this should limit any debate over reader feedback or flagged revisions being used at all, or prevent further discussion of configurations. I'm just trying to keep track of where we're at. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:17, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :::I thought I'd throw this out there. I see that Wikinews is using [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter|Extension:AbuseFilter]], so it could be either a supplement or replacement for flagged revisions in the main space if anyone thought it prudent. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:26, 27 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I am in support of this purposal, but I think that we need to lower the auto promotion limits a little. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 20:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC) :::::Although I think the autopromotion criteria aren't off by ''much'', and I wouldn't be upset if we just left them alone, I do think we might lower the number of edit intervals needed ("benchmarks") from 10 to 8. My purely subjective impression is that when someone requests the bit because they're impatient waiting for autopromotion, and their case has some merit, the hold-up is usually that they're a bit shy on that number. Going from 10 to 8 might therefore make a substantial difference. Changing that number from 15 to 10 was my suggestion, to fix a massive problem with autopromotion being much too sluggish, and I think it worked quite well (compared to what things were like before). The number 10 was meant to be a substantial enough change to drastically reduce the misadjustment without going overboard, but I figured when I suggested it that by putting us into the right ballpark it might allow us to make a more precise estimate for fine-tuning it later. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 21:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::Updated to reflect that. Seems pretty innocuous to me. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::: Really I think we didn't get many requests that wasn't satisfied automatically soon after. Some people were a bit impatient or felt they shouldn't have to wait to become an editor. I think the later is likely due to the name being misleading which we are already proposing to fix. Having all 3 content namespaces count towards promotion as proposed already as well should also help those that mostly or only contribute to the cookbook or the wikijunior namespace. I really don't see a need to lower the intervals because of these other changes, but I'm also not really going to urge that it not be done at the same time. Since we are proposing changes to auto promote now, I think what would be helpful is to lower the number of contributions that need to be present in recent changes at the time of the promotion check from 10 to 5. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 11:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC) :::::::: I also think we could drop the unique IP requirement. For example, if 2 sisters edit from the same house (constructively), then none of them can be promoted automatically and they will need to request. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 20:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC) ::::::::: As far as I know, this should not have been on. As recorded at {{nowrap|[[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension]]}}, we voted to turn it off in April 2009, and it was supposedly done in May 2009. Not sure what happened, but I've changed it in the proposal code. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 20:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC) === Importer group === It occurs to me that Internoob in the above section may feel left out in all this. So I've added the code for adding people to the "transwiki importer" group. Additionally, the "importer" group is unused and the only technical difference is importing via a file. That group currently cannot be granted either. So, like the "editor"/"reviewer" groups above, I suggest removing the "importer" group and then renaming the "transwiki importer" group to "importer", for simplicity and matching up with the "uploader" group. There have been two recent requests for this and they could not be fulfilled even if we wanted to. So I suggest we enable the technical means to do so and determine in the future how we apply it either generally per policy discussion or per situation. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :No response on [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter|Extension:AbuseFilter]], just as before when I had it by itself as a proposal. Well, I added code to the above that would enable it; please comment if you object, as I can't read minds. [[w:Special:AbuseFilter]] shows possible entries that would stop vandalism in its tracks by detecting clear vandalism, such as page blanking, adding "poop" to pages, or writing in all caps. Such would reduce the burden on reviewers by preventing such edits from being made in the first place. It'd also more appropriate to rename it "edit filter" in the interface. Actions taken can include slowing a user down, flagging their edits with a tag in the page history, showing a warning to the user (most common), or even preventing the edit entirely. Those actions and what to detect are entirely customizable by administrators; but none of that is possible if it's not enabled in the first place. If desired, a new group can also be added to allow others to edit filters. I can't prove it on wiki, but when I discussed this extension in IRC in the past, both Darklama and Mike.lifeguard were in favor of it. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC) {{question}} What is the technical significance of the importupload group that you're proposing to unset, and what is the technical significance of unsetting it? --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:15, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :It allows importing from an XML file. Unsetting it means the currently-named "importers" group should disappear. It will clean up [[Special:ListGroupRights]] with groups not used not listed; same with removing the patroller group. Keep in mind that not even administrators can import from a file&mdash;they can only transwiki import, and nobody can be added to the currently-named "importers" group. So in practice nothing will change but we'll be able to rename "transwiki importers" to the shorter "importers" without having the unused group of that same name hanging around. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC) === Rollbacker === According to the proposal the rollbacker right will be removed so it's part of reviewer. However, I a worried that some editors may use it to roll back edits that are not blatant vandalism. If one continues to misuse the right, we warn them, and they still misuse rollback, then we must remove his reviewer right as well. Won't that be a bit inflexible? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :If they're misusing rollback then I wouldn't trust them with the ability to review either. They could make malicious edits to a page and then review the page or make malicious edits that are automatically reviewed to a page already reviewed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::Adrignola, if a reviewer is autopromoted because all (s)he does is work on one book, and is not involved with the community, doesn't know what rollback does etc, then (s)he can easily mistake rollback for undo. That is abuse, but honest abuse. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 01:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::I'd call that "misuse" rather than "abuse". :::I think they'd notice it was different from undo in fairly short order. :::It ''would'' be nice if a canned message could be automatically added to a user's talk page on autopromotion, but I don't think there's a hook for that. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC) ::::What about a bot? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC) === Thenub314's position === I thought I restate my opinions for ease of reading. I am mostly in favor of the changes to FlaggedRev's but I don't think we should have new pages be sighted by default, particularly when in the past we were of the opinion books could opt into flagged revs if they want, the new configuration sounds like books would have to consistently work at opting out. I oppose implementing Reader Feedback, which should be a separate conversation to be a separate conversation and not bundled into the changes with Flagged Revs. I also would hope to discuss further the possibility of turning off Flagged Revs on the Main space pages, but I can see that this is a long shot, nonetheless it should be discussed. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : Regarding turning off flaggedrevs on mainspace, I'll clarify my position: I think having the latest revision shown by default changes the psychology so drastically that there is no grounds for extrapolation to the psychodynamics of the proposed configuration (specifically, whether or not it would discourage casual contributors) based on any observed (or perceived, it doesn't really matter which) psychodynamics of the current configuration. Not trying the proposed configuration (I'm only talking about the two issues of default view and on/off, here) would simply mean giving up without knowing whether one is justified in doing so. The psychodynamics of the current configuration is an entirely unnecessary question if it can't be extrapolated to the proposed configuration. : On Wikijunior, AutoReviewNew is clearly preferable, IMO, as the first thing we (almost) always want to do when a page is created at WJ is get it into adequate shape to sight, so that we don't have unreviewed pages lying around there. Elsewhere, the point of viewing the current version by default is to make it okay for there to be an earlier version that is sighted, thus removing what I believe to be a major reason there aren't more pages on mainspace that ''have'' sighted versions. I, for one, stopped sighting previously unsighted mainspace pages a long time ago, exactly because I didn't want to be constantly under the gun to very rapidly review changes to every last one of them. Flaggedrevs might be far more widely used and more effective, ''as well'' as not discouraging to new users, with the latest draft shown by default &mdash; and then, failing to autoreviewnew would simply be preventing a potentially effective tool from being (as) actually effective. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC) I see no need to consider this as bundling things together. Configuration changes can take awhile to be acted on when a bug request is filled out. I think letting them know all the changed we want at once will make their job easier. I have clarified the summary in hopes that people can better understand what the changes will mean. I also made one change. I noticed bureaucrats could remove the flood group, but not add it. Since flood is intended to be used temperately as an alternative of the bot group, I think administrators should be able to add and remove it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC) Continuing with what Pi Zero had said I do admit the making the most recent version the one that is visible by default does definitely change the impact it will have on new users. So I will try not to extrapolate. But the more I think about this the more confused I get. If the flagged revision is not shown by default, then Flagged Revs is no longer seen as a deterrent to vandalism. Nor is it being used to make sure we are in general putting forth high quality content. I suppose interested users could hunt through the edit history to make sure they have good quality version of the page. And some registered users could make this their default preference. I also find it a bit disturbing that any new page a that gets created will be sighted, and may go on being automatically sighted as average quality without anyone ever checking it over. Over all, on pages that show the draft version by default I am not sure what Flagged Revs is helping to do for anyone beyond creating another maintenance task to keep up with. And there is still the issue that it will get used as a vandalism patrol because we don't have any other tool for that, the result being that our average quality article will simply mean "vandalism free" even if the grammar, formatting, etc is atrocious. This sounds a bit harsher then I mean it to, but I am confused about what we are hoping Flagged Revs will accomplish for the main namespace in the current setup. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 21:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : ''Only new pages'' created by ''a reviewer'' will be sighted as average, not any new page. Part of this proposal also includes '''AbuseFilter''' which will provide us ''a tool for vandalism'', and may help reduce motivation to use '''FlaggedRevs''' for ''vandalism patrol''. FlaggedRevs will accomplish nothing in the main namespace in the proposed setup ''unless people ask to be opt into it''. If people are asking to use FlaggedRevs, there will hopefully be reviewers to ensure that average means more than vandalism free. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :That's not harsh. That's exactly how I view it and use it, at least in the main space, much of the time. I've used it for templates like QuiteUnusual has for the Cookbook, but in the main space, I view it for vandalism patrol. However, I've seen that there'd be resistance to turning it off, and with it in place in the main space, we avoid the need for a "patroller" group. With three levels and proper tagging in place for each, you will be able to go to [[Special:ReviewedPages]] and view "average" (vandalism-free), "good" (higher than base by reviewer), or "excellent/featured" (marked only by admins for stable versions of featured books). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :: I think we ought to be harsh against the use of FlaggedRevs for vandalism patrolling and viewing it as vandalism tool. IMO that has been a big part of the problem. Even with FlaggedRevs not showing specific revisions, people can look through a page's history and see what revisions are considered good and choose to read a revision marked as good or excellent. I honestly don't understand why there isn't a tab available to let people switch between a draft and stable version though, that would give people a choice. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : The first change will in practice remove flanged revision, the degradation of the system for readers and the "wall" for anonymous contributors. I suppose that "Anonymous/Unregistered users see the current revision instead of the latest reviewed revision, except when overridden by administrators." means that in vandalized or stable works (low level of edits) admins will reactivate it. So I see it as an overall benefit. : The second is more problematic but required, I also expect that it will increase the responsibility to editors, since it only affects users with a flag I expect that consistent disregard for quality will result on removing the flag (a non problem since the user wasn't really using it). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC) To reply to something DL was telling me earlier. Thanks for clearing up that it is new pages reviewers make that get sighted. That doesn't really affect the problem I have with it. Maybe I should have phrased my sentence as "I find it disturbing any new page ''I create'' ...", because the first time I hit save the only quality I feel I can guarantee is vandalism free. My English is terrible, my sense of still is bizarre and I am very prone to errors. And I don't usually trust other people more than myself. So, I wouldn't want to see new pages get sighted automatically regardless of the users permissions. I will have to return to my objection about reader reviews latter... have to run. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:49, 30 June 2010 (UTC) === Flood group === I am tempted to oppose the recent change. It was already such that administrators could add and remove the flood flag ''from themselves''. Bureaucrats could remove the flag if an administrator has gone rogue or forgotten to take the flag off. Allowing administrators to apply the flood flag to anyone allows them to circumvent bureaucrats and make anyone the equivalent of a bot. On the other hand, the cumulative changes to rights management above already do quite a bit to marginalize the bureaucrat group and maybe that's the point... &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : Actually I've never been able add and remove the flood group on myself, so that isn't the case. I'd be fine with changing it back, but I don't see the point in bureaucrats being able to remove it without being able to add it too, since they wouldn't be able to undo themselves if they made a mistake. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::That's strange, because [[Special:ListGroupRights]] says that you should be able to add/remove the pseudo-bot flag on yourself. Our project policy is that you can't become a bureaucrat unless you're an administrator, so any bureaucrat would be able to add it back on to themselves if they removed it from themselves, by virtue of administrator group membership. If you're thinking they might accidentally remove it from an admin who assigned it to themselves and be unable to reassign it, that would be possible with the current configuration. But that could be solved by having bureaucrats be able to assign the pseudo-bot flag to anyone. The current configuration assumes that the community would never trust anyone but an admin with the ability to vanish from recent changes without the full-blown discussion associated with the bot flag. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:15, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::: Yes I'm thinking they could accidentally remove it from another administrator and not be able to give it back. I'm indifferent whether only bureaucrats should be able to give and take the flood group from anyone. Much in the same way I wouldn't consider it a big deal if administrators could give and take the bot flag. Anyways I tried something slightly different that I think I hadn't tried before and in the process I uncovered a bug in the management of user groups. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::: (edit conflict, making this comment mostly useless). I have at least confirmed by experiment that I can add and remove the pseudo-bot flag on myself. So it sound to me like we should give bureaucrats the right to add the pseudo-bot flat to anyone. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 19:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::::I've reflected Thenub's comment. When it comes down to it, if a non-admin really needs to vanish, they can ask for a temporary bot flag. Even if admins could grant that, I don't think too many would go ahead and do so without at least some discussion. Granting it is, to me, a high-impact decision, and by convention those rest with bureaucrat group. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}} The removal of <tt>$wgFlaggedRevTabs = false;</tt> from the current configuration (note it's not included above) should show those tabs. However, I ''already'' see them whenever I view a page with pending changes. Must be somehow related to you not being able to add/remove the pseudo-bot flag. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : As long as the most recent version is shown by default, I don't see any strong line between using flaggedrevs for tracking quality and using flaggedrevs as an anti-vandalism tool. The most basic level of quality control is absence of vandalism. I see flaggedrevs at its most basic as a bookkeeping tool for anti-vandalism. When we made the big push to sight all of Wikijunior, for instance, I found that some pages had above-graffiti-grade vandalism that had gotten woven into their revision histories ''years'' before, apparently because there was such a long period between when the edit was made and when someone more responsible next came along, that they didn't look closely at a long-standing edit that wasn't glaringly obvious vandalism. In a situation like that in mainspace under the proposed configuration, when a reviewer does come along, even if it's many months later, they'll ''know'' that there's a particular edit that hasn't been vetted yet. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 22:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC) : I might not of come across any/many pages with pending changes than maybe. Is this limited to reviewers? If so I meant a tab anyone could use, like between the book/page and edit tab and could be used even when there aren't any pending changes, assuming only that the last revision FlaggedRev would show is different from the most current revision. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC) ::[[:File:Draft tab.png]] shows what I see. I don't see that when the latest revision has been reviewed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC) :::For what it is worth, if I log out and view an old review page as an IP editor there is a latest draft tab, so it should be visible to everyone. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 09:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC) === As vandalism tool === So it sounds like several of us think it is appropriate to use flagged revs as an vandalism patrol tool. In fact, we sort of have to, we don't any other way to mark pages as vandalism free to keep the people patrolling recent changes from checking the same thing multiple times. So why don't we call a spade a spade, if the lowest level is really only to mean "valdalism free", let's call it exactly that instead of "average". [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC) ::Group names, revisions levels; they're all configurable in the MediaWiki namespace. That's not something that should block the proposal. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC) ::: "Vandalism free" isn't friendly and is harsh. The point seems to be to have a minimal level of quality that is below average but has been checked. In which case I'd rather just keep using 4 levels (like now) for 'quality', and just call them minimal, average, good, and excellent. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC) ::: I guess alternatively could stay at 3 levels and call them minimal, average and good, since Wikibooks is already using good books and featured books somewhat as synonyms . --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC) :::: I agree that a name isn't something that should block the proposal. But not having a clear sense of what we want this tool to accomplish for us is a reason to put the breaks on. I am proposing we try to come to a consensus about whether or not this the bottom level be for marking pages as free of vandalism (regaurdless of what we call it). If that is its purpose on the main space the I can understand having it there. If we do not use Flagged Revs for vandalism patrol we should disable flagged revs on main space pages so we can use existing patrolling tools, because in my opinion patrolling for vandalism is more important than having a page somewhere in the history that is flagges as "we thought this was good". I am sure others disagree with me on this point, but honestly I see that as being little benefit to anyone. It does gives a new way to semi-lock pages and that is nice, but so very vital. But lots of people seem to be reading through the RC list looking for vandalism and giving a way to coordinate the effor would be a good idea. === Reader Feedback === (returning) Here are some my issues with reader feedback, and please correct me if I misunderstand something. * Grids at the bottom of every page are disrupting to a contiguous text. Especially large grids with stars like wikinews has, but even smaller ones would break up the flow of a book. * As most books/modules have no one working on them. The vast majority of cases no one will read or act upon the reviews. I suppose I am trying to say it is not so helpful a tool for us, perhaps latter if there are more editors running around. All I see this doing is creating a big red flag saying "Yes most of modules are under developed." * I feel it will discourage new contributions. Rather than being bold fixing a problem with a page readers are being it encourages readers simply to give it a poor rating and hope the books (non-existant) author will fix it. Unfortunately I am guessing I have not made a convincing case to remove ReaderFeedback from this round of changes. But I can offer at least one idea about how to change the configuration. Since I haven't had time to read threw the mediawiki doc's forgive me if this is nonesenical. But instead of turning it on in the Main and Wikijunior namespaces turn it on in the corresponding discussion name spaces. This way the rating will not break up the text, removing the first issue I mentioned. I also think if a reader is mature enough to go to the discussion page it is more likely they will still be bold and edit the page anyways, so I am less concerned about the third point. The cookbook is a separate case, and I think reader feedback would be good there in every respect, and should appear on the recipe pages and not their talk pages. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 22:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC) :* How is it any more disrupting to a contiguous text than categories or flaggedrevs at the bottom of pages? Maybe some styling could help with that? :* I'm skeptical of any theories concerning Wikibooks' activity level, and disagree with using it as a reason to do or not do something. What is wrong with knowing whether or not people think most of Wikibooks' modules are under developed? If that were the case it could possibly help us to do something about it, which I think would be a good thing. :* People can leave feedback on the discussion page or add maintenance templates to pages without contributing any content to pages. How is providing a means to do so directly on pages any different? : Enabling reader feedback on discussion pages instead sounds reasonable to me, I can't think of any reasons not to atm. Why is the cookbook a separate case? Why should the cookbook be treated differently? How do your concerns not apply to the cookbook? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC) * The idea of calling the minimal acceptable level "minimal", or something of that sort, appeals to me. I wonder if we can come up with a better choice, but "minimal" conveys the sense of what I'd like that level to mean, and as pointed out, finding a better choice for the same meaning doesn't have to hold up this proposal. (Addendum: It seems obvious rereading that that "acceptable" is a contender.) * Notwithstanding my slightly melodramatic remarks earlier about AutoReviewNew, I suggested turning it on because I really didn't think there would be any harm in doing so once the most recent draft is shown. Although for my own use I'd somewhat prefer to have it on, since Thenub gives a perfectly respectable reason why they'd rather have it stay off, I'm willing to go along with leaving it off. (This is similar to why Wikinews recently disabled autoreview &mdash; of course it's in the nature of their different use of flaggedrevs that they'd already had AutoReviewNew turned off.) * I have no commitment to the feedback thing; although I've been vaguely skeptical, I didn't have any clear objections worth opposing it. I'm very foggy on the details of it, really, although it's my understanding that those over at Wikinews who do track it have been ''extremely'' pleased with it. Which doesn't necessarily mean anything about whether it's appropriate here. <s>However, if we're willing to relegate it to the talk page (which I'd think might not work anyway unless one turned on flaggedrevs for the talk spaces &mdash; but I too haven't RTFM) &mdash; if we're willing to relegate it to the talk page, I think I may be opposed to it altogether, because where Thenub has suggested it would compete with actually improving the page, I see it as competing with the talk page. If people are coming to the talk page at all, either on their own or because we directed them there, it makes more sense to me that they should just comment on the talk page, which is simpler.</s> --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 23:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC) : I'm fine with leaving AutoReviewNew off as well. I've been pleased with what I've seen of ReaderFeedback on Wikinews as well. ReaderFeedback is not dependent in any way on FlaggedRevs being enabled anywhere, unless the documentation I've read has simply failed to mention a dependency on it. ReaderFeedback provides graphs that show how reader feedback has changed over time, much in the same way as the [http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/EN/PlotsPngWikipediansContributors.htm contributors graphs] shows how contributions to Wikibooks has changed over time. I remember a time when Wikibooks has a lot more graphical statistics which IMO contributed greatly to community growth and participation. Wikibooks only stopped doing that because the format of database dumps changed. Wikibooks use to have a top 10 list of most active books that was updated each month with how far books jumped or dropped in activity since the previous month for example. I don't think we can really say whether ReaderFeedback will be good for us or not without giving it a try. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::I'll concede that there's no real competition between the talk page and ReaderFeedback. I have doubts about whether the talk page idea can work (granted, the idea that it had anything at all to do with flaggrevs was almost certainly daft). It looks to me as if one would have to make the talk spaces rateable ''instead of'' the content pages associated with them &mdash; and then one would also have to make sure that a talk page was actually created for every single content page. That doesn't seem very practical. (If one ''could'' make the talk page idea work, one might wish the feedback were at the top of the talk page rather than the bottom.) ::Of Thenub's three bulleted concerns about ReaderFeedback, ::* The second bullet doesn't work for me. It's not clear to me that having lots of underdeveloped pages presents any problem for feedback that it didn't already present for its own sake. As for the rest, if someone comes along and decides to spend some time on an inactive book, the accumulated feedback would be no less useful to them than to someone who had been working on that book all along. ::* On the third bullet, we really don't want anything to interfere with a visitor investing that small bit of effort to make their first edit. ::* On the first bullet, non-reviewers don't see any junk at the bottom of the page because of flaggedrevs (only reviewers are treated to that); and there's no analogy with Wikinews on this since (a)&nbsp;Wikinews doesn't have the continuity concerns of a book and (b)&nbsp;Wikinews already has sources and "share this" icons at the bottom of each article. ::It does occur to me, in passing, that ''if'' it were possible to put the feedback machinery on the lefthand sidebar, that would eliminate the continuity problem, and might go a long way to redress the discouraging-from-edits problem too since the feedback would feel like more of a separate issue from the actual content. (I see no evidence that that's remotely possible, but suggesting that it isn't possible would be getting into esoterica that are well beyond me.) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 01:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::: Being able to have both the feedback and flagged revs machinery on the sidebar would be great. Maybe worth making that a feature request. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 02:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::::I'd like to get at least the majority of the changes that can be agreed upon above implemented in the next year, however. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 03:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}Let me answer some questions directly asked to me. First to Panic, yes I think you had the idea of my concerns that it was not clear to me what we where attempting to do with Flagged Revs. Mostly my concerns were about the bottom flag, and it sounds to me your asking the subtler questions of "When do we demote/promote a module?" and you want to set down clearly at least what our goal is in [[WB:FlaggedRevs Extension]]. But I do think we are in the same ball park of "What are we going for?" Let me try to answer Dark Lama's questions in the order asked. * "''How is it any more disrupting to a contiguous text than categories or flaggedrevs at the bottom of pages?''" Currently, internal to most books the only category that appears is one corresponding to the books name. This is very easy to passively ignore just as are headers with the title or section in a dead tree book. Adding a feedback form is specifically seeking for the reader to stop reading/thinking about the books material and start thinking about its quality before moving on to the next page. This seems to me a bit distracting. Any styling that would help would necessarily come at the cost of making the feedback form less visible to the reader, and result in less feedback. But yes some balance could be struck. I was hoping the talk page would be good. This is currently where the [[WB:WikiProject Languages]] is placing their rating schemes which made me think it might be the right place for ReaderFeedback ratings as well. * "''What is wrong with knowing whether or not people think most of Wikibooks' modules are under developed?''" Nothing really, it is the truth of the matter. At the same time I don't want to over emphasize that fact either, in the fear that people have the impression that this is a dying project. I have personally given up on and avoided wiki's that had "bitten off more then they could chew". Mostly because I recognize how difficult it would be when something happend to finally bring the project to an end. (I would have been crushed if I were an active Simple English Wikibooks editor at the time the wiki was locked.) I recognize it is folly to think that there are other people like me, or to predict behavior of groups on what I feel. At the same time it is still something I am concerned about, and I think it is a reasonable concern, so I mention it. * "''People can leave feedback on the discussion page or add maintenance templates to pages without contributing any content to pages. How is providing a means to do so directly on pages any different?''" Again I suppose it is personal experience, after having shown a few people where the edit and discussion tabs are I am left with the opinion that "If you've noticed that a discussion tab, you've probably noticed the edit tab as well. And you know you can contribute. On the other hand if your annoyed enough with something being of poor quality then you look for the tools to fix it." * ''Why is the cookbook a separate case?'' The structure of it is so very different from the other things here. For one thing all of the recipes I have seen are complete and on one module, and there by and large no ordering to its pages. My comments about interrupting continuity simply do not apply. For another thing it is difficult to tell the quality of a recipe before cooking the meal. So ReaderFeedback will of a greater benefit to readers and contributors in a way that it would not be for other books, because it is very difficult to assess quality simply by reading. --[[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC) : Thanks for the reply. I think that most supporting votes are at this moment in a possition of selecting the less of two evils, it is clear that FlaggeRdevs has no real function other that the reduction of vandalism and that can only work if we make it dificult to contribute content. So the real choise is between attemt yet again an alteration (that functionally removes FlaggedRevs) or acepting to stop using it. : I've never been a supporter of the scheme as permanent, that wasn't what I approved, and after all the implications became clear and as we started stated that we are doing it wrong. I particularly don't approve this adhoc process for passing high impact decisions, the FlaggeRdevs discussion started [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1215011#FlaggedRevs_Extension_Live_on_DE.WP here] was then turned in a [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Reading_room/General&oldid=1215011#Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs_Extension_discussion "proposed configuration"] that moved the discussion to the [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension]] (notice that the adoption of the scheme was turned into the adoption of an acceptable configuration, the first was just assumed as consensual, that had an impact on the process) as I voted on the configuration in [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs_Extension&oldid=1216538 June 2008], it is clear that the full implications of the alteration were unknown and the comments of Whiteknight and Rob Horning clearly stated an understanding that the concept would be revisited and validated. Whiteknight the proponent of the idea already stated his wishes to have the scheme removed. : So my view is that the needed proposal would be "Should we keep using FlaggedRevs?" and get a consensus on that if we can. Since the adoption of FlaggedRevs never got a discussion (as we all didn't know what was implicated when we agreed to the "test"). : Since I don't see people agreeing to accept the needed reversal, we are left with a new attempt to reduce the impact it has on the project, in this convoluted way, without fixing what we supposedly are agreeing to (the proposal should be clearly stated and run in the [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension]] page), that is the core of my objection for the rest my position is similar to Mike.lifeguard, with the added realization that we are doing it backwards to fix the never gathered consensus for keeping FlaggedRevs... [[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 12:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC) === Anti-vandalism definition === Panic - I've gotten the impression (now and in the past) that you've been defining anti-vandalism to mean preventing it from happening in the first place. Although I find that premise surprising, my suspicion that you're operating on that premise is supported by its excellent explanatory power for two of your positions: (1)&nbsp;You claim that flaggedrevs can't reduce vandalism unless it makes it more difficult to contribute, which would only make sense (regardless of whether one accepts the judgment implied about the effect) if one's definition of reducing vandalism excludes measures that aid in reliably repairing vandalism after the fact. (2)&nbsp;You claim that making the current draft visible by default would functionally remove flaggedrevs, which is only true if one postulates that the sole function of flaggedrevs is to, as you put it, make it more difficult to contribute. I do agree that it functionally removes a basic reason (I'd thought, ''the'' basic reason) for your opposition to flaggedrevs. :Only on Wikijunior would I endorse the operational objective of preventing vandalism from happening in the first place (where by "happening" I mean "becoming visible by default"). Elsewhere, I consider our operational objective regarding vandalism to be reliably removing it after it happens. That objective is served ''more'' effectively by flaggedrevs if the current draft is shown by default; for example, as I've remarked somewhere above in this absurdly long discussion (though there's something bemusing about a discussion where when you preview your comment you get a table of contents), I've stopped reviewing unreviewed pages in mainspace because I couldn't keep up with the burden of very-rapidly reviewing changes to every page I review &mdash; so that showing the most recent reviewed version is an ''obstacle'' to the smooth functioning of flaggedrevs, rather than being necessary to it. ::Possibly, the difference of premise might also explain why you claim that we're not addressing the problems with flaggedrevs. I'm not sure, though; there may be some other fundamental difference of premise behind that one. :::This is the highest-profile and therefore best venue for this discussion. It's very reasonable to put a notice of this discussion at [[Wikibooks talk:FlaggedRevs Extension]] (wish I'd thought of that; I'll do it next if no-one beats me to it [note: yup, you'd already done it]), despite the practical unlikelihood that anyone who would see the notice there isn't already aware of the discussion here. Especially since anyone who has been following our gradual improvements to the flaggedrevs configuration over time is already aware that not all the consensus discussions take place there (which is why I added a list of pointers to consensus discussions to the page). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::: Indeed anti-vandalism actions can be preventive or corrective. Since we work on a volunteering basis corrective practices are extremely costly (time and effort). Preventive actions have a better return but in the case of flaggedRevs I find the cost unacceptable as it makes participation difficult. Btw this is also the reason I've requested that the proposal is clearly formalized, there are simpler and rational steps that can prevent confusions, a better understanding among Wikibookians and a reference for historic background. If we don't preserve the historic memory we are bound to incur on the same mistakes. ::: As for the seemingly safe assumption you are making that any and whatever vandalism occurs is fixable at a later time. I can confidently state that the assumption is false, without entering in details (we shouldn't give anyone ideas), all edits are layered and any corruption of the content if not detected in a timely fashion will be, if not obvious, extremely difficult to recover from. If on that corrupted layered actions an administrator deletes the page then they are indeed impossible to recover from.. ::: In regards to the reasons. I oppose the scheme mostly is the barrier it creates, next is that the scheme isn't designed to support our project needs (regrettable but factual). If we remove the first what other benefit do you see on the scheme, clearly the categorization of the pages will never work as we would like (hence my second motive to oppose it). What are the redeeming features that you see if we continue to use the scheme (with this last batch of changes) will benefit the project ? ::: The why I make an effort to specify that we are doing it backwardly is simple, at this moment it is clear to all that there is not a consensual agreement to use the scheme now. This has a clear implication on the order we discuss the subject since the status quo is still the non adoption of the flaggedRevs (since the test has clearly failed and isn't fixable). So if people validated that the use of the tool permanently was never a consensual decision (fact) the burden would be in providing a reason and a solution that validates the time and effort put on keeping it alive. Failing that a resumption of the previous state would occur. ::: I've added a note on the talk of [[Wikibooks talk:FlaggedRevs Extension]] but this proposal is a change to what is the subject matter covered there as such that is the core of my standing objection to the alteration, I feel like others have now stated that some of the changes will have implications beyond what we are signing on for. This as you state is a simple thing to do but even I haven't the full understanding on what is now on the proposal (and technical know how) or I would do it myself as an unstable version of that page. If done and people continue to validate that text as the proposed changes, I will modify my vote to neutral and remove my block of the process. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::: This proposal ''is'' clearly formalized. It has the exact changes to be made to the code provided and a summary of each and every change. I'll update the flagged revisions page when we get consensus on this and the changes are made to the configuration. Removal of flagged revisions entirely is an extreme position. Concessions have already been made to change the default view state of pages and to make it easier for people to become reviewers. A lot of time has gone into reviewing pages already and there is concern about losing that, not time spent maintaining the system. If you're looking through RC diffs for vandalism, it's not any more or less intensive than clicking the review link for changes. Failure to spend the time reviewing pages or investing the time looking for vandalism won't make vandalism go away. I would disagree that "it's clear to all" that there is not consensus, unless you somehow are counting neutral positions as opposition. Your position won't block the process; consensus doesn't require every last person to be on board. The layering of vandalism is something flagged revisions works well at preventing, in that it highlights ''all'' changes since the last review&ndash;not just the last diff. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC) I'm going to suggest, in hoping to reduce Panic's concerns about the edit filter, the removal of the possibility of creating filters that will result in a block or removal of administrator/bureaucrat groups. I'll reflect that change above. Description of the remaining actions can be found at [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter/Actions|Extension:AbuseFilter/Actions]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC) === Rollback and trust === On Mike's opinion for rollback with reviewer group, I'd like to point out the interesting tidbit that Wikipedia's use of flagged revisions believes that [[Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Pending-changes_protection_.28trial.29|"reviewers are users with a similar level of trust to rollbackers"]]. So it's not just Wikinews holding that position. As pointed out earlier, the alternative is submitting an old revision, which if done improperly will cause loss of data. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC) :Adrignola, abusing rollback does not mean one is not trusted. One can be completely ignorant about the use of the rollback feature and use it for other purposes (eg people added redundant BookCats, which I just undid in RC!) Just because someone does something in good faith does not mean he or she cannot do it the wrong way. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC) ::Then let me clarify: ''trusted with the tools''. If you can't use them correctly, you've no need to use them at all. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::Adrignola, you can't expect someone who hasn't read our policy but got autopromoted to know what rollback is and how it's different from undo etc. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 15:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Also, some people may not to any RC patrol, so that some of the reviewersmay be annoyed about having an unused button appearing on watchlists, RC, and contribs. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 11:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC) === Difficulty of removing enabled extensions === The comment above "Removal of flagged revisions entirely is an extreme position" reminds me of something I meant to say but never got around to. (I do not disagree with statement) At some point the claim was made that it was not possible to know how ReaderFeedback would work for us until we try it. But the problem is that these changes gain momentum, even if they are not good. I find Mikes comment that "I simply don't think the community is capable of supporting a robust reviewing scheme; we struggle just to create content." is spot on. So Flagged Revisions in the main space has mostly created a new maintenance task to try to keep up with, but it is an extreme position to get rid of it because we are throwing away lots of hard work that has been done by all of us. In the same way, we need to be very careful about applying that same "we can just test it" mentality that was apparently part of the IRC discussions about Flagged Revs to new extensions. After we have had it hear for a while it will be difficult to through away feedback data that our readers and ourselves generated even if we recognize the tool is not working for us as it should be. More generally speaking it is simply a lot harder to take tools away then it is to add them. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 12:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC) : Sure it can be hard to remove tools once they are enabled. On the other hand momentum over time has leaned more and more towards decreasing a dependency on FlaggedRevs. I think people took it upon themselves to create a new maintenance task out of FlaggedRevs. For whatever reasons, people wanted to be able to tell what revisions were previously checked, when they managed and were able to do without it before. Doing that is a convince that people took upon themselves to do and that is what created the new maintenance headache. I certainly didn't lean my support with that in mind and I think anyone else that supported it didn't make it clear they intended to use it in that way. In short I think how it is used makes the difference. I think someone mentioned before that Wikinews uses it for different reasons, and I've been inclined to believe the difference in use and not the configuration is the source of the problem. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :: I am not sure it doesn't create a new maintenance task. I have never liked FlaggedRev's and aside from a small number of pages, never flagged pages for the first time. Nonetheless every time I log in and check my watchlist I have a bold orangish strongly worded message telling me I need to review pages with pending edits. I didn't seek this task out greets me every time I log in (I think it is the unique maintenance task that does this). And occasionally because I get sick of looking at it I acquiesce and spend some time reviewing pages. <small>When you say wikinews uses ''it'' I am not sure if your mean it to be FlaggedRevs or ReaderFeedback. I'll Assuming you mean flagged revs since we are discussing its configuration more and your next comment was about configuration</small> If your correct and it all comes down to a question of use, why are we using it in the Main name space? I understand Wikijunior but that is the only place I clearly understand what we want to do. But as I point out below, there is a bit of a conflict between the using it as a vandalism patrolling tool and the way we have been using it in the past. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:11, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::I was not around during the time this extension was discussed, ''nor was it ever decided to properly document the motivations for enabling it''. It was very bad form to discuss this on IRC entirely the first time, especially for a wiki configuration, with the wiki used only for collecting positions. Panic mentions a historical record being desirable and I would agree. I do use flagged revisions as a vandalism tool, ''at the most basic level''. That means I do use the lowest level as vandalism-free and will not rate higher than that otherwise. The notice on pending changes in orange is only if you are ''watching'' pages with revisions sighted, which assumes that you care about the content on that page. If a book wants to use flagged revisions for stable versions of a certain quality, then they need to have an admin change the page settings to show the highest or second-highest review levels by default rather than any review level or the latest revision. If people are against my use of it for vandalism patrol, informal or otherwise, then I'm going to revert to my position that it should be turned off in mainspace and stand with Mike on that point. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::: I thought more discussion should happen on wiki too, but didn't think it was going to happen, because of the lets see what happens nature of the situation. I think a few people that wanted it did have in mind to use it as a vandalism tool, but some people like me did not. I guess there wasn't really a consensus on how the tool was to be used which could also of been bad form and perhaps it shouldn't of been enabled for that reason. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC) It sounds like we should along with our proposed changes make a propose rationale, which can later be turned into documentation. This is what it sounds like what is being proposed about Flagged revs and the a little bit of what we are thinking as to why it should be this way. '''Everyone please feel free to improve the rationale below, as someone who would hope to remove FlaggedRevs I probably am not the one to write this...''' [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC) === FlaggedRevs rationale === * FlaggedRevs will be our primary <s>vandalism patrol/prevention</s> anti-vandalism tool. * To encourage new editors, all edits will be visible from the moment they are made. Except for pages particularly sensitive to vandalism (such as Wikijunior) which need to be configured separately (it will be pages at the "good"/"average" level that will be displayed). * Reviewers will have all new pages they make sighted at the lowest level, since they are expected not to vandalize. Of course this means reviewers who vandalize for what ever reason will likely have their tools removed, and will have to request they be given back as an RFP. * We will have three levels at which modules may be rated. The lowest level is intended to mean "vandalism free" but we may choose a friendlier term. The second, optional level, that a module may be flagged at will indicate this is a "good" module. The final level, "excellent" only administrators will have access to grant. This allows us, after configuring the page to show only this highest level, to almost lock sensitive pages but still allow unprivileged users to contribute to it, and when the changes are ready an administrator can approve it. Thus we may have sensitive pages that everyone can contribute to. * As a non-enforceable but documented bit of culture, Reviewers will be discouraged from reviewing modules in books at the "good level" if the book contributors do not want to take part in having their modules reviewed. This may seem to beg the question why have a good level? It could certainly be useful as a matter of internal review by the book contributors, or an external review such as in a request to have the book be Featured, etc. This is a hangover from the current scheme, but one that I like, others may want to remove this bullet. * Reviewers now have rollback permissions. As our primary defense against vandalism it makes sense to allow them a tool which makes fighting vandalism easier. * Everyone who contributes positively can help remove vandalism so we have made it easier in various ways to to become a reviewer. '''Note this doesn't yet cover all of the changes listed above!''' Keep that in mind when adding support below. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC) On first reading, I pretty much like this. I'm not clear if the non-enforceable-but-documented bit is meant to be opt-in or opt-out, though. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :Yes, My idea was a book may opt out of FlaggedRev's '''except''' for the bottom vandalism free level. Every page should be checked for vandalism. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC) I don't like this. I think FlaggedRevs is not a vandalism, patrol, or prevention tool. Ratings are incrementally good, with each level rating above the previous being better, which is good for quality control and is what it was designed to do. If it was intended for vandalism, ratings would be incrementally worse instead, or it could mark pages as having been checked with a single click without a need for a form at all like was the case before FlaggedRevs was installed. People can still vandalize pages and the vandalism is still present in a page's history so it doesn't work as a prevention tool either. FlaggedRevs is good for showing revisions where everything on the page is grammatically correct, spelled correctly, and everything is well worded. The fact that revisions can also be shown that might have no vandalism on it is more of a side benefit than a functional use. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC) Those who want new pages automatically reviewed likely use flagged revisions for vandalism patrol. Those who don't likely use it for quality control. Because flagged revisions removes page patrol, I've never been able to use that for anti-vandalism. And with flagged revisions enabled in the main space, and no use allowed for "vandalism-free", you've taken tools away from us in patrolling. And 80% of the pages don't use it and so don't benefit from it. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 16:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :I'd failed on first reading to properly register that word choice on the first bullet. Even on wikijunior there is no actual prevention involved. The use of the tool is different from what I understand to be the usual wiki sense of "patrol". So it's neither "vandalism patrol" nor "vandalism prevention". I've suggested "anti-vandalism"; note that that first bullet makes no claim that that's the only or even primary function of flaggedrevs, just that flaggedrevs is foremost among things that address that function. :I disagree with the idea that anti-vandalism is a side benefit of flaggedrevs. To my mind, it's the primary benefit of flaggedrevs; I'm confident of it, and not convinced that the higher ratings will be of much use by comparison (though I see no earthly reason not to give them a chance, and would be happy to see them work out well). With vandalism-free as the minimal level of sighting, by whatever name, the anti-vandalism function is automatically present along with whatever other use there might be. As long as the most recent sighted version is visible by default, though, neither the anti-vandalism nor any higher-rating use on mainspace can function properly, because that default creates a new and overwhelming maintenance task, rapidly reviewing all edits to previously sighted mainspace pages. With the most recent version visible by default, reviewing becomes an incremental task over time, which wikis are good at, rather than a matter for urgent rapid action, which wikis are bad at. :It seems to me that, since the rationale doesn't claim that either function (anti-vandalism or multi-level quality rating) is more important than the other, it should be possible for people who disagree about which is more important to nevertheless find a version of the rationale that they can all agree on. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::(Okay, rereading that I think I'm overstating slightly: one usually does a bit of fixing spelling and such at the same time that one certifies vandalism-free, which is in fact a good argument for not calling it "vandalism-free" (not that anyone is promoting that name since others have been suggested). But I still consider that a side benefit of the minimal rating. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)) :: Hmm... not sure if I know the usual sense of patrol. Let me say, my thinking was all about the <b><span style="color: red;">!</span></b> that appears in Recent changes and watchlists. By marking pages with some vandalism free setting it will disappear and we can see which pages have been checked, thus helping us coordinate our efforts. This is what I was thinking when I used patrol. Prevention was clearly silly, though I have heard it claimed FlaggedRevs curbs vandalism by not allowing IP vandals to see the fruit of their work (not sure I believe it). I am happy with the current version. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC) :::I think the "usual" sense is the software feature described at [[Wikibooks:New page patrol]]. So it's just as well to simply avoid the term. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 18:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC) ::::My use of patrol above is simply adding [[Special:OldReviewedPages]] to the standard [[Special:NewPages]]. In both cases, reviewing the page (or any changes) removes the <b><span style="color: red;">!</span></b>. Same idea, but wider scope. One could see why anti-vandalism would come to mind after using it in practice. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC) The conversation over the rationale for flagged revisions (rather than its configuration) can continue at [[Help talk:Tracking changes|Wikibooks talk:Revision review]], with [[WB:REVIEW|Wikibooks:Revision review]] on the process and customs related to flagged revisions at Wikibooks. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 02:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :I support the move, this thread is becoming humongous :), the target has already shifted several times, support is diffused by several versions and most of the neutrals can be moved to support as the requests and observations they make are some how in accordance with the status quo. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 18:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::This thread (FlaggedRevs rationale) should be cut off, but the overall "Reconfigure Wikibooks" will continue if needed (though I think it's winding down). The reading room discussion and listing of support positions is the location for linking to when filing a bugzilla request. [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]] is for the benefit of those who have not been following the conversation in the reading room and for whom the summary in the reading room is not sufficient. {{bad link|Wikibooks:Revision review}} is a complement to [[Help:Revision review]] to document what flagged revisions means to us, not how to use it, and not how it is configured. The reading room discussion is low-level and temporary with [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable]] a low-level record of the configuration effects. {{bad link|Wikibooks:Revision review}} and [[Help:Revision review]] are high-level documentation and not concerned with what's going on in the reading room. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC) === Highest review level === *I have one stipulation for giving support: We need to have a separate group who can mark pages as featured. That way the Admins won't have such a load. We can just call it "Featurer", but it is necessary, so as to not tie up the admins with featured books. If anyone has a good reason for not having a separate group, I don't mind withdrawing this stipulation, it is just something I thought would be good. What do you think? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 19:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC) ::One reason for not having a "Featurer" group is that it creates the two groups that are solely for reviewing pages and can create confusion. We currently have editor and reviewer (with reviewer able to rate the highest level) and this proposal seeks to eliminate one of those two groups and just call it reviewer. If changes are to be made such that reviewers will not have any limits on them in terms of what they can rate, then we only need two levels: one for the basic, vandalism-free version and one of higher quality that has actually undergone a content review. Otherwise there is no functional difference between the second and third levels if there is no restriction on who can rate to the highest level. However, there have been objections from yourself, Darklama, and Panic on that top level being restricted. Eliminating the restriction would get your and Panic's support (I believe), but we may want to simplify things with two levels. A book is not going to be featured simply because all its pages are at featured quality in the review system, as it must still go through the nomination process. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 19:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::I would say get rid of the third entirely, as it is of little to no use anymore. All in favor? Any objections? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 21:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::* {{neutral}} [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 21:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::: Not that it is really of much relevance since I am the only one objecting, but my oppositions still stands. Though now my only concerns are about ReaderFeedback. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 22:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :::: Well, I don't really care, it is just that to restrict it to admins is overkill when the highest level doesn't have any use anyway. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 23:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC) With the three levels being minimal, average, and good, minimal can mean that the revision was quickly scanned and appears to be free of any obvious vandalism by patrollers , average can mean that the revision has been proofread with grammatical and spelling errors fixed, and the revision is understandable/comprehensible by [[w:Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes]] and the like, and good can mean that the revision has been thoroughly exampled and determined that the structure makes since, the revision is accurate and cites its sources, and nothing else of importance is missing by someone that knows the subject. That is basically why I see no need to limit the highest level to administrators. When most or all pages in a book have a revision that is considered good than maybe people might consider nominating the book to be featured. Rather than using the level to indicate featured the level can be used to determine if a book might be ready to be featured. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC) # {{support}}, great idea. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 23:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC) :In looking for Arlen22's and Panic's support, as well as mitigating Darklama's concerns, I've removed the code above that would restrict the top level of reviewing to administrators. This also eliminates the desire to have a second reviewing group just for that top level. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC) ::Point 5 says "Administrators can set pages show the most recent excellent revision for Anonymous/Unregistered users." Why not have them be able to set it to any level? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC) :::My reading of it, considering the last 2 changes, means that admins can fix the page to the optimum quality. Making it possible to select between several rating wouldn't serve any purpose and again permit the selection to become arbitrary. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Good point, we have totally defeated the purpose. Perhaps instead of calling it "featured" or "excellent", we should call it "static" or "stable" or "protected", and restrict it to admins again. After all, this would be used only on high traffic pages. The main reason I wanted it removed in the first place was that it was required for featured status and it should not necessary for an admin to mark a page as featured since it has to go through the process anyway. :::::We might as well just leave it like this (anyone can set page to top level) for now and come back to it later if needed. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 18:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC) ===About voting=== What are we voting on below? Is it the summery at the top? [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 15:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC) :We are actually ''voting'' for the "Proposal code" at the top of this section (at {{nowrap|<tt>#Reconfigure Wikibooks</tt>}}), which is the specification of record of how the configuration is to be changed &mdash; in whichever particular version, or versions, one votes for. The summary, just below that, and the [[Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs Extension/Unstable|separate page]] are valuable aids to understanding the proposed changes to the configuration; but they aren't the subject of the actual vote. :Note that, in order to make the vote crystal clear for purposes of confirming consensus, it is probably most useful that votes should identify what is being voted for using markup similar to the following. This example uses the particular revision that is currently identified by the other page as the subject of its description; I don't mean to herd anyone into a particular position by that, but it seemed like the choice least likely to cause confusion. ::<nowiki>[{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]</nowiki> :--[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 17:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC) === Support === # {{support}} ''proposed code'' configuration in [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:08, 29 June 2010 (UTC) # {{support}}: I fully support configuration as defined in [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1868918}} rev 1868918] or '''[{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]'''. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 01:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} configuration in [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 14:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1868898}} rev 1868898] which is almost equal to 1868352. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 19:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} the configuration defined in [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General|oldid=1868352}} rev 1868352] or [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General|oldid=1868918}} rev 1868918] or [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 20:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} as defined in [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 16:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833] as summarized in [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs_Extension/Unstable&oldid=1874262 this version of Wikibooks:FlaggedRevs_Extension/Unstable]. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} for the proposed reconfiguration at [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} rev 1873833]. [[User:Soeb|Soeb]]&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:Soeb|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Soeb|contribs]]} 08:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} the proposals in the summary [[User:Purplebackpack89|Purplebackpack89]] ([[User talk:Purplebackpack89|talk]]) 17:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC) # {{support}} I'm not even an editor! but well. :P [[User:Diego Grez|Diego Grez]] ([[User talk:Diego Grez|talk]]) 17:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC) === Oppose === # {{oppose}}: I oppose configuration as defined in {{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading room/General#Reconfigure Wikibooks|oldid=1873833}} as per my comments above. (As part of any formal record, I want to say the whole process was sort of rigged, as per my comments below. Not sure if the whole conversation will be archived, so I include this opinion here.) [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC) #<strike> {{oppose}}: Can't see the proposal working in practice. Somebody else has already pointed out that WB struggles to get simply content let alone reviewing of such content. Low levels of vandalism, sillyness and people adding misleading information don't warrant reviewing either. The problem on Wikibooks is a lack of contributers and readers and not an excess of vandalism or dodgy information!</strike> --[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 00:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC) #:This makes no sense because flagged revisions is already enabled. This proposal is primarily a reconfiguration of it. If you want to take the position that flagged revisions should be disabled, then please make that clear. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 00:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC) #::It seems possible that Xania might have missed the key point that this proposal is a ''solution'' for the problems of flaggedrevs, by making the most recent draft visible by default instead of the most recent sighted version (except on Wikijunior). So that sighting doesn't interfere with contributors, and reviewers aren't actively discouraged from sighting previously unsighted pages, and flaggedrevs is set free to be a bookkeeping tool that functions over time, rather than an administrative problem that demands rapid review of all edits to previously sighted pages. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 00:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC) *<strike> Fucking hell! It's an oppose vote. Let it be and stop questioning everything! No, Xania hasn't "missed the key point" of this vote and takes offence at being told otherwise. The whole idea of flagged revisions is a waste of time so therefore I'm not going to support any proposals which "reconfigure" it, extend it, reduce it or otherwise. The only one I'll support is one to remove it. Stop questioning people's votes.</strike> --[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 10:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC) *:Well, you are blocking its demise. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 10:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC) *::No he isn't. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC) *::Xania, I hope you don't mind that I've changed your # to a *. This will make consensus clearer. Also, please be civil. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC) *::: I agree with Thenub314 in that respect, Xania is free to express his opinion as he sees fit, but since this is a discussion to gather consensus when one takes a position of objection he must provide a rational for a compromise or a reason for others to support his objection, if not he excludes itself from the process. *::: In a process where ones view is a minority there are tree routes, establish that the minority view has grater value and gather support for it, attempt to reach a compromise at middle ground or concede to a change of vote to non-opposition. Political processes varies but all (even monarchies and dictatorships) involve some sort of negotiation, on our system stating that one is being pressed to chance his position is a copout, since in our setup no-one should have any power over the other. In fact it shows that others are willing to address your position, the alternative would be to ignore it or a permanent block on the discussion. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 14:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC) (edit conflict) Nonsense! There is no '''must''' in a discussion like this. And it is not a discussion to ''gather'' consensus, it is a proposal, gathering should not be part of the lingo, it goes towards the whole vote rigging feeling I expressed below. Sometimes it is helpful to offer ideas for compromise, but it is not a requirement. There is absolutely no need to concede, A single persons position will almost never blocks a proposal. But mostly makes this comment nonsense is the part about '''excluding''' positions from considerations if they do not provide rationale. Should we exclude the positions of support made by people who gave no reason and in now way took part in the conversation? Shall I strike them through now? Or maybe there is some asymmetry between the support and oppose side of '''any''' proposition? It makes me wish I were on the support side and allowed not to have a thought in my head. At least none I would later be interrogated about. I would like to think that someone could choose to support or oppose based on arguments already given. Which was how I read Xania's now removed position. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :Must is they key word there, it what divides a rational discussion from a simple list of ramblings. We need to be clear on our positions. You can't make it work with '''should''' or without requiring people to back their position with objective reason. :From [[Introduction to Sociology]], "Politics is the process by which decisions are made for a given society. The method of making decisions for groups varies, but the act of decision making is the key component that characterises politics." :From our [[Wikibooks:Decision making]], "The most important tools that wikibookians have to make decisions are compromise and consensus.", "We will use the term discussion to mean the process of wikibookians voicing their opinions and working towards compromise. Wikibookians do not "Vote" on anything, but we discuss points, compromise, and try to reach consensus.", "Ultimately the state of "community consensus" involves the vast majority of users agreeing on some decision. Wikibooks is not a democracy, and a simple voter majority is not the default, nor the recommended method of deciding any discussion.". :From [[Cognitive Psychology and Cognitive Neuroscience]], "No matter which public topic you discuss or which personal aspect you worry about – you need reasons for your opinion and argumentation. Moreover, the ability of reasoning is responsible for your cognitive features of decision making and choosing among alternatives.". --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :: (Edit conflict) <comments removed> It seems the bug report is now submitted, and I will respect the "full stop!" [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ---- ''(discussion of Thenub314's ''oppose'' vote)'' ::From you last comment above "...my only concerns are about ReaderFeedback." and as I search references on those concerns I see only that you raise an issue about the reliability of the gathered information, is this correct ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC) ::: Perhaps I don't know what you mean about reliability... but that is not the word I would choose to describe my concerns. I basically feel that ReaderFeedback will: :::# disrupt the continuity of a book; :::# discourage new user edits by creating the impression that telling us what is wrong will lead to the being book fixed by us, instead of encouraging readers to be bold and fixing it themsleves; :::# not significantly help improve the books here as as most pages are do not have any active contributors. :::Though I don't feel these concerns really apply to the Cookbook. :::I haven't said so elsewhere, but probably we should choose different criteria should be chosen for Cookbook recipes, because at least I expect most readers to rate a recipe on its ease of preparation and taste regardless of what we call the criteria. :::As a compromise I suggested enabling the reader feedback forms on the talk namespaces for main and wikijunior instead of the spaces themselves. Then make sure the reader feedback messages clearly states that actual page is being rated and not the discussion page. Assuming this is possible. (I ''still'' haven't RTFM). But there is no particular support for this idea. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::PS I also thought that once turned on it would be difficult to turn off even if it doesn't work out for us. Somehow this ended up under its own separate heading above which kind of destroyed the context of what the objection was about. But my comments in the "difficulty of removing an extension" section were about the difficulty or removing ReaderFeedback once enable. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 16:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::: My reference to the <u>reliability of the gathered information</u> referred to your statement «''I find Mikes comment that "I simply don't think the community is capable of supporting a robust reviewing scheme; we struggle just to create content." is spot on''». --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 17:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::: Most of you concerns are valid but they are based on suppositions they can just as well have the reverse effect. In any case the way we do it now is no better so I see no great change, only that we will democratize the access to the classification. :::: I would prefer not adopting the extension and keeping that classification the way it is to see the use of each work talkpage reinforced, as I don't see as a good structure to have a talk page for each page of a work, but accept that as a system limitation to us (it does the work well on Wikipedia), this option would also aggravate the issue of visibility. :::: Other alterations that could address the issue is by way of adding the right information on the interface box, ask users to fix issues could suffice. :::: The third point you make seems contradictory, a book has contributors or has not (pages in themselves are a bit irrelevant), I don't work on pages I do work on books. I do maintain a watch in a multitude of pages and as a contributor I don't see the reader information as having that much of an impact, it may be useful, but not at the stages of development most books are. In my view, regarding that rating and even the other one, quality classification beyond '''average''', will only have a real use for and when someone decides to publish a Wikibook. Between now and then I expect that other alterations have addressed any negative consequences. :::: The only solutions now seems not to adopt the extension (and keep the way we do that review, that has most of the same issues) or alter the extension in a way that addressees your objection. I would like that anyone on the know to see about what can be done to address the second possibility. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 16:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::::The reader feedback extension is for ''reader'' feedback, not editor or reviewer feedback. It has no relation with the reviews assigned by flagged revisions. If it's bothersome, it can be hidden in per-user or per-book CSS. Reader feedback classifications cannot be customized per namespace, at least in the current form of the extension. This one remaining objection will not be able to be reconciled with revision 1873833 that everyone has now updated their support for, where reader feedback is enabled. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::Just to be clear, with the acknowledgment that both schemes support concurrent classification regarding presentation. When you make a distinction on the providers of the feedback and state no relation, my understanding was that any editor or reviewer is also a ''reader'', even if not all reader at present can participate on the categorization the value or relation regarding the interpretation of the feedback is, we cannot say equal, but similar. Correct? Can't a request to participate in the improvement of content be added to the interface? (that would go more toward resolving Thenub314 concerns) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::Yes, reviewers are also readers, but that's getting into semantics. The reason for the reader feedback is for those who ''are not'' reviewers to be able to assess pages in a way that doesn't serve as a vandalism or quality revision check. Feedback in the toolbox would be even worse than putting it on the talk page. It will be overlooked, and even with our measly minimums for feedback, no pages would get the minimum required to produce meaningful numbers. If one were seeking a way to marginalize the extension so badly that the next time it comes up it's removed, that would be the solution. And under Vector, the toolbox is often hidden and so readers wouldn't even see the link for it in the toolbox. That's not even considering the additional coding time that would be required to make it appear there, which would delay the start and the finish of this proposal's implementation by the developers. Possibly a compromise to not risk interrupting the flow of pages while maintaining visibility would be to have it show up only on the root page of a book. But the extension's not designed for that, as like most aspects of the software, it was designed with Wikipedia in mind first and foremost. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 23:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::: I don't see the relevancy on the distinction you make on who provides the feedback or how we can guaranteer the value of that information. I see it as an helping tool for prioritization not as exact indicator on what is lacking. I suppose vandals will also provide their own feedback, so the power of the extension is in the averaging out of the information we get from all Wikibookians (without any particular distinction). If you disagree and because the interpretation of the data isn't been defined on the proposal, lets move this point to your or mine talk page as it has no relevance to the current objection. :::::::: I didn't say "feedback" I said if it is possible to include a statement in the interface to indicate that we value more active contributions than participation in the rating system (not in so many words). This seems to be the core objection of Thenub314 that users will see it as the optimal way to contribute to improve the project in place of adding/contributing to the content. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC) ::::Thenub314, will it satisfy you the possibility to hide the extension as Adrignola indicates? We could also try to get more Wikibookians to take a position on the proposal, would you concede to change your position to non-objection, if more people express their support for the proposal ? Do you have any viable proposal to resolve the impasse ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 23:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC) ::::: Adrignola's suggestion about using CSS to turn it off in particular cases is a good idea. Unfortunately my concerns mostly stem from the fact that I feel enabling this extension is a bad move for the project, and not so much from concerns about the books I work on. I don't understand why the number of people expressing their support should effect my opposition. The whole point of a consensus is that we don't have to all agree. I am unfortunately out of ideas for a way to improve ReaderFeedback, it is a shame it can't be configured per namespace, but that is life. ::::: Overall I would like to point out that something is going awry in the conversation. I think the atmosphere unintentionally... I am not sure of the right word. But there is a lot of politics going on to get people to change their positions, and it doesn't sit entirely well with me. Are '''four''' editors really necessary to jump on 3AНИA's hasn't read and understand what is going on? That is just... toxic. If I were him I would really be fuming. And what is so unreasonable about his position? He doesn't see this working out for us because we have too few editors, it wasn't unreasonable when Mike made the same suggestion. If he doesn't like the tool being about why should he support some reconfiguration of it? Even neutral comments are now drawing discussion along the lines of "Perhaps you didn't understand." I always thought going around to talk pages and trying to get people to change their positions was considered bad form. But a lot of that seems to be going on. ::::: So could we keep comments about this thread in this thread? (Including the "please clarify your position" comments on talk pages?) It splits up the conversation Really, how should we interpret [[User_talk:I-20#Can you please clarify you position|I-20's response]]? Is that intended to be part of this conversation? I have no idea. It would also keep two editors from expressing their confusion over 3AНИA vote here along with two at his talk page, which seemed to be sort of a double whammy to me. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::::: As a PS, I do think Mike's comment is spot on, but I think you may have misunderstood that comment, it has nothing to do with the reliability of gathered information. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 10:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::'''This isn't a vote!''' These are position summaries. This is the equivalent to a debate in a political arena and an attempt to try to satisfy the most people and address the most concerns possible. When someone opposes a proposal, naturally a desire is there to see if the concerns can be addressed. But if the concerns are not outlined properly, that makes it difficult to address them. Thus people ask for clarification, ''not a change in position''. If people hold so little value in their position that they aren't prepared to defend it or justify it, then so be it. This proposal's pretty much done and I'll file a bug report later today. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::: Look I didn't mean to offend anyone. Adrignola, as far as your comment goes you clearly asked for a clarification. And no one understands this isn't a vote better than I do, but the word was being used at Xania's talk page when he was asked to reconsider and I suppose I let it slip. But let me be clear that '''I was explicitly asked to change my position'''. At Xania's talk page he was told to '''"please change either your vote or your reason"''', and told he probably didn't understand what the changes were about. (And he is understandably annoyed). FWIW, I don't think Xania does not value his position so little, it is simply that all the defense and rebutle etc that lead to his position is already accounted for in this conversation. No need to lenghten it, and he was a bit annoyed at the forceful response to his "vote". ::::::: More subltly going around to talk pages and asking '''only one side''' to update their support for a particular revision is also a subtle '''rigging fo the process'''. Just as you say that if someone doesn't care enough to defend their postion then so be it. If someone cares so little as to not pay attention to the changes should we be considering their point of view as part of the consensus. Perhaps they just updated it with a "yeah sure, whatever" attitude. This kind of behavior ruins the whole process. I don't say that as a way to try to block this change, but just to say that IMO '''something very bad happend here'''. Maybe something woth talking about later. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC) {{outdent|:::::::}}That's pretty harsh for a proposal that is of this length and went through so many revisions since initially being put forth. I don't blame people for wanting to conduct discussion off the beaten path and out of the limelight or inform others of easy-to-overlook changes that were made to address key concerns of theirs. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :Maybe it is harsh. I thought it was all a bit innocent at first. But put yourself in my shoes. I became the unique person to have a section title after him (two if you count this one). I was asked to restate my opinions and then told all my opinions subjective and could easily go the other way (how does ReaderFeedback improve continuity?). Then pressured into changing my position. It is a bit hard not to feel singled out. Then when two new people state opinions that are not favorable toward flagged revs, they draw comments suggesting they do not understand, they are being self contradictory, etc etc. Xania was effectively bullied, not on purpose granted, but our collective reaction was quite harsh towards him. They were bad mistakes made in good faith. And people did only go around talk pages seeking support for one side. It is easy for me to empathize with Xania's comment that "I refuse to be pressurized by a small minority who seem to think that they're in charge." I am not sure about the small minority part, but as I said before, something bad has happened here. After today, to me this whole conversation smells like three day old fish. :It is clear that the changes will pass despite my objections and I am fine with that. My point is we really should aim to do better. With changes this major we should be trying doubly hard to make sure our process is beyond reproach, and we have not achieved that. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::ReaderFeedback improve continuity by providing the contributors the information about more silent readers, not all readers will become active contributors but it is admissible that a fraction of the now nonparticipating users will interact with the extension, this provides editors clues on what parts of Wikibooks (in general) or project are of more interest to the community and work on them. ::I personally like and do reinforce my participation when I see activity on the pages I work on, as this validates the work I've put into those works. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 14:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::'''continuity''' - logical sequence, cohesion, or connection, uninterrupted connection or union. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :::(edit conflict)In regards to Xania's recent edit, like I said, something bad happened here. How can we read this and know if other people didn't add their view of oppose because they weren't up to the fight? How many people have we scared away from expressing their opinion? I suspect none or not many, but who knows. In the end I don't blame him for feeling like he was continuing to be harassed. And I am sure he wouldn't be please with me continuing to lengthen this already long conversation. Submit the bug report quickly before this turns anymore sour. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 14:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :::: It is clear that you are not talking about the same type of "continuity" as I am. And I can only guess at which definition your using. But I don't wish to pursue this any further, I just thought you'd like to know we misunderstand each other completely on this point. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ::::: Why thank you Panic! That definition makes everything crystal clear and in no way came across as dismissive or condescending. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 15:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC) :::::: Take it as you will but that was not my intention. I was just making sure others got what I was talking about. You did dismiss the issue, if you wish to debate it further I'm available to further our mutual understanding. :::::: I do believe that most Wikibookians actively avoid participating in discussions, I did so actively, for most of my first years here. This is why we should extend protection to fringe views and opinions. Regarding Xania be assured that he is well capable of speaking for himself. I read his position a bit differently than you, his observation, disregarding his frustration with the time we take debating things, was in line with what Mike's states bellow, but that position can't be acted upon, the level of consensus for the alteration is greater than for the removal of FlaggedRev. That is why I changed my position and probably part of the reason Mike didn't made it the subject of an opposition. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC) === Neutral === #I have no opinion as yet on the proposal. I have no opinion about the part where new pages are automatically marked as patrolled. That seems to run against the current FlaggedRevs philosophy, though in a sense it makes life easier. I am also skeptical about assigning the editor rights with the rollback right. I am worried that an editor may not read our policy on rollbacks and misuse it because they have been autopromoted to editor but know little about it. Therefore, I have no opinion yet whether to oppose or support the proposal. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 05:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC) #I'd rather remove flaggedrevs entirely and go back to new page patrolling, or ''maybe'' full diff patrolling. I simply don't think the community is capable of supporting a robust reviewing scheme; we struggle just to create content. I also don't think it makes sense to merge rollback with editor. I don't think AbuseFilter is going to be a big help, but I don't see any problem with using it. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;<code style="color:#4B0082; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Mike.lifeguard|mike]]@[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|en.wb]]:&#126;$&nbsp;</code> 02:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC) #Still making my mind, there are lots of changes proposed (thanks for the summary box, BTW; after a ten-day break there was no way I would get through that huge discussion otherwise :) ). In principle I like many of the proposals, particularly FlaggedRevs becoming opt-in. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 17:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC) #:There is some confusion somewhere. Does the current proposal make FlaggedRevs opt-in? I thought by making all new pages automatically flagged, it even more difficult to opt-out if you wanted to. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC) #::The whole opt-in/opt-out thing doesn't make any sense. If flagged revisions is enabled in the main namespace, you're opted in, no way around it. There's no way for you to prevent any reviewer from coming along and reviewing all your pages as vandalism free or whatever other criterion they decide the review represents. Additionally, there is no policy stating that I have to leave pages unreviewed if the original creator didn't review them. The only way that it could be opt-in in any way would be if you're thinking of possible requests to an admin to make pages show the most recent reviewed revision by default. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC) #::: When darklama had said earlier that "FlaggedRevs was suppose to be opt-in for each book after the last time we made changes, and I think we need to do a better job of that being the case by discouraging people from sighting revisions in a book unless they want both the benefits and hassles that come with using FlaggedRevs." I took this informal opt-in as what was supposed to be the status quo left over from last time. Sure there is no way to stop a reviewer from flagging any page he or she likes. It is a shame it can't be turned on/off book by book but it is a limitation of the software. But if our current aim is to allow editors/reviewers to opt-in particular books, it makes sense to interpret the word as it has been used before. As an informal (and sadly undocumented) idea that reviewers should not flag modules of books that the people working on them do not want flagged. One of the reasons I wanted to be clear about whether or not we intend to use Flagged Revs as a vandalism tool is because it does runs into conflict with this idea. Which is why I am very confused as to what we are trying to accomplish in the Main namespace. [[User:Thenub314|Thenub314]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|talk]]) 13:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC) #:::: I think there was some unstated assumptions and probably a lot of that going around throughout the whole life in which FlaggedRevs has been used. I believe last time it was learned that reviews could be undone/cleared and so simply clearing all reviews from books that didn't want it combined with disabling autoreview would be enough to make FlaggedRevs opt-in since with no reviewed revisions the current revision would be shown. That didn't work because people continued to review revisions anyways. If it had worked there would of been no need to ask administrators to change the stability setting, since it didn't the next step seems obvious to have stability setting off by default and that is exactly what was proposed. I just think it would of been better if people would of stopped reviewing all revisions because than administrators wouldn't need to do more work and people wouldn't need to seek an administrators to opt into it. Not requiring administrative action is more ideal, but seems like it might be unrealistic now, especially with people still wanting to use it as vandalism tool. Wanting to use it as vandalism tool combined with wanting to turn it off seems rather contradictory to me, which always brings me back to the idea that how people use it and what its used for should be what changes. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC) # After reading through the proposal for the first time, I think it's better than what we have now (especially considering, as others have mentioned, the difficulty we have generating content), but it would be better to just get rid of it. I haven't been here for a while, so a question for all of you: does it happen often that someone makes an edit to a reviewed page (even a good one) and it just sits there because no one has watched it and "accepted" the revision? [[User:Mattb112885|Mattb112885]] <small> ([[User talk:Mattb112885|talk to me]]) </small> 01:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC) #: The discussion is way too long to read through, IMO anyway, so here's the key point as I see it: Once the most recent draft is visible by default, rather than the most recently sighted one, flaggedrevs not only loses its downsides, it is enabled to serve a potentially valuable function that it's now being prevented from freely serving. The problem isn't that pages wait a long time to be sighted (they do; see [[Special:OldReviewedPages]]), the problem is that it ''matters'' that they wait a long time like that, because the most recent sighted version is visible by default. With the most recent draft visible instead, flaggedrevs becomes a bookkeeping device for keeping track, ''over the long term'', of what has and has not been vetted. Wikis are good at doing things gradually, which is what flaggedrevs aids under the proposal; wikis aren't so good at rapid customized response to unique actions across a broad front, which is the sort of administrative mess that flaggedrevs tends to create in mainspace now (without the proposal). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 02:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ===Implementation=== [[bugzilla:24304|Bug 24304]] has been submitted. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 15:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC) ===Follow-up=== ====Rollback==== I remain skeptical about giving out rollback rights along with editor, though that concern may be resolved by the programming of a bot to inform the new editor once (s)he has been autopromoted. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 06:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC) :Because I didn't know what rollback was, I didn't touch it. And when I learned what it was about I didn't need it so I didn't use it. I would say it could be given out manually, but automatically is fine for now, I would say. [[User:Arlen22|Arlen22]] ([[User talk:Arlen22|talk]]) 12:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC) == Proposal to change the icon and definition of "tranwiki" at the RfDs == Proposal and changes to it are now open and will end after 7 days of inactivity, there is <u>no need to express support</u>, please add comments or propose changes. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 09:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC) For some time I have felt that Wikibookians don't fully appreciate the implications behind a transwiki in the context of a RfD and those that understand the meaning of transwiki don't understand the benefits behind the closing of a discussion as transwiki.<br> In general terms a transwiki is a request for an administrator to perform a copy (not a move), in the context of a RfD it also implies a deletion, but the action is in fact a request for ''content push'' from us to another community. I don't know but expect that some of these unrequested copies of content are simply deleted at destination (if you have any knowledge about that it would be interesting to know).<br> The proposal is to change the icon now labeled as traswiki to state "savable" (prevent waste or loss of, to conserve), that clearly indicates that the position taken on the RfD is that at the present time the content has no place in the project, but has intrinsic value and we recognize the effort put in providing it, as Pi zero said on a RfD, that the content is "not trash", this of course doesn't remove the possibility of indicating a transwiki location to save the work, but puts emphasis on our classification of the content not on how it will be disposed of.<br> The other related change, I propose, is that that if a clear location for a transwiki is established and it is the outcome selected that the content should be pulled, this requires that the community we defined as a destination should be notified and accept the content, we can establish a procedure as we discuss the proposal.<br> This proposal is now open and will end after 7 days of inactivity, there is <u>no need to express support</u>, please add comments, express your opposition or propose changes. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC) : I think having a better relationship with other websites where works are suggested to be copied to is a good idea. In the past people from StrategyWiki have posted a comment on the RfD discussion when they have adopted a work. I think the current name "transwiki" and icon is good enough. A person's opinion of what to do with the work can be influenced by whether or not a website is willing to take the work. Some people might be willing to support copying to another website because at least it would have a home, but might want to keep the work otherwise. Some people say "transwiki or delete" which can be useful for understanding what people would like to see done with the work if target website is not interested in the work for example. I think it would be nice when a consensus is reached to transwiki that the consensus be noted on RfD, but the discussion is left open until we hear back from the website where the work is to be copied to, so if the website doesn't want it the community can decide what it wants to do instead. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :: I also understand the more experienced Wikibookians don't see this as a great issue, but since the RfDs are in my experience now the primary location that new Wikibookians select to participate in the political process of the project some extra attention to details and for clarity should be taken. :: On the idea of the "transwiki or delete" not all content of value will have a destination, not all will be accepted, that doesn't reduce the future usefulness on it. Closing every deletion of such content in a distinct manner permits to in the future for Wikibookians to easily identify content that at present wasn't seen as fit for a keep (here and elsewhere) and an easier way to separated it from empty stubs and other "trash". --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC) [[Comment Withdrawn]] ::I've attempted to make clear that this wasn't a vote/poll, before everyone starts to take sides,<s>I would request that you let your opposition stay but remove the icon as it has a connotation linked to the normal straw poll we perform.</s> I was attempting to avoid that at this early stage... ::<s>I don't understand what you are opposing. In fact what you describe as "slippery slope" is what normally happens, that is why I proposed the second modification. From a push to a pull.</s> ::<s>You don't seem to be disagreeing that the normal position of transwiki relates to the value of the content under discussion,</s> the renaming of the icon (that is misleading since a transwiki is a request for a copy) and I've made clear that the new label, that can be anything (I just found that "savable" was well suited to indicate the position), will continue to signify a possible transwiki but also situation that a destination project can't be found or doesn't accept the content. We must remember that we are in a volunteering basis actions are not obligations, this also raises the bar to make people examine the contributions of others beyond [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?]] (even if some of us already do that). This would mean that any OR (if it has actual content would be tagged differently than an empty stub or gibberish. This would reduce the feeling that some Wikibookians get of alienation and frustration after a deletion of their work. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 20:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC) [[Comment Withdrawn]] :::: <s>I'm glad that you see that you are objecting to what normally happens when someone opts for the position of transwiki.</s> :::: When in a RfD, I select to argue for a traswiki, I'm recognizing that the work proposed for deletion has an intrinsic value that while not useful in Wikibooks will be useful elsewhere, I'm making a position about the value of the content I don't know how you can separate the two. Since a traswiki position has no impact on the destination community, we are in fact evaluating the content. :::: In any case what normally happens isn't on the proposal, <s>so I'll ask you to clarify any objection to</s> what is proposed, a simple renaming of the position of transwiki that will clarify the situation where it is refused at destination or the content can't be accommodated elsewhere, and an alteration from the practice of "push" to a "pull" from the other community. <s>Do you have objections to these issues ?</s> --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC) :I am opposed to this proposal. Panic here seems to be a [[meta:Association of Transwikist Wikipedians|transwikist]]. Anyhow, I don't like the idea of calling transwiki 'save', then decide on which community we shove it to. I believe that WV is currently a place to dump random scraps of educational material, but that's unrelated. I don't think that we should use transwiki as an excuse for saving material that may be considered good but is useless for the community. Nowadays you don't see people commenting, 'transwiki to so-and-so' at WP XfDs. What I believe is, transwiki should only happen when the work a) is not nonsense (and the book contributors can help us understand that; b) be are absolutely sure that it fits in the scope of another wiki and c) there is someone to do the transwiki. In case of copy-and-paste transwiki to a wiki which does not allow transwiki from WB, such as Wikia, then not only do we need to find an appropriate place in a strange wiki, but we also have to make sure that the contributors there want it and then care about the attribution etc. IMO, such transwikis should only be done if the book contributor(s) want it. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 00:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC) ::Again, in general you are expressing opposition to something that is the common practice, as did Thenub314, even that it should be clear that the second part of my proposal addresses that issue, the custom dumping of content will stop. ::In what regards an argument against this proposal, you state that you object to 'save', in fact I avoided that word intentionally and opted by a derived one '[http://www.tfd.com/savable savable]' that qualifies the content not the action, I'm attempting to make it clearer the position taken on the RfD, how it will be closed is still open, and 'transwiki' will probably continue to apply especially if some consensus is gathered for the change advance by Darklama to request a state of hold on the RfD until the transwiki is completed. (There are alternative solutions and problems with this method but lets leave it as is for now and address what was tabled first, we will come back to it later) ::I'm not stuck on the 'savable' term, if you have a better one put it forward, the intention is to clarify that the old transwiki and the icon we normally use are not fit for the function that we normally use it. We don't need a consensus to alter or adopt a new icon, anyone can state the position as they like I'm only attempting to establish a best practice and mutual understanding to enable a cleaner running of the discussions. If we agree fine if not I've made my point and will start using the term myself now that I've explained why, but the usefulness will be diminished and contribute to increase the confusion, just the opposite of what the icons were meant to do. ::More experienced Wiibookians can understand the nuances of the transwiki position and what it implies on the context of an RfD, but most newcomers, even from sister projects don't, in that regard the link you provided has no bearing on this project and how we use transwikis. I can't seem to grasp what you intended by pointing out [[meta:Association of Transwikist Wikipedians|transwikist]], can you attempt to explain it in another way ? ::I take the chance to make clear to you is that what you believe and aspire to and what happens seems to diverge (and with a great difference of latitude), when you say "''I don't think that we should use transwiki as an excuse for saving material that may be considered good but is useless for the community''", that is just what we normally do, it is not for us to decide what another community sees as useless we only "have power" about what is on this project, and there is no other way to do it unless as I propose we reverse the practice of transwiki so that you aspiration about point c) is realized. ::Another point is that as you state when participating in a RfD we are not only validating content for Wikibooks but also examining the value of the work, a requirement for your points a) b), this effort that we make when participating on a RfD if extended a little bit further can help on archival to indicate to future Wikibookians or even outside communities that some works do have some other intrinsic value. This is not only helpful for us but for the contributor that took the time to commit the work to us and in the future it can serve to rescue some works if and when the views of our or other community changes, it is clear to anyone participating on the RfDs that the outcome are often inconsistent and extremely dependent on the ones participating on the process. It is my strong belief that this is not only beneficial to us but that we owe this consideration to the volunteers that do provide us the content. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC) [[Comment Withdrawn]] [[Comment Withdrawn]] {{hidden|Comment Withdrawn --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)| ::::<s>You lost me on "you and I have different perceptions about what is normally happening", since we are both participating on the RfDs what is happening is clearly stated on the argumentations we normally use there, so I find it strange that you never noticed my position on the subject before but seem invested in refuting it here.</s> ::::.<s>But clearly you are missing things that do happen on the RfDs, when you say "''Further I would not want the vote to have any connotation the the content is or is not trash.''", this already happens (need examples?) and when you say "''My point stands that the vote to transwiki (or what ever you wish to call it) does not, and should not, imply an endorsement of quality by the editors here.''", this also happens today, you can clearly go now to the RfD and see a proposal about OR that has a majority position for deletion, we all know OR place is Wikiversity, can you state that an evaluation of the content isn't performed ?.</s> ::::.<s>Even your argument "''There are many modules beyond any individuals level of expertise in many fields, and at some level our ability to discern meaningful content from nonsense breaks down.''", that clearly is valid, but collapses as a base of opposition because you are not obligated to participate in every RfD. I do excuse myself on these grounds from participation today..</s> ::::.<s>So can you clarify what you mean in your vote for a transwiki that is different from what I do. (I don't believe you do anything different, we seem just take different conclusions from it).</s> ::::.<s>All Wikibookians are volunteers it is not up to you to impose a requirement on any Wikibookians, I was politely excluding myself from that particular game that wasn't leading to what I requested in the first place, a request that devolves in an imposition is completely different from a commonly accepted practice where we have Wikibookians dedicated in facilitating those action and even if you don't have accounts others do or will volunteer to provide the service if the community sees a benefit in it, and at least one of the persons that has done transwikis to Wikiversity sees a benefit in having a closer relation with other communities in this respect, in any case the burden will be reduced as it will remove unproductive actions and has the chance of bringing new people to the project. Me requesting a transwiki to Wikiversity without being active in that community would be as false as pushing it in the first place..</s> ::::.<s>I don't recall in what context I labeled you a deletionist, a deletionist to me is someone that deletes or promotes the deletion of more content than he creates or promotes to create, this without any direct good or bad connotations, mostly based on the position taken on RfDs, content contributions, merges, etc, not counting administrative deletions. As a matter of curiosity I did a check on the present RfD page and still see an inclination for delete support, this is all very unscientific, but could also be related to why you have difficulty attributing levels of quality to the works.</s> --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 15:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC) }} [[Comment Withdrawn]] {{hidden|Comment Withdrawn --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 01:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)| :::::: <s>People do often misunderstand each-others and by only interacting in writing this problem is exponentiated, but sadly what I've read in this thread is unshakable intention to be unreachable, that is why I state that you have a problem accepting others opinions as having value if they don't conform to your views, rare is the case where you have made a compromise and here again is demonstrated that you are not willing to accept to grant me and my view point an expression, even considering that you will not block my freedom to in the next RfDs express my position as I will, and the point that I was proposing that was in fact originated by our discussion of your talk pages (going from "pushing" the content to request a "pull") first you state that as your preferred option and then object to it, again how is this productive or the derailing the discussion with references to matters outside of the scope of the discussion or has taken place in your talk pages under a specific context....</s> ::::::.<s> Again I refuse to participate in this game. I think my time attempting to reach an understanding has been lost especially if after all I attempted to demonstrate as the goals and benefits you only see that "this discussion is about icons". Geez Louise...</s> --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC) }} :Ok, I have withdrawn any objections, please continue the conversation with the other contributors. [[User:Thenub314|<span style="color: #CC2200 ;">Thenub314</span>]] ([[User talk:Thenub314|<span style="color: #CC2200 ;">talk</span>]]) 00:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC) === Reshuffle 1 === As could have been expected by some and it is now clear, Wikibookians aren't basing their stance on RfDs discussions on the same sets of requirements. This reinforces the understanding that arguments behind the positions is what really counts on those discussion, sadly enough we often use the simple count of the positions, not the value of the arguments used and this of course has implication on how the discussions are closed.<br> One of the reasons why I advanced the idea of a simple rename was to clarify and aggregate similar positions around the value of the content. But one must realize that the use of the position indicator icon seems to make things that already start by promoting a deletion worse and invite the felling of a "vote", with supporting "votes" often reinforcing the acceptance of the request and reducing the chance of anyone putting forward a challenge to the final deletion.<br> Taking in account the increased (and recently even if partly as a joke) expression of dislike for votes the RfD still suffers from being seen as a vote (even the rename hasn't helped changing things much), should we drop the icon completely and restructure the formalization of a RfD as a request for Wikibookias to state opposition to it and for instance add time-out for holding for the participation of the work's editor/community, to be given a chance to be the first reply to the request. In a similar way to what we do for example for some of the system flags.<br> This of course without disregarding what was already said and not discarding the beneficial changes that can be made to he transwiki decision.<br> Does any one oppose dropping the use of the icons and restructuring the RfD around a request for opposition and comments ? Or a better idea to avoid the use of icons that permits seemingly equal, but different positions, as to valued to be <u>counted</u> together. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 07:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :I think we're all clear that voting is evil, and that RFDs aren't votes. I don't think there's any [[wikt:if it ain't broke, don't fix it|problem]] with RFD, except perhaps the subtle and linguistically challenging difficulty that because "vote" is such a short and common word, it's easy to fall carelessly into the shorthand of calling the declarations of position in such discussions "votes". I'll be amazed if I hadn't slipped up that way myself from time to time. The only thing I think we might do to improve the RFD process is to find another short common word to use instead of "vote" (clearly the word "vote" gets no serious competition from "declaration of position"), and then find ways to embed that different word in our idioms and habits. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 16:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC) ::I do think that, well I won't call it broken, but it has problems and it can be improved. The topmost one is that people working on the projects are rarely present in the discussions, and in the instances that they are, few cases end in a satisfactory way so that the "responsible" Wikibookian understand why the work has been deleted, that we recognize the effort made. Mostly by the RfD action we alienate people from the project. ::The process also is unbalance regarding re-evaluations, a process that is keep can be continuously evaluated until someone manages to pass a deletion, undeletion request only occur shortly after the deletion, probably because they lose completely any visibility and are relegated to the archives without any special distinction. RfDs are in general unfavorable to abandoned works. ::On the issue of transwikis we already seen that some of the closes as transwiki are null actions, and minority views on a transwiki aren't considered even if they in what relates to us are equal to deletions (on the context of RfDs), and the fulfillment of the closing verdict isn't guaranteeable. ::Most of the RfD are direct and clear, the only issue arises is when the work under RfD isn't clearly rejected by the WB:WIW (mostly because of OR considerations) or has other intrinsic value incompatible with Wikibooks. ::It is also clear that there has been inconsistencies and confusion on the closing RfD discussions, that in cleanup spreed a deletionist frenzy is created and that band-wagoning occurs. Supporting votes are unnecessary most of the times and the request intention is not always clear (if really promoting a deletion or merely asking). ::Another point is that we are losings relevant work, even if evaluation of the works under RfD is only assumed (there is no way to know how informed anyone is before he takes a position, unless he makes an argument in support of that possible), I always presumed (and it seems I was wrong) that when analyzing works people did it in broader terms, even if not in compliance with our project, in most cases people attempted to make a judgment regarding a works worth. I for once have always expressed what I found good about any type of work on my comments and posterity is losing a chance to easily benefit from this quality analysis that would at least help at a later time find a new life to the free content that was provided to us. ::The final item is that the icons we use to distinguish positions, do serve to do head counts, that are indeed votes and numbers do in fact shape the outcome and as seen in the parent thread not all icons mean the same to all, so I do think we can do better. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 19:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC) :: Maybe "view", "stance", "point", "debate", "aim", ...? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC) After surveying the discussion, I feel the second part of Panic's original proposal (making it mandatory to notify the receiving end of a transwiki) is really important. There is no need, however, for it to be accompanied by changes of terminology, abolishment of voting icons and similar changes to the RfD process. At the end of the day, no amounts of linguistic sugarcoating will completely quench the (instinctive?) urge of editors to attempt vote-counting or to join groupthink. The only effective way to tackle that is developing a suitable culture among contributors, and from my brief experience here I think our progress in that direction has been quite decent in fact. Finally, I should add that I find rather unsettling the idea that Panic, as I understood it, appears to outline on the "losing relevant work" paragraph above, namely that our collective inability to judge the Worth of a book should be an argument for inclusionism. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 01:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :The change of terminology is not a change in regards of function but clarification about the aggregation of similar judgments. When someone puts a "stance" for transwiki (with the icon) most of the time they have done an assessment of the content in relation to at least the target of the proposed transwiki (some do more than that), it is important to safeguard that assessment work as a different tag on closing the discussion, it is important to make clear that even minority views on transwiki should be taken in account. It must be made clear that transwikis are not guaranteed and not all content determined as unfit for Wikibooks is equal or transwikable. :So yes we have a problem about preserving the work that is done on RfDs, and a responsibility in protecting all contributed freed content (deletion is not an irreversible process), even if we haven't a use for it now, it is important to get this translated on the way we archive the discussion. Do you see any problem in this premises ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 02:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :I didn't understand why the idea the unsettled you, to err is to be human, but I do you like to err on the side of safety, especially when dealing with volunteer work in the job of the evaluation and the contributions. It is should be clear to all that with open collaboration comes unknown consistency, there is no way around that, unless standard are elevated and participation made hard, if that is promoting "inclusionism" then yes I think we should or at least more than we are now, kept works can always be improved. (Keep in mind that the project is funded by donation) --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 03:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC) ::While I do think we should not stifle contribution by imposing overzealous standards and give due weight to the potential of a book when ruling on its destiny, once we start thinking too much about "analysing in broader terms" or "posterity" we can become too scared to draw a line and stand for project scope. For kept works are not only improved on but developed towards some goal, and despite our limited capabilities as volunteers we are supposed to judge whether that goal fits with the bigger picture of Wikibooks. In other words, the main issue would be to which extent we are (morally?) responsible for "protecting all contributed freed content" beyond the educational resources we intend Wikibooks to be made of. --[[User:Duplode|Duplode]] ([[User talk:Duplode|talk]]) 03:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC) :::Ok so we seem to be in accord that raising the standards isn't something we want at least for now with the level of participation we have (I never proposed that in relation to this discussion, I said it is the only way to guarantee consistency). If you look on the RfD most of them are easy decisions. What we have trouble dealing is with the works that fall in the gay area of what is acceptable by WB:WIW, we rarely have people working intentionally outside of the scope of the project. I think small changes in the formalism can serve to reduce alienating contributors and improve the situation without doing any damage. How much we change is open to debate, I started only proposing a rename of the "transwiki" icon to "savable" but after the first round of discussion it seems that the icons itself and how they influence RfD closing to count position and not the power of arguments should be considered. :::We are morally responsible to the degree we can and are willing to be, in fact, as I said, all the deleted content remains on the system, we could attempt to improve the RfDs to serve as an indication about what is deleted, for instance with special categories that can be used as we archive the discussions, without any special work on our part. Even failed transwikis could be reassessed later by the project that refused them, standards are always in flux, consider for instance the possibility that we decided to cover again video games manuals, working on our archived discussions would be a daunting task. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 04:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC) Just a reminder about this proposal discussion. Does anyone object to stop using the the "stance" icons and to the requirement that every RfD that promotes a transwiki be closed stating that the work request for transwiki was acceptance by the destination community (or not) or if no destination is no found for "savable" content (not an empty stub or trash, that it has some other intrinsic value) that the the closing statement indicates it as it is deleted ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 22:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC) :This discussion was too long and convoluted for me to follow, but I plan to continue to use stance icons. To me if a discussion ends on a transwiki, if it's not accepted at the destination, then it's deleted here as it's been indicated to be out of scope. As for an alternative to vote, the standard at Wikipedia is to use !vote. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 22:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC) : I disagree with your assessment that people often just count positions, though I do think more people should include a rationale or explanation of why a discussion was closed. I think "keep" or "delete" alone is not a rationale or explanation of why a discussion was closed, in the same way as saying "keep" or "delete" within a discussion without an explanation as to why, is reason enough to disregard that comment. : "stance" icons are a convenience that people decided to use on their own without prompting or requirement that they be used. I believe there should continue to be no requirements one way or another to their use. I believe anyone that agrees will stop using them, and anyone that objects will continue to use them. : I disagree with closing a tranwiki discussion until the target destination has been informed and has had reasonable amount of time to decide whether it wants the work or not, unless people in the discussion have clearly indicated that they support deletion if the target destination is unwilling to take it. I wouldn't object to asking people to clarify what they think should be done with the work if the target destination doesn't want it, so that people don't need to be asked later should the target destination not want it and discussion doesn't need to remain open. Asking people questions on what you don't understand is probably the ideal outcome. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC) == Editor threshold == I've heard that WikiJunior edits don't count toward the 100 edits needed to not be reviewed. I think that WikiJunior book edits should count toward the 100. That's the proposal. [[User:Purplebackpack89|Purplebackpack89]] ([[User talk:Purplebackpack89|talk]]) 03:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC) :This change is already in the works, along with a large package of other configuration changes that include somewhat reducing a couple of the other criteria for autopromotion. Having achieved consensus, we submitted a bugzilla request for the reconfiguration. How long it will take before the changes are made remains to be seen. It's a big change, and there was recently some confusion over the proof of consensus &mdash; due, it appears, to the humongous size of the discussion that led to consensus. As of this writing that discussion is still visible above on this page, at {{nowrap|[[#Reconfigure Wikibooks]]}}; in fact, it's larger than everything else now on this page put together. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 06:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC) ::I think it will pass. Even Thenub supports the implementation though he opposed the proposal. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 08:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC) == Autoconfirmation == (Oh, well. There are lots of long discussions going on. I guess there's no crime in starting another.) So, anyway, I'm not a big fan of the current autoconfirmation system. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but IMHO, the current autoconfirmation system is close to useless. I don't understand why someone's account only has to be four days old to get to edit semiprotected pages, move pages etc. It's quite pointless isn't it? If someone wants to do page move vandalism or vandalise semiprotected pages, they just need to wait 4D. Or, maybe someone created an account months ago and decided to come round and vandalise when he was bored. I propose either tightening the autoconfirmation criterion, or getting rid of it once and for all. A good example would be the English WP, where your account must be a few days old AND have made ten edits. We don't have to be as mean as the Chinese WP (50 edits), not even like English WP. Maybe make a new account make five edits before it can get autoconfirmed. That way, if he's a vandal by the time he can edit semiprotected pages or do page move vandalism, he's blocked. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 04:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC) : I thought about bringing that up when we did the reconfiguration before, but I didn't want to risk compromising the potential for the proposal to pass. I wasn't quite sure there would be support for it. Adding an edit requirement and even going as far as Wikipedia in not allowing unregistered users to create new pages would probably stop some vandalism. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::I oppose to not allowing unregistered users to create new pages. According to my experience, page creation vandalism is much more frequent in WB than WP. On the other hand, regular vandalism is much more frequent in WP than WB. So I suspect the vandals create new pages here, thereby leaving our original pages alone. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 12:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :::Can you clarify your position? I can't tell for sure whether you want unregistered users to be able to create pages or whether you don't (the wording of the first sentence is the problem for me). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 13:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::::I want unregistered users to be able to create pages. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 13:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :::::So you suspect it pushes the vandals to vandalize where they can. To play [[wikt:devil's advocate|devil's advocate]], what's to say they wouldn't then make five hard-to-spot vandal edits before then hitting up a major page, creating more work in reverting? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::::::Have you ever reverted a hard-to-spot vandalism? :) [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 14:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :::::::[http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_Administrator%27s_Handbook/Sidebar&diff=next&oldid=1885000 Yes], [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Embedded_Systems/8051_Microcontroller&diff=prev&oldid=1872481 I] [http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=BASIC_Programming/Beginning_BASIC/Your_First_Program&diff=prev&oldid=1873214 have]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC) :::I also oppose to not allowing unregistered users to create new pages. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|talk]]) 16:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC) ::::@Adrignola: *RED FACED* however, Adrignola those are test edits. Is there any particular reason that you don't want IPs to make new pages? [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 06:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC) :::::It's not a strong position, but if anything, I would expect them to be unfamiliar with Wikibooks conventions such as the naming policy and the scope of the project and would want them to work with some existing pages to get a feel for things before starting a new book. But then this prevents creation of subpages of a book from red links. Yet another limitation of the software: no way to allow creation of subpages but delay creation of new book root pages. Many times it's difficult to tell whether a new root page is a "test edit" as you call it above or a genuine attempt at a new book. Yes, we have {{tl|query}} for that, but that's my assessment of the situation. Let's focus on your main concern: autoconfirmation criteria. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 12:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC) <nowiki><<break>></nowiki> Ten edits look fine to me. At [[w:simple:]] we are talking about it too. '''—[[User:I-20|<span style="color:black">I-20</span>]][[User talk:I-20|<span style="vertical-align:super;">the highway</span>]]''' 06:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC) :I think the devil's advocate probably had the right of it: requiring an edit count for autopromotion will just create a new incentive for hard-to-spot vandalism. The primary function of autoconfirmation is to gently steer the mischief of ''casual'' vandals; a lot of vandals are just messing around on the spur of the moment, and aren't going to remain interested for several days to get autoconfirmation. The ones who do remain interested for several days are a different ilk, and even the ones who, in the event, lose interest in less than a few days might have been [[wikt:incentivize|incentivized]] in the meantime. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|talk]]) 13:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC) ::FWIW, I-20's discussion is at [[w:simple:Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 85#autoconfirmed users|here it is]]. [[User:Kayau|Kayau]] ( [[User talk:Kayau|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] ) 07:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC) b9r2rjk6k04pwo8bqqshx8gtrafqrfr 0 237398 4639461 4639287 2026-06-09T09:01:49Z Jeff1138 301139 4639461 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel 7500U 7200U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed and internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS untested || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error or usb2 kitty eyes || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 0fgmdskkfiz04njytrmlzs4e78zjlde 4639463 4639461 2026-06-09T09:08:38Z Jeff1138 301139 4639463 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel 7500U tested '''7200U''' N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal cdrw dvdrw reboot loop}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS untested || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 9sl0etrtz4ck50ljk1mj6nrtu89er05 4639464 4639463 2026-06-09T09:09:19Z Jeff1138 301139 4639464 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal cdrw dvdrw reboot loop}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS untested || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} q96ghfvktnhyut9whpquk49dgstdvla 4639465 4639464 2026-06-09T09:12:41Z Jeff1138 301139 4639465 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal cdrw dvdrw reboot loop}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} h57byy13436sgektji68bd7pck8m5r1 4639466 4639465 2026-06-09T09:16:43Z Jeff1138 301139 4639466 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal cdrw dvdrw reboot loop}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} tepodyvxpdsc8iygh1p2rsycp0pliwc 4639467 4639466 2026-06-09T09:19:46Z Jeff1138 301139 4639467 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal cdrw dvdrw reboot loop}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} flu8u80jueb35ccnpscn4qoalrmgefd 4639469 4639467 2026-06-09T09:41:59Z Jeff1138 301139 4639469 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal cdrw dvdrw reboot loop}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 1z8v0mduno4kv4tqbbfc02i43hvtt8l 4639470 4639469 2026-06-09T09:46:56Z Jeff1138 301139 4639470 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 cmos battery and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U, i3-6006U or N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel tested '''7200U''' untested 7500U N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 sata or 2.5in whichever installed with 1 m.2 permanent and internal dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime or dvd reboot loop || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U, i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error everytime || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} k74cn3tofqh2afsdgez4zkafygjybo7 5 244983 4639400 1992121 2026-06-08T18:47:27Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639400 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Scope== I more thorough description of the project would be good. I would say that I try to do a lot of work "behind the scenes to improve and maintain the usability and welcoming atmosphere of Wikibooks" but so far most of the content here is related to technical aspects. I could see this project encompassing the help namespace as well with just that generic description. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 18:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC) : I want it to encompass the help namespace and a lot of work that isn't included yet too. I think most of the behind the scenes stuff goes hand in hand even if often times people are working alone and without a common goal in mind. I was adding things to start with that relate to my more immediate goals with the hope that other people would add in any behind the scene stuff they want to work on and felt was left out. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:00, 5 December 2010 (UTC) : Or if other people didn't, I would add more later as my focus shifts. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC) : I am not sure how to more thoroughly describe this project. Many people have lists of things they want to do, or would like to see get done that relate to Wikibooks in general like the Working on list you have on your user page, often people have similar lists with perhaps little time to work on them alone, often these lists get very little attention or public visibility, sometimes people give up on their lists, and there hasn't been a place to share these lists and discover that other people want to do the same things. That is what this project is intended to change. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC) hfp9d1q6889v0y9fmxkppvythuywd7q 4 249271 4639395 4623558 2026-06-08T18:40:51Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639395 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == I'd like to wikiobookify "Optimizing Code for Speed" == Hi all, [[Optimizing Code for Speed]] should be wikibookified per the request of a moderator (which prevents making it a 100% completion status.). I don't mind it being split into pages, but I'd like to know how to do it exactly. Is there a script somewhere or a page explaining the process? [[User:Shlomif|Shlomif]] ([[User talk:Shlomif|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shlomif|contribs]]) :It's really simple. Just copy the contents of each of the sections into a subpage. for example, the introduction goes to [[Optimizing Code for Speed/Introduction]]. After you've done that, turn the book into a table of contents. You can see how this is done by looking at a random book. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 13:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC) == Quizzes and Exams == Hey guys, do we have a multiple choice quiz function on the English wikibooks? On the Icelandic wikibooks, we have <nowiki><quiz display=simple></nowiki> and we can produce a nice self assessment on Wikibooks. See [http://is.wikibooks.org/wiki/Enska/L%C3%A6r%C3%B0u_ensku_1/Spurningakeppni_A here]. If we do, what's the code? Thanks! --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Girdi|contribs]]) 01:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC) :That is possible there by virtue of the [[mw:Extension:Quiz|Quiz extension]] installed. We would have to show consensus and file a request for it to be installed here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC) :: Ah I see. So let's do it! It'd be great for many of these books to incorporate an interactive quiz function. Where do we start the consensus? :) --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Girdi|contribs]]) 13:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC) ::: The best place would be [[WB:Reading room/Proposals]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 14:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC) == "Future of Wikimedia" == Came across this recently-created essay. It's an interesting examination and helps foster thoughts on long-term planning. See [[m:User:Yair rand/Future of Wikimedia]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 05:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC) : That's a refreshing contrast to the usual "we should put all our resources into Wikipedia, and the unimportant side projects are welcome to try to survive". (It's also interesting to me as a Wikinewsie that, while I agree ''that'' it has massive potential, I disagree with or doubt other things said about it, and feel Wikinews's current key challenge is missing from the account... but I digress.&nbsp;:-) : Regarding Wikibooks, I'm interested that the author draws xyr correspondence between Wikibooks and Wikipedia by analogizing our books to Wikipedia's ''pages''. I disagree with that. An independent project has the psychologically significant property that its mainspace text wikilinks are internal to the project. :* Wikinews suffers, psychologically, because its mainspace text wikilinks are often, in some articles almost entirely, to Wikipedia. (I mean to do something about that... again I digress.) :* Wikipedia mainspace text mostly wikilinks to Wikipedia pages. :* Wiktionary mainspace text mostly wikilinks to Wiktionary pages. :* But Wikibooks mainspace text, once it matures, mostly wikilinks ''within the same book''. So each book feels like an independent project, analogous not to a single Wikipedia page but to the whole of Wikipedia &mdash; only with such a small scope that it's almost impossible to build and maintain a significant contributing community. This also explains the difficulty with a single person writing a book by xyrself. : Moving forward, we may view ourselves as shepherds of a very large flock of tiny projects (though it may be less like herding sheep, and more like [[wikt:herding cats|herding cats]]). Obvious subgoals include :* helping users find a book they might be interested in contributing to. (Goes back to my thoughts on keyword searching.&nbsp;:-) :* helping a book to establish and maintain a coherent style despite long dry spells between significant contributions: it should be possible to pick up an "abandoned" book without having to reinvent the wheel (unless, of course, one wants to). If I chose a random book, even a random book whose subject I'm competent in, and tried to contribute to it, I might have to either ignore the intended organization, and thus potentially degrade it, or spend a pile of up-front time figuring out how the book was meant to be organized and how, if at all, I feel it ought to be reorganized. Even with that effort, subtle aspects of the previously envisioned organization might never become evident to me. My point is, we want to make it easier for the past contributors to a book to successfully liaise with later contributors across time. :* helping books to coordinate with each other, for synergy. An obvious goal, that falls trippingly off the tongue and is very hard to know how to go about. : --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 13:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC) ::Someone recently made the point that we're like a collection of wikis within one. That matches up with your comments and recent discussions at [[Wikibooks talk:Incubator]]. I do find the essay's overall theme, "a Wikipedia surrounded by successful projects will have a far better future than without" to be insightful. The cross-wiki watchlists and bug fixes/feature requests would help to encourage greater participation. The software is deficient in supporting the idea of wikis within a wiki, from watching a book at once to per-book CSS/JavaScript. As Wikipedia is quite mature, the opportunity for growth is at the other projects. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 16:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC) == Page counts are incorrect == It appears that a definition I read somewhere about pages having to be in a content namespace and '''having a link to another page''' for them to be counted as content pages in [[Special:Statistics]] is correct. I checked the value of <nowiki>{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}</nowiki> before and after adding a link to a page with none ([[.NET Development Foundation/Iterators]]), for example, and it caused the value to increment. It's too bad [[Special:DeadendPages]] is disabled. The implications of this are that the values shown on the main page, in the local statistics, at stats.wikimedia.org, and especially in [[m:List of Wikimedia projects by size]] all severely under-report our progress. [[A-level Chemistry/AQA/Module 5/Periodicity]] with all its content wouldn't be counted, for instance. I've found that [[w:Wikipedia:Dead-end pages]] has instructions that will produce a list of pages that can then have navigation templates applied, rectifying the count. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 21:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC) :It can be changed to count commas instead of links - [[mw:Manual:$wgUseCommaCount]]. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bawolff|contribs]]) 22:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC) ::A good find! Too bad it doesn't apply retroactively. Maybe the developers would run the update script. We need to show consensus for changing $wgUseCommaCount to true here, though. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC) :::Given the general lack of wikilinks here - especially as we encourage a book navigation structure - I think using the comma count method is both sensible and likely to gain consensus. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</sapn>]]} 15:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::Just a question... why commas? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 15:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::because that's the only other option the MediaWiki software supports [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::: Maybe if we ask developers nicely other options could be added. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::: yes, despite my glib answer I did think that... I struggled a bit to get beyond why any character (i.e., a page length > 1) wouldn't be the most sensible option. Presumably there was some logic in choosing "wikilink or comma" as the options but I can't think of one. Perhaps a <nowiki>{</nowiki> would be a good choice for us as most / all pages will include a transcluded template? [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 16:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::: I think the problem with wikilinks could be fixed for Wikibooks if the criteria for it were the use of wikilinks on a page OR a page is linked to from another page. Generally books have a table of contents with wikilinks to their pages, so if the criteria were updated to that than just having a table of contents should be enough to ensure all its pages were counted. Another option I can think of would be to count all pages which are categorized. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::::: Wondering, could we hotwire {{tl|BookCat}} so that every page (or every content-space page) it's on would have a link, without causing that link to be obnoxiously visible? (And how much of a problem would it then be that we're not using {{tl|BookCat}} in Cookbook space?) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 19:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::::: If links through template inclusion were enough to have a page counted, I think most pages would already be counted due to the use of navigational aids. I wonder if page statistics even matter. Other than to perhaps determine average book length, I think how many books Wikibooks has is the statistics that is most relevant to us. I think counting pages based on template inclusion is a good idea, but I think multiple ways for a page to be counted would help to ensure more pages are counted without people having to go out of their way to make sure a page is counted. Another option could be the presents of any one of "!", "?", or "." since at least one is guaranteed to be present in properly formed sentence. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::: We can wish for many things, but any significant feature requests requiring new code rather than configuration changes seem to just flounder in the bug reporting system for years. Changing this configuration value will at least increase accuracy in the meantime. Page statistics do matter with regards to mindshare. If charts at stats.wikimedia.org make it appear that we are stagnating, the foundation will not see it as a priority to have the developers handle the big feature requests outstanding for Wikibooks (such as watching a whole book at once), people primarily contributing to Wikipedia will not want to invest time in a "second-class" project, and changes to extensions such as Flagged Revisions will continue to not be discussed with us ahead of time. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 00:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC) <small>Positions at [[WB:PROPOSALS|proposals reading room]].</small> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 23:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]] == Hello, I've installed [[wikt:fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]] from [[wikt:pl:MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]. It adds the text treatment functions: "go to line n°", "change the capitalization", "search and replace" (eventually "replace all"). [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sonia|contribs]]) 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :I'm not sure that would be needed. I can click "Advanced" in the Vector toolbar, then on [[File:Vector toolbar search-replace button.png|link=]] to get a search and replace box that allows for case sensitive operations and replacement of all terms. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC) ::I've just developed an additional button to sort alphabetically a list. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 16:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC) == weird tabs == Hi all, I've had this strange issue with vector on wikibooks recently, where the tabs on vector and the search bar are all duplicated at the bottom of the page below the categories. As I'm currently unable to upload to commons, I can't provide a screenshot- has anyone else had a similar problem? [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sonia|contribs]]) 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :It's almost like you have the "Bottom tabs" gadget in [[Special:Preferences]] enabled, but as far as I was aware it only worked for Monobook and hadn't been updated for Vector. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :: I think it is possible that gadget is enabled. I had updated that gadget to work with both Monobook and Vector some time ago. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :::Might be a problem with the recent maintenance. Have you purged and cleared your cache? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :::Yeah, it's the gadget, as Sonia's description matches what I see when enabling it. It was probably updated since Sonia was last here. I updated the description of it to reflect Darklama's update. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 16:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC) ::::Heh- I hadn't even realized that was enabled. Thanks all, and sorry for the unnecessary question :P [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sonia|contribs]]) 05:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC) == Mathematical equation entry == I am wondering what the formatting code is for entry of mathematical equations? I would like to be able to generate formulas in my native math applications and convert them to a code that Wikibooks will understand. [[User:Kurtfairfield|Kurtfairfield]] ([[User talk:Kurtfairfield|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kurtfairfield|contribs]]) 00:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC) : You might find this helpful: [[Wikibooks:WikiProject Mathematics#Typesetting]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 02:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC) == 1.17 Update == Some issues I've seen, and I don't know whether or not they are temporary: [[Template:Navbox]] is not styled; the protection icons via [[Template:pp-meta]] are not in the correct location anymore, the default style of wikitables has changed (good thing, we don't need purple clashing with everything), the [[Template:Mbox|Mbox]] suite is not styled. Very odd because the big thing was a change to JavaScript implementation, not CSS. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC) : I hope the issues are temporary as well. You could say there are two big changes actually. MediaWiki 1.17 is intended to speed up load time and decrease hits to their servers, if I understand correctly, by combining, compressing, and anticipating what JavaScript and CSS is or is not needed. I believe this second big change is intended to not to have any visibly noticeable affect though, besides people possibly noticing pages load faster. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ::I think I know what the problem is, though I only know of one solution to fix it. The linked CSS pages at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] are not loading. Only solution would be to combine them again. Most Wikimedia sites don't try to do what we are doing here. I will maybe file a bug report. MediaWiki namespace syntax highlighting can be removed ([[bugzilla:10871|bug 10871]]). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ::: I think in theory at least this should be fixable locally without a need to combine them again. Would be a pity if all that effort to make our CSS more manageable and the discussion of specific CSS problems easier went to waste. I think it should be reported as a bug though, as it may be an unintended side effect. If you do decide to report it, make sure to file it as a 1.17 bug. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ::::Reported as [[bugzilla:27328|bug 27328]]. Closed as WONTFIX with comment "Site CSS is loaded from load.php instead of index.php. You have to add "index.php" before the question mark." That doesn't make sense. If it's loaded from load.php, shouldn't it have load.php before the question mark? [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/Infobox.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css This gets content], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/Infobox.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css this doesn't], and [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/load.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/Infobox.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css neither does this]. Maybe it makes sense to you? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 15:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC) :::::: The problem seems to be the minimization library they use does not yet support remapping urls used in import statements. The bug now sits at REOPENED, so hopefully that is a sign someone is now willing to work on it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::There's an [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/textbook-l/2011-February/001577.html IRC meeting] for you to attend, Darklama. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::: Unfortunately I seem to keep missing those IRC meetings. We should be fine, unless there are any more undocumented surprises. They say the office hour meetings are logged, so I should be able to read through that, if I miss the IRC meeting again. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::::}} I managed to attend the office hour IRC meeting this time. The good news, right now this bug is considered a blocker that will need to be fixed before 1.17 is released. Other than that, I think as a community, we probably need to discuss what if anything to do about scripts in user space. People sometimes copy scripts from other wikimedia projects, and don't keep up with changes made to fix bugs and updates to mediawiki. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :We don't have any gadgets that reference scripts in user space, but my concern would be whether our gadgets are getting dated, with too many that won't work with Vector (and thus appear to be broken to new users using the default theme and not knowing about Monobook) and whether they will work after the update (or even whether they have been unmaintained and could break any day now&mdash;Whiteknight's Visual Book Designer). Short of using a bot to replace functions that are clear replacements, I feel scripts in user space should be maintained by the user. If they were created across multiple wikis, [[User:Pathoschild|Pathoschild]] has a bot that will update CSS/JS globally for a user seeking to update. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 20:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :: People asked would things break at the meeting. 1.17 is intended to maintain backwards compatibility according to the mediawiki developers. I think the mediawiki developers don't expect things to break, but will fix them if they do and are reported to bugzilla. The old methods will still be around in 1.17. :: When Wikibooks was updated to 1.16 I began to update scripts in MediaWiki space to keep on top of things. While I trust the mediawiki developers to keep things working right now, I have doubts the Wikibooks community will be informed should a decision be made to remove the old methods in a future release. I think the best way to avoid surprises is to update sooner rather than later as we know about it. :: I think scripts in user space should be updated to avoid surprises too, I just don't know whose responsibility we should consider it to be to do so. People may want to know why things aren't working as they use to at some point. Should people be informed before, or should we be dealing with questions later? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::Well, you do have a handy-dandy list at [[Wikibooks:WikiProject Users/Tasks]]. We could place a standardized message on the discussion page of all the users affected by the changes, thus informing them and also heading off any questions later. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 22:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::: Ya, I included user pages in that list to make doing whatever is decided easier. Some seem to be copies of Gadgets, which suggest maybe not enough is being done to make people aware of the gadgets. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC) Bug closed as fixed in 82218. We are on 82223 and the original relative links don't work. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC) :Note for others: the above bug was reopened. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 18:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC) Transwiki imports are semi-broken with the update. See [[bugzilla:27486|bug 27486]]. You'll have to choose "all" as the destination namespace to attribute Wikipedia properly as the source, for now, and you can't import to a different namespace than the one you're pulling from. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 18:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC) == Books for examination == An IP editor has, over time, created several books that are often poorly translated. Several pages of them were blatant copyright violations of Wikipedia content and I have deleted those pages but others are probably taken only partly from Wikipedia. The content appears to be copied/translated from vi.wikibooks.org given that some of the images used here are used there in books that appear to cover the same topics. This is likely the same editor who created ''Arithmatics'' which was moved to ''Arithmetics'' and [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Arithmetics|deleted]], ''Mathematics Fundamental'' which was moved to ''Mathematics Fundamentals'' and [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Mathematics Fundamentals|deleted]], and ''Physics Handbook'' which was [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Physics Handbook|deleted]]. I deleted the recently-created ''Electronics Course'' entirely as it was complete copy-pastes of ''Electronics Handbook''. If this person created an account they could track their contribution history instead of forgetting and creating the same thing four months later under a new IP… [[Arithmetic Course]], [[Calculus Course]], [[Trigonometry Course]], [[Geometry Course]], [[Electronics Handbook]], [[Physics Course]], [[Digital Electronics]], [[Communication Course]] are ones I can think of off the top of my head in case anyone sees any other problems that I've missed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 02:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC) :I believe all these books are being written by a guy called Quach Trung Thanh of Toronto, as several of them have this name as the author on their title page. In 2009 he used the accounts [[User:Quachtahnh]] and [[User:Qtt1964]], but since then he has prefered not to log in for some reason. As far as I can tell, he has never actually responded to any comments or requests. You have to admire his persistence though, even if his way of working can be rather exasperating. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Recent Runes|contribs]]) 21:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC) == Statistics == It's been asked of me before and I recently got a request through OTRS for whether or not there's a tool for seeing page views at Wikibooks (we don't have [[Wikibooks:Statistics]]). Previously I didn't know of any but I recently heard that a tool normally used just for Wikipedia can be "hacked" to output results for Wikibooks. *Visit http://stats.grok.se/en.b/top for the top 1000 pages and ignore the "Wikipedia article traffic statistics" title. *Add the page you want to know about in particular to the end of <tt><nowiki>http://stats.grok.se/en.b/201102/</nowiki></tt> for February statistics. The end is YYYYMM, so you can change the value in the address bar for older months. The interface and forms of the site cannot be used; doing so reverts it back to Wikipedia. Would you believe that 18 of the top 30 spots are held by pages in [[LaTeX]]? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 00:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC) : Wikibooks use to keep track of pretty good statistics useful for book projects, until the format of the data dumps changed from SQL to XML. Would just require motivated individuals to do so again. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC) : Here's a rough example of the type of statistics Wikibooks use to have: :# [[File:Increase.svg|12px|link=]] Cookbook (<span style="color:green">+120</span>) :# [[File:Increase.svg|12px|link=]] LaTeX (<span style="color:green">+50</span>) :# [[File:Decrease.svg|12px|link=]] Rubik Puzzles (<span style="color:red;">-20</span>) : Where the arrow indicated whether contributions went up or down since last time for the given book, and the number in parenthesis represented the contribution difference since last time. I'd like to see such a system in use again. I think it acts as a good motivator and can encourage people. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 10:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC) ::Well, I'm motivated and have the latest XML dump, but don't have the technical expertise to know where to go from there. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC) ::: Ya, I was thinking of ways statistics could be made easier for people without the skills to do so. I had thought to file a bug report requesting the statistics at http://stats.wikimedia.org be made available in xml dump form. I found bug [[bugzilla:26352|#26352]] though, which is a request to make statistics available by an API. I think that would be even better. Apparently there are dumps already available at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/ for the page view statistics of all projects. I would like it better if dumps were separated by project though. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC) == Disappearance of Private WikiBook == I had created a Wikibook that was 56 pages in length. I attempted to create a Chapter and the book suddenly had no content. When I was in a Wikipedia article, the book creator showed that I had 56 pages, however, when I went to add page, the book was empty of content. Are there length restrictions on Wikibooks, and if so, can advance notification be given by the system administrator so that the book can be saved before elimination? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:98.94.81.35|98.94.81.35]] ([[User talk:98.94.81.35|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/98.94.81.35|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> : As confusing as this may seem, any "book" created by the "book creator" at Wikipedia will be at Wikipedia and not at Wikibooks. You are looking for the "book" at the wrong project. Try looking through their "[[w:Special:PrefixIndex/Book:|Book]]" namespace, or in the user namespace under your name at Wikipedia. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC) ::Count me in the group not fond of the naming Wikipedia chose. I even see it as a slight against Wikibooks as now we have Wikipedia Books ([[w:Wikipedia:Books|Wikipedia:Books]]) and Wikimedia Books (Wikibooks). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 21:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::Ugh, so when did that appear on WP? Really bad naming choice. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ErrantX|contribs]]) 09:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC) :::: I agree bad choice for the [[mw:Extension:Collection|Collection Extension]] to use book by default. I think it undermines Wikibooks and dilutes any brand recognition. I also wonder if it is in any way responsible for any decline Wikibooks may have seen. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC) :::::I'm a little distracted by other Wikipedia stuff at the moment - but when I get a chance I'll look into proposing a name change. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ErrantX|contribs]]) 14:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Propose a name change of what? The Wikipedia book namespace? I doubt that would succeed. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sven Manguard|contribs]]) 06:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Wikimedia Booklet or Collection seems more in order and will not get confused with Wikibooks... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 08:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Wikimedia Booklet is seconded by me. Real reason I am writing this though, is that the Collection extension can easily be modified to allow export to both Open Document Text and to DocBook. Is there a reason that isn't configured in the LocalSettings.php for the Wikibooks project? The XML Book references that the reason there is no support for DocBook for that particular book is that DocBook is to complex. Is there some other reason WikiBooks doesn't allow for export to DocBook and/or ODT? --[[User:Sjledet|Sjledet]] ([[User talk:Sjledet|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sjledet|contribs]]) 01:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::The [[mw:Extension:XML Bridge|XML Bridge]] extension needed for that is listed as ''unstable''; therefore, it will not be installed in a production Wikimedia wiki. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 01:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC) == Wikibook in Latex == In the math community, most people write things using Latex. Does anyone have an idea on how one could start a wikibook project with people prefering to write Latex documents ? (people would then be more willing to do it, and the final pdf version of the book would be nice and easy to do). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:128.178.14.78|128.178.14.78]] ([[User talk:128.178.14.78|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/128.178.14.78|contribs]]) 17:59, 16 February 2011</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> :Almost all maths book here are written in latex I think. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 11:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC) :: Our markup for writing formulas is LaTeX-like; see [[Help:Formulas]]. On the other hand, many of the concerns involved in writing LaTeX documents (which which I am intimately familiar, as I write everything non-wiki in it myself) do not apply to Wikibooks because [[WB:What is Wikibooks#Wikibooks is not paper|Wikibooks is not paper]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 14:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC) ::: That is really good news ! One more thing I did not understand is the conversion of wikibooks into pdf. Is it automated in some way, or is it done manually ? [[Special:Contributions/128.178.14.78|128.178.14.78]] ([[User talk:128.178.14.78|discuss]]) ::::Both. You have to manually add pages to a collection, but once the collection is defined, the PDF is generated automatically. See [[Help:Collections]] for more info. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jomegat|contribs]]) 19:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC) :::::It would be greatly appreciated if you do it entirely by hand, then upload it to Wikimedia Commons, though. Using the book creator makes the titles looks strange as Wikibooks uses subpages. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 12:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::You can use a pipe in the link titles to change the title outputted in the PDF. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::Really? I didn't know that! How do you do it? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 15:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::::Take a look at [[Help:Collections/Advanced]] for a full explanation. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 15:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::::Thanks! Must try it out some time. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC) == editing and viewing problem == Hi, I have problem with viewing discussion pages and editing some pages. It is only in english wikibooks and only on some pages. Like here : [[Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Julia_set]]. I see: * inactive Talk tab , not active Discussion tab * inactive Edit tab * active edit link which opens "Editing Null" page What is a reason of this and how I can resolve it ? --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 15:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC) :Have you tried purging? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 16:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC) ::How can I do it ?--[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 16:39, 25 February 2011 (UTC) ::Do you mean purge server cache of the page ? I have installed purge gadet and use it - nothing. Made it with firefox preferences - nothing. Use another browser : Chrome - the same effect. --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC) :::What skin are you using? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC) ::: Vector (default)--[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 16:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC) I've experienced more frequent logouts than usual and occasionally the edit window is pink with white text which makes editing impossible. No idea if it is in any way related though. For the mentioned page, I see no associated discussion. The discussion tab should be inactive when not viewing/editing discussion. The edit tab should be inactive when not editing. Not sure what you mean by "Editing Null" page, but when there is no associated discussion page and you click to view it, you will be in edit mode with no content. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC) : When I open the page for a 1-2 seconds I have normal links, but it is changing to : Instead of Discussion ( blue text with link) I have Talk ( black text without link ) : below asterix I have links to: * "move" which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set * black text : "edit" ( inactive link) * purge which links to http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set&action=purge * hist which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/null?action=history * edit (discussion) which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/null?action=edit : If I manually open: : http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set&action=edit : Then I can edit page. --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 17:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :When I have made null edit the same is on this page !!!! Probably it is a is a mechanism to protect from making null edits. How can I invert it ? --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 18:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :: Do you happen to have '''Six Tabs''' enabled in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC) ::: Yes. Removing it solved the problem. The script is probably broken. Thx for help. --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 19:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :::: That Gadget hasn't been updated to work with Vector yet. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC) == Gallery is Misbehaving == The gallery in a drop box is constrained to a very narrow display. Has anybody been 'improving' it recently? [[Special:Contributions/109.156.18.219|109.156.18.219]] ([[User talk:109.156.18.219|discuss]]) 20:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :It would be very helpful if you provided a page where the concept you are talking about is used. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 23:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC) == Basic Physics of Digital Radiography == This message follows that in [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archives/2011/January#Digital_Radiography_-_Physics_Text|11 Jan. 2011]]. The first draft of the wikibook is now complete. [[User:KieranMaher|marz]] ([[User talk:KieranMaher|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/KieranMaher|contribs]]) 13:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC) :If you consider it of adequate quality you may suggest promoting it to featured status. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC) lahdk7p7adlikwpoitddpi9mo8i885p 4639411 4639395 2026-06-08T19:06:01Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639411 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == I'd like to wikiobookify "Optimizing Code for Speed" == Hi all, [[Optimizing Code for Speed]] should be wikibookified per the request of a moderator (which prevents making it a 100% completion status.). I don't mind it being split into pages, but I'd like to know how to do it exactly. Is there a script somewhere or a page explaining the process? [[User:Shlomif|Shlomif]] ([[User talk:Shlomif|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shlomif|contribs]]) :It's really simple. Just copy the contents of each of the sections into a subpage. for example, the introduction goes to [[Optimizing Code for Speed/Introduction]]. After you've done that, turn the book into a table of contents. You can see how this is done by looking at a random book. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 13:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC) == Quizzes and Exams == Hey guys, do we have a multiple choice quiz function on the English wikibooks? On the Icelandic wikibooks, we have <nowiki><quiz display=simple></nowiki> and we can produce a nice self assessment on Wikibooks. See [http://is.wikibooks.org/wiki/Enska/L%C3%A6r%C3%B0u_ensku_1/Spurningakeppni_A here]. If we do, what's the code? Thanks! --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Girdi|contribs]]) 01:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC) :That is possible there by virtue of the [[mw:Extension:Quiz|Quiz extension]] installed. We would have to show consensus and file a request for it to be installed here. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC) :: Ah I see. So let's do it! It'd be great for many of these books to incorporate an interactive quiz function. Where do we start the consensus? :) --[[User:Girdi|Girdi]] ([[User talk:Girdi|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Girdi|contribs]]) 13:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC) ::: The best place would be [[WB:Reading room/Proposals]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 14:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC) == "Future of Wikimedia" == Came across this recently-created essay. It's an interesting examination and helps foster thoughts on long-term planning. See [[m:User:Yair rand/Future of Wikimedia]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 05:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC) : That's a refreshing contrast to the usual "we should put all our resources into Wikipedia, and the unimportant side projects are welcome to try to survive". (It's also interesting to me as a Wikinewsie that, while I agree ''that'' it has massive potential, I disagree with or doubt other things said about it, and feel Wikinews's current key challenge is missing from the account... but I digress.&nbsp;:-) : Regarding Wikibooks, I'm interested that the author draws xyr correspondence between Wikibooks and Wikipedia by analogizing our books to Wikipedia's ''pages''. I disagree with that. An independent project has the psychologically significant property that its mainspace text wikilinks are internal to the project. :* Wikinews suffers, psychologically, because its mainspace text wikilinks are often, in some articles almost entirely, to Wikipedia. (I mean to do something about that... again I digress.) :* Wikipedia mainspace text mostly wikilinks to Wikipedia pages. :* Wiktionary mainspace text mostly wikilinks to Wiktionary pages. :* But Wikibooks mainspace text, once it matures, mostly wikilinks ''within the same book''. So each book feels like an independent project, analogous not to a single Wikipedia page but to the whole of Wikipedia &mdash; only with such a small scope that it's almost impossible to build and maintain a significant contributing community. This also explains the difficulty with a single person writing a book by xyrself. : Moving forward, we may view ourselves as shepherds of a very large flock of tiny projects (though it may be less like herding sheep, and more like [[wikt:herding cats|herding cats]]). Obvious subgoals include :* helping users find a book they might be interested in contributing to. (Goes back to my thoughts on keyword searching.&nbsp;:-) :* helping a book to establish and maintain a coherent style despite long dry spells between significant contributions: it should be possible to pick up an "abandoned" book without having to reinvent the wheel (unless, of course, one wants to). If I chose a random book, even a random book whose subject I'm competent in, and tried to contribute to it, I might have to either ignore the intended organization, and thus potentially degrade it, or spend a pile of up-front time figuring out how the book was meant to be organized and how, if at all, I feel it ought to be reorganized. Even with that effort, subtle aspects of the previously envisioned organization might never become evident to me. My point is, we want to make it easier for the past contributors to a book to successfully liaise with later contributors across time. :* helping books to coordinate with each other, for synergy. An obvious goal, that falls trippingly off the tongue and is very hard to know how to go about. : --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 13:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC) ::Someone recently made the point that we're like a collection of wikis within one. That matches up with your comments and recent discussions at [[Wikibooks talk:Incubator]]. I do find the essay's overall theme, "a Wikipedia surrounded by successful projects will have a far better future than without" to be insightful. The cross-wiki watchlists and bug fixes/feature requests would help to encourage greater participation. The software is deficient in supporting the idea of wikis within a wiki, from watching a book at once to per-book CSS/JavaScript. As Wikipedia is quite mature, the opportunity for growth is at the other projects. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 16:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC) == Page counts are incorrect == It appears that a definition I read somewhere about pages having to be in a content namespace and '''having a link to another page''' for them to be counted as content pages in [[Special:Statistics]] is correct. I checked the value of <nowiki>{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}</nowiki> before and after adding a link to a page with none ([[.NET Development Foundation/Iterators]]), for example, and it caused the value to increment. It's too bad [[Special:DeadendPages]] is disabled. The implications of this are that the values shown on the main page, in the local statistics, at stats.wikimedia.org, and especially in [[m:List of Wikimedia projects by size]] all severely under-report our progress. [[A-level Chemistry/AQA/Module 5/Periodicity]] with all its content wouldn't be counted, for instance. I've found that [[w:Wikipedia:Dead-end pages]] has instructions that will produce a list of pages that can then have navigation templates applied, rectifying the count. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 21:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC) :It can be changed to count commas instead of links - [[mw:Manual:$wgUseCommaCount]]. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bawolff|contribs]]) 22:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC) ::A good find! Too bad it doesn't apply retroactively. Maybe the developers would run the update script. We need to show consensus for changing $wgUseCommaCount to true here, though. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC) :::Given the general lack of wikilinks here - especially as we encourage a book navigation structure - I think using the comma count method is both sensible and likely to gain consensus. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::Just a question... why commas? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 15:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::because that's the only other option the MediaWiki software supports [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::: Maybe if we ask developers nicely other options could be added. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::: yes, despite my glib answer I did think that... I struggled a bit to get beyond why any character (i.e., a page length > 1) wouldn't be the most sensible option. Presumably there was some logic in choosing "wikilink or comma" as the options but I can't think of one. Perhaps a <nowiki>{</nowiki> would be a good choice for us as most / all pages will include a transcluded template? [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 16:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::: I think the problem with wikilinks could be fixed for Wikibooks if the criteria for it were the use of wikilinks on a page OR a page is linked to from another page. Generally books have a table of contents with wikilinks to their pages, so if the criteria were updated to that than just having a table of contents should be enough to ensure all its pages were counted. Another option I can think of would be to count all pages which are categorized. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::::: Wondering, could we hotwire {{tl|BookCat}} so that every page (or every content-space page) it's on would have a link, without causing that link to be obnoxiously visible? (And how much of a problem would it then be that we're not using {{tl|BookCat}} in Cookbook space?) --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 19:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::::: If links through template inclusion were enough to have a page counted, I think most pages would already be counted due to the use of navigational aids. I wonder if page statistics even matter. Other than to perhaps determine average book length, I think how many books Wikibooks has is the statistics that is most relevant to us. I think counting pages based on template inclusion is a good idea, but I think multiple ways for a page to be counted would help to ensure more pages are counted without people having to go out of their way to make sure a page is counted. Another option could be the presents of any one of "!", "?", or "." since at least one is guaranteed to be present in properly formed sentence. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 21:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::::::: We can wish for many things, but any significant feature requests requiring new code rather than configuration changes seem to just flounder in the bug reporting system for years. Changing this configuration value will at least increase accuracy in the meantime. Page statistics do matter with regards to mindshare. If charts at stats.wikimedia.org make it appear that we are stagnating, the foundation will not see it as a priority to have the developers handle the big feature requests outstanding for Wikibooks (such as watching a whole book at once), people primarily contributing to Wikipedia will not want to invest time in a "second-class" project, and changes to extensions such as Flagged Revisions will continue to not be discussed with us ahead of time. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 00:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC) <small>Positions at [[WB:PROPOSALS|proposals reading room]].</small> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 23:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]] == Hello, I've installed [[wikt:fr:MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]] from [[wikt:pl:MediaWiki:Gadget-searchbox.js]]. It adds the text treatment functions: "go to line n°", "change the capitalization", "search and replace" (eventually "replace all"). [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sonia|contribs]]) 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :I'm not sure that would be needed. I can click "Advanced" in the Vector toolbar, then on [[File:Vector toolbar search-replace button.png|link=]] to get a search and replace box that allows for case sensitive operations and replacement of all terms. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC) ::I've just developed an additional button to sort alphabetically a list. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 16:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC) == weird tabs == Hi all, I've had this strange issue with vector on wikibooks recently, where the tabs on vector and the search bar are all duplicated at the bottom of the page below the categories. As I'm currently unable to upload to commons, I can't provide a screenshot- has anyone else had a similar problem? [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sonia|contribs]]) 09:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :It's almost like you have the "Bottom tabs" gadget in [[Special:Preferences]] enabled, but as far as I was aware it only worked for Monobook and hadn't been updated for Vector. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :: I think it is possible that gadget is enabled. I had updated that gadget to work with both Monobook and Vector some time ago. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :::Might be a problem with the recent maintenance. Have you purged and cleared your cache? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC) :::Yeah, it's the gadget, as Sonia's description matches what I see when enabling it. It was probably updated since Sonia was last here. I updated the description of it to reflect Darklama's update. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 16:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC) ::::Heh- I hadn't even realized that was enabled. Thanks all, and sorry for the unnecessary question :P [[User:Sonia|Sonia]] ([[User talk:Sonia|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sonia|contribs]]) 05:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC) == Mathematical equation entry == I am wondering what the formatting code is for entry of mathematical equations? I would like to be able to generate formulas in my native math applications and convert them to a code that Wikibooks will understand. [[User:Kurtfairfield|Kurtfairfield]] ([[User talk:Kurtfairfield|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kurtfairfield|contribs]]) 00:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC) : You might find this helpful: [[Wikibooks:WikiProject Mathematics#Typesetting]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 02:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC) == 1.17 Update == Some issues I've seen, and I don't know whether or not they are temporary: [[Template:Navbox]] is not styled; the protection icons via [[Template:pp-meta]] are not in the correct location anymore, the default style of wikitables has changed (good thing, we don't need purple clashing with everything), the [[Template:Mbox|Mbox]] suite is not styled. Very odd because the big thing was a change to JavaScript implementation, not CSS. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC) : I hope the issues are temporary as well. You could say there are two big changes actually. MediaWiki 1.17 is intended to speed up load time and decrease hits to their servers, if I understand correctly, by combining, compressing, and anticipating what JavaScript and CSS is or is not needed. I believe this second big change is intended to not to have any visibly noticeable affect though, besides people possibly noticing pages load faster. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ::I think I know what the problem is, though I only know of one solution to fix it. The linked CSS pages at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] are not loading. Only solution would be to combine them again. Most Wikimedia sites don't try to do what we are doing here. I will maybe file a bug report. MediaWiki namespace syntax highlighting can be removed ([[bugzilla:10871|bug 10871]]). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ::: I think in theory at least this should be fixable locally without a need to combine them again. Would be a pity if all that effort to make our CSS more manageable and the discussion of specific CSS problems easier went to waste. I think it should be reported as a bug though, as it may be an unintended side effect. If you do decide to report it, make sure to file it as a 1.17 bug. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC) ::::Reported as [[bugzilla:27328|bug 27328]]. Closed as WONTFIX with comment "Site CSS is loaded from load.php instead of index.php. You have to add "index.php" before the question mark." That doesn't make sense. If it's loaded from load.php, shouldn't it have load.php before the question mark? [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/Infobox.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css This gets content], [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/Infobox.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css this doesn't], and [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/load.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css/Infobox.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css neither does this]. Maybe it makes sense to you? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 15:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC) :::::: The problem seems to be the minimization library they use does not yet support remapping urls used in import statements. The bug now sits at REOPENED, so hopefully that is a sign someone is now willing to work on it. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::There's an [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/textbook-l/2011-February/001577.html IRC meeting] for you to attend, Darklama. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::: Unfortunately I seem to keep missing those IRC meetings. We should be fine, unless there are any more undocumented surprises. They say the office hour meetings are logged, so I should be able to read through that, if I miss the IRC meeting again. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC) {{outdent|::::::::}} I managed to attend the office hour IRC meeting this time. The good news, right now this bug is considered a blocker that will need to be fixed before 1.17 is released. Other than that, I think as a community, we probably need to discuss what if anything to do about scripts in user space. People sometimes copy scripts from other wikimedia projects, and don't keep up with changes made to fix bugs and updates to mediawiki. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :We don't have any gadgets that reference scripts in user space, but my concern would be whether our gadgets are getting dated, with too many that won't work with Vector (and thus appear to be broken to new users using the default theme and not knowing about Monobook) and whether they will work after the update (or even whether they have been unmaintained and could break any day now&mdash;Whiteknight's Visual Book Designer). Short of using a bot to replace functions that are clear replacements, I feel scripts in user space should be maintained by the user. If they were created across multiple wikis, [[User:Pathoschild|Pathoschild]] has a bot that will update CSS/JS globally for a user seeking to update. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 20:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :: People asked would things break at the meeting. 1.17 is intended to maintain backwards compatibility according to the mediawiki developers. I think the mediawiki developers don't expect things to break, but will fix them if they do and are reported to bugzilla. The old methods will still be around in 1.17. :: When Wikibooks was updated to 1.16 I began to update scripts in MediaWiki space to keep on top of things. While I trust the mediawiki developers to keep things working right now, I have doubts the Wikibooks community will be informed should a decision be made to remove the old methods in a future release. I think the best way to avoid surprises is to update sooner rather than later as we know about it. :: I think scripts in user space should be updated to avoid surprises too, I just don't know whose responsibility we should consider it to be to do so. People may want to know why things aren't working as they use to at some point. Should people be informed before, or should we be dealing with questions later? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::Well, you do have a handy-dandy list at [[Wikibooks:WikiProject Users/Tasks]]. We could place a standardized message on the discussion page of all the users affected by the changes, thus informing them and also heading off any questions later. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 22:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::: Ya, I included user pages in that list to make doing whatever is decided easier. Some seem to be copies of Gadgets, which suggest maybe not enough is being done to make people aware of the gadgets. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC) Bug closed as fixed in 82218. We are on 82223 and the original relative links don't work. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC) :Note for others: the above bug was reopened. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 18:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC) Transwiki imports are semi-broken with the update. See [[bugzilla:27486|bug 27486]]. You'll have to choose "all" as the destination namespace to attribute Wikipedia properly as the source, for now, and you can't import to a different namespace than the one you're pulling from. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 18:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC) == Books for examination == An IP editor has, over time, created several books that are often poorly translated. Several pages of them were blatant copyright violations of Wikipedia content and I have deleted those pages but others are probably taken only partly from Wikipedia. The content appears to be copied/translated from vi.wikibooks.org given that some of the images used here are used there in books that appear to cover the same topics. This is likely the same editor who created ''Arithmatics'' which was moved to ''Arithmetics'' and [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Arithmetics|deleted]], ''Mathematics Fundamental'' which was moved to ''Mathematics Fundamentals'' and [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Mathematics Fundamentals|deleted]], and ''Physics Handbook'' which was [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Physics Handbook|deleted]]. I deleted the recently-created ''Electronics Course'' entirely as it was complete copy-pastes of ''Electronics Handbook''. If this person created an account they could track their contribution history instead of forgetting and creating the same thing four months later under a new IP… [[Arithmetic Course]], [[Calculus Course]], [[Trigonometry Course]], [[Geometry Course]], [[Electronics Handbook]], [[Physics Course]], [[Digital Electronics]], [[Communication Course]] are ones I can think of off the top of my head in case anyone sees any other problems that I've missed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 02:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC) :I believe all these books are being written by a guy called Quach Trung Thanh of Toronto, as several of them have this name as the author on their title page. In 2009 he used the accounts [[User:Quachtahnh]] and [[User:Qtt1964]], but since then he has prefered not to log in for some reason. As far as I can tell, he has never actually responded to any comments or requests. You have to admire his persistence though, even if his way of working can be rather exasperating. [[User:Recent Runes|Recent Runes]] ([[User talk:Recent Runes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Recent Runes|contribs]]) 21:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC) == Statistics == It's been asked of me before and I recently got a request through OTRS for whether or not there's a tool for seeing page views at Wikibooks (we don't have [[Wikibooks:Statistics]]). Previously I didn't know of any but I recently heard that a tool normally used just for Wikipedia can be "hacked" to output results for Wikibooks. *Visit http://stats.grok.se/en.b/top for the top 1000 pages and ignore the "Wikipedia article traffic statistics" title. *Add the page you want to know about in particular to the end of <tt><nowiki>http://stats.grok.se/en.b/201102/</nowiki></tt> for February statistics. The end is YYYYMM, so you can change the value in the address bar for older months. The interface and forms of the site cannot be used; doing so reverts it back to Wikipedia. Would you believe that 18 of the top 30 spots are held by pages in [[LaTeX]]? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 00:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC) : Wikibooks use to keep track of pretty good statistics useful for book projects, until the format of the data dumps changed from SQL to XML. Would just require motivated individuals to do so again. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 01:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC) : Here's a rough example of the type of statistics Wikibooks use to have: :# [[File:Increase.svg|12px|link=]] Cookbook (<span style="color:green">+120</span>) :# [[File:Increase.svg|12px|link=]] LaTeX (<span style="color:green">+50</span>) :# [[File:Decrease.svg|12px|link=]] Rubik Puzzles (<span style="color:red;">-20</span>) : Where the arrow indicated whether contributions went up or down since last time for the given book, and the number in parenthesis represented the contribution difference since last time. I'd like to see such a system in use again. I think it acts as a good motivator and can encourage people. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 10:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC) ::Well, I'm motivated and have the latest XML dump, but don't have the technical expertise to know where to go from there. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC) ::: Ya, I was thinking of ways statistics could be made easier for people without the skills to do so. I had thought to file a bug report requesting the statistics at http://stats.wikimedia.org be made available in xml dump form. I found bug [[bugzilla:26352|#26352]] though, which is a request to make statistics available by an API. I think that would be even better. Apparently there are dumps already available at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/ for the page view statistics of all projects. I would like it better if dumps were separated by project though. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 14:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC) == Disappearance of Private WikiBook == I had created a Wikibook that was 56 pages in length. I attempted to create a Chapter and the book suddenly had no content. When I was in a Wikipedia article, the book creator showed that I had 56 pages, however, when I went to add page, the book was empty of content. Are there length restrictions on Wikibooks, and if so, can advance notification be given by the system administrator so that the book can be saved before elimination? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:98.94.81.35|98.94.81.35]] ([[User talk:98.94.81.35|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/98.94.81.35|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> : As confusing as this may seem, any "book" created by the "book creator" at Wikipedia will be at Wikipedia and not at Wikibooks. You are looking for the "book" at the wrong project. Try looking through their "[[w:Special:PrefixIndex/Book:|Book]]" namespace, or in the user namespace under your name at Wikipedia. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC) ::Count me in the group not fond of the naming Wikipedia chose. I even see it as a slight against Wikibooks as now we have Wikipedia Books ([[w:Wikipedia:Books|Wikipedia:Books]]) and Wikimedia Books (Wikibooks). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 21:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC) :::Ugh, so when did that appear on WP? Really bad naming choice. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ErrantX|contribs]]) 09:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC) :::: I agree bad choice for the [[mw:Extension:Collection|Collection Extension]] to use book by default. I think it undermines Wikibooks and dilutes any brand recognition. I also wonder if it is in any way responsible for any decline Wikibooks may have seen. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC) :::::I'm a little distracted by other Wikipedia stuff at the moment - but when I get a chance I'll look into proposing a name change. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ErrantX|contribs]]) 14:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Propose a name change of what? The Wikipedia book namespace? I doubt that would succeed. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sven Manguard|contribs]]) 06:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Wikimedia Booklet or Collection seems more in order and will not get confused with Wikibooks... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 08:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Wikimedia Booklet is seconded by me. Real reason I am writing this though, is that the Collection extension can easily be modified to allow export to both Open Document Text and to DocBook. Is there a reason that isn't configured in the LocalSettings.php for the Wikibooks project? The XML Book references that the reason there is no support for DocBook for that particular book is that DocBook is to complex. Is there some other reason WikiBooks doesn't allow for export to DocBook and/or ODT? --[[User:Sjledet|Sjledet]] ([[User talk:Sjledet|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sjledet|contribs]]) 01:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::The [[mw:Extension:XML Bridge|XML Bridge]] extension needed for that is listed as ''unstable''; therefore, it will not be installed in a production Wikimedia wiki. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 01:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC) == Wikibook in Latex == In the math community, most people write things using Latex. Does anyone have an idea on how one could start a wikibook project with people prefering to write Latex documents ? (people would then be more willing to do it, and the final pdf version of the book would be nice and easy to do). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:128.178.14.78|128.178.14.78]] ([[User talk:128.178.14.78|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/128.178.14.78|contribs]]) 17:59, 16 February 2011</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> :Almost all maths book here are written in latex I think. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 11:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC) :: Our markup for writing formulas is LaTeX-like; see [[Help:Formulas]]. On the other hand, many of the concerns involved in writing LaTeX documents (which which I am intimately familiar, as I write everything non-wiki in it myself) do not apply to Wikibooks because [[WB:What is Wikibooks#Wikibooks is not paper|Wikibooks is not paper]]. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 14:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC) ::: That is really good news ! One more thing I did not understand is the conversion of wikibooks into pdf. Is it automated in some way, or is it done manually ? [[Special:Contributions/128.178.14.78|128.178.14.78]] ([[User talk:128.178.14.78|discuss]]) ::::Both. You have to manually add pages to a collection, but once the collection is defined, the PDF is generated automatically. See [[Help:Collections]] for more info. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jomegat|contribs]]) 19:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC) :::::It would be greatly appreciated if you do it entirely by hand, then upload it to Wikimedia Commons, though. Using the book creator makes the titles looks strange as Wikibooks uses subpages. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 12:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::You can use a pipe in the link titles to change the title outputted in the PDF. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::Really? I didn't know that! How do you do it? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 15:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::::Take a look at [[Help:Collections/Advanced]] for a full explanation. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 15:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC) :::::::::Thanks! Must try it out some time. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:45, 25 February 2011 (UTC) == editing and viewing problem == Hi, I have problem with viewing discussion pages and editing some pages. It is only in english wikibooks and only on some pages. Like here : [[Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Julia_set]]. I see: * inactive Talk tab , not active Discussion tab * inactive Edit tab * active edit link which opens "Editing Null" page What is a reason of this and how I can resolve it ? --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 15:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC) :Have you tried purging? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 16:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC) ::How can I do it ?--[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 16:39, 25 February 2011 (UTC) ::Do you mean purge server cache of the page ? I have installed purge gadet and use it - nothing. Made it with firefox preferences - nothing. Use another browser : Chrome - the same effect. --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC) :::What skin are you using? [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC) ::: Vector (default)--[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 16:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC) I've experienced more frequent logouts than usual and occasionally the edit window is pink with white text which makes editing impossible. No idea if it is in any way related though. For the mentioned page, I see no associated discussion. The discussion tab should be inactive when not viewing/editing discussion. The edit tab should be inactive when not editing. Not sure what you mean by "Editing Null" page, but when there is no associated discussion page and you click to view it, you will be in edit mode with no content. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 16:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC) : When I open the page for a 1-2 seconds I have normal links, but it is changing to : Instead of Discussion ( blue text with link) I have Talk ( black text without link ) : below asterix I have links to: * "move" which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set * black text : "edit" ( inactive link) * purge which links to http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set&action=purge * hist which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/null?action=history * edit (discussion) which links to : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/null?action=edit : If I manually open: : http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Fractals/Iterations_in_the_complex_plane/Mandelbrot_set&action=edit : Then I can edit page. --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 17:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :When I have made null edit the same is on this page !!!! Probably it is a is a mechanism to protect from making null edits. How can I invert it ? --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 18:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :: Do you happen to have '''Six Tabs''' enabled in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 19:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC) ::: Yes. Removing it solved the problem. The script is probably broken. Thx for help. --[[User:Adam majewski|Adam majewski]] ([[User talk:Adam majewski|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adam majewski|contribs]]) 19:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :::: That Gadget hasn't been updated to work with Vector yet. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 20:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC) == Gallery is Misbehaving == The gallery in a drop box is constrained to a very narrow display. Has anybody been 'improving' it recently? [[Special:Contributions/109.156.18.219|109.156.18.219]] ([[User talk:109.156.18.219|discuss]]) 20:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC) :It would be very helpful if you provided a page where the concept you are talking about is used. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 23:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC) == Basic Physics of Digital Radiography == This message follows that in [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Archives/2011/January#Digital_Radiography_-_Physics_Text|11 Jan. 2011]]. The first draft of the wikibook is now complete. [[User:KieranMaher|marz]] ([[User talk:KieranMaher|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/KieranMaher|contribs]]) 13:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC) :If you consider it of adequate quality you may suggest promoting it to featured status. [[::User:Kayau|Kayau]] {{toolbar|separator=dot |[[::User talk:Kayau|discuss]] |[[::Special:Emailuser/Kayau|email]] |[[::Special:Contributions/Kayau|contribs]] |[{{fullurl::Special:Log|user={{urlencode:Kayau}}}} <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">logs</span>] |[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name{{=}}{{urlencode:Kayau}}&lang{{=}}en&wiki{{=}}wikibooks <span style{{=}}"color:#002bb8">count</span>] }} 14:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC) 3n19qloes5ie55elwxch1vti6ofksgb 4 253729 4639399 2156475 2026-06-08T18:46:37Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639399 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Character replacement in a template parameter == I have a template that translates a string representing a page into a section number--see [[Template:Calculus/map page]]. The problem is that pages that contain spaces can have those spaces replaced with the underscore character (i.e. '_') and still indicate the same page. Currently my template fails to map the page to the correct section if the string is entered with underscores instead of spaces. I could make a separate case statement for every possible combination of spaces and underscores, but that could become unwieldy with pages with lots of spaces. Is there a better way? --[[User:Greenbreen|Greenbreen]] ([[User talk:Greenbreen|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenbreen|contribs]]) 12:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC) : "{{Calculus/map page|Chain Rule}}/{{Calculus/map page|Chain_Rule}}". You can use <code><nowiki>{{FULLPAGENAME:{{{1}}}}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{#titleparts:{{{1}}}}}</nowiki></code> to be able to detect both spaces and underscores. Which one to use depends on the situation. I've already gone ahead and made the change to the map page template. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC) :Thanks! That's just what I was looking for. --[[User:Greenbreen|Greenbreen]] ([[User talk:Greenbreen|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenbreen|contribs]]) 15:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC) == "First Read" Pre-requisite on "Optimizing Code for Speed" == Hi, I am [[User:Shlomif]] and I'm posting here after failing to get an answer on IRC or on a mailing list (as expected, I dislike the MediaWiki discussion list interface quite a bit, and find it even less usable than most web forums), and was told most people monitor these pages. In any case I have authored [[Optimizing Code for Speed]] which I've written instead of my usual "write-in-DocBook/XML-or-HTML-and-publish on my "personal web-site" as an experiment. In any case, I finished writing most of what I wanted to say there, and a few days ago split it into individual pages to follow the wikibooks convention. There may be some relatively minor changes I'll integrate there in the future, but I consider it a finalised project. To get to the point, someone added a template there that "This book requires that you first read [[How to Write a Program]]. However, "How to Write a Program" is crudely written, extremely short, lacks enough coverage of most main "how-to-achieve-software-quality" methods and methodologies and I wouldn't recommend that anyone reads it in its current form, whether they know a thing or two about software engineering or not. I tried to improve it a little but later chapters proved to be more difficult, in part because they don't match my personal software development style and in part because they are written in monolithic paragraphs. I eventually had decided to start writing this book as an alternative: [[How to Achieve Software Quality]] which aims to be a more well-rounded coverage, but it: 1. will naturally take some time to write, and 2. At time seemed like it would be too heavy a reading material before my optimising code for speed essay. To add more to the confusion, a few days ago I added this: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Optimizing_Code_for_Speed/Introduction#Intended_Audience Reading it, it seems that either the "How to Write a Program" pre-requisite is not needed , or should be replaced by the resources I pointed to over at http://teachingopensource.org/ . I admit I'm the primary author of the wiki page I refer to there (but not of the book they are working on) so I may be a bit biased. I'm reluctant to simply remove the pre-requisite because I hate deletionism and similar vandalism (however good-intentioned), and because a good coverage of software engineering philosophy should be considered as a pre-requisite for a book about code optimisation. Now, I've also written [http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/high-quality-software/rev2/ "What Makes Software High Quality?"] (CC-by and DocBook/XML - should be easily wikibookable) which aims to answer the question "What Makes Software High Quality?" but also covers some ways to actually makes them so. Personally, I am on the opinion that if your program is of high quality, then how this quality was achieved is not too important, as long as it did not take too much time, cost too much money, cost in too much unhappiness, etc. I know for a fact that some teams with poor or no software engineering can often achieve decent results. Therefore, if we agree that a programmer should just be aware what makes a piece of software good, rather than of the myriad of ways to attempt to achieve it (which have been a topic of ongoing research and publications for many decades now, and are a topic of a lot of debate.), then we can just wikibookify and polish my "high quality software" article and make it a prerequisite. --[[User:Saf kakar|Saf kakar]] ([[User talk:Saf kakar|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Saf kakar|contribs]]) 20:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC) What are your thoughts? Regards, -- Shlomi Fish :You raise several points, and a lot of context. On the topic of pre-requisite, this was a trend initiated on Wikibooks more or less at the same time as the subject pages became available and so far there is not special guideline or even consistent practice on how to go about it, the greatest part of the work on the pre-requisite front was done by Wikibookians working on book the categories and subjects navigational schemes. In any case I think that any bookcommunity (people working on a specific book project) should be given a special consideration in any pre-requisite consideration as they have in-depth knowledge of the work and its direction. So I don't see a problem in being yourself an actor in setting that up on the works you participate and the ways to go about it are the same as in any edit. State your objections to the initial action, attempt dialog, provide time to a response on the proper forum and act on the results. Did you engage the person that added the pre-requisites ? --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 22:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC) == Query about licence issues == Hi! I wanted to write a wikibook book about recreational figure skating based on information in an old Usenet FAQ of which I am a coauthor and the sole copyright owner. The FAQ currently resides at href="http://web.ncf.ca/aa508/SkateFAQ and the copyright notice there explicitly forbids to make copies of it for commercial purposes without permission. I thought that I could use parts of the FAQ and publish them in the wikibook under the CC-BY-SA license by including a note stating that the copyright owner (myself) has granted permission to do so. But then I read this in [[Wikibooks:Policies_and_guidelines]]: "If you want to import text that you have found elsewhere or that you have co-authored with others, you can only do so if it is available under terms that are compatible with the CC-BY-SA license." Does that mean that I would have to change the copyright notice in the FAQ page before I can use material hosted in that site? It seems kind of absurd, but that is the way I interpret the policy... Or have I got it wrong? --[[User:XanaG|XanaG]] ([[User talk:XanaG|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/XanaG|contribs]]) 03:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC) :If you are sure that you, as you state, have the sole copyright ownership of the work. Implying that others that have worked on it with you have granted all rights over the work to you (not limited in some way, note that CC-BY-SA permits commercial use). You can do whatever you wish with your work, including relicensing and/or making it into a Wikibook. Remembering however that if anyone opposes that view here you will have to provide some form of proof of your claim. Failing to do so will get the work summarily deleted from the Wikibooks project. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 06:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC) ::Please send an email to permissions-en{{@}}wikimedia.org using the form at [[w:WP:CONSENT|WP:CONSENT]]. There must be some way to associate the email you send from with the site, either because it ends in the same domain or because the email is listed as a contact address for the site. Otherwise there's no way to be sure you are the copyright owner and thus able to relicense the content at will. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 12:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC) :::Thanks Adrignola and Panic2k4 for clarifying the policy and pointing out the consent form. --[[User:XanaG|XanaG]] ([[User talk:XanaG|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/XanaG|contribs]]) 17:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC) == blogspot == Hi, I don't understand why blogspot is black-listed [[MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist]]. There are some interesting blogs on blogpost. For instance, we would like to refer to <nowiki>http://gettinggeneticsdone.blogspot.com/search/label/R</nowiki> in [[R Programming]]. [[User:PAC2|PAC2]] ([[User talk:PAC2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PAC2|contribs]]) 06:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC) : People probably repeatedly tried to use Wikibooks to spam their personal blogs. Also most blogs probably are not considered a reliable source to cite for people to verify facts. I would guess those two reasons are why blacklisting blogspot was not considered harmful. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 13:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC) :Darklama pulled the content straight from my brain. A [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|whitelist]] is available for blogs that truly provide educational content and not comments from someone pushing their point of view. I refer you to to Wikipedia's list of [[w:Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided|links to avoid]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC) ::It is true that some blogs are not a reliable source to cite. However, blogs about programming provide some tricks and handout which could be cited in wikibooks. My point is that a programming tricks is always verifiable since anyone can check on his computer if it works or not. Therefore if some blogs provide some useful tricks, they should be cited on wikibooks. --[[User:PAC2|PAC2]] ([[User talk:PAC2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PAC2|contribs]]) 14:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC) :::If you have particular ones in mind please request their addition here or at [[MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 15:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC) == Changing the way page history is displayed? == Is it possible to make a page history display the number of characters added or removed by each edit (rather than or in addition to the total number of characters in each revision), as happens when recent changes or watchlists are viewed? I'm asking because I want it to be easier to identify significant blankings when perusing a page history. [[User:Belteshazzar|Belteshazzar]] ([[User talk:Belteshazzar|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Belteshazzar|contribs]]) 21:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC) : Yes that can be done using JavaScript. I believe there may be a gadget that does just that somewhere. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 22:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC) ::Indeed. You can copy it from [[:pt:MediaWiki:Gadget-HistoryNumDiff.js]]. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 16:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC) :::Am I supposed to copy it into my monobook? If so, it doesn't seem to have worked yet, but perhaps the effect is delayed. [[User:Belteshazzar|Belteshazzar]] ([[User talk:Belteshazzar|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Belteshazzar|contribs]]) 05:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC) ::::Indeed. But since that is a script, the code should go to [[Special:MyPage/monobook.js|/monobook.js]] instead of [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/en/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=2121773 /monobook.css]. After that, it is necessary to clear the cache of your browser. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 21:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC) :::::I did that, and it still doesn't seem to have worked. [[User:Belteshazzar|Belteshazzar]] ([[User talk:Belteshazzar|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Belteshazzar|contribs]]) 04:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::Are you using monobook ([{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Reading_room/Technical_Assistance|action=history&useskin=monobook}} example])? If not, you will need to move the code to the js page of the [[Special:Preferences#preftab-1|skin you are using]] or to your [[Special:MyPage/common.js|/common.js]]. ::::::If this is not the problem, I don't know what it could be, since the script works for me. In this case, please check if there is any error in the console of your browser when you try to acess the history of some wikipage. [[:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 01:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC) :::::::No, I was not using Monobook. I just changed it, and the script is working now! Thanks. [[User:Belteshazzar|Belteshazzar]] ([[User talk:Belteshazzar|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Belteshazzar|contribs]]) 17:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC) == Unified Account == Hi. I'm trying to make a global account so that I can use the smae username on Wikinews and Wikiversity, but another user on ja.wikipedia.org already has this username. I don't need an account on wikipedia, and was planning on putting a redirect on it if I did recieve one. I want to just not have this username on wikipedia. Any way to do this? [[User:Fountain Pen|Fountain Pen]] ([[User talk:Fountain Pen|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fountain Pen|contribs]]) 22:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC) The problem has been resolved. Thank you! [[User:Fountain Pen|Fountain Pen]] ([[User talk:Fountain Pen|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fountain Pen|contribs]]) 00:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC) == Spacing Between Paragraphs == Dear <whoever is in charge of this>, For typographical reasons, I find that the very small amount of white space between separate paragraphs is aesthetically unpleasing, and I believe that it would be advantageous for the administrators or whoever to increase this in order to facilitate reading. Thank you, [[User:TOstojich|TOstojich]] ([[User talk:TOstojich|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TOstojich|contribs]]) 02:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC) : You can change the amount of spacing between paragraphs in your personal [[Special:MyPage/common.css|/common.css]] file. You can style the margin or padding for the "p" (paragraph) element in there. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 12:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC) == Hosting sample source-code related to wikibooks == Hello, i'm from [[:fr:|french Wikibooks project]] where i write some books about computer science. I'm writing a [[:fr:Introduction au test logiciel|book about software testing]] and for the reader convenience, i wrote sample code (Java code with Junit, Maven and others libs). At french wikibooks, we are wondering what is the best way to host and provides those code to our readers. Do english-speaking Wikibooks already stated on this question ? What solution will allow us to share code between all project (the [[commons:|commons:]] way). What about using an open-source forge ? What about using something like Git-based SCM to allow reader to provide new content the wiki-way ? What do think ? [[User:Sub|Sub]] ([[User talk:Sub|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sub|contribs]]) 13:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC) :Any source code here is simply placed between {{tag|source}} tags in the wiki. You can use Sourceforge.net to host your code if you so desire and then link to it from a book. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 14:59, 12 June 2011 (UTC) cs8ykox6w8uwck8kzij2lb3obfd3upj 1 257981 4639401 3473691 2026-06-08T18:48:11Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639401 wikitext text/x-wiki I have re-written the first two paragraphs. However, the rest of the page requires a lot more work than I have time for right now.--<span style="font: bold 11pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Arthurvogel|<span style="color:black">Arthur </span>]][[User_talk:Arthurvogel|<span style="color:orange">Vogel</span>]]</span> 19:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC) == Discussion on thermal stability of compound == which of the compound MgCo3 and ZnCo3 is thermally more stable explain??? [[User:Jayswal manish|Jayswal manish]] ([[User talk:Jayswal manish|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jayswal manish|contribs]]) 10:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC) d4rxlhhsge8i7jox3uziazyuxl2p15c 4 266049 4639389 4630981 2026-06-08T18:03:44Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639389 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == {{usercheck|QUBot}} (bot) == * '''Bot''': [[User:QUBot]] * '''Operator''': [[User:QuiteUnusual]] * '''Automatic or Manually''': Manually * '''Language''': Python * '''Source''': [[:meta:Pywikipediabot|Pywikipediabot]] * '''Function''': ''ad hoc'' non controversial maintenance that would flood RC. For example, I've been adding {{tlx|BookCat}} to uncategorised pages. Now I've got it working properly I plan to update pages in batches of 100 which would flood the RC. I also plan to perform similar bulk categorisations to images (e.g, adding a personal image category to images that are only on user pages). The bot always runs under my supervision, each edit is checked in "real time" by me. The bot would also be available in the future for other similar actions on request where I could do them myself with a pseudo-bot flag but would prefer to execute with a non-elevated account. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 20:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC) :{{support}} This sounds like a good idea to me, especially since it will be closely monitored by QU. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jomegat|contribs]]) 21:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC) :{{support}} What Jomegat said. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 07:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC) :{{support}} Not worthy of discussion. Anything operated by QuiteUnusual can certainly be given a bot flag.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 11:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC) :{{support}} A random sampling of revisions suggests the bot is operating fine and is likely to continue to do so. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC) :[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|alt=|link=]] '''Support''' Sounds fine to me. It's the kind of thing I'd expect would be done with AutoWikiBrowser under an admin who has set themselves to have the pseudo-bot flag anyway. Separating it out to another account will keep QU's contributions clean for those who like to follow them. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 17:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC) ::Just FYI, the reason I do it like this is that most of the time I'm Javascript constrained due to the security policies where I work. This makes loading up and editing pages a tedious affair. There's certainly no way I could run AWB effectively. The QUBot account in contrast runs from my server in the "cloud" meaning it can tick away in the background while I just watch it go through on RC. Then I only need to actually edit pages where there's more work to be done that just the simple add text the script does. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 22:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC) [[File:Yes_check.svg|15px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''. With no objections, I see no reason not to grant the flag. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 05:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC) :Thanks [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC) == QUBot == * {{Userlinks|QUBot}} Inactive since 21 August 2013 (pinging {{user link|MarcGarver}}). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:52, 23 March 2026 (UTC) :It's defunct. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 15:57, 24 March 2026 (UTC) ::If so, you may send a request to [[:m:SRB]] to remove bot rights from QUBot. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:03, 24 March 2026 (UTC) 7b9zadjhzdc8y61cmo1dqcifvcib1de 4 267059 4639396 4624735 2026-06-08T18:42:16Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639396 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talkarchive}} == Unsigned posts == Can't the template {{tlx|unsigned}} be made as default (if the exact date is not provided), to add a time stamp "before <nowiki><time></nowiki>" (time being the actual time of the insertion of the template and link it to the page edit history (if possible showing the edits before that date) ? Or some other useful variation of this... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 10:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC) : Does {{tlx|unsigned3}} do what you want? --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC) :: It adds the time of the addition of the template as a default, an improvement. But it would benefit by the clear statement that it was "before <nowiki><time></nowiki>" (and then there wouldn't be any reason to object making it the default behavior for {{tlx|unsigned}}). There still is no link to the local page edit history for inquiring minds to easily verify the exact time by themselves (especially if it could be made to show the edits before that time, using the offset= ?), that would be a useful to get it all in the same place. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 00:00, 5 February 2012 (UTC) :: Just because I was thinking about it I will post here some comments on the templates... :: Why the use of the word "comment", some posts are not comments (in fact most unsigned posts are initiators of threads). The world "post" would be more generic and to the point (and take less space). Post = A message posted in an electronic forum. :: I also do not see any use for the {{tlx|unsignedIP}} (and variation) because it is prone to hide valid information, since anonymous users can create user pages. It is not at all intuitive as it alters the normal behavior of the signature parts. It seems a good target for a RfD ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:UnsignedIP]] and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:UnsignedIP2]])... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 00:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC) ::: Timestamp now links to the offset in history, and preceded by "before" when the default is used. I wonder whether the offset in history depends on a user's timezone though, because if so that would make the link unreliable. ::: I agree there is no need for unsignedIP and unsignedIP2. I think unsigned3 can also replace unsigned and unsigned2, because the order of arguments is interchangeable. ::: "add comment" was the link/tab name used to add a new section or to "initiate a new thread" at one time. Maybe that is why the word "comment" is used. ::: --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 00:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC) :::: I never spent any cycles understanding how time is worked on Wikimedia until now (UTC is good for me). But just for synchronization and general information of others reading this. :::: The opportunity for confusion is the click generated page by the provided link to the edit history. :::: All the talk pages use UTC (universal time zone, the system default) the preferences "Date and time" setting only affects the dynamically generated active logs, this includes a page edit history, and so a different timezone can indeed be an issue, since the offset will use the clicking user's preferences, the biggest possible difference is 23 hours, one could maybe shift the link to show the previous activity of time+23, if there is no easier way to check if the user timezone or force the link to generate a UTC version of it (in not already possible, this could be an improvement to the Wikimedia software in general). --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 01:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC) :::I will let you know right now that I would oppose the removal of the unsigned IP templates. IP users ordinarily will not be creating user pages and the standard links in recent changes and on a page's history will not link to the IP user's page. So in the same vein an unsigned template should not either. And of course you won't see any uses of them because they are ''substituted''. Conversely, I find unsigned3 to be unnecessary. I want to know the time a comment was actually added, ''not'' the time someone noted a comment was missing a signature. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 13:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC) ::::No one is proposing "the removal of the unsigned IP templates". The core of the request was for a change on the default behavior to include the template use date (in place of nothing at all) and then we talked about talking about reducing the duplicated templates, the others, not the main one, since most if not all don't have active uses. ::::The reason why the extension I requested and Darklama implemented was just to address "I want to know the time a comment was actually added", since that is not possible to establish (I think) the only other option was what Darklama implemented (could it get the date of the previous edit ?) with the universal time limitation discussed (that can be properly addressed but as a extra functionality even if limited may be useful). ::::As for the account display functional links what I was proposing was to fallow the normal convention and stop hiding if the IP has or not a user page, the contributions will still be displayed and the link properly labeled as it is for the signed user. --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 14:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC) == The Open Textbook Challenge == http://www.saylor.org/otc/ Not sure if you are aware of this. Are there Interesting materials to import here? Possible Wikibook users to participate in the next chllange? Regards. [[User:Emijrp|Emijrp]] ([[User talk:Emijrp|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Emijrp|contribs]]) 16:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC) :I have also noticed the announcement of winners of the Wave I of the Open Textbook Challenge. One question that I have not seen answered is what happened to losing projects ? :The winners have been: :*Elementary Linear Algebra by Dr. Kenneth Kuttler of Brigham Young University – MA211 Linear Algebra I :*Linear Algebra, Theory and Applications by Dr. Kenneth Kuttler of Brigham Young University – MA212 Linear Algebra II :*Computer Networking: Principles, Protocol, and Practice by Dr. Olivier Bonaventure of the Université catholique de Louvain in Belgium - CS402 Local Area Networks :*Real Analysis I by Dr. Elias Zakon of the University of Windsor – MA241 Real Analysis I :Since they are compatible with our license, the material can be freely used (requiring attribution to the original work and authors), as for the reverse it is possible but the issue is matching their specific courses program... --[[User:Panic2k4|Panic]] ([[User talk:Panic2k4|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Panic2k4|contribs]]) 18:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC) == MediaWiki 1.19 == (Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to upgrade MediaWiki (the software powering this wiki) to its latest version this month. You can help to test it before it is enabled, to avoid disruption and breakage. More information is available [[:mw:MediaWiki 1.19/Deployment announcement|in the full announcement]]. Thank you for your understanding. [[:m:user:guillom|Guillaume Paumier]], via the [[:m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery system]] <small>([[:m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|wrong page? You can fix it.]])</small>. 14:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC) <!-- EdwardsBot 0154 --> == Artificial Intelligence for Sustainability == I am new to Wikibooks and was directed here by an email to introduce myself -- I'm a computer science faculty member and I just initiated a Wikibook 'Artificial Intelligence for Sustainability: A Lab Companion" -- that is, a text of sustainability-relevant problems and projects that can accompany any AI text book. [[User:AIProf|AIProf]] ([[User talk:AIProf|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AIProf|contribs]]) 14:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC) :Welcome. Your book looks very interesting. There are some other books on artificial intelligence here that you might want to look at, see [[:Subject:Artificial intelligence]]. If you need any help on how to structure a book here, on Wikitext or anything else then do ask. Happy wikibooking! [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 16:03, 17 February 2012 (UTC) :Thank you! I found and cited the Artificial Intelligence text you speak of; in fact, an original question I was going to post was whether there was a particular convention for citing a Wikibook. I found an answer though [[User:AIProf|AIProf]] ([[User talk:AIProf|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AIProf|contribs]]) 17:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC) == 3D Blender & Cisco Networker == I'm here because a link directed me here to introduce myself. : I'm a Blender 3D expert and has rendered some few images and animations though. I'm part of the team working on the Blender Pro Book on wikibooks. I'm really loving it and I'm helping improving it. : I also do much computer networking. I'm good in that and will be willing to support any networking related books on wikibooks. Wikibooks is really a nice place to be. Its about time I give back what i took some years back. Thank you --[[User:Nkansahrexford|Nkansahrexford]] ([[User talk:Nkansahrexford|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nkansahrexford|contribs]]) 20:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)Nkansahrexford == The need for interactive diagrams == Hi there again, I maintain the [[A-level_Computing/AQA|A-Level Computing]] wikibooks and have made hundreds of diagrams so far to accompany it. One of the major annoyances is that I can't use interactive SVGs as the wikicommons server exports images in png format. This means I have to make [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Computing/AQA/Problem_Solving,_Programming,_Data_Representation_and_Practical_Exercise/Fundamentals_of_Data_Representation/Sampled_sound#Sampling_rate 5 copies] of the same image showing different steps. I know there is a small security risk with embedded javascript in SVG, but do you know if there are any plans to get this in there. With the recent apple epub3 announcement it seems odd that we are still creating static books. Thanks [[User:Pluke|Pluke]] ([[User talk:Pluke|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pluke|contribs]]) 11:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC) : You can still use animated GIFs. AFAIK embedded javascript in SVGs will never be supported, even were conversion to PNG format stopped. Supposedly support for a programming language is in the works though. I have no idea what kinds of features that support will and will not allow though. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 23:25, 18 February 2012 (UTC) == Rejecting Revisions == Has this stopped working for anyone else? I either get forwarded to the "submit" URL but the page doesn't load with the rejection confirmation, or I get a 403 error. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 18:11, 19 February 2012 (UTC) :Same problem here. Quite annoying and I thought that maybe it was due to recent changes which weren't compatible with Opera. I also seem to have lost some common buttons which I had before for welcoming users.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 15:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC) ::It's not working on Firefox or IE so I don't think it is browser specific. I can't get Twinkle to work at all. Guess I'd better work out how to report a bug! [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC) :::Bug [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34544 filed] [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC) :::Maybe it's not part of Twinkle but the 'warn' user thing is working yet others like 'welcome' user aren't visible.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 15:37, 20 February 2012 (UTC) ::::Bug found and reported as fixed [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111950 r111950] [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 21:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC) :::::Indeed ''Reject Changes'' is now working. Other Twinkle features like ''Welcome user'' aren't.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 23:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC) ::::::That's ''probably'' a Javascript problem. Whatever it is, the problem would need to go to the Twinkle developers rather than the MediaWiki developers I suspect. I'll see if I can find anything out. This [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33711 bug] and the update required to [[Mediawiki:Gadgets-definition]] at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition&oldid=471262316&diff=471703077 WP] may point to a change being needed here. Sadly I don't know enough about Javascript to work it out! [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 22:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC) :::::::Meant to post about an hour ago saying that it was all working again. I can welcome, warn and do whatever I like to users once again.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 23:35, 22 February 2012 (UTC) == Problems about using Subject namespace == Hi, I see 'Subject' feature on Wikibooks English is great and I would like to use it on Wikibooks Vietnam. However, I am currently having some problems. While page [http://vi.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:S%C3%A1ch_theo_ch%E1%BB%A7_%C4%91%E1%BB%81 Subject:Sách theo chủ đề] (which is Subject:Books by subjects in English) appears quite well, other subject pages like [http://vi.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:To%C3%A1n_h%E1%BB%8Dc Subject:Toán học] (in English, Subject:Mathematics) doesn't show anything at all. Is there anything wrong with our Template:Root subject? Thank you. [[User:AmieKim|AmieKim]] ([[User talk:AmieKim|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AmieKim|contribs]]) 13:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC) :One thing I notice is that in <tt>Root subject/core</tt> there are some values that haven't been localized to the namespace name on your wiki. That may or may not be the main problem, but it wouldn't hurt to check that all the values are appropriate for your wiki. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 16:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC) ::Another problem is the pages are actually in the main namespace because Vietnam Wikibooks has no namespaces beyond mediawiki's default. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 18:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC) ::: Thank you very much. We're choosing a Vietnamese name for namespace Subject and going to post a bug to Bugzilla [[User:AmieKim|AmieKim]] ([[User talk:AmieKim|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AmieKim|contribs]]) 12:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC) == New User Contributions == The link on Recent Changes is [[Special:Contributions/newbies]]. Not sure if that's the same as it's always been however the link produces no results which is obviously not right. It would seem that the link is looking for edits made by a user called ''Newbies'' rather than those by new users. How'd this happen?--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 22:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC) :It works on every other project I've tried (en.wp, en.wn, de.wb)... very very odd [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 23:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC) ::It is broken on meta, same as here. Must be a bug [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 23:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC) :::Reported as [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34659 34659] at Bugzilla. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 23:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC) ::::Nice. It was deliberate. This means that any interfaces linking to special pages with "/" switches will need to be updated. In this case the "&contribs" parameter needs to be passed in with the full URL. Other special pages are similarly impacted (e.g., listusers). I've fixed recent changes but will have to search the interface for any other instances. If you find any please let me know if you don't want to fix yourself - thanks[[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 23:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC) :::::The links using [[Special:ListUsers]] from the various pages linked from {{tl|user groups}} still seem to work, as well as various [[Special:PrefixIndex]]. Certainly if you go to those and specify the same values as what has been passed following a slash, it produces the same type of URL with parameters embedded. So it seems to me that this is likely an isolated situation (unless you know something more beyond what was stated in the bug's comments). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|discuss]]</small> 03:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC) :::::: Newbies is a registered account name. My guess is the old behavior kept people from being able to view their contribution history on projects where they have contributed. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 04:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC) ::::::: There was some feedback from a sysop on Meta that this impacted [[Special:Listusers]] too. I would expect that if darklama's explanation is right (and it sounds like it might be) as this would suffer from the same issue as [[Special:Contributions]] for the account named Newbies [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 08:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC) :::::::: Thanks for your help and reporting of the bug QU.--[[User:Xania|ЗAНИA]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:45, 24 February 2012 (UTC) :::::::::No problem. There's a note on the bug now commenting that the change should have been better communicated in advance. As it happens the impact is trivial in the sense that only a couple of pages need updating but extensive in that it impacts all 500+ projects. Every upgrade has these bumps. I did try and look at 1.19 on the lab during testing but it wasn't configured for WB and it ended up being too much like hard work. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 18:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC) == Screen shots == I am coordinating the editing of the Chemical Information Sources Wikibooks by a group of experienced academic chemical librarians. Though we plan to minimize use of screen shots (prefering to point to vendor videos/webinars where appropriate), we have some questions: 1) What type of permission should we get from the vendors, or do we just consider a small number of low res screen shots fair use? 2) Should screen shots be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons or only to the English Wikibooks. The Help: Files: Uploading Files page http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Help:Files combined with the Wikibooks: Media page is not completely clear to me. Are screen shots "fair use" and therefore use the non-free use rationale template and go to English Wikibooks? A. Ben Wagner, University at Buffalo [[User:Abenwagner|Abenwagner]] ([[User talk:Abenwagner|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Abenwagner|contribs]]) 16:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC) :The best source of information on free licensing can be found at Commons, [[Commons:Commons:Licensing|here]]. If you read the details on acceptable licenses and common licenses at the beginning then the rest is probably superfluous as it covers specific country-by-country laws. Most free licenses are acceptable but the most commonly used is the [[Wikibooks:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike license]]. One important point to note is that we do not accept "non commercial" use licenses. All uploads at Wikibooks are automatically directed to Commons which only hosts free media. If you need to use fair use media it needs to be uploaded at Wikibooks and that requires special permissions. These permissions are usually granted following a request at [[WB:RFP]] if the community is satisfied of the need for fair use materials and that the requester understands the requirements around its use. [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 20:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC) == How to deal with the How Tos.... == We have a lot of one chapter / one page books here. Things like these: *[[How to Reform Multi-national Corporations]] *[[How to Recover Pictures from SD Card?]] *[[How to Write a Compiler]] *[[How to Wheelie]] and some multi chapter books (like [[How To Beat The Draft Board]], [[How to Live in Britain]], [[How to Drive in California, USA]]) that are very short. I'd like to propose a bold reorganisation of this work into subject based How To books. For example, all of the "how to" mini books that relate to [[:Subject:Computer programming]] could be merged into a single [[Computer Programming How To]] book. I think this would encourage new contributors to add chapters to these larger books in the same way that we get people adding another recipe to the Cookbook. I also think by providing a framework and style guide for these books we create a more valuable resource. I'm happy to set about this myself but I'd welcome views on whether it is or isn't a good idea and (assuming you see it as a good idea!) some collaboration on the structure, etc., of the possible books. Thanks in advance [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 13:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC) : I think the small/mini books could be merged into subject books that already exist in some cases, [[Computer Programming]] for example. I think books like [[Puzzles]] and [[Card Games]] might also be good examples to follow for any efforts to reorganize and encourage new contributions. Some books might need to go as being too narrowly focused, I doubt any school is going to offer a Degree in Wheelies any time soon. I think the scope of some books could be broaden to encourage contributions, like [[How to Drive]] and [[Living]]. I think some books could be narrowed to encourage more focused contributions, like [[United States Military Service]]. --<span style="font: bold 10pt 'courier new', comic, sans, ms;">[[User:Darklama|<span style="color:midnightblue">dark</span>]][[User_talk:Darklama|<span style="color:green">lama</span>]]</span> 15:03, 29 February 2012 (UTC) ::''I doubt any school is going to offer a Degree in Wheelies'' from Klingon to Wheelies seems a small step, so you never know [[User:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#E66C2C">'''QU'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:QuiteUnusual|<span style="color:#306754">TalkQu</span>]]} 15:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC) 0xrmh8ogul66lrwz3zfgbv5r44in87m 1 382564 4639398 4567232 2026-06-08T18:45:36Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639398 wikitext text/x-wiki = System of Government = About the system of government: some sources (e.g. Globe & Mail) gives answer to this question as "Constitutional Monarchy" and not "Parliamentary Democracy"). Can someone explain? Some sources indicate government type as "constitutional monarchy" while here it is "Parliamentary Government". Which is correct? :Parliamentary Government is the correct one. (Source: A Look At Canada, 2007 Edition) :They are both Correct. Canada is a Federal Parliamentary Democracy AND a Constitutional Monarchy. :~ As the previous comment states: '''Canada is a STATE with a Federal SYSTEM''' ('''Federal State'''), as it is mentioned, it is also a '''Parliamentary Democracy''', as it is mentione too, none the less, it is a '''Constitutional Monarchy''', just as it is confirmed above. Google: Discover Canada.pdf, Discover Canada.epub Discover Canada.MP3 or just read on line from the web page (all the same) [http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/discover/index.asp ''' ''here'' '''] :1.) It is a '''FEDERAL state''' - since confederation - it's '''a system''' in which individual '''parts join together''' under the same banner /flag, e.g. symbol of the state /you could just say join together '''into a state''', but '''not simply merge''' into 1 entity with no distinction from what they were before, '''but as states joined in a federation''', multiple legal entities, '''that kept their Legislative Assemblies''', (read: their own governments), etc, '''still had transferred certain rights''', duties and responsibilities, jurisdictions '''to the highest level''' of government - '''the one that is made up of representatives of all of the joined parts''', in the most representative way /meaning in the most representative numbers possible to the numbers of citizens they represent /e.g. representation should be reflected in numbers; a fair representation of the population in the Parliament. Example: '''smaller the population density of the given territory''' township or Provinces /Territories '''less seats in the Legislative Assembly''' (local, provincial, federal Legislative Assembly respectively). :2.) It is '''Parliamentary system''' of government meaning Canada has a Parliament to govern it-self (Federal Ministers (MPs), First minister (PM /Prime Minister, it is copied in each of it's parts /Provinces /Territories) e.g. House of Commons; Senate (the Upper House /Upper Chamber - abolished, not working or never in an existence on Provincial /Territorial level); Governor General), complex governing body and a formal place of meeting of a Legislative Assembly. :3.) It is a '''Democracy''' b/c citizens elect their representatives in a democratic way, casting a secret ballot with a vote, to government bodies (Legislative Assemblies, on federal level, and replicated in Provincial /Territorial levels, except Nunavut, b/c they are way to small so they incorporate all that and consensus /tribal traditions in a publicly held secret vote of the elected representatives, when selecting cabinet and the first Minister, also Territories have Commissioners instead of Governors, with slightly less wide scope of rights, but only slightly, there is a difference, hence the difference in the name to indicate the fact), instead of government being appointed by the Monarch, as it was in the very beginning; The Monarch granted Canada the right to govern it-self in such manner. There are still different clauses in legal documents that binds politicians to act in a certain manner through the Governor General actions, but since they do all by the books, there is no fear of those "emergency" measures, in legal books called:''' ‘Royal Prerogatives’ '''or ''' ‘Reserve Powers’ '''; to be ever enacted, so the role of 11, Monarch (read: Queens), direct representatives, '''the Governor General and any of the 10 Lieutenant Governors''' (collective name: '''vice-regals''' /'''all 11 of them equally are only the Monarch representatives, not any more a 2 tier system, the difference in a name only indicates the diffrence of jurisdictions - Federal Government or Provincial Governments''') seems as ceremonial, even though, after all that transpired and has been amended and changed over the time in the legal frame, they ALL have more power over the Canadian government in the situation of emergency, should the situation require it, then the Monarch it-self. Emergency powers are properly known as the ‘Royal Prerogatives’ or ‘Reserve Powers’; and they include: 1.) '''The Prerogative to Dismiss and Appoint First Ministers (Federal and Provincial Prime Ministers)'''; 2.) '''Refusal of the dissolution of parliament''', and to 3.) '''Disallowing or Reserving legislation. Meaning, all of them could disallow or reserve legislation''', if 'things go south', in their respective Legislative Assembly, also the Governor General and any of the 10 Lieutenant Governors have: 4.) '''The Power to Dismiss their Premier or Prime Minister'''; 5.) '''Call for an Election'''; 6.) '''Offer the Government to an opposition party or coalition and even''', 7.) '''Veto Legislation'''. Even though these powers have not been in use for a long time, does not mean they are not binding by any means. Quite the contrary. So, it could only mean 1 thing: government has acted responsibly, and within a frame of good political conduct, therefor the sea was calm, the ride was easy /no ruff rides, no emergency rights to be enacted, all is great, do not rock the boot, especially for no reason. All in all, ‘Royal Prerogatives’ or ‘Reserve Powers’ so called emergency powers of the 11 vice-regals, not ceremonial at all, despite how it looks on the surface to a common person, all b/c Canada still formally is a Dominion, even though Government can change constitution without asking a Monarch, actually the British Parliament for the approval, in translation, Queen washed up her hands from us, but in a sense, Canada is not 100% trusted as an responsible /reasonable, all grown-up /adult country, so the beef-ed up role of the 11 vice-regals still stands, alive and kicking in the legislature /read 'books' (legal books /by law), all b/c of fears of secession of it's parts. In a sense it is not the worst legal "catch 22" when you get to understand it. Canada is stronger player united, in a sense even if the influence has been reduced, through the Commonwealth Realm both countries are strengthen by it - meaning alliance of any kind (be it a trade one or other) of stronger countries is always better then alliance of weaker, reduced entities /countries. There is a very strong reason of why things have been as they are. There are no missed points or misguided ones, especially from the stand point of the British, who claimed the land at the end of the colonial times - the strongest and the luckiest got to rule and make the rules. :4.) Canada is also a '''Constitutional Monarchy''' - '''since''' the forming of it, read: constitution (meaning making of, '''constituting, establishing, founding, forming''', the creation, setting up, very begging of the legal framing as a country from it's humble beginnings of tribal settlements, over companies, colonial fortifications, colonial settlements, colonial territories /different, self standing legal entities refered to as just British colonies, then colonial provinces, to finally constitution as a Dominion of Canada) - '''a Monarch was and still is the Head of State, and is still''', currently the Queen of Canada, Her Majesty Elizabeth II. ([[Special:Contributions/99.231.192.146|99.231.192.146]] ([[User talk:99.231.192.146|discuss]]) 06:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)) = Most recent province = Someone, this evening, changed the answer to the question about the most recent Candaian province. They changed the answer from 'Prince Edward Island' to 'Nunavut'. I'm not Canadian so therefore not 100% sure about the differences between province and territory but I suspect that Nunavut is only a territory so the answer to the question should be PE Island (which is a province). Can someone who knows a little more than me check this and revert the edit if necessary. [[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 22:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC) :Nunavut is indeed a territory. PEI is not the most recent addition, however - it is NL which is the youngest province; the text is correct now. &nbsp;'''&ndash;&nbsp;<span style="color:Indigo">Mike.lifeguard</span>'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Mike.lifeguard|<span style="color:Indigo">talk</span>]]} 22:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC) :Newfoundland is the last Province and Nunavut is the Most recent Territory to join the Confederation. :([[Special:Contributions/99.231.192.146|99.231.192.146]] ([[User talk:99.231.192.146|discuss]]) 07:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)) says: :Expansion of the Dominion by Provinces /Territories :('''Advice: Sort the table bellow by the column 'Year of joining the Confederation' ''') {| class="sortable" |- ! Sorted Geographically !! '''Canadian Provinces ''' !! '''Year of joining the Confederation''' |- | ___________________________ || ___________________________ || _____________________________________ |- | 01. || '''Newfoundland & Labrador''' || '''1949''' |- | 02. || '''Prince Edward Island''' || '''1873''' |- | 03. || '''Nova Scotia''' || '''1867''' |- | 04. || '''New Brunswick''' || '''1867''' |- | 05. || '''Quebec''' || '''1867''' |- | 06. || '''Ontario''' || '''1867''' |- | 07. || '''Manitoba''' || '''1870''' |- | 08. || '''Saskatchewan''' || '''1905''' |- | 09. || '''Alberta''' || '''1905''' |- | 10. || '''British Columbia''' || '''1871''' |} {| class="sortable" |- ! Sorted Geographically !! '''Canadian Territories''' !! '''Year of joining the Confederation''' |- | ___________________________ || ___________________________ || _____________________________________ |- | 01. || '''Yukon Territory''' || '''1898''' |- | 02. || '''Northwest Territories''' || '''1870''' |- | 03. || '''Nunavut''' || '''1999''' |} :'''1880''' — Transfer of the '''Arctic Islands''' to N.W.T. :'''Trivia''': :Province of New Brunswick was originally a territory included in the area that made up Nova Scotia. :It was later separated and established as a province of New Brunswick in 1784. :Then the elected representatives were '''elected''' in '''New Brunswick''' in '''1785''', :and finally in '''Ontario and''' in '''Québec''' in '''1791'''. :Those were the '''beginnings of the democracy''' in Canada. :Rigid colonial rules and seemingly slow progress toward full democracy sparked rebellions of 1837–1838 :in Toronto and Monteral, were extinguished in blood. :After the rebellions, Lord Durham was asked to undertake a study and :prepare a report on the matter and to offer a solution for the British Parliament to assess. :Following Durham's report, the British government merged the two colonial provinces :into a Province of Canada with the '''Act of Union''' of '''1840'''. :The two colonies remained distinct in administration, election, and law. :The Province of Canada was formed in '''1840''' uniting Upper and Lower Canada. :First to attain '''full responsible government''' was '''Nova Scotia''' in 1847/'''1848'''. :In 1848/'''1849''' the governor of United Canada, Lord Elgin, introduced the system called '''responsible government'''. :In 1848, Baldwin and LaFontaine, allies and leaders of the Reformist party, :were asked by Lord Elgin to form an administration together under the new policy of responsible government. :The French language subsequently regained legal status in the Legislature. :In '''1867''', with the British North America Act, 1867, also called the Constitution Act, 1867, :the '''Dominion''' of Canada united '''Nova Scotia''', '''New Brunswick''' with Province of Canada, but the :Province of Canada was split back to two provinces, this time under new names of '''Ontario''' and '''Québec'''. :Dominion of Canada become a self-governing dominion with :'''two levels of government''': '''federal''' & '''provincial'''. :It still lacked municipal /local level of government. :In 1896, Wilfrid Laurier became the first French Canadian to become Prime Minister of Canada. :Expansion of the Dominion: :'''1867''' — '''Ontario''' ('''ON'''), '''Québec,''' ('''QC'''), '''Nova Scotia''' ('''NS'''), '''New Brunswick''' ('''NB'''); :Québec is an Algonquin word for “narrow passage” or “strait”, :first used to describe the narrowing of the St. Lawrence River near what is now the City of Québec. :Then the fist fortified Fortress in the New world was named Québec. :Then part of the French Canada, that was a part of the New France, was called Québec. :Then nowadays Ontario and todays Québec and what remained of New France was called Québec. :The word "Canada" in 1600s was referred to the territory along the Saint Lawrence River, :then known as the Canada river, from Grosse Island in the east to a point between Quebec :and Three Rivers, Trois-Rivières, :although this territory had greatly expanded by 1600. :Word Canada came from word Huron-Iroquois word “kanata,” meaning “village” or “settlement, mid XVI century. :Then nothing, except for the capital city of Lower Canada :(land downstream from the St. Lawrence River) was called Québec, :Then Québec ceased to be a capital, by abolishing Lower Canada in favor of creation of :The Province of Canada, in reality just a new name for the old French Canada (Québec), :then only a small portion of what once was called Québec, was again renamed to Québec, :while mostly English speaking Loyalist settlers got the part of the territory :formerly called Upper Canada, nowadays Ontario. :(Like a dance, steps back - step forward - step on the side). :The earliest recording of the '''name Ontario''' was '''in 1641''' where it was used to '''describe''' :a mass of '''land on the north shore of the easternmost part of the Great Lakes'''. :Word Ontario came from the Iroquois word which translates into “sparkling” water. :In 1759, the British aimed directly at the heart of New France. :General James Wolfe led British troops to the fortress of Québec (city). :Marquis Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, held the walled city of Québec :under Wolfe's siege for more than two months, exchanging cannon fire over the river, :but neither side could break the siege. Wolfe moved to force a battle, :the British troops crossed close to Cap-Rouge, west of the city and :successfully climbed the steep Cape Diamond undetected get into the Québec citadel. :Marquis Montcalm, did not use the protection of the fortress, 9 meter high city walls, :decided to lead troops in a bloody battle on the the Plains of Abraham, an open terrain, :both leaders died in battle, but the British won. Marquis Montcalm lived 4h after being shoot, :realizing the battle is lost. As the main city and capital, fell in British hands, :it was just the matter of time when inner cities of Trois-Rivières and Montreal :will meet the same fate. Marquis Pierre de Rigaud, last Royal governor of New France, :surrendered Montreal, in 1760, after a lost battle, exactly one year after the fall of Québec. :Land called Québec become a British colony, The Province of Québec (todays Ontario, Québec, part of USA). :The British settlers had originally called the land that covered nowadays Québec, Ontario, :and part of the United States as Québec. It wasn’t until the British enacted :the Constitutional Act in '''1791''' that Ontario would be known as the '''land upstream''' :'''from the St. Lawrence River''', or '''Upper Canada''', and Québec considered the :land downstream from the St. Lawrence River, known as Lower Canada. :'''1870''' — '''Northwest Territories''' ('''NT'''); :(NT - aka N.W.T. - that at that time included territories of today Saskatchewan, Alberta, Yukon, :Nunavut and a part that has been redefined as a new Canadian Province of Manitoba and excluded from N.W.T.) :Prior to 1870, it was known as the North-Western Territory. The name has always been :just a description of the location of the territory. :'''1870''' — '''Manitoba''' ('''MB''') (the first province created from part of NWT, with this act of :joining the Dominion of Canada); :Name of the province came from the name of the Manitoba Lake, which is a derivation of the term that :describes (the Great) Spirit and the strange sound of waves crashing against rocks near the narrows of the :lake Manitoba :in a term broadly translated as “the narrows of the Great Spirit”. :'''1871''' — '''British Columbia''' ('''BC''') (completing the idea from Atlantic, Arctic, to Pacific - Sea-to-Sea-to-Sea); :BC got it's name “Columbia”, after the Columbia River. :The central region was given the name of “New Caledonia” by explorer Simon Fraser. :To avoid confusion with Colombia in South America and the island of New Caledonia in the Pacific Ocean, :Queen Victoria named the area British Columbia when it became a colony in 1858. :'''1873''' — '''Prince Edward Island''' ('''PE''') (completing the joining of Maritime colonies /provinces to the Dominion); :The province’s earliest documented name was given by the native Mi’kmaq, and meant “cradled in the waves”. :French /AcadiansIt later named it Saint-Jean island. :When it became British in 1763, it was renamed St. John’s Island. :In 1799 the English declared that the island would be renamed to Prince Edward Island :in honour of the Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent and Strathearn. :'''1880''' — Transfer of the '''Arctic Islands''' to N.W.T.; :In 1882 Alberta was established as a provisional district of the North West Territories, :without a name, but got a name in 1905 when Alberta officially became a province, :after Queen Victoria’s fourth daughter, Princess Louise Caroline Alberta. :'''1898''' — '''Yukon''' was Yukon Territory ('''YT''') (created from part of NWT, with this act of joining the Dominion of Canada), :From the “Great river" for the Yukon River in Inuit. It was named “Yukon Territory” in 1898, :but became just “Yukon” under the Yukon Act of 2003. :'''1905''' — '''Alberta''', '''Saskatchewan''' ('''AB'''), ('''SK''') - created from part of NWT with this act of joining the Dominion of Canada); :Saskatchewan is the middle part of the Cree word describing “swift-flowing river”; :in a wide stroke translation it could be said it means Flow. :'''1949''' — '''Newfoundland (& Labrador)''' ('''NL''') (with the Act of Newfoundland & Labrador 1949, :by the British Parliament in London, UK), until then NL operated as an separate British entity /province /colony. :The province was officially renamed Newfoundland & Labrador in December 2001 :when an amendment was made to the Constitution of Canada. :King Henry VII of England referred to the land discovered by John Cabot in 1497 as the “New Found Launde.” :It’s likely that name Labrador came from an explorer in 1500, :in broad translation farmer, agriculturalist, landowner. :'''1999''' — '''Nunavut''' ('''NU''') (created from part of NT as it's subdivision, with this act of joining the Dominion of Canada). :Nunavut means “our land” in Inuit. [[Special:Contributions/99.231.192.146|99.231.192.146]] ([[User talk:99.231.192.146|discuss]]) 07:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC) : : = Provincial Representation = what is right answer for 5. What is the name of your provincial representative (member of the Legislative Assembly, member of the provincial Parliament, member of the National Assembly or member of the House of Assembly)? obviously not as it is, because Gerry Sklavounos, B.C.L., LL.B., (born December 16, 1974) is a Quebec politician. He is the current Liberal Member of the National Assembly for the electoral district of Laurier-Dorion, as well as the parliamentary assistant to the Minister of Health and Social Services. '''Members of Canadian Provincial and Territorial Assemblies employ the titles''' {| class="sortable" |- ! '''Members of''' !! '''Shortened''' !! '''Province /Territory''' |- | Member of the Provincial Parliament or || (MPP) || in ('''ON''') Ontario since 1938; also MAs /Members of the Assembly |- | Member of the National Assembly or || (MNA) || in ('''QC''') Quebec |- | Member of the House of Assembly or || (MHA) || in ('''NL''') Newfoundland & Labrador |- | Member of the Legislative Assembly or || (MLA) || in '''BC''', '''AB''', '''SK''', '''MB''', '''NB''', '''NS''', '''NU''', '''NT''', '''YT''' |} e.g. Elected Provincial /Territory '''representatives''' in the Legislatures have these '''titles''': ~ '''MPP'''s in ON, at the Provincial Parliament called Parliament of Ontario or The Legislative Assembly of '''Ontario'''; ~ '''MLA'''s in BC, AB, SK, MB, NB, NS, NU, NT, YT, at The Legislative Assemblies at any of the Parliaments of '''BC''', '''AB''', '''SK''', '''MB''', '''NB''', '''NS''', '''NU''', '''NT''', '''YT'''; ~ '''MHA'''s in NL, at The NL House of Assembly, at The General Assembly of '''Newfoundland & Labrador'''; ~ '''MNA'''s in QC, at The National Assembly, that is the Lower House today, part of The Legislature of '''Québec'''. ([[Special:Contributions/99.231.192.146|99.231.192.146]] ([[User talk:99.231.192.146|discuss]]) 06:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)) == *[[Voiced labio-velar fapproximant]] *[[Wh (digraph)]] *[[Omega|ω (omega)]] * '''W''' stands for [[Work (physics)|Work]] in physics * '''W''' is the symbol for "[[watt]]" in the [[International System of Units]] (SI) == *[[Voiced labio-velar fapproximant]] *[[Wh (digraph)]] *[[Omega|ω (omega)]] * '''W''' stands for [[Work (physics)|Work]] in physics * '''W''' is the symbol for "[[watt]]" in the [[International System of Units]] (SI) csjgoq2doi2950q85qko492lwr7c952 4 384543 4639428 4409556 2026-06-08T19:31:13Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639428 wikitext text/x-wiki {{talk archive}} == Blocking of {{user|73.99.94.203}} == I do not know much, but this IP is connected to an user, and should be blocked ASAP. This seems to be connected to a blocked editor, and is making attack pages. Please block. [[User:PokestarFan|PokestarFan]] ([[User talk:PokestarFan|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PokestarFan|contribs]]) 23:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC) : Ajraddatz applied a one-week global block. I hid the attack on en.wb and en.wn (the two projects where I'm an admin). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 00:11, 8 April 2017 (UTC) == Could someone protect [[User:PokestarFan/sig]] with autoconfirmed protection? == It contains my signature, and it took 10 minutes to make. <p><span style="color: #ff0000;">P<span style="color: #ff6600;">o<span style="color: #ffff00;">k<span style="color: #008000;">e<span style="color: #0000ff;">s<span style="color: #333399;">t<span style="color: #800080;">a<span style="color: #ff0000;">r<span style="color: #ff6600;">F<span style="color: #ffff00;">a<span style="color: #008000;">n [[User talk:PokestarFan|<span style="color: #0000ff;">(<span style="color: #0000ff;">t<span style="color: #333399;">a<span style="color: #800080;">l<span style="color: #ff0000;">k)</span></span></span></span></span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/PokestarFan|<span style="color: #ff6600;">(c<span style="color: #ffff00;">o<span style="color: #008000;">n<span style="color: #0000ff;">t<span style="color: #333399;">r<span style="color: #333399;">i<span style="color: #800080;">b<span style="color: #ff0000;">s)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>]]&nbsp;<span style="color: #0000ff; background-color: #999999;">[[User talk:PokestarFan|What do you think?]]</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> 00:58, 8 April 2017 (UTC) : {{done}} --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 01:55, 8 April 2017 (UTC) == {{user|82.32.50.222}} == Noting here an admin action I've just taken. This IP made some edits to [[Wikijunior:Dinosaurs]] that I was dealing with a few hours ago; perhaps because the character of the edits felt askew, I checked things carefully, and found that some of it was more-or-less valid, some was close enough that one might wonder whether it was a matter of different sources, some was highly unlikely and some was absurd. I fixed it up, removing some, and sighted it (which took a good deal of time and effort) but suspected the contributor was either a young person with an overly liberal attitude toward putting in stuff they didn't have a solid grasp of, or possibly a troll pulling our chain. Subsequently, they created the framework for a whole book parallel to <code>Wikijunior:Dinosaurs</code>, called <code>Wikijunior:Dinosaurs, Like Me</code>. I was unsure what to make of it, so I went off to do other things and checked back later. They'd continued, and various pages had stuff in them that started sounding colloquial but maybe-plausible and then would have nonsense stuck in. I think this user was trolling, systematically. They appear to know too much to be a child. I gave them a one-week block and used Special:Nuke to remove the book, which seems to me to have been primarily meant to embed BS in the material ("B" here stands, presumably, for "Brontosaurus"). --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 15:57, 11 March 2017 (UTC) :I trust your analysis but I would have created this IP talk page, just to gather a few targeted information. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 17:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC) :[[Wikijunior:Dinosaurs of Uncertainty|He's back]], and this time he seems to have restrained his particular sense of humour. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 19:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC) :: I disagree with your interpretation. "Dinosaurs of Uncertainty", i.e., proving that wiki content is BS. Each page having something in it that's nonsense. I'm going to apply a longer block and another nuke. I agree with you there should be some record on the IP's user talk, so the backstory can be found easily. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 20:42, 23 March 2017 (UTC) {{od|2}}{{Ping|Pi zero|JackPotte}} Why are IPs even allowed to create books? That should be disabled. [[User:PokestarFan|PokestarFan]] ([[User talk:PokestarFan|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PokestarFan|contribs]]) 23:42, 7 April 2017 (UTC) : Forbidding IPs to create pages is unfriendly; it's discouraging participation, in quite a direct way. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 00:04, 8 April 2017 (UTC) ::I plus this, the wiki spirit to allow anyone to post anonymously is its recipe for success. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 11:47, 8 April 2017 (UTC) == Persistent Vandalism by [[Special:Contributions/216.108.166.140|216.108.166.140]] == Hi, the IP [[Special:Contributions/216.108.166.140|216.108.166.140]] has repeatedly vandalized the page [[French/Grammar/Prepositions]] despite the warnings. I request your blocking. Thanks. —[[User:AlvaroMolina|<span style="color:#1406D0">'''Alvaro Molina'''</span>]] ([[User Talk:AlvaroMolina|<span style="color:#137500">'''✉'''</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/AlvaroMolina|<span style="color:#137500">✔</span>]]) 21:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC) : {{done}} --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 23:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC) == Protect [[User:PokestarFan/Backup 1]] and talk page == I want to be able to go back to this if I ever make any drastic changes to my userspace. {{User:PokestarFan/sig}} 04:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC) :{{done}} [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JackPotte|contribs]]) 08:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC) == Block {{u|Pickahome}} == That is a spam/advertizing name, and he is advertizing on his userpage. {{User:PokestarFan/sig}} 12:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC) :Blocked by Quiteunusual, so marking this {{done}}. [[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 15:13, 13 April 2017 (UTC) == [[Special:Block/Kat sell|Block]] [[User:Kat sell|Kat sell]] due to their age. == They wrote on their userpage that they are 12 years old, which is too young for Wikibooks. Also, please could someone oversight/supress their edits on userpage? {{User:PokestarFan/sig}} 18:24, 16 April 2017 (UTC) : It is not, necessarily, too young for Wikibooks. It depends on the maturity (emotional, social, intellectual) of the individual. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 19:06, 16 April 2017 (UTC) : In this instance, of course, the user has been messing around, doing some minor vandalism. If they do it again I'd be inclined to give them a brief block. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 19:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC) ::Ok then. {{User:PokestarFan/sig}} 19:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC) ::: Blocked for 24 hours. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 00:10, 17 April 2017 (UTC) I don't understand why a user needs to be blocked because they are 12 years old. Where did that come about? [[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 11:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC) == Semi-protect [[Puzzles/Riddles]] == This page gets vandalized a lot. Please semi protect it. {{User:PokestarFan/sig}} 01:39, 22 April 2017 (UTC) : Looking at the timeline in the edit history, I've given it a three-month semi-protection. --[[User:Pi zero|Pi zero]] ([[User talk:Pi zero|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pi zero|contribs]]) 03:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC) 6k90ufrp8jrxlthdaqbs23z1piwyka3 0 387653 4639473 4636880 2026-06-09T11:30:39Z ~2026-33999-47 3603794 Added a java solution for List Characters 4639473 wikitext text/x-wiki This is for the AQA AS Computer Science Specification. This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. '''Please be respectful and do not vandalise or tamper with the page, as this would affect students' preparation for their exams!''' == Read / Write to binary file == Modify the program in order to allow the user to read / write the transmission (from form of spaces and equals signs) to a binary format (in order to reduce space taken to store) {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> # These functions need to be added to relavent subroutines if support for a binary file is required: # BinaryEncode result passed as parameter to BinaryWrite with filename, called from SendMorseCode (pass MorseCodeString to BinaryEncode) # BinaryRead result (parameter is file name) passed as parameter to BinaryDecode, and the return is to be used as variable Transmission in GetTransmission() # Python binary file handling reads / writes in bytes. Therefore, for optimum usage, we need to be making full use of each byte. Letting a space be a 0 and an equals sign be 1, each 8 characters from the currently supported text file become 1 byte. Leftmost character = first value in each byte, 8n th = last byte of array def BinaryEncode(Message): Bytes = [] Current = 128 Count = 0 for Character in Message: if Current == 0.5: Bytes.append(int(Count)) Count = 0 Current = 128 if Character == '=': Count += Current Current = Current / 2 if Count != 0: Bytes.append(int(Count)) return bytes(Bytes) # base10 -> base2 value def BinaryWrite(Bytes, FileName): FileHandle = open(FileName, 'wb') FileHandle.write(Bytes) FileHandle.flush() FileHandle.close() def BinaryRead(FileName): FileHandle = open(FileName, 'rb') ByteValues = list(FileHandle.read()) # base2 -> base10 value FileHandle.close() return ByteValues def BinaryDecode(Bytes): Message = str() for Byte in Bytes: for BitValue in [128, 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1]: if Byte >= BitValue: Byte -= BitValue Message += '=' else: Message += ' ' return Message # Example usage (using message from preliminary material Bin = (BinaryEncode("=== = = === === = = === ")) BinaryWrite(Bin, 'binfile') print(BinaryDecode(BinaryRead('binfile'))) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{BookCat}} == Substitution Cipher == This question refers to the subroutines '''GetTransmission''' and '''ReceiveMorseCode'''. The question requires the creation of subroutines '''GetKey''' and '''DecryptTransmission'''. The '''Skeleton Program''' is to be adapted so that messages encrypted with a substitution cipher can be '''received''' and '''decrypted'''. The method of decryption will be to apply a '''decryption key''' to the message. In a substitution cipher, every character is replaced with another character. For example, every letter A could be substituted with the number 7. The '''decryption key''' will be stored in a text file, consisting of 36 characters. The first 26 characters will represent the letters A – Z and the next 10 will represent the numbers from 0 – 9.  A new subroutine GetKey needs to be created, which will read and return the key from a '''file specified by the user'''. If no key is specified, the subroutine should return the key: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789. This key should be interpreted to mean that every character represents itself. A new subroutine DecryptTransmission needs to be created, which will apply the decryption key to the transmission. It will be called by a new line in ReceiveMorseCode, to be inserted '''before''' print(PlainText): PlainText = DecryptTransmission(PlainText). {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot): PlainText = EMPTYSTRING MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING Transmission = GetTransmission() LastChar = len(Transmission) - 1 i = 0 while i < LastChar: i, CodedLetter = GetNextLetter(i, Transmission) MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + SPACE + CodedLetter PlainTextLetter = Decode(CodedLetter, Dash, Letter, Dot) PlainText = PlainText + PlainTextLetter print(MorseCodeString) PlainText = DecryptTransmission(PlainText) print(PlainText) def GetKey(): theline = '' with open('keykey.txt', 'r') as decryptionkey: for line in decryptionkey: theline = line return theline def DecryptTransmission(gibberish): keys = GetKey() #print(keys) keylst = [] for i in keys: keylst.append(i) actualword = list('ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789') decryptedmessage = '' for lettertodecrypt in gibberish: if lettertodecrypt in keys: decryptedmessage += actualword[keylst.index(lettertodecrypt)] elif lettertodecrypt == ' ': decryptedmessage += ' ' else: print('Invalid') return decryptedmessage </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Validation of a menu option == The program currently just prints the menu again when an incorrect option is input; add validation so the program prints a message when an invalid option is input. {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> switch (MenuOption) { case "R": ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot); break; case "S": SendMorseCode(MorseCode); break; case "X": ProgramEnd = true; break; default: Console.WriteLine("You have made an invalid selection. Try again"); break; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Procedure SendReceiveMessages(); const Dash: array[0..26] of Integer = (20,23,0,0,24,1,0,17,0,21,0,25,0,15,11,0,0,0,0,22,13,0,0,10,0,0,0); Dot : array[0..26] of Integer = (5,18,0,0,2,9,0,26,0,19,0,3,0,7,4,0,0,0,12,8,14,6,0,16,0,0,0); Letter : array[0..26] of Char= (' ','A','B','C','D','E','F','G','H','I','J','K','L','M','N','O','P','Q','R','S','T','U','V','W','X','Y','Z'); MorseCode : array[0..26] of String= (' ','.-','-...','-.-.','-..','.','..-.','--.','....','..','.---','-.-','.-..','--','-.','---','.--.','--.-','.-.','...','-','..-','...-','.--','-..-','-.--','--..'); var ProgramEnd : Boolean; MenuOption : String; begin ProgramEnd := False; while not(ProgramEnd) do begin DisplayMenu(); MenuOption := GetMenuOption(); if (MenuOption = 'R') or (MenuOption ='r') then ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot) else if (MenuOption = 'S') or (MenuOption='s') then SendMorseCode(MorseCode) else if (MenuOption = 'X') or (menuOption='x') then ProgramEnd := True else writeln('you did not enter a valid option.'); readln; end; end </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> static void sendReceiveMessages() throws IOException { int[] dash = { 20, 23, 0, 0, 24, 1, 0, 17, 0, 21, 0, 25, 0, 15, 11, 0, 0, 0, 0, 22, 13, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, 0 }; int[] dot = { 5, 18, 0, 0, 2, 9, 0, 26, 0, 19, 0, 3, 0, 7, 4, 0, 0, 0, 12, 8, 14, 6, 0, 16, 0, 0, 0 }; char[] letter = { ' ', 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'I', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', 'Q', 'R', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z' }; String[] morseCode = { " ", ".-", "-...", "-.-.", "-..", ".", "..-.", "--.", "....", "..", ".---", "-.-", ".-..", "--", "-.", "---", ".--.", "--.-", ".-.", "...", "-", "..-", "...-", ".--", "-..-", "-.--", "--.." }; boolean programEnd = false; while (!programEnd) { displayMenu(); String menuOption = scan.next(); if (menuOption.equalsIgnoreCase("r")) { receiveMorseCode(dash, letter, dot); } else if (menuOption.equalsIgnoreCase("s")) { sendMorseCode(morseCode); } else if (menuOption.equalsIgnoreCase("x")) { programEnd = true; }else { System.out.println("That was an Incorrect Input"); } } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def GetMenuOption(): MenuOption = EMPTYSTRING Correct = False while len(MenuOption) != 1: MenuOption = input("Enter your choice: ") if MenuOption == 'R' or MenuOption == 'S' or MenuOption == 'X': Correct = True else: {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} MenuOption = input("Invalid choice. Re-Enter your choice: ") return MenuOption ## Change from lower to upper case with ascii incase they lead you up to it or tell you to use ascii instead of .upper() def GetMenuOption(): MenuOption = EMPTYSTRING while len(MenuOption) != 1: MenuOption = raw_input("Enter your choice: ") Ascii = ord(MenuOption) if Ascii>=97: Ascii=Ascii-32 MenuOption=chr(Ascii) return MenuOption </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Translate transmission directly to English (bypass file) == Update receive signal to allow direct input rather than txt file. {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> private static string GetTransmission() { string choice = EMPTYSTRING;//declares to empty Console.WriteLine ("Would you like to load a file (Y/N)");//outputs the line choice = Console.ReadLine().ToUpper();//assigns the value string Transmission;//declares if (choice == "Y") { string FileName = EMPTYSTRING; //declare Console.Write("Enter file name: ");//outputty FileName = (Console.ReadLine() + ".txt");//assigns try//error handling { Transmission = File.ReadAllText(FileName);//assings varaible to text from the file in bin Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission);//removes spaces at the start of the transmission if (Transmission.Length > 0)//chekcs length { Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission);//strips spaces from the end of the text Transmission = Transmission + EOL; //adds the global to it } } catch { ReportError("No transmission found"); //catches if the try errors calling sub //give instructions Console.WriteLine("Please enter a valid text file name that is in the bin/debug"); Transmission = EMPTYSTRING;//assigns it to empty } } else { Console.WriteLine("Please enter your transmission");//outputs Transmission = Console.ReadLine();//assigns Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission);//strips spaces at the start if (Transmission.Length > 0)//chekcs length { Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission);//strips spaces from the end of the text Transmission = Transmission + EOL; //adds the global to it } } return Transmission;//returns transmission } THIS REQUIRES AN INPUT OF TRANSMISSION RATHER THAN DIRECT MORSE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Function GetTransmissionFromFile() : String; var FileName : String; FileHandle : Textfile; Transmission : String; begin write('Enter file name: '); readln(FileName); try assign(FileHandle,FileName); reset(FileHandle); readln(FileHandle, Transmission); close(FileHandle); Transmission := StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission); if length(Transmission) > 0 then begin Transmission := StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission); Transmission := Transmission + EOL; end; except on E: exception do begin ReportError('No transmission found'); Transmission := EMPTYSTRING; end; end ; GetTransmissionFromFile := Transmission; end; Function GetTransmissionFromInput() : String; var transmission : String; begin writeln('please enter your transmission (using = to signify on and a space to represent off) '); readln(transmission); Transmission :=StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission); if length(Transmission) > 0 then begin Transmission := StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission); Transmission := Transmission + EOL; end; GetTransmissionFromInput := Transmission; end; Function GetAnyTransmission() : string; var choice: string; valid: integer; begin repeat begin writeln('Do you want to receive transmission from a file?(Y/N) '); readln (choice); if (Choice = 'Y') or (Choice = 'y') or (Choice = 'yes') or (Choice= 'YES') or (Choice= 'Yes') then begin valid := 1; GetAnyTransmission := GetTransmissionFromFile(); end else if (Choice ='N') or (Choice = 'n') or (Choice = 'no') or (Choice= 'NO') or (Choice ='No') then begin valid := 1; GetAnyTransmission := GetTransmissionFromInput(); end else begin valid := 0; writeln('You have not entered a valid response'); end; end; until Valid = 1; end; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def GetTransmission(): choice = input("Would you like to load a file? (Y/N): ") if choice == "Y": FileName = input("Enter file name: ") try: FileHandle = open(FileName, 'r') Transmission = FileHandle.readline() FileHandle.close() Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission) if len(Transmission) > 0: Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission) Transmission = Transmission + EOL except: ReportError("No transmission found") Transmission = EMPTYSTRING else: Transmission = input("Enter your transmission String: ") Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission) if len(Transmission) > 0: Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission) Transmission = Transmission + EOL return Transmission </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> Function GetTransmission() As String Dim Filename As String Dim Transmission As String Dim choice As String Console.WriteLine("Do you wish to load a file?") choice = Console.ReadLine If choice = "yes " Then Console.Write("Enter file name: ") Try Filename = Console.ReadLine() Dim Reader As New StreamReader(Filename) Transmission = Reader.ReadLine Reader.Close() Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission) If Transmission.Length() > 0 Then Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission) Transmission = Transmission + EOL End If Catch ReportError("No transmission found") Transmission = EMPTYSTRING End Try Else Console.WriteLine("please enter the morse code string") Transmission = Console.ReadLine Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission) If Transmission.Length() > 0 Then Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission) Transmission = Transmission + EOL End If End If Return Transmission End Function </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Save a .txt file when sending Morse Code == -Convert generated Morse into transmission signal. -Write the transmission signal into txt file. {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> // Add SaveToFile(MorseCodeString) to last line of the SendMorseCode() subroutine, and also define the following subroutines: private static void SaveToFile(string MorseCodeString) // ADDED - SAVE TO FILE { Console.WriteLine("Would You like to save the message to a file (Y/N)?"); string SaveChoice = Console.ReadLine(); // Check whether user wants to save to file if (SaveChoice[0] == 'y' || SaveChoice[0] == 'Y') // [0] to only account for first character of input (both cases checked) { try { Console.WriteLine("Enter the name of the file to save the message to: "); string FileName = Console.ReadLine(); // User input file name if (!FileName.Contains(".txt")) // If it doesn't contain '.txt' then add the ".txt" to FileName { FileName += ".txt"; // Append .txt if not present } StreamWriter FileSaver = new StreamWriter(FileName); // Open file in write mode (new StreamWriter) FileSaver.Write(MorseCodeString); // Write the MorseCodeString to the File chosen FileSaver.Close(); } catch { ReportError("Error when writing to file."); // Error handling message } Console.WriteLine("File successfully written"); } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> static void sendMorseCode(String[] morseCode) throws IOException { Console.write("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): "); String plainText = Console.readLine(); plainText=plainText.toUpperCase(); int plainTextLength = plainText.length(); String morseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING; int index; for (int i = 0; i < plainTextLength; i++) { char plainTextLetter = plainText.charAt(i); if (plainTextLetter == SPACE) { index = 0; } else { index = (int) plainTextLetter - (int) 'A' + 1; } String codedLetter = morseCode[index]; morseCodeString = morseCodeString + codedLetter + SPACE; } Console.writeLine(morseCodeString); System.out.println("Do you want to save you message \n 1:Y \n 2:N"); String choice = scan.next(); switch(choice) { case "Y": filewriter(morseCodeString); break; case "N": break; default: System.out.println("That was not an option /n Your data will be stored"); filewriter(morseCodeString); break; } } public static void filewriter(String sendMorseCode) throws IOException { System.out.println("Enter the name of the file"); String filename = scan.next(); FileWriter fw = new FileWriter(filename); PrintWriter end = new PrintWriter(fw); end.print(sendMorseCode); end.close(); fw.close(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> #SBaker May 18 4. Save a text file when sending Morse Code #we need to format MorseCodeString into the output format outputString = '' for letter in MorseCodeString: if letter == '.': outputString = outputString + "= " elif letter == '-': outputString = outputString + "=== " elif letter == ' ': outputString = outputString + " " FileName = input("Enter file name: ") try: FileHandle = open(FileName, 'w') FileHandle.write(outputString) FileHandle.close() except: ReportError("No file found") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> Sub SendMorseCode(ByVal MorseCode() As String) Dim PlainText As String Dim PlainTextLength As Integer Dim MorseCodeString As String Dim PlainTextLetter As Char Dim CodedLetter As String Dim Index As Integer Console.Write("Enter your message (letters and spaces only): ") PlainText = Console.ReadLine() PlainText = PlainText.ToUpper() PlainTextLength = PlainText.Length() MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING For i = 0 To PlainTextLength - 1 PlainTextLetter = PlainText(i) If PlainTextLetter = SPACE Then Index = 0 Else Index = Asc(PlainTextLetter) - Asc("A") + 1 End If CodedLetter = MorseCode(Index) MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE Next Console.WriteLine(MorseCodeString) Console.WriteLine("Would you like to save this to a text file?") Dim save As String = Console.ReadLine() If save = "Y" Or save = "y" Then Dim fileTitle As String Console.WriteLine("What would you like to call the file?") fileTitle = Console.ReadLine() Dim fileLoc As String fileLoc = "H:\Documents\2018 June\VB\" + fileTitle + ".txt" Dim fs As New FileStream(fileLoc, FileMode.CreateNew, FileAccess.Write) Dim sw As New StreamWriter(fs) sw.WriteLine(MorseCodeString) sw.Flush() Else Console.WriteLine("Okay.") Console.ReadLine() End If End Sub </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Create and save transmission signal when sending == -Convert generated Morse into transmission signal. -Write the transmission signal into txt file. {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> // Add EncodeMorseCode(MorseCodeString) to last line of the SendMorseCode() subroutine, and also define the following subroutines: private static void EncodeMorseCode(string MorseCode) // Function to convert MorseCodeString to the '=' and (Space) format in Preliminary Material { Console.WriteLine("Would You like to save the message to a file (Y/N)?"); string ShouldSave = Console.ReadLine(); // Check whether user wants to save to file if (ShouldSave[0] == 'y' || ShouldSave[0] == 'Y') // [0] to only account for first character of input (both cases checked) { try { Console.WriteLine("Enter the name of the file to save the message to: "); string FileName = Console.ReadLine(); // User input file name if (!FileName.Contains(".txt")) // If it doesn't contain '.txt' then add the ".txt" to FileName { FileName += ".txt"; // Append .txt if not present } StreamWriter CodedFileSaver = new StreamWriter(FileName); // Open file in write mode (new StreamWriter) // Use the built-in .Replace(old, new) method to swap out the relevant characters in C#. string CodedOutput = MorseCode.Replace("-", "=== ").Replace(".", "= ").Replace(" ", " ").Replace(" ", " "); // This now effectively formats the MorseCodeString message to the '=' and ' ' format CodedFileSaver.Write(CodedOutput); CodedFileSaver.Close(); } catch { ReportError("Error when writing to file."); // Error handling } Console.WriteLine("Coded File successfully written"); } } // S Wood - Teach </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Procedure SaveTransmission(Transmission : string); var FileHandle : TextFile; begin AssignFile(FileHandle, 'Message.txt'); try rewrite (FileHandle); writeln (FileHandle, Transmission); CloseFile (FileHandle); except on E: exception do writeln ('Exception: ', E.Message); end; end; Procedure SendMorseCode(MorseCode : Array of String); var PlainText, MorseCodeString, CodedLetter, TransmissionString : String; PlainTextLength, i, Index, k : Integer; PlainTextLetter : Char; begin write('Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): '); readln(PlainText); PlainTextLength := length(PlainText); MorseCodeString := EMPTYSTRING; TransmissionString := EMPTYSTRING; for i := 1 to PlainTextLength do begin PlainTextLetter := PlainText[i]; if PlainTextLetter = SPACE then Index := 0 else Index := ord(PlainTextLetter) - ord('A') + 1; CodedLetter := MorseCode[Index]; for k := 1 to length(CodedLetter) do begin case CodedLetter[k] of ' ': TransmissionString += ' '; '.': TransmissionString += '='; '-': TransmissionString += '===' end; TransmissionString += ' '; end; MorseCodeString := MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE; if i <> PlainTextLength then TransmissionString += ' '; end; writeln(MorseCodeString); SaveTransmission(TransmissionString); writeln ('Message encoded and saved in Message.txt'); end; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> for (int i = 0; i < morseCodeString.length(); i++) { char c = morseCodeString.charAt(i); if (c == '-') { morseCodeTransmission = morseCodeTransmission + " ==="; } if (c == '.') { morseCodeTransmission = morseCodeTransmission + " ="; } if (c == ' ') { morseCodeTransmission = morseCodeTransmission + " "; } } System.out.println("Name the file you would like to save this too"); String fileName = Console.readLine(); if (!fileName.contains(".txt")) { fileName = fileName + ".txt"; } try { BufferedWriter fileHandle = new BufferedWriter(new FileWriter(fileName)); fileHandle.write(morseCodeTransmission); fileHandle.close(); } catch (IOException e) { } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> # Add SaveToFile(MorseCodeString) to last line of the SendMorseCode() subroutine, and also define the following subroutines: def SaveToFile(MorseCodeString): # ADDED - SAVE TO FILE ShouldSave = input("Would You like to save the message to a file (Y/N)?") # Check whether user wants to save to file if ShouldSave[0].lower() == 'y': # .lower to make casing irrelevant, [0] to only account for first character (e.g. yes will also be accepted) try: FileName = input("Enter the name of the file to save the message to: ") # User input file name if ' '+FileName[-4].lower() != '.txt': # Check if file extension is .txt. The ' ' at start is 4 spaces in order to prevent error from index not existing (if file name was under 4 characters) FileName += '.txt' # Append .txt if not present FileHandle = open(FileName, 'w') # Open file in write mode FileHandle.write(EncodeMorseCode(MorseCodeString)) # Write the encoded message to file FileHandle.close() except: ReportError("Error when writing to file.") # Error handling def EncodeMorseCode(MorseCode): # Function to convert morse code to format saved in file Output = MorseCode.replace('-', '=== ').replace('.', '= ').replace(' ', ' ').replace(' ', ' ') # Format message to required format return Output # Return message to be saved to file </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> Sub SendMorseCode(ByVal MorseCode() As String) Dim PlainText As String Dim PlainTextLength As Integer Dim MorseCodeString As String Dim PlainTextLetter As Char Dim CodedLetter As String Dim Index As Integer Dim save As Integer Dim file As StreamWriter Dim file2 As String Dim morsecodesymbol As String Dim morsecodesymbolR As String Dim morsecodemessage As String Console.Write("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): ") PlainText = Console.ReadLine() PlainTextLength = PlainText.Length() MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING For i = 0 To PlainTextLength - 1 PlainTextLetter = PlainText(i) If PlainTextLetter = SPACE Then Index = 0 Else If Asc(PlainTextLetter) < 65 Then Index = Asc(PlainTextLetter) - 21 Else Index = Asc(PlainTextLetter) - Asc("A") + 1 End If End If CodedLetter = MorseCode(Index) MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE + SPACE + SPACE Next Console.WriteLine(MorseCodeString) Console.WriteLine("would you like to save your message in a document? If so then please press 1 if not press 2") Try save = Console.ReadLine Catch ex As Exception Console.WriteLine("you have messed up the saving program, please do as asked") End Try If save = 1 Then Console.WriteLine("your file will be saved please choose a name") file2 = Console.ReadLine & ".txt" For i = 0 To MorseCodeString.Length - 1 morsecodesymbol = MorseCodeString(i) If morsecodesymbol = "-" Then morsecodesymbolR = "===" ElseIf morsecodesymbol = "." Then morsecodesymbolR = "=" ElseIf morsecodesymbol = SPACE Then morsecodesymbolR = " " ElseIf morsecodesymbol = SPACE And morsecodesymbol = SPACE Then morsecodesymbolR = " " End If morsecodemessage = morsecodemessage & " " & morsecodesymbolR Next File = New StreamWriter(file2) File.Write(morsecodemessage) File.Close() End If </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Add Morse code for numbers/symbols == Allow the user to convert numbers and punctuation (for which there is Morse code available) into Morse code. {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def SendReceiveMessages(): # All lists here have been modified to support numbers & some punctuation ( .,?! ) by adding indexes 27 onwards. This has been modified so that sending & receiving (if only sending required, only the MorseCode list requires changing) works. Dash = [20,23,0,45,24,1,0,17,31,21,28,25,0,15,11,42,0,0,46,22,13,48,30,10,0,0,44,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,27,0,38,40,37,0,29] Dot = [5,18,33,0,2,9,0,26,32,19,0,3,0,7,4,43,0,0,12,8,14,6,0,16,0,0,34,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,36,35,0,0,46,39,47] Letter = [' ','A','B','C','D','E','F','G','H','I','J','K','L','M','N','O','P','Q','R','S','T','U','V','W','X','Y','Z', '0', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9', '.', ',', '?', '!'] MorseCode = [' ','.-','-...','-.-.','-..','.','..-.','--.','....','..','.---','-.-','.-..','--','-.','---','.--.','--.-','.-.','...','-','..-','...-','.--','-..-','-.--','--..', '-----', '.----', '..---', '...--', '....-', '.....', '-....', '--...', '---..', '----.', '.-.-.-', '--..--', '..--..', '-.-.--'] ProgramEnd = False while not ProgramEnd: DisplayMenu() MenuOption = GetMenuOption() if MenuOption == 'R': ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot) elif MenuOption == 'S': SendMorseCode(MorseCode) elif MenuOption == 'X': ProgramEnd = True def SendMorseCode(MorseCode): PlainText = input("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): ") PlainTextLength = len(PlainText) MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING for i in range(PlainTextLength): PlainTextLetter = PlainText[i] if PlainTextLetter == SPACE: Index = 0 elif PlainTextLetter.isalpha(): # Character in position is a letter Index = ord(PlainTextLetter.upper()) - ord('A') + 1 elif PlainTextLetter.isnumeric(): # Character in position is a number # 0 needs to be at index 27, so subtract unicode value of 0 and add 27 to get index of all numbers Index = ord(PlainTextLetter) - ord('0') + 27 else: # Is not a number / letter / space, assume it is a symbol. If statements for all supported symbols, setting index to position in MorseCode list if PlainTextLetter == '.': Index = 37 elif PlainTextLetter == ',': Index = 38 elif PlainTextLetter == '?': Index = 39 elif PlainTextLetter == '!': Index = 40 else: # Unsupported character, replace with space (could also output error here if needed) Index = 0 CodedLetter = MorseCode[Index] MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE print(MorseCodeString) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> Sub SendReceiveMessages() Dim Dash = {20, 23, 0, 0, 24, 1, 0, 17, 31, 21, 28, 25, 0, 15, 11, 37, 45, 0, 40, 22, 13, 341, 30, 10, 0, 0, 44, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 46, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0} Dim Letter = {" ", "A", "B", "C", "D", "E", "F", "G", "H", "I", "J", "K", "L", "M", "N", "O", "P", "Q", "R", "S", "T", "U", "V", "W", "X", "Y", "Z", "0", "1", "2", "3", "4", "5", "6", "7", "8", "9", "OT", "ö", "/", "Ä", "ü", "+", "üe", "ZT", "Á", ",", "@", ".", "?"} Dim Dot = {5, 18, 33, 0, 2, 9, 0, 26, 32, 19, 0, 3, 0, 7, 4, 38, 0, 0, 12, 8, 14, 6, 0, 16, 39, 0, 34, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 42, 43, 48, 49, 0, 47} Dim MorseCode = {" ", ".-", "-...", "-.-.", "-..", ".", "..-.", "--.", "....", "..", ".---", "-.-", ".-..", "--", "-.", "---", ".--.", "--.-", ".-.", "...", "-", "..-", "...-", ".--", "-..-", "-.--", "--..", "-----", ".----", "..---", "...--", "....-", ".....", "-....", "--....", "---...", "----..", "-----.", "----", "---.", "-··-·", ".-.-", "..--", ".-.-.", "..--.", "--..-", ".--.-", "--..--", ".--.-.", ".-.-..", "..--.."} - Symbols work in progress numbers work! </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Validation of a message to send == Currently lowercase characters crash the program, add functionality to translate lowercase letters and correctly translate numbers/symbols {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> // Does not have numbers or symbols. Any other instances in the code where it does not allow lower case use the code equalsIgnoreCase( // The code below shows it working in the menu of the Program static void sendReceiveMessages() throws IOException { int[] dash = { 20, 23, 0, 0, 24, 1, 0, 17, 0, 21, 0, 25, 0, 15, 11, 0, 0, 0, 0, 22, 13, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, 0 }; int[] dot = { 5, 18, 0, 0, 2, 9, 0, 26, 0, 19, 0, 3, 0, 7, 4, 0, 0, 0, 12, 8, 14, 6, 0, 16, 0, 0, 0 }; char[] letter = { ' ', 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'I', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', 'Q', 'R', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z' }; String[] morseCode = { " ", ".-", "-...", "-.-.", "-..", ".", "..-.", "--.", "....", "..", ".---", "-.-", ".-..", "--", "-.", "---", ".--.", "--.-", ".-.", "...", "-", "..-", "...-", ".--", "-..-", "-.--", "--.." }; boolean programEnd = false; while (!programEnd) { displayMenu(); String menuOption = scan.next(); if (menuOption.equalsIgnoreCase("r")) { receiveMorseCode(dash, letter, dot); } else if (menuOption.equalsIgnoreCase("s")) { sendMorseCode(morseCode); } else if (menuOption.equalsIgnoreCase("x")) { programEnd = true; }else { System.out.println("That was an Incorrect Input"); } } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> # Currently only supports lowercase letters & prevents invalid characters. Needs modifying to support numbers. def SendMorseCode(MorseCode): Error = True # Input validation while Error: # Repeat the code in this section until input is valid Error = False # Assume no errors until one is detected PlainText = input("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): ") PlainTextLength = len(PlainText) MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING for i in range(PlainTextLength): PlainTextLetter = PlainText[i] if PlainTextLetter == SPACE: Index = 0 else: Index = ord(PlainTextLetter.upper()) - ord('A') + 1 # .upper() added to support lowercase characters try: # Attempt to find morse code for current character CodedLetter = MorseCode[Index] MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE except: # Has been an issue finding morse code for character - inform user of this & re-run loop to allow a new input print("Invalid character in message.") Error = True # Set error to true so loop re-runs break # Break for loop to go back to start of Error loop (and ask for a new input) print(MorseCodeString) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Automatically append '.txt' to file. == Code that makes it obsolete for the user to add the '.txt' extension to their file name {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> FileName = FileName.Contains(".txt") ? FileName : FileName + ".txt"; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Function GetTransmission(): String; var FileName, FileNameOriginal: String; FileHandle: Textfile; Transmission: String; begin write('Enter file name: '); readln(FileNameOriginal); {Variable was originally set as FileName but was changed for Concentrate} FileName := Concat(FileNameOriginal,'.txt'); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> static void sendMorseCode(String[] morseCode) throws IOException { Console.write("Enter your message (letters and spaces only): "); String plainText = Console.readLine(); plainText = plainText.toUpperCase(); int plainTextLength = plainText.length(); String morseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING; int index; for (int i = 0; i < plainTextLength; i++) { char plainTextLetter = plainText.charAt(i); if (plainTextLetter == SPACE) { index = 0; } else { index = (int)plainTextLetter - (int)'A' + 1; } String codedLetter = morseCode[index]; morseCodeString = morseCodeString + codedLetter + SPACE; } Console.writeLine(morseCodeString); Save(morseCodeString); } public static void Save(String pop) throws IOException { System.out.println("Enter file name: "); Scanner scan = new Scanner(System.in); String f = scan.next(); FileWriter file = new FileWriter(f+".txt", true); PrintWriter print = new PrintWriter(file); print.println(pop); print.flush(); print.close(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def GetTransmission(): FileName = input("Enter file name: ") if FileName[-4:] != '.txt': # If last 4 characters match .txt - the 4 spaces appended to the start of string are to prevent the string being shorted than the indexes being checked FileName += '.txt' # Append .txt to end of file name try: FileHandle = open(FileName, 'r') Transmission = FileHandle.readline() FileHandle.close() Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission) if len(Transmission) > 0: Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission) Transmission = Transmission + EOL except: ReportError("No transmission found") Transmission = EMPTYSTRING return Transmission </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> Function GetTransmission() As String Dim Filename As String Dim Transmission As String Console.Write("Enter file name: ") Try Filename = Console.ReadLine() Filename = Filename + ".txt" Dim Reader As New StreamReader(Filename) Transmission = Reader.ReadLine Reader.Close() Transmission = StripLeadingSpaces(Transmission) If Transmission.Length() > 0 Then Transmission = StripTrailingSpaces(Transmission) Transmission = Transmission + EOL End If Catch ReportError("No transmission found") Transmission = EMPTYSTRING End Try Return Transmission End Function </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Save message in a text file == Code that save the translated code in a text file {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> // Add SaveToFile(MorseCodeString) to last line of the SendMorseCode() subroutine, and also define the following subroutines: private static void SaveToFile(string MorseCodeString) // ADDED - SAVE TO FILE { Console.WriteLine("Would You like to save the message to a file (Y/N)?"); string SaveChoice = Console.ReadLine(); // Check whether user wants to save to file if (SaveChoice[0] == 'y' || SaveChoice[0] == 'Y') // [0] to only account for first character of input (both cases checked) { try { Console.WriteLine("Enter the name of the file to save the message to: "); string FileName = Console.ReadLine(); // User input file name if (!FileName.Contains(".txt")) // If it doesn't contain '.txt' then add the ".txt" to FileName { FileName += ".txt"; // Append .txt if not present } StreamWriter FileSaver = new StreamWriter(FileName); // Open file in write mode (new StreamWriter) FileSaver.Write(MorseCodeString); // Write the MorseCodeString to the File chosen FileSaver.Close(); } catch { ReportError("Error when writing to file."); // Error handling message } Console.WriteLine("File successfully written"); } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Procedure SaveMorseToFile(MorseString : string); //added to save morse var FileMorse:TextFile; begin AssignFile(FileMorse, 'MorseFile.txt'); try rewrite(FileMorse); writeln(FileMorse, MorseString); CloseFile(FileMorse); except on E: exception do writeln ('Exception: ', E.Message); end; end; Procedure SendMorseCode(MorseCode : Array of String); var PlainText, MorseCodeString, CodedLetter : String; PlainTextLength, i, Index : Integer; PlainTextLetter : Char; begin write('Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): '); readln(PlainText); PlainTextLength := length(PlainText); MorseCodeString := EMPTYSTRING; for i := 1 to PlainTextLength do begin PlainTextLetter := PlainText[i]; if PlainTextLetter = SPACE then Index := 0 else Index := ord(PlainTextLetter) - ord('A') + 1; CodedLetter := MorseCode[Index]; MorseCodeString := MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE; end; writeln(MorseCodeString); SaveMorseToFile(MorseCodeString);//Saves it to a file writeln('Saved to MorseFile.txt'); end; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> static void write(String morseCodeString) throws IOException { FileWriter fw = new FileWriter ("morse.txt"); PrintWriter output = new PrintWriter (fw); output.println(morseCodeString); output.close(); output.flush(); System.out.println("Printed in morse.txt"); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> # Add SaveToFile(MorseCodeString) to last line of the SendMorseCode() subroutine, and also define the following subroutines: def SaveToFile(MorseCodeString): # ADDED - SAVE TO FILE ShouldSave = input("Would You like to save the message to a file (Y/N)?") # Check whether user wants to save to file if ShouldSave[0].lower() == 'y': # .lower to make casing irrelevant, [0] to only account for first character (e.g. yes will also be accepted) try: FileName = input("Enter the name of the file to save the message to: ") # User input file name if FileName[-4:].lower() != '.txt': # Check if file extension is .txt. The ' ' at start is 4 spaces in order to prevent error from index not existing (if file name was under 4 characters) FileName += '.txt' # Append .txt if not present FileHandle = open(FileName, 'w') # Open file in write mode FileHandle.write(EncodeMorseCode(MorseCodeString)) # Write the encoded message to file FileHandle.close() except: ReportError("Error when writing to file.") # Error handling def EncodeMorseCode(MorseCode): # Function to convert morse code to format saved in file Output = MorseCode.replace('-', '=== ').replace('.', '= ').replace(' ', ' ').replace(' ', ' ') # Format message to required format return Output # Return message to be saved to file </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == List Characters == Output a list of all of the characters from the list next to their Morse code representation. {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> // NEW SUBROUTINE- Letter and MorseCode lists are passed as parameters/arguments private static void ListMorseCode(char[] Letter, string[] MorseCode) { for (int index = 0; index < Letter.Length; index++) // for loop - loops through all elements in the Letter Array { Console.WriteLine(Letter[index] + " " + MorseCode[index]); // Output the text character, followed by a few spaces, and then the Morse code representation } } // AMENDED SUBROUTINE private static void DisplayMenu() { Console.WriteLine(); Console.WriteLine("Main Menu"); Console.WriteLine("========="); Console.WriteLine("R - Receive Morse code"); Console.WriteLine("S - Send Morse code"); Console.WriteLine("L - List Morse code characters"); // Added - display menu option for this modification Console.WriteLine("X - Exit program"); Console.WriteLine(); } // AMENDED SUBROUTINE private static void SendReceiveMessages() { int[] Dash = new int[] { 20, 23, 0, 0, 24, 1, 0, 17, 0, 21, 0, 25, 0, 15, 11, 0, 0, 0, 0, 22, 13, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, 0 }; int[] Dot = new int[] { 5, 18, 0, 0, 2, 9, 0, 26, 0, 19, 0, 3, 0, 7, 4, 0, 0, 0, 12, 8, 14, 6, 0, 16, 0, 0, 0 }; char[] Letter = new char[] { ' ', 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'I', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', 'Q', 'R', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z' }; string[] MorseCode = new string[] { " ", ".-", "-...", "-.-.", "-..", ".", "..-.", "--.", "....", "..", ".---", "-.-", ".-..", "--", "-.", "---", ".--.", "--.-", ".-.", "...", "-", "..-", "...-", ".--", "-..-", "-.--", "--.." }; bool ProgramEnd = false; string MenuOption = EMPTYSTRING; while (!ProgramEnd) { DisplayMenu(); MenuOption = GetMenuOption(); if (MenuOption == "R") { ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot); } else if (MenuOption == "S") { SendMorseCode(MorseCode); } else if (MenuOption == "X") { ProgramEnd = true; } else if (MenuOption == "L") // Added - if menu option selected is the 'L' (list Morse code) { ListMorseCode(Letter, MorseCode); // Run ListMorseCode subroutine, passing lists Letter and MorseCode } } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Procedure DisplayMenu(); begin writeln; writeln('Main Menu'); writeln('========='); writeln('R - Receive Morse code'); writeln('S - Send Morse code'); writeln('L - List Morse code characters');//Added menu option for this writeln('X - Exit program'); writeln; end; Procedure ListCharacters(Letter:Array of char; MorseCode:Array of String); //new procedure for listing var z : integer; begin for z:=0 to 26 do writeln(Letter[z],' ',MorseCode[z]); end; Procedure SendReceiveMessages(); const Dash: array[0..26] of Integer = (20,23,0,0,24,1,0,17,0,21,0,25,0,15,11,0,0,0,0,22,13,0,0,10,0,0,0); Dot : array[0..26] of Integer = (5,18,0,0,2,9,0,26,0,19,0,3,0,7,4,0,0,0,12,8,14,6,0,16,0,0,0); Letter : array[0..26] of Char= (' ','A','B','C','D','E','F','G','H','I','J','K','L','M','N','O','P','Q','R','S','T','U','V','W','X','Y','Z'); MorseCode : array[0..26] of String= (' ','.-','-...','-.-.','-..','.','..-.','--.','....','..','.---','-.-','.-..','--','-.','---','.--.','--.-','.-.','...','-','..-','...-','.--','-..-','-.--','--..'); var ProgramEnd : Boolean; MenuOption : String; begin ProgramEnd := False; while not(ProgramEnd) do begin DisplayMenu(); MenuOption := GetMenuOption(); if MenuOption = 'R' then ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot) else if MenuOption = 'S' then SendMorseCode(MorseCode) else if MenuOption = 'X' then ProgramEnd := True else if MenuOption = 'L' then ListCharacters(Letter, MorseCode); //Added to lead to new procedure end; end; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> //added method static void listCharacters() { char[] letter = { ' ', 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'I', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', 'Q', 'R', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z' }; String[] morseCode = { " ", ".-", "-...", "-.-.", "-..", ".", "..-.", "--.", "....", "..", ".---", "-.-", ".-..", "--", "-.", "---", ".--.", "--.-", ".-.", "...", "-", "..-", "...-", ".--", "-..-", "-.--", "--.." }; int offset = 1; for(int i = offset; i <= letter.length - offset; i++) { System.out.println(letter[i] + " -> " + morseCode[i]); } } //edited methods static void displayMenu() { Console.writeLine(); Console.writeLine("Main Menu"); Console.writeLine("========="); Console.writeLine("R - Receive Morse code"); Console.writeLine("S - Send Morse code"); Console.writeLine("D - Display all Morse code characters"); //added menu option Console.writeLine("X - Exit program"); Console.writeLine(); } static void sendReceiveMessages() { int[] dash = { 20, 23, 0, 0, 24, 1, 0, 17, 0, 21, 0, 25, 0, 15, 11, 0, 0, 0, 0, 22, 13, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, 0 }; int[] dot = { 5, 18, 0, 0, 2, 9, 0, 26, 0, 19, 0, 3, 0, 7, 4, 0, 0, 0, 12, 8, 14, 6, 0, 16, 0, 0, 0 }; char[] letter = { ' ', 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'I', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', 'Q', 'R', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z' }; String[] morseCode = { " ", ".-", "-...", "-.-.", "-..", ".", "..-.", "--.", "....", "..", ".---", "-.-", ".-..", "--", "-.", "---", ".--.", "--.-", ".-.", "...", "-", "..-", "...-", ".--", "-..-", "-.--", "--.." }; boolean programEnd = false; while (!programEnd) { displayMenu(); char menuOption = getMenuOption(); if (menuOption == 'R') { receiveMorseCode(dash, letter, dot); } else if (menuOption == 'S') { sendMorseCode(morseCode); } else if (menuOption == 'D') //added menu option { listCharacters(); } else if (menuOption == 'X') { programEnd = true; } } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> # Added subroutines def ListMorseCode(Letter, MorseCode): # New subroutine - Letter and MorseCode lists are passed as parameters for Pos in range(len(Letter)): # Loop through all positions in the length of the list print(Letter[Pos]+" "+MorseCode[Pos]) # Output the text character, followed by a few spaces, and then the Morse code representation # Existing modified subroutines def DisplayMenu(): print() print("Main Menu") print("=========") print("R - Receive Morse code") print("S - Send Morse code") print("L - List Morse code characters") # Added - display menu option for this modification print("X - Exit program") print() def SendReceiveMessages(): Dash = [20,23,0,0,24,1,0,17,0,21,0,25,0,15,11,0,0,0,0,22,13,0,0,10,0,0,0] Dot = [5,18,0,0,2,9,0,26,0,19,0,3,0,7,4,0,0,0,12,8,14,6,0,16,0,0,0] Letter = [' ','A','B','C','D','E','F','G','H','I','J','K','L','M','N','O','P','Q','R','S','T','U','V','W','X','Y','Z'] MorseCode = [' ','.-','-...','-.-.','-..','.','..-.','--.','....','..','.---','-.-','.-..','--','-.','---','.--.','--.-','.-.','...','-','..-','...-','.--','-..-','-.--','--..'] ProgramEnd = False while not ProgramEnd: DisplayMenu() MenuOption = GetMenuOption() if MenuOption == 'R': ReceiveMorseCode(Dash, Letter, Dot) elif MenuOption == 'S': SendMorseCode(MorseCode) elif MenuOption == 'X': ProgramEnd = True elif MenuOption == 'L': # Added - if menu option selected is the 'L' (list Morse code) ListMorseCode(Letter, MorseCode) # Run ListMorseCode subroutine, passing lists Letter and MorseCode </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Accept multiple lines of text to convert to Morse code == Description of question {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Procedure SendMorseCode(MorseCode : Array of String); var PlainText, MorseCodeString, CodedLetter,x : String; PlainTextLength, i, Index : Integer; PlainTextLetter : Char; continue : integer; begin continue:= 0; repeat write('Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): '); readln(PlainText); PlainTextLength := length(PlainText); MorseCodeString := EMPTYSTRING; for i := 1 to PlainTextLength do begin PlainTextLetter := PlainText[i]; if PlainTextLetter = SPACE then Index := 0 else Index := ord(PlainTextLetter) - ord('A') + 1; CodedLetter := MorseCode[Index]; MorseCodeString := MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE; end; writeln(MorseCodeString); write('Continue (Y or N): '); readln(x); if (x = 'Y') or (x ='y') then //start of continue continue:= 0 else if (x = 'N') or (x = 'n') then continue:= 1 else begin writeln('Interpreting answer as no');//could be made to loop if needed continue:=1; end; until continue = 1; end; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def SendMorseCode(MorseCode): Continue = 0 while Continue != 1: PlainText = input("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): ").upper() PlainTextLength = len(PlainText) MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING for i in range(PlainTextLength): PlainTextLetter = PlainText[i] if PlainTextLetter == SPACE: Index = 0 else: Index = ord(PlainTextLetter) - ord('A') + 1 CodedLetter = MorseCode[Index] MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE print(MorseCodeString) x = input("Continue Y/N?: ") if x == "Y" or x == "y": Continue = 0 elif x == "N" or x == "n": Continue = 1 else: print("Interpreting answer as no") Continue = 1 </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{BookCat}} == Accept lowercase letters == This will accept the input of lowercase characters {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} <syntaxhighlight lang="c#"> // AMENDED SUBROUTINE - Allows Lowercase values in Send string now. (ASCII values used) private static void SendMorseCode(string[] MorseCode) { Console.Write("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): "); string PlainText = Console.ReadLine(); int PlainTextLength = PlainText.Length; string MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING; char PlainTextLetter = SPACE; int Index = 0; int ascii; // declare new value 'ascii' to store that value. for (int i = 0; i < PlainTextLength; i++) { PlainTextLetter = PlainText[i]; if (PlainTextLetter == SPACE) { Index = 0; } else { if ((int)PlainTextLetter >= 97) // if ASCII Value of that letter is 97 or above, it is assumed to be lowercase. ascii = (int)PlainTextLetter - 32; // if lowercase then subtract 32 from its ASCII value else ascii = (int)PlainTextLetter; // else it is uppercase, then use that ASCII value. Index = ascii - (int)'A' + 1; // use the 'ascii' value to calculate, just incase lowercase has been used. } string CodedLetter = MorseCode[Index]; MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE; } Console.WriteLine(MorseCodeString); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> Procedure SendMorseCode(MorseCode : Array of String); var PlainText, MorseCodeString, CodedLetter : String; PlainTextLength, i, Index, assci : Integer; PlainTextLetter : Char; begin write('Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): '); readln(PlainText); PlainTextLength := length(PlainText); MorseCodeString := EMPTYSTRING; for i := 1 to PlainTextLength do begin PlainTextLetter := PlainText[i]; if PlainTextLetter = SPACE then Index := 0 else begin //added to allow lower case letters if ord(PlainTextLetter) >= 97 then assci:= ord(PlainTextLetter) - 32 else assci:= ord(PlainTextLetter); Index := assci - ord('A') + 1; end; //should work CodedLetter := MorseCode[Index]; MorseCodeString := MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE; end; writeln(MorseCodeString); end; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Delphi/Pascal}} <syntaxhighlight lang="pascal"> write ('This is a question: '); readln(Variable); Variable := AnsiUpperCase(Variable); {This can be added for the MenuOption (in GetMenuOption) and Plaintext (in SendMorseCode)} </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> static char getMenuOption() { boolean valid = false; char menuOption = ' '; while(!valid) { String option = EMPTYSTRING; Console.write("Enter menu option"); try { option = Console.readLine(); } catch (Exception e) { System.out.println("Invalid input"); } if (option.equalsIgnoreCase("R")) menuOption = 'R'; valid = true; if (option.equalsIgnoreCase("S")) menuOption = 'S'; valid = true; if (option.equalsIgnoreCase("X")) { menuOption = 'X'; valid = true; } else if (!valid) { System.out.println("Invalid input"); } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} <syntaxhighlight lang="python"> def SendMorseCode(MorseCode): PlainText = input("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): ").upper()#Changed PlainTextLength = len(PlainText) MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING for i in range(PlainTextLength): PlainTextLetter = PlainText[i] if PlainTextLetter == SPACE: Index = 0 else: Index = ord(PlainTextLetter) - ord('A') + 1 CodedLetter = MorseCode[Index] MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE print(MorseCodeString) def GetMenuOption(): MenuOption = EMPTYSTRING while len(MenuOption) != 1: MenuOption = input("Enter your choice: ").upper()#Changed return MenuOption </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|VB.NET}} <syntaxhighlight lang="vbnet"> Sub SendMorseCode(ByVal MorseCode() As String) Dim PlainText As String Dim PlainTextLength As Integer Dim MorseCodeString As String Dim PlainTextLetter As Char Dim CodedLetter As String Dim Index As Integer Console.Write("Enter your message (uppercase letters and spaces only): ") PlainText = Console.ReadLine() PlainTextLength = PlainText.Length() MorseCodeString = EMPTYSTRING For i = 0 To PlainTextLength - 1 PlainTextLetter = PlainText(i) If PlainTextLetter = SPACE Then Index = 0 Else Index = Asc(PlainTextLetter) If Index > 96 And Index < 123 Then Index -= 32 End If Index = Index - Asc("A") + 1 End If CodedLetter = MorseCode(Index) MorseCodeString = MorseCodeString + CodedLetter + SPACE Next Console.WriteLine(MorseCodeString) SaveMorseCode(MorseCodeString) End Sub </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{BookCat}} qji4tatukrtpw1e8cqxwq8jxdtk1l0d 2 397633 4639332 4637557 2026-06-08T14:46:31Z Rcmcola 3394483 /* § 316, p. 125 */ 4639332 wikitext text/x-wiki This wikibook is an answer key to the revised 1918 edition of Collar's and Daniell's ''First Year Latin''. There are two copies of this edition in the Internet Archive: [https://archive.org/details/collaranddaniel00jenkgoog] and [https://archive.org/details/collardaniellsfi00collrich another copy]). === About References === The references are to the paragraph numbers (§ ''N'') and the original page numbers (p. ''N'') of ''First Year Latin''. === Abbreviations === {| |- | ''acc'' || accusative |- | ''act'' || active voice |- | ''abl'' || the ablative case |- | ''dat'' || the dative case |- | ''gen'' || the genitive case |- | ''imp'' || the imperative mood |- | ''imperf'' || the imperfect tense |- | ''ind'' || the indicative mood |- | ''inf'' || the infinitive mood |- | ''nom'' || the nominative case |- | ''pass'' || the passive voice |- | ''perf'' || the perfect tense |- | ''pl'' || the plural |- | ''pluperf'' || the pluperfect tense |- | ''sg'' || the singular |- | ''subj'' || the subjunctive mood |} === About Prose Translations === All prose translations have been kept as literal as possible. This should not be taken as a model to emulate. Quite contrary, one should hardly ever aim at a literal translation instead of a fluent one. Answers marked with a * may be written with a little more liberty by a different pupil, though are still more-or-less literal translations. == Exercises == === § 30, p. 25 === # A sailor is singing. # Sailors are singing. # A farmer is working. # Farmers are working. # A girl swims. # Girls swim. # Cornelia draws near. # Are the girls drawing near? (In a boys-only school this might have stirred the pupils somewhat.) # Cornelia and the girls are singing. # Julia works and sings. # What is approaching? # Are the sailors swimming? # Who is walking? === § 31, p. 25 === # Nauta natat. # Puellae cantant. # Quis appropinquat? # Appropinguantne nautae? # Cantatne Cornēlia? # Cornēlia et Iūlia ambulant et cantant. # Puella cantat, et agricola labōrat. # Nautae et agricolae labōrant. === § 36, p. 27 === # Galba has a trumpet. # Does Galba have trumpets? # Girls praise Cornelia and Julia. # A sailor sees a letter. # Galba calls together the sailors. # Who sees Galba? # Whom Galba is seeing? # The farmer now calls the girls together. # Do the sailors see land? # Girls like Cornelia. === § 37, p. 27 === # Quis appropinquat? # Nauta et Galba appropinquant. # Quid agricola habet? # Agricola terram habet. # Laudatne Galba agricolae? # Puella aquam et terram videt. # Nautae agricolās convocant. # Iūlia litterās nunc habet. === § 41, p. 29 === # She walks, calls together, sings. # Are they calling together? Singing? Praising? # You (sg.) swim, work, walk. # We like, draw near, walk. # You (pl.) are calling together, are singing, are liking. # They like, she is giving, we are praising. # Whom are you looking at? # I praise the inhabitants. # You (pl.) often praise Julia. # But we are praising the letter. # What are you (pl.) giving now? === § 42, p. 29 === # Natō, natat, natō. # Labōrāsne/labōrātisne? cantāmus, laudatne? # Appropinquant, dant, ambulās/ambulātis. # Laudās/laudātis, natant, labōrat. # Incolās convocāmus, sed nautās convocātis. # Puellae aquam nunc spectant. === § 46, p. 31 === # She delights, we are routing, you set free. # We are waiting, they carry, you delight. # We delight, you (pl.) rout, they are setting free. # Is she freeing? I am freeing, we are carrying. # They are setting free the farmers' daughters. # The poet's fortune pleases the queen. # We are looking at the woman's daughters. (Quite possibly a true story from a boy school.) # Does Galba's ''daughter'' expect a letter? # Even the trumpets of the sailors put the inhabitants to flight. # Whose letter are you carrying? === § 47, p. 31 === # Nautās rēgīnae convocō. # Fīliae poetārum terram amant. # Cuius fīliam liberās/liberātis? # Laudantne fīliās Galbae? # Agricolās nunc expectāmus. # Quem fortūna agricolārum dēlectat? === § 52, p. 33 === # You have money. # I teach Julia. # You often advice the inhabitants. # Do they frighten the girls? # Whom are they seeing? # We advice and we teach. # What do we have? # I now see a booty. # You (pl.) see a trumpet. # Are you (pl.) warning ''the farmers''? # They have a letter. # Julia teaches the poet's daughters. # The pirates have even the farmers' money. # The daughters' fate pleases the woman. (Obviously they got married off to better men than the boys of this school became.) # Why do you warn Julia and Cornelia? # Whom do you teach and advice? # The women praise the girls because they work. (Hopefully nothing beyond the chaste exercise of weaving, though.) === § 53, p. 33 === # Monent. # Habent. # Moneō. # Terrēs/terrētis. # Vidēmus. # Puellāsne docet? # Pīrātamne Iūlia et Cornēlia spectant? # Cūr pīrātae incolās terrent? # Pecūniam et praedam habent. # Fēminam laudāmus quod puellās docet. # Quis vidēs/vidētis? Quid spectās/spectātis? === § 61, p. 35 === # A farmer shows the road to a woman. # Cornelia tells the story even to the girls. # We dwell on an island. # Who shows the island to the poets? # Why are the pirates remaining in the water? # To whom are you giving the money? # The sailors show the booty to the farmers. # The inhabitants are approaching on the road and they are looking at the queen. # They like the mistress because she tells stories. === § 62, p. 35 === # Cuī fēminam dēmonstrās/dēmonstrātis? # Iūliae letterās dēmonstrō. # Rēgīnae fābulās narrant. # Fīlia Galbae nautīs pecūniam dat. # Habitantne pīrātae in īnsulā? # Cuius fīliae in viam appropinquant? === § 66, p. 37 === # Why are the poets remaining in the woods? # To whom are you telling about the queen's victory? # I see Julia and Cornelia in the portal. # In Germany and Greece they often assemble the farmers. # Do they live in the province? # The sailors' victory frightens the farmers. # The girls' diligence pleases the woman. # In the fight we put to flight the pirates of Italy. # Galba tells about the flight of the pirates. === § 67, p. 37 === # In prōvinciā Graeciae incolō. # Silvae prōvinciārum poetīs dēlectant. # Fīliae Iūliae pecūniam dat. # Cuī aquam dās/dātis? # Cuius dīligentiam laudās/laudātis? # In viā exspectant et silvās spectant. === § 75, p. 41 === # I see a town. # We are seeing towns. # Is the master warning a slave? # The tribune is looking at a horse. # The masters' horses delight the slaves. # Marcus is narrating a story to a friend. # The masters give the spoils friends. # We often call together the friends in the town. # Slaves are approaching, and they are carrying grain and water. === § 76, p. 41 === # Quis equum tribūnī habet? # Servī dōna dominōrum nunc habent. # Amicōsne in hortō habēs/habētis? # Servus frūmentum tribūnī portat. # Cuius dōnum Marcō dēmonstrant? # Oppidum et hortōs oppidī vidēmus. === § 83, p. 43 === # We are looking at and also approving of the large horses. # The tribune gives a javelin to a good friend. # The sailor's welcome gift delights Julia. # A strong sailor has strong oars. # A girl sees good slaves. # Great winds do not frighten sailors. # Where do you see the strong farmers' grain? # They are carrying the grain in a large cart. # The pirates are frightening the farmers because they have javelins. === § 84, p. 43 === # Carrum magnum habeō. # Dominus bonus servum bonum habet. # Atque servō bonō dōnum grātum dat. # Probatne servus dōnum? # Magnō in oppidō Graeciae nōn habitant. # Nautās bonōs nōn convocat. # Ubi silvam magnam vidēs/vidētis? === § 91, p. 45 === # Galba is a farmer. # Galba is strong. # Julia and Cornelia are my daughters. # My daughter is small. # Is your town large? # Britain is an island of Europe. # Vesta was a Roman goddess. # The carts of the Romans were good and strong. # War is not welcome. # Wars aren't welcome. # Greece is a small country of Europe. # We are friends of the tribune. # In the large town we see wide roads. === § 92, p. 45 === # Viae oppidī sunt longae. # Viae Rōmae nōn erant lātae. # Viae Britanniae sunt lātae et longae. # Ubi es/estis? # Dōna nova tribūnī sunt grāta. # Deōs laudāmus quod dōna dant. # Rōmānī sumus sed in Britanniā habitāmus. === § 101, p. 49 === # The sons of the men are in Britain. # The men are allies. # I am a messenger of the allies. # We are waiting for the small boys, sons of the tribune. # The boys have Marcus' sword and javelin. # Who shows the way to the man? # The battle is long, and the allies are waiting for help. # A man and sons of the messenger are toiling in the field. # Why are you giving rewards to the men? === § 102, p. 49 === # Fīlius nūntī est puer parvus. # Gladium tuum vidēmus sed pilum tuum nōn habēmus. # Puerōs parvōs et fēminam terrent. # Virī sociōs fugant. # Ubi nūntiī habitant? # Gladium fīlī meī habeō. # Bella et proelia Rōmānōs dēlectant. === § 105, p. 50 === # I see horses in Marcus', friend's, field. # A wretched messenger is telling a miserable story of the allies' flight. # They are giving rewards to your friends. # Money, Cornelia's gift, is pleasing to our son. # We are free men in a free town. # The Greek goddesses were many. # Our associate is miserable because he has no sword. # They are subduing the Romans in a battle. # Are you calling your son? # A miserable slave prepares food for a master. A bonus question about the translation of 10. for the boys in the back row: Are all slaves miserable because they prepare food for their masters or is this particular slave miserable because he's preparing food for his master or is this particular slave miserable because he's preparing food for a master not his own? === § 106, p. 51 === # Amīcī nostrī, Mārcus et Galba, sunt miserī. # Multī carrī in viīs oppidī nostrī sunt. # Fīliōs miserōs nūntiōrum convocat. # Ubi equum tuum vides? # Ventī nautās nōn terrent. # Fīliī virōrum līberōrum sumus. # Pīlum dōnum āmicī habeō. === § 113, p. 53 === # She is, she was, she will be. # They are, they were, they will be. # We are, we were, we will be. # I am, I was, I will be. # You (sg.) are, you (sg.) were, you (sg.) will be. # You (pl.) are, you (pl.) were, you (pl.) will be. # Certainly we were hostile towards Marcus, your son. # Next to the town were many fields. # Injuries of the allies were many. # I see an island near to the (main)land. # The winds will not be pleasing to the sailors. # Farmers were not fit for a long war. # Meanwhile, we will be favourable to your sons. # Swords and javelins are suitable for a battle. === § 114, p. 53 === # Sum, sumus. # Ubi eramus? In oppidō eram. # Erō, erimus. # Estne tribūnus? Sociī sunt. # Interim vir līber eris. # Oppida nostra Graeciae propinqua sunt. # Virī in oppidīs nostrīs Rōmae inimīcī sunt. # Erit magnum proelium in Britanniā. # Librī Mārcō amicō meō grātī certē erunt. === § 124, p. 57 === # They were showing, she was preparing, you (pl.) were filling. # I was telling, you (sg.) were seeing, we were dwelling. # You (sg.) were overcoming, you (pl.) were having, she was approving. # You (sg.) were singing, I was freeing, you (pl.) were staying. # I was frightening, she was calling, you (pl). were delighting. # I was calling together the lieutenants. # Farmers were bringing grain and food in small carts. # Meanwhile they were fighting with swords in forests. # We were equipping our allies with shields. # I was calling the lieutenant, my friend. # They were subduing the tribune and the lieutenant in the fight with javelins. # Your gifts were pleasing to the gods. # The village was next to the sea. === § 125, p. 57 === # Ambulābam sed in agrō exspectābās. # Armābāmus, manēbant. # Appropinquābātis et pugnābant. # In vicō labōrābant. # Fābulīs et librīs docēbāmus. # Amicōs vestrōs gladiīs vestriīs liberābātis. # Cibus Helvetiīs dēfessīs grātus erat. # Virī pīlīs longīs pugnābant. # Lēgātus vīcum cibō et frūmentō complēbat. === § 130, p. 59 === # They will call, they will fill, they will hasten. # Is she arming? She will overcome, we will keep. # Will they stay? We will show, I will frighten. # You (sg.) will work, you (pl.) will teach, I will dwell. # Where to is the strong farmer hurrying? # A farmer and boys will hurry to the fields. # They toil in the fields with great zeal. # They will carry the grain into the village with care. # You (pl.) will build boats with great diligence. === § 131, p. 59 === # Aedificābis. # Properābit. # Quis nōn manēbit? # Tenēbitis. # Virōs aegrōs magnō cum cūrā portābimus. # Quō lēgātus properābit? # In Graeciam properābit atque incolās armābit. # Ubi amīcī nostrī cum studiō pugnābunt? # Virī nāvigia cum dīligentiā complēbant. === § 135, p. 61 === # Has she called? She has called together, she has subdued. # They have fought, they have expected, they have worked. # We have hastened, we have built, we have equipped. # Did I praise? You (sg.) have called, you (pl.) have hastened. # She has brought, she has delighted, she has given. === § 136, p. 61 === # Laudāvistī/-istis, dēmonstrāvistī/-istis, narrāvistī/-istis. # Dedī, portāvī, liberāvī. # Probāvērunt, cantāvērunt, natāvērunt. # Dedimus, habitāvimus, dēmonstrāvimus. === § 140, p. 62 === # She has warned, they have warned, she has taught. # They have taught, she has had, they have had. # You (sg.) have frightened, you (pl.) have frightened, have you (sg.) kept? # I have seen, have they seen? We have stayed. # She has kept, they have kept, they have frightened. === § 141, p. 62 === # Complēvī, vīdistī, tenuimus. # Terruit, habuit, complēvērunt. # Mānsit, docuī, monuistis. === § 145, p. 63 === # The boys have filled our cart with grain. # They have carried a sick girl with care. # I have seen the shields and swords of the captives in front of the gates. # The place was not suitable for a battle. # The lieutenant has hurried to Germany with many men. # He will show the cause of the war. # I have spent the winter in Greece with your friends. # With great risk they have stayed. === § 146, p. 63 === # Gladiī et pīla captivōs terruērunt. # Longō in bellō cum tribūnō pugnāvērunt. # Fēminae in Italiā hiemābant. # Quis causam bellī lēgātō narrābit? # Locum armīs complēvērunt. # Rōmānī cum sociīs prō Rōmā pugnāvērunt. === § 148/b, p. 64 === {| class="wikitable" |- | id dōnum || is nūntius || ea patria |- | eius dōnī || eius nūntiī || eius patriae |- | eī dōnō || eī nūntiō || eī patriae |- | id dōnum || eum nūntium || eam patriam |- | eō dōnō || eō nūntiō || eā patriā |- | ea dōna || iī nūntiī || eae patriae |- | eōrum dōnōrum || eōrum nūntiōrum || eārum patriārum |- | iīs dōnīs || iīs nūntiīs || iīs patriīs |- | ea dōna || eōs nūntiōs || eās patriās |- | iīs dōnīs || iīs nūntiīs || iīs patriīs |} === § 150, p. 65 === # I have seen that shield. # That sword is mine. # That battle was long. # I will fight with this sword. # She has given food for that prisoner. # That was yours. # He was showing the danger of those lieutenants. # We have been in Germany and in the land of the Helvetii. # Has your daughter been sick? # That slave's master was tired. # That victory has delighted the Romans. # I was hurrying to Britain with that friend. # Where were you (pl.)? === § 151, p. 65 === # Iīs armīs pīrātās in ōceanō superābimus. # Id auxilium Rōmānōs dēlectat. # In iīs silvīs saepe fuī. # Fīliōs eōrum agricolārum docuī. # Eōs sociōs vīdistī et laudāvistī quod cum studiō pugnāvērunt. # Quō properābatis cum eō puerō? # Causae eius bellī fuērunt multae. === § 155, p. 67 === # Who have built that temple? # Which lieutenants have armed those men? # What is in that field? # To whom does Marcus give that reward? # To which countries is Britain near? # Whom are you praising? # Which book Cornelia has praised? # With which sword have they injured the prisoner? # What risk are you reporting? === § 156, p. 67 === # Quis nūntius deōrum erat? # Quod dōnum eī puerō dedit? # Cuius scūtum is servus habuit? # Cui causās eius bellī dēmonstrāvērunt? # Quem superāvistī? # Quibus armīs Helvetiōs superāvērunt? # Quō in vicō habitāvērunt? === § 161, p. 68 === # She rules, she was ruling, she will rule. # I am buying, I was buying, I will buy. # They are leading, they will lead, she was leading. # She has ruled, they have ruled, she has led. # They have led, you (sg.) have bought, you (pl.) have bought. # I have sent, we have sent, she has sent. # We are sending, they are sending, they will send. # This farmer has many fields. # He will send grain into a big town with boats. # He will send grain into a village with strong horses. # Who will lead the horses on the way? # Sons of the farmer, Marcus and Galba, have led the horses, and they will lead (them) today. # Then they will buy new arms. # Formerly the Romans have ruled Italy well. === § 162, p. 69 === # Regunt, rēxērunt, regent. # Dūcit, dūcēbat, dūcet. # Ēmī, ēmimus, ēmērunt. # Mittō, mittam, mīsī. # Mittis, mittes, mīsistī. # Ōlim Rōmānī multās terrās habuērunt. # Eās terrās saepe nōn bene rēxērunt. # Tum sociī auxilium mīsērunt. # Quae puellae in Italiā hiemāvērunt? # Lēgātum cum iīs captīvīs in Italiam mittam. === § 171/d, p. 75 === === § 173, p. 75 === # Today I have seen the king and the general. # We have seen the heads of many foot soldiers. # Both kings and generals have led our soldiers. # Besides, the horsemen were fighting bravely for the king and the general. # They have overcome the allies with courage and zeal. # They have injured many farmers with stones and javelins. # Certainly the bravery of the horsemen and also the zeal of the foot soldiers will delight the legate. # Who will procure shields for these horsemen? # We have sent our soldiers in the forest too. === § 174, p. 75 === # Imperia rēgis fuerunt multa. # Imperia rēgum probābimus. # Helvetiōs virtūte eōrum mīlitum superābimus. # Cum duce hiemābō. # In oppidō rēgem vīdī. # Is rēx erat dux bonus et benē rēxit. # Cibum peditibus miserīs ēmit. # Et arma et frūmenta in id oppidum mīsit. === § 181, p. 77 === # She will take, she takes, they take. # I am hurling, I will hurl, I was hurling. # They have taken, she has thrown, we have thrown. # We have fled, we are fleeing, we have sent away. # They running out from the conference. # They will flee from (the vicinity of) the village into fields. # She has fled (down) from the town to the ocean. # Who have sent letters to the king? # They have hurled javelins down from the walls of this town. # He has sent the tired soldiers away from the battle. # Why are you fleeing from that place? # They will take our wagons. === § 182, p. 77 === # Iaciet, iacient, iaciunt. # Iacis, iaciēs, iēcistī. # Pedēs equitim vulnerāvērunt. # Ex Ītaliā in prōvinciam properābō. # Et fēminae et puellae ex agrīs fugiēbant. # Ā Germāniā in Ītaliam properāvērunt. # Lēgātum ad conloquium dūxit. === § 187, p. 79 === # For many reasons the Romans did not send help. # They have injured these men with stones and javelins. # They have many wounds in (their) heads and bodies. # Today the fathers of the sons will grieve because of the wounds. # Our general will praise the centurions because of the great victory. # The peril of the scouts has frightened the soldiers. # At that time you were not fleeing onto the walls of the town on the account of injuries. # For the lack of food we were in great danger. # The legate has led the horsemen and the foot soldiers to a conference. === § 188, p. 79 === # Vulneribus saepe dēfessī fuimus. # Mīlitēs nostrōs virtūte studiōque eōrum laudābo. # Patrēs nostrī diū pugnābunt et multam praedam capient. # Quis centuriō pīla dē mūrō iaciēbat? # Ob inopiam cibī aquaeque Marcus et Galba, centuriōnēs, nōn cum virtūte pugnāvērunt. # Soror mea dolet quod fēminae Britanniae miserae sunt. # Interim explōrātōrēs imperia ducis narrābant. === § 191, p. 81 === # The victory of enemies has frightened the citizens of the city of Rome. # I have not seen the hills and the mountains of Italy. # The scouts and centurions have fled out from the Sabines' territory. # The Romans have had many boats and ships on the sea. # Because of a great danger the citizens carry food and grain into the city. # We too will send cohorts, and we will overcome the enemies. # The town was near a mountain. # The citizens' bravery was pleasing to the general. === § 192, p. 81 === # Habēmusne multās navīs hodiē? # Ōlim in collīs montibusque incolēbant. # Fīnēs Rōmānōrum erant lātī. # Iī cīvēs nōn idōneī bellō sunt. # Quī pīla dē mūrīs urbium iaciunt? # Puerī ignīs magnōs in urbe vident. === § 197, p. 83 === # Our men have seen a centurion among the prisoners. # Neighbour(ing tribe)s lament account of that victory of the Romans. # Why the cohorts were fleeing through the woods to the town? # With care you (pl.) have taught your daughters with books. # The horsemen and the foot soldiers are in front of the gate. # We will stay in the city without danger. # And they even have carried out from that city many things. # She has led the scouts across a wide field. # He was in the province with many soldiers. === § 198, p. 83 === # Post id proelium nostrōs in Germāniam mittet. # Oppidum sine auxiliō cēpērunt. # Fīnitimī contrā hostīs fortiter pugnābant. # Ante oppidum erat collis. # Apud lēgātum nūntius exspectābat. # Per Ītaliam properābimus et apud eōs montīs hiemābimus. === § 210, p. 89 === # Caesar was a daring leader of the Romans. # The authority of this leader has been great. # All soldiers greatly liked Caesar because he has often overcome the enemy. # In a war the hardships of soldiers were often severe. # Enemies were many and brave, and they were throwing many javelins at the Romans. # But our cohorts did not flee from the public danger. # They have fought bravely for Rome. # That war was short. === § 211, p. 89 === # Gladius Rōmānōrum et brevis et gravis erat. # Pedes socium audācem habuit. # Nostrī multās gravīs portābant. # Dōna omnibus amīcīs meīs dabō. # Dux equitum ācrium propter multōs labōrēs dolēbat. # Omnīs trībūnōs ā colloquiō dīmīsit. === § 214, p. 90 === # I am hearing, I was hearing, I shall hear. # Does she hear? She was hearing, she will hear. # They are hearing, they were hearing, they will hear. # We are hearing, we have heard, you (pl.) will hear. # I have heard, you are hearing, they have heard. # You are coming, she is coming, you (sg.) did come. # She has come, we are coming, we have come. # Do you (sg.) find? You (pl.) have found, you (pl.) are finding. # I have found, she is finding, she has found. === § 215, p. 90 === # Repperit, repperērunt, vēnērunt. # Audīs/audītis, vēnistī/vēnistis, audīvit. # Audīvimus, reperiēbāmus, vēnimus. # Venis/venitis, reperiēbant, veniemus. # Audiam, audimus, audivērunt. # Vēnit, vēnit, audiunt. # Dēfendent, oppugnāvērunt, dēfendit. === § 220, p. 92 === # During the winter winds on the sea are violent. # In summer the farmers were toiling on the fields. # At daybreak they came to Caesar. # Caesar has waged war with strong enemies. # In a few years he has conquered all provinces. # At what time in the night did you (pl.) come into the city? # They capture ten scouts during the second hour of the battle. # At that time a messenger showed the document to a legate. === § 221, p. 92 === # Brevī tempore aestās grāta veniet. # Secundā hōrā noctis ea imperia audīvimus. # Decem vulnera in corpore peditis repperit. # Prīmā lūce Caesar eam cohortem inter collem montemque mīsit. # Prīmō annō bellī ā prōvinciā fūgērunt. # Cūr hieme bellum cum Rōmānōs nōn gessērunt? === § 225, p. 95 === # They will have bought, I had waged, you (pl.) had spent the winter. # They had shown, you (pl.) will have heard, we had subdued. # I shallhave kept, I had filled, you (sg.) had armed. # You (sg.) will have dwelt, she had called, I shall have stayed. # You (pl.) will have told, you (sg.) had sent, we shall have fled. # I had expected, I shall have suffered, she will have strenghthened. # She had kept in check, I had ruled, you (sg.) will have hastened. # Labienus had praised the chief for courage. # A strong man will have had friends many and brave. # Caesar had waged war not only in Gaul but also in Britain. # At what time of the night you (sg.) will have taken the arms? # The Gauls had defended the town with great bravery. # The Roman People had liberated the citizens of that state. === § 226, p. 95 === # Terruerimus, vēnerās, dīmīseritis. # Pugnāverit, cēperat, dēfenderant. # Dūxerāmus, vulnerāverint, iēcerit. # Aedificāveris, reppererāmus, portāverint. # Pōpulus Rōmānus longō temporē Gallōs sustinuerat. # Prīncipēs omnīs cīvitātēs convocāverant. # In eō locō Labiēnus multa tēpa reppererit. # Gallī auxilium exspectāverant. # Tandem eum collem oppugnāverāmus. === § 232, p. 97 === # The general has sent those horsemen and foot soldiers to Capua. # Finally, because of public danger, he has hurried out of Italy to Carthago. # These soldiers had come from Athens, and they were fighting in Gaul. # He sent a messenger to Corinth at the second hour of that night. # Those legates had carried the plunder to Rome. # In that island a bold people had dwelt. # I had been a friend of this centurio. # From this territory all chiefs had fled to Delphi, because at that time enemies were preparing for a war. === § 233, p. 97 === # Delphīs Athēnās vēnerant. # Domō frāter meus Corinthum properāvit. # Caesar nūntiōs per illās cīvitātēs mīserat. # Hīs annīs Gallī amīcī fuerant populī Rōmānī. # Hī hostēs magnā virtūte cum Caesar pugnāverint. # Hoc pīlum, ille gladius est. === § 240, p. 100 === # She loves, he is loved. # He was loving, she was loved. # She will love, he will be loved. # They love, they are loved. # They were loving, they were loved. # Will they love? Will they be loved? # We are loving, we are loved. # I advice, I am adviced. # I was advicing, I was being adviced. # I will warn, I will be warned. # You (pl.) will warn, you (pl.) will be warned. # You (sg.) warn, you (sg.) are warned. === § 241, p. 101 === # Laudās/laudātis, laudāris/laudāminī. # Laudābant, laudābantur. # Laudābis/laudābitis, laudāberis/laudābiminī. # Doceō, doceor. # Docēmus, docēmur. # Docēbimus, docēbimur. # Docent, docentur. === § 244, p. 101 === # This boy was praised by my brother. # This booty will be brought to Rome by Caesar. # By whom is power not loved? # Many stories about Britain will be told by these messengers. # The town is stormed by the soldiers. # In this fight ten men are wounded by the Gauls. # The grain will be brought with ships. === § 245, p. 101 === # Omnēs hī Gallī āb illīs equitibus sustinebuntur. # Frātrēs meī ab illō puerō laudābantur. # Auxilium ā hostibus expectātur. # Paucae cohortēs ā prīncipe vidēbantur. # Rōma āb omnīs Rōmānīs amābātur. === § 250, p. 103 === # That woman you see is Cornelia's mother. # The merchants are bringing many (things) into Germany. # The brave enemies by whom our native land is laid waste are Romans. # These men with whose bravery and determination the city was guarded will come home from war. # The towers which were built with care will be destroyed by the enemy. # The hostages, who are liberated by the Romans, will hurry to Athens. # The commander of legions whom Caesar sent across the river was Labienus. === § 251, p. 103 === # Arma, quae portāvimus, nōn bona sunt. # Eā aestāte cum Caesare, quī prōvinciam dēfendit, pugnābi(ti)s. # Cōnsilium, quō illud oppidum vastātur, laudābō. # Caesar decem legiōnēs in bellīs, quae cum Gallīs gessit, habuit. # Fēmina, cui viam dēmonstrāvī, māter huius obsidis miserī est. === § 258, p. 106 === # She rules, he's ruled. # She was ruling, he was ruled. # She will rule, he will be ruled. # They rule, they are ruled. # They will rule, they will be ruled. # You (sg.) rule, you (sg.) are ruled. # You (sg.) were ruling, you (sg.) were ruled. # You (sg.) will rule, you (sg.) will be ruled. # We are ruling, we are ruled. # You (pl.) rule, you (pl.) are ruled. # I shall rule, I shall be ruled. # They are seizing, they are captured. # She was seizing, he was being captured. # She will seize, he will be captured. # They will seize, they will be captured. # You (sg.) will seize, you (sg.) will be captured. # You (sg.) seize, you (sg.) are captured. # You (sg.) were seizing, you (sg.) were being captured. === § 259, p. 106 === # Dūcit, dūcitur. # Dūcent, dūcentur. # Dūcunt, dūcuntur. # Dūcis/dūcitis, dūceris/dūciminī. # Dūcēmus, dūcēmur. # Mittimus, mittimur. # Mittiturne? Mittunturne? # Mittet, mittētur. # Mitteris/mittiminī, mittēris/mittēminī. # Gerēbant, gerēbam. # Gerimus, gerēmus. # Iacimus, iacimur. # Iaciēbāmus, iaciēbāmur. # Quis recipit? Quis recipiēbatur? === § 261, p. 107 === # Ambassadors have come into consul's camp for peace. # At last these legates are led to the consul. # They will be received well by the consul. # No longer is the enemy's city defended. # The weapons which were thrown down from the walls wounded many. # The soldiers of the consul are not defeated often by the Gauls. # The peace will be welcome to the Roman people. === § 262, p. 107 === # Labiēnus paucīs cum cohortibus Rōmā in Galliam mittētur. # Illa oppida Galliae fortiter dēfendentur. # Legiō ex castrīs dūcuntur. # Hodiē multae cīvitātēs Galliae vincuntur. # Nova cōnsilia sociōrum nostrōrum fīnitimīs nūntiābantur. # Illī recipientur ā Caesare, quī Helvetiōs vīcit. === § 269, p. 109 === # His shield was heavy. # Their friends have been soldiers. # Their zeal is praised. # I will stay with you (pl.) because of the storm. # The war is waged against them. # Is Marcus with you (sg.)? # He was walking with her. # They will hurry to Athens without you (pl.). # We are miserable, you (pl.) are sick and exhausted. # All your (pl.) plans are acceptable to us. # His father and mother were received well by you (pl.) # The remaining chiefs, who were arming themselves, did not come to the meeting. # And thus he calls a centurion to himself and explains the plan to him. # Caesar led the foot soldiers out the camp daily. === § 270, p. 109 === # Māter eius et pater meus tē vīdērunt. # Nunc sunt cum mē. # Eī, eī, eīs praemia dabō. # Castra eōrum oppugnātur. # Egō in oppidum tēcum properābō. # Magnō cum labōre nōs līberāmus. # Ea sē gladiō eius patris vulnerāvit. # Reliquī sē interficient. # Ea aestāte oppida eōrum ā Gallīs vāstābuntur. === § 272, p. 110 === # She hears, she's being heard. # She was hearing, she was being heard. # She will hear, she will be heard. # We hear, we are being heard. # We will hear, we will be heard. # I shall hear, I shall be heard. # You (pl.) hear, you (pl.) are being heard. # You (pl.) will hear, you (pl.) will be heard. # You (sg.) hear, you (sg.) are being heard. # I was hearing, I was being heard. # They hear, they are being heard. # They were hearing, they were being heard. === § 273, p. 110 === # Impediō, impedior. # Impediēbam, impediēbar. # Impediam, impediar. # Impediunt, impediuntur. # Impedient, impedientur. # Reperit, reperītur. # Reperiēbat, reperiēbatur. # Reperiet, reperiētur. === § 284, p. 113 === # Caesar, however, sent his own soldiers across the river. # Caesar will find his (not his own) brother in the camp. # That sick man was deprived of water. # Afterwards that state was lacking food and grain. # He kept soldiers away from this people by buildings and money for a long time. # Because of want of arms the Germans left off from the battle. # Our (troops), who had hurried to the camp of the Germans, kept them away from weapons. # A river was cutting off our troops from the road. # At that time boats were being built near the river by the enemy. === § 285, p. 113 === # Amīcī nostrī pecūniam carēbat. # Hostēs sua aedificia dēfendent. # Nōs ā cūrā līberābis/līberābitis. # Caesar sua cōnsilia dē pāce suīs nūntiāvit. # Posteā ex omniā potestāte Germānōs prīvābunt. # Reliquī prīncipum ab suīs oppidīs interclūdēbantur. === § 287, p. 114 === # A man has been loved, a woman has been loved, a war has been loved. # The men have been loved, the women have been loved, the wars have been loved. # The soldiers had been warned, the boy will have been warned, the town had been warned. # A farmer has been captured, a city has been ruled, a province had been ruled. # I have been captured, I had been captured, I shall have been captured. # You (sg.) have been heard, you (sg.) had been heard, you (sg.) will have been heard. # We have been heard, we had been heard, we shall have been heard. === § 288, p. 115 === # Gallia monita est, Gallia monita erat, Gallia monita erit. # Aedificia capita sunt, aedificia capita erant, aedificia capita erunt. # Fīnēs ā Germānīs rectī erant. # Urbēs dēfensae erunt. # Itaque audītae erimus. === § 290, p. 115 === # Many towns in Italy have been built by the Romans. # Few Germans there have been killed with our javelins. # Your words will have been heard by me. # At that time the commander was cut off from the baggage and carts. # The war, which has been waged by Caesar, was long. # The soldiers, who were sent to Gaul by him, lacked grain. # The booty that had been captured by our commander has been carried to Rome without delay. # In a meeting Caesar said to his own (troops): "My plans have not been hampered by the enemy." === § 294, p. 117 === # The arrival of the legions delights us. # Our army, however, has cut off the Germans from supplies. # Between our (troops) and the enemy was a lake. # Consuls were commanders of Roman armies. # They had fought violently for a long time on the flanks. # Labienus' camp was protected with a swamp and a lake. # In the ports of Greece we have seen many ships during the winter. # We observed the armed force of the enemy. === § 295, p. 117 === # Et pedibus et cornibus pugnant. # Inter montīs multī lacūs āb eīs videntur. # Ab adventū mercātōrum dēlectātī erāmus. # Haec domus est mea, illa est tua. # Prīmā luce autem commeātūs ē castrīs ad portūs portāvērunt. # Statim Rōma ā manibus cīvium mūnita est. # Cūr domū properās/properātis? === § 299, p. 119 === # Which way is shorter? # Which way is the shortest? # Nevertheless, the cavalry had travelled through the neighbouring villages. # The Germans asked for peace from the Roman senate. # The friendship of the allies will be very pleasing to the Roman people. # Our army will make an attack upon the enemy. # This river is wide, but the sea is wider. # The Gauls certainly were very brave in the war. # Where have you seen more brave citizens? === § 300, p. 119 === # Domus tua novissima est. # Imperātōr equitātūs per iter longius mīsit. # Aestās in Brītanniā nōn brevissima est. # Hōc pīlum gravius est. # Pāx autem ab omnibus cīvitātibus Galliae petetur. # Impetum in turrem parvō cum studiō faciunt. # Excercitus per silvās palūdēsque iter faciēbat. === § 311, p. 123 === # A large part of the route is narrow but very easy. # At daybreak we saw a part of the enemy on the mountain. # That of all the roads of the city was shortest. # The men of Britain are different from the men of Italy. # Straightaway ten of the soldiers leave off from the battle. # On a beach the women were grieving because the road was difficult. # The enemy was fiercest and swiftest ff all the Gauls. # The most difficult is often very easy. # They will strengthen (their) friendship with the nearest tribes. === § 312, p. 123 === # Habemusne cōpiam armōrum? # Iter per montīs facile nōn erit. # Quinque ex amīcīs meīs in lītore mittentur ā mē per iter facilius. # Pars mīlitum ā reliquō excercitū interclūdēbātur. # Manus tua similis est meae (manuī). # Hōc est facillimum omnium itinerum per fīnīs Gallōrum. === § 323, p. 127 === # Six legions are led into the lower part of the province by Caesar. # The roads of ''our'' city are narrower by many feet. # A very large armed force of the enemy had been assembled, and they were preventing the Romans from march(ing). # They have thrown very many javelins down from the higher ground. # That tower is ten feet taller than the wall. # A smaller fort was defended by a hundred soldiers. # Your part of the work is larger than mine. # Occasionally our friends give us bad advice. # I see the top of the mountain. # The lower (southern) part of Italy was called "Great Greece" on account of many Greek cities (there); the upper (northern) part of Italy, because the Gauls dwelt there, was called "Cisalpine Gaul" or "the Nearer Gaul". === § 324, p. 127 === # Virī optimī interdum plūrimōs amīcōs nōn habent. # In itinere plūrimī (virī) interficiēbantur; reliquī in silvām magnam fūgērunt. # Cornēlia pede altior quam Iūlia erat. # Gallī plūrēs equitēs quam Rōmānī habēbant.* # Pars hostium in locīs superiōribus exspectābat. # Cōnsilium melius senātuī praebitum est.* # Urbēs maximae centum obsidēs Caesarī mīsērunt. * While the imperfect tense describes, the perfect tense advances a narrative. === § 329, p. 129 === # Fathers and mothers love very greatly their own children. # They give to them very good advice and work for them very diligently. # At that time we will send ahead a great number of foot soldiers in that large forest, which we see from here. # From this mountaintop I easily see six cities and a hundred roads. # In the lowest (southern) parts of the country rivers are very small. # Our troops have been hindered longer by the lake than the mountains. # Most of the soldiers have been left behind near the port; the remaining (soldiers) have suddenly attacked the enemy. # They will build walls with trees and stones. # This river is wider than that by a hundred feet. === § 330, p. 129 === # Interdum hostēs Caesaris multō fortius quam mīlitēs Rōmānī pugnāvērunt. # Sed mīlitēs eius ācerrimē audacissimēque pugnābant. # Diūtissimē cum Gallīs bella gerēbat. # Ampla praemia saepe centuriōnibus suīs deit quod multa praeda cēperant. # In urbe Rōmae ā suīs inimīcīs interfectus est. === § 335, p. 131 === # At first Caesar pitched the camp on the top of the mountain. # The camp has been pitched on the top of the mountain by Caesar. # From this place the enemy have been seen on the large plain. # Between this mountain and that plain was a river, which was hundred feet wide and five feet deep. # However, Caesar drew up the battle line and was waiting the enemy's attack. # For the larger part of the day his horsemen remained in the flanks. # But the enemy did not attack, because they had a small hope of victory. # At that time the young lacked corn for many days. # The hills behind our camp is higher by many feet. === § 336, p. 131 === # Caesar hanc rem ē plūrimīs nūntiīs audivit. # Eō diē fidēs Gallōrum parvissima erat. # Flūmen in eō locō decem pedem altum erat; itaque in lītore tota impedīmenta relīquērunt. # Hae rēs (mīlitēs) nostrī omnī spē prīvāvit. # In Italiā sex diēs manēbimus. === § 345, p. 135 === # He sends a messenger in order that she may warn the citizens. # A youth is being sent that the citizens may be warned. # The legion is sent lest the town will be captured by the enemy. # The legions are fighting bravely to capture the town. # The boy has come so that he will hear the story. # The boys have come so they may hear your words. # We are sending them to govern the province. # We send them in order that the province is ruled by them. # You hasten to Gaul in order to wage war. # We send ahead a hundred soldiers to fortify the camp. === § 346, p. 135 === # Mittitur ut pugnet. # Eōs mittīmus ut viam reperiant. # Mitteris nē in urbem hostēs impetum faciant. # Mīlitēs ē castrīs dūcentur ut aciēs īnstruātur. # Veniam tē mātremque (tuam) videam. # Pugnat ut sē dēfendat. === § 353, p. 137 === # They come that they may seek peace. # They came that they might seek peace. # They will come that they may seek peace. # They had come that they might have sought peace. # They were fighting bravely lest they might be overcome by the Gauls. # They had hurried across the river so they might storm the town. # The legions will be sent to cut off the enemy from supplies. # In order that they might defend the port our (troops) have been sent ahead. # The consul will speak very boldly to rouse the <s>rabble</s> Roman people. === § 354, p. 137 === # Labōrant ut laudent. # Labōrābant ut laudārent. # Labōrābunt ut laudent. # Labōrāvērant ut laudārent. # Dē locīs superiōribus pīla iaciēbant ut Rōmānōs impedīrent. # Prīncipēs convocāverat ut novum cōnsilium audīrent. # Dē proeliō dēsistent nē interficiantur. === § 360, p. 139 === # The boy acted in such a way that he was liked by everyone. # The city has been laid waste lest it would have been captured by the enemy. # We advice him lest he become a soldier. # He commanded them not to travel through our province. # So great is the lack of food that very many are sick. # The city has been defended so bravely that for ten days it was not captured. # The enemy have fled to the forests lest they be surrounded by our (troops). # First Caesar ordered them to give aid to our (troops). === § 361, p. 139 === # Paucī tam erant ut fugerent. # Erant tam fortitēs ut nōn fugerent. # Eum moneō ut fortior sit. # Lēgātus mīlitēs ē castrīs dūxit ut āciem īnstrueret. # Postulat ut castra in eō locō pōnant. # Pālus tantus est ut nostrī impediantur. === § 375, p. 145 === # She asks what they are doing, they have done. # She knew what the were doing, they had done. # I shall tell you why they were toiling, they have toiled. # They had heard whence the soldiers were coming, had come. # They asked why they were being praised, they had been praised. # She knows why they are staying, they had stayed. # She has told us what those boys had done. # I asked whether she had been often in Italy. # Do you know how many years the Romans held Britain? === § 376, p. 145 === # Tibi dīcam ubi fuissent et quid fēcerint. # Hī veniunt ut videant, illī ut videantur. # Dēfessī tam sunt ut hōdiē nōn labent. # Mē rogāvit ut cūr venissem. # Audīveram ut ubi fuisset. # Dūx rogāvit num (illī) omnēs venīrent. # Scīsne quot mīlitēs veniant? === § 383, p. 147 === # On the way two rivers, ten feed deep, will be found. # The memory of these events had roused the army. # They had marched three miles and (then) the first line of battle was drawn up. # Caesar ordered that on the right wing were arranged the third legion and the fourth legion on the left. # Of the three brothers Marcus was the bravest. # For desire of victory this one legion kept back the Gauls. # The heavy javelin of the Romans was six feet long. # The next day they marched eight miles (away) from that place. # The four scouts, whom had been sent ahead, fled because of fear of the enemy. === § 384, p. 147 === # Spēs praemī līberōs Marcī incitābat. # In eō colle decem mīlia peditēs et duo mīlia equitēs īnstructī sunt. # Impedīmentum excertitūs mīlia passuum ā lītore relictum est. # Imperātōr secundam legiōnem prō castra īnstruet. # Adventū duarum legiōnum hostēs ē sinistrō cornū dēcessērunt. # Timor Caesaris Rōmānōrumque ūnam cīvitātem impedeet. # Ūnus hominum erat mihi inimīcus. === § 388, p. 149* === # On one shore of the river there was a city, and on the other was a mountain. # Of the two men, one was a general, the other was a tribune. # By the courage of three legions alone the army was defended. # One legion was placed on the right wing, and the other was placed on the left wing by Caesar. # I will give neither of the captives food. # Which boy is your son? # During the summer there was not a ship in the sea. # Why are you encouraging both of them? === § 389, p. 149 === # Caesar virtūtem tōtīus legiōnis laudāverat. # Uter adulēscēns maiorem virtūtem dēmonstrāvit? # Caesar sine morā cum sōlā secundā legiōne iter faciet. # Aliī castra ponēbant, aliī aciēs īnstruēbant. # Nūllō in locō plūrimās arborēs repperimus. === § 396, p. 151* === # To come, to give, he is able to leave. # To be hindered, to be placed, they are able to be placed. # Receiving rewards is often pleasing. # Caesar has begun to lay waste to the remaining fields and towns of that state. # To hear your words is exceedingly difficult. # The Germans are not able to cut off supplies from the Romans. # At once the multitude began to beg for peace. # They ought to defend themselves. # Who of the entire army was so strong that he endured an enemy attack? # In the winter, days are five hours shorter than in the summer. === § 397, p. 151 === # Castra mūrō altō munīre erit facile. # Auxilium praebēre dēbēs/dēbētis. # Mīlitēs decimae legiōnis incitāre nōn potest. # Bellum gerere nōn saepe est optimum. # Fortēs bonīque esse dēbēmus. # Aliī pugnāre, aliī fugere coepērunt. === § 404, p. 154* === # By means of two scouts, Caesar knew that the enemies had marched six miles. # The allies respond that they will send aid to Caesar immediately. # The general said that he will give ample rewards to his own (men). # They all long to be children. # They all long for Italy to be free. # They all see the town being bravely defended. # Caesar ordered that the third line of battle be drawn up at once. # He knew the Gauls were coming to make an attack. === § 405, p. 154 === # Legātus suōs turrīs aedificāre iubēbit. # Sciō duās legiōnēs praemissās esse. # Per captīvōs cognōvit hostēs cibō carēre. # Eōs in illā cīvitāte hiemāre iussit. # Mercātōrēs respondērunt nūllum frūmentum in fīnibus Germānōrum esse. === § 413, p. 159* === # He can, he was able to, he shall be able to. # We have been able to, they had been able to, they were able to. # Do you know why these words of yours cannot be heard? # Identical were the difficulties of war that he could report to you all. # Labienus himself knew the causes of war were very many. # I reckon that I will purchase nothing today. # They no longer demand that the Roman people proffer ships. # The centurion who with eight scouts had been send to learn the way has reported that he had not been able to learn the way. # They all were hoping that Caesar would defeat the Gauls this summer. # The men themselves say that the weapons cannot be thrown. === § 414, p. 159* === # Potuimus, poterit, poteram. # Potuerat, potuerint, poterāmus # Līberī ipsī nōn iam pācem cupīvērunt. # Dīcunt sociōs nostrōs hodiē eōdem in periculō esse. # Putō mē duō diē cum istō amīcō manēre. # Mercātōrēs nūntiāvērunt multās manūs equitum in mōntēs missās esse. # Putō tē pugnāre posse. # Putāvistī mē venīre nōn posse. === § 421, p. 162* === # Two new rivers have been found by certain bold men. # I can no longer see any one in front of the house. # He demanded that the weapons be surrendered at once so that the citizens would be free from fear. # A certain captive has declared the same thing once again. # Each one shall be able to reply to some one. # Some women had not only been disturbed, but also had fled. # The legate demanded that everyone carry grain out of the region. # A certain legion was hastening to Delphi on account of a hope for victory. # This land of yours is like the island. === § 422, p. 163* === # Quisque dīcit Gallōs appropinquāre. # Quiddam nōn postulat. # Illa puella dextrā in manū aliquid habet. # Parte cuiusque aestātis apud montēs collīsque habitāmus. # Hodiē fābula nobīs ā aliquō narrābātur. # Simul quīdam in Caesarem vēniēbant ut auxilium postulārent. # Sciō quid quemque agere posse. === § 430, p. 165* === # One town of the allies had been attacked by the enemy for a long time, and fortifications were ravaged daily. # Because food and weapons have began to be lacking to the citizens, the allies have asked that Caesar send troops to help. # Therefore Caesar has placed Labienus in charge of one legion and has sent him as an aid to the citizens. # On the way Labienus ran into the enemy, who came from everywhere to capture the town. # The javelins were a hindrance to them, but the swords were a great advantage. # Our men have been superior to the enemy and have overcome them. # Labienus said that he would be a defense to the citizens. # Do you know who was at the head of the town? === § 431, p. 165* === # Virtūs Caesarī saepe nōn dēerat. # Virīs fortibus praefuit. # Praesidiō patriae suae erat. # Annōs multōs bellīs proximīs nōn superfuit. # Principibus Gallōrum Germānōrumque praestitit. # Lēgātōs cīvitātibus, quae victae erant, praefēcit. # Mare multīs pedibus altius est quam ille lacus. === § 436, p. 167* === # You all are willing, we are not willing, you are more willing # He did not trust the merchants. # To be unwilling, to have been more willing # They wish to persuade you all. # He is willing to favor me. # And they do not want to cause injury to you. # We prefer to be of help to you. # Why do you not want to help your mother? Lit. Why do you not want to be a help to your mother? # We reckon he want to rule over the cavalry. # At sunset the soldiers will capture the enemies' camp. # For few desire war from these people. # He commanded the soldiers that they bravely oppose the Gauls. # Neither the women nor the children were afraid. === § 437, p. 167* === # Volēbant, nōlam, mālet. # Auxiliō nostrīs nōlēbant. # Amīcīs tuīs placēre nōn poterant # Atque imperātōrī nōn persuāsērunt. # Eīs imperābit ut mulieribus nōn noceant. # Illō tempore neque Gallī neque Germānī bellō volēbant. === § 447, p. 171* === # Some of the soldiers were fleeing and have been captured. # Hindered by these things on this day, they did not make an attack. # The other centurion was wounded while fighting in the first line of battle. # Aid had been sent to our soldiers attacking the camp. # Certain women left in the town have determined to defend themselves. # Part of the enemy has been disturbed by the arrival of Caesar and has left at sunset. # He left the soldiers that were brought back in the winter quarters. # The multitude of slaves, having been frightened, were fleeing from the city. # The following day, the camp have moved. === § 448, p. 172* === # Quīdam vir resistēns ā hoste vulnerātus est. # Vulnerātī tam fortiter pugnavērunt ut captī esse nōn possent. # Commōtus difficultātibus itineris legiōnēs suōs rēdūcere cōnstituit. # Hī equitēs praemissī longē fortiterque Gallōs restitērunt. # Dē cōnsiliīs tuīs rogātus, nihil dīcam. # Ducēs captī in Italiam mittentur.   === § 457, p. 176* === # When the enemies had been defeated, he determined to march through the middle of the province. # With Caesar as consul, the war with the Gauls was long. # When a certain town had been taken by storm, a camp was placed on the very banks of this river. # The Helvetians, having been influenced by a lack of everything, sent ambassadors to Caesar concerning surrender. # With these things having been discovered, all were eager for war. # Although few were defending it, the Romans were not able to capture this town. # With the captives having been received into surrender, the general left behind three cohorts as relief for the camp. # These prisoners had been captured for the same reason while fighting quite bravely.   # Who put the horsemen who had been sent to aid the generals in command? # When the city had been fortified, the citizens were no longer frightened. === § 458, p. 177* === # Hīs verba audītibus, magnopere permōvit. # Urbe captī, mīlitēs captīvēs līberāvērunt. # Tōtum diem hostēs nostrōs resistēbant. # Labienō duce, exercitus noster hostibus nocēre potuerint. # Monte captī, Labienus nostrōs expectābat. # Ēruptiōne factī, prīmam aciem nostram appropinquāre nōn potuērunt. === § 464, p. 179* === # He goes, we go, they were going. # To go, having loved, they shall go. # They go, they had gone, he has gone. # He reported the difficulty of navigating. # This is the reason for sending. # He came for the purpose of sending letters. # Diligence in action [acting/doing] pleases the leader. # The opportunity was not given for fighting. # Caesar has stopped speaking. # The time for throwing javelins at the enemy was short. # They have come near to talk. # He shall go with you all to enquire about their names. # He wanted to know where they had been going. # Labienus ordered that the camp be fortified with a rampart. === § 465, p. 179* === # Īs, ībant, ierat. # Ībimus, ieris. # Quō iērunt? # Eīs īre persuādet. # Imperāvit ut eant. # Causā quaerendī pācem vēnērunt. # Spatium ōrandī nōn datum est. # Ad nāvigandum mare appropinquābant. # Eō diē tria mīllia passuum iērunt et occassū solis casta posuērunt.   === § 476, p. 183* === # He bears, we bear, they shall bear. # To bear, he shall bear, to have borne. # They are coming back to bring help. # They had borne, he had been carried. # In peace-seeking. # On account of desiring freedom.   # By increasing men. # Of bridge-making. # The legion prepares itself for waging war. # Many have come together to see the new city. # The sign had to be given. # With the signal given, the soldiers marched with the greatest swiftness. # Everything had been done at once. # We reckon that the war ought to be arranged. # He lacked time because of the javelin throwing. # Weapons are to be brought to the winter-quarters. === § 477, p. 183* === # Fers, ferunt, tulerat. # Tulistī, ferēbant, ferendō. # Auxilium ferēbatur. # Dīxērunt scūta ferenda esse. # Oppidī videndī. # Causā aciēī īnstruendī. # Bellō gerendō. # In acrīs vāstandīs. # Vīs sociōrum cotīdiē auget. # Vīs hostium ferenda est. # Cohors celeritāte redūcenda est. # Lēgātus hīs cōpiīs praesentus erat. === § 485, p. 187 === === § 486, p. 187 === === § 491, p. 189 === === § 492, p. 189 === === § 499, p. 193 === === § 500, p. 193 === === § 504, p. 195 === === § 505, p. 195 === == Reading Lessons == Translations for the reading lessons are kept as literal as possible. These should not be taken as an example neither for translation nor reading. === § 96, p. 46-7 === Cornelia and Julia are small girls. Where do they dwell? They dwell not in Greece but in a renowned town of Italy. They are inhabitants of Rome. Italy is the native country of the Romans. Rome has wide roads and large temples. The Romans like and approve of war. <br> Cornelia is a poet's daughter. The poet often walks in wide gardens. He also sings about the long war and the flight of the Germans because he approves the victory of the Romans. <br> Julia is a farmer's daughter. The farmer has horses and new carts. The farmer's horses carry food and grain. The farmer's slaves give water to the horses. Julia likes the horses and praises the slaves. The farmer is a good master. <br> Marcus and Galba, tribunes, are friends of the girls. Marcus is a friend of the poet's and tells pleasing stories to Cornelia. Galba shows forests and islands of the sea to Julia. (During the modern times this could, and probably would, end up being understood horribly wrong, and the whole affair would end badly for both Marcus and Galba.) <br> A good woman teaches the girls. Cornelia's diligence delights the woman. She calls together the girls in the poet's garden, and she tells stories. The stories of war frighten the small girls. <br> They (= presumably the girls and the woman) often prepare gifts for Vesta. Who is Vesta? Vesta is a Roman goddess, and she has a temple. The girls often walk on Roman roads and behold the booty of Germany and Britain. === § 138, p. 61 === Romulus has built Rome, the renowned city of Italy. The Romans were strong men, and they loved their fatherland. They were fighting often for their fatherland, and with arms they subdued often the Sabines in battle. The Sabines had fine arms, and they fought with great zeal for a long time with long javelins. But the Romans put the Sabines in flight, and they wounded many men with (their) swords. === § 158, p. 67 === Mars, ancestor of the Romans, was fond of arms, battles and wars. Romulus and Remus, sons of the god of arms, have built Rome. And so, battles and wars delighted the minds of the Romans. The Romans worshipped Mercury, Neptune, and Vesta. Mercury, a messenger of the gods, related commands of the gods to inhabitants of the Earth. Sailors worshipped Neptune, the god of water and sea. Women worshipped Vesta, the goddess of hearth, and they prepared many offerings for the goddess. === § 169, p. 72 === ''Marcus'': My friend told me a good story today. ''Julia'': About what did your friend tell? ''Marcus'': (He told) about Icarus, son of Daedalus, an unfortunate boy. ''Julia'': Where did Icarus live? In Britain? ''Marcus'': He did not live in Britain, but in Crete, a large and famous island. Daedalus conceived and prepared wings for (his) son. These wings he put on Icarus using wax with great care. The wings were pleasing to Daedalus. The he taught Daedalus, the boy, to fly, but Icarus flew too high. An so the sun melted the wax, and the wings fell off. ''Julia'': And what about Icarus? ''Marcus'': Icarus too fell down into the sea. ''Julia'': [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alack Alack], poor Icarus! === § 170, p. 73 === '''The Romans fight for (their) allies''' Because injuries have been many, our allies ask for succour. And accordingly, the Romans have sent a legate with men into the land of Helvetians. Presently this legate has called men together in a town. He has bought food and carts, and he has armed the men with swords and shields. Meanwhile the allies have prepared grain. Today the legate will strengthen the spirits of the men. Then he will lead the men in neighbouring lands and will wait for a battle. The spot of that battle is near to the Helvetians('s troops). Our men will fight with great zeal for the allies, and they will subdue the Helvetians. They will lead many prisoners into the town. Those prisoners will pass the winter in our villages. === § 200, p. 84 === Porsena, an enemy of the Romans, was a famous king. Once he was besieging the city, Rome. Terror of the Romans was great, because Porsena had many soldiers. Frightened women were supplicating the gods in temples. But the bravery of a strong man protected Rome. For with a few comrades Horatius kept back the enemy in front of the Sublician bridge. Meanwhile the citizens dismantled and broke down the bridge in the rear. Then Horatius sent away (his) comrades, and he (alone) defended the bridge against the enemy. Finally the bridge fell down, and among the javelins of the enemy Horatius leapt down into the Tiber and swam to his comrades. This example of bravery saved Rome. Today we praise the deeds of Horatius. === § 202, p. 85 === Spain, Gaul, and Germany were countries of Europe. Nearest to the Strait of Gibraltar (= [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Hercules the Pillars of Hercules]) was Spain. The Gauls lived between Spain and Germany, and Germans dwelled on the other side of Rhine. The Germans had a few villages in Gaul too. Because these nations were enemies (of the Romans), the Romans have fought with the Spaniards, the Gauls, and the Germans often. Between Gaul and the (mediterranean) sea was a new province of Rome. For a long time the inhabitants of that province warded off violence of the Gauls. Finally they requested help from the Romans; for they were greatly afraid of the neighbouring Helvetians. The Helvetians were hostile not only to the province but also to the Germans, and they were fighting the Germans with almost daily battles. === § 216, p. 91 === M: Today I heard the story about Porsena and Horatius. I: Who was Porsena? Was he a Roman? M: Porsena, a noble king, was an enemy of the Romans. With daring soldiers he came into the territories of the Romans, and he attacked the city of Rome. I: Did the Romans flee because of the danger? M: Great was the danger of the city and of the citizens, because the enemies were brave and eager, but the Romans did not flee. I: Did Porsena capture Rome? M: He did not capture the city, because the bravery of a strong man was protecting the citizens. With few allies, Horatius was bravely fighting for the city. I: Did Horatius withstand the enemies for a long time? M: Not for a long time, because the enemies were many, and they were hurling many javelins. But he swam across the river to allies. The Romans praised Horatius on account of his courage. === § 222, p. 93 === # Once a friend asked a Spartan: "Why does Spart not have walls?" The Spartan responded: "Our city has the very best walls, the courage of the strong inhabitants." # Once the Spartan king said: "My citizens have never asked, 'How many are the enemies?' but 'Where are they?'" # Before battle with a Spartan, an enemy said, 'You will not see the sun on account of a multitude of javelins and arrows." "In shade, therefore, we will fight," responded the Spartan. === § 234, p. 98 === In Gaul, the citizens were many and strong. The chiefs of these citizens feared the power and commands of the Romans. Therefore, they had called together many soldiers and among the mountains and hills they were waiting for the Romans. In the first year of the war, the Roman people sent Caesar against the Gauls. This leader, with Labienus and foot soldiers and a few horsemen, hasetened out of Italy in the summer and without peril came into the territories of the Gauls. In these places the scouts of Caesar found enemies. At dawn, the Roman soldiers attacked the Gauls. Intense was the battle. The Gauls were defending the place with stones and heavy weapons. Our men were throwing javelins, and with swords they were withstanding the enemeis. Finally the weary Gauls, on account of a lack of weapons and wounds, fled across the river. For ten years Caesar waged many wars in Gaul and he sent many captives to Rome. === § 236, p. 99 === Because the Britons had often sent aid to the Gauls, Caesar sailed to the Britain island. Although frightened by a great number of ships and men, the strong Britains fought with great courage in defense of the homeland. Yet finally they fled from shore. After this battle, the Romans had laid waste to the fields of the enemies, and had seized villages, and had captured much booty. Cassivellaunus, chief of the Britons, sent envoys to Caesar. Caesar demanded hostages. With these hostages and many captives, he came out of Britain into Gaul. On account of this victory, great was the power of the Romans in Britain. === § 275, p. 111 === At one time, the cities of Rome were rendered a great danger from the Volscians, who were bold enemies of the Roman people. The Volscians were stirred and led by Coriolanus, a Roman. At last, many buildings in the fields were laid waste by the enemies. The citizens armed themselves. The city was supplied food by the consul. In vain the enemies were hindered. Then, because of the great danger, the Romans sent the mother of Coriolanus to him regarding peace, because she was greatly loved by her son. Veturia, the mother of Coriolanus, came into the camp to her son. She found him in the camp. Coriolanus saw her and said, 'My country have conquered me and my allies.' At once he fled from the city with the enemies. === § 277, p. 111 === Many stories concerning Perseus are told by poets. Perseus was the son of Jupiter, king of the gods. His grandfather was Acrisius. He was wishing to kill Perseus; for on account of the power of the gods, he feared the boy. Therefore, he captured him while he was still a baby, and placed him with his mother in a chest. Then he cast the chest into the sea. Danae, the mother of Perseus, was fearing greatly, for a great storm was disturbing the sea. However, Perseus was sleeping in the arms of his mother. === § 291, p. 115 === Then Jupiter saw all of this, and he determined to save his son. Therefore he made the sea calm, and he drew the chest to the island of Seraphim. Polydectus was the king of this island at that time. After the ark was drawn to the shore, Danae was sleeping on the sand. After a short time she was found by a man, and she was led to the king. He received well the mother and son, and offered to them a safe dwelling in his territories. === § 314, p. 124 === Scipio and Hannibal were famous generals. The former was a Roman, who won great victories; the latter was a Carthaginian, who conquered the Romans in many battles. Hannibal, when a boy, was brought to the altar by his father. There he swore hatred against the Romans. The young man captured many towns in Spain, then he passed over the Alp mountains and often defeated the Romans in Italy. Scipio, near the Ticinus River, courageously saved the life of his father, and afterwards, near Cannae, showed himself brave against Hannibal. War was carried across into Africa, and there Scipio defeated Hannibal near Zama. He is called by the Romans, 'Africanus.' === § 316, p. 125 === Perseus, as a young man, withdrew from the island Seriphus, and, after he came to the mainland, sought Medusa. For a long time, in vain, he was seeking her for he was ignorant of the nature of the location. After a while, Mercury and Minerva showed to him the road. First unto the Graeae, the sisters of Medusa, he came. With their help he received winged shoes and a magic helmet. Mercury and Minerva gave to him a sword and mirror. Then, after he put on his feet the winged shoes, he ascended into the air. For a long time he flew through the air; finally, however, to that place where Medusa was living with the other Gorgons he came. The Gorgons were monsters whose heads were wholly covered with snakes. But their hands were made from bronze. === § 337, p. 132 === === § 339, p. 133 === === § 368, p. 142 === === § 370, p. 143 === === § 391, p. 149 === === § 406, p. 156* === After this battle, Caesar spoke to his soldiers in a meeting thus: they had fought bravely; and so the enemy has been defeated everywhere and has fled to the mountains and the marshes; he [Caesar] would give the booty to them; he [Caesar] knew that they were tired on account of the long war and that he would send them to Italy at once; he [Caesar] wanted to remain in Gaul through the winter, but the following summer he [Caesar] would lead his own (men) to the Germans; many captives had been sent to Rome, and the Roman people were delighted by their victory. === § 408, p. 156-7* === When Perseus saw this, he took out his sword, and, after donning his magic boots, flew through the air. Then he suddenly attacked the monster from above, and gravely wounded its neck with his sword. When the monster felt the wound, it let out a horrible noise and without delay submerged its entire body in the water. As Perseus flew around the shore, he awaited its return. But meanwhile, the sea was being tainted everywhere with blood. After a short time the beast exposed its head again; nevertheless it was soon wounded by Perseus with a more severe strike. Then it again submerged itself in the waves, and thereafter was never seen again. After Perseus descended to the shore, he first removed his magic boots; then came to the cliff where Andromeda was bound. But she had put away all hope of salvation, and when Perseus arrived, she had nearly died of fear. The former loosened her bonds at once and returned the girl to her father. Cepheus was affected with great joy on account of this action. And so he gave Andromeda to Perseus in matrimony. Perseus lived with his wife in this region for a few years, and existed in great honor among all Ethiopians. === § 423, p. 163* === [From Caesar's ''Commentāriī De Bellō Gallicō'' Book I.I] All of Gaul is divided in three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the Aquitani another, and the third those who are called Gauls. Of all of these the bravest are the Belgae because they are neither near the Roman provinces nor do traders come to them often; and they are the nearest to the Germans, who live across the Rhine, and with whom they wage war. For this reason the Helvetians are also braver than the rest of Gaul. They struggle on account of nearly daily battles with the Germans, when they restrain them from their own territories or they themselves wage war in the Germans' territories. This part that the Gauls occupy begins at the river Rhone; and is stopped at the river Garonne, the ocean, and the Belgian territories. === § 438, p. 168* === Certain mice had a meeting once, for they greatly feared a cat. Plans that were put forward was not pleasing to all. Finally one mouse spoke thus: "We ought to tie a tinnabulum to the cat's tail. Thus truly on account of his sound we shall be warned and shall be able to flee. Who of us wishes to do this?" But none of the companions was persuaded to tie the tintinnabulum to the cat, and he himself was unwilling. This story teaches that very many are bold in offering advice but are afraid of the very risk [of doing so]. === § 439, p. 168* === One time, Nasica came to the house of the poet Ennis and asked about him. The slave-girl responded that Ennius was not at home. But Nasica felt that that girl said this on account of the master's command and that Ennius was home. A few days later Ennius came to Nasica's house. She exclaims to him that Nasica is not at home. Then Ennius said, "What? Do I not know your voice?" Hereupon Nasica replied, "You are a shameless man. I believed your slave-girl; you do not believe me myself?" === § 440, p. 168-9* === [From Caesar's ''Commentāriī De Bellō Gallicō'' Book I.II] Oregetorix was the most famous of the Helvetians for a long time. He was led by desire for the kingship and created a conspiracy of the nobility. Then he persuaded the state to hasten from their own land with all of their troops. It was easy to persuade them because the Helvetians are enclosed on all sides by the nature of the place: on one side the river Rhine, the broadest and deepest, which divided the land of the Helvetians from the Germans; on the other side by the very high Jura mountain, which is between the Sequani and the Helvetians; on the third side by lake Lemannus [Geneva] and the river Rhine, which divides our province from the Helvetians. On account of the multitude of men and the glory of war they reckoned themselves to have a small territory, which extended 240 miles in length and 180 miles in breadth. === § 449, p. 173* === # Lacaenus said to his son while hastening to battle, "either on a shield or with a shield." (A Greek saying based on the fact that slain warriors would be carried home upon their shields.) # Leonidas said to the soldiers, "The enemies are near us," to which he responded, "Now we are near the enemy." # Thales, having been asked, "What is common to men?" responded, "Hope; for truly now they have this who have nothing at all." # A Corinthian spectator asked, "You make strong and high walls. Which women inhabit this city?" # A certain man asked Aristotle, "What is friendship?" Aristotle replied, "One soul in two bodies." # Cicero said, "The one that cannot tame an army is the general who cannot tame himself."   === § 451, p. 173-4* === The Helvetians, influenced by these things and having been agitated by the authority of Orgetorix, determined to buy the maximum number of carts, prepare a supply of grain, and strengthen peace and friendship with neighboring nations. Meanwhile Orgetorix assumed the position of ambassador towards the nations. During this quest he persuaded Casticus, a Sequani, whose father had possessed the Sequani kingdom for many years and had been named friend of the Roman people by the Senate, to seize the kingdom in his own nation. He persuaded this man to do the same for the other chiefs. Influenced by Orgetorix's speech, these chiefs offered hostages amongst themselves, and they hoped to be able to occupy the entirety of Gaul by themselves. The Helvetians however did not approve of this meeting. Therefore they gathered together a multitude of men from the fields to avert Orgetorix's plans. But at this time Orgetorix suddenly died.    === § 479, p. 184-5 === === § 494, p. 190-1 === == Reviews == === § 68, p. 38 === === § 69, p. 38 === === § 70, p. 39 === === § 71, p. 39 === === § 72, p. 39 === # Rule: The subject of a sentence is in the nominative case.<br>''Equus natat.'' # Rule: A verb agrees with its subject in number and person.<br>''Equī natant.'' # Rule: The object of a verb is in the accusative case.<br>''Puella equum exspectat.'' # Rule: The word enoting the owner or possessor is in the genitive case.<br>''Equus puellae natat.'' # Rule: The cause of and action may be expressed by a dependent clause introduced by ''quod''.<br>''Equus natat quod puella equum exspectat.'' # Rule: The indirect object of a verb is in the dative case.<br>''Rēgīna puellae equum dat.'' # Rule: Plase where is commonly expressed by a phrase consisting of a preposition, usually ''in'', with the ablative case.<br>''Puella in agrō equum spectat.'' # Rule: -.<br>''Quis puellae equum dat?''<br>''Rēgīnane puellae equum dat?''<br>''Cuius equum rēgīna puellae dat?'' === § 115, p. 54 === === § 116, p. 54 === === § 117, p. 55 === === § 118, p. 55 === === § 119, p. 55 === # Rule: Adjectives agree with their nouns in case, gender, and number. <br>''Ea puella equum bonum et parvam habet.'' # Rule: A predicate noun agrees in case with the subject of the verb. <br>''Cornēlia est puella.'' # Rule: A predicate adjective agrees in case, gender, and number with the subject of the verb. <br>''Iūlia et Cornēlia sunt amīcae.'' # Rule: An appositive agrees in case with the noun it explains. <br>''Cornēlia puella equum probat.'' # Rule: Certain adjectives meaning near, fit, friendly, pleasing, like, and their opposites may be accompanied by a dative to show the person or the thin toward which the quality of the adjective is directed. <br>''Equus Cornēliae grātus est.'' === § 163, p. 70 === === § 164, p. 70 === === § 165, p. 70 === === § 166, p. 71 === === § 167, p. 71 === # Rule: The means by which an action is accomplished is expressed by the ablative without a preposition.<br>''Sociōs vulnerōs scutīs portāvērunt.'' # Rule: The ablative with cum is used with abstract nouns to denote the manner of an action; but cum may be omitted if an adjective modifies the noun of the phrase.<br>''In eō locō cum studīo pugnāvērunt; sed prō eō vīcō magnā cūrā pugnāvērunt.'' # Rule: The ablative with cum is used to show accompaniment.<br>''Is lēgātus in Italiam cum sociīs properāvit.'' === § 203, p. 86 === === § 204, p. 86 === === § 205, p. 87 === === § 206, p. 87 === === § 207, p. 87 === # Rule: Place from which is expressed by the ablative with ''ā'' (''ab''), ''dē'' or ''ē'' (''ex'').<br>''Ab urbē Horātius properat.''<br>''Dē pontē Horātius desiluit.''<br>''Ē portā Horātius properāvit.'' # Rule: The place to which is expressed by the accusative with ''ad'' or ''in''.<br>''Ad pontem Horātius cucurrit.''<br>''In flūmen Horātius desilit.'' # Rule: The ablative without a preposition is used to express cause.<br>''Multīs vulneribus mīlitēs dēfessī sunt.'' # Rule: Cause may also be expressed by a prepositional phrase consisting of ''ob'' or ''propter'' with the accusative, or of ''dē'' or ''ex'' with the ablative.<br>''Ob virtūtem Horātiī eum laudāmus.''<br>''Rōmānī multīs dē iniūrīs cum Helvetiīs pugnāverunt.'' # Rule: -<br>''Ad pontem contrā hostīs Horātius properat.''<br>''Ante pontem inter sociōs Horātius apud hostīs pugnāvit.''<br>''Ob iniūriās per urbem et trāns pontem Horātius, et post Horātium cīvēs, properāvērunt.'' # Rule: -<br>''Ab urbe et ē portās cum sociīs prō Rōmā Horātius, sine terrōre, properat.'' # Rule: -<br>''Nostrī dēfessī sunt.''<br>''Dux dēfessōs ā proeliō dīmīsit.'' === § 252, p. 104 === === § 253, p. 104 === === § 254, p. 104 === === § 255, p. 105 === === § 256, p. 105 === === § 301, p. 120 === === § 302, p. 120 === === § 303, p. 121 === === § 304, p. 121 === === § 305, p. 121 === === § 362, p. 140 === === § 363, p. 140 === === § 364, p. 141 === === § 365, p. 141 === === § 366, p. 141 === === § 415, p. 160 === === § 416, p. 160 === === § 417, p. 161 === === § 418, p. 161 === === § 419, p. 161 === === § 466, p. 180 === === § 467, p. 180 === === § 468, p. 181 === === § 469, p. 181 === === § 470, p. 181 === === § 506, p. 196 === === § 507, p. 196 === === § 508, p. 197 === === § 509, p. 197 === === § 510, p. 197 === === § 511, p. 197 === ompts0d9m6pkgeczz1prdz2yvf764cv 0 417655 4639366 4635639 2026-06-08T17:39:06Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Product Names */ 4639366 wikitext text/x-wiki {{TOC right|limit=3}} == Introduction == : In order to facilitate word-building and to maximize comprehension and decipherability of words, certain meanings and functions have been attached to consonants and vowels. : The vocabulary of Mirad is composed of '''''base words''''' and '''''derived words'''''. : The vocabulary is built on '''''base words''''', that is, indivisible, building-block words. The choice of the root of these words (formed generally from two or three letters) is determined by: ::* The meaning of each letter of the word. ::* The importance of the group of ideas that this word evokes in its proper sense and in the sense that is directly opposite it, eg.: ''fixed'' vs. ''variable''. ::* How frequently the word and its derivations are used in the language. ::* The geometric system of vocabulary construction (see a later section on what this is all about). ::* The logic of its composition. ::* The mnemonic associations this word suggests. : The words derived from base words in turn follow very simple laws called '''''vocabulary-building rules''''', which are spelled out below. == Base Words == : '''''Base words''''' are elements of vocabulary that cannot be broken down any further and which serve as the basis for many derived words in the language. Base words are divided into two groups: ::* Group 1:&nbsp;&nbsp;consisting of '''''nouns''''' ::* Group 2:&nbsp;&nbsp;consisting of '''''prepositions, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, determiners, and verbs'''''. == Base words of Group 1 == : Base words of Group 1 (nouns) are composed of three letters: :::* The first, a consonant called the '''''classifier''''' :::* The second, a vowel called the '''''ordinal''''' :::* The third, a consonant called the '''''generic''''' These words can be thought of as noun templates. :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Base Word Composition |- ! Classifier !! Ordinal !! Generic !! Meaning |- | '''t''' || '''o''' || '''b''' || ''man'' |- | '''d''' || '''o''' || '''t''' || ''society'' |- | '''p''' || '''o''' || '''t''' || ''animal'' |- | '''f''' || '''o''' || '''b''' || ''plant'' |} == Base words of Group 2 == : Base words of Group 2 (everything but nouns) are composed of one or two letters, not including grammatical endings. If one letter, it is a consonant or sometimes a vowel(*). If two letters, they consist of a consonant + vowel combination or a vowel + consonant combination. Here are some examples (the hyphen at the end means that the base word does not stand alone, but is followed in usage by a grammatical ending such as '''-er''' (verb infinitive marker) or '''-a''' (adjective marker): ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Some Examples of Group 2 Base Words | '''b-'''....''put'' || '''p-'''....''go'' |- | '''s-'''....''be'' || '''x-'''....''do'' |- | '''d-'''....''say'' || '''t-'''....''know'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''ob'''....''off'' |- |'''bu'''....''to'' || '''bi'''....''from'' |- |'''if-'''....''love'' || '''uf-'''....''hate'' |- |'''fi-'''....''good'' || '''fu-'''....''bad'' |- |'''va'''....''yes'' || '''vo'''....''no'' |- |'''vya-'''^*....''true'' || '''vyo-'''....''false'' |- | '''a'''....''one'' || '''o'''....''zero'' |} : *<small> As mentioned above, "vowel" in this case may include glided vowels, i.e. those preceded and/or followed by one of the glides '''y''' or '''w'''. So, for purposes here, '''ya''', '''ye''', '''yi''', '''yo''', '''yu''', '''wa''', and other pre- and post-glided vowels, are considered "glided vowels".</small> == Consonants and Their Meanings == : The classifier (initial letter) and generic (final letter) in group 1 base words (nouns) are consonants. Also, group 2 base words almost always have one consonant. So, you need to be familiar with the general meaning of the consonants in the Mirad alphabet, as shown in the following chart: ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Consonants and Their Meanings |- ! Consonant !! Group 1 Classifier !! Group 1 Generic !! Group 2 Classifier !! In Numbers |- | '''b''' || organ, health || organism || gesture, position || |- | '''d''' || society || family || communicating || |- | '''f''' || vegetation || textile, clothing || volition, attributes || |- | '''g''' || -- || measurement || quantity, attributes || |- | '''j''' || time || time || time || |- | '''k''' || -- || health || change, risk, attributes || |- | '''l''' || -- || element, food, liquid, nature || -- || '''l''' = ten |- | '''m''' || nature || place, building, furniture || temperature, light || '''ml''' = million<br>'''mr''' = billion |- | '''n''' || commerce || -- || -- || |- | '''p''' || animal, vehicle || motion || movement || |- | '''r''' || -- || tool, machine, cosmos || -- || '''r''' = thousand |- | '''s''' || form, image, furniture || thing || being, form, thing || '''s''' = hundred |- | '''t''' || human, body || person, animal || intelligence, knowing || |- | '''v''' || plant, color || linen || truth, attributes || |- | '''x''' || action || -- || action, doing, making || |- | '''z''' || -- || precious, art || spatial, attributes || |} : The following consonants functions rather than, or in addition to, semantic values: ::* '''l''' and '''r''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Liquids used after vowels to intensify the semantics of a word, eg.: '''baer'''....''to lean'', '''baler'''....''to press'', '''barer'''....''to crush''; ::* '''y''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Glide used 1) before a stem vowel to intensify the semantics of a word, eg. '''voa'''....''negative'' -> '''vyoa'''....''false'', or 2) after a vowel to de-intensify the semantics of a word, eg. '''ama'''....''hot'' -> '''ayma'''....''warm''. ::* '''h''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Used functionally only in certain interjections like '''hoy'''....''goodbye'' and determiners like '''his'''....''this'', and has no semantic value. ::* '''w''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Has no semantic value of its own, but is used only 1) to form the masculine gender of nouns and pronouns, eg. '''tob'''....''person'' -> '''twob'''....''man'', or 2) to form the passive voice of verbs, eg. '''uber'''....''to send'' -> '''ubwer'''....''to be sent'', or 3) to form a numerical unit marker, eg. '''awa'''....''one'', or 4) sometimes to substitute for '''y''' when this letter would cause ambiguity or difficulty in pronunciation with other consonants eg. '''jwo'''....''late'', instead of '''jyo'''. ::* '''n''':&nbsp;&nbsp; In addition to its semantic values, functions often 1) as a buffer letter, as in '''ana'''....''only'', or 2) as a suffix to derive a nominal abstraction from an adjective, such as '''fian'''....''goodness'' from '''fia'''....''good'', or from a verb, such '''axnen'''....''behaving'' from '''axner'''....''to behave''. == Vowels and Their Meanings == : Ordinal vowels in Mirad have meanings or values of the following types: ::* meronymic ::* hierarchical ::* geo-specific ::* oppositional/polar ::* vectorial ::* directional and positional ::* special === Ordinal Vowel Values === :: The numerical value of ordinal vowels is shown in the chart below. The vowels beginning with '''y''' are considered pre-y-glided vowels. These numeric values serve as the "ordinal vowel" in scaled base words. See the section on [[Mirad Grammar/Phonology and Orthography#Vowels|Vowels]]. ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Numeric Values of Vowels |- ! Ordinal Vowel !! '''o''' !! '''a''' !! '''e''' !! '''i''' !! '''u''' !! '''yo''' !! '''ya''' !! '''ye''' !! '''yi''' !! '''yu''' |- !row=1| Cardinal Number | 0 || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || 7 || 8 || 9 |} === Meronymic Vowel Gradation === :: Ordinal vowels can be used as the stem vowel in Group 1 base words to form a '''''{{color|blue|meronymic}}''''' series. (This gradation can also be called '''''taxonomic'''''. The top element, or hypernym, has zero ('''o''') as its defining vowel. The others are hyponyms or meronyms (= parts of the whole), and have incrementally higher numbers of their ordinal vowel. '''T<u>a</u>b''' (''body'') is the first meronym of '''t<u>o</u>b''' (''human being''), the hypernym or zeroth element. ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Meronymic Series |- !colspan=1| Rank !colspan=7| Meronymic or Taxonomic |- ! 0 | '''tob'''....''human'' || '''fob'''....''plant'' || '''vob'''....''crop''|| '''mos'''....''floor''||'''som'''....''furniture''||'''tom'''....''building''||'''job'''....''time'' |- ! 1 | '''tab'''....''body'' || '''fab'''....''tree'' || '''vab'''....''grass''|| '''mas'''....''wall''||'''sam'''....''chest of drawers''||'''tam'''....''house''||'''jab'''....''year'' |- ! 2 | '''teb'''....''head'' || '''feb'''....''fruit'' || '''veb'''....''tuft''|| '''mes'''....''door''||'''sem'''....''table''||'''tem'''....''hall''||'''jeb'''....''season'' |- ! 3 | '''tib'''....''trunk'' || '''fib'''....''trunk'' || '''vib'''....''stalk''|| '''mis'''....''window''||'''sim'''....''chair''||'''tim'''....''room''||'''jib'''....''month'' |- ! 4 | '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''fub'''....''branch'' || '''vub'''....''shoot''||'''mus'''....''stairs''||'''sum'''....''bed''||'''tum'''....''closet''||'''jub'''....''day'' |- ! 5 | '''tyob'''....''leg'' || '''fyob'''....''root'' || '''vyob'''....''tuber''|| || || ||'''jwob'''^*....''hour'' |- ! 6 | || || || || || ||'''jwab'''^*....''minute'' |- ! 7 | || || || || || ||'''jweb'''^*....''second'' |} * The letter '''w''' replaces the letter '''y''' following a '''j''', for ease of pronunciation. : The words that descend from the base word are called '''''meronyms'''''. A hypernym is a word that is higher in scale. === Hierarchical Vowel Gradation === :: Ordinal vowels can be used as the stem vowel in Group 1 base words to form a '''''{{color|blue|hierarchical}}''''' series where the top element has zero ('''o''') as its defining vowel. The others are subordinate elements and have incrementally higher numbers that define a descending series related to that top element. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Hierarchical Vowel Gradation |- !colspan=1| Rank !colspan=4| Hierarchy |- ! 0 | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''dot'''....''society'' || '''tod'''....''family''||'''xob'''....''organization'' |- ! 1 | '''dab'''....''government'' || '''dat'''....''friend'' || '''tad'''....''spouse''||'''xab'''....''staff'' |- ! 2 | '''deb'''....''leader'' || '''det'''....''associate'' || '''ted'''....''parent''||'''xeb'''....''boss'' |- ! 3 | '''dib'''....''ministry'' || '''dit'''....''citizen'' ||'''tid'''....''sibling''||'''xib'''....''department'' |- ! 4 | '''dub'''....''minister'' || '''dut'''....''gentleman'' || '''tud'''....''child''||'''xub'''....''branch'' |} === Geo-specific Vowel Gradation === : Ordinals can have '''''{{color|blue|geo-specific}}''''' values, that is values, related to the sky, land, sea, outer space, and underground. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Geo-specific Vowel Values |- ! Ordinal ! Geo-sphere ! colspan=7| Examples |- | align=center | '''o''' || ''outer space, top level'' || '''m<u>o</u>p'''....''orbit'' || '''mom'''....''outer space''|| '''mol'''....''nature''||'''dop'''....''military''||'''pop'''....''voyage''||'''mol'''....''nature''||'''pot'''....''wild animal'' |- | align=center | '''a''' || ''air, gas, sky'' || '''m<u>a</u>p'''....''wind'' || '''mam'''....''sky'' ||'''mal'''....''air''||'''dap'''....''air force''||'''pap'''....''flight''||'''mal'''....''wind''||'''pat'''....''bird'' |- | align=center | '''e''' || ''ground, soil, solid'' || '''m<u>e</u>p'''....''road'' || '''mem'''....''land''|| '''mel'''....''soil''||'''dep'''....''army''||'''pep'''....''ride''||'''mel'''....''soil''||'''pet'''....''domestic land animal'' |- | align=center | '''i''' || ''liquid'', ''water'', ''sea'' || '''m<u>i</u>p'''....''river'' || '''mim'''....''sea''|| '''mil'''....''water''||'''dip'''....''marines''|| '''pip'''....''navigation/sail''||'''mil'''....''water''||'''pit'''....''fish'' |- | align=center | '''u''' || ''underground'', ''mineral'', ''substance'' || '''m<u>u</u>p'''....''tunnel''|| '''mum'''....''underground'' || '''mul'''....''mineral''|| ||'''pup'''....''tunneling''||'''mul'''....''matter''|| |} === Spectral Ordinal Vowel Gradation === : The basic color terms use the natural order of the spectrum to determine the ordinal vowels: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Spectral Ordinal Vowel Gradation |- ! Order || Mirad !! English |- | 0 || '''olza'''¹ || ''blank, of no color'' |- | 1 || '''alza''' || ''red'' |- | 2 || '''elza''' || ''orange'' |- | 3 || '''ilza''' || ''yellow'' |- | 4 || '''ulza''' || ''green'' |- | 5 || '''yolza''' || ''blue'' |- | 6 || '''yalza''' || ''purple'' |- | 7 || '''yelza''' || ''indigo'' |} {{small/top}} : 1) In the natural spectrum, there really is no 0th order. {{small/end}} : The colors black and white are: :* '''malza'''....''white'' :* '''molza'''....''black'' : Some colors are hybrids of two colors: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Hybrid Colors |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''aolza''' || ''pink'' (a blend of ''blank'' and ''red'') |- | '''youlza''' || ''blue-green'' |- | '''maolza''' || ''gray'' (a blend of ''black'' and ''white'') |} : The word for ''brown'' is based on the word for ''soil'': :* '''melza'''....''brown'' (< '''mel'''....''soil'') : Two other colors are based on metals: :* '''agelkza'''....''silver'' (based on '''agelk'''....''silver metal'' :* '''aulkza'''....''gold'' (based on '''aulk'''....''gold metal'' === Oppositional (or Polar) Vowel Values === : In Group 2 stems: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Oppositional Vowel Values |- | '''a'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ya''' || intermediate || '''i'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yi''' |- | <big>⇑</big> positive<br><big>⇓</big>negative || '''e'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ye''' || <big>⇑</big> positive<br><big>⇓</big>negative |- | '''o'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yo''' || value || '''u'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yu''' |} ::* positive '''a''' contrasts with negative '''o'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''av'''....''for'' vs. '''ov'''....''against'') ::* positive '''ya''' contrasts with negative '''yo'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''yava'''....''innocent'' vs. '''yova'''....''guilty'') ::* positive '''i''' contrasts with negative '''u'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''fia'''....''good'' vs. '''fua'''....''bad'') ::* positive '''yi''' contrasts with negative '''yu'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''yiva'''....''free'' vs. '''yuva'''....''bound'') ::* '''e''' and '''ye''' are in-between values&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''eva'''....''neutral'', '''yeva'''....''fair'') ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Group 1 Oppositional Vowel Gradation |- ! positive !! intermediate !! negative |- | '''aga'''....''big'' || '''ega'''....''normal'' || '''oga'''....''small'' |- | '''yava'''....''innocent'' || '''yeva'''....''just''|| '''yova'''....''guilty'' |- | '''ava'''....''for'' || '''eva'''....''neutral'' || '''ova'''....''against'' |- | '''aker'''....''to win'' || '''eker'''....''to risk'' || '''oker'''....''to lose'' |- | '''yak'''....''expectation'' || '''yek'''....''attempt'' || '''yok'''....''surprise'' |- | '''fia'''....''good'' || || '''fua'''....''bad'' |- | '''ifer'''....''love'' || || '''ufer'''....''hate'' |- | '''yifa'''....''brave'' || || '''yufa'''....''afraid'' |} : Some Group 1 base words have ordinal vowel stems that exhibit '''''oppositional''''' values: : The Group 1 base word '''bok''' (''illness'') is a good example: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Group 1 base word with oppositional values |- ! Positive !! Intermediate !! Negative |- valign=top |'''bak'''....''health''||'''bek'''....''treatment''||'''bok'''....''illness'' |- |'''byak'''....''hygiene''||'''byek'''....''cure''||'''byok'''....''pain''<br>'''byoyk'''....''ache''<br>'''blok'''....''suffering''<br>'''brok'''....''agony'' |- |'''baak'''....''sanitation''|| ||'''book'''....''fatigue'' |- |'''bik'''....''care''|| ||'''buk'''....''wound''<br>'''buyk'''....''sore'' |} === Vectorial Vowel Values === : These ordinal vowels have to do with directions, up, down, south, left, etc. {{big/top}}&nbsp;&nbsp; ::::::'''a''' ::::::↑ ::::'''u'''&nbsp;&nbsp;←&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''e'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;→&nbsp;&nbsp;'''i''' ::::::↓ ::::::'''o''' {{big/end}} :::'''a'''....''on, above, north'' ('''ab'''....''on'', '''zamer'''....''north'') :::'''e'''....''center, middle, equator'' ('''eb'''....''between'', '''ze'''....''center'') :::'''o'''....''off, below, south'' ('''ob'''....''off'', '''zomer'''....''south'') :::'''i'''....''right, east'' ('''zi'''....''right'', '''zimer'''....''east'') :::'''u'''....''left, west'' ('''zu'''....''left'', '''zumer'''....''west'') === Directional and Positional Vowel Values === {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Directional and Positional Vowel Values |- | colspan=8 align=center | '''A''' |- | rowspan=6 align=center | '''U''' || || '''a'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''<u>a</u>''' || <big>↑</big><br>'''<u>ya</u>''' ||'''ya'''<br>↑<big></big> || || rowspan=6 align=center | '''I''' |- | '''u''' → || || '''<u>e</u>'''||'''<u>ye</u>''' || || → '''i''' |- | → '''<u>u</u>''' || ||'''e''' ||'''ye''' || || '''<u>i</u>''' → |- | → '''<u>yu</u>''' || || colspan=2 align=center| '''E''' || || '''<u>yi</u>''' → |- | '''yu''' → || || || || || → '''yi''' |- | || <big>↑</big><br>'''o''' || '''<u>o</u>'''<br>↑<big></big> || '''<u>yo</u>'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''yo''' || |- | colspan=8 align=center| '''O''' |} :: Explanation of the above chart: :::* If the vowel is capitalized, it indicates a '''''positional''''' value. It is used in its lowercase spelling as a prefix in Group I words. :::* The non-capitalized vowels (including y-glides) indicate '''''directional''''' values. :::* If the vowel is underlined, it means that it is placed '''''before''''' the classifier consonant (prefixed) in verbs :::* Otherwise, a normal vowel means that it is placed '''''after''''' the classifier consonant (infixed) in Group 2 words. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Explanation of the Vowel Meanings Chart |- | '''A''' || position || || on, above, north || '''z<u>a</u>mer'''....''north'' |- | '''a''' || movement || (free) || ''on'' || '''b<u>a</u>er'''....''lean'' |- | '''<u>a</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''onto''||'''<u>a</u>ber'''....''put on'' |- | '''ya''' || movement || (free) || ''up, ascend''|| '''b<u>ya</u>er'''....''lift'' |- | '''<u>ya</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''up, get up, set up''|| '''<u>ya</u>ber'''....''raise'' |- | '''O''' || position || || under, lower, south|| '''z<u>o</u>mer'''....''south'' |- | '''yo''' || movement || (free) || ''off''|| '''b<u>yo</u>er'''....''hang'' |- | '''<u>o</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''on the bottom of, underneath''|| '''<u>o</u>per'''....''get off'' |- | '''yo''' || movement || (free) || ''down''|| '''p<u>yo</u>ser'''....''fall'' |- | '''<u>yo</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''fall''|| '''<u>yo</u>per'''....''rise'' |- | '''U''' || position || || left, west|| '''z<u>u</u>mer'''....''west'' |- | '''u''' || movement || (free) || ''move toward the center, come''|| '''<u>u</u>ber'''....''send'' |- | '''<u>u</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''reach the center, arrive''|| '''p<u>yu</u>er'''....''reach'' |- | '''yu''' || movement || (free) || ''near, approach''|| '''<u>yu</u>ber'''....''approach'' |- | '''<u>yu</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''near, reach''|| '''b<u>yu</u>ser'''....''touch'' |- | '''I''' || position || || right, east|| '''z''i''mer'''....''east'' |- | '''i''' || movement || (free) || ''from the center out, go away''|| '''p<u>i</u>er'''....''go away'' |- | '''<u>i</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from the center out, leave''|| '''<u>i</u>per'''....''leave'' |- | '''yi''' || movement || (free) || ''away, go far''|| '''<u>yi</u>per'''....''go far'' |- | '''<u>yi</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from afar, originate''|| '''p<u>yi</u>ser'''....''originate'' |- | '''E''' || position || || center, equator|| '''z<u>e</u>mer'''....''equator'' |- | '''e''' || rest || || ''between''|| '''<u>e</u>b'''....''between'' |- | '''<u>e</u>''' || rest || || ''at, stay, hold''|| '''b<u>e</u>xer'''....''hold'' |- | '''ye''' || movement || || ''in, into, enter''|| '''<u>ye</u>per'''....''enter'' |- | '''<u>ye</u>''' || ||(contact) || ''contain''|| '''b<u>ye</u>er'''....''contain'' |} === Special value of certain letters === : The prefixes '''a-''' or '''an-''' meaning ''one, sole, singular''. ::* '''aot'''....''person'' ::* '''anot'''....''individual'' : Also, the prefix '''yan-''' meaning ''together'' contrasts with '''yon-'''....''apart''. ::* '''yanber'''....''to compose'' ::* '''yonber'''....''to separate'' : The letter '''y''' is prefixed to the vowels of personal pronouns to make them plural: ::* '''at'''....''I, me'' as opposed to '''yat'''....''we, us'' ::* '''et'''....''you'' as opposed to '''yet'''....''you (pl.), you all'' ::* '''it'''....''he, she, him, her'' as opposed to '''yit'''....''they, them'' ::* '''is'''....''it'' as opposed to '''yis'''....''they, them'' : The letter '''y''' is post-fixed to vowels to change the gender to specifically feminine: ::* '''it'''....''he, she, him, her'' as opposed to '''iyt'''....''she, her'' ::* '''tob'''....''person, human being'' as opposed to '''toyb'''....''woman'' : The letter '''w''' is prefixed to vowels to change the gender to specifically masculine: ::* '''it'''....''he, she, him, her'' as opposed to '''wit'''....''he, him'' ::* '''tob'''....''person, human being'' as opposed to '''twob'''....''man'' === The Meaning of Group 1 Base Words === :: The meaning of the base words of Group 1 comes from the combination of the values of the classifier (initial) and the generic (final) consonants. :: The ordinal vowel of those Group 1 base words has a 1) scalar/hierachical, 2) geo-spatial, 3) oppositional, 4) vectorial/positional, or 5) mnemonic values. :: The following table shows some Group 1 bases words, the meaning of their consonants, and the type of ordinal vowel scalarity: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Group 1 Zeroth-level Scalar Base Words and Meanings of the Consonants |- ! Base Word !! Classifier Consonant !! Generic Consonant !! Scalarity Type |- | '''tob'''....''person'' || '''t''' = ''human'' || '''b''' = ''organism'' || meronymic |- | '''tof'''....''clothing'' || " " " || '''f''' = ''fabric'' || meronymic |- | '''tod'''....''family'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''society'' || meronymic |- | '''tom'''....''building'' || " " " || '''m''' = ''place'' || meronymic |- | '''tov'''....''lingerie'' || " " " || '''v''' = ''linen'' || meronymic |- | '''tol'''....''nourishment'' || " " " || '''l''' = ''food'' || oppositional |- | '''top'''....''soul, spirit'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''motion'' || meronymic |- | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''d''' = ''society'' || '''b''' = ''organism''||hierarchical |- | '''dop'''....''military'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''movement'' || geo-specific |- | '''dot'''....''society'' || " " " || '''t''' = ''human''|| hierarchical |- | '''dom'''....''city'' || " " " || '''m''' = ''place''|| geo-specific |- | '''job'''....''time'' || '''j''' = ''time'' || '''b'''....''organism''|| hierarchical |- | '''fob'''....''vegetation'' || '''f''' = ''vegetable'' || '''b''' = ''organism''|| meronymic |- | '''vob'''....''crop'' || '''v''' = ''plant'' || '''b''' = ''organism''|| meronymic |- | '''vos'''....''flower'' || " " " || '''s''' = ''thing''|| meronymic |- | '''volz'''....''color'' || " " " || '''lz''' = ''color, art''|| spectral |- | '''som'''....''furniture'' || '''s''' = ''thing'' || '''m''' = ''place''|| meronymic |- | '''mos'''....''floor'' || '''m''' = ''place, nature'' || '''s''' = ''thing''|| meronymic |- | '''mor'''....''universe'' || " " " || '''r''' = ''machine, system''|| geo-specific |- | '''mom'''....''outer space'' || " " " || '''m''' = ''place''|| geo-specific |- | '''mol'''....''nature'' || " " " || '''l''' = ''substance''|| geo-specific |- | '''mop'''....''orbit'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''movement''|| geo-specific |- | '''pot'''....''animal'' || '''p''' = ''movement'' || '''t''' = ''human, animal''|| geo-specific |- | '''bok'''....''illness'' || '''b''' = ''organ'' || '''k''' = ''condition''|| oppositional |- | '''nom'''....''place'' || '''n''' = ''commercial'' || '''m''' = ''place''|| special |- | '''nog'''....''degree'' || " " " || '''g''' = ''measurement''|| special |- | '''nof'''....''cloth'' || " " " || '''f''' = ''cloth''|| special |- | '''nov'''....''linen'' || " " " || '''v''' = ''linen''|| special |- | '''nod'''....''point'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''communication''|| special |- | '''xob'''....''organization'' || '''x''' = ''action'' || '''b''' = ''organism''|| hierarchical |} ==== Special Arrangement ==== : Other Group 1 nouns, listed in the chart below, have an ordinal vowel which is not so much geo-specific or hierarchical per se, but rather special in some fashion. The consonants, especially the classifier consonant, have meanings like those in the above chart. {| border=0 {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Other Group 1 Base Words |- valign=top | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! d- <br>communication |- | '''daz'''<br>''dance'' |- | '''dyaz'''<br>''ballet'' |- | '''dyez'''<br>''cinema'' |- | '''drez'''<br>''poetry'' |- | '''dez'''<br>''theater'' |- | '''diz'''<br>''comedy'' |- | '''din'''<br>''story'' |- | '''dun'''<br>''word'' |- | '''duz'''<br>''music'' |- | '''dyun'''<br>''name'' |- | '''dyan'''<br>''sentence'' |- | '''dyes'''<br>''book'' |- | '''deup'''<br>''rhythm'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! dr- <br>write |- | '''drof'''<br>''board'' |- | '''draf'''<br>''card'' |- | '''dref'''<br>''paper'' |- | '''drov'''<br>''cardboard'' |- | '''drav'''<br>''notebook'' |- | '''drev'''<br>''page'' |- | '''drez'''<br>''poetry'' |- | '''drar'''<br>''pencil'' |- | '''drir'''<br>''typewriter'' |- | '''drur'''<br>''printer'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! m- <br>nature |- | '''mag'''<br>''fire'' |- | '''mak'''<br>''electricity'' |- | '''mog'''<br>''ash'' |- | '''meg'''<br>''stone'' |- | '''mef'''<br>''brick'' |- | '''mug'''<br>''metal'' |- | '''muk'''<br>''mineral'' |- | '''mez'''<br>''crystal'' |- | '''mek'''<br>''dust'' |- | '''myek'''<br>''powder'' |- | '''mav'''<br>''flame'' |- | '''mov'''<br>''smoke'' |- | '''maf'''<br>''cloud'' |- | '''maj'''<br>''daytime'' |- | '''moj'''<br>''night'' |- | '''man'''<br>''light'' |- | '''maz'''<br>''shine'' |- | '''mon'''<br>''shade'' |- | '''moz'''<br>''dark'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! n- <br>commerce |- | '''naz'''<br>''value'' |- | '''nas'''<br>''money'' |- | '''nax'''<br>''price'' |- | '''nyaz'''<br>''wealth'' |- | '''nyan'''<br>''stack'' |- | '''nox'''<br>''expense'' |- | '''nyox'''<br>''waste'' |- | '''nex'''<br>''saving'' |- | '''nyex'''<br>''storing'' |- | '''nix'''<br>''earning'' |- | '''nyix'''<br>''order'' |- | '''nux'''<br>''pay'' |- | '''nyux'''<br>''supply'' |- | '''nun'''<br>''merchandise'' |- | '''nyun'''<br>''product'' |- | '''nuz'''<br>''jewel'' |- | '''nem'''<br>''location'' |- | '''nyem'''<br>''place'' |- | '''nyeb'''<br>''box'' |- | '''nab'''<br>''row'' |- | '''nap'''<br>''order'' |- | '''nad'''<br>''line'' |- | '''nod'''<br>''point'' |- | '''ned'''<br>''plane'' |- | '''nyed'''<br>''grid'' |- | '''nyad'''<br>''chain'' |- | '''nid'''<br>''volume'' |- | '''nag'''<br>''measure'' |- | '''nak'''<br>''metric value'' |- | '''nog'''<br>''degree'' |- | '''nig'''<br>''space'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! j- <br>time |- | '''jag'''<br>''age'' |- | '''jud'''<br>''date'' |- | '''jod'''<br>''instance'' |- | '''jop'''<br>''sequence'' |- | '''jep'''<br>''process'' |- | '''jwap'''<br>''moment'' |- | '''jwep'''<br>''instant'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! s- <br>thing |- | '''sag'''<br>''number'' |- | '''saz'''<br>''sculpture'' |- | '''san'''<br>''form'' |- | '''saun'''<br>''kind'' |- | '''son'''<br>''matter (abstract)'' |- | '''sin'''<br>''image'' |- | '''siz'''<br>''painting'' |- | '''sun'''<br>''thing (concrete)'' |- | '''syan'''<br>''class'' |- | '''syen'''<br>''style'' |- | '''syin'''<br>''subject'' |- | '''syun'''<br>''object'' |- | '''sar'''<br>''instrument'' |- | '''sir'''<br>''machine'' |- | '''sor'''<br>''engine'' |- | '''sur'''<br>''motor'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! t- <br>human / knowledge |- | '''taz'''<br>''statue'' |- | '''tap'''<br>''physique'' |- | '''tep'''<br>''mind'' |- | '''top'''<br>''spirit'' |- | '''tuz'''<br>''art'' |- | '''toz'''<br>''skin color'' |- | '''tez'''<br>''culture'' |- | '''tyez'''<br>''magic'' |- | '''tin'''<br>''doctrine'' |- | '''tun'''<br>''science'' |- | '''tyan'''<br>''class'' |- | '''tyen'''<br>''skill'' |- | '''tyun'''<br>''idea'' |- | '''tos'''<br>''sensation'' |- | '''tes'''<br>''meaning'' |- | '''tot'''<br>''god'' |- | '''tat'''<br>''angel'' |} |} === The Meaning of Group 2 Base Words === :: The meaning of Group 2 base word stems comes from the combination of the values of the classifier consonant and the ordinal (stem) vowel. The stem does not include adjectival ('''-a'''), adverbial ('''-ay'''), and verbal inflections ('''-er''', '''-ser''', '''-xer''', etc.), which are shown in a smaller typeface after the stem. :: The ordinal (stem vowel) holds oppositional values like positive, intermediary, and negative. :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Stems of Group 2 Base Words |- ! Classifier Consonant !! Positive !! Intermediate !! Negative !! Positive !! Negative |- ! rowspan=4|'''j''' <br>(''time'') | '''ja'''<br>''before'' || '''je'''<br>''during'' || '''jo'''<br>''after''||'''ji'''<br>''since'' || '''ju'''<br>''until'' |- | '''aj'''<br>''past'' || '''ej'''<br>''present'' || '''oj'''<br>''future'' || '''ij^er'''<br>''beginning/begin'' || '''uj/^er'''<br>''end/end'' |- | '''taj^er'''<br>''birth/to be born'' || '''tej^er'''<br>''life/to live'' || '''toj^er'''<br>''death/to die'' || '''tij^er'''<br>''awake state/to be awake'' || '''tuj^er'''<br>''sleep/to sleep'' |- | '''jwa'''<br>''early'' || '''jwe'''<br>''on time'' || '''jwo'''<br>''late'' || '''yij^a'''<br>''opening/open'' || '''yuj^a'''<br>''closing/closed'' |- !rowspan=4| '''g'''<br>(''measurement'') | '''ga'''<br>''more'' || '''ge'''<br>''equal'' || '''go'''<br>''less''|| '''gi'''ⁿ<br>''point'' || '''gu'''ⁿ<br>''angle'' |- | '''ag'''^a<br>''big'' || '''eg^a'''<br>''normal'' || '''og'''^a<br>''small'' || '''ig'''^a<br>''fast'' || '''ug'''^a<br>''slow'' |- | '''yag'''^a<br>''long'' || '''yeg'''^a<br>''normal'' || '''yog'''^a<br>''short'' || '''yig'''^a<br>''hard'' || '''yug'''^a<br>''soft'' |- | '''gya'''^a<br>''thick'' || '''gye'''^a<br>''enough'' || '''gyo-'''<br>''thin'' || '''gyi'''^a<br>''solid'' || '''gyu'''^a<br>''fragile'' |- !rowspan=4| '''k'''<br>(''randomness'') | '''ka'''^xer<br>''find'' || '''ke'''^xer<br>''seek'' || '''ko'''^xer<br>''hide'' || '''ki'''^a<br>''oblique''|| '''ku'''^a<br>''lateral'' |- | '''ak'''^er<br>''win'' || '''ek'''^er<br>''play'' || '''ok'''^er<br>''lose'' || '''ik'''^a<br>''full'' || '''uk'''^a<br>''empty'' |- | '''yak'''^er<br>''expect'' || '''yek'''^er<br>''try'' || '''yok'''^er<br>''suprise'' || '''yik'''^a<br>''difficult'' || '''yuk'''^a<br>''easy'' |- | '''kya'''^a<br>''mobile'' || '''kye'''^a<br>''haphazard'' || '''kyo'''^a<br>''fixed'' ||'''kyi'''^a<br>''heavy'' || '''kyu'''^a<br>''light'' |- ! '''m'''<br>(''nature'') | '''am'''^a<br>''hot'' || -- || '''om'''^a<br>''cold'' || '''im'''^a<br>''wet'' || '''um'''^a<br>''dry'' |- ! rowspan=4|'''f'''^er<br>(''want'', qualities) | || || || '''fi'''^a<br>''good'' || '''fu'''^a<br>''bad'' |- | '''fya'''^a<br>''holy'' || '''fye'''^a<br>''mythical'' || '''fyo'''^a<br>''profane''|| '''fyi'''^a<br>''useful'' || '''fyu'''^a<br>''harmful'' |- | '''yaf'''^er<br>''be able'' || '''yef'''^er<br>''must''|| '''yof'''^er<br>''cannot'' || '''yif'''^er<br>''dare'' || '''yuf'''^er<br>''fear'' |- | '''af'''^er<br>''may'' || '''ef'''^er<br>''need'' || '''of'''^er<br>''be prohibited'' || '''if'''^er<br>''love'' || '''uf'''^er<br>''hate'' |- !rowspan=6| '''v'''<br>(''truth, qualities'' ) | '''va'''<br>''yes'' || '''ve'''<br>''maybe'' || '''vo'''<br>''no''|| '''vi'''^a<br>''beautiful'' || '''vu'''^a<br>''ugly'' |- | '''vay'''<br>''really''||'''vey'''<br>''may''||'''voy'''<br>''not'' || || |- | '''av'''<br>''for'' || '''ev'''^a<br>''neutral'' || '''ov'''<br>''against''|| '''iv'''^a<br>''happy'' || '''uv'''^a<br>''sad'' |- | '''vya'''^a<br>''true'' || '''vye'''^a<br>''relative'' || '''vyo'''^a<br>''false''|| '''vyi'''^a<br>''clean'' || '''vyu'''^a<br>''dirty'' |- | '''yav'''^a<br>''innocent'' || '''yev'''^a<br>''fair'' || '''yov'''^a<br>''guilty''|| '''yiv'''^a<br>''free'' || '''yuv'''^a<br>''captive'' |- | '''van'''<br>''that'' || '''ven'''<br>''if'' || '''von'''<br>''lest''|| || |- ! rowspan=5|'''z'''<br>(spatial) | '''za'''<br>''in front of'' || '''ze'''<br>''in the middle of'' || '''zo'''<br>''in back of''|| '''zi'''^a<br>''right'' || '''zu'''^a<br>''left'' |- | '''zay'''<br>''ahead'' || '''zey'''<br>''across'' || '''zoy'''<br>''back, re-''|| || |- | '''zya'''^a<br>''wide'' || '''zye'''<br>''through'' || '''zyo'''^a<br>''narrow''||'''zyi'''^a<br>''flat'' || '''zyu'''^a<br>''round'' |- | '''az'''^a<br>''strong'' || '''ez'''^a<br>''moderate'' || '''oz'''^a<br>''weak''|| '''iz'''^a<br>''straight'' || '''uz'''^a<br>''curved'' |- | '''yaz'''^a<br>''convex'' || '''yez'''<br>''along'' || '''yoz'''^a<br>''concave'' || '''yiz'''<br>''beyond'' || '''yuz'''<br>''around'' |- ! rowspan=4|'''b-'''^er<br>(''put'') | '''ba'''^y/(^xer)<br>''with, (agitate)'' || '''be'''^y/(^(xer))<br>''at/by, (hold)'' || '''bo'''^y(^xer)<br>''without/(calm)''|| '''bi^(er/xer)'''<br>''from, (take/pull)'' || '''bu'''^(er/xer)<br>''to, (give/push)'' |- | '''ab'''^(er)<br>''on,(put on)'' || '''eb'''^(er)<br>''between,(block)'' || '''ob'''(^er)<br>''off,(take off)'' || '''ib'''^(er)<br>''away,(receive)'' || '''ub'''^(er)<br>''toward,(send)'' |- | '''bya'''^ser/xer<br>''stand/erect'' || '''bye'''^xer<br>''tap'' || '''byo'''^ser/xer<br>''hang/hang''|| '''byi'''^(ser)<br>''since,(originate)'' || '''byu'''^(ser/xer)<br>''up to,(contact/touch)'' |- | '''yab'''^(er)<br>''up,(raise)'' || '''yeb'''^(er)<br>''in,(put in)''<br>'''oyeb'''^(er)<br>''out,(take out)'' || '''yob'''^(er)<br>''down,(lower)''|| '''yib'''^(er)<br>''far,(remove)'' || '''yub'''^(er)<br>''near,(bring)'' |- ! rowspan=4|'''p'''^er<br>(''go'') | '''pa'''^ser/xer<br>''move/move'' || '''pe'''^ser/xer<br>''wait/trap'' || '''po'''^ser/xer<br>''stop/stop''|| '''pi'''^er/ser/xer<br>''leave/withdraw/catch'' || '''pu'''^er/ser/xer<br>''arrive/jump/throw'' |- | '''pya'''^er/ser/xer<br>''hover/jump up/launch'' || '''pye'''^ser/xer<br>''encounter/strike'' || '''pyo'''^ser/xer<br>''fall/drop''|| '''pyi'''^ser/xer<br>''emanate/derive'' || '''pyu'''^ser/xer<br>''reach/impact'' |- | '''yap'''^er<br>''rise'' || '''yep'''^er<br>''enter'' || '''yop'''^er<br>''descend''|| '''yip'''^er<br>''go far'' || '''yup'''^er<br>''approach'' |- | '''ap'''^er<br>''get on'' || '''ep'''^er<br>''intervene'' || '''op'''^er<br>''get off'' || '''ip'''^er<br>''go away'' ||'''up'''^er<br>''come'' |- !rowspan=2| '''s'''^er<br>(''be'') | '''sa'''^n/s/xer<br>''shape/evolve/make'' ||'''se'''^xer<br>''build'' || '''so'''^n/xer<br>''matter/destroy''|| '''si'''^n/yn<br>''image/sign'' || '''su'''^n/er/xer<br>''thing/provide/realize'' |- | '''as'''^er<br>''become'' || '''es'''^er<br>''exist'' || '''os'''^er<br>''cease to be'' || || |- ! rowspan=3|'''x'''^er<br>(''do'' ) | '''xa'''^ler<br>''execute'' || '''xe'''^ler<br>''practice'' || '''xo'''^ler<br>''fail'' || '''xi'''^ler<br>''undertake'' || '''xu'''^ler<br>''provoke'' |- |'''ax'''^ler<br>''act'' || '''ex'''^er<br>''function'' || '''ox'''^ler<br>''abstain'' || '''ix'''^er<br>''effect'' || '''ux'''^er<br>''cause'' |- | '''yax'''^er<br>''be busy'' || '''yex'''^er<br>''work'' || '''yox'''^er<br>''be idle'' || '''yix'''^er<br>''use'' || '''yux'''^er<br>''help'' |- ! '''t'''^er/rer/yer<br>(''know/recognize/know how'') | '''ta'''^xer<br>''remember'' || '''te'''^xer<br>''think'' || '''to'''^xer<br>''forget'' || '''ti'''^er/xer<br>''learn/study''<br>'''tri'''^er<br>''get to know''<br>'''tyi'''^er<br>''learn how'' || '''tu'''^er/xer/uxer<br>''inform/teach/raise''<br>'''tru'''^er<br>''familiarize''<br>'''tyu'''^er<br>''train'' |- ! '''d'''^er/rer<br>(''say/write'') | '''da'''^ler<br>''talk'' || '''de'''^ler<br>''state''<br>'''dye'''^er<br>''read'' || '''do'''^ler<br>''be silent''<br>'''dro'''^er<br>''erase'' || '''di'''^er/ler/rer<br>''ask/beg/require'' || '''du'''^er/ler/rer<br>''suggest/insist/demand''<br>'''dyu'''^er<br>''call'' |- ! rowspan=2|'''h-'''<br>(determiners) | '''ha'''^(a)<br>''the'' || '''he'''^a<br>''some'' || '''ho'''^a<br>''which'' || '''hi'''^a<br>''this'' || '''hu'''^a<br>''that'' |- | '''hya'''^(a)<br>''all'' || '''hye'''^a<br>''any'' || '''hyo'''^a<br>''no'' || '''hyi'''^a<br>''same'' || '''hyu'''^a<br>''other'' |- ! rowspan=2| (conjunctions) |'''ay'''<br>''and'' || '''ey'''<br>''or'' || '''oy'''<br>''but'' || || |- |'''ya'''ⁿ<br>''together'' || ||'''yo'''ⁿ<br>''apart''|| || |- ! rowspan=2| (numbers) | '''a'''<br>''one''|| '''e'''<br>''two''|| '''o'''<br>''zero''|| '''i'''<br>''three''|| '''u'''<br>''four'' |- | '''ya'''<br>''six''|| '''ye'''<br>''seven''|| '''yo'''<br>''five''|| '''yi'''<br>''eight''|| '''yu'''<br>''nine'' |- ! rowspan=1| (privatives) | || || '''lo-''' (''dis-/un-'')<br>'''lyo-''' (''dis-'')<br>'''oy-''' (''-less'')|| || |} :: <small>* Mixed root. '''taj/tej/toj''' instead of '''yaj/yej/yoj''', because the human letter root '''t''' is more intuitive.</small> :: Note: The opposition '''(y)a'''-'''(y)e'''-'''(y)o''' is a three-way opposition with an intermediary sense, but '''(y)i-(y)u''' is two-way, without any intermediary sense. == Derived Word Formation Rules == : Derived words are formed in accordance with certain simple rules of word-building: : These consist of the following rules: ::# Compounding ::# Affixation ::# Ordinal Vowel Scaling ::# Overlapping ::# Adding Ordinal Vowels ::# Swapping Generic Consonants ::# Marking Words for Gender ::# Deriving Words with Geo-specific Vowels ::# Deriving Words with Directional and Positional Vowels ::# Deriving Words with a Mnemonic Pattern ::# Deriving Nuanced Words Phonetically === Rule #1: Compounding === [[File:Compound 6 (maraviroc development).svg|thumb|]] : Compound words are obtained through the combination of two or more whole words or stub words. In the combining process, the determining word is placed quite simply in front of the word it determines. Compounds consist mainly of noun + noun, but there can be other part-of-speech combinations. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Compounding |- ! Component 1 !! Component 2 !! Compound |- | '''mor'''....''cosmos'' || '''tun'''....''science, -ology'' || '''mortun'''....''cosmology'' |- | '''mag'''....''fire'' || '''memyaz'''....''mountain'' || '''magmemyaz'''....''volcano'' |- | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''mem'''....''land'' || '''dobmem'''....''territory'' |- | '''tul'''....''dish'' || '''dras'''....''something written'' || '''tuldras'''....''menu'' |- | '''sin'''....''picture'' || '''dras'''....''something written'' || '''sindras'''....''description'' |- | '''tam'''....''house'' || '''kyoxer'''....''to fix (in place)'' || '''tamkyoxer'''....''to settle'' |- | '''tax'''....''memory'' || '''drer'''....''to write'' || '''taxdrer'''....''to record'' |- | '''kyo-'''....''fixed'' || '''tep-'''....''mind'' || '''kyotepa'''....''stubborn'' |} : Sometimes, the first element can be a stub of a whole word, i.e. the word with the final consonant dropped. The word for ''rain'', for example, is '''ma(m)''' (''sky'') + '''mil''' (''water''), where the final consonant of the first word is dropped, thus, '''mamil'''. : When compounding an adjective with a noun, if the adjective begins with a vowel, often it will be suffixed to the noun, otherwise prefixed, (but this is not a strict rule), eg: :* '''uzra'''....''twisted'' + '''tep'''....''mind'' ---> '''tepuzra'''....''crazy'' :* '''kyoa'''....''fixed'' + '''tep'''....''mind'' ----> '''kyotepa'''....''stubborn, obsessed'' :* '''aza'''....''strong'' + '''tep'''....''mind'' ----> '''tepaza'''....''intelligent'' :* '''fua'''....''bad'' + '''tip'''....''mood'' ----> '''futipa'''....''cross, ill-tempered'' :* '''aga'''....''big'' + '''tip'''....''mood'' ----> '''tipaga'''....''magnanimous, generous'' === Rule #2: Affixation === [[File:Word Cloud of Various Prefixes.png|thumb|]] : Most adverbs and prepositions can be used as prefixes: ==== Prefixes ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Adverbs and Prepositions as Prefixes |- ! Prefix !! Base !! Compound |- | '''ja'''....''before'' ||'''per'''....''to go'' || '''japer'''....''to precede'' |- | '''jo'''....''after'' ||'''per'''....''to go'' || '''joper'''....''to follow'' |- | '''va'''....''yes'' ||'''der'''....''to say'' || '''vader'''....''to affirm'' |- | '''jo'''....''after'' ||'''dras'''....''something written'' || '''jodras'''....''postscript'' |- | '''za'''....''ahead'' ||'''jub'''....''day'' || '''zajub'''....''tomorrow'' |- | '''yon'''....''apart'' ||'''mel'''....''land'' || '''yonmel'''....''island'' |} : Prepositional prefixes ending in '''b''' with verbs '''per''' and '''ber''' (and their derivations) lose the '''b''' before verbal elements based on '''per''' (''go'') and '''ber''' (''put''), as shown in the following chart: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Assimilation of b and p |- ! Prefix !! Base Verb !! New Verb |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''yaber'''....''raise'' (NOT: '''yabber''') |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''yaper'''....''rise'' (NOT: '''yabper''') |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''aber'''....''put on, apply'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''aper'''....''get on, mount'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''yober'''....''take down'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''yoper'''....''descend'' |- | '''ob'''....''off'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''ober'''....''take off, remove'' |- | '''ob'''....''on'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''oper'''....''get off, dismount'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in'' || '''bux'''....''a push'' || '''yebux'''....''impulse'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in'' || '''pyoser'''....''fall'' || '''yepyoser'''....''collapse'' |} : The loss of the '''b''' in the above words in one of the only cases of '''''fusion''''' in Mirad's grammar. Mirad is by and large an agglutinative language where building-blocks are juxtaposed with no change of form. Another case of fusion is when so-called '''''stubs''''' are combined. For example, '''doyijem''' (''public square''), which is composed of '''do(m)'''....''city'' + '''yij(a)'''....''open'' + '''(n)em'''....''place''. The morphemes (= building-block words) of Mirad always have one and only one meaning, unlike in English where the prefix '''a-''' can have many different meanings. : The adjective ending '''a''' is often dropped¹, as is the '''er''' or prefixes taken from verbs. Longish noun prefixes are sometimes clipped, so that '''tyoyab''' becomes '''tyoya-'''. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Prefixes Built on Words and Word Stubs |- ! Prefix !! Base Verb !! Compound Verb |- | '''oza'''....''weak'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''ozder'''....''whisper'' |- | '''yaga'''....''long'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''yagder'''....''ramble'' |- | '''aja'''....''past'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''ajder'''....''evoke'' |- | '''yoga'''....''short'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''yogder'''....''summarize'' |- | '''tyoyab'''....''foot'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''tyoyaper'''....''walk'' |- | '''dreer'''....''write'' || '''sar'''....''tool'' || '''dresar'''....''pencil'' |- | '''tuyob'''....''hand'' || '''dren'''....''writing'' || '''tuyodren'''....''manuscript'' |- | '''mam'''....''sky'' || '''mil'''....''water'' || '''mamil'''....''rain'' |} : <small>¹: Sometimes, the adjective ending '''a''' is retained when an adjective is compounded with '''xer''' or '''ser'''. This device may be used to distinguished two differently nuanced verbs. For example, '''aga''' + '''xer''' can produce '''agaxer'''....''to magnify'' or '''agxer'''....''to grow''. Usually, the compound where the adjective suffix has been eclipsed has the more idiomatic meaning.</small> ==== Most Common Mirad Prefixes ==== {| class="wikitable sortable collapsable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Common Prefixes |- ! Prefix !! Examples |- |'''a(n)-'''....''uni-, one-, mono-''||'''anzyukpar'''....''unicycle''<br> '''antotin'''....''monotheism''<br>'''adeb'''....''emperor'' |- |'''aa-'''....''arch-, first-, prime''||'''aadub'''....''prime minister''<br>'''aatat'''....''archangel''<br>'''aavyan'''....''principle''<br>'''aasaun'''....''prototype'' |- |'''aag-'''....''arch-, main, macro-''||'''aagmep'''....''highway''<br> '''aagdovyab'''....''constitution''<br> '''aagovekut'''....''archrival'' |- |'''aaj-'''....''paleo-, proto-''||'''aajtobtun'''....''paleoanthropology''<br> '''aajsiyn'''....''fossil'' |- |'''ab-'''....''ad-, top, on, epi-''||'''abtob'''....''superman''<br> '''abtim'''....''attic''<br> '''abzen'''....''epicenter'' |- |'''aj-'''....''former, ex-'' || '''ajtayd'''....''ex-wife''<br>'''ajdeb'''....''former leader'' |- |'''ayb-'''....''over-, super-, hyper-, sur-''||'''aybmep'''....''overpass''<br>'''aybdresin'''....''superscript''<br>'''aybdyun'''....''hypernym'' |- |'''ag-'''....''mega(lo)-'' || '''agvyotos'''....''megalomania''<br>'''agtoj'''....''megadeath'' |- |'''alo(n)-'''....''deca-, ten-''||'''alojaga'''....''ten years old''<br> '''alojab'''....''decade''<br> '''alonsuna'''....''decimal'' |- |'''aloy(n)-'''....''deci-, tenth-''||'''aloynux'''....''tithe''<br> '''aloyngoler'''....''decimate'' |- |'''am-'''....''thermo-''||'''amzemula'''....''thermonuclear''<br> '''amvyabxar'''....''thermostat'' |- |'''amlo(n)-'''....''mega-''||'''amloagvunak'''....''megavolt''<br> '''amlotoj'''....''megadeath'' |- |'''amloyn-'''....''micro-''||'''amloynjweb'''....''microsecond'' |- |'''anyen-'''....''idio-''||'''anyenboka'''....''idiopathic''<br> '''anyendyan'''....''idiom''<br> '''anyentepa'''....''idiotic'' |- |'''ao(b/p)-'''....''north-south, up-down, vertical, vertically, y-axis''||'''aonab'''....''column'', ''x-y-axis''<br> '''aopuys yuzpar'''....''hop-on-hop-off bus''<br> '''aonada'''....''vertical'' |- |'''aoye(b/p)-'''....''in-and-out''||'''aoyebar'''....''piston''<br> '''aoyebelen'''....''import-exports''<br> '''aoyepaper'''....''fly in and out'' |- |'''aro(n)-'''....''kilo-''||'''aronminak'''....''kilometer''<br> '''arobanak'''....''kilobit'' |- |'''aroyn-'''....''milli-''||'''aroynvunak'''....''millivolt''<br> '''aoynwunak'''....''milliwatt'' |- |'''(a)so(n)'''....''cent-''||'''asojagat'''....''centenarian''<br> '''asolinak'''....''hectoliter''<br> '''sojab'''....''century'' |- |'''asoy(n)-'''....''cent-, centi-''||'''asoygenak'''....''centigram''<br> '''asoylinak'''....''centiliter'' |- |'''av-'''....''pro-''||'''avYanotina'''....''pro-Communist'' |- |'''ayn-'''....''full-, holo-, whole-''||'''aynnuut'''....''wholesaler''<br> '''aynsin'''....''hologram''<br> '''aynteptija'''....''fully-conscious'' |- |'''e(b/p)-'''....''inter-''||'''ebmos'''....''mezzanine''<br> '''ebyanmulxer'''....''intermingle''<br> '''eper'''....''intercede'' |- |'''ejna-'''....''neo-''||'''ejnadun'''....''neologism''<br> '''ejnaobdabin'''....''neocolonialism'' |- |'''e(n)-'''....''ambi-, bi-, di-, duo-, two-''||'''entyoba'''....''bipedal''<br> '''enzyuspar'''....''bicycle''<br> '''envolza'''....''dichromatic'' |- |'''eon-'''....''duo-, double-, twin-''||'''eonin'''....''dualism''<br> '''eondal'''....''double-speak''<br> '''eonsum'''....''twin bed'' |- |'''ev-'''....''a-, neutral'' ||'''evdofina'''....''amoral''<br>'''evdabtuna'''....''apolitical'' |- |'''ey(b/p)-'''....''intra-, among''||'''eybmasa'''....''intramural''<br> '''eybmimkuma'''....''intracoastal'' |- |'''eyn-'''....''demi-, half-, hemi-, mixed-, pen-, quasi-, semi-''||'''eynzyus'''....''semi-circle''<br> '''eynzyup'''....''half-turn''<br> '''eyntilsyeb'''....''demitassee''<br> '''eynyonmel'''....''peninsula'' |- |'''fi-'''....''bene-, eu-, good-, nice-, well-''||'''fixut'''....''benefactor''<br> '''fidrawa'''....''well-written''<br> '''fitos'''...''euphoria'' |- |'''fu-'''....''dys-, ill-, mal-, mis-, poorly-''||'''futos'''....''dysphoria''<br> '''futuwa'''....''ill-informed''<br> '''fuxeyn'''....''malfeasance'' |- |'''fya-'''....''hiero-, holy-, sancti-''||'''fyasdresiyn'''....''hieroglyphic''<br> '''fyader'''....''sanctify''<br> '''fyatwed'''....''holy father'' |- |'''fye-'''....''mythical, fantasy''||'''fyetop'''....''phantom''<br> '''fyetobet'''....''elfin''<br> '''fyetexer'''...''fantacize''<br> '''fyedin'''....''fantasy'' |- |'''fyo-'''....''evil, profane'' ||'''fyotez'''....''occult''<br>'''fyotat'''....''devil''<br>'''fyotyez'''....''witchcraft'' |- |'''gaw-'''....''re-, again'' || '''gawteaper'''....''revisit''<br> '''gawaker'''....''regain'' |- |'''garale-'''....''tera-''||'''garaleagbanak'''....''terabyte'' |- |'''garalyi-'''....''exa-''||'''garalyibanak'''....''exabit'' |- |'''garalyo-'''....''peta-''||'''galayoagbanak'''....''petabyte'' |- |'''garela-'''....''zetta-''||'''garelaagbanak'''....''zettabyte'' |- |'''garelu-'''....''yotta-''||'''gareluagbanak'''....''yottabyte'' |- |'''ge-'''....''equal to, equi-, 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|'''gra-'''....''extra-, hyper-, over-, ultra-''||'''gratosea'''....''hypersensitive''<br> '''grazoyaxler'''....''overreact''<br> '''granoxea'''....''extravagant'' |- |'''gro-'''....''hypo-, under-''||'''groyixlawa'''....''underemployed''<br> '''groaman'''....''hypothermia'' |- |'''gwa-'''....''hyper-, maxi-, -most, pleisto-, uber-, ultra-, pure, macro-''||'''gwayelza'''....''pure pink''<br> '''gwayafa'''....''supreme''<br> '''gwauja'''....''ultimate''<br> '''gwazoa'''....''hindmost'' |- |'''gwo-'''....''least-, mini-, micro-''||'''gwosag'''....''minimum''<br> '''gwoyuzpur'''....''minibus''<br>'''gwoexlus'''....''microprocessor'' |- |'''hi-'''....''hither, these, this''||'''his'''....''this''<br> '''hisi'''....''these''<br> '''him'''....''here'' |- |'''hya(s)-'''....''pan(to)-, omni-, all-, every-''||'''hyas'''....''everything''<br> '''hyati'''....''all of them''<br> '''hyastea'''....''omniscient''<br> '''hyataadifa'''....''pansexual'' |- |'''hu-'''....''that''||'''hus'''....''that''<br> '''huj'''....''then''<br> '''huyen'''...''that way'' |- |'''huim-'''....''here-and-there, here-and-yon''||'''huimkexer'''....''search high and low''<br> '''huimpaper'''....''fly here and there''<br> '''hyuimpoper'''....''travel here-and-there'' |- |'''huu-'''....''so, such''||'''huugla'''....''so, so very''<br> '''hus'''....''such''<br> '''huyen'''....''in such a way, so, thus'' |- |'''hyaewa-'''....''ambi-''||'''hyaewati'''....''both of them''<br> '''hyaewaziza'''....''ambidextrous''<br> '''hyaewatoobifa'''....''ambi-sexual'' |- |'''hye-'''....''-ever, any, whatever, whichever''||'''hyem'''....''anywhere, wherever''<br> '''hyempea'''....''erratic''<br> '''hjej'''....''ever, anytime'' |- |'''hyi-'''....''homo-, like-, same, syn-''||'''hyitoobifa'''....''homosexual''<br> '''hyis'''....''same thing''<br> '''hyijoba'''....''synchronous'' |- |'''hyo(s)-'''....''nothing, a-'' || '''hyostosea'''....''apathetic'' |- |'''hyu(t/s)-'''....''alter-, hetero-, other-, xeno-, else''||'''hyutoobifa'''....''heterosexual''<br> '''hyua'''....''another, alternate''<br> '''hyutufa'''....''xenophobic''<br> '''hyus'''....''something else'' |- |'''hyui(t/s)-'''....''cross-, mutual, one thing and another, reciprocal''||'''hyuitvikaxen'''....''mutual admiration''<br> '''hyuixer'''....''reciprocate''<br> '''hyuisa'''....''mutual, reciprocal''<br> '''hyuitif'''....''mutual love'' |- |'''i-'''....''toward the speaker''||'''iber'''....''receive''<br>'''ixer'''....''result'' |- |'''ik-'''....''fully, thoroughly''||'''iktoxer'''....''forget completely''<br> '''iktos'''....''satisfaction''<br> '''ikyebixer'''....''engulf, swallow up completely'' |- |'''in-'''....''three-, tri-, tripl-, tern-''||'''inzyuspar'''....''tricycle''<br> '''inaga'''....''three-dimensional''<br> '''injiba'''....''trimensual''<br> '''insuna'''....''ternary''<br> '''intotan'''....''trinity'' |- |'''iyn-'''....''terci-, third''||'''iyna'''....''terciary''<br> '''iynxer'''....''cut into thirds'' |- |'''iz-'''....''ortho-, recti-, right-, straight-''||'''iznada'''....''rectilinear''<br> '''izguna'''....''orthogonal''<br> '''iztin'''....''orthdoxy''<br> '''izdea'''....''forthright'' |- |'''ja-'''....''ante-, fore-, pre-''||'''jaupya'''....''foregone''<br> '''jauper'''....''precede''<br> '''jadropeka'''....''antebellum'' |- |'''je-'''....''per-, continuously, ever-''||'''jetejer'''....''persevere''<br>'''jeteaxer'''....''watch''<br>'''jexrer'''....''perpetuate'' |- |'''jo-'''....''after-, meta-, post-''||'''joexlen'''....''postprocessing''<br> '''jomir'''....''metasphere''<br> '''jotej'''....''afterlife'' |- |'''jwa-'''....''early-, eo-, preter-, proto-''||'''jwaber'''....''prepare''<br> '''jwatuun'''....''premonition''<br> '''jwadodin'''....''early history, protohistory''<br> '''jwamola'''....''preternatural''<br> '''jwajoeb'''....''eocene'' |- |'''jwo-'''....''ceno-, late-, latter-, tard-''||'''jwonux'''....''late payment''<br> '''jwoa'''....''tardy''<br> '''jwoteja'''....''cenozoic'' |- |'''ko-'''....''cover-, hidden, secret-, stealth-''||'''koa'''....''covert''<br> '''koexut'''....''spy''<br> '''koyeper'''....''sneak in'' |- |'''(ko)vyo-'''....''pseudo-, mis-, wrong-''||'''kovyotun'''....''pseudoscience''<br>'''vyobekuer'''....''to mistreat'' |- |'''ku-'''....''para-''||'''kuifut'''....''paramour''<br> '''kuteliut'''....''parasite''<br> '''kuteptun'''....''parapsychology'' |- |'''kya-'''....''alternate, dia-, re-, trans-, vari-, cross-''||'''kyaember'''....''relocate''<br> '''kyajoba'''....''diachronic''<br> '''kyatajnad'''....''crossbreed''<br> '''kyatooba'''....''transgendered''<br> '''kyavolza'''....''variegated, motley'' |- |'''kyao-'''....''falteringly, unsteadily''||'''kyaoper'''....''stagger''<br> '''kyaotexer'''....''vacillate'' |- |'''kye-'''....''chance-, hap-, random-''||'''kyea'''....''haphazard''<br> '''kyebyus'''....''chance encounter''<br> '''kyeteater'''....''happen to see''<br> '''kyesauna'''....''of a random type'' |- |'''kyo-'''....''fixed-, still-, stereo-, stat-''||'''kyosaun'''....''stereotype''<br> '''kyopa'''....''stable, static, stationary''<br> '''kyoson'''....''status'' |- |'''lo-'''....''dis-, semantic reversing prefix, un-''||'''lozeb'''....''disequilibrium''<br> '''loyuvlaxer'''....''disengage''<br> '''loyuzyuber'''....''uncoil''<br> '''lomulvyusber'''....''decontaminate'' |- |'''logel-'''....''hetero-, different-''||'''logelsauna'''....''heterogenous''<br>'''logelaxer'''....''differentiate'' |- |'''maz-'''....''bright-''||'''mazteaba'''....''bright-eyed'' |- |'''mial-'''....''hygro-, atmo-, vapori-''||'''mialama'''....''hygrothermal''<br>'''mialnagar'''....''atomometer, vaporimeter'' |- |'''mil-'''....''aqua-, hydro-, water-''||'''milyexun'''....''aquaculture''<br> '''milmaka'''....''hydroelectric''<br> '''miltilsyeb'''....''water glass'' |- |'''mul-'''....''hylo-, 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'''tayibyok'''....''neuralgia'' |- |'''teeb-'''....''auri-, oto-, ear-''||'''teebbekut'''....''aurist''<br> '''teeteiteyobtut'''....''otorhinolaryngologist''<br> '''teebyel'''....''earwax'' |- |'''tee(s/x/t)-'''....''audio-, son-, phono-''||'''teesnagen'''....''audiography''<br> '''teestaxdras'''....''phonogram''<br> '''teestun'''....''audiology''<br> '''teexdras'''....''audiogram''<br> '''teetyofwa'''....''inaudible'' |- |'''tei(b)-'''....''nasal, nose, rhino-, aroma-, olfact-, osmo-''||'''teibbok'''....''rhinitis''<br> '''teibyeg'''....''nostril''<br> '''teiz'''....''perfume''<br> '''teizuka'''....''aroma-free''<br> '''teityaf'''....''olfactory sense'' |- |'''tiibil-'''....''blood-, hema-, hemato-, hemo-, sanguin-''||'''tiibililp'''....''hemorrhage''<br> '''tiibiliut'''....''bloodsucker''<br> '''tiibloker'''....''exsanguinate''<br> '''tiibiltun'''....''hematology'' |- |'''tuj-'''....''hypno-, somni-, sopor-''||'''tujbek'''....''hyptotherapy''<br> '''tujbyea'''....''somniferous, soporific'' |- |'''u(b/p)-'''....''toward''||'''uber'''....''send''<br>'''ubaer'''....''lean toward'' |- |'''ui-'''....''horizontal, left-right, x-axis''||'''uinab'''....''row'', ''x-axis''<br> '''uinada'''....''horizontal'' |- |'''uib-'''....''back-and-forth, toward-and-away, transmit-receive''||'''uibar'''....''transceiver'' |- |'''uig-'''....''fast-and-slow''||'''uigpar'''....''scooter'' |- |'''uij-'''....''begin-and-end, start-and-stop''||'''uijdaler'''....''stutter'' |- |'''uip-'''....''come-and-go''||'''uipen'''....''traffic, coming and going'' |- |'''uiz-'''....''straight-then-crooked''||'''uizbaser'''....''swagger''<br> '''uizdrer'''....''scribble''<br> '''uizpaser'''....''swerve'' |- |'''u(n)-'''....''four-, quadri-, tetra-, quater-''||'''ungona'''....''quadripartite''<br> '''unnednid'''....''tetrahedron''<br> '''unsuna'''....''quaternary'' |- |'''uyn-'''....''fourth-, quarti-''||'''uynxer'''....''quarter''<br> '''uynjab'''....''quarter (of a year)'' |- |'''ut-'''....''auto-, 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|'''za-'''....''ante-, fore-, front-, pre-, pro-, north''||'''zatim'''....''antechamber''<br> '''zamimuf'''....''foremast''<br> '''zagab'''....''prefix''<br> '''zajuber'''....''procrastinate''<br>'''zamer'''....''north'' |- |'''zao-'''....''back-and-forth, front-and-back''||'''zaopaser'''....''wobble''<br> '''zaokuper'''....''slalom''<br> '''zaopyoser'''....''pendulate'' |- |'''zay-'''....''forth-, pro-, forward, ahead''||'''zaypuyser'''....''skip ahead''<br> '''zaypuxer'''....''propel''<br> '''zayper'''....''go forward, procede''<br> '''zayupea'''....''forthcoming'' |- |'''ze-'''....''mid-, central, medio-''||'''zetej'''....''midlife''<br> '''zepoxer'''....''interrupt, stop midway''<br> '''zetem'''....''central hall'' |- |'''zey-'''....''cross-, meta-, over-, trans-, across''||'''zeyper'''....''transit, get across''<br> '''zeynod'''....''crosspoint''<br> '''zeytyun'''....''metaphor'' |- |'''zi-'''....''right, east, dextro-''||'''zim'''....''right side''<br>'''zimera'''....''eastern'' |- |'''zo-'''....''back-, hind-, retro-, south''||'''zotib'''....''back''<br> '''zotiub'''....''hindquarters''<br> '''zonapa'''....''retrograde''<br>'''zomer'''....''south'' |- |'''zoy-'''....''back-, retro-, re-''||'''zoyper'''....''recede, go back''<br> '''zoybeler'''....''carry back''<br> '''zoyzyublen'''....''backspin'' |- |'''zu-'''....''left-, west-''||'''zutinut'''....''leftist''<br> '''zukum'''....''left side''<br>'''zumera'''....''western'' |- |'''zui-'''....''left-and-right, zig-zag, east-west''||'''zuibyoser'''....''dangle, hang left-and-right''<br> '''zuiper'''....''zigzag''<br> '''zuituyaba'''....''ambidextrous''<br>'''zuimera'''....''east-west'' |- |'''zya-'''....''-wide, wide-, broad-, all about''||'''zyauber'''....''broadcast''<br> '''zyateaba'''....''wide-eyed''<br> '''zyasauna'''....''general''<br> '''zyapoper'''....''cruise, wander''<br> '''zyamira'''....''global, worldwide'' |- |'''zye-'''....''per-, thorough-, thru-, trans-''||'''zyetejer'''....''live through, experience''<br> '''zyeteaxer'''....''peruse''<br> '''zyeteatyafwa'''....''transparent''<br> '''zyemep'''....''thoroughfare''<br> '''zyeper'''....''permeate, transit'' |- |'''zyo-'''....''narrow, steno-'' || '''zyotepa'''....''narrow-minded''<br>'''zyoteat'''....''tunnel vision''<br>'''zyoyija'''....''stenopeic'' |- |'''zyu-'''....''cyclo-, rot-, round-, gyro''||'''zyutim'''....''rotunda''<br> '''zyusem'''....''roundtable''<br> '''zyuper'''....''cycle, gyrate, rotate'' |} ==== Suffixes ==== : Mirad has semantic stub suffixes, derivational suffixes, and normal semantic suffixes. : '''Semantic Stub Suffixes''' :: Semantic stub suffixes are generally formed from the last letters of a base word minus the initial consonant. They serve to put a word into some category, such as liquid, place, person, or material. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Semantic Stub Suffixes |- valign=top ! Suffix Stub !! Suffix Full Form !! Suffixed Example < Base Word |- | '''-il'''....''liquid, drink'' || '''mil'''....''water'' || '''teab<u>il</u>'''....''tear''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teab'''....''eye''<br>'''teub<u>il</u>'''....''saliva''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teub'''....''mouth''<br>'''tayeb<u>il</u>'''....''sweat''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tayeb'''....''skin''<br>'''mam<u>il</u>'''....''rain''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mam'''....''sky'' |- | '''-al'''....''gas'' || '''mal'''....''air'' || '''tieb<u>al</u>'''....''breath''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' |- | '''-(e)l'''....''food'' || '''tel'''....''food'' || '''sup<u>el</u>'''....''pork''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''<u>sup</u>et'''....''swine''<br>'''ta<u>ol</u>'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''taob'''....''flesh''<br>'''fe<u>l</u>'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''feb'''....''fruit'' |- | '''-ul'''....''stuff'' || '''mul'''....''substance'' || '''vix<u>ul</u>'''....''cosmetic''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vix-'''....''to beautify''<br>'''bek<u>ul</u>'''....''medecine''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''bek'''....''treatment'' |- | '''-yel'''....''oil, gel, wax, pulp'' || '''yel'''....''oil'' || '''olf<u>yel</u>'''....''olive oil''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''olfeb'''....''olive''<br>'''appelat<u>yel</u>'''....''wax''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''appelat'''....''bee''<br>'''mag<u>yel</u>'''....''grease''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mag'''....''fire''<br>'''bek<u>yel</u>'''....''salve''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''bek'''....''treatment''<br>'''meg<u>yel</u>'''....''cement''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''meg'''....''stone''<br>'''yan<u>yel</u>'''....''paste''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yan'''....''together'' |- | '''-am'''....''house'' || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''apat<u>am</u>'''....''chicken coop''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''apat'''....''chicken''<br>'''apellat<u>am</u>'''....''beehive''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''apellat'''....''bee''<br>'''melyex<u>am</u>'''....''farmhouse''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''melyex'''....''agriculture''<br>'''datib<u>am</u>'''....''hostel''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''datib'''....''guest-reception'' |- | '''-(e)m'''....''place'' || '''nem'''....''place'' || '''vobyex<u>em</u>'''....''plantation, farm''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vob'''....''plant'' + '''yex'''....''work''<br>'''vab<u>em</u>'''....''field''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vab'''....''grass''<br>'''ab<u>em</u>'''....''top, surface''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ab'''....''above, upper''<br>'''ze<u>m</u>'''....''middle''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ze(a)'''....''middle'' <br> '''tim'''....''room'' |- | '''-im'''....''room'' || '''tim'''....''room'' || '''tul<u>im</u>'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tul'''....''cuisine''<br>'''tuj<u>im</u>'''....''bedroom''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tuj'''....''sleep'' |- | '''-um'''....''cell, booth'' || '''tum'''....''compartment''|| '''pex<u>um</u>'''....''cage''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''pexer'''....''catch''<br>'''ilzyapux<u>um</u>'''....''shower stall''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ilzyapux'''....''shower'' |- | '''-yem'''....''space'' || '''nyem'''....''enclosure'' || '''yom<u>yem</u>'''....''icebox''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yom'''....''ice'' |- | '''-yeb'''....''container'' || '''nyeb'''....''container'' || '''z<u>yeb</u>'''....''bottle''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''zye(f)'''....''glass''<br>'''vos<u>yeb</u>'''....''vase''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vos'''....''flower'' |- | '''-of'''....''material'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''t<u>of</u>'''....''clothes''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''t-'''....''human''<br>'''mis<u>of</u>'''....''curtain''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mis'''....''window''<br>'''fa<u>of</u>'''....''wood''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''fa(b)-'''....''tree''<br>'''tay<u>of</u>'''....''leather''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tayo(b)'''....''skin'' |- | '''-ov'''....''linen'' || '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''tey<u>ov</u>'''....''collar''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teyob'''....''neck'' |- | '''-ar'''....''instrument'' || '''sar'''....''tool'' ||'''p<u>ar</u>'''....''cart''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''p-'''....''motion''<br>'''zyup<u>ar</u>'''....''rotor''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''zyup'''....''turn''<br>'''gobr<u>ar</u>'''....''knife''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''gobrar'''....''cut''<br>'''jwob<u>ar</u>'''....''watch''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''jwob'''....''hour'' |- | '''-ir'''....''machine'' || '''sir'''....''machine'' || '''dr<u>ir</u>'''....''typewriter''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''dr-'''....''write''<br>'''gwob<u>ir</u>'''....''clock'' |- | '''-ur'''....''large machine'' || '''sur'''....''engine'' || '''p<u>ur</u>r'''....''car''<br>'''jwob<u>ur</u>r'''....''grandfather clock''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''jwob'''....''hour'' |- | '''-(u)n'''....''thing'' || '''sun'''....''thing'' || '''d<u>un</u>'''....''word''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''d-'''....''utter, say''<br>'''gofr<u>un</u>'''....''piece, scrap''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''gofrer'''....''rip, shread, tear''<br>'''zyi<u>un</u>'''....''plaque, plate''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''zyia'''....''flat''<br>'''vyu<u>n</u>'''....''spot''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vyua'''....''dirty'' |- | '''-on'''....''abstract thing'' || '''son'''....''issue'' || '''yov<u>on</u>'''....''tort, wrong''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yov'''....''guilt'' |- | '''yen'''....''manner, kind'' || '''byen'''....''manner'' || '''tex<u>yen</u>'''....''opinion''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tex'''....''thought''<br>'''hi<u>yen</u>'''....''this way, thus''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''hi-'''....''this''<br>'''es<u>yen</u>'''....''status''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''es-'''....''exist'' |- | '''-in'''....''-ism'' || '''tin'''....''doctrine'' || '''tot<u>in</u>'''....''theism, religion''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tot-'''....''god''<br>'''Krist<u>in</u>'''....''Christianity''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Krist'''....''Christ''<br>'''vyisat<u>in</u>'''....''puritanism''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vysiat'''....''puritan, clean person''<br>'''oytof<u>in</u>'''....''nudism''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''oytofa'''....''nude'' |- | '''-ufyeg'''....''cylinder'' || '''mufyeg'''....''pipe'' || '''man<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''candle''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''man'''....''light''<br>'''tiib<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''artery''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tiib'''....''heart''<br>'''mil<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''toilet''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mil'''....''water''<br>'''mov<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''cheminee''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mov'''....''smoke'' |- | '''-ab'''....''government'' || '''dab'''....''government'' || '''dit<u>ab</u>'''....''democracy''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''dit'''....''citizen'' |- | '''-eb'''....''leader'' || '''deb'''....''leader'' || '''x<u>eb</u>'''....''boss''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''x-'''....''do''<br>'''tam<u>eb</u>'''....''master of the house''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tam'''....''house'' |- | '''-ub'''....''branch'' || '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''pat<u>ub</u>'''....''wing''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''pat'''....''bird'' |- | '''-ad'''....''language'' || '''-a''' + '''d(alzeyn)'''....''language'' || '''Frans<u>ad</u>'''....''French (language)'' |- | '''-uz'''....''jewelry'' || '''nuz'''....''jewel'' || '''teyob<u>uz</u>'''....''necklace''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teyob'''....''neck''<br>'''teeb<u>uz</u>'''....''earring''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teeb'''....''ear'' |- | '''-u(er)'''....''give'' || '''buer'''....''give'' || '''tiebal<u>u</u>er'''....''exhale''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' + '''al'''....''air'' |- | '''-i(er)'''....''take'' || '''bier'''....''take'' || '''tiebal<u>i</u>er'''....''inhale''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' + '''al'''....''air'' |- | '''-ui(er)'''....''exchange'' || '''buier'''....''exchange'' || '''tiebal<u>u</u>ier'''....''breathe''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' + '''al'''....''air'' |} ==== Derviational Suffixes ==== ::: Mirad has only a few derivational suffixes, i.e. suffixes that change the part of speech. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Derivational Suffixes |- ! Derivational<br>Suffix !! Function || Base Word <br><br>--> Suffixed<br>Derivation |- | '''-er''' || Noun <br>--> Verbal Infinitive || '''sag'''....''count'' <big><br>--></big> '''sag<u>er</u>'''....''to count'' |- | '''-n''' || Present Tense Verb <br>--> Verbal Noun (Gerund)<br>Adjective <br>--> Abstract Noun || '''yexe'''....''(he/she/...) works'' <big><br>--></big> '''yexe<u>n</u>'''....''working''<br>'''via'''....''beautiful'' <big><br>--></big> '''via<u>n</u>'''....''beauty''<br>'''yuba'''....''near'' <big><br>--></big> '''yuba<u>n</u>'''....''proximity, nearness'' |- | '''-a''' || Noun <br>--> Adjective<br>Active Verb<br>--> Verbal Adjective (Present Participle)<br>Past Passive Verb <br>--> Perfect Passive Participle (Adjective)||'''mor'''....''universe'' <big><br>--></big> '''mor<u>a</u>'''....''universal''<br>'''ake'''....''wins'' <big><br>--></big> '''ake<u>a</u>'''....''winning''<br>'''teatwa'''....''was seen'' <big><br>--></big>'''teatwa<u>a</u>''' (or, shortened to: '''teatw<u>a</u>'''....''seen'') |- | '''-ya''' || INTRANSITIVE VERB STEM <br>--> PAST ACTIVE PARTICIPLE || '''ip-'''....''go away'' <big><br>--></big> '''ip<u>ya</u>'''....''gone away'' |- | '''-yea''' || VERB STEM <br>--> HABITUAL PRESENT PARTICIPLE (ADJECTIVE) || '''zaypas-'''....''progress'' <big><br>--></big> '''zaypas<u>yea</u>'''....''progressive'' |- | '''-y''' || ADJECTIVE <br>--> ADVERB || '''iga'''....''quick'' <big><br>--></big> '''iga<u>y</u>'''....''quickly''<br>'''tea-'''....''knowing''<big><br>--></big>'''tea<u>y</u>'''....''knowingly'' |- | '''-ut''' || VERB STEM <br>--> ANIMATE AGENT NOUN ''one who Xes, -er'' || '''ak-'''....''win'' <big><br>--></big> '''ak<u>ut</u>''' ....''winner'' |- | '''-us''' || VERB STEM <br>--> INANIMATE AGENT NOUN ''thing that Xes, -er'' || '''gol-'''....''divide'' <big><br>--></big> '''gol<u>us</u>''' ....''divisor'' |- |- '''-t''' || ADJECTIVE <br>--> ANIMATE NOUN (human, one who is...) || '''yibtrawa'''....''well-known'' <big>-<br>--></big>'''yibtrawa<u>t</u>'''....''celebrity'' |- |- '''-s''' || ADJECTIVE <br>--> INANIMATE NOUN (thing, something X) || '''otwa'''....''unknown'' <big><br>--></big>'''otwa<u>s</u>'''....''mystery'' |} ::: <small>*Derivational affixes change the part of speech of a base word, whereas inflexional affixes change the status of a word within a grammatical paradigm. Verb tense/mood/voice affixes and the plural marker '''-i''' fall under the latter category.</small> ==== Normal Semantic Suffixes==== :* Augmentative Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Augmentative Suffixes |- ! Augmentative Suffix !! Base Word !! Suffixed Derivation |- | '''-ag''' (augmentative) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamag'''....''mansion'' |- | '''-ayg''' (affectionate augmentative) || '''sem'''....''chair'' || '''semayg'''....''big old chair'' |- | '''-yag''' (pejorative augmentative) || '''apet'''....''horse'' || '''apetyag'''....''nag'' |} :* Diminutive Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Diminutive Suffixes |- ! Diminutive Suffix !! Base Word !! Suffixed Derivation |- | '''-og''' (diminutive) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamog'''....''hut'' |- | '''-oyg''' (affectionate diminutive) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamoyg'''....''cottage'' |- | '''-yog''' (pejorative diminutive) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamyog'''....''shack'' |- | '''-et''' (a smaller person) || '''twob'''....''man'' || '''twobet'''....''boy'' |- | '''-es''' (thing of lesser importance) || '''nas'''....''money'' || '''nases'''....''change, coin'' |- | '''-ud''' (child of, offspring) || '''tob'''....''man'' || '''tobud'''....''infant'' |} :* Semantic Adjectival Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Semantic Adjectival Suffixes |- ! Adjectival Suffix !! Meaning !! Base Word !! Suffixed Derivation |- | '''-a''' || '''mor'''....''universe'' || ''related to, -al, -ic'' || '''mora'''....''universal'' |- | '''-aya''' || '''miek'''....''dust'' || ''full of, -ous, -y'' || '''miekaya'''....''dusty'' |- | '''-oya''' || '''vyun'''....''spot'' || ''empty of, -less, -free'' || '''vyunoya'''....''spotless'' |- | '''-ika''' || '''miek'''....''dust'' || ''full of, -ous, -y'' || '''miekika'''....''dusty'' |- | '''-uka''' || '''miek'''....''dust'' || ''empty of, -less, -free'' || '''miekuka'''....''dust-free'' |- | '''-yea''' || '''vyod'''....''lie'' || ''given to doing X, -ive'' || '''vyodyea'''....''mendacious, given to lying'' |- | '''-yena''' || '''tat'''....''angel'' || ''like, -ly, -ic'' || '''tatyena'''....''angelic'' |} :* Other Semantic Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Other Semantic Suffixes |- ! Suffix !! Base Word || Derivation |- | '''-tun'''....''science, ...ology'' || '''tej'''....''life'' || '''tej<u>tun</u>'''....''biology'' |- | '''-tut'''....''-ologist, expert, -ist'' || '''dar'''....''language'' || '''dar<u>tut</u>'''....''linquist'' |- | '''-tuin'''....''theory'' || '''tob'''....''mar'' || '''mar<u>tuin</u>'''....''astrology'' |- | '''-yan'''....''collection, aggregate'' || '''fab'''....''tree''|| '''fab<u>yan</u>'''....''forest'' |- |'''-tyen'''....''trade, -ics'' || '''sir'''....''machine'' || '''sir<u>tyen</u>'''....''mechanics'' |- | '''-if'''....''pet name'' || '''twed'''....''father'' || '''twed<u>if</u>'''....''papa'' |- | '''ifa'''....''-philic, -loving'' || '''dyes'''....''book'' || '''dyes<u>ifa</u>'''....''bibliophilic'' |- | '''ifwa'''....''liked by'' || '''tyod'''....''people'' || '''tyod<u>ifwa</u>'''....''popular'' |- | '''ufa'''....''-phobic, -hating'' || '''toyb'''....''woman'' || '''toyb<u>ufa</u>'''....''misogynous'' |- | '''ufwa'''....''hated by'' || '''tyod'''....''people'' || '''tyod<u>ufwa</u>'''....''unpopular'' |- | '''yafa'''....''able to'' || '''tyoyap-'''....''walk'' || '''tyoyap<u>yafa</u>'''....''ambulatory'' |- | '''yafwa'''....''possible to'' || '''teat-'''....''see'' || '''teat<u>yafwa</u>'''....''visible'' |- | '''yofa'''....''unable to'' || '''teat-'''....''see'' || '''teat<u>yofa</u>'''....''blind'' |- | '''yofwa'''....''impossible to'' || '''dye-'''....''read'' || '''dye<u>yofwa</u>'''....''illegible'' |- | '''yika'''....''hard of...ing'' || '''teet-'''....''hear'' || '''teet<u>yika</u>'''....''hard of hearing'' |- | '''yikwa'''....''hard to'' || '''teet-'''....''hear'' || '''teet<u>yikwa</u>'''....''hard to hear'' |- | '''yuka'''....''easy at...ing'' || '''vatex-'''....''believe'' || '''vatex<u>yuka</u>'''....''gullible'' |- | '''yukwa'''....''easily...ed'' || '''test-'''....''understand'' || '''test<u>yukwa</u>'''....''easily understood'' |- | '''yufa'''....''fearful of, -phobic'' || '''tot'''....''god'' || '''tot<u>yufa</u>'''....''god-fearing'' |- | '''yufwa'''....''feared'' || '''hyat'''....''everybody'' || '''hyat<u>yufwa</u>'''....''feared by all'' |- | '''yiva'''....''free to'' || '''kebi-'''....''choose'' || '''kebi<u>yiva</u>'''....''free to choose'' |- | '''efa'''....''needful of'' || '''tel'''....''food'' || '''tel<u>efa</u>'''....''hungry'' |- | '''efwa'''....''necessary to'' || '''tej'''....''life'' || '''tej<u>efa</u>'''....''vital'' |- | '''yefa'''....''duty-bound to, -worthy of'' || '''dud'''....''answer'' || '''dud<u>yefa</u>'''....''responsible'' |- | '''yefwa'''....''due, -worthy of'' || '''fid-'''....''laud'' || '''fid<u>yefwa</u>'''....''praiseworthy'' |- | '''afa'''....''authorized to'' || '''dokebi-'''....''vote'' || '''dokebi<u>afa</u>'''....''franchised'' |- | '''ofwa'''....''prohibited to'' || '''movi-'''....''smoke'' || '''movi<u>ofwa</u>gonem'''....''no-smoking zone'' |- | '''yiva'''....''free to'' || '''kebi-'''....''choose'' || '''kebi<u>yiva</u>'''....''free to choose'' |- | '''yivwa'''....''free to be ...ed'' || '''kebi-'''....''choose'' || '''kebi<u>yivwa</u>'''....''optional'' |- | '''yuva'''....''bound'' || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tam<u>yuva</u>'''....''house-bound'' |- | '''ova'''....''resistant, anti-'' || '''aagdovyab'''....''constitution'' || '''aagdovyab<u>ova</u>'''....''anti-constitutional'' |- | '''ava'''....''in favor of, pro-'' || '''tyodab'''....''democracy'' || '''tyodab<u>ava</u>'''....''pro-democracy'' |- | '''eva'''....''neutral'' || '''toos'''....''gender'' || '''toos<u>eva</u>'''....''gender-neutral'' |} ==== Inflectional Suffixes ==== : Mirad has only one noun inflectional suffix, namely, '''-''', which makes a singular noun plural: ::* '''tam'''....''house'' --> '''tam<u>i</u>'''....''houses'' : The only other inflectional affixes are the following verb infixes and suffixes: ::* '''-er'''....infinitive ::* '''-e'''....present tense ::* '''-a'''....past tense ::* '''-o'''....future tense ::* '''-u'''....hypothetical mood ::* '''-e-'''....''progressive aspect'' ::* '''-a-'''....''perfect aspect'' ::* '''-o-'''....''immediate aspect'' ::* '''-u-'''....''conditional aspect'' ::* '''-y-'''....''active voice'' ::* '''-w-'''....''passive voice'' : Example: :* '''Wit tuj<u>eya</u> hoj van at pua.'''....''He <u>was sleeping</u> when I arrived.'' ::* '''-e-''' = progressive aspect infix ::* '''-y-''' = active voice infix ::* '''-a''' = past tense suffix === Rule #3: Ordinal Vowel Scaling === : Creating a hierarchy of scalar terms applies only to base words of the Group 1. The hierarchy of scalar terms is built by increasing the numeric value of the ordinal vowel of the base word as the importance or relevance of the word decreases from the topmost, zeroth object. This process is called '''''first-level ordinal scaling'''''. ==== First-level Ordinal Scaling ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ First-level Ordinal Scaling |- valign=top ! ORDINAL VOWEL !! t...b !! m...r !! j...b !! m...s !! t...m !! d...b || f...b || s...m || d...t || t...d |- !row=1| '''o''' = 0 |'''tob'''<br>''man'' || '''mor'''<br>''universe'' || '''job'''<br>''time'' || '''mos'''<br>''floor''|| '''tom'''<br>''building'' || '''dob'''<br>''state'' || '''fob'''<br>''plant'' || '''som'''<br>''furniture''||'''dot'''<br>''society''||'''tod'''<br>''family'' |- !row=1| '''a''' = 1 |'''tab'''<br>''body'' || '''mar'''<br>''sun'' || '''jab'''<br>''year'' || '''mas'''<br>''wall'' || '''tam'''<br>''house'' || '''dab'''<br>''government'' || '''fab'''<br>''tree'' || '''sam'''<br>''armoire''||'''dat'''<br>''friend'' || '''tad'''<br>''spouse'' |- !row=1| '''e''' = 2 |'''teb'''<br>''head'' || '''mer'''<br>''planet'' || '''jeb'''<br>''season''|| '''mes'''<br>''door'' || '''tem'''<br>''hall'' || '''deb'''<br>''leader'' || '''feb'''<br>''fruit'' || '''sem'''<br>''table''||'''det'''<br>''associate'' || '''ted'''<br>''parent'' |- !row=1| '''i''' = 3 |'''tib'''<br>''trunk'' || '''mir'''<br>''earth'' || '''jib'''<br>''month'' || '''mis'''<br>''window'' || '''tim'''<br>''room'' || '''dib'''<br>''office'' || '''fib'''<br>''tree trunk'' || '''sim'''<br>''chair''||'''dit'''<br>''citizen'' || '''tid'''<br>''sibling'' |- !row=1| '''u''' = 4 |'''tub'''<br>''arm'' || '''mur'''<br>''moon'' || '''jub'''<br>''day'' || '''mus'''<br>''stairs'' || '''tum'''<br>''cell'' || '''dub'''<br>''minister'' || '''fub'''<br>''branch'' || '''sum'''<br>''bed''||'''dut'''<br>''gentleperson'' || '''tud'''<br>''child'' |- !row=1| '''yo''' = 5 |'''tyob'''<br>''leg'' || || '''jyob*'''<br>''hour'' || || || || '''fyob'''<br>''root'' || || || '''tyod'''<br>''people'' |} ::: <small>* The palatal glide '''y''' in these words, which follows a palatal '''j''' is hard to pronounce, so the '''y''' is replaced with a '''w''', giving '''jwob''', '''jwab''', and '''jweb'''.</small> ==== Second-level Ordinal Scaling ==== :: A second-level hierarchy of scalar words can be creating by adding an ordinal vowel immediately after a word's stem vowel. ::: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Second-level Ordinal Scaling |- ! '''mi...p''' !! '''me...p''' !! '''tu...b''' !! '''tyo...b'''!! '''ma...f''' !! '''me...g''' !! '''do...b''' |- | '''mip'''<br>''river'' || '''mep'''<br>''way'' || '''tub'''<br>''arm'' || '''tyob'''<br>''leg'' || '''maf'''<br>''cloud'' || '''meg'''<br>''stone'' || '''dob'''<br>''state'' |- | '''mi<u>a</u>p'''<br>''stream'' || '''meap'''<br>''road'' || '''tuab'''<br>''shoulder'' || '''tyoab'''<br>''hip''|| '''maaf'''<br>''stratus'' || '''meag'''<br>''marble'' || '''doab'''...''fatherland'' |- | '''mi<u>e</u>p'''<br>''brook'' || '''meep'''<br>''path'' || '''tueb'''<br>''upper arm'' || '''tyoeb'''<br>''thigh''|| '''maef'''<br>''cumulus'' || '''meeg'''<br>''slate'' || '''doeb'''<br>''province, state'' |- | '''mi<u>i</u>p'''<br>''rivulet'' || '''meip'''<br>''trail'' || '''tuib'''<br>''elbow'' || '''tyoib'''<br>''knee''|| '''maif'''<br>''stratocumulus'' || '''meig'''<br>''granite'' || '''doib'''<br>''county, shire'' |- | '''mi<u>u</u>p'''<br>''torrent'' || '''meup'''<br>''track'' || '''tuub'''<br>''forearm'' || '''tyoub'''<br>''shin''|| '''mauf'''<br>''cumulonimbus'' || '''meug'''<br>''clay, dough'' || '''doub'''<br>''district'' |- | '''mi<u>yo</u>p'''<br>''trickle'' || || '''tuyob'''<br>''wrist'' || '''tyoyob'''<br>''ankle''||'''mayof'''<br>''nimbostatus'' || '''meyog'''<br>''china'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>ya</u>b'''<br>''hand'' || '''tyoyab'''<br>''foot''||'''mayaf'''<br>''altostratus'' || '''meyag'''<br>''chalk'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>ye</u>b'''<br>''fist'' || '''tyoyeb'''<br>''heel''|| '''mayef'''<br>''altocumulus'' || '''meyeg'''<br>''limestone'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>yi</u>b'''<br>''palm'' || '''tyoyib'''<br>''sole''|| '''mayif'''<br>''cirrus'' || '''meyig'''<br>''alabaster'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>yu</u>b'''<br>''finger'' || '''tyoyub'''<br>''toe''|| '''mayuf'''<br>''cirrostratus'' || '''meyug'''<br>''gypsum''|| |- | || || '''tu<u>lo</u>b'''<br>''fingernail'' || '''tyolob'''<br>''toenail''||'''malof'''<br>''cirrocumulus'' || |} ==== Third-level Ordinal Scaling ==== ::: A third-level hierarchy can be created by prefixing an ordinal number vowel to the word. ::: Example: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Third-level Ordinal Scaling |- ! '''tuyub'''....''finger'' |- | '''<u>a</u>tuyub'''....''thumb'' |- | '''<u>e</u>tuyub'''....''index'' |- | '''<u>i</u>tuyub'''....''middle finger'' |- | '''<u>u</u>tuyub'''....''ring finger'' |- | '''<u>yo</u>tuyub'''....''pinky'' |} ::: So, to sum up, we have: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:6.4em; font-size:smaller" |+ Summary of Scaling |- ! '''t...b''' !! '''tob''' = ''human being'' |- | FIRST-LEVEL || '''tub'''....''arm'' |- | SECOND-LEVEL || '''tuyub'''....''finger'' |- | THIRD-LEVEL || '''atuyub'''....''thumb'' |} ==== Scaling with Prefixed Numbering ==== ::: We can also obtain a very convenient classification for new words by prefixing an ordinal vowel even though there is no first-level or second-level numbering. In this case, the first level usually begins with '''a'''. ::: Example: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Prefix Numbering |- ! align=left | NUMBER || '''dob'''....''state'' !! '''deb'''....''leader'' !! '''mez'''....''gem'' !! '''mer'''....''planet'' || '''maf'''....''cloud'' || '''sagtun'''....''mathematics'' |- ! 1 | '''<u>a</u>dob'''....''empire'' || '''adeb'''....''emperor'' || '''amez'''....''diamond'' || '''Amer'''....''Mercury'' || '''amaf'''....''nimbus'' || '''asagtun'''....''arithmetic'' |- ! 2 | '''<u>e</u>dob'''....''kingdom'' || '''edeb'''....''king'' || '''emez'''....''topaz'' || '''Emer'''....''Venus'' || '''emaf'''....''stratus'' || '''esagtun'''....''geometry'' |- ! 3 | '''<u>i</u>dob'''....''principality'' || '''ideb'''....''prince'' || '''imez'''....''ruby'' || '''Imer'''....''Earth'' || '''imaf'''....''nimbostatus'' || '''isagtun'''....''algebra'' |- ! 4 | '''<u>u</u>dob'''....''duchy'' || '''udeb'''....''duke'' || '''umez'''....''emerald'' ||'''Umer'''....''Mars'' || '''umaf'''....''cumulus'' || '''usagtun'''....''trigonometry'' |- ! 5 | '''<u>yo</u>dob'''....''marquisate'' || '''yodeb'''....''marquis'' || '''yomez'''....''saphire'' || '''Yomer'''....''Jupiter'' || '''yomaf'''....''cumulostatus'' || '''yosagtun'''....''calculus'' |- ! 6 | '''<u>ya</u>dob'''....''county'' || '''yadeb'''....''count'' || '''yamez'''....''lapis lazuli'' || '''Yamer'''....''Saturn'' || '''yamaf'''....''stratocumulus'' || |- ! 7 | '''<u>ye</u>dob'''....''dominion'' || '''yedeb'''....''lord'' || '''yemez'''....''amthyst'' || '''Yemer'''....''Uranus'' || '''yemaf'''....''altocumulus'' || |- ! 8 | '''<u>yi</u>dob'''....''viscounty'' || '''yideb'''....''viscount'' || '''yimez'''....''amber'' ||'''Yimer'''....''Pluto'' || '''yimaf'''....''altostratus'' || |- ! 9 | '''<u>yu</u>dob'''....''barony'' || '''yudeb'''....''baron'' || '''yumez'''....''topaz'' || || '''yumaf'''....''cirrocumulus'' || |- ! 10 | '''<u>alo</u>dob'''....''tribe'' || '''alodeb'''....''tribal chief'' || '''alomez'''....''opal'' || || '''alomaf'''....''cirrus'' || |} === Rule #4: Overlapping === : When combining two words, if the generic (final) consonant of the first word is the same as the classifier (first) consonant of the second word, the generic consonant of the determining word is dropped. This results in '''''overlapping''''' or a '''''portmanteau'''''. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Overlapping in Compounds |- ! First Word !! Second Word !! Portmanteau |- | '''dom'''....''city'' || '''mep'''....''road'' || '''domep'''....''boulevard'' |- | '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''teub'''....''mouth'' || '''pateub'''....''beak'' |- | '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''patub'''....''wing'' |- | '''teupib'''....''tooth'' || '''byok'''....''pain'' || '''teypibyok'''....''toothache'' |} : In some cases, this type of overlapping can cause ambiguity, and is therefore avoided. === Rule #5: Adding Ordinal Vowels === : When forming a compound word with the words of a same family of terms, if the ordinal vowel is an '''o''', replace it with the ordinal vowel of the determinant word. : Examples: ::* '''edob'''....''kingdom'' -> '''deb'''....''chief'' -> '''edeb'''....''monarch'' ('''edweb'''....''king'', '''edeyb'''....''queen'') ::* '''udob'''....''principality'' -> '''deb'''....''chief'' -> '''udeb'''....''prince'' ('''udweb'''....''prince'', '''udeyb'''....''princess'') : By contrast, if the two words are already ordered, the vowel of the determinant (first word) is inserted between the ordinal vowel of the determined (second) word and the generic (final) consonant: : Examples: : '''mil'''....''water'' + '''mal'''....''air'' -> '''mial'''....''vapor, steam'' === Rule #6: Swapping Generic Consonants === : When the generic (final) consonant of a base word is replaced by that of another base word, the entire family of the latter undergoes the transformation by the new generic consonant. : Example: <b>to<u>b</u></b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#x21D8;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<b>-b</b> = <i>organism</i>) (<b>t-</b> = <i>human</i>)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &rArr;&nbsp;&nbsp; <b>tof</b>....<i>clothing, apparel</i> (<b>n-</b> = <i>commercial</i>)&nbsp;&nbsp; &rArr;&nbsp;&nbsp; <b>nof</b>....<i>cloth, fabric</i> <b>no<u>f</u></b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#x21D7;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<b>-f</b> = <i>cloth</i>) {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Swapping Generic Consonants |- ! Base Word 1 !! Base Word 2 !! Derived Word |- | '''tob'''....''human'' || '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''tov'''....''lingerie'' |- | '''tab'''....''body'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''taf'''....''suit'' |- | '''teb'''....''head'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tef'''....''hat'' |- | '''tib'''....''trunk'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tif'''....''vest'' |- | '''tyoyab'''....''foot'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tyoyaf'''....''shoe'' |- | '''tyoyab'''....''foot'' || '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''tyoyav'''....''sock'' |- | '''tuyab'''....''hand'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tuyaf'''....''glove'' |- | '''doob'''^*....''nation'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''doof'''....''flag'' |- | '''taob'''^*....''flesh'' || '''tol'''....''food'' || '''taol'''....''meat'' |} :<small>* This is a derived, not base, word, but the principle holds.</small> === Rule #7: Marking Words for Gender === : Words in Mirad are neutral with respect to gender, but specifically masculine or feminine gender can be marked in nouns and pronouns with the use of the masculine infix '''w''' and the feminine infix '''y'''. If the noun or pronoun is animate, then gender can marked. If the noun or pronoun is inanimate, then it can be marked for predominate use by or reference to a male or female. ::* To make a neutral animate noun or pronoun specifically male, precede the ordinal (stem) vowel with '''w'''. ::* To make a neutral animate noun or pronoun specifically female, follow the ordinal (stem) vowel with '''y'''. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Marking Animate Nouns for Gender |- ! Gender-Neutral !! Male !! Female |- | '''tob'''....''human being'' || '''twob'''....''man'' || '''toyb'''....''woman'' |- | '''tobet'''....''young person'' || '''twobet'''....''boy'' || '''toybet'''....''girl'' |- | '''ted'''....''parent'' || '''twed'''....''father'' || '''teyd'''....''mother'' |- | '''it'''....''he/she/it'' || '''wit'''....''he'' || '''iyt'''....''she'' |- | '''apat'''....''cock'' || '''apwat'''....''rooster'' || '''apayt'''....''hen'' |- | '''toob'''....''gender'' || '''twoob'''....''male'' || '''tooyb'''....''female'' |} ::* Inanimate objects, such as items of clothing or body pats, can be "feminized" in a similar way. In such a case, the feminized form refers to an object that is for women, rather than men, eg.: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Making Inanimate Objects Female-related |- ! Male-oriented or Neutral !! Female-oriented |- | '''taf'''....''suit'' || '''tayf'''....''dress'' |- | '''tyoyav'''....''sock'' || '''tyoyayv'''....''stockings'' |- | '''tiav'''....''shirt'' || '''tiayv'''....''blouse'' |} ::* Some body parts can be marked for maleness or femaleness: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Body Parts Genderized |- ! Neutral !! Male-oriented !! Female-oriented |- | '''tilab'''....''breast'' || '''twilab'''....''male breast'' || '''tilayb'''....''female breast'' |- | || '''twiyib'''....''testicals'' || '''tiyiyb'''....''ovary'' |- | '''tiyub'''....''sexual organ'' || '''twiyub'''....''penis'' || '''tiyuyb'''....''vagina'' |} ::* In nouns that end in '''-ut''', the agentive suffix meaning ''-er, one who...'', the nouns can be feminized by changing '''-ut''' to '''-uyt''', eg. '''dezut'''....''actor'' -> '''dezuyt'''....''actress''. Because the stem of such words is often a verb, prefixing '''-ut''' with '''w''' to make it specifically male is normally not done, because the '''w''' can sometimes be confused with the passive voice marker. For this reason, a word like '''dezut''' can mean ''actor'' of neutral or male gender. ::* Animate nouns having the ending '''-et''' (smaller version of some person), are genderized by adding '''w''' or '''y''' to the semantic base of the word, eg. '''tobet'''....''child, youth'' -> '''toybet'''....''girl'' or '''twobet'''....''boy''. === Rule #8: Deriving Words with Geo-specific Vowels === : A series of related words can be derived from a Group 1 base word by replacing the ordinal vowel with one of the following vowels, which have certain specific geographic meanings. : Geo-specific Vowels: <div style="background: lightyellow"> ::* '''o'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''outer space, abstract object, initial stuff''' ::* '''a'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''sky, air, gas''' ::* '''e'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''land, soil, solid''' ::* '''i'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''sea, water, liquid''' ::* '''u'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''underground, mineral, concrete object, other''' </div> :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Deriving Words with Geo-specific Vowels |- ! !!'''m...p''' !! '''m...m''' !! '''d...p''' !! '''p...t''' !! '''m...l''' |- ! Space | '''mop'''....''orbit'' || '''mom'''....''space'' || '''dop'''....''military'' || '''pot'''....||'''mol'''....''nature'' |- ! Sky | '''map'''....''wind'' || '''mam'''....''sky'' || '''dap'''....''air force'' || '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''mal'''....''air'' |- ! Land | '''mep'''....''road''|| '''mem'''....''land''|| '''dep'''....''army'' || '''pet'''....''land animal'' || '''mel'''....''soil'' |- ! Water | '''mip'''....''river''|| '''mim'''....''sea''|| '''dip'''....''marine force'' || '''pit'''....''fish'' || '''mil'''....''water'' |- ! Underground (or other) | '''mup'''....''tunnel''|| '''mum'''....''underground'' || || || '''mul'''....''stuff'' |} : This vowel codification also allows generating other categories of words by infixing, just before the generic (final) consonant, a vowel having the value that is attributed to it in Rule #9. This creates "hybrid" nouns. See the chapter on [[Mirad Grammar/Hybrids|Hybrids]] for more on this subject. :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Hybrid nouns |- ! First-level Derivation !! + Geospecific Vowel !! Second-level Derivation |- | '''pet'''....''land animal'' || '''i'''....''water, sea''|| '''pe<u>i</u>t'''....''aquatic mammal'' |- | '''pelt'''....''insect'' || '''a'''....''air, sky''|| '''pel<u>a</u>t'''....''flying insect'' |- | '''mel'''....''soil'' || '''i'''....''water, sea'' || '''me<u>i</u>l'''....''mud'' |- | '''mil'''....''water'' || '''a'''....''air, gas'' || '''mi<u>a</u>l'''....''vapor'' |} === Rule #9: Deriving Words with Vectorial Vowels === : The rule for deriving words with vectorial ( = directional and positional) vowels starts with the following schema: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Vectorial Vowel Values |- | colspan=8 align=center | '''A''' |- | rowspan=6 align=center | '''U''' || || '''a'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''<u>a</u>''' || <big>↑</big><br>'''<u>ya</u>''' ||'''ya'''<br>↑<big></big> || || rowspan=6 align=center | '''I''' |- | '''u''' → || || '''<u>e</u>'''||'''<u>ye</u>''' || || → '''i''' |- | → '''<u>u</u>''' || ||'''e''' ||'''ye''' || || '''<u>i</u>''' → |- | → '''<u>yu</u>''' || || colspan=2 align=center| '''E''' || || '''<u>yi</u>''' → |- | '''yu''' → || || || || || → '''yi''' |- | || <big>↑</big><br>'''o''' || '''<u>o</u>'''<br>↑<big></big> || '''<u>yo</u>'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''yo''' || |- | colspan=8 align=center| '''O''' |} :: Explanation of the above chart: :::* If the vowel is capitalized, it indicates a '''''positional''''' value. It is used in its lowercase spelling as a prefix in Group I words. :::* The non-capitalized vowels (including y-glides) indicate '''''directional''''' values. :::* If the vowel is underlined, it means that it is placed '''''before''''' the classifier consonant (prefixed) in verbs and involves contact. :::* Otherwise, a normal vowel means that it is placed '''''after''''' the classifier consonant (infixed) in Group 2 words and involves free movement. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" border="0" |+ Explanation of the Vectorial Vowels Chart |- | '''A''' || position || || on, above, north || '''amer'''....''north'' |- | '''a''' || movement || (free) || ''on'' || '''baer'''....''lean'' |- | '''<u>a</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''onto''||'''aber'''....''put on'' |- | '''ya''' || movement || (free) || ''up, ascend''|| '''byaer'''....''lift'' |- | '''<u>ya</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''up, get up, set up''|| '''yaber'''....''raise'' |- | '''O''' || position || || under, lower, south|| '''omer'''....''south'' |- | '''o''' || movement || (free) || ''off''|| '''boer'''....''hang'' |- | '''<u>o</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''on the bottom of, underneath''|| '''oper'''....''get off'' |- | '''yo''' || movement || (free) || ''down''|| '''pyoser'''....''fall'' |- | '''<u>yo</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''fall''|| '''yoper'''....''rise'' |- | '''U''' || position || || left, west|| '''umer'''....''west'' |- | '''u''' || movement || (free) || ''move toward the center, come''|| '''uber'''....''send'' |- | '''<u>u</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''reach the center, arrive''|| '''pyuer'''....''reach'' |- | '''yu''' || movement || (free) || ''near, approach''|| '''yuber'''....''approach'' |- | '''<u>yu</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''near, reach''|| '''byuser'''....''touch'' |- | '''I''' || position || || right, east|| '''imer'''....''east'' |- | '''i''' || movement || (free) || ''from the center out, go away''|| '''pier'''....''go away'' |- | '''<u>i</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from the center out, leave''|| '''iper'''....''leave'' |- | '''yi''' || movement || (free) || ''away, go far''|| '''yiper'''....''go far'' |- | '''<u>yi</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from afar, originate''|| '''pyiser'''....''originate'' |- | '''E''' || position || || center, equator|| '''emer'''....''equator'' |- | '''e''' || rest || || ''between''|| '''eb'''....''between'' |- | '''<u>e</u>''' || rest || || ''at, stay, hold''|| '''bexer'''....''hold'' |- | '''ye''' || movement || || ''in, into, enter''|| '''yeper'''....''enter'' |- | '''<u>ye</u>''' || ||(contact) || ''up against, strike''|| '''pyexer'''....''strike'' |} ==== Special value of certain vowels ==== : The prefixes '''a-''' or '''an-''' meaning ''one, sole, singular'': ::* '''aot'''....''person, individual'' ::* '''anota'''....''alone, solitary'' ::* '''anay'''....''only'' ::* '''aun'''....''unit'' : The prefixes '''ya-''' or '''yan-''' meaning ''collection, plural'': ::* '''yat'''....''we, us'' ::* '''yanot'''....''constituent'' ::* '''yanota'''....''communal'' ::* '''yanotyan'''....''community'' ::* '''yan'''....''together'' : Also, the prefix '''yan-''' meaning ''together'' contrasts with '''yon-'''....''apart''. ::* '''yon'''....''apart'' ::* '''yanota'''....''communal'' vs. '''yonota'''....''private'' ::* '''yanxer'''....''to combine'' vs. '''yonxer'''....''to separate'' === Rule #10: Deriving Words with Mnemonic Patterns === : Sometimes part of a derived word can serve as a mnemonic pattern for forming other words having some relationship or parallelism in meaning. : For example, the mnemonic '''eu''' pattern from the word for mouth, '''teud''' can be used to form many other words having an oral, acoustic, vocal, or sound-related meaning: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Mnemonic Pattern Derivation |- ! Pattern Word<br>'''teub'''....''mouth'' !! Classifier !! Generic |- | '''teud'''....''shout'' || '''t''' = human || '''d''' = communication |- | '''teuz'''....''voice'' || '''t''' = human || '''z''' = art |- | '''deuz'''....''song'' || '''d''' = communication || '''z''' = art |- | '''seuz'''....''tone'' || '''s''' = thing || '''z''' = art |- | '''seux'''....''sound'' || '''s''' = thing || '''x''' = action |- | '''xeus'''....''noise'' || '''x''' = action || '''s''' = thing |- | '''teuf'''....''muzzle'' || '''t''' = human || '''f''' = apparel |- | '''teuv'''....''mask'' || '''t''' = human || '''v''' = linen |- | '''teus'''....''taste''|| '''t''' = human || '''s''' = thing |- | '''deup'''....''rhythm''|| '''d''' = communication || '''p''' = ''motion'' |} {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ More Mnemonic Pattern Derivations |- ! Pattern Word<br>'''teab'''....''eye'' !! '''(t)ea-''' = ''see'' !! Generic |- | '''teaper'''....''visit'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''go'' |- | '''teader'''....''witness'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''say'' |- | '''teaxer'''....''look'' || " " " || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teaser'''....''seem'' || " " " || '''s''' = ''be'' |- | '''teater'''....''see'' || " " " || '''t''' = ''know'' |- | '''keaxer'''....''scan'' || '''ke-''' = ''seek'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''vyaleaxer'''....''check'' || '''vyal-''' = ''certain''|| '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''yoneater'''....''distinguish'' || '''yon-''' = ''apart''|| '''t''' = ''know'' |- | '''beaxer'''....''guard'' || '''be-''' = ''hold'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teatier'''....''perceive'' || || '''-i-''' = subject-directed |- | '''teatuer'''....''show'' || || '''-u-''' = object-directed |- ! Pattern Word<br>'''teeb'''....''ear'' !! '''(t)ee-''' = ''hear'' !! Generic |- | '''teeper'''....''attend'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''go'' |- | '''teeder'''....''testify'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''say'' |- | '''teexer'''....''listen'' || " " " || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teeser'''....''sound (like)'' || " " " || '''s''' = ''be'' |- | '''teeter'''....''hear'' || " " " || '''t''' = ''know'' |- | '''keexer'''....''scan (acoustically)'' || '''ke-''' = ''seek'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''koteexer'''....''snoop on'' || '''ko-''' = ''hide'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''vyaleexer'''....''sound out'' || '''vyal-''' = certain || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teetier'''....''get wind of'' || || '''-i-''' = subject-directed |- | '''teetuer'''....''make heard'' || || '''-u-''' = object-directed |- | '''zyateetuer'''....''rumor'' || '''zya-''' = ''all around'' || '''-u-''' = objected-directed |} : A syllable of a long compound can be suppressed as long as it does not cause ambiguity or confusion. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Shortening Long Compounds |- ! Word 1 !! Word 2 !! Long Compound !! Shortened Compound |- | '''ekpet'''....''horse'' || '''teuder'''....''make a noise'' || *'''ekpeteuder''' || '''ekpeder'''....''neigh'' |- | '''serpyet'''....''snake'' || '''teuder'''....''make a noise'' || *'''serpyeteuder''' || '''sepyeder'''....''hiss'' |- | '''vifeb'''....''grape'' || '''il'''....''liquid'' || *'''vifebil'''....''grape juice'' || '''vifil'''....''wine'' |- | '''povob'''....''grain'' || '''il'''....''liquid'' || *'''povobil''' || '''povil'''....''beer'' |} : Sometimes, the last syllable of a compound or last letters of a word will give birth to a new stubs whose derivations, through the application of this rule, will not be long. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ From Full Words to Stubs |- ! Compound !! New Stub !! Derivation |- | '''tilabil'''....''breast milk'' || '''bil'''....''milk''|| '''bilyug'''....''butter'' |- | '''fauf'''....''log'' || '''-uf'''....(stub suffix for types of) ''cylinder''|| '''muf'''....''rod, stick'' |- | '''zyeg'''....''hole'' || '''-yeg'''....(stub suffix for types of) ''hole'', ''hollow thing''|| '''mufyeg'''....''pipe'' |} : The clipped word '''bil''' now gives rise to other compounds: ::* '''bilyig'''....''cheese'' ::* '''bilyigem'''....''cheese factory'' ::* '''bilyug'''....''butter'' ::* '''bilyugyena'''....''butter-like'' : The word '''mufyeg''' (Lit: hollow stick) means '''pipe, reed, cylinder''' === Rule #11: Deriving Nuanced Words Phonetically === : Words which follow Rule #11 are those that are connected by a similarity of meaning or quality. These words differ by nuances and it is phonetic nuances that govern their formation. : These nuances are obtained by: :* Addition of a subordinal vowel of the same type as the ordinal vowel. :: These vowels are: ::: '''a''' for '''a''' and '''ya''' ::: '''e''' for '''e''' and '''ye''' ::: '''i''' for '''i''' and '''yi''' ::: '''o''' for '''o''' and '''yo''' ::: '''u''' for '''u''' and '''yu''' :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Creating Nuances with a Doubled Vowel |- ! Word !! Nuanced Derivation |- | '''nad'''....''line'' || '''naad'''....''rail'' |- | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''doob'''....''nation'' |- | '''vyab'''....''rule'' || '''vyayab'''....''system'' |- | '''boka'''....''sick'' || '''booka'''....''tired'' |- | '''nog'''....''degree'' || '''noog'''....''phase'' |- | '''bil'''....''milk'' || '''biil'''....''juice'' |} :* Post-y-gliding the ordinal vowel or subordinal vowel, to produce a nuance of '''''less''''' intensity: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Deintensification with Post-y-gliding |- ! Word !! Mitigated Derivation |- | '''ifer'''....''love'' || '''iyfer'''....''like'' |- | '''iva'''....''happy'' || '''iyva'''....''glad'' |- | '''zyutom'''....''tower'' || '''zyutoym'''....''turret'' |- | '''ama'''....''hot'' || '''ayma'''....''warm'' |- | '''oma'''....''cold'' || '''oyma'''....''cool'' |} :* Pre-y-gliding the ordinal vowel or subordinal vowel, to produce a nuance of '''''greater''''' intensity: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Intensification with Pre-y-Gliding |- ! Word !! Enhanced Derivation |- | '''pot'''....''wild animal'' || '''pyot'''....''predator animal'' |- | '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''pyat'''....''bird of prey'' |- | '''tod'''....''family'' || '''tyod'''....''people'' |- | '''oma'''....''cold'' || '''yoma'''....''frozen'' |- | '''nuxer'''....''pay'' || '''nyuxer'''....''deliver'' |- | '''nexer'''....''save'' || '''nyexer'''....''store'' |} :* Following the ordinal vowel or the consonant with the intensifying liquid '''l''' or the further intensifying liquid '''r''': {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Intensification with L and R |- ! Word !! L-Intensitifed || R-Intensified |- | '''ifer'''....''love'' || '''ifler'''....''be fond of'' || '''ifrer'''....''adore'' |- | '''iva'''....''happy'' || '''ivla'''....''content'' || '''ivra'''....''delighted'' |- | '''vaa'''....''affirmative'' || '''vlaa'''....''sure'' || '''vraa'''....''indubitable'' |- | '''aga'''....''big'' || '''agla'''....''huge'' || '''agra'''....''immense'' |- | '''ga'''....''more'' || '''gala'''....''multiple'' || '''gara'''....''exponential'' |- | '''baer'''....''lean on'' || '''baler'''....''press'' || '''barer'''....''crush'' |- | '''yexer'''....''work'' || '''yexler'''....''labor'' || '''yexrer'''....''toil, slave'' |- | '''yixer'''....''use'' || '''yixler'''....''hire'' || '''yixrer'''....''exploit'' |} :* Adding consonants other than '''l''' or '''r''' as the generic consonant: : Some words have so many nuanced varieties that other letters like '''t''', '''f''', '''s''', '''k''', and '''z''' are used, eg.: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Creating Nuances with Other Consonants |- ! Word !! Nuanced Derivation |- | '''fia'''....''good'' || '''fika'''....''perfect''<br>'''fira'''....''excellent'' |- | '''fua'''....''bad'' || '''futa'''....''wicked''<br>'''fura'''....''rotten'' |- | '''gea'''....''equal'' || '''geta'''....''identical''<br>'''gela'''....''alike'' |- | '''vyaa'''....''true'' || '''vyaka'''....''correct''<br>'''vyama'''....''real'' |- | '''vyoa'''....''false'' || '''vyoka'''....''incorrect''<br>'''vyoma'''....''fake'' |- | '''yiga'''....''hard'' || '''yigza'''....''sour''<br>'''yigla'''....''brusk''<br>'''yigra'''....''brutal'' |- | '''yuga'''....''soft'' || '''yugfa'''....''smooth''<br>'''yugla'''....''tender''<br>'''yugra'''....''mild'' |} :* Transforming the generic consonant from voiced to unvoiced or vice versa: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Voicing or Devoicing Consonants for Nuance |- ! Word !! Nuanced Derivation |- | '''nab'''....''row'' || '''nap'''....''order'' |- | '''vyava'''....''just'' || '''vyafa'''....''precise'' |- | '''jwab'''....''minute'' || '''jwap'''....''moment'' |- | '''jweb'''....''second'' || '''jwep'''....''instant'' |- | '''tab'''....''body'' || '''tap'''....''physique'' |- | '''tob'''....''person'' || '''top'''....''soul, animus'' |- | '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' |- | '''naz'''....''value'' || '''nas'''....''money'' |- | '''nag'''....''dimension'' || '''nak'''...''unit of measurement'' |} == Technical Nomenclature == : The sections below describe how techical vocabulary is developed in Mirad. In most cases, there are common, ordinary words, but these are supplemented with less common, technical terms that are usually somehow based on an international nomenclature standard. Typically, the common words share a stem, which is prefixed with ordinal syllables that group words of the basis of some like features. === Zoological Nomenclature === {{status|100%}} [[File:Animal diversity.jpg|thumb|]] : The names of animals are formed in a systematic way. ==== Base Names ==== : First of all, the base stem of all animal names (except human) begin with '''p''' (mobile) and end with '''t''' (sentient), the idea being that animals are moving, sentient creatures. : The vowels in the stem are geo-specific and indicate whether the animal inhabits the air ('''a'''), water ('''i'''), land ('''e'''), or a hybrid of these; whether it is wild ('''o'''), tame, or predatory ('''y'''); and a few other features, as shown in the chart below: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Animal Base Names in Geo-specific Terms |- ! Type !! Air = a !! Water = i !! Land = e !! Anywhere = o |- valign=top !row=1| Ordinary |'''pat'''....''bird'' || '''pit'''....''fish'' || '''pet'''....''domestic land animal'' || '''pot'''....''wild animal'' |- valign=top !row=1| Predatory |'''pyat'''....''raptor'' || '''pyit'''....''predatory fish'' || '''pyet'''....''reptile'' ||'''pyot'''....''predatory animal'' |- valign=top !row=1| Hybrid |'''piat'''....''waterfowl''<br>'''pelat'''....''flying insect''<br>'''paet'''....''flightless bird'' ||'''piit'''....''crustacean''<br>'''pilt'''....''marine invertebrate''<br>'''peit'''....''mammalian fish''<br>'''pyeit'''....''mollusk''|| '''payet'''....''flying reptile''<br>'''piyet'''....''batracian''<br>'''peyet'''....''worm''<br>'''pelt'''....''insect'' ||'''piot'''....''aquatic mammal'' |} ==== Derived Names ==== : The names of different species of animals are derived by prefixing syllables to the base names that are obtained from the Latin names in the [https://www.itis.gov/| Linnaean taxonomy]. In that taxonomy, all of the dog or dog-like animal species are ranked under the family name '''Canidae''' (''canids''). The family prefix is derived by taking the first syllable and spelling it in Mirad as it is pronounced in Latin. ''Ca'' in Latin is pronounced '''ka'''. See the table below in which Latin spellings are given in Mirad. In this family, one dog species is domestic, Canis familiaris, while all the others are wild or predatory. So, to derive the word for the common domesticated dog, we would affix the family taxonomic prefix '''ka''' to the base name for domestic land animal '''pet''', yielding '''kapet''' (''dog''). All other members of the dog family end in '''pot''' (feral animal) or '''pyot''' (predatory animal). The taxonomic prefix must contain at least one consonant and one vowel. If not, the prefix derived from the Latin taxon is extended until that rule is met. The taxonomic syllables are prefixed to the base animal type name in reverse order of the Linnaean; for example, ''prairie dog'' (which is not a dog, but a rodent) is rendered by '''ci³xi²ro¹pot''' from '''<u>Ro</u>¹dentia <u>Sci</u>²uridae <u>Cy</u>³nomys''', where '''pot''' is the basic animal type ''wild animal''. All rodents have the taxonomic syllable '''ro''' from the Latin "order" taxon ''Rodentia'', while all squirrel names will have the syllable '''xi''' from a pronunciation spelling of the Latin "family" taxon ''<u>Sci</u>uridae'' ('''<u>xi</u>uriday'''). The following shows the system as it is applied to the dog family: :: <u>Ca</u>nidae (''dog family'') > ::: '''<u>ka</u>pet'''...''the common domestic dog'' (only one species, ''Canis familiaris'') ::: '''<u>ka</u>pot'''...''wild dog'' ::: '''<u>ka</u>pyot'''...''predatory dog'' : Species under '''kapyot''' are derived by taking the first syllables of the respective Latin binomial (and sometimes trinomial) species names: :: ''Canis <u>lu</u>pus'' > '''<u>lu</u>kapyot'''...''gray wolf (or just wolf)'' :: ''Canis <u>la</u>trans'' > '''<u>la</u>kapyot'''...''coyote, prairie wolf'' ::: ''Canis latrans <u>les</u>tes'' > '''<u>les</u>lakapyot'''...''mountain coyote'' :: ''Canis <u>au</u>rus'' > '''<u>aw</u>kapyot''' > ''jackal, golden jackal'' ::: ''Canis aurus <u>cur</u>ensis'' > '''<u>kur</u>awkapyot'''....''Indochinese jackal'' :: ''Canis <u>vul</u>pus'' > '''<u>vul</u>kapyot'''...''fox, red fox'' : If the taxonomic syllable ends in a vowel and precedes another syllable beginning with a vowel, the first taxonomic syllable is extended until it ends in a consonant. In the case of the Indochinese jackal, the base is '''awkapyot''' and the taxonomic syllable to be prefixed from ''curensis'' would normally be '''ku''', but it has to be extended to '''kur''' because the base begins in a vowel. : The conversion of Latin/Greek spellings to Mirad is governed by the following chart: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Latin/Greek - Mirad correspondences |- ! Latin/Greek Spelling !! Latin Sound !! Mirad Spelling !! Example |- | ''au'' || ''aw'' || '''aw''' || ''<u>au</u>rus''....'''aw-''' |- | ''eu'' || ''ew'' || '''ew''' || ''<u>eu</u>ropa''....'''ew-''' |- | ''ai''<br>''ae'' || ''ay'' || '''ay''' || ''<u>ae</u>gyptus''....'''ay-''' |- | ''ei'' <br> ''ey'' || ''ey'' || '''ey''' || ''Rh<u>ei</u>dae''....'''<u>ey</u>''' |- | ''oe'' || ''oy'' || '''oy''' || ''F<u>oe</u>niculum''....'''oy''' |- | ''ua'' || ''wa'' || '''wa''' || ''s<u>ua</u>vis''....'''s<u>wa</u>''' |- | ''ca/co/cu'' || ''ka/ko/ku'' || '''ka/ko/ku''' || ''<u>ca</u>nis''....'''<u>ka</u>''' |- | ''ce/ci/cy''' || ''che/chi/chi'' || '''ce/ci/cy''' || ''<u>cy</u>pris''....'''<u>ci</u>''' |- | ''y'' || ''i'' || '''i''' || ''c<u>y</u>pris''....'''<u>i</u>''' |- | ''g''' || ''g'' || '''g''' || ''<u>Ge</u>ococcyx''/''<u>Ga</u>stropoda''....'''<u>g</u>''' |- | ''ch'' || ''k'' || '''k''' || ''<u>Chi</u>roptera''....'''<u>ki</u>''' |- | ''ph'' || ''f'' || '''f''' ||''S<u>ph</u>yrapicus''....'''<u>f</u>''' |- | ''rh'' || ''r'' || '''r''' || ''Rh<u>ei</u>dae''....'''<u>ey</u>''' |- | ''x'' || ''ks'' || '''ks''' || ''Lo<u>x</u>odonta''....'''<u>ks</u>''' |- | ''qu'' || ''kw'' || '''kw''' || ''<u>Qu</u>ercus''....'''<u>kw</u>''' |- | ''j'' || ''y'' || '''j''' || ''<u>ju</u>lianus''....'''<u>ju</u>''' |- | ''sci'' || ''shi'' || '''xi''' || ''<u>Sci</u>uridae''....'''<u>xi</u>''' |- | ''th'' || ''t'' || '''t''' || ''<u>Th</u>unnus''....'''<u>t</u>''' |- | ''cci'' || ''ksi'' || '''ksi''' || ''Va<u>cc</u>inus''....'''<u>ksi</u>''' |} : Note that double consonants are counted as being two consonants in different syllables. So, for example, the taxonomic syllable for ''Cinnamomum'' would be '''cin'''. : The Latin letter ''j'' is represented in Mirad with '''j''' even though it is pronounced like a ''y''. This is for better recognizability. ==== Genderized and Other Forms ==== : Form the female of an animal by inserting a '''y''' before the '''t''' of the base adult name: ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kape<u>y</u>t'''....''bitch'' ::* '''vulkapyot'''....''fox'' ====> '''vulkapyo<u>y</u>t'''....''vixen'' : Form the specific male of an animal by inserting a '''w''' right after the '''p''' of the base adult name, unless the base name begins with '''py''' in which case the '''w''' is inserted just before the '''t''' of the base name: ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekp<u>w</u>et'''....''stallion'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbop<u>w</u>et'''....''ram'' ::* '''vulkapyot'''....''fox'' ====> '''vulkpyo<u>w</u>t'''....''dog fox'' : Form the gelded version of an animal by inserting an '''o''' after the ordinal vowel of the base male adult name: ::* '''bopet'''....''bovine'' ====> '''bopwe<u>o</u>t'''....''ox'' ::* '''gafapat'''....''cock'' ====> '''gafapwe<u>o</u>t'''....''capon'' : The offspring of an animal is formed by suffixing '''-ud''', the stub for '''tud'''....''child'': ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpet<u>ud</u>'''....''colt'' ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapet<u>ud</u>'''....''pup'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbopet<u>ud</u>'''....''lamb'' : The pet name of an animal is derived by suffixing '''-if''': ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapet<u>if</u>'''....''puppy'' ::* '''fepet'''....''cat'' ====> '''fepet<u>if</u>'''....''kitty'' : The diminutive of an animal is formed by suffixing '''-og''': ::* '''supet'''....''pig'' ====> '''supet<u>og</u>'''....''piggy'' ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpet<u>og</u>'''....''pony'' : Sometimes, the above derivations can be combined. The animal '''ekpet'''....''horse'' can serve as an example: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Derivations of Horse |- ! Variation !! Mirad Name !! English Name |- !row=1| Adult |'''ekpet'''||''horse'' |- !row=1| Male | '''ekpwet'''||''stallion'' |- !row=1| Female | '''ekpeyt'''||''mare'' |- !row=1| Offspring | '''ekpetud'''||''colt'' |- !row=1| Female Offspring | '''ekpetuyd'''||''filly'' |- !row=1| Small adult |'''ekpetog'''||''pony'' |- !row=1| Gelded | '''ekpweot'''||''gelding'' |} ==== Animal Sounds ==== : The sound that an animal makes can be derived by substituting the '''t''' of the base name with '''d''', the letter associated with communication. The verb form ends in '''-der''': ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpeder'''....''to neigh'' ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapeder'''....''to bark'' ::* '''pat'''....''bird'' ====> '''pader'''....''to tweet, chirp'' ::* '''serpyet'''....''snake'' ====> '''serpyeder'''....''to hiss'' : A collection of animals can be derived by suffixing '''-yan''' or '''-nyan''': ::* '''lepanfepyot'''....''lion'' ====> '''lepanfepyotyan'''....''a pride of lions'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbopetyan'''....''a herd of sheep'' ::* '''pit'''....''fish'' ====> '''pityan'''....''a school of fish'' : Motions that animals make can be derived by replacing the final '''t''' of the base name with '''-per'''....''to go'': ::* '''serpyet'''....''snake'' ====> '''serpeper'''....''to slither'' ::* '''lapet'''....''rabbit'' ====> '''lapeper'''....''to hop'' ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpeper'''....''to gallop'' : The food name associated with an animal can be derived by ending the animal or animal part name in '''l''' (a stub for '''tel''', meaning ''food''): ::* '''supet'''....''pig'' ====> '''supel'''....''pork'' ::* '''supetyob'''....''hog leg'' ====> '''supetyol'''....''ham'' ::* '''bopet'''....''steer'' ====> '''bopel'''....''beef'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbopel'''....''mutton'' ::* '''bopetud'''....''calf'' ====> '''bopetul'''....''veal'' ::* '''appelat'''....''bee'' ====> '''appelatel'''....''honey'' : The habitats of animals are formed by suffixing '''-am'''....''house'', '''-um'''....''cage'', etc. to the base name: ::* '''supet'''....''pig'' ====> '''supetam'''....''pigsty'' ::* '''gafapayt'''....''chicken'' ====> '''gafapaytam'''....''chicken coop'' ::* '''lepanfepyot'''....''lion'' ====> '''lepanfepyotam'''....''lion's den'' ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapetam'''....''doghouse'' ::* '''forpelt'''....''ant'' ====> '''forpeltam'''....''anthill'' ::* '''appelat'''....''bee'' ====> '''appelatam'''....''bee hive'' ::* '''pat'''....''bird'' ====> '''patum'''....''birdcage'', '''patsum'''....''nest'', '''patyanam'''...''aviary'' ::* '''pot'''....''wild animal'' ====> '''potam'''....''lair'' ==== Dog Breeds ==== [[File:The dog book - a popular history of the dog, with practical information as to care and management of house, kennel, and exhibition dogs, and descriptions of all the important breeds (1909) (20785715825).jpg|thumb|]] : Dog breeds are created by prefixing elements to '''kapet'''....''dog'' that are based on the official World Canine Organization dog breed site [[https://www.fci.be/en/nomenclature/]]. This site organizes dog breeds by groups, sections, subsections, and country ownership. : The base of the dog breed name is '''kapet'''....''dog''. The group number is converted to the lowercase alphabetic consonants ('''b''', '''c''', '''d''', etc.). The top or zeroth group is assigned to the ordinal vowel '''o''', so '''bokepet''' is a group category for sheepdogs and cattledogs. The sections underneath this group change the '''o'''....''zero'' to '''a'''....''one'', '''e'''....''two'', etc. The subsections below are enumerated with an initial ordinal vowel starting with '''a'''....''one'', '''e'''....''two'', etc. A particular breed is written as the country adjective representing the breed country of origin, followed a space, and the lowest section name preceded by the number of the country entry alphabetized. If there is only one entry of that country, no ordinal number is prefixed. : As an example: : To get the name for ''basset hound'': ::* Start with the word for dog: '''kapet'''. : This animal is in Group 6 for scent hounds and related breeds, so the 6th consonant in the Mirad alphabet is '''h'''. This is prefixed to '''kapet''', with an ordinal vowel representing the section the breed is in, starting with '''a''' for ''one''. The ''basset hound'' is in Section 1 for "scent hounds", so the prefix becomes '''ha-'''. ::* '''hakapet''' is a "scent hound" (not to be confused with '''ha kapet'''....''the dog''.). A basset hound is classified in subsection 1.3 as a "small-sized scent hound", so the ordinal vowel '''i'''.... ''three'' is prefixed: ::* '''ihakapet''' is a "small-sized scent hound" : A basset hound is the 1st small-sized scent hound entry under the country Great Britain, so the Mirad word '''a'''.... ''one'' is prefixed (with a '''w''' buffer glide when prefixed to a vowel) and the adjectival word for Great Britain, '''Gebaroma''' is placed in front, separated by a space: ::* '''Gebaroma awahikapet''' is a ''basset hound'', a dog breed name owned by Great Britain. The name can usually be abbreviated by dropping the country owner name, thus: '''awahikapet''' <gallery> </gallery> : Here is a partial representation of the hiararchy as obtained by the World Canine Organization (FCI) site. Other Mirad dog breed names can be created by consulting the site. Group 1 = '''<u>b</u>okapet'''....sheepdogs/cattledogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''b<u>a</u>kapet'''....sheepdogs ::::* Belgian only entry = '''Belima bakapet'''....''Belgian shepherd dog'' ::::* German only entry = '''Deuma bakapet'''....''German shepherd'' ::* Section 2 = '''bekapet'''....cattledogs except Swiss cattledogs ::::* Great Britain <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>e</u>bekapet'''....''Welsh corgi (Cardigan)'' Group 2 = '''<u>c</u>okapet'''....pinscher/schnauzer/Molossoid/Swiss Mountain-/Cattle Dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''c<u>a</u>kapet'''....pinscher/schnauzer type ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''c<u>e</u>kapet'''....Molossian type ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''c<u>i</u>kapet'''....''Swiss mountain/cattledogs'' Group 3 = '''<u>d</u>okapet'''....''terriers'' ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''d<u>a</u>kapet'''....large and medium-sized terriers ::::* Great Britain <u>9</u>th entry = '''Gebaroma <u>yu</u>dakapet'''....''Welsh terrier'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''d<u>a</u>kapet'''....small-sized terriers ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''d<u>e</u>kapet'''....bull type terriers ::::* Great Britain <u>3</u>rd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>i</u>dekapet'''....''Staffordshire bull terrier'' ::* Section <u>4</u> = '''d<u>a</u>kapet'''....toy terriers Group 4 = '''<u>f</u>okapet'''....<u>dachshunds</u> ::::* Germany only entry = '''fakapet'''....''dachshund'' Group 5 = '''<u>g</u>okapet'''....spitz and primitive types ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''g<u>a</u>kapet'''....nordic sledge dogs :::: USA <u>1</u>st entry = '''<u>a</u>gakapet'''....''Siberian husky'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''g<u>e</u>kapet'''....nordic hunting dogs ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''g<u>i</u>kapet'''....nordic watchdogs/herders ::* Section <u>4</u> = '''g<u>u</u>kapet'''....European spits ::* Section <u>5</u> = '''g<u>yo</u>kapet'''....Asian spitz and related breeds ::* Section <u>6</u> = '''g<u>ya</u>kapet'''....primitive types ::* Section <u>7</u> = '''g<u>ye</u>kapet'''....hunting dogs Group 6 = '''<u>h</u>okapet'''....scent hounds and related breeds ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''h<u>a</u>kapet'''....''scent hounds'' :::* Subsection 1.<u>1</u> = '''<u>a</u>hakapet'''....large-sized hounds ::::* USA <u>1</u>st entry = '''Usoma <u>aw</u>ahakapet'''....''American foxhound'' :::* Subsection 1.<u>2</u> = '''<u>e</u>hakapet'''....medium-sized hounds ::::* Great Britain only entry = '''Gebaroma ehakapet'''....''harrier'' :::* Subsection 1.<u>3</u> = '''<u>i</u>hakapet'''....small-sized hounds ::::* Great Britain <u>1</u>st entry = '''Gebaroma <u>aw</u>ihakapet'''....''basset hound'' ::::* Great Britain <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>ew</u>ihakapet'''....''beagle'' Group 7 = '''<u>j</u>okapet'''....pointing dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''j<u>a</u>kapet'''....''continental pointing dogs'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''j<u>e</u>kapet'''....''British and Irish pointers and setters'' Group 8 = '''<u>k</u>akapet'''....retrievers/flushing dogs/water dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''k<u>a</u>kapet'''....''retrievers'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''k<u>e</u>kapet'''....''flushing dogs'' ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''k<u>i</u>kapet'''....''water dogs'' Group 9 = '''<u>l</u>okapet'''....companion and toy dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''l<u>a</u>kapet'''....bichons ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''l<u>e</u>kapet'''....poodles ::::* France only entry = '''Ferama lekapet'''....''poodle'' ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''l<u>i</u>kapet'''....small Belgian dogs ::* Section <u>4</u> = '''l<u>u</u>kapet'''....hairless dogs ::* Section <u>5</u> = '''l<u>yo</u>kapet'''....Tibetan breeds ::::* Tibet <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Tibama <u>e</u>lekapet'''....''shih tzu'' ::* Section <u>6</u> = '''l<u>ya</u>kapet'''....Chihuahueno ::::* Mexico only entry = '''Mexuma lyakapet'''....''chihuahua'' ::* Section <u>7</u> = '''l<u>ye</u>kapet'''....English toy spaniels ::* Section <u>8</u> = '''l<u>yi</u>kapet'''....Japan Chin and Pekingese ::* Section <u>9</u> = '''l<u>yu</u>kapet'''....continental toy spaniel and others ::* Section <u>10</u> = '''l<u>alo</u>kapet'''....Kromforhl&auml;nder ::* Section <u>10</u> = '''l<u>ale</u>kapet'''....small Molossian type dogs Group 10 = '''<u>m</u>okapet'''....sight hounds ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''m<u>a</u>kapet'''....long-haired sighthounds ::::* Great Britain <u>1</u>st entry = '''Gebaroma <u>a</u>makapet'''....''greyhound'' ::::* Great Britain <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>e</u>makapet'''....''whippet'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''m<u>e</u>kapet'''....rough-haired sighthounds ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''m<u>i</u>kapet'''....short-haired sighthounds ==== Cat Breeds ==== : The names for cat breeds are generated from the CFA organization's alphabetical list of cat breeds (See [https://cfa.org/breeds/]. You take the first letters of the CFA name up to the first non-initial consonant, and convert them to lowercase. If the next breed on the list has the same letters, add a Mirad number (1=a, 2=e, 3=i, ...) to distinguish them. Now, end the word with the Mirad word for cat '''fepet'''. : This chart shows the process for the first few cat breeds in the CFA list: {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Creating Cat Breed Names |- ! CFA Name !! First Letters<br>Lowercase !! Number<br>If Any + fepet!! Mirad Name |- | ''<u>Am</u>erican Shorthair'' || '''am''' || '''a + fepet'''|| '''amafepet''' |- | ''<u>Am</u>erican Wirehair'' || '''am''' || '''e + fepet'''|| '''amefepet''' |- | ''<u>Bal</u>inese'' || '''bal''' || '''bal + fepet''' || '''balfepet''' |- | ''<u>Ben</u>gal'' || '''ben''' || '''ben + fepet''' || '''benfepet''' |} === Color Nomenclature === : The word for ''color'' in Mirad is '''volz''', which is mnemonically related to the word for ''flower'' ('''vos'''). The diminutive of ''color'' is '''voylz''', meaning ''tint, shade, hue''. : The names of common color adjectives in Mirad are based on a scale relating to the natural spectrum, with the first part of the word being the a number representing the spectrum order and the last half being the color stub '''-lza'''. The zeroth-color is no color, simple ''blank'', ''clear'', or ''transparent''. :: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Basic Color Words |- ! 0 - clear !! 1 - red !!2 - orange !!3 - yellow !!4 - green !! 5 - blue !! 6 - purple !! 7 - indigo |- |<br><br><br> ||bgcolor="#d30000"| ||bgcolor="#fc6600"| ||bgcolor="#fff200"| ||bgcolor="#3bb143"| ||bgcolor="#0018f9"| || bgcolor="#b200ed"| || bgcolor="#4b0082"| |- | '''olza''' || '''alza''' || '''elza''' || '''ilza''' || '''ulza''' || '''yolza''' || '''yalza''' || '''yelza''' |} : There are some other common colors: :: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Other Basic Color Words |- |bgcolor="white"|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; || '''malza'''....''white'' ||(Associated with '''man''' (''light'') |- |bgcolor="#7c4700"| &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|| '''melza'''....''brown'' ||(Associated with '''mel''' (''soil'') |- |bgcolor="#222021"| &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;||'''molza'''....''black'' ||(Associated with '''mon''' (''dark'') |- |bgcolor="#828282"| &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;||'''maolza'''....''gray'' ||(A blend of '''malza''' and '''molza''') |- |bgcolor="#fc0fc0"|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;||'''aolza'''....''pink'' ||(A blend of '''olza'''....''clear'' and '''malza'''....''red'') |} : All other colors are formed by prefixing a word or mnemonic word stub (usually flowers or fruits) to the basic color with hyphenation. For example: ::* '''mecirufeb-ulza'''....''lime green'' from '''mecirufeb'''....''lime fruit'' + '''ulza'''....''green'' ::* '''mim-yalza'''....''aquamarine'' from '''mim'''....''sea'' + '''yalza'''....''blue'' ::* '''licirufeb-ilza'''....''lemon yellow'' from '''licirufeb'''....''lemon'' + '''ilza'''....''yellow'' ::* '''salpyit-alza'''....''salmon red'' ::* '''magmef-alza'''....''firebrick red'' ::* '''mim-yalza'''....''sea blue, aquamarine'' : Shaded variants of color terms can be achieved in the following manner: ::# A "light" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''ylza''': '''uylza'''....''light green'' ::# A "-ish" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''lzyena''': '''ulzyena'''....''greenish'' ::# A "bright" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''lzayna''': '''ulzayna'''....''bright green'' ::# A "dark" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''lzoyna''': '''ulzoyna'''....''dark green'' : Shaded variants can also be created by prefixing adjectival components such as these: :* '''oz-'''....''-ish, light-'' :* '''az-'''....''bright-, dark-'' :* '''kyu-'''....''light-'' :* '''maz-'''....''bright-'' :* '''eyn-'''....''semi-'' etc. : Some hybrid colors can be created by mixing the ordinal vowel: ::* '''maolza'''....''gray'' from '''malza'''....''white'' and '''molza'''....''black'' ::* '''yaulza'''....''blue-green, cyan'' from '''yalza'''....''blue'' and '''ulza'''....''green'' ::* '''maelza'''....''beige'' from '''malza'''....''white'' and '''melza'''....''brown'' : Colors can be made into nouns by dropping the adjectival suffix '''-a''': ::* '''<u>Ulz</u> se via volz.'''....''<u>Green</u> is a beautiful color.'' ::* '''At gafe <u>yalzayn</u>.'''....''I prefer <u>dark blue</u>.'' : Colors can also be used to form verbs: ::* '''Iyta teobi <u>alzasa</u>.'''....''Her cheeks <u>turned red (= blushed)</u>.'' ::* '''His se fia <u>teubip malzaxus</u>.'''....''This is a good <u>teeth whitener</u>.'' ::* '''Eta teupibi <u>ilzaseye</u>.'''....''Your teeth are <u>yellowing</u>.'' ==== Rarely Used Colors ==== : The more exotic or rare colors can be expressed by the RAL number / 10 in the [[w:List_of_RAL_colors|Wikipedia Chart of RAL Colors]] expressed in Mirad + '''-lz'''. For example, the color ''golden yellow'' has the RAL number 1004. Divided by 10 yields the number 104 ('''ase''', in Mirad), thus, the color is named '''aselz'''. The adjectival form of this color is '''aselza'''. One advantage of this system is that the colors are grouped by nine classic colors represented by the thousands unit, then subdivided by up to 999 shades of those classic colors, although in practice, the number of shades belonging to each classic color is under 40. For that reason, the thousands unit is reduced to a hundreds unit in the formation of Mirad color names. ===== Skin colors ===== [[File:Coloured-family.jpg|thumb|]] : When a color refers specifically to skin tone, the prefix '''tayo(b)-''' is used. The final '''-b''' of '''tayob''' is dropped before a consonant or glide. The word for ''skin-color'' itself is '''tayovolz'''. Thus: ::* '''(tayo-)molzat'''....''black(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayo-)malzat'''....''white(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayo-)melzat'''....''brown(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)omalzat'''....''non-white(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)omolzat'''....''non-black(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)omelzat'''....''non-brown(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)eymolzat'''....''half-black(skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)eymalzat'''....''half-white(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayo-)maolzat'''....''mulatto, mixed-skinned person'' ::* '''(tayob)olzat'''....''albino'' ::* '''hyetayovolza'''....''of any skin-tone'' ::* '''hyatayovolzati'''....''people of all colors'' ::* '''Iyt se duhotayovolza?'''....''What skin color is she?'' ==== Hair Colors ==== : Hair colors are produced by suffixing the color to the word for hair, '''tayeb'''. The final '''-b''' of '''tayeb''' is dropped before a consonant or '''y'''. The word for ''hair color'' is '''tayevolz'''. ::* '''tayebalza'''....''red-headed, auburn'' ::** '''tayebalzayt'''....''an auburn female'' ::* '''tayemolza'''....''brunette'' ::* '''tayemelza'''....''brown-haired'' ::* '''tayebiylza'''....''blond'' ::* '''tayemaolza'''....''gray, gray-haired'' :::* '''It gwa tayemaolzaso.'''....''He will go gray early.'' ::* '''Duhotayevolza iyt se?'''....''What color hair is she?'' ==== Eye Colors ==== : Eye colors are expressed by the prefix '''tea(b)''' followed by the color. The word for ''eye color'' is '''teavolz'''. In the following examples, '''teab''' (''eye'') becomes '''tea''' before any consonants or glides: ::* '''teayolza'''....''blue-eyed'' ::* '''teabulza'''....''green-eyed'' ::* '''teamelza'''....''brown-eyed'' :::* '''teamelzat'''....''brown-eyed person'' ::* '''teamolz'''....''a black eye'' ::* '''teamalz'''....''the white of the eye'' ::* '''Duhoteavolza et se?'''....''What color eyes do you have?'' === Chemical Nomenclature === [[File:14LaAc periodic table IIb.jpg|thumb|]] : The names of chemical elements are formed by converting the abbreviation for the element into Mirad lowercase alphabetic equivalents, then adding '''lk''', a suffix stub for chemicals. For example, the abbreviation for ''hydrogen'' is ''H''. So we replace that with the word for lowercase '''h''' in Mirad: '''he'''. By adding the stub suffix '''lk''', we get '''helk'''. : Use the names of the '''''small''''' letters of the alphabet as shown below. The letter name '''ca''' is pronounced '''cha''' as in English ''cha-cha''. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" valign=top; align=center |+ Lowercase Alphabet with Letter Names |- ! Lowercase !! a !! b !! c !! d !! !! e !! f !! g !! h !! !! i !! j !! k !! l !! m !! n !! !! o !! p !! q !! r !! s !! t !! !! u !! v !! w !! x !! y !! z |- align=center | !row=1| Mirad Name | '''a''' || '''ba''' || '''ca''' || '''da''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''e''' || '''fe''' || '''ge''' || '''he''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''i''' || '''ji''' || '''ki''' || '''li''' || '''mi''' || '''ni''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''o''' || '''po''' || '''ko''' || '''ro''' || '''so''' || '''to''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''u''' || '''vu''' || '''wu''' || '''xu''' || '''yu''' || '''zu''' |} ==== Coding Chemical Elements ==== : The following chart shows some examples of how words for chemical elements are formed: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Coding Chemical Elements |- ! English Element Name !! Abbreviation !! Mirad Name |- | ''silver'' || ''Ar'' || '''arolk''' |- | ''iron'' || ''Fe'' || '''feelk''' |- | ''hydrogen'' || ''H'' || '''helk''' |- | ''nitrogen'' || ''N'' || '''nilk''' |- | ''mercury'' || ''Hg'' || '''hegelk''' |- | ''darmstadtium'' || ''Ds'' || '''dasolk''' |} : In chemical compounds, the '''lk''' is used only on the last element of the compound. : Chemical compounds such as ''H₂O (hydrogen dioxide)'' are coded in the following manner. ::# The ''H'' for ''hydrogen'' is rendered as '''he''' (without the '''-lk'''). ::# The number 2 refers to two hydrogen atoms, so the Mirad prefix for ''two, bi-'', '''en-''' is prefixed to the '''h''', giving '''enhe'''. ::# The word for ''oxygen'', '''ol''' is added, and, since it is the last element in the compound, the '''lk''' is suffixed. ::# The English word ends in ''-ide'', which is rendered in Mirad as '''-iyd''', giving '''enheolkiyd''' : Such chemical suffix equivalents are given below: : Given the chemical element ''sulfur'', which has the abbreviation ''S'', the Mirad equivalent for this solid is '''solk'''. Possible variants of this chemical, plus others, are: ==== Chemical Compound Suffixes ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Chemical Suffix Equivalents |- ! English Suffix !! Mirad Equivalent !! English Example !! Mirad Equivalent |- | ''-ide'' || '''-iyd''' || ''sulfide'' || '''solkiyd''' |- | ''-ite'' || '''-iyt''' || ''sulfite'' || '''solkiyt''' |- | ''-ate'' || '''-ayt''' || ''sulfate'' || '''solkayt''' |- | ''-ine'' || '''-iyn''' || ''iodine'' || '''ilkiyn''' |- | ''-ane'' || '''-ayn''' || ''methane'' || '''ahelkayn''' |- | ''-ene'' || '''-eyn''' || ''benzene'' || '''ehelkeyn''' |- | ''-one'' || '''-oyn''' || ''ketone'' || '''ketoyn''' |- | ''-ine'' || '''--iyn''' || ''alanine'' || '''alaniyn''' |- | ''-ic'' || '''-a''' || ''ferric'' || '''feelka''' |- | ''-ous'' || '''aya''' || ''ferrous'' || '''feelkaya''' |} : Note that the numeral prefixes in chemical formulae end in '''-n'''. : The numeral prefixes ''5'' and ''6'' end in '''-on''' instead of '''-n''' so as to distinguish them from the words '''yan'''....''together'' and '''yon'''....''apart''. : The chart below shows some of the numeric prefixes: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Numeric Prefixes |- ! Number !! Prefix !! Example |- | '''a'''....''mono-'' || '''an''' || '''anolkiyd'''....''<u>mono</u>xide (O)'' |- | '''e'''....''bi-/di-'' || '''en''' || '''encalkayt'''....''<u>bi</u>carbonate (C₂)'' |- | '''i'''....''tri-'' || '''in''' || '''inolkiyd-'''....''trioxide (O₃)'' |- | '''u'''....''tetr(a)-'' || '''un''' || '''unolkiyd-'''....''tetroxide (O₄)'' |- | '''yo'''....''pent(a)-'' || '''yoon''' || '''yoonolkiyd-'''....''pentoxide (O₅)'' |- | '''ya'''....''hex(a)-'' || '''yaon''' || '''yaonolkiyd'''....''hexoxide (O₆)'' |- | '''ye'''....''hept(a)-'' || '''yen''' || '''yenolkiyd'''....''heptoxide (O₇)'' |- | '''yi'''....''oct(o)-'' || '''yin''' || '''yinolkiyd-'''....''octoxide (O₈)'' |- | '''yu'''....''non(a)-'' || '''yun''' || '''yunolkiyd-'''....''nonoxide (O₉)'' |- | '''alo'''....''dec(a)-'' || '''alon''' || '''alonolkayt-'''....''decoxidate (O₁₀)'' |} : Examples: ::* ''carbon <u>di</u>oxide (C₂O)''....'''calk <u>en</u>olkiyd''' ::* ''sodium <u>bi</u>carbonate (Na2C)''....'''nialk <u>en</u>calkayt''' ::* ''calcium <u>di</u>hydrogen phosphate''....'''caalk <u>en</u>helk polkayt''' ::* ''glucose (C₆H₁₂O₆)''....'''<u>yaon</u>ca<u>alan</u>he<u>yaon</u>olk''' (or: '''sakolos''') ::* ''methanol (C₃HOH)''....'''ca<u>in</u>heohelk''' : Note: the '''-lk''' is added only at the end of a compound and before the endings '''-iyd''', '''-iyt''', and '''-ayt''', etc. ==== Names of Atomic Parts ==== : The word for ''atom'' in Mirad is '''gwomulk''', which literally is ''least particle''. : The main particles in an atom are: ::* '''vamulk'''....''proton'' (positive) ::* '''vemulk'''....''neutron'' (neutral) ::* '''vomulk'''....''electron'' (negative) : Every atom contains '''mulki''' (''subatomic particles''). [[File:Standard Model of Elementary Particles.svg|thumb|392x392px|The [[Standard Model]] classification of particles]] : The principle elementary atomic particles (quarks, leptons, bosons) are named from the alphabetic spellings of the letter abbreviations in the Standard Abbreviations chart to the right, some of which are Greek letters, both upper and lower case. (See [[wikipedia:Subatomic_particle]] ). ::* '''hamulk'''....''hadron'' :::* '''mi-hamulk'''....''meson'' ::::* '''pimi-hamulk'''....''pion'' ::::* '''kami-hamulk'''....''kaon'' :::* '''ba-hamulk'''....''baryon'' ::::* '''lambda-ba-hamulk'''....''lambda baryon'' ::* '''vamulk'''....''proton'' ::* '''vemulk'''....''neutron'' ::* '''vomulk'''....''electron'' ::* '''zemulk'''....''nucleon'' ::* '''alfamulk'''....''alpha particle'' ::* '''fermimulk'''....''fermion'' ::* '''goryumulk'''....''nanoparticle'' ::* '''kyiazon mulk'''....''graviton'' ::* '''bamulk'''....''boson particle'' :::* '''agha-bamulk'''....''higgs particle'' :::* '''agwu-bamulk'''....''W boson'' :::* '''agzu-bamulk'''....''Z boson'' :::* '''gamma-bamulk'''....''photon'' :::* '''ge-bamulk'''....''gluon'' ::* '''qomulk'''....''quark'' :::* '''ba-qomulk'''....''bottom quark'' :::* '''ca-qomulk'''....''charm quark'' :::* '''da-qomulk'''....''down quark'' :::* '''ov-qomulk'''....''antiparticle, antiquark'' :::* '''penta-qomulk'''....''penta quark'' :::* '''tetra-qomulk'''....''tetra quark'' :::* '''to-qomulk'''....''top quark'' :::* '''u-qomulk'''....''up quark'' :::* '''so-qomulk'''....''strange quark'' ::* '''limulk'''....''lepton'' :::* '''gamma-limulk'''....''photon'' (also: '''manmulk''') :::* '''mu-limulk'''....''muon'' :::* '''pi-limulk'''....''pion'' :::* '''tau-limulk'''....''tau'' :::* '''vu-e-limulk'''....''electron neutrino'' :::* '''vu-mu-limulk'''....''muon neutrino'' :::* '''vu-tau-limulk'''....''tau neutrino'' :::* '''e-limulk'''....''electron'' (also: '''vomulk''') : The nucleus of an atom is called '''zemulk'''. Therefore, '''zemulka''' means ''nuclear''. === Musical Nomenclature === ==== Musical Instruments ==== : The musical instruments are encoded as follows, where all instruments contain the word for musical instrument ('''duzar''' < '''duz''' (''music'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument''). The system is based on a five-way classification system that relates to the way the instrument is played. [[File:Madras musical instruments and snake charmer's music.jpg|thumb|<small>Madras_musical_instruments_and_snake_charmer's_music</small>]] {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Musical Instruments |- ! Mirad !! English |- ! colspan=2 | Bowed-String |- | '''aduzar''' || ''violin'' |- | '''eduzar''' || ''violin alto'' |- | '''iduzar''' || ''cello'', ''violoncello'' |- | '''uduzar'''<br>'''eona uduzar''' || ''bass''<br>''double bass'' |- | '''yoduzar''' || ''viola'' |- | '''yaduzar''' || ''fiddle'' |- | '''yeduzar''' || ''viol'' |- |- '''yiduzar''' || ''erhu'' |- | '''yuduzar''' || ''hardanger fiddle'' |- | '''aloduzar''' || ''kemenche'' |- | '''aladuzar''' || ''nyckelharpa'' |- | '''aleduzar''' || ''rebab'' |- ! colspan=2 | Woodwind |- | '''faduzar''' || ''flute'' |- | '''feduzar''' || ''oboe'' |- | '''fiduzar''' || ''clarinet'' |- | '''fuduzar''' || ''bassoon'' |- | '''fyoduzar''' || ''French harp, harmonica'' |- | '''fyaduzar''' || ''recorder'' |- | '''fyeduzar''' || ''bagpipe'' |- | '''fyiduzar''' || ''didgeridoo'' |- | '''fyuduzar''' || ''piccolo'' |- | '''faloduzar''' || ''fife, hornpipe'' |- | '''faladuzar''' || ''ocarina, ocarine'' |- | '''faleduzar''' || ''sheng'' |- | '''faliduzar''' || ''duduk'' |- | '''faluduzar''' || ''bansuri'' |- | '''falyoduzar''' || ''suling'' |- ! colspan=2 | Brass &#x1f3b7; |- | '''voduzar''' || ''horn'' |- | '''vaduzar''' || ''trumpet'' |- | '''veduzar''' || ''trombone'' |- | '''vuduzar'''<br>-- '''avuduzar'''<br>-- '''evuduzar'''<br>--'''ivuduzar'''|| ''saxophone''<br>-- ''tenor saxophone''<br>-- ''alto saxophone''<br>-- ''bass saxophone'' |- | '''vyoduzar''' || ''tuba'' |- | '''vyaduzar''' || ''bugle'' |- | '''vyeduzar''' || ''French horn'' |- | '''vyiduzar''' || ''cornet'' |- | '''vyuduzar''' || ''baritone horn'' |- | '''valoduzar''' || ''alto horn'' |- | '''valaduzar''' || ''euphonium'' |- | '''valeduzar''' || ''flugelhorn'' |- | '''validuzar''' || ''sousaphone'' |- | '''valuduzar''' || ''clarion'' |- | '''valyoduzar''' || ''mellophone'' |- | '''valyaduzar''' || ''climbasso'' |- | '''valyeduzar''' || ''ophicleide'' |- ! colspan=2 | Percussion |- | '''kaduzar'''<br>-- '''akaduzar'''<br>-- '''ekaduzar'''<br>-- '''ikaduzar'''<br>-- '''ukaduzar'''<br>-- '''yokaduzar'''<br>-- '''yakaduzar'''<br>-- '''yekaduzar'''<br>-- '''yikaduzar'''<br>-- '''yukaduzar'''<br>-- '''alokaduzar'''<br>-- '''alakaduzar'''<br>-- '''alekaduzar'''<br>-- '''alikaduzar'''<br>-- '''alukaduzar''' || ''drum''<br>-- ''snare drum''<br>-- ''bass drum''<br>-- ''tenor drum''<br>-- ''steel drum''<br>-- ''bongo drum''<br>-- ''timbrel''<br>-- ''kettledrum''<br>-- ''hang drum''<br>-- ''tupan''<br>-- ''taiko''<br>-- ''spring drum''<br>-- ''octoban''<br>-- ''candombe drum''<br>-- ''steel tongue drum'' |- | '''keduzar''' || ''glockenspiel'' |- | '''kiduzar''' || ''vibraphone'' |- | '''kuduzar''' || ''marimba'' |- | '''kyoduzar''' || ''tubular bell'' |- | '''gaduzar''' || ''triangle'' |- | '''geduzar''' || ''gong'' |- | '''giduzar''' || ''castanet'' |- | '''guduzar''' || ''rattle'' |- | '''gyoduzar''' || ''xylophone'' |- | '''gyaduzar''' || ''maraca'' |- | '''gyeduzar''' || ''caj&oacute;n'' |- | '''gyiduzar''' || ''cymbal'' |- | '''gyuduzar''' || ''tambourine'' |- | '''galoduzar''' || ''steelpan'' |- | '''galaduzar''' || ''wind chime'' |- | '''galeduzar''' || ''chime bar'' |- | '''galiduzar''' || ''celeste'' |- | '''galuduzar''' || ''clapper'' |- | '''galyoduzar''' || ''Jew's harp'' |- | '''galyaduzar''' || ''bazooka'' |- | '''galyeduzar''' || ''waterphone'' |- | '''galyiduzar''' || ''balafon'' |- | '''galyuduzar''' || ''boomwhackers'' |- | '''geloduzar''' || ''udu'' |- | '''geladuzar''' || ''thunder sheet'' |- ! colspan=2 | Keyboard &#x1f3b9; |- | '''raduzar'''<br>-- '''utekea raduzar'''<br>-- '''agala raduzar'''<br>-- '''sem raduzar''' || ''piano''<br>-- ''player piano''<br>-- ''grand piano''<br>-- ''keyboard'' |- | '''reduzar''' || ''clavichord'' |- | '''riduzar''' || ''harpsichord'' |- | '''ruduzar'''<br>-- '''mufyeg ruduzar'''<br>-- '''maka ruduzar''' || ''organ''<br>-- ''pipe organ''<br>-- ''electric organ'' |- | '''ryoduzar''' || ''accordion'' |- | '''ryaduzar''' || ''dulcimer'' |- | '''ryeduzar''' || ''calliope'' |- | '''ryiduzar''' || ''melodica'' |- | '''ryuduzar''' || ''concertina'' |- ! colspan=2 | Guitar &#x1f3b8; |- | '''baduzar'''<br>-- '''seuxa baduzar'''<br>-- '''maka baduzar'''<br>-- '''yoba baduzar''' || ''guitar''<br>-- ''accoustic guitar''<br>-- ''electric guitar''<br>-- ''bass guitar'' |- | '''beduzar''' || ''banjo'' |- | '''biduzar''' || ''lute'' |- | '''buduzar''' || ''harp'' |- | '''byoduzar''' || ''mandolin'' |- | '''byaduzar''' || ''ukelele'' |- | '''byeduzar''' || ''zither'' |- | '''byiduzar''' || ''lyre'' |- | '''byuduzar''' || ''cithara, kithara'' |- | '''baloduzar''' || ''sitar'' |- | '''baladuzar''' || ''veena'' |- | '''baleduzar''' || ''koto'' |- | '''baliduzar''' || ''balalaika'' |- | '''baluduzar''' || ''charango'' |- | '''balyoduzar''' || ''hurdy-gurdy'' |} ==== Voice Ranges ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Voice Ranges (Deuz nabyani) |- ! Mirad !! English !! Meaning |- ! colspan=3 | Women |- | '''yabdeuztoyb''' || ''soprano'' || "high-voice-female" |- | '''zeyabdeuztoyb''' || ''mezzo-soprano'' || "high-ish-voice-female" |- | '''yobdeuztoyb''' || ''alto, contralto'' || "low-voice-female" |- ! colspan=3 | Men |- | '''yabdeuztwob''' || ''tenor'' || "high-voice-male" |- | '''ze-yabdeuztwob''' || ''baritone'' || "middle-high-voice-male" |- | '''yobdeuztwob''' || ''bass''||"low-voice-male" |- | '''vyo-yabdeuztwob''' || ''falsetto'' || "false-high-voice-male" |- ! colspan=3 | Boys |- | '''yabdeuztwobet''' || ''treble'' || "high-voice-boy" |} : Suffix these nouns with '''-a''' to make them adjectives, eg.: ::* '''His se <u>yabdeuztwoba</u> duznod.'''....''This is a <u>tenor</u> note.'' ==== Solmization Syllables ==== : The syllables used in Mirad to spell out musical notes is like the system used in the English-speaking world: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Solmization Syllables |- | '''do''' || '''re''' || '''mi''' || '''fa''' || '''sol''' || '''la''' || '''ti''' || '''do''' |} ==== Musical Score Elements ==== [[File:Gigault-dernier-kyrie-mm9-12.png|thumb]] : The semitone or accidental symbols are: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Accidentals |- ! ENGLISH NAME !! SYMBOL !! MIRAD NAME !! ENGLISH EXAMPLE !! MIRAD EXAMPLE || MIRAD PRONUNCIATION |- | ''flat'' || <big>&#x1D12C;</big>|| '''yobwa''' (=''lowered'')|| ''B flat'' || '''B yobwa''' || '''ba YOBwa''' |- | ''sharp'' || <big>&#x1D130;</big> || '''yabwa''' (=''raised'')|| ''C sharp'' || '''C yabwa''' || '''ca YABwa''' |- | ''natural'' || <big>&#x1D12E;</big> || '''egxwa''' (=''normalized'')|| ''F natural'' || '''F egxwa''' || '''fe EGxwa''' |} : Some staff notation: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Staff Notation |- ! English Name !! Symbol !! Mirad Name |- | ''staff'' || <big>&#x1D119;</big> || '''nuidyan''' |- | ''treble clef, G clef'' || <big>&#x1D11E;</big> || '''G yijar''' |- | ''C clef'' || <big>&#x1D121;</big> || '''C yijar''' |- | ''base clef, F clef'' || <big>&#x1D122;</big> || '''F yijar''' |- | ''note'' || || '''nod''' |- | ''half note'' || <big>&#x1D15E;</big> || '''eyna nod''' |- | ''quarter note'' || <big>&#x1D15F;</big> || '''uyna nod''' |- | ''whole note'' || <big>&#x1D15D;</big> || '''ayna nod''' |- | ''quarter rest'' || <big>&#x1D13D; </big> || '''uyna poys''' |- | ''eighth note'' || <big>&#x1D160; </big> || '''yiyna nod''' |- | ''bar, measure'' || <big>&#x1D100;</big> || '''nodzyan''' |- | ''ligature'' || || '''yanxus''' |} ==== Characteristic Features of Music ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Characteristic Features of Music ! Mirad !! English |- |'''deup'''||'' beat'' |- |'''seupan'''||'' cadence'' |- |'''jes'''||'' duration'' |- |'''zoyteuz'''||'' echo'' |- |'''yanseuz'''||'' harmony'' |- |'''duzneg'''||''pitch'' |- |'''ijduzneg'''||'' key'' |- |'''druz'''||'' lyric'' |- |'''agala duzmus'''||'' major scale'' |- |'''duznag'''||'' measure'' |- |'''duznad'''||'' melody'' |- |'''duzjob''' ||''tempo'' |- |'''nak'''||'' meter'' |- |'''ogala duzmus'''||'' minor scale'' |- |'''duz'''||'' music'' |- |'''yinig'''||'' octave'' |- |'''byes'''||'' pulse'' |- |'''zoyseuzen'''||'' resonance'' |- |'''deupyan'''||'' rhythm'' |- |'''duzmus'''||'' scale'' |- |'''duzdreyn'''||'' score'' |- |'''seux'''||'' sound'' |- |'''duzigan'''||'' tempo'' |- |'''seuzvolz'''||'' timbre'' |- |'''seuz'''||'' tone'' |- |'''yanseuz'''||''chord, harmonic'' |- |'''aybseuz'''||''overtone'' |- |'''deuzunog'''||'' tune'' |- |'''deuz'''||'' voice'' |- |'''seuxnid'''||'' volume'' |} ==== Dynamics ==== : Notations having to do with musical dynamic accents are usually in Italian and are recognized the world over. For this reason, they are left ''as is'' in Mirad. : These include: <div style="background:lightyellow; font-style:italics"> : <i>a tempo, accelerando, accelerando, crescendo, decrescendo, diminuendo, fermata, forte, fortissimo, glissando, legato, lento, marcato, mezzo forte, mezzo piano, pianissimo, piano, poco a poco, portamento, rallentando, ritardanto, rubato, sforzando, staccatissimo, staccato, subito piano, tenuto, tremolo</i>, and others. </div> ==== Types of Arrangements ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Musical Arrangements ! English !! Mirad |- |''a capella song''||'''a kapella deuzun, deuzun boy duzari''' |- |''anthem''||'''fizdeuzun, tezdeuzun''' |- |''antiphon''||'''duiddeuzun''' |- |''aria''||'''arya, awat deuzun''' |- |''arrangement''||'''napbeyn''' |- |''art song''||'''tuz deuz''' |- |''ballad''||'''daz deuz, ifonkex deuzun''' |- |''battle hymn''||'''dropek deuzun''' |- |''bird song''||'''pat deuzun''' |- |''broadway song''||'''Broadway deuzun''' |- |''campfire song''||'''tamoftem deuzun''' |- |''cantata''||'''kantata''' |- |''canticle''||'''efyadeuzun''' |- |''carol''||'''ivdeuzun''' |- |''chant''||'''yagdeuzun''' |- |''choral arrangement''||'''deuzutyan napxeyn''' |- |''Christmas carol''||'''Kristtaj ivdeuzun''' |- |''classical song''||'''visauna deuzun''' |- |''composition''||'''duzdrun''' |- |''concerto''||'''koncerto''' |- |''country song''||'''odom deuzun, meimtyoda deuzun''' |- |''dance song''||'''daz deuzun''' |- |''dirge''||'''uvdeuzun''' |- |''ditty''||'''deuzog''' |- |''doggerel verse''||'''dizdeuzun''' |- |''drinking song''||'''tilien deuzun''' |- |''duet''||'''ewat (deuzun)''' |- |''folksong''||'''tyoyd deuzun''' |- |''glee''||'''Gebama deuzun''' |- |''gospel song''||'''fyadin deuzun''' |- |''hip hop song''||'''hip hop deuzun''' |- |''hit song''||'''agakus deuzun''' |- |''hymn''||'''fyadeuzun ''' |- |''instrumental''||'''duzarun''' |- |''jingle''||'''nundeuzunog''' |- |''karaoke song''||'''karaoke deuzun''' |- |''love song''||'''ifon deuzun''' |- |''lullaby''||'''tudet deuzun''' |- |''lute song''||'''riduzar deuzun''' |- |''madrigal''||'''duzuka deuzun''' |- |''marching song''||'''doptyopen deuzun''' |- |''medley''||'''ebmulxwa deuzyan''' |- |''metal song''||'''mug deuzun''' |- |''musical number''||'''duzun''' |- |''old standard''||'''ajdeuzun''' |- |''opera''||'''dyuz, dyuzun''' |- |''oratorio''||'''oratoryo''' |- |''paean''||'''akrun deuzun''' |- |''partsong''||'''gon deuzun''' |- |''patter song''||'''deuzig''' |- |''pop song''||'''tyoda deuzun''' |- |''psalm''||'''afyadeuzun''' |- |''rock song''||'''rok deuzun''' |- |''round''||'''zoydea deuzun''' |- |''sea shanty''||'''mim deuz''' |- |''show tune''||'''duez deuzun''' |- |''signature song''||'''ujak deuzun''' |- |''slow jam''||'''bluz deuzun''' |- |''soliloquy''||'''awat, awat deuzun''' |- |''solo''||'''awat (duzun), awat (deuzun)''' |- |''song''||'''deuzun''' |- |''spiritual, negro spiritual''||'''topa deuzun''' |- |''sporting song''||'''tapifek deuzun''' |- |''symphony''||'''viduzunyag''' |- |''theme song''||'''texzena deuz''' |- |''torch song''||'''ifonok uvdeuzun''' |- |''vaudeville song''||'''Vaudeville deuzun''' |- |''Wienerlied''||'''Viena deuzun''' |} ==== Musicians ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Musicians ! English !! Mirad |- |''musician''||'''duzut, duztoyb, duzuyt, duztwob''' |- |''instrumentalist''||'''duzarut''' |- |''violinist''||'''aduzarut''' |- |''conductor''||'''duzdeb''', '''duzutyaneb''' |- |''soloist''||'''anduzut''' |- |''singer, vocalist''||'''deuzut''' |- |''danseur''||'''dyaztwob''' |- |''ballerina''||'''dyazuyt, dyaztoyb''' |- |''dancer''||'''dazut, dazuyt''' |- |''opera singer''||'''dyuzut, dyuzuyt''' |- |''operatist, librettist''||'''dyuzdrut''' |- |''composer''||'''duzdrut''' |- |''lyricist, songwriter''||'''deuzdrut''' |- |''dance conductor''||'''dazeb''' |- |''(symphony) orchestra''||'''duzarutyan''' |- |''philharmonic orchestra''||'''duzarutyanag''' |- |''chorus, chorale'' ||'''deuzutyan''' |- |''dance troupe''||'''dazutyan''' |} ==== Song Parts ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Song Parts ! Mirad !! English |- |'''ujgon'''||''coda'' |- |'''ijgon'''||''intro'' |- |'''ebek'''||''interlude'' |- |'''ijek'''||''finale'' |- |'''gawijun'''||''reprise'' |- |'''gawdeuzun'''||''refrain'' |- |'''agalduznad'''||''theme'' |- |'''nadyan'''||''verse'' |- |'''zeymep'''||''bridge'' |- |'''gawdwas'''||''chorus'' |- |'''ujnadyan'''||''outro'' |} ==== Music Genres ==== : Some genres and styles of music: {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Genres of Music ! Mirad !! English |- |'''a kapella, boy duzari'''||''a capella'' |- |'''yugtaxea duz'''||''ambiant'' |- |'''Usoma tyoyduz'''||''American folk'' |- |'''Usoma egona duz'''||''American standard'' |- |'''yizejna'''||''avant garde'' |- |'''Baroka'''||''Baroque'' |- |'''yolza vab'''||''bluegrass'' |- |'''bluz'''||''blues'' |- |'''Bolliwud'''||''Bollywood'' |- |'''bossa nova'''||''bossa nova'' |- |'''kalipso'''||''calypso'' |- |'''Kelta yagdeuz'''||''Celtic chant'' |- |'''Canima tyoyduz'''||''Chinese folk'' |- |'''Canima ajutbyena dyuz'''||''Chinese traditional opera'' |- |'''jejoba deupyan ay bluz'''||''contemporary R&B'' |- |'''maima bluz'''||''country blues'' |- |'''maima duz'''||''country music'' |- |'''maima pop'''||''country pop'' |- |'''maima rap'''||''country rap'' |- |'''maima rok'''||''country rock'' |- |'''dazam pop'''||''dancehall pop'' |- |'''disko'''||''disco'' |- |'''du-wop'''||''doo-wop'' |- |'''maka dauz'''||''electronic dance music (EDM)'' |- |'''yugtaxea duz'''||''elevator music'' |- |'''Euma disko'''||''Euro-disco'' |- |'''jwayeka'''||''experimental'' |- |'''flamenko'''||''flamenco'' |- |'''funk'''||''funk'' |- |'''Gregoria yagdeuz'''||''Gregorian chant'' |- |'''hip-hop'''||''hip-hop'' |- |'''honki-tonk'''||''honky-tonk'' |- |'''hyusuna rok'''||''Indie rock'' |- |'''jaz'''||''jazz'' |- |'''makjaz'''||''jazztronica'' |- |'''juju'''||''juju'' |- |'''fyaxela duz'''||''liturgical music'' |- |'''majika'''||''majika'' |- |'''mamo'''||''mambo'' |- |'''merengwe'''||''merengue'' |- |'''mesitzo'''||''mesitzo'' |- |'''mug'''||''metal'' |- |'''Mixuma duz'''||''Mexican'' |- |'''seuz bi Naxvil'''||''Nashville sound'' |- |'''Ejna Orleans bluz'''||''New Orleans blues'' |- |'''dyuz'''||''opera'' |- |'''rancera'''||''ranchera'' |- |'''rap'''||''rap'' |- |'''rege'''||''reggae'' |- |'''deupyan ay blus, ro-ay-ba'''||''rhythm & blues'' |- |'''rok-ay-rol'''||''rock & roll'' |- |'''salsa'''||''salsa'' |- |'''samba'''||''samba'' |- |'''ska'''||''ska'' |- |'''galoduzaruta duz'''||''steel band music'' |- |'''swing'''||''swing'' |- |'''Tehano'''||''Tejano'' |- |'''eyntuj duz'''||''trance music'' |- |'''Zumera visauna'''||''Western classical'' |- |'''Zumeryena'''||''Western'' |- |'''zideko'''||''zydeco'' |} === Geographic Placenames === : As in English, Geograpic placenames are capitalized, including the languages and inhabitants. ==== Countries of the World ==== [[File:Flickr - …trialsanderrors - Johnson's new chart of national emblems, 1868.jpg|thumb|]] Below is a complete list of the current officially assigned ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 codes, with country names being English short country names officially used by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency (ISO 3166/MA). The Mirad equivalents are formed by replacing the letters of the ISO code with the lowercase Mirad alphabetic spells, except if the letter is followed by a vowel, in which case the ISO letter is kept as is, but lower-cased. The letter '''m''' is suffixed as a stub for "place" and then the word-initial letter is capitalized, eg.: : Example 1: : ''Burundi'' is translated as follows: ::* The ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 code is BDI. ::* ''BDI'' is lowercased to ''bdi'' ::* '''b''' is convered to the Mirad alphabetic spell '''ba'''. ::* Since ''d'' is followed by a vowel, it is left as is: '''d'''. ::* The vowel ''i'' is left as is: '''i''' ::* '''m''' is appended for ''place'': '''badim''' ::* The initial letter of the country name is capitalized: '''Badim''' ::* BDI (Burundi) = '''Badim'''. : Example 2: : ''Uzbekistan'' is translated as follows: ::* The ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 code is UZB. ::* ''UZB'' is lowercased to ''uzb'' ::* '''u''' is left as is: '''u'''. ::* '''z''' is converted to the Mirad alphabetic spell: '''zu''' ::* '''b''' is converted to the Mirad alphabetic spell: '''ba''' ::* '''m''' is appended for ''place'': '''uzubam''' ::* The initial letter of the country name is capitalized: '''Uzubam''' ::* UZB (Uzbekistan) = '''Uzubam'''. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background: lightyellow; margn-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Country Names (click on arrows to sort a column) ! ISO !! English !! Mirad |- | ABW || ''Aruba''||'''Abawum''' |- | AFG || ''Afghanistan''||'''Afegem''' |- | AGO || ''Angola''||'''Agom''' |- | AIA || ''Anguilla''||'''Aiam''' |- | ALA || ''[[w:Åland|Åland Islands]]''||'''Alam''' |- | ALB || ''Albania''||'''Alibam''' |- | AND || ''Andorra''||'''Anidam''' |- | ANT || ''Netherlands Antilles''||'''Anitom''' |- | ARE || ''United Arab Emirates''||'''Arem''' |- | ARG || ''Argentina''||'''Arogem''' |- | ARM || ''Armenia''||'''Aromim''' |- | ASM || ''American Samoa''||'''Asomim''' |- | ATA || ''Antarctica''||'''Atam''' |- | ATF || ''French Southern Territories''||'''Atofem''' |- | ATG || ''Antigua and Barbuda''||'''Atogem''' |- | AUS || ''Australia''||'''Ausom''' |- | AUT || ''Austria''||'''Autom''' |- | AZE || ''Azerbaijan''||'''Azem''' |- | BDI || ''Burundi''||'''Badim''' |- | BEL || ''Belgium''||'''Belim''' |- | BEN || ''Benin''||'''Benim''' |- | BFA || ''Burkina Faso''||'''Bafam''' |- | BGD || ''Bangladesh''||'''Bagedam''' |- | BGR || ''Bulgaria''||'''Bagerom''' |- | BHR || ''Bahrain''||'''Baherom''' |- | BHS || ''[[w|The Bahamas|Bahamas]]''||'''Bahesom''' |- | BIH || ''Bosnia and Herzegovina''||'''Bihem''' |- | BLM || ''Saint Barthélemy''||'''Balimim''' |- | BLR || ''Belarus''||'''Balirom''' |- | BLZ || ''Belize''||'''Balizum''' |- | BMU || ''Bermuda''||'''Bamum''' |- | BOL || ''Bolivia''||'''Bolim''' |- | BRA || ''Brazil''||'''Baram''' |- | BRB || ''Barbados''||'''Barobam''' |- | BRN || ''[[w:Brunei|Brunei Darussalam]]''||'''Baronim''' |- | BTN || ''Bhutan''||'''Batonim''' |- | BVT || ''Bouvet Island''||'''Bavutom''' |- | BWA || ''Botswana''||'''Bawam''' |- | CAF || ''Central African Republic''||'''Cafem''' |- | CAN || ''Canada''||'''Canim''' |- | CCK || ''Cocos Islands''||'''Cacakim''' |- | CHE || ''Switzerland''||'''Cahem''' |- | CHL || ''Chile''||'''Cahelim''' |- | CHN || ''[[w:People's Republic of China|China]]''||'''Cahenim''' |- | CIV || ''Côte d'Ivoire''||'''Civum''' |- | CMR || ''Cameroon''||'''Camirom''' |- | COD || ''Democratic Republic of the Congo''||'''Codam''' |- | COG || ''Republic of the Congo''||'''Cogem''' |- | COK || ''Cook Islands''||'''Cokim''' |- | COL || ''Colombia''||'''Colim''' |- | COM || ''Comoros''||'''Comim''' |- | CPV || ''Cape Verde''||'''Capovum''' |- | CRI || ''Costa Rica''||'''Carim''' |- | CUB || ''Cuba''||'''Cubam''' |- | CXR || ''Christmas Island''||'''Caxurom''' |- | CYM || ''Cayman Islands''||'''Cayumim''' |- | CYP || ''Cyprus''||'''Cayupom''' |- | CZE || ''Czechia''||'''Cazem''' |- | DEU || ''Germany''||'''Deum''' |- | DJI || ''Djibouti''||'''Dajim''' |- | DMA || ''Dominica''||'''Damam''' |- | DNK || ''Denmark''||'''Danikim''' |- | DOM || ''Dominican Republic''||'''Domim''' |- | DZA || ''Algeria''||'''Dazam''' |- | ECU || ''Ecuador''||'''Ecum''' |- | EGY || ''Egypt''||'''Egeyum''' |- | ERI || ''Eritrea''||'''Erim''' |- | ESH || ''Western Sahara''||'''Esohem''' |- | ESP || ''Spain''||'''Esopom''' |- | EST || ''Estonia''||'''Esotom''' |- | ETH || ''Ethiopia''||'''Etohem''' |- | FIN || ''Finland''||'''Finim''' |- | FJI || ''Fiji''||'''Fejim''' |- | FLK || ''Falkland Islands (Malvinas)''||'''Felikim''' |- | FRA || ''France''||'''Feram''' |- | FRO || ''Faroe Islands''||'''Ferom''' |- | FSM || ''Federated States of Micronesia''||'''Fesomim''' |- | GAB || ''Gabon''||'''Gabam''' |- | GBR || ''United Kingdom''||'''Gebarom''' |- | GEO || ''Georgia''||'''Geom''' |- | GGY || ''Guernsey''||'''Gegeyum''' |- | GHA || ''Ghana''||'''Geham''' |- | GIB || ''Gibraltar''||'''Gibam''' |- | GLP || ''Guadeloupe''||'''Gelipom''' |- | GMB || ''Gambia''||'''Gemibam''' |- | GNB || ''Guinea-Bissau''||'''Genibam''' |- | GNQ || ''Equatorial Guinea''||'''Geniqom''' |- | GRC || ''Greece''||'''Gerocam''' |- | GRD || ''Grenada''||'''Gerodam''' |- | GRL || ''Greenland''||'''Gedolim''' |- | GTM || ''Guatemala''||'''Getomim''' |- | GUF || ''French Guiana''||'''Gufem''' |- | GUM || ''Guam''||'''Gumim''' |- | GUY || ''Guyana''||'''Guyum''' |- | HKG || ''Hong Kong''||'''Hekigem''' |- | HMD || ''Heard Island and McDonald Islands''||'''Hemidam''' |- | HND || ''Honduras''||'''Henidam''' |- | HRV || ''Croatia''||'''Herovum''' |- | HTI || ''Haiti''||'''Hetim''' |- | HUN || ''Hungary''||'''Hunim''' |- | IDN || ''Indonesia''||'''Idanim''' |- | IMN || ''Isle of Man''||'''Iminim''' |- | IND || ''India''||'''Inidam''' |- | IOT || ''British Indian Ocean Territory''||'''Iotom''' |- | IRL || ''Republic of Ireland''||'''Irolim''' |- | IRN || ''Iran''||'''Ironim''' |- | IRQ || ''Iraq''||'''Iroqom''' |- | ISL || ''Iceland''||'''Isolim''' |- | ISR || ''Israel''||'''Isorom''' |- | ITA || ''Italy''||'''Itam''' |- | JAM || ''Jamaica''||'''Jamim''' |- | JEY || ''Jersey''||'''Jeyum''' |- | JOR || ''Jordan''||'''Jorom''' |- | JPN || ''Japan''||'''Jiponim''' |- | KAZ || ''Kazakhstan''||'''Kazum''' |- | KEN || ''Kenya''||'''Kenim''' |- | KGZ || ''Kyrgyzstan''||'''Kigezum''' |- | KHM || ''Cambodia''||'''Kihemim''' |- | KIR || ''Kiribati''||'''Kirom''' |- | KNA || ''Saint Kitts and Nevis''||'''Kinam''' |- | KOR || ''[[w:South Korea|Korea, Republic of]]''||'''Korom''' |- | KWT || ''Kuwait''||'''Kiwutom''' |- | LAO || ''Laos''||'''Laom''' |- | LBN || ''Lebanon''||'''Libanim''' |- | LBR || ''Liberia''||'''Libarom''' |- | LBY || ''Libya''||'''Libayum''' |- | LCA || ''Saint Lucia''||'''Licam''' |- | LIE || ''Liechtenstein''||'''Liem''' |- | LKA || ''Sri Lanka''||'''Likam''' |- | LSO || ''Lesotho''||'''Lisom''' |- | LTU || ''Lithuania''||'''Litum''' |- | LUX || ''Luxembourg''||'''Luxum''' |- | LVA || ''Latvia''||'''Livam''' |- | MAC || ''[[W:Macau|Macao]]''||'''Macam''' |- | MAF || ''Saint Martin''||'''Mafem''' |- | MAR || ''Morocco''||'''Marom''' |- | MCO || ''Monaco''||'''Micom''' |- | MDA || ''Moldova''||'''Midam''' |- | MDG || ''Madagascar''||'''Midagem''' |- | MDV || ''Maldives''||'''Midavum''' |- | MEX || ''Mexico''||'''Mexum''' |- | MHL || ''Marshall Islands''||'''Mihelim''' |- | MKD || ''Republic of Macedonia''||'''Mikidam''' |- | MLI || ''Mali''||'''Milim''' |- | MLT || ''Malta''||'''Militom''' |- | MMR || ''Myanmar''||'''Mimirom''' |- | MNE || ''Montenegro''||'''Minem''' |- | MNG || ''Mongolia''||'''Minigem''' |- | MNP || ''Northern Mariana Islands''||'''Minipom''' |- | MOZ || ''Mozambique''||'''Mozum''' |- | MRT || ''Mauritania''||'''Mirotom''' |- | MSR || ''Montserrat''||'''Misorom''' |- | MTQ || ''Martinique''||'''Mitoqom''' |- | MUS || ''Mauritius''||'''Musom''' |- | MWI || ''Malawi''||'''Miwim''' |- | MYS || ''Malaysia''||'''Miyusom''' |- | MYT || ''Mayotte''||'''Miyutom''' |- | NAM || ''Namibia''||'''Namim''' |- | NCL || ''New Caledonia''||'''Nicalim''' |- | NER || ''Niger''||'''Nerom''' |- | NFK || ''Norfolk Island''||'''Nifekim''' |- | NGA || ''Nigeria''||'''Nigam''' |- | NIC || ''Nicaragua''||'''Nicam''' |- | NOR || ''Norway''||'''Norom''' |- | NIU || ''Niue''||'''Nium''' |- | NLD || ''Netherlands''||'''Nilidam''' |- | NPL || ''Nepal''||'''Nipolim''' |- | NRU || ''Nauru''||'''Nirum''' |- | NZL || ''New Zealand''||'''Nizulim''' |- | OMN || ''Oman''||'''Ominim''' |- | PAK || ''Pakistan''||'''Pakim''' |- | PAN || ''Panama''||'''Panim''' |- | PCN || ''Pitcairn Islands''||'''Pocanim''' |- | PER || ''Peru''||'''Perom''' |- | PHL || ''Philippines''||'''Pohelim''' |- | PLW || ''Palau''||'''Poliwum''' |- | PNG || ''Papua New Guinea''||'''Ponigem''' |- | POL || ''Poland''||'''Polim''' |- | PRI || ''Puerto Rico''||'''Porim''' |- | PRK || ''North Korea''||'''Porikim''' |- | PRT || ''Portugal''||'''Porotom''' |- | PRY || ''Paraguay''||'''Poroyum''' |- | PSE || ''Palestinian territories''||'''Posem''' |- | PYF || ''French Polynesia''||'''Poyufem''' |- | QAT || ''Qatar''||'''Qatom''' |- | REU || ''Réunion''||'''Reum''' |- | ROU || ''Romania''||'''Roum''' |- | RUS || ''Russia''||'''Rusom''' |- | RWA || ''Rwanda''||'''Rowam''' |- | SAU || ''Saudi Arabia''||'''Saum''' |- | SDN || ''Sudan''||'''Sodanim''' |- | SEN || ''Senegal''||'''Senim''' |- | SGP || ''Singapore''||'''Sogepom''' |- | SGS || ''South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands''||'''Sogesom''' |- | SHN || ''Saint Helena''||'''Sohenim''' |- | SJM || ''Svalbard and Jan Mayen''||'''Sojimim''' |- | SLB || ''Solomon Islands''||'''Solibam''' |- | SLE || ''Sierra Leone''||'''Solem''' |- | SLV || ''El Salvador''||'''Solivum''' |- | SMR || ''San Marino''||'''Somirom''' |- | SOM || ''Somalia''||'''Somim''' |- | SPM || ''Saint Pierre and Miquelon''||'''Sopomim''' |- | SRB || ''Serbia''||'''Sorobam''' |- | STP || ''São Tomé and Príncipe''||'''Sotopom''' |- | SUR || ''Suriname''||'''Surom''' |- | SVK || ''Slovakia''||'''Sovukim''' |- | SVN || ''Slovenia''||'''Sovunim''' |- | SWE || ''Sweden''||'''Sowem''' |- | SWZ || ''Swaziland''||'''Sowuzum''' |- | SYC || ''Seychelles''||'''Soyucam''' |- | SYR || ''Syria''||'''Soyurom''' |- | TCA || ''Turks and Caicos Islands''||'''Tocam''' |- | TCD || ''Chad''||'''Tocadam''' |- | TGO || ''Togo''||'''Togom''' |- | THA || ''Thailand''||'''Toham''' |- | TJK || ''Tajikistan''||'''Tojikim''' |- | TKL || ''Tokelau''||'''Tokilim''' |- | TKM || ''Turkmenistan''||'''Tokimim''' |- | TLS || ''East Timor''||'''Tolisom''' |- | TON || ''Tonga''||'''Tonim''' |- | TTO || ''Trinidad and Tobago''||'''Totom''' |- | TUN || ''Tunisia''||'''Tunim''' |- | TUR || ''Turkey''||'''Turim''' |- | TUV || ''Tuvalu''||'''Tuvum''' |- | TWN || ''Taiwan''||'''Towunim''' |- | TZA || ''Tanzania''||'''Tozam''' |- | UGA || ''Uganda''||'''Ugam''' |- | UKR || ''Ukraine''||'''Ukirom''' |- | UMI || ''United States Minor Outlying Islands''||'''Umim''' |- | URY || ''Uruguay''||'''Uroyum''' |- | USA || ''United States''||'''Usam''' |- | UZB || ''Uzbekistan''||'''Uzubam''' |- | VAT || ''Vatican City''||'''Vatom''' |- | VCT || ''Saint Vincent and the Grenadines''||'''Vucatom''' |- | VEN || ''Venezuela''||'''Venim''' |- | VGB || ''British Virgin Islands''||'''Vugebam''' |- | VIR || ''United States Virgin Islands''||'''Virom''' |- | VNM || ''Vietnam''||'''Vunimim''' |- | VUT || ''Vanuatu''||'''Vutom''' |- | WLF || ''Wallis and Futuna''||'''Wulifem''' |- | WSM || ''Samoa''||'''Wusomim''' |- | YEM || ''Yemen''||'''Yemim''' |- | ZAF || ''South Africa''||'''Zafem''' |- | ZMB || ''Zambia''||'''Zumibam''' |- | ZWE || ''Zimbabwe''||'''Zuwem''' |} : The adjective for these Mirad country names can be formed by suffixing the adjective marker '''a''', eg: ::* '''Feram'''....''France'' ==> '''Ferama'''....''French'' ::* '''Usam'''....''United States'' ==> '''Usama'''....''American'' ::* '''Deum'''....''Germany'' ==> '''Deuma'''....''German'' : The inhabitant of a country is formed by changing the final '''m''' of the placename to '''t''' (meaning person), eg: ::* '''Feram'''....''French'' ==> '''Ferat'''....''a French person, a Frenchman'' : The names of country inhabitants can be pluralized and genderized, as other animate nouns, eg: ::* '''Ferat'''....''a French person'' ==> '''ha Ferati'''....''the French'' ::* '''Etohet'''....''an Ethiopian'' ==> '''Etohwat'''....''an Ethiopian male'' ::* '''Finit'''....''a Finn'' ==> '''Finiyt'''....''a Finnish woman'' : Do not confuse the adjectival name of a country with the language: '''Ferama''' refers to the country of ''France'', not the language ''French''. ''French'' the language is '''Ferad.''' ==== Continents ==== [[File:Continental models.gif|thumb]] : The word for ''continent'' in Mirad is '''yanmel''' (= "together-soil"). The names of the continents in Mirad are formed from the word '''yanmel''' with vectorial prefixes. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margn-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Continent Names |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''Ayanmal''' || ''North America'' |- | '''Oyanmel''' || ''South America'' |- | '''Iyanmel''' || ''Asia'' |- | '''Uyanmel''' || ''Europe'' |- | '''Eyanmel''' || ''Africa'' |- | '''Yoyanmel''' || ''Oceania'' |} : The adjective counterparts of these placenames are derived by suffixing '''-a''': :* '''Iyanmela'''....''Asian'' :* '''Uyanmela'''....''European'' : By appending '''-t(i)''' to the adjectival names, we get the inhabitants: :* '''Eyanmelat'''....''an African'' :* '''Ayanmelati'''....''North Americans'' : Note: <div style="background: lightyellow"> :* The ''Americas'' is expressed in Mirad with the hybrid word '''Aoyanmel''' (a combination of North and South America). :* ''Central America'' is expressed in Mirad by '''Zea Aoyanmel''' (''Central America'') :* The word '''Usam''' means ''United States of America'' or ''USA''. The word ''America'' by itself is not used in Mirad; only ''North America'' or ''South America''. :* The word '''Usamati''' is used for ''Americans'' when referring to inhabitants of the U.S. :* The word '''Ayanmelati''' is used to refer to North Americans (U.S. and Canada). :* The word '''Eyanmel-Usamat''', or more briefly, '''Eusamat''' is used for ''African American''. :* ''Latin America'' is expressed as '''Liada Oyanmel'''. :* ''A Latino, Latina, or Latinx'' in the U.S. is called '''Liadwut, Liaduyt, or Liadut'''. :* In some geographic systems, '''Ausom'''....''Australia'' is considered a continent. </div> : The word for ''island'' is '''yonmel''' (= ''separate land''). An islander is '''yonmelat'''. ==== Oceans ==== : The Mirad word for ocean is '''mimag'''. The ocean names are formed by prefixing a vectorial ordinal to the word '''mimag''': {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margn-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Ocean Names |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''Amimag''' || ''Arctic Ocean'' |- | '''Omimag''' || ''Southern Ocean'' |- | '''Imimag''' || ''Pacific Ocean'' |- | '''Umimag''' || ''Atlantic Ocean'' |- | '''Emimag''' || ''Indian Ocean'' |} ==== Compass Directions and Poles ==== : The compass directions ('''merizoni''') and poles ('''mernodi''') are as follows: ::* '''zamer'''....''north'' / '''zamera'''....''northern'' / '''zamernod'''....''north pole'' ::* '''zomer'''....''south'' / '''zomera'''....''southern'' / '''zomernod'''....''south pole'' ::* '''zimer'''....''east'' / '''zimera'''....''eastern'' ::* '''zumer'''....''west'' / '''zumera'''....''western'' : The words '''Yibzamer'''....''Arctic'' and '''Yibzomer'''...''Antarctic(a)'' both use the prefix '''yib'''....''far''. : Prefixing the directions with '''iz-'''....''due-'' yields: ::* '''iz zamer'''....''due north'' ::* '''iz zomer'''....''due south'', etc. : Directional words can be hybridized, eg: ::* '''zaomera'''....''north-south'' ::* '''zuimera'''....''east-west'' ::* '''zaumera'''....''north-west'' ::* '''zaimera'''....''north-east'' ==== Earth Grid Lines ==== : The earth grid lines ('''mernadi''') are as follows: ::* '''zamernad'''....''Arctic Circle'' ::* '''zomernad'''....''Antarctic Circle'' ::* '''zaomernad'''....''longitude'' ::* '''zuimernad'''....''latitude'' ::* '''zemernad'''....''equator'' :::* '''abzemernad'''....''Tropic of Capricorn'' :::* '''obzemernad'''....''tropic, Tropic of Cancer'' ::::* '''yizobzemernad'''....''subtropic'' ::* '''eymernad'''....''meridian'' ::* '''mamnad'''....''horizon'' ::* '''aonada'''....''vertical'' ::* '''uinada'''....''horizontal'' ::* '''zyenada'''....''perpendicular'' ==== Languages of the World ==== [[File:Wiktionary-logo.svg|thumb|]] : Mirad names of languages are based on either: ::* the name of the country most associated with the language (English < England, French < France), or: ::* the ISO 639-2 alpha-3 three-letter code. (See [[https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php|Library of Congress ISO639-2 Codes]]. : If formed from the country name, the language name is acquired by replacing the final '''m''' or the country name with '''d'''. For example, '''Enigem''' (''England''), becomes '''Eniged''' (''English''). See [[Mirad_Grammar#Countries of the World|Countries of the World]]. : If formed from the ISO 639-2 code, because their is no particular country associated with the language, the letters of the code are replaced with the Mirad lowercase alphabetic spells. The initial letter is capitalized and '''d''' is suffixed to the word. A Mirad alphabetic spell in the shape of consonant+vowel loses its vowel before a spell consisting of just a vowel. For example, '''ba''' + '''e''' becomes '''be'''. :{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Mirad Language Names |- ! ISO Language Name !! Country or ISO Code !! Mirad Language Name |- | Abkhazian || abk || '''Abakid''' |- | Afar || aar || '''Aarod''' |- | Afrikaans || '''Zafem'''....''South Africa'' || '''Zafed''' |- | Akan || aka || '''Akad''' (< a + ki + a +d, where ki + a = ka) |- | Albanian || '''Alibam'''....''Albania'' || '''Alibad''' |- | Amharic || amh || '''Amihed''' |- | Arabic || ara || '''Arad''' |- | Aragonese || arg || '''Aroged''' |- | Armenian || '''Aromim''' || '''Heyud''' |- | Assamese || asm || '''Asomid''' |- | Avaric || ava || '''Avad''' |- | Avestan || ave || '''Aved''' |- | Aymara || aym || '''Ayumid''' |- | Azerbaijani || '''Azem'''....''Azerbaijan'' || '''Azed''' |- | Bambara || bam || '''Bamid''' |- | Bashkir || bak || '''Bakirod''' |- | Basque || baq || '''Baqod''' |- | Belarusian || '''Balirom'''....''Belarusia'' || '''Balirod''' |- | Bengali || '''Bagedim'''....''Bangladesh'' || '''Bagedid''' |- | Bislama || bis || '''Bisod''' |- | Bosnian || '''Bihem'''....''Bosnia'' || '''Bihed''' |- | Breton || bre || '''Bared''' |- | Bulgarian || '''Bagerom'''....''Bulgaria'' || '''Bagerod''' |- | Burmese || '''Mimirom'''....''Miyanmar'' || '''Mimirod''' |} ...and so on... : The language names can be adjectivized by suffixing '''-a''', eg: ::* '''Eniged'''....''(the) English (language)'' ==> '''Enigeda'''....''(in the) English (language)'' ::* '''Hia Enigeda dreun se testiyofwa.'''....''This English language document is incomprehensible.'' : The language names can be verbalized with the addition of '''-der'''....''to say'', '''-daler'''....''to speak'', and '''-xer'''....''to translate into'', eg: ::* '''Ferad'''....''French'' ==> '''Ferader'''....''to say in French'' ::* '''Esopod'''....''Spanish'' ==> '''Esopodaler'''....''to speak Spanish'' ::* '''Arad'''....''Arabic'' ==> '''Aradxer'''....''to Arabicize/translate into Arabic'' ::* '''Ferad bayse gla Enigedxwasi.'''....''French has many Anglicizations.'' : The speaker of a language is created by adding '''-ut''' or '''-alut''', eg: ::* '''Eniged'''....''English'' ==> '''Enigedut (or) Enigedalut'''....''English speaker'' ::* '''Duven et Enigedale?'''....''Do you speak English?'' ::* '''Aradu hia dun.'''....''Say this word in Arabic.'' ::* '''At se Itadut/Itadalut.'''....''I am a speaker of Italian.'' : Specialized forms, dialects, levels, and regional variants of languages are expressed as follows: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Language Variants |- ! Variation Category !! Example |- | '''Ajna'''....''Old/Ancient'' || '''Ajna Eniged'''....''Old English, Anglo-Saxon'' |- | '''Ejoba'''....''Modern'' || '''Ejoba Perod'''....''Modern Persian, Farsi'' |- | '''Visauna'''....''Classical'' || '''Visauna Gerocad'''....''Classical Greek'' |- | '''Vyirina'''....''Puristic'' || '''Vyirina Gerocad'''....''Katharevousa (Puristic Greek)'' |- | '''Tyoda'''....''Vulgar/Popular/Demotic'' || '''Tyoda Latod'''....''Vulgar Latin''<br>'''Tyoda Gerocad'''....''Demotic Greek'' |- | '''Fyaxela'''....''Liturgical'' || '''Fyaxela Hebad'''....''Liturgical Hebrew'' |- | '''Fyadyesa'''....''Biblical'' || '''Fyadyesa Hebad'''....''Biblical Hebrew'' |- | '''Egona'''....''Standard'' || '''Ejoba Egona Arad'''....''Modern Standard Arabic'' |- | '''Egema'''....''Egyptian'' || '''Egema Arad'''....''Egyptian Arabic'' |- | '''Usoma'''....''American'' || '''Usoma Eniged'''....''American English'' |} : There are some languages with no ISO code that have to be formed in another way, in particular, Mirad itself. ::* '''Mirad'''....''Mirad'' ('''Mir'''....''world'') ::* '''Meurad'''....''Martian'' ('''Meur'''...''Mars'') ::* ''Celtic'', which is the name of a family of languages, is represented by the ISO code "cel" and is therefore called '''Celid''' in Mirad. ::* ''Indo-European'', with the code "ine", translates to '''Inied''' in Mirad. ==== Cities and Their Residents ==== : Here are some key cities, their adjectival forms, and inhabitants. The adjective can end in '''-a''' or '''-yena'''. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Cities and Their Residents |- ! City !! Adjective !! Inhabitant |- | '''Paris'''....''Paris'' || '''Paris<u>yena</u>'''....''Parisian'' || '''Paris<u>at</u>'''....''Parisian'' |- | '''Ejna York'''....''New York'' || '''Ejna York<u>a</u>'''....''of New York'' || '''Ejna York<u>at</u>'''....''New Yorker'' |- | '''Rom'''....''Rome'' || '''Rom<u>a</u>'''....''Roman'' || '''Rom<u>at</u>'''....''Roman'' |- | '''Beijing'''....''Beijing'' || '''Beijing<u>a</u>'''....''of Beijing'' || '''Beijing<u>at</u>'''....''resident of Beijing'' |- | '''Berlin'''....''Berlin'' || '''Berlin<u>a</u>'''....''from Berlin'' || '''Berlin<u>at</u>'''....''Berliner'' |} : Examples: :* '''Berlina diti dyunwe Berlinati.'''....''Berlin citizens are called Berliners.'' :* '''Bostonati bayse Bostonyena deus.'''....''Bostonians have a Bostonian accent.'' === Playing Cards Notation === : The playing card suits and prime denominations are: ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Playing Card Suits |- ! Mirad !! English !! Image |- | '''tiib''' || ''heart''|| <big>{{cards|h}}</big> |- | '''melukar''' || ''spade''|| <big>{{cards|s}}</big> |- | '''amez''' || ''diamond''|| <big>{{cards|d}}</big> |- | '''infayeb''' || ''club''|| <big>{{cards|c}}</big> |} ::{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ High Cards plus the Joker |- ! Mirad !! English !! Image |- | '''Az bi tiibi''' || ''ace of hearts''||[[File:Simple_h_a.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''Edweb bi melukari'''||''king of spades''||[[File:Simple_s_k.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''Edeyb bi amezi'''||''queen of diamonds''||[[File:Simple_d_q.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''Yuxtwobet bi infayebi''' || ''jack of clubs''||[[File:Simple_c_j.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''hihiduut''' || ''joker''|| [[File:Simple_jk_b.svg|40px|thumb]] |} : Some useful terms: ::* '''eker drafi'''....''to play cards'' ::* '''zyabuer ha drafi'''....''to deal the card'' ::* '''ebnapxer ha drafi'''....''to shuffle the cards'' ::* '''goler ha nyan'''....''to cut the deck'' ::* '''ujber'''....''to fold'' ::* '''durer'''....''to bid'' ::* '''lokoxer draf'''....''to turn over a card'' ::* '''lokoxer ota tuyab'''....''to show one's hand'' ::* '''abnabxer'''....''to trump'' ::* '''ekdrafnyan'''....''deck of cards'' ::* '''nab'''....''suit'' ::* '''joper nab'''...''to follow suit'' ::* '''kyesdraf'''....''wild card'' ::* '''abnaba draf'''....''trump card'' ::* '''ha yannas'''....''the pot'' ::* '''ha nax'''....''the ante'' ::* '''yaber ha nax'''....''to up/raise the ante'' === Chess Piece Nomenclature === {{chess diagram | tright | |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= 7 |pd|pd|pd|pd| |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | | | | | |= 5 | | | | |pd| | | |= 4 | | | | |pl|pl| | |= 3 | | | | | | | | |= 2 |pl|pl|pl|pl| | |pl|pl|= 1 |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl|bl|nl|rl|= a b c d e f g h | The King's Gambit }} : The game of chess is called '''xahifek''' in Mirad. : The chess pieces ('''xahifek goyni''') are as follows: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Chess Piece Names |- ! Mirad !! English !! Image |- | '''edweb''' || ''king'' || [[File:Chess_klt45.svg|thumb|30px]] |- | '''edeyb''' || ''queen'' || [[File:Chess_qlt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''efyaxeb''' || ''bishop'' || [[File:Chess_blt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''ekpetob''' || ''knight'' || [[File:Chess_nlt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''tamaz''' || ''rook'' || [[File:Chess_rlt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''melyexut''' || ''pawn'' || [[File:Chess_plt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |} : Some chess terms: ::* ''to checkmate''....'''xahpexer''' ::* ''Check!''....''Xah!'' ::* ''Checkmate!''....'''xahpexwa!''' ::* ''chess board''....'''xahifek seym, xahifek drof''' ::* ''to move a piece''....'''paxer goun''' ::* ''to capture a piece''....'''pixler goun''' ::* ''chess clock''....'''xahifek jwobar''' ::* ''chess set''....''xahifek gounyan'' ::* ''chess tournament''....'''xahifekanyan''' ::* ''chess player''....'''xehifekut''' ::* ''my turn''....'''ata zyuj''' ::* ''score''....'''aoksag''' ::* ''world champion''....'''miraklut''' === Botanical Nomenclature === : The plant world is a mighty big place and the names of all those flowers, fruits, vegetables, plants, etc. are very difficult to put into a rational naming scheme any better that the existing one using Latin appelations classified into phyla, classes, orders, families, genera, and species. This botanical world in Mirad, much like the system for coding the zoological world, is coded by a system of syllables that relate to the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Linnaean_taxonomy|international Linnaean taxonomy]. ==== Base Names ==== : So, in Mirad, botanical organism names have at their base the following words: ::* '''fab'''....trees :::* '''feb'''....''fruits and nuts'' ::* '''fayb'''....''vines and shrubs'' :::* '''feyb'''....''berries'' ::* '''vob'''....''crops'' ::* '''vol'''....''vegetables'' ::* '''veel'''....''legumes and beans'' ::* '''vos'''....''flowers'' ==== Specific Names ==== : To create more specific names, syllables derived from the Greco-Latin Linnaean Taxonomy, spelled to conform to Mirad pronuncation, are prefixed left-to-right onto one of the above base categories, with the left-most syllable representing the most specific taxon. So, for example, ''pine'' tree is rendered as '''pifab'''. The '''pi''' prefix is the first syllable of the family of pine trees ''<u>Pi</u>naceae''. The '''fab''' ending applies to all trees. To specify other trees in this family, other syllables are prepended, eg. ''cedar tree'' is '''<u>ce</u>pifab''' from ''Pianaceae <u>Ce</u>drus''. A ''cedar of Lebanon'' is '''<u>li</u>cepifab''' from the more specific ''Pinaceae Cedrus <u>li</u>bani''. : By constructing botanical terms this way, all pine trees can be listed by searching for all names ending in '''pifab'''. [[File:171 Magnolien.JPG|thumb|]] {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ '''Basic Botanical Terms''' |- |valign=top|'''fob'''....''plant''||valign=top|'''vob'''....''crop''||valign=top|'''vol'''....''vegetable''||valign=top|'''vos'''....''flower'' |- |valign=top|'''fab'''....''tree''<br>'''fayeb'''....''leaf''<br>'''faob'''....''wood''<br>'''fayob'''....''bark''||valign=top|'''vab'''....''grass''<br>'''vayob'''....''peel''|| ||'''vosayeb'''....''petal''<br>'''vosayob'''....''sepal'' |- |valign=top|'''feb'''....''fruit/nut''||valign=top|'''veb'''....''ear/tuft''<br>'''veeb'''....''seed''<br>'''veeyb'''....''grain''||valign=top|'''veel'''....''legume''||'''voseb'''....''capitulum'' |- |valign=top|'''fib'''....''trunk''||valign=top|'''vib'''....''stem'' || || '''vosib'''....''receptacle'' |- |valign=top|'''fub'''....''branch''||valign=top|'''vub'''....''blade''<br>'''vulob'''....''thorn'' || || |- |valign=top|'''fyob'''....''root''||valign=top|'''vyob'''....''tuber'' || || '''vosyob'''....''peduncle'' |} ===== Product Names ===== : Products derived from plants are formed with the following words: ::* '''-feil'''....''juice (from a pome)'' :::* '''licurufeil'''....''lemon juice'' < '''licirufeb'''....''lemon'' ::* '''-feel'''....''-ade'' :::* '''licirufeel'''....''lemonade'' < '''licirufeb'''....''lemon'' ::* '''-feyl'''....''juice (from a berry or bean)'' :::* '''kofeyl'''....''coffee'' < '''kofeyb'''....''coffee bean'' ::* '''-fayel'''....''leaf juice'' :::* '''tefayel'''....''tea'' < '''tefayeb'''....''tea leaf'' ::* '''-fil'''....''alcoholic drink/cider'' :::* '''zepofil'''....''bourbon whiskey'' < '''zepovob'''....''corn'' ::* '''-fyel'''....''oil/jam/syrup'' :::* '''frarofyel'''....''strawberry jam'' < '''frarofeyb'''....''strawberry'' ::* '''-fyeyl'''....''jelly'' :::* '''frarofyeyl'''....''strawberry jelly'' ::* '''-ol'''....''grounds/powder'' :::* '''sakol'''....''sugar'' < '''sakvob'''....''sugar cane'' : Individual derivations of these base words are formed exactly as the names of animals in the section [[Mirad_Grammar#Zoological_Nomenclature|Zoological Nomenclature]]. For example, an ''apple'' is from the <u>Ro</u>saceae family of trees, the genus being ''<u>Ma</u>lus''. So the word for ''apple'' becomes '''marofeb'''. ''Apple tree'' is '''marofab''' and ''apple juice'' is '''marofeil'''. Thus, ''apple cider'' is '''marofil'''. ===== Crops ===== : Crops are grassy plants that humans cultivate for clothing, food, medicine, or other social needs. Individual crop names are formed by prefixing the base '''vob''' with taxonomic syllables. [[File:Usdaemmer1.jpg|thumb|]] : The base words of this group are: ::* '''-vob'''....''crop'' ::* '''-vab'''....''grass'' ::* '''-vayeb'''....''leaf'' ::* '''-veb'''....''ear, cob, head, spike, tuft'' ::* '''-veeb'''....''seed, germ'' ::* '''-veel'''....''bean, legume'' ::* '''-veeyb'''....''grain, kernel, pip'' ::* '''-vib'''....''stem'' ::* '''-vub'''....''blade, sprig, twig'' ::* '''-vyob'''....''tuber'' ::* '''-vel'''....''edible product'' ::* '''-vil'''....''drinkable product, beer'' ::* '''-vyel'''....''syrup'' ::* '''-vol'''....''vegetable'' : From the above base words are derived these products, among others: ::* '''sakol'''....''sugar'' < '''sakvob'''....''sugarcane'' ::* '''povel'''....''bread'' < '''povob'''....''cereal'' ::* '''zepovyel'''....''corn syrup, corn oil'' < '''zepovob'''....''corn'' ::* '''zepovil'''....''whiskey, bourbon'' ::* '''sepovil'''....''rye whiskey'' < '''zepovob'''....''rye'' ::* '''povil'''....''beer'' ::* '''epovil'''....''ale'' ::* '''avpovob mekil'''....''oatmeal'' < '''avpovob'''....''oat'' ::* '''orpovob zyiglal'''....''rice cake'' < '''orpovob'''....''rice'' ::* '''mekuvol'''....''melon'' ===== Vegetables and Legumes ===== : Vegetables are crops grown by human for food. Individual vegetable names are formed by prefixing the base '''vol''' (''vegetable'') or '''veel''' (''legume, bean'') with classifier syllables derived from the international Linnean Taxonomy. Vegetables can consist of bulbs, flowers, fruits, fungi, leaves, roots, seeds, legumes, beans, or stalks. [[File:Hrushikesh kulkarni vegetables.JPG|thumb|]] {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Vegetables |- ! Edible Crop !! Taxonomy |- ! colspan=2| LEGUMES: EDIBLE SEEDS |- |'''faveel'''....''bean'' || ''Fabaceae Phaseolus vulgaris'' |- |'''lensfaveel'''....''lentil'' || ''Fabaceae Lens culinaris'' |- |'''glifaveel'''....''soybeen'' || ''Fabaceae Glycine max'' |- |'''vigfaveel'''....''black-eyed pea'' || ''Fabaceae Faseolus vigna unguiculata'' |- ! colspan=2 | Vegetables: Berries/Fruits |- |'''lisovol'''....''tomato'' || ''Solanaceae Solanum lycopersicum'' |- |'''mesovol'''....''eggplant'' || ''Solanaceae Solanum melongena'' |- |'''perlawvol'''....''avocado'' || ''Lauraceae Persea americana'' |- |'''sakuvol'''....''cucumber'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucumis sativus'' |- |'''cinasvol'''....''artichoke'' || ''Asteraceae Cynara cardunculus'' |- |'''akapsovol'''....''chili pepper'' || ''Solanaceae Capsicum annuum'' |- |'''abmalvol'''....''okra'' || ''Malvaceae Abelmoschus esculentus'' |- ! colspan=2 |bulbs |- |'''amalvol'''....''leek'' || ''Allium ampeloprasum'' |- |'''cepalvol'''....''onion'' || ''Allium cepa'' |- |'''alkalvol'''....''shallot'' || ''Alium ascalonicum'' |- |'''satalvol'''....''garlic'' || ''Allium sativum'' |- |'''zinvol'''....''ginger'' || ''Zingiberaceae Zingiber officinale'' |- |'''skoynalvol'''....''chive'' || ''Allium Schoenoprasum'' |- |'''foynapvol'''....''fennel'' || ''Apiaceae Phoenix dactylifera'' |- ! colspan=2 | melons/gourds |- |'''kuvol'''....''squash, gourd''|| ''Cucurbitaceae Cucurbita'' |- |'''makuvol'''....''pumpkin'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucurbita maxima'' |- |'''mekuvol'''....''melon, honeydew, cantaloupe'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucumis melon'' |- |'''cikuvol'''....''watermelon'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Citrullus lanatus'' |- |'''pekuvol'''....''zucchini'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucurbita pepo'' |- ! colspan=2 | Tubers/Root Vegetables |- |'''tusovol'''....''potato'' || ''Solanaceae Solanum tuberosum'' |- |'''betamvol'''....''beet, beetroot'' || ''Amaranthaceae Beta vulgaris'' |- |'''rafbravol'''....''radish''|| ''Brassicaceae Raphanus raphanistrum sativus'' |- |'''kadawapvol'''....''carrot''||''Apiaceae Daucus carota'' |- |'''nabravol'''....''turnip''|| ''Brassica napus'' |- |'''cinasvol'''....''artichoke'' || ''Asteraceae Cynara cardunculus'' |- |'''pasavol'''....''parsnip'' ||''Apiaceae Pastinaca sativa'' |- |'''eskolaravol'''....''taro'' ||''Araceae Colocasia esculenta'' |- |'''divol'''....''yam'' ||''Dioscoreaceae Dioscorea'' |- ! colspan=2| Leafy/Flowering Vegetables |- |'''bravol'''....''cabbage'' || ''Brassicaceae'' |- |'''botrolbravol'''....''cauliflower''||''Brassica oleracea botrytis'' |- |'''gemolbravol'''....''Brussels sprouts''|| ''Brassica oleracea gemmifera'' |- |'''valkavol'''....''corn salad, lamb's lettuce''|| ''Caprifocilaceae Valerianella locusta'' |- |'''lakasvol'''....''lettuce''|| ''Asteraceae Lactuta sative'' |- |'''spinamvol'''....''spinach'' || ''Amaranthaceae Spinancia oleracea'' |- |'''rupolivol'''....''sorrel''|| ''Polygonaceae Rumex acetosa'' |- |'''tarasvol'''....''mustard greens''|| ''Asteraceae Taraxacum officinale'' |- |'''itolbravol'''....''broccoli''|| ''Brassica Oleracea italica'' |- |'''abmalvol'''....''okra''|| ''Malvaceae Abelmoschus esculentus'' |- |'''petapvol'''....''parsley''|| ''Apiaceae Petroselinum crispum'' |- |'''basoclamvol'''....''basil''|| ''Lamiaceae Ocimum basilicum'' |- |'''orlamvol'''....''thyme''|| ''Lamiaceae Origanum vulgare'' |- |'''encivol'''....''chicory, endive''|| ''Cichorium endivia'' |- |'''nasbravol'''....''watercress''|| ''Brassicaceae Nasturtium officinale'' |- |'''korapvol'''....''coriander''|| ''Apiaceae Coridandrum sativum'' |- ! colspan=2 | Stalks |- |'''aspavol'''....''asparagus''|| ''Asparagaceae Asparagus officinalis'' |- |'''gravapvol'''....''celery''|| ''Apiaceae Apium graveolens'' |- |'''rewmpolivol'''....''rhubarb''|| ''Polygonaceae Rheum hybridum'' |- |'''kurzinvol'''....''turmeric''|| ''Zingiberaceae Curcuma longa'' |- |'''kokarvol'''....''heart of palm, swamp cabbage''|| ''Arecaceae Cocos'' |- |'''cimpovol'''....''lemongrass''|| ''Poaceae Cymbopogon'' |} ==== Common Flower Names ==== [[File:Madeira-flowers hg.jpg|thumb|]] ===== Flower Parts ===== : Flower names are built on the base name '''vos''', meaning ''flower''. First, here is a list of flower parts: ::* '''vosayob'''....''sepal'' ::* '''vosayeb'''....''petal'' ::* '''vosib'''....''receptacle'' ::* '''veeybpexus''' or '''vosmekibar'''....''stigma'' ::*'''vosij'''....''bud, flower bud'' ::* '''tooybgon'''....''pistil'' ::* '''veeybyan'''....''pollen'' ::* '''twoobgon'''....''stamen'' ::* '''twoobgonyif'''....''filament'' ::* '''veeybyem''' or '''vosmekuar'''....''anther'' ::* '''vosyob'''....''peduncle'' ===== Flower Names ===== [[File:Tulipa suaveolens floriade to Canberra.jpg|thumb|]] : Common flower names are generated by prefixing classifying syllables to the base '''vos''' that reflect the Linnaean taxonomic specification. Here are some examples: : '''<u>som</u>pavos'''....''opium poppy'' (''<u>Pa</u>paver <u>som</u>niferum'') : '''<u>mag</u>vos'''....''magnolia'' (''<u>Mag</u>noliaceae Magnolia'') : '''<u>or</u>vos'''....''orchid'' (''<u>Or</u>chidaceae Orchis'') : '''<u>krokir</u>vos'''....''crocus'' (''<u>Ir</u>idaceae <u>Cro</u>cus'') === Computer Terminology === [[File:Generic-office-desktop2.svg|thumb]] : This section will be ever-changing as new technology emerges. {| class="wikitable sortable collapsable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Computerese |- ! Mirad !! English |- |'''agna saibyan syaagir'''||''mainframe computer'' |- |'''absem syaagir'''||''desktop computer'' |- |'''agbanak'''||''byte'' |- |'''ajnexer'''||''to archive'' |- |'''amloagbanak'''||''megabyte'' |- |'''anay dyewa tax'''||''read-only memory, ROM'' |- |'''aota syaagir'''||''personal computer'' |- |'''aottuunyan'''||''profile'' |- |'''meys'''||''port'' |- |'''apaxler'''||''to swipe'' |- |'''aroagbanak'''||''kilobyte'' |- |'''baler buxnuf'''||''to press/hit a key'' |- |'''banak'''||''bit'' |- |'''agdresin kyoxea buxnuf'''||''caps lock key'' |- |'''buxnuf'''||''key'' |- |'''buxnufsemes'''||''keyboard'' |- |'''buxnufseym'''||''keypad'' |- |'''izeaxus'''||''cursor'' |- |'''byuxseym'''||''touchpad'' |- |'''datier'''||''to friend'' |- |'''dodrer ebdras'''||''to post a message'' |- |'''dota zeyni'''||''social media'' |- |'''ebdrer'''||''to text'' |- |'''dreun'''||''document'' |- |'''dreuzyufer'''||''to scroll, pan'' |- |'''droer naab'''||''to delete a file'' |- |'''drou buxnuf'''||''delete key'' |- |'''drur'''||''printer'' |- |'''drurer naab'''||''to print out a file'' |- |'''drurer'''||''to print out'' |- |'''druru mays buxnuf'''||''print screen key'' |- |'''drurun'''||''a printout'' |- |'''dunexlus'''||''word processor'' |- |'''dyessiyn'''||''bookmark'' |- |'''dyezier'''||''to take a movie'' |- |'''ebdayler'''||''to chat'' |- |'''ebdaylim'''||''chatroom'' |- |'''emojin'''||''emoji'' |- |'''ex buxnuf'''||''function key'' |- |'''exen vyaab'''||''operating system'' |- |'''extuundras'''||''program, application'' |- |'''extuundrasog'''||''app'' |- |'''extuunmul'''||''software'' |- |'''extuundrer'''||''to program'' |- |'''fuk'''||''bug'' |- |'''fukaya'''||''buggy'' |- |'''fukober'''||''to debug'' |- |'''garalyoagbanak'''||''petabyte'' |- |'''gelxer naab'''||''to copy a file'' |- |'''googler'''||''to google'' |- |'''gyia kyos yebiar'''||''solid state drive, SSD'' |- |'''gyia zyiun yebiar'''||''cd drive'' |- |'''haydren dyun'''||''login name'' |- |'''haydrer bay tuyubbal'''||''to log in with one's fingerprint'' |- |'''haydrer'''||''to log in'' |- |'''hoydrer'''||''to log out'' |- |'''huisteaxar'''||''browser'' |- |'''kyeteaxer'''||''to browse'' |- |'''hyux buxnuf'''||''alt key'' |- |'''iber naab'''||''to receive a file'' |- |'''ila mez sinuar, IMS'''||''liquid crystal display, LDC'' |- |'''izbex buxnuf'''||''control key'' |- |'''izbexdrof'''||''motherboard'' |- |'''kliker ab'''||''click on'' |- |'''kodun'''||''password'' |- |'''gawdyunxer naab'''||''to rename a file'' |- |'''kyabu buxnuf'''||''shift key'' |- |'''kyea yempuen tax'''||''random access memory, RAM'' |- |'''kyisier naab'''||''to download a file'' |- |'''kyisuer naab'''||''to upload a file'' |- |'''kyisuar'''||''charger'' |- |'''kyisuer'''||''to charge'' |- |'''lodatier'''||''to unfriend'' |- |'''makebdren'''||''email'' |- |'''makebdrer'''||''to email'' |- |'''man-oyebubea enmep sinuar, MOES'''||''LED'' |- |'''mansin dyes'''||''photo album'' |- |'''mis'''||''window'' |- |'''naab'''||''file'' |- |'''naedzyun'''||''trackball'' |- |'''nagonxar'''||''modem'' |- |'''neaf mansiniar'''||''web camera'' |- |'''nexer naab'''||''to save a file'' |- |'''num yibdalir'''||''cellphone'' |- |'''belyafwa syaagir'''||''laptop computer'' |- |'''ooggos'''||''microchip'' |- |'''oogteexar'''||''microphone'' |- |'''omijber'''||''to boot up'' |- |'''omola tyep, OT'''||''artificial intelligence, AI'' |- |'''gawomijber'''||''to reboot'' |- |'''paxer naab'''||''to move a file'' |- |'''paxyafwa yibdalir'''||''mobile phone'' |- |'''poxu zyumuf buxnuf'''||''scroll lock key'' |- |'''sagbexu buxnuf'''||''numlock key'' |- |'''sagseym'''||''number pad'' |- |'''sam'''||''console'' |- |'''saunesber naab'''||''to sort a file'' |- |'''semes syaagir'''||''tablet computer'' |- |'''sindren semes'''||''graphics tablet'' |- |'''sindrenyan exlen aun'''||''graphics processing unit, GPU'' |- |'''sines'''||''icon'' |- |'''sinuar'''||''screen, display, monitor'' |- |'''syaager'''||''to compute'' |- |'''syaagir'''||''computer'' |- |'''syaagirdal'''||''computerese'' |- |'''syaagirtun'''||''computer science'' |- |'''syaagnyed'''||''spreadsheet'' |- |'''taam mays'''||''home screen'' |- |'''taampu buxnuf'''||''home key'' |- |'''sirmul'''||''hardware, physical matter'' |- |'''taxdrer'''||''to record'' |- |'''taxmuf'''||''memory stick'' |- |'''teataxdrer'''||''to video'' |- |'''teataxdrun'''||''video'' |- |'''tuunnabyan'''||''database'' |- |'''tuyab izdar'''||''mouse'' |- |'''uber naab'''||''to send a file'' |- |'''uinig buxnuf'''||''tab key'' |- |'''utmansin'''||''selfie'' |- |'''yaybdreniv sindren dalzeyn (YSD)'''||''HTML'' |- |'''yeber'''||''to enter, insert'' |- |'''yebu buxnuf'''||''enter key, return key, insert key'' |- |'''yiga zyiun yebiar'''||''hard disk drive, HDD'' |- |'''yijber naab'''||''to open a file'' |- |'''yujber naab'''||''to close a file'' |- |'''yuzpemdrof'''||''circuitboard'' |- |'''zea exlen aun'''||''central processing unit, CPU'' |- |'''zoynigxu buxnuf'''||''backspace key'' |- |'''zyiun yebiar'''||''disk drive'' |} === Medical and Pharmaceutical Terminology === : This is a vast field where the limited morpheme aggregate of Mirad cannot serve to translate all the technical vocabulary. It will, therefore, translate only very common words and leave the rest in Greco-Latin as do many natural languages. ==== Medical Diseases ==== : Some common medical conditions can be readily be translated in Mirad using its existing set of morphemes, eg. ::* '''tiebalyoganbok'''....''asthma'' (lit: shortness of breath illness) ::* '''tiebbok'''....''pneumonia'' (lit: lung illness) ::* '''teibbok'''....''rhinitis'' (lit: nose illness) ::* '''tayibblok'''....''neuropathy'' (lit: nerve suffering) ::* '''tebbyoyk'''....''headache'' (lit: head ache) ::* '''teibzyegikanbok'''....''osteoporosis'' (lit: bone porosity illness) ==== Pharmaceuticals ==== : Medicines can be referred to by their trade names, some of which have been genericized. ::* '''aspirin'''....''aspirin'' ::* '''Ibupropen'''....''Ibupropen'' : Others can be translated by words indicating the purpose: ::* '''bukpoyxol, bukkyuxlol'''....''analgesic, painkiller'' (Lit: pain reliever) ::* '''tikebilokxol'''....''emetic'' (Lit: vomit-inducing-substance) : Less common drugs, and any drugs for that matter, can be referred to by the official International Nonproprietary Name (INN) (see [https://www.who.int/teams/health-product-and-policy-standards/inn|International Nonproprietary Names]). For example, ''phenobarbital''. In case a Greco-Roman name is used, the following pronunciation guide applies to Mirad: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ INN names pronunciation |- ! Greco-Roman<br>Spelling !! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- | ch || '''k''' |- | ph || '''f''' |- | x || '''ks''' |- | y || '''i''' |- | qu || '''kw''' |- | rh || '''r''' |- | th || '''t''' |- | ae || '''ay''' |- | oe || '''oy''' |- | c before i, e, or y || '''c''' |- | c otherwise || '''k''' |- | final e || silent |- | double consonant || single consonant |} : Examples: ::* '''acetaminophen'''....''a-ce-ta-mi-no-FEN'' ::* '''amphetamine'''....''am-fe-ta-MIN'' ::* '''trimethroprim'''....''tri-me-tro-PRIM'' ::* '''sulfamethoxazole'''....''sul-fa-me-to-ksa-ZOL'' ::* '''oxacillin'''....''o-ksa-ci-LIN'' === Mineral and Crystal Nomenclature === : Minerals end in '''-muk''' with a prefix related to the official 3-letter International Mineorological Association (IMA) symbol name (see [[Wikipedia:List_of_mineral_symbols|The Wikipedia List of Mineral Symbols]]). The IMA name is substituted with lower-case Mirad alphabetic spellings. For example: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Some Mineral Names |- ! English!! IMA Symbol !! Mirad Spellings !! Mirad Name |- | ''argyrodyte'' || Agy || '''a-ge-yu''' || '''ageyumuk''' |- |''brochantyte'' || Bct || '''ba-ca-to''' || '''bacatomuk''' |- |''chromite'' || Chr || '''ca-he-ro''' || '''caheromuk''' |} : There are some minerals having an IMA with a hyphenated suffix of one or two letters. In that case, the extra letters are added to the name (without the hyphen), eg.: ::* ''Lemmleinite-K'' (Lem-k) is '''liemikomuk''' in Mirad. : Crystals end in '''-mez'''. The first part of the word is an enumeration. : The common crystals are listed here: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Names of Common Crystals |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''mez''' || ''crystal'' |- | '''amez''' || ''diamond'' |- | '''emez''' || ''topaz'' |- | '''imez''' || ''ruby'' |- | '''umez''' || ''emerald'' |- | '''yomez''' || ''sapphire'' |- | '''yamez''' || ''lapis lazuli'' |- | '''yemez''' || ''amethyst'' |- | '''yimez''' || ''amber'' |- | '''yumez''' || ''quartz'' |- | '''alomez''' || ''opal'' |- | '''alamez''' || ''tourmaline'' |- | '''alemez''' || ''garnet'' |- | '''alimez''' || ''zirconia'' |- | '''alumez''' || ''jasper'' |- | '''alyomez''' || ''jade'' |- | '''alyamez''' || ''marganite'' |} : Other, less common crystals end in '''-mez''' and are formed from the Wikipedia list of mineral symbols. : General words for earthen matter: :* '''muk'''....''mineral'' :* '''muz'''....''ore'' :* '''mug'''....''metal'' :* '''mez'''....''crystal'' :* '''meg'''....''rock, stone'' ::* '''megog'''....''pebble'' ::* '''meges'''....''gravel'' :* '''mel'''....''soil'' :* '''meil'''....''mud'' :* '''mek'''....''dust'' :* '''miek'''....''sand'' :* '''mev'''....''porcelain'' :* '''mef'''....''brick'' ==== Rock Classification ==== : The naming of individual rock types is based on the [[https://www.bgs.ac.uk/download/bgs-rock-classification-scheme-igneous/| BGS Rock Classification Scheme ]]. : All rocks (other than the general word for ''rock'', '''meg''') end in one of the following suffixes, depending on the main type: ::* '''ameg'''....''sedimentary rock'' ::* '''emeg'''....''igneous rock'' ::* '''imag'''....''metamorphic rock'' : The names for obscure rocks are taken from the BGS Rock Classification Scheme. The final ''e'' is dropped from names that end in ''yte'' or ''ite''. For example, ''trachydacite'' in the scheme becomes '''trachydacit''' in Mirad. This word is then followed by one of the rock types above ('''emeg''' ''igneous rock''). So ''trachydacite'' becomes '''trachydacitemeg''' in Mirad. For obvious reason, all the thousands of rock names cannot be listed here or included in the Mirad dictionary. :The word '''meg''' ''rock'' has some common derivatives: ::* '''megag'''....''boulder'' ::* '''meg'''....''stone'' ::* '''megog'''....''pebble'' ::* '''meges'''....''gravel'' ::* '''megyel'''....''cement, asphalt, bitumen'' :::* '''megyelyig'''....''concrete'' ::* '''megil'''....''lava'' ::* '''meggos'''....''crag'' ::* '''megyig'''....''flintstone, basalt'' ::* '''meag'''....''marble'' ::* '''meeg'''....''slate'' ::* '''meig'''....''granite'' ::* '''meug'''....''clay, dough'' ::* '''meyog'''....''china'' ::* '''meyag'''....''chalk'' :::* '''meyaz'''....''pastel'' :::* '''meyayg'''....''calcite'' ::* '''meyeg'''....''limestone, sediment'' ::* '''meyig'''....''alabaster'' ::* '''meyug'''....''gypsum'' ::* '''mealog'''....''sandstone, stoneware'' ::* '''mameg'''....''coal'' :::* '''eymameg'''....''coke'' :::* '''maameg'''....''anthracite'' :::* '''maemeg'''....''peat'' :::* '''maimeg'''....''lignite'' : Related are: ::* '''mek'''....''dust'' :::* '''mekes'''....''grit'' :::* '''mekil'''....''grout'' :::* '''meyk'''....''grit'' ::* '''myek'''....''powder'' ::* '''miek'''....''sand'' ::* '''mieg'''....''coral'' ::* '''mel'''....''dirt'' ::* '''muk'''....''mineral'' ::* '''meil'''....''mud'' ::* '''mez'''....''crystal'' :::* '''meyz'''....''spar'' :::* '''meyzag'''....''feldspar'' ::* '''muz'''....''ore'' ::* '''memol'''....''alkali'' ::* '''mimol'''....''salt'' ::* '''mef'''....''brick'' === Metric Nomenclature === [[File:Conversion Factors.png|thumb|]] : Mirad uses the [[Wikt:International System of Units (SI)|International System of Units (SI)]]) for rendering measurement units. These symbols are pronounced as if you were spelling each letter out (see [[Mirad_Grammar/Alphabet]]. Bear in mind that majuscules (uppercase letters are prefaced with the word '''ag-''' (''big''). Similarly, Greek letters are spelled with the Greek names ('''alpha''', '''gamma''', etc.) preceded with the word '''ag-''' if majuscule ('''aggamma''' for ''&Gamma;'') The Mirad equivalent of the SI symbol for ''ohm'' (Ω) is '''agomega'''. All metric units end in the word '''nak'''. ==== SI Base Units ==== :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>SI base units</big> |- !English<br>Unit<br>Name !Symbolic<br>Abbeviation !Quantity<br>Unit !Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- !second |style="text-align:center" |s |time |style="text-align:center" |'''sonak''' |- !meter |style="text-align:center" |m |length |style="text-align:center" |'''minak''' |- !kilogram |style="text-align:center" |kg |mass |style="text-align:center" |'''kigenak''' |- !ampere |style="text-align:center" |A |electric current |style="text-align:center" |'''aganak''' |- !kelvin |style="text-align:center" |K |thermodynamic temperature |style="text-align:center" |'''agkinak''' |- !Mole |style="text-align:center" |mol |amount of substance |style="text-align:center" |'''miolinak''' |- !candela |style="text-align:center" |cd |luminous intensity |style="text-align:center" |'''cadanak''' |} ==== SI Derived Units ==== : Here are SI derived units with special names and symbols: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>SI derived units with special names and symbols</big> |- ! English<br>Name ! Symbolic<br>Written<br>Abbreviation ! Quantity<br>Unit ! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- |'''radian''' | align="center" | rad | plane angle | align="center" |'''roadanak''' |- |'''steradian''' | align="center" | sr | solid angle | align="center" |'''soronak''' |- |'''hertz''' | align="center" | Hz | frequency | align="center" |'''aghezunak''' |- |'''newton''' | align="center" | N | force, weight | align="center" |'''agninak''' |- | '''pascal''' | align="center" | Pa | pressure, stress | align="center" | '''agpoanak''' |- | '''joule''' | align="center" | J | energy | align="center" | '''agjinak''' |- | '''watt''' | align="center" | W | power | align="center" | '''agwunak''' |- | '''coulomb''' | align="center" | C | electric charge | align="center" |'''agcanak''' |- | '''volt''' | align="center" | V | electrical potential difference | align="center" | '''agvunak''' |- | '''farad''' | align="center" | F | capacitance | align="center" | '''agfenak''' |- | '''ohm''' | align="center" | Ω | electrical resistance | align="center" | '''agomeganak''' |- | '''Siemens''' | align="center" | S | electrical conductance | align="center" | '''agsonak''' |- | '''Weber''' | align="center" | Wb | magnetic flux | align="center" | '''agwubanak''' |- | '''tesla''' | align="center" | T | magnetic flux density | align="center" | '''agtonak''' |- | '''henry''' | align="center" | H | inductance | align="center" | '''aghenak''' |- | '''degree Celsius''' | align="center" | °C | temperature | align="center" | '''nogagcanak''' |- | '''lumen''' | align="center" | lm | luminous flux | align="center" | '''liminak''' |- | '''lux''' | align="center" | lx | illuminance | align="center" | '''lixunak''' |- | '''becquerel''' | align="center" | Bq | radioactivity | align="center" | '''agbakonak''' |- | '''gray''' | align="center" | Gy | absorbed dose (of ionizing radiation) | align="center" | '''aggeyunak''' |- | '''sievert''' | align="center" | Sv | equivalent dose (of ionizing radiation) | align="center" | '''agsovunak''' |- | '''katal''' | align="center" | kat | catalytic activity | align="center" | '''kiatonak''' |- | '''byte''' | align="center" | B | 8 bits of information | align="center" | '''agbanak''' |- | '''bit''' | align="center" | b | one bit of information | align="center" | '''banak''' |} : Also, here are some non-SI units that are very convenient and acceptable: ==== Convenient Non-SI Units ==== ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>Convenient non-SI units</big> |- ! English<br>Name ! Symbolic<br>Written<br>Abbreviation ! Quantity<br>Unit ! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- |'''litre''' | align="center" | L | volume | align="center" |'''aglinak''' |- |'''hectare''' | align="center" | ha | area | align="center" |'''heabak''' |- |'''ton''' | align="center" | t | area | align="center" |'''tonak''' |- |'''decibel''' | align="center" | dB | loudness | align="center" |'''daagbanak''' |} ==== Metrical Formulae ==== : The following chart shows how in Mirad to pronounce coherent derived unit formulae in terms of base units. Note that the backslash means ''per'' or ''divided by'' and is pronounced '''gol'''. The symbol x means ''times'' and is pronounced '''gal'''. The superscript number is a power and is pronounced '''gar''' plus the number (with '''-wa''', if a unit number). The negative superscript number is pronounced '''gor''' plus the number (again, with '''-wa''' if a unit number). See [[Mirad Grammar/Determiners#Arithmetical Expressions|Arithmetical Expressions]] for further information on these terms. ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>Examples of coherent derived units in terms of base units</big> |- ! Name ! Symbolic<br>Formula ! Derived<br>Quantity ! Typical <br>Symbol ! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- | '''square meter''' | align="center" | m² | area | align="center" |{{math|''A''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gar-ewa''' |- | '''cubic meter''' | align="center" | m³ | volume | align="center" | {{math|''V''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''meter per second''' | align="center" | m/s | speed, velocity | align="center" | {{math|''v''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gol-so''' |- | '''meter per second squared''' | align="center" | m/s² | acceleration | align="center" | {{math|''a''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gol-so-gar-ewa''' |- |rowspan=2| '''reciprocal meter''' |rowspan=2 align="center" | m⁻¹ | wavenumber | align="center" | {{math|''σ''}}, {{math|''ṽ''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gor-awa''' |- | vergence (optics) | align="center" | {{math|''V''}}, 1/{{math|''f''}} |- | '''kilogram per cubic meter''' | align="center" | kg/m³ | density | align="center" | {{math|''ρ''}} | align="center" | '''kige-gol-mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''kilogram per square meter''' | align="center" | kg/m² | surface density | align="center" | {{math|''ρ''}}_A | align="center" | '''kige-gol-mi-gar-ewa''' |- | '''cubic meter per kilogram''' | align="center" | m³/kg | specific volume | align="center" | {{math|''v''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gar-iwa-gol-kige''' |- | '''ampere per square meter''' | align="center" | A/m² | current density | align="center" | {{math|''j''}} | align="center" | '''aga-gol-mi-gar-ewa''' |- | Amperes per meter|'''ampere per meter''' | align="center" | A/m | magnetic field strength | align="center" | {{math|''H''}} | align="center" | '''aga-gol-mi''' |- | '''mole per cubic meter''' | align="center" | mol/m³ | concentration | align="center" |{{math|''c''}} | align="center" | '''mioli-gol-mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''kilogram per cubic meter''' | align="center" | kg/m³ | Mass concentration (chemistry)|mass concentration | align="center" | {{math|''ρ''}}, {{math|''γ'' }} | align="center" | '''kige-gol-mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''candela per square meter''' | align="center" | cd/m² | luminance | align="center" | {{math|''L''}}_v | align="center" | '''cada-gol-mi-gar-ewa''' |} ==== Metric Micro and Macro Prefixes ==== : The SI has a whole list of prefixes that act as multipliers (macro) or dividers (micro) of the above and other measurement units. For example, a ''kilometer'' is a meter times a 1,000 (macro unit), whereas a millimeter is a meter divided by a 1,000 (micro unit). The SI symbol for ''b'' (byte) is pronounced '''ba''' in Mirad. A terabyte ( ''Tb'') is therefore pronounced '''ag-to-ba''', which This amounts ''10¹² bytes''. Here is a table showing the Mirad macro and micro prefixes: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Scalar Metrics |- ! colspan=4 | Macro !! colspan=4 | Micro |- ! Base<br>10!! US/UK Name!!Mirad Prefix<br>SI Prefix<br><br>Mirad Pron. !!SI Symbol !! Base<br>10 !! (US/UK Name) !! Mirad Prefix<br>SI Prefix !! SI Symbol<br><br>Mirad Pron. |- | 1 || one || '''an-''' ... ''mono-, uni-'' || ||1/1 ||whole || '''ayn-'''<br>''holo-, uni-'' || |- | 2 ||two || '''en-'''<br>''bi-'' || || 1/2 ||half||'''eyn-'''<br>''demi-, di-''|| |- | 3 ||three || '''in-'''<br>''tri-'' || || 1/3 ||third ||'''iyn-'''<br>''terci-''|| |- | 4 ||four || '''un-'''<br>''tetra-'' || || 1/4 ||fourth || '''uyn-'''<br>''quadri-''|| |- | 5 ||five || '''yoon-''' <br>''penta-'' || || 1/5 ||fifth ||'''yoyn'''<br>''quinti-''|| |- | 6 ||six || '''yaon-'''<br>''hexa-'' || || 1/6 ||sixth ||'''yayn'''<br>''sexti-''|| |- | 7 ||seven || '''yen-'''<br>''hepta-'' || || 1/7 ||seventh || '''yeyn'''<br>''septi-''|| |- | 8 ||eight || '''yin'''<br>''octo-'' || || 1/8 ||eighth || '''yiyn'''<br>''octi-''|| |- | 9 ||nine || '''yun'''<br>''nona-'' || || 1/9 ||ninth || '''yuyn'''<br>''novi-''|| |- | 10 ||ten || '''alo-'''<br>''deca-'' || ''da''<br>'''da-a-''' || 1/10 ||tenth || '''aloy-'''<br>''deci-''|| ''d''<br>'''da-''' |- | 10² ||hundred || '''aso-'''<br>''hexa-'' || ''h''<br>'''hi-''' || 10^-2 ||hundredth || '''asoy-'''<br>''centi-''|| ''c''<br>'''ca-''' |- | 10³ ||thousand || '''amso-'''<br>''kilo-'' ||''k''<br>'''ki-''' || 10^-3 ||thousandth)|| '''amsoy-'''<br>''milli-''|| ''m''<br>'''mi-''' |- | 10⁶ ||million || '''amlo-'''<br>''mega-'' || ''M''<br>'''agmi-''' || 10^-6 ||millionth || '''amloy-'''<br>''micro-''|| ''r''<br>'''ro-''' |- | 10⁹ ||billion /milliard || '''amro-'''<br>''giga-'' || ''G''<br>'''agge-''' || 10^-9 ||billionth/ milliardth || '''amroy-'''<br>''nano-''|| ''n''<br>'''ni-''' |- | 10¹² ||trillion /billion || '''garale-'''<br>''tera-'' || ''T''<br>'''agto-''' || 10^-12 ||trillionth / billionth)|| '''gorale-'''<br>''pico-''|| ''p''<br>'''po-''' |- | 10¹⁵ ||quadrillion)/ billiard|| '''garalyo-'''<br>''peta-'' || ''P''<br>'''agpo-'''||10^-15 ||quadrillionth) / billiardth || '''goralyo-'''<br>''femto-''||''f''<br>'''fe-''' |- | 10¹⁸ ||quintillion / trillion || '''garalyu-'''<br>''exa-'' || ''E''<br>'''age-'''||10^-18 ||quintillionth)/ trillionth || '''goralyu'''<br>''atto-''||''a''<br>'''a-''' |- | 10²¹ ||sextillion)/ trilliard || '''garela-'''<br>''zetta-'' || ''Z''<br>'''agzu-'''||10^-21 ||sextillionth / trilliardth || '''gorela'''<br>''zepto-''||''z''<br>'''zu-''' |- | 10²⁴ ||septillion)/ quadrillion || '''garelu-'''<br>''yotta-'' || '' Y''<br>'''agyu''' ||10^-27 ||septillionth / quadrillionth|| '''gorelu'''<br>''yocto-''||''y''<br>'''yu-''' |} : *Note: The '''gar''' (''to a plus power'') and '''gor''' (''to a minus power'') forms are alternatives for the numeric prefixes beyond 100. For example, ''billion'' (10⁹) could be expressed as '''garyu-'''(ten) to the 9th power'', while ''billionth'' could be expressed by '''goryu''' (''(ten) to the minus 9th power). The prefix '''garya-''' is composed of the positive exponential operator '''gar''' (''to the power of''), followed by the number ''6''. The prefix '''gorale-''' is composed of the negative exponential operator '''gor''' (''to the root of''), followed by the number ''12''. ==== Abbreviated Symbols ==== : The macro and micro values can also be represented with abbreviated symbols, which can be pronounced in Mirad as spelled out alphabetics. Upper case equivalents are preceded with '''ag-'''. Here is a table showing grams: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Kg Metrics With Abbreviated Symbols |- ! colspan=2 | Macro !! colspan=2 | Micro |- ! Symbol (Expansion) !! Mirad Pronunciation !! Symbol (Expansion) !! Mirad Pronunciation |- | ''dag'' (decagram)|| '''daage''' || ''dg'' |(decigram)||'''dage''' |- | ''hg'' (hexagram)|| '''hege''' || ''cg'' (centigram)||'''cage''' |- | ''kg'' (kilogram) || '''koge''' || ''mg'' (milligram) ||'''mige''' |- | ''Mg'' (megagram)|| '''agmige''' ||''rg'' or '''μg''' (microgram)|| '''roge''' or '''muge''' |- | ''Gg'' (gigagram)|| '''aggege''' || ''ng'' (nanogram)|| '''nige''' |- | ''Tg'' (teragram)|| '''agtoge''' || ''pg'' (picagram)|| '''poge''' |- | ''Pg'' ( petagram)|| '''agpoge''' || ''fg'' (femtogram)|| '''fege''' |- | ''Eg'' (exagram)|| '''agege''' || ''ag'' (attogram)|| '''age''' |- | ''Zg'' (zettagram)|| '''agzege''' || ''zg'' (zeptogram) || '''zege''' |- | ''Yg'' (yottagram)|| '''agyuge''' || ''yg'' (yoctogram) || '''yuge''' |} : The squared and cubed representations of the above are followed by '''gar ewa''' (''squared'') and '''gar iwa''' (''cubed''), respectively: ::* '''10 kg2'''....(pronounced as:) ''alo koge gar ewa'' ::* '''12 mm3'''....(pronounced as:) ''ale mimi gar iwa'' === Trigonometric Nomenclature === : This table shows trigonometry functions and their equivalents in Mirad. The function symbols are translated into Mirad by a succession of the pronounced Mirad values of the function abbreviation followed by '''-naz''' (''value''). :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Trigonometry Functions |- ! Function (Symbol) !! Mirad Technical Name !! Mirad Ordinary Name |- | ''sine (sin)'' || '''soini-naz''' || '''uznaz''' |- | ''cosine (cos)'' || '''caoso-naz''' || '''yanuznaz''' |- | ''arccosine (arccos, cos^-1)''<br>''anticosine''<br>''inverse cosine''|| '''arocacaoso-naz''' || '''ovuznaz''' |- | ''hyperbolic sine (sinh)'' || '''soinihe-naz'''|| '''enuza uznaz''' |- | ''hyperbolic cosine (cosh)'' || '''caosohe-naz''' || '''enuza yanuznaz''' |- | ''secant (sec)'' || '''soeca-naz''' || '''golus naz''' |- | ''cosecant (csc)'' || '''casoca-naz''' || '''yangolus naz''' |- | ''arccosecant (arccsc)'' || '''arocacasoca-naz''' || '''enuza yangolus naz''' |} === Poetry Nomenclature === : Mirad uses the nonsense syllables '''di''' and '''da''' to form various poetic meter words that usually are formed with Greek words in English. The syllable '''di''' represents an ''unstressed'' syllable in verse, while the syllable '''da''' denotes a ''stressed'' syllable. These are hyphenated and followed with a space and the word '''deup''' as a noun, which means ''meter'' or ''rhythm''. The adjectival form of the word ends in '''deupa'''. Here are the most common poetic meters: ::* '''di-da deupa'''.... iambic :::* '''di-da yoondeup'''.... ''iambic pentameter'' ::* '''di-di-da deupa'''.... ''anapestic'' ::* '''di-da-da deupa'''.... ''bacchius'' ::* '''da-da deupa'''.... ''spondaic'' ::* '''da-da-da deupa'''.... ''molossus'' ::* '''da-da-di deupa'''.... ''antibacchius'' ::* '''da-di deupa'''.... ''tochaic'' :::* '''da-di deup'''.... ''trochee, choree'' ::* '''da-di-da deupa'''.... ''cretic, amphimacer'' ::* '''da-di-di deupa'''.... ''dactylic'' ::* '''da-di-di yaondeup'''.... ''dactylic hexameter'' ::* '''da-di-di-da deupa'''.... ''amphibrachic'' : Other words representing elements of poetry are: ::* '''drez'''....''poetry, verse'' :::* '''dreza'''....''poetic'' :::* '''drezyen'''....''poesy'' :::* '''drezyan'''....''anthology'' (of poetry) :::* '''drezut'''....''poet'' ::::* '''drezuyt'''....''poetess'' ::::* '''popdrezut'''....''minstrel'' ::::* '''Vikinga drezut'''....''skald'' ::::* '''dreuzut'''....''bard'' :::* '''odrez'''....''prose'' :::* '''vyasma drez'''....''concrete verse'' :::* '''tyoda drez'''....''folk poetry'' :::* '''indeupa drez'''....''trimeter'' :::* '''undeupa drez'''....''tetrameter'' :::* '''yoondeupa drez'''....''pentameter'' :::* '''yaondeupa drez'''....''hexameter'' :::* '''yendeupa drez'''....''heptameter'' :::* '''yindeupa drez'''....''octameter'' :::* '''ogelseuxwa drez'''....''blank verse'' :::* '''yiva drez'''....''free verse'' :::* '''drezun'''....''poem'' ::::* '''deuzwa drezun'''....''sung poem, lay'' ::::* '''dindrezun'''....''ballad'' ::::* '''dizdrezun'''....''limerick'' ::::* '''fiddrezun'''....''ode'' ::::* '''fizdrezun'''....''epic poem'' ::::* '''haikudrezun'''....''haiku'' ::::* '''viysindrezun'''....''idyll'' ::::* '''ifondrezun'''....''love poem, romantic poem'' ::::* '''indrezun'''....''terzain'' ::::* '''jodrezun'''....''epode'' ::::* '''yindrezun'''....''sistina'' ::::* '''klerihyudrezun'''....''clerihew'' ::::* '''meimdrezun'''....''pastoral'' ::::* '''melyexdrezun'''....''georgic'' ::::* '''petnyanuta drezun'''....''pastoral, eclogue'' ::::* '''popduzuta drezun'''....''troubadour poem'' ::::* '''rondodrezun'''....''rondeau, rondel, roundel'' ::::* '''seuz drezun'''....''sound poem'' ::::* '''tadyandrezun'''....''prothalamion, epithalamion'' ::::* '''tankadrezun'''....''tanka'' ::::* '''taxdrezun'''....''epitaph'' ::::* '''tuddrezun'''....''nursery rhyme'' ::::* '''ulondrezun'''....''sonnet'' ::::* '''ujdreznadeon'''....''envoi'' ::::* '''undrezun'''....''quatrain'' ::::* '''unnad drezun'''....''tetrastich'' ::::* '''uvdrezun'''....''elegy'' ::::* '''alyundrezun'''....''villanelle'' ::::* '''virelaydrezun'''....''virelai, virelay'' ::::* '''yizivtos drezun'''....''rhapsody'' ::::* '''yoondrezun'''....''quintain'' ::* '''dreznad'''....''line, -stich, verse'' :::* '''eyndreznad'''...''hemistich'' :::* '''endreznad'''....''couplet'' ::* '''dreznadyan'''....''stanza'' ::* '''gelseux'''....''rhyme'' :::* '''gelseuxyen'''....''rhyme scheme'' :::* '''dunija gelseuxen'''....''alliteration'' ::* '''seuxzoyxen'''....''assonance'' ::* '''geyldyan'''....''simile'' ::* '''yiztyun'''....''metaphor'' ::* '''yanseuzan'''....''consonance'' ::* '''deup'''....''rhythm, beat, metrical foot, meter'' ::* '''kyib'''....''stress'' ::* '''seuz'''....''tone'' === Dimensional Nomenclature === : This chart shows adjectives that describe dimensional relationships: {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow" |+ Dimensional Words |- ! Positive !! Intermediate !! Negative |- | '''yaba'''....''high(er)'' || '''yeba'''....''inner'' || '''yoba'''....''low(er)'' |- | '''yaiba'''....''tall'' || '''yeiba'''....''deep inside'' || '''yoiba'''....''deep (down)'' |- | '''yauba'''....''short'' || '''yeuba'''....''a short way in'' || '''youba'''....''shallow'' |- | '''yaga'''....''long'' || || '''yoga'''....''short'' |- | '''yiba'''....''far'' || || '''yuba'''....''near'' |- | '''aonada'''....''vertical'' || || '''uinada'''....''horizontal'' |- | '''kia'''....''diagonal'' || || '''kua'''....''lateral'' |- | '''zyia'''....''flat'' || || '''zyua'''....''round'' |- | '''yaza'''....''concave'' || '''yeza'''....''flush'' || '''yoza'''....''convex'' |} === Geologic Period Nomenclature === : The principal geochronologic units of the geologic time scale, from largest to smallest, are: :** '''joob'''....''eon'' :*** '''ajoob'''....''Hadean Eon'' :*** '''ejoob'''....''Archean Eon'' :*** '''ijoob'''....''Proterozoic Eon'' :*** '''ujoob'''....''Phanerozoic Eon'' :** '''joab'''....''era'' :*** '''ajoab'''....''Eoarchean Era'' :*** '''ejoab'''....''Paleoarchean Era'' :*** '''ijoab'''....''Mesoarchean Era'' :*** '''ujoab'''....''Neoarchean Era'' :*** '''yojoab'''....''Paleoproterozoic Era'' :*** '''yajoab'''....''Mesoproterozoic Era'' :*** '''yejoab'''....''Neoproterozoic Era'' :*** '''yijoab'''....''Paleozoic Era'' :*** '''yujoab'''....''Mesozoic Era'' :*** '''alojoab'''....''Cenozoic Era'' :** '''joeb'''....''period'' :*** '''ajoeb'''....''Siderian Period'' :*** '''ejoeb'''....''Rhyacian Period'' :*** '''ijoeb'''....''Orosirian Period'' :*** '''ujoeb'''....''Statherian Period'' :*** '''yojoeb'''....''Calymmian Period'' :*** '''yajoeb'''....''Ectasian Period'' :*** '''yejoeb'''....''Stenian Period'' :*** '''yijoeb'''....''Tonian Period'' :*** '''yujoeb'''....''Cryogenian Period'' :*** '''alojoeb'''....''Ediacaran Period'' :*** '''alajoeb'''....''Cambrian Period'' :*** '''alejoeb'''....''Ordovician Period'' :*** '''alijoeb'''....''Silurian Period'' :*** '''alujoeb'''....''Devonian Period'' :*** '''alyojoeb'''....''Carboniferous Period'' :*** '''alyajoeb'''....''Permian Period'' :*** '''alyejoeb'''....''Triassic Period'' :*** '''alyijoeb'''....''Jurassic Period'' :*** '''alyujoeb'''....''Cretaceous Period'' :*** '''elojoeb'''....''Paleogene Period'' :*** '''elajoeb'''....''Neogene Period'' :*** '''elejoeb'''....''Quarternary Period'' :** '''joib'''....''epoch'' :*** '''ajoib'''....''Terreneuvian Epoch'' :*** '''ejoib'''....''Series 2 Epoch'' :*** '''ijoib'''....''Miaolingian Epoch'' :*** '''ujoib'''....''Furongian Epoch'' :*** '''yojoib'''....''Lower Epoch'' :*** '''yajoib'''....''Middle Epoch'' :*** '''yejoib'''....''Upper Epoch'' :*** '''yijoib'''....''Llandovery Epoch'' :*** '''yujoib'''....''Wenlock Epoch'' :*** '''alojoib'''....''Ludlow Epoch'' :*** '''alajoib'''....''Pridoli Epoch'' :** '''joub'''....''age'' :*** '''ajoub'''....''Fortunian Age'' :*** '''ejoub'''....''Stage 2 Age'' :*** '''ijoub'''....''Stage 3 Age'' :*** '''ujoub'''....''Stage 4 Age'' :*** '''yojoub'''....''Wulian Age'' :*** '''yajoub'''....''Drumian Age'' :*** '''yejoub'''....''Guzhangian Age'' :*** '''yijoub'''....''Paibian Age'' :*** '''yujoub'''....''Jianshanian Age'' :*** '''alojoub'''....''Stage 10 Age'' :*** '''alajoub'''....''Temadocian Age'' :*** '''alejoub'''....''Floian Age'' :*** '''alijoub'''....''Dapingian Age'' :*** '''alujoub'''....''Darriwilian Age'' :*** '''alyojoub'''....''Sandbian Age'' :*** '''alyajoub'''....''Katian Age'' :*** '''alyejoub'''....''Hirnantian Age'' :*** '''alyijoub'''....''Rhuddanian Age'' :*** '''alyujoub'''....''Aeronian Age'' :*** '''elojoub'''....''Telychian Age'' :*** '''elajoub'''....''Cheinwoodian Age'' :*** '''elejoub'''....''Homerian Age'' :*** '''elijoub'''....''Gorstian Age'' :*** '''elujoub'''....''Ludfordian Age'' :*** '''elyojoub'''....''Pridoli Age'' :*** '''elyajoub'''....''Lochkovian Age'' :*** '''elyejoub'''....''Pragian Age'' :*** '''elyijoub'''....''Emsian Age'' :*** '''elyujoub'''....''Eifelian Age'' :*** '''ilojoub'''....''Givetian Age'' :*** '''ilajoub'''....''Frasnian Age'' :*** '''ilejoub'''....''Famennian Age'' :*** '''ilijoub'''....''Tournaisian Age'' :*** '''ilujoub'''....''Visean Age'' :*** '''ilyojoub'''....''Serpukhovian Age'' :*** '''ilyajoub'''....''Bashkirian Age'' :*** '''ilyejoub'''....''Moscovian Age'' :*** '''ilyijoub'''....''Kasimovian Age'' :*** '''ilyujoub'''....''Gzhelian Age'' :*** '''ulojoub'''....''Asselian Age'' :*** '''ulajoub'''....''Sakmarian Age'' :*** '''ulejoub'''....''Artinskian Age'' :*** '''ulijoub'''....''Kungurian Age'' :*** '''ulujoub'''....''Roadian Age'' :*** '''ulyojoub'''....''Wordian Age'' :*** '''ulyajoub'''....''Capitanian Age'' :*** '''ulyejoub'''....''Wuchiapingian Age'' :*** '''ulyijoub'''....''Changhsingian Age'' :*** '''ulyujoub'''....''Induan Age'' :*** '''yolojoub'''....''Olenekian Age'' :*** '''yolajoub'''....''Anisian Age'' :*** '''yolejoub'''....''Ladnian Age'' :*** '''yolijoub'''....''Carnian Age'' :*** '''yolujoub'''....''Norian Age'' :*** '''yolyojoub'''....''Rhaetian Age'' :*** '''yolyajoub'''....''Hettangian Age'' :*** '''yolyejoub'''....''Sinemurian Age'' :*** '''yolyijoub'''....''Pliensbachian Age'' :*** '''yolyujoub'''....''Toarcian Age'' :*** '''yalojoub'''....''Aalenian Age'' :*** '''yalajoub'''....''Bajocian Age'' :*** '''yalejoub'''....''Bathonian Age'' :*** '''yalijoub'''....''Callovian Age'' :*** '''yalujoub'''....''Oxfordian Age'' :*** '''yalyojoub'''....''Kimmeridgian Age'' :*** '''yalyajoub'''....''Tithonian Age'' :*** '''yalyejoub'''....''Berriasian Age'' :*** '''yalyijoub'''....''Valanginian Age'' :*** '''yalyujoub'''....''Hauterivian Age'' :*** '''yelojoub'''....''Barremian Age '' :*** '''yelajoub'''....''Aptian Age '' :*** '''yelejoub'''....''Albian Age '' :*** '''yelijoub'''....''Cenomanian '' :*** '''yelujoub'''....''Turonian '' :*** '''yelyojoub'''....''Coniacian '' :*** '''yelyajoub'''....''Santonian '' :*** '''yelyejoub'''....''Campanian '' :*** '''yelyijoub'''....''Maastrichtian '' :*** '''yelyujoub'''....''Danian '' :*** '''yilojoub'''....''Selandian '' :*** '''yilajoub'''....''Thanetian '' :*** '''yilejoub'''....''Ypresian '' :*** '''yilijoub'''....''Lutetian '' :*** '''yilujoub'''....''Bartonian '' :*** '''yilyojoub'''....''Priaboanian '' :*** '''yilyajoub'''....''Rupelian '' :*** '''yilyejoub'''....''Chattian '' :*** '''yilyijoub'''....''Aquitanian '' :*** '''yilyujoub'''....''Burdigalian '' :*** '''yulojoub'''....''Langhian '' :*** '''yulajoub'''....''Serravallian '' :*** '''yulejoub'''....''Tortonian '' :*** '''yulijoub'''....''Messinian '' :*** '''yulujoub'''....''Zanclean '' :*** '''yulyojoub'''....''Piacenzian '' :*** '''yulyajoub'''....''Gelasian '' :*** '''yulyejoub'''....''Calabrian '' :*** '''yulyijoub'''....''Chibanian '' :*** '''yulyujoub'''....''Tarantian '' :*** '''asojoub'''....''Greenlandian '' :*** '''asajoub'''....''Northgrippian '' :*** '''asejoub'''....''Meghalayan '' === Names of Diacritics === : The Mirad words for diacritics (= accents) are based on the worldwide Unicode 4.0 standard. There are three kinds of diacritics based on where they are positioned relative to the base: ::* <b>aybsiyn</b>....<i>above mark</i> ::* <b>oybsiyn</b>....<i>below mark</i> ::* <b>absiyn</b>....<i>overlay mark</i> : The names are based on some common shapes: ::* <b>nod</b>....<i>dot</i> ::* <b>grun</b>....<i>hook</i> ::* <b>nad</b>....<i>line</i> ::* <b>kin</b>....<i>slash</i> ::* <b>vu</b>....<i>wedge</i> ::* <b>pyaon</b>....<i>wave</i> ::* <b>zyus</b>....<i>ring</i> ::* <b>uz</b>....<i>arch</i> ::* <b>zeymep</b>....<i>bridge</i> ::* <b>izmufseb</b>....<i>arrowhead</i> ::* <b>mar</b>....<i>star</i> : The above shapes can be modified by adjectives: ::* <b>kia</b>....<i>slanted</i> ::* <b>ao</b>....<i>vertical</i> ::* <b>yoga/yaga</b>....<i>short/long</i> ::* <b>en</b>....<i>double</i> ::* <b>yaba/yoba</b>....<i>up/down</i> ::* <b>zua/zia</b>....<i>left/right</i> ::* <b>oyvuzbwa</b>....<i>inverted</i> : Here is a chart listing the most common diacritics in the world's languages. (Note: Mirad does not use diacritics for its native words.) {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;" |+ Mirad Names of Diacritics |- ! Diacritic !! Unicode<br>Value !! Mirad !! Unicode Name |- |<big><b>&#x0301;</b></big>|| 0301||<b> zukin aybsiyn</b>||<i>acute accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0300;</b></big>|| 0300||<b> zukin oybsiyn</b>||<i>acute accent below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030B;</b></big>|| 030B||<b> enzukin aybsiyn</b>||<i>double acute accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0300;</b></big>|| 0300||<b> zikin aybsiyn</b>||<i>grave accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0317;</b></big>|| 0317||<b> zikin oybsiyn</b>||<i>grave accent below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030F;</b></big>|| 030F||<b> enzikin aybsiyn</b>||<i>double grave accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0309;</b></big>|| 0309||<b> zigrun aybsiyn</b>||<i>hook above, hoi</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0327;</b></big>|| 0327||<b> zugrun oybsiyn</b>||<i>cedilla</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0328;</b></big>|| 0328||<b> zigrun oybsiyn</b>||<i>ogonek, nasal hook</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0302;</b></big>|| 0302||<b> yobvu aybsiyn</b>||<i>circumflex accent, hat</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032D;</b></big>|| 032D||<b> yobvu oybsiyn</b>||<i>circumflex accent below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030C;</b></big>|| 030C||<b> vu aybsiyn</b>||<i>hachek, v above, caron</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032C;</b></big>|| 032C||<b> vu oybsiyn</b>||<i>caron below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0306;</b></big>|| 0306||<b> yabuz aybsiyn</b>||<i>breve above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0311;</b></big>|| 0311||<b> yobuz aybsin</b>||<i>inverted breve above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032F;</b></big>|| 032F||<b> yobuz oybsin </b>||<i>inverted breve below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0321;</b></big>|| 0321||<b> teumibxwa grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>palatalized hook below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0308;</b></big>|| 0308||<b> ennod aybsiyn</b>||<i>diaeresis above, double dot above, umlaut, trema</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0324;</b></big>|| 0324||<b> ennod oybsiyn</b>||<i>diaeresis below, double dot below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0307;</b></big>|| 0307||<b> nod aybsiyn</b>||<i>dot above, overdot, tecka, tittle</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0323;</b></big>|| 0323||<b> nod oybsiyn</b>||<i>dot below, underdot, nang</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0351;</b></big>|| 0351||<b> zua eynzyus aybsiyn</b>||<i>left half ring above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031C;</b></big>|| 031C||<b> zua eynzyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>left half ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0350;</b></big>|| 0350||<b> zia eynzyus aybsign</b>||<i>right half ring above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0339;</b></big>|| 0339||<b> zia eynzyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>right half ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0305;</b></big>|| 0305||<b> nad aybsiyn</b>||<i>overline, overscore, vinculum</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033F;</b></big>|| 033F||<b> ennad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double overline</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0332;</b></big>|| 0332||<b> nad oybsiyn</b>||<i>single lowline below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0333;</b></big>|| 0333||<b> ennad oybsiyn</b>||<i>double lowline, double underline, double underscore</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0304;</b></big>|| 0304||<b> nad aybsiyn</b>||<i>macron</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0331;</b></big>|| 0331||<b> nad oybsiyn</b>||<i>macron below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035E;</b></big>|| 935E||<b> ennad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double macron, longum</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035F;</b></big>|| 035F||<b> ennad oybsiyn</b>||<i>double macron below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030A;</b></big>|| 030A||<b> zyus aybsiyn</b>||<i>ring above, kroujek, overring</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0325;</b></big>|| 0325||<b> zyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0346;</b></big>|| 0346||<b> zeymep aybsiyn</b>||<i>bridge above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032A;</b></big>|| 032A||<b> zeymep oybsiyn</b>||<i>bridge below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0346;</b></big>|| 0346||<b> oyvuzbwa zeymep aybsiyn</b>||<i>inverted bridge above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033A;</b></big>|| 033A||<b> oyvuzbwa zeymep oybsiyn</b>||<i>inverted bridge below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0309;</b></big>|| 0309||<b> grun aybsiyn</b>||<i>hook above, hoi</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0303;</b></big>|| 0303||<b> pyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>tilde</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0342;</b></big>|| 0342||<b> yagpyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek perispomeni</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0360;</b></big>|| 0360||<b> enpyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>double tilde above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0330;</b></big>|| 0330||<b> pyaon oybsiyn</b>||<i>tilde below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032B;</b></big>|| 032B||<b> oyvuzbwa enuz oybsiyn</b>||<i>inverted double arch below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033E;</b></big>|| 033E||<b> aonada pyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>vertical tilde, yerik</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031A;</b></big>|| 031A||<b> zua gun aybsiyn</b>||<i>left angle above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030D;</b></big>|| 030D||<b> aonad aybsiyn</b>||<i>vertical line above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030D;</b></big>|| 030D||<b> enaonad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double vertical line above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0329;</b></big>|| 0329||<b> aonad oybsiyn</b>||<i>vertical line below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030E;</b></big>|| 030E||<b> enaonad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double vertical line above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033D;</b></big>|| 033D||<b> xu aybsiyn</b>||<i>x above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0353;</b></big>|| 0353||<b> xu oybsiyn</b>||<i>x below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033C;</b></big>|| 033C||<b> lapiat oybsiyn</b>||<i>seagull below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0310;</b></big>|| 0310||<b> nod ayb uz aybsiyn</b>||<i>candrabindu</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0352;</b></big>|| 0352||<b> nod oyb uz aybsiyn</b>||<i>fermata</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0314;</b></big>|| 0314||<b> zia grun aybsiyn</b>||<i>right comma above, dasia</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0326;</b></big>|| 0326||<b> zia grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>right comma below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0313;</b></big>|| 0313||<b> zua grun aybsiyn</b>||<i>reversed comma above, psili</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0320;</b></big>|| 0320||<b> gobsiyn oybsiyn</b>||<i>minus sign below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031F;</b></big>|| 031F||<b> gabsiyn oybsiyn</b>||<i>plus sign below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034C;</b></big>|| 034C||<b> yubay ge aybsiyn</b>||<i>almost equals above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0349;</b></big>|| 0349||<b> zua gun oybsiyn</b>||<i>left angle below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033B;</b></big>|| 033B||<b> ungun oybsiyn</b>||<i>square below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0334;</b></big>|| 0334||<b> Gereda nod-kin-nod aybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek dialytika tonos</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0350;</b></big>|| 0350||<b> zia izmufseb aybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x08F7;</b></big>|| 0356||<b> zia izmufseb ay yabizmufseb oybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead and up arrowhead below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0355;</b></big>|| 0355||<b> zia izmufseb oybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0354;</b></big>|| 0354||<b> zua izmufseb oybsiyn</b>||<i>left arrowhead below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0318;</b></big>|| 0318||<b> zua zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>left tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0319;</b></big>|| 0319||<b> zia zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>right tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031D;</b></big>|| 031D||<b> yob zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>up tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031E;</b></big>|| 031E||<b> yab zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>down tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0337;</b></big>|| 0337||<b> yoga kinad absiyn</b>||<i>short slash overlay, short solidus overlay</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0338;</b></big>|| 0338||<b> yaga kinad absiyn</b>||<i>long slash overlay, long solidus overlay</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0321;</b></big>|| 0321||<b> teumibxwa grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>palatalized hook below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0322;</b></big>|| 0322||<b> zoykixwa grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>retroflex hook below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0359;</b></big>|| 0359||<b> mar oybsiyn</b>||<i>asterisk below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035A;</b></big>|| 035A||<b> enzyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>double ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0358;</b></big>|| 0358||<b> zinod aybsiyn</b>||<i>dot above right</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035C;</b></big>|| 035C||<b> enyabuz oybsiyn</b>||<i>double breve below, ligature tie below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035D;</b></big>|| 035D||<b> enyabuz aybsiyn</b>||<i>double breve</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0361;</b></big>|| 0361||<b> enyobuz aybsiyn</b>||<i>double inverted breve, top ligature, tie bar</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035B;</b></big>|| 035B||<b> uiznad aybsiyn</b>||<i>zigzag above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0347;</b></big>|| 0347||<b> gese oybsiyn</b>||<i>equals sign below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034C;</b></big>|| 034C||<b> yubgese aybsiyn</b>||<i>almost equal to above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0362;</b></big>|| 0362||<b> enziizmuf oybsiyn</b>||<i>double rightwards arrow below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034E;</b></big>|| 034E||<b> yabizmuf oybsiyn</b>||<i>upwards arrow below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0329;</b></big>|| 0329||<b> ziizmuf aybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034A;</b></big>|| 034A||<b> opyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>not tilde above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x037A;</b></big>|| 037A||<b> iota oybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek ypogegrammeni, iota subscript</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0374;</b></big>|| 0374||<b> Gereda sag aybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek numeral sign, dexia keraia</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0375;</b></big>|| 0375||<b> Gereda sag oybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek lower numeral sign, aristeri keraia</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0651;</b></big>|| 0651||<b> xadda aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic shadda</i> |- |<big><b>&#x065E;</b></big>|| 065E||<b> fatha aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic fatha with two dots</i> |- |<big><b>&#x061A;</b></big>|| 061A||<b> kasra oybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic small kasra</i> |- |<big><b>&#x064C;</b></big>|| 064C||<b> damma aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic dammatan</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0652;</b></big>|| 0652||<b> sukun aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic sukun</i> |} === Grammar Terms === :*'''drevyab'''....''grammar'' :*'''dun'''....''word'' :*'''dyen'''....''phrase'' :*'''dyan'''....''sentence'' :** '''delyea'''....''declarative'' :** '''didyea'''....''interrogative'' :** '''azteudyea'''....''exclamatory'' :*'''dyangon'''....''clause'' :** '''agala dyangon'''....''main clause'' :** '''abyosyea dyangon'''....''dependent clause'' :** '''obdabyea dyangon'''....''subordinate clause'' :*'''anyendyen'''....''idiom'' :*'''dalzeyn'''....''language'' :*'''dalzeynes'''....''dialect'' :*'''dalyen'''....''locution'' :*'''dungon'''....''syllable'' :*'''dunog'''....''particle'' :*'''abun'''....''affix'' :** '''zabun'''....''prefix'' :** '''zobun'''....''suffix'' :** '''yebun'''....''infix'' :*'''kyid'''....''stress'' :*'''dredyen'''....''spelling, orthography'' :*'''seuxden'''....''pronunciation'' :*'''dalgon'''....''part of speech'' :**'''sundun'''....''noun'' :**'''avdun'''....''pronoun'' :**'''erdun'''....''verb'' :**'''adun'''....''adjective'' :**'''aydun'''....''adverb'' :**'''ebdun'''....''preposition'' :**'''yanxdun'''....''conjunction'' :**'''oybdun'''....''particle'' :**'''asaundun'''....''article, determiner'' :*'''jobyen'''....''tense'' :** '''eja'''....''present tense'' :** '''aja'''....''past tense'' :** '''oja'''....''future tense'' :** '''vensona'''....''conditional'' :* '''teagun'''....''aspect'' :** '''ikna'''....''perfect'' :** '''oikna'''....''imperfect'' :** '''zaypasyea'''....''progressive'' :*'''tipyen'''....''mood'' :** '''izeadyea'''....''indicative mood'' :** '''ovyamxwa'''....''subjunctive mood'' :*'''teuz'''....''voice'' :** '''axlyea'''....''active'' :** '''xolyea'''....''passive'' :** '''syundabea'''....''transitive'' :** '''osyundabea'''....''intransitive'' :** '''zyinzoyubea'''....''reflexive'' :*'''sankyas'''....''case'' :** '''syina'''....''nominative, subject'' :** '''bina'''....''genitive, possessive'' :** '''buna'''....''dative'' :** '''izsyuna'''....''accusative, direct object'' :** '''oizsyuna'''....''indirect object'' :** '''byina'''....''ablative'' :** '''dyuena'''....''vocative'' :*'''toob'''....''gender'' :** '''twooba'''....''masculine'' :** '''tooyba'''....''feminine'' :** '''evtwooba'''....''neuter'' :*'''sag'''....''number'' :** '''ansaga'''....''singular'' :** '''glasaga'''....''plural'' :*'''sagdun'''....''numeral'' == Forming Adjectives == : You can form an adjective by adding the suffix '''a''' to a substantive, any adverb not ending in '''-ay''', or preposition. By substantive is meant a noun, pronoun, or gerund. Any of these can be adjectivized. : Examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Deriving Adjectives |- ! Noun !! Adjective |- | '''taam'''....''home'' || '''taama'''....''domestic'' |- | '''doob'''....''nation'' || '''dooba'''....''national'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''teja'''....''vital'' |- | '''tyoyapyaf'''....''ability to walk'' || '''tyoyapyafa'''....''ambulatory'' |- | '''martun'''....''astronomy'' || '''martuna'''....''astronomical'' |- ! Pronoun !! Adjective |- | '''at'''....''I, me'' || '''ata'''....''my'' |- | '''eut'''....''yourself'' || '''euta'''....''your own'' |- | '''hiyen'''....''this kind'' || '''hiyena'''....''this kind of'' |- | '''duhot?'''....''who?'' || '''duhota?'''....''whose?'' |- ! Gerund !! Adjective |- | '''ifeken'''....''recreation'' || '''ifekena'''....''recreational'' |- ! Adverb !! Adjective |- | '''yib'''....''far'' || '''yiba'''....''distant'' |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''yaba'''....''high, upper'' |- ! Verb Form !! Adjective (= Participle) |- | '''teje'''....''(he) lives'' || '''tejea'''....''living'' |- | '''tojo'''....''will die'' || '''tojoa'''....''moribund, about to die'' |- | '''tojbu'''....''would kill'' || '''tojbua'''....''lethal'' |- | '''twa'''....''was known'' || '''twaa'''....''known'' (usu. shortened to '''twa''') |} === Adjectival Suffixes === : Various types of adjectives can be created with adjectival suffixes beyond just '''a'''. : Examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Deriving Other Adjectives |- ! Suffix !! Meaning !! Noun !! Adjective |- ! rowspan=3|-ava !!rowspan=3| ''pro-, for'' !! !! |- | '''Usom'''<br>''U.S.'' || '''Usomava'''<br>''pro-U.S.'' |- | '''yuvrin'''<br>''slavery'' || '''yuvrinava'''<br>''pro-slavery'' |- ! rowspan=3|-ova !!rowspan=3| ''anti-, against'' !! !! |- | '''dobvyabyan'''<br>''constitution'' || '''dovyabyanova'''<br>''anti-constitutional'' |- | '''dot'''<br>''society'' || '''dotova'''<br>''anti-social'' |- ! rowspan=5|-aya !!rowspan=5| ''full of, having, -ous, -ful, -ly'' !! !! |- | '''volz'''<br>''color'' || '''volzaya'''<br>''colorful'' |- | '''futax'''<br>''resentment'' || '''futaxaya'''<br>''resentful'' |- | '''tiibil'''<br>''blood'' || '''tiibilaya'''<br>''bloody'' |- | '''yiflan'''<br>''courage'' || '''yiflanaya'''<br>''courageous'' |- ! rowspan=3|-oya !!rowspan=3| ''bereft of, -less, un-'' !! !! |- | '''volz'''<br>''color'' || '''volzoya'''<br>''colorless, pale'' |- | '''tajyaf'''<br>''talent'' || '''tajyafoya'''<br>''untalented'' |- ! rowspan=2|-ika !!rowspan=2| ''full of, -ous, -ful, -y'' !! !! |- | '''map'''<br>''wind'' || '''mapika'''<br>''windy'' |- ! rowspan=2|-uka !!rowspan=2| ''bereft of, without, -less'' !! !! |- | '''nas'''<br>''money'' || '''nasuka'''<br>''broke, penniless'' |- ! rowspan=4|-yena !! rowspan=4|''-like, -ous, -ly, -y, -ish, -ic, -al'' !! !! |- | '''tudet'''<br>''child'' || '''tudetyena'''<br>''childish, infantile'' |- | '''tot'''<br>''god'' || '''totyena'''<br>''divine, godly'' |- | '''pit'''<br>''fish'' || '''pityena'''<br>''fish-like, fishy'' |- ! rowspan=5|-wa or -awa !! rowspan=5|''-ed, past passive participle''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Past Passive Participle |- | '''t-'''<br>''know'' || '''twa'''<br>''known'' |- | '''dal-'''<br>''speak'' || '''dalwa'''<br>''spoken, oral'' |- | '''nixbu-'''<br>''sell'' || '''nixbuwa'''<br>''sold'' |- | '''dr-'''<br>''write'' || '''drawa'''<br>''written'' |- ! rowspan=4|-ea !!rowspan=4| ''-ing''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Present Active Participle |- | '''ot-'''<br>''not know'' || '''otea'''<br>''ignorant'' |- | '''tej-'''<br>''live'' || '''tejea'''<br>''living, alive'' |- | '''tuj-'''<br>''die'' || '''tujea'''<br>''dying'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yea !!rowspan=5| ''-ive, prone to Xing, given to X''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Present Active Participle |- | '''tujb-'''<br>''kill'' || '''tujbyea'''<br>''murderous'' |- | '''tex-'''<br>''think'' || '''texyea'''<br>''pensive, thoughtful'' |- | '''tox-'''<br>''forget'' || '''toxyea'''<br>''forgetful'' |- | '''axl-'''<br>''act'' || '''axlyea'''<br>''active'' |- ! rowspan=5|-uwa !!rowspan=5| ''-able, apt to be Xed''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Potential Passive Participle |- | '''ex-'''<br>''operate'' || '''exuwa'''<br>''operable'' |- | '''tos'''<br>''feel'' || '''tosuwa'''<br>''palpable'' |- | '''tex-'''<br>''think'' || '''texuwa'''<br>''conceivable'' |- | '''tel-'''<br>''eat'' || '''teluwa'''<br>''edible'' |- ! rowspan=3|-yafa !!rowspan=3| ''-able, capable of Xing'' <br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Potential Subject-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyafa'''<br>''sightful, able to see'' |- | '''dyed-'''<br>''read'' || '''dyedyafa'''<br>''literate'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yafwa !!rowspan=5| ''-able, possible to be Xed''<br> (added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Potential Object-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyafwa'''<br>''visible'' |- | '''tax-'''<br>''remember'' || '''taxyafwa'''<br>''memorable'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyafwa'''<br>''audible'' |- | '''tel-'''<br>''eat'' || '''telyafwa'''<br>''edible'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yofa !!rowspan=5| ''incapable of Xing'' <br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Negative Potential Subject-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyofa'''<br>''blind'' |- | '''tyoyap-'''<br>''walk'' || '''tyoyapyofa'''<br>''lame'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyofa'''<br>''deaf'' |- | '''dal-'''<br>''speak'' || '''dalyofa'''<br>''dumb, incapable of speaking'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yofwa !!rowspan=5| ''un-X-able'' <br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Negative Potential Object-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyofwa'''<br>''invisible'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyofa'''<br>''inaudible'' |- | '''tox-'''<br>''forget'' || '''toxyofa'''<br>''unforgetable'' |- | '''dal-'''<br>''speak'' || '''dalyofa'''<br>''unspeakable'' |- ! rowspan=6|-ifa !!rowspan=6| ''fond of, -phile'' !! Noun Stem !! Adjective |- | '''pot'''<br>''animal'' || '''potifa'''<br>''pet-friendly'' |- | '''hyitoob-'''<br>''same-gender'' || '''hyitoobifa'''<br>''homophile'' |- | '''tobot'''<br>''child'' || '''tobotifa'''<br>''pedophile'' |- | '''fitel'''<br>''food'' || '''fitelifa'''<br>''gourmand'' |- | '''doob'''<br>''nation'' || '''doobifa'''<br>''patriotic'' |- ! rowspan=2|-ifwa !!rowspan=2| ''loved by'' !! Noun Stem !! Adjective |- | '''tyod'''<br>''people'' || '''tyodifwa'''<br>''popular'' |- ! rowspan=4|-ufa !!rowspan=4| ''adverse to, hating, miso-, -phobic'' !! Noun Stem !! Adjective |- | '''tob'''<br>''human'' || '''tobufa'''<br>''misanthropic'' |- | '''hyut-'''<br>''other person'' || '''hyutufa'''<br>''xenophobic'' |- | '''toyb-'''<br>''woman'' || '''toybufa'''<br>''misogynist'' |- ! rowspan=5|-ef(w)a !!rowspan=5|''needful of,<br>(necessary to be X-ed)'' !! Noun or Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''til'''<br>''drink'' || '''tilefa'''<br>''thirsty'' |- | '''tel'''<br>''food'' || '''telefa'''<br>''hungry'' |- | '''nas'''<br>''money'' || '''nasefa'''<br>''poor, needy'' |- | '''yelb-'''<br>''to oil'' || '''yelbefwa'''<br>''squeaky, in need of oil'' |- ! rowspan=4|-yef(w)a !!rowspan=4| ''worthy of,<br> due to be (deserving of being X-ed)'' !! Noun or Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''fid'''<br>''praise'' || '''fidyefa'''<br>''praiseworthy'' |- | '''dud'''<br>''answer'' || '''dudyefa'''<br>''responsible'' |- | '''tax-'''<br>''remember'' || '''taxyefwa'''<br>''memorable'' |- ! rowspan=3|-yuk(w)a !!rowspan=3| ''easy to, (easily X-ed)'' !! Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''vatex-'''<br>''believe'' || '''vatexyuka'''<br>''gullible'' |- | '''vatex-'''<br>''believe'' || '''vatexyukwa'''<br>''incredible, hard to believe'' |- ! rowspan=3|-yik(w)a !!rowspan=3| ''hard to,<br>(hard of X-ing)'' !! Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyikwa'''<br>''opaque'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyika'''<br>''hard of hearing'' |} === Adjectival Prefixes === ==== Negating the Meaning of Adjectives ==== ::: The semantics of an adjective can be reversed with the prefix '''o-'''. ::: Examples: ::::* '''vlea'''....''probable'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>vlea'''....''improbable'' ::::* '''fika'''....''perfect'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>fika'''....''imperfect'' ::::* '''twa'''....''known'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>twa'''....''unknown'' ::::* '''bosa'''....''quiet'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>bosa'''....''upset, unquiet'' ::: Note: Occasionally, the prefix '''lo-''' is used to avoid ambiguity, as in the following case: ::::* '''fwa'''....''wanted'' ::::* <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>fwa'''....''prohibited'' <big><</big> '''ofer'''....''to prohibit'' ::::* <big>→</big> '''<u>yo</u>fwa'''....''impossible'' <big><</big> '''yofer'''....''to be unable'' ::::* <big>→</big> '''<u>lo</u>fwa'''....''unwanted'' <big><</big> '''fer'''....''to want'' (disambiguated) ::: The prefixes '''lyo-''' and '''ov''' are more intense for reversing the meaning of an adjective: ::::* '''data'''....''friendly'' ::::* '''odata'''....''unfriendly'' ::::* '''ovdata'''....''hostile'' ::::* '''lyodata'''....''inimical'' ::::* '''dota'''....''social'' ::::* '''odota'''....''unsocial'' ::::* '''ovdota'''....''antisocial'' ::::* '''lyodota'''....''savage'' ==== Table of Adjective Prefixes ==== ::: As in English, where the sense of adjectives can be altered by a number of prefixes of Germanic, Latin, and Greek origin, the sense of adjectives in Mirad can also be altered with prefixes. Here are the principal ones: :::{| class="wikitable sortable collapsable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Altering the Sense of Adjectives with Prefixes<br>Click on double arrow to alphabetize the column |- ! Mirad Prefix !! English Prefix !! Altered Adjective Examples |- | '''o-''' || ''un-, a(n)-, in-, non-'' ||'''<u>o</u>baka'''....''unhealthy''<br>'''<u>o</u>yezyebeya'''....''incontinent'', '''<u>o</u>yelpea'''....''non-invasive''<br>'''<u>o</u>totina'''....''atheist'' |- |'''ov-''' || ''anti-, counter-'' || '''<u>ov</u>zuina'''....''anti-leftist''<br>'''<u>ov</u>iztida'''....''counter-intuitive'' |- |'''av-''' || ''pro-'' || '''<u>av</u>hyitoosifa'''....''pro-gay'' |- | '''kovyo-''' ||''pseudo-'' || '''<u>kovyo</u>tepina'''....''pseudo-intellectual'' |- | '''hya(s)-''' || ''all-, pan-, omni-'' || '''<u>hyas</u>tea'''....''all-knowing, omniscient'' |- | '''voy-, gal-''' || ''re-'' || '''<u>voy</u>upya'''....''returned''<br>'''<u>gal</u>abwa'''....''<u>re</u>applied'' |- | '''vyo-''' || ''mis-'' || '''<u>vyo</u>seudxwa'''....''mispronounced'' |- | '''eyn-''' || ''semi-, half-'' ||'''<u>eyn</u>levelaya'''....''semi-sweet''<br>'''<u>eyn</u>tija'''....''half-awake'' |- |'''yiz-''' || ''ultra-, super-'' || '''<u>yiz</u>doobina'''....''ultra-nationalist''<br>'''<u>yiz</u>mola'''....''supernatural'' |- | '''gro-''' || ''under-, hypo-'' || '''<u>gro</u>jaga'''....''under-aged'' |- | '''gra-''' || ''over-, hyper-, uber-'' || '''<u>gra</u>agxwa'''....''overgrown''<br>'''<u>gra</u>toseya'''....''hypersensitive'' |- | '''gla-''' ||''multi-, many-, poly-'' || '''<u>gla</u>kuma'''....''multilateral''<br>'''<u>gla</u>tadaya'''....''polygamous'' |- |'''fu-''' || ''mal-, ill-'' || '''<u>fu</u>teyenxwa'''....''ill-conceived''<br>'''<u>fu</u>sanxwa'''....''malformed'' |- | '''fi-''' || ''well-'' || '''<u>fi</u>tofabwa'''....''well-dressed'' |- | '''yuyb-''' ||''quasi-, almost'' || '''<u>yuyb</u>daba'''....''quasi-governmental'' |- | '''ja-''' || ''pre-, (a)fore-, pro-'' ||'''<u>ja</u>teyenxwa'''....''pre-conceived''<br>'''<u>ja</u>igdawa'''....''aformentioned'' |- | '''jo-''' || ''post-'' || '''<u>jo</u>dropeka'''....''post-war'' |- | '''oyeb-'''|| ''extra-, exo-, '' || '''<u>oyeb</u>tada'''....''extra-marital'' |- | '''yeb-''' || ''endo-'' || '''<u>yeb</u>tayoba'''....''endo-dermal'' |- | '''agl(a)-''' || ''macro-'' || '''<u>agla</u>mora'''....''macrocosmic'' |- | '''ogl(a)-''' || ''micro-'' || '''<u>ogla</u>mora'''....''microcosmic'' |- | '''ut-''' || ''auto-, self-, sui-'' || '''<u>ut</u>pana'''....''automatic''<br>'''<u>ut</u>tojbua'''....''suicidal'' |- | '''hyaewa-''' || ''ambi-'' || '''<u>hyaewa</u>tesea'''....''ambivalent'' |- | '''en-''' || ''bi-'' || '''<u>en</u>toobifa'''....''bisexual'' |- | '''yuz-''' || ''circum-'' || '''<u>yuz</u>teaxea'''....''circumspect'' |- | '''gel-''' || ''homo-'' || '''<u>gel</u>sauna'''....''homogeneous'' |- | '''ogel-''' || ''hetero-'' || '''<u>ogel</u>sauna'''....''heterogeneous'' |- | '''oyb-''' || ''infra-, sub-'' || '''<u>oyb</u>ivoza'''....''infrared'' |- | '''ge-''' || ''iso-, equi-'' || '''<u>ge</u>voza'''....''isochromatic'' |- | '''agr(a)-''' || ''mega-'' || '''<u>agra</u>tipa'''....''megamaniacal'' |- | '''ku-''' || ''para-'' || '''<u>ku</u>ega'''....''paranormal'' |- | '''yuyb-''' || ''quasi-, almost, pen-'' || '''<u>yuyb</u>dobyena'''....''quasi-official'' |- | '''yib-''' || ''tele-, far-'' || '''<u>yib</u>pyuxea'''....''far-reaching'' |- | '''zey-''' || ''trans-, cross-'' || '''<u>zey</u>mimaga'''....''transoceanic'' |- | '''aaj-''' || ''paleo-'' || '''<u>aaj</u>toba'''....''paleoloanthropic'' |- | '''eej-''' || ''neo-'' || '''<u>eej</u>visauna'''....''neoclassical'' |- | '''yibaj-''' || ''arch(a)eo-, ancient'' || '''yibajtuna'''....''archaeological'' |- | '''yeb-''' || ''endo-, inner, intro-'' || '''yebzena'''....''endocentric''<br>'''yebuzbwa'''....''introverted'' |- | '''oyeb-''' || ''exo-, outer, ex-, extr(a/o)-'' || '''oyebzena'''....''exocentric''<br>'''oyebuzbwa'''....''extroverted'' |- | '''yab(an)-''' || ''high-, up'' || '''yabnoga'''....''upscale''<br>'''yabnayxa'''....''high-priced'' |- | '''yaban-''' || ''acro-'' || '''yabanyufa'''....''acrophobic'' |- | '''yob-''' || ''low-, down-'' || '''yobnoga'''....''low-grade, down-scale'' |} === English and Mirad Adjectival Suffix Comparison === : Here is a chart showing a comparison between English adjectival suffixes and their Mirad counterparts: :{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ English and Mirad Adjectival Suffixes Compared |- ! English Suffix !! Meaning !! Mirad Suffix !! Altered Adjective Examples |- | ''-ful'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''voz<u>aya</u>'''....''colorful''<br> '''tuz<u>ika</u>'''....''skillful'' |- | ''-ous'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''naz<u>ika</u>'''....''precious''<br> '''mil<u>aya</u>'''....''aqueous'' |- | ''-filled'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''mov<u>ika</u> / mov<u>aya</u>'''....''smoke-filled'' |- | ''-y'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''mov<u>ika</u> / mov<u>aya</u>'''....''smoky''<br> |- | ''-ous'' || of<br> like || '''-a''' || '''totin<u>a</u>'''....''religious''<br> '''vyos<u>a</u>'''....''erroneous'' |- | ''-ly'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''tot<u>yena</u>'''....''godly''<br> '''toyb<u>yena</u>'''....''womanly'' |- | ''-like'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''pat<u>yena</u>'''....''bird-like'' |- | ''-ish'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''tobot<u>yena</u>'''....''childish'' |- | ''-y'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''fyab<u>yena</u>'''....''fruity'' |- | ''-ic'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''tuz<u>yena</u>'''....''artistic''<br> '''sil<u>yena</u>'''....''acidic'' |- | ''-ic'' || of<br> related to || '''-a''' || '''tun<u>a</u>'''....''scientific''<br> '''bek<u>a</u>'''....''therapeutic'' |- | ''-ical'' || of<br> related to || '''-a''' || '''zyunid<u>a</u>'''....''spherical''<br> '''iztex<u>a</u>'''....''logical'' |- | ''-ological'' || pertaining to the study of || '''-tuna''' || '''tej<u>tuna</u>'''....''biological'' |- | ''-ist(ic)'' || pertaining to the doctrine of || '''-ina''' || '''dopar<u>ina</u>'''....''militarist(ic)''<br> '''nasyan<u>ina</u>'''....''capitalist(ic)'' |- | ''-ophobic'' (and ''miso-'' prefix) || hating<br> fearful of || '''-ufa''' || '''yudat<u>ufa</u>'''....''xenophonic''<br> '''tobyan<u>ufa</u>'''....''misanthropic'' |- | ''-ophilic'' (and ''philo-'' prefix) || loving || '''-ifa''' || '''tobot<u>ifa</u>'''....''pedophilic''<br> '''tob<u>ifa</u>'''....''philanthropic'' |- | ''-al'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''pyot<u>yena</u>'''....''bestial'' |- | ''-al'' || of<br> pertaining to || '''-a''' || '''tej<u>a</u>'''....''vital''<br> '''aman<u>a</u>'''....''thermal'' |- | ''-less'' || without<br> empty of || '''-oya<br> -uka''' || '''tej<u>uka</u>'''....''lifeless''<br> '''tobot<u>oya</u>'''....''childless'' |- | ''-free'' || without<br> empty of || '''-oya<br> -uka''' || '''yom<u>uka</u>'''....''ice-free''<br> '''vyos<u>oya</u>'''....''error-free'' |- | ''-safe<br> -proof'' || free<br> not subject to || '''-vaka''' || '''mil<u>vaka</u>'''....''water<u>proof</u>'' |} == Forming Adverbs == : Adjectives can be converted into adverbs by post-y-gliding the adjectival suffix '''a''', in other words, by adding a '''y''' to the adjective. Adverbs modify verbs, adjectives, and other adverbs. : Examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Deriving Adverbs |- ! Adjective !! Adverb |- | '''fi<u>a</u>'''....''good'' || '''fi<u>ay</u>'''....''well'' |- | '''vya<u>a</u>'''....''true'' || '''vya<u>ay</u>'''....''truly'' |- | '''gyu<u>a</u>'''....''easy'' || '''gyu<u>ay</u>'''....''easily'' |- | '''ig<u>a</u>'''....''quick'' || '''ig<u>ay</u>'''....''quickly'' |- | '''aut<u>a</u>'''....''personal'' || '''aut<u>ay</u>'''....''personally'' |} : For brevity's sake, the stem of monosyllabic de-adjectival adverbs can be used at the end of a clause or sentence. For example: ::* '''It tyoyape <u>ig</u>.'''....''He walks <u>fast</u>.'' ::* '''Yit xa has <u>fi</u>.'''....''They did it <u>well</u>.'' === Special Adverbs === : Mirad has special adverbs that are not derived from adjectives and may or may not end in '''-ay'''. : Here are the principal such adverbs: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Special Adverbs |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''vay'''||''indeed, really, certainly, do'' (cf. '''va'''....''yes'') |- | '''vey'''||''possibly, may, might'' (cf. '''ve'''....''maybe'') |- | '''voy'''||''not'' (cf. '''vo'''....''no'') |- | '''ga'''||''more'' (modifying an adjective, adverb, or verb) |- | '''gay'''||''also, moreover, further, still'' |- | '''ge'''||''as, equally'' (modifying an adjective, adverb, or verb) |- | '''gey'''||''even'' |- | '''go'''||''less'' (modifying an adjective, adverb, or verb) |- | '''goy'''||''no longer, no more'' |- | '''gla'''||''very'' |- | '''glay'''||''quite, rather, so'' |- | '''gle'''||''so'' |- | '''glo'''||''not very, not so'' |- | '''gra'''||''too'' |- | '''gre'''||''enough, sufficiently, over-'' |- | '''gro'''||''not...enough, inadequately, under-'' |- | '''gwa'''||''most, super-'' |- | '''gwe'''||''average'' |- | '''gwo'''||''least, sub-'' |- | '''zay'''||''ahead, forward'' |- | '''zey'''||''across'' |- | '''zoy'''||''back'' |- | '''zye'''||''through'' |- | '''zya'''||''throughout'' |} : The first three adverbs in the above chart are used to affirm or emphasize, cast doubt on, or negate verb predicates as in the examples that follow: ::* AFFIRMATIVE: '''Va, at <u>vay</u> se taduwa.'''....''Yes, I am <u>indeed</u> married.'' ::* DUBITIVE: '''Iyta dud se <u>vey</u> vyosa.'''....''Her response is <u>possibly</u> wrong.'' ::* NEGATIVE: '''At <u>voy</u> se eta yuxrut.'''....''I am <u>not</u> your slave.'' : The adverbs above beginning with '''g''' are quantitative adverbs and modify an adjective, verb, or another adverb: ::* '''Et se <u>gla</u> via.'''....''You are <u>very</u> beautiful [=ADJECTIVE].'' ::* '''Et peya <u>gra</u> ig.'''....''You were going <u>too</u> fast [=ADVERB].'' ::* '''It <u>gra</u> dale.'''....''He talks [=VERB] <u>too</u> much.'' : Adverbs can be combined with prepositions to form compound prepositions. If the adverbs ends in '''b''' and the preposition following it begins in '''b''', they are joined together with a single '''b'''. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Compound Prepositions |- ! Special Adverb !! Example |- | '''yab'''....''up'' + '''bu'''....''to'' = '''yabu''' || '''Ha pat papa <u>yabu</u> ha mam.'''....''The bird flew <u>up to</u> the sky.'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' + '''bu'''....''to'' = '''yobu'''|| '''Teaxu <u>yobu</u> ha mel.'''....''Look <u>down to</u> the ground.'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' + '''bi'''....''from'' = '''yobi''' || '''Upu <u>yobi</u> ha abmas!'''....''Come <u>down from</u> the roof!'' |- | '''yub'''....''near'' + '''bi'''....''from'' = '''yubi''' || '''Besu <u>yubi</u> ha mas.'''....''Stay <u>near (from)</u> the wall.'' |- | '''yib'''....''far'' + '''bi'''....''from'' = '''yibi''' || '''Ha tobi igpia <u>yibi</u> ha yovbyokam.'''....''The people ran <u>far from</u> the prison.'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in, inward, inside'' + '''bu'''....''to'' = '''yebu''' || '''Kyedu hat hu ogja tyoyapa <u>yebu</u>ha tam!'''....''Guess who just walked <u>into</u> the house!'' |- | '''oyeb'''....''out, outside'' + '''zye'''....''through'' || '''It tyoyapa <u>oyeb zye</u> ha zames.'''....''He walked <u>out</u> through the front door.'' |- | '''iz'''....''directly, straight'' + '''bu'''....''to'' || '''Pu <u>iz bu</u> hat.'''....''Go <u>right up to</u> him.'' |- | '''zi'''....''right'' + '''ub'''....''toward''|| '''Uzpu <u>zi ub</u> yat!'''....''Turn <u>right toward</u> us!'' |- | '''zu'''....''left'' + '''bi'''....''from''|| '''Hat uzpa <u>zu ib</u> at.'''....''He turned <u>left away from</u> me.'' |- | '''zay'''....''forward'' + '''bu'''....''to'' || '''Pu <u>zay bu</u> ha uj.'''....''Go <u>on to</u> the end.'' |- | '''zoy'''....''back'' + '''bi'''....''from''|| '''Upu <u>zoy bi</u> hua nem.'''....''Come <u>back from</u> that place.'' |- | '''yan'''....''together'' + '''bay'''....''with'' || '''Van yat tyopu <u>yan bay</u> ha hyuti.'''....''Let's walk <u>together with</u> the others.'' |- | '''yon'''....''apart'' + '''bi'''....''from''|| '''Ha meri kyapeye <u>yon bi </u> hyuisi.'''....''The planets are drifting <u>apart from</u> one another.'' |} === Pro-adverbs === : There are also adverbial expressions that are formed with deictic prefixes and categorical stubs to produce what are known as '''''pro-adverbs'''''. These include interrogative pro-adverbs like '''duhom?''' (''where?''), '''duhoyen?''' (''how?''), '''duhoj?''' (''when?''), '''duhogla''' (''to what extent?''), and their answers, such as '''hum''' (''there''), '''heyen''' (''somehow''), and '''hyoj''' (''never''), '''hugla''' (''so, to that extent''). These words are discussed under the chapter on [[Mirad_Grammar/Determiners#Deictic Determiners|Deictic Determiners]]. == Forming Verbs == [[File:Various forms of using the verb "to inform" in LSC.png|thumb|]] : Verbs can be formed from various parts of speech: ::* Noun stems ::* Adjective stems ::* Verb stems === Forming Verbs from Nouns === : Verbs can sometimes be formed from nouns simply by adding the verb infinitive suffix '''er''': :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Denominal Verb Derivation |- ! Noun !! Verb |- | '''ak'''....''a gain'' || '''aker'''....''to win'' |- | '''af'''....''permission'' || '''afer'''....''may, be allowed'' |- | '''teud'''....''cry, shout'' || '''teuder'''....''to cry, shout, exclaim'' |- | '''taj'''....''birth'' || '''tajer'''....''to be born'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''tejer'''....''to live'' |- | '''toj'''....''death'' || '''tojer'''....''to die'' |- | '''ej'''....''present'' || '''ejer'''....''to continue'' |- | '''ij'''....''beginning'' || '''ijer'''....''to begin'' |- | '''uj'''....''end'' || '''ijer'''....''to end'' |- | '''yuj'''....''sleep'' || '''tujer'''....''to sleep'' |} === Verb Formants === : More often, an auxiliary verb or verb stub is used to create various verbs from nouns. The most common such '''''verb formants''''' are in this chart: :* '''-ser'''....''to be/become'' usually intransitive and stative (''unite'' = ''become one'') ::* '''-sler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-srer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-xer'''....''to do/make'' usually transitive and dynamic (''unite'' = ''make one'') ::* '''-xler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-xrer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-per'''....''to go'' usually intransitive and a dynamic verb of motion (''mount'' = ''get onto'') ::* '''-pler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-prer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-ber'''....''to put'' usually transitive and a verb of gesture (''apply'' = ''put onto'') ::* '''-bler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-brer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-ier''' a stub from the verb '''bier'''....''to take'', usually an action verb benefiting the agent (''eat'' = ''take food'') :* '''-uer''' a stub from the verb '''buer'''....''to give'', usually an action verb benefiting the patient (''feed'' = ''give food'') :* '''-der'''....''to say'', a verb of communication (''affirm'' = ''say yes'') :* '''-drer'''....''to write'' :* '''-ter'''....''to know'', verbs of the perception and knowledge ('''teater''' = ''see'') :: Some of the above formants can be intensified with the liquids '''l''' or '''r''', eg.'''sler, -xler, -xrer, -bler, -prer'''. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Verb Derivation with Verb Formants |- ! Noun !! Auxiliary Verb Or Verb Stub Formant !! Verb |- | '''yav'''....''innocence'' || '''der'''....''to say'' || '''yavder'''....''to acquit'' |- | '''yov'''....''shame, guilt'' || '''aber'''....''to apply, put on'' || '''yovaber'''....''to shame, accuse'' |- | '''yov'''....''shame, guilt'' || '''ober'''....''to remove, take off'' || '''yovober'''....''to excuse, exculpate'' |- | '''tof'''....''clothes'' || '''aber'''....''to apply, put on'' || '''tofaber'''....''to dress, don'' |- | '''tof'''....''clothes'' || '''ober'''....''to remove, take off'' || '''tofober'''....''to undress, strip'' |- | '''det'''....''associate'' || '''ser'''....''to be, become'' || '''detser'''....''to associate'' |- | '''dat'''....''friend'' || '''xer'''....''to do, make'' || '''datxer'''....''to befriend'' |- | '''san'''....''form'' || '''ser'''....''to be, become'' || '''sanser'''....''to form (intransitive)'' |- | '''san'''....''form'' || '''xer'''....''to do, make'' || '''sanxer'''....''to form (transitive)'' |- | '''tel'''....''food'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''telier'''....''to eat, consume'' |- | '''tel'''....''food'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''teluer'''....''to feed, nourish'' |- | '''if'''....''pleasure'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''ifier'''....''to enjoy'' |- | '''if'''....''pleasure'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''ifuer'''....''to please'' |- | '''taj'''....''birth'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tajber'''....''to give birth'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tejper'''....''to come alive'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tejber'''....''to bring to life'' |- | '''toj'''....''death'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tojper'''....''to drop dead'' |- | '''toj'''....''death'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tojber'''....''to kill'' |- | '''tij'''....''wakefulness'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tijper'''....''to wake up'' |- | '''tij'''....''wakefulness'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tijber'''....''to awaken'' |- | '''tuj'''....''sleep'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tujper'''....''to fall asleep'' |- | '''tuj'''....''sleep'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tujber'''....''to put to sleep'' |- | '''tax'''....''memory'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''taxier'''....''to recall'' |- | '''tax'''....''memory'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''taxuer'''....''to remind'' |- | '''yev'''....''justice'' || '''der'''....''to say, tell'' || '''yevder'''....''to judge'' |- | '''vyan'''....''truth'' || '''der'''....''to say, tell'' || '''vyander'''....''to tell the truth'' |- | '''vyon'''....''falsehood'' || '''der'''....''to say, tell'' || '''vyonder'''....''to tell a lie'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''aker'''....''to gain'' || '''ilaker'''....''to take on liquid'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''oker'''....''to lose'' || '''iloker'''....''to leak, lose liquid'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''ilier'''....''to soak up'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''iluer'''....''to pour, water'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ikser'''....''to get full'' || '''ilikser'''....''to be soaked'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ikxer'''....''to fill up'' || '''ilikxer'''....''to flood, soak'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ukser'''....''to become empty'' || '''ilukser'''....''to drain'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ukxer'''....''to empty'' || '''ilukxer'''....''to flush'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ser'''....''to be, become'' || '''ilser'''....''to liquify, melt'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''xer'''....''to do, make'' || '''ilxer'''....''to liquify, melt'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''aber'''....''to apply, put on'' || '''ilaber'''....''to wash'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''aper'''....''to get on'' || '''ilaper'''....''to float'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''ilper'''....''to flow'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''zyaber'''....''to spread'' || '''ilzyaber'''....''to spray, shower'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''zyober'''....''to squeeze'' || '''ilzyober'''....''to squirt'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''pyexer'''....''to strike'' || '''ilpyexer'''....''to splash (with liquid)'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''yujer'''....''to close'' || '''ilyujer'''....''to plug'' |} : Note that verbs ending in '''-ser''' and '''-ier''' are intransitive (they take no object), while those ending in '''-xer''' and '''-uer''' are transitive. Also, '''-ier''' verbs are subject-directed, while '''-uer''' verbs are object-directive or causative (making someone do something). === Forming Verbs from Adjectives With -xer and -ser === : The verbs that are formed from adjectives fall mainly into two groups, the transitive group with '''-xer'''....''to do, make, cause'', and the intransitive group with '''-ser'''....''to be, become''. : The following chart shows how these verbs are formed: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Forming Verbs with Xer and Ser |- ! Adjective !! Transitive Verb !! Intransitive Verb |- | '''aza'''....''strong'' || '''azaxer'''....''fortify, strengthen, make strong'' || '''azaser'''....''get strong'' |- | '''oza'''....''week'' || '''ozaxer'''....''weaken'' || '''ozaser'''....''grow weaker'' |- | '''kyia'''....''heavy'' || '''kyiaxer'''....''weigh down'' || '''kyiaser'''....''grow heavy'' |- | '''kyua'''....''light'' || '''kyuaxer'''....''lighten, make lighter'' || '''kyuaser'''....''get lighter'' |- | '''yana'''....''together'' || '''yanaxer'''....''bring together'' || '''yanaser'''....''get together'' |} : The final adjective ending '''a''' is often dropped to form a verb with a slightly different meaning, usually somewhat more idiomatic. In some cases, dropping the '''a''' makes it clear that the verb is created from a noun rather than an adjective, as in the last example of the following chart: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Comparing Full and Stub Adjectives in Verb Formation |- ! Adjective !! Transitive Verb !! Intransitive Verb |- | '''aga'''....''big'' || '''agaxer'''....''magnify'' || '''agaser'''....''get big'' |- | || '''agxer'''....''grow'' || '''agxer'''....''grow up, mature'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''iga'''....''fast'' || '''igaxer'''....''accelerate'' || '''igaser'''....''speed up'' |- | || '''igxer'''....''rush'' || '''igser'''....''hurry up'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''baka'''....''healthy'' || '''bakaxer'''....''make healthy'' || '''bakaser'''....''get healthy'' |- | || '''bakxer'''....''heal'' || '''bakser'''....''heal'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''sana'''....''formal'' || '''sanaxer'''....''formalize'' || '''sanaser'''....''become formal'' |- | || '''sanxer'''....''form, shape'' || '''sanser'''....''form, take shape'' |} === Forming Verbs of Gesture and Motion with -ber and -per === : Verbs of gesture are formed with the transitive auxiliary verb '''ber'''....''to put'', while parallel verbs of motion are formed with the intransitive auxiliary verb '''per'''....''to go''. These verbs are usually paired and are often built from a prepositional base. If the prepositional base ends in '''b''', the '''b''' is dropped. Here are some examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Verb Derivation with Ber and Per |- ! Preposition<br>Base !! Transitive Gesture Verb !! Intransitive Motion Verb |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''aber'''....''apply, put on'' || '''aper'''....''mount, get on'' |- | '''eb'''....''between'' || '''eber'''....''block'' || '''eper'''....''intervene'' |- | '''ob'''....''off'' || '''ober'''....''remove, take off'' || '''oper'''....''dismount, get off'' |- | '''ib'''....''away'' || '''iber'''....''receive'' || '''iper'''....''leave'' |- | '''ub'''....''toward'' || '''uber'''....''send'' || '''uper'''....''come'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''yaber'''....''raise'' || '''yaper'''....''rise'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in''<br>'''oyeb'''....''out'' || '''yeber'''....''insert''<br>'''oyeber'''....''take out'' || '''yeper'''....''enter''<br>'''oyeper'''....''exit'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''yober'''....''lower'' || '''yoper'''....''descend'' |- | '''yib'''....''far'' || '''yiber'''....''take away'' || '''yiper'''....''move away'' |- | '''yub'''....''near'' || '''yuber'''....''bring'' || '''yuper'''....''approach'' |- ! !! !! |- |- | '''za'''....''front'' || '''zaber'''....''put up front'' || '''zaper'''....''take the lead'' |- | '''zay'''....''forward'' || '''zayber'''....''advance'' || '''zayper'''....''advance, go forward'' |- | '''ze'''....''middle'' || '''zeber'''....''balance'' || '''zeper'''....''balance'' |- | '''zey'''....''across'' || '''zeyber'''....''take across, transfer'' || '''zeyper'''....''cross, go over, transit'' |- | '''zo'''....''behind'' || '''zober'''....''hinder'' || '''zoper'''....''trail, lag'' |- | '''zoy'''....''back'' || '''zoyber'''....''set back, return'' || '''zoyper'''....''retreat, go back, return'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''iz'''....''straight'' || '''izber'''....''guide'' || '''izper'''....''aim for'' |- | '''uz'''....''crooked'' || '''uzber'''....''divert'' || '''uzper'''....''turn, diverge'' |- |- '''zi'''....''right'' || '''ziber'''....''set to the right'' || '''ziper'''....''go right'' |- | '''zu'''....''left'' || '''zuber'''....''set to the left'' || '''zuper'''.... ''go left'' |- | '''yiz'''....''beyond'' || '''yizber'''....''take beyond'' || '''yizper'''....''pass by'' |- | '''yuz'''....''around'' || '''yuzber'''....''take around'' || '''yuzper'''....''go around'' |} ==== Deriving Further Verbs of Gesture and Motion ==== : More elaborate verbs of gesture and motion can be formed by adding positional/directional ordinal vowels along with combinations of '''ser''' and '''xer''', plus the intensifiers '''y''', '''l''' and '''r'''. In this more complex scheme, the stem-initial '''p''' is a more semantically intense version of '''b'''. Also the verb endings '''-sler''' and '''-srer''' and more intense versions of the intransitive ending '''-ser''', while '''-xler''' and '''-xrer''' and more intense version of the transitve ending '''-xer'''. Verbs ending in '''-ler''' and '''-rer''' are transitive voice by nature, '''-rer''' being more semantically intense. Prepositions can be prefixed to change the direction of the gestures or motions. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Creating More Elaborate Verbs |- ! colspan="2"| Gesture Verb !! colspan="2"| Motion Verb |- ! Intransitive !! Transitive !! Intransitive !! Transitive |- | -- ||'''ber'''....''put'' <br>'''beer'''....''have'' <br>'''beler'''....''carry'' <br>'''bexer'''....''hold'' <br>'''bexler'''....''keep'' | '''per'''....''go''||-- |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''baer'''....''lean on'' || '''baler'''....''press''<br>'''yanbaler'''....''compress''<br>'''yobaler'''....''depress, suppress''<br>'''yuzbaler'''....''hug''<br>'''zoybaler'''....''repress''<br>'''barer'''....''crush'' ||'''paer'''....''hover'' || |- |'''baser'''....''gesticulate'' || '''baxer'''....''make a gesture''<br>'''abaxer'''....''caress, pat'' || '''paser'''....''move''||'''paxer'''....''move'' |- |'''byaser'''....''stand up'' || '''byaxer'''....''set up, erect'' || '''pyaser'''....''jump up'' || '''pyaxer'''....''shoot, launch'' |- |'''basler'''....''budge'' || '''baxler'''....''rouse''<br>'''abaxler'''....''stroke'' || '''paaser'''....''get excited'' || '''paaxer'''....''excite''<br>'''apaxler'''....''sweep'' |- |'''basrer'''....''shake'' || '''baxrer'''....''shake''<br>'''abaxrer'''....''rub'' || || '''apaxrer'''....''scrub'' |- ! !! !! !! |- |'''beser'''....''stay'' || '''bexer'''....''hold''<br>'''zoybexer'''....''restrain''<br>'''yobexer'''....''detain, hold down'' || '''peser'''....''wait'' || '''pexer'''....''trap''<br>'''pexler'''....''capture''<br>'''pexrer'''....''abduct'' |- |'''byeser'''....''behave''|| '''byexer'''....''hit'' || '''pyeser'''....''run into, bump into''|| '''pyexer'''....''strike, knock''<br>'''yonpyexer'''....''break''<br>'''yopyexer'''....''knock down''<br>'''epyexer'''....''fight''<br>'''apyexer'''....''attack''<br>'''ovpyexer'''....''offend''<br>'''kunpyexer'''....''sideswipe''<br>'''tuyapyexer'''....''slap'' |- |'''besler'''....''adhere'' || '''bexler'''....''retain''|| || '''pyexler'''....''pound, beat''<br>'''apyexler'''....''assault''<br>'''yonpexler'''....''shatter, burst'' |- | || || '''yanpyesrer'''....''implode''<br>'''yonpyesler'''....''explode'' || '''pyexler'''....''blast, bomb'' |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''boser'''....''calm down''<br>'''boyser'''....''rest'' || '''boxer'''....''quieten, quell'' || '''poser'''....''stop''<br>'''poyser'''....''pause'' || '''poxer'''....''stop'' |- | '''byoser'''....''hang'' || '''byoxer'''....''hang'' || '''pyoser'''....''fall''<br>'''yonpyoser'''....''decay'' || '''pyoxer'''....''drop, throw down''<br>'''yopyoxer'''....''topple''<br> |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''biser'''....''originate'' || '''bixer'''....''pull''<br>'''yanbixer'''....''contract''<br>'''yonbixer'''....''distract''<br>'''yubixer'''....''attract''<br>'''yibixer'''....''distract''<br>'''oyebixer'''....''extract''<br>'''yebixer'''....''push in'' || || '''pixer'''....''catch'' |- |'''bisler'''....''spring'' || '''bixler'''....''yank''<br>'''bixrer'''....''ravage'' || || '''pixler'''....''snatch''<br>'''pixrer'''....''rape'' |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''buser'''....''be destined'' || '''buxer'''....''push, drive''<br>'''zyobuxer'''....''squeeze''<br>'''yebuxer'''....''expel''<br>'''abuxer'''....''impose'' || '''apuser'''....''assault'' || '''puxer'''....''throw, thrust'' |- |'''byuser'''....''bump into'' || '''byuxer'''....''touch''<br>'''yanbyuxer'''....''contact'' ||'''pyuser'''....''run into'' || '''pyuxer'''....''crash'' |- |'''busler'''....''swoop'' || '''buxler'''....''shove'' || '''pusler'''....''lunge, pounce'' || '''puxler'''....''thrust''<br>'''zyapuxler'''....''splatter'' |} === Deriving New Verbs with Prefixes === : Yet more complex verbs can be generated by adding directional and positional prefixes to the above verbs. Let's just take the one verb '''baxer''' (and its intransitive partner '''baser''') as our base verb and generate many others through prefixation of prepositional and other words as shown in the following chart: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Baxer Verbs |- ! Prefix !! Verb |- ! colspan=2 | '''baxer'''....''gesture, make a bodily motion'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''abaxer'''....''caress, pat, pet, stroke, rub'' |- | '''iz'''....''straight'' || '''izbaxer'''....''point'' |- | '''teb'''....''head'' || '''tebaxer'''....''nod'' |- | '''va'''....''yes'' || '''vatebaxer'''....''nod yes'' |- | '''vo'''....''no'' || '''votebaxer'''....''nod no'' |- | '''ve'''....''maybe'' || '''vetebaxer'''....''shrug'' |- | '''tuyab'''....''hand'' || '''tuyabaxer'''....''wave'' |- | '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''tubaxer'''....''flail, swing'' |- | '''teubab'''....''tongue'' || '''teubabaxer'''....''lick'' |- | '''teab'''....''eye'' || '''teubaxer'''....''wink'' |- | '''patub'''....''wing'' || '''patubaxer'''....''flap'' |- | '''tiyub'''....''tail'' || '''tiyubaxer'''....''wag'' |- ! colspan=2 | '''baser'''....''gesticulate'' |- | '''ig-'''....''fast'' || '''igbaser'''....''jerk'' |- | '''zay'''....''forward'' || '''igzaybaser'''....''lurch'' |- | '''zoy'''....''back'' || '''zoybaser'''....''recoil'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''yobaser'''....''bow, bend down'' |- | '''ku-'''....''side'' || '''kubaser'''....''slide'' |- | '''ig-'''....''fast'' || '''igkubaser'''....''slip'' |- | '''iz'''....''straight'' + '''uz'''....''curved'' || '''uizbaser'''....''sway, swagger, swish'' |- | '''zi'''....''right'' + '''zu'''....''left'' || '''zuibaser'''....''wiggle, wobble, totter'' |} === Forming Frequentative Verbs === : A frequentative verb, that is, one that involves an action done quickly multiple times in succession, can be formed by prefixing the syllable '''je-''' to the verb. Here are some examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ The -eg- Frequentative Infix |- ! Regular Verb !! Frequantative Verb |- | '''paser'''....''move'' || '''jepaser'''....''shake, shudder'' |- | '''pyaser'''....''jump'' || '''jepyaser'''....''bounce'' |- | '''paper'''....''fly'' || '''jepaper'''....''flutter, flit'' |- | '''braser'''....''shake'' || '''jebraser'''....''shudder, quiver, vibrate'' |- | '''teupixer'''....''bite'' || '''jeteupiger'''....''nibble'' |- | '''ilzyaber'''....''spray'' || '''jeilzyaber'''....''sprinkle'' |- | '''pyexer'''....''beat'' || '''jepyexer'''....''batter, whip'' |} === Forming Hybrid Words === : Expressions with alternating components like ''back-and-forth'', ''up-and-down'', etc. are formed in a peculiar, hybrid way. The following table shows this formation and how such words can be used, especially as prefixes on verbs: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Hybrid Words |- ! Alternative Components !! Hybrid Expression !! Examples |- | '''yab'''....''up'' +<br>'''yob'''....''down'' || '''yao(b)-'''....''up-and-down'' || '''yaoper'''....''fluctuate'', '''yaopuser'''....''bounce'' |- | '''a-'''....''up, north, skyward'' +<br>'''o-'''....''down, south'' || '''ao-'''....''vertical'' || '''aonada'''....''vertical'', '''aonab'''....''column'' |- | '''za(y)'''....''forth, north'' +<br>'''zo(y)'''....''back, south'' || '''zao(b)-'''....''front-back/north-to-south'' || '''zaobaser'''....''rock'', '''zaomera'''....''north/south'' |- |- '''zu'''....''left/west'' +<br>'''zi'''....''right/east'' || '''zui(b)-'''....''right-to-left/east-to-west'' || '''zuinada'''....''horizontal'', '''zuibaser'''....''wiggle'', '''zuimera'''....''east/west'' |- | '''bu'''....''to'' +<br>'''bi'''....''from'' || '''bui-'''....''to-and-from'' || '''buipar'''....''shuttle'', '''buipop'''....''round-trip'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' +<br>'''ob'''....''off'' || '''ao(b)-'''....''on-and-off'' || '''aoper'''....''get on and off'' |- | '''yuj-'''....''closed'' +<br>'''yij-'''....''open'' || '''yuij-'''....''open-and-shut'' || '''yuijbar'''....''switch'', '''igyuijer'''....''blink'' |- | '''uj-'''....''stop'' +<br>'''ij-'''....''start'' || '''uij-'''....''stop-and-start'' || '''uijparpan'''....''stop-and-go traffic'' |- | '''(a)yeb'''....''in'' +<br>'''oyeb'''....''out'' || '''aoye(b)-'''....''in-and-out'' || '''igaoyeper'''....''run in-and-out'' |- | '''yub'''....''near'' +<br>'''yib'''....''far'' || '''yui(b)-'''....''near-and-far'' || '''yuipoper'''....''travel near-and-far'' |- | '''ub'''....''toward'' +<br>'''ib'''....''away'' || '''ui(b)-'''....''toward-and-away'' || '''uipen'''....''coming and going'' |- | '''hum'''....''there'' +<br>'''him'''....''here'' || '''huim'''....''here-and-there'' || '''huimkexer'''....''search high-and-low (here-and-there)'' |- | '''hus'''....''that'' +<br>'''his'''....''this'' || '''huis'''....''this-and-that'' || '''huisyexer'''....''do odd jobs, work at this-or-that'' |- | '''hyut'''....''other person'' +<br>'''hyit'''....''same person'' || '''hyuit'''....''one another'' || '''hyuitifer'''....''love one another'', '''hyuita'''....''mutual, reciprocal'' |} : Here are some more examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ More Hybrids ! Hybrid Word !! English Gloss !! Alternating Components |- |'''aogsen'''||'' fluctuation (in size) ''|| '''ag-''' (''big'') + '''og-''' (''little'') + '''s-''' (''become'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''aonada'''||''vertical ''|| '''a-''' (''up/north'') + '''o-''' (''down/south'') + '''nad''' (''line'') + '''-a''' (''adj.'') |- |'''aopuys'''||'' hop-on-hop-off ''|| '''a(p)-''' (''on'') + '''o(p)-''' (''off'') + '''puys-''' (''hop'') |- |'''buien'''||'' trading, swapping ''|| '''bu-''' (''give'') + '''bi-''' (''trake'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''buip'''||'' traffic ''|| '''bu-''' (''to'') + '''bi-''' (''from'') + '''p-''' (''go'') |- |'''buixar'''||''spring''|| '''bux-''' (''push'') + '''bix''' (''pull'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''buixek'''||'' tug-o-war ''|| '''bux-''' (''push'') + '''bix-''' (''pull'') + '''ek''' (''play'') |- |'''buixnyem'''||'' drawer ''|| '''bux-''' (''push'') + '''bix-''' (''pull'') + '''nyem''' (''box'') |- |'''byaosen'''||'' teetering, stumbling ''|| '''byas-''' (''stand'') + '''byos-''' (''fall'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''diep'''||'' marine force ''|| '''dip''' (''sea force'') + '''dep''' (''land force'') |- |'''duid'''||'' q&a, interview ''|| '''dud''' (''answer'') + '''did''' (''question'') |- |'''eigpyexer''' || ''batter, whip'' || '''eg-''' (''again'') + '''ig-''' (''fast'') + '''pyexer''' (''to hit'') |- |'''gao'''||'' more-or-less ''|| '''ga''' (''more'') + '''go''' (''less'') |- |'''glaojo'''||'' sooner or later ''|| '''gla''' (''very'') + '''glo''' (''slightly'') + '''jo''' (''after'') |- | '''huimkexer''' || ''search here and there'' || '''hu-''' (''that'') + '''hi-''' (''this'') + '''-m''' (''place'') + '''kex''' (''search'') + '''-er''' (''inf.'') |- |'''huis'''||'' this-and-that ''|| '''hu-''' (''that'') + '''hi-''' (''this'') + '''-s''' (''thing'') |- |'''hyuit'''||'' one another ''|| '''hyu-''' (''other'') + '''hyi-''' (''same'') + '''-t''' (''person'') |- |'''kyaopen'''||'' fluctuation ''|| '''kya-''' (''mobile'') + '''kyo''' (''static'') + '''-pen''' (''going'') |- |'''maluier'''||'' breathe ''|| '''mal-''' (''air'') + '''u-''' (''let out'') + '''i-''' (''take in'') '''-er''' (''inf.'') |- |'''maojyex'''||'' double-shift work ''|| '''maj''' (''day'') + '''moj''' (''night'') + '''yex''' (''work'') |- |'''maonig'''||'' flicker ''|| '''man''' (''light'') + '''mon''' (''dark'') + '''ig-''' (''fast'') |- |'''maolza'''||'' black&white/gray ''|| '''malza''' (''white'') + '''molza''' (''black'') |- |'''meil'''||'' mud ''|| '''mel''' (''soil'') + '''mil''' (''water'') |- |'''memuiben'''||'' import-exports ''|| '''mem''' (''country'') + '''ub-''' (''send'') + '''ib-''' (''receive'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''mial'''||'' vapor ''|| '''mil''' (''water'') + '''mal''' (''air'') |- |'''mieg'''||'' reef ''|| '''mi-''' (''sea'') + '''me-''' (''land'') + '''-g''' (''stone'') |- |'''miek'''||'' sand ''|| '''mi-''' (''sea'') + '''me-''' (''land'') + '''-k''' (''rocky substance'') |- |'''miem'''||'' swamp ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''mem''' (''land'') |- |'''mimpuin'''||'' dock ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''pu-''' (''arrive'') + '''pi-''' (''depart'') + '''-m''' (''place'') |- |'''mimpyaos'''||'' surf ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''pyas-''' (''surge'') + '''pyos-''' (''sink'') |- |'''mimuip'''||'' tide ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''up-''' (''come'') + '''ip-''' (''go'') |- |'''peit'''||'' amphibian ''|| '''pet''' (''land animal'') + '''pit''' (''sea creature'') |- |'''puim'''||'' kiss-and-ride zone''|| '''pu-''' (''arrive'') + '''pi-''' (''depart'') + '''-m''' (''place'') |- |'''puixek'''||'' baseball ''|| '''pux-''' (''pitch'') + '''pix-''' (''catch'') + '''ek''' (''play'') |- | '''pyaos''' || ''wave'' || '''pyas-''' (''surge'') + '''pyos-''' (''crest'') |- |'''teabyuij'''||'' blink ''|| '''teab''' (''eye'') + '''yuj-''' (''close'') + '''yij-''' (''open'') |- |'''tuijea'''||'' nodding off ''|| '''tuj-''' (''sleep'') + '''tij''' (''wake'') '''-ea''' (''-ing'') |- |'''uijdal'''||'' stutter ''|| '''uj-''' (''finish'') + '''ij-''' (''start'') + '''dal''' (''speech'') |- |'''uipeni'''||'' comings & goings ''|| '''up-''' (''come'') + '''ip''' (''go'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') + '''-i''' (''pl.'') |- |'''uiza'''||'' serpentine, snaky ''|| '''uza''' (''crooked'') + '''iza''' (''straight'') |- |'''vao?'''||'' yes or no? ''|| '''va''' (''yes'') + '''vo''' (''no'') |- |'''vaod'''||'' decision ''|| '''va''' (''yes'') + '''vo''' (''no'') + '''d-''' (''say'') |- |'''yaobar'''||'' elevator ''|| '''yab-''' (''raise'') + '''yob-''' (''lower'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yaobyuijar'''||''piston''|| '''yab-''' (''raise'') + '''yob-''' (''lower'') + '''yuj-''' (''close'') + '''yij-''' (''open '') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yaoplas'''||''oscillation''|| '''yap-''' (''up'') + '''yop-''' (''down'') + '''plas''' (''shake'') |- |'''yaopsim'''||''seesaw''|| '''yap-''' (''ascend'') + '''yop-''' (''descend'') + '''sim''' (''seat'') |- |'''yaopus'''||''bounce''|| ya(''b'')'''-''' (''up'') + yo(''b'')'''-''' (''down'') + '''pus''' (''jump'') |- |'''yaovdut'''||''juror''|| '''yav-''' (''innocent'') + '''yov-''' (''guilty'') + '''d-''' (''say'') + '''-ut''' (''agent'') |- |'''yaoza'''||''uneven, bumpy, serrated''|| '''yaza''' (''convex'') + '''yoza''' (''concave'') |- |'''yaozgoblar'''||''saw''|| '''yaz''' (''protrusion '') + '''yoz''' (''indentation'') + '''gobl-''' (''cut'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yaozil'''||''wave''|| '''yaz''' (''swell'') + '''yoz''' (''trough'') + '''-il''' (''liquid'') |- |'''yuibteabar'''||''bifocals''|| '''yub''' (''near'') + '''yib''' (''far'') + '''teab''' (''eye'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yuijar'''||'' valve, switch''|| '''yuj-''' (''close'') + '''yij-''' (''open'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''zaobelur'''||''ferry''|| '''za-''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''bel-''' (''carry'') + '''-ur''' (''vehicle'') |- |'''zaobyexar'''||''swatter, bat''|| '''za''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''byex-''' (''strike'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''zaodal'''||''dialog''|| '''za-''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''dal''' (''speech'') |- |'''zaogoblar'''||''saw''|| '''za''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''gobl''' (''cut'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''zaokyax'''||''alternation''|| '''za''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''kyax''' (''change'') |- |'''zaopasen'''||''swinging''|| '''za-''' (''forth'') + '''zo-''' (''back'') + '''pasen''' (''moving'') |- |'''zaopsim'''||''swing or rocker''|| '''zap-''' (''go forth'') + '''zap''' (''go back'') + '''sim''' (''seat'') |- |'''zuibasen'''||''wiggling''|| '''zu-''' (''left'') + '''zi-''' (''right'') + '''bas-''' (''move bodily'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''zuibayx'''||''wag''|| '''zu-''' (''left'') + '''zi-''' (''right'') + '''bayx-''' (''slight body move'') |- |'''zuibyoxea'''||''dangling''|| '''zu''' (''left'') + '''zi''' (''right'') + '''byox-''' (''hang down'') + '''-ea''' (''-ing'') |- |'''zuiyafa'''||''ambidextrous''|| '''zu-''' (''left'') + '''zi-''' (''right'') + '''yafa''' (''capable'') |- |'''zyaobas'''||''throb''|| '''zya-''' (''wide'') + '''zyo-''' (''narrow'') + '''bas''' (''bodily movement'') |} <noinclude>{{Chapter navigation with TOC|Acronyms and Abbreviations|Word Families}}</noinclude> mqz44n86ybx703vs3b5b7x7aayvjpxq 4639371 4639366 2026-06-08T17:41:32Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Product Names */ 4639371 wikitext text/x-wiki {{TOC right|limit=3}} == Introduction == : In order to facilitate word-building and to maximize comprehension and decipherability of words, certain meanings and functions have been attached to consonants and vowels. : The vocabulary of Mirad is composed of '''''base words''''' and '''''derived words'''''. : The vocabulary is built on '''''base words''''', that is, indivisible, building-block words. The choice of the root of these words (formed generally from two or three letters) is determined by: ::* The meaning of each letter of the word. ::* The importance of the group of ideas that this word evokes in its proper sense and in the sense that is directly opposite it, eg.: ''fixed'' vs. ''variable''. ::* How frequently the word and its derivations are used in the language. ::* The geometric system of vocabulary construction (see a later section on what this is all about). ::* The logic of its composition. ::* The mnemonic associations this word suggests. : The words derived from base words in turn follow very simple laws called '''''vocabulary-building rules''''', which are spelled out below. == Base Words == : '''''Base words''''' are elements of vocabulary that cannot be broken down any further and which serve as the basis for many derived words in the language. Base words are divided into two groups: ::* Group 1:&nbsp;&nbsp;consisting of '''''nouns''''' ::* Group 2:&nbsp;&nbsp;consisting of '''''prepositions, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, determiners, and verbs'''''. == Base words of Group 1 == : Base words of Group 1 (nouns) are composed of three letters: :::* The first, a consonant called the '''''classifier''''' :::* The second, a vowel called the '''''ordinal''''' :::* The third, a consonant called the '''''generic''''' These words can be thought of as noun templates. :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Base Word Composition |- ! Classifier !! Ordinal !! Generic !! Meaning |- | '''t''' || '''o''' || '''b''' || ''man'' |- | '''d''' || '''o''' || '''t''' || ''society'' |- | '''p''' || '''o''' || '''t''' || ''animal'' |- | '''f''' || '''o''' || '''b''' || ''plant'' |} == Base words of Group 2 == : Base words of Group 2 (everything but nouns) are composed of one or two letters, not including grammatical endings. If one letter, it is a consonant or sometimes a vowel(*). If two letters, they consist of a consonant + vowel combination or a vowel + consonant combination. Here are some examples (the hyphen at the end means that the base word does not stand alone, but is followed in usage by a grammatical ending such as '''-er''' (verb infinitive marker) or '''-a''' (adjective marker): ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Some Examples of Group 2 Base Words | '''b-'''....''put'' || '''p-'''....''go'' |- | '''s-'''....''be'' || '''x-'''....''do'' |- | '''d-'''....''say'' || '''t-'''....''know'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''ob'''....''off'' |- |'''bu'''....''to'' || '''bi'''....''from'' |- |'''if-'''....''love'' || '''uf-'''....''hate'' |- |'''fi-'''....''good'' || '''fu-'''....''bad'' |- |'''va'''....''yes'' || '''vo'''....''no'' |- |'''vya-'''^*....''true'' || '''vyo-'''....''false'' |- | '''a'''....''one'' || '''o'''....''zero'' |} : *<small> As mentioned above, "vowel" in this case may include glided vowels, i.e. those preceded and/or followed by one of the glides '''y''' or '''w'''. So, for purposes here, '''ya''', '''ye''', '''yi''', '''yo''', '''yu''', '''wa''', and other pre- and post-glided vowels, are considered "glided vowels".</small> == Consonants and Their Meanings == : The classifier (initial letter) and generic (final letter) in group 1 base words (nouns) are consonants. Also, group 2 base words almost always have one consonant. So, you need to be familiar with the general meaning of the consonants in the Mirad alphabet, as shown in the following chart: ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Consonants and Their Meanings |- ! Consonant !! Group 1 Classifier !! Group 1 Generic !! Group 2 Classifier !! In Numbers |- | '''b''' || organ, health || organism || gesture, position || |- | '''d''' || society || family || communicating || |- | '''f''' || vegetation || textile, clothing || volition, attributes || |- | '''g''' || -- || measurement || quantity, attributes || |- | '''j''' || time || time || time || |- | '''k''' || -- || health || change, risk, attributes || |- | '''l''' || -- || element, food, liquid, nature || -- || '''l''' = ten |- | '''m''' || nature || place, building, furniture || temperature, light || '''ml''' = million<br>'''mr''' = billion |- | '''n''' || commerce || -- || -- || |- | '''p''' || animal, vehicle || motion || movement || |- | '''r''' || -- || tool, machine, cosmos || -- || '''r''' = thousand |- | '''s''' || form, image, furniture || thing || being, form, thing || '''s''' = hundred |- | '''t''' || human, body || person, animal || intelligence, knowing || |- | '''v''' || plant, color || linen || truth, attributes || |- | '''x''' || action || -- || action, doing, making || |- | '''z''' || -- || precious, art || spatial, attributes || |} : The following consonants functions rather than, or in addition to, semantic values: ::* '''l''' and '''r''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Liquids used after vowels to intensify the semantics of a word, eg.: '''baer'''....''to lean'', '''baler'''....''to press'', '''barer'''....''to crush''; ::* '''y''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Glide used 1) before a stem vowel to intensify the semantics of a word, eg. '''voa'''....''negative'' -> '''vyoa'''....''false'', or 2) after a vowel to de-intensify the semantics of a word, eg. '''ama'''....''hot'' -> '''ayma'''....''warm''. ::* '''h''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Used functionally only in certain interjections like '''hoy'''....''goodbye'' and determiners like '''his'''....''this'', and has no semantic value. ::* '''w''':&nbsp;&nbsp; Has no semantic value of its own, but is used only 1) to form the masculine gender of nouns and pronouns, eg. '''tob'''....''person'' -> '''twob'''....''man'', or 2) to form the passive voice of verbs, eg. '''uber'''....''to send'' -> '''ubwer'''....''to be sent'', or 3) to form a numerical unit marker, eg. '''awa'''....''one'', or 4) sometimes to substitute for '''y''' when this letter would cause ambiguity or difficulty in pronunciation with other consonants eg. '''jwo'''....''late'', instead of '''jyo'''. ::* '''n''':&nbsp;&nbsp; In addition to its semantic values, functions often 1) as a buffer letter, as in '''ana'''....''only'', or 2) as a suffix to derive a nominal abstraction from an adjective, such as '''fian'''....''goodness'' from '''fia'''....''good'', or from a verb, such '''axnen'''....''behaving'' from '''axner'''....''to behave''. == Vowels and Their Meanings == : Ordinal vowels in Mirad have meanings or values of the following types: ::* meronymic ::* hierarchical ::* geo-specific ::* oppositional/polar ::* vectorial ::* directional and positional ::* special === Ordinal Vowel Values === :: The numerical value of ordinal vowels is shown in the chart below. The vowels beginning with '''y''' are considered pre-y-glided vowels. These numeric values serve as the "ordinal vowel" in scaled base words. See the section on [[Mirad Grammar/Phonology and Orthography#Vowels|Vowels]]. ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Numeric Values of Vowels |- ! Ordinal Vowel !! '''o''' !! '''a''' !! '''e''' !! '''i''' !! '''u''' !! '''yo''' !! '''ya''' !! '''ye''' !! '''yi''' !! '''yu''' |- !row=1| Cardinal Number | 0 || 1 || 2 || 3 || 4 || 5 || 6 || 7 || 8 || 9 |} === Meronymic Vowel Gradation === :: Ordinal vowels can be used as the stem vowel in Group 1 base words to form a '''''{{color|blue|meronymic}}''''' series. (This gradation can also be called '''''taxonomic'''''. The top element, or hypernym, has zero ('''o''') as its defining vowel. The others are hyponyms or meronyms (= parts of the whole), and have incrementally higher numbers of their ordinal vowel. '''T<u>a</u>b''' (''body'') is the first meronym of '''t<u>o</u>b''' (''human being''), the hypernym or zeroth element. ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Meronymic Series |- !colspan=1| Rank !colspan=7| Meronymic or Taxonomic |- ! 0 | '''tob'''....''human'' || '''fob'''....''plant'' || '''vob'''....''crop''|| '''mos'''....''floor''||'''som'''....''furniture''||'''tom'''....''building''||'''job'''....''time'' |- ! 1 | '''tab'''....''body'' || '''fab'''....''tree'' || '''vab'''....''grass''|| '''mas'''....''wall''||'''sam'''....''chest of drawers''||'''tam'''....''house''||'''jab'''....''year'' |- ! 2 | '''teb'''....''head'' || '''feb'''....''fruit'' || '''veb'''....''tuft''|| '''mes'''....''door''||'''sem'''....''table''||'''tem'''....''hall''||'''jeb'''....''season'' |- ! 3 | '''tib'''....''trunk'' || '''fib'''....''trunk'' || '''vib'''....''stalk''|| '''mis'''....''window''||'''sim'''....''chair''||'''tim'''....''room''||'''jib'''....''month'' |- ! 4 | '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''fub'''....''branch'' || '''vub'''....''shoot''||'''mus'''....''stairs''||'''sum'''....''bed''||'''tum'''....''closet''||'''jub'''....''day'' |- ! 5 | '''tyob'''....''leg'' || '''fyob'''....''root'' || '''vyob'''....''tuber''|| || || ||'''jwob'''^*....''hour'' |- ! 6 | || || || || || ||'''jwab'''^*....''minute'' |- ! 7 | || || || || || ||'''jweb'''^*....''second'' |} * The letter '''w''' replaces the letter '''y''' following a '''j''', for ease of pronunciation. : The words that descend from the base word are called '''''meronyms'''''. A hypernym is a word that is higher in scale. === Hierarchical Vowel Gradation === :: Ordinal vowels can be used as the stem vowel in Group 1 base words to form a '''''{{color|blue|hierarchical}}''''' series where the top element has zero ('''o''') as its defining vowel. The others are subordinate elements and have incrementally higher numbers that define a descending series related to that top element. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Hierarchical Vowel Gradation |- !colspan=1| Rank !colspan=4| Hierarchy |- ! 0 | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''dot'''....''society'' || '''tod'''....''family''||'''xob'''....''organization'' |- ! 1 | '''dab'''....''government'' || '''dat'''....''friend'' || '''tad'''....''spouse''||'''xab'''....''staff'' |- ! 2 | '''deb'''....''leader'' || '''det'''....''associate'' || '''ted'''....''parent''||'''xeb'''....''boss'' |- ! 3 | '''dib'''....''ministry'' || '''dit'''....''citizen'' ||'''tid'''....''sibling''||'''xib'''....''department'' |- ! 4 | '''dub'''....''minister'' || '''dut'''....''gentleman'' || '''tud'''....''child''||'''xub'''....''branch'' |} === Geo-specific Vowel Gradation === : Ordinals can have '''''{{color|blue|geo-specific}}''''' values, that is values, related to the sky, land, sea, outer space, and underground. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Geo-specific Vowel Values |- ! Ordinal ! Geo-sphere ! colspan=7| Examples |- | align=center | '''o''' || ''outer space, top level'' || '''m<u>o</u>p'''....''orbit'' || '''mom'''....''outer space''|| '''mol'''....''nature''||'''dop'''....''military''||'''pop'''....''voyage''||'''mol'''....''nature''||'''pot'''....''wild animal'' |- | align=center | '''a''' || ''air, gas, sky'' || '''m<u>a</u>p'''....''wind'' || '''mam'''....''sky'' ||'''mal'''....''air''||'''dap'''....''air force''||'''pap'''....''flight''||'''mal'''....''wind''||'''pat'''....''bird'' |- | align=center | '''e''' || ''ground, soil, solid'' || '''m<u>e</u>p'''....''road'' || '''mem'''....''land''|| '''mel'''....''soil''||'''dep'''....''army''||'''pep'''....''ride''||'''mel'''....''soil''||'''pet'''....''domestic land animal'' |- | align=center | '''i''' || ''liquid'', ''water'', ''sea'' || '''m<u>i</u>p'''....''river'' || '''mim'''....''sea''|| '''mil'''....''water''||'''dip'''....''marines''|| '''pip'''....''navigation/sail''||'''mil'''....''water''||'''pit'''....''fish'' |- | align=center | '''u''' || ''underground'', ''mineral'', ''substance'' || '''m<u>u</u>p'''....''tunnel''|| '''mum'''....''underground'' || '''mul'''....''mineral''|| ||'''pup'''....''tunneling''||'''mul'''....''matter''|| |} === Spectral Ordinal Vowel Gradation === : The basic color terms use the natural order of the spectrum to determine the ordinal vowels: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Spectral Ordinal Vowel Gradation |- ! Order || Mirad !! English |- | 0 || '''olza'''¹ || ''blank, of no color'' |- | 1 || '''alza''' || ''red'' |- | 2 || '''elza''' || ''orange'' |- | 3 || '''ilza''' || ''yellow'' |- | 4 || '''ulza''' || ''green'' |- | 5 || '''yolza''' || ''blue'' |- | 6 || '''yalza''' || ''purple'' |- | 7 || '''yelza''' || ''indigo'' |} {{small/top}} : 1) In the natural spectrum, there really is no 0th order. {{small/end}} : The colors black and white are: :* '''malza'''....''white'' :* '''molza'''....''black'' : Some colors are hybrids of two colors: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Hybrid Colors |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''aolza''' || ''pink'' (a blend of ''blank'' and ''red'') |- | '''youlza''' || ''blue-green'' |- | '''maolza''' || ''gray'' (a blend of ''black'' and ''white'') |} : The word for ''brown'' is based on the word for ''soil'': :* '''melza'''....''brown'' (< '''mel'''....''soil'') : Two other colors are based on metals: :* '''agelkza'''....''silver'' (based on '''agelk'''....''silver metal'' :* '''aulkza'''....''gold'' (based on '''aulk'''....''gold metal'' === Oppositional (or Polar) Vowel Values === : In Group 2 stems: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Oppositional Vowel Values |- | '''a'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ya''' || intermediate || '''i'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yi''' |- | <big>⇑</big> positive<br><big>⇓</big>negative || '''e'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ye''' || <big>⇑</big> positive<br><big>⇓</big>negative |- | '''o'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yo''' || value || '''u'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<big>⇔</big>&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yu''' |} ::* positive '''a''' contrasts with negative '''o'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''av'''....''for'' vs. '''ov'''....''against'') ::* positive '''ya''' contrasts with negative '''yo'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''yava'''....''innocent'' vs. '''yova'''....''guilty'') ::* positive '''i''' contrasts with negative '''u'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''fia'''....''good'' vs. '''fua'''....''bad'') ::* positive '''yi''' contrasts with negative '''yu'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''yiva'''....''free'' vs. '''yuva'''....''bound'') ::* '''e''' and '''ye''' are in-between values&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ('''eva'''....''neutral'', '''yeva'''....''fair'') ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Group 1 Oppositional Vowel Gradation |- ! positive !! intermediate !! negative |- | '''aga'''....''big'' || '''ega'''....''normal'' || '''oga'''....''small'' |- | '''yava'''....''innocent'' || '''yeva'''....''just''|| '''yova'''....''guilty'' |- | '''ava'''....''for'' || '''eva'''....''neutral'' || '''ova'''....''against'' |- | '''aker'''....''to win'' || '''eker'''....''to risk'' || '''oker'''....''to lose'' |- | '''yak'''....''expectation'' || '''yek'''....''attempt'' || '''yok'''....''surprise'' |- | '''fia'''....''good'' || || '''fua'''....''bad'' |- | '''ifer'''....''love'' || || '''ufer'''....''hate'' |- | '''yifa'''....''brave'' || || '''yufa'''....''afraid'' |} : Some Group 1 base words have ordinal vowel stems that exhibit '''''oppositional''''' values: : The Group 1 base word '''bok''' (''illness'') is a good example: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-let:3.2em" |+ Group 1 base word with oppositional values |- ! Positive !! Intermediate !! Negative |- valign=top |'''bak'''....''health''||'''bek'''....''treatment''||'''bok'''....''illness'' |- |'''byak'''....''hygiene''||'''byek'''....''cure''||'''byok'''....''pain''<br>'''byoyk'''....''ache''<br>'''blok'''....''suffering''<br>'''brok'''....''agony'' |- |'''baak'''....''sanitation''|| ||'''book'''....''fatigue'' |- |'''bik'''....''care''|| ||'''buk'''....''wound''<br>'''buyk'''....''sore'' |} === Vectorial Vowel Values === : These ordinal vowels have to do with directions, up, down, south, left, etc. {{big/top}}&nbsp;&nbsp; ::::::'''a''' ::::::↑ ::::'''u'''&nbsp;&nbsp;←&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''e'''&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;→&nbsp;&nbsp;'''i''' ::::::↓ ::::::'''o''' {{big/end}} :::'''a'''....''on, above, north'' ('''ab'''....''on'', '''zamer'''....''north'') :::'''e'''....''center, middle, equator'' ('''eb'''....''between'', '''ze'''....''center'') :::'''o'''....''off, below, south'' ('''ob'''....''off'', '''zomer'''....''south'') :::'''i'''....''right, east'' ('''zi'''....''right'', '''zimer'''....''east'') :::'''u'''....''left, west'' ('''zu'''....''left'', '''zumer'''....''west'') === Directional and Positional Vowel Values === {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Directional and Positional Vowel Values |- | colspan=8 align=center | '''A''' |- | rowspan=6 align=center | '''U''' || || '''a'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''<u>a</u>''' || <big>↑</big><br>'''<u>ya</u>''' ||'''ya'''<br>↑<big></big> || || rowspan=6 align=center | '''I''' |- | '''u''' → || || '''<u>e</u>'''||'''<u>ye</u>''' || || → '''i''' |- | → '''<u>u</u>''' || ||'''e''' ||'''ye''' || || '''<u>i</u>''' → |- | → '''<u>yu</u>''' || || colspan=2 align=center| '''E''' || || '''<u>yi</u>''' → |- | '''yu''' → || || || || || → '''yi''' |- | || <big>↑</big><br>'''o''' || '''<u>o</u>'''<br>↑<big></big> || '''<u>yo</u>'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''yo''' || |- | colspan=8 align=center| '''O''' |} :: Explanation of the above chart: :::* If the vowel is capitalized, it indicates a '''''positional''''' value. It is used in its lowercase spelling as a prefix in Group I words. :::* The non-capitalized vowels (including y-glides) indicate '''''directional''''' values. :::* If the vowel is underlined, it means that it is placed '''''before''''' the classifier consonant (prefixed) in verbs :::* Otherwise, a normal vowel means that it is placed '''''after''''' the classifier consonant (infixed) in Group 2 words. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Explanation of the Vowel Meanings Chart |- | '''A''' || position || || on, above, north || '''z<u>a</u>mer'''....''north'' |- | '''a''' || movement || (free) || ''on'' || '''b<u>a</u>er'''....''lean'' |- | '''<u>a</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''onto''||'''<u>a</u>ber'''....''put on'' |- | '''ya''' || movement || (free) || ''up, ascend''|| '''b<u>ya</u>er'''....''lift'' |- | '''<u>ya</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''up, get up, set up''|| '''<u>ya</u>ber'''....''raise'' |- | '''O''' || position || || under, lower, south|| '''z<u>o</u>mer'''....''south'' |- | '''yo''' || movement || (free) || ''off''|| '''b<u>yo</u>er'''....''hang'' |- | '''<u>o</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''on the bottom of, underneath''|| '''<u>o</u>per'''....''get off'' |- | '''yo''' || movement || (free) || ''down''|| '''p<u>yo</u>ser'''....''fall'' |- | '''<u>yo</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''fall''|| '''<u>yo</u>per'''....''rise'' |- | '''U''' || position || || left, west|| '''z<u>u</u>mer'''....''west'' |- | '''u''' || movement || (free) || ''move toward the center, come''|| '''<u>u</u>ber'''....''send'' |- | '''<u>u</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''reach the center, arrive''|| '''p<u>yu</u>er'''....''reach'' |- | '''yu''' || movement || (free) || ''near, approach''|| '''<u>yu</u>ber'''....''approach'' |- | '''<u>yu</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''near, reach''|| '''b<u>yu</u>ser'''....''touch'' |- | '''I''' || position || || right, east|| '''z''i''mer'''....''east'' |- | '''i''' || movement || (free) || ''from the center out, go away''|| '''p<u>i</u>er'''....''go away'' |- | '''<u>i</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from the center out, leave''|| '''<u>i</u>per'''....''leave'' |- | '''yi''' || movement || (free) || ''away, go far''|| '''<u>yi</u>per'''....''go far'' |- | '''<u>yi</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from afar, originate''|| '''p<u>yi</u>ser'''....''originate'' |- | '''E''' || position || || center, equator|| '''z<u>e</u>mer'''....''equator'' |- | '''e''' || rest || || ''between''|| '''<u>e</u>b'''....''between'' |- | '''<u>e</u>''' || rest || || ''at, stay, hold''|| '''b<u>e</u>xer'''....''hold'' |- | '''ye''' || movement || || ''in, into, enter''|| '''<u>ye</u>per'''....''enter'' |- | '''<u>ye</u>''' || ||(contact) || ''contain''|| '''b<u>ye</u>er'''....''contain'' |} === Special value of certain letters === : The prefixes '''a-''' or '''an-''' meaning ''one, sole, singular''. ::* '''aot'''....''person'' ::* '''anot'''....''individual'' : Also, the prefix '''yan-''' meaning ''together'' contrasts with '''yon-'''....''apart''. ::* '''yanber'''....''to compose'' ::* '''yonber'''....''to separate'' : The letter '''y''' is prefixed to the vowels of personal pronouns to make them plural: ::* '''at'''....''I, me'' as opposed to '''yat'''....''we, us'' ::* '''et'''....''you'' as opposed to '''yet'''....''you (pl.), you all'' ::* '''it'''....''he, she, him, her'' as opposed to '''yit'''....''they, them'' ::* '''is'''....''it'' as opposed to '''yis'''....''they, them'' : The letter '''y''' is post-fixed to vowels to change the gender to specifically feminine: ::* '''it'''....''he, she, him, her'' as opposed to '''iyt'''....''she, her'' ::* '''tob'''....''person, human being'' as opposed to '''toyb'''....''woman'' : The letter '''w''' is prefixed to vowels to change the gender to specifically masculine: ::* '''it'''....''he, she, him, her'' as opposed to '''wit'''....''he, him'' ::* '''tob'''....''person, human being'' as opposed to '''twob'''....''man'' === The Meaning of Group 1 Base Words === :: The meaning of the base words of Group 1 comes from the combination of the values of the classifier (initial) and the generic (final) consonants. :: The ordinal vowel of those Group 1 base words has a 1) scalar/hierachical, 2) geo-spatial, 3) oppositional, 4) vectorial/positional, or 5) mnemonic values. :: The following table shows some Group 1 bases words, the meaning of their consonants, and the type of ordinal vowel scalarity: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Group 1 Zeroth-level Scalar Base Words and Meanings of the Consonants |- ! Base Word !! Classifier Consonant !! Generic Consonant !! Scalarity Type |- | '''tob'''....''person'' || '''t''' = ''human'' || '''b''' = ''organism'' || meronymic |- | '''tof'''....''clothing'' || " " " || '''f''' = ''fabric'' || meronymic |- | '''tod'''....''family'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''society'' || meronymic |- | '''tom'''....''building'' || " " " || '''m''' = ''place'' || meronymic |- | '''tov'''....''lingerie'' || " " " || '''v''' = ''linen'' || meronymic |- | '''tol'''....''nourishment'' || " " " || '''l''' = ''food'' || oppositional |- | '''top'''....''soul, spirit'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''motion'' || meronymic |- | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''d''' = ''society'' || '''b''' = ''organism''||hierarchical |- | '''dop'''....''military'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''movement'' || geo-specific |- | '''dot'''....''society'' || " " " || '''t''' = ''human''|| hierarchical |- | '''dom'''....''city'' || " " " || '''m''' = ''place''|| geo-specific |- | '''job'''....''time'' || '''j''' = ''time'' || '''b'''....''organism''|| hierarchical |- | '''fob'''....''vegetation'' || '''f''' = ''vegetable'' || '''b''' = ''organism''|| meronymic |- | '''vob'''....''crop'' || '''v''' = ''plant'' || '''b''' = ''organism''|| meronymic |- | '''vos'''....''flower'' || " " " || '''s''' = ''thing''|| meronymic |- | '''volz'''....''color'' || " " " || '''lz''' = ''color, art''|| spectral |- | '''som'''....''furniture'' || '''s''' = ''thing'' || '''m''' = ''place''|| meronymic |- | '''mos'''....''floor'' || '''m''' = ''place, nature'' || '''s''' = ''thing''|| meronymic |- | '''mor'''....''universe'' || " " " || '''r''' = ''machine, system''|| geo-specific |- | '''mom'''....''outer space'' || " " " || '''m''' = ''place''|| geo-specific |- | '''mol'''....''nature'' || " " " || '''l''' = ''substance''|| geo-specific |- | '''mop'''....''orbit'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''movement''|| geo-specific |- | '''pot'''....''animal'' || '''p''' = ''movement'' || '''t''' = ''human, animal''|| geo-specific |- | '''bok'''....''illness'' || '''b''' = ''organ'' || '''k''' = ''condition''|| oppositional |- | '''nom'''....''place'' || '''n''' = ''commercial'' || '''m''' = ''place''|| special |- | '''nog'''....''degree'' || " " " || '''g''' = ''measurement''|| special |- | '''nof'''....''cloth'' || " " " || '''f''' = ''cloth''|| special |- | '''nov'''....''linen'' || " " " || '''v''' = ''linen''|| special |- | '''nod'''....''point'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''communication''|| special |- | '''xob'''....''organization'' || '''x''' = ''action'' || '''b''' = ''organism''|| hierarchical |} ==== Special Arrangement ==== : Other Group 1 nouns, listed in the chart below, have an ordinal vowel which is not so much geo-specific or hierarchical per se, but rather special in some fashion. The consonants, especially the classifier consonant, have meanings like those in the above chart. {| border=0 {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Other Group 1 Base Words |- valign=top | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! d- <br>communication |- | '''daz'''<br>''dance'' |- | '''dyaz'''<br>''ballet'' |- | '''dyez'''<br>''cinema'' |- | '''drez'''<br>''poetry'' |- | '''dez'''<br>''theater'' |- | '''diz'''<br>''comedy'' |- | '''din'''<br>''story'' |- | '''dun'''<br>''word'' |- | '''duz'''<br>''music'' |- | '''dyun'''<br>''name'' |- | '''dyan'''<br>''sentence'' |- | '''dyes'''<br>''book'' |- | '''deup'''<br>''rhythm'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! dr- <br>write |- | '''drof'''<br>''board'' |- | '''draf'''<br>''card'' |- | '''dref'''<br>''paper'' |- | '''drov'''<br>''cardboard'' |- | '''drav'''<br>''notebook'' |- | '''drev'''<br>''page'' |- | '''drez'''<br>''poetry'' |- | '''drar'''<br>''pencil'' |- | '''drir'''<br>''typewriter'' |- | '''drur'''<br>''printer'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! m- <br>nature |- | '''mag'''<br>''fire'' |- | '''mak'''<br>''electricity'' |- | '''mog'''<br>''ash'' |- | '''meg'''<br>''stone'' |- | '''mef'''<br>''brick'' |- | '''mug'''<br>''metal'' |- | '''muk'''<br>''mineral'' |- | '''mez'''<br>''crystal'' |- | '''mek'''<br>''dust'' |- | '''myek'''<br>''powder'' |- | '''mav'''<br>''flame'' |- | '''mov'''<br>''smoke'' |- | '''maf'''<br>''cloud'' |- | '''maj'''<br>''daytime'' |- | '''moj'''<br>''night'' |- | '''man'''<br>''light'' |- | '''maz'''<br>''shine'' |- | '''mon'''<br>''shade'' |- | '''moz'''<br>''dark'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! n- <br>commerce |- | '''naz'''<br>''value'' |- | '''nas'''<br>''money'' |- | '''nax'''<br>''price'' |- | '''nyaz'''<br>''wealth'' |- | '''nyan'''<br>''stack'' |- | '''nox'''<br>''expense'' |- | '''nyox'''<br>''waste'' |- | '''nex'''<br>''saving'' |- | '''nyex'''<br>''storing'' |- | '''nix'''<br>''earning'' |- | '''nyix'''<br>''order'' |- | '''nux'''<br>''pay'' |- | '''nyux'''<br>''supply'' |- | '''nun'''<br>''merchandise'' |- | '''nyun'''<br>''product'' |- | '''nuz'''<br>''jewel'' |- | '''nem'''<br>''location'' |- | '''nyem'''<br>''place'' |- | '''nyeb'''<br>''box'' |- | '''nab'''<br>''row'' |- | '''nap'''<br>''order'' |- | '''nad'''<br>''line'' |- | '''nod'''<br>''point'' |- | '''ned'''<br>''plane'' |- | '''nyed'''<br>''grid'' |- | '''nyad'''<br>''chain'' |- | '''nid'''<br>''volume'' |- | '''nag'''<br>''measure'' |- | '''nak'''<br>''metric value'' |- | '''nog'''<br>''degree'' |- | '''nig'''<br>''space'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! j- <br>time |- | '''jag'''<br>''age'' |- | '''jud'''<br>''date'' |- | '''jod'''<br>''instance'' |- | '''jop'''<br>''sequence'' |- | '''jep'''<br>''process'' |- | '''jwap'''<br>''moment'' |- | '''jwep'''<br>''instant'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! s- <br>thing |- | '''sag'''<br>''number'' |- | '''saz'''<br>''sculpture'' |- | '''san'''<br>''form'' |- | '''saun'''<br>''kind'' |- | '''son'''<br>''matter (abstract)'' |- | '''sin'''<br>''image'' |- | '''siz'''<br>''painting'' |- | '''sun'''<br>''thing (concrete)'' |- | '''syan'''<br>''class'' |- | '''syen'''<br>''style'' |- | '''syin'''<br>''subject'' |- | '''syun'''<br>''object'' |- | '''sar'''<br>''instrument'' |- | '''sir'''<br>''machine'' |- | '''sor'''<br>''engine'' |- | '''sur'''<br>''motor'' |} | {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow" |- ! t- <br>human / knowledge |- | '''taz'''<br>''statue'' |- | '''tap'''<br>''physique'' |- | '''tep'''<br>''mind'' |- | '''top'''<br>''spirit'' |- | '''tuz'''<br>''art'' |- | '''toz'''<br>''skin color'' |- | '''tez'''<br>''culture'' |- | '''tyez'''<br>''magic'' |- | '''tin'''<br>''doctrine'' |- | '''tun'''<br>''science'' |- | '''tyan'''<br>''class'' |- | '''tyen'''<br>''skill'' |- | '''tyun'''<br>''idea'' |- | '''tos'''<br>''sensation'' |- | '''tes'''<br>''meaning'' |- | '''tot'''<br>''god'' |- | '''tat'''<br>''angel'' |} |} === The Meaning of Group 2 Base Words === :: The meaning of Group 2 base word stems comes from the combination of the values of the classifier consonant and the ordinal (stem) vowel. The stem does not include adjectival ('''-a'''), adverbial ('''-ay'''), and verbal inflections ('''-er''', '''-ser''', '''-xer''', etc.), which are shown in a smaller typeface after the stem. :: The ordinal (stem vowel) holds oppositional values like positive, intermediary, and negative. :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Stems of Group 2 Base Words |- ! Classifier Consonant !! Positive !! Intermediate !! Negative !! Positive !! Negative |- ! rowspan=4|'''j''' <br>(''time'') | '''ja'''<br>''before'' || '''je'''<br>''during'' || '''jo'''<br>''after''||'''ji'''<br>''since'' || '''ju'''<br>''until'' |- | '''aj'''<br>''past'' || '''ej'''<br>''present'' || '''oj'''<br>''future'' || '''ij^er'''<br>''beginning/begin'' || '''uj/^er'''<br>''end/end'' |- | '''taj^er'''<br>''birth/to be born'' || '''tej^er'''<br>''life/to live'' || '''toj^er'''<br>''death/to die'' || '''tij^er'''<br>''awake state/to be awake'' || '''tuj^er'''<br>''sleep/to sleep'' |- | '''jwa'''<br>''early'' || '''jwe'''<br>''on time'' || '''jwo'''<br>''late'' || '''yij^a'''<br>''opening/open'' || '''yuj^a'''<br>''closing/closed'' |- !rowspan=4| '''g'''<br>(''measurement'') | '''ga'''<br>''more'' || '''ge'''<br>''equal'' || '''go'''<br>''less''|| '''gi'''ⁿ<br>''point'' || '''gu'''ⁿ<br>''angle'' |- | '''ag'''^a<br>''big'' || '''eg^a'''<br>''normal'' || '''og'''^a<br>''small'' || '''ig'''^a<br>''fast'' || '''ug'''^a<br>''slow'' |- | '''yag'''^a<br>''long'' || '''yeg'''^a<br>''normal'' || '''yog'''^a<br>''short'' || '''yig'''^a<br>''hard'' || '''yug'''^a<br>''soft'' |- | '''gya'''^a<br>''thick'' || '''gye'''^a<br>''enough'' || '''gyo-'''<br>''thin'' || '''gyi'''^a<br>''solid'' || '''gyu'''^a<br>''fragile'' |- !rowspan=4| '''k'''<br>(''randomness'') | '''ka'''^xer<br>''find'' || '''ke'''^xer<br>''seek'' || '''ko'''^xer<br>''hide'' || '''ki'''^a<br>''oblique''|| '''ku'''^a<br>''lateral'' |- | '''ak'''^er<br>''win'' || '''ek'''^er<br>''play'' || '''ok'''^er<br>''lose'' || '''ik'''^a<br>''full'' || '''uk'''^a<br>''empty'' |- | '''yak'''^er<br>''expect'' || '''yek'''^er<br>''try'' || '''yok'''^er<br>''suprise'' || '''yik'''^a<br>''difficult'' || '''yuk'''^a<br>''easy'' |- | '''kya'''^a<br>''mobile'' || '''kye'''^a<br>''haphazard'' || '''kyo'''^a<br>''fixed'' ||'''kyi'''^a<br>''heavy'' || '''kyu'''^a<br>''light'' |- ! '''m'''<br>(''nature'') | '''am'''^a<br>''hot'' || -- || '''om'''^a<br>''cold'' || '''im'''^a<br>''wet'' || '''um'''^a<br>''dry'' |- ! rowspan=4|'''f'''^er<br>(''want'', qualities) | || || || '''fi'''^a<br>''good'' || '''fu'''^a<br>''bad'' |- | '''fya'''^a<br>''holy'' || '''fye'''^a<br>''mythical'' || '''fyo'''^a<br>''profane''|| '''fyi'''^a<br>''useful'' || '''fyu'''^a<br>''harmful'' |- | '''yaf'''^er<br>''be able'' || '''yef'''^er<br>''must''|| '''yof'''^er<br>''cannot'' || '''yif'''^er<br>''dare'' || '''yuf'''^er<br>''fear'' |- | '''af'''^er<br>''may'' || '''ef'''^er<br>''need'' || '''of'''^er<br>''be prohibited'' || '''if'''^er<br>''love'' || '''uf'''^er<br>''hate'' |- !rowspan=6| '''v'''<br>(''truth, qualities'' ) | '''va'''<br>''yes'' || '''ve'''<br>''maybe'' || '''vo'''<br>''no''|| '''vi'''^a<br>''beautiful'' || '''vu'''^a<br>''ugly'' |- | '''vay'''<br>''really''||'''vey'''<br>''may''||'''voy'''<br>''not'' || || |- | '''av'''<br>''for'' || '''ev'''^a<br>''neutral'' || '''ov'''<br>''against''|| '''iv'''^a<br>''happy'' || '''uv'''^a<br>''sad'' |- | '''vya'''^a<br>''true'' || '''vye'''^a<br>''relative'' || '''vyo'''^a<br>''false''|| '''vyi'''^a<br>''clean'' || '''vyu'''^a<br>''dirty'' |- | '''yav'''^a<br>''innocent'' || '''yev'''^a<br>''fair'' || '''yov'''^a<br>''guilty''|| '''yiv'''^a<br>''free'' || '''yuv'''^a<br>''captive'' |- | '''van'''<br>''that'' || '''ven'''<br>''if'' || '''von'''<br>''lest''|| || |- ! rowspan=5|'''z'''<br>(spatial) | '''za'''<br>''in front of'' || '''ze'''<br>''in the middle of'' || '''zo'''<br>''in back of''|| '''zi'''^a<br>''right'' || '''zu'''^a<br>''left'' |- | '''zay'''<br>''ahead'' || '''zey'''<br>''across'' || '''zoy'''<br>''back, re-''|| || |- | '''zya'''^a<br>''wide'' || '''zye'''<br>''through'' || '''zyo'''^a<br>''narrow''||'''zyi'''^a<br>''flat'' || '''zyu'''^a<br>''round'' |- | '''az'''^a<br>''strong'' || '''ez'''^a<br>''moderate'' || '''oz'''^a<br>''weak''|| '''iz'''^a<br>''straight'' || '''uz'''^a<br>''curved'' |- | '''yaz'''^a<br>''convex'' || '''yez'''<br>''along'' || '''yoz'''^a<br>''concave'' || '''yiz'''<br>''beyond'' || '''yuz'''<br>''around'' |- ! rowspan=4|'''b-'''^er<br>(''put'') | '''ba'''^y/(^xer)<br>''with, (agitate)'' || '''be'''^y/(^(xer))<br>''at/by, (hold)'' || '''bo'''^y(^xer)<br>''without/(calm)''|| '''bi^(er/xer)'''<br>''from, (take/pull)'' || '''bu'''^(er/xer)<br>''to, (give/push)'' |- | '''ab'''^(er)<br>''on,(put on)'' || '''eb'''^(er)<br>''between,(block)'' || '''ob'''(^er)<br>''off,(take off)'' || '''ib'''^(er)<br>''away,(receive)'' || '''ub'''^(er)<br>''toward,(send)'' |- | '''bya'''^ser/xer<br>''stand/erect'' || '''bye'''^xer<br>''tap'' || '''byo'''^ser/xer<br>''hang/hang''|| '''byi'''^(ser)<br>''since,(originate)'' || '''byu'''^(ser/xer)<br>''up to,(contact/touch)'' |- | '''yab'''^(er)<br>''up,(raise)'' || '''yeb'''^(er)<br>''in,(put in)''<br>'''oyeb'''^(er)<br>''out,(take out)'' || '''yob'''^(er)<br>''down,(lower)''|| '''yib'''^(er)<br>''far,(remove)'' || '''yub'''^(er)<br>''near,(bring)'' |- ! rowspan=4|'''p'''^er<br>(''go'') | '''pa'''^ser/xer<br>''move/move'' || '''pe'''^ser/xer<br>''wait/trap'' || '''po'''^ser/xer<br>''stop/stop''|| '''pi'''^er/ser/xer<br>''leave/withdraw/catch'' || '''pu'''^er/ser/xer<br>''arrive/jump/throw'' |- | '''pya'''^er/ser/xer<br>''hover/jump up/launch'' || '''pye'''^ser/xer<br>''encounter/strike'' || '''pyo'''^ser/xer<br>''fall/drop''|| '''pyi'''^ser/xer<br>''emanate/derive'' || '''pyu'''^ser/xer<br>''reach/impact'' |- | '''yap'''^er<br>''rise'' || '''yep'''^er<br>''enter'' || '''yop'''^er<br>''descend''|| '''yip'''^er<br>''go far'' || '''yup'''^er<br>''approach'' |- | '''ap'''^er<br>''get on'' || '''ep'''^er<br>''intervene'' || '''op'''^er<br>''get off'' || '''ip'''^er<br>''go away'' ||'''up'''^er<br>''come'' |- !rowspan=2| '''s'''^er<br>(''be'') | '''sa'''^n/s/xer<br>''shape/evolve/make'' ||'''se'''^xer<br>''build'' || '''so'''^n/xer<br>''matter/destroy''|| '''si'''^n/yn<br>''image/sign'' || '''su'''^n/er/xer<br>''thing/provide/realize'' |- | '''as'''^er<br>''become'' || '''es'''^er<br>''exist'' || '''os'''^er<br>''cease to be'' || || |- ! rowspan=3|'''x'''^er<br>(''do'' ) | '''xa'''^ler<br>''execute'' || '''xe'''^ler<br>''practice'' || '''xo'''^ler<br>''fail'' || '''xi'''^ler<br>''undertake'' || '''xu'''^ler<br>''provoke'' |- |'''ax'''^ler<br>''act'' || '''ex'''^er<br>''function'' || '''ox'''^ler<br>''abstain'' || '''ix'''^er<br>''effect'' || '''ux'''^er<br>''cause'' |- | '''yax'''^er<br>''be busy'' || '''yex'''^er<br>''work'' || '''yox'''^er<br>''be idle'' || '''yix'''^er<br>''use'' || '''yux'''^er<br>''help'' |- ! '''t'''^er/rer/yer<br>(''know/recognize/know how'') | '''ta'''^xer<br>''remember'' || '''te'''^xer<br>''think'' || '''to'''^xer<br>''forget'' || '''ti'''^er/xer<br>''learn/study''<br>'''tri'''^er<br>''get to know''<br>'''tyi'''^er<br>''learn how'' || '''tu'''^er/xer/uxer<br>''inform/teach/raise''<br>'''tru'''^er<br>''familiarize''<br>'''tyu'''^er<br>''train'' |- ! '''d'''^er/rer<br>(''say/write'') | '''da'''^ler<br>''talk'' || '''de'''^ler<br>''state''<br>'''dye'''^er<br>''read'' || '''do'''^ler<br>''be silent''<br>'''dro'''^er<br>''erase'' || '''di'''^er/ler/rer<br>''ask/beg/require'' || '''du'''^er/ler/rer<br>''suggest/insist/demand''<br>'''dyu'''^er<br>''call'' |- ! rowspan=2|'''h-'''<br>(determiners) | '''ha'''^(a)<br>''the'' || '''he'''^a<br>''some'' || '''ho'''^a<br>''which'' || '''hi'''^a<br>''this'' || '''hu'''^a<br>''that'' |- | '''hya'''^(a)<br>''all'' || '''hye'''^a<br>''any'' || '''hyo'''^a<br>''no'' || '''hyi'''^a<br>''same'' || '''hyu'''^a<br>''other'' |- ! rowspan=2| (conjunctions) |'''ay'''<br>''and'' || '''ey'''<br>''or'' || '''oy'''<br>''but'' || || |- |'''ya'''ⁿ<br>''together'' || ||'''yo'''ⁿ<br>''apart''|| || |- ! rowspan=2| (numbers) | '''a'''<br>''one''|| '''e'''<br>''two''|| '''o'''<br>''zero''|| '''i'''<br>''three''|| '''u'''<br>''four'' |- | '''ya'''<br>''six''|| '''ye'''<br>''seven''|| '''yo'''<br>''five''|| '''yi'''<br>''eight''|| '''yu'''<br>''nine'' |- ! rowspan=1| (privatives) | || || '''lo-''' (''dis-/un-'')<br>'''lyo-''' (''dis-'')<br>'''oy-''' (''-less'')|| || |} :: <small>* Mixed root. '''taj/tej/toj''' instead of '''yaj/yej/yoj''', because the human letter root '''t''' is more intuitive.</small> :: Note: The opposition '''(y)a'''-'''(y)e'''-'''(y)o''' is a three-way opposition with an intermediary sense, but '''(y)i-(y)u''' is two-way, without any intermediary sense. == Derived Word Formation Rules == : Derived words are formed in accordance with certain simple rules of word-building: : These consist of the following rules: ::# Compounding ::# Affixation ::# Ordinal Vowel Scaling ::# Overlapping ::# Adding Ordinal Vowels ::# Swapping Generic Consonants ::# Marking Words for Gender ::# Deriving Words with Geo-specific Vowels ::# Deriving Words with Directional and Positional Vowels ::# Deriving Words with a Mnemonic Pattern ::# Deriving Nuanced Words Phonetically === Rule #1: Compounding === [[File:Compound 6 (maraviroc development).svg|thumb|]] : Compound words are obtained through the combination of two or more whole words or stub words. In the combining process, the determining word is placed quite simply in front of the word it determines. Compounds consist mainly of noun + noun, but there can be other part-of-speech combinations. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Compounding |- ! Component 1 !! Component 2 !! Compound |- | '''mor'''....''cosmos'' || '''tun'''....''science, -ology'' || '''mortun'''....''cosmology'' |- | '''mag'''....''fire'' || '''memyaz'''....''mountain'' || '''magmemyaz'''....''volcano'' |- | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''mem'''....''land'' || '''dobmem'''....''territory'' |- | '''tul'''....''dish'' || '''dras'''....''something written'' || '''tuldras'''....''menu'' |- | '''sin'''....''picture'' || '''dras'''....''something written'' || '''sindras'''....''description'' |- | '''tam'''....''house'' || '''kyoxer'''....''to fix (in place)'' || '''tamkyoxer'''....''to settle'' |- | '''tax'''....''memory'' || '''drer'''....''to write'' || '''taxdrer'''....''to record'' |- | '''kyo-'''....''fixed'' || '''tep-'''....''mind'' || '''kyotepa'''....''stubborn'' |} : Sometimes, the first element can be a stub of a whole word, i.e. the word with the final consonant dropped. The word for ''rain'', for example, is '''ma(m)''' (''sky'') + '''mil''' (''water''), where the final consonant of the first word is dropped, thus, '''mamil'''. : When compounding an adjective with a noun, if the adjective begins with a vowel, often it will be suffixed to the noun, otherwise prefixed, (but this is not a strict rule), eg: :* '''uzra'''....''twisted'' + '''tep'''....''mind'' ---> '''tepuzra'''....''crazy'' :* '''kyoa'''....''fixed'' + '''tep'''....''mind'' ----> '''kyotepa'''....''stubborn, obsessed'' :* '''aza'''....''strong'' + '''tep'''....''mind'' ----> '''tepaza'''....''intelligent'' :* '''fua'''....''bad'' + '''tip'''....''mood'' ----> '''futipa'''....''cross, ill-tempered'' :* '''aga'''....''big'' + '''tip'''....''mood'' ----> '''tipaga'''....''magnanimous, generous'' === Rule #2: Affixation === [[File:Word Cloud of Various Prefixes.png|thumb|]] : Most adverbs and prepositions can be used as prefixes: ==== Prefixes ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Adverbs and Prepositions as Prefixes |- ! Prefix !! Base !! Compound |- | '''ja'''....''before'' ||'''per'''....''to go'' || '''japer'''....''to precede'' |- | '''jo'''....''after'' ||'''per'''....''to go'' || '''joper'''....''to follow'' |- | '''va'''....''yes'' ||'''der'''....''to say'' || '''vader'''....''to affirm'' |- | '''jo'''....''after'' ||'''dras'''....''something written'' || '''jodras'''....''postscript'' |- | '''za'''....''ahead'' ||'''jub'''....''day'' || '''zajub'''....''tomorrow'' |- | '''yon'''....''apart'' ||'''mel'''....''land'' || '''yonmel'''....''island'' |} : Prepositional prefixes ending in '''b''' with verbs '''per''' and '''ber''' (and their derivations) lose the '''b''' before verbal elements based on '''per''' (''go'') and '''ber''' (''put''), as shown in the following chart: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Assimilation of b and p |- ! Prefix !! Base Verb !! New Verb |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''yaber'''....''raise'' (NOT: '''yabber''') |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''yaper'''....''rise'' (NOT: '''yabper''') |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''aber'''....''put on, apply'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''aper'''....''get on, mount'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''yober'''....''take down'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''yoper'''....''descend'' |- | '''ob'''....''off'' || '''ber'''....''put'' || '''ober'''....''take off, remove'' |- | '''ob'''....''on'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''oper'''....''get off, dismount'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in'' || '''bux'''....''a push'' || '''yebux'''....''impulse'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in'' || '''pyoser'''....''fall'' || '''yepyoser'''....''collapse'' |} : The loss of the '''b''' in the above words in one of the only cases of '''''fusion''''' in Mirad's grammar. Mirad is by and large an agglutinative language where building-blocks are juxtaposed with no change of form. Another case of fusion is when so-called '''''stubs''''' are combined. For example, '''doyijem''' (''public square''), which is composed of '''do(m)'''....''city'' + '''yij(a)'''....''open'' + '''(n)em'''....''place''. The morphemes (= building-block words) of Mirad always have one and only one meaning, unlike in English where the prefix '''a-''' can have many different meanings. : The adjective ending '''a''' is often dropped¹, as is the '''er''' or prefixes taken from verbs. Longish noun prefixes are sometimes clipped, so that '''tyoyab''' becomes '''tyoya-'''. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Prefixes Built on Words and Word Stubs |- ! Prefix !! Base Verb !! Compound Verb |- | '''oza'''....''weak'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''ozder'''....''whisper'' |- | '''yaga'''....''long'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''yagder'''....''ramble'' |- | '''aja'''....''past'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''ajder'''....''evoke'' |- | '''yoga'''....''short'' || '''der'''....''say'' || '''yogder'''....''summarize'' |- | '''tyoyab'''....''foot'' || '''per'''....''go'' || '''tyoyaper'''....''walk'' |- | '''dreer'''....''write'' || '''sar'''....''tool'' || '''dresar'''....''pencil'' |- | '''tuyob'''....''hand'' || '''dren'''....''writing'' || '''tuyodren'''....''manuscript'' |- | '''mam'''....''sky'' || '''mil'''....''water'' || '''mamil'''....''rain'' |} : <small>¹: Sometimes, the adjective ending '''a''' is retained when an adjective is compounded with '''xer''' or '''ser'''. This device may be used to distinguished two differently nuanced verbs. For example, '''aga''' + '''xer''' can produce '''agaxer'''....''to magnify'' or '''agxer'''....''to grow''. Usually, the compound where the adjective suffix has been eclipsed has the more idiomatic meaning.</small> ==== Most Common Mirad Prefixes ==== {| class="wikitable sortable collapsable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Common Prefixes |- ! Prefix !! Examples |- |'''a(n)-'''....''uni-, one-, mono-''||'''anzyukpar'''....''unicycle''<br> '''antotin'''....''monotheism''<br>'''adeb'''....''emperor'' |- |'''aa-'''....''arch-, first-, prime''||'''aadub'''....''prime minister''<br>'''aatat'''....''archangel''<br>'''aavyan'''....''principle''<br>'''aasaun'''....''prototype'' |- |'''aag-'''....''arch-, main, macro-''||'''aagmep'''....''highway''<br> '''aagdovyab'''....''constitution''<br> '''aagovekut'''....''archrival'' |- |'''aaj-'''....''paleo-, proto-''||'''aajtobtun'''....''paleoanthropology''<br> '''aajsiyn'''....''fossil'' |- |'''ab-'''....''ad-, top, on, epi-''||'''abtob'''....''superman''<br> '''abtim'''....''attic''<br> '''abzen'''....''epicenter'' |- |'''aj-'''....''former, ex-'' || '''ajtayd'''....''ex-wife''<br>'''ajdeb'''....''former leader'' |- |'''ayb-'''....''over-, super-, hyper-, sur-''||'''aybmep'''....''overpass''<br>'''aybdresin'''....''superscript''<br>'''aybdyun'''....''hypernym'' |- |'''ag-'''....''mega(lo)-'' || '''agvyotos'''....''megalomania''<br>'''agtoj'''....''megadeath'' |- |'''alo(n)-'''....''deca-, ten-''||'''alojaga'''....''ten years old''<br> '''alojab'''....''decade''<br> '''alonsuna'''....''decimal'' |- |'''aloy(n)-'''....''deci-, tenth-''||'''aloynux'''....''tithe''<br> '''aloyngoler'''....''decimate'' |- |'''am-'''....''thermo-''||'''amzemula'''....''thermonuclear''<br> '''amvyabxar'''....''thermostat'' |- |'''amlo(n)-'''....''mega-''||'''amloagvunak'''....''megavolt''<br> '''amlotoj'''....''megadeath'' |- |'''amloyn-'''....''micro-''||'''amloynjweb'''....''microsecond'' |- |'''anyen-'''....''idio-''||'''anyenboka'''....''idiopathic''<br> '''anyendyan'''....''idiom''<br> '''anyentepa'''....''idiotic'' |- |'''ao(b/p)-'''....''north-south, up-down, vertical, vertically, y-axis''||'''aonab'''....''column'', ''x-y-axis''<br> '''aopuys yuzpar'''....''hop-on-hop-off bus''<br> '''aonada'''....''vertical'' |- |'''aoye(b/p)-'''....''in-and-out''||'''aoyebar'''....''piston''<br> '''aoyebelen'''....''import-exports''<br> '''aoyepaper'''....''fly in and out'' |- |'''aro(n)-'''....''kilo-''||'''aronminak'''....''kilometer''<br> '''arobanak'''....''kilobit'' |- |'''aroyn-'''....''milli-''||'''aroynvunak'''....''millivolt''<br> '''aoynwunak'''....''milliwatt'' |- |'''(a)so(n)'''....''cent-''||'''asojagat'''....''centenarian''<br> '''asolinak'''....''hectoliter''<br> '''sojab'''....''century'' |- |'''asoy(n)-'''....''cent-, centi-''||'''asoygenak'''....''centigram''<br> '''asoylinak'''....''centiliter'' |- |'''av-'''....''pro-''||'''avYanotina'''....''pro-Communist'' |- |'''ayn-'''....''full-, holo-, whole-''||'''aynnuut'''....''wholesaler''<br> '''aynsin'''....''hologram''<br> '''aynteptija'''....''fully-conscious'' |- |'''e(b/p)-'''....''inter-''||'''ebmos'''....''mezzanine''<br> '''ebyanmulxer'''....''intermingle''<br> '''eper'''....''intercede'' |- |'''ejna-'''....''neo-''||'''ejnadun'''....''neologism''<br> '''ejnaobdabin'''....''neocolonialism'' |- |'''e(n)-'''....''ambi-, bi-, di-, duo-, two-''||'''entyoba'''....''bipedal''<br> '''enzyuspar'''....''bicycle''<br> '''envolza'''....''dichromatic'' |- |'''eon-'''....''duo-, double-, twin-''||'''eonin'''....''dualism''<br> '''eondal'''....''double-speak''<br> '''eonsum'''....''twin bed'' |- |'''ev-'''....''a-, neutral'' ||'''evdofina'''....''amoral''<br>'''evdabtuna'''....''apolitical'' |- |'''ey(b/p)-'''....''intra-, among''||'''eybmasa'''....''intramural''<br> '''eybmimkuma'''....''intracoastal'' |- |'''eyn-'''....''demi-, half-, hemi-, mixed-, pen-, quasi-, semi-''||'''eynzyus'''....''semi-circle''<br> '''eynzyup'''....''half-turn''<br> '''eyntilsyeb'''....''demitassee''<br> '''eynyonmel'''....''peninsula'' |- |'''fi-'''....''bene-, eu-, good-, nice-, well-''||'''fixut'''....''benefactor''<br> '''fidrawa'''....''well-written''<br> '''fitos'''...''euphoria'' |- |'''fu-'''....''dys-, ill-, mal-, mis-, poorly-''||'''futos'''....''dysphoria''<br> '''futuwa'''....''ill-informed''<br> '''fuxeyn'''....''malfeasance'' |- |'''fya-'''....''hiero-, holy-, sancti-''||'''fyasdresiyn'''....''hieroglyphic''<br> '''fyader'''....''sanctify''<br> '''fyatwed'''....''holy father'' |- |'''fye-'''....''mythical, fantasy''||'''fyetop'''....''phantom''<br> '''fyetobet'''....''elfin''<br> '''fyetexer'''...''fantacize''<br> '''fyedin'''....''fantasy'' |- |'''fyo-'''....''evil, profane'' ||'''fyotez'''....''occult''<br>'''fyotat'''....''devil''<br>'''fyotyez'''....''witchcraft'' |- |'''gaw-'''....''re-, again'' || '''gawteaper'''....''revisit''<br> '''gawaker'''....''regain'' |- |'''garale-'''....''tera-''||'''garaleagbanak'''....''terabyte'' |- |'''garalyi-'''....''exa-''||'''garalyibanak'''....''exabit'' |- |'''garalyo-'''....''peta-''||'''galayoagbanak'''....''petabyte'' |- |'''garela-'''....''zetta-''||'''garelaagbanak'''....''zettabyte'' |- |'''garelu-'''....''yotta-''||'''gareluagbanak'''....''yottabyte'' |- |'''ge-'''....''equal to, equi-, 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|'''gra-'''....''extra-, hyper-, over-, ultra-''||'''gratosea'''....''hypersensitive''<br> '''grazoyaxler'''....''overreact''<br> '''granoxea'''....''extravagant'' |- |'''gro-'''....''hypo-, under-''||'''groyixlawa'''....''underemployed''<br> '''groaman'''....''hypothermia'' |- |'''gwa-'''....''hyper-, maxi-, -most, pleisto-, uber-, ultra-, pure, macro-''||'''gwayelza'''....''pure pink''<br> '''gwayafa'''....''supreme''<br> '''gwauja'''....''ultimate''<br> '''gwazoa'''....''hindmost'' |- |'''gwo-'''....''least-, mini-, micro-''||'''gwosag'''....''minimum''<br> '''gwoyuzpur'''....''minibus''<br>'''gwoexlus'''....''microprocessor'' |- |'''hi-'''....''hither, these, this''||'''his'''....''this''<br> '''hisi'''....''these''<br> '''him'''....''here'' |- |'''hya(s)-'''....''pan(to)-, omni-, all-, every-''||'''hyas'''....''everything''<br> '''hyati'''....''all of them''<br> '''hyastea'''....''omniscient''<br> '''hyataadifa'''....''pansexual'' |- |'''hu-'''....''that''||'''hus'''....''that''<br> '''huj'''....''then''<br> '''huyen'''...''that way'' |- |'''huim-'''....''here-and-there, here-and-yon''||'''huimkexer'''....''search high and low''<br> '''huimpaper'''....''fly here and there''<br> '''hyuimpoper'''....''travel here-and-there'' |- |'''huu-'''....''so, such''||'''huugla'''....''so, so very''<br> '''hus'''....''such''<br> '''huyen'''....''in such a way, so, thus'' |- |'''hyaewa-'''....''ambi-''||'''hyaewati'''....''both of them''<br> '''hyaewaziza'''....''ambidextrous''<br> '''hyaewatoobifa'''....''ambi-sexual'' |- |'''hye-'''....''-ever, any, whatever, whichever''||'''hyem'''....''anywhere, wherever''<br> '''hyempea'''....''erratic''<br> '''hjej'''....''ever, anytime'' |- |'''hyi-'''....''homo-, like-, same, syn-''||'''hyitoobifa'''....''homosexual''<br> '''hyis'''....''same thing''<br> '''hyijoba'''....''synchronous'' |- |'''hyo(s)-'''....''nothing, a-'' || '''hyostosea'''....''apathetic'' |- |'''hyu(t/s)-'''....''alter-, hetero-, other-, xeno-, else''||'''hyutoobifa'''....''heterosexual''<br> '''hyua'''....''another, alternate''<br> '''hyutufa'''....''xenophobic''<br> '''hyus'''....''something else'' |- |'''hyui(t/s)-'''....''cross-, mutual, one thing and another, reciprocal''||'''hyuitvikaxen'''....''mutual admiration''<br> '''hyuixer'''....''reciprocate''<br> '''hyuisa'''....''mutual, reciprocal''<br> '''hyuitif'''....''mutual love'' |- |'''i-'''....''toward the speaker''||'''iber'''....''receive''<br>'''ixer'''....''result'' |- |'''ik-'''....''fully, thoroughly''||'''iktoxer'''....''forget completely''<br> '''iktos'''....''satisfaction''<br> '''ikyebixer'''....''engulf, swallow up completely'' |- |'''in-'''....''three-, tri-, tripl-, tern-''||'''inzyuspar'''....''tricycle''<br> '''inaga'''....''three-dimensional''<br> '''injiba'''....''trimensual''<br> '''insuna'''....''ternary''<br> '''intotan'''....''trinity'' |- |'''iyn-'''....''terci-, third''||'''iyna'''....''terciary''<br> '''iynxer'''....''cut into thirds'' |- |'''iz-'''....''ortho-, recti-, right-, straight-''||'''iznada'''....''rectilinear''<br> '''izguna'''....''orthogonal''<br> '''iztin'''....''orthdoxy''<br> '''izdea'''....''forthright'' |- |'''ja-'''....''ante-, fore-, pre-''||'''jaupya'''....''foregone''<br> '''jauper'''....''precede''<br> '''jadropeka'''....''antebellum'' |- |'''je-'''....''per-, continuously, ever-''||'''jetejer'''....''persevere''<br>'''jeteaxer'''....''watch''<br>'''jexrer'''....''perpetuate'' |- |'''jo-'''....''after-, meta-, post-''||'''joexlen'''....''postprocessing''<br> '''jomir'''....''metasphere''<br> '''jotej'''....''afterlife'' |- |'''jwa-'''....''early-, eo-, preter-, proto-''||'''jwaber'''....''prepare''<br> '''jwatuun'''....''premonition''<br> '''jwadodin'''....''early history, protohistory''<br> '''jwamola'''....''preternatural''<br> '''jwajoeb'''....''eocene'' |- |'''jwo-'''....''ceno-, late-, latter-, tard-''||'''jwonux'''....''late payment''<br> '''jwoa'''....''tardy''<br> '''jwoteja'''....''cenozoic'' |- |'''ko-'''....''cover-, hidden, secret-, stealth-''||'''koa'''....''covert''<br> '''koexut'''....''spy''<br> '''koyeper'''....''sneak in'' |- |'''(ko)vyo-'''....''pseudo-, mis-, wrong-''||'''kovyotun'''....''pseudoscience''<br>'''vyobekuer'''....''to mistreat'' |- |'''ku-'''....''para-''||'''kuifut'''....''paramour''<br> '''kuteliut'''....''parasite''<br> '''kuteptun'''....''parapsychology'' |- |'''kya-'''....''alternate, dia-, re-, trans-, vari-, cross-''||'''kyaember'''....''relocate''<br> '''kyajoba'''....''diachronic''<br> '''kyatajnad'''....''crossbreed''<br> '''kyatooba'''....''transgendered''<br> '''kyavolza'''....''variegated, motley'' |- |'''kyao-'''....''falteringly, unsteadily''||'''kyaoper'''....''stagger''<br> '''kyaotexer'''....''vacillate'' |- |'''kye-'''....''chance-, hap-, random-''||'''kyea'''....''haphazard''<br> '''kyebyus'''....''chance encounter''<br> '''kyeteater'''....''happen to see''<br> '''kyesauna'''....''of a random type'' |- |'''kyo-'''....''fixed-, still-, stereo-, stat-''||'''kyosaun'''....''stereotype''<br> '''kyopa'''....''stable, static, stationary''<br> '''kyoson'''....''status'' |- |'''lo-'''....''dis-, semantic reversing prefix, un-''||'''lozeb'''....''disequilibrium''<br> '''loyuvlaxer'''....''disengage''<br> '''loyuzyuber'''....''uncoil''<br> '''lomulvyusber'''....''decontaminate'' |- |'''logel-'''....''hetero-, different-''||'''logelsauna'''....''heterogenous''<br>'''logelaxer'''....''differentiate'' |- |'''maz-'''....''bright-''||'''mazteaba'''....''bright-eyed'' |- |'''mial-'''....''hygro-, atmo-, vapori-''||'''mialama'''....''hygrothermal''<br>'''mialnagar'''....''atomometer, vaporimeter'' |- |'''mil-'''....''aqua-, hydro-, water-''||'''milyexun'''....''aquaculture''<br> '''milmaka'''....''hydroelectric''<br> '''miltilsyeb'''....''water glass'' |- |'''mul-'''....''hylo-, 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'''tayibyok'''....''neuralgia'' |- |'''teeb-'''....''auri-, oto-, ear-''||'''teebbekut'''....''aurist''<br> '''teeteiteyobtut'''....''otorhinolaryngologist''<br> '''teebyel'''....''earwax'' |- |'''tee(s/x/t)-'''....''audio-, son-, phono-''||'''teesnagen'''....''audiography''<br> '''teestaxdras'''....''phonogram''<br> '''teestun'''....''audiology''<br> '''teexdras'''....''audiogram''<br> '''teetyofwa'''....''inaudible'' |- |'''tei(b)-'''....''nasal, nose, rhino-, aroma-, olfact-, osmo-''||'''teibbok'''....''rhinitis''<br> '''teibyeg'''....''nostril''<br> '''teiz'''....''perfume''<br> '''teizuka'''....''aroma-free''<br> '''teityaf'''....''olfactory sense'' |- |'''tiibil-'''....''blood-, hema-, hemato-, hemo-, sanguin-''||'''tiibililp'''....''hemorrhage''<br> '''tiibiliut'''....''bloodsucker''<br> '''tiibloker'''....''exsanguinate''<br> '''tiibiltun'''....''hematology'' |- |'''tuj-'''....''hypno-, somni-, sopor-''||'''tujbek'''....''hyptotherapy''<br> '''tujbyea'''....''somniferous, soporific'' |- |'''u(b/p)-'''....''toward''||'''uber'''....''send''<br>'''ubaer'''....''lean toward'' |- |'''ui-'''....''horizontal, left-right, x-axis''||'''uinab'''....''row'', ''x-axis''<br> '''uinada'''....''horizontal'' |- |'''uib-'''....''back-and-forth, toward-and-away, transmit-receive''||'''uibar'''....''transceiver'' |- |'''uig-'''....''fast-and-slow''||'''uigpar'''....''scooter'' |- |'''uij-'''....''begin-and-end, start-and-stop''||'''uijdaler'''....''stutter'' |- |'''uip-'''....''come-and-go''||'''uipen'''....''traffic, coming and going'' |- |'''uiz-'''....''straight-then-crooked''||'''uizbaser'''....''swagger''<br> '''uizdrer'''....''scribble''<br> '''uizpaser'''....''swerve'' |- |'''u(n)-'''....''four-, quadri-, tetra-, quater-''||'''ungona'''....''quadripartite''<br> '''unnednid'''....''tetrahedron''<br> '''unsuna'''....''quaternary'' |- |'''uyn-'''....''fourth-, quarti-''||'''uynxer'''....''quarter''<br> '''uynjab'''....''quarter (of a year)'' |- |'''ut-'''....''auto-, 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|'''za-'''....''ante-, fore-, front-, pre-, pro-, north''||'''zatim'''....''antechamber''<br> '''zamimuf'''....''foremast''<br> '''zagab'''....''prefix''<br> '''zajuber'''....''procrastinate''<br>'''zamer'''....''north'' |- |'''zao-'''....''back-and-forth, front-and-back''||'''zaopaser'''....''wobble''<br> '''zaokuper'''....''slalom''<br> '''zaopyoser'''....''pendulate'' |- |'''zay-'''....''forth-, pro-, forward, ahead''||'''zaypuyser'''....''skip ahead''<br> '''zaypuxer'''....''propel''<br> '''zayper'''....''go forward, procede''<br> '''zayupea'''....''forthcoming'' |- |'''ze-'''....''mid-, central, medio-''||'''zetej'''....''midlife''<br> '''zepoxer'''....''interrupt, stop midway''<br> '''zetem'''....''central hall'' |- |'''zey-'''....''cross-, meta-, over-, trans-, across''||'''zeyper'''....''transit, get across''<br> '''zeynod'''....''crosspoint''<br> '''zeytyun'''....''metaphor'' |- |'''zi-'''....''right, east, dextro-''||'''zim'''....''right side''<br>'''zimera'''....''eastern'' |- |'''zo-'''....''back-, hind-, retro-, south''||'''zotib'''....''back''<br> '''zotiub'''....''hindquarters''<br> '''zonapa'''....''retrograde''<br>'''zomer'''....''south'' |- |'''zoy-'''....''back-, retro-, re-''||'''zoyper'''....''recede, go back''<br> '''zoybeler'''....''carry back''<br> '''zoyzyublen'''....''backspin'' |- |'''zu-'''....''left-, west-''||'''zutinut'''....''leftist''<br> '''zukum'''....''left side''<br>'''zumera'''....''western'' |- |'''zui-'''....''left-and-right, zig-zag, east-west''||'''zuibyoser'''....''dangle, hang left-and-right''<br> '''zuiper'''....''zigzag''<br> '''zuituyaba'''....''ambidextrous''<br>'''zuimera'''....''east-west'' |- |'''zya-'''....''-wide, wide-, broad-, all about''||'''zyauber'''....''broadcast''<br> '''zyateaba'''....''wide-eyed''<br> '''zyasauna'''....''general''<br> '''zyapoper'''....''cruise, wander''<br> '''zyamira'''....''global, worldwide'' |- |'''zye-'''....''per-, thorough-, thru-, trans-''||'''zyetejer'''....''live through, experience''<br> '''zyeteaxer'''....''peruse''<br> '''zyeteatyafwa'''....''transparent''<br> '''zyemep'''....''thoroughfare''<br> '''zyeper'''....''permeate, transit'' |- |'''zyo-'''....''narrow, steno-'' || '''zyotepa'''....''narrow-minded''<br>'''zyoteat'''....''tunnel vision''<br>'''zyoyija'''....''stenopeic'' |- |'''zyu-'''....''cyclo-, rot-, round-, gyro''||'''zyutim'''....''rotunda''<br> '''zyusem'''....''roundtable''<br> '''zyuper'''....''cycle, gyrate, rotate'' |} ==== Suffixes ==== : Mirad has semantic stub suffixes, derivational suffixes, and normal semantic suffixes. : '''Semantic Stub Suffixes''' :: Semantic stub suffixes are generally formed from the last letters of a base word minus the initial consonant. They serve to put a word into some category, such as liquid, place, person, or material. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Semantic Stub Suffixes |- valign=top ! Suffix Stub !! Suffix Full Form !! Suffixed Example < Base Word |- | '''-il'''....''liquid, drink'' || '''mil'''....''water'' || '''teab<u>il</u>'''....''tear''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teab'''....''eye''<br>'''teub<u>il</u>'''....''saliva''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teub'''....''mouth''<br>'''tayeb<u>il</u>'''....''sweat''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tayeb'''....''skin''<br>'''mam<u>il</u>'''....''rain''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mam'''....''sky'' |- | '''-al'''....''gas'' || '''mal'''....''air'' || '''tieb<u>al</u>'''....''breath''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' |- | '''-(e)l'''....''food'' || '''tel'''....''food'' || '''sup<u>el</u>'''....''pork''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''<u>sup</u>et'''....''swine''<br>'''ta<u>ol</u>'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''taob'''....''flesh''<br>'''fe<u>l</u>'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''feb'''....''fruit'' |- | '''-ul'''....''stuff'' || '''mul'''....''substance'' || '''vix<u>ul</u>'''....''cosmetic''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vix-'''....''to beautify''<br>'''bek<u>ul</u>'''....''medecine''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''bek'''....''treatment'' |- | '''-yel'''....''oil, gel, wax, pulp'' || '''yel'''....''oil'' || '''olf<u>yel</u>'''....''olive oil''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''olfeb'''....''olive''<br>'''appelat<u>yel</u>'''....''wax''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''appelat'''....''bee''<br>'''mag<u>yel</u>'''....''grease''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mag'''....''fire''<br>'''bek<u>yel</u>'''....''salve''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''bek'''....''treatment''<br>'''meg<u>yel</u>'''....''cement''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''meg'''....''stone''<br>'''yan<u>yel</u>'''....''paste''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yan'''....''together'' |- | '''-am'''....''house'' || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''apat<u>am</u>'''....''chicken coop''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''apat'''....''chicken''<br>'''apellat<u>am</u>'''....''beehive''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''apellat'''....''bee''<br>'''melyex<u>am</u>'''....''farmhouse''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''melyex'''....''agriculture''<br>'''datib<u>am</u>'''....''hostel''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''datib'''....''guest-reception'' |- | '''-(e)m'''....''place'' || '''nem'''....''place'' || '''vobyex<u>em</u>'''....''plantation, farm''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vob'''....''plant'' + '''yex'''....''work''<br>'''vab<u>em</u>'''....''field''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vab'''....''grass''<br>'''ab<u>em</u>'''....''top, surface''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ab'''....''above, upper''<br>'''ze<u>m</u>'''....''middle''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ze(a)'''....''middle'' <br> '''tim'''....''room'' |- | '''-im'''....''room'' || '''tim'''....''room'' || '''tul<u>im</u>'''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tul'''....''cuisine''<br>'''tuj<u>im</u>'''....''bedroom''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tuj'''....''sleep'' |- | '''-um'''....''cell, booth'' || '''tum'''....''compartment''|| '''pex<u>um</u>'''....''cage''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''pexer'''....''catch''<br>'''ilzyapux<u>um</u>'''....''shower stall''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''ilzyapux'''....''shower'' |- | '''-yem'''....''space'' || '''nyem'''....''enclosure'' || '''yom<u>yem</u>'''....''icebox''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yom'''....''ice'' |- | '''-yeb'''....''container'' || '''nyeb'''....''container'' || '''z<u>yeb</u>'''....''bottle''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''zye(f)'''....''glass''<br>'''vos<u>yeb</u>'''....''vase''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vos'''....''flower'' |- | '''-of'''....''material'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''t<u>of</u>'''....''clothes''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''t-'''....''human''<br>'''mis<u>of</u>'''....''curtain''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mis'''....''window''<br>'''fa<u>of</u>'''....''wood''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''fa(b)-'''....''tree''<br>'''tay<u>of</u>'''....''leather''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tayo(b)'''....''skin'' |- | '''-ov'''....''linen'' || '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''tey<u>ov</u>'''....''collar''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teyob'''....''neck'' |- | '''-ar'''....''instrument'' || '''sar'''....''tool'' ||'''p<u>ar</u>'''....''cart''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''p-'''....''motion''<br>'''zyup<u>ar</u>'''....''rotor''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''zyup'''....''turn''<br>'''gobr<u>ar</u>'''....''knife''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''gobrar'''....''cut''<br>'''jwob<u>ar</u>'''....''watch''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''jwob'''....''hour'' |- | '''-ir'''....''machine'' || '''sir'''....''machine'' || '''dr<u>ir</u>'''....''typewriter''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''dr-'''....''write''<br>'''gwob<u>ir</u>'''....''clock'' |- | '''-ur'''....''large machine'' || '''sur'''....''engine'' || '''p<u>ur</u>r'''....''car''<br>'''jwob<u>ur</u>r'''....''grandfather clock''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''jwob'''....''hour'' |- | '''-(u)n'''....''thing'' || '''sun'''....''thing'' || '''d<u>un</u>'''....''word''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''d-'''....''utter, say''<br>'''gofr<u>un</u>'''....''piece, scrap''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''gofrer'''....''rip, shread, tear''<br>'''zyi<u>un</u>'''....''plaque, plate''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''zyia'''....''flat''<br>'''vyu<u>n</u>'''....''spot''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vyua'''....''dirty'' |- | '''-on'''....''abstract thing'' || '''son'''....''issue'' || '''yov<u>on</u>'''....''tort, wrong''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''yov'''....''guilt'' |- | '''yen'''....''manner, kind'' || '''byen'''....''manner'' || '''tex<u>yen</u>'''....''opinion''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tex'''....''thought''<br>'''hi<u>yen</u>'''....''this way, thus''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''hi-'''....''this''<br>'''es<u>yen</u>'''....''status''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''es-'''....''exist'' |- | '''-in'''....''-ism'' || '''tin'''....''doctrine'' || '''tot<u>in</u>'''....''theism, religion''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tot-'''....''god''<br>'''Krist<u>in</u>'''....''Christianity''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Krist'''....''Christ''<br>'''vyisat<u>in</u>'''....''puritanism''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''vysiat'''....''puritan, clean person''<br>'''oytof<u>in</u>'''....''nudism''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''oytofa'''....''nude'' |- | '''-ufyeg'''....''cylinder'' || '''mufyeg'''....''pipe'' || '''man<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''candle''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''man'''....''light''<br>'''tiib<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''artery''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tiib'''....''heart''<br>'''mil<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''toilet''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mil'''....''water''<br>'''mov<u>ufyeg</u>'''....''cheminee''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''mov'''....''smoke'' |- | '''-ab'''....''government'' || '''dab'''....''government'' || '''dit<u>ab</u>'''....''democracy''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''dit'''....''citizen'' |- | '''-eb'''....''leader'' || '''deb'''....''leader'' || '''x<u>eb</u>'''....''boss''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''x-'''....''do''<br>'''tam<u>eb</u>'''....''master of the house''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tam'''....''house'' |- | '''-ub'''....''branch'' || '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''pat<u>ub</u>'''....''wing''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''pat'''....''bird'' |- | '''-ad'''....''language'' || '''-a''' + '''d(alzeyn)'''....''language'' || '''Frans<u>ad</u>'''....''French (language)'' |- | '''-uz'''....''jewelry'' || '''nuz'''....''jewel'' || '''teyob<u>uz</u>'''....''necklace''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teyob'''....''neck''<br>'''teeb<u>uz</u>'''....''earring''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''teeb'''....''ear'' |- | '''-u(er)'''....''give'' || '''buer'''....''give'' || '''tiebal<u>u</u>er'''....''exhale''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' + '''al'''....''air'' |- | '''-i(er)'''....''take'' || '''bier'''....''take'' || '''tiebal<u>i</u>er'''....''inhale''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' + '''al'''....''air'' |- | '''-ui(er)'''....''exchange'' || '''buier'''....''exchange'' || '''tiebal<u>u</u>ier'''....''breathe''&nbsp;&nbsp;<&nbsp;&nbsp;'''tieb'''....''lung'' + '''al'''....''air'' |} ==== Derviational Suffixes ==== ::: Mirad has only a few derivational suffixes, i.e. suffixes that change the part of speech. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Derivational Suffixes |- ! Derivational<br>Suffix !! Function || Base Word <br><br>--> Suffixed<br>Derivation |- | '''-er''' || Noun <br>--> Verbal Infinitive || '''sag'''....''count'' <big><br>--></big> '''sag<u>er</u>'''....''to count'' |- | '''-n''' || Present Tense Verb <br>--> Verbal Noun (Gerund)<br>Adjective <br>--> Abstract Noun || '''yexe'''....''(he/she/...) works'' <big><br>--></big> '''yexe<u>n</u>'''....''working''<br>'''via'''....''beautiful'' <big><br>--></big> '''via<u>n</u>'''....''beauty''<br>'''yuba'''....''near'' <big><br>--></big> '''yuba<u>n</u>'''....''proximity, nearness'' |- | '''-a''' || Noun <br>--> Adjective<br>Active Verb<br>--> Verbal Adjective (Present Participle)<br>Past Passive Verb <br>--> Perfect Passive Participle (Adjective)||'''mor'''....''universe'' <big><br>--></big> '''mor<u>a</u>'''....''universal''<br>'''ake'''....''wins'' <big><br>--></big> '''ake<u>a</u>'''....''winning''<br>'''teatwa'''....''was seen'' <big><br>--></big>'''teatwa<u>a</u>''' (or, shortened to: '''teatw<u>a</u>'''....''seen'') |- | '''-ya''' || INTRANSITIVE VERB STEM <br>--> PAST ACTIVE PARTICIPLE || '''ip-'''....''go away'' <big><br>--></big> '''ip<u>ya</u>'''....''gone away'' |- | '''-yea''' || VERB STEM <br>--> HABITUAL PRESENT PARTICIPLE (ADJECTIVE) || '''zaypas-'''....''progress'' <big><br>--></big> '''zaypas<u>yea</u>'''....''progressive'' |- | '''-y''' || ADJECTIVE <br>--> ADVERB || '''iga'''....''quick'' <big><br>--></big> '''iga<u>y</u>'''....''quickly''<br>'''tea-'''....''knowing''<big><br>--></big>'''tea<u>y</u>'''....''knowingly'' |- | '''-ut''' || VERB STEM <br>--> ANIMATE AGENT NOUN ''one who Xes, -er'' || '''ak-'''....''win'' <big><br>--></big> '''ak<u>ut</u>''' ....''winner'' |- | '''-us''' || VERB STEM <br>--> INANIMATE AGENT NOUN ''thing that Xes, -er'' || '''gol-'''....''divide'' <big><br>--></big> '''gol<u>us</u>''' ....''divisor'' |- |- '''-t''' || ADJECTIVE <br>--> ANIMATE NOUN (human, one who is...) || '''yibtrawa'''....''well-known'' <big>-<br>--></big>'''yibtrawa<u>t</u>'''....''celebrity'' |- |- '''-s''' || ADJECTIVE <br>--> INANIMATE NOUN (thing, something X) || '''otwa'''....''unknown'' <big><br>--></big>'''otwa<u>s</u>'''....''mystery'' |} ::: <small>*Derivational affixes change the part of speech of a base word, whereas inflexional affixes change the status of a word within a grammatical paradigm. Verb tense/mood/voice affixes and the plural marker '''-i''' fall under the latter category.</small> ==== Normal Semantic Suffixes==== :* Augmentative Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Augmentative Suffixes |- ! Augmentative Suffix !! Base Word !! Suffixed Derivation |- | '''-ag''' (augmentative) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamag'''....''mansion'' |- | '''-ayg''' (affectionate augmentative) || '''sem'''....''chair'' || '''semayg'''....''big old chair'' |- | '''-yag''' (pejorative augmentative) || '''apet'''....''horse'' || '''apetyag'''....''nag'' |} :* Diminutive Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Diminutive Suffixes |- ! Diminutive Suffix !! Base Word !! Suffixed Derivation |- | '''-og''' (diminutive) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamog'''....''hut'' |- | '''-oyg''' (affectionate diminutive) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamoyg'''....''cottage'' |- | '''-yog''' (pejorative diminutive) || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tamyog'''....''shack'' |- | '''-et''' (a smaller person) || '''twob'''....''man'' || '''twobet'''....''boy'' |- | '''-es''' (thing of lesser importance) || '''nas'''....''money'' || '''nases'''....''change, coin'' |- | '''-ud''' (child of, offspring) || '''tob'''....''man'' || '''tobud'''....''infant'' |} :* Semantic Adjectival Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Semantic Adjectival Suffixes |- ! Adjectival Suffix !! Meaning !! Base Word !! Suffixed Derivation |- | '''-a''' || '''mor'''....''universe'' || ''related to, -al, -ic'' || '''mora'''....''universal'' |- | '''-aya''' || '''miek'''....''dust'' || ''full of, -ous, -y'' || '''miekaya'''....''dusty'' |- | '''-oya''' || '''vyun'''....''spot'' || ''empty of, -less, -free'' || '''vyunoya'''....''spotless'' |- | '''-ika''' || '''miek'''....''dust'' || ''full of, -ous, -y'' || '''miekika'''....''dusty'' |- | '''-uka''' || '''miek'''....''dust'' || ''empty of, -less, -free'' || '''miekuka'''....''dust-free'' |- | '''-yea''' || '''vyod'''....''lie'' || ''given to doing X, -ive'' || '''vyodyea'''....''mendacious, given to lying'' |- | '''-yena''' || '''tat'''....''angel'' || ''like, -ly, -ic'' || '''tatyena'''....''angelic'' |} :* Other Semantic Suffixes {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Other Semantic Suffixes |- ! Suffix !! Base Word || Derivation |- | '''-tun'''....''science, ...ology'' || '''tej'''....''life'' || '''tej<u>tun</u>'''....''biology'' |- | '''-tut'''....''-ologist, expert, -ist'' || '''dar'''....''language'' || '''dar<u>tut</u>'''....''linquist'' |- | '''-tuin'''....''theory'' || '''tob'''....''mar'' || '''mar<u>tuin</u>'''....''astrology'' |- | '''-yan'''....''collection, aggregate'' || '''fab'''....''tree''|| '''fab<u>yan</u>'''....''forest'' |- |'''-tyen'''....''trade, -ics'' || '''sir'''....''machine'' || '''sir<u>tyen</u>'''....''mechanics'' |- | '''-if'''....''pet name'' || '''twed'''....''father'' || '''twed<u>if</u>'''....''papa'' |- | '''ifa'''....''-philic, -loving'' || '''dyes'''....''book'' || '''dyes<u>ifa</u>'''....''bibliophilic'' |- | '''ifwa'''....''liked by'' || '''tyod'''....''people'' || '''tyod<u>ifwa</u>'''....''popular'' |- | '''ufa'''....''-phobic, -hating'' || '''toyb'''....''woman'' || '''toyb<u>ufa</u>'''....''misogynous'' |- | '''ufwa'''....''hated by'' || '''tyod'''....''people'' || '''tyod<u>ufwa</u>'''....''unpopular'' |- | '''yafa'''....''able to'' || '''tyoyap-'''....''walk'' || '''tyoyap<u>yafa</u>'''....''ambulatory'' |- | '''yafwa'''....''possible to'' || '''teat-'''....''see'' || '''teat<u>yafwa</u>'''....''visible'' |- | '''yofa'''....''unable to'' || '''teat-'''....''see'' || '''teat<u>yofa</u>'''....''blind'' |- | '''yofwa'''....''impossible to'' || '''dye-'''....''read'' || '''dye<u>yofwa</u>'''....''illegible'' |- | '''yika'''....''hard of...ing'' || '''teet-'''....''hear'' || '''teet<u>yika</u>'''....''hard of hearing'' |- | '''yikwa'''....''hard to'' || '''teet-'''....''hear'' || '''teet<u>yikwa</u>'''....''hard to hear'' |- | '''yuka'''....''easy at...ing'' || '''vatex-'''....''believe'' || '''vatex<u>yuka</u>'''....''gullible'' |- | '''yukwa'''....''easily...ed'' || '''test-'''....''understand'' || '''test<u>yukwa</u>'''....''easily understood'' |- | '''yufa'''....''fearful of, -phobic'' || '''tot'''....''god'' || '''tot<u>yufa</u>'''....''god-fearing'' |- | '''yufwa'''....''feared'' || '''hyat'''....''everybody'' || '''hyat<u>yufwa</u>'''....''feared by all'' |- | '''yiva'''....''free to'' || '''kebi-'''....''choose'' || '''kebi<u>yiva</u>'''....''free to choose'' |- | '''efa'''....''needful of'' || '''tel'''....''food'' || '''tel<u>efa</u>'''....''hungry'' |- | '''efwa'''....''necessary to'' || '''tej'''....''life'' || '''tej<u>efa</u>'''....''vital'' |- | '''yefa'''....''duty-bound to, -worthy of'' || '''dud'''....''answer'' || '''dud<u>yefa</u>'''....''responsible'' |- | '''yefwa'''....''due, -worthy of'' || '''fid-'''....''laud'' || '''fid<u>yefwa</u>'''....''praiseworthy'' |- | '''afa'''....''authorized to'' || '''dokebi-'''....''vote'' || '''dokebi<u>afa</u>'''....''franchised'' |- | '''ofwa'''....''prohibited to'' || '''movi-'''....''smoke'' || '''movi<u>ofwa</u>gonem'''....''no-smoking zone'' |- | '''yiva'''....''free to'' || '''kebi-'''....''choose'' || '''kebi<u>yiva</u>'''....''free to choose'' |- | '''yivwa'''....''free to be ...ed'' || '''kebi-'''....''choose'' || '''kebi<u>yivwa</u>'''....''optional'' |- | '''yuva'''....''bound'' || '''tam'''....''house'' || '''tam<u>yuva</u>'''....''house-bound'' |- | '''ova'''....''resistant, anti-'' || '''aagdovyab'''....''constitution'' || '''aagdovyab<u>ova</u>'''....''anti-constitutional'' |- | '''ava'''....''in favor of, pro-'' || '''tyodab'''....''democracy'' || '''tyodab<u>ava</u>'''....''pro-democracy'' |- | '''eva'''....''neutral'' || '''toos'''....''gender'' || '''toos<u>eva</u>'''....''gender-neutral'' |} ==== Inflectional Suffixes ==== : Mirad has only one noun inflectional suffix, namely, '''-''', which makes a singular noun plural: ::* '''tam'''....''house'' --> '''tam<u>i</u>'''....''houses'' : The only other inflectional affixes are the following verb infixes and suffixes: ::* '''-er'''....infinitive ::* '''-e'''....present tense ::* '''-a'''....past tense ::* '''-o'''....future tense ::* '''-u'''....hypothetical mood ::* '''-e-'''....''progressive aspect'' ::* '''-a-'''....''perfect aspect'' ::* '''-o-'''....''immediate aspect'' ::* '''-u-'''....''conditional aspect'' ::* '''-y-'''....''active voice'' ::* '''-w-'''....''passive voice'' : Example: :* '''Wit tuj<u>eya</u> hoj van at pua.'''....''He <u>was sleeping</u> when I arrived.'' ::* '''-e-''' = progressive aspect infix ::* '''-y-''' = active voice infix ::* '''-a''' = past tense suffix === Rule #3: Ordinal Vowel Scaling === : Creating a hierarchy of scalar terms applies only to base words of the Group 1. The hierarchy of scalar terms is built by increasing the numeric value of the ordinal vowel of the base word as the importance or relevance of the word decreases from the topmost, zeroth object. This process is called '''''first-level ordinal scaling'''''. ==== First-level Ordinal Scaling ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ First-level Ordinal Scaling |- valign=top ! ORDINAL VOWEL !! t...b !! m...r !! j...b !! m...s !! t...m !! d...b || f...b || s...m || d...t || t...d |- !row=1| '''o''' = 0 |'''tob'''<br>''man'' || '''mor'''<br>''universe'' || '''job'''<br>''time'' || '''mos'''<br>''floor''|| '''tom'''<br>''building'' || '''dob'''<br>''state'' || '''fob'''<br>''plant'' || '''som'''<br>''furniture''||'''dot'''<br>''society''||'''tod'''<br>''family'' |- !row=1| '''a''' = 1 |'''tab'''<br>''body'' || '''mar'''<br>''sun'' || '''jab'''<br>''year'' || '''mas'''<br>''wall'' || '''tam'''<br>''house'' || '''dab'''<br>''government'' || '''fab'''<br>''tree'' || '''sam'''<br>''armoire''||'''dat'''<br>''friend'' || '''tad'''<br>''spouse'' |- !row=1| '''e''' = 2 |'''teb'''<br>''head'' || '''mer'''<br>''planet'' || '''jeb'''<br>''season''|| '''mes'''<br>''door'' || '''tem'''<br>''hall'' || '''deb'''<br>''leader'' || '''feb'''<br>''fruit'' || '''sem'''<br>''table''||'''det'''<br>''associate'' || '''ted'''<br>''parent'' |- !row=1| '''i''' = 3 |'''tib'''<br>''trunk'' || '''mir'''<br>''earth'' || '''jib'''<br>''month'' || '''mis'''<br>''window'' || '''tim'''<br>''room'' || '''dib'''<br>''office'' || '''fib'''<br>''tree trunk'' || '''sim'''<br>''chair''||'''dit'''<br>''citizen'' || '''tid'''<br>''sibling'' |- !row=1| '''u''' = 4 |'''tub'''<br>''arm'' || '''mur'''<br>''moon'' || '''jub'''<br>''day'' || '''mus'''<br>''stairs'' || '''tum'''<br>''cell'' || '''dub'''<br>''minister'' || '''fub'''<br>''branch'' || '''sum'''<br>''bed''||'''dut'''<br>''gentleperson'' || '''tud'''<br>''child'' |- !row=1| '''yo''' = 5 |'''tyob'''<br>''leg'' || || '''jyob*'''<br>''hour'' || || || || '''fyob'''<br>''root'' || || || '''tyod'''<br>''people'' |} ::: <small>* The palatal glide '''y''' in these words, which follows a palatal '''j''' is hard to pronounce, so the '''y''' is replaced with a '''w''', giving '''jwob''', '''jwab''', and '''jweb'''.</small> ==== Second-level Ordinal Scaling ==== :: A second-level hierarchy of scalar words can be creating by adding an ordinal vowel immediately after a word's stem vowel. ::: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Second-level Ordinal Scaling |- ! '''mi...p''' !! '''me...p''' !! '''tu...b''' !! '''tyo...b'''!! '''ma...f''' !! '''me...g''' !! '''do...b''' |- | '''mip'''<br>''river'' || '''mep'''<br>''way'' || '''tub'''<br>''arm'' || '''tyob'''<br>''leg'' || '''maf'''<br>''cloud'' || '''meg'''<br>''stone'' || '''dob'''<br>''state'' |- | '''mi<u>a</u>p'''<br>''stream'' || '''meap'''<br>''road'' || '''tuab'''<br>''shoulder'' || '''tyoab'''<br>''hip''|| '''maaf'''<br>''stratus'' || '''meag'''<br>''marble'' || '''doab'''...''fatherland'' |- | '''mi<u>e</u>p'''<br>''brook'' || '''meep'''<br>''path'' || '''tueb'''<br>''upper arm'' || '''tyoeb'''<br>''thigh''|| '''maef'''<br>''cumulus'' || '''meeg'''<br>''slate'' || '''doeb'''<br>''province, state'' |- | '''mi<u>i</u>p'''<br>''rivulet'' || '''meip'''<br>''trail'' || '''tuib'''<br>''elbow'' || '''tyoib'''<br>''knee''|| '''maif'''<br>''stratocumulus'' || '''meig'''<br>''granite'' || '''doib'''<br>''county, shire'' |- | '''mi<u>u</u>p'''<br>''torrent'' || '''meup'''<br>''track'' || '''tuub'''<br>''forearm'' || '''tyoub'''<br>''shin''|| '''mauf'''<br>''cumulonimbus'' || '''meug'''<br>''clay, dough'' || '''doub'''<br>''district'' |- | '''mi<u>yo</u>p'''<br>''trickle'' || || '''tuyob'''<br>''wrist'' || '''tyoyob'''<br>''ankle''||'''mayof'''<br>''nimbostatus'' || '''meyog'''<br>''china'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>ya</u>b'''<br>''hand'' || '''tyoyab'''<br>''foot''||'''mayaf'''<br>''altostratus'' || '''meyag'''<br>''chalk'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>ye</u>b'''<br>''fist'' || '''tyoyeb'''<br>''heel''|| '''mayef'''<br>''altocumulus'' || '''meyeg'''<br>''limestone'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>yi</u>b'''<br>''palm'' || '''tyoyib'''<br>''sole''|| '''mayif'''<br>''cirrus'' || '''meyig'''<br>''alabaster'' || |- | || || '''tu<u>yu</u>b'''<br>''finger'' || '''tyoyub'''<br>''toe''|| '''mayuf'''<br>''cirrostratus'' || '''meyug'''<br>''gypsum''|| |- | || || '''tu<u>lo</u>b'''<br>''fingernail'' || '''tyolob'''<br>''toenail''||'''malof'''<br>''cirrocumulus'' || |} ==== Third-level Ordinal Scaling ==== ::: A third-level hierarchy can be created by prefixing an ordinal number vowel to the word. ::: Example: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Third-level Ordinal Scaling |- ! '''tuyub'''....''finger'' |- | '''<u>a</u>tuyub'''....''thumb'' |- | '''<u>e</u>tuyub'''....''index'' |- | '''<u>i</u>tuyub'''....''middle finger'' |- | '''<u>u</u>tuyub'''....''ring finger'' |- | '''<u>yo</u>tuyub'''....''pinky'' |} ::: So, to sum up, we have: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:6.4em; font-size:smaller" |+ Summary of Scaling |- ! '''t...b''' !! '''tob''' = ''human being'' |- | FIRST-LEVEL || '''tub'''....''arm'' |- | SECOND-LEVEL || '''tuyub'''....''finger'' |- | THIRD-LEVEL || '''atuyub'''....''thumb'' |} ==== Scaling with Prefixed Numbering ==== ::: We can also obtain a very convenient classification for new words by prefixing an ordinal vowel even though there is no first-level or second-level numbering. In this case, the first level usually begins with '''a'''. ::: Example: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Prefix Numbering |- ! align=left | NUMBER || '''dob'''....''state'' !! '''deb'''....''leader'' !! '''mez'''....''gem'' !! '''mer'''....''planet'' || '''maf'''....''cloud'' || '''sagtun'''....''mathematics'' |- ! 1 | '''<u>a</u>dob'''....''empire'' || '''adeb'''....''emperor'' || '''amez'''....''diamond'' || '''Amer'''....''Mercury'' || '''amaf'''....''nimbus'' || '''asagtun'''....''arithmetic'' |- ! 2 | '''<u>e</u>dob'''....''kingdom'' || '''edeb'''....''king'' || '''emez'''....''topaz'' || '''Emer'''....''Venus'' || '''emaf'''....''stratus'' || '''esagtun'''....''geometry'' |- ! 3 | '''<u>i</u>dob'''....''principality'' || '''ideb'''....''prince'' || '''imez'''....''ruby'' || '''Imer'''....''Earth'' || '''imaf'''....''nimbostatus'' || '''isagtun'''....''algebra'' |- ! 4 | '''<u>u</u>dob'''....''duchy'' || '''udeb'''....''duke'' || '''umez'''....''emerald'' ||'''Umer'''....''Mars'' || '''umaf'''....''cumulus'' || '''usagtun'''....''trigonometry'' |- ! 5 | '''<u>yo</u>dob'''....''marquisate'' || '''yodeb'''....''marquis'' || '''yomez'''....''saphire'' || '''Yomer'''....''Jupiter'' || '''yomaf'''....''cumulostatus'' || '''yosagtun'''....''calculus'' |- ! 6 | '''<u>ya</u>dob'''....''county'' || '''yadeb'''....''count'' || '''yamez'''....''lapis lazuli'' || '''Yamer'''....''Saturn'' || '''yamaf'''....''stratocumulus'' || |- ! 7 | '''<u>ye</u>dob'''....''dominion'' || '''yedeb'''....''lord'' || '''yemez'''....''amthyst'' || '''Yemer'''....''Uranus'' || '''yemaf'''....''altocumulus'' || |- ! 8 | '''<u>yi</u>dob'''....''viscounty'' || '''yideb'''....''viscount'' || '''yimez'''....''amber'' ||'''Yimer'''....''Pluto'' || '''yimaf'''....''altostratus'' || |- ! 9 | '''<u>yu</u>dob'''....''barony'' || '''yudeb'''....''baron'' || '''yumez'''....''topaz'' || || '''yumaf'''....''cirrocumulus'' || |- ! 10 | '''<u>alo</u>dob'''....''tribe'' || '''alodeb'''....''tribal chief'' || '''alomez'''....''opal'' || || '''alomaf'''....''cirrus'' || |} === Rule #4: Overlapping === : When combining two words, if the generic (final) consonant of the first word is the same as the classifier (first) consonant of the second word, the generic consonant of the determining word is dropped. This results in '''''overlapping''''' or a '''''portmanteau'''''. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Overlapping in Compounds |- ! First Word !! Second Word !! Portmanteau |- | '''dom'''....''city'' || '''mep'''....''road'' || '''domep'''....''boulevard'' |- | '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''teub'''....''mouth'' || '''pateub'''....''beak'' |- | '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''patub'''....''wing'' |- | '''teupib'''....''tooth'' || '''byok'''....''pain'' || '''teypibyok'''....''toothache'' |} : In some cases, this type of overlapping can cause ambiguity, and is therefore avoided. === Rule #5: Adding Ordinal Vowels === : When forming a compound word with the words of a same family of terms, if the ordinal vowel is an '''o''', replace it with the ordinal vowel of the determinant word. : Examples: ::* '''edob'''....''kingdom'' -> '''deb'''....''chief'' -> '''edeb'''....''monarch'' ('''edweb'''....''king'', '''edeyb'''....''queen'') ::* '''udob'''....''principality'' -> '''deb'''....''chief'' -> '''udeb'''....''prince'' ('''udweb'''....''prince'', '''udeyb'''....''princess'') : By contrast, if the two words are already ordered, the vowel of the determinant (first word) is inserted between the ordinal vowel of the determined (second) word and the generic (final) consonant: : Examples: : '''mil'''....''water'' + '''mal'''....''air'' -> '''mial'''....''vapor, steam'' === Rule #6: Swapping Generic Consonants === : When the generic (final) consonant of a base word is replaced by that of another base word, the entire family of the latter undergoes the transformation by the new generic consonant. : Example: <b>to<u>b</u></b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#x21D8;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<b>-b</b> = <i>organism</i>) (<b>t-</b> = <i>human</i>)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &rArr;&nbsp;&nbsp; <b>tof</b>....<i>clothing, apparel</i> (<b>n-</b> = <i>commercial</i>)&nbsp;&nbsp; &rArr;&nbsp;&nbsp; <b>nof</b>....<i>cloth, fabric</i> <b>no<u>f</u></b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#x21D7;&nbsp;&nbsp;(<b>-f</b> = <i>cloth</i>) {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Swapping Generic Consonants |- ! Base Word 1 !! Base Word 2 !! Derived Word |- | '''tob'''....''human'' || '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''tov'''....''lingerie'' |- | '''tab'''....''body'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''taf'''....''suit'' |- | '''teb'''....''head'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tef'''....''hat'' |- | '''tib'''....''trunk'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tif'''....''vest'' |- | '''tyoyab'''....''foot'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tyoyaf'''....''shoe'' |- | '''tyoyab'''....''foot'' || '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''tyoyav'''....''sock'' |- | '''tuyab'''....''hand'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''tuyaf'''....''glove'' |- | '''doob'''^*....''nation'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' || '''doof'''....''flag'' |- | '''taob'''^*....''flesh'' || '''tol'''....''food'' || '''taol'''....''meat'' |} :<small>* This is a derived, not base, word, but the principle holds.</small> === Rule #7: Marking Words for Gender === : Words in Mirad are neutral with respect to gender, but specifically masculine or feminine gender can be marked in nouns and pronouns with the use of the masculine infix '''w''' and the feminine infix '''y'''. If the noun or pronoun is animate, then gender can marked. If the noun or pronoun is inanimate, then it can be marked for predominate use by or reference to a male or female. ::* To make a neutral animate noun or pronoun specifically male, precede the ordinal (stem) vowel with '''w'''. ::* To make a neutral animate noun or pronoun specifically female, follow the ordinal (stem) vowel with '''y'''. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Marking Animate Nouns for Gender |- ! Gender-Neutral !! Male !! Female |- | '''tob'''....''human being'' || '''twob'''....''man'' || '''toyb'''....''woman'' |- | '''tobet'''....''young person'' || '''twobet'''....''boy'' || '''toybet'''....''girl'' |- | '''ted'''....''parent'' || '''twed'''....''father'' || '''teyd'''....''mother'' |- | '''it'''....''he/she/it'' || '''wit'''....''he'' || '''iyt'''....''she'' |- | '''apat'''....''cock'' || '''apwat'''....''rooster'' || '''apayt'''....''hen'' |- | '''toob'''....''gender'' || '''twoob'''....''male'' || '''tooyb'''....''female'' |} ::* Inanimate objects, such as items of clothing or body pats, can be "feminized" in a similar way. In such a case, the feminized form refers to an object that is for women, rather than men, eg.: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Making Inanimate Objects Female-related |- ! Male-oriented or Neutral !! Female-oriented |- | '''taf'''....''suit'' || '''tayf'''....''dress'' |- | '''tyoyav'''....''sock'' || '''tyoyayv'''....''stockings'' |- | '''tiav'''....''shirt'' || '''tiayv'''....''blouse'' |} ::* Some body parts can be marked for maleness or femaleness: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Body Parts Genderized |- ! Neutral !! Male-oriented !! Female-oriented |- | '''tilab'''....''breast'' || '''twilab'''....''male breast'' || '''tilayb'''....''female breast'' |- | || '''twiyib'''....''testicals'' || '''tiyiyb'''....''ovary'' |- | '''tiyub'''....''sexual organ'' || '''twiyub'''....''penis'' || '''tiyuyb'''....''vagina'' |} ::* In nouns that end in '''-ut''', the agentive suffix meaning ''-er, one who...'', the nouns can be feminized by changing '''-ut''' to '''-uyt''', eg. '''dezut'''....''actor'' -> '''dezuyt'''....''actress''. Because the stem of such words is often a verb, prefixing '''-ut''' with '''w''' to make it specifically male is normally not done, because the '''w''' can sometimes be confused with the passive voice marker. For this reason, a word like '''dezut''' can mean ''actor'' of neutral or male gender. ::* Animate nouns having the ending '''-et''' (smaller version of some person), are genderized by adding '''w''' or '''y''' to the semantic base of the word, eg. '''tobet'''....''child, youth'' -> '''toybet'''....''girl'' or '''twobet'''....''boy''. === Rule #8: Deriving Words with Geo-specific Vowels === : A series of related words can be derived from a Group 1 base word by replacing the ordinal vowel with one of the following vowels, which have certain specific geographic meanings. : Geo-specific Vowels: <div style="background: lightyellow"> ::* '''o'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''outer space, abstract object, initial stuff''' ::* '''a'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''sky, air, gas''' ::* '''e'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''land, soil, solid''' ::* '''i'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''sea, water, liquid''' ::* '''u'''<big>&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;&nbsp;</big>'''underground, mineral, concrete object, other''' </div> :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Deriving Words with Geo-specific Vowels |- ! !!'''m...p''' !! '''m...m''' !! '''d...p''' !! '''p...t''' !! '''m...l''' |- ! Space | '''mop'''....''orbit'' || '''mom'''....''space'' || '''dop'''....''military'' || '''pot'''....||'''mol'''....''nature'' |- ! Sky | '''map'''....''wind'' || '''mam'''....''sky'' || '''dap'''....''air force'' || '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''mal'''....''air'' |- ! Land | '''mep'''....''road''|| '''mem'''....''land''|| '''dep'''....''army'' || '''pet'''....''land animal'' || '''mel'''....''soil'' |- ! Water | '''mip'''....''river''|| '''mim'''....''sea''|| '''dip'''....''marine force'' || '''pit'''....''fish'' || '''mil'''....''water'' |- ! Underground (or other) | '''mup'''....''tunnel''|| '''mum'''....''underground'' || || || '''mul'''....''stuff'' |} : This vowel codification also allows generating other categories of words by infixing, just before the generic (final) consonant, a vowel having the value that is attributed to it in Rule #9. This creates "hybrid" nouns. See the chapter on [[Mirad Grammar/Hybrids|Hybrids]] for more on this subject. :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Hybrid nouns |- ! First-level Derivation !! + Geospecific Vowel !! Second-level Derivation |- | '''pet'''....''land animal'' || '''i'''....''water, sea''|| '''pe<u>i</u>t'''....''aquatic mammal'' |- | '''pelt'''....''insect'' || '''a'''....''air, sky''|| '''pel<u>a</u>t'''....''flying insect'' |- | '''mel'''....''soil'' || '''i'''....''water, sea'' || '''me<u>i</u>l'''....''mud'' |- | '''mil'''....''water'' || '''a'''....''air, gas'' || '''mi<u>a</u>l'''....''vapor'' |} === Rule #9: Deriving Words with Vectorial Vowels === : The rule for deriving words with vectorial ( = directional and positional) vowels starts with the following schema: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" |+ Vectorial Vowel Values |- | colspan=8 align=center | '''A''' |- | rowspan=6 align=center | '''U''' || || '''a'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''<u>a</u>''' || <big>↑</big><br>'''<u>ya</u>''' ||'''ya'''<br>↑<big></big> || || rowspan=6 align=center | '''I''' |- | '''u''' → || || '''<u>e</u>'''||'''<u>ye</u>''' || || → '''i''' |- | → '''<u>u</u>''' || ||'''e''' ||'''ye''' || || '''<u>i</u>''' → |- | → '''<u>yu</u>''' || || colspan=2 align=center| '''E''' || || '''<u>yi</u>''' → |- | '''yu''' → || || || || || → '''yi''' |- | || <big>↑</big><br>'''o''' || '''<u>o</u>'''<br>↑<big></big> || '''<u>yo</u>'''<br><big>↓</big> || <big>↓</big><br>'''yo''' || |- | colspan=8 align=center| '''O''' |} :: Explanation of the above chart: :::* If the vowel is capitalized, it indicates a '''''positional''''' value. It is used in its lowercase spelling as a prefix in Group I words. :::* The non-capitalized vowels (including y-glides) indicate '''''directional''''' values. :::* If the vowel is underlined, it means that it is placed '''''before''''' the classifier consonant (prefixed) in verbs and involves contact. :::* Otherwise, a normal vowel means that it is placed '''''after''''' the classifier consonant (infixed) in Group 2 words and involves free movement. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:4.8em; font-size:smaller" border="0" |+ Explanation of the Vectorial Vowels Chart |- | '''A''' || position || || on, above, north || '''amer'''....''north'' |- | '''a''' || movement || (free) || ''on'' || '''baer'''....''lean'' |- | '''<u>a</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''onto''||'''aber'''....''put on'' |- | '''ya''' || movement || (free) || ''up, ascend''|| '''byaer'''....''lift'' |- | '''<u>ya</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''up, get up, set up''|| '''yaber'''....''raise'' |- | '''O''' || position || || under, lower, south|| '''omer'''....''south'' |- | '''o''' || movement || (free) || ''off''|| '''boer'''....''hang'' |- | '''<u>o</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''on the bottom of, underneath''|| '''oper'''....''get off'' |- | '''yo''' || movement || (free) || ''down''|| '''pyoser'''....''fall'' |- | '''<u>yo</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''fall''|| '''yoper'''....''rise'' |- | '''U''' || position || || left, west|| '''umer'''....''west'' |- | '''u''' || movement || (free) || ''move toward the center, come''|| '''uber'''....''send'' |- | '''<u>u</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''reach the center, arrive''|| '''pyuer'''....''reach'' |- | '''yu''' || movement || (free) || ''near, approach''|| '''yuber'''....''approach'' |- | '''<u>yu</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''near, reach''|| '''byuser'''....''touch'' |- | '''I''' || position || || right, east|| '''imer'''....''east'' |- | '''i''' || movement || (free) || ''from the center out, go away''|| '''pier'''....''go away'' |- | '''<u>i</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from the center out, leave''|| '''iper'''....''leave'' |- | '''yi''' || movement || (free) || ''away, go far''|| '''yiper'''....''go far'' |- | '''<u>yi</u>''' || movement || (contact) || ''from afar, originate''|| '''pyiser'''....''originate'' |- | '''E''' || position || || center, equator|| '''emer'''....''equator'' |- | '''e''' || rest || || ''between''|| '''eb'''....''between'' |- | '''<u>e</u>''' || rest || || ''at, stay, hold''|| '''bexer'''....''hold'' |- | '''ye''' || movement || || ''in, into, enter''|| '''yeper'''....''enter'' |- | '''<u>ye</u>''' || ||(contact) || ''up against, strike''|| '''pyexer'''....''strike'' |} ==== Special value of certain vowels ==== : The prefixes '''a-''' or '''an-''' meaning ''one, sole, singular'': ::* '''aot'''....''person, individual'' ::* '''anota'''....''alone, solitary'' ::* '''anay'''....''only'' ::* '''aun'''....''unit'' : The prefixes '''ya-''' or '''yan-''' meaning ''collection, plural'': ::* '''yat'''....''we, us'' ::* '''yanot'''....''constituent'' ::* '''yanota'''....''communal'' ::* '''yanotyan'''....''community'' ::* '''yan'''....''together'' : Also, the prefix '''yan-''' meaning ''together'' contrasts with '''yon-'''....''apart''. ::* '''yon'''....''apart'' ::* '''yanota'''....''communal'' vs. '''yonota'''....''private'' ::* '''yanxer'''....''to combine'' vs. '''yonxer'''....''to separate'' === Rule #10: Deriving Words with Mnemonic Patterns === : Sometimes part of a derived word can serve as a mnemonic pattern for forming other words having some relationship or parallelism in meaning. : For example, the mnemonic '''eu''' pattern from the word for mouth, '''teud''' can be used to form many other words having an oral, acoustic, vocal, or sound-related meaning: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Mnemonic Pattern Derivation |- ! Pattern Word<br>'''teub'''....''mouth'' !! Classifier !! Generic |- | '''teud'''....''shout'' || '''t''' = human || '''d''' = communication |- | '''teuz'''....''voice'' || '''t''' = human || '''z''' = art |- | '''deuz'''....''song'' || '''d''' = communication || '''z''' = art |- | '''seuz'''....''tone'' || '''s''' = thing || '''z''' = art |- | '''seux'''....''sound'' || '''s''' = thing || '''x''' = action |- | '''xeus'''....''noise'' || '''x''' = action || '''s''' = thing |- | '''teuf'''....''muzzle'' || '''t''' = human || '''f''' = apparel |- | '''teuv'''....''mask'' || '''t''' = human || '''v''' = linen |- | '''teus'''....''taste''|| '''t''' = human || '''s''' = thing |- | '''deup'''....''rhythm''|| '''d''' = communication || '''p''' = ''motion'' |} {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ More Mnemonic Pattern Derivations |- ! Pattern Word<br>'''teab'''....''eye'' !! '''(t)ea-''' = ''see'' !! Generic |- | '''teaper'''....''visit'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''go'' |- | '''teader'''....''witness'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''say'' |- | '''teaxer'''....''look'' || " " " || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teaser'''....''seem'' || " " " || '''s''' = ''be'' |- | '''teater'''....''see'' || " " " || '''t''' = ''know'' |- | '''keaxer'''....''scan'' || '''ke-''' = ''seek'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''vyaleaxer'''....''check'' || '''vyal-''' = ''certain''|| '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''yoneater'''....''distinguish'' || '''yon-''' = ''apart''|| '''t''' = ''know'' |- | '''beaxer'''....''guard'' || '''be-''' = ''hold'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teatier'''....''perceive'' || || '''-i-''' = subject-directed |- | '''teatuer'''....''show'' || || '''-u-''' = object-directed |- ! Pattern Word<br>'''teeb'''....''ear'' !! '''(t)ee-''' = ''hear'' !! Generic |- | '''teeper'''....''attend'' || " " " || '''p''' = ''go'' |- | '''teeder'''....''testify'' || " " " || '''d''' = ''say'' |- | '''teexer'''....''listen'' || " " " || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teeser'''....''sound (like)'' || " " " || '''s''' = ''be'' |- | '''teeter'''....''hear'' || " " " || '''t''' = ''know'' |- | '''keexer'''....''scan (acoustically)'' || '''ke-''' = ''seek'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''koteexer'''....''snoop on'' || '''ko-''' = ''hide'' || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''vyaleexer'''....''sound out'' || '''vyal-''' = certain || '''x''' = ''do'' |- | '''teetier'''....''get wind of'' || || '''-i-''' = subject-directed |- | '''teetuer'''....''make heard'' || || '''-u-''' = object-directed |- | '''zyateetuer'''....''rumor'' || '''zya-''' = ''all around'' || '''-u-''' = objected-directed |} : A syllable of a long compound can be suppressed as long as it does not cause ambiguity or confusion. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Shortening Long Compounds |- ! Word 1 !! Word 2 !! Long Compound !! Shortened Compound |- | '''ekpet'''....''horse'' || '''teuder'''....''make a noise'' || *'''ekpeteuder''' || '''ekpeder'''....''neigh'' |- | '''serpyet'''....''snake'' || '''teuder'''....''make a noise'' || *'''serpyeteuder''' || '''sepyeder'''....''hiss'' |- | '''vifeb'''....''grape'' || '''il'''....''liquid'' || *'''vifebil'''....''grape juice'' || '''vifil'''....''wine'' |- | '''povob'''....''grain'' || '''il'''....''liquid'' || *'''povobil''' || '''povil'''....''beer'' |} : Sometimes, the last syllable of a compound or last letters of a word will give birth to a new stubs whose derivations, through the application of this rule, will not be long. : Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ From Full Words to Stubs |- ! Compound !! New Stub !! Derivation |- | '''tilabil'''....''breast milk'' || '''bil'''....''milk''|| '''bilyug'''....''butter'' |- | '''fauf'''....''log'' || '''-uf'''....(stub suffix for types of) ''cylinder''|| '''muf'''....''rod, stick'' |- | '''zyeg'''....''hole'' || '''-yeg'''....(stub suffix for types of) ''hole'', ''hollow thing''|| '''mufyeg'''....''pipe'' |} : The clipped word '''bil''' now gives rise to other compounds: ::* '''bilyig'''....''cheese'' ::* '''bilyigem'''....''cheese factory'' ::* '''bilyug'''....''butter'' ::* '''bilyugyena'''....''butter-like'' : The word '''mufyeg''' (Lit: hollow stick) means '''pipe, reed, cylinder''' === Rule #11: Deriving Nuanced Words Phonetically === : Words which follow Rule #11 are those that are connected by a similarity of meaning or quality. These words differ by nuances and it is phonetic nuances that govern their formation. : These nuances are obtained by: :* Addition of a subordinal vowel of the same type as the ordinal vowel. :: These vowels are: ::: '''a''' for '''a''' and '''ya''' ::: '''e''' for '''e''' and '''ye''' ::: '''i''' for '''i''' and '''yi''' ::: '''o''' for '''o''' and '''yo''' ::: '''u''' for '''u''' and '''yu''' :: Examples: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Creating Nuances with a Doubled Vowel |- ! Word !! Nuanced Derivation |- | '''nad'''....''line'' || '''naad'''....''rail'' |- | '''dob'''....''state'' || '''doob'''....''nation'' |- | '''vyab'''....''rule'' || '''vyayab'''....''system'' |- | '''boka'''....''sick'' || '''booka'''....''tired'' |- | '''nog'''....''degree'' || '''noog'''....''phase'' |- | '''bil'''....''milk'' || '''biil'''....''juice'' |} :* Post-y-gliding the ordinal vowel or subordinal vowel, to produce a nuance of '''''less''''' intensity: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Deintensification with Post-y-gliding |- ! Word !! Mitigated Derivation |- | '''ifer'''....''love'' || '''iyfer'''....''like'' |- | '''iva'''....''happy'' || '''iyva'''....''glad'' |- | '''zyutom'''....''tower'' || '''zyutoym'''....''turret'' |- | '''ama'''....''hot'' || '''ayma'''....''warm'' |- | '''oma'''....''cold'' || '''oyma'''....''cool'' |} :* Pre-y-gliding the ordinal vowel or subordinal vowel, to produce a nuance of '''''greater''''' intensity: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Intensification with Pre-y-Gliding |- ! Word !! Enhanced Derivation |- | '''pot'''....''wild animal'' || '''pyot'''....''predator animal'' |- | '''pat'''....''bird'' || '''pyat'''....''bird of prey'' |- | '''tod'''....''family'' || '''tyod'''....''people'' |- | '''oma'''....''cold'' || '''yoma'''....''frozen'' |- | '''nuxer'''....''pay'' || '''nyuxer'''....''deliver'' |- | '''nexer'''....''save'' || '''nyexer'''....''store'' |} :* Following the ordinal vowel or the consonant with the intensifying liquid '''l''' or the further intensifying liquid '''r''': {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Intensification with L and R |- ! Word !! L-Intensitifed || R-Intensified |- | '''ifer'''....''love'' || '''ifler'''....''be fond of'' || '''ifrer'''....''adore'' |- | '''iva'''....''happy'' || '''ivla'''....''content'' || '''ivra'''....''delighted'' |- | '''vaa'''....''affirmative'' || '''vlaa'''....''sure'' || '''vraa'''....''indubitable'' |- | '''aga'''....''big'' || '''agla'''....''huge'' || '''agra'''....''immense'' |- | '''ga'''....''more'' || '''gala'''....''multiple'' || '''gara'''....''exponential'' |- | '''baer'''....''lean on'' || '''baler'''....''press'' || '''barer'''....''crush'' |- | '''yexer'''....''work'' || '''yexler'''....''labor'' || '''yexrer'''....''toil, slave'' |- | '''yixer'''....''use'' || '''yixler'''....''hire'' || '''yixrer'''....''exploit'' |} :* Adding consonants other than '''l''' or '''r''' as the generic consonant: : Some words have so many nuanced varieties that other letters like '''t''', '''f''', '''s''', '''k''', and '''z''' are used, eg.: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Creating Nuances with Other Consonants |- ! Word !! Nuanced Derivation |- | '''fia'''....''good'' || '''fika'''....''perfect''<br>'''fira'''....''excellent'' |- | '''fua'''....''bad'' || '''futa'''....''wicked''<br>'''fura'''....''rotten'' |- | '''gea'''....''equal'' || '''geta'''....''identical''<br>'''gela'''....''alike'' |- | '''vyaa'''....''true'' || '''vyaka'''....''correct''<br>'''vyama'''....''real'' |- | '''vyoa'''....''false'' || '''vyoka'''....''incorrect''<br>'''vyoma'''....''fake'' |- | '''yiga'''....''hard'' || '''yigza'''....''sour''<br>'''yigla'''....''brusk''<br>'''yigra'''....''brutal'' |- | '''yuga'''....''soft'' || '''yugfa'''....''smooth''<br>'''yugla'''....''tender''<br>'''yugra'''....''mild'' |} :* Transforming the generic consonant from voiced to unvoiced or vice versa: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Voicing or Devoicing Consonants for Nuance |- ! Word !! Nuanced Derivation |- | '''nab'''....''row'' || '''nap'''....''order'' |- | '''vyava'''....''just'' || '''vyafa'''....''precise'' |- | '''jwab'''....''minute'' || '''jwap'''....''moment'' |- | '''jweb'''....''second'' || '''jwep'''....''instant'' |- | '''tab'''....''body'' || '''tap'''....''physique'' |- | '''tob'''....''person'' || '''top'''....''soul, animus'' |- | '''nov'''....''linen'' || '''nof'''....''cloth'' |- | '''naz'''....''value'' || '''nas'''....''money'' |- | '''nag'''....''dimension'' || '''nak'''...''unit of measurement'' |} == Technical Nomenclature == : The sections below describe how techical vocabulary is developed in Mirad. In most cases, there are common, ordinary words, but these are supplemented with less common, technical terms that are usually somehow based on an international nomenclature standard. Typically, the common words share a stem, which is prefixed with ordinal syllables that group words of the basis of some like features. === Zoological Nomenclature === {{status|100%}} [[File:Animal diversity.jpg|thumb|]] : The names of animals are formed in a systematic way. ==== Base Names ==== : First of all, the base stem of all animal names (except human) begin with '''p''' (mobile) and end with '''t''' (sentient), the idea being that animals are moving, sentient creatures. : The vowels in the stem are geo-specific and indicate whether the animal inhabits the air ('''a'''), water ('''i'''), land ('''e'''), or a hybrid of these; whether it is wild ('''o'''), tame, or predatory ('''y'''); and a few other features, as shown in the chart below: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Animal Base Names in Geo-specific Terms |- ! Type !! Air = a !! Water = i !! Land = e !! Anywhere = o |- valign=top !row=1| Ordinary |'''pat'''....''bird'' || '''pit'''....''fish'' || '''pet'''....''domestic land animal'' || '''pot'''....''wild animal'' |- valign=top !row=1| Predatory |'''pyat'''....''raptor'' || '''pyit'''....''predatory fish'' || '''pyet'''....''reptile'' ||'''pyot'''....''predatory animal'' |- valign=top !row=1| Hybrid |'''piat'''....''waterfowl''<br>'''pelat'''....''flying insect''<br>'''paet'''....''flightless bird'' ||'''piit'''....''crustacean''<br>'''pilt'''....''marine invertebrate''<br>'''peit'''....''mammalian fish''<br>'''pyeit'''....''mollusk''|| '''payet'''....''flying reptile''<br>'''piyet'''....''batracian''<br>'''peyet'''....''worm''<br>'''pelt'''....''insect'' ||'''piot'''....''aquatic mammal'' |} ==== Derived Names ==== : The names of different species of animals are derived by prefixing syllables to the base names that are obtained from the Latin names in the [https://www.itis.gov/| Linnaean taxonomy]. In that taxonomy, all of the dog or dog-like animal species are ranked under the family name '''Canidae''' (''canids''). The family prefix is derived by taking the first syllable and spelling it in Mirad as it is pronounced in Latin. ''Ca'' in Latin is pronounced '''ka'''. See the table below in which Latin spellings are given in Mirad. In this family, one dog species is domestic, Canis familiaris, while all the others are wild or predatory. So, to derive the word for the common domesticated dog, we would affix the family taxonomic prefix '''ka''' to the base name for domestic land animal '''pet''', yielding '''kapet''' (''dog''). All other members of the dog family end in '''pot''' (feral animal) or '''pyot''' (predatory animal). The taxonomic prefix must contain at least one consonant and one vowel. If not, the prefix derived from the Latin taxon is extended until that rule is met. The taxonomic syllables are prefixed to the base animal type name in reverse order of the Linnaean; for example, ''prairie dog'' (which is not a dog, but a rodent) is rendered by '''ci³xi²ro¹pot''' from '''<u>Ro</u>¹dentia <u>Sci</u>²uridae <u>Cy</u>³nomys''', where '''pot''' is the basic animal type ''wild animal''. All rodents have the taxonomic syllable '''ro''' from the Latin "order" taxon ''Rodentia'', while all squirrel names will have the syllable '''xi''' from a pronunciation spelling of the Latin "family" taxon ''<u>Sci</u>uridae'' ('''<u>xi</u>uriday'''). The following shows the system as it is applied to the dog family: :: <u>Ca</u>nidae (''dog family'') > ::: '''<u>ka</u>pet'''...''the common domestic dog'' (only one species, ''Canis familiaris'') ::: '''<u>ka</u>pot'''...''wild dog'' ::: '''<u>ka</u>pyot'''...''predatory dog'' : Species under '''kapyot''' are derived by taking the first syllables of the respective Latin binomial (and sometimes trinomial) species names: :: ''Canis <u>lu</u>pus'' > '''<u>lu</u>kapyot'''...''gray wolf (or just wolf)'' :: ''Canis <u>la</u>trans'' > '''<u>la</u>kapyot'''...''coyote, prairie wolf'' ::: ''Canis latrans <u>les</u>tes'' > '''<u>les</u>lakapyot'''...''mountain coyote'' :: ''Canis <u>au</u>rus'' > '''<u>aw</u>kapyot''' > ''jackal, golden jackal'' ::: ''Canis aurus <u>cur</u>ensis'' > '''<u>kur</u>awkapyot'''....''Indochinese jackal'' :: ''Canis <u>vul</u>pus'' > '''<u>vul</u>kapyot'''...''fox, red fox'' : If the taxonomic syllable ends in a vowel and precedes another syllable beginning with a vowel, the first taxonomic syllable is extended until it ends in a consonant. In the case of the Indochinese jackal, the base is '''awkapyot''' and the taxonomic syllable to be prefixed from ''curensis'' would normally be '''ku''', but it has to be extended to '''kur''' because the base begins in a vowel. : The conversion of Latin/Greek spellings to Mirad is governed by the following chart: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Latin/Greek - Mirad correspondences |- ! Latin/Greek Spelling !! Latin Sound !! Mirad Spelling !! Example |- | ''au'' || ''aw'' || '''aw''' || ''<u>au</u>rus''....'''aw-''' |- | ''eu'' || ''ew'' || '''ew''' || ''<u>eu</u>ropa''....'''ew-''' |- | ''ai''<br>''ae'' || ''ay'' || '''ay''' || ''<u>ae</u>gyptus''....'''ay-''' |- | ''ei'' <br> ''ey'' || ''ey'' || '''ey''' || ''Rh<u>ei</u>dae''....'''<u>ey</u>''' |- | ''oe'' || ''oy'' || '''oy''' || ''F<u>oe</u>niculum''....'''oy''' |- | ''ua'' || ''wa'' || '''wa''' || ''s<u>ua</u>vis''....'''s<u>wa</u>''' |- | ''ca/co/cu'' || ''ka/ko/ku'' || '''ka/ko/ku''' || ''<u>ca</u>nis''....'''<u>ka</u>''' |- | ''ce/ci/cy''' || ''che/chi/chi'' || '''ce/ci/cy''' || ''<u>cy</u>pris''....'''<u>ci</u>''' |- | ''y'' || ''i'' || '''i''' || ''c<u>y</u>pris''....'''<u>i</u>''' |- | ''g''' || ''g'' || '''g''' || ''<u>Ge</u>ococcyx''/''<u>Ga</u>stropoda''....'''<u>g</u>''' |- | ''ch'' || ''k'' || '''k''' || ''<u>Chi</u>roptera''....'''<u>ki</u>''' |- | ''ph'' || ''f'' || '''f''' ||''S<u>ph</u>yrapicus''....'''<u>f</u>''' |- | ''rh'' || ''r'' || '''r''' || ''Rh<u>ei</u>dae''....'''<u>ey</u>''' |- | ''x'' || ''ks'' || '''ks''' || ''Lo<u>x</u>odonta''....'''<u>ks</u>''' |- | ''qu'' || ''kw'' || '''kw''' || ''<u>Qu</u>ercus''....'''<u>kw</u>''' |- | ''j'' || ''y'' || '''j''' || ''<u>ju</u>lianus''....'''<u>ju</u>''' |- | ''sci'' || ''shi'' || '''xi''' || ''<u>Sci</u>uridae''....'''<u>xi</u>''' |- | ''th'' || ''t'' || '''t''' || ''<u>Th</u>unnus''....'''<u>t</u>''' |- | ''cci'' || ''ksi'' || '''ksi''' || ''Va<u>cc</u>inus''....'''<u>ksi</u>''' |} : Note that double consonants are counted as being two consonants in different syllables. So, for example, the taxonomic syllable for ''Cinnamomum'' would be '''cin'''. : The Latin letter ''j'' is represented in Mirad with '''j''' even though it is pronounced like a ''y''. This is for better recognizability. ==== Genderized and Other Forms ==== : Form the female of an animal by inserting a '''y''' before the '''t''' of the base adult name: ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kape<u>y</u>t'''....''bitch'' ::* '''vulkapyot'''....''fox'' ====> '''vulkapyo<u>y</u>t'''....''vixen'' : Form the specific male of an animal by inserting a '''w''' right after the '''p''' of the base adult name, unless the base name begins with '''py''' in which case the '''w''' is inserted just before the '''t''' of the base name: ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekp<u>w</u>et'''....''stallion'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbop<u>w</u>et'''....''ram'' ::* '''vulkapyot'''....''fox'' ====> '''vulkpyo<u>w</u>t'''....''dog fox'' : Form the gelded version of an animal by inserting an '''o''' after the ordinal vowel of the base male adult name: ::* '''bopet'''....''bovine'' ====> '''bopwe<u>o</u>t'''....''ox'' ::* '''gafapat'''....''cock'' ====> '''gafapwe<u>o</u>t'''....''capon'' : The offspring of an animal is formed by suffixing '''-ud''', the stub for '''tud'''....''child'': ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpet<u>ud</u>'''....''colt'' ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapet<u>ud</u>'''....''pup'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbopet<u>ud</u>'''....''lamb'' : The pet name of an animal is derived by suffixing '''-if''': ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapet<u>if</u>'''....''puppy'' ::* '''fepet'''....''cat'' ====> '''fepet<u>if</u>'''....''kitty'' : The diminutive of an animal is formed by suffixing '''-og''': ::* '''supet'''....''pig'' ====> '''supet<u>og</u>'''....''piggy'' ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpet<u>og</u>'''....''pony'' : Sometimes, the above derivations can be combined. The animal '''ekpet'''....''horse'' can serve as an example: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Derivations of Horse |- ! Variation !! Mirad Name !! English Name |- !row=1| Adult |'''ekpet'''||''horse'' |- !row=1| Male | '''ekpwet'''||''stallion'' |- !row=1| Female | '''ekpeyt'''||''mare'' |- !row=1| Offspring | '''ekpetud'''||''colt'' |- !row=1| Female Offspring | '''ekpetuyd'''||''filly'' |- !row=1| Small adult |'''ekpetog'''||''pony'' |- !row=1| Gelded | '''ekpweot'''||''gelding'' |} ==== Animal Sounds ==== : The sound that an animal makes can be derived by substituting the '''t''' of the base name with '''d''', the letter associated with communication. The verb form ends in '''-der''': ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpeder'''....''to neigh'' ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapeder'''....''to bark'' ::* '''pat'''....''bird'' ====> '''pader'''....''to tweet, chirp'' ::* '''serpyet'''....''snake'' ====> '''serpyeder'''....''to hiss'' : A collection of animals can be derived by suffixing '''-yan''' or '''-nyan''': ::* '''lepanfepyot'''....''lion'' ====> '''lepanfepyotyan'''....''a pride of lions'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbopetyan'''....''a herd of sheep'' ::* '''pit'''....''fish'' ====> '''pityan'''....''a school of fish'' : Motions that animals make can be derived by replacing the final '''t''' of the base name with '''-per'''....''to go'': ::* '''serpyet'''....''snake'' ====> '''serpeper'''....''to slither'' ::* '''lapet'''....''rabbit'' ====> '''lapeper'''....''to hop'' ::* '''ekpet'''....''horse'' ====> '''ekpeper'''....''to gallop'' : The food name associated with an animal can be derived by ending the animal or animal part name in '''l''' (a stub for '''tel''', meaning ''food''): ::* '''supet'''....''pig'' ====> '''supel'''....''pork'' ::* '''supetyob'''....''hog leg'' ====> '''supetyol'''....''ham'' ::* '''bopet'''....''steer'' ====> '''bopel'''....''beef'' ::* '''ovbopet'''....''sheep'' ====> '''ovbopel'''....''mutton'' ::* '''bopetud'''....''calf'' ====> '''bopetul'''....''veal'' ::* '''appelat'''....''bee'' ====> '''appelatel'''....''honey'' : The habitats of animals are formed by suffixing '''-am'''....''house'', '''-um'''....''cage'', etc. to the base name: ::* '''supet'''....''pig'' ====> '''supetam'''....''pigsty'' ::* '''gafapayt'''....''chicken'' ====> '''gafapaytam'''....''chicken coop'' ::* '''lepanfepyot'''....''lion'' ====> '''lepanfepyotam'''....''lion's den'' ::* '''kapet'''....''dog'' ====> '''kapetam'''....''doghouse'' ::* '''forpelt'''....''ant'' ====> '''forpeltam'''....''anthill'' ::* '''appelat'''....''bee'' ====> '''appelatam'''....''bee hive'' ::* '''pat'''....''bird'' ====> '''patum'''....''birdcage'', '''patsum'''....''nest'', '''patyanam'''...''aviary'' ::* '''pot'''....''wild animal'' ====> '''potam'''....''lair'' ==== Dog Breeds ==== [[File:The dog book - a popular history of the dog, with practical information as to care and management of house, kennel, and exhibition dogs, and descriptions of all the important breeds (1909) (20785715825).jpg|thumb|]] : Dog breeds are created by prefixing elements to '''kapet'''....''dog'' that are based on the official World Canine Organization dog breed site [[https://www.fci.be/en/nomenclature/]]. This site organizes dog breeds by groups, sections, subsections, and country ownership. : The base of the dog breed name is '''kapet'''....''dog''. The group number is converted to the lowercase alphabetic consonants ('''b''', '''c''', '''d''', etc.). The top or zeroth group is assigned to the ordinal vowel '''o''', so '''bokepet''' is a group category for sheepdogs and cattledogs. The sections underneath this group change the '''o'''....''zero'' to '''a'''....''one'', '''e'''....''two'', etc. The subsections below are enumerated with an initial ordinal vowel starting with '''a'''....''one'', '''e'''....''two'', etc. A particular breed is written as the country adjective representing the breed country of origin, followed a space, and the lowest section name preceded by the number of the country entry alphabetized. If there is only one entry of that country, no ordinal number is prefixed. : As an example: : To get the name for ''basset hound'': ::* Start with the word for dog: '''kapet'''. : This animal is in Group 6 for scent hounds and related breeds, so the 6th consonant in the Mirad alphabet is '''h'''. This is prefixed to '''kapet''', with an ordinal vowel representing the section the breed is in, starting with '''a''' for ''one''. The ''basset hound'' is in Section 1 for "scent hounds", so the prefix becomes '''ha-'''. ::* '''hakapet''' is a "scent hound" (not to be confused with '''ha kapet'''....''the dog''.). A basset hound is classified in subsection 1.3 as a "small-sized scent hound", so the ordinal vowel '''i'''.... ''three'' is prefixed: ::* '''ihakapet''' is a "small-sized scent hound" : A basset hound is the 1st small-sized scent hound entry under the country Great Britain, so the Mirad word '''a'''.... ''one'' is prefixed (with a '''w''' buffer glide when prefixed to a vowel) and the adjectival word for Great Britain, '''Gebaroma''' is placed in front, separated by a space: ::* '''Gebaroma awahikapet''' is a ''basset hound'', a dog breed name owned by Great Britain. The name can usually be abbreviated by dropping the country owner name, thus: '''awahikapet''' <gallery> </gallery> : Here is a partial representation of the hiararchy as obtained by the World Canine Organization (FCI) site. Other Mirad dog breed names can be created by consulting the site. Group 1 = '''<u>b</u>okapet'''....sheepdogs/cattledogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''b<u>a</u>kapet'''....sheepdogs ::::* Belgian only entry = '''Belima bakapet'''....''Belgian shepherd dog'' ::::* German only entry = '''Deuma bakapet'''....''German shepherd'' ::* Section 2 = '''bekapet'''....cattledogs except Swiss cattledogs ::::* Great Britain <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>e</u>bekapet'''....''Welsh corgi (Cardigan)'' Group 2 = '''<u>c</u>okapet'''....pinscher/schnauzer/Molossoid/Swiss Mountain-/Cattle Dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''c<u>a</u>kapet'''....pinscher/schnauzer type ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''c<u>e</u>kapet'''....Molossian type ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''c<u>i</u>kapet'''....''Swiss mountain/cattledogs'' Group 3 = '''<u>d</u>okapet'''....''terriers'' ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''d<u>a</u>kapet'''....large and medium-sized terriers ::::* Great Britain <u>9</u>th entry = '''Gebaroma <u>yu</u>dakapet'''....''Welsh terrier'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''d<u>a</u>kapet'''....small-sized terriers ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''d<u>e</u>kapet'''....bull type terriers ::::* Great Britain <u>3</u>rd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>i</u>dekapet'''....''Staffordshire bull terrier'' ::* Section <u>4</u> = '''d<u>a</u>kapet'''....toy terriers Group 4 = '''<u>f</u>okapet'''....<u>dachshunds</u> ::::* Germany only entry = '''fakapet'''....''dachshund'' Group 5 = '''<u>g</u>okapet'''....spitz and primitive types ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''g<u>a</u>kapet'''....nordic sledge dogs :::: USA <u>1</u>st entry = '''<u>a</u>gakapet'''....''Siberian husky'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''g<u>e</u>kapet'''....nordic hunting dogs ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''g<u>i</u>kapet'''....nordic watchdogs/herders ::* Section <u>4</u> = '''g<u>u</u>kapet'''....European spits ::* Section <u>5</u> = '''g<u>yo</u>kapet'''....Asian spitz and related breeds ::* Section <u>6</u> = '''g<u>ya</u>kapet'''....primitive types ::* Section <u>7</u> = '''g<u>ye</u>kapet'''....hunting dogs Group 6 = '''<u>h</u>okapet'''....scent hounds and related breeds ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''h<u>a</u>kapet'''....''scent hounds'' :::* Subsection 1.<u>1</u> = '''<u>a</u>hakapet'''....large-sized hounds ::::* USA <u>1</u>st entry = '''Usoma <u>aw</u>ahakapet'''....''American foxhound'' :::* Subsection 1.<u>2</u> = '''<u>e</u>hakapet'''....medium-sized hounds ::::* Great Britain only entry = '''Gebaroma ehakapet'''....''harrier'' :::* Subsection 1.<u>3</u> = '''<u>i</u>hakapet'''....small-sized hounds ::::* Great Britain <u>1</u>st entry = '''Gebaroma <u>aw</u>ihakapet'''....''basset hound'' ::::* Great Britain <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>ew</u>ihakapet'''....''beagle'' Group 7 = '''<u>j</u>okapet'''....pointing dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''j<u>a</u>kapet'''....''continental pointing dogs'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''j<u>e</u>kapet'''....''British and Irish pointers and setters'' Group 8 = '''<u>k</u>akapet'''....retrievers/flushing dogs/water dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''k<u>a</u>kapet'''....''retrievers'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''k<u>e</u>kapet'''....''flushing dogs'' ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''k<u>i</u>kapet'''....''water dogs'' Group 9 = '''<u>l</u>okapet'''....companion and toy dogs ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''l<u>a</u>kapet'''....bichons ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''l<u>e</u>kapet'''....poodles ::::* France only entry = '''Ferama lekapet'''....''poodle'' ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''l<u>i</u>kapet'''....small Belgian dogs ::* Section <u>4</u> = '''l<u>u</u>kapet'''....hairless dogs ::* Section <u>5</u> = '''l<u>yo</u>kapet'''....Tibetan breeds ::::* Tibet <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Tibama <u>e</u>lekapet'''....''shih tzu'' ::* Section <u>6</u> = '''l<u>ya</u>kapet'''....Chihuahueno ::::* Mexico only entry = '''Mexuma lyakapet'''....''chihuahua'' ::* Section <u>7</u> = '''l<u>ye</u>kapet'''....English toy spaniels ::* Section <u>8</u> = '''l<u>yi</u>kapet'''....Japan Chin and Pekingese ::* Section <u>9</u> = '''l<u>yu</u>kapet'''....continental toy spaniel and others ::* Section <u>10</u> = '''l<u>alo</u>kapet'''....Kromforhl&auml;nder ::* Section <u>10</u> = '''l<u>ale</u>kapet'''....small Molossian type dogs Group 10 = '''<u>m</u>okapet'''....sight hounds ::* Section <u>1</u> = '''m<u>a</u>kapet'''....long-haired sighthounds ::::* Great Britain <u>1</u>st entry = '''Gebaroma <u>a</u>makapet'''....''greyhound'' ::::* Great Britain <u>2</u>nd entry = '''Gebaroma <u>e</u>makapet'''....''whippet'' ::* Section <u>2</u> = '''m<u>e</u>kapet'''....rough-haired sighthounds ::* Section <u>3</u> = '''m<u>i</u>kapet'''....short-haired sighthounds ==== Cat Breeds ==== : The names for cat breeds are generated from the CFA organization's alphabetical list of cat breeds (See [https://cfa.org/breeds/]. You take the first letters of the CFA name up to the first non-initial consonant, and convert them to lowercase. If the next breed on the list has the same letters, add a Mirad number (1=a, 2=e, 3=i, ...) to distinguish them. Now, end the word with the Mirad word for cat '''fepet'''. : This chart shows the process for the first few cat breeds in the CFA list: {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Creating Cat Breed Names |- ! CFA Name !! First Letters<br>Lowercase !! Number<br>If Any + fepet!! Mirad Name |- | ''<u>Am</u>erican Shorthair'' || '''am''' || '''a + fepet'''|| '''amafepet''' |- | ''<u>Am</u>erican Wirehair'' || '''am''' || '''e + fepet'''|| '''amefepet''' |- | ''<u>Bal</u>inese'' || '''bal''' || '''bal + fepet''' || '''balfepet''' |- | ''<u>Ben</u>gal'' || '''ben''' || '''ben + fepet''' || '''benfepet''' |} === Color Nomenclature === : The word for ''color'' in Mirad is '''volz''', which is mnemonically related to the word for ''flower'' ('''vos'''). The diminutive of ''color'' is '''voylz''', meaning ''tint, shade, hue''. : The names of common color adjectives in Mirad are based on a scale relating to the natural spectrum, with the first part of the word being the a number representing the spectrum order and the last half being the color stub '''-lza'''. The zeroth-color is no color, simple ''blank'', ''clear'', or ''transparent''. :: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Basic Color Words |- ! 0 - clear !! 1 - red !!2 - orange !!3 - yellow !!4 - green !! 5 - blue !! 6 - purple !! 7 - indigo |- |<br><br><br> ||bgcolor="#d30000"| ||bgcolor="#fc6600"| ||bgcolor="#fff200"| ||bgcolor="#3bb143"| ||bgcolor="#0018f9"| || bgcolor="#b200ed"| || bgcolor="#4b0082"| |- | '''olza''' || '''alza''' || '''elza''' || '''ilza''' || '''ulza''' || '''yolza''' || '''yalza''' || '''yelza''' |} : There are some other common colors: :: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Other Basic Color Words |- |bgcolor="white"|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; || '''malza'''....''white'' ||(Associated with '''man''' (''light'') |- |bgcolor="#7c4700"| &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|| '''melza'''....''brown'' ||(Associated with '''mel''' (''soil'') |- |bgcolor="#222021"| &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;||'''molza'''....''black'' ||(Associated with '''mon''' (''dark'') |- |bgcolor="#828282"| &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;||'''maolza'''....''gray'' ||(A blend of '''malza''' and '''molza''') |- |bgcolor="#fc0fc0"|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;||'''aolza'''....''pink'' ||(A blend of '''olza'''....''clear'' and '''malza'''....''red'') |} : All other colors are formed by prefixing a word or mnemonic word stub (usually flowers or fruits) to the basic color with hyphenation. For example: ::* '''mecirufeb-ulza'''....''lime green'' from '''mecirufeb'''....''lime fruit'' + '''ulza'''....''green'' ::* '''mim-yalza'''....''aquamarine'' from '''mim'''....''sea'' + '''yalza'''....''blue'' ::* '''licirufeb-ilza'''....''lemon yellow'' from '''licirufeb'''....''lemon'' + '''ilza'''....''yellow'' ::* '''salpyit-alza'''....''salmon red'' ::* '''magmef-alza'''....''firebrick red'' ::* '''mim-yalza'''....''sea blue, aquamarine'' : Shaded variants of color terms can be achieved in the following manner: ::# A "light" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''ylza''': '''uylza'''....''light green'' ::# A "-ish" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''lzyena''': '''ulzyena'''....''greenish'' ::# A "bright" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''lzayna''': '''ulzayna'''....''bright green'' ::# A "dark" shade by changing '''lza''' to '''lzoyna''': '''ulzoyna'''....''dark green'' : Shaded variants can also be created by prefixing adjectival components such as these: :* '''oz-'''....''-ish, light-'' :* '''az-'''....''bright-, dark-'' :* '''kyu-'''....''light-'' :* '''maz-'''....''bright-'' :* '''eyn-'''....''semi-'' etc. : Some hybrid colors can be created by mixing the ordinal vowel: ::* '''maolza'''....''gray'' from '''malza'''....''white'' and '''molza'''....''black'' ::* '''yaulza'''....''blue-green, cyan'' from '''yalza'''....''blue'' and '''ulza'''....''green'' ::* '''maelza'''....''beige'' from '''malza'''....''white'' and '''melza'''....''brown'' : Colors can be made into nouns by dropping the adjectival suffix '''-a''': ::* '''<u>Ulz</u> se via volz.'''....''<u>Green</u> is a beautiful color.'' ::* '''At gafe <u>yalzayn</u>.'''....''I prefer <u>dark blue</u>.'' : Colors can also be used to form verbs: ::* '''Iyta teobi <u>alzasa</u>.'''....''Her cheeks <u>turned red (= blushed)</u>.'' ::* '''His se fia <u>teubip malzaxus</u>.'''....''This is a good <u>teeth whitener</u>.'' ::* '''Eta teupibi <u>ilzaseye</u>.'''....''Your teeth are <u>yellowing</u>.'' ==== Rarely Used Colors ==== : The more exotic or rare colors can be expressed by the RAL number / 10 in the [[w:List_of_RAL_colors|Wikipedia Chart of RAL Colors]] expressed in Mirad + '''-lz'''. For example, the color ''golden yellow'' has the RAL number 1004. Divided by 10 yields the number 104 ('''ase''', in Mirad), thus, the color is named '''aselz'''. The adjectival form of this color is '''aselza'''. One advantage of this system is that the colors are grouped by nine classic colors represented by the thousands unit, then subdivided by up to 999 shades of those classic colors, although in practice, the number of shades belonging to each classic color is under 40. For that reason, the thousands unit is reduced to a hundreds unit in the formation of Mirad color names. ===== Skin colors ===== [[File:Coloured-family.jpg|thumb|]] : When a color refers specifically to skin tone, the prefix '''tayo(b)-''' is used. The final '''-b''' of '''tayob''' is dropped before a consonant or glide. The word for ''skin-color'' itself is '''tayovolz'''. Thus: ::* '''(tayo-)molzat'''....''black(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayo-)malzat'''....''white(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayo-)melzat'''....''brown(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)omalzat'''....''non-white(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)omolzat'''....''non-black(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)omelzat'''....''non-brown(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)eymolzat'''....''half-black(skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayob)eymalzat'''....''half-white(-skinned) person'' ::* '''(tayo-)maolzat'''....''mulatto, mixed-skinned person'' ::* '''(tayob)olzat'''....''albino'' ::* '''hyetayovolza'''....''of any skin-tone'' ::* '''hyatayovolzati'''....''people of all colors'' ::* '''Iyt se duhotayovolza?'''....''What skin color is she?'' ==== Hair Colors ==== : Hair colors are produced by suffixing the color to the word for hair, '''tayeb'''. The final '''-b''' of '''tayeb''' is dropped before a consonant or '''y'''. The word for ''hair color'' is '''tayevolz'''. ::* '''tayebalza'''....''red-headed, auburn'' ::** '''tayebalzayt'''....''an auburn female'' ::* '''tayemolza'''....''brunette'' ::* '''tayemelza'''....''brown-haired'' ::* '''tayebiylza'''....''blond'' ::* '''tayemaolza'''....''gray, gray-haired'' :::* '''It gwa tayemaolzaso.'''....''He will go gray early.'' ::* '''Duhotayevolza iyt se?'''....''What color hair is she?'' ==== Eye Colors ==== : Eye colors are expressed by the prefix '''tea(b)''' followed by the color. The word for ''eye color'' is '''teavolz'''. In the following examples, '''teab''' (''eye'') becomes '''tea''' before any consonants or glides: ::* '''teayolza'''....''blue-eyed'' ::* '''teabulza'''....''green-eyed'' ::* '''teamelza'''....''brown-eyed'' :::* '''teamelzat'''....''brown-eyed person'' ::* '''teamolz'''....''a black eye'' ::* '''teamalz'''....''the white of the eye'' ::* '''Duhoteavolza et se?'''....''What color eyes do you have?'' === Chemical Nomenclature === [[File:14LaAc periodic table IIb.jpg|thumb|]] : The names of chemical elements are formed by converting the abbreviation for the element into Mirad lowercase alphabetic equivalents, then adding '''lk''', a suffix stub for chemicals. For example, the abbreviation for ''hydrogen'' is ''H''. So we replace that with the word for lowercase '''h''' in Mirad: '''he'''. By adding the stub suffix '''lk''', we get '''helk'''. : Use the names of the '''''small''''' letters of the alphabet as shown below. The letter name '''ca''' is pronounced '''cha''' as in English ''cha-cha''. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" valign=top; align=center |+ Lowercase Alphabet with Letter Names |- ! Lowercase !! a !! b !! c !! d !! !! e !! f !! g !! h !! !! i !! j !! k !! l !! m !! n !! !! o !! p !! q !! r !! s !! t !! !! u !! v !! w !! x !! y !! z |- align=center | !row=1| Mirad Name | '''a''' || '''ba''' || '''ca''' || '''da''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''e''' || '''fe''' || '''ge''' || '''he''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''i''' || '''ji''' || '''ki''' || '''li''' || '''mi''' || '''ni''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''o''' || '''po''' || '''ko''' || '''ro''' || '''so''' || '''to''' ||bgcolor=lightgray| || '''u''' || '''vu''' || '''wu''' || '''xu''' || '''yu''' || '''zu''' |} ==== Coding Chemical Elements ==== : The following chart shows some examples of how words for chemical elements are formed: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Coding Chemical Elements |- ! English Element Name !! Abbreviation !! Mirad Name |- | ''silver'' || ''Ar'' || '''arolk''' |- | ''iron'' || ''Fe'' || '''feelk''' |- | ''hydrogen'' || ''H'' || '''helk''' |- | ''nitrogen'' || ''N'' || '''nilk''' |- | ''mercury'' || ''Hg'' || '''hegelk''' |- | ''darmstadtium'' || ''Ds'' || '''dasolk''' |} : In chemical compounds, the '''lk''' is used only on the last element of the compound. : Chemical compounds such as ''H₂O (hydrogen dioxide)'' are coded in the following manner. ::# The ''H'' for ''hydrogen'' is rendered as '''he''' (without the '''-lk'''). ::# The number 2 refers to two hydrogen atoms, so the Mirad prefix for ''two, bi-'', '''en-''' is prefixed to the '''h''', giving '''enhe'''. ::# The word for ''oxygen'', '''ol''' is added, and, since it is the last element in the compound, the '''lk''' is suffixed. ::# The English word ends in ''-ide'', which is rendered in Mirad as '''-iyd''', giving '''enheolkiyd''' : Such chemical suffix equivalents are given below: : Given the chemical element ''sulfur'', which has the abbreviation ''S'', the Mirad equivalent for this solid is '''solk'''. Possible variants of this chemical, plus others, are: ==== Chemical Compound Suffixes ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Chemical Suffix Equivalents |- ! English Suffix !! Mirad Equivalent !! English Example !! Mirad Equivalent |- | ''-ide'' || '''-iyd''' || ''sulfide'' || '''solkiyd''' |- | ''-ite'' || '''-iyt''' || ''sulfite'' || '''solkiyt''' |- | ''-ate'' || '''-ayt''' || ''sulfate'' || '''solkayt''' |- | ''-ine'' || '''-iyn''' || ''iodine'' || '''ilkiyn''' |- | ''-ane'' || '''-ayn''' || ''methane'' || '''ahelkayn''' |- | ''-ene'' || '''-eyn''' || ''benzene'' || '''ehelkeyn''' |- | ''-one'' || '''-oyn''' || ''ketone'' || '''ketoyn''' |- | ''-ine'' || '''--iyn''' || ''alanine'' || '''alaniyn''' |- | ''-ic'' || '''-a''' || ''ferric'' || '''feelka''' |- | ''-ous'' || '''aya''' || ''ferrous'' || '''feelkaya''' |} : Note that the numeral prefixes in chemical formulae end in '''-n'''. : The numeral prefixes ''5'' and ''6'' end in '''-on''' instead of '''-n''' so as to distinguish them from the words '''yan'''....''together'' and '''yon'''....''apart''. : The chart below shows some of the numeric prefixes: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller" |+ Numeric Prefixes |- ! Number !! Prefix !! Example |- | '''a'''....''mono-'' || '''an''' || '''anolkiyd'''....''<u>mono</u>xide (O)'' |- | '''e'''....''bi-/di-'' || '''en''' || '''encalkayt'''....''<u>bi</u>carbonate (C₂)'' |- | '''i'''....''tri-'' || '''in''' || '''inolkiyd-'''....''trioxide (O₃)'' |- | '''u'''....''tetr(a)-'' || '''un''' || '''unolkiyd-'''....''tetroxide (O₄)'' |- | '''yo'''....''pent(a)-'' || '''yoon''' || '''yoonolkiyd-'''....''pentoxide (O₅)'' |- | '''ya'''....''hex(a)-'' || '''yaon''' || '''yaonolkiyd'''....''hexoxide (O₆)'' |- | '''ye'''....''hept(a)-'' || '''yen''' || '''yenolkiyd'''....''heptoxide (O₇)'' |- | '''yi'''....''oct(o)-'' || '''yin''' || '''yinolkiyd-'''....''octoxide (O₈)'' |- | '''yu'''....''non(a)-'' || '''yun''' || '''yunolkiyd-'''....''nonoxide (O₉)'' |- | '''alo'''....''dec(a)-'' || '''alon''' || '''alonolkayt-'''....''decoxidate (O₁₀)'' |} : Examples: ::* ''carbon <u>di</u>oxide (C₂O)''....'''calk <u>en</u>olkiyd''' ::* ''sodium <u>bi</u>carbonate (Na2C)''....'''nialk <u>en</u>calkayt''' ::* ''calcium <u>di</u>hydrogen phosphate''....'''caalk <u>en</u>helk polkayt''' ::* ''glucose (C₆H₁₂O₆)''....'''<u>yaon</u>ca<u>alan</u>he<u>yaon</u>olk''' (or: '''sakolos''') ::* ''methanol (C₃HOH)''....'''ca<u>in</u>heohelk''' : Note: the '''-lk''' is added only at the end of a compound and before the endings '''-iyd''', '''-iyt''', and '''-ayt''', etc. ==== Names of Atomic Parts ==== : The word for ''atom'' in Mirad is '''gwomulk''', which literally is ''least particle''. : The main particles in an atom are: ::* '''vamulk'''....''proton'' (positive) ::* '''vemulk'''....''neutron'' (neutral) ::* '''vomulk'''....''electron'' (negative) : Every atom contains '''mulki''' (''subatomic particles''). [[File:Standard Model of Elementary Particles.svg|thumb|392x392px|The [[Standard Model]] classification of particles]] : The principle elementary atomic particles (quarks, leptons, bosons) are named from the alphabetic spellings of the letter abbreviations in the Standard Abbreviations chart to the right, some of which are Greek letters, both upper and lower case. (See [[wikipedia:Subatomic_particle]] ). ::* '''hamulk'''....''hadron'' :::* '''mi-hamulk'''....''meson'' ::::* '''pimi-hamulk'''....''pion'' ::::* '''kami-hamulk'''....''kaon'' :::* '''ba-hamulk'''....''baryon'' ::::* '''lambda-ba-hamulk'''....''lambda baryon'' ::* '''vamulk'''....''proton'' ::* '''vemulk'''....''neutron'' ::* '''vomulk'''....''electron'' ::* '''zemulk'''....''nucleon'' ::* '''alfamulk'''....''alpha particle'' ::* '''fermimulk'''....''fermion'' ::* '''goryumulk'''....''nanoparticle'' ::* '''kyiazon mulk'''....''graviton'' ::* '''bamulk'''....''boson particle'' :::* '''agha-bamulk'''....''higgs particle'' :::* '''agwu-bamulk'''....''W boson'' :::* '''agzu-bamulk'''....''Z boson'' :::* '''gamma-bamulk'''....''photon'' :::* '''ge-bamulk'''....''gluon'' ::* '''qomulk'''....''quark'' :::* '''ba-qomulk'''....''bottom quark'' :::* '''ca-qomulk'''....''charm quark'' :::* '''da-qomulk'''....''down quark'' :::* '''ov-qomulk'''....''antiparticle, antiquark'' :::* '''penta-qomulk'''....''penta quark'' :::* '''tetra-qomulk'''....''tetra quark'' :::* '''to-qomulk'''....''top quark'' :::* '''u-qomulk'''....''up quark'' :::* '''so-qomulk'''....''strange quark'' ::* '''limulk'''....''lepton'' :::* '''gamma-limulk'''....''photon'' (also: '''manmulk''') :::* '''mu-limulk'''....''muon'' :::* '''pi-limulk'''....''pion'' :::* '''tau-limulk'''....''tau'' :::* '''vu-e-limulk'''....''electron neutrino'' :::* '''vu-mu-limulk'''....''muon neutrino'' :::* '''vu-tau-limulk'''....''tau neutrino'' :::* '''e-limulk'''....''electron'' (also: '''vomulk''') : The nucleus of an atom is called '''zemulk'''. Therefore, '''zemulka''' means ''nuclear''. === Musical Nomenclature === ==== Musical Instruments ==== : The musical instruments are encoded as follows, where all instruments contain the word for musical instrument ('''duzar''' < '''duz''' (''music'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument''). The system is based on a five-way classification system that relates to the way the instrument is played. [[File:Madras musical instruments and snake charmer's music.jpg|thumb|<small>Madras_musical_instruments_and_snake_charmer's_music</small>]] {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Musical Instruments |- ! Mirad !! English |- ! colspan=2 | Bowed-String |- | '''aduzar''' || ''violin'' |- | '''eduzar''' || ''violin alto'' |- | '''iduzar''' || ''cello'', ''violoncello'' |- | '''uduzar'''<br>'''eona uduzar''' || ''bass''<br>''double bass'' |- | '''yoduzar''' || ''viola'' |- | '''yaduzar''' || ''fiddle'' |- | '''yeduzar''' || ''viol'' |- |- '''yiduzar''' || ''erhu'' |- | '''yuduzar''' || ''hardanger fiddle'' |- | '''aloduzar''' || ''kemenche'' |- | '''aladuzar''' || ''nyckelharpa'' |- | '''aleduzar''' || ''rebab'' |- ! colspan=2 | Woodwind |- | '''faduzar''' || ''flute'' |- | '''feduzar''' || ''oboe'' |- | '''fiduzar''' || ''clarinet'' |- | '''fuduzar''' || ''bassoon'' |- | '''fyoduzar''' || ''French harp, harmonica'' |- | '''fyaduzar''' || ''recorder'' |- | '''fyeduzar''' || ''bagpipe'' |- | '''fyiduzar''' || ''didgeridoo'' |- | '''fyuduzar''' || ''piccolo'' |- | '''faloduzar''' || ''fife, hornpipe'' |- | '''faladuzar''' || ''ocarina, ocarine'' |- | '''faleduzar''' || ''sheng'' |- | '''faliduzar''' || ''duduk'' |- | '''faluduzar''' || ''bansuri'' |- | '''falyoduzar''' || ''suling'' |- ! colspan=2 | Brass &#x1f3b7; |- | '''voduzar''' || ''horn'' |- | '''vaduzar''' || ''trumpet'' |- | '''veduzar''' || ''trombone'' |- | '''vuduzar'''<br>-- '''avuduzar'''<br>-- '''evuduzar'''<br>--'''ivuduzar'''|| ''saxophone''<br>-- ''tenor saxophone''<br>-- ''alto saxophone''<br>-- ''bass saxophone'' |- | '''vyoduzar''' || ''tuba'' |- | '''vyaduzar''' || ''bugle'' |- | '''vyeduzar''' || ''French horn'' |- | '''vyiduzar''' || ''cornet'' |- | '''vyuduzar''' || ''baritone horn'' |- | '''valoduzar''' || ''alto horn'' |- | '''valaduzar''' || ''euphonium'' |- | '''valeduzar''' || ''flugelhorn'' |- | '''validuzar''' || ''sousaphone'' |- | '''valuduzar''' || ''clarion'' |- | '''valyoduzar''' || ''mellophone'' |- | '''valyaduzar''' || ''climbasso'' |- | '''valyeduzar''' || ''ophicleide'' |- ! colspan=2 | Percussion |- | '''kaduzar'''<br>-- '''akaduzar'''<br>-- '''ekaduzar'''<br>-- '''ikaduzar'''<br>-- '''ukaduzar'''<br>-- '''yokaduzar'''<br>-- '''yakaduzar'''<br>-- '''yekaduzar'''<br>-- '''yikaduzar'''<br>-- '''yukaduzar'''<br>-- '''alokaduzar'''<br>-- '''alakaduzar'''<br>-- '''alekaduzar'''<br>-- '''alikaduzar'''<br>-- '''alukaduzar''' || ''drum''<br>-- ''snare drum''<br>-- ''bass drum''<br>-- ''tenor drum''<br>-- ''steel drum''<br>-- ''bongo drum''<br>-- ''timbrel''<br>-- ''kettledrum''<br>-- ''hang drum''<br>-- ''tupan''<br>-- ''taiko''<br>-- ''spring drum''<br>-- ''octoban''<br>-- ''candombe drum''<br>-- ''steel tongue drum'' |- | '''keduzar''' || ''glockenspiel'' |- | '''kiduzar''' || ''vibraphone'' |- | '''kuduzar''' || ''marimba'' |- | '''kyoduzar''' || ''tubular bell'' |- | '''gaduzar''' || ''triangle'' |- | '''geduzar''' || ''gong'' |- | '''giduzar''' || ''castanet'' |- | '''guduzar''' || ''rattle'' |- | '''gyoduzar''' || ''xylophone'' |- | '''gyaduzar''' || ''maraca'' |- | '''gyeduzar''' || ''caj&oacute;n'' |- | '''gyiduzar''' || ''cymbal'' |- | '''gyuduzar''' || ''tambourine'' |- | '''galoduzar''' || ''steelpan'' |- | '''galaduzar''' || ''wind chime'' |- | '''galeduzar''' || ''chime bar'' |- | '''galiduzar''' || ''celeste'' |- | '''galuduzar''' || ''clapper'' |- | '''galyoduzar''' || ''Jew's harp'' |- | '''galyaduzar''' || ''bazooka'' |- | '''galyeduzar''' || ''waterphone'' |- | '''galyiduzar''' || ''balafon'' |- | '''galyuduzar''' || ''boomwhackers'' |- | '''geloduzar''' || ''udu'' |- | '''geladuzar''' || ''thunder sheet'' |- ! colspan=2 | Keyboard &#x1f3b9; |- | '''raduzar'''<br>-- '''utekea raduzar'''<br>-- '''agala raduzar'''<br>-- '''sem raduzar''' || ''piano''<br>-- ''player piano''<br>-- ''grand piano''<br>-- ''keyboard'' |- | '''reduzar''' || ''clavichord'' |- | '''riduzar''' || ''harpsichord'' |- | '''ruduzar'''<br>-- '''mufyeg ruduzar'''<br>-- '''maka ruduzar''' || ''organ''<br>-- ''pipe organ''<br>-- ''electric organ'' |- | '''ryoduzar''' || ''accordion'' |- | '''ryaduzar''' || ''dulcimer'' |- | '''ryeduzar''' || ''calliope'' |- | '''ryiduzar''' || ''melodica'' |- | '''ryuduzar''' || ''concertina'' |- ! colspan=2 | Guitar &#x1f3b8; |- | '''baduzar'''<br>-- '''seuxa baduzar'''<br>-- '''maka baduzar'''<br>-- '''yoba baduzar''' || ''guitar''<br>-- ''accoustic guitar''<br>-- ''electric guitar''<br>-- ''bass guitar'' |- | '''beduzar''' || ''banjo'' |- | '''biduzar''' || ''lute'' |- | '''buduzar''' || ''harp'' |- | '''byoduzar''' || ''mandolin'' |- | '''byaduzar''' || ''ukelele'' |- | '''byeduzar''' || ''zither'' |- | '''byiduzar''' || ''lyre'' |- | '''byuduzar''' || ''cithara, kithara'' |- | '''baloduzar''' || ''sitar'' |- | '''baladuzar''' || ''veena'' |- | '''baleduzar''' || ''koto'' |- | '''baliduzar''' || ''balalaika'' |- | '''baluduzar''' || ''charango'' |- | '''balyoduzar''' || ''hurdy-gurdy'' |} ==== Voice Ranges ==== {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Voice Ranges (Deuz nabyani) |- ! Mirad !! English !! Meaning |- ! colspan=3 | Women |- | '''yabdeuztoyb''' || ''soprano'' || "high-voice-female" |- | '''zeyabdeuztoyb''' || ''mezzo-soprano'' || "high-ish-voice-female" |- | '''yobdeuztoyb''' || ''alto, contralto'' || "low-voice-female" |- ! colspan=3 | Men |- | '''yabdeuztwob''' || ''tenor'' || "high-voice-male" |- | '''ze-yabdeuztwob''' || ''baritone'' || "middle-high-voice-male" |- | '''yobdeuztwob''' || ''bass''||"low-voice-male" |- | '''vyo-yabdeuztwob''' || ''falsetto'' || "false-high-voice-male" |- ! colspan=3 | Boys |- | '''yabdeuztwobet''' || ''treble'' || "high-voice-boy" |} : Suffix these nouns with '''-a''' to make them adjectives, eg.: ::* '''His se <u>yabdeuztwoba</u> duznod.'''....''This is a <u>tenor</u> note.'' ==== Solmization Syllables ==== : The syllables used in Mirad to spell out musical notes is like the system used in the English-speaking world: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Solmization Syllables |- | '''do''' || '''re''' || '''mi''' || '''fa''' || '''sol''' || '''la''' || '''ti''' || '''do''' |} ==== Musical Score Elements ==== [[File:Gigault-dernier-kyrie-mm9-12.png|thumb]] : The semitone or accidental symbols are: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Accidentals |- ! ENGLISH NAME !! SYMBOL !! MIRAD NAME !! ENGLISH EXAMPLE !! MIRAD EXAMPLE || MIRAD PRONUNCIATION |- | ''flat'' || <big>&#x1D12C;</big>|| '''yobwa''' (=''lowered'')|| ''B flat'' || '''B yobwa''' || '''ba YOBwa''' |- | ''sharp'' || <big>&#x1D130;</big> || '''yabwa''' (=''raised'')|| ''C sharp'' || '''C yabwa''' || '''ca YABwa''' |- | ''natural'' || <big>&#x1D12E;</big> || '''egxwa''' (=''normalized'')|| ''F natural'' || '''F egxwa''' || '''fe EGxwa''' |} : Some staff notation: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Staff Notation |- ! English Name !! Symbol !! Mirad Name |- | ''staff'' || <big>&#x1D119;</big> || '''nuidyan''' |- | ''treble clef, G clef'' || <big>&#x1D11E;</big> || '''G yijar''' |- | ''C clef'' || <big>&#x1D121;</big> || '''C yijar''' |- | ''base clef, F clef'' || <big>&#x1D122;</big> || '''F yijar''' |- | ''note'' || || '''nod''' |- | ''half note'' || <big>&#x1D15E;</big> || '''eyna nod''' |- | ''quarter note'' || <big>&#x1D15F;</big> || '''uyna nod''' |- | ''whole note'' || <big>&#x1D15D;</big> || '''ayna nod''' |- | ''quarter rest'' || <big>&#x1D13D; </big> || '''uyna poys''' |- | ''eighth note'' || <big>&#x1D160; </big> || '''yiyna nod''' |- | ''bar, measure'' || <big>&#x1D100;</big> || '''nodzyan''' |- | ''ligature'' || || '''yanxus''' |} ==== Characteristic Features of Music ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Characteristic Features of Music ! Mirad !! English |- |'''deup'''||'' beat'' |- |'''seupan'''||'' cadence'' |- |'''jes'''||'' duration'' |- |'''zoyteuz'''||'' echo'' |- |'''yanseuz'''||'' harmony'' |- |'''duzneg'''||''pitch'' |- |'''ijduzneg'''||'' key'' |- |'''druz'''||'' lyric'' |- |'''agala duzmus'''||'' major scale'' |- |'''duznag'''||'' measure'' |- |'''duznad'''||'' melody'' |- |'''duzjob''' ||''tempo'' |- |'''nak'''||'' meter'' |- |'''ogala duzmus'''||'' minor scale'' |- |'''duz'''||'' music'' |- |'''yinig'''||'' octave'' |- |'''byes'''||'' pulse'' |- |'''zoyseuzen'''||'' resonance'' |- |'''deupyan'''||'' rhythm'' |- |'''duzmus'''||'' scale'' |- |'''duzdreyn'''||'' score'' |- |'''seux'''||'' sound'' |- |'''duzigan'''||'' tempo'' |- |'''seuzvolz'''||'' timbre'' |- |'''seuz'''||'' tone'' |- |'''yanseuz'''||''chord, harmonic'' |- |'''aybseuz'''||''overtone'' |- |'''deuzunog'''||'' tune'' |- |'''deuz'''||'' voice'' |- |'''seuxnid'''||'' volume'' |} ==== Dynamics ==== : Notations having to do with musical dynamic accents are usually in Italian and are recognized the world over. For this reason, they are left ''as is'' in Mirad. : These include: <div style="background:lightyellow; font-style:italics"> : <i>a tempo, accelerando, accelerando, crescendo, decrescendo, diminuendo, fermata, forte, fortissimo, glissando, legato, lento, marcato, mezzo forte, mezzo piano, pianissimo, piano, poco a poco, portamento, rallentando, ritardanto, rubato, sforzando, staccatissimo, staccato, subito piano, tenuto, tremolo</i>, and others. </div> ==== Types of Arrangements ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Musical Arrangements ! English !! Mirad |- |''a capella song''||'''a kapella deuzun, deuzun boy duzari''' |- |''anthem''||'''fizdeuzun, tezdeuzun''' |- |''antiphon''||'''duiddeuzun''' |- |''aria''||'''arya, awat deuzun''' |- |''arrangement''||'''napbeyn''' |- |''art song''||'''tuz deuz''' |- |''ballad''||'''daz deuz, ifonkex deuzun''' |- |''battle hymn''||'''dropek deuzun''' |- |''bird song''||'''pat deuzun''' |- |''broadway song''||'''Broadway deuzun''' |- |''campfire song''||'''tamoftem deuzun''' |- |''cantata''||'''kantata''' |- |''canticle''||'''efyadeuzun''' |- |''carol''||'''ivdeuzun''' |- |''chant''||'''yagdeuzun''' |- |''choral arrangement''||'''deuzutyan napxeyn''' |- |''Christmas carol''||'''Kristtaj ivdeuzun''' |- |''classical song''||'''visauna deuzun''' |- |''composition''||'''duzdrun''' |- |''concerto''||'''koncerto''' |- |''country song''||'''odom deuzun, meimtyoda deuzun''' |- |''dance song''||'''daz deuzun''' |- |''dirge''||'''uvdeuzun''' |- |''ditty''||'''deuzog''' |- |''doggerel verse''||'''dizdeuzun''' |- |''drinking song''||'''tilien deuzun''' |- |''duet''||'''ewat (deuzun)''' |- |''folksong''||'''tyoyd deuzun''' |- |''glee''||'''Gebama deuzun''' |- |''gospel song''||'''fyadin deuzun''' |- |''hip hop song''||'''hip hop deuzun''' |- |''hit song''||'''agakus deuzun''' |- |''hymn''||'''fyadeuzun ''' |- |''instrumental''||'''duzarun''' |- |''jingle''||'''nundeuzunog''' |- |''karaoke song''||'''karaoke deuzun''' |- |''love song''||'''ifon deuzun''' |- |''lullaby''||'''tudet deuzun''' |- |''lute song''||'''riduzar deuzun''' |- |''madrigal''||'''duzuka deuzun''' |- |''marching song''||'''doptyopen deuzun''' |- |''medley''||'''ebmulxwa deuzyan''' |- |''metal song''||'''mug deuzun''' |- |''musical number''||'''duzun''' |- |''old standard''||'''ajdeuzun''' |- |''opera''||'''dyuz, dyuzun''' |- |''oratorio''||'''oratoryo''' |- |''paean''||'''akrun deuzun''' |- |''partsong''||'''gon deuzun''' |- |''patter song''||'''deuzig''' |- |''pop song''||'''tyoda deuzun''' |- |''psalm''||'''afyadeuzun''' |- |''rock song''||'''rok deuzun''' |- |''round''||'''zoydea deuzun''' |- |''sea shanty''||'''mim deuz''' |- |''show tune''||'''duez deuzun''' |- |''signature song''||'''ujak deuzun''' |- |''slow jam''||'''bluz deuzun''' |- |''soliloquy''||'''awat, awat deuzun''' |- |''solo''||'''awat (duzun), awat (deuzun)''' |- |''song''||'''deuzun''' |- |''spiritual, negro spiritual''||'''topa deuzun''' |- |''sporting song''||'''tapifek deuzun''' |- |''symphony''||'''viduzunyag''' |- |''theme song''||'''texzena deuz''' |- |''torch song''||'''ifonok uvdeuzun''' |- |''vaudeville song''||'''Vaudeville deuzun''' |- |''Wienerlied''||'''Viena deuzun''' |} ==== Musicians ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Musicians ! English !! Mirad |- |''musician''||'''duzut, duztoyb, duzuyt, duztwob''' |- |''instrumentalist''||'''duzarut''' |- |''violinist''||'''aduzarut''' |- |''conductor''||'''duzdeb''', '''duzutyaneb''' |- |''soloist''||'''anduzut''' |- |''singer, vocalist''||'''deuzut''' |- |''danseur''||'''dyaztwob''' |- |''ballerina''||'''dyazuyt, dyaztoyb''' |- |''dancer''||'''dazut, dazuyt''' |- |''opera singer''||'''dyuzut, dyuzuyt''' |- |''operatist, librettist''||'''dyuzdrut''' |- |''composer''||'''duzdrut''' |- |''lyricist, songwriter''||'''deuzdrut''' |- |''dance conductor''||'''dazeb''' |- |''(symphony) orchestra''||'''duzarutyan''' |- |''philharmonic orchestra''||'''duzarutyanag''' |- |''chorus, chorale'' ||'''deuzutyan''' |- |''dance troupe''||'''dazutyan''' |} ==== Song Parts ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Song Parts ! Mirad !! English |- |'''ujgon'''||''coda'' |- |'''ijgon'''||''intro'' |- |'''ebek'''||''interlude'' |- |'''ijek'''||''finale'' |- |'''gawijun'''||''reprise'' |- |'''gawdeuzun'''||''refrain'' |- |'''agalduznad'''||''theme'' |- |'''nadyan'''||''verse'' |- |'''zeymep'''||''bridge'' |- |'''gawdwas'''||''chorus'' |- |'''ujnadyan'''||''outro'' |} ==== Music Genres ==== : Some genres and styles of music: {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Genres of Music ! Mirad !! English |- |'''a kapella, boy duzari'''||''a capella'' |- |'''yugtaxea duz'''||''ambiant'' |- |'''Usoma tyoyduz'''||''American folk'' |- |'''Usoma egona duz'''||''American standard'' |- |'''yizejna'''||''avant garde'' |- |'''Baroka'''||''Baroque'' |- |'''yolza vab'''||''bluegrass'' |- |'''bluz'''||''blues'' |- |'''Bolliwud'''||''Bollywood'' |- |'''bossa nova'''||''bossa nova'' |- |'''kalipso'''||''calypso'' |- |'''Kelta yagdeuz'''||''Celtic chant'' |- |'''Canima tyoyduz'''||''Chinese folk'' |- |'''Canima ajutbyena dyuz'''||''Chinese traditional opera'' |- |'''jejoba deupyan ay bluz'''||''contemporary R&B'' |- |'''maima bluz'''||''country blues'' |- |'''maima duz'''||''country music'' |- |'''maima pop'''||''country pop'' |- |'''maima rap'''||''country rap'' |- |'''maima rok'''||''country rock'' |- |'''dazam pop'''||''dancehall pop'' |- |'''disko'''||''disco'' |- |'''du-wop'''||''doo-wop'' |- |'''maka dauz'''||''electronic dance music (EDM)'' |- |'''yugtaxea duz'''||''elevator music'' |- |'''Euma disko'''||''Euro-disco'' |- |'''jwayeka'''||''experimental'' |- |'''flamenko'''||''flamenco'' |- |'''funk'''||''funk'' |- |'''Gregoria yagdeuz'''||''Gregorian chant'' |- |'''hip-hop'''||''hip-hop'' |- |'''honki-tonk'''||''honky-tonk'' |- |'''hyusuna rok'''||''Indie rock'' |- |'''jaz'''||''jazz'' |- |'''makjaz'''||''jazztronica'' |- |'''juju'''||''juju'' |- |'''fyaxela duz'''||''liturgical music'' |- |'''majika'''||''majika'' |- |'''mamo'''||''mambo'' |- |'''merengwe'''||''merengue'' |- |'''mesitzo'''||''mesitzo'' |- |'''mug'''||''metal'' |- |'''Mixuma duz'''||''Mexican'' |- |'''seuz bi Naxvil'''||''Nashville sound'' |- |'''Ejna Orleans bluz'''||''New Orleans blues'' |- |'''dyuz'''||''opera'' |- |'''rancera'''||''ranchera'' |- |'''rap'''||''rap'' |- |'''rege'''||''reggae'' |- |'''deupyan ay blus, ro-ay-ba'''||''rhythm & blues'' |- |'''rok-ay-rol'''||''rock & roll'' |- |'''salsa'''||''salsa'' |- |'''samba'''||''samba'' |- |'''ska'''||''ska'' |- |'''galoduzaruta duz'''||''steel band music'' |- |'''swing'''||''swing'' |- |'''Tehano'''||''Tejano'' |- |'''eyntuj duz'''||''trance music'' |- |'''Zumera visauna'''||''Western classical'' |- |'''Zumeryena'''||''Western'' |- |'''zideko'''||''zydeco'' |} === Geographic Placenames === : As in English, Geograpic placenames are capitalized, including the languages and inhabitants. ==== Countries of the World ==== [[File:Flickr - …trialsanderrors - Johnson's new chart of national emblems, 1868.jpg|thumb|]] Below is a complete list of the current officially assigned ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 codes, with country names being English short country names officially used by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency (ISO 3166/MA). The Mirad equivalents are formed by replacing the letters of the ISO code with the lowercase Mirad alphabetic spells, except if the letter is followed by a vowel, in which case the ISO letter is kept as is, but lower-cased. The letter '''m''' is suffixed as a stub for "place" and then the word-initial letter is capitalized, eg.: : Example 1: : ''Burundi'' is translated as follows: ::* The ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 code is BDI. ::* ''BDI'' is lowercased to ''bdi'' ::* '''b''' is convered to the Mirad alphabetic spell '''ba'''. ::* Since ''d'' is followed by a vowel, it is left as is: '''d'''. ::* The vowel ''i'' is left as is: '''i''' ::* '''m''' is appended for ''place'': '''badim''' ::* The initial letter of the country name is capitalized: '''Badim''' ::* BDI (Burundi) = '''Badim'''. : Example 2: : ''Uzbekistan'' is translated as follows: ::* The ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 code is UZB. ::* ''UZB'' is lowercased to ''uzb'' ::* '''u''' is left as is: '''u'''. ::* '''z''' is converted to the Mirad alphabetic spell: '''zu''' ::* '''b''' is converted to the Mirad alphabetic spell: '''ba''' ::* '''m''' is appended for ''place'': '''uzubam''' ::* The initial letter of the country name is capitalized: '''Uzubam''' ::* UZB (Uzbekistan) = '''Uzubam'''. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="background: lightyellow; margn-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Country Names (click on arrows to sort a column) ! ISO !! English !! Mirad |- | ABW || ''Aruba''||'''Abawum''' |- | AFG || ''Afghanistan''||'''Afegem''' |- | AGO || ''Angola''||'''Agom''' |- | AIA || ''Anguilla''||'''Aiam''' |- | ALA || ''[[w:Åland|Åland Islands]]''||'''Alam''' |- | ALB || ''Albania''||'''Alibam''' |- | AND || ''Andorra''||'''Anidam''' |- | ANT || ''Netherlands Antilles''||'''Anitom''' |- | ARE || ''United Arab Emirates''||'''Arem''' |- | ARG || ''Argentina''||'''Arogem''' |- | ARM || ''Armenia''||'''Aromim''' |- | ASM || ''American Samoa''||'''Asomim''' |- | ATA || ''Antarctica''||'''Atam''' |- | ATF || ''French Southern Territories''||'''Atofem''' |- | ATG || ''Antigua and Barbuda''||'''Atogem''' |- | AUS || ''Australia''||'''Ausom''' |- | AUT || ''Austria''||'''Autom''' |- | AZE || ''Azerbaijan''||'''Azem''' |- | BDI || ''Burundi''||'''Badim''' |- | BEL || ''Belgium''||'''Belim''' |- | BEN || ''Benin''||'''Benim''' |- | BFA || ''Burkina Faso''||'''Bafam''' |- | BGD || ''Bangladesh''||'''Bagedam''' |- | BGR || ''Bulgaria''||'''Bagerom''' |- | BHR || ''Bahrain''||'''Baherom''' |- | BHS || ''[[w|The Bahamas|Bahamas]]''||'''Bahesom''' |- | BIH || ''Bosnia and Herzegovina''||'''Bihem''' |- | BLM || ''Saint Barthélemy''||'''Balimim''' |- | BLR || ''Belarus''||'''Balirom''' |- | BLZ || ''Belize''||'''Balizum''' |- | BMU || ''Bermuda''||'''Bamum''' |- | BOL || ''Bolivia''||'''Bolim''' |- | BRA || ''Brazil''||'''Baram''' |- | BRB || ''Barbados''||'''Barobam''' |- | BRN || ''[[w:Brunei|Brunei Darussalam]]''||'''Baronim''' |- | BTN || ''Bhutan''||'''Batonim''' |- | BVT || ''Bouvet Island''||'''Bavutom''' |- | BWA || ''Botswana''||'''Bawam''' |- | CAF || ''Central African Republic''||'''Cafem''' |- | CAN || ''Canada''||'''Canim''' |- | CCK || ''Cocos Islands''||'''Cacakim''' |- | CHE || ''Switzerland''||'''Cahem''' |- | CHL || ''Chile''||'''Cahelim''' |- | CHN || ''[[w:People's Republic of China|China]]''||'''Cahenim''' |- | CIV || ''Côte d'Ivoire''||'''Civum''' |- | CMR || ''Cameroon''||'''Camirom''' |- | COD || ''Democratic Republic of the Congo''||'''Codam''' |- | COG || ''Republic of the Congo''||'''Cogem''' |- | COK || ''Cook Islands''||'''Cokim''' |- | COL || ''Colombia''||'''Colim''' |- | COM || ''Comoros''||'''Comim''' |- | CPV || ''Cape Verde''||'''Capovum''' |- | CRI || ''Costa Rica''||'''Carim''' |- | CUB || ''Cuba''||'''Cubam''' |- | CXR || ''Christmas Island''||'''Caxurom''' |- | CYM || ''Cayman Islands''||'''Cayumim''' |- | CYP || ''Cyprus''||'''Cayupom''' |- | CZE || ''Czechia''||'''Cazem''' |- | DEU || ''Germany''||'''Deum''' |- | DJI || ''Djibouti''||'''Dajim''' |- | DMA || ''Dominica''||'''Damam''' |- | DNK || ''Denmark''||'''Danikim''' |- | DOM || ''Dominican Republic''||'''Domim''' |- | DZA || ''Algeria''||'''Dazam''' |- | ECU || ''Ecuador''||'''Ecum''' |- | EGY || ''Egypt''||'''Egeyum''' |- | ERI || ''Eritrea''||'''Erim''' |- | ESH || ''Western Sahara''||'''Esohem''' |- | ESP || ''Spain''||'''Esopom''' |- | EST || ''Estonia''||'''Esotom''' |- | ETH || ''Ethiopia''||'''Etohem''' |- | FIN || ''Finland''||'''Finim''' |- | FJI || ''Fiji''||'''Fejim''' |- | FLK || ''Falkland Islands (Malvinas)''||'''Felikim''' |- | FRA || ''France''||'''Feram''' |- | FRO || ''Faroe Islands''||'''Ferom''' |- | FSM || ''Federated States of Micronesia''||'''Fesomim''' |- | GAB || ''Gabon''||'''Gabam''' |- | GBR || ''United Kingdom''||'''Gebarom''' |- | GEO || ''Georgia''||'''Geom''' |- | GGY || ''Guernsey''||'''Gegeyum''' |- | GHA || ''Ghana''||'''Geham''' |- | GIB || ''Gibraltar''||'''Gibam''' |- | GLP || ''Guadeloupe''||'''Gelipom''' |- | GMB || ''Gambia''||'''Gemibam''' |- | GNB || ''Guinea-Bissau''||'''Genibam''' |- | GNQ || ''Equatorial Guinea''||'''Geniqom''' |- | GRC || ''Greece''||'''Gerocam''' |- | GRD || ''Grenada''||'''Gerodam''' |- | GRL || ''Greenland''||'''Gedolim''' |- | GTM || ''Guatemala''||'''Getomim''' |- | GUF || ''French Guiana''||'''Gufem''' |- | GUM || ''Guam''||'''Gumim''' |- | GUY || ''Guyana''||'''Guyum''' |- | HKG || ''Hong Kong''||'''Hekigem''' |- | HMD || ''Heard Island and McDonald Islands''||'''Hemidam''' |- | HND || ''Honduras''||'''Henidam''' |- | HRV || ''Croatia''||'''Herovum''' |- | HTI || ''Haiti''||'''Hetim''' |- | HUN || ''Hungary''||'''Hunim''' |- | IDN || ''Indonesia''||'''Idanim''' |- | IMN || ''Isle of Man''||'''Iminim''' |- | IND || ''India''||'''Inidam''' |- | IOT || ''British Indian Ocean Territory''||'''Iotom''' |- | IRL || ''Republic of Ireland''||'''Irolim''' |- | IRN || ''Iran''||'''Ironim''' |- | IRQ || ''Iraq''||'''Iroqom''' |- | ISL || ''Iceland''||'''Isolim''' |- | ISR || ''Israel''||'''Isorom''' |- | ITA || ''Italy''||'''Itam''' |- | JAM || ''Jamaica''||'''Jamim''' |- | JEY || ''Jersey''||'''Jeyum''' |- | JOR || ''Jordan''||'''Jorom''' |- | JPN || ''Japan''||'''Jiponim''' |- | KAZ || ''Kazakhstan''||'''Kazum''' |- | KEN || ''Kenya''||'''Kenim''' |- | KGZ || ''Kyrgyzstan''||'''Kigezum''' |- | KHM || ''Cambodia''||'''Kihemim''' |- | KIR || ''Kiribati''||'''Kirom''' |- | KNA || ''Saint Kitts and Nevis''||'''Kinam''' |- | KOR || ''[[w:South Korea|Korea, Republic of]]''||'''Korom''' |- | KWT || ''Kuwait''||'''Kiwutom''' |- | LAO || ''Laos''||'''Laom''' |- | LBN || ''Lebanon''||'''Libanim''' |- | LBR || ''Liberia''||'''Libarom''' |- | LBY || ''Libya''||'''Libayum''' |- | LCA || ''Saint Lucia''||'''Licam''' |- | LIE || ''Liechtenstein''||'''Liem''' |- | LKA || ''Sri Lanka''||'''Likam''' |- | LSO || ''Lesotho''||'''Lisom''' |- | LTU || ''Lithuania''||'''Litum''' |- | LUX || ''Luxembourg''||'''Luxum''' |- | LVA || ''Latvia''||'''Livam''' |- | MAC || ''[[W:Macau|Macao]]''||'''Macam''' |- | MAF || ''Saint Martin''||'''Mafem''' |- | MAR || ''Morocco''||'''Marom''' |- | MCO || ''Monaco''||'''Micom''' |- | MDA || ''Moldova''||'''Midam''' |- | MDG || ''Madagascar''||'''Midagem''' |- | MDV || ''Maldives''||'''Midavum''' |- | MEX || ''Mexico''||'''Mexum''' |- | MHL || ''Marshall Islands''||'''Mihelim''' |- | MKD || ''Republic of Macedonia''||'''Mikidam''' |- | MLI || ''Mali''||'''Milim''' |- | MLT || ''Malta''||'''Militom''' |- | MMR || ''Myanmar''||'''Mimirom''' |- | MNE || ''Montenegro''||'''Minem''' |- | MNG || ''Mongolia''||'''Minigem''' |- | MNP || ''Northern Mariana Islands''||'''Minipom''' |- | MOZ || ''Mozambique''||'''Mozum''' |- | MRT || ''Mauritania''||'''Mirotom''' |- | MSR || ''Montserrat''||'''Misorom''' |- | MTQ || ''Martinique''||'''Mitoqom''' |- | MUS || ''Mauritius''||'''Musom''' |- | MWI || ''Malawi''||'''Miwim''' |- | MYS || ''Malaysia''||'''Miyusom''' |- | MYT || ''Mayotte''||'''Miyutom''' |- | NAM || ''Namibia''||'''Namim''' |- | NCL || ''New Caledonia''||'''Nicalim''' |- | NER || ''Niger''||'''Nerom''' |- | NFK || ''Norfolk Island''||'''Nifekim''' |- | NGA || ''Nigeria''||'''Nigam''' |- | NIC || ''Nicaragua''||'''Nicam''' |- | NOR || ''Norway''||'''Norom''' |- | NIU || ''Niue''||'''Nium''' |- | NLD || ''Netherlands''||'''Nilidam''' |- | NPL || ''Nepal''||'''Nipolim''' |- | NRU || ''Nauru''||'''Nirum''' |- | NZL || ''New Zealand''||'''Nizulim''' |- | OMN || ''Oman''||'''Ominim''' |- | PAK || ''Pakistan''||'''Pakim''' |- | PAN || ''Panama''||'''Panim''' |- | PCN || ''Pitcairn Islands''||'''Pocanim''' |- | PER || ''Peru''||'''Perom''' |- | PHL || ''Philippines''||'''Pohelim''' |- | PLW || ''Palau''||'''Poliwum''' |- | PNG || ''Papua New Guinea''||'''Ponigem''' |- | POL || ''Poland''||'''Polim''' |- | PRI || ''Puerto Rico''||'''Porim''' |- | PRK || ''North Korea''||'''Porikim''' |- | PRT || ''Portugal''||'''Porotom''' |- | PRY || ''Paraguay''||'''Poroyum''' |- | PSE || ''Palestinian territories''||'''Posem''' |- | PYF || ''French Polynesia''||'''Poyufem''' |- | QAT || ''Qatar''||'''Qatom''' |- | REU || ''Réunion''||'''Reum''' |- | ROU || ''Romania''||'''Roum''' |- | RUS || ''Russia''||'''Rusom''' |- | RWA || ''Rwanda''||'''Rowam''' |- | SAU || ''Saudi Arabia''||'''Saum''' |- | SDN || ''Sudan''||'''Sodanim''' |- | SEN || ''Senegal''||'''Senim''' |- | SGP || ''Singapore''||'''Sogepom''' |- | SGS || ''South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands''||'''Sogesom''' |- | SHN || ''Saint Helena''||'''Sohenim''' |- | SJM || ''Svalbard and Jan Mayen''||'''Sojimim''' |- | SLB || ''Solomon Islands''||'''Solibam''' |- | SLE || ''Sierra Leone''||'''Solem''' |- | SLV || ''El Salvador''||'''Solivum''' |- | SMR || ''San Marino''||'''Somirom''' |- | SOM || ''Somalia''||'''Somim''' |- | SPM || ''Saint Pierre and Miquelon''||'''Sopomim''' |- | SRB || ''Serbia''||'''Sorobam''' |- | STP || ''São Tomé and Príncipe''||'''Sotopom''' |- | SUR || ''Suriname''||'''Surom''' |- | SVK || ''Slovakia''||'''Sovukim''' |- | SVN || ''Slovenia''||'''Sovunim''' |- | SWE || ''Sweden''||'''Sowem''' |- | SWZ || ''Swaziland''||'''Sowuzum''' |- | SYC || ''Seychelles''||'''Soyucam''' |- | SYR || ''Syria''||'''Soyurom''' |- | TCA || ''Turks and Caicos Islands''||'''Tocam''' |- | TCD || ''Chad''||'''Tocadam''' |- | TGO || ''Togo''||'''Togom''' |- | THA || ''Thailand''||'''Toham''' |- | TJK || ''Tajikistan''||'''Tojikim''' |- | TKL || ''Tokelau''||'''Tokilim''' |- | TKM || ''Turkmenistan''||'''Tokimim''' |- | TLS || ''East Timor''||'''Tolisom''' |- | TON || ''Tonga''||'''Tonim''' |- | TTO || ''Trinidad and Tobago''||'''Totom''' |- | TUN || ''Tunisia''||'''Tunim''' |- | TUR || ''Turkey''||'''Turim''' |- | TUV || ''Tuvalu''||'''Tuvum''' |- | TWN || ''Taiwan''||'''Towunim''' |- | TZA || ''Tanzania''||'''Tozam''' |- | UGA || ''Uganda''||'''Ugam''' |- | UKR || ''Ukraine''||'''Ukirom''' |- | UMI || ''United States Minor Outlying Islands''||'''Umim''' |- | URY || ''Uruguay''||'''Uroyum''' |- | USA || ''United States''||'''Usam''' |- | UZB || ''Uzbekistan''||'''Uzubam''' |- | VAT || ''Vatican City''||'''Vatom''' |- | VCT || ''Saint Vincent and the Grenadines''||'''Vucatom''' |- | VEN || ''Venezuela''||'''Venim''' |- | VGB || ''British Virgin Islands''||'''Vugebam''' |- | VIR || ''United States Virgin Islands''||'''Virom''' |- | VNM || ''Vietnam''||'''Vunimim''' |- | VUT || ''Vanuatu''||'''Vutom''' |- | WLF || ''Wallis and Futuna''||'''Wulifem''' |- | WSM || ''Samoa''||'''Wusomim''' |- | YEM || ''Yemen''||'''Yemim''' |- | ZAF || ''South Africa''||'''Zafem''' |- | ZMB || ''Zambia''||'''Zumibam''' |- | ZWE || ''Zimbabwe''||'''Zuwem''' |} : The adjective for these Mirad country names can be formed by suffixing the adjective marker '''a''', eg: ::* '''Feram'''....''France'' ==> '''Ferama'''....''French'' ::* '''Usam'''....''United States'' ==> '''Usama'''....''American'' ::* '''Deum'''....''Germany'' ==> '''Deuma'''....''German'' : The inhabitant of a country is formed by changing the final '''m''' of the placename to '''t''' (meaning person), eg: ::* '''Feram'''....''French'' ==> '''Ferat'''....''a French person, a Frenchman'' : The names of country inhabitants can be pluralized and genderized, as other animate nouns, eg: ::* '''Ferat'''....''a French person'' ==> '''ha Ferati'''....''the French'' ::* '''Etohet'''....''an Ethiopian'' ==> '''Etohwat'''....''an Ethiopian male'' ::* '''Finit'''....''a Finn'' ==> '''Finiyt'''....''a Finnish woman'' : Do not confuse the adjectival name of a country with the language: '''Ferama''' refers to the country of ''France'', not the language ''French''. ''French'' the language is '''Ferad.''' ==== Continents ==== [[File:Continental models.gif|thumb]] : The word for ''continent'' in Mirad is '''yanmel''' (= "together-soil"). The names of the continents in Mirad are formed from the word '''yanmel''' with vectorial prefixes. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margn-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Continent Names |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''Ayanmal''' || ''North America'' |- | '''Oyanmel''' || ''South America'' |- | '''Iyanmel''' || ''Asia'' |- | '''Uyanmel''' || ''Europe'' |- | '''Eyanmel''' || ''Africa'' |- | '''Yoyanmel''' || ''Oceania'' |} : The adjective counterparts of these placenames are derived by suffixing '''-a''': :* '''Iyanmela'''....''Asian'' :* '''Uyanmela'''....''European'' : By appending '''-t(i)''' to the adjectival names, we get the inhabitants: :* '''Eyanmelat'''....''an African'' :* '''Ayanmelati'''....''North Americans'' : Note: <div style="background: lightyellow"> :* The ''Americas'' is expressed in Mirad with the hybrid word '''Aoyanmel''' (a combination of North and South America). :* ''Central America'' is expressed in Mirad by '''Zea Aoyanmel''' (''Central America'') :* The word '''Usam''' means ''United States of America'' or ''USA''. The word ''America'' by itself is not used in Mirad; only ''North America'' or ''South America''. :* The word '''Usamati''' is used for ''Americans'' when referring to inhabitants of the U.S. :* The word '''Ayanmelati''' is used to refer to North Americans (U.S. and Canada). :* The word '''Eyanmel-Usamat''', or more briefly, '''Eusamat''' is used for ''African American''. :* ''Latin America'' is expressed as '''Liada Oyanmel'''. :* ''A Latino, Latina, or Latinx'' in the U.S. is called '''Liadwut, Liaduyt, or Liadut'''. :* In some geographic systems, '''Ausom'''....''Australia'' is considered a continent. </div> : The word for ''island'' is '''yonmel''' (= ''separate land''). An islander is '''yonmelat'''. ==== Oceans ==== : The Mirad word for ocean is '''mimag'''. The ocean names are formed by prefixing a vectorial ordinal to the word '''mimag''': {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margn-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Ocean Names |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''Amimag''' || ''Arctic Ocean'' |- | '''Omimag''' || ''Southern Ocean'' |- | '''Imimag''' || ''Pacific Ocean'' |- | '''Umimag''' || ''Atlantic Ocean'' |- | '''Emimag''' || ''Indian Ocean'' |} ==== Compass Directions and Poles ==== : The compass directions ('''merizoni''') and poles ('''mernodi''') are as follows: ::* '''zamer'''....''north'' / '''zamera'''....''northern'' / '''zamernod'''....''north pole'' ::* '''zomer'''....''south'' / '''zomera'''....''southern'' / '''zomernod'''....''south pole'' ::* '''zimer'''....''east'' / '''zimera'''....''eastern'' ::* '''zumer'''....''west'' / '''zumera'''....''western'' : The words '''Yibzamer'''....''Arctic'' and '''Yibzomer'''...''Antarctic(a)'' both use the prefix '''yib'''....''far''. : Prefixing the directions with '''iz-'''....''due-'' yields: ::* '''iz zamer'''....''due north'' ::* '''iz zomer'''....''due south'', etc. : Directional words can be hybridized, eg: ::* '''zaomera'''....''north-south'' ::* '''zuimera'''....''east-west'' ::* '''zaumera'''....''north-west'' ::* '''zaimera'''....''north-east'' ==== Earth Grid Lines ==== : The earth grid lines ('''mernadi''') are as follows: ::* '''zamernad'''....''Arctic Circle'' ::* '''zomernad'''....''Antarctic Circle'' ::* '''zaomernad'''....''longitude'' ::* '''zuimernad'''....''latitude'' ::* '''zemernad'''....''equator'' :::* '''abzemernad'''....''Tropic of Capricorn'' :::* '''obzemernad'''....''tropic, Tropic of Cancer'' ::::* '''yizobzemernad'''....''subtropic'' ::* '''eymernad'''....''meridian'' ::* '''mamnad'''....''horizon'' ::* '''aonada'''....''vertical'' ::* '''uinada'''....''horizontal'' ::* '''zyenada'''....''perpendicular'' ==== Languages of the World ==== [[File:Wiktionary-logo.svg|thumb|]] : Mirad names of languages are based on either: ::* the name of the country most associated with the language (English < England, French < France), or: ::* the ISO 639-2 alpha-3 three-letter code. (See [[https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php|Library of Congress ISO639-2 Codes]]. : If formed from the country name, the language name is acquired by replacing the final '''m''' or the country name with '''d'''. For example, '''Enigem''' (''England''), becomes '''Eniged''' (''English''). See [[Mirad_Grammar#Countries of the World|Countries of the World]]. : If formed from the ISO 639-2 code, because their is no particular country associated with the language, the letters of the code are replaced with the Mirad lowercase alphabetic spells. The initial letter is capitalized and '''d''' is suffixed to the word. A Mirad alphabetic spell in the shape of consonant+vowel loses its vowel before a spell consisting of just a vowel. For example, '''ba''' + '''e''' becomes '''be'''. :{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Mirad Language Names |- ! ISO Language Name !! Country or ISO Code !! Mirad Language Name |- | Abkhazian || abk || '''Abakid''' |- | Afar || aar || '''Aarod''' |- | Afrikaans || '''Zafem'''....''South Africa'' || '''Zafed''' |- | Akan || aka || '''Akad''' (< a + ki + a +d, where ki + a = ka) |- | Albanian || '''Alibam'''....''Albania'' || '''Alibad''' |- | Amharic || amh || '''Amihed''' |- | Arabic || ara || '''Arad''' |- | Aragonese || arg || '''Aroged''' |- | Armenian || '''Aromim''' || '''Heyud''' |- | Assamese || asm || '''Asomid''' |- | Avaric || ava || '''Avad''' |- | Avestan || ave || '''Aved''' |- | Aymara || aym || '''Ayumid''' |- | Azerbaijani || '''Azem'''....''Azerbaijan'' || '''Azed''' |- | Bambara || bam || '''Bamid''' |- | Bashkir || bak || '''Bakirod''' |- | Basque || baq || '''Baqod''' |- | Belarusian || '''Balirom'''....''Belarusia'' || '''Balirod''' |- | Bengali || '''Bagedim'''....''Bangladesh'' || '''Bagedid''' |- | Bislama || bis || '''Bisod''' |- | Bosnian || '''Bihem'''....''Bosnia'' || '''Bihed''' |- | Breton || bre || '''Bared''' |- | Bulgarian || '''Bagerom'''....''Bulgaria'' || '''Bagerod''' |- | Burmese || '''Mimirom'''....''Miyanmar'' || '''Mimirod''' |} ...and so on... : The language names can be adjectivized by suffixing '''-a''', eg: ::* '''Eniged'''....''(the) English (language)'' ==> '''Enigeda'''....''(in the) English (language)'' ::* '''Hia Enigeda dreun se testiyofwa.'''....''This English language document is incomprehensible.'' : The language names can be verbalized with the addition of '''-der'''....''to say'', '''-daler'''....''to speak'', and '''-xer'''....''to translate into'', eg: ::* '''Ferad'''....''French'' ==> '''Ferader'''....''to say in French'' ::* '''Esopod'''....''Spanish'' ==> '''Esopodaler'''....''to speak Spanish'' ::* '''Arad'''....''Arabic'' ==> '''Aradxer'''....''to Arabicize/translate into Arabic'' ::* '''Ferad bayse gla Enigedxwasi.'''....''French has many Anglicizations.'' : The speaker of a language is created by adding '''-ut''' or '''-alut''', eg: ::* '''Eniged'''....''English'' ==> '''Enigedut (or) Enigedalut'''....''English speaker'' ::* '''Duven et Enigedale?'''....''Do you speak English?'' ::* '''Aradu hia dun.'''....''Say this word in Arabic.'' ::* '''At se Itadut/Itadalut.'''....''I am a speaker of Italian.'' : Specialized forms, dialects, levels, and regional variants of languages are expressed as follows: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Language Variants |- ! Variation Category !! Example |- | '''Ajna'''....''Old/Ancient'' || '''Ajna Eniged'''....''Old English, Anglo-Saxon'' |- | '''Ejoba'''....''Modern'' || '''Ejoba Perod'''....''Modern Persian, Farsi'' |- | '''Visauna'''....''Classical'' || '''Visauna Gerocad'''....''Classical Greek'' |- | '''Vyirina'''....''Puristic'' || '''Vyirina Gerocad'''....''Katharevousa (Puristic Greek)'' |- | '''Tyoda'''....''Vulgar/Popular/Demotic'' || '''Tyoda Latod'''....''Vulgar Latin''<br>'''Tyoda Gerocad'''....''Demotic Greek'' |- | '''Fyaxela'''....''Liturgical'' || '''Fyaxela Hebad'''....''Liturgical Hebrew'' |- | '''Fyadyesa'''....''Biblical'' || '''Fyadyesa Hebad'''....''Biblical Hebrew'' |- | '''Egona'''....''Standard'' || '''Ejoba Egona Arad'''....''Modern Standard Arabic'' |- | '''Egema'''....''Egyptian'' || '''Egema Arad'''....''Egyptian Arabic'' |- | '''Usoma'''....''American'' || '''Usoma Eniged'''....''American English'' |} : There are some languages with no ISO code that have to be formed in another way, in particular, Mirad itself. ::* '''Mirad'''....''Mirad'' ('''Mir'''....''world'') ::* '''Meurad'''....''Martian'' ('''Meur'''...''Mars'') ::* ''Celtic'', which is the name of a family of languages, is represented by the ISO code "cel" and is therefore called '''Celid''' in Mirad. ::* ''Indo-European'', with the code "ine", translates to '''Inied''' in Mirad. ==== Cities and Their Residents ==== : Here are some key cities, their adjectival forms, and inhabitants. The adjective can end in '''-a''' or '''-yena'''. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Cities and Their Residents |- ! City !! Adjective !! Inhabitant |- | '''Paris'''....''Paris'' || '''Paris<u>yena</u>'''....''Parisian'' || '''Paris<u>at</u>'''....''Parisian'' |- | '''Ejna York'''....''New York'' || '''Ejna York<u>a</u>'''....''of New York'' || '''Ejna York<u>at</u>'''....''New Yorker'' |- | '''Rom'''....''Rome'' || '''Rom<u>a</u>'''....''Roman'' || '''Rom<u>at</u>'''....''Roman'' |- | '''Beijing'''....''Beijing'' || '''Beijing<u>a</u>'''....''of Beijing'' || '''Beijing<u>at</u>'''....''resident of Beijing'' |- | '''Berlin'''....''Berlin'' || '''Berlin<u>a</u>'''....''from Berlin'' || '''Berlin<u>at</u>'''....''Berliner'' |} : Examples: :* '''Berlina diti dyunwe Berlinati.'''....''Berlin citizens are called Berliners.'' :* '''Bostonati bayse Bostonyena deus.'''....''Bostonians have a Bostonian accent.'' === Playing Cards Notation === : The playing card suits and prime denominations are: ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ Playing Card Suits |- ! Mirad !! English !! Image |- | '''tiib''' || ''heart''|| <big>{{cards|h}}</big> |- | '''melukar''' || ''spade''|| <big>{{cards|s}}</big> |- | '''amez''' || ''diamond''|| <big>{{cards|d}}</big> |- | '''infayeb''' || ''club''|| <big>{{cards|c}}</big> |} ::{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller" |+ High Cards plus the Joker |- ! Mirad !! English !! Image |- | '''Az bi tiibi''' || ''ace of hearts''||[[File:Simple_h_a.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''Edweb bi melukari'''||''king of spades''||[[File:Simple_s_k.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''Edeyb bi amezi'''||''queen of diamonds''||[[File:Simple_d_q.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''Yuxtwobet bi infayebi''' || ''jack of clubs''||[[File:Simple_c_j.svg|40px|thumb]] |- | '''hihiduut''' || ''joker''|| [[File:Simple_jk_b.svg|40px|thumb]] |} : Some useful terms: ::* '''eker drafi'''....''to play cards'' ::* '''zyabuer ha drafi'''....''to deal the card'' ::* '''ebnapxer ha drafi'''....''to shuffle the cards'' ::* '''goler ha nyan'''....''to cut the deck'' ::* '''ujber'''....''to fold'' ::* '''durer'''....''to bid'' ::* '''lokoxer draf'''....''to turn over a card'' ::* '''lokoxer ota tuyab'''....''to show one's hand'' ::* '''abnabxer'''....''to trump'' ::* '''ekdrafnyan'''....''deck of cards'' ::* '''nab'''....''suit'' ::* '''joper nab'''...''to follow suit'' ::* '''kyesdraf'''....''wild card'' ::* '''abnaba draf'''....''trump card'' ::* '''ha yannas'''....''the pot'' ::* '''ha nax'''....''the ante'' ::* '''yaber ha nax'''....''to up/raise the ante'' === Chess Piece Nomenclature === {{chess diagram | tright | |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= 7 |pd|pd|pd|pd| |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | | | | | |= 5 | | | | |pd| | | |= 4 | | | | |pl|pl| | |= 3 | | | | | | | | |= 2 |pl|pl|pl|pl| | |pl|pl|= 1 |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl|bl|nl|rl|= a b c d e f g h | The King's Gambit }} : The game of chess is called '''xahifek''' in Mirad. : The chess pieces ('''xahifek goyni''') are as follows: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Chess Piece Names |- ! Mirad !! English !! Image |- | '''edweb''' || ''king'' || [[File:Chess_klt45.svg|thumb|30px]] |- | '''edeyb''' || ''queen'' || [[File:Chess_qlt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''efyaxeb''' || ''bishop'' || [[File:Chess_blt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''ekpetob''' || ''knight'' || [[File:Chess_nlt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''tamaz''' || ''rook'' || [[File:Chess_rlt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |- | '''melyexut''' || ''pawn'' || [[File:Chess_plt45.svg|30px|thumb]] |} : Some chess terms: ::* ''to checkmate''....'''xahpexer''' ::* ''Check!''....''Xah!'' ::* ''Checkmate!''....'''xahpexwa!''' ::* ''chess board''....'''xahifek seym, xahifek drof''' ::* ''to move a piece''....'''paxer goun''' ::* ''to capture a piece''....'''pixler goun''' ::* ''chess clock''....'''xahifek jwobar''' ::* ''chess set''....''xahifek gounyan'' ::* ''chess tournament''....'''xahifekanyan''' ::* ''chess player''....'''xehifekut''' ::* ''my turn''....'''ata zyuj''' ::* ''score''....'''aoksag''' ::* ''world champion''....'''miraklut''' === Botanical Nomenclature === : The plant world is a mighty big place and the names of all those flowers, fruits, vegetables, plants, etc. are very difficult to put into a rational naming scheme any better that the existing one using Latin appelations classified into phyla, classes, orders, families, genera, and species. This botanical world in Mirad, much like the system for coding the zoological world, is coded by a system of syllables that relate to the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Linnaean_taxonomy|international Linnaean taxonomy]. ==== Base Names ==== : So, in Mirad, botanical organism names have at their base the following words: ::* '''fab'''....trees :::* '''feb'''....''fruits and nuts'' ::* '''fayb'''....''vines and shrubs'' :::* '''feyb'''....''berries'' ::* '''vob'''....''crops'' ::* '''vol'''....''vegetables'' ::* '''veel'''....''legumes and beans'' ::* '''vos'''....''flowers'' ==== Specific Names ==== : To create more specific names, syllables derived from the Greco-Latin Linnaean Taxonomy, spelled to conform to Mirad pronuncation, are prefixed left-to-right onto one of the above base categories, with the left-most syllable representing the most specific taxon. So, for example, ''pine'' tree is rendered as '''pifab'''. The '''pi''' prefix is the first syllable of the family of pine trees ''<u>Pi</u>naceae''. The '''fab''' ending applies to all trees. To specify other trees in this family, other syllables are prepended, eg. ''cedar tree'' is '''<u>ce</u>pifab''' from ''Pianaceae <u>Ce</u>drus''. A ''cedar of Lebanon'' is '''<u>li</u>cepifab''' from the more specific ''Pinaceae Cedrus <u>li</u>bani''. : By constructing botanical terms this way, all pine trees can be listed by searching for all names ending in '''pifab'''. [[File:171 Magnolien.JPG|thumb|]] {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ '''Basic Botanical Terms''' |- |valign=top|'''fob'''....''plant''||valign=top|'''vob'''....''crop''||valign=top|'''vol'''....''vegetable''||valign=top|'''vos'''....''flower'' |- |valign=top|'''fab'''....''tree''<br>'''fayeb'''....''leaf''<br>'''faob'''....''wood''<br>'''fayob'''....''bark''||valign=top|'''vab'''....''grass''<br>'''vayob'''....''peel''|| ||'''vosayeb'''....''petal''<br>'''vosayob'''....''sepal'' |- |valign=top|'''feb'''....''fruit/nut''||valign=top|'''veb'''....''ear/tuft''<br>'''veeb'''....''seed''<br>'''veeyb'''....''grain''||valign=top|'''veel'''....''legume''||'''voseb'''....''capitulum'' |- |valign=top|'''fib'''....''trunk''||valign=top|'''vib'''....''stem'' || || '''vosib'''....''receptacle'' |- |valign=top|'''fub'''....''branch''||valign=top|'''vub'''....''blade''<br>'''vulob'''....''thorn'' || || |- |valign=top|'''fyob'''....''root''||valign=top|'''vyob'''....''tuber'' || || '''vosyob'''....''peduncle'' |} ===== Product Names ===== : Products derived from plants are formed with the following words: ::* '''-feil'''....''juice (from a pome)'' :::* '''licirufeil'''....''lemon juice'' < '''licirufeb'''....''lemon'' ::* '''-feel'''....''-ade'' :::* '''licirufeel'''....''lemonade'' < '''licirufeb'''....''lemon'' ::* '''-feyl'''....''juice (from a berry or bean)'' :::* '''kofeyl'''....''coffee'' < '''kofeyb'''....''coffee bean'' ::* '''-fayel'''....''leaf juice'' :::* '''tefayel'''....''tea'' < '''tefayeb'''....''tea leaf'' ::* '''-fil'''....''alcoholic drink/cider'' :::* '''zepofil'''....''bourbon whiskey'' < '''zepovob'''....''corn'' ::* '''-fyel'''....''oil/jam/syrup'' :::* '''frarofyel'''....''strawberry jam'' < '''frarofeyb'''....''strawberry'' ::* '''-fyeyl'''....''jelly'' :::* '''frarofyeyl'''....''strawberry jelly'' ::* '''-ol'''....''grounds/powder'' :::* '''sakol'''....''sugar'' < '''sakvob'''....''sugar cane'' : Individual derivations of these base words are formed exactly as the names of animals in the section [[Mirad_Grammar#Zoological_Nomenclature|Zoological Nomenclature]]. For example, an ''apple'' is from the <u>Ro</u>saceae family of trees, the genus being ''<u>Ma</u>lus''. So the word for ''apple'' becomes '''marofeb'''. ''Apple tree'' is '''marofab''' and ''apple juice'' is '''marofeil'''. Thus, ''apple cider'' is '''marofil'''. ===== Crops ===== : Crops are grassy plants that humans cultivate for clothing, food, medicine, or other social needs. Individual crop names are formed by prefixing the base '''vob''' with taxonomic syllables. [[File:Usdaemmer1.jpg|thumb|]] : The base words of this group are: ::* '''-vob'''....''crop'' ::* '''-vab'''....''grass'' ::* '''-vayeb'''....''leaf'' ::* '''-veb'''....''ear, cob, head, spike, tuft'' ::* '''-veeb'''....''seed, germ'' ::* '''-veel'''....''bean, legume'' ::* '''-veeyb'''....''grain, kernel, pip'' ::* '''-vib'''....''stem'' ::* '''-vub'''....''blade, sprig, twig'' ::* '''-vyob'''....''tuber'' ::* '''-vel'''....''edible product'' ::* '''-vil'''....''drinkable product, beer'' ::* '''-vyel'''....''syrup'' ::* '''-vol'''....''vegetable'' : From the above base words are derived these products, among others: ::* '''sakol'''....''sugar'' < '''sakvob'''....''sugarcane'' ::* '''povel'''....''bread'' < '''povob'''....''cereal'' ::* '''zepovyel'''....''corn syrup, corn oil'' < '''zepovob'''....''corn'' ::* '''zepovil'''....''whiskey, bourbon'' ::* '''sepovil'''....''rye whiskey'' < '''zepovob'''....''rye'' ::* '''povil'''....''beer'' ::* '''epovil'''....''ale'' ::* '''avpovob mekil'''....''oatmeal'' < '''avpovob'''....''oat'' ::* '''orpovob zyiglal'''....''rice cake'' < '''orpovob'''....''rice'' ::* '''mekuvol'''....''melon'' ===== Vegetables and Legumes ===== : Vegetables are crops grown by human for food. Individual vegetable names are formed by prefixing the base '''vol''' (''vegetable'') or '''veel''' (''legume, bean'') with classifier syllables derived from the international Linnean Taxonomy. Vegetables can consist of bulbs, flowers, fruits, fungi, leaves, roots, seeds, legumes, beans, or stalks. [[File:Hrushikesh kulkarni vegetables.JPG|thumb|]] {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Vegetables |- ! Edible Crop !! Taxonomy |- ! colspan=2| LEGUMES: EDIBLE SEEDS |- |'''faveel'''....''bean'' || ''Fabaceae Phaseolus vulgaris'' |- |'''lensfaveel'''....''lentil'' || ''Fabaceae Lens culinaris'' |- |'''glifaveel'''....''soybeen'' || ''Fabaceae Glycine max'' |- |'''vigfaveel'''....''black-eyed pea'' || ''Fabaceae Faseolus vigna unguiculata'' |- ! colspan=2 | Vegetables: Berries/Fruits |- |'''lisovol'''....''tomato'' || ''Solanaceae Solanum lycopersicum'' |- |'''mesovol'''....''eggplant'' || ''Solanaceae Solanum melongena'' |- |'''perlawvol'''....''avocado'' || ''Lauraceae Persea americana'' |- |'''sakuvol'''....''cucumber'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucumis sativus'' |- |'''cinasvol'''....''artichoke'' || ''Asteraceae Cynara cardunculus'' |- |'''akapsovol'''....''chili pepper'' || ''Solanaceae Capsicum annuum'' |- |'''abmalvol'''....''okra'' || ''Malvaceae Abelmoschus esculentus'' |- ! colspan=2 |bulbs |- |'''amalvol'''....''leek'' || ''Allium ampeloprasum'' |- |'''cepalvol'''....''onion'' || ''Allium cepa'' |- |'''alkalvol'''....''shallot'' || ''Alium ascalonicum'' |- |'''satalvol'''....''garlic'' || ''Allium sativum'' |- |'''zinvol'''....''ginger'' || ''Zingiberaceae Zingiber officinale'' |- |'''skoynalvol'''....''chive'' || ''Allium Schoenoprasum'' |- |'''foynapvol'''....''fennel'' || ''Apiaceae Phoenix dactylifera'' |- ! colspan=2 | melons/gourds |- |'''kuvol'''....''squash, gourd''|| ''Cucurbitaceae Cucurbita'' |- |'''makuvol'''....''pumpkin'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucurbita maxima'' |- |'''mekuvol'''....''melon, honeydew, cantaloupe'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucumis melon'' |- |'''cikuvol'''....''watermelon'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Citrullus lanatus'' |- |'''pekuvol'''....''zucchini'' || ''Cucurbitaceae Cucurbita pepo'' |- ! colspan=2 | Tubers/Root Vegetables |- |'''tusovol'''....''potato'' || ''Solanaceae Solanum tuberosum'' |- |'''betamvol'''....''beet, beetroot'' || ''Amaranthaceae Beta vulgaris'' |- |'''rafbravol'''....''radish''|| ''Brassicaceae Raphanus raphanistrum sativus'' |- |'''kadawapvol'''....''carrot''||''Apiaceae Daucus carota'' |- |'''nabravol'''....''turnip''|| ''Brassica napus'' |- |'''cinasvol'''....''artichoke'' || ''Asteraceae Cynara cardunculus'' |- |'''pasavol'''....''parsnip'' ||''Apiaceae Pastinaca sativa'' |- |'''eskolaravol'''....''taro'' ||''Araceae Colocasia esculenta'' |- |'''divol'''....''yam'' ||''Dioscoreaceae Dioscorea'' |- ! colspan=2| Leafy/Flowering Vegetables |- |'''bravol'''....''cabbage'' || ''Brassicaceae'' |- |'''botrolbravol'''....''cauliflower''||''Brassica oleracea botrytis'' |- |'''gemolbravol'''....''Brussels sprouts''|| ''Brassica oleracea gemmifera'' |- |'''valkavol'''....''corn salad, lamb's lettuce''|| ''Caprifocilaceae Valerianella locusta'' |- |'''lakasvol'''....''lettuce''|| ''Asteraceae Lactuta sative'' |- |'''spinamvol'''....''spinach'' || ''Amaranthaceae Spinancia oleracea'' |- |'''rupolivol'''....''sorrel''|| ''Polygonaceae Rumex acetosa'' |- |'''tarasvol'''....''mustard greens''|| ''Asteraceae Taraxacum officinale'' |- |'''itolbravol'''....''broccoli''|| ''Brassica Oleracea italica'' |- |'''abmalvol'''....''okra''|| ''Malvaceae Abelmoschus esculentus'' |- |'''petapvol'''....''parsley''|| ''Apiaceae Petroselinum crispum'' |- |'''basoclamvol'''....''basil''|| ''Lamiaceae Ocimum basilicum'' |- |'''orlamvol'''....''thyme''|| ''Lamiaceae Origanum vulgare'' |- |'''encivol'''....''chicory, endive''|| ''Cichorium endivia'' |- |'''nasbravol'''....''watercress''|| ''Brassicaceae Nasturtium officinale'' |- |'''korapvol'''....''coriander''|| ''Apiaceae Coridandrum sativum'' |- ! colspan=2 | Stalks |- |'''aspavol'''....''asparagus''|| ''Asparagaceae Asparagus officinalis'' |- |'''gravapvol'''....''celery''|| ''Apiaceae Apium graveolens'' |- |'''rewmpolivol'''....''rhubarb''|| ''Polygonaceae Rheum hybridum'' |- |'''kurzinvol'''....''turmeric''|| ''Zingiberaceae Curcuma longa'' |- |'''kokarvol'''....''heart of palm, swamp cabbage''|| ''Arecaceae Cocos'' |- |'''cimpovol'''....''lemongrass''|| ''Poaceae Cymbopogon'' |} ==== Common Flower Names ==== [[File:Madeira-flowers hg.jpg|thumb|]] ===== Flower Parts ===== : Flower names are built on the base name '''vos''', meaning ''flower''. First, here is a list of flower parts: ::* '''vosayob'''....''sepal'' ::* '''vosayeb'''....''petal'' ::* '''vosib'''....''receptacle'' ::* '''veeybpexus''' or '''vosmekibar'''....''stigma'' ::*'''vosij'''....''bud, flower bud'' ::* '''tooybgon'''....''pistil'' ::* '''veeybyan'''....''pollen'' ::* '''twoobgon'''....''stamen'' ::* '''twoobgonyif'''....''filament'' ::* '''veeybyem''' or '''vosmekuar'''....''anther'' ::* '''vosyob'''....''peduncle'' ===== Flower Names ===== [[File:Tulipa suaveolens floriade to Canberra.jpg|thumb|]] : Common flower names are generated by prefixing classifying syllables to the base '''vos''' that reflect the Linnaean taxonomic specification. Here are some examples: : '''<u>som</u>pavos'''....''opium poppy'' (''<u>Pa</u>paver <u>som</u>niferum'') : '''<u>mag</u>vos'''....''magnolia'' (''<u>Mag</u>noliaceae Magnolia'') : '''<u>or</u>vos'''....''orchid'' (''<u>Or</u>chidaceae Orchis'') : '''<u>krokir</u>vos'''....''crocus'' (''<u>Ir</u>idaceae <u>Cro</u>cus'') === Computer Terminology === [[File:Generic-office-desktop2.svg|thumb]] : This section will be ever-changing as new technology emerges. {| class="wikitable sortable collapsable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Computerese |- ! Mirad !! English |- |'''agna saibyan syaagir'''||''mainframe computer'' |- |'''absem syaagir'''||''desktop computer'' |- |'''agbanak'''||''byte'' |- |'''ajnexer'''||''to archive'' |- |'''amloagbanak'''||''megabyte'' |- |'''anay dyewa tax'''||''read-only memory, ROM'' |- |'''aota syaagir'''||''personal computer'' |- |'''aottuunyan'''||''profile'' |- |'''meys'''||''port'' |- |'''apaxler'''||''to swipe'' |- |'''aroagbanak'''||''kilobyte'' |- |'''baler buxnuf'''||''to press/hit a key'' |- |'''banak'''||''bit'' |- |'''agdresin kyoxea buxnuf'''||''caps lock key'' |- |'''buxnuf'''||''key'' |- |'''buxnufsemes'''||''keyboard'' |- |'''buxnufseym'''||''keypad'' |- |'''izeaxus'''||''cursor'' |- |'''byuxseym'''||''touchpad'' |- |'''datier'''||''to friend'' |- |'''dodrer ebdras'''||''to post a message'' |- |'''dota zeyni'''||''social media'' |- |'''ebdrer'''||''to text'' |- |'''dreun'''||''document'' |- |'''dreuzyufer'''||''to scroll, pan'' |- |'''droer naab'''||''to delete a file'' |- |'''drou buxnuf'''||''delete key'' |- |'''drur'''||''printer'' |- |'''drurer naab'''||''to print out a file'' |- |'''drurer'''||''to print out'' |- |'''druru mays buxnuf'''||''print screen key'' |- |'''drurun'''||''a printout'' |- |'''dunexlus'''||''word processor'' |- |'''dyessiyn'''||''bookmark'' |- |'''dyezier'''||''to take a movie'' |- |'''ebdayler'''||''to chat'' |- |'''ebdaylim'''||''chatroom'' |- |'''emojin'''||''emoji'' |- |'''ex buxnuf'''||''function key'' |- |'''exen vyaab'''||''operating system'' |- |'''extuundras'''||''program, application'' |- |'''extuundrasog'''||''app'' |- |'''extuunmul'''||''software'' |- |'''extuundrer'''||''to program'' |- |'''fuk'''||''bug'' |- |'''fukaya'''||''buggy'' |- |'''fukober'''||''to debug'' |- |'''garalyoagbanak'''||''petabyte'' |- |'''gelxer naab'''||''to copy a file'' |- |'''googler'''||''to google'' |- |'''gyia kyos yebiar'''||''solid state drive, SSD'' |- |'''gyia zyiun yebiar'''||''cd drive'' |- |'''haydren dyun'''||''login name'' |- |'''haydrer bay tuyubbal'''||''to log in with one's fingerprint'' |- |'''haydrer'''||''to log in'' |- |'''hoydrer'''||''to log out'' |- |'''huisteaxar'''||''browser'' |- |'''kyeteaxer'''||''to browse'' |- |'''hyux buxnuf'''||''alt key'' |- |'''iber naab'''||''to receive a file'' |- |'''ila mez sinuar, IMS'''||''liquid crystal display, LDC'' |- |'''izbex buxnuf'''||''control key'' |- |'''izbexdrof'''||''motherboard'' |- |'''kliker ab'''||''click on'' |- |'''kodun'''||''password'' |- |'''gawdyunxer naab'''||''to rename a file'' |- |'''kyabu buxnuf'''||''shift key'' |- |'''kyea yempuen tax'''||''random access memory, RAM'' |- |'''kyisier naab'''||''to download a file'' |- |'''kyisuer naab'''||''to upload a file'' |- |'''kyisuar'''||''charger'' |- |'''kyisuer'''||''to charge'' |- |'''lodatier'''||''to unfriend'' |- |'''makebdren'''||''email'' |- |'''makebdrer'''||''to email'' |- |'''man-oyebubea enmep sinuar, MOES'''||''LED'' |- |'''mansin dyes'''||''photo album'' |- |'''mis'''||''window'' |- |'''naab'''||''file'' |- |'''naedzyun'''||''trackball'' |- |'''nagonxar'''||''modem'' |- |'''neaf mansiniar'''||''web camera'' |- |'''nexer naab'''||''to save a file'' |- |'''num yibdalir'''||''cellphone'' |- |'''belyafwa syaagir'''||''laptop computer'' |- |'''ooggos'''||''microchip'' |- |'''oogteexar'''||''microphone'' |- |'''omijber'''||''to boot up'' |- |'''omola tyep, OT'''||''artificial intelligence, AI'' |- |'''gawomijber'''||''to reboot'' |- |'''paxer naab'''||''to move a file'' |- |'''paxyafwa yibdalir'''||''mobile phone'' |- |'''poxu zyumuf buxnuf'''||''scroll lock key'' |- |'''sagbexu buxnuf'''||''numlock key'' |- |'''sagseym'''||''number pad'' |- |'''sam'''||''console'' |- |'''saunesber naab'''||''to sort a file'' |- |'''semes syaagir'''||''tablet computer'' |- |'''sindren semes'''||''graphics tablet'' |- |'''sindrenyan exlen aun'''||''graphics processing unit, GPU'' |- |'''sines'''||''icon'' |- |'''sinuar'''||''screen, display, monitor'' |- |'''syaager'''||''to compute'' |- |'''syaagir'''||''computer'' |- |'''syaagirdal'''||''computerese'' |- |'''syaagirtun'''||''computer science'' |- |'''syaagnyed'''||''spreadsheet'' |- |'''taam mays'''||''home screen'' |- |'''taampu buxnuf'''||''home key'' |- |'''sirmul'''||''hardware, physical matter'' |- |'''taxdrer'''||''to record'' |- |'''taxmuf'''||''memory stick'' |- |'''teataxdrer'''||''to video'' |- |'''teataxdrun'''||''video'' |- |'''tuunnabyan'''||''database'' |- |'''tuyab izdar'''||''mouse'' |- |'''uber naab'''||''to send a file'' |- |'''uinig buxnuf'''||''tab key'' |- |'''utmansin'''||''selfie'' |- |'''yaybdreniv sindren dalzeyn (YSD)'''||''HTML'' |- |'''yeber'''||''to enter, insert'' |- |'''yebu buxnuf'''||''enter key, return key, insert key'' |- |'''yiga zyiun yebiar'''||''hard disk drive, HDD'' |- |'''yijber naab'''||''to open a file'' |- |'''yujber naab'''||''to close a file'' |- |'''yuzpemdrof'''||''circuitboard'' |- |'''zea exlen aun'''||''central processing unit, CPU'' |- |'''zoynigxu buxnuf'''||''backspace key'' |- |'''zyiun yebiar'''||''disk drive'' |} === Medical and Pharmaceutical Terminology === : This is a vast field where the limited morpheme aggregate of Mirad cannot serve to translate all the technical vocabulary. It will, therefore, translate only very common words and leave the rest in Greco-Latin as do many natural languages. ==== Medical Diseases ==== : Some common medical conditions can be readily be translated in Mirad using its existing set of morphemes, eg. ::* '''tiebalyoganbok'''....''asthma'' (lit: shortness of breath illness) ::* '''tiebbok'''....''pneumonia'' (lit: lung illness) ::* '''teibbok'''....''rhinitis'' (lit: nose illness) ::* '''tayibblok'''....''neuropathy'' (lit: nerve suffering) ::* '''tebbyoyk'''....''headache'' (lit: head ache) ::* '''teibzyegikanbok'''....''osteoporosis'' (lit: bone porosity illness) ==== Pharmaceuticals ==== : Medicines can be referred to by their trade names, some of which have been genericized. ::* '''aspirin'''....''aspirin'' ::* '''Ibupropen'''....''Ibupropen'' : Others can be translated by words indicating the purpose: ::* '''bukpoyxol, bukkyuxlol'''....''analgesic, painkiller'' (Lit: pain reliever) ::* '''tikebilokxol'''....''emetic'' (Lit: vomit-inducing-substance) : Less common drugs, and any drugs for that matter, can be referred to by the official International Nonproprietary Name (INN) (see [https://www.who.int/teams/health-product-and-policy-standards/inn|International Nonproprietary Names]). For example, ''phenobarbital''. In case a Greco-Roman name is used, the following pronunciation guide applies to Mirad: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ INN names pronunciation |- ! Greco-Roman<br>Spelling !! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- | ch || '''k''' |- | ph || '''f''' |- | x || '''ks''' |- | y || '''i''' |- | qu || '''kw''' |- | rh || '''r''' |- | th || '''t''' |- | ae || '''ay''' |- | oe || '''oy''' |- | c before i, e, or y || '''c''' |- | c otherwise || '''k''' |- | final e || silent |- | double consonant || single consonant |} : Examples: ::* '''acetaminophen'''....''a-ce-ta-mi-no-FEN'' ::* '''amphetamine'''....''am-fe-ta-MIN'' ::* '''trimethroprim'''....''tri-me-tro-PRIM'' ::* '''sulfamethoxazole'''....''sul-fa-me-to-ksa-ZOL'' ::* '''oxacillin'''....''o-ksa-ci-LIN'' === Mineral and Crystal Nomenclature === : Minerals end in '''-muk''' with a prefix related to the official 3-letter International Mineorological Association (IMA) symbol name (see [[Wikipedia:List_of_mineral_symbols|The Wikipedia List of Mineral Symbols]]). The IMA name is substituted with lower-case Mirad alphabetic spellings. For example: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Some Mineral Names |- ! English!! IMA Symbol !! Mirad Spellings !! Mirad Name |- | ''argyrodyte'' || Agy || '''a-ge-yu''' || '''ageyumuk''' |- |''brochantyte'' || Bct || '''ba-ca-to''' || '''bacatomuk''' |- |''chromite'' || Chr || '''ca-he-ro''' || '''caheromuk''' |} : There are some minerals having an IMA with a hyphenated suffix of one or two letters. In that case, the extra letters are added to the name (without the hyphen), eg.: ::* ''Lemmleinite-K'' (Lem-k) is '''liemikomuk''' in Mirad. : Crystals end in '''-mez'''. The first part of the word is an enumeration. : The common crystals are listed here: :{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Names of Common Crystals |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''mez''' || ''crystal'' |- | '''amez''' || ''diamond'' |- | '''emez''' || ''topaz'' |- | '''imez''' || ''ruby'' |- | '''umez''' || ''emerald'' |- | '''yomez''' || ''sapphire'' |- | '''yamez''' || ''lapis lazuli'' |- | '''yemez''' || ''amethyst'' |- | '''yimez''' || ''amber'' |- | '''yumez''' || ''quartz'' |- | '''alomez''' || ''opal'' |- | '''alamez''' || ''tourmaline'' |- | '''alemez''' || ''garnet'' |- | '''alimez''' || ''zirconia'' |- | '''alumez''' || ''jasper'' |- | '''alyomez''' || ''jade'' |- | '''alyamez''' || ''marganite'' |} : Other, less common crystals end in '''-mez''' and are formed from the Wikipedia list of mineral symbols. : General words for earthen matter: :* '''muk'''....''mineral'' :* '''muz'''....''ore'' :* '''mug'''....''metal'' :* '''mez'''....''crystal'' :* '''meg'''....''rock, stone'' ::* '''megog'''....''pebble'' ::* '''meges'''....''gravel'' :* '''mel'''....''soil'' :* '''meil'''....''mud'' :* '''mek'''....''dust'' :* '''miek'''....''sand'' :* '''mev'''....''porcelain'' :* '''mef'''....''brick'' ==== Rock Classification ==== : The naming of individual rock types is based on the [[https://www.bgs.ac.uk/download/bgs-rock-classification-scheme-igneous/| BGS Rock Classification Scheme ]]. : All rocks (other than the general word for ''rock'', '''meg''') end in one of the following suffixes, depending on the main type: ::* '''ameg'''....''sedimentary rock'' ::* '''emeg'''....''igneous rock'' ::* '''imag'''....''metamorphic rock'' : The names for obscure rocks are taken from the BGS Rock Classification Scheme. The final ''e'' is dropped from names that end in ''yte'' or ''ite''. For example, ''trachydacite'' in the scheme becomes '''trachydacit''' in Mirad. This word is then followed by one of the rock types above ('''emeg''' ''igneous rock''). So ''trachydacite'' becomes '''trachydacitemeg''' in Mirad. For obvious reason, all the thousands of rock names cannot be listed here or included in the Mirad dictionary. :The word '''meg''' ''rock'' has some common derivatives: ::* '''megag'''....''boulder'' ::* '''meg'''....''stone'' ::* '''megog'''....''pebble'' ::* '''meges'''....''gravel'' ::* '''megyel'''....''cement, asphalt, bitumen'' :::* '''megyelyig'''....''concrete'' ::* '''megil'''....''lava'' ::* '''meggos'''....''crag'' ::* '''megyig'''....''flintstone, basalt'' ::* '''meag'''....''marble'' ::* '''meeg'''....''slate'' ::* '''meig'''....''granite'' ::* '''meug'''....''clay, dough'' ::* '''meyog'''....''china'' ::* '''meyag'''....''chalk'' :::* '''meyaz'''....''pastel'' :::* '''meyayg'''....''calcite'' ::* '''meyeg'''....''limestone, sediment'' ::* '''meyig'''....''alabaster'' ::* '''meyug'''....''gypsum'' ::* '''mealog'''....''sandstone, stoneware'' ::* '''mameg'''....''coal'' :::* '''eymameg'''....''coke'' :::* '''maameg'''....''anthracite'' :::* '''maemeg'''....''peat'' :::* '''maimeg'''....''lignite'' : Related are: ::* '''mek'''....''dust'' :::* '''mekes'''....''grit'' :::* '''mekil'''....''grout'' :::* '''meyk'''....''grit'' ::* '''myek'''....''powder'' ::* '''miek'''....''sand'' ::* '''mieg'''....''coral'' ::* '''mel'''....''dirt'' ::* '''muk'''....''mineral'' ::* '''meil'''....''mud'' ::* '''mez'''....''crystal'' :::* '''meyz'''....''spar'' :::* '''meyzag'''....''feldspar'' ::* '''muz'''....''ore'' ::* '''memol'''....''alkali'' ::* '''mimol'''....''salt'' ::* '''mef'''....''brick'' === Metric Nomenclature === [[File:Conversion Factors.png|thumb|]] : Mirad uses the [[Wikt:International System of Units (SI)|International System of Units (SI)]]) for rendering measurement units. These symbols are pronounced as if you were spelling each letter out (see [[Mirad_Grammar/Alphabet]]. Bear in mind that majuscules (uppercase letters are prefaced with the word '''ag-''' (''big''). Similarly, Greek letters are spelled with the Greek names ('''alpha''', '''gamma''', etc.) preceded with the word '''ag-''' if majuscule ('''aggamma''' for ''&Gamma;'') The Mirad equivalent of the SI symbol for ''ohm'' (Ω) is '''agomega'''. All metric units end in the word '''nak'''. ==== SI Base Units ==== :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>SI base units</big> |- !English<br>Unit<br>Name !Symbolic<br>Abbeviation !Quantity<br>Unit !Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- !second |style="text-align:center" |s |time |style="text-align:center" |'''sonak''' |- !meter |style="text-align:center" |m |length |style="text-align:center" |'''minak''' |- !kilogram |style="text-align:center" |kg |mass |style="text-align:center" |'''kigenak''' |- !ampere |style="text-align:center" |A |electric current |style="text-align:center" |'''aganak''' |- !kelvin |style="text-align:center" |K |thermodynamic temperature |style="text-align:center" |'''agkinak''' |- !Mole |style="text-align:center" |mol |amount of substance |style="text-align:center" |'''miolinak''' |- !candela |style="text-align:center" |cd |luminous intensity |style="text-align:center" |'''cadanak''' |} ==== SI Derived Units ==== : Here are SI derived units with special names and symbols: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>SI derived units with special names and symbols</big> |- ! English<br>Name ! Symbolic<br>Written<br>Abbreviation ! Quantity<br>Unit ! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- |'''radian''' | align="center" | rad | plane angle | align="center" |'''roadanak''' |- |'''steradian''' | align="center" | sr | solid angle | align="center" |'''soronak''' |- |'''hertz''' | align="center" | Hz | frequency | align="center" |'''aghezunak''' |- |'''newton''' | align="center" | N | force, weight | align="center" |'''agninak''' |- | '''pascal''' | align="center" | Pa | pressure, stress | align="center" | '''agpoanak''' |- | '''joule''' | align="center" | J | energy | align="center" | '''agjinak''' |- | '''watt''' | align="center" | W | power | align="center" | '''agwunak''' |- | '''coulomb''' | align="center" | C | electric charge | align="center" |'''agcanak''' |- | '''volt''' | align="center" | V | electrical potential difference | align="center" | '''agvunak''' |- | '''farad''' | align="center" | F | capacitance | align="center" | '''agfenak''' |- | '''ohm''' | align="center" | Ω | electrical resistance | align="center" | '''agomeganak''' |- | '''Siemens''' | align="center" | S | electrical conductance | align="center" | '''agsonak''' |- | '''Weber''' | align="center" | Wb | magnetic flux | align="center" | '''agwubanak''' |- | '''tesla''' | align="center" | T | magnetic flux density | align="center" | '''agtonak''' |- | '''henry''' | align="center" | H | inductance | align="center" | '''aghenak''' |- | '''degree Celsius''' | align="center" | °C | temperature | align="center" | '''nogagcanak''' |- | '''lumen''' | align="center" | lm | luminous flux | align="center" | '''liminak''' |- | '''lux''' | align="center" | lx | illuminance | align="center" | '''lixunak''' |- | '''becquerel''' | align="center" | Bq | radioactivity | align="center" | '''agbakonak''' |- | '''gray''' | align="center" | Gy | absorbed dose (of ionizing radiation) | align="center" | '''aggeyunak''' |- | '''sievert''' | align="center" | Sv | equivalent dose (of ionizing radiation) | align="center" | '''agsovunak''' |- | '''katal''' | align="center" | kat | catalytic activity | align="center" | '''kiatonak''' |- | '''byte''' | align="center" | B | 8 bits of information | align="center" | '''agbanak''' |- | '''bit''' | align="center" | b | one bit of information | align="center" | '''banak''' |} : Also, here are some non-SI units that are very convenient and acceptable: ==== Convenient Non-SI Units ==== ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>Convenient non-SI units</big> |- ! English<br>Name ! Symbolic<br>Written<br>Abbreviation ! Quantity<br>Unit ! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- |'''litre''' | align="center" | L | volume | align="center" |'''aglinak''' |- |'''hectare''' | align="center" | ha | area | align="center" |'''heabak''' |- |'''ton''' | align="center" | t | area | align="center" |'''tonak''' |- |'''decibel''' | align="center" | dB | loudness | align="center" |'''daagbanak''' |} ==== Metrical Formulae ==== : The following chart shows how in Mirad to pronounce coherent derived unit formulae in terms of base units. Note that the backslash means ''per'' or ''divided by'' and is pronounced '''gol'''. The symbol x means ''times'' and is pronounced '''gal'''. The superscript number is a power and is pronounced '''gar''' plus the number (with '''-wa''', if a unit number). The negative superscript number is pronounced '''gor''' plus the number (again, with '''-wa''' if a unit number). See [[Mirad Grammar/Determiners#Arithmetical Expressions|Arithmetical Expressions]] for further information on these terms. ::{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ <big>Examples of coherent derived units in terms of base units</big> |- ! Name ! Symbolic<br>Formula ! Derived<br>Quantity ! Typical <br>Symbol ! Mirad<br>Pronunciation |- | '''square meter''' | align="center" | m² | area | align="center" |{{math|''A''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gar-ewa''' |- | '''cubic meter''' | align="center" | m³ | volume | align="center" | {{math|''V''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''meter per second''' | align="center" | m/s | speed, velocity | align="center" | {{math|''v''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gol-so''' |- | '''meter per second squared''' | align="center" | m/s² | acceleration | align="center" | {{math|''a''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gol-so-gar-ewa''' |- |rowspan=2| '''reciprocal meter''' |rowspan=2 align="center" | m⁻¹ | wavenumber | align="center" | {{math|''σ''}}, {{math|''ṽ''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gor-awa''' |- | vergence (optics) | align="center" | {{math|''V''}}, 1/{{math|''f''}} |- | '''kilogram per cubic meter''' | align="center" | kg/m³ | density | align="center" | {{math|''ρ''}} | align="center" | '''kige-gol-mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''kilogram per square meter''' | align="center" | kg/m² | surface density | align="center" | {{math|''ρ''}}_A | align="center" | '''kige-gol-mi-gar-ewa''' |- | '''cubic meter per kilogram''' | align="center" | m³/kg | specific volume | align="center" | {{math|''v''}} | align="center" | '''mi-gar-iwa-gol-kige''' |- | '''ampere per square meter''' | align="center" | A/m² | current density | align="center" | {{math|''j''}} | align="center" | '''aga-gol-mi-gar-ewa''' |- | Amperes per meter|'''ampere per meter''' | align="center" | A/m | magnetic field strength | align="center" | {{math|''H''}} | align="center" | '''aga-gol-mi''' |- | '''mole per cubic meter''' | align="center" | mol/m³ | concentration | align="center" |{{math|''c''}} | align="center" | '''mioli-gol-mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''kilogram per cubic meter''' | align="center" | kg/m³ | Mass concentration (chemistry)|mass concentration | align="center" | {{math|''ρ''}}, {{math|''γ'' }} | align="center" | '''kige-gol-mi-gar-iwa''' |- | '''candela per square meter''' | align="center" | cd/m² | luminance | align="center" | {{math|''L''}}_v | align="center" | '''cada-gol-mi-gar-ewa''' |} ==== Metric Micro and Macro Prefixes ==== : The SI has a whole list of prefixes that act as multipliers (macro) or dividers (micro) of the above and other measurement units. For example, a ''kilometer'' is a meter times a 1,000 (macro unit), whereas a millimeter is a meter divided by a 1,000 (micro unit). The SI symbol for ''b'' (byte) is pronounced '''ba''' in Mirad. A terabyte ( ''Tb'') is therefore pronounced '''ag-to-ba''', which This amounts ''10¹² bytes''. Here is a table showing the Mirad macro and micro prefixes: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Scalar Metrics |- ! colspan=4 | Macro !! colspan=4 | Micro |- ! Base<br>10!! US/UK Name!!Mirad Prefix<br>SI Prefix<br><br>Mirad Pron. !!SI Symbol !! Base<br>10 !! (US/UK Name) !! Mirad Prefix<br>SI Prefix !! SI Symbol<br><br>Mirad Pron. |- | 1 || one || '''an-''' ... ''mono-, uni-'' || ||1/1 ||whole || '''ayn-'''<br>''holo-, uni-'' || |- | 2 ||two || '''en-'''<br>''bi-'' || || 1/2 ||half||'''eyn-'''<br>''demi-, di-''|| |- | 3 ||three || '''in-'''<br>''tri-'' || || 1/3 ||third ||'''iyn-'''<br>''terci-''|| |- | 4 ||four || '''un-'''<br>''tetra-'' || || 1/4 ||fourth || '''uyn-'''<br>''quadri-''|| |- | 5 ||five || '''yoon-''' <br>''penta-'' || || 1/5 ||fifth ||'''yoyn'''<br>''quinti-''|| |- | 6 ||six || '''yaon-'''<br>''hexa-'' || || 1/6 ||sixth ||'''yayn'''<br>''sexti-''|| |- | 7 ||seven || '''yen-'''<br>''hepta-'' || || 1/7 ||seventh || '''yeyn'''<br>''septi-''|| |- | 8 ||eight || '''yin'''<br>''octo-'' || || 1/8 ||eighth || '''yiyn'''<br>''octi-''|| |- | 9 ||nine || '''yun'''<br>''nona-'' || || 1/9 ||ninth || '''yuyn'''<br>''novi-''|| |- | 10 ||ten || '''alo-'''<br>''deca-'' || ''da''<br>'''da-a-''' || 1/10 ||tenth || '''aloy-'''<br>''deci-''|| ''d''<br>'''da-''' |- | 10² ||hundred || '''aso-'''<br>''hexa-'' || ''h''<br>'''hi-''' || 10^-2 ||hundredth || '''asoy-'''<br>''centi-''|| ''c''<br>'''ca-''' |- | 10³ ||thousand || '''amso-'''<br>''kilo-'' ||''k''<br>'''ki-''' || 10^-3 ||thousandth)|| '''amsoy-'''<br>''milli-''|| ''m''<br>'''mi-''' |- | 10⁶ ||million || '''amlo-'''<br>''mega-'' || ''M''<br>'''agmi-''' || 10^-6 ||millionth || '''amloy-'''<br>''micro-''|| ''r''<br>'''ro-''' |- | 10⁹ ||billion /milliard || '''amro-'''<br>''giga-'' || ''G''<br>'''agge-''' || 10^-9 ||billionth/ milliardth || '''amroy-'''<br>''nano-''|| ''n''<br>'''ni-''' |- | 10¹² ||trillion /billion || '''garale-'''<br>''tera-'' || ''T''<br>'''agto-''' || 10^-12 ||trillionth / billionth)|| '''gorale-'''<br>''pico-''|| ''p''<br>'''po-''' |- | 10¹⁵ ||quadrillion)/ billiard|| '''garalyo-'''<br>''peta-'' || ''P''<br>'''agpo-'''||10^-15 ||quadrillionth) / billiardth || '''goralyo-'''<br>''femto-''||''f''<br>'''fe-''' |- | 10¹⁸ ||quintillion / trillion || '''garalyu-'''<br>''exa-'' || ''E''<br>'''age-'''||10^-18 ||quintillionth)/ trillionth || '''goralyu'''<br>''atto-''||''a''<br>'''a-''' |- | 10²¹ ||sextillion)/ trilliard || '''garela-'''<br>''zetta-'' || ''Z''<br>'''agzu-'''||10^-21 ||sextillionth / trilliardth || '''gorela'''<br>''zepto-''||''z''<br>'''zu-''' |- | 10²⁴ ||septillion)/ quadrillion || '''garelu-'''<br>''yotta-'' || '' Y''<br>'''agyu''' ||10^-27 ||septillionth / quadrillionth|| '''gorelu'''<br>''yocto-''||''y''<br>'''yu-''' |} : *Note: The '''gar''' (''to a plus power'') and '''gor''' (''to a minus power'') forms are alternatives for the numeric prefixes beyond 100. For example, ''billion'' (10⁹) could be expressed as '''garyu-'''(ten) to the 9th power'', while ''billionth'' could be expressed by '''goryu''' (''(ten) to the minus 9th power). The prefix '''garya-''' is composed of the positive exponential operator '''gar''' (''to the power of''), followed by the number ''6''. The prefix '''gorale-''' is composed of the negative exponential operator '''gor''' (''to the root of''), followed by the number ''12''. ==== Abbreviated Symbols ==== : The macro and micro values can also be represented with abbreviated symbols, which can be pronounced in Mirad as spelled out alphabetics. Upper case equivalents are preceded with '''ag-'''. Here is a table showing grams: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Kg Metrics With Abbreviated Symbols |- ! colspan=2 | Macro !! colspan=2 | Micro |- ! Symbol (Expansion) !! Mirad Pronunciation !! Symbol (Expansion) !! Mirad Pronunciation |- | ''dag'' (decagram)|| '''daage''' || ''dg'' |(decigram)||'''dage''' |- | ''hg'' (hexagram)|| '''hege''' || ''cg'' (centigram)||'''cage''' |- | ''kg'' (kilogram) || '''koge''' || ''mg'' (milligram) ||'''mige''' |- | ''Mg'' (megagram)|| '''agmige''' ||''rg'' or '''μg''' (microgram)|| '''roge''' or '''muge''' |- | ''Gg'' (gigagram)|| '''aggege''' || ''ng'' (nanogram)|| '''nige''' |- | ''Tg'' (teragram)|| '''agtoge''' || ''pg'' (picagram)|| '''poge''' |- | ''Pg'' ( petagram)|| '''agpoge''' || ''fg'' (femtogram)|| '''fege''' |- | ''Eg'' (exagram)|| '''agege''' || ''ag'' (attogram)|| '''age''' |- | ''Zg'' (zettagram)|| '''agzege''' || ''zg'' (zeptogram) || '''zege''' |- | ''Yg'' (yottagram)|| '''agyuge''' || ''yg'' (yoctogram) || '''yuge''' |} : The squared and cubed representations of the above are followed by '''gar ewa''' (''squared'') and '''gar iwa''' (''cubed''), respectively: ::* '''10 kg2'''....(pronounced as:) ''alo koge gar ewa'' ::* '''12 mm3'''....(pronounced as:) ''ale mimi gar iwa'' === Trigonometric Nomenclature === : This table shows trigonometry functions and their equivalents in Mirad. The function symbols are translated into Mirad by a succession of the pronounced Mirad values of the function abbreviation followed by '''-naz''' (''value''). :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller;" |+ Trigonometry Functions |- ! Function (Symbol) !! Mirad Technical Name !! Mirad Ordinary Name |- | ''sine (sin)'' || '''soini-naz''' || '''uznaz''' |- | ''cosine (cos)'' || '''caoso-naz''' || '''yanuznaz''' |- | ''arccosine (arccos, cos^-1)''<br>''anticosine''<br>''inverse cosine''|| '''arocacaoso-naz''' || '''ovuznaz''' |- | ''hyperbolic sine (sinh)'' || '''soinihe-naz'''|| '''enuza uznaz''' |- | ''hyperbolic cosine (cosh)'' || '''caosohe-naz''' || '''enuza yanuznaz''' |- | ''secant (sec)'' || '''soeca-naz''' || '''golus naz''' |- | ''cosecant (csc)'' || '''casoca-naz''' || '''yangolus naz''' |- | ''arccosecant (arccsc)'' || '''arocacasoca-naz''' || '''enuza yangolus naz''' |} === Poetry Nomenclature === : Mirad uses the nonsense syllables '''di''' and '''da''' to form various poetic meter words that usually are formed with Greek words in English. The syllable '''di''' represents an ''unstressed'' syllable in verse, while the syllable '''da''' denotes a ''stressed'' syllable. These are hyphenated and followed with a space and the word '''deup''' as a noun, which means ''meter'' or ''rhythm''. The adjectival form of the word ends in '''deupa'''. Here are the most common poetic meters: ::* '''di-da deupa'''.... iambic :::* '''di-da yoondeup'''.... ''iambic pentameter'' ::* '''di-di-da deupa'''.... ''anapestic'' ::* '''di-da-da deupa'''.... ''bacchius'' ::* '''da-da deupa'''.... ''spondaic'' ::* '''da-da-da deupa'''.... ''molossus'' ::* '''da-da-di deupa'''.... ''antibacchius'' ::* '''da-di deupa'''.... ''tochaic'' :::* '''da-di deup'''.... ''trochee, choree'' ::* '''da-di-da deupa'''.... ''cretic, amphimacer'' ::* '''da-di-di deupa'''.... ''dactylic'' ::* '''da-di-di yaondeup'''.... ''dactylic hexameter'' ::* '''da-di-di-da deupa'''.... ''amphibrachic'' : Other words representing elements of poetry are: ::* '''drez'''....''poetry, verse'' :::* '''dreza'''....''poetic'' :::* '''drezyen'''....''poesy'' :::* '''drezyan'''....''anthology'' (of poetry) :::* '''drezut'''....''poet'' ::::* '''drezuyt'''....''poetess'' ::::* '''popdrezut'''....''minstrel'' ::::* '''Vikinga drezut'''....''skald'' ::::* '''dreuzut'''....''bard'' :::* '''odrez'''....''prose'' :::* '''vyasma drez'''....''concrete verse'' :::* '''tyoda drez'''....''folk poetry'' :::* '''indeupa drez'''....''trimeter'' :::* '''undeupa drez'''....''tetrameter'' :::* '''yoondeupa drez'''....''pentameter'' :::* '''yaondeupa drez'''....''hexameter'' :::* '''yendeupa drez'''....''heptameter'' :::* '''yindeupa drez'''....''octameter'' :::* '''ogelseuxwa drez'''....''blank verse'' :::* '''yiva drez'''....''free verse'' :::* '''drezun'''....''poem'' ::::* '''deuzwa drezun'''....''sung poem, lay'' ::::* '''dindrezun'''....''ballad'' ::::* '''dizdrezun'''....''limerick'' ::::* '''fiddrezun'''....''ode'' ::::* '''fizdrezun'''....''epic poem'' ::::* '''haikudrezun'''....''haiku'' ::::* '''viysindrezun'''....''idyll'' ::::* '''ifondrezun'''....''love poem, romantic poem'' ::::* '''indrezun'''....''terzain'' ::::* '''jodrezun'''....''epode'' ::::* '''yindrezun'''....''sistina'' ::::* '''klerihyudrezun'''....''clerihew'' ::::* '''meimdrezun'''....''pastoral'' ::::* '''melyexdrezun'''....''georgic'' ::::* '''petnyanuta drezun'''....''pastoral, eclogue'' ::::* '''popduzuta drezun'''....''troubadour poem'' ::::* '''rondodrezun'''....''rondeau, rondel, roundel'' ::::* '''seuz drezun'''....''sound poem'' ::::* '''tadyandrezun'''....''prothalamion, epithalamion'' ::::* '''tankadrezun'''....''tanka'' ::::* '''taxdrezun'''....''epitaph'' ::::* '''tuddrezun'''....''nursery rhyme'' ::::* '''ulondrezun'''....''sonnet'' ::::* '''ujdreznadeon'''....''envoi'' ::::* '''undrezun'''....''quatrain'' ::::* '''unnad drezun'''....''tetrastich'' ::::* '''uvdrezun'''....''elegy'' ::::* '''alyundrezun'''....''villanelle'' ::::* '''virelaydrezun'''....''virelai, virelay'' ::::* '''yizivtos drezun'''....''rhapsody'' ::::* '''yoondrezun'''....''quintain'' ::* '''dreznad'''....''line, -stich, verse'' :::* '''eyndreznad'''...''hemistich'' :::* '''endreznad'''....''couplet'' ::* '''dreznadyan'''....''stanza'' ::* '''gelseux'''....''rhyme'' :::* '''gelseuxyen'''....''rhyme scheme'' :::* '''dunija gelseuxen'''....''alliteration'' ::* '''seuxzoyxen'''....''assonance'' ::* '''geyldyan'''....''simile'' ::* '''yiztyun'''....''metaphor'' ::* '''yanseuzan'''....''consonance'' ::* '''deup'''....''rhythm, beat, metrical foot, meter'' ::* '''kyib'''....''stress'' ::* '''seuz'''....''tone'' === Dimensional Nomenclature === : This chart shows adjectives that describe dimensional relationships: {| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow" |+ Dimensional Words |- ! Positive !! Intermediate !! Negative |- | '''yaba'''....''high(er)'' || '''yeba'''....''inner'' || '''yoba'''....''low(er)'' |- | '''yaiba'''....''tall'' || '''yeiba'''....''deep inside'' || '''yoiba'''....''deep (down)'' |- | '''yauba'''....''short'' || '''yeuba'''....''a short way in'' || '''youba'''....''shallow'' |- | '''yaga'''....''long'' || || '''yoga'''....''short'' |- | '''yiba'''....''far'' || || '''yuba'''....''near'' |- | '''aonada'''....''vertical'' || || '''uinada'''....''horizontal'' |- | '''kia'''....''diagonal'' || || '''kua'''....''lateral'' |- | '''zyia'''....''flat'' || || '''zyua'''....''round'' |- | '''yaza'''....''concave'' || '''yeza'''....''flush'' || '''yoza'''....''convex'' |} === Geologic Period Nomenclature === : The principal geochronologic units of the geologic time scale, from largest to smallest, are: :** '''joob'''....''eon'' :*** '''ajoob'''....''Hadean Eon'' :*** '''ejoob'''....''Archean Eon'' :*** '''ijoob'''....''Proterozoic Eon'' :*** '''ujoob'''....''Phanerozoic Eon'' :** '''joab'''....''era'' :*** '''ajoab'''....''Eoarchean Era'' :*** '''ejoab'''....''Paleoarchean Era'' :*** '''ijoab'''....''Mesoarchean Era'' :*** '''ujoab'''....''Neoarchean Era'' :*** '''yojoab'''....''Paleoproterozoic Era'' :*** '''yajoab'''....''Mesoproterozoic Era'' :*** '''yejoab'''....''Neoproterozoic Era'' :*** '''yijoab'''....''Paleozoic Era'' :*** '''yujoab'''....''Mesozoic Era'' :*** '''alojoab'''....''Cenozoic Era'' :** '''joeb'''....''period'' :*** '''ajoeb'''....''Siderian Period'' :*** '''ejoeb'''....''Rhyacian Period'' :*** '''ijoeb'''....''Orosirian Period'' :*** '''ujoeb'''....''Statherian Period'' :*** '''yojoeb'''....''Calymmian Period'' :*** '''yajoeb'''....''Ectasian Period'' :*** '''yejoeb'''....''Stenian Period'' :*** '''yijoeb'''....''Tonian Period'' :*** '''yujoeb'''....''Cryogenian Period'' :*** '''alojoeb'''....''Ediacaran Period'' :*** '''alajoeb'''....''Cambrian Period'' :*** '''alejoeb'''....''Ordovician Period'' :*** '''alijoeb'''....''Silurian Period'' :*** '''alujoeb'''....''Devonian Period'' :*** '''alyojoeb'''....''Carboniferous Period'' :*** '''alyajoeb'''....''Permian Period'' :*** '''alyejoeb'''....''Triassic Period'' :*** '''alyijoeb'''....''Jurassic Period'' :*** '''alyujoeb'''....''Cretaceous Period'' :*** '''elojoeb'''....''Paleogene Period'' :*** '''elajoeb'''....''Neogene Period'' :*** '''elejoeb'''....''Quarternary Period'' :** '''joib'''....''epoch'' :*** '''ajoib'''....''Terreneuvian Epoch'' :*** '''ejoib'''....''Series 2 Epoch'' :*** '''ijoib'''....''Miaolingian Epoch'' :*** '''ujoib'''....''Furongian Epoch'' :*** '''yojoib'''....''Lower Epoch'' :*** '''yajoib'''....''Middle Epoch'' :*** '''yejoib'''....''Upper Epoch'' :*** '''yijoib'''....''Llandovery Epoch'' :*** '''yujoib'''....''Wenlock Epoch'' :*** '''alojoib'''....''Ludlow Epoch'' :*** '''alajoib'''....''Pridoli Epoch'' :** '''joub'''....''age'' :*** '''ajoub'''....''Fortunian Age'' :*** '''ejoub'''....''Stage 2 Age'' :*** '''ijoub'''....''Stage 3 Age'' :*** '''ujoub'''....''Stage 4 Age'' :*** '''yojoub'''....''Wulian Age'' :*** '''yajoub'''....''Drumian Age'' :*** '''yejoub'''....''Guzhangian Age'' :*** '''yijoub'''....''Paibian Age'' :*** '''yujoub'''....''Jianshanian Age'' :*** '''alojoub'''....''Stage 10 Age'' :*** '''alajoub'''....''Temadocian Age'' :*** '''alejoub'''....''Floian Age'' :*** '''alijoub'''....''Dapingian Age'' :*** '''alujoub'''....''Darriwilian Age'' :*** '''alyojoub'''....''Sandbian Age'' :*** '''alyajoub'''....''Katian Age'' :*** '''alyejoub'''....''Hirnantian Age'' :*** '''alyijoub'''....''Rhuddanian Age'' :*** '''alyujoub'''....''Aeronian Age'' :*** '''elojoub'''....''Telychian Age'' :*** '''elajoub'''....''Cheinwoodian Age'' :*** '''elejoub'''....''Homerian Age'' :*** '''elijoub'''....''Gorstian Age'' :*** '''elujoub'''....''Ludfordian Age'' :*** '''elyojoub'''....''Pridoli Age'' :*** '''elyajoub'''....''Lochkovian Age'' :*** '''elyejoub'''....''Pragian Age'' :*** '''elyijoub'''....''Emsian Age'' :*** '''elyujoub'''....''Eifelian Age'' :*** '''ilojoub'''....''Givetian Age'' :*** '''ilajoub'''....''Frasnian Age'' :*** '''ilejoub'''....''Famennian Age'' :*** '''ilijoub'''....''Tournaisian Age'' :*** '''ilujoub'''....''Visean Age'' :*** '''ilyojoub'''....''Serpukhovian Age'' :*** '''ilyajoub'''....''Bashkirian Age'' :*** '''ilyejoub'''....''Moscovian Age'' :*** '''ilyijoub'''....''Kasimovian Age'' :*** '''ilyujoub'''....''Gzhelian Age'' :*** '''ulojoub'''....''Asselian Age'' :*** '''ulajoub'''....''Sakmarian Age'' :*** '''ulejoub'''....''Artinskian Age'' :*** '''ulijoub'''....''Kungurian Age'' :*** '''ulujoub'''....''Roadian Age'' :*** '''ulyojoub'''....''Wordian Age'' :*** '''ulyajoub'''....''Capitanian Age'' :*** '''ulyejoub'''....''Wuchiapingian Age'' :*** '''ulyijoub'''....''Changhsingian Age'' :*** '''ulyujoub'''....''Induan Age'' :*** '''yolojoub'''....''Olenekian Age'' :*** '''yolajoub'''....''Anisian Age'' :*** '''yolejoub'''....''Ladnian Age'' :*** '''yolijoub'''....''Carnian Age'' :*** '''yolujoub'''....''Norian Age'' :*** '''yolyojoub'''....''Rhaetian Age'' :*** '''yolyajoub'''....''Hettangian Age'' :*** '''yolyejoub'''....''Sinemurian Age'' :*** '''yolyijoub'''....''Pliensbachian Age'' :*** '''yolyujoub'''....''Toarcian Age'' :*** '''yalojoub'''....''Aalenian Age'' :*** '''yalajoub'''....''Bajocian Age'' :*** '''yalejoub'''....''Bathonian Age'' :*** '''yalijoub'''....''Callovian Age'' :*** '''yalujoub'''....''Oxfordian Age'' :*** '''yalyojoub'''....''Kimmeridgian Age'' :*** '''yalyajoub'''....''Tithonian Age'' :*** '''yalyejoub'''....''Berriasian Age'' :*** '''yalyijoub'''....''Valanginian Age'' :*** '''yalyujoub'''....''Hauterivian Age'' :*** '''yelojoub'''....''Barremian Age '' :*** '''yelajoub'''....''Aptian Age '' :*** '''yelejoub'''....''Albian Age '' :*** '''yelijoub'''....''Cenomanian '' :*** '''yelujoub'''....''Turonian '' :*** '''yelyojoub'''....''Coniacian '' :*** '''yelyajoub'''....''Santonian '' :*** '''yelyejoub'''....''Campanian '' :*** '''yelyijoub'''....''Maastrichtian '' :*** '''yelyujoub'''....''Danian '' :*** '''yilojoub'''....''Selandian '' :*** '''yilajoub'''....''Thanetian '' :*** '''yilejoub'''....''Ypresian '' :*** '''yilijoub'''....''Lutetian '' :*** '''yilujoub'''....''Bartonian '' :*** '''yilyojoub'''....''Priaboanian '' :*** '''yilyajoub'''....''Rupelian '' :*** '''yilyejoub'''....''Chattian '' :*** '''yilyijoub'''....''Aquitanian '' :*** '''yilyujoub'''....''Burdigalian '' :*** '''yulojoub'''....''Langhian '' :*** '''yulajoub'''....''Serravallian '' :*** '''yulejoub'''....''Tortonian '' :*** '''yulijoub'''....''Messinian '' :*** '''yulujoub'''....''Zanclean '' :*** '''yulyojoub'''....''Piacenzian '' :*** '''yulyajoub'''....''Gelasian '' :*** '''yulyejoub'''....''Calabrian '' :*** '''yulyijoub'''....''Chibanian '' :*** '''yulyujoub'''....''Tarantian '' :*** '''asojoub'''....''Greenlandian '' :*** '''asajoub'''....''Northgrippian '' :*** '''asejoub'''....''Meghalayan '' === Names of Diacritics === : The Mirad words for diacritics (= accents) are based on the worldwide Unicode 4.0 standard. There are three kinds of diacritics based on where they are positioned relative to the base: ::* <b>aybsiyn</b>....<i>above mark</i> ::* <b>oybsiyn</b>....<i>below mark</i> ::* <b>absiyn</b>....<i>overlay mark</i> : The names are based on some common shapes: ::* <b>nod</b>....<i>dot</i> ::* <b>grun</b>....<i>hook</i> ::* <b>nad</b>....<i>line</i> ::* <b>kin</b>....<i>slash</i> ::* <b>vu</b>....<i>wedge</i> ::* <b>pyaon</b>....<i>wave</i> ::* <b>zyus</b>....<i>ring</i> ::* <b>uz</b>....<i>arch</i> ::* <b>zeymep</b>....<i>bridge</i> ::* <b>izmufseb</b>....<i>arrowhead</i> ::* <b>mar</b>....<i>star</i> : The above shapes can be modified by adjectives: ::* <b>kia</b>....<i>slanted</i> ::* <b>ao</b>....<i>vertical</i> ::* <b>yoga/yaga</b>....<i>short/long</i> ::* <b>en</b>....<i>double</i> ::* <b>yaba/yoba</b>....<i>up/down</i> ::* <b>zua/zia</b>....<i>left/right</i> ::* <b>oyvuzbwa</b>....<i>inverted</i> : Here is a chart listing the most common diacritics in the world's languages. (Note: Mirad does not use diacritics for its native words.) {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;" |+ Mirad Names of Diacritics |- ! Diacritic !! Unicode<br>Value !! Mirad !! Unicode Name |- |<big><b>&#x0301;</b></big>|| 0301||<b> zukin aybsiyn</b>||<i>acute accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0300;</b></big>|| 0300||<b> zukin oybsiyn</b>||<i>acute accent below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030B;</b></big>|| 030B||<b> enzukin aybsiyn</b>||<i>double acute accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0300;</b></big>|| 0300||<b> zikin aybsiyn</b>||<i>grave accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0317;</b></big>|| 0317||<b> zikin oybsiyn</b>||<i>grave accent below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030F;</b></big>|| 030F||<b> enzikin aybsiyn</b>||<i>double grave accent</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0309;</b></big>|| 0309||<b> zigrun aybsiyn</b>||<i>hook above, hoi</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0327;</b></big>|| 0327||<b> zugrun oybsiyn</b>||<i>cedilla</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0328;</b></big>|| 0328||<b> zigrun oybsiyn</b>||<i>ogonek, nasal hook</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0302;</b></big>|| 0302||<b> yobvu aybsiyn</b>||<i>circumflex accent, hat</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032D;</b></big>|| 032D||<b> yobvu oybsiyn</b>||<i>circumflex accent below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030C;</b></big>|| 030C||<b> vu aybsiyn</b>||<i>hachek, v above, caron</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032C;</b></big>|| 032C||<b> vu oybsiyn</b>||<i>caron below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0306;</b></big>|| 0306||<b> yabuz aybsiyn</b>||<i>breve above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0311;</b></big>|| 0311||<b> yobuz aybsin</b>||<i>inverted breve above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032F;</b></big>|| 032F||<b> yobuz oybsin </b>||<i>inverted breve below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0321;</b></big>|| 0321||<b> teumibxwa grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>palatalized hook below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0308;</b></big>|| 0308||<b> ennod aybsiyn</b>||<i>diaeresis above, double dot above, umlaut, trema</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0324;</b></big>|| 0324||<b> ennod oybsiyn</b>||<i>diaeresis below, double dot below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0307;</b></big>|| 0307||<b> nod aybsiyn</b>||<i>dot above, overdot, tecka, tittle</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0323;</b></big>|| 0323||<b> nod oybsiyn</b>||<i>dot below, underdot, nang</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0351;</b></big>|| 0351||<b> zua eynzyus aybsiyn</b>||<i>left half ring above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031C;</b></big>|| 031C||<b> zua eynzyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>left half ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0350;</b></big>|| 0350||<b> zia eynzyus aybsign</b>||<i>right half ring above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0339;</b></big>|| 0339||<b> zia eynzyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>right half ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0305;</b></big>|| 0305||<b> nad aybsiyn</b>||<i>overline, overscore, vinculum</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033F;</b></big>|| 033F||<b> ennad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double overline</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0332;</b></big>|| 0332||<b> nad oybsiyn</b>||<i>single lowline below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0333;</b></big>|| 0333||<b> ennad oybsiyn</b>||<i>double lowline, double underline, double underscore</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0304;</b></big>|| 0304||<b> nad aybsiyn</b>||<i>macron</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0331;</b></big>|| 0331||<b> nad oybsiyn</b>||<i>macron below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035E;</b></big>|| 935E||<b> ennad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double macron, longum</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035F;</b></big>|| 035F||<b> ennad oybsiyn</b>||<i>double macron below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030A;</b></big>|| 030A||<b> zyus aybsiyn</b>||<i>ring above, kroujek, overring</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0325;</b></big>|| 0325||<b> zyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0346;</b></big>|| 0346||<b> zeymep aybsiyn</b>||<i>bridge above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032A;</b></big>|| 032A||<b> zeymep oybsiyn</b>||<i>bridge below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0346;</b></big>|| 0346||<b> oyvuzbwa zeymep aybsiyn</b>||<i>inverted bridge above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033A;</b></big>|| 033A||<b> oyvuzbwa zeymep oybsiyn</b>||<i>inverted bridge below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0309;</b></big>|| 0309||<b> grun aybsiyn</b>||<i>hook above, hoi</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0303;</b></big>|| 0303||<b> pyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>tilde</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0342;</b></big>|| 0342||<b> yagpyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek perispomeni</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0360;</b></big>|| 0360||<b> enpyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>double tilde above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0330;</b></big>|| 0330||<b> pyaon oybsiyn</b>||<i>tilde below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x032B;</b></big>|| 032B||<b> oyvuzbwa enuz oybsiyn</b>||<i>inverted double arch below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033E;</b></big>|| 033E||<b> aonada pyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>vertical tilde, yerik</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031A;</b></big>|| 031A||<b> zua gun aybsiyn</b>||<i>left angle above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030D;</b></big>|| 030D||<b> aonad aybsiyn</b>||<i>vertical line above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030D;</b></big>|| 030D||<b> enaonad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double vertical line above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0329;</b></big>|| 0329||<b> aonad oybsiyn</b>||<i>vertical line below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x030E;</b></big>|| 030E||<b> enaonad aybsiyn</b>||<i>double vertical line above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033D;</b></big>|| 033D||<b> xu aybsiyn</b>||<i>x above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0353;</b></big>|| 0353||<b> xu oybsiyn</b>||<i>x below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033C;</b></big>|| 033C||<b> lapiat oybsiyn</b>||<i>seagull below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0310;</b></big>|| 0310||<b> nod ayb uz aybsiyn</b>||<i>candrabindu</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0352;</b></big>|| 0352||<b> nod oyb uz aybsiyn</b>||<i>fermata</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0314;</b></big>|| 0314||<b> zia grun aybsiyn</b>||<i>right comma above, dasia</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0326;</b></big>|| 0326||<b> zia grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>right comma below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0313;</b></big>|| 0313||<b> zua grun aybsiyn</b>||<i>reversed comma above, psili</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0320;</b></big>|| 0320||<b> gobsiyn oybsiyn</b>||<i>minus sign below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031F;</b></big>|| 031F||<b> gabsiyn oybsiyn</b>||<i>plus sign below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034C;</b></big>|| 034C||<b> yubay ge aybsiyn</b>||<i>almost equals above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0349;</b></big>|| 0349||<b> zua gun oybsiyn</b>||<i>left angle below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x033B;</b></big>|| 033B||<b> ungun oybsiyn</b>||<i>square below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0334;</b></big>|| 0334||<b> Gereda nod-kin-nod aybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek dialytika tonos</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0350;</b></big>|| 0350||<b> zia izmufseb aybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x08F7;</b></big>|| 0356||<b> zia izmufseb ay yabizmufseb oybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead and up arrowhead below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0355;</b></big>|| 0355||<b> zia izmufseb oybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0354;</b></big>|| 0354||<b> zua izmufseb oybsiyn</b>||<i>left arrowhead below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0318;</b></big>|| 0318||<b> zua zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>left tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0319;</b></big>|| 0319||<b> zia zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>right tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031D;</b></big>|| 031D||<b> yob zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>up tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x031E;</b></big>|| 031E||<b> yab zyisebmuv oybsiyn</b>||<i>down tack below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0337;</b></big>|| 0337||<b> yoga kinad absiyn</b>||<i>short slash overlay, short solidus overlay</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0338;</b></big>|| 0338||<b> yaga kinad absiyn</b>||<i>long slash overlay, long solidus overlay</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0321;</b></big>|| 0321||<b> teumibxwa grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>palatalized hook below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0322;</b></big>|| 0322||<b> zoykixwa grun oybsiyn</b>||<i>retroflex hook below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0359;</b></big>|| 0359||<b> mar oybsiyn</b>||<i>asterisk below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035A;</b></big>|| 035A||<b> enzyus oybsiyn</b>||<i>double ring below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0358;</b></big>|| 0358||<b> zinod aybsiyn</b>||<i>dot above right</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035C;</b></big>|| 035C||<b> enyabuz oybsiyn</b>||<i>double breve below, ligature tie below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035D;</b></big>|| 035D||<b> enyabuz aybsiyn</b>||<i>double breve</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0361;</b></big>|| 0361||<b> enyobuz aybsiyn</b>||<i>double inverted breve, top ligature, tie bar</i> |- |<big><b>&#x035B;</b></big>|| 035B||<b> uiznad aybsiyn</b>||<i>zigzag above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0347;</b></big>|| 0347||<b> gese oybsiyn</b>||<i>equals sign below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034C;</b></big>|| 034C||<b> yubgese aybsiyn</b>||<i>almost equal to above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0362;</b></big>|| 0362||<b> enziizmuf oybsiyn</b>||<i>double rightwards arrow below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034E;</b></big>|| 034E||<b> yabizmuf oybsiyn</b>||<i>upwards arrow below</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0329;</b></big>|| 0329||<b> ziizmuf aybsiyn</b>||<i>right arrowhead above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x034A;</b></big>|| 034A||<b> opyaon aybsiyn</b>||<i>not tilde above</i> |- |<big><b>&#x037A;</b></big>|| 037A||<b> iota oybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek ypogegrammeni, iota subscript</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0374;</b></big>|| 0374||<b> Gereda sag aybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek numeral sign, dexia keraia</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0375;</b></big>|| 0375||<b> Gereda sag oybsiyn</b>||<i>Greek lower numeral sign, aristeri keraia</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0651;</b></big>|| 0651||<b> xadda aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic shadda</i> |- |<big><b>&#x065E;</b></big>|| 065E||<b> fatha aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic fatha with two dots</i> |- |<big><b>&#x061A;</b></big>|| 061A||<b> kasra oybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic small kasra</i> |- |<big><b>&#x064C;</b></big>|| 064C||<b> damma aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic dammatan</i> |- |<big><b>&#x0652;</b></big>|| 0652||<b> sukun aybsiyn</b>||<i>Arabic sukun</i> |} === Grammar Terms === :*'''drevyab'''....''grammar'' :*'''dun'''....''word'' :*'''dyen'''....''phrase'' :*'''dyan'''....''sentence'' :** '''delyea'''....''declarative'' :** '''didyea'''....''interrogative'' :** '''azteudyea'''....''exclamatory'' :*'''dyangon'''....''clause'' :** '''agala dyangon'''....''main clause'' :** '''abyosyea dyangon'''....''dependent clause'' :** '''obdabyea dyangon'''....''subordinate clause'' :*'''anyendyen'''....''idiom'' :*'''dalzeyn'''....''language'' :*'''dalzeynes'''....''dialect'' :*'''dalyen'''....''locution'' :*'''dungon'''....''syllable'' :*'''dunog'''....''particle'' :*'''abun'''....''affix'' :** '''zabun'''....''prefix'' :** '''zobun'''....''suffix'' :** '''yebun'''....''infix'' :*'''kyid'''....''stress'' :*'''dredyen'''....''spelling, orthography'' :*'''seuxden'''....''pronunciation'' :*'''dalgon'''....''part of speech'' :**'''sundun'''....''noun'' :**'''avdun'''....''pronoun'' :**'''erdun'''....''verb'' :**'''adun'''....''adjective'' :**'''aydun'''....''adverb'' :**'''ebdun'''....''preposition'' :**'''yanxdun'''....''conjunction'' :**'''oybdun'''....''particle'' :**'''asaundun'''....''article, determiner'' :*'''jobyen'''....''tense'' :** '''eja'''....''present tense'' :** '''aja'''....''past tense'' :** '''oja'''....''future tense'' :** '''vensona'''....''conditional'' :* '''teagun'''....''aspect'' :** '''ikna'''....''perfect'' :** '''oikna'''....''imperfect'' :** '''zaypasyea'''....''progressive'' :*'''tipyen'''....''mood'' :** '''izeadyea'''....''indicative mood'' :** '''ovyamxwa'''....''subjunctive mood'' :*'''teuz'''....''voice'' :** '''axlyea'''....''active'' :** '''xolyea'''....''passive'' :** '''syundabea'''....''transitive'' :** '''osyundabea'''....''intransitive'' :** '''zyinzoyubea'''....''reflexive'' :*'''sankyas'''....''case'' :** '''syina'''....''nominative, subject'' :** '''bina'''....''genitive, possessive'' :** '''buna'''....''dative'' :** '''izsyuna'''....''accusative, direct object'' :** '''oizsyuna'''....''indirect object'' :** '''byina'''....''ablative'' :** '''dyuena'''....''vocative'' :*'''toob'''....''gender'' :** '''twooba'''....''masculine'' :** '''tooyba'''....''feminine'' :** '''evtwooba'''....''neuter'' :*'''sag'''....''number'' :** '''ansaga'''....''singular'' :** '''glasaga'''....''plural'' :*'''sagdun'''....''numeral'' == Forming Adjectives == : You can form an adjective by adding the suffix '''a''' to a substantive, any adverb not ending in '''-ay''', or preposition. By substantive is meant a noun, pronoun, or gerund. Any of these can be adjectivized. : Examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Deriving Adjectives |- ! Noun !! Adjective |- | '''taam'''....''home'' || '''taama'''....''domestic'' |- | '''doob'''....''nation'' || '''dooba'''....''national'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''teja'''....''vital'' |- | '''tyoyapyaf'''....''ability to walk'' || '''tyoyapyafa'''....''ambulatory'' |- | '''martun'''....''astronomy'' || '''martuna'''....''astronomical'' |- ! Pronoun !! Adjective |- | '''at'''....''I, me'' || '''ata'''....''my'' |- | '''eut'''....''yourself'' || '''euta'''....''your own'' |- | '''hiyen'''....''this kind'' || '''hiyena'''....''this kind of'' |- | '''duhot?'''....''who?'' || '''duhota?'''....''whose?'' |- ! Gerund !! Adjective |- | '''ifeken'''....''recreation'' || '''ifekena'''....''recreational'' |- ! Adverb !! Adjective |- | '''yib'''....''far'' || '''yiba'''....''distant'' |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''yaba'''....''high, upper'' |- ! Verb Form !! Adjective (= Participle) |- | '''teje'''....''(he) lives'' || '''tejea'''....''living'' |- | '''tojo'''....''will die'' || '''tojoa'''....''moribund, about to die'' |- | '''tojbu'''....''would kill'' || '''tojbua'''....''lethal'' |- | '''twa'''....''was known'' || '''twaa'''....''known'' (usu. shortened to '''twa''') |} === Adjectival Suffixes === : Various types of adjectives can be created with adjectival suffixes beyond just '''a'''. : Examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Deriving Other Adjectives |- ! Suffix !! Meaning !! Noun !! Adjective |- ! rowspan=3|-ava !!rowspan=3| ''pro-, for'' !! !! |- | '''Usom'''<br>''U.S.'' || '''Usomava'''<br>''pro-U.S.'' |- | '''yuvrin'''<br>''slavery'' || '''yuvrinava'''<br>''pro-slavery'' |- ! rowspan=3|-ova !!rowspan=3| ''anti-, against'' !! !! |- | '''dobvyabyan'''<br>''constitution'' || '''dovyabyanova'''<br>''anti-constitutional'' |- | '''dot'''<br>''society'' || '''dotova'''<br>''anti-social'' |- ! rowspan=5|-aya !!rowspan=5| ''full of, having, -ous, -ful, -ly'' !! !! |- | '''volz'''<br>''color'' || '''volzaya'''<br>''colorful'' |- | '''futax'''<br>''resentment'' || '''futaxaya'''<br>''resentful'' |- | '''tiibil'''<br>''blood'' || '''tiibilaya'''<br>''bloody'' |- | '''yiflan'''<br>''courage'' || '''yiflanaya'''<br>''courageous'' |- ! rowspan=3|-oya !!rowspan=3| ''bereft of, -less, un-'' !! !! |- | '''volz'''<br>''color'' || '''volzoya'''<br>''colorless, pale'' |- | '''tajyaf'''<br>''talent'' || '''tajyafoya'''<br>''untalented'' |- ! rowspan=2|-ika !!rowspan=2| ''full of, -ous, -ful, -y'' !! !! |- | '''map'''<br>''wind'' || '''mapika'''<br>''windy'' |- ! rowspan=2|-uka !!rowspan=2| ''bereft of, without, -less'' !! !! |- | '''nas'''<br>''money'' || '''nasuka'''<br>''broke, penniless'' |- ! rowspan=4|-yena !! rowspan=4|''-like, -ous, -ly, -y, -ish, -ic, -al'' !! !! |- | '''tudet'''<br>''child'' || '''tudetyena'''<br>''childish, infantile'' |- | '''tot'''<br>''god'' || '''totyena'''<br>''divine, godly'' |- | '''pit'''<br>''fish'' || '''pityena'''<br>''fish-like, fishy'' |- ! rowspan=5|-wa or -awa !! rowspan=5|''-ed, past passive participle''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Past Passive Participle |- | '''t-'''<br>''know'' || '''twa'''<br>''known'' |- | '''dal-'''<br>''speak'' || '''dalwa'''<br>''spoken, oral'' |- | '''nixbu-'''<br>''sell'' || '''nixbuwa'''<br>''sold'' |- | '''dr-'''<br>''write'' || '''drawa'''<br>''written'' |- ! rowspan=4|-ea !!rowspan=4| ''-ing''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Present Active Participle |- | '''ot-'''<br>''not know'' || '''otea'''<br>''ignorant'' |- | '''tej-'''<br>''live'' || '''tejea'''<br>''living, alive'' |- | '''tuj-'''<br>''die'' || '''tujea'''<br>''dying'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yea !!rowspan=5| ''-ive, prone to Xing, given to X''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Present Active Participle |- | '''tujb-'''<br>''kill'' || '''tujbyea'''<br>''murderous'' |- | '''tex-'''<br>''think'' || '''texyea'''<br>''pensive, thoughtful'' |- | '''tox-'''<br>''forget'' || '''toxyea'''<br>''forgetful'' |- | '''axl-'''<br>''act'' || '''axlyea'''<br>''active'' |- ! rowspan=5|-uwa !!rowspan=5| ''-able, apt to be Xed''<br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Potential Passive Participle |- | '''ex-'''<br>''operate'' || '''exuwa'''<br>''operable'' |- | '''tos'''<br>''feel'' || '''tosuwa'''<br>''palpable'' |- | '''tex-'''<br>''think'' || '''texuwa'''<br>''conceivable'' |- | '''tel-'''<br>''eat'' || '''teluwa'''<br>''edible'' |- ! rowspan=3|-yafa !!rowspan=3| ''-able, capable of Xing'' <br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Potential Subject-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyafa'''<br>''sightful, able to see'' |- | '''dyed-'''<br>''read'' || '''dyedyafa'''<br>''literate'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yafwa !!rowspan=5| ''-able, possible to be Xed''<br> (added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Potential Object-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyafwa'''<br>''visible'' |- | '''tax-'''<br>''remember'' || '''taxyafwa'''<br>''memorable'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyafwa'''<br>''audible'' |- | '''tel-'''<br>''eat'' || '''telyafwa'''<br>''edible'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yofa !!rowspan=5| ''incapable of Xing'' <br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Negative Potential Subject-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyofa'''<br>''blind'' |- | '''tyoyap-'''<br>''walk'' || '''tyoyapyofa'''<br>''lame'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyofa'''<br>''deaf'' |- | '''dal-'''<br>''speak'' || '''dalyofa'''<br>''dumb, incapable of speaking'' |- ! rowspan=5|-yofwa !!rowspan=5| ''un-X-able'' <br>(added to verb stem) !! Verb Stem !! Negative Potential Object-oriented |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyofwa'''<br>''invisible'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyofa'''<br>''inaudible'' |- | '''tox-'''<br>''forget'' || '''toxyofa'''<br>''unforgetable'' |- | '''dal-'''<br>''speak'' || '''dalyofa'''<br>''unspeakable'' |- ! rowspan=6|-ifa !!rowspan=6| ''fond of, -phile'' !! Noun Stem !! Adjective |- | '''pot'''<br>''animal'' || '''potifa'''<br>''pet-friendly'' |- | '''hyitoob-'''<br>''same-gender'' || '''hyitoobifa'''<br>''homophile'' |- | '''tobot'''<br>''child'' || '''tobotifa'''<br>''pedophile'' |- | '''fitel'''<br>''food'' || '''fitelifa'''<br>''gourmand'' |- | '''doob'''<br>''nation'' || '''doobifa'''<br>''patriotic'' |- ! rowspan=2|-ifwa !!rowspan=2| ''loved by'' !! Noun Stem !! Adjective |- | '''tyod'''<br>''people'' || '''tyodifwa'''<br>''popular'' |- ! rowspan=4|-ufa !!rowspan=4| ''adverse to, hating, miso-, -phobic'' !! Noun Stem !! Adjective |- | '''tob'''<br>''human'' || '''tobufa'''<br>''misanthropic'' |- | '''hyut-'''<br>''other person'' || '''hyutufa'''<br>''xenophobic'' |- | '''toyb-'''<br>''woman'' || '''toybufa'''<br>''misogynist'' |- ! rowspan=5|-ef(w)a !!rowspan=5|''needful of,<br>(necessary to be X-ed)'' !! Noun or Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''til'''<br>''drink'' || '''tilefa'''<br>''thirsty'' |- | '''tel'''<br>''food'' || '''telefa'''<br>''hungry'' |- | '''nas'''<br>''money'' || '''nasefa'''<br>''poor, needy'' |- | '''yelb-'''<br>''to oil'' || '''yelbefwa'''<br>''squeaky, in need of oil'' |- ! rowspan=4|-yef(w)a !!rowspan=4| ''worthy of,<br> due to be (deserving of being X-ed)'' !! Noun or Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''fid'''<br>''praise'' || '''fidyefa'''<br>''praiseworthy'' |- | '''dud'''<br>''answer'' || '''dudyefa'''<br>''responsible'' |- | '''tax-'''<br>''remember'' || '''taxyefwa'''<br>''memorable'' |- ! rowspan=3|-yuk(w)a !!rowspan=3| ''easy to, (easily X-ed)'' !! Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''vatex-'''<br>''believe'' || '''vatexyuka'''<br>''gullible'' |- | '''vatex-'''<br>''believe'' || '''vatexyukwa'''<br>''incredible, hard to believe'' |- ! rowspan=3|-yik(w)a !!rowspan=3| ''hard to,<br>(hard of X-ing)'' !! Verb Stem !! Adjective |- | '''teat-'''<br>''see'' || '''teatyikwa'''<br>''opaque'' |- | '''teet-'''<br>''hear'' || '''teetyika'''<br>''hard of hearing'' |} === Adjectival Prefixes === ==== Negating the Meaning of Adjectives ==== ::: The semantics of an adjective can be reversed with the prefix '''o-'''. ::: Examples: ::::* '''vlea'''....''probable'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>vlea'''....''improbable'' ::::* '''fika'''....''perfect'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>fika'''....''imperfect'' ::::* '''twa'''....''known'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>twa'''....''unknown'' ::::* '''bosa'''....''quiet'' <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>bosa'''....''upset, unquiet'' ::: Note: Occasionally, the prefix '''lo-''' is used to avoid ambiguity, as in the following case: ::::* '''fwa'''....''wanted'' ::::* <big>→</big> '''<u>o</u>fwa'''....''prohibited'' <big><</big> '''ofer'''....''to prohibit'' ::::* <big>→</big> '''<u>yo</u>fwa'''....''impossible'' <big><</big> '''yofer'''....''to be unable'' ::::* <big>→</big> '''<u>lo</u>fwa'''....''unwanted'' <big><</big> '''fer'''....''to want'' (disambiguated) ::: The prefixes '''lyo-''' and '''ov''' are more intense for reversing the meaning of an adjective: ::::* '''data'''....''friendly'' ::::* '''odata'''....''unfriendly'' ::::* '''ovdata'''....''hostile'' ::::* '''lyodata'''....''inimical'' ::::* '''dota'''....''social'' ::::* '''odota'''....''unsocial'' ::::* '''ovdota'''....''antisocial'' ::::* '''lyodota'''....''savage'' ==== Table of Adjective Prefixes ==== ::: As in English, where the sense of adjectives can be altered by a number of prefixes of Germanic, Latin, and Greek origin, the sense of adjectives in Mirad can also be altered with prefixes. Here are the principal ones: :::{| class="wikitable sortable collapsable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Altering the Sense of Adjectives with Prefixes<br>Click on double arrow to alphabetize the column |- ! Mirad Prefix !! English Prefix !! Altered Adjective Examples |- | '''o-''' || ''un-, a(n)-, in-, non-'' ||'''<u>o</u>baka'''....''unhealthy''<br>'''<u>o</u>yezyebeya'''....''incontinent'', '''<u>o</u>yelpea'''....''non-invasive''<br>'''<u>o</u>totina'''....''atheist'' |- |'''ov-''' || ''anti-, counter-'' || '''<u>ov</u>zuina'''....''anti-leftist''<br>'''<u>ov</u>iztida'''....''counter-intuitive'' |- |'''av-''' || ''pro-'' || '''<u>av</u>hyitoosifa'''....''pro-gay'' |- | '''kovyo-''' ||''pseudo-'' || '''<u>kovyo</u>tepina'''....''pseudo-intellectual'' |- | '''hya(s)-''' || ''all-, pan-, omni-'' || '''<u>hyas</u>tea'''....''all-knowing, omniscient'' |- | '''voy-, gal-''' || ''re-'' || '''<u>voy</u>upya'''....''returned''<br>'''<u>gal</u>abwa'''....''<u>re</u>applied'' |- | '''vyo-''' || ''mis-'' || '''<u>vyo</u>seudxwa'''....''mispronounced'' |- | '''eyn-''' || ''semi-, half-'' ||'''<u>eyn</u>levelaya'''....''semi-sweet''<br>'''<u>eyn</u>tija'''....''half-awake'' |- |'''yiz-''' || ''ultra-, super-'' || '''<u>yiz</u>doobina'''....''ultra-nationalist''<br>'''<u>yiz</u>mola'''....''supernatural'' |- | '''gro-''' || ''under-, hypo-'' || '''<u>gro</u>jaga'''....''under-aged'' |- | '''gra-''' || ''over-, hyper-, uber-'' || '''<u>gra</u>agxwa'''....''overgrown''<br>'''<u>gra</u>toseya'''....''hypersensitive'' |- | '''gla-''' ||''multi-, many-, poly-'' || '''<u>gla</u>kuma'''....''multilateral''<br>'''<u>gla</u>tadaya'''....''polygamous'' |- |'''fu-''' || ''mal-, ill-'' || '''<u>fu</u>teyenxwa'''....''ill-conceived''<br>'''<u>fu</u>sanxwa'''....''malformed'' |- | '''fi-''' || ''well-'' || '''<u>fi</u>tofabwa'''....''well-dressed'' |- | '''yuyb-''' ||''quasi-, almost'' || '''<u>yuyb</u>daba'''....''quasi-governmental'' |- | '''ja-''' || ''pre-, (a)fore-, pro-'' ||'''<u>ja</u>teyenxwa'''....''pre-conceived''<br>'''<u>ja</u>igdawa'''....''aformentioned'' |- | '''jo-''' || ''post-'' || '''<u>jo</u>dropeka'''....''post-war'' |- | '''oyeb-'''|| ''extra-, exo-, '' || '''<u>oyeb</u>tada'''....''extra-marital'' |- | '''yeb-''' || ''endo-'' || '''<u>yeb</u>tayoba'''....''endo-dermal'' |- | '''agl(a)-''' || ''macro-'' || '''<u>agla</u>mora'''....''macrocosmic'' |- | '''ogl(a)-''' || ''micro-'' || '''<u>ogla</u>mora'''....''microcosmic'' |- | '''ut-''' || ''auto-, self-, sui-'' || '''<u>ut</u>pana'''....''automatic''<br>'''<u>ut</u>tojbua'''....''suicidal'' |- | '''hyaewa-''' || ''ambi-'' || '''<u>hyaewa</u>tesea'''....''ambivalent'' |- | '''en-''' || ''bi-'' || '''<u>en</u>toobifa'''....''bisexual'' |- | '''yuz-''' || ''circum-'' || '''<u>yuz</u>teaxea'''....''circumspect'' |- | '''gel-''' || ''homo-'' || '''<u>gel</u>sauna'''....''homogeneous'' |- | '''ogel-''' || ''hetero-'' || '''<u>ogel</u>sauna'''....''heterogeneous'' |- | '''oyb-''' || ''infra-, sub-'' || '''<u>oyb</u>ivoza'''....''infrared'' |- | '''ge-''' || ''iso-, equi-'' || '''<u>ge</u>voza'''....''isochromatic'' |- | '''agr(a)-''' || ''mega-'' || '''<u>agra</u>tipa'''....''megamaniacal'' |- | '''ku-''' || ''para-'' || '''<u>ku</u>ega'''....''paranormal'' |- | '''yuyb-''' || ''quasi-, almost, pen-'' || '''<u>yuyb</u>dobyena'''....''quasi-official'' |- | '''yib-''' || ''tele-, far-'' || '''<u>yib</u>pyuxea'''....''far-reaching'' |- | '''zey-''' || ''trans-, cross-'' || '''<u>zey</u>mimaga'''....''transoceanic'' |- | '''aaj-''' || ''paleo-'' || '''<u>aaj</u>toba'''....''paleoloanthropic'' |- | '''eej-''' || ''neo-'' || '''<u>eej</u>visauna'''....''neoclassical'' |- | '''yibaj-''' || ''arch(a)eo-, ancient'' || '''yibajtuna'''....''archaeological'' |- | '''yeb-''' || ''endo-, inner, intro-'' || '''yebzena'''....''endocentric''<br>'''yebuzbwa'''....''introverted'' |- | '''oyeb-''' || ''exo-, outer, ex-, extr(a/o)-'' || '''oyebzena'''....''exocentric''<br>'''oyebuzbwa'''....''extroverted'' |- | '''yab(an)-''' || ''high-, up'' || '''yabnoga'''....''upscale''<br>'''yabnayxa'''....''high-priced'' |- | '''yaban-''' || ''acro-'' || '''yabanyufa'''....''acrophobic'' |- | '''yob-''' || ''low-, down-'' || '''yobnoga'''....''low-grade, down-scale'' |} === English and Mirad Adjectival Suffix Comparison === : Here is a chart showing a comparison between English adjectival suffixes and their Mirad counterparts: :{| class="wikitable sortable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ English and Mirad Adjectival Suffixes Compared |- ! English Suffix !! Meaning !! Mirad Suffix !! Altered Adjective Examples |- | ''-ful'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''voz<u>aya</u>'''....''colorful''<br> '''tuz<u>ika</u>'''....''skillful'' |- | ''-ous'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''naz<u>ika</u>'''....''precious''<br> '''mil<u>aya</u>'''....''aqueous'' |- | ''-filled'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''mov<u>ika</u> / mov<u>aya</u>'''....''smoke-filled'' |- | ''-y'' || full of || '''-aya<br> -ika''' || '''mov<u>ika</u> / mov<u>aya</u>'''....''smoky''<br> |- | ''-ous'' || of<br> like || '''-a''' || '''totin<u>a</u>'''....''religious''<br> '''vyos<u>a</u>'''....''erroneous'' |- | ''-ly'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''tot<u>yena</u>'''....''godly''<br> '''toyb<u>yena</u>'''....''womanly'' |- | ''-like'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''pat<u>yena</u>'''....''bird-like'' |- | ''-ish'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''tobot<u>yena</u>'''....''childish'' |- | ''-y'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''fyab<u>yena</u>'''....''fruity'' |- | ''-ic'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''tuz<u>yena</u>'''....''artistic''<br> '''sil<u>yena</u>'''....''acidic'' |- | ''-ic'' || of<br> related to || '''-a''' || '''tun<u>a</u>'''....''scientific''<br> '''bek<u>a</u>'''....''therapeutic'' |- | ''-ical'' || of<br> related to || '''-a''' || '''zyunid<u>a</u>'''....''spherical''<br> '''iztex<u>a</u>'''....''logical'' |- | ''-ological'' || pertaining to the study of || '''-tuna''' || '''tej<u>tuna</u>'''....''biological'' |- | ''-ist(ic)'' || pertaining to the doctrine of || '''-ina''' || '''dopar<u>ina</u>'''....''militarist(ic)''<br> '''nasyan<u>ina</u>'''....''capitalist(ic)'' |- | ''-ophobic'' (and ''miso-'' prefix) || hating<br> fearful of || '''-ufa''' || '''yudat<u>ufa</u>'''....''xenophonic''<br> '''tobyan<u>ufa</u>'''....''misanthropic'' |- | ''-ophilic'' (and ''philo-'' prefix) || loving || '''-ifa''' || '''tobot<u>ifa</u>'''....''pedophilic''<br> '''tob<u>ifa</u>'''....''philanthropic'' |- | ''-al'' || like || '''-yena''' || '''pyot<u>yena</u>'''....''bestial'' |- | ''-al'' || of<br> pertaining to || '''-a''' || '''tej<u>a</u>'''....''vital''<br> '''aman<u>a</u>'''....''thermal'' |- | ''-less'' || without<br> empty of || '''-oya<br> -uka''' || '''tej<u>uka</u>'''....''lifeless''<br> '''tobot<u>oya</u>'''....''childless'' |- | ''-free'' || without<br> empty of || '''-oya<br> -uka''' || '''yom<u>uka</u>'''....''ice-free''<br> '''vyos<u>oya</u>'''....''error-free'' |- | ''-safe<br> -proof'' || free<br> not subject to || '''-vaka''' || '''mil<u>vaka</u>'''....''water<u>proof</u>'' |} == Forming Adverbs == : Adjectives can be converted into adverbs by post-y-gliding the adjectival suffix '''a''', in other words, by adding a '''y''' to the adjective. Adverbs modify verbs, adjectives, and other adverbs. : Examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Deriving Adverbs |- ! Adjective !! Adverb |- | '''fi<u>a</u>'''....''good'' || '''fi<u>ay</u>'''....''well'' |- | '''vya<u>a</u>'''....''true'' || '''vya<u>ay</u>'''....''truly'' |- | '''gyu<u>a</u>'''....''easy'' || '''gyu<u>ay</u>'''....''easily'' |- | '''ig<u>a</u>'''....''quick'' || '''ig<u>ay</u>'''....''quickly'' |- | '''aut<u>a</u>'''....''personal'' || '''aut<u>ay</u>'''....''personally'' |} : For brevity's sake, the stem of monosyllabic de-adjectival adverbs can be used at the end of a clause or sentence. For example: ::* '''It tyoyape <u>ig</u>.'''....''He walks <u>fast</u>.'' ::* '''Yit xa has <u>fi</u>.'''....''They did it <u>well</u>.'' === Special Adverbs === : Mirad has special adverbs that are not derived from adjectives and may or may not end in '''-ay'''. : Here are the principal such adverbs: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Special Adverbs |- ! Mirad !! English |- | '''vay'''||''indeed, really, certainly, do'' (cf. '''va'''....''yes'') |- | '''vey'''||''possibly, may, might'' (cf. '''ve'''....''maybe'') |- | '''voy'''||''not'' (cf. '''vo'''....''no'') |- | '''ga'''||''more'' (modifying an adjective, adverb, or verb) |- | '''gay'''||''also, moreover, further, still'' |- | '''ge'''||''as, equally'' (modifying an adjective, adverb, or verb) |- | '''gey'''||''even'' |- | '''go'''||''less'' (modifying an adjective, adverb, or verb) |- | '''goy'''||''no longer, no more'' |- | '''gla'''||''very'' |- | '''glay'''||''quite, rather, so'' |- | '''gle'''||''so'' |- | '''glo'''||''not very, not so'' |- | '''gra'''||''too'' |- | '''gre'''||''enough, sufficiently, over-'' |- | '''gro'''||''not...enough, inadequately, under-'' |- | '''gwa'''||''most, super-'' |- | '''gwe'''||''average'' |- | '''gwo'''||''least, sub-'' |- | '''zay'''||''ahead, forward'' |- | '''zey'''||''across'' |- | '''zoy'''||''back'' |- | '''zye'''||''through'' |- | '''zya'''||''throughout'' |} : The first three adverbs in the above chart are used to affirm or emphasize, cast doubt on, or negate verb predicates as in the examples that follow: ::* AFFIRMATIVE: '''Va, at <u>vay</u> se taduwa.'''....''Yes, I am <u>indeed</u> married.'' ::* DUBITIVE: '''Iyta dud se <u>vey</u> vyosa.'''....''Her response is <u>possibly</u> wrong.'' ::* NEGATIVE: '''At <u>voy</u> se eta yuxrut.'''....''I am <u>not</u> your slave.'' : The adverbs above beginning with '''g''' are quantitative adverbs and modify an adjective, verb, or another adverb: ::* '''Et se <u>gla</u> via.'''....''You are <u>very</u> beautiful [=ADJECTIVE].'' ::* '''Et peya <u>gra</u> ig.'''....''You were going <u>too</u> fast [=ADVERB].'' ::* '''It <u>gra</u> dale.'''....''He talks [=VERB] <u>too</u> much.'' : Adverbs can be combined with prepositions to form compound prepositions. If the adverbs ends in '''b''' and the preposition following it begins in '''b''', they are joined together with a single '''b'''. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Compound Prepositions |- ! Special Adverb !! Example |- | '''yab'''....''up'' + '''bu'''....''to'' = '''yabu''' || '''Ha pat papa <u>yabu</u> ha mam.'''....''The bird flew <u>up to</u> the sky.'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' + '''bu'''....''to'' = '''yobu'''|| '''Teaxu <u>yobu</u> ha mel.'''....''Look <u>down to</u> the ground.'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' + '''bi'''....''from'' = '''yobi''' || '''Upu <u>yobi</u> ha abmas!'''....''Come <u>down from</u> the roof!'' |- | '''yub'''....''near'' + '''bi'''....''from'' = '''yubi''' || '''Besu <u>yubi</u> ha mas.'''....''Stay <u>near (from)</u> the wall.'' |- | '''yib'''....''far'' + '''bi'''....''from'' = '''yibi''' || '''Ha tobi igpia <u>yibi</u> ha yovbyokam.'''....''The people ran <u>far from</u> the prison.'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in, inward, inside'' + '''bu'''....''to'' = '''yebu''' || '''Kyedu hat hu ogja tyoyapa <u>yebu</u>ha tam!'''....''Guess who just walked <u>into</u> the house!'' |- | '''oyeb'''....''out, outside'' + '''zye'''....''through'' || '''It tyoyapa <u>oyeb zye</u> ha zames.'''....''He walked <u>out</u> through the front door.'' |- | '''iz'''....''directly, straight'' + '''bu'''....''to'' || '''Pu <u>iz bu</u> hat.'''....''Go <u>right up to</u> him.'' |- | '''zi'''....''right'' + '''ub'''....''toward''|| '''Uzpu <u>zi ub</u> yat!'''....''Turn <u>right toward</u> us!'' |- | '''zu'''....''left'' + '''bi'''....''from''|| '''Hat uzpa <u>zu ib</u> at.'''....''He turned <u>left away from</u> me.'' |- | '''zay'''....''forward'' + '''bu'''....''to'' || '''Pu <u>zay bu</u> ha uj.'''....''Go <u>on to</u> the end.'' |- | '''zoy'''....''back'' + '''bi'''....''from''|| '''Upu <u>zoy bi</u> hua nem.'''....''Come <u>back from</u> that place.'' |- | '''yan'''....''together'' + '''bay'''....''with'' || '''Van yat tyopu <u>yan bay</u> ha hyuti.'''....''Let's walk <u>together with</u> the others.'' |- | '''yon'''....''apart'' + '''bi'''....''from''|| '''Ha meri kyapeye <u>yon bi </u> hyuisi.'''....''The planets are drifting <u>apart from</u> one another.'' |} === Pro-adverbs === : There are also adverbial expressions that are formed with deictic prefixes and categorical stubs to produce what are known as '''''pro-adverbs'''''. These include interrogative pro-adverbs like '''duhom?''' (''where?''), '''duhoyen?''' (''how?''), '''duhoj?''' (''when?''), '''duhogla''' (''to what extent?''), and their answers, such as '''hum''' (''there''), '''heyen''' (''somehow''), and '''hyoj''' (''never''), '''hugla''' (''so, to that extent''). These words are discussed under the chapter on [[Mirad_Grammar/Determiners#Deictic Determiners|Deictic Determiners]]. == Forming Verbs == [[File:Various forms of using the verb "to inform" in LSC.png|thumb|]] : Verbs can be formed from various parts of speech: ::* Noun stems ::* Adjective stems ::* Verb stems === Forming Verbs from Nouns === : Verbs can sometimes be formed from nouns simply by adding the verb infinitive suffix '''er''': :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Denominal Verb Derivation |- ! Noun !! Verb |- | '''ak'''....''a gain'' || '''aker'''....''to win'' |- | '''af'''....''permission'' || '''afer'''....''may, be allowed'' |- | '''teud'''....''cry, shout'' || '''teuder'''....''to cry, shout, exclaim'' |- | '''taj'''....''birth'' || '''tajer'''....''to be born'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''tejer'''....''to live'' |- | '''toj'''....''death'' || '''tojer'''....''to die'' |- | '''ej'''....''present'' || '''ejer'''....''to continue'' |- | '''ij'''....''beginning'' || '''ijer'''....''to begin'' |- | '''uj'''....''end'' || '''ijer'''....''to end'' |- | '''yuj'''....''sleep'' || '''tujer'''....''to sleep'' |} === Verb Formants === : More often, an auxiliary verb or verb stub is used to create various verbs from nouns. The most common such '''''verb formants''''' are in this chart: :* '''-ser'''....''to be/become'' usually intransitive and stative (''unite'' = ''become one'') ::* '''-sler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-srer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-xer'''....''to do/make'' usually transitive and dynamic (''unite'' = ''make one'') ::* '''-xler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-xrer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-per'''....''to go'' usually intransitive and a dynamic verb of motion (''mount'' = ''get onto'') ::* '''-pler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-prer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-ber'''....''to put'' usually transitive and a verb of gesture (''apply'' = ''put onto'') ::* '''-bler'''....(more intensive) ::* '''-brer'''....(most intensive) :* '''-ier''' a stub from the verb '''bier'''....''to take'', usually an action verb benefiting the agent (''eat'' = ''take food'') :* '''-uer''' a stub from the verb '''buer'''....''to give'', usually an action verb benefiting the patient (''feed'' = ''give food'') :* '''-der'''....''to say'', a verb of communication (''affirm'' = ''say yes'') :* '''-drer'''....''to write'' :* '''-ter'''....''to know'', verbs of the perception and knowledge ('''teater''' = ''see'') :: Some of the above formants can be intensified with the liquids '''l''' or '''r''', eg.'''sler, -xler, -xrer, -bler, -prer'''. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Verb Derivation with Verb Formants |- ! Noun !! Auxiliary Verb Or Verb Stub Formant !! Verb |- | '''yav'''....''innocence'' || '''der'''....''to say'' || '''yavder'''....''to acquit'' |- | '''yov'''....''shame, guilt'' || '''aber'''....''to apply, put on'' || '''yovaber'''....''to shame, accuse'' |- | '''yov'''....''shame, guilt'' || '''ober'''....''to remove, take off'' || '''yovober'''....''to excuse, exculpate'' |- | '''tof'''....''clothes'' || '''aber'''....''to apply, put on'' || '''tofaber'''....''to dress, don'' |- | '''tof'''....''clothes'' || '''ober'''....''to remove, take off'' || '''tofober'''....''to undress, strip'' |- | '''det'''....''associate'' || '''ser'''....''to be, become'' || '''detser'''....''to associate'' |- | '''dat'''....''friend'' || '''xer'''....''to do, make'' || '''datxer'''....''to befriend'' |- | '''san'''....''form'' || '''ser'''....''to be, become'' || '''sanser'''....''to form (intransitive)'' |- | '''san'''....''form'' || '''xer'''....''to do, make'' || '''sanxer'''....''to form (transitive)'' |- | '''tel'''....''food'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''telier'''....''to eat, consume'' |- | '''tel'''....''food'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''teluer'''....''to feed, nourish'' |- | '''if'''....''pleasure'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''ifier'''....''to enjoy'' |- | '''if'''....''pleasure'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''ifuer'''....''to please'' |- | '''taj'''....''birth'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tajber'''....''to give birth'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tejper'''....''to come alive'' |- | '''tej'''....''life'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tejber'''....''to bring to life'' |- | '''toj'''....''death'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tojper'''....''to drop dead'' |- | '''toj'''....''death'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tojber'''....''to kill'' |- | '''tij'''....''wakefulness'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tijper'''....''to wake up'' |- | '''tij'''....''wakefulness'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tijber'''....''to awaken'' |- | '''tuj'''....''sleep'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''tujper'''....''to fall asleep'' |- | '''tuj'''....''sleep'' || '''ber'''....''to put'' || '''tujber'''....''to put to sleep'' |- | '''tax'''....''memory'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''taxier'''....''to recall'' |- | '''tax'''....''memory'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''taxuer'''....''to remind'' |- | '''yev'''....''justice'' || '''der'''....''to say, tell'' || '''yevder'''....''to judge'' |- | '''vyan'''....''truth'' || '''der'''....''to say, tell'' || '''vyander'''....''to tell the truth'' |- | '''vyon'''....''falsehood'' || '''der'''....''to say, tell'' || '''vyonder'''....''to tell a lie'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''aker'''....''to gain'' || '''ilaker'''....''to take on liquid'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''oker'''....''to lose'' || '''iloker'''....''to leak, lose liquid'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''(b)ier'''....''to take'' || '''ilier'''....''to soak up'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''(b)uer'''....''to give'' || '''iluer'''....''to pour, water'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ikser'''....''to get full'' || '''ilikser'''....''to be soaked'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ikxer'''....''to fill up'' || '''ilikxer'''....''to flood, soak'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ukser'''....''to become empty'' || '''ilukser'''....''to drain'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ukxer'''....''to empty'' || '''ilukxer'''....''to flush'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''ser'''....''to be, become'' || '''ilser'''....''to liquify, melt'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''xer'''....''to do, make'' || '''ilxer'''....''to liquify, melt'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''aber'''....''to apply, put on'' || '''ilaber'''....''to wash'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''aper'''....''to get on'' || '''ilaper'''....''to float'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''per'''....''to go'' || '''ilper'''....''to flow'' (intransitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''zyaber'''....''to spread'' || '''ilzyaber'''....''to spray, shower'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''zyober'''....''to squeeze'' || '''ilzyober'''....''to squirt'' (transitive) |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''pyexer'''....''to strike'' || '''ilpyexer'''....''to splash (with liquid)'' |- | '''il'''....''liquid'' || '''yujer'''....''to close'' || '''ilyujer'''....''to plug'' |} : Note that verbs ending in '''-ser''' and '''-ier''' are intransitive (they take no object), while those ending in '''-xer''' and '''-uer''' are transitive. Also, '''-ier''' verbs are subject-directed, while '''-uer''' verbs are object-directive or causative (making someone do something). === Forming Verbs from Adjectives With -xer and -ser === : The verbs that are formed from adjectives fall mainly into two groups, the transitive group with '''-xer'''....''to do, make, cause'', and the intransitive group with '''-ser'''....''to be, become''. : The following chart shows how these verbs are formed: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Forming Verbs with Xer and Ser |- ! Adjective !! Transitive Verb !! Intransitive Verb |- | '''aza'''....''strong'' || '''azaxer'''....''fortify, strengthen, make strong'' || '''azaser'''....''get strong'' |- | '''oza'''....''week'' || '''ozaxer'''....''weaken'' || '''ozaser'''....''grow weaker'' |- | '''kyia'''....''heavy'' || '''kyiaxer'''....''weigh down'' || '''kyiaser'''....''grow heavy'' |- | '''kyua'''....''light'' || '''kyuaxer'''....''lighten, make lighter'' || '''kyuaser'''....''get lighter'' |- | '''yana'''....''together'' || '''yanaxer'''....''bring together'' || '''yanaser'''....''get together'' |} : The final adjective ending '''a''' is often dropped to form a verb with a slightly different meaning, usually somewhat more idiomatic. In some cases, dropping the '''a''' makes it clear that the verb is created from a noun rather than an adjective, as in the last example of the following chart: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Comparing Full and Stub Adjectives in Verb Formation |- ! Adjective !! Transitive Verb !! Intransitive Verb |- | '''aga'''....''big'' || '''agaxer'''....''magnify'' || '''agaser'''....''get big'' |- | || '''agxer'''....''grow'' || '''agxer'''....''grow up, mature'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''iga'''....''fast'' || '''igaxer'''....''accelerate'' || '''igaser'''....''speed up'' |- | || '''igxer'''....''rush'' || '''igser'''....''hurry up'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''baka'''....''healthy'' || '''bakaxer'''....''make healthy'' || '''bakaser'''....''get healthy'' |- | || '''bakxer'''....''heal'' || '''bakser'''....''heal'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''sana'''....''formal'' || '''sanaxer'''....''formalize'' || '''sanaser'''....''become formal'' |- | || '''sanxer'''....''form, shape'' || '''sanser'''....''form, take shape'' |} === Forming Verbs of Gesture and Motion with -ber and -per === : Verbs of gesture are formed with the transitive auxiliary verb '''ber'''....''to put'', while parallel verbs of motion are formed with the intransitive auxiliary verb '''per'''....''to go''. These verbs are usually paired and are often built from a prepositional base. If the prepositional base ends in '''b''', the '''b''' is dropped. Here are some examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Verb Derivation with Ber and Per |- ! Preposition<br>Base !! Transitive Gesture Verb !! Intransitive Motion Verb |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''aber'''....''apply, put on'' || '''aper'''....''mount, get on'' |- | '''eb'''....''between'' || '''eber'''....''block'' || '''eper'''....''intervene'' |- | '''ob'''....''off'' || '''ober'''....''remove, take off'' || '''oper'''....''dismount, get off'' |- | '''ib'''....''away'' || '''iber'''....''receive'' || '''iper'''....''leave'' |- | '''ub'''....''toward'' || '''uber'''....''send'' || '''uper'''....''come'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''yab'''....''up'' || '''yaber'''....''raise'' || '''yaper'''....''rise'' |- | '''yeb'''....''in''<br>'''oyeb'''....''out'' || '''yeber'''....''insert''<br>'''oyeber'''....''take out'' || '''yeper'''....''enter''<br>'''oyeper'''....''exit'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''yober'''....''lower'' || '''yoper'''....''descend'' |- | '''yib'''....''far'' || '''yiber'''....''take away'' || '''yiper'''....''move away'' |- | '''yub'''....''near'' || '''yuber'''....''bring'' || '''yuper'''....''approach'' |- ! !! !! |- |- | '''za'''....''front'' || '''zaber'''....''put up front'' || '''zaper'''....''take the lead'' |- | '''zay'''....''forward'' || '''zayber'''....''advance'' || '''zayper'''....''advance, go forward'' |- | '''ze'''....''middle'' || '''zeber'''....''balance'' || '''zeper'''....''balance'' |- | '''zey'''....''across'' || '''zeyber'''....''take across, transfer'' || '''zeyper'''....''cross, go over, transit'' |- | '''zo'''....''behind'' || '''zober'''....''hinder'' || '''zoper'''....''trail, lag'' |- | '''zoy'''....''back'' || '''zoyber'''....''set back, return'' || '''zoyper'''....''retreat, go back, return'' |- ! !! !! |- | '''iz'''....''straight'' || '''izber'''....''guide'' || '''izper'''....''aim for'' |- | '''uz'''....''crooked'' || '''uzber'''....''divert'' || '''uzper'''....''turn, diverge'' |- |- '''zi'''....''right'' || '''ziber'''....''set to the right'' || '''ziper'''....''go right'' |- | '''zu'''....''left'' || '''zuber'''....''set to the left'' || '''zuper'''.... ''go left'' |- | '''yiz'''....''beyond'' || '''yizber'''....''take beyond'' || '''yizper'''....''pass by'' |- | '''yuz'''....''around'' || '''yuzber'''....''take around'' || '''yuzper'''....''go around'' |} ==== Deriving Further Verbs of Gesture and Motion ==== : More elaborate verbs of gesture and motion can be formed by adding positional/directional ordinal vowels along with combinations of '''ser''' and '''xer''', plus the intensifiers '''y''', '''l''' and '''r'''. In this more complex scheme, the stem-initial '''p''' is a more semantically intense version of '''b'''. Also the verb endings '''-sler''' and '''-srer''' and more intense versions of the intransitive ending '''-ser''', while '''-xler''' and '''-xrer''' and more intense version of the transitve ending '''-xer'''. Verbs ending in '''-ler''' and '''-rer''' are transitive voice by nature, '''-rer''' being more semantically intense. Prepositions can be prefixed to change the direction of the gestures or motions. :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Creating More Elaborate Verbs |- ! colspan="2"| Gesture Verb !! colspan="2"| Motion Verb |- ! Intransitive !! Transitive !! Intransitive !! Transitive |- | -- ||'''ber'''....''put'' <br>'''beer'''....''have'' <br>'''beler'''....''carry'' <br>'''bexer'''....''hold'' <br>'''bexler'''....''keep'' | '''per'''....''go''||-- |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''baer'''....''lean on'' || '''baler'''....''press''<br>'''yanbaler'''....''compress''<br>'''yobaler'''....''depress, suppress''<br>'''yuzbaler'''....''hug''<br>'''zoybaler'''....''repress''<br>'''barer'''....''crush'' ||'''paer'''....''hover'' || |- |'''baser'''....''gesticulate'' || '''baxer'''....''make a gesture''<br>'''abaxer'''....''caress, pat'' || '''paser'''....''move''||'''paxer'''....''move'' |- |'''byaser'''....''stand up'' || '''byaxer'''....''set up, erect'' || '''pyaser'''....''jump up'' || '''pyaxer'''....''shoot, launch'' |- |'''basler'''....''budge'' || '''baxler'''....''rouse''<br>'''abaxler'''....''stroke'' || '''paaser'''....''get excited'' || '''paaxer'''....''excite''<br>'''apaxler'''....''sweep'' |- |'''basrer'''....''shake'' || '''baxrer'''....''shake''<br>'''abaxrer'''....''rub'' || || '''apaxrer'''....''scrub'' |- ! !! !! !! |- |'''beser'''....''stay'' || '''bexer'''....''hold''<br>'''zoybexer'''....''restrain''<br>'''yobexer'''....''detain, hold down'' || '''peser'''....''wait'' || '''pexer'''....''trap''<br>'''pexler'''....''capture''<br>'''pexrer'''....''abduct'' |- |'''byeser'''....''behave''|| '''byexer'''....''hit'' || '''pyeser'''....''run into, bump into''|| '''pyexer'''....''strike, knock''<br>'''yonpyexer'''....''break''<br>'''yopyexer'''....''knock down''<br>'''epyexer'''....''fight''<br>'''apyexer'''....''attack''<br>'''ovpyexer'''....''offend''<br>'''kunpyexer'''....''sideswipe''<br>'''tuyapyexer'''....''slap'' |- |'''besler'''....''adhere'' || '''bexler'''....''retain''|| || '''pyexler'''....''pound, beat''<br>'''apyexler'''....''assault''<br>'''yonpexler'''....''shatter, burst'' |- | || || '''yanpyesrer'''....''implode''<br>'''yonpyesler'''....''explode'' || '''pyexler'''....''blast, bomb'' |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''boser'''....''calm down''<br>'''boyser'''....''rest'' || '''boxer'''....''quieten, quell'' || '''poser'''....''stop''<br>'''poyser'''....''pause'' || '''poxer'''....''stop'' |- | '''byoser'''....''hang'' || '''byoxer'''....''hang'' || '''pyoser'''....''fall''<br>'''yonpyoser'''....''decay'' || '''pyoxer'''....''drop, throw down''<br>'''yopyoxer'''....''topple''<br> |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''biser'''....''originate'' || '''bixer'''....''pull''<br>'''yanbixer'''....''contract''<br>'''yonbixer'''....''distract''<br>'''yubixer'''....''attract''<br>'''yibixer'''....''distract''<br>'''oyebixer'''....''extract''<br>'''yebixer'''....''push in'' || || '''pixer'''....''catch'' |- |'''bisler'''....''spring'' || '''bixler'''....''yank''<br>'''bixrer'''....''ravage'' || || '''pixler'''....''snatch''<br>'''pixrer'''....''rape'' |- ! !! !! !! |- | '''buser'''....''be destined'' || '''buxer'''....''push, drive''<br>'''zyobuxer'''....''squeeze''<br>'''yebuxer'''....''expel''<br>'''abuxer'''....''impose'' || '''apuser'''....''assault'' || '''puxer'''....''throw, thrust'' |- |'''byuser'''....''bump into'' || '''byuxer'''....''touch''<br>'''yanbyuxer'''....''contact'' ||'''pyuser'''....''run into'' || '''pyuxer'''....''crash'' |- |'''busler'''....''swoop'' || '''buxler'''....''shove'' || '''pusler'''....''lunge, pounce'' || '''puxler'''....''thrust''<br>'''zyapuxler'''....''splatter'' |} === Deriving New Verbs with Prefixes === : Yet more complex verbs can be generated by adding directional and positional prefixes to the above verbs. Let's just take the one verb '''baxer''' (and its intransitive partner '''baser''') as our base verb and generate many others through prefixation of prepositional and other words as shown in the following chart: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Baxer Verbs |- ! Prefix !! Verb |- ! colspan=2 | '''baxer'''....''gesture, make a bodily motion'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' || '''abaxer'''....''caress, pat, pet, stroke, rub'' |- | '''iz'''....''straight'' || '''izbaxer'''....''point'' |- | '''teb'''....''head'' || '''tebaxer'''....''nod'' |- | '''va'''....''yes'' || '''vatebaxer'''....''nod yes'' |- | '''vo'''....''no'' || '''votebaxer'''....''nod no'' |- | '''ve'''....''maybe'' || '''vetebaxer'''....''shrug'' |- | '''tuyab'''....''hand'' || '''tuyabaxer'''....''wave'' |- | '''tub'''....''arm'' || '''tubaxer'''....''flail, swing'' |- | '''teubab'''....''tongue'' || '''teubabaxer'''....''lick'' |- | '''teab'''....''eye'' || '''teubaxer'''....''wink'' |- | '''patub'''....''wing'' || '''patubaxer'''....''flap'' |- | '''tiyub'''....''tail'' || '''tiyubaxer'''....''wag'' |- ! colspan=2 | '''baser'''....''gesticulate'' |- | '''ig-'''....''fast'' || '''igbaser'''....''jerk'' |- | '''zay'''....''forward'' || '''igzaybaser'''....''lurch'' |- | '''zoy'''....''back'' || '''zoybaser'''....''recoil'' |- | '''yob'''....''down'' || '''yobaser'''....''bow, bend down'' |- | '''ku-'''....''side'' || '''kubaser'''....''slide'' |- | '''ig-'''....''fast'' || '''igkubaser'''....''slip'' |- | '''iz'''....''straight'' + '''uz'''....''curved'' || '''uizbaser'''....''sway, swagger, swish'' |- | '''zi'''....''right'' + '''zu'''....''left'' || '''zuibaser'''....''wiggle, wobble, totter'' |} === Forming Frequentative Verbs === : A frequentative verb, that is, one that involves an action done quickly multiple times in succession, can be formed by prefixing the syllable '''je-''' to the verb. Here are some examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ The -eg- Frequentative Infix |- ! Regular Verb !! Frequantative Verb |- | '''paser'''....''move'' || '''jepaser'''....''shake, shudder'' |- | '''pyaser'''....''jump'' || '''jepyaser'''....''bounce'' |- | '''paper'''....''fly'' || '''jepaper'''....''flutter, flit'' |- | '''braser'''....''shake'' || '''jebraser'''....''shudder, quiver, vibrate'' |- | '''teupixer'''....''bite'' || '''jeteupiger'''....''nibble'' |- | '''ilzyaber'''....''spray'' || '''jeilzyaber'''....''sprinkle'' |- | '''pyexer'''....''beat'' || '''jepyexer'''....''batter, whip'' |} === Forming Hybrid Words === : Expressions with alternating components like ''back-and-forth'', ''up-and-down'', etc. are formed in a peculiar, hybrid way. The following table shows this formation and how such words can be used, especially as prefixes on verbs: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ Hybrid Words |- ! Alternative Components !! Hybrid Expression !! Examples |- | '''yab'''....''up'' +<br>'''yob'''....''down'' || '''yao(b)-'''....''up-and-down'' || '''yaoper'''....''fluctuate'', '''yaopuser'''....''bounce'' |- | '''a-'''....''up, north, skyward'' +<br>'''o-'''....''down, south'' || '''ao-'''....''vertical'' || '''aonada'''....''vertical'', '''aonab'''....''column'' |- | '''za(y)'''....''forth, north'' +<br>'''zo(y)'''....''back, south'' || '''zao(b)-'''....''front-back/north-to-south'' || '''zaobaser'''....''rock'', '''zaomera'''....''north/south'' |- |- '''zu'''....''left/west'' +<br>'''zi'''....''right/east'' || '''zui(b)-'''....''right-to-left/east-to-west'' || '''zuinada'''....''horizontal'', '''zuibaser'''....''wiggle'', '''zuimera'''....''east/west'' |- | '''bu'''....''to'' +<br>'''bi'''....''from'' || '''bui-'''....''to-and-from'' || '''buipar'''....''shuttle'', '''buipop'''....''round-trip'' |- | '''ab'''....''on'' +<br>'''ob'''....''off'' || '''ao(b)-'''....''on-and-off'' || '''aoper'''....''get on and off'' |- | '''yuj-'''....''closed'' +<br>'''yij-'''....''open'' || '''yuij-'''....''open-and-shut'' || '''yuijbar'''....''switch'', '''igyuijer'''....''blink'' |- | '''uj-'''....''stop'' +<br>'''ij-'''....''start'' || '''uij-'''....''stop-and-start'' || '''uijparpan'''....''stop-and-go traffic'' |- | '''(a)yeb'''....''in'' +<br>'''oyeb'''....''out'' || '''aoye(b)-'''....''in-and-out'' || '''igaoyeper'''....''run in-and-out'' |- | '''yub'''....''near'' +<br>'''yib'''....''far'' || '''yui(b)-'''....''near-and-far'' || '''yuipoper'''....''travel near-and-far'' |- | '''ub'''....''toward'' +<br>'''ib'''....''away'' || '''ui(b)-'''....''toward-and-away'' || '''uipen'''....''coming and going'' |- | '''hum'''....''there'' +<br>'''him'''....''here'' || '''huim'''....''here-and-there'' || '''huimkexer'''....''search high-and-low (here-and-there)'' |- | '''hus'''....''that'' +<br>'''his'''....''this'' || '''huis'''....''this-and-that'' || '''huisyexer'''....''do odd jobs, work at this-or-that'' |- | '''hyut'''....''other person'' +<br>'''hyit'''....''same person'' || '''hyuit'''....''one another'' || '''hyuitifer'''....''love one another'', '''hyuita'''....''mutual, reciprocal'' |} : Here are some more examples: :{| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow;font-size:smaller;" |+ More Hybrids ! Hybrid Word !! English Gloss !! Alternating Components |- |'''aogsen'''||'' fluctuation (in size) ''|| '''ag-''' (''big'') + '''og-''' (''little'') + '''s-''' (''become'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''aonada'''||''vertical ''|| '''a-''' (''up/north'') + '''o-''' (''down/south'') + '''nad''' (''line'') + '''-a''' (''adj.'') |- |'''aopuys'''||'' hop-on-hop-off ''|| '''a(p)-''' (''on'') + '''o(p)-''' (''off'') + '''puys-''' (''hop'') |- |'''buien'''||'' trading, swapping ''|| '''bu-''' (''give'') + '''bi-''' (''trake'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''buip'''||'' traffic ''|| '''bu-''' (''to'') + '''bi-''' (''from'') + '''p-''' (''go'') |- |'''buixar'''||''spring''|| '''bux-''' (''push'') + '''bix''' (''pull'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''buixek'''||'' tug-o-war ''|| '''bux-''' (''push'') + '''bix-''' (''pull'') + '''ek''' (''play'') |- |'''buixnyem'''||'' drawer ''|| '''bux-''' (''push'') + '''bix-''' (''pull'') + '''nyem''' (''box'') |- |'''byaosen'''||'' teetering, stumbling ''|| '''byas-''' (''stand'') + '''byos-''' (''fall'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''diep'''||'' marine force ''|| '''dip''' (''sea force'') + '''dep''' (''land force'') |- |'''duid'''||'' q&a, interview ''|| '''dud''' (''answer'') + '''did''' (''question'') |- |'''eigpyexer''' || ''batter, whip'' || '''eg-''' (''again'') + '''ig-''' (''fast'') + '''pyexer''' (''to hit'') |- |'''gao'''||'' more-or-less ''|| '''ga''' (''more'') + '''go''' (''less'') |- |'''glaojo'''||'' sooner or later ''|| '''gla''' (''very'') + '''glo''' (''slightly'') + '''jo''' (''after'') |- | '''huimkexer''' || ''search here and there'' || '''hu-''' (''that'') + '''hi-''' (''this'') + '''-m''' (''place'') + '''kex''' (''search'') + '''-er''' (''inf.'') |- |'''huis'''||'' this-and-that ''|| '''hu-''' (''that'') + '''hi-''' (''this'') + '''-s''' (''thing'') |- |'''hyuit'''||'' one another ''|| '''hyu-''' (''other'') + '''hyi-''' (''same'') + '''-t''' (''person'') |- |'''kyaopen'''||'' fluctuation ''|| '''kya-''' (''mobile'') + '''kyo''' (''static'') + '''-pen''' (''going'') |- |'''maluier'''||'' breathe ''|| '''mal-''' (''air'') + '''u-''' (''let out'') + '''i-''' (''take in'') '''-er''' (''inf.'') |- |'''maojyex'''||'' double-shift work ''|| '''maj''' (''day'') + '''moj''' (''night'') + '''yex''' (''work'') |- |'''maonig'''||'' flicker ''|| '''man''' (''light'') + '''mon''' (''dark'') + '''ig-''' (''fast'') |- |'''maolza'''||'' black&white/gray ''|| '''malza''' (''white'') + '''molza''' (''black'') |- |'''meil'''||'' mud ''|| '''mel''' (''soil'') + '''mil''' (''water'') |- |'''memuiben'''||'' import-exports ''|| '''mem''' (''country'') + '''ub-''' (''send'') + '''ib-''' (''receive'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''mial'''||'' vapor ''|| '''mil''' (''water'') + '''mal''' (''air'') |- |'''mieg'''||'' reef ''|| '''mi-''' (''sea'') + '''me-''' (''land'') + '''-g''' (''stone'') |- |'''miek'''||'' sand ''|| '''mi-''' (''sea'') + '''me-''' (''land'') + '''-k''' (''rocky substance'') |- |'''miem'''||'' swamp ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''mem''' (''land'') |- |'''mimpuin'''||'' dock ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''pu-''' (''arrive'') + '''pi-''' (''depart'') + '''-m''' (''place'') |- |'''mimpyaos'''||'' surf ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''pyas-''' (''surge'') + '''pyos-''' (''sink'') |- |'''mimuip'''||'' tide ''|| '''mim''' (''sea'') + '''up-''' (''come'') + '''ip-''' (''go'') |- |'''peit'''||'' amphibian ''|| '''pet''' (''land animal'') + '''pit''' (''sea creature'') |- |'''puim'''||'' kiss-and-ride zone''|| '''pu-''' (''arrive'') + '''pi-''' (''depart'') + '''-m''' (''place'') |- |'''puixek'''||'' baseball ''|| '''pux-''' (''pitch'') + '''pix-''' (''catch'') + '''ek''' (''play'') |- | '''pyaos''' || ''wave'' || '''pyas-''' (''surge'') + '''pyos-''' (''crest'') |- |'''teabyuij'''||'' blink ''|| '''teab''' (''eye'') + '''yuj-''' (''close'') + '''yij-''' (''open'') |- |'''tuijea'''||'' nodding off ''|| '''tuj-''' (''sleep'') + '''tij''' (''wake'') '''-ea''' (''-ing'') |- |'''uijdal'''||'' stutter ''|| '''uj-''' (''finish'') + '''ij-''' (''start'') + '''dal''' (''speech'') |- |'''uipeni'''||'' comings & goings ''|| '''up-''' (''come'') + '''ip''' (''go'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') + '''-i''' (''pl.'') |- |'''uiza'''||'' serpentine, snaky ''|| '''uza''' (''crooked'') + '''iza''' (''straight'') |- |'''vao?'''||'' yes or no? ''|| '''va''' (''yes'') + '''vo''' (''no'') |- |'''vaod'''||'' decision ''|| '''va''' (''yes'') + '''vo''' (''no'') + '''d-''' (''say'') |- |'''yaobar'''||'' elevator ''|| '''yab-''' (''raise'') + '''yob-''' (''lower'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yaobyuijar'''||''piston''|| '''yab-''' (''raise'') + '''yob-''' (''lower'') + '''yuj-''' (''close'') + '''yij-''' (''open '') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yaoplas'''||''oscillation''|| '''yap-''' (''up'') + '''yop-''' (''down'') + '''plas''' (''shake'') |- |'''yaopsim'''||''seesaw''|| '''yap-''' (''ascend'') + '''yop-''' (''descend'') + '''sim''' (''seat'') |- |'''yaopus'''||''bounce''|| ya(''b'')'''-''' (''up'') + yo(''b'')'''-''' (''down'') + '''pus''' (''jump'') |- |'''yaovdut'''||''juror''|| '''yav-''' (''innocent'') + '''yov-''' (''guilty'') + '''d-''' (''say'') + '''-ut''' (''agent'') |- |'''yaoza'''||''uneven, bumpy, serrated''|| '''yaza''' (''convex'') + '''yoza''' (''concave'') |- |'''yaozgoblar'''||''saw''|| '''yaz''' (''protrusion '') + '''yoz''' (''indentation'') + '''gobl-''' (''cut'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yaozil'''||''wave''|| '''yaz''' (''swell'') + '''yoz''' (''trough'') + '''-il''' (''liquid'') |- |'''yuibteabar'''||''bifocals''|| '''yub''' (''near'') + '''yib''' (''far'') + '''teab''' (''eye'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''yuijar'''||'' valve, switch''|| '''yuj-''' (''close'') + '''yij-''' (''open'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''zaobelur'''||''ferry''|| '''za-''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''bel-''' (''carry'') + '''-ur''' (''vehicle'') |- |'''zaobyexar'''||''swatter, bat''|| '''za''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''byex-''' (''strike'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''zaodal'''||''dialog''|| '''za-''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''dal''' (''speech'') |- |'''zaogoblar'''||''saw''|| '''za''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''gobl''' (''cut'') + '''-ar''' (''instrument'') |- |'''zaokyax'''||''alternation''|| '''za''' (''forth'') + '''zo''' (''back'') + '''kyax''' (''change'') |- |'''zaopasen'''||''swinging''|| '''za-''' (''forth'') + '''zo-''' (''back'') + '''pasen''' (''moving'') |- |'''zaopsim'''||''swing or rocker''|| '''zap-''' (''go forth'') + '''zap''' (''go back'') + '''sim''' (''seat'') |- |'''zuibasen'''||''wiggling''|| '''zu-''' (''left'') + '''zi-''' (''right'') + '''bas-''' (''move bodily'') + '''-en''' (''-ing'') |- |'''zuibayx'''||''wag''|| '''zu-''' (''left'') + '''zi-''' (''right'') + '''bayx-''' (''slight body move'') |- |'''zuibyoxea'''||''dangling''|| '''zu''' (''left'') + '''zi''' (''right'') + '''byox-''' (''hang down'') + '''-ea''' (''-ing'') |- |'''zuiyafa'''||''ambidextrous''|| '''zu-''' (''left'') + '''zi-''' (''right'') + '''yafa''' (''capable'') |- |'''zyaobas'''||''throb''|| '''zya-''' (''wide'') + '''zyo-''' (''narrow'') + '''bas''' (''bodily movement'') |} <noinclude>{{Chapter navigation with TOC|Acronyms and Abbreviations|Word Families}}</noinclude> q2g00j0sb6p9btezefnzwqw1rzl08vw 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style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F75x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F76x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F77x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F78x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F79x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F80x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F81x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F82x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F83x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F84x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F85x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F86x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F87x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F88x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F89x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F90x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F91x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F92x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F93x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F94x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F95x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F96x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F97x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F98x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F99x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FABx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FACx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FADx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBBx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBCx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBDx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Enclosed Alphanumeric Extended-A''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !width="4%"|U+!!width="6%"|0!!width="6%"|1!!width="6%"|2!!width="6%"|3!!width="6%"|4!!width="6%"|5!!width="6%"|6!!width="6%"|7!!width="6%"|8!!width="6%"|9!!width="6%"|A!!width="6%"|B!!width="6%"|C!!width="6%"|D!!width="6%"|E!!width="6%"|F |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC4x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY ONE|&#x3fc40;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY TWO|&#x3fc41;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY THREE|&#x3fc42;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FOUR|&#x3fc43;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FIVE|&#x3fc44;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SIX|&#x3fc45;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SEVEN|&#x3fc46;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY EIGHT|&#x3fc47;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY NINE|&#x3fc48;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY|&#x3fc49;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY ONE|&#x3fc4a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY TWO|&#x3fc4b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY THREE|&#x3fc4c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FOUR|&#x3fc4d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FIVE|&#x3fc4e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x3fc4f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC5x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x3fc50;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x3fc51;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x3fc52;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x3fc53;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x3fc54;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x3fc55;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x3fc56;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x3fc57;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x3fc58;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x3f559;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x3fc5a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x3fc5b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x3fc5c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x3fc5d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x3fc5e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x3fc5f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC6x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x3fc60;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x3fc61;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x3fc62;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x3fc63;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x3fc64;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x3fc65;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x3fc66;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x3fc67;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIGN|&#x3fc68;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED DOLLAR SIGN|&#x3f569;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED PERCENT SIGN|&#x3fc6a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED AMPERSAND|&#x3fc6b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED PERMILE SIGN|&#x3fc6c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED INTERROBANG|&#x3fc6d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED EXCLAMATION MARK|&#x3fc6e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED QUESTION MARK|&#x3fc6f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC7x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY SIX|&#x3fc70;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY SEVEN|&#x3fc71;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY EIGHT|&#x3fc72;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY NINE|&#x3fc73;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY|&#x3fc74;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY ONE|&#x3fc75;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY TWO|&#x3fc76;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY THREE|&#x3fc77;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY FOUR|&#x3fc78;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY FIVE|&#x3f579;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY SIX|&#x3fc7a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY SEVEN|&#x3fc7b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY EIGHT|&#x3fc7c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENT NINE|&#x3fc7d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER EIGHTY|&#x3fc7e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED TIRONIAN SIGN ET|&#x3fc7f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC8x |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED DIGIT ZERO|&#x3fc80;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT ZERO|&#x3fc81;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT ONE|&#x3fc82;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT TWO|&#x3fc83;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT THREE|&#x3fc84;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT FOUR|&#x3fc85;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT FIVE|&#x3fc86;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT SIX|&#x3fc87;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT SEVEN|&#x3fc88;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT EIGHT|&#x3f589;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT NINE|&#x3fc8a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT TEN|&#x3fc8b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER A|&#x3fc8c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER B|&#x3fc8d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER C|&#x3fc8e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER D|&#x3fc8f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC9x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER E|&#x3fc90;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER F|&#x3fc91;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER G|&#x3fc92;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER H|&#x3fc93;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER I|&#x3fc94;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER J|&#x3fc95;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER K|&#x3fc96;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER L|&#x3fc97;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER M|&#x3fc98;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER N|&#x3fc99;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER O|&#x3fc9a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER P|&#x3fc9b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Q|&#x3fc9c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER R|&#x3fc9d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER S|&#x3fc9e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER T|&#x3fc9f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCAx |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER U|&#x3fca0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER V|&#x3fca1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER W|&#x3fca2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER X|&#x3fca3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Y|&#x3fca4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Z|&#x3fca5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AA|&#x3fca6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AB|&#x3fca7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AD|&#x3fca8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AE|&#x3fca9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AH|&#x3fcaa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AM|&#x3fcab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AO|&#x3fcac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AS|&#x3fcad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AU|&#x3fcae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AZ|&#x3fcaf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCBx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BA|&#x3fcb0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BB|&#x3fcb1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BD|&#x3fcb2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BG|&#x3fcb3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BJ|&#x3fcb4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BK|&#x3fcb5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BM|&#x3fcb6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BO|&#x3fcb7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BP|&#x3fcb8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BQ|&#x3fcb9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BR|&#x3fcba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BU|&#x3fcbb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BX|&#x3fcbc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BY|&#x3fcbd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BZ|&#x3fcbe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CA|&#x3fcbf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCCx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CC|&#x3fcc0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CD|&#x3fcc1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CE|&#x3fcc2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CH|&#x3fcc3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CI|&#x3fcc4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CJ|&#x3fcc5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CK|&#x3fcc6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CL|&#x3fcc7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CM|&#x3fcc8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CN|&#x3fcc9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CO|&#x3fcca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CP|&#x3fccb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CR|&#x3fccc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CS|&#x3fccd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CT|&#x3fcce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CU|&#x3fccf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCDx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CV|&#x3fcd0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CY|&#x3fcd1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CZ|&#x3fcd2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DA|&#x3fcd3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DB|&#x3fcd4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DC|&#x3fcd5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DD|&#x3fcd6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DE|&#x3fcd7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DH|&#x3fcd8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DJ|&#x3fcd9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DK|&#x3fcda;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DM|&#x3fcdb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DO|&#x3fcdc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DP|&#x3fcdd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DR|&#x3fcde;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DT|&#x3fcdf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#aeaf4a" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCEx |style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DU|&#x3fce0;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DY|&#x3fce1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN|&#x3fce2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWELVE|&#x3fce3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER THIRTEEN|&#x3fce4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER FOURTEEN|&#x3fce5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTEEN|&#x3fce6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTEEN|&#x3fce7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTEEN|&#x3fce8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER EIGHTEEN|&#x3fce9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER NINETEEN|&#x3fcea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWENTY|&#x3fceb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER ONE|&#x3fcec;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWO|&#x3fced;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER THREE|&#x3fcee;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER FOUR|&#x3fcef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FDAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" 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style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Enclosed Alphanumeric Extended-A''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !width="4%"|U+!!width="6%"|0!!width="6%"|1!!width="6%"|2!!width="6%"|3!!width="6%"|4!!width="6%"|5!!width="6%"|6!!width="6%"|7!!width="6%"|8!!width="6%"|9!!width="6%"|A!!width="6%"|B!!width="6%"|C!!width="6%"|D!!width="6%"|E!!width="6%"|F |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC4x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY ONE|&#x3fc40;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY TWO|&#x3fc41;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY THREE|&#x3fc42;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FOUR|&#x3fc43;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FIVE|&#x3fc44;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SIX|&#x3fc45;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SEVEN|&#x3fc46;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY EIGHT|&#x3fc47;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY NINE|&#x3fc48;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY|&#x3fc49;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY ONE|&#x3fc4a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY TWO|&#x3fc4b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY THREE|&#x3fc4c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FOUR|&#x3fc4d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FIVE|&#x3fc4e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x3fc4f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC5x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x3fc50;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x3fc51;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x3fc52;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x3fc53;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x3fc54;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x3fc55;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x3fc56;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x3fc57;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x3fc58;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x3f559;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x3fc5a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x3fc5b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x3fc5c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x3fc5d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x3fc5e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x3fc5f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC6x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x3fc60;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x3fc61;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x3fc62;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x3fc63;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x3fc64;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x3fc65;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x3fc66;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x3fc67;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIGN|&#x3fc68;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED DOLLAR SIGN|&#x3f569;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED PERCENT SIGN|&#x3fc6a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED AMPERSAND|&#x3fc6b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED PERMILE SIGN|&#x3fc6c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED INTERROBANG|&#x3fc6d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED EXCLAMATION MARK|&#x3fc6e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED QUESTION MARK|&#x3fc6f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC7x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY SIX|&#x3fc70;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY SEVEN|&#x3fc71;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY EIGHT|&#x3fc72;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY NINE|&#x3fc73;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY|&#x3fc74;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY ONE|&#x3fc75;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY TWO|&#x3fc76;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY THREE|&#x3fc77;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY 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FIVE|&#x3fc86;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT SIX|&#x3fc87;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT SEVEN|&#x3fc88;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT EIGHT|&#x3f589;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT NINE|&#x3fc8a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT TEN|&#x3fc8b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER A|&#x3fc8c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER B|&#x3fc8d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER C|&#x3fc8e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER D|&#x3fc8f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC9x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER E|&#x3fc90;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER F|&#x3fc91;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER G|&#x3fc92;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER H|&#x3fc93;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER I|&#x3fc94;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER J|&#x3fc95;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER K|&#x3fc96;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER L|&#x3fc97;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER M|&#x3fc98;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER N|&#x3fc99;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER O|&#x3fc9a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER P|&#x3fc9b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Q|&#x3fc9c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER R|&#x3fc9d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER S|&#x3fc9e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER T|&#x3fc9f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCAx |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER U|&#x3fca0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER V|&#x3fca1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER W|&#x3fca2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER X|&#x3fca3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Y|&#x3fca4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Z|&#x3fca5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AA|&#x3fca6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AB|&#x3fca7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AD|&#x3fca8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AE|&#x3fca9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AH|&#x3fcaa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AM|&#x3fcab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AO|&#x3fcac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AS|&#x3fcad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AU|&#x3fcae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AZ|&#x3fcaf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCBx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BA|&#x3fcb0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BB|&#x3fcb1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BD|&#x3fcb2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BG|&#x3fcb3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BJ|&#x3fcb4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BK|&#x3fcb5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BM|&#x3fcb6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BO|&#x3fcb7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BP|&#x3fcb8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BQ|&#x3fcb9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BR|&#x3fcba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BU|&#x3fcbb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BX|&#x3fcbc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BY|&#x3fcbd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BZ|&#x3fcbe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CA|&#x3fcbf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCCx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CC|&#x3fcc0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CD|&#x3fcc1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CE|&#x3fcc2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CH|&#x3fcc3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CI|&#x3fcc4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CJ|&#x3fcc5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CK|&#x3fcc6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CL|&#x3fcc7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CM|&#x3fcc8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CN|&#x3fcc9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CO|&#x3fcca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CP|&#x3fccb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CR|&#x3fccc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CS|&#x3fccd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CT|&#x3fcce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CU|&#x3fccf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCDx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CV|&#x3fcd0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CY|&#x3fcd1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CZ|&#x3fcd2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DA|&#x3fcd3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DB|&#x3fcd4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DC|&#x3fcd5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DD|&#x3fcd6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DE|&#x3fcd7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DH|&#x3fcd8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DJ|&#x3fcd9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DK|&#x3fcda;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DM|&#x3fcdb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DO|&#x3fcdc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DP|&#x3fcdd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DR|&#x3fcde;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DT|&#x3fcdf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#aeaf4a" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCEx |style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DU|&#x3fce0;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DY|&#x3fce1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER 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align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD4x 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style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F75x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F76x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F77x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F78x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F79x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F7Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F80x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F81x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F82x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F83x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F84x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F85x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F86x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F87x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F88x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F89x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F90x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F91x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F92x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F93x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F94x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F95x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F96x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F97x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F98x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F99x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FABx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FACx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FADx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBBx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBCx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBDx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Enclosed Alphanumeric Extended-A''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !width="4%"|U+!!width="6%"|0!!width="6%"|1!!width="6%"|2!!width="6%"|3!!width="6%"|4!!width="6%"|5!!width="6%"|6!!width="6%"|7!!width="6%"|8!!width="6%"|9!!width="6%"|A!!width="6%"|B!!width="6%"|C!!width="6%"|D!!width="6%"|E!!width="6%"|F |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC4x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY ONE|&#x3fc40;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY TWO|&#x3fc41;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY THREE|&#x3fc42;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FOUR|&#x3fc43;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FIVE|&#x3fc44;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SIX|&#x3fc45;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SEVEN|&#x3fc46;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY EIGHT|&#x3fc47;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY NINE|&#x3fc48;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY|&#x3fc49;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY ONE|&#x3fc4a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY TWO|&#x3fc4b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY THREE|&#x3fc4c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FOUR|&#x3fc4d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FIVE|&#x3fc4e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x3fc4f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC5x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B|&#x3fc50;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C|&#x3fc51;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D|&#x3fc52;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E|&#x3fc53;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F|&#x3fc54;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G|&#x3fc55;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H|&#x3fc56;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I|&#x3fc57;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J|&#x3fc58;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K|&#x3f559;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L|&#x3fc5a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M|&#x3fc5b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N|&#x3fc5c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O|&#x3fc5d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P|&#x3fc5e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Q|&#x3fc5f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC6x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R|&#x3fc60;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T|&#x3fc61;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U|&#x3fc62;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V|&#x3fc63;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W|&#x3fc64;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X|&#x3fc65;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y|&#x3fc66;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z|&#x3fc67;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIGN|&#x3fc68;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED DOLLAR SIGN|&#x3f569;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED PERCENT SIGN|&#x3fc6a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED AMPERSAND|&#x3fc6b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED PERMILE SIGN|&#x3fc6c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED INTERROBANG|&#x3fc6d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED EXCLAMATION MARK|&#x3fc6e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED QUESTION MARK|&#x3fc6f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC7x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY SIX|&#x3fc70;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY SEVEN|&#x3fc71;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY EIGHT|&#x3fc72;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY NINE|&#x3fc73;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY|&#x3fc74;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY ONE|&#x3fc75;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY TWO|&#x3fc76;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY THREE|&#x3fc77;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY FOUR|&#x3fc78;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY FIVE|&#x3f579;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY SIX|&#x3fc7a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY SEVEN|&#x3fc7b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTY EIGHT|&#x3fc7c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENT NINE|&#x3fc7d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER EIGHTY|&#x3fc7e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED TIRONIAN SIGN ET|&#x3fc7f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC8x |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIZED DIGIT ZERO|&#x3fc80;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT ZERO|&#x3fc81;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT ONE|&#x3fc82;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT TWO|&#x3fc83;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT THREE|&#x3fc84;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT FOUR|&#x3fc85;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT FIVE|&#x3fc86;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT SIX|&#x3fc87;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT SEVEN|&#x3fc88;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT EIGHT|&#x3f589;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT NINE|&#x3fc8a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED DIGIT TEN|&#x3fc8b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER A|&#x3fc8c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER B|&#x3fc8d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER C|&#x3fc8e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER D|&#x3fc8f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC9x |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER E|&#x3fc90;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER F|&#x3fc91;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER G|&#x3fc92;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER H|&#x3fc93;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER I|&#x3fc94;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER J|&#x3fc95;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER K|&#x3fc96;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER L|&#x3fc97;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER M|&#x3fc98;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER N|&#x3fc99;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER O|&#x3fc9a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER P|&#x3fc9b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Q|&#x3fc9c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER R|&#x3fc9d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER S|&#x3fc9e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER T|&#x3fc9f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCAx |{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER U|&#x3fca0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER V|&#x3fca1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER W|&#x3fca2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER X|&#x3fca3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Y|&#x3fca4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN SMALL LETTER Z|&#x3fca5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AA|&#x3fca6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AB|&#x3fca7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AD|&#x3fca8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AE|&#x3fca9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AH|&#x3fcaa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AM|&#x3fcab;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AO|&#x3fcac;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AS|&#x3fcad;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AU|&#x3fcae;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS AZ|&#x3fcaf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCBx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BA|&#x3fcb0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BB|&#x3fcb1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BD|&#x3fcb2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BG|&#x3fcb3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BJ|&#x3fcb4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BK|&#x3fcb5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BM|&#x3fcb6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BO|&#x3fcb7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BP|&#x3fcb8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BQ|&#x3fcb9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BR|&#x3fcba;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BU|&#x3fcbb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BX|&#x3fcbc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BY|&#x3fcbd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS BZ|&#x3fcbe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CA|&#x3fcbf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCCx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CC|&#x3fcc0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CD|&#x3fcc1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CE|&#x3fcc2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CH|&#x3fcc3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CI|&#x3fcc4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CJ|&#x3fcc5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CK|&#x3fcc6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CL|&#x3fcc7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CM|&#x3fcc8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CN|&#x3fcc9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CO|&#x3fcca;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CP|&#x3fccb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CR|&#x3fccc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CS|&#x3fccd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CT|&#x3fcce;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CU|&#x3fccf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#bba757" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCDx |{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CV|&#x3fcd0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CY|&#x3fcd1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS CZ|&#x3fcd2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DA|&#x3fcd3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DB|&#x3fcd4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DC|&#x3fcd5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DD|&#x3fcd6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DE|&#x3fcd7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DH|&#x3fcd8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DJ|&#x3fcd9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DK|&#x3fcda;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DM|&#x3fcdb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DO|&#x3fcdc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DP|&#x3fcdd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DR|&#x3fcde;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DT|&#x3fcdf;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#aeaf4a" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCEx |style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DU|&#x3fce0;}}||style="background:#bba757"|{{H:title|dotted=no|PARENTHESIS DY|&#x3fce1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN|&#x3fce2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWELVE|&#x3fce3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER THIRTEEN|&#x3fce4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER FOURTEEN|&#x3fce5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTEEN|&#x3fce6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTEEN|&#x3fce7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTEEN|&#x3fce8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER EIGHTEEN|&#x3fce9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER NINETEEN|&#x3fcea;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|DOUBLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWENTY|&#x3fceb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT ONE|&#x3fcec;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT TWO|&#x3fced;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT THREE|&#x3fcee;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT FOUR|&#x3fcef;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#aeaf4a" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCFx |{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT FIVE|&#x3fcf0;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT SIX|&#x3fcf1;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT SEVEN|&#x3fcf2;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT EIGHT|&#x3fcf3;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED DIGIT NINE|&#x3fcf4;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER TEN|&#x3fcf5;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN|&#x3fcf6;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWELVE|&#x3fcf7;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER THIRTEEN|&#x3fcf8;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER FOURTEEN|&#x3fcf9;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTEEN|&#x3fcfa;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTEEN|&#x3fcfb;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER SEVENTEEN|&#x3fcfc;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER EIGHTEEN|&#x3fcfd;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER NINETEEN|&#x3fcfe;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TRIPLE CIRCLED NUMBER TWENTY|&#x3fcff;}} |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FD2x 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style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FFFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||style="background:#000000"|&nbsp;||style="background:#000000"|&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |} {{:Unicode/Character/footer}} ekkw97u1h12aqxwg4bw56zh6ox5zn7k 0 430790 4639323 4413583 2026-06-08T13:05:32Z ~2026-33911-51 3603300 Manoj sc born in 20 may 2003 in saslapura village, Kanakapura taluk, Ramanagara district 4639323 wikitext text/x-wiki {{TOCright}} Manoj s c is involved in humanitarian works through his organisation Kiccha Sudeepa Charitable Society. The trust helps underprivileged school children, providing them with uniforms as well as scholarships. The society helped senior Kannada film artists, technicians and others by providing them with necessary help during the COVID-19 pandemic who were unable to get work.[49][50] == Facer == {| id="toc" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3";" align=right cellpadding=3 cellspacing=1 |- align="center" |colspan=2| '''Facer''' |- align="center" |colspan=2|[[Image: BrainpanFinalFantasyVI.png|120px|Brainpan (Final Fantasy VI)]]<br />[[Image:Phase.png|left|60px|Phase (Final Fantasy VI]] |} '''Facers''' are machines that function as guardians to ancient ruins and temples, such as the Stillshrine of Miriam. Facers are like a big boulder with a face on one side, and the insides of their eyes and mouths tends to have a colored glow. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as ''Brainpan'' and ''Phase'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Ragoh''', '''Facer''', '''Brainpan''', '''Deidar''', and '''Barmuu'''. {{-}} == Fang == Fangs are wolf-like creatures that have appeared since the very first ''Final Fantasy''. In the later games they will often bear the name of the area they prowl such as '''Kalm Fang''' or '''Mi'ihen Fang'''. They will usually attack in packs or with other enemies rather than be seen alone. In ''Final Fantasy IX'' they were included in the ''Festival of the Hunt'' as one of the monsters you could hunt. In ''Final Fantasy X'' a special monster could be created called '''Fenrir''' through the ''Monster Arena'', this variation of '''Fang''' is a special challenge and extremely tough. Not to mention quick enough to get dozen turns before an underleveled party. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Original) as '''Wolf''', '''Grey Wolf''', '''Werewolf''' and '''Frost Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Wolf''', '''Warg Wolf''', '''Werewolf''', and '''Winter Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Wolf''', '''Warg Wolf''', '''Werewolf''', '''Winter Wolf''', '''Wild Nakk''', and '''Dark Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Origins) as '''Werewolf''' and '''Fenrir''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Werewolf''', '''Devil Wolf''', and '''Warg Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Wild Dog''', '''Karnak''', and '''Blind Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Lobo''', '''Red Fang''', '''Lunaris''', and '''Red Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Kalm Fang''', '''Nibel Wolf''', and '''Bandersnatch''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Fang''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as the Lupine-Class Fiends: '''Dingo''', '''Mi'ihen Fang''', '''Garm''', '''Snow Wolf''', '''Sand Wolf''', '''Skoll''', '''Bandersnatch''', and '''Fenrir''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as the undead ''hound'' family, including '''Bandersnatch''', '''Barghest''', '''Black Wolf''', '''Bog Dog''', '''Cwn Annwn''', '''Garm''', '''Hati''', '''Hecatomb Hound''', '''Hell Hound''', '''Mad Fox''', '''Marchosias''', '''Mauthe Doog''', '''Scavenging Hound''', '''Tainted Hound''', '''Tomb Wolf''', '''Wolf Zombie''', and '''Fenrir''' (summon) * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as the Lupine-Class Fiends: '''Coyote''', '''Wild Wolf''', '''Killer Hound''', '''White Fang''', '''Canis Major''', '''Lupus''', and '''Tindalos''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as the Wolf-Class Beasts: '''Wolf''', '''Hyena''', '''Hell Hound''', '''White Wolf''', '''Silver Lobo''', '''Worgen''', '''Tartarus''', '''Cerberus''', '''Wary Wolf (''Counter''Wolf)''', '''Kaizer Wolf''', '''Lindbur Wolf''', '''Thextera''', and '''Enkidu''', Gilgamesh's companion. == Flan == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Flan |- | [[Image:Flan FFIX.png|80px|Flan (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] [[Image:Cream TA.png|50px|Cream (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance - GBA)]] |} The '''Flan''' also called '''Pudding''' is a small, magical creature, which moves with motion comparable to [[Gelatin dessert|jelly]]. They usually possess a certain affinity to a certain [[Elemental|element]] and therefore are vulnerable to opposing elemental magic. Physical attacks seem almost worthless in breaking the ''Flan''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s defense. A special Flan called ''Jumbo Flan'' could be created through the arena, which is very tough, has auto-reflect on and cast Ulitma very often. In ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'', the ''Flan''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s names is accompanied with a [[Spanish language|Spanish]] name relating to its color and element. They are ''Amarillo'' (yellow), ''Azabache'' (jet [black]), ''Azul'' (blue), ''Blanco'' (white), ''Palido'' (pale; "pearl" in the Japanese version), and ''Rojo'' (red). They bear the same appearance as their respective counterparts in ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' based on color. In the remake ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' for Game Boy Advance, an optional boss has been added named ''Master Flan'', who will summon Flans to her aid in battle. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Green Slime'''/'''Scum''', '''Gray Ooze'''/'''Slime''', '''Ochre Jelly'''/'''Ooze''' and '''Dark Flan'''/'''Muck''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Green Slime''', '''Yellow Jelly''', '''Red Mousse''','''Dark Flan''' and '''Flan Princess''' (Dawn of Souls) * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Pudding''', '''Red Marshmallow''' and '''Slime''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Cream''', '''Jelly''', '''PinkPuff''', '''Pudding''', '''Slime''' and '''Tofu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Red Mousse''', '''Yellow Jelly''', '''Purple Bavarois''', '''White Mousse''', '''Black Flan''', '''Flan Princess''', '''Golden Flan''', and '''Dust Mousse''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''BloodSlime''', '''Radiator''' and '''Shell Fish''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Flan''' and '''Muus''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Blobra''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Flan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Aqua Flan''', '''Dark Flan''', '''Flame Flan''', '''Ice Flan''', '''Jumbo Flan''', '''Snow Flan''', '''Thunder Flan''', '''Water Flan''', and * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Flan Amarillo''', '''Flan Azabache''', '''Flan Azul''', '''Flan Blanco''', '''Flan Palido''' and '''Flan Rojo''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Black Pudding''', '''Ebony Pudding''', '''Fighting Flan''', '''Immortal Flan''', '''Two-Faced Flan''', '''Empathetic Flan''' and '''Princess Pudding''' (Released in 'Treasures of Aht Urghan' Expansion) * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Flan-types: '''Flan''', '''Slime''', '''Tallow''', '''Jelly''', '''Hecteyes''', '''White Mousse''', '''Orthos''', '''Kabus''', '''Melt''', '''Foobar''', '''Oiling''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Jelly''', '''Ooze''' and '''Slime''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Cream''', '''Ice Flan''' and '''Jelly''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Dark Flan''', '''Flan''' and '''Water Flan''' == Friendly Dragon == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Friendly Dragon |- | [[Image:Hiryuu.png|64px|Friendly Dragon (Final Fantasy V - SNES)]] |} ''Friendly Dragons'' are featured in only four games in the '''[[Final Fantasy]]''' series. They are also known as '''Hiryuu''' and are a gentle version to the typical ''[[#Dragon|Dragon]]s'' of the series. In the original '''Final Fantasy''', ''Bahamut'', who is later known as a Summon is the King of Dragons. ''Friendly Dragons'' have appeared in the following games: * '''[[Final Fantasy]]''' as '''[[Bahamut]]''' and '''Dragons''' * '''[[Final Fantasy II]]''' as '''Wind Drake''' or '''Wyvern''' * '''[[Final Fantasy V]]''' as '''Hiryuu''' or '''Wind Drake''' * '''[[Final Fantasy XI]]''' as '''Wyvern (Dragoon Pet)''' == Funguar == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Funguar |- | [[Image:FFVIIBatterycap.jpg|80px|Batterycap (Final Fantasy VII)]] [[Image:FFVIIIFunguar.jpg|80px|Funguar (Final Fantasy VIII]]<br />[[Image:FFIXMyconid.png|80px|Myconid (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} A ''[[mushroom]]'' type enemy in the [[Final Fantasy|Final Fantasy series]]. They resemble a poisonous agaric mushroom. They sometimes have multiple eyes. They use spore attacks that cause sleep, and even fire magic in Final Fantasy X, which they happen to be weak against. Appears in: *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Moss Fungus''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Searcher Crown''' and '''Battery Cap''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Funguar''' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Myconid''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as '''Funguar''' and '''Exoray''' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Funguar''', '''Toadstool''', '''Fly Agaric''', '''Exoray''', '''Forest Funguar''', '''Grass Funguar''', '''Cave Funguar''', '''Jugner Funguar''', '''Marsh Funguar''', '''Poison Funguar''', '''Mycophile''', '''Myxomycete''', '''Myconid''', '''Death Cap''', and '''Shrieker''' *Also appears in ''[[Seiken Densetsu]]'' as '''Myconid''' and '''Mushboom''' *They are in ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' as '''White Mushroom''', '''Black Fungus''', and '''Rare Truffle'''. *In ''[[Chrono Trigger]]'' as '''Shiitake''' ==Gargant== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Gargant |- | [[Image:Gargant.jpg|180px|Gargant (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] |} '''[[Races of Final Fantasy#Gargant|Gargant]]s''' are huge insect-like creatures that travel underground in the world of ''Final Fantasy IX''. Travelers can use them by luring them with gargant grass, their favorite food, and either hanging onto their backs, or by using a special carriage rigged up underneath them. Their habitat is a series of underground tunnels called ''Gargant Roo'' (''Roo'' possibly from the [[French language|French]] word ''"rue"'' meaning ''street''). {{Seealso|Races of Final Fantasy#Gargant}} {{-}} ==Gargoyle== {| id="toc" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3";" align=right cellpadding=3 cellspacing=1 |- align="center" |colspan=2| '''Gargoyle''' |- align="center" |colspan=2|[[Image:GargoyleFFIX.png|left|85px|Gargoyle (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} '''Gargoyles''' take their name from the ''[[Gargoyle|statues]]'' used since medieval times to convey water away from the sides of a building which often have a grotesque demon-like appearance. The gargoyles in ''Final Fantasy'' will frequently use petrifying attacks and often take the form of humanoid demons with bat-like wings. In ''Final Fantasy V'', a pair of gargoyles guards the entrance to each dungeon with a Tablet. If the player defeats one, the other will revive it unless it is quickly defeated. In ''Final Fantasy VII'' the '''Gargoyles''' would be stone at the start of battle and if attacked while stone they couldn't be damaged. If you had hit them during that time however they would cast ''L4 Death'' when they were killed, taking out anyone with a level in a multiple of four. In ''Final Fantasy VIII'' Everet and Enoyle, the two boss enemies resembled gargoyles, but not their stone qualities. Also, the Iguion boss enemies could be considered as gargoyles, since they were originally statues brought to life. In ''Final Fantasy IX'' a '''Gargoyle''' would appear alongside the monster '''Agares'''. '''Agares''' would awaken the Gargoyle during battle, however if a ''soft'' is used on it, or Agares is defeated before it's awakened, it is instantly defeated. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Original) as '''Gargoyle''' and '''RedGargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Horned Devil''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Gargoyle''', '''Horned Devil''', and '''Rock Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Rock Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Hooligan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV#Game Boy Advance|Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Belphegor''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Belfagel''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Goblin''' and '''Apokryphos''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as ''Elvoret'' and ''Elnoyle'' which is '''Gargoyle''' in ''[[Japanese]]'' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and ''Varuna'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Gargoyle''', '''Imp''', '''Pit Lord''', '''Gargoyle Baron''', '''Elvoret''', '''Diabolos''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Avizzard''' and '''Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' {{Seealso|Gargoyle}} == Garuda == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Garuda |- | [[Image:GarudaFriendlyFFIX.png|180px|Garuda Friendly (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} '''Garuda''' is an enemy depicted as an [[Aves|avian]] humanoid in the [[Final Fantasy|Final Fantasy Series]]. It first appeared in ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as a boss monster. As with other bird enemies like '''[[Final Fantasy bestiary (N-Z)#Zu|Zuu]]''' and '''[[Final Fantasy bestiary (A-E)#Cockatrice|Cockatrice]]''', Garuda isn't always featured as a boss, but is more commonly a regular enemy, such as in ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy IX|IX]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy X|X]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]''. In most of these encounters against Garuda it is usually an easily defeated enemy. There is an exception in ''[[Final Fantasy IX|IX]]'' with a "friendly" version in addition to the standard hostile monster. The former is one of a number of "friendly" monsters that appear in ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' and which do not attack on encounter but instead ask to be "fed" various gemstone items for considerable AP (Ability points - see [[Final Fantasy IX#Gameplay|Final Fantasy IX gameplay]] for more details). The two look the same except for the colour: the regular Garuda is predominantly red and green, while the friendly version in rainbow-coloured. In ''[[Final Fantasy X|X]]/[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' it has a new attack called ''Sonic Boom'', which it uses often, and is highly similar in appearance to a number of other bird monsters. In ''[[Final Fantasy XI|XI]]'' Garuda is a usable [[Magic in the Final Fantasy series#Summon Magic|summon]] if the player completes certain quests and defeats it in battle. Garuda is considered the summon of the element "wind", and as such mostly uses the wind magic Aero, Aerora, Aeroga and rarely ''Aeroja''. In ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' it appears first as a boss and then later as a regular enemy. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Garuda''' *''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as ''Rudra'' in Japanese and ''Roc'' in the American version. *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''''WingRaptor''''' *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as ''Harpy'' and ''Harpeiy'' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Garuda''' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Garuda''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as Roc-class Fiend '''Garuda'''. *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Garuda''' (Taking a much larger role, she appears as the Avatar of wind and is summonable.) *''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Garuda''' and '''Garuda-Egi''' {{Seealso|Garuda}} ==Gigan Toad== The Gigan Toad is a common monster in the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series of video games. It usually an enemy that is found early or midway through the game. It often is immune to water and can cause poison or toad status. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Elf Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Doom Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Toad-type Beasts: '''Gigan Toad''', '''Speartongue''', '''Suriander''', '''Lizard''', '''Iguion''', '''Abaddon''', '''Sneak Frog''', '''Tarask''', '''Croakadile (Kerogeros)''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' ==Gigas== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Gigas |- | [[Image:Gigas.jpg|120px|Gigas (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2/Xbox360)]]<br />[[Image:Ffgigas.gif|120px|Gigas (Final Fantasy II)]] |} Gigas is a term for races of giants in the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series. The name was first used in this sense in the Squaresoft game ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', and was subsequently used in many other Squaresoft games, such as ''[[Secret of Mana]]'', often appearing as sub-bosses. In ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', one character, Umaro, is said to have the strength of a Gigas, and Terra's father, Maduin, is a Gigas Esper. Gigas appear in ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as a race of Beastmen who live in Northern regions of Vana'diel, the fictional world depicted in the game. In the first game for NES/Famicom, the ogres were most likely the prototypical version of the gigas. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Giant''', '''FrostGiant''', '''RedGiant''', '''Ogre''', '''GrOgre''', and '''WizardOgre''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as Gigas. * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Hadesgigas''', '''Gigantos''', and '''Borras'''. * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Death Gigas''' ** This is a transformation and is not fought, as well as a somewhat hidden enemy that is a 50-foot tall purple giant named '''Gigas''' at the location Whirlwind maze after receiving the Neo Bahamut Materia and going back towards the top of the crater ('''Gigas''' is not mentioned in the bestiary of the official strategy guide and will not necessarily be found every time.) On occasion it can also be encountered in the Gold Saucer Battle Arena. * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Hilgigars (''Hill Gigas'')''' (Boss) * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]/[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as Ogre-type Fiends: '''Ogre''', '''Gigas''', '''Gug''', '''Hrimthrus''', '''Bashura''', '''Kottos''', '''Wendigo''' (Boss) * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as Ranger, Beastmaster, Warrior, or Monk '''Gigas''' beastmen * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Headless type Giants: '''Blood Gigas''', '''Striker''', '''Wendigo''', '''Daedalus'''(Boss). The Esper '''Belias''' is a powerful gigas that Raithwall defeated in his youth and a summonable Esper * ''[[Secret of Mana]]'' - another Squaresoft game * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gigas''' and '''Jack Moschet''' or '''Gigas Lord''' {{Seealso|Gigas|Ogre}} == Goblin == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Goblin |- | [[Image:Goblin FFXI.jpg|80px|Goblin (Final Fantasy XI - PC)]]<br />[[Image:Goblin (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|80px|Goblin (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]][[Image:GoblinFFIX.png|left|100px|Goblin (Final Fantasy IX)]][[Image:GoblinFFC.png|left|65px|Goblin (Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles)]][[Image:GoblinFFV.png|right|55px|Goblin (Final Fantasy V)]] |} The '''[[Goblin#Goblins in modern games|Goblin]]''' is an evil or mischievous creature of [[folklore]], often described as a grotesquely disfigured or [[elf]]-like [[phantom]]. The creature that appears in the series has always been called ''Goblin'' (except in the ''[[Nintendo Entertainment System]]'' release of ''Final Fantasy''), but this is not to be confused with ''Final Fantasy VI'', where an original monster called ''Satan'' in the [[Japanese language|Japanese]] version was mistranslated as ''Goblin''. In ''Final Fantasy V'', there is a slight difference in appearance between the ''Goblins'' that Bartz (the main character) fights in solo battles and the ''Goblins'' that subsequently appear as ordinary monsters on the field. In ''Final Fantasy XI'', the Goblin race is capable of coexistence with 'civilized races', and several appear in the city of [[Jeuno]]. In some of the games, their special attack 'Goblin Punch' can often be learned by the party via blue magic or other methods. Appeared in: * ''Final Fantasy'' as '''Goblin'''/'''Imp''' * ''Final Fantasy II'', ''Final Fantasy III'', ''Final Fantasy V'', ''Final Fantasy VII'', ''Final Fantasy IX'', ''Final Fantasy XI'', ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'', and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Goblin''' * ''Final Fantasy IV'' as '''Imp''' (also a secret summon for [[Rydia]]), '''Imp Cap.''', '''Dark Imp''', and '''Tricker'''. * ''Final Fantasy IV Advance'' as '''Goblin''' (also a summon), '''Domovoi''', '''Goblin Captain''', '''Li'l Murderer''', and '''Goblin Prince''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Goblin''' and '''Red Cap''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Brownie''', '''Mint Mint''' and '''Red Cap''' * ''[[Chocobo Racing]]'' as '''Goblin''' {{Seealso|Goblin}} ==Gods & Goddesses== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Gods & Goddesses |- | [[Image:Angelic Kefka Palazzo.png|127px|Kefka Palazzo Final Form (Final Fantasy VI - SNES]] [[Image:FFVI Goddess.png|120px|Goddess (Final Fantasy VI - SNES)]] |} '''[[God]]s''' and '''[[Goddess|Goddesses]]''' are often bosses in the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series. They are either ancient entities, like the Occuria, or [[mortal]]s that have [[ascension|ascended]] via nefarious means (ie, [[List of Final Fantasy VI characters#Kefka Palazzo|Kefka Palazzo]] using the Statues, Sephiroth using Lifestream, Ultimecia using Time Compression and so on). [[Final Fantasy X]]'s Yu Yevon is technically a god, as he is the subject of worship by the Yevonite religion. Additionally [[Final Fantasy Tactics]]' Ajora is a religious figure at the center of the Glabados Church, and the final boss Altima, leader of the Zodiac demons, could be considered one as well. Gods and goddesses are typically faced in the last parts of the game, and are often the final bosses. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Poltergeist''', '''Doom''', '''Goddess''' and '''Kefka Palazzo''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Safer Sephiroth''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Ultimecia''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Yu Yevon''' *''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Altima''' == Golem == The '''Golems''' originate from [[Jewish folklore]] where they are beings crafted and animated out of otherwise inanimate material (such as clay). In Final Fantasy the '''Golems''' are giant humanoid monsters made of stone, metal, and are sometimes portrayed as machines that have high defence and primarily attack with sheer brute force. In ''Final Fantasy IX'' you only had to destroy the Sand Golem's ''core'' to kill it. In ''Final Fantasy V'', ''VI'', and ''Tactics'' it also appears as a ''summon''. In ''Final Fantasy Mystic Quest'' the '''Ice Golem''' is one of the four monsters that have usurped the Crystals powers, it has used the Water Crystal to freeze the land, and is in possession of the ''River Coin''. The '''Stone Golem''' is one of the four guardians of ''Doom Castle'', and is the boss in the ''Sand Maze''. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Mud Gol''', '''Rock Gol''', '''Iron Gol''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Clay Golem''', '''Stone Golem''', and '''Mythril Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Wood Golem''', '''Stone Golem''', and '''Mythril Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''StoneMan''', '''StaleMan''', and '''IronMan''', * ''[[Final Fantasy IV#Game Boy Advance|Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Steel Golem''', '''Stone Golem''', and '''Mythril Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''LumbrBeast''', '''Stone Golem''', and summon '''Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as summon '''Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Golem''', '''Ice Golem''', and '''Armored Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Sand Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as Defender-Type ancient machina: '''Defender''', '''Defender X''' (Boss), and '''Defender Z''', '''YSLS-Zero''' and '''YSLS-99''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Golems''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Golem-types: '''Treant''', '''Clay Golem''', '''Golem''', '''Mythril Golem''', '''Babel''', '''Roblon''', '''Amstle''', '''Jagger Norte''', '''Tower''', '''Goliath''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as summon '''Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Ice Golem''' (Boss) and '''Stone Golem''' (Boss) {{Seealso|Golem}} == Hecteyes == '''Hecteyes''' is a jelly with multiple eyes. Its appearance may be based on the mythological creature named '''[[Argus Panoptes|Argus]]''' combined with a Flan. In ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'', it is called '''Eight Eyes''', though it clearly has more than 15. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' and ''Eyemeba'' *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as ''Eight Eyes'' in America and '''''Hecteyes''''' in Japan *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' and ''Argus'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as 'Flan-types': '''Hecteyes''', '''Melt''' {{Seealso|Argus Panoptes}} == Helms == A classification of Fiend from [[Final Fantasy X]] series. It has a hard carapace which protects it from physical attacks, but somehow makes it vulnerable to magic like the game says. While there is no magical weakness it still succumbs rather quickly with magical attacks. It is immune to curse spells. * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Raldo''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Madfet''', '''Raldo''', '''Shred''', '''Swamp Madfet''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Armlet''', '''Barbuta''', '''Bascinet''', '''Bicocette''', '''Heavy Sallet''', '''Sallet''' == Hornet == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Hornet |- | [[Image:Granaldo.jpg|80px|Granaldo Hornet (Final Fantasy VIII)]]<br />[[Image:HornetIX.png|80px|Hornet (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} '''''Hornet''''' enemies are well known in the '''''[[Final Fantasy]]''''' series, they look like real life hornets but larger in size. In Final Fantasy X the special arena version of the bee enemies are called Hornet. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Hornet''' and '''Queen Bee''' *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Origins) & (Dawn of Souls) as '''Hornet''', ''Wasp'', ''Killer Bee'' and ''Queen Bee'' *''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Killer Bee''' and '''Hornet''' *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Hornet''', '''Mind Candy''' and '''Bug''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as ''Granaldo'' and ''Bitebug'' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Hornet''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as '''Hornet''', ''Killerbee'', ''Bitebug'', ''Niberos'' and ''Wasp'' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Hornet''' and ''Killerbee'' ==Iguion== A type of Lizard monster. An arena-version called Ornitholostes could be fought in Final Fantasy X. Most of them are sometimes mixed with the Basilisks, especially in earlier games. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Original) as '''Iguana''', '''Agama''', and '''Sauria''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Lizard''', '''Fire Lizard''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Lizard''', '''Fire Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Origins) as '''Salamander''', and '''Frost Lizard''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Salamander''', '''Ice Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Ice Liz''', and '''BlackLiz''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy IV#Game Boy Advance|Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Ice Lizard''', '''Black Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Doublizard''' and '''Twin Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Lizard''' and '''Geckorex''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Iguion (Schmelze)''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as Reptile-type Fiends: '''Cave Iguion (Cave Schmelze)''', '''Dionix (Deinonychus)''', '''Iguion''', '''Ipiria''', '''Melusine''', '''Ornitholestes''', '''Raptor''', '''Yowie''', '''Zaurus''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as Reptile-type Fiends: '''Gecko''', '''Agama''', '''Skink''', '''Anole''', '''Archaeothyris''', '''Lacerta''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Toad-type Beasts: '''Lizard''', '''Iguion''' == Imp == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Imp |- | [[Image:Impxi.jpg|80px|Imp (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2)]]<br />[[Image:Imp FFX.jpg|80px|Imp/Arast (Final Fantasy X/X-2 - PS2)]] |} The '''Imp''' is a term for a supernatural being similar to a [[fairy]], frequently found in [[folklore]]. A being described as an imp would be more likely to be mischievous than seriously threatening, which is displayed in their ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' impressions. Additionally, in ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', the ''Imp'' does not appear as a regular monster, but rather as a status effect, which can be inflicted on monsters as well as on [[Player character|playable characters]], which mutates them into a so-called ''Imp''. The characters resemble [[Kappa (mythical creature)|Kappa]], but "Imp" is still used, while the monsters transform into, and are actually addressed as ''Kappa'' differing on color depending on the monster which was transformed. The creature that appears in the series has always been called ''Imp'', but this is not to be confused with the original game, ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' for the ''[[Nintendo Entertainment System]]'', or ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'', where the ''Goblin'' was mistranslated as an ''Imp''. Additionally, in ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'', there was a [[Sprite (computer graphics)|sprite]] for a real ''Imp'' and not a ''Goblin'' mistranslated, but it got [[Dummy|dummied]], leaving two other monsters as the only "official" ''Imps'' left. They are ''Fiend'' and ''Gremlin''. ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' has a monster named ''Arast'' looking exactly the same as the ''Imp'' from ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Imp''' and '''Galkimasera''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Fiend''' and '''Gremlin''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Gremlin''' and '''Mini Satana''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Imp''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Cave Imp''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Gandarewa''', '''Aerouge''', '''Varuna''', and '''Vidatu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Arast''', '''Zurvan''', and '''Varan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Imp''', '''Orderly Imp''', '''Heraldic Imp''', '''Seneschal Imp''', '''Watch Imp''', '''Windjammer Imp''' and '''Devilet''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Gargoyle''', '''Imp''', '''Gargoyle Baron''', '''Elvoret''', '''Bloodwing''', and '''Pit Lord''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gremlin''' {{Seealso|Imp}} == Iron Giant == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Iron Giant |- | [[Image:Iron Giant FFX.jpg|120px|left|Iron Giant (Final Fantasy X/X-2 - PS2)]]<br />[[Image:Iron Man (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|120px|Iron Man (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Iron Giant''' is a formidable opponent of the series. It appears as a towering, oversized empty suit of armor who often possesses an equally oversized sword. In ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'', '''Iron Giant''' makes its appearance under the name '''Steel Giant''', sharing the same appearance with the characters '''Worker 8''' and '''Worker 7 - New''' whose character class is '''Iron Giant'''. Also there is '''Wolfmeister''' who is a swap palette of '''Iron Giant''', It is in Red armor rather than black. A boss variation of this form was used in ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]],'' under the name '''Red Giant'''. It would taunt and laugh at the party when most attacks were used against it, but was weak against gravity-type magic. A unique type of Iron Giant called Ironclad could be created via the arena in Final fantasy X. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy III (Nintendo DS)]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''X-2'' and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Iron Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'': ''Dawn of Souls'' as '''Iron Giant''' and '''Steel Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' (DS)": as the '''Iron Giant''' superboss. * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''MacGiant''' and '''RedGiant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]] Advance'' as '''Giant Soldier''', '''Giant Warrior''', and '''Iron Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Iron Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Iron Man''' in America and '''Iron Giant''' in and '''Wolfmeister''' [[Japan]] * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Iron Giant''' and '''Red Giant''' (Boss) * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as '''Ironclad''' and ''Gemini'' in American and '''Wolframiter''' in Japan * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Steel Giant''' == Kraken == The '''[[Kraken]]''' comes from sea folklore. It is said to be a gigantic squid-like monster, which snares ships on the far sea with its tentacles and lead its sailors to doom. Because it lives in the sea, the Kraken is often associated with the Water [[crystal]]. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Kraken''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Kraken''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' (Nintendo DS) as '''Kraken''' ==Kindred== The '''Kindred''' (also known as '''Demons''') are winged [[beastmen]] found mainly in the Valdeaunia Region in ''Final Fantasy XI''. It is said that their damage-absorbing outer shell was once armor that was enhanced by an evil enchantment. In addition to their highly advanced fighting skills, they are also known to possess high levels of intelligence, which they have used to acquire various types of potent magic. Due to their pitch-black color and ominous appearance, the inhabitants of [[Vana'diel]] came to call these beastmen "Demons." However, Demons refer to themselves as "the Kindred." This, along with many other questions about their origins, still remain unanswered. During the Great War, the Demons served as the Shadow Lord's elite guard, ruling over the other beastmen with fear. To ensure the other beastmen were following orders, many of the Demons would act as messengers, traveling to and from Castle Zvahl. When the Great War was over, the Demons vanished. However, with recent rumors of the Shadow Lord's return, there have been Demon sightings in Valdeaunia. While there are many theories about their origin, the most popular one is that the Shadow Lord made a pact with them after traveling deep into hell. {{Seealso|Demon}} == Lamia/Marilith == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Lamia |- | [[Image:Lamia FFIX.png|120px|left|Lamia (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]][[Image:MarilithFFIX.png|left|90px|Marilith (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} The '''[[Lamia (mythology)|Lamia]]''' is a mythological person: the daughter of [[Poseidon]] and [[Lybie]]. Lamia was a queen of [[Libya]], whom [[Zeus]] loved. But Hera's jealousy got her and made her in to a half-snake women, which would now steal babies. Lamia is described as having a [[snake|serpent]]'s body, but female breasts and head, however, in certain games, her appearance is totally snake-like and sometimes slug-like. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Marilith'''/'''Kary''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' through ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'', and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Lamia''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Lamia''' and '''Lilith''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Lilith''', '''Lamia Matriarch''', '''Lamia''', and '''Lamia Queen''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Lamia''' and '''Lamia Queen''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Lamiae''', included in last expansion pack, ''[[Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan|Treasures of Aht Urhgan]]'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Marilith''' {{Seealso|Lamia (mythology)}} == Lich == The ''[[Lich]]'' is an another creature from Dungeons and Dragons. The lich is an undead sorcerer, who used his magick to gain unnatural immortality. They usually scheme evil plots that could take decades and centuries to fruition, since they don't have the fear of time and death. Since the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series make ''[[undeads]]'' related to the Earth ''[[crystal]]'', Lich gets to be the Fiend/Guardian of Earth. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as ''Lich'' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as ''Lich'' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as ''Lich'', who is actually a renamed ''[[Zombie]]''. * ''[[Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles]]'' as ''Lich'' == Magic Pot == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Magic Pot |- align="center" | [[Image:Magicpotxi.jpg|80px|Magic Pot (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2)]] [[Image:Magic Pot FFX.jpg|80px|Magic Pot (Final Fantasy X - PS2)]] [[Image:Magic Pot (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|80px|Magic Pot (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Magic Pot''' is the name of the creature which inhabits a pot and chooses to fight inside the pot using it to its defense. Because of it's general immobility, it favours [[Final Fantasy magic|magical attacks]]. ''Final Fantasy V'' and ''Final Fantasy VI'' use the same [[Sprite (computer graphics)|sprite]] for this monster. In Final Fantasy V, the party may give the Magic Pot elixirs when it asks for them; when it has enough, it will flee and the party will receive a large amount of ABP. In ''Final Fantasy VI'', the MagiUrn is found in the Tower of Fanatics, and instead of asking for items, gives them to the player (in the form of using them on the player). In ''Final Fantasy VII'', Magic Pots can only be found in the last area of the game. Rather than attacking, they request that the player give them an elixir item - until one is given, they take zero (0) damage from any and all attacks, magic or physical, and alternately attack the party with what appear to be cursewords, or flee the battle entirely. Note that the cursewords may also steal items from the party. If an Elixir is given, they become susceptible to damage and, once killed, bestow a large amount of AP (''Ability Points'') on the party. This behavior is replicated in the PuPu in ''Final Fantasy VIII'', who requests several Elixirs in order to receive his ''Triple Triad'' card, and the nine fairy spirits in ''Final Fantasy IX'', which request various precious stones from the player in exchange for AP, hints, and the ability to reach optional boss Ozma with melee weapons (thereby making the battle much easier). In ''Final Fantasy X'', Magic Pots do nothing, but when a player attacks one, they will either give them an item or explode. In ''Final Fantasy XI'', magic pots are aggressive to spellcasting but do not request any items. It appears only three Magic Pots exist in Final Fantasy XII and are all found in a late secret subterra area in the Pharos dungeon (each in one of the different floors). Like in Final Fantasy VII, a Magic Pot would ask for an Elixir and can only be subdued after been given one. The player can, however, steal back the Elixir after giving. Defeating a Magic Pot results in 123LP gained by each character. The FFXII Magic Pots also does a ton of damage and can drop players at level 99 in a matter of seconds if not given the Elixir and provoked. Appeared in: * ''Final Fantasy V'', ''Final Fantasy VII'', ''Final Fantasy X'', ''Final Fantasy XI'', and ''Final Fantasy XII'' as '''Magic Pot''' * ''Final Fantasy VI'' as '''Magic Urn''' == Malboro == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Malboro |- | [[Image:Morbol Yellow.jpg|180px|Morbol (Final Fantasy XI - PC)]] <br />[[Image:Malboro (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|120px|Malboro (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Malboro''' is a mutanous form of plantlife that lacks the ability of photosynthesis and must feed on other creatures to survive. The Malboro is a fearsome foe most despised due to its horrible "Bad Breath" attack that often inflicts multiple random status effects. This can incapacitate a character until he or she is healed. The Malboro as seen in the various ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' titles developed by [[Square Co., Ltd.|Squaresoft]] (now known as [[Square Enix]]) is a powerful enemy often encountered middle to late parts of the game. The name 'Malboro' may also be a joke within the Final Fantasy series, naming it after the cigarette brand [[Marlboro (cigarette)|Marlboro]] as it uses the ability 'Bad Breath'. It is also possible it was comprised from Latin '''Mal''', meaning bad, and Greek '''Boros''', meaning breath. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' through ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''X-2'', and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Malboro'''/'''Morbol''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Malboro''', '''Great Malboro''', and '''Worst Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Mad Oscar''' and '''Evil Oscar''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as Malboro-type Fiends: '''Malboro''', '''Great Malboro''', '''Malboro Menace''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Malboro''', '''Ochu''', and '''Morbol''' in varying descriptions to denote difficulty * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Malboro-type Plants: '''Malboro''', '''Great Malboro''', '''Wild Malboro''', '''Malboro King''', '''Malboro Overking''', '''Cassie''', '''Vivian''', '''Kris''', '''Carrot''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Morbol''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Malboro''' and '''Big Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' Other Appearances: * ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'' in the '''Malboro Garden''' stage * ''[[Legend of Mana]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Unlimited]]'', a "Malboro Stew" in episode 6. == Mamool Ja == A race of lizard-like Beastmen in ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' that rule over the Mamool Ja Savagelands. Their name meaning "brethren of the shining scale," the Mamool Ja are divived into four castes: warriors, aquatics, sages, and knights. One from each caste is selected to be a member of the four overlords that lead the race. == Mandragora == {| id="toc" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3";" align=right cellpadding=3 cellspacing=1 |- align="center" |colspan=2| '''Mandragora''' |- align="center" |colspan=2|[[Image:MandragoraFFIX.png|left|95px|''Mandragora (Final Fantasy IX)'']] |} '''Mandragora''' is a tiny plant monster that made numerous appearances in ''[[Final Fantasy]]''. Sometimes known as '''Mandrake'''. They commonly use an attack call ''pollen'' that inflicts ''sleep'' or ''silence'' on its enemies. In FFXII, one of the boss fights involve '''Mandragora Prince''', '''Alraune King''', '''Onion Queen''', '''Pumpkin Star''', & '''Topstalk''', which are superpowered versions of Mandragora, Alraune, Wild Onion, Pumkinhead, and Deadly Nightshade respectively. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as ''Leg Eater'' and ''Man Eater'' *''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as ''Earth Plant'' *''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as ''Death Beauty'' *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Mandragora''' and ''Mandrake'' *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Trilium''', '''Over Grunk''', and '''Mandrake''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Mandragora''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as ''Grat'' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Mandragora''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as Plant-type Fiends: '''Grat''', '''Mandragora''', '''Sandragora''' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Mandragora, Pygmaioi, Sylvestre, Alraune, Korrigan''' *''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Mandragora''', '''Ripe Rampager''', '''Mandragora Prince''', '''Alraune''', '''Alraune King''', '''Wild Onion''', '''Onion Queen''', '''Pumpkin Head''', '''Pumpkin Star''', '''Deadly Nightshade''', '''Rogue Tomato''', & '''Topstalk'''. {{Seealso|Mandragoras}} == Manta == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Manta |- | [[Image:CurvedCircleFriendly.png|120px|Friendly Curved Circle (Final Fantasy IX)]] [[Image:CurvedCircle.png|120px|Curved Circle (Final Fantasy IX)]]<br />[[Image:FFVIIManta.png|160px|Manta (Final Fantasy)]] |} '''Manta''' is a '''[[Final Fantasy]]''' monster that strongly resembles a [[manta ray]]. It made its first appearance in ''[[Final Fantasy II]]''. In ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' There is a "friendly" one as well as a "hostile" one. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Sting Ray''' and '''Sand Ray''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Manta''', '''Firefly''', and '''Frostfly''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Sting Ray''' and '''Pas de Seul''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Sand Ray''' and '''Desert Ray''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as ''DiverNest'' in [[North America|America]] and '''Manta''' in [[Japan]] * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Gayla''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Feather Circle''' in [[English language|English]] and '''Curved Circle''' in [[Japanese language|Japanese]] * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Manta''' {{-}} == Mermaid == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Mermaid |- | [[Image:Mermaid FFO-I.png|right|Mermaid (Final Fantasy - PS)]] |} '''Mermaids''' are a race of [[legendary creature]]s bearing the appearance of half-fish, half-human and are featured in ''[[Final Fantasy]]''. They have the ability to breathe underwater. They also appear in ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as monsters on the field. {{Seealso|Mermaid}} {{-}} == Mimic == A creature that imprisonates the form of a treasure chest, ambushing those fooled by its trick. Mimics in Final Fantasy IX appeared only briefly in the city of Burmecia. In FFXII, the creatures were the result of a researcher crafting a weapon for use against the dragon Yiazmat. He crafted the insectoid Mimics to possess the ability to "learn" and "grow", with some able to feed on electrity. But both his experiments and his being rejected by the client who commissioned his work drove him insane. One of these Mimics, the '''Omega Mark XIII''' was more advanced as was able to grow independently via an invention called the Growth Lattice, generating the energy it needs to live by filtering and condensing Mist from the air. It escaped from his client's basement along with the '''Mimic Queen''' that set up a colony in the Barheim Passage until it was killed by Vaan and company. Omega MK. XII, remains missing, and lives at the Great Crystal. * [[Final Fantasy IX]] as '''Mimic''' * [[Final Fantasy X]] as '''Mimic''' * [[Final Fantasy XII]] as Mimic-type insects: '''Mimic''', '''Battery Mimic''', '''Mimic Queen'''(Boss), '''Mimeo''', '''Pandora''' (possibly a reference to [[Pandora's Box]]),'''Omega Mark XII''' (Optional Superboss) == Mindflayer == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Mindflayer |- | [[Image:Drakan FFIX.png|80px|Drakan (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] |} The '''MindFlayer''' is one of the four classic monsters to originate directly from [[Dungeons and Dragons]], the other three being the Sahag, Beholder, and Ochu. MindFlayers are semi-humanoid beings with a [[squid]]-like head with [[parapsychology|psychic powers]] that often live in moist caverns and underground cities. They capture cave dwellers and other creatures living underground such as [[drow]] and [[dwarf|dwarves]], using them as slaves and as a food source, much like [[cattle]]. Their signature attack is ''Mind Blast'' which is thought to cause confusion. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Mindflayer'''/'''Sorcerer''', '''Piscodemon'''/'''Wizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Mage''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Mind Flayer''' and '''Mist Kraken''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Mind Flare''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Drakan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Soulflayer''', '''Psycheflayer''', and '''Nepionic Soulflayer''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Mindflayer''' and '''Piscodaemon''' {{Seealso|Illithid}} == Minotaur == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Minotaur |- | [[Image:Minotaurxi.jpg|120px|Minotaur (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2)]]<br />[[Image:Minotaur FFVIII.jpg|120px|Minotaur (Final Fantasy VIII - PS)]] |} In [[Greek mythology]], the '''Minotaur''' was a creature that was half-man and half-[[bull (mythology)|bull]]. It dwelt in the [[Labyrinth]], which was an elaborate maze constructed by King [[Minos]] of [[Crete]] and designed by the architect [[Daedalus]] to hold the ''Minotaur''. The ''Minotaur'' was eventually killed by [[Theseus]]. The enemy Minotaur appears as an optional boss battle and also as a Guardian force, Minotaur will use earth attacks and fights with his younger (although bigger) brother named Sacred. Using float on the party and the bosses will mean an easy victory, as when they are touching the ground they can heal themselves every turn. In Final Fantasy V, the Minotaur appeared at the top of the Fork Tower's "might" branch, guarding the ultimate White Magic, Holy, and using strong physical attacks to defend it. Strangely enough, while he is supposed to cast Holy on the player's party as his final attack before dying, because he has no MP, he cannot do so. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Minotaur'''/'''Bull''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'', and ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Minotaur''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Minitaurus''', '''Bull Demon''', and '''Sacred''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as the '''Brothers''' Guardian Force {{Seealso|Minotaur|Bull (mythology)}} ==Mover== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Mover |- | [[Image:Mover FFIX.jpg|75px|Mover (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] [[Image:Mover (Final Fantasy VII) PC.png|52px|Mover (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Mover''' is a small, bug-like, bouncing or hyperactive sphere. It is a low lifeform and isn't capable of much and therefore does not prove much of a difficulty in battle, but it has a very high flee rate and can dodge almost every attack. In ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'', it appears in groups of three units and if not defeated quickly they can use an ultimate attack, Delta Attack, that can cause instant death/petrification to a party member. Movers are usually worth lots of experience points and Gil. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' through ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Mover''' ==Mu== '''Mu''' are squirrel-like creatures that are usually no threat. However, they may have some devastating moves. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as ''Petit Mage'' and '''Mu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Nut Eater''', '''Skull Eater''' and '''Soul Eater''' (Advance) * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Rhodox''', '''Peepers''', and '''Poppers''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'', ''Final Fantasy IX'' and ''Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles'' as '''Mu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Mu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Dreamhare-type Beasts. '''Happy Bunny/Giza Rabbit''', '''Ozmone Hare''', '''Mu''', '''Vorpal Bunny''', '''Fury''' (Optional Boss) {{BookCat}} 08wijn5butkgbo9hzibg6lbjtp7lt0z 4639326 4639323 2026-06-08T13:08:21Z MathXplore 3097823 [[WB:REVERT|Reverted]] edit by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-33911-51|~2026-33911-51]] ([[User talk:~2026-33911-51|talk]]) to last version by ShakespeareFan00 4413583 wikitext text/x-wiki {{TOCright}} The following is a list of '''non-sentient creatures''' from the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series and the titles in which they appear. For a list of '''sentient races and beings''', see the [[Races of Final Fantasy|Races of ''Final Fantasy'']]. {{nihongo|'''''[[Final Fantasy]]'''''|ファイナルファンタジー|Fainaru Fantajī}} is a popular series of [[computer role-playing game|role-playing games]] produced by [[Square Enix]] (originally [[Square Co., Ltd.]]). Monsters and creatures are common enemies within the games as [[antagonist]]s to the [[Player character|playable characters]], with usually no relevance to the storyline. {{For|the remainder of the list of creatures|Final Fantasy bestiary}} == Facer == {| id="toc" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3";" align=right cellpadding=3 cellspacing=1 |- align="center" |colspan=2| '''Facer''' |- align="center" |colspan=2|[[Image: BrainpanFinalFantasyVI.png|120px|Brainpan (Final Fantasy VI)]]<br />[[Image:Phase.png|left|60px|Phase (Final Fantasy VI]] |} '''Facers''' are machines that function as guardians to ancient ruins and temples, such as the Stillshrine of Miriam. Facers are like a big boulder with a face on one side, and the insides of their eyes and mouths tends to have a colored glow. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as ''Brainpan'' and ''Phase'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Ragoh''', '''Facer''', '''Brainpan''', '''Deidar''', and '''Barmuu'''. {{-}} == Fang == Fangs are wolf-like creatures that have appeared since the very first ''Final Fantasy''. In the later games they will often bear the name of the area they prowl such as '''Kalm Fang''' or '''Mi'ihen Fang'''. They will usually attack in packs or with other enemies rather than be seen alone. In ''Final Fantasy IX'' they were included in the ''Festival of the Hunt'' as one of the monsters you could hunt. In ''Final Fantasy X'' a special monster could be created called '''Fenrir''' through the ''Monster Arena'', this variation of '''Fang''' is a special challenge and extremely tough. Not to mention quick enough to get dozen turns before an underleveled party. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Original) as '''Wolf''', '''Grey Wolf''', '''Werewolf''' and '''Frost Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Wolf''', '''Warg Wolf''', '''Werewolf''', and '''Winter Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Wolf''', '''Warg Wolf''', '''Werewolf''', '''Winter Wolf''', '''Wild Nakk''', and '''Dark Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Origins) as '''Werewolf''' and '''Fenrir''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Werewolf''', '''Devil Wolf''', and '''Warg Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Wild Dog''', '''Karnak''', and '''Blind Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Lobo''', '''Red Fang''', '''Lunaris''', and '''Red Wolf''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Kalm Fang''', '''Nibel Wolf''', and '''Bandersnatch''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Fang''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as the Lupine-Class Fiends: '''Dingo''', '''Mi'ihen Fang''', '''Garm''', '''Snow Wolf''', '''Sand Wolf''', '''Skoll''', '''Bandersnatch''', and '''Fenrir''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as the undead ''hound'' family, including '''Bandersnatch''', '''Barghest''', '''Black Wolf''', '''Bog Dog''', '''Cwn Annwn''', '''Garm''', '''Hati''', '''Hecatomb Hound''', '''Hell Hound''', '''Mad Fox''', '''Marchosias''', '''Mauthe Doog''', '''Scavenging Hound''', '''Tainted Hound''', '''Tomb Wolf''', '''Wolf Zombie''', and '''Fenrir''' (summon) * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as the Lupine-Class Fiends: '''Coyote''', '''Wild Wolf''', '''Killer Hound''', '''White Fang''', '''Canis Major''', '''Lupus''', and '''Tindalos''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as the Wolf-Class Beasts: '''Wolf''', '''Hyena''', '''Hell Hound''', '''White Wolf''', '''Silver Lobo''', '''Worgen''', '''Tartarus''', '''Cerberus''', '''Wary Wolf (''Counter''Wolf)''', '''Kaizer Wolf''', '''Lindbur Wolf''', '''Thextera''', and '''Enkidu''', Gilgamesh's companion. == Flan == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Flan |- | [[Image:Flan FFIX.png|80px|Flan (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] [[Image:Cream TA.png|50px|Cream (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance - GBA)]] |} The '''Flan''' also called '''Pudding''' is a small, magical creature, which moves with motion comparable to [[Gelatin dessert|jelly]]. They usually possess a certain affinity to a certain [[Elemental|element]] and therefore are vulnerable to opposing elemental magic. Physical attacks seem almost worthless in breaking the ''Flan''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s defense. A special Flan called ''Jumbo Flan'' could be created through the arena, which is very tough, has auto-reflect on and cast Ulitma very often. In ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'', the ''Flan''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s names is accompanied with a [[Spanish language|Spanish]] name relating to its color and element. They are ''Amarillo'' (yellow), ''Azabache'' (jet [black]), ''Azul'' (blue), ''Blanco'' (white), ''Palido'' (pale; "pearl" in the Japanese version), and ''Rojo'' (red). They bear the same appearance as their respective counterparts in ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' based on color. In the remake ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' for Game Boy Advance, an optional boss has been added named ''Master Flan'', who will summon Flans to her aid in battle. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Green Slime'''/'''Scum''', '''Gray Ooze'''/'''Slime''', '''Ochre Jelly'''/'''Ooze''' and '''Dark Flan'''/'''Muck''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Green Slime''', '''Yellow Jelly''', '''Red Mousse''','''Dark Flan''' and '''Flan Princess''' (Dawn of Souls) * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Pudding''', '''Red Marshmallow''' and '''Slime''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Cream''', '''Jelly''', '''PinkPuff''', '''Pudding''', '''Slime''' and '''Tofu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Red Mousse''', '''Yellow Jelly''', '''Purple Bavarois''', '''White Mousse''', '''Black Flan''', '''Flan Princess''', '''Golden Flan''', and '''Dust Mousse''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''BloodSlime''', '''Radiator''' and '''Shell Fish''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Flan''' and '''Muus''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Blobra''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Flan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Aqua Flan''', '''Dark Flan''', '''Flame Flan''', '''Ice Flan''', '''Jumbo Flan''', '''Snow Flan''', '''Thunder Flan''', '''Water Flan''', and * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Flan Amarillo''', '''Flan Azabache''', '''Flan Azul''', '''Flan Blanco''', '''Flan Palido''' and '''Flan Rojo''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Black Pudding''', '''Ebony Pudding''', '''Fighting Flan''', '''Immortal Flan''', '''Two-Faced Flan''', '''Empathetic Flan''' and '''Princess Pudding''' (Released in 'Treasures of Aht Urghan' Expansion) * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Flan-types: '''Flan''', '''Slime''', '''Tallow''', '''Jelly''', '''Hecteyes''', '''White Mousse''', '''Orthos''', '''Kabus''', '''Melt''', '''Foobar''', '''Oiling''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Jelly''', '''Ooze''' and '''Slime''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Cream''', '''Ice Flan''' and '''Jelly''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Dark Flan''', '''Flan''' and '''Water Flan''' == Friendly Dragon == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Friendly Dragon |- | [[Image:Hiryuu.png|64px|Friendly Dragon (Final Fantasy V - SNES)]] |} ''Friendly Dragons'' are featured in only four games in the '''[[Final Fantasy]]''' series. They are also known as '''Hiryuu''' and are a gentle version to the typical ''[[#Dragon|Dragon]]s'' of the series. In the original '''Final Fantasy''', ''Bahamut'', who is later known as a Summon is the King of Dragons. ''Friendly Dragons'' have appeared in the following games: * '''[[Final Fantasy]]''' as '''[[Bahamut]]''' and '''Dragons''' * '''[[Final Fantasy II]]''' as '''Wind Drake''' or '''Wyvern''' * '''[[Final Fantasy V]]''' as '''Hiryuu''' or '''Wind Drake''' * '''[[Final Fantasy XI]]''' as '''Wyvern (Dragoon Pet)''' == Funguar == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Funguar |- | [[Image:FFVIIBatterycap.jpg|80px|Batterycap (Final Fantasy VII)]] [[Image:FFVIIIFunguar.jpg|80px|Funguar (Final Fantasy VIII]]<br />[[Image:FFIXMyconid.png|80px|Myconid (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} A ''[[mushroom]]'' type enemy in the [[Final Fantasy|Final Fantasy series]]. They resemble a poisonous agaric mushroom. They sometimes have multiple eyes. They use spore attacks that cause sleep, and even fire magic in Final Fantasy X, which they happen to be weak against. Appears in: *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Moss Fungus''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Searcher Crown''' and '''Battery Cap''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Funguar''' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Myconid''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as '''Funguar''' and '''Exoray''' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Funguar''', '''Toadstool''', '''Fly Agaric''', '''Exoray''', '''Forest Funguar''', '''Grass Funguar''', '''Cave Funguar''', '''Jugner Funguar''', '''Marsh Funguar''', '''Poison Funguar''', '''Mycophile''', '''Myxomycete''', '''Myconid''', '''Death Cap''', and '''Shrieker''' *Also appears in ''[[Seiken Densetsu]]'' as '''Myconid''' and '''Mushboom''' *They are in ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' as '''White Mushroom''', '''Black Fungus''', and '''Rare Truffle'''. *In ''[[Chrono Trigger]]'' as '''Shiitake''' ==Gargant== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Gargant |- | [[Image:Gargant.jpg|180px|Gargant (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] |} '''[[Races of Final Fantasy#Gargant|Gargant]]s''' are huge insect-like creatures that travel underground in the world of ''Final Fantasy IX''. Travelers can use them by luring them with gargant grass, their favorite food, and either hanging onto their backs, or by using a special carriage rigged up underneath them. Their habitat is a series of underground tunnels called ''Gargant Roo'' (''Roo'' possibly from the [[French language|French]] word ''"rue"'' meaning ''street''). {{Seealso|Races of Final Fantasy#Gargant}} {{-}} ==Gargoyle== {| id="toc" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3";" align=right cellpadding=3 cellspacing=1 |- align="center" |colspan=2| '''Gargoyle''' |- align="center" |colspan=2|[[Image:GargoyleFFIX.png|left|85px|Gargoyle (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} '''Gargoyles''' take their name from the ''[[Gargoyle|statues]]'' used since medieval times to convey water away from the sides of a building which often have a grotesque demon-like appearance. The gargoyles in ''Final Fantasy'' will frequently use petrifying attacks and often take the form of humanoid demons with bat-like wings. In ''Final Fantasy V'', a pair of gargoyles guards the entrance to each dungeon with a Tablet. If the player defeats one, the other will revive it unless it is quickly defeated. In ''Final Fantasy VII'' the '''Gargoyles''' would be stone at the start of battle and if attacked while stone they couldn't be damaged. If you had hit them during that time however they would cast ''L4 Death'' when they were killed, taking out anyone with a level in a multiple of four. In ''Final Fantasy VIII'' Everet and Enoyle, the two boss enemies resembled gargoyles, but not their stone qualities. Also, the Iguion boss enemies could be considered as gargoyles, since they were originally statues brought to life. In ''Final Fantasy IX'' a '''Gargoyle''' would appear alongside the monster '''Agares'''. '''Agares''' would awaken the Gargoyle during battle, however if a ''soft'' is used on it, or Agares is defeated before it's awakened, it is instantly defeated. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Original) as '''Gargoyle''' and '''RedGargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Horned Devil''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Gargoyle''', '''Horned Devil''', and '''Rock Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Rock Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Hooligan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV#Game Boy Advance|Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Belphegor''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and '''Belfagel''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Goblin''' and '''Apokryphos''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as ''Elvoret'' and ''Elnoyle'' which is '''Gargoyle''' in ''[[Japanese]]'' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' and ''Varuna'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Gargoyle''', '''Imp''', '''Pit Lord''', '''Gargoyle Baron''', '''Elvoret''', '''Diabolos''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Avizzard''' and '''Gargoyle''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gargoyle''' {{Seealso|Gargoyle}} == Garuda == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Garuda |- | [[Image:GarudaFriendlyFFIX.png|180px|Garuda Friendly (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} '''Garuda''' is an enemy depicted as an [[Aves|avian]] humanoid in the [[Final Fantasy|Final Fantasy Series]]. It first appeared in ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as a boss monster. As with other bird enemies like '''[[Final Fantasy bestiary (N-Z)#Zu|Zuu]]''' and '''[[Final Fantasy bestiary (A-E)#Cockatrice|Cockatrice]]''', Garuda isn't always featured as a boss, but is more commonly a regular enemy, such as in ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy IX|IX]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy X|X]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]''. In most of these encounters against Garuda it is usually an easily defeated enemy. There is an exception in ''[[Final Fantasy IX|IX]]'' with a "friendly" version in addition to the standard hostile monster. The former is one of a number of "friendly" monsters that appear in ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' and which do not attack on encounter but instead ask to be "fed" various gemstone items for considerable AP (Ability points - see [[Final Fantasy IX#Gameplay|Final Fantasy IX gameplay]] for more details). The two look the same except for the colour: the regular Garuda is predominantly red and green, while the friendly version in rainbow-coloured. In ''[[Final Fantasy X|X]]/[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' it has a new attack called ''Sonic Boom'', which it uses often, and is highly similar in appearance to a number of other bird monsters. In ''[[Final Fantasy XI|XI]]'' Garuda is a usable [[Magic in the Final Fantasy series#Summon Magic|summon]] if the player completes certain quests and defeats it in battle. Garuda is considered the summon of the element "wind", and as such mostly uses the wind magic Aero, Aerora, Aeroga and rarely ''Aeroja''. In ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' it appears first as a boss and then later as a regular enemy. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Garuda''' *''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as ''Rudra'' in Japanese and ''Roc'' in the American version. *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''''WingRaptor''''' *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as ''Harpy'' and ''Harpeiy'' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Garuda''' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Garuda''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as Roc-class Fiend '''Garuda'''. *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Garuda''' (Taking a much larger role, she appears as the Avatar of wind and is summonable.) *''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Garuda''' and '''Garuda-Egi''' {{Seealso|Garuda}} ==Gigan Toad== The Gigan Toad is a common monster in the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series of video games. It usually an enemy that is found early or midway through the game. It often is immune to water and can cause poison or toad status. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Elf Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Doom Toad''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Toad-type Beasts: '''Gigan Toad''', '''Speartongue''', '''Suriander''', '''Lizard''', '''Iguion''', '''Abaddon''', '''Sneak Frog''', '''Tarask''', '''Croakadile (Kerogeros)''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gigan Toad''' ==Gigas== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Gigas |- | [[Image:Gigas.jpg|120px|Gigas (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2/Xbox360)]]<br />[[Image:Ffgigas.gif|120px|Gigas (Final Fantasy II)]] |} Gigas is a term for races of giants in the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series. The name was first used in this sense in the Squaresoft game ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', and was subsequently used in many other Squaresoft games, such as ''[[Secret of Mana]]'', often appearing as sub-bosses. In ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', one character, Umaro, is said to have the strength of a Gigas, and Terra's father, Maduin, is a Gigas Esper. Gigas appear in ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as a race of Beastmen who live in Northern regions of Vana'diel, the fictional world depicted in the game. In the first game for NES/Famicom, the ogres were most likely the prototypical version of the gigas. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Giant''', '''FrostGiant''', '''RedGiant''', '''Ogre''', '''GrOgre''', and '''WizardOgre''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as Gigas. * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Hadesgigas''', '''Gigantos''', and '''Borras'''. * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Death Gigas''' ** This is a transformation and is not fought, as well as a somewhat hidden enemy that is a 50-foot tall purple giant named '''Gigas''' at the location Whirlwind maze after receiving the Neo Bahamut Materia and going back towards the top of the crater ('''Gigas''' is not mentioned in the bestiary of the official strategy guide and will not necessarily be found every time.) On occasion it can also be encountered in the Gold Saucer Battle Arena. * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Hilgigars (''Hill Gigas'')''' (Boss) * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]/[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as Ogre-type Fiends: '''Ogre''', '''Gigas''', '''Gug''', '''Hrimthrus''', '''Bashura''', '''Kottos''', '''Wendigo''' (Boss) * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as Ranger, Beastmaster, Warrior, or Monk '''Gigas''' beastmen * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Headless type Giants: '''Blood Gigas''', '''Striker''', '''Wendigo''', '''Daedalus'''(Boss). The Esper '''Belias''' is a powerful gigas that Raithwall defeated in his youth and a summonable Esper * ''[[Secret of Mana]]'' - another Squaresoft game * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gigas''' and '''Jack Moschet''' or '''Gigas Lord''' {{Seealso|Gigas|Ogre}} == Goblin == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Goblin |- | [[Image:Goblin FFXI.jpg|80px|Goblin (Final Fantasy XI - PC)]]<br />[[Image:Goblin (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|80px|Goblin (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]][[Image:GoblinFFIX.png|left|100px|Goblin (Final Fantasy IX)]][[Image:GoblinFFC.png|left|65px|Goblin (Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles)]][[Image:GoblinFFV.png|right|55px|Goblin (Final Fantasy V)]] |} The '''[[Goblin#Goblins in modern games|Goblin]]''' is an evil or mischievous creature of [[folklore]], often described as a grotesquely disfigured or [[elf]]-like [[phantom]]. The creature that appears in the series has always been called ''Goblin'' (except in the ''[[Nintendo Entertainment System]]'' release of ''Final Fantasy''), but this is not to be confused with ''Final Fantasy VI'', where an original monster called ''Satan'' in the [[Japanese language|Japanese]] version was mistranslated as ''Goblin''. In ''Final Fantasy V'', there is a slight difference in appearance between the ''Goblins'' that Bartz (the main character) fights in solo battles and the ''Goblins'' that subsequently appear as ordinary monsters on the field. In ''Final Fantasy XI'', the Goblin race is capable of coexistence with 'civilized races', and several appear in the city of [[Jeuno]]. In some of the games, their special attack 'Goblin Punch' can often be learned by the party via blue magic or other methods. Appeared in: * ''Final Fantasy'' as '''Goblin'''/'''Imp''' * ''Final Fantasy II'', ''Final Fantasy III'', ''Final Fantasy V'', ''Final Fantasy VII'', ''Final Fantasy IX'', ''Final Fantasy XI'', ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'', and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Goblin''' * ''Final Fantasy IV'' as '''Imp''' (also a secret summon for [[Rydia]]), '''Imp Cap.''', '''Dark Imp''', and '''Tricker'''. * ''Final Fantasy IV Advance'' as '''Goblin''' (also a summon), '''Domovoi''', '''Goblin Captain''', '''Li'l Murderer''', and '''Goblin Prince''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Goblin''' and '''Red Cap''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Brownie''', '''Mint Mint''' and '''Red Cap''' * ''[[Chocobo Racing]]'' as '''Goblin''' {{Seealso|Goblin}} ==Gods & Goddesses== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Gods & Goddesses |- | [[Image:Angelic Kefka Palazzo.png|127px|Kefka Palazzo Final Form (Final Fantasy VI - SNES]] [[Image:FFVI Goddess.png|120px|Goddess (Final Fantasy VI - SNES)]] |} '''[[God]]s''' and '''[[Goddess|Goddesses]]''' are often bosses in the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series. They are either ancient entities, like the Occuria, or [[mortal]]s that have [[ascension|ascended]] via nefarious means (ie, [[List of Final Fantasy VI characters#Kefka Palazzo|Kefka Palazzo]] using the Statues, Sephiroth using Lifestream, Ultimecia using Time Compression and so on). [[Final Fantasy X]]'s Yu Yevon is technically a god, as he is the subject of worship by the Yevonite religion. Additionally [[Final Fantasy Tactics]]' Ajora is a religious figure at the center of the Glabados Church, and the final boss Altima, leader of the Zodiac demons, could be considered one as well. Gods and goddesses are typically faced in the last parts of the game, and are often the final bosses. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Poltergeist''', '''Doom''', '''Goddess''' and '''Kefka Palazzo''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Safer Sephiroth''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Ultimecia''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Yu Yevon''' *''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Altima''' == Golem == The '''Golems''' originate from [[Jewish folklore]] where they are beings crafted and animated out of otherwise inanimate material (such as clay). In Final Fantasy the '''Golems''' are giant humanoid monsters made of stone, metal, and are sometimes portrayed as machines that have high defence and primarily attack with sheer brute force. In ''Final Fantasy IX'' you only had to destroy the Sand Golem's ''core'' to kill it. In ''Final Fantasy V'', ''VI'', and ''Tactics'' it also appears as a ''summon''. In ''Final Fantasy Mystic Quest'' the '''Ice Golem''' is one of the four monsters that have usurped the Crystals powers, it has used the Water Crystal to freeze the land, and is in possession of the ''River Coin''. The '''Stone Golem''' is one of the four guardians of ''Doom Castle'', and is the boss in the ''Sand Maze''. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Mud Gol''', '''Rock Gol''', '''Iron Gol''' * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Clay Golem''', '''Stone Golem''', and '''Mythril Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Wood Golem''', '''Stone Golem''', and '''Mythril Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''StoneMan''', '''StaleMan''', and '''IronMan''', * ''[[Final Fantasy IV#Game Boy Advance|Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Steel Golem''', '''Stone Golem''', and '''Mythril Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''LumbrBeast''', '''Stone Golem''', and summon '''Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as summon '''Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Golem''', '''Ice Golem''', and '''Armored Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Sand Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as Defender-Type ancient machina: '''Defender''', '''Defender X''' (Boss), and '''Defender Z''', '''YSLS-Zero''' and '''YSLS-99''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Golems''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Golem-types: '''Treant''', '''Clay Golem''', '''Golem''', '''Mythril Golem''', '''Babel''', '''Roblon''', '''Amstle''', '''Jagger Norte''', '''Tower''', '''Goliath''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as summon '''Golem''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Ice Golem''' (Boss) and '''Stone Golem''' (Boss) {{Seealso|Golem}} == Hecteyes == '''Hecteyes''' is a jelly with multiple eyes. Its appearance may be based on the mythological creature named '''[[Argus Panoptes|Argus]]''' combined with a Flan. In ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'', it is called '''Eight Eyes''', though it clearly has more than 15. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' and ''Eyemeba'' *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as ''Eight Eyes'' in America and '''''Hecteyes''''' in Japan *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''''Hecteyes''''' and ''Argus'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as 'Flan-types': '''Hecteyes''', '''Melt''' {{Seealso|Argus Panoptes}} == Helms == A classification of Fiend from [[Final Fantasy X]] series. It has a hard carapace which protects it from physical attacks, but somehow makes it vulnerable to magic like the game says. While there is no magical weakness it still succumbs rather quickly with magical attacks. It is immune to curse spells. * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Raldo''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Madfet''', '''Raldo''', '''Shred''', '''Swamp Madfet''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Armlet''', '''Barbuta''', '''Bascinet''', '''Bicocette''', '''Heavy Sallet''', '''Sallet''' == Hornet == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Hornet |- | [[Image:Granaldo.jpg|80px|Granaldo Hornet (Final Fantasy VIII)]]<br />[[Image:HornetIX.png|80px|Hornet (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} '''''Hornet''''' enemies are well known in the '''''[[Final Fantasy]]''''' series, they look like real life hornets but larger in size. In Final Fantasy X the special arena version of the bee enemies are called Hornet. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Hornet''' and '''Queen Bee''' *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Origins) & (Dawn of Souls) as '''Hornet''', ''Wasp'', ''Killer Bee'' and ''Queen Bee'' *''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Killer Bee''' and '''Hornet''' *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Hornet''', '''Mind Candy''' and '''Bug''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as ''Granaldo'' and ''Bitebug'' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Hornet''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as '''Hornet''', ''Killerbee'', ''Bitebug'', ''Niberos'' and ''Wasp'' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Hornet''' and ''Killerbee'' ==Iguion== A type of Lizard monster. An arena-version called Ornitholostes could be fought in Final Fantasy X. Most of them are sometimes mixed with the Basilisks, especially in earlier games. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Original) as '''Iguana''', '''Agama''', and '''Sauria''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Origins) as '''Lizard''', '''Fire Lizard''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Lizard''', '''Fire Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Origins) as '''Salamander''', and '''Frost Lizard''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' (Dawn of Souls) as '''Salamander''', '''Ice Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Ice Liz''', and '''BlackLiz''' ** ''[[Final Fantasy IV#Game Boy Advance|Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Ice Lizard''', '''Black Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Doublizard''' and '''Twin Lizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Lizard''' and '''Geckorex''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Iguion (Schmelze)''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as Reptile-type Fiends: '''Cave Iguion (Cave Schmelze)''', '''Dionix (Deinonychus)''', '''Iguion''', '''Ipiria''', '''Melusine''', '''Ornitholestes''', '''Raptor''', '''Yowie''', '''Zaurus''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as Reptile-type Fiends: '''Gecko''', '''Agama''', '''Skink''', '''Anole''', '''Archaeothyris''', '''Lacerta''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Toad-type Beasts: '''Lizard''', '''Iguion''' == Imp == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Imp |- | [[Image:Impxi.jpg|80px|Imp (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2)]]<br />[[Image:Imp FFX.jpg|80px|Imp/Arast (Final Fantasy X/X-2 - PS2)]] |} The '''Imp''' is a term for a supernatural being similar to a [[fairy]], frequently found in [[folklore]]. A being described as an imp would be more likely to be mischievous than seriously threatening, which is displayed in their ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' impressions. Additionally, in ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', the ''Imp'' does not appear as a regular monster, but rather as a status effect, which can be inflicted on monsters as well as on [[Player character|playable characters]], which mutates them into a so-called ''Imp''. The characters resemble [[Kappa (mythical creature)|Kappa]], but "Imp" is still used, while the monsters transform into, and are actually addressed as ''Kappa'' differing on color depending on the monster which was transformed. The creature that appears in the series has always been called ''Imp'', but this is not to be confused with the original game, ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' for the ''[[Nintendo Entertainment System]]'', or ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'', where the ''Goblin'' was mistranslated as an ''Imp''. Additionally, in ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'', there was a [[Sprite (computer graphics)|sprite]] for a real ''Imp'' and not a ''Goblin'' mistranslated, but it got [[Dummy|dummied]], leaving two other monsters as the only "official" ''Imps'' left. They are ''Fiend'' and ''Gremlin''. ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' has a monster named ''Arast'' looking exactly the same as the ''Imp'' from ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Imp''' and '''Galkimasera''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Fiend''' and '''Gremlin''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Gremlin''' and '''Mini Satana''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Imp''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Cave Imp''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as '''Gandarewa''', '''Aerouge''', '''Varuna''', and '''Vidatu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X-2]]'' as '''Arast''', '''Zurvan''', and '''Varan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Imp''', '''Orderly Imp''', '''Heraldic Imp''', '''Seneschal Imp''', '''Watch Imp''', '''Windjammer Imp''' and '''Devilet''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Gargoyle''', '''Imp''', '''Gargoyle Baron''', '''Elvoret''', '''Bloodwing''', and '''Pit Lord''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Gremlin''' {{Seealso|Imp}} == Iron Giant == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Iron Giant |- | [[Image:Iron Giant FFX.jpg|120px|left|Iron Giant (Final Fantasy X/X-2 - PS2)]]<br />[[Image:Iron Man (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|120px|Iron Man (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Iron Giant''' is a formidable opponent of the series. It appears as a towering, oversized empty suit of armor who often possesses an equally oversized sword. In ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'', '''Iron Giant''' makes its appearance under the name '''Steel Giant''', sharing the same appearance with the characters '''Worker 8''' and '''Worker 7 - New''' whose character class is '''Iron Giant'''. Also there is '''Wolfmeister''' who is a swap palette of '''Iron Giant''', It is in Red armor rather than black. A boss variation of this form was used in ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]],'' under the name '''Red Giant'''. It would taunt and laugh at the party when most attacks were used against it, but was weak against gravity-type magic. A unique type of Iron Giant called Ironclad could be created via the arena in Final fantasy X. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy III (Nintendo DS)]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''X-2'' and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Iron Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'': ''Dawn of Souls'' as '''Iron Giant''' and '''Steel Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' (DS)": as the '''Iron Giant''' superboss. * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''MacGiant''' and '''RedGiant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]] Advance'' as '''Giant Soldier''', '''Giant Warrior''', and '''Iron Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Iron Giant''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Iron Man''' in America and '''Iron Giant''' in and '''Wolfmeister''' [[Japan]] * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Iron Giant''' and '''Red Giant''' (Boss) * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as '''Ironclad''' and ''Gemini'' in American and '''Wolframiter''' in Japan * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Steel Giant''' == Kraken == The '''[[Kraken]]''' comes from sea folklore. It is said to be a gigantic squid-like monster, which snares ships on the far sea with its tentacles and lead its sailors to doom. Because it lives in the sea, the Kraken is often associated with the Water [[crystal]]. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Kraken''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Kraken''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' (Nintendo DS) as '''Kraken''' ==Kindred== The '''Kindred''' (also known as '''Demons''') are winged [[beastmen]] found mainly in the Valdeaunia Region in ''Final Fantasy XI''. It is said that their damage-absorbing outer shell was once armor that was enhanced by an evil enchantment. In addition to their highly advanced fighting skills, they are also known to possess high levels of intelligence, which they have used to acquire various types of potent magic. Due to their pitch-black color and ominous appearance, the inhabitants of [[Vana'diel]] came to call these beastmen "Demons." However, Demons refer to themselves as "the Kindred." This, along with many other questions about their origins, still remain unanswered. During the Great War, the Demons served as the Shadow Lord's elite guard, ruling over the other beastmen with fear. To ensure the other beastmen were following orders, many of the Demons would act as messengers, traveling to and from Castle Zvahl. When the Great War was over, the Demons vanished. However, with recent rumors of the Shadow Lord's return, there have been Demon sightings in Valdeaunia. While there are many theories about their origin, the most popular one is that the Shadow Lord made a pact with them after traveling deep into hell. {{Seealso|Demon}} == Lamia/Marilith == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Lamia |- | [[Image:Lamia FFIX.png|120px|left|Lamia (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]][[Image:MarilithFFIX.png|left|90px|Marilith (Final Fantasy IX)]] |} The '''[[Lamia (mythology)|Lamia]]''' is a mythological person: the daughter of [[Poseidon]] and [[Lybie]]. Lamia was a queen of [[Libya]], whom [[Zeus]] loved. But Hera's jealousy got her and made her in to a half-snake women, which would now steal babies. Lamia is described as having a [[snake|serpent]]'s body, but female breasts and head, however, in certain games, her appearance is totally snake-like and sometimes slug-like. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Marilith'''/'''Kary''' * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' through ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'', and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Lamia''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Lamia''' and '''Lilith''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Lilith''', '''Lamia Matriarch''', '''Lamia''', and '''Lamia Queen''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Lamia''' and '''Lamia Queen''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Lamiae''', included in last expansion pack, ''[[Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan|Treasures of Aht Urhgan]]'' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Marilith''' {{Seealso|Lamia (mythology)}} == Lich == The ''[[Lich]]'' is an another creature from Dungeons and Dragons. The lich is an undead sorcerer, who used his magick to gain unnatural immortality. They usually scheme evil plots that could take decades and centuries to fruition, since they don't have the fear of time and death. Since the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series make ''[[undeads]]'' related to the Earth ''[[crystal]]'', Lich gets to be the Fiend/Guardian of Earth. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as ''Lich'' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as ''Lich'' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as ''Lich'', who is actually a renamed ''[[Zombie]]''. * ''[[Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles]]'' as ''Lich'' == Magic Pot == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Magic Pot |- align="center" | [[Image:Magicpotxi.jpg|80px|Magic Pot (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2)]] [[Image:Magic Pot FFX.jpg|80px|Magic Pot (Final Fantasy X - PS2)]] [[Image:Magic Pot (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|80px|Magic Pot (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Magic Pot''' is the name of the creature which inhabits a pot and chooses to fight inside the pot using it to its defense. Because of it's general immobility, it favours [[Final Fantasy magic|magical attacks]]. ''Final Fantasy V'' and ''Final Fantasy VI'' use the same [[Sprite (computer graphics)|sprite]] for this monster. In Final Fantasy V, the party may give the Magic Pot elixirs when it asks for them; when it has enough, it will flee and the party will receive a large amount of ABP. In ''Final Fantasy VI'', the MagiUrn is found in the Tower of Fanatics, and instead of asking for items, gives them to the player (in the form of using them on the player). In ''Final Fantasy VII'', Magic Pots can only be found in the last area of the game. Rather than attacking, they request that the player give them an elixir item - until one is given, they take zero (0) damage from any and all attacks, magic or physical, and alternately attack the party with what appear to be cursewords, or flee the battle entirely. Note that the cursewords may also steal items from the party. If an Elixir is given, they become susceptible to damage and, once killed, bestow a large amount of AP (''Ability Points'') on the party. This behavior is replicated in the PuPu in ''Final Fantasy VIII'', who requests several Elixirs in order to receive his ''Triple Triad'' card, and the nine fairy spirits in ''Final Fantasy IX'', which request various precious stones from the player in exchange for AP, hints, and the ability to reach optional boss Ozma with melee weapons (thereby making the battle much easier). In ''Final Fantasy X'', Magic Pots do nothing, but when a player attacks one, they will either give them an item or explode. In ''Final Fantasy XI'', magic pots are aggressive to spellcasting but do not request any items. It appears only three Magic Pots exist in Final Fantasy XII and are all found in a late secret subterra area in the Pharos dungeon (each in one of the different floors). Like in Final Fantasy VII, a Magic Pot would ask for an Elixir and can only be subdued after been given one. The player can, however, steal back the Elixir after giving. Defeating a Magic Pot results in 123LP gained by each character. The FFXII Magic Pots also does a ton of damage and can drop players at level 99 in a matter of seconds if not given the Elixir and provoked. Appeared in: * ''Final Fantasy V'', ''Final Fantasy VII'', ''Final Fantasy X'', ''Final Fantasy XI'', and ''Final Fantasy XII'' as '''Magic Pot''' * ''Final Fantasy VI'' as '''Magic Urn''' == Malboro == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Malboro |- | [[Image:Morbol Yellow.jpg|180px|Morbol (Final Fantasy XI - PC)]] <br />[[Image:Malboro (Final Fantasy VII) PC.jpg|120px|Malboro (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Malboro''' is a mutanous form of plantlife that lacks the ability of photosynthesis and must feed on other creatures to survive. The Malboro is a fearsome foe most despised due to its horrible "Bad Breath" attack that often inflicts multiple random status effects. This can incapacitate a character until he or she is healed. The Malboro as seen in the various ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' titles developed by [[Square Co., Ltd.|Squaresoft]] (now known as [[Square Enix]]) is a powerful enemy often encountered middle to late parts of the game. The name 'Malboro' may also be a joke within the Final Fantasy series, naming it after the cigarette brand [[Marlboro (cigarette)|Marlboro]] as it uses the ability 'Bad Breath'. It is also possible it was comprised from Latin '''Mal''', meaning bad, and Greek '''Boros''', meaning breath. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' through ''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''X-2'', and ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Malboro'''/'''Morbol''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Malboro''', '''Great Malboro''', and '''Worst Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Mad Oscar''' and '''Evil Oscar''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' as Malboro-type Fiends: '''Malboro''', '''Great Malboro''', '''Malboro Menace''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Malboro''', '''Ochu''', and '''Morbol''' in varying descriptions to denote difficulty * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Malboro-type Plants: '''Malboro''', '''Great Malboro''', '''Wild Malboro''', '''Malboro King''', '''Malboro Overking''', '''Cassie''', '''Vivian''', '''Kris''', '''Carrot''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Morbol''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' as '''Malboro''' and '''Big Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles]]'' Other Appearances: * ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'' in the '''Malboro Garden''' stage * ''[[Legend of Mana]]'' as '''Malboro''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Unlimited]]'', a "Malboro Stew" in episode 6. == Mamool Ja == A race of lizard-like Beastmen in ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' that rule over the Mamool Ja Savagelands. Their name meaning "brethren of the shining scale," the Mamool Ja are divived into four castes: warriors, aquatics, sages, and knights. One from each caste is selected to be a member of the four overlords that lead the race. == Mandragora == {| id="toc" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid #ffc9c9; color: #000; background-color: #fff3f3";" align=right cellpadding=3 cellspacing=1 |- align="center" |colspan=2| '''Mandragora''' |- align="center" |colspan=2|[[Image:MandragoraFFIX.png|left|95px|''Mandragora (Final Fantasy IX)'']] |} '''Mandragora''' is a tiny plant monster that made numerous appearances in ''[[Final Fantasy]]''. Sometimes known as '''Mandrake'''. They commonly use an attack call ''pollen'' that inflicts ''sleep'' or ''silence'' on its enemies. In FFXII, one of the boss fights involve '''Mandragora Prince''', '''Alraune King''', '''Onion Queen''', '''Pumpkin Star''', & '''Topstalk''', which are superpowered versions of Mandragora, Alraune, Wild Onion, Pumkinhead, and Deadly Nightshade respectively. Appeared in: *''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as ''Leg Eater'' and ''Man Eater'' *''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as ''Earth Plant'' *''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as ''Death Beauty'' *''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Mandragora''' and ''Mandrake'' *''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Trilium''', '''Over Grunk''', and '''Mandrake''' *''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as '''Mandragora''' *''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as ''Grat'' *''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Mandragora''' *''[[Final Fantasy X]]''/''[[Final Fantasy X-2|X-2]]'' as Plant-type Fiends: '''Grat''', '''Mandragora''', '''Sandragora''' *''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Mandragora, Pygmaioi, Sylvestre, Alraune, Korrigan''' *''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Mandragora''', '''Ripe Rampager''', '''Mandragora Prince''', '''Alraune''', '''Alraune King''', '''Wild Onion''', '''Onion Queen''', '''Pumpkin Head''', '''Pumpkin Star''', '''Deadly Nightshade''', '''Rogue Tomato''', & '''Topstalk'''. {{Seealso|Mandragoras}} == Manta == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Manta |- | [[Image:CurvedCircleFriendly.png|120px|Friendly Curved Circle (Final Fantasy IX)]] [[Image:CurvedCircle.png|120px|Curved Circle (Final Fantasy IX)]]<br />[[Image:FFVIIManta.png|160px|Manta (Final Fantasy)]] |} '''Manta''' is a '''[[Final Fantasy]]''' monster that strongly resembles a [[manta ray]]. It made its first appearance in ''[[Final Fantasy II]]''. In ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' There is a "friendly" one as well as a "hostile" one. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy II]]'' as '''Sting Ray''' and '''Sand Ray''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as '''Manta''', '''Firefly''', and '''Frostfly''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Sting Ray''' and '''Pas de Seul''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Sand Ray''' and '''Desert Ray''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' as ''DiverNest'' in [[North America|America]] and '''Manta''' in [[Japan]] * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as '''Gayla''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Feather Circle''' in [[English language|English]] and '''Curved Circle''' in [[Japanese language|Japanese]] * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Manta''' {{-}} == Mermaid == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Mermaid |- | [[Image:Mermaid FFO-I.png|right|Mermaid (Final Fantasy - PS)]] |} '''Mermaids''' are a race of [[legendary creature]]s bearing the appearance of half-fish, half-human and are featured in ''[[Final Fantasy]]''. They have the ability to breathe underwater. They also appear in ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as monsters on the field. {{Seealso|Mermaid}} {{-}} == Mimic == A creature that imprisonates the form of a treasure chest, ambushing those fooled by its trick. Mimics in Final Fantasy IX appeared only briefly in the city of Burmecia. In FFXII, the creatures were the result of a researcher crafting a weapon for use against the dragon Yiazmat. He crafted the insectoid Mimics to possess the ability to "learn" and "grow", with some able to feed on electrity. But both his experiments and his being rejected by the client who commissioned his work drove him insane. One of these Mimics, the '''Omega Mark XIII''' was more advanced as was able to grow independently via an invention called the Growth Lattice, generating the energy it needs to live by filtering and condensing Mist from the air. It escaped from his client's basement along with the '''Mimic Queen''' that set up a colony in the Barheim Passage until it was killed by Vaan and company. Omega MK. XII, remains missing, and lives at the Great Crystal. * [[Final Fantasy IX]] as '''Mimic''' * [[Final Fantasy X]] as '''Mimic''' * [[Final Fantasy XII]] as Mimic-type insects: '''Mimic''', '''Battery Mimic''', '''Mimic Queen'''(Boss), '''Mimeo''', '''Pandora''' (possibly a reference to [[Pandora's Box]]),'''Omega Mark XII''' (Optional Superboss) == Mindflayer == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Mindflayer |- | [[Image:Drakan FFIX.png|80px|Drakan (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] |} The '''MindFlayer''' is one of the four classic monsters to originate directly from [[Dungeons and Dragons]], the other three being the Sahag, Beholder, and Ochu. MindFlayers are semi-humanoid beings with a [[squid]]-like head with [[parapsychology|psychic powers]] that often live in moist caverns and underground cities. They capture cave dwellers and other creatures living underground such as [[drow]] and [[dwarf|dwarves]], using them as slaves and as a food source, much like [[cattle]]. Their signature attack is ''Mind Blast'' which is thought to cause confusion. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Mindflayer'''/'''Sorcerer''', '''Piscodemon'''/'''Wizard''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' as '''Mage''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IV Advance]]'' as '''Mind Flayer''' and '''Mist Kraken''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Mind Flare''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Drakan''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'' as '''Soulflayer''', '''Psycheflayer''', and '''Nepionic Soulflayer''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as '''Mindflayer''' and '''Piscodaemon''' {{Seealso|Illithid}} == Minotaur == {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Minotaur |- | [[Image:Minotaurxi.jpg|120px|Minotaur (Final Fantasy XI - PC/PS2)]]<br />[[Image:Minotaur FFVIII.jpg|120px|Minotaur (Final Fantasy VIII - PS)]] |} In [[Greek mythology]], the '''Minotaur''' was a creature that was half-man and half-[[bull (mythology)|bull]]. It dwelt in the [[Labyrinth]], which was an elaborate maze constructed by King [[Minos]] of [[Crete]] and designed by the architect [[Daedalus]] to hold the ''Minotaur''. The ''Minotaur'' was eventually killed by [[Theseus]]. The enemy Minotaur appears as an optional boss battle and also as a Guardian force, Minotaur will use earth attacks and fights with his younger (although bigger) brother named Sacred. Using float on the party and the bosses will mean an easy victory, as when they are touching the ground they can heal themselves every turn. In Final Fantasy V, the Minotaur appeared at the top of the Fork Tower's "might" branch, guarding the ultimate White Magic, Holy, and using strong physical attacks to defend it. Strangely enough, while he is supposed to cast Holy on the player's party as his final attack before dying, because he has no MP, he cannot do so. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' as '''Minotaur'''/'''Bull''' * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]'', and ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' as '''Minotaur''' * ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'' as '''Minitaurus''', '''Bull Demon''', and '''Sacred''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]'' as the '''Brothers''' Guardian Force {{Seealso|Minotaur|Bull (mythology)}} ==Mover== {| class="infobox" style="text-align:center;" ! Mover |- | [[Image:Mover FFIX.jpg|75px|Mover (Final Fantasy IX - PS)]] [[Image:Mover (Final Fantasy VII) PC.png|52px|Mover (Final Fantasy VII - PC)]] |} The '''Mover''' is a small, bug-like, bouncing or hyperactive sphere. It is a low lifeform and isn't capable of much and therefore does not prove much of a difficulty in battle, but it has a very high flee rate and can dodge almost every attack. In ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'', it appears in groups of three units and if not defeated quickly they can use an ultimate attack, Delta Attack, that can cause instant death/petrification to a party member. Movers are usually worth lots of experience points and Gil. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' through ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Mover''' ==Mu== '''Mu''' are squirrel-like creatures that are usually no threat. However, they may have some devastating moves. Appeared in: * ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' as ''Petit Mage'' and '''Mu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy V]]'' as '''Nut Eater''', '''Skull Eater''' and '''Soul Eater''' (Advance) * ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' as '''Rhodox''', '''Peepers''', and '''Poppers''' * ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'', ''Final Fantasy IX'' and ''Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles'' as '''Mu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy IX]]'' as '''Mu''' * ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' as Dreamhare-type Beasts. 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After that, the page only needs to be saved with "Publish" in the bottom left corner. {{center/end}} <inputbox> type=create default={{#titleparts: {{FULLPAGENAME}} | 2 }}/ Table of Contents break=no preload=Vorlage:OpenRewi/TOC </inputbox>}} {{BookCat}} gez4cgq1wo9jegwrrp74dofgwpw9pa6 0 446445 4639331 4301762 2026-06-08T14:39:47Z ~2026-33827-33 3603350 4639331 wikitext text/x-wiki In mathematics, the Madhava-Leibniz formula for π, was discovered in India by Indian mathematician and astronomer Madhava of Sangamagrama, Kerala in 14th or 15th century. It was rediscovered and named after 17th century mathematician {{w|Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz}}, states that <math display=block>1-\frac{1}{3}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{9}-\cdots=\frac{\pi}{4},</math> an alternating series. While the series is easy to write and calculate, it is a very inefficient method for calculating <math>\pi</math>, so it is seldom used in modern calculations of <math>\pi</math>. ==Proof== By the {{w|alternating series test}}, this series converges. It satisfies both of the test's criteria: * I) The terms decrease monotonically in absolute value. * II) The terms tend to 0 as the index <math>n</math> tends to infinity. Leibniz' formula for <math>\pi</math> is a special case of the Gregory's series for the arctangent, <math>\arctan x = x - \frac{x^3}{3} + \frac{x^5}{5} - \frac{x^7}{7} + \cdots </math>, discovered by mathematician James Gregory in 1668. Since <math>\tan \frac{\pi}{4} = 1 </math>, and thus, <math>\arctan 1 = \frac{\pi}{4}</math>, the formula is derived, and proved, by plugging <math>x = 1</math> into Gregory's series. It is worth noting that <math>x = 1</math> lies on the boundary of the circle of convergence for Gregory's series. For <math>x>1</math>, the alternating series fails both criteria: for <math>x>1</math>, the terms ''increase'' in absolute value, and the terms tend to ''infinity'', the opposite of what needs to be true for an alternating series to converge. Even a value of <math>x</math> very close to 1, but still greater than it, such as <math>x = 1.0001</math>, still lies outside the series' radius of convergence. ==Table== The following is a table of the first 10 partial sums and a selected list of other notable partial sums. This series converges to <math>\frac{\pi}{4},</math> which to 16 significant figures, is 0.7853981633974483. The approximations for <math>\pi</math> itself, found by multiplying the partial sums by four, are also shown. To 16 significant figures, <math>\pi = 3.1415926535897932</math>. Note: The second and third partial sums are exactly <math> \frac{2}{3} </math> and <math> \frac{13}{15}</math>, respectively. Both decimals feature a repeating "6"; for these entries, only the first three sixes are shown, followed by three dots to show that the sixes repeat endlessly. For all later terms, the sums are rounded to 9 digits after the decimal point, or the nearest billionth. {| class="wikitable" |- !n!!Partial Sum!!Approximation for pi |- |1||1||4 |- |2||0.666...||2.666... |- |3||0.8666...||3.4666... |- |4||0.723809524||2.895238095 |- |5||0.834920635||3.339682540 |- |6||0.744011544||2.976046176 |- |7||0.820934621||3.283738484 |- |8||0.754267954||3.017071817 |- |9||0.813091484||3.252365935 |- |10||0.760459905||3.041839619 |- |11||0.808078952||3.232315809 |- |12||0.764600691||3.058402766 |- |50||0.780398663||3.121594653 |- |100||0.782898226||3.131592903 |- |250||0.784398167||3.137592670 |- |500||0.784898164||3.139592656 |- |1000||0.785148163||3.140592654 |- |5000||0.785348163||3.141392654 |- |10000||0.785373163||3.141492654 |- |25000||0.785388163||3.141552654 | |} ===An interesting curiosity=== You may have noticed that the later partial sums chosen at "round" numbers like 100 or 5000, look very similar to the limiting sums. For example, the partial sum of 3.131592903 at 100 terms, even after disagreeing with "3.14159265..." with a "3" instead of a "4" on the second digit, agrees for the next four digits, sharing the "1592" part. And the partial sum of 3.140592654 at 1000 terms differs on the third digit, but then goes on to agree with pi on the "59265" part. Similar behavior can also be seen in the second column of partial sums, such as the 250th term, which disagrees on the third digit but agrees from the fourth digit to the eighth digit (0.78'''4'''39816 instead of 0.78'''5'''39816). This pattern is very consistent throughout the remaining partial sums in the table. This is not an accident. This can be predicted using the {{w|Euler numbers}}. For any positive integer <math>n</math>, one can get a very close approximation of the <math>n</math>th approximation for <math>\pi</math> with the following formula: * If <math>n</math> is odd, the <math>n</math>th approximation for <math>\pi</math> is approximately <math>\pi + \frac{1}{n}</math>, and the <math>n</math>th partial sum is approximately <math>\frac{\pi}{4} + \frac{1}{4n}</math>. * If <math>n</math> is even, the <math>n</math>th approximation for <math>\pi</math> is approximately <math>\pi - \frac{1}{n}</math>, and the <math>n</math>th partial sum is approximately <math>\frac{\pi}{4} - \frac{1}{4n}</math>. The error of this approximation is on the order of <math>n^{-3}</math> so this approximation is remarkably accurate even for relatively small values of <math>n</math>. Even after only four terms, the approximation of 0.722898163 predicted by the formula differs from the true partial sum of 0.723809524 by only about <math>\frac{1}{1100}</math>, which is less than 10⁻³. The error is less than 10⁻⁶ for all <math>n>40</math> and less than 10⁻¹⁰ for all <math>n>856</math>. {{BookCat}} d39wn46o0q421lxpzgtewwy41ghy052 0 447050 4639369 4638499 2026-06-08T17:40:19Z ShakespeareFan00 46022 4639369 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Section 1.1 - Introduction== '''Geometry''' comes from two words: '''geo''' which means Earth and '''metry''' meaning measure. Therefore, geometry means "measuring the Earth". This branch of mathematics deals with the understanding of point and lines and their combinations. In other words, geometry is a type of maths used to measure things that are impossible to measure with devices. For example, no one has been able take a tape measure around the Earth, yet we are pretty confident that the circumference of the planet at the equator is {{convert|40075.036|km}}. How do we know that? The first known case of calculating the distance around the Earth was done by {{w|Eratosthenes}} around 240 BCE. What tools do you think current scientists might use to measure the size of planets? The answer is geometry. However, geometry is more than measuring the size of objects. If you were to ask someone who had taken geometry in high school what it is that s/he remembers, the answer would most likely be proofs. If you were to ask him/her what it is that s/he liked the least, the answer would probably be proofs. A study of Geometry does not have to include proofs. Proofs are not unique to Geometry. Proofs could have been done in algebra or delayed until calculus. The reason that High School Geometry almost always spends a lot of time with proofs is that the first great Geometry textbook, "The Elements," was written exclusively with proofs. This textbook is based on Euclidean geometry. Euclidean refers to a book written over two thousand years ago called {{w|Euclid's_Elements|The Elements}} by a man named Euclid. In this book Euclid provides methods using just a compass, ruler and a protractor to prove geometrical statements. His method influences the way geometry is taught today. Euclid's book was part of the math curriculum until the beginning of the twentieth century. ==Section 1.2 - Reasoning== There are two general ways of reaching conclusions: inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning. ===Inductive Reasoning=== Inductive reasoning is the method we use more often, reaching a conclusion based on previous observations. For example, if I notice that the Sun rises in the east every day, then through inductive reasoning, I could conclude that the Sun will rise from the east tomorrow. In math, we may notice a pattern from which we draw conclusions. Look at the following pattern: :{| style="border:1px solid #999; text-align:center;" cellspacing="20" |- |<math>1^2=1</math>,||<math>1\le1</math> |- |<math>2^2=4</math>,||<math>2\le4</math> |- |<math>3^2=9</math>,||<math>3\le9</math> |- |<math>(-1)^2=1</math>,||<math>-1\le1</math> |- |<math>(-2)^2=4</math>,||<math>-2\le4</math> |} Through inductive reasoning, we may conclude that whenever a number is squared, the result is a number which is greater than or equal to the original number. Based on the result of squaring whole numbers, this appears to be true. Inductive logic is not certain, though. There are some numbers for which our conclusion does not hold: :{| style="border:1px solid #999; text-align:center;" cellspacing="20" |- |<math>\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^2=\frac{1}{4}</math> |- |<math>\frac{1}{2}>\frac{1}{4}</math> |} The same can be applied to problems outside of Math. A foreign observer of American baseball may conclude after watching several games that the game consists of nine innings. He will only realize that this observation is false after observing a game that is tied after nine innings. Inductive reasoning is useful, but not certain. There will always be a chance that there is an observation that will show the reasoning to be false. Only one observation is needed to prove the conclusion to be false. This theory was first formulated by Kuhn in his study of the laws of induction. The question being one of whether a paradigm has the correct generalizations to proceed to a conclusion that is factual. ---- Much of the reasoning in geometry is like this, consisting of three simple stages (see example A): ;1. Look for commonalities :A pattern. ;2. Make a conjecture: :An unproven statement that you will prove. ;3. Prove/disprove :The conjecture. ===Deductive Reasoning=== Deductive reasoning is reaching a conclusion by combining known truths to create a new truth. Unlike inductive reasoning, deductive reasoning is certain, provided that the normal rules of logic are used to conclude such truths. In order to use deductive reasoning there must be a starting point, normally called the axioms or postulates of the theory. For example, an axiom in geometry asserts that given two points, there is only one line that contains both points. Observe that while this is an axiom, it can be used to deduce that two different lines that are not parallel will intersect at only one point. Not only axioms can be used to deduce new truths. Other knowledge deduced from the axioms using the rules of logic can be used to validate new truths. For example, we can conclude that if three points A, B and C are not in the same line, the lines determined by two of them can only meet at A, B and C (since we already know that two lines can only intersect at one point, all that is necessary to prove is that the lines determined by two of the three points are different, and that is immediate since the given points do not belong to any one line). ===Vocabulary=== <b>conjecture</b>: A statement in need of proof. <span style="font-size:medium">'''Example A:''' Making a Conjecture</span> <br><br> <br>The sum of the first ''x'' odd positive integers can be expressed as <math>n^2</math> <br> <br> <table> <tr valign='top'> <td> '''Solution - Inductive:''' <br>sum of the first 1 odd positive integers: 1 = 1 = 1² <br>sum of the first 2 odd positive integers: 1 + 3 = 4 = 2² <br>sum of the first 3 odd positive integers: 1 + 3 + 5 = 9 = 3² <br>sum of the first 4 odd positive integers: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 16 = 4² <br>sum of the first 5 odd positive integers: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 = 25 = 5² <br>sum of the first 6 odd positive integers: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 36 = 6² <br><br> <br> <br>The sum of the first ''x'' odd positive integers is ''x''². </td> <td style='border-right: solid 1px black; width=30px'>&nbsp;</td> <td style='border-left: solid 1px black; width=30px'>&nbsp;</td> <td> '''Solution - Deductive'''<br> <table> <tr> <td colspan='2'>Prove that the sum of the first n odd numbers: <math>\sum_{x=1}^n(2x-1)=n^2</math>.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>&nbsp;</td> <td><math>\sum_{x=1}^n(2x-1)</math></td> </tr> <tr> <td><math>=</math></td> <td><math>2\sum_{x=1}^n x-\sum_{x=1}^n 1</math></td> </tr> <tr> <td><math>=</math></td> <td><math>2\frac{n(n+1)}{2}-n</math></td> </tr> <tr> <td><math>=</math></td> <td><math>n^2+n-n</math></td> </tr> <tr> <td><math>=</math></td> <td><math>n^2</math></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> Note that the deductive example is an equation that is simplified until the left terms are reduced to equality with the right term. This is the proof and the root of the word equation acts as a constant reminder of the Euclidean Common Notions on Equality: #Things equal to the same thing are also equal to one another. #And if equal things are added to equal things, the wholes are equal.† #And if equal things are subtracted from equal things, the remainders are equal.† #And things coinciding with one another are equal to one another. #And the whole [is] greater than the part. † As an obvious extension of C.N.s 2 & 3 — if equal things are added or subtracted from the two sides of an inequality, the inequality remains. The &Sigma; is the summation sign that tells the reader that the first number to be used is at the bottom of the summation sign. The lowercase "n" when used in maths refers to a natural positive number whose value is not stated. The uppercase <math>\N</math> is reserved for showing sets of natural numbers e.g. <math>\N=\{1,2,3,\ldots\}</math>. The brackets on the right of the summation sign is the expression for odd numbers: :<math>(2x-1)</math> You can confirm this by inputting the starting value for <math>x</math> as given under the summation sign and then complete the calculation. Keep increasing the value of <math>x</math> by one. ===Exercises=== Below are simple statements of logic that have a major premise that is then further elucidated by a minor premise with the conclusion either being affirmative or negative. The answer must contain the subject of the premise. <b>1)</b> <i>All vegetables are good for you. Broccoli is a vegetable. Therefore, broccoli is good for you.</i> This is an example of what type of reasoning? <b>2)</b> <i>Broccoli is a vegetable. Broccoli is green. Therefore, all vegetables are green.</i> Why is this conclusion invalid? <b>3)</b> <i>Berries are sweet. Berries are fruits. Therefore, all fruits are sweet.</i> Why is this conclusion invalid? <b>4)</b> <i>If all of x is positive, and y is part of x, then y is positive.</i> What type of reasoning is this? ;Examples: <u> '''''Group A''''' </u> (D is negative) (B is negative) (E is positive) (C is positive) (F is positive) Just because D is negative, and is part of group A, doesn't mean that all of group A is negative. <u> '''''Group Z''''' </u> [ = 5 ] (Y is 5) (X is 5) (W is 5) (V is 5) (U is 5) Since all of group Z equals 5, you can say that Y=W, W=U, U=X, X=V, and that V=Y, etc. Because you know that all of group Z equals the same thing, you can say that because T = 5, it is part of group Z. ==Section 1.3 - Undefined terms== In Geometry, there are three undefined terms: points, lines, and planes. Although most terms in geometry are defined based on previously defined terms, it is impossible to define every geometric term this way. The first geometric term cannot be defined based on previously defined terms. Although we cannot formally define these three terms, we can informally describe them. We also use these terms to help us write definitions of other terms such as segment or ray. There is no axiom that says that lines are drawn straight. What this means is that the definition of line depends on the theory that you are studying. So, in Hyperbolic Geometry a line does not look like a line in Euclidean Geometry, since they are defined differently. In Euclidean Geometry, a point is thought of as having no breadth, width or height. Now imagine taking a very sharp pencil, and making a dot on a piece of paper. Now imagine looking at it under a magnifying glass, the dot would be big, and we would be able to see it has a height and a breadth. A point is not a dot, because a point would have neither height nor breadth, but we can imagine that in the very middle of the dot is a point. This was used by Hume in his ''A Treatise Of Human Nature'' to prove that postulates and axioms were not innate but a human construct of understanding and therefore a posteriori. With the non-definitions out of the way, let's look at how these things work. A point is usually represented by a dot on a piece of paper. A point is useful because it tells us exactly where something is, and we can then build observations, conjectures, and rules from that information. For example, we can say that two points determine a line. What this means is that once you know where two points are, you know where the line that contains both of the points must be. Notice that if you only know where one point is, there are an infinite number of lines that can contain that one point, and if you know where three points are, there is a pretty good chance that there isn't any single line that would contain all three points. In Euclidean Geometry, a line is thought of as having length but neither width, nor height. A line is such that any two points on the line describe the shortest distance between those two points. Lines also carry on forever in both directions. Imagine a piece of string, hold the two ends and pull them tight. The string represents the shortest distance between the two ends. Remember though that a line does not have any width or height. Under a magnifying glass, we see the string has a width. A tightly drawn string is not a line, because a line would not have a width, but we can imagine a line in the exact middle of the string. Now usually when we talk about a line in geometry we mean a straight line as described above, but there are other lines in Euclidean geometry, called curves. Curves are not straight. The circumference of a circle is an example of a curve. (We will get to circles later in the syllabus). Okay, we have talked about lines, now, so how do they behave? We usually represent a line by drawing it on a piece of paper using a ruler to connect the points and extending it past the points. We can take pieces of a line and call them line segments and we can cross two lines and get both a point (where they intersect) and some angles. We can also choose to ignore half of a line by cutting it off at a point and calling what we have left a ray. A plane has two dimensions: width and length. Both of these dimensions are infinite, and, because there are only two dimensions, a plane is perfectly flat and infinitely thin, meaning it has no thickness dimension. Because of this, a plane doesn't really have a top or a bottom because whatever is on the top is also on the bottom. If you take two planes and make them intersect, you get a line (more on that later) and if you take three points that are not all in the same line, there is only one plane that can contain all three (more on that later too). Planes are useful, because a plane can hold all of the two dimensional (flat) shapes that geometry uses. We usually think of one side of a piece of paper (or a computer screen) as part of a plane. While this is not exactly correct, like the representations of a point and a line, this is useful. ===Exercises=== ==Section 1.4 - Axioms/postulates== A postulate or axiom is a statement which is taken to be self-evident, and cannot be proved. They are the starting point from which any system in mathematics, such as geometry, is built up from. The axioms of geometry state properties of points, lines, and planes that are consistent with our intuitive understanding of them. For example, one axiom states that given two points, there is a unique line that passes through those two points (a property of incidence between points and lines). In Euclidean geometry, there are five axioms: # A straight line segment can be drawn joining any two points. # Any straight line segment can be extended indefinitely in a straight line. # Given any straight line segment, a circle can be drawn having the segment as its radius and one endpoint as its center. # All right angles are [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/congruent congruent]. # Given a line and a point off the line, exactly one new line can be drawn through the point that is parallel to the given line. From these postulates, we can deduce all the theorems of Euclidean geometry. ==Section 1.5 - Theorems== '''Postulates:''' 1) Between any two points, there exists one and only one line. 2) If two lines intersect, their intersection is a point. 3) Given any three non-collinear points, there is exactly one plane that can be constructed, which will include all of them. 4) If two planes intersect, their intersection is a line. ===Exercises=== 1) Draw a point on a piece of paper. 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An operator may monitor and take control of the robot remotely in certain situations that the robot cannot resolve by itself such as when it is stuck in an obstacle. Delivery robots can be used in different settings such as food delivery, package delivery, hospital delivery, and room service. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24515453 --> == Tech News: 2023-07 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/07|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * On wikis where patrolled edits are enabled, changes made to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Communities/How to configure the mentors' list|mentor list]] by autopatrolled mentors are not correctly marked as patrolled. It will be fixed later this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328444] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * The Reply tool and other parts of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Mobile|DiscussionTools]] will be deployed for all editors using the mobile site. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/Mobile#Status_Updates|read more about this decision]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T298060] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 1. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677679222 14:00 UTC]. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328287][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327920][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24540832 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-08 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Buddha Dhatu Jadi]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Swarno Mandir.JPG|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Buddha Dhatu Jadi''' (Bengali: বুদ্ধ ধাতু জাদি; Burmese: ဗုဒ္ဓဓာတုစေတီ also known as the Bandarban Golden Temple) is located close to Balaghata town, in Bandarban City, in Bangladesh. Dhatu are the material remains of a holy person, and in this temple the relics belong to Buddha. It is the largest Theravada Buddhist temple in Bangladesh and has the second-largest Buddha statue in the country. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:18, 20 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24581813 --> == Tech News: 2023-08 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/08|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Last week, during planned maintenance of Cloud Services, unforeseen complications forced the team to turn off all tools for 2–3 hours to prevent data corruption. Work is ongoing to prevent similar problems in the future. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329535] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-21|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-22|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-23|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). *The voting phase for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023|Community Wishlist Survey 2023]] ends on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677261621 24 February at 18:00 UTC]. The results of the survey will be announced on 28 February. '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 1. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677679222 14:00 UTC]. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328287][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327920][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24570514 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-09 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Alina Scholtz]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Alina Scholtz''' (24 September 1908 – 25 February 1996) was a Polish landscape architect, known as one of country's pioneers in developing the field. Throughout her career she worked on various public and private projects for cemeteries, parks and green spaces. Some of her most noted works include the grounds of a villa on Kielecka Street in Warsaw for which she won a Silver Medal at the 1937 World Exhibition in Paris, the memorial cemetery to the victims of the Palmiry massacre, and landscaping projects along the East-West traffic route of Warsaw. In addition to her design work, she served as one of the founding members of the International Federation of Landscape Architects. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24617511 --> == Tech News: 2023-09 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/09|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Last week, in some areas of the world, there were problems with loading pages for 20 minutes and saving edits for 55 minutes. These issues were caused by a problem with our caching servers due to unforseen events during a routine maintenance task. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2023-02-22_wiki_outage][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2023-02-22_read_only] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-02-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-01|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-02|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 1. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1677679222 14:00 UTC]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24634242 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-10 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Mary Nzimiro]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Mary Nzimiro''', birthname Mary Nwametu Onumonu, MBE (1898–1993) was a pioneering Nigerian businesswoman, politician and women's activist. In 1948, she was appointed principal representative of the United Africa Company (UAC) for Eastern Nigeria, while maintaining textile and cosmetics retail outlets of her own in Port Harcourt, Aba and Owerri. By the early 1950s, she was among the richest individuals in West Africa, becoming a resident of the exclusive Bernard Carr Street in Port Harcourt. On the political front, she was a member of the influential National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons, becoming a member of its executive committee in 1957 and vice-president of the NCNC Estern Women's Association in 1962. During the Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970), she organized Igbo women in support of the Biafrans. As a result she lost most of her property in Port Harcourt and returned to her native Oguta where she died in 1993. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24636259 --> == Tech News: 2023-10 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/10|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Community Wishlist Survey 2023 edition has been concluded. Community Tech has [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results|published the results]] of the survey and will provide an update on what is next in April 2023. * On wikis which use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Writing_systems|LanguageConverter]] to handle multiple writing systems, articles which used custom conversion rules in the wikitext (primarily on Chinese Wikipedia) would have these rules applied inconsistently in the table of contents, especially in the Vector 2022 skin. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306862] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-07|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-08|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-09|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * A search system has been added to the [[Special:Preferences|Preferences screen]]. This will let you find different options more easily. Making it work on mobile devices will happen soon. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T313804] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24676916 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-11 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Elizabeth Langdon Williams]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Elizabeth Langdon Williams.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Elizabeth Langdon Williams''' (February 8, 1879 in Putnam, Connecticut – 1981 in Enfield, New Hampshire) was an American human computer and astronomer whose work helped lead to the discovery of Pluto, or Planet X. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24700408 --> == Tech News: 2023-11 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/11|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/wmf.27|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-cbk_zamwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cdowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cebwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-chwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-chrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-chywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ckbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-csbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cuwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304542][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304550] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24700189 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-12 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier]] '''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Peerless Quartet - I Didn't Raise my Boy to be a Soldier.ogg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> an American anti-war song that was influential within the pacifist movement that existed in the United States before it entered World War I. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24720571 --> == Tech News: 2023-12 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/12|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Last week, some users experienced issues loading image thumbnails. This was due to incorrectly cached images. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331820] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.1|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-21|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-22|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-23|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] A link to the user's [[{{#special:CentralAuth}}]] page will appear on [[{{#special:Contributions}}]] — some user scripts which previously added this link may cause conflicts. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Admins and patrollers/Add link to CentralAuth on Special:Contributions|voted #17 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The [[{{#special:AbuseFilter}}]] edit window will be resizable and larger by default. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Anti-harassment/Make the AbuseFilter edit window resizable and larger by default|voted #80 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. * There will be a new option for Administrators when they are unblocking a user, to add the unblocked user’s user page to their watchlist. This will work both via [[{{#special:Unblock}}]] and via the API. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257662] '''Meetings''' * You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1679677204 24 March at 17:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Office Hours|details and how to join]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24732558 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-13 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:es:Diana Aguavil]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Diana Aguavil]]) ([[:pt:Diana Aguavil]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Diana Aguavil.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Diana Alexandra Aguavil Calazacón''' (born 7 August 1983) is an Ecuadorian indigenous leader, since 25 August 2018, the first female governor of the Tsáchila nationality after 104 years of male administrations and winning the 2018 Tsáchila election. She was also the second woman to become a candidate. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24758626 --> == Tech News: 2023-13 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/13|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] condition limit was increased from 1000 to 2000. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309609] * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global AbuseFilter#Locally disabled actions|Some Global AbuseFilter]] actions will no longer apply to local projects. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332521] * Desktop users are now able to subscribe to talk pages by clicking on the {{int:discussiontools-newtopicssubscription-button-subscribe-label}} link in the {{int:toolbox}} menu. If you subscribe to a talk page, you receive [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Notifications|notifications]] when new topics are started on that talk page. This is separate from putting the page on your watchlist or subscribing to a single discussion. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263821] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.2|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-29|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-03-30|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.40/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * You will be able to choose [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Diffs|visual diffs]] on all [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Page history|history pages]] at the Wiktionaries and Wikipedias. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T314588] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The legacy [[mw:Mobile Content Service|Mobile Content Service]] is going away in July 2023. Developers are encouraged to switch to Parsoid or another API before then to ensure service continuity. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/4MVQQTONJT7FJAXNVOFV3WWVVMCHRINE/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24780854 --> == Tech News: 2023-14 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/14|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The system for automatically creating categories for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Babel|Babel]] extension has had several important changes and fixes. One of them allows you to insert templates for automatic category descriptions on creation, allowing you to categorize the new categories. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211665][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64714][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170654][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184941][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T33074] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-04|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-05|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-06|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Some older [[w:en:Web browser|Web browsers]] will stop being able to use [[w:en:JavaScript|JavaScript]] on Wikimedia wikis from this week. This mainly affects users of Internet Explorer 11. If you have an old web browser on your computer you can try to upgrade to a newer version. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T178356] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The deprecated <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.hoverIntent</code></bdi> module has been removed. This module could be used by gadgets and user scripts, to create an artificial delay in how JavaScript responds to a hover event. Gadgets and user scripts should now use jQuery <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>hover()</code></bdi> or <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>on()</code></bdi> instead. Examples can be found in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_(users)#jquery.hoverIntent|migration guide]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311194] * Some of the links in [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] will be re-arranged. There will be a clearer separation between links that relate to all users, and links related to your own user account. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333242] * You will be able to hide the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Replying|Reply button]] in archived discussion pages with a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>__ARCHIVEDTALK__</nowiki></code></bdi> magic word. There will also be a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.mw-archivedtalk</code></bdi> CSS class for hiding the Reply button in individual sections on a page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249293][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T295553][https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/738221] '''Future changes''' * The Vega software that creates data visualizations in pages, such as graphs, will be upgraded to the newest version in the future. Graphs that still use the very old version 1.5 syntax may stop working properly. Most existing uses have been found and updated, but you can help to check, and to update any local documentation. [[phab:T260542|Examples of how to find and fix these graphs are available]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24820268 --> == Tech News: 2023-15 {{User:Xeverything11/tags/updates}} == <section begin="technews-2023-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/15|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] In the visual editor, it is now possible to edit captions of images in galleries without opening the gallery dialog. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Editing/Editable gallery captions in Visual Editor|voted #61 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190224] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] You can now receive notifications when another user edits your user page. See the "{{int:Echo-category-title-edit-user-page}}" option in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo|your Preferences]]. This feature request was [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Anti-harassment/Notifications for user page edits|voted #3 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3876] '''Problems''' * There was a problem with all types of CentralNotice banners still being shown to logged-in users even if they had [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners|turned off]] specific banner types. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331671] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-11|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-12|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-13|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-arywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dinwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dsbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-elwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-emlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-etwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-euwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-extwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tumwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ffwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fiu_vrowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fjwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frpwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-furwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gcrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-glwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-glkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gomwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gotwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-guwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gvwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304551][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308133] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24851886 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-16 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Lucy Salani]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Lucy Salani]]) ([[:fr:Lucy Salani]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Lucy Salani.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Lucy Salani''' was an Italian activist and is considered the only Italian transgender person to have survived the Nazi concentration camps. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24872966 --> == Tech News: 2023-16 == <section begin="technews-2023-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/16|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * You can now see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Kartographer#Show_nearby_articles|nearby articles on a Kartographer map]] with the button for the new feature "{{int:Kartographer-sidebar-nearbybutton}}". Six wikis have been testing this feature since October. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Geoinformation/Nearby_articles#Implementation][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334079] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Special:GlobalWatchlist]] page now has links for "{{int:globalwatchlist-markpageseen}}" for each entry. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Button to mark a single change as read in the global watch list|voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334246] '''Problems''' * At Wikimedia Commons, some thumbnails have not been getting replaced correctly after a new version of the image is uploaded. This should be fixed later this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331138][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333042] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] For the last few weeks, some external tools had inconsistent problems with logging-in with OAuth. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332650] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.5|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-18|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-19|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-20|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24881071 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-17 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:ca:María Fernanda Castro Maya]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:María Fernanda Castro Maya]]) ([[:eu:María Fernanda Castro Maya]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''María Fernanda Castro Maya''' is a Mexican self-advocate disability rights activist. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24872966 --> == Tech News: 2023-17 == <section begin="technews-2023-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/17|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The date-selection menu on pages such as [[{{#special:Contributions}}]] will now show year-ranges that are in the current and past decade, instead of the current and future decade. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Miscellaneous/Change year range shown in date selection popup|voted #145 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334316] '''Problems''' * Due to security issues with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]], graphs have been disabled in all Wikimedia projects. Wikimedia Foundation teams are working to respond to these vulnerabilities. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940] * For a few days, it was not possible to save some kinds of edits on the mobile version of a wiki. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334797][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334799][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334794] '''Changes later this week''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on April 26. This is planned for [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1682517653 14:00 UTC]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.6|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-25|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-26|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-04-27|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * The Editing team plans an A/B test for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability|a usability analysis of the Talk page project]]. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability/Analysis|planned measurements are available]]. Your wiki [[phab:T332946|may be invited to participate]]. Please suggest improvements to the measurement plan at [[mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Usability|the discussion page]]. * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2023-2024|The Wikimedia Foundation annual plan 2023-2024 draft is open for comment and input]] until May 19. The final plan will be published in July 2023 on Meta-wiki. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24933592 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-18 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sonia Orbuch]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sonia Shainwald Orbuch''' (born Sarah Shainwald, May 24, 1925 – September 30, 2018) was an American Holocaust educator. During the Second World War she was a Jewish resistance fighter in eastern Poland. Orbuch hid in the forests of Poland with her family during the Second World War. She joined a group of Soviet partisans, being renamed Sonia in case she was captured, and helped fight against the Germans. After the war, she returned home, where she met her future husband. After having a daughter in a refugee camp in Germany, the family eventually emigrated to the United States. She spent the rest of life in public engagement, speaking about her experiences and in 2009, published her autobiography, Here, There Are No Sarahs: A Woman's Courageous Fight Against the Nazis and Her Bittersweet Fulfillment of the American Dream. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 06:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24872966 --> == Tech News: 2023-18 == <section begin="technews-2023-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/18|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The content attribution tools [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Who Wrote That?|Who Wrote That?]], [[xtools:authorship|XTools Authorship]], and [[xtools:blame|XTools Blame]] now support the French and Italian Wikipedias. More languages will be added in the near future. This is part of the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Reading/Extend "Who Wrote That?" tool to more wikis|#7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243711][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270490][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334891] * The [[:commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons|Video2commons]] tool has been updated. This fixed several bugs related to YouTube uploads. [https://github.com/toolforge/video2commons/pull/162/commits] * The [[{{#special:Preferences}}]] page has been redesigned on mobile web. The new design makes it easier to browse the different categories and settings at low screen widths. You can also now access the page via a link in the Settings menu in the mobile web sidebar. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Moderator_Tools/Content_moderation_on_mobile_web/Preferences] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.7|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-02|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-03|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-04|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24966974 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-19 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Nadia Ghulam]]'''<br /><small>''([[:fr:Nadia Ghulam]]) ([[:es:Nadia Ghulam]]) ([[:ca:Nadia Ghulam]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Nadia Ghulam (cropped).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Nadia Ghulam Dastgir''' is an Afghan woman who spent ten years posing as her dead brother to evade the Taliban's strictures against women. Her book about her experiences, written with Agnès Rotger and published in 2010, El secret del meu turbant (The Secret of My Turban), won the Prudenci Bertrana Prize for fiction. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=24966177 --> == Tech News: 2023-19 == <section begin="technews-2023-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/19|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] Last week, Community Tech released the first update for providing [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Better diff handling of paragraph splits|better diffs]], the #1 request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey. [[phab:T324759|This update]] adds legends and tooltips to inline diffs so that users unfamiliar with the blue and yellow highlights can better understand the type of edits made. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] When you close an image that is displayed via MediaViewer, it will now return to the wiki page instead of going back in your browser history. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Reading/Return to the article when closing the MediaViewer|voted #65 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T236591] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SyntaxHighlight|SyntaxHighlight]] extension now supports <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>wikitext</code></bdi> as a selected language. Old alternatives that were used to highlight wikitext, such as <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>html5</code></bdi>, <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>moin</code></bdi>, and <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><code>html+handlebars</code></bdi>, can now be replaced. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29828] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Creating pages with preloaded text|Preloading text to new pages/sections]] now supports preloading from localized MediaWiki interface messages. [https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Urbanec_(WMF)?action=edit&section=new&preload=MediaWiki:July Here is an example] at the {{int:project-localized-name-cswiki/en}} that uses <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>preload=MediaWiki:July</nowiki></code></bdi>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330337] '''Problems''' * Graph Extension update: Foundation developers have completed upgrading the visualization software to Vega5. Existing community graphs based on Vega2 are no longer compatible. Communities need to update local graphs and templates, and shared lua modules like <bdi lang="de" dir="ltr">[[:de:Modul:Graph]]</bdi>. The [https://vega.github.io/vega/docs/porting-guide/ Vega Porting guide] provides the most comprehensive detail on migration from Vega2 and [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Graph:PageViews&action=history here is an example migration]. Vega5 has currently just been enabled on mediawiki.org to provide a test environment for communities. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940#8813922] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.8|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-09|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-10|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-11|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Until now, all new OAuth apps went through manual review. Starting this week, apps using identification-only or basic authorizations will not require review. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T67750] '''Future changes''' * During the next year, MediaWiki will stop using IP addresses to identify logged-out users, and will start automatically assigning unique temporary usernames. Read more at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/Updates|IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/Updates]]. You can [[m:Talk:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation#What should it look like?|join the discussion]] about the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation/Updates#What will temporary usernames look like?|format of the temporary usernames]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332805] * There will be an [[:w:en:A/B testing|A/B test]] on 10 Wikipedias where the Vector 2022 skin is the default skin. Half of logged-in desktop users will see an interface where the different parts of the page are more clearly separated. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/2023-05 Zebra9 A/B test|read more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333180][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335972] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] <code>jquery.tipsy</code> will be removed from the MediaWiki core. This will affect some user scripts. Many lines with <code>.tipsy(</code> can be commented out. <code>OO.ui.PopupWidget</code> can be used to keep things working like they are now. You can [[phab:T336019|read more]] and [[:mw:Help:Locating broken scripts|read about how to find broken scripts]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336019] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=24998636 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-20 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Purple Day]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Epilepsy Warrior Brooch May 2018 Purple Day.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Purple Day''' is a global grassroots event that was formed with the intention to increase worldwide awareness of epilepsy, and to dispel common myths and fears of this neurological disorder. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25000361 --> == Tech News: 2023-20 == <section begin="technews-2023-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/20|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Citations that are automatically generated based on [[d:Q33057|ISBN]] are currently broken. This affects citations made with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide/Citations-Full#Automatic|VisualEditor Automatic tab]], and the use of the citoid API in gadgets and user scripts. Work is ongoing to restore this feature. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336298] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.9|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-16|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-17|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-18|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-gorwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hakwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hifwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hsbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-htwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-igwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ilowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-inhwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iuwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jamwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jvwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308134] '''Future changes''' * There is a recently formed team at the Wikimedia Foundation which will be focusing on experimenting with new tools. Currently they are building [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future_Audiences#FA2.2_Conversational_AI|a prototype ChatGPT plugin that allows information generated by ChatGPT to be properly attributed]] to the Wikimedia projects. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Gadget and userscript developers should replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.cookie</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mediawiki.cookie</code></bdi>. The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.cookie</code></bdi> library will be removed in ~1 month, and staff developers will run a script to replace any remaining uses at that time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336018] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25011501 --> == Tech News: 2023-21 == <section begin="technews-2023-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/21|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The "recent edits" time period for page watchers is now 30 days. It used to be 180 days. This was a [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Change information about the number of watchers on a page|Community Wishlist Survey proposal]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336250] '''Changes later this week''' * An [[mw:special:MyLanguage/Growth/Positive reinforcement#Impact|improved impact module]] will be available at Wikipedias. The impact module is a feature available to newcomers [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature summary#Newcomer homepage|at their personal homepage]]. It will show their number of edits, how many readers their edited pages have, how many thanks they have received and similar things. It is also accessible by accessing Special:Impact. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336203] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.10|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-23|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-24|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-25|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W21"/> 16:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25028325 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-22 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Valencian Art Nouveau]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Modernismo valenciano]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Santuario Novelda.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Valencian Art Nouveau''' (Spanish: modernismo valenciano, Valencian: modernisme valencià), is the historiographic denomination given to an art and literature movement associated with the Art Nouveau in the Valencian Community, in Spain. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25074014 --> == Tech News: 2023-22 == <section begin="technews-2023-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/22|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Citations can once again be added automatically from ISBNs, thanks to Zotero's ISBN searches. The current data sources are the Library of Congress (United States), the Bibliothèque nationale de France (French National Library), and K10plus ISBN (German repository). Additional data source searches can be [[mw:Citoid/Creating Zotero translators|proposed to Zotero]]. The ISBN labels in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide/Citations-Full#Automatic|VisualEditor Automatic tab]] will reappear later this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336298#8859917] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The page [[{{#special:EditWatchlist}}]] now has "{{int:watchlistedit-normal-check-all}}" options to select all the pages within a namespace. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Watchlist edit - "check all" checkbox|voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334252] '''Problems''' * For a few days earlier this month, the "Add interlanguage link" item in the Tools menu did not work properly. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337081] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.11|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-30|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-05-31|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-01|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/dblists/small.dblist small] and [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/dblists/medium.dblist medium] wikis this week. Large wikis will follow in the coming weeks. This is part of the effort to move Parsoid into MediaWiki core. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320529] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25079963 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-23 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:pt:Alessandra Korap]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Alessandra Korap]]) ''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Alessandra Korap''' is an indigenous leader and Brazilian environmental activist from the Munduruku ethnic group. Her main work is defending the demarcation of indigenous territory and denouncing the illegal exploitation and activities of the mining and logging industries. Alessandra is internationally recognized for her work. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25111481 --> == Tech News: 2023-23 == <section begin="technews-2023-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/23|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:RealMe|RealMe]] extension allows you to mark URLs on your user page as verified for Mastodon and similar software. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] Citation and footnote editing can now be started from the reference list when using the visual editor. This feature request was [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Citations/Allow citations to be edited in the references section with VisualEditor|voted #2 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54750] * Previously, clicking on someone else's link to Recent Changes with filters applied within the URL could unintentionally change your preference for "{{int:Rcfilters-group-results-by-page}}". This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202916#8874081] '''Problems''' * For a few days last week, some tools and bots returned outdated information due to database replication problems, and may have been down entirely while it was being fixed. These issues have now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337446] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.12|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-06|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-07|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-08|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Bots will no longer be prevented from making edits because of URLs that match the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SpamBlacklist|spam blacklist]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T313107] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25114640 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-24 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cassinga Day]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Cassinga Day''' is a national public holiday in Namibia remembering the Cassinga Massacre. Commemorated annually on 4 May, the date "remembers those (approximately 600) killed in 1978 when the South African Defence Force attacked a SWAPO base at Cassinga in southern Angola". <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25111481 --> == Tech News: 2023-24 == <section begin="technews-2023-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/24|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] The content attribution tools [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Who Wrote That?|Who Wrote That?]], [[xtools:authorship|XTools Authorship]], and [[xtools:blame|XTools Blame]] now support the Dutch, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Japanese, Polish and Portuguese Wikipedias. This was the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Reading/Extend "Who Wrote That?" tool to more wikis|#7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334891] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Data Across Wikimedia/Search Improvements#Search Preview panel|Search Preview panel]] has been deployed on four Wikipedias (Catalan, Dutch, Hungarian and Norwegian). The panel will show an image related to the article (if existing), the top sections of the article, related images (coming from MediaSearch on Commons), and eventually the sister projects associated with the article. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306341] * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:RealMe#Verifying_a_link_on_non-user_pages|RealMe]] extension now allows administrators to verify URLs for any page, for Mastodon and similar software. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T324937] * The default project license [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimediaannounce-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7G6XPWZPQFLZ2JANN3ZX6RT4DVUI3HZQ/ has been officially upgraded] to CC BY-SA 4.0. The software interface messages have been updated. Communities should feel free to start updating any mentions of the old CC BY-SA 3.0 licensing within policies and related documentation pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319064] '''Problems''' * For three days last month, some Wikipedia pages edited with VisualEditor or DiscussionTools had an unintended <code><nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki></code> (or its localized form) added during an edit. There is [[mw:Parsoid/Deployments/T336101_followup|a listing of affected pages sorted by wiki]], that may still need to be fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336101] * Currently, the "{{int:Visualeditor-dialog-meta-categories-defaultsort-label}}" feature in VisualEditor is broken. Existing <code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}</nowiki></code> keywords incorrectly appear as missing templates in VisualEditor. Developers are exploring how to fix this. In the meantime, those wishing to edit the default sortkey of a page are advised to switch to source editing. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337398] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Last week, an update to the delete form may have broken some gadgets or user scripts. If you need to manipulate (empty) the reason field, replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>#wpReason</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;"><code>#wpReason > input</code></bdi>. See [https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AGadget-CleanDeleteReasons.js&diff=22859956&oldid=12794189 an example fix]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337809] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.13|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-13|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-14|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-15|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on English Wikipedia on Monday, and all other [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/dblists/large.dblist large] wikis on Thursday. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320529] '''Future changes''' * From 5 June to 17 July, the Foundation's [[:mw:Wikimedia Security Team|Security team]] is holding a consultation with contributors regarding a draft policy to govern the use of third-party resources in volunteer-developed gadgets and scripts. Feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Third-party resources policy|Third-party resources policy]] on meta-wiki. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 14:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25133779 --> == Tech News: 2023-25 == <section begin="technews-2023-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/25|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Flame graphs are now available in WikimediaDebug. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/JXNQD3EHG5V5QW5UXFDPSHQG4MJ3FWJQ/][https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2023/06/08/flame-graphs-arrive-in-wikimediadebug/] '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. * There is now a toolbar search popup in the visual editor. You can trigger it by typing <code>\</code> or pressing <code>ctrl + shift + p</code>. It can help you quickly access most tools in the editor. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Visual_editor_toolbar_search_feature.png][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66905] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25159510 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-26 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Rawon]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Rawon Setan.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Rawon''' (Javanese: ꦫꦮꦺꦴꦤ꧀) is an Indonesian beef soup. Originating from East Java, rawon utilizes the black keluak nut as the main seasoning, which gives a dark color and nutty flavor to the soup. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25177056 --> == Tech News: 2023-26 == <section begin="technews-2023-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/26|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Action API modules and Special:LinkSearch will now add a trailing <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>/</code></bdi> to all <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>prop=extlinks</code></bdi> responses for bare domains. This is part of the work to remove duplication in the <code>externallinks</code> database table. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337994] '''Problems''' * Last week, search was broken on Commons and Wikidata for 23 hours. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T339810][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2023-06-18_search_broken_on_wikidata_and_commons] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.15|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-27|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-28|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-06-29|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Minerva skin now applies more predefined styles to the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.mbox-text</code></bdi> CSS class. This enables support for mbox templates that use divs instead of tables. Please make sure that the new styles won't affect other templates in your wiki. [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/MinervaNeue/+/930901/][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T339040] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Gadgets will now load on both desktop and mobile by default. Previously, gadgets loaded only on desktop by default. Changing this default using the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>|targets=</code></bdi> parameter is also deprecated and should not be used. You should make gadgets work on mobile or disable them based on the skin (with the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>|skins=</code></bdi> parameter in <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition</bdi>) rather than whether the user uses the mobile or the desktop website. Popular gadgets that create errors on mobile will be disabled by developers on the Minerva skin as a temporary solution. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127268] * All namespace tabs now have the same browser [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Keyboard_shortcuts|access key]] by default. Previously, custom and extension-defined namespaces would have to have their access keys set manually on-wiki, but that is no longer necessary. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T22126] * The review form of the Flagged Revisions extension now uses the standardized [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|user interface components]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191156] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] How media is structured in the parser's HTML output will change in the coming weeks at [[:wikitech:Deployments/Train#Thursday|group2 wikis]]. This change improves the accessibility of content. You may need to update your site-CSS, or userscripts and gadgets. There are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser_Unification/Media_structure/FAQ|details on what code to check, how to update the code, and where to report any related problems]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T314318] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25202311 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-27 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Hook echo]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Tornadic classic supercell radar.gif|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''hook echo''' is a pendant or hook-shaped weather radar signature as part of some supercell thunderstorms. It is found in the lower portions of a storm as air and precipitation flow into a mesocyclone, resulting in a curved feature of reflectivity. The echo is produced by rain, hail, or even debris being wrapped around the supercell <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:18, 3 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25241057 --> == Tech News: 2023-27 == <section begin="technews-2023-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/27|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the rolling out of the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Multimedia and Commons/Audio links that play on click|audio links that play on click]] wishlist proposal, [https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=dblists/small.dblist small wikis] will now be able to use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Phonos#Inline audio player mode|inline audio player]] that is implemented by the [[mw:Extension:Phonos|Phonos]] extension. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336763] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] From this week all gadgets automatically load on mobile and desktop sites. If you see any problems with gadgets on your wikis, please adjust the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Options|gadget options]] in your gadget definitions file. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328610] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.16|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-04|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-05|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-06|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25231546 --> == Tech News: 2023-28 == <section begin="technews-2023-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/28|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Data Across Wikimedia/Section-level Image Suggestions|Section-level Image Suggestions feature]] has been deployed on seven Wikipedias (Portuguese, Russian, Indonesian, Catalan, Hungarian, Finnish and Norwegian Bokmål). The feature recommends images for articles on contributors' watchlists that are a good match for individual sections of those articles. * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global AbuseFilter|Global abuse filters]] have been enabled on all Wikimedia projects, except English and Japanese Wikipedias (who opted out). This change was made following a [[:m:Requests for comment/Make global abuse filters opt-out|global request for comments]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341159] * [[{{#special:BlockedExternalDomains}}]] is a new tool for administrators to help fight spam. It provides a clearer interface for blocking plain domains (and their subdomains), is more easily searchable, and is faster for the software to process for each edit on the wiki. It does not support regex (for complex cases), nor URL path-matching, nor the [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]], but otherwise it replaces most of the functionalities of the existing [[MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist|MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist]]. There is a Python script to help migrate all simple domains into this tool, and more feature details, within [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:BlockedExternalDomains|the tool's documentation]]. It is available at all wikis except for Meta-wiki, Commons, and Wikidata. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337431] * The WikiEditor extension was updated. It includes some of the most frequently used features of wikitext editing. In the past, many of its messages could only be translated by administrators, but now all regular translators on translatewiki can translate them. Please check [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:MessageGroupStats?group=ext-wikieditor&messages=&x=D#sortable:0=asc the state of WikiEditor localization into your language], and if the "Completion" for your language shows anything less than 100%, please complete the translation. See [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/D4YELU2DXMZ75PGELUOKXXMFF3FH45XA/ a more detailed explanation]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.17|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-11|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-12|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-13|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * The default protocol of [[{{#special:LinkSearch}}]] and API counterparts has changed from http to both http and https. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14810] * [[{{#special:LinkSearch}}]] and its API counterparts will now search for all of the URL provided in the query. It used to be only the first 60 characters. This feature was requested fifteen years ago. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T17218] '''Future changes''' * There is an experiment with a [[:w:en:ChatGPT|ChatGPT]] plugin. This is to show users where the information is coming from when they read information from Wikipedia. It has been tested by Wikimedia Foundation staff and other Wikimedians. Soon all ChatGPT plugin users can use the Wikipedia plugin. This is the same plugin which was mentioned in [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/20|Tech News 2023/20]]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future_Audiences#FA2.2_Conversational_AI] * There is an ongoing discussion on a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Third-party resources policy|proposed Third-party resources policy]]. The proposal will impact the use of third-party resources in gadgets and userscripts. Based on the ideas received so far, policy includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, some best practices and exemption requirements such as code transparency and inspectability. Your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on [[m:Talk:Third-party resources policy|on the policy talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/28|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W28"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25278797 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-29 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Esther Cooper Jackson]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Esther Cooper Jackson]]) ([[:simple:Esther Cooper Jackson]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Esther Cooper Jackson, 1968, Great Barrington.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Esther Victoria Cooper Jackson''' was an American civil rights activist and social worker. She was one of the founding editors of the magazine Freedomways. She also was an organizational and executive secretary at the Southern Negro Youth Congress. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25266525 --> == Tech News: 2023-29 == <section begin="technews-2023-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/29|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] We are now serving 1% of all global user traffic from [[w:en:Kubernetes|Kubernetes]] (you can [[wikitech:MediaWiki On Kubernetes|read more technical details]]). We are planning to increment this percentage regularly. You can [[phab:T290536|follow the progress of this work]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.18|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-18|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-19|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-20|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] MediaWiki [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:System_message|system messages]] will now look for available local fallbacks, instead of always using the default fallback defined by software. This means wikis no longer need to override each language on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Language#Fallback_languages|fallback chain]] separately. For example, English Wikipedia doesn't have to create <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>en-ca</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>en-gb</code></bdi> subpages with a transclusion of the base pages anymore. This makes it easier to maintain local overrides. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T229992] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>action=growthsetmentorstatus</code></bdi> API will be deprecated with the new MediaWiki version. Bots or scripts calling that API should use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>action=growthmanagementorlist</code></bdi> API now. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T321503] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/29|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W29"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25289122 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-30 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cut of pork]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:American Pork Cuts.svg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''cuts of pork''' are the different parts of the pig which are consumed as food by humans. The terminology and extent of each cut varies from country to country. There are between four and six primal cuts, which are the large parts in which the pig is first cut: the shoulder (blade and picnic), loin, belly (spare ribs and side) and leg <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:21, 24 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25318972 --> == Tech News: 2023-30 == <section begin="technews-2023-W30"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/30|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] On July 18, the Wikimedia Foundation launched a survey about the [[:mw:Technical_decision_making|technical decision making process]] for people who do technical work that relies on software that is maintained by the Foundation or affiliates. If this applies to you, [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/885471 please take part in the survey]. The survey will be open for three weeks, until August 7. You can find more information in [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/Q7DUCFA75DXG3G2KHTO7CEWMLCYTSDB2/|the announcement e-mail on wikitech-l]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.19|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-25|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-26|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-07-27|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/30|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W30"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25332248 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-31 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Gunhild Cross]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Gunhildkorset.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Gunhild Cross''' (Danish: Gunhildkorset), named for its first owner, Gunhild, a daughter of Svend III of Denmark, is a mid-12th-century crucifix carved in walrus tusk and with both Latin and Runic inscriptions. It is now in the collection of the National Museum of Denmark. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25380210 --> == Tech News: 2023-31 == <section begin="technews-2023-W31"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/31|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Synchronizer|Synchronizer]] tool is now available to keep Lua modules synced across Wikimedia wikis, along with [[mw:Multilingual Templates and Modules|updated documentation]] to develop global Lua modules and templates. * The tag filter on [[{{#special:NewPages}}]] and revision history pages can now be inverted. For example, you can hide edits that were made using an automated tool. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334337][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334338] * The Wikipedia [[:w:en:ChatGPT|ChatGPT]] plugin experiment can now be used by ChatGPT users who can use plugins. You can participate in a [[:m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future Audiences#Announcing monthly Future Audiences open "office hours"|video call]] if you want to talk about this experiment or similar work. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Draft/Future_Audiences#FA2.2_Conversational_AI] '''Problems''' * It was not possible to generate a PDF for pages with non-Latin characters in the title, for the last two weeks. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342442] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.20|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-01|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-02|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-03|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Tuesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-kawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kaawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kabwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kbdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kbpwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-knwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kshwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kuwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kwwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308135] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/31|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W31"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25362228 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-32 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Polyura athamas]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Close wing mud-puddling position of Charaxes bharata (C.& R. Felder,1867) - Indian Nawab.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Polyura athamas''''', the common nawab, is a species of fast-flying canopy butterfly found in tropical Asia. It belongs to the Charaxinae (rajahs and nawabs) in the brush-footed butterfly family (Nymphalidae). <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 03:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25410866 --> == Tech News: 2023-32 == <section begin="technews-2023-W32"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/32|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Mobile Web editors can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Advanced_mobile_contributions#August_1,_2023_-_Full-page_editing_added_on_mobile|edit a whole page at once]]. To use this feature, turn on "{{int:Mobile-frontend-mobile-option-amc}}" in your settings and use the "{{int:Minerva-page-actions-editfull}}" button in the "{{int:Minerva-page-actions-overflow}}" menu. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T203151] '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/32|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W32"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25420038 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-33 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Women's page]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:"Doings in Pittsburg Society" The Pittsburg Press February 1, 1920.png|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''women's page''' (sometimes called home page or women's section) of a newspaper was a section devoted to covering news assumed to be of interest to women. Women's pages started out in the 19th century as society pages and eventually morphed into features sections in the 1970s. Although denigrated during much of that period, they had a significant impact on journalism and in their communities. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-33 == <section begin="technews-2023-W33"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/33|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Content translation system is no longer using Youdao's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Content_translation/Translating/Initial_machine_translation|machine translation service]]. The service was in place for several years, but due to no usage, and availability of alternatives, it was deprecated to reduce maintenance overheads. Other services which cover the same languages are still available. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329137] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.22|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-15|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-16|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-17|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-lawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ladwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lbewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lezwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lfnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-liwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lijwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lmowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ltgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-maiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-map_bmswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mdfwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kywiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308136] <!-- TODO replace wiki codes --> '''Future changes''' * A few gadgets/user scripts which add icons to the Minerva skin need to have their CSS updated. There are more details available including a [[phab:T344067|search for all existing instances and how to update them]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/33|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W33"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 06:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25428668 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-34 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Insect toxin]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Insektengift]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:PDB 1lmr EBI.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Insect toxins''' are various protein toxins produced by insect species. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-34 == <section begin="technews-2023-W34"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/34|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [https://gdrive-to-commons.toolforge.org/ GDrive to Commons Uploader] tool is now available. It enables [[m:Special:MyLanguage/GDrive to Commons Uploader|securely selecting and uploading files]] from your Google Drive directly to Wikimedia Commons. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267868] * From now on, we will announce new Wikimedia wikis in Tech News, so you can update any tools or pages. ** Since the last edition, two new wikis have been created: *** a Wiktionary in [[d:Q7121294|Pa'O]] ([[wikt:blk:|<code>wikt:blk:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343540] *** a Wikisource in [[d:Q34002|Sundanese]] ([[s:su:|<code>s:su:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343539] ** To catch up, the next most recent six wikis are: *** Wikifunctions ([[f:|<code>f:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T275945] *** a Wiktionary in [[d:Q2891049|Mandailing]] ([[wikt:btm:|<code>wikt:btm:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335216] *** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q5555465|Ghanaian Pidgin]] ([[w:gpe:|<code>w:gpe:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335969] *** a Wikinews in [[d:Q3111668|Gungbe]] ([[n:guw:|<code>n:guw:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334394] *** a Wiktionary in [[d:Q33522|Kabardian]] ([[wikt:kbd:|<code>wikt:kbd:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333266] *** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q35570|Fante]] ([[w:fat:|<code>w:fat:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335016] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-22|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-23|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-24|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] There is an existing [[mw:Stable interface policy|stable interface policy]] for MediaWiki backend code. There is a [[mw:User:Jdlrobson/Stable interface policy/frontend|proposed stable interface policy for frontend code]]. This is relevant for anyone who works on gadgets or Wikimedia frontend code. You can read it, discuss it, and let the proposer know if there are any problems. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344079] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/34|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W34"/> 15:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25497111 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-35 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Manchester Blitz]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Air Raid Damage in Britain- Manchester HU49833.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Manchester Blitz''' (also known as the Christmas Blitz) was the heavy bombing of the city of Manchester and its surrounding areas in North West England during the Second World War by the German Luftwaffe. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-35 == <section begin="technews-2023-W35"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/35|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the changes for the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Better diff handling of paragraph splits|better diff handling of paragraph splits]], improved detection of splits is being rolled out. Over the last two weeks, we deployed this support to [[wikitech:Deployments/Train#Groups|group0]] and group1 wikis. This week it will be deployed to group2 wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341754] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] All [[{{#special:Contributions}}]] pages now show the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T324166] * Wikisource users can now use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>prpbengalicurrency</code></bdi> label to denote Bengali currency characters as page numbers inside the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><pagelist></nowiki></code></bdi> tag. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268932] * Two preferences have been relocated. The preference "{{int:visualeditor-preference-visualeditor}}" is now shown on the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|"{{int:prefs-editing}}" tab]] at all wikis. Previously it was shown on the "{{int:prefs-betafeatures}}" tab at some wikis. The preference "{{int:visualeditor-preference-newwikitexteditor-enable}}" is now also shown on the "{{int:prefs-editing}}" tab at all wikis, instead of the "{{int:prefs-betafeatures}}" tab. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335056][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344158] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.24|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-29|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-30|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-08-31|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] New signups for a Wikimedia developer account will start being pushed towards <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://idm.wikimedia.org/ idm.wikimedia.org]</bdi>, rather than going via Wikitech. [[wikitech:IDM|Further information about the new system is available]]. * All right-to-left language wikis, plus Korean, Armenian, Ukrainian, Russian, and Bulgarian Wikipedias, will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|Wikimedia URL Shortener]]. This feature will come to more wikis in future weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267921] '''Future changes''' * The removal of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:DoubleWiki|DoubleWiki extension]] is being discussed. This extension currently allows Wikisource users to view articles from multiple language versions side by side when the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><=></code></bdi> symbol next to a specific language edition is selected. Comments on this are welcomed at [[phab:T344544|the phabricator task]]. * A proposal has been made to merge the second hidden-categories list (which appears below the wikitext editing form) with the main list of categories (which is further down the page). [[phab:T340606|More information is available on Phabricator]]; feedback is welcome! '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/35|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W35"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 14:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25510866 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-36 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ghana Independence Act 1957]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Ghana Independence Act 1957''' is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that granted the Gold Coast fully responsible government within the British Commonwealth of Nations under the name of Ghana <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:18, 4 September 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-36 == <section begin="technews-2023-W36"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/36|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[m:Wikisource_EditInSequence|EditInSequence]], a feature that allows users to edit pages faster on Wikisource has been moved to a Beta Feature based on community feedback. To enable it, you can navigate to the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta features tab in Preferences]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308098] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the changes for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Generate Audio for IPA|Generate Audio for IPA]] and [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Multimedia and Commons/Audio links that play on click|Audio links that play on click]] wishlist proposals, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Phonos#Inline_audio_player_mode|inline audio player mode]] of [[mw:Extension:Phonos|Phonos]] has been deployed to all projects. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336763] * There is a new option for Administrators when they are changing the usergroups for a user, to add the user’s user page to their watchlist. This works both via [[{{#special:UserRights}}]] and via the API. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272294] * One new wiki has been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q34318|Talysh]] ([[w:tly:|<code>w:tly:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345166] '''Problems''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:LoginNotify|LoginNotify extension]] was not sending notifications since January. It has now been fixed, so going forward, you may see notifications for failed login attempts, and successful login attempts from a new device. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344785] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-05|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-06|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-07|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-mhrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-miwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-minwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mrjwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mtwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mwlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-myvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mznwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nahwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-napwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ndswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nds_nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-newiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-newwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-novwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nqowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nrmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nsowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ocwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-olowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-omwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-orwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-oswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pagwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pamwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-papwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pcdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pdcwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pflwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pihwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pmswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pnbwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pntwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pswiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308137][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308138] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/36|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W36"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25566983 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-37 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Betrayal trauma]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:sv:Svektrauma]]) ([[:ar:صدمة الخيانة]]) ([[:ko:배신 트라우마]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Betrayal trauma''' is defined as a trauma perpetrated by someone with whom the victim is close to and reliant upon for support and survival. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25427472 --> == Tech News: 2023-37 == <section begin="technews-2023-W37"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/37|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/ORES|ORES]], the revision evaluation service, is now using a new open-source infrastructure on all wikis except for English Wikipedia and Wikidata. These two will follow this week. If you notice any unusual results from the Recent Changes filters that are related to ORES (for example, "{{int:ores-rcfilters-damaging-title}}" and "{{int:ores-rcfilters-goodfaith-title}}"), please [[mw:Talk:Machine Learning|report them]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342115] * When you are logged in on one Wikimedia wiki and visit a different Wikimedia wiki, the system tries to log you in there automatically. This has been unreliable for a long time. You can now visit the login page to make the system try extra hard. If you feel that made logging in better or worse than it used to be, your feedback is appreciated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326281] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-12|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-13|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-14|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Technical decision making|Technical Decision-Making Forum Retrospective]] team invites anyone involved in the technical field of Wikimedia projects to signup to and join [[mw:Technical decision making/Listening Sessions|one of their listening sessions]] on 13 September. Another date will be scheduled later. The goal is to improve the technical decision-making processes. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] As part of the changes for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Better diff handling of paragraph splits|Better diff handling of paragraph splits]] wishlist proposal, the inline switch widget in diff pages is being rolled out this week to all wikis. The inline switch will allow viewers to toggle between a unified inline or two-column diff wikitext format. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336716] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 20 September. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|This is planned at 14:00 UTC.]] More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345263] * The Enterprise API is launching a new feature called "[http://breakingnews-beta.enterprise.wikimedia.com/ breaking news]". Currently in BETA, this attempts to identify likely "newsworthy" topics as they are currently being written about in any Wikipedia. Your help is requested to improve the accuracy of its detection model, especially on smaller language editions, by recommending templates or identifiable editing patterns. See more information at [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise/Breaking news|the documentation page]] on MediaWiki or [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise/FAQ#What is Breaking News|the FAQ]] on Meta. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/37|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W37"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25589064 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-38 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:es:Genocidio del Putumayo]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Putumayo genocide]]) ([[:ca:Genocidi del Putumayo]])''</small></div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:The Putumayo - the devil's paradise, travels in the Peruvian Amazon Region and an account of the atrocities committed upon the Indians therein (1913) (14782203995).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Putumayo genocide''' is the term which is used in reference to the enslavement, massacres and ethnocide of the indigenous population of the Amazon at the hands of the Peruvian Amazon Company, specifically in the area between the Putumayo River and the Caquetá River during the Amazon rubber boom period from 1879 to 1912. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 03:38, 18 September 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25599361 --> == Tech News: 2023-38 == <section begin="technews-2023-W38"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/38|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] MediaWiki now has a [[mw:Stable interface policy/frontend|stable interface policy for frontend code]] that more clearly defines how we deprecate MediaWiki code and wiki-based code (e.g. gadgets and user scripts). Thank you to everyone who contributed to the content and discussions. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346467][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344079] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.27|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-19|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-20|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-21|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 20. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|This is planned at 14:00 UTC.]] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345263] * All wikis will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|Wikimedia URL Shortener]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267921] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The team investigating the Graph Extension posted [[mw:Extension:Graph/Plans#Proposal|a proposal for reenabling it]] and they need your input. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/38|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W38"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25623533 --> == Tech News: 2023-39 == <section begin="technews-2023-W39"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/39|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Vector 2022 skin will now remember the pinned/unpinned status for the Table of Contents for all logged-out users. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T316060] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.28|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-26|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-27|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-09-28|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The ResourceLoader <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mediawiki.ui</nowiki></code></bdi> modules are now deprecated as part of the move to Vue.js and Codex. There is a [[mw:Codex/Migrating_from_MediaWiki_UI|guide for migrating from MediaWiki UI to Codex]] for any tools that use it. More [[phab:T346468|details are available in the task]] and your questions are welcome there. * Gadget definitions will have a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Options|new "namespaces" option]]. The option takes a list of namespace IDs. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages in the given namespaces. '''Future changes''' * New variables will be added to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]]: <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">global_account_groups</bdi></code> and <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">global_account_editcount</bdi></code>. They are available only when an account is being created. You can use them to prevent blocking automatic creation of accounts when users with many edits elsewhere visit your wiki for the first time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345632][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter/Rules_format] '''Meetings''' * You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1698426015 27 October at 17:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Office_Hours#October_2023|details and how to join]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/39|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W39"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25655264 --> == Tech News: 2023-40 == <section begin="technews-2023-W40"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/40|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * There is a new [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-advancedrendering|user preference]] for "{{int:tog-forcesafemode}}". This setting will make pages load without including any on-wiki JavaScript or on-wiki stylesheet pages. It can be useful for debugging broken JavaScript gadgets. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342347] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Gadget definitions now have a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Options|new "<var>contentModels</var>" option]]. The option takes a list of page content models, like <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">wikitext</bdi></code> or <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">css</bdi></code>. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages with the given content models. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.29|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-03|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-04|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-05|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Vector 2022 skin will no longer use the custom styles and scripts of Vector legacy (2010). The change will be made later this year or in early 2024. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Loading Vector 2010 scripts|how to adjust the CSS and JS pages on your wiki]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331679] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/40|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W40"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25686930 --> == Tech News: 2023-41 == <section begin="technews-2023-W41"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/41|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q33291|Fon]] ([[w:fon:|<code>w:fon:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347935] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/wmf.30|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-10|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-11|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-12|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-swwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-wawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-warwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-wowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-xalwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-xhwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-xmfwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-yiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-yowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zeawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zh_min_nanwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zuwiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308139] * At some wikis, newcomers are suggested images from Commons to add to articles without any images. Starting on Tuesday, newcomers at these wikis will be able to add images to unillustrated article sections. The specific wikis are listed under "Images recommendations" [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Deployment table|at the Growth team deployment table]]. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add an image|learn more about this feature.]] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345940] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] In the mobile web skin (Minerva) the CSS ID <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>#page-actions</nowiki></code></bdi> will be replaced with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>#p-views</nowiki></code></bdi>. This change is to make it consistent with other skins and to improve support for gadgets and extensions in the mobile skin. A few gadgets may need to be updated; there are [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348267 details and search-links in the task]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/41|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W41"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 14:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25712895 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-42 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Athyma nefte]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:VB 019 Color Sergeant UP.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Athyma nefte''''', the colour sergeant, is a species of brush-footed butterfly found in tropical South and Southeast Asia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25693965 --> == Tech News: 2023-42 == <section begin="technews-2023-W42"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/42|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified login|Unified login]] system's edge login should now be fixed for some browsers (Chrome, Edge, Opera). This means that if you visit a new sister project wiki, you should be logged in automatically without the need to click "Log in" or reload the page. Feedback on whether it's working for you is welcome. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347889] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Interface/Edit_notice|Edit notices]] are now available within the MobileFrontend/Minerva skin. This feature was inspired by [[w:en:Wikipedia:EditNoticesOnMobile|the gadget on English Wikipedia]]. See more details in [[phab:T316178|T316178]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.1|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-17|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-18|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-19|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.41/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * In 3 weeks, in the Vector 2022 skin, code related to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>addPortletLink</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>#p-namespaces</nowiki></code></bdi> that was deprecated one year ago will be removed. If you notice tools that should appear next to the "Discussion" tab are then missing, please tell the gadget's maintainers to see [[phab:T347907|instructions in the Phabricator task]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/42|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W42"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25745824 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-43 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Typhoon Rusa]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Rusa 2002-08-27 0350Z.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Typhoon Rusa''' was the most powerful typhoon to strike South Korea in 43 years. It was the 21st JTWC tropical depression, the 15th named storm, and the 10th typhoon of the 2002 Pacific typhoon season. It developed on August 22 from the monsoon trough in the northwestern Pacific Ocean, well to the southeast of Japan. For several days, Rusa moved to the northwest, eventually intensifying into a powerful typhoon. On August 26, the storm moved across the Amami Islands of Japan, where Rusa left 20,000 people without power and caused two fatalities. Across Japan, the typhoon dropped torrential rainfall peaking at 902 mm (35.5 in) in Tokushima Prefecture. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25693965 --> == Tech News: 2023-43 == <section begin="technews-2023-W43"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/43|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * There is a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language engineering/Newsletter/2023/October|Language and internationalization newsletter]], written quarterly. It contains updates on new feature development, improvements in various language-related technical projects, and related support work. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Source map support has been enabled on all wikis. When you open the debugger in your browser's developer tools, you should be able to see the unminified JavaScript source code. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T47514] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.2|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-24|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-25|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-26|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/43|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W43"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25782286 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-44 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Hein Eersel]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:nl:Hein Eersel]]) ([[:it:Hein Eersel]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:HeinEersel.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Christiaan Hendrik "Hein" Eersel''' was a Surinamese linguist and cultural researcher. He served as Minister of Education and Population Development in the cabinet of acting Prime Minister Arthur Johan May. He was also the first chancellor of the University of Suriname. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:09, 30 October 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-44 == <section begin="technews-2023-W44"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/44|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The Structured Content team, as part of its project of [[:commons:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements|improving UploadWizard on Commons]], made some UX improvements to the upload step of choosing own vs not own work ([[phab:T347590|T347590]]), as well as to the licensing step for own work ([[phab:T347756|T347756]]). * The Design Systems team has released version 1.0.0 of [[wmdoc:codex/latest/|Codex]], the new design system for Wikimedia. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Design_Systems_Team/Announcing_Codex_1.0|full announcement about the release of Codex 1.0.0]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-10-31|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-01|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-02|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). * Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a [[:w:en:International Components for Unicode|library]]. For a brief period on 2 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for many languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Technical Operations/ICU announcement|read more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345561][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267145] * Starting November 1, the impact module (Special:Impact) will be upgraded by the Growth team. The new impact module shows newcomers more data regarding their impact on the wiki. It was tested by a few wikis during the last few months. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336203] '''Future changes''' * There is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph/Plans#Roadmap|a proposed plan]] for re-enabling the Graph Extension. You can help by reviewing this proposal and [[mw:Extension_talk:Graph/Plans#c-PPelberg_(WMF)-20231020221600-Update:_20_October|sharing what you think about it]]. * The WMF is working on making it possible for administrators to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community_configuration_2.0|edit MediaWiki configuration directly]]. This is similar to previous work on Special:EditGrowthConfig. [[phab:T349757|A technical RfC is running until November 08, where you can provide feedback.]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/44|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W44"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25801989 --> == Tech News: 2023-45 == <section begin="technews-2023-W45"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/45|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * In the Vector 2022 skin, the default font-size of a number of navigational elements (tagline, tools menu, navigational links, and more) has been increased slightly to match the font size used in page content. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346062] '''Problems''' * Last week, there was a problem displaying some recent edits on [https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=dblists/s5.dblist a few wikis], for 1-6 hours. The edits were saved but not immediately shown. This was due to a database problem. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350443] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-07|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-08|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-09|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). * The Growth team will reassign newcomers from former mentors to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Structured mentor list|the currently active mentors]]. They have also changed the notification language to be more user-friendly. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330071][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327493] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/45|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W45"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25838105 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-45 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Reclaim the Night]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Reclaim the Night]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Reclaim the Night 2014.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Reclaim the Night''' is a movement started in Leeds in 1977 as part of the Women's Liberation Movement. Marches demanding that women be able to move throughout public spaces at night took place across England until the 1990s. Later, the organisation was revived and sponsors annual and national marches against rape and violence against women. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 00:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-46 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ishe Komborera Africa]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Ishe Komborera Africa.mp3|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> "'''Ishe Komborera Africa'''" (Shona for: God Bless Africa), also called "Ishe Komborera Zimbabwe" (Shona for: God Bless Zimbabwe), was the Zimbabwean national anthem from 1980 to 1994. It was the country's first national anthem after gaining independence in 1980. It is a translation of 19th-century South African schoolteacher Enoch Sontonga's popular African hymn "Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika" into Zimbabwe's native Shona and Ndebele languages. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 00:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-46 == <section begin="technews-2023-W46"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/46|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Four new wikis have been created: ** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q7598268|Moroccan Amazigh]] ([[w:zgh:|<code>w:zgh:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350216] ** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q35159|Dagaare]] ([[w:dga:|<code>w:dga:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350218] ** a Wikipedia in [[d:Q33017|Toba Batak]] ([[w:bbc:|<code>w:bbc:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350320] ** a Wikiquote in [[d:Q33151|Banjar]] ([[q:bjn:|<code>q:bjn:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350217] '''Problems''' * Last week, users who previously visited Meta-Wiki or Wikimedia Commons and then became logged out on those wikis could not log in again. The problem is now resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350695] * Last week, some pop-up dialogs and menus were shown with the wrong font size. The problem is now resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T350544] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.5|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). '''Future changes''' * Reference Previews are coming to many wikis as a default feature. They are popups for references, similar to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Page Previews|PagePreviews feature]]. [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Opt-out feature|You can opt out]] of seeing them. If you are [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|using the gadgets]] Reference Tooltips or Navigation Popups, you won’t see Reference Previews. [[phab:T282999|Deployment]] is planned for November 22, 2023. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Canary (also known as heartbeat) events will be produced into [https://stream.wikimedia.org/?doc#/streams Wikimedia event streams] from December 11. Streams users are advised to filter out these events, by discarding all events where <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>meta.domain == "canary"</nowiki></code></bdi>. Updates to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Pywikibot|Pywikibot]] or [https://github.com/ChlodAlejandro/wikimedia-streams wikimedia-streams] will discard these events by default. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T266798] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/46|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W46"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25859263 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-47 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Bhagavata Mela]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Bhagavata Mela''' is a classical Indian dance that is performed in Tamil Nadu, particularly the Thanjavur area. It is choreographed as an annual Vaishnavism tradition in Melattur and nearby regions, and celebrated as a dance-drama performance art. The dance art has roots in a historic migration of practitioners of Kuchipudi, another Indian classical dance art, from Andhra Pradesh to the kingdom of Tanjavur. The term Bhagavata, state Brandon and Banham, refers to the Hindu text Bhagavata Purana. Mela is a Sanskrit word that means "gathering, meeting of a group" and connotes a folk festival. The traditional Bhagavata Mela performance acts out the legends of Hinduism, set to the Carnatic style music. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 00:38, 04:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-47 == <section begin="technews-2023-W47"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/47|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]" ({{int:project-localized-name-quwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rmywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-roa_rupwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-roa_tarawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ruewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rwwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sahwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-satwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-scwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-scnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-scowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sdwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-shwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-siwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-skwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-slwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-smwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sqwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-srwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-srnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-stwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-stqwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-suwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-szlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tcywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tetwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tgwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-thwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-towiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tpiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ttwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-twwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tyvwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-udmwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ugwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-uzwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vecwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vepwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vlswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-vowiki/en}}). This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias]]. The communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|configure how this feature works locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308141][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308142][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308143] * The Vector 2022 skin will have some minor visual changes to drop-down menus, column widths, and more. These changes were added to four Wikipedias last week. If no issues are found, these changes will proceed to all wikis this week. These changes will make it possible to add new menus for readability and dark mode. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Updates#November_2023:_Visual_changes,_more_deployments,_and_shifting_focus|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347711] '''Future changes''' * There is [[mw:Extension talk:Graph/Plans#Update: 15 November|an update on re-enabling the Graph Extension]]. To speed up the process, Vega 2 will not be supported and only [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335325 some protocols] will be available at launch. You can help by sharing what you think about the plan. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/47|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W47"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25884616 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-48 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:fr:Zanskari]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Zaniskari]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Zaniskari Horse in Ladakh, India.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Zaniskari''' or '''Zanskari''' is a breed of small mountain horse or pony from Ladakh, in northern India. It is named for the Zanskar valley or region in Kargil district. It is similar to the Spiti breed of Himachal Pradesh, but is better adapted to work at high altitude. Like the Spiti, it shows similarities to the Tibetan breeds of neighbouring Tibet. It is of medium size, and is often grey in colour. The breed is considered endangered, as there are only a few hundred alive today, and a conservation programme has been started at Padum, Zanskar, in the Kargil district of Ladakh. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25797248 --> == Tech News: 2023-48 == <section begin="technews-2023-W48"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/48|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.7|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-29|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-11-30|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). There is no new MediaWiki version next week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] MediaWiki's JavaScript system will now allow <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>async</code>/<code>await</code></bdi> syntax in gadgets and user scripts. Gadget authors should remember that users' browsers may not support it, so it should be used appropriately. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T343499] * The deployment of "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add_a_link|Add a link]]" announced [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/47|last week]] was postponed. It will resume this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/48|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W48"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25906379 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-49 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sheikh Hussein]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Sheikh Hussein]]) ([[:it:Scec Hussèn]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sheikh Hussein.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sheikh Hussein''' is a town in south-eastern Ethiopia. The site has been recorded in the tentative list for UNESCO World Heritage List since 2011 as a religious, cultural and historical site. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25921616 --> == Tech News: 2023-49 == <section begin="technews-2023-W49"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/49|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The spacing between paragraphs on Vector 2022 has been changed from 7px to 14px to match the size of the text. This will make it easier to distinguish paragraphs from sentences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T351754] * The "{{int:Visualeditor-dialog-meta-categories-defaultsort-label}}" feature in VisualEditor is working again. You no longer need to switch to source editing to edit <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}</nowiki></code></bdi> keywords. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337398] '''Changes later this week''' * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * On 6 December, people who have the enabled the preference for "{{int:Discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}" will notice the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability|talk page usability improvements]] appear on pages that include the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>__NEWSECTIONLINK__</nowiki></code></bdi> magic word. If you notice any issues, please [[phab:T352232|share them with the team on Phabricator]]. '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Toolforge [[wikitech:News/Toolforge Grid Engine deprecation|Grid Engine shutdown process]] will start on December 14. Maintainers of [[toolforge:grid-deprecation|tools that still use this old system]] should plan to migrate to Kubernetes, or tell the team your plans on Phabricator in the task about your tool, before that date. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/VIWWQKMSQO2ED3TVUR7KPPWRTOBYBVOA/] * Communities using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions|Structured Discussions]] are being contacted regarding [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|the upcoming deprecation of Structured Discussions]]. You can read more about this project, and share your comments, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|on the project's page]]. '''Events''' * Registration & Scholarship applications are now open for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2024|Wikimedia Hackathon 2024]] that will take place from 3–5 May in Tallinn, Estonia. Scholarship applications are open until 5 January 2024. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/49|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W49"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25914435 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-50 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:fr:Applaudissements aux fenêtres pendant la pandémie de Covid-19]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Aplauso por los trabajadores de la salud]]) ([[:gl:Aplauso ao persoal sanitario]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Koronabirus konfinamendua Lasarten 2020-03-29.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> During the COVID-19 pandemic, applauding daily at a scheduled hour was a gesture of acclamation, recognition and gratitude towards health professionals in tribute to their work at the time. This habit emerged in January 2020 in Wuhan, where the pandemic originated, and then spread to several cities around the world during the quarantines and sanitary cordons ordered as preventive measures, Italy being the first one. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25925561 --> == Tech News: 2023-50 == <section begin="technews-2023-W50"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/50|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * On Wikimedia Commons, there are some minor user-interface improvements for the "choosing own vs not own work" step in the UploadWizard. This is part of the Structured Content team's project of [[:commons:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements|improving UploadWizard on Commons]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352707][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352709] '''Problems''' * There was a problem showing the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage|Newcomer homepage]] feature with the "impact module" and their page-view graphs, for a few days in early December. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352352][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352349] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.9|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-12|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-13|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-14|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=]] The [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/796964 2023 Developer Satisfaction Survey] is seeking the opinions of the Wikimedia developer community. Please take the survey if you have any role in developing software for the Wikimedia ecosystem. The survey is open until 5 January 2024, and has an associated [[foundation:Legal:December_2023_Developer_Satisfaction_Survey|privacy statement]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/50|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W50"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25945501 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-51 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Aerial view of Subway Island, July 2019.JPG|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge''' is a wildlife refuge in New York City managed by the National Park Service as part of Gateway National Recreation Area. It is composed of the open water and intertidal salt marshes of Jamaica Bay. It lies entirely within the boundaries of New York City, divided between the boroughs of Brooklyn to the west and Queens to the east. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25951007 --> == Tech News: 2023-51 == <section begin="technews-2023-W51"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/51|Translations]] are available. '''Tech News''' * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 8 January 2024 because of [[w:en:Christmas and holiday season|the holidays]]. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.10|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-19|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-20|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2023-12-21|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). There is no new MediaWiki version next week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting December 18, it won't be possible to activate Structured Discussions on a user's own talk page using the Beta feature. The Beta feature option remains available for users who want to deactivate Structured Discussions. This is part of [[mw:Structured Discussions/Deprecation|Structured Discussions' deprecation work]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248309] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] There will be full support for redirects in the Module namespace. The "Move Page" feature will leave an appropriate redirect behind, and such redirects will be appropriately recognized by the software (e.g. hidden from [[{{#special:UnconnectedPages}}]]). There will also be support for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Renaming or moving modules|manual redirects]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120794] '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The MediaWiki JavaScript documentation is moving to a new format. During the move, you can read the old docs using [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/REL1_41/js/ version 1.41]. Feedback about [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/ the new site] is welcome on the [[mw:Talk:JSDoc_WMF_theme|project talk page]]. * The Wishathon is a new initiative that encourages collaboration across the Wikimedia community to develop solutions for wishes collected through the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey|Community Wishlist Survey]]. The first community Wishathon will take place from 15–17 March. If you are interested in a project proposal as a user, developer, designer, or product lead, you can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:WishathonMarch2024|register for the event and read more]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/51|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2023-W51"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:18, 18 December 2023 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=25959059 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-52 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2023 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Plant blindness]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Cécité botanique]]) ([[:de:Pflanzenblindheit]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Plant blindness 0323.png|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Plant blindness''' is an informally-proposed form of cognitive bias, which in its broadest meaning, is a human tendency to ignore plant species. This includes such phenomena as not noticing plants in the surrounding environment, not recognizing the importance of plant life to the whole biosphere and to human affairs, a philosophical view of plants as an inferior form of life to animals and/or the inability to appreciate the unique features or aesthetics of plants. Related terms include plant‐neglect, zoo-centrism, and zoo‐chauvinism. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=25971304 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-02 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pax airship disaster]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Catástrofe do dirigível Pax]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sim new-mcclures-magazine 1902-09 19 5 (page 75 crop).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Pax''''' '''airship disaster''' was the explosion of the ''Pax'' airship on May 12, 1902, in Paris, which killed the Brazilian inventor Augusto Severo and the French mechanic Georges Saché. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 12:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26033876 --> == Tech News: 2024-02 == <section begin="technews-2024-W02"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/02|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [https://mediawiki2latex.wmflabs.org/ mediawiki2latex] is a tool that converts wiki content into the formats of LaTeX, PDF, ODT, and EPUB. The code now runs many times faster due to recent improvements. There is also an optional Docker container you can [[b:de:Benutzer:Dirk_Hünniger/wb2pdf/install#Using_Docker|install]] on your local machine. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The way that Random pages are selected has been updated. This will slowly reduce the problem of some pages having a lower chance of appearing. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309477] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.13|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-09|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-10|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-11|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/02|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W02"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26026251 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-03 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Conversion to Islam]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Conversion à l'islam]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Sahadah-Topkapi-Palace.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Conversion to Islam''' is accepting Islam as a religion or faith and rejecting any other religion or irreligion. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26044632 --> == Tech News: 2024-03 == <section begin="technews-2024-W03"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/03|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Pages that use the JSON [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:ContentHandler|contentmodel]] will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326065] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets|Gadgets]] and personal user scripts may now use JavaScript syntax introduced in ES6 (also known as "ES2015") and ES7 ("ES2016"). MediaWiki validates the source code to protect other site functionality from syntax errors, and to ensure scripts are valid in all [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Compatibility#Browsers|supported browsers]]. Previously, Gadgets could use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>requiresES6</nowiki></code></bdi> option. This option is no longer needed and will be removed in the future. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75714] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Bot passwords|Bot passwords]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/Owner-only consumers|owner-only OAuth consumers]] can now be restricted to allow editing only specific pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T349957] * You can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Thanks|thank]] edits made by bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341388] * An update on the status of the Community Wishlist Survey for 2024 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey/Future Of The Wishlist/January 4, 2024 Update|has been published]]. Please read and give your feedback. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.14|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-16|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-17|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-18|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting on January 17, it will not be possible to login to Wikimedia wikis from some specific old versions of the Chrome browser (versions 51–66, released between 2016 and 2018). Additionally, users of iOS 12, or Safari on Mac OS 10.14, may need to login to each wiki separately. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344791] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>jquery.cookie</code></bdi> module was deprecated and replaced with the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mediawiki.cookie</code></bdi> module last year. A script has now been run to replace any remaining uses, and this week the temporary alias will be removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354966] '''Future changes''' * Wikimedia Deutschland is working to [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/Reusing references|make reusing references easier]]. They are looking for people who are interested in participating in [https://wikimedia.sslsurvey.de/User-research-into-Reusing-References-Sign-up-Form-2024/en/ individual video calls for user research in January and February]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/03|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W03"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26074460 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-04 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Kinder der Landstrasse]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Kinderdlandstrasse plakat.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Kinder der Landstrasse''' (literally: Children of the Country Road) was a project implemented by the Swiss foundation Pro Juventute from 1926 to 1973. The project aimed to assimilate the itinerant Yenish people in Switzerland by forcibly removing their children from their parents and placing them in orphanages or foster homes. Approximately 590 children were affected by this program. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 02:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26044632 --> == Tech News: 2024-04 == <section begin="technews-2024-W04"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/04|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * A bug in UploadWizard prevented linking to the userpage of the uploader when uploading. It has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354529] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.15|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-23|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-24|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-25|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/04|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W04"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26096197 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-05 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Qurm Nature Reserve]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Al-Qurm Wetlands.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Qurm Nature Reserve''' is a national nature reserve in Muscat Governorate, Oman. Located on the Gulf of Oman coast, the reserve protects a mangrove forest and the surrounding wetland in a small estuary within the urban area of Qurm. Established in 1975, the reserve has been designated as an Important Bird Area since 1994, and as a protected Ramsar site since 2013. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26149847 --> == Tech News: 2024-05 == <section begin="technews-2024-W05"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/05|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Starting Monday January 29, all talk pages messages' timestamps will become a link. This link is a permanent link to the comment. It allows users to find the comment they are looking for, even if this comment was moved elsewhere. This will affect all wikis except for the English Wikipedia. You can read more about this change [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/01/29/talk-page-permalinks-dont-lose-your-threads/ on Diff] or [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Talk_pages_permalinking|on Mediawiki.org]].<!-- The Diff post will be published on Monday morning UTC--> [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T302011] * There are some improvements to the CAPTCHA to make it harder for spam bots and scripts to bypass it. If you have feedback on this change, please comment on [[phab:T141490|the task]]. Staff are monitoring metrics related to the CAPTCHA, as well as secondary metrics such as account creations and edit counts. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.16|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-30|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-01-31|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-01|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] On February 1, a link will be added to the "Tools" menu to download a [[w:en:QR code|QR code]] that links to the page you are viewing. There will also be a new [[{{#special:QrCode}}]] page to create QR codes for any Wikimedia URL. This addresses the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Mobile and apps/Add ability to share QR code for a page in any Wikimedia project|#19 most-voted wish]] from the [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results|2023 Community Wishlist Survey]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329973] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets|Gadgets]] which only work in some skins have sometimes used the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>targets</code></bdi> option to limit where you can use them. This will stop working this week. You should use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>skins</code></bdi> option instead. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328497] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26137870 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-06 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Timurid architecture]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Gur-e-Amir Mausolueum - Samarkand - Uzbekistan (7488414078).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Timurid architecture''' was an important stage in the architectural history of Iran and Central Asia during the late 14th and 15th centuries. The Timurid Empire (1370–1507), founded by Timur (d. 1405) and conquering most of this region, oversaw a cultural renaissance. In architecture, the Timurid dynasty patronized the construction of palaces, mausoleums, and religious monuments across the region. Their architecture is distinguished by its grand scale, luxurious decoration in tilework, and sophisticated geometric vaulting. This architectural style, along with other aspects of Timurid art, spread across the empire and subsequently influenced the architecture of other empires from the Middle East to the Indian subcontinent. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26169542 --> == Tech News: 2024-06 == <section begin="technews-2024-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/06|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' *The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. If you hear of any problems relating to mobile history usage please point them to [[phab:T353388|the phabricator task]]. *On most wikis, admins can now block users from making specific actions. These actions are: uploading files, creating new pages, moving (renaming) pages, and sending thanks. The goal of this feature is to allow admins to apply blocks that are adequate to the blocked users' activity. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community health initiative/Partial blocks#action-blocks|Learn more about "action blocks"]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T242541][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280531] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.17|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-06|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-07|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-08|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Talk pages permalinks that included diacritics and non-Latin script were malfunctioning. This issue is fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356199] '''Future changes''' * [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#24WPs|24 Wikipedias]] with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference_Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]] as a default gadget are encouraged to remove that default flag. This would make [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Reference_Previews|Reference Previews]] the new default for reference popups, leading to a more consistent experience across wikis. For [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#46WPs|46 Wikipedias]] with less than 4 interface admins, the change is already scheduled for mid-February, [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Reference Previews to become the default for previewing references on more wikis.|unless there are concerns]]. The older Reference Tooltips gadget will still remain usable and will override this feature, if it is available on your wiki and you have enabled it in your settings. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Reference_Previews_to_become_the_default_for_previewing_references_on_more_wikis][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355312] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/06|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W06"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26180971 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-07 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Adoration of the Magi (Fra Angelico and Filippo Lippi)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Fra Angelico, Fra Filippo Lippi, The Adoration of the Magi.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''''Adoration of the Magi''''' is a tondo, or circular painting, of the Adoration of the Magi assumed to be that recorded in 1492 in the Palazzo Medici Riccardi in Florence as by Fra Angelico. It dates from the mid-15th century and is now in the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C. Most art historians think that Filippo Lippi painted more of the original work, and that it was added to some years after by other artists, as well as including work by assistants in the workshops of both the original masters. It has been known as the Washington Tondo and Cook Tondo after Herbert Cook, and this latter name in particular continues to be used over 50 years after the painting left the Cook collection. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 07:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26187446 --> == Tech News: 2024-07 == <section begin="technews-2024-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/07|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split|WDQS Graph Split experiment]] is working and loaded onto 3 test servers. The team in charge is testing the split's impact and requires feedback from WDQS users through the UI or programmatically in different channels. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:SPARQL_query_service/WDQS_graph_split][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356773][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)] Users' feedback will validate the impact of various use cases and workflows around the Wikidata Query service. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/WDQS_backend_update/October_2023_scaling_update][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service/User_Manual#Federation] '''Problems''' *There was a bug that affected the appearance of visited links when using mobile device to access wiki sites. It made the links appear black; [[phab:T356928|this issue]] is fixed. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.18|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-13|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-14|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-15|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] As work continues on the grid engine deprecation,[https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/Toolforge_Grid_Engine_deprecation] tools on the grid engine will be stopped starting on February 14th, 2024. If you have tools actively migrating you can ask for an extension so they are not stopped. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/About_Toolforge#Communication_and_support] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 05:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26223994 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-08 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:nl:Graf met de handjes]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Weg langs het kerkhof tegenover 1, Roermond.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The monument '''Van Gorkum-Van Aefferden''', more well known as the "'''grave with the little hands'''" is a monumental Tombstone in the Dutch city of Roermond. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 13:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26260848 --> == Tech News: 2024-08 == <section begin="technews-2024-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/08|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * If you have the "{{int:Tog-enotifwatchlistpages}}" option enabled, edits by bot accounts no longer trigger notification emails. Previously, only minor edits would not trigger the notification emails. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356984] * There are changes to how user and site scripts load for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector/2022| Vector 2022]] on specific wikis. The changes impacted the following Wikis: all projects with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector|Vector legacy]] as the default skin, Wikivoyage, and Wikibooks. Other wikis will be affected over the course of the next three months. Gadgets are not impacted. If you have been affected or want to minimize the impact on your project, see [[Phab:T357580| this ticket]]. Please coordinate and take action proactively. *Newly auto-created accounts (the accounts you get when you visit a new wiki) now have the same local notification preferences as users who freshly register on that wiki. It is effected in four notification types listed in the [[phab:T353225|task's description]]. *The maximum file size when using [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Upload_Wizard|Upload Wizard]] is now 5 GiB. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191804] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.19|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-20|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-21|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-22|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Selected tools on the grid engine have been [[wikitech:News/Toolforge_Grid_Engine_deprecation|stopped]] as we prepare to shut down the grid on March 14th, 2024. The tool's code and data have not been deleted. If you are a maintainer and you want your tool re-enabled reach out to the [[wikitech:Portal:Toolforge/About_Toolforge#Communication_and_support|team]]. Only tools that have asked for extension are still running on the grid. * The CSS <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/filter filter]</code></bdi> property can now be used in HTML <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>style</code></bdi> attributes in wikitext. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308160] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26254282 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-09 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Doorway effect]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''doorway effect''' is a known psychological event where a person's short-term memory declines when passing through a doorway moving from one location to another when it would not if they had remained in the same place. People experience this effect by forgetting what they were going to do, thinking about, or planning upon entering a different room. This is thought to be due to the change in one's physical environment, which is used to distinguish boundaries between remembered events: memories of events encountered in the present environment are more accessible than those beyond it. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26260848 --> == Tech News: 2024-09 == <section begin="technews-2024-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/09|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor_on_mobile|mobile visual editor]] is now the default editor for users who never edited before, at a small group of wikis. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor_on_mobile/VE_mobile_default#A/B_test_results| Research ]] shows that users using this editor are slightly more successful publishing the edits they started, and slightly less successful publishing non-reverted edits. Users who defined the wikitext editor as their default on desktop will get the wikitext editor on mobile for their first edit on mobile as well. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352127] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/ResourceLoader/Core modules#mw.config|mw.config]] value <code>wgGlobalGroups</code> now only contains groups that are active in the wiki. Scripts no longer have to check whether the group is active on the wiki via an API request. A code example of the above is: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>if (/globalgroupname/.test(mw.config.get("wgGlobalGroups")))</code></bdi>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356008] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.20|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-27|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-28|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-02-29|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>changetags</code></bdi>) will be removed from users in Wikimedia sites, keeping it by default for admins and bots only. Your community can ask to retain the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. Please indicate in [[phab:T355639|this ticket]] to keep it for your community before the end of March 2024. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26294125 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-10 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Sissieretta Jones]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:1899 poster of Mme. M. Sissieretta Jones.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Matilda Sissieretta Joyner Jones''' (January 5, 1868, or 1869 – June 24, 1933) was an American soprano. She sometimes was called "The Black Patti" in reference to Italian opera singer Adelina Patti. Jones' repertoire included grand opera, light opera, and popular music <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26313143 --> == Tech News: 2024-10 == <section begin="technews-2024-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/10|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Special:Book</code></bdi> page (as well as the associated "Create a book" functionality) provided by the old [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Collection|Collection extension]] has been removed from all Wikisource wikis, as it was broken. This does not affect the ability to download normal books, which is provided by the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Wikisource|Wikisource extension]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358437] * [[m:Wikitech|Wikitech]] now uses the next-generation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]] wikitext parser by default to generate all pages in the Talk namespace. Report any problems on the [[mw:Talk:Parsoid/Parser_Unification/Known_Issues|Known Issues discussion page]]. You can use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ParserMigration|ParserMigration]] extension to control the use of Parsoid; see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration|ParserMigration help documentation]] for more details. * Maintenance on [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org etherpad] is completed. If you encounter any issues, please indicate in [[phab:T316421|this ticket]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=| Advanced item]] [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets|Gadgets]] allow interface admins to create custom features with CSS and JavaScript. The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Gadget</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Gadget_definition</code></bdi> namespaces and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>gadgets-definition-edit</code></bdi> user right were reserved for an experiment in 2015, but were never used. These were visible on Special:Search and Special:ListGroupRights. The unused namespaces and user rights are now removed. No pages are moved, and no changes need to be made. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T31272] * A usability improvement to the "Add a citation" in Wikipedia workflow has been made, the insert button was moved to the popup header. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354847] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.21|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-05|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-06|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-07|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358233] * The HTML markup of headings and section edit links will be changed later this year to improve accessibility. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Heading_HTML_changes|Heading HTML changes]] for details. The new markup will be the same as in the new Parsoid wikitext parser. You can test your gadget or stylesheet with the new markup if you add <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>?useparsoid=1</code></bdi> to your URL ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration#Selecting_a_parser_using_a_URL_query_string|more info]]) or turn on Parsoid read views in your user options ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration#Enabling_via_user_preference|more info]]). * '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26329807 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-11 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Preventative Coup of November 11]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Golpe de Estado en Brasil de 1955]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Exército na casa de Café Filho.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Preventative Coup of November 11''' sometimes called the '''1955 Brazilian coup d'état''' or referred to as an "anti-coup" or a "counter-coup" (Portuguese: ''Novembrada, Movimento de 11 de Novembro, Contragolpe, Golpe Preventivo do Marechal Lott'') was a series of military and political events led by Henrique Teixeira Lott that resulted in Nereu Ramos assuming the presidency of Brazil until being peacefully succeeded by Juscelino Kubitschek a few months later. The bloodless coup removed Carlos Luz from the presidency because he was suspected of plotting to prevent Kubitschek from taking office. As a result of the tensions, Brazil had three presidents in the span of a single week. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26366849 --> == Tech News: 2024-11 == <section begin="technews-2024-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/11|Translations]] are available. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.22|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-12|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-13|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-14|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * After consulting with various communities, the line height of the text on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Minerva Neue|Minerva skin]] will be increased to its previous value of 1.65. Different options for typography can also be set using the options in the menu, as needed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358498] *The active link color in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Minerva Neue|Minerva]] will be changed to provide more consistency with our other platforms and best practices. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358516] * [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Structured data|Structured data on Commons]] will no longer ask whether you want to leave the page without saving. This will prevent the “information you’ve entered may not be saved” popups from appearing when no information have been entered. It will also make file pages on Commons load faster in certain cases. However, the popups will be hidden even if information has indeed been entered. If you accidentally close the page before saving the structured data you entered, that data will be lost. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T312315] '''Future changes''' * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358233][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26374013 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-12 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Hojang Taret]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Hojang Taret''' is a classical Meitei language play based on Euripides's ancient Greek tragedy The Phoenician Women. It is directed by Oasis Sougaijam and produced by The Umbilical Theatre in Imphal, Kangleipak. It depicts the moral ambiguities of conflict between brothers resulting to the ruination of the ancient city of Thebes. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26366849 --> == Tech News: 2024-12 == <section begin="technews-2024-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/12|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The notice "Language links are at the top of the page" that appears in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector/2022|Vector 2022 skin]] main menu has been removed now that users have learned the new location of the Language switcher. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T353619] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IP_Editing:_Privacy_Enhancement_and_Abuse_Mitigation/IP_Info_feature|IP info feature]] displays data from Spur, an IP addresses database. Previously, the only data source for this feature was MaxMind. Now, IP info is more useful for patrollers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341395] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Obsolete:Toolforge/Grid][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/Toolforge_Grid_Engine_deprecation][https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2022/03/14/toolforge-and-grid-engine/] * Communities can now customize the default reasons for undeleting a page by creating [[MediaWiki:Undelete-comment-dropdown]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326746] '''Problems''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/RevisionSlider|RevisionSlider]] is an interface to interactively browse a page's history. Users in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:RevisionSlider/Developing_a_RTL-accessible_feature_in_MediaWiki_-_what_we%27ve_learned_while_creating_the_RevisionSlider|right-to-left]] languages reported RevisionSlider reacting wrong to mouse clicks. This should be fixed now. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352169] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.23|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-19|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-20|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-21|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1710943200 14:00 UTC]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358233][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server_switch] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26410165 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-13 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Magna Lykseth-Skogman]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Magna Lykseth in Tristan och Isolde at Kungliga Operan 1909 - SMV - GL164.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Magna Elvine Lykseth-Skogman''' (6 February 1874 – 13 November 1949), also known as Magna Lykseth-Schjerven, was a Norwegian-born Swedish operatic soprano. After making her début at the Royal Swedish Opera in 1901 as Santuzza in Cavalleria rusticana, she was engaged there until 1918 becoming the company's prima donna. She performed leading roles in a wide range of operas but is remembered in particular for her Wagnerian interpretations, creating Brünnhilde in the Swedish premières of Siegfried and Götterdämmerung, and Isolde in 1909. Considered to be one of the most outstanding Swedish opera singers of her generation, she was awarded the Litteris et Artibus medal in 1907 and became a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Music in 1912 <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26447450 --> == Tech News: 2024-13 == <section begin="technews-2024-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/13|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] An update was made on March 18th 2024 to how various projects load site, user JavaScript and CSS in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Vector/2022|Vector 2022 skin]]. A [[phab:T360384|checklist]] is provided for site admins to follow. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.24|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-26|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-27|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-03-28|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26446209 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-14 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lidder Valley]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Pahalgam Valley.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Lidder Valley''' or Liddar Valley is a Himalayan sub-valley that forms the southeastern corner of Anantnag district in Indian-administered Kashmir. The Lidder River flows down the valley. The entrance to the valley lies 7 km northeast from Anantnag town and 62 km southeast from Srinagar, the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir. It is a 40-km-long gorge valley with an average width of 3 km. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26509189 --> == Tech News: 2024-14 == <section begin="technews-2024-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/14|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Users of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading|reading accessibility]] beta feature will notice that the default line height for the standard and large text options has changed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359030] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-02|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-03|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-04|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * The Wikimedia Foundation has an annual plan. The annual plan decides what the Wikimedia Foundation will work on. You can now read [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Product & Technology OKRs#Draft Key Results|the draft key results]] for the Product and Technology department. They are suggestions for what results the Foundation wants from big technical changes from July 2024 to June 2025. You can [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Product & Technology OKRs|comment on the talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 03:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26462933 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-15 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Operation Kraai]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Overzicht van het vliegveld te Djokja vanuit de 'Control Tower', Bestanddeelnr 5128.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Operation Kraai''' (Operation Crow) was a Dutch military offensive against the de facto Republic of Indonesia in December 1948 after negotiations failed. With the advantage of surprise the Dutch managed to capture the Indonesian Republic's temporary capital, Yogyakarta, and seized Indonesian leaders such as de facto Republican President Sukarno. This apparent military success was however followed by guerrilla warfare, while the violation of the Renville Agreement ceasefire diplomatically isolated the Dutch, leading to the Dutch–Indonesian Round Table Conference and recognition of the United States of Indonesia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26550154 --> == Tech News: 2024-15 == <section begin="technews-2024-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/15|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Web browsers can use tools called [[:w:en:Browser extension|extensions]]. There is now a Chrome extension called [[m:Future Audiences/Experiment:Citation Needed|Citation Needed]] which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Wishlist item]] A new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit Recovery|Edit Recovery]] feature has been added to all wikis, available as a [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|user preference]]. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Edit-recovery feature|project talk page]]. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. * Initial results of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check|Edit check]] experiments [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check#4_April_2024|have been published]]. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at [[phab:T342930#9538364|the wikis that tested it]]. [[mw:Talk:Edit check|Let us know]] if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342930][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361727] * Readers using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:Minerva Neue|Minerva skin]] on mobile will notice there has been an improvement in the line height across all typography settings. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359029] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-09|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-10|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-11|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.42/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * New accounts and logged-out users will get the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor|visual editor]] as their default editor on mobile. This deployment is made at all wikis except for the English Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361134] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26564838 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-16 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:ru:Павильон Росси]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Rossi Pavilion]])&#32;([[:fr:Pavillon Rossi]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Rossi's Pavilion in Mikhailovsky Garden. Saint-Petersburg. 1825..jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Rossi Pavilion''' (Russian: Павильон Росси) is a pavilion on the bank of the Moyka River in the Mikhailovsky Garden in Saint Petersburg. It was designed by architect Carlo Rossi in the early 1820s and built in 1825 during his redevelopment of the garden. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26565118 --> == Tech News: 2024-16 == <section begin="technews-2024-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/16|Translations]] are available. '''Problems''' * Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|Flagged Revisions]], the "{{Int:tag-mw-reverted}}" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361918][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361940] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.1|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-16|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-17|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-18|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#DEFAULTSORT|Default category sort keys]] will now affect categories added by templates placed in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Cite|footnotes]]. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40435] * A new variable <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>page_last_edit_age</code></bdi> will be added to [[Special:AbuseFilter|abuse filters]]. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269769] '''Future changes''' * Volunteer developers are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]]. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers/2024-04 CTA|Learn more]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Four database fields will be removed from database replicas (including [[quarry:|Quarry]]). This affects only the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>abuse_filter</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>abuse_filter_history</code></bdi> tables. Some queries might need to be updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361996] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26564838 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-17 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Devorà Ascarelli]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:it:Debora Ascarelli]])&#32;([[:es:Devorà Ascarelli]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Devorà Ascarelli''' was a 16th-century Italian poet living in Rome, Italy. Ascarelli may have been the first Jewish woman to have a book of her own work published. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] 01:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26624302 --> == Tech News: 2024-17 == <section begin="technews-2024-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/17|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Starting this week, newcomers editing Wikipedia [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Positive reinforcement#Leveling up 3|will be encouraged]] to try structured tasks. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature summary#Newcomer tasks|Structured tasks]] have been shown to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Personalized first day/Structured tasks/Add a link/Experiment analysis, December 2021|improve newcomer activation and retention]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348086] * You can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|nominate your favorite tools]] for the fifth edition of the Coolest Tool Award. Nominations will be open until May 10. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.2|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-23|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-24|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-25|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * This is the last warning that by the end of May 2024 the Vector 2022 skin will no longer share site and user scripts/styles with old Vector. For user-scripts that you want to keep using on Vector 2022, copy the contents of [[{{#special:MyPage}}/vector.js]] to [[{{#special:MyPage}}/vector-2022.js]]. There are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Loading Vector 2010 scripts|more technical details]] available. Interface administrators who foresee this leading to lots of technical support questions may wish to send a mass message to your community, as was done on French Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362701] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26647188 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-18 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:1989 Serbian general election]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:sr:Председнички избори у Србији 1989.]])&#32;([[:vi:Tổng tuyển cử Serbia 1989]])''</small></div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Parliament of SR Serbia (1989–1991).svg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''General elections were held in Serbia''', a constituent federal unit of SFR Yugoslavia, on 12 November 1989 to elect the president of the presidency of the Socialist Republic of Serbia and delegates of the Assembly of SR Serbia. Voting for delegates also took place on 10 and 30 November 1989. In addition to the general elections, local elections were held simultaneously. These were the first direct elections conducted after the adoption of the 1974 Yugoslav Constitution and the delegate electoral system, and the last elections conducted under a one-party system. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26624302 --> == Tech News: 2024-18 == <section begin="technews-2024-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/18|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' [[File:Talk_pages_default_look_(April_2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * The appearance of talk pages changed for the following wikis: {{int:project-localized-name-azwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hiwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-idwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-rowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-thwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ukwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-viwiki/en}}. These wikis participated to a test, where 50% of users got the new design, for one year. As this test [[Mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability/Analysis|gave positive results]], the new design is deployed on these wikis as the default design. It is possible to opt-out these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|in user preferences]] ("{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}"). The deployment will happen at all wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341491] * Seven new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q33014|Betawi]] ([[w:bew:|<code>w:bew:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T357866] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q35708|Kusaal]] ([[w:kus:|<code>w:kus:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359757] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q35513|Igala]] ([[w:igl:|<code>w:igl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361644] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary}} in [[d:Q33541|Karakalpak]] ([[wikt:kaa:|<code>wikt:kaa:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362135] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q9228|Burmese]] ([[s:my:|<code>s:my:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361085] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q9237|Malay]] ([[s:ms:|<code>s:ms:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363039] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q8108|Georgian]] ([[s:ka:|<code>s:ka:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363085] * You can now [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Early_access:_Watch_Message_Groups_on_Translatewiki.net watch message groups/projects] on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/translatewiki.net|Translatewiki.net]]. Initially, this feature will notify you of added or deleted messages in these groups. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348501] * Dark mode is now available on all wikis, on mobile web for logged-in users who opt into the [[Special:MobileOptions|advanced mode]]. This is the early release of the feature. Technical editors are invited to [https://night-mode-checker.wmcloud.org/ check for accessibility issues on wikis]. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-04|more detailed guidelines]]. '''Problems''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Kartographer|Kartographer]] maps can use an alternative visual style without labels, by using <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mapstyle="osm"</nowiki></code></bdi>. This wasn't working in previews, creating the wrong impression that it wasn't supported. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T362531] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-04-30|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-01|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-02|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26689057 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-19 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:#DDDDDD; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Heinrich Bünting]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Heinrich Bünting''' (1545 – 1606) was a Protestant pastor and theologian. He is best known for his book of woodcut maps titled Itinerarium Sacrae Scripturae (Travel book through Holy Scripture) first published in 1581. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26624302 --> == Tech News: 2024-19 == <section begin="technews-2024-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' [[File:Talk_pages_default_look_(April_2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/18|a few]] have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt-out these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|in user preferences]] ("{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T352087][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the <code>SiteAdminHelper</code>. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:WikimediaMessages#Site_admin_helper|at the extension's page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363932] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]] has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/article-sections-and-description/] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-07|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-08|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-09|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T237729] '''Future changes''' * A new service will be built to replace [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Extension:Graph]]. Details can be found in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph/Plans|the latest update]] regarding this extension. * Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]]". This is part of the [[phab:T304110|progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias]]. These communities can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Community configuration|activate and configure the feature locally]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T308144] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26729363 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-20 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background:var(--background-color-backdrop-dark, #DDDDDD); border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:var(--color-inverted, #000000); padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ruyan (district)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:رویان (طبرستان)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Northern Iran and its surroundings during the Iranian intermezzo.svg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Ruyan''' (Persian: رویان), later known as Rustamdar (رستمدار), was the name of a mountainous district that encompassed the western part of Tabaristan/Mazandaran, a region on the Caspian coast of northern Iran. In Iranian mythology, Ruyan appears as one of the places that the legendary archer Arash shot his arrow from, reaching the edge of Khorasan to mark the border between Iran and Turan. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26755244 --> == Tech News: 2024-20 == <section begin="technews-2024-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/20|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>__EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__</code></bdi> to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344214] * If you use the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|user-preference]] "{{int:tog-uselivepreview}}", then the template-page feature "{{int:Templatesandbox-editform-legend}}" will now also work without reloading the page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136907] * [[mw:Special:Mylanguage/Extension:Kartographer|Kartographer]] maps can now specify an alternative text via the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>alt=</nowiki></code></bdi> attribute. This is identical in usage to the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>alt=</nowiki></code></bdi> attribute in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Images#Syntax|image and gallery syntax]]. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328137] * The old [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GuidedTour|Guided Tour]] for the "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit Review Improvements/New filters for edit review|New Filters for Edit Review]]" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T217451] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.5|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-14|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-15|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-16|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The [[{{#special:search}}]] results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T320295] '''Future changes''' * In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T357706] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Two columns of the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:pagelinks table|pagelinks]]</code></bdi> database table (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>pl_namespace</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>pl_title</code></bdi>) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>[[mw:special:MyLanguage/Manual:linktarget table|linktarget]]</code></bdi> table instead (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>lt_namespace</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>lt_title</code></bdi>). In your existing SQL queries: *# Replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>JOIN pagelinks</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>JOIN linktarget</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>pl_</code></bdi> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>lt_</code></bdi> in the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>ON</code></bdi> statement *# Below that add <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id</code></bdi> ** See <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[phab:T222224]]</bdi> for technical reasoning. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222224][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299947] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26762074 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-21 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Turlough (lake)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Turlough]])&#32;([[:no:Turlough]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Carran Turlough.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''turlough''' is a seasonal or periodic water body found mostly in limestone karst areas of Ireland, west of the River Shannon. [...] The water bodies fill and empty with the changes in the level of the water table, usually being very low or empty during summer and autumn and full in the winter. As groundwater levels drop the water drains away underground through cracks in the karstic limestone. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26789673 --> == Tech News: 2024-21 == <section begin="technews-2024-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/21|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Nuke]] feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43351] * New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Upload_Wizard_Improvements#Changes_to_%22Describe%22_workflow][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361049] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.6|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-21|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-22|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-23|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The HTML used to render all headings [[mw:Heading_HTML_changes|is being changed to improve accessibility]]. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and [[phab:T13555|report any related problems]] so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a [[phab:T337286|Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles]] if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W21"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26786311 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-22 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Geiranger Church]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:no:Geiranger kirke]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- [[File:Iglesia parroquial, Geiranger, Noruega, 2019-09-07, DD 84-97 PAN.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Geiranger Church''' (Norwegian: Geiranger kyrkje) is a parish church of the Church of Norway in Stranda Municipality in Møre og Romsdal county, Norway. It is located in the village of Geiranger, and the end of the famous Geirangerfjorden. It is the church for the Geiranger parish which is part of the Nordre Sunnmøre prosti (deanery) in the Diocese of Møre. The white, wooden church was built in an octagonal design in 1842 using plans drawn up by the architect Hans Klipe. The church seats about 165 people. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26828106 --> == Tech News: 2024-22 == <section begin="technews-2024-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/22|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see [[:phab:T365107|T365107]] and [[:phab:T365119|T365119]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] In March 2024 a new [[mw:ResourceLoader/Core_modules#addPortlet|addPortlet]] API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and [[phab:T361661|give feedback]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.collapsible</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.multicol</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.reflist</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.coordinates</code></bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>.topicon</code></bdi>. [[phab:T361659|Further details are available on replacement CSS]] if it is needed. '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.7|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-28|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-29|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-05-30|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T316303] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26832205 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-23 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Guillermo Larrazábal]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Guillermo Larrazábal Arzubide''' (10 February 1907 – 1983) was a Spanish stained glass artist who was active in Ecuador. He is considered Ecuador's most important stained glass artist. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26828106 --> == Tech News: 2024-23 == <section begin="technews-2024-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/23|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * It is now possible for local administrators to add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without JavaScript. [[mw:Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Add or remove toolbox sections|Documentation is available]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6086] * The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MediaWiki:Wikhiero-usage-tracking-category</code></bdi>" to "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MediaWiki:Wikihiero-usage-tracking-category</code></bdi>". [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/wikihiero/+/1035855] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q5317225|Kadazandusun]] ([[w:dtp:|<code>w:dtp:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365220] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.8|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-04|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-05|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-06|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Future changes''' * Next week, on wikis with the Vector 2022 skin as the default, logged-out desktop users will be able to choose between different font sizes. The default font size will also be increased for them. This is to make Wikimedia projects easier to read. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-06 deployments|Learn more]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26844397 --> == Tech News: 2024-24 == <section begin="technews-2024-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/24|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * The software used to render SVG files has been updated to a new version, fixing many longstanding bugs in SVG rendering. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265549] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The HTML used to render all headings [[mw:Heading HTML changes|is being changed to improve accessibility]]. It was changed last week in some skins (Vector legacy and Minerva). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and [[phab:T13555|report any related problems]] so that they can be resolved before this change is made in Vector-2022. The developers are still considering the introduction of a [[phab:T337286|Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles]] if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The HTML markup used for citations by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]] changed last week. In places where Parsoid previously added the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mw-reference-text</code></bdi> class, Parsoid now also adds the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>reference-text</code></bdi> class for better compatibility with the legacy parser. [[mw:Specs/HTML/2.8.0/Extensions/Cite/Announcement|More details are available]]. [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1036705] '''Problems''' * There was a bug with the Content Translation interface that caused the tools menus to appear in the wrong location. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366374] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.9|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-11|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-12|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-13|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The new version of MediaWiki includes another change to the HTML markup used for citations: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]] will now generate a <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><span class="mw-cite-backlink"></nowiki></code></bdi> wrapper for both named and unnamed references for better compatibility with the legacy parser. Interface administrators should verify that gadgets that interact with citations are compatible with the new markup. [[mw:Specs/HTML/2.8.0/Extensions/Cite/Announcement|More details are available]]. [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1035809] * On multilingual wikis that use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><translate></nowiki></code></bdi> system, there is a feature that shows potentially-outdated translations with a pink background until they are updated or confirmed. From this week, confirming translations will be logged, and there is a new user-right that can be required for confirming translations if the community [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|requests it]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49177] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26893898 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-25 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:de:Magdalena Zeger]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Magdalena Zeger''' ([mak.da.ˈleː.na ˈt͡seː.gɐ], * 1491; † 16. January 1568 in Kolding) was a calendar maker, astronomer and astrologist. Her Hamburg almanacs and forecasts from 1561 and 1563 have been preserved. Zeger's calendars are the first independent publications by a woman in the field of astronomy. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26940351 --> == Tech News: 2024-25 == <section begin="technews-2024-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/25|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * People who attempt to add an external link in the visual editor will now receive immediate feedback if they attempt to link to a domain that a project has decided to block. Please see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check#11_June_2024|Edit check]] for more details. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366751] * The new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CommunityConfiguration|Community Configuration extension]] is available [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration|on Test Wikipedia]]. This extension allows communities to customize specific features to meet their local needs. Currently only Growth features are configurable, but the extension will support other [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community_configuration#Use_cases|Community Configuration use cases]] in the future. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T323811][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360954] * The dark mode [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] is now available on category and help pages, as well as more special pages. There may be contrast issues. Please report bugs on the [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading|project talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366370] '''Problems''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] Cloud Services tools were not available for 25 minutes last week. This was caused by a faulty hardware cable in the data center. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incidents/2024-06-11_WMCS_Ceph] * Last week, styling updates were made to the Vector 2022 skin. This caused unforeseen issues with templates, hatnotes, and images. Changes to templates and hatnotes were reverted. Most issues with images were fixed. If you still see any, [[phab:T367463|report them here]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367480] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.10|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-18|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-19|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-20|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting June 18, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#ref|Reference Edit Check]] will be deployed to [[phab:T361843|a new set of Wikipedias]]. This feature is intended to help newcomers and to assist edit-patrollers by inviting people who are adding new content to a Wikipedia article to add a citation when they do not do so themselves. During [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check#Reference_Check_A/B_Test|a test at 11 wikis]], the number of citations added [https://diff.wikimedia.org/?p=127553 more than doubled] when Reference Check was shown to people. Reference Check is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Configuration|community configurable]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361843]<!-- NOTE: THE DIFF BLOG WILL BE PUBLISHED ON MONDAY --> * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mailing_lists|Mailing lists]] will be unavailable for roughly two hours on Tuesday 10:00–12:00 UTC. This is to enable migration to a new server and upgrade its software. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367521] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26911987 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-26 == {| class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: #f8f9fa; border:1px solid #BBBBBB; color:#000000; padding .4em;" |- |style="text-align:center;"| The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Koreans in Micronesia]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:zh:朝鮮裔密克羅尼西亞人]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Koreans in Micronesia''' used to form a significant population before World War II, when most of the region was ruled as the South Seas Mandate of the Empire of Japan; for example, they formed 7.3% of the population of Palau in 1943. However, after the area came under the control of the United States as the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, most Koreans returned to their homeland. As of 2013, about seven thousand South Korean expatriates & immigrants and Korean Americans reside in the Marianas (Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands), which have remained under U.S. control, while only around two hundred South Korean expatriates reside in the independent countries of Micronesia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 04:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)'' </div> |} <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=26940351 --> == Tech News: 2024-26 == <section begin="technews-2024-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/26|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Editors will notice that there have been some changes to the background color of text in the diff view, and the color of the byte-change numbers, last week. These changes are intended to make text more readable in both light mode and dark mode, and are part of a larger effort to increase accessibility. You can share your comments or questions [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading|on the project talkpage]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361717] * The text colors that are used for visited-links, hovered-links, and active-links, were also slightly changed last week to improve their accessibility in both light mode and dark mode. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366515] '''Problems''' * You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Talk pages permalinking|copy permanent links to talk page comments]] by clicking on a comment's timestamp. [[mw:Talk pages project/Permalinks|This feature]] did not always work when the topic title was very long and the link was used as a wikitext link. This has been fixed. Thanks to Lofhi for submitting the bug. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356196] '''Changes later this week''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/wmf.11|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-25|en}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-26|en}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2024-06-27|en}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.43/Roadmap|calendar]]). [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train][https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] * Starting 26 June, all talk pages messages' timestamps will become a link at English Wikipedia, making this feature available for you to use at all wikis. This link is a permanent link to the comment. It allows users to find the comment they were linked to, even if this comment has since been moved elsewhere. You can read more about this feature [[DiffBlog:/2024/01/29/talk-page-permalinks-dont-lose-your-threads/|on Diff]] or [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools#Talk pages permalinking|on Mediawiki.org]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365974] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=26989424 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-27 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Roller printing on textiles]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Silverstudio.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Roller printing''' on fabrics is a textile printing process patented by Thomas Bell of Scotland in 1783 in an attempt to reduce the cost of the earlier copperplate printing. This method was used in Lancashire fabric mills to produce cotton dress fabrics from the 1790s, most often reproducing small monochrome patterns characterized by striped motifs and tiny dotted patterns called "machine grounds". Improvements in the technology resulted in more elaborate roller prints in bright, rich colours from the 1820s; Turkey red and chrome yellow were particularly popular. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-27 == <section begin="technews-2024-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/27|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * Over the next three weeks, dark mode will become available for all users, both logged-in and logged-out, starting with the mobile web version. This fulfils one of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2023/Reading/Dark_mode|top-requested community wishes]], and improves low-contrast reading and usage in low-light settings. As part of these changes, dark mode will also work on User-pages and Portals. There is more information in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Updates#June_2024:_Typography_and_dark_mode_deployments,_new_global_preferences|the latest Web team update]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366364] * Logged-in users can now set [[m:Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin-skin-prefs|global preferences for the text-size and dark-mode]], thanks to a combined effort across Foundation teams. This allows Wikimedians using multiple wikis to set up a consistent reading experience easily, for example by switching between light and dark mode only once for all wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341278] * If you use a very old web browser some features might not work on the Wikimedia wikis. This affects Internet Explorer 11 and versions of Chrome, Firefox and Safari older than 2016. This change makes it possible to use new [[d:Q46441|CSS]] features and to send less code to all readers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T288287][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:How_to_make_a_MediaWiki_skin#Using_CSS_variables_for_supporting_different_themes_e.g._dark_mode] * Wikipedia Admins can customize local wiki configuration options easily using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]]. Community Configuration was created to allow communities to customize how some features work, because each language wiki has unique needs. At the moment, admins can configure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Feature_summary|Growth features]] on their home wikis, in order to better recruit and retain new editors. More options will be provided in the coming months. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366458] * Editors interested in language issues that are related to [[w:en:Unicode|Unicode standards]], can now discuss those topics at [[mw:Talk:WMF membership with Unicode Consortium|a new conversation space in MediaWiki.org]]. The Wikimedia Foundation is now a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/WMF membership with Unicode Consortium|member of the Unicode Consortium]], and the coordination group can collaboratively review the issues discussed and, where appropriate, bring them to the attention of the Unicode Consortium. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q2891049|Mandailing]] ([[w:btm:|<code>w:btm:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368038] '''Problems''' * Editors can once again click on links within the visual editor's citation-preview, thanks to a bug fix by the Editing Team. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368119] '''Future changes''' * Please [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/758713?lang=en help us to improve Tech News by taking this short survey]. The goal is to better meet the needs of the various types of people who read Tech News. The survey will be open for 2 weeks. The survey is covered by [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Tech_News_Survey_2024_Privacy_Statement this privacy statement]. Some translations are available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27038456 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-28 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:simple:India naming dispute]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:ur:انڈیا نام کا تنازعہ]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''India naming dispute''' in 1947 refers to the argument over the use of the name India during and after the partition of British Raj, between the countries of Pakistan and the Republic of India. This dispute involved key figures such as Lord Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of British Raj, and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the leader of the Muslim League and a founder of Pakistan. By 1947, the British Raj was going to be divided into two new nation states – Hindustan and Pakistan. Jinnah was initially convinced that Hindustan would not use the term India, since it lacked indigenous pedigree, etymologically and historically India meant the Indus Valley (modern-Pakistan). He also opposed the use of the name India as it would cause confusion regarding history. The disagreement had significant implications for national identity and international recognition. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-28 == <section begin="technews-2024-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/28|Translations]] are available. '''Recent changes''' * At the Wikimedia Foundation a new task force was formed to replace the disabled Graph with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project|more secure, easy to use, and extensible Chart]]. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Newsletter:Chart Project|subscribe to the newsletter]] to get notified about new project updates and other news about Chart. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents]] extension is now available on Meta-wiki, Igbo Wikipedia, and Swahili Wikipedia, and can be requested on your wiki. This extension helps in managing and making events more visible, giving Event organizers the ability to use tools like the Event registration tool. To learn more about the deployment status and how to request this extension for your wiki, visit the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment_status|CampaignEvents page on Meta-wiki]]. * Editors using the iOS Wikipedia app who have more than 50 edits can now use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits#Add an image|Add an Image]] feature. This feature presents opportunities for small but useful contributions to Wikipedia. * Thank you to [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights/Contributor retention and growth/Celebration|all of the authors]] who have contributed to MediaWiki Core. As a result of these contributions, the [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights/Contributor retention and growth|percentage of authors contributing more than 5 patches has increased by 25% since last year]], which helps ensure the sustainability of the platform for the Wikimedia projects. '''Problems''' * A problem with the color of the talkpage tabs always showing as blue, even for non-existent pages which should have been red, affecting the Vector 2022 skin, [[phab:T367982|has been fixed]]. '''Future changes''' * The Trust and Safety Product team wants to introduce [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] with as little disruption to tools and workflows as possible. Volunteer developers, including gadget and user-script maintainers, are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle temporary accounts. The team has [[mw:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|created documentation]] explaining how to do the update. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers/2024-04 CTA|Learn more]]. '''Tech News survey''' * Please [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/758713?lang=en help us to improve Tech News by taking this short survey]. The goal is to better meet the needs of the various types of people who read Tech News. The survey will be open for 1 more week. The survey is covered by [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Tech_News_Survey_2024_Privacy_Statement this privacy statement]. Some translations are available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/28|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W28"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27080357 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-29 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Adumu]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Maasai 2012 05 31 2782 (7522645058).jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Adumu''', is a type of dance that the Maasai people of Kenya and Tanzania practice. Young Maasai warriors generally perform the energetic and acrobatic dance at ceremonial occasions including weddings, religious rites, and other significant cultural events. The Adumu dance is characterized by a sequence of jumps performed by the dancers, who stand in a circle and alternately jump while keeping their bodies as straight and upright as possible. In addition to wearing vividly colored shúkàs (clothes) and beaded jewelry, the dancers are typically clad in traditional Maasai costume. Traditional Maasai songs and chants are also performed during the dance. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-29 == <section begin="technews-2024-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/29|Translations]] are available. '''Tech News survey''' * Please [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/758713?lang=en help us to improve Tech News by taking this short survey]. The goal is to better meet the needs of the various types of people who read Tech News. The survey will be open for 3 more days. The survey is covered by [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Tech_News_Survey_2024_Privacy_Statement this privacy statement]. Some translations are available. '''Recent changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Wikimedia developers can now officially continue to use both [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Gerrit|Gerrit]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/GitLab|GitLab]], due to a June 24 decision by the Wikimedia Foundation to support software development on both platforms. Gerrit and GitLab are both code repositories used by developers to write, review, and deploy the software code that supports the MediaWiki software that the wiki projects are built on, as well as the tools used by editors to create and improve content. This decision will safeguard the productivity of our developers and prevent problems in code review from affecting our users. More details are available in the [[mw:GitLab/Migration status|Migration status]] page. * The Wikimedia Foundation seeks applicants for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Proposal|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] (PTAC). This group will bring technical contributors and Wikimedia Foundation together to co-define a more resilient, future-proof technological platform. Council members will evaluate and consult on the movement's product and technical activities, so that we develop multi-generational projects. We are looking for a range of technical contributors across the globe, from a variety of Wikimedia projects. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Proposal#Joining the PTAC as a technical volunteer|Please apply here by August 10]]. * Editors with rollback user-rights who use the Wikipedia App for Android can use the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Anti Vandalism|Edit Patrol]] features. These features include a new feed of Recent Changes, related links such as Undo and Rollback, and the ability to create and save a personal library of user talk messages to use while patrolling. If your wiki wants to make these features available to users who do not have rollback rights but have reached a certain edit threshold, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android#Contact us|you can contact the team]]. You can [[diffblog:2024/07/10/ِaddressing-vandalism-with-a-tap-the-journey-of-introducing-the-patrolling-feature-in-the-mobile-app/|read more about this project on Diff blog]]. * Editors who have access to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/The_Wikipedia_Library|The Wikipedia Library]] can once again use non-open access content in SpringerLinks, after the Foundation [[phab:T368865|contacted]] them to restore access. You can read more about [[m:Tech/News/Recently_resolved_community_tasks|this and 21 other community-submitted tasks that were completed last week]]. '''Changes later this week''' * This week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-07 deployments|dark mode will be available on a number of Wikipedias]], both desktop and mobile, for logged-in and logged-out users. Interface admins and user script maintainers are encouraged to check gadgets and user scripts in the dark mode, to find any hard-coded colors and fix them. There are some [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis|recommendations for dark mode compatibility]] to help. '''Future changes''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Next week, functionaries, volunteers maintaining tools, and software development teams are invited to test the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] feature on testwiki. Temporary accounts is a feature that will help improve privacy on the wikis. No further temporary account deployments are scheduled yet. Please [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|share your opinions and questions on the project talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348895] * Editors who upload files cross-wiki, or teach other people how to do so, may wish to join a Wikimedia Commons discussion. The Commons community is discussing limiting who can upload files through the cross-wiki upload/Upload dialog feature to users auto-confirmed on Wikimedia Commons. This is due to the large amount of copyright violations uploaded this way. There is a short summary at [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Cross-wiki upload|Commons:Cross-wiki upload]] and [[c:Commons:Village pump/Proposals#Deactivate cross-wiki uploads for new users|discussion at Commons:Village Pump]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/29|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' You can also get other news from the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]]. </div><section end="technews-2024-W29"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27124561 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-30 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Rathaus-Glockenspiel]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:2019-11-16, Glockenspiel, Neues Münchner Rathaus, IMG 7463 edit Christoph Braun.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Rathaus-Glockenspiel''' is a large mechanical clock located in Marienplatz Square, in the heart of Munich, Germany. Famous for its life-size characters, the clock twice daily re-enacts scenes from Munich's history. First is the story of the marriage of Duke Wilhelm V to Renata of Lorraine in 1568, followed by the story of the Schäfflerstanz, also known as the coopers' dance. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27031540 --> == Tech News: 2024-30 == <section begin="technews-2024-W30"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/30|Translations]] are available. '''Feature News''' * Stewards can now [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global_blocks|globally block]] accounts. Before [[phab:T17294|the change]] only IP addresses and IP ranges could be blocked globally. Global account blocks are useful when the blocked user should not be logged out. [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Global_locks|Global locks]] (a similar tool logging the user out of their account) are unaffected by this change. The new global account block feature is related to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Temporary Accounts]] project, which is a new type of user account that replaces IP addresses of unregistered editors that are no longer made public. * Later this week, Wikimedia site users will notice that the Interface of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|FlaggedRevs]] (also known as "Pending Changes") is improved and consistent with the rest of the MediaWiki interface and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Wikimedia's design system]]. The FlaggedRevs interface experience on mobile and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Skin:MinervaNeue|Minerva skin]] was inconsistent before it was fixed and ported to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]] by the WMF Growth team and some volunteers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191156] * Wikimedia site users can now submit account vanishing requests via [[m:Special:GlobalVanishRequest|GlobalVanishRequest]]. This feature is used when a contributor wishes to stop editing forever. It helps you hide your past association and edit to protect your privacy. Once processed, the account will be locked and renamed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367329] * Have you tried monitoring and addressing vandalism in Wikipedia using your phone? [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/10/%d9%90addressing-vandalism-with-a-tap-the-journey-of-introducing-the-patrolling-feature-in-the-mobile-app/ A Diff blog post on Patrolling features in the Mobile App] highlights some of the new capabilities of the feature, including swiping through a feed of recent changes and a personal library of user talk messages for use when patrolling from your phone. * Wikimedia contributors and GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives, and museums) organisations can now learn and measure the impact Wikimedia Commons is having towards creating quality encyclopedic content using the [https://doc.wikimedia.org/generated-data-platform/aqs/analytics-api/reference/commons.html Commons Impact Metrics] analytics dashboard. The dashboard offers organizations analytics on things like monthly edits in a category, the most viewed files, and which Wikimedia articles are using Commons images. As a result of these new data dumps, GLAM organisation can more reliably measure their return on investment for programs bringing content into the digital Commons. [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/19/commons-impact-metrics-now-available-via-data-dumps-and-api/] '''Project Updates''' * Come share your ideas for improving the wikis on the newly reopened [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]]. The Community Wishlist is Wikimedia’s forum for volunteers to share ideas (called wishes) to improve how the wikis work. The new version of the wishlist is always open, works with both wikitext and Visual Editor, and allows wishes in any language. '''Learn more''' * Have you ever wondered how Wikimedia software works across over 300 languages? This is 253 languages more than the Google Chrome interface, and it's no accident. The Language and Product Localization Team at the Wikimedia Foundation supports your work by adapting all the tools and interfaces in the MediaWiki software so that contributors in our movement who translate pages and strings can translate them and have the sites in all languages. Read more about the team and their upcoming work on [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/17/building-towards-a-robust-multilingual-knowledge-ecosystem-for-the-wikimedia-movement/ Diff]. * How can Wikimedia build innovative and experimental products while maintaining such heavily used websites? A recent [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/ blog post] by WMF staff Johan Jönsson highlights the work of the [[m:Future Audiences#Objectives and Key Results|WMF Future Audience initiative]], where the goal is not to build polished products but test out new ideas, such as a [[m:Future_Audiences/Experiments: conversational/generative AI|ChatGPT plugin]] and [[m:Future_Audiences/Experiment:Add a Fact|Add a Fact]], to help take Wikimedia into the future. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/30|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' You can also get other news from the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]]. </div><section end="technews-2024-W30"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27142915 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-31 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek]])&#32;([[:nl:Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Nederlandsche Cocainefabriek Schinkelstraat Amsterdam architect HH Baanders 1902.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Nederlandsche Cocaïnefabriek''' (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈneːdərlɑntsə koːkaːˈinəfaːˌbrik]; English: Dutch Cocaine Factory) or NCF was an Amsterdam-based company producing cocaine for medical purposes in the 20th century. It imported its raw materials mainly from the Dutch East Indies and sold its products across Europe, making good profits especially in the early years of World War I. The NCF produced morphine, heroin and ephedrine as well. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27150339 --> == Tech News: 2024-31 == <section begin="technews-2024-W31"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/31|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * Editors using the Visual Editor in languages that use non-Latin characters for numbers, such as Hindi, Manipuri and Eastern Arabic, may notice some changes in the formatting of reference numbers. This is a side effect of preparing a new sub-referencing feature, and will also allow fixing some general numbering issues in Visual Editor. If you notice any related problems on your wiki, please share details at the [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|project talkpage]]. '''Bugs status''' * Some logged-in editors were briefly unable to edit or load pages last week. [[phab:T370304|These errors]] were mainly due to the addition of new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Linter|linter]] rules which led to caching problems. Fixes have been applied and investigations are continuing. * Editors can use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Information tool]] to get information about IP addresses. This tool is available as a Beta Feature in your preferences. The tool was not available for a few days last week, but is now working again. Thank you to Shizhao for filing the bug report. You can read about that, and [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks#2024-07-25|28 other community-submitted tasks]] that were resolved last week. '''Project updates''' * There are new features and improvements to Phabricator from the Release Engineering and Collaboration Services teams, and some volunteers, including: the search systems, the new task creation system, the login systems, the translation setup which has resulted in support for more languages (thanks to Pppery), and fixes for many edge-case errors. You can [[phab:phame/post/view/316/iterative_improvements/|read details about these and other improvements in this summary]]. * There is an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|update on the Charts project]]. The team has decided which visualization library to use, which chart types to start focusing on, and where to store chart definitions. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikivoyage}} in [[d:Q9056|Czech]] ([[voy:cs:|<code>voy:cs:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370905] '''Learn more''' * There is a [[diffblog:2024/07/26/the-journey-to-open-our-first-data-center-in-south-america/|new Wikimedia Foundation data center]] in São Paulo, Brazil which helps to reduce load times. * There is new [[diffblog:2024/07/22/the-perplexing-process-of-uploading-images-to-wikipedia/|user research]] on problems with the process of uploading images. * Commons Impact Metrics are [[diffblog:2024/07/19/commons-impact-metrics-now-available-via-data-dumps-and-api/|now available]] via data dumps and API. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical Community Newsletter/2024/July|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/31|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W31"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27164109 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-32 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Suffrage drama]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Pamphlet from NAWSA for women's suffrage plays, page 1.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Suffrage drama''' (also known as suffrage plays or suffrage theatre) is a form of dramatic literature that emerged during the British women's suffrage movement in the early twentieth century. Suffrage performances lasted approximately from 1907-1914. Many suffrage plays called for a predominant or all female cast. Suffrage plays served to reveal issues behind the suffrage movement. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27150339 --> == Tech News: 2024-32 == <section begin="technews-2024-W32"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/32|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Two new parser functions will be available this week: <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic_words#dir|#dir]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic_words#bcp47|#bcp47]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>. These will reduce the need for <code>Template:Dir</code> and <code>Template:BCP47</code> on Commons and allow us to [[phab:T343131|drop 100 million rows]] from the "what links here" database. Editors at any wiki that use these templates, can help by replacing the templates with these new functions. The templates at Commons will be updated during the Hackathon at Wikimania. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359761][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366623] * Communities can request the activation of the visual editor on entire namespaces where discussions sometimes happen (for instance ''Wikipedia:'' or ''Wikisource:'' namespaces) if they understand the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:VisualEditor/FAQ#WPNS|known limitations]]. For discussions, users can already use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]] in these namespaces. * The tracking category "Pages using Timeline" has been renamed to "Pages using the EasyTimeline extension" [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3ATimeline-tracking-category&namespace=8 in TranslateWiki]. Wikis that have created the category locally should rename their local creation to match. '''Project updates''' * Editors who help to organize WikiProjects and similar on-wiki collaborations, are invited to share ideas and examples of successful collaborations with the Campaigns and Programs teams. You can fill out [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Campaigns/WikiProjects|a brief survey]] or share your thoughts [[m:Talk:Campaigns/WikiProjects|on the talkpage]]. The teams are particularly looking for details about successful collaborations on non-English wikis. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The new parser is being rolled out on {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikivoyage}} wikis over the next few months. The {{int:project-localized-name-enwikivoyage}} and {{int:project-localized-name-hewikivoyage}} were [[phab:T365367|switched]] to Parsoid last week. For more information, see [[mw:Parsoid/Parser_Unification|Parsoid/Parser Unification]]. '''Learn more''' * There will be more than 200 sessions at Wikimania this week. Here is a summary of some of the [[diffblog:2024/08/05/interested-in-product-and-tech-here-are-some-wikimania-sessions-you-dont-want-to-miss/|key sessions related to the product and technology area]]. * The latest [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin/2024/07-02|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]] is available. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2024/July|Language and Internationalization newsletter]] is available. It includes: New design previews for Translatable pages; Updates about MinT for Wiki Readers; the release of Translation dumps; and more. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/31|Growth newsletter]] is available. * The latest monthly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Reports/July 2024|MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter]] is available. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/32|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W32"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27233905 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-33 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Karatgurk]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:it:Karatgurk]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In the Australian Aboriginal mythology of the Aboriginal people of south-eastern Australian state of Victoria, the '''Karatgurk''' were seven sisters who represented the constellation known in western astronomy as the Pleiades. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]] --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)'' </div> </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27264174 --> == Tech News: 2024-33 == <section begin="technews-2024-W33"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/33|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] editors and maintainers can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter/Actions#Show a CAPTCHA|make a CAPTCHA show if a filter matches an edit]]. This allows communities to quickly respond to spamming by automated bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T20110] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Stewards|Stewards]] can now specify if global blocks should prevent account creation. Before [[phab:T17273|this change]] by the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product|Trust and Safety Product]] Team, all global blocks would prevent account creation. This will allow stewards to reduce the unintended side-effects of global blocks on IP addresses. '''Project updates''' * [[wikitech:Help talk:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee#August_2024_committee_nominations|Nominations are open on Wikitech]] for new members to refresh the [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee|Toolforge standards committee]]. The committee oversees the Toolforge [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Right to fork policy|Right to fork policy]] and [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Abandoned tool policy|Abandoned tool policy]] among other duties. Nominations will remain open until at least 2024-08-26. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q2880037|West Coast Bajau]] ([[w:bdr:|<code>w:bdr:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371757] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/33|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W33"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27253654 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-34 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:B1 (classification)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''B1''' is a medical-based Paralympic classification for blind sport. Athletes in this classification are totally or almost totally blind. It is used by a number of blind sports including blind tennis, para-alpine skiing, para-Nordic skiing, blind cricket, blind golf, five-a-side football, goalball and judo. Some other sports, including adaptive rowing, athletics and swimming, have equivalents to this class. The B1 classification was first created by the IBSA in the 1970s, and has largely remained unchanged since despite an effort by the International Paralympic Committee (IPC) to move towards a more functional and evidence-based classification system. Classification is often handled on the international level by the International Blind Sports Federation (IBSA) but it sometimes handled by national sport federations. There are exceptions for sports like athletics and cycling, where classification is handled by their own governing bodies. Equipment utilized by competitors in this class may differ from sport to sport, and may include sighted guides, guide rails, beeping balls and clapsticks. There may be some modifications related to equipment and rules to specifically address needs of competitors in this class to allow them to compete in specific sports. Some sports specifically do not allow a guide, whereas cycling and skiing require one. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27278917 --> == Tech News: 2024-34 == <section begin="technews-2024-W34"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/34|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * Editors who want to re-use references but with different details such as page numbers, will be able to do so by the end of 2024, using a new [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Sub-referencing in a nutshell|sub-referencing]] feature. You can read more [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|about the project]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Test|how to test the prototype]]. * Editors using tracking categories to identify which pages use specific extensions may notice that six of the categories have been renamed to make them more easily understood and consistent. These categories are automatically added to pages that use specialized MediaWiki extensions. The affected names are for: [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Aintersection-category&namespace=8 DynamicPageList], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Akartographer-tracking-category&namespace=8 Kartographer], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Aphonos-tracking-category&namespace=8 Phonos], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Arss-tracking-category&namespace=8 RSS], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Ascore-use-category&namespace=8 Score], [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translations?message=MediaWiki%3Awikihiero-usage-tracking-category&namespace=8 WikiHiero]. Wikis that have created the category locally should rename their local creation to match. Thanks to Pppery for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T347324] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Technical volunteers who edit modules and want to get a list of the categories used on a page, can now do so using the <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">categories</bdi></code> property of <code><bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[[mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Title objects|mw.title objects]]</bdi></code>. This enables wikis to configure workflows such as category-specific edit notices. Thanks to SD001 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50175][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85372] '''Bugs status''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Your help is needed to check if any pages need to be moved or deleted. A maintenance script was run to clean up unreachable pages (due to Unicode issues or introduction of new namespaces/namespace aliases). The script tried to find appropriate names for the pages (e.g. by following the Unicode changes or by moving pages whose titles on Wikipedia start with <code>Talk:WP:</code> so that their titles start with <code>Wikipedia talk:</code>), but it may have failed for some pages, and moved them to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[[Special:PrefixIndex/T195546/]]</bdi> instead. Your community should check if any pages are listed there, and move them to the correct titles, or delete them if they are no longer needed. A full log (including pages for which appropriate names could be found) is available in [[phab:P67388]]. * Editors who volunteer as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Mentorship|mentors]] to newcomers on their wiki are once again able to access lists of potential mentees who they can connect with to offer help and guidance. This functionality was restored thanks to [[phab:T372164|a bug fix]]. Thank you to Mbch331 for filing the bug report. You can read about that, and 18 other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Project updates''' * The application deadline for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Proposal|Product & Technology Advisory Council]] (PTAC) has been extended to September 16. Members will help by providing advice to Foundation Product and Technology leadership on short and long term plans, on complex strategic problems, and help to get feedback from more contributors and technical communities. Selected members should expect to spend roughly 5 hours per month for the Council, during the one year pilot. Please consider applying, and spread the word to volunteers you think would make a positive contribution to the committee. '''Learn more''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award#2024 Winners|2024 Coolest Tool Awards]] were awarded at Wikimania, in seven categories. For example, one award went to the ISA Tool, used for adding structured data to files on Commons, which was recently improved during the [[m:Event:Wiki Mentor Africa ISA Hackathon 2024|Wiki Mentor Africa Hackathon]]. You can see video demonstrations of each tool at the awards page. Congratulations to this year's recipients, and thank you to all tool creators and maintainers. * The latest [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin/2024/08-01|Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin]] is available, and includes some highlights from Wikimania, an upcoming Language community meeting, and other news from the movement. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/34|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W34"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27307284 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-35 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Erzi (village)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Caucasus, Ingushetia, Ингушские боевые и смотровые башни, горы Кавказа.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Erzi''' (Russian: Эрзи; Ingush: Аьрзи, romanized: Ärzi, lit. 'Eagle') is a medieval village (aul) in the Dzheyrakhsky District of Ingushetia. It is part of the rural settlement (administrative center) of Olgeti. The entire territory of the settlement is included in the Dzheyrakh-Assa State Historical-Architectural and Natural Museum-Reserve and is under state protection. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27345183 --> == Tech News: 2024-35 == <section begin="technews-2024-W35"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/35|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Administrators can now test the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] feature on test2wiki. This was done to allow cross-wiki testing of temporary accounts, for when temporary accounts switch between projects. The feature was enabled on testwiki a few weeks ago. No further temporary account deployments are scheduled yet. Temporary Accounts is a project to create a new type of user account that replaces IP addresses of unregistered editors which are no longer made public. Please [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|share your opinions and questions on the project talk page]]. * Later this week, editors at wikis that use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|FlaggedRevs]] (also known as "Pending Changes") may notice that the indicators at the top of articles have changed. This change makes the system more consistent with the rest of the MediaWiki interface. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191156] '''Bugs status''' * Editors who use the 2010 wikitext editor, and use the Character Insert buttons, will [[phab:T361465|no longer]] experience problems with the buttons adding content into the edit-summary instead of the edit-window. You can read more about that, and 26 other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Project updates''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Please review and vote on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas|Focus Areas]], which are groups of wishes that share a problem. Focus Areas were created for the newly reopened Community Wishlist, which is now open year-round for submissions. The first batch of focus areas are specific to moderator workflows, around welcoming newcomers, minimizing repetitive tasks, and prioritizing tasks. Once volunteers have reviewed and voted on focus areas, the Foundation will then review and select focus areas for prioritization. * Do you have a project and are willing to provide a three (3) month mentorship for an intern? [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Outreachy|Outreachy]] is a twice a year program for people to participate in a paid internship that will start in December 2024 and end in early March 2025, and they need mentors and projects to work on. Projects can be focused on coding or non-coding (design, documentation, translation, research). See the Outreachy page for more details, and a list of past projects since 2013. '''Learn more''' * If you're curious about the product and technology improvements made by the Wikimedia Foundation last year, read [[diffblog:2024/08/21/wikimedia-foundation-product-technology-improving-the-user-experience/|this recent highlights summary on Diff]]. * To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out: ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Ohrid - Day 2 - Community Configuration - Shaping On-Wiki Functionality Together.webm|Community Configuration - Shaping On-Wiki Functionality Together]] (55 mins) - about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]] project. ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Belgrade - Day 1 - Future of MediaWiki. A sustainable platform to support a collaborative user base and billions of page views.webm|Future of MediaWiki. A sustainable platform to support a collaborative user base and billions of page views]] (30 mins) - an overview for both technical and non technical audiences, covering some of the challenges and open questions, related to the [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights|platform evolution, stewardship and developer experiences]] research. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/35|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W35"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27341211 --> == Tech News: 2024-36 == <section begin="technews-2024-W36"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/36|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Editors and volunteer developers interested in data visualisation can now test the new software for charts. Its early version is available on beta Commons and beta Wikipedia. This is an important milestone before making charts available on regular wikis. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|read more about this project update]] and help to test the charts. '''Feature news''' * Editors who use the [[{{#special:Unusedtemplates}}]] page can now filter out pages which are expected to be there permanently, such as sandboxes, test-cases, and templates that are always substituted. Editors can add the new magic word [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE|<code dir="ltr"><nowiki>__EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE__</nowiki></code>]] to a template page to hide it from the listing. Thanks to Sophivorus and DannyS712 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184633] * Editors who use the New Topic tool on discussion pages, will [[phab:T334163|now be reminded]] to add a section header, which should help reduce the quantity of newcomers who add sections without a header. You can read more about that, and {{formatnum:28}} other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. * Last week, some Toolforge tools had occasional connection problems. The cause is still being investigated, but the problems have been resolved for now. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373243] * Translation administrators at multilingual wikis, when editing multiple translation units, can now easily mark which changes require updates to the translation. This is possible with the [[phab:T298852#10087288|new dropdown menu]]. '''Project updates''' * A new draft text of a policy discussing the use of Wikimedia's APIs [[m:Special:MyLanguage/API Policy Update 2024|has been published on Meta-Wiki]]. The draft text does not reflect a change in policy around the APIs; instead, it is an attempt to codify existing API rules. Comments, questions, and suggestions are welcome on [[m:Talk:API Policy Update 2024|the proposed update’s talk page]] until September 13 or until those discussions have concluded. '''Learn more''' * To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out: ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Ohrid - Day 2 - Charts, the successor of Graphs - A secure and extensible tool for data visualization.webm|Charts, the successor of Graphs - A secure and extensible tool for data visualization]] (25 mins) – about the above-mentioned Charts project. ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Ohrid - Day 3 - State of Language Technology and Onboarding at Wikimedia.webm|State of Language Technology and Onboarding at Wikimedia]] (90 mins) – about some of the language tools that support Wikimedia sites, such as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation|Content]]/[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation/Section translation|Section Translation]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MinT|MinT]], and LanguageConverter; also the current state and future of languages onboarding. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368772] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/36|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W36"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27390268 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-37 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cappadocian calendar]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Cappadocian calendar''' was a solar calendar that was derived from the Persian Zoroastrian calendar. It is named after the historic region Cappadocia in present-day Turkey, where it was used. The calendar, which had 12 months of 30 days each and five epagomenal days, originated between 550 and 330 BC, when Cappadocia was part of the Persian Achaemenid Empire. The Cappadocian calendar was identical to the Zoroastrian calendar; this can be seen in its structure, in the Avestan names and in the order of the months. The Cappadocian calendar reflects the Iranian cultural influence in the region. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27357319 --> == Tech News: 2024-37 == <section begin="technews-2024-W37"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/37|Translations]] are available. '''Feature news''' * Starting this week, the standard [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|syntax highlighter]] will receive new colors that make them compatible in dark mode. This is the first of many changes to come as part of a major upgrade to syntax highlighting. You can learn more about what's to come on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|help page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365311][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059] * Editors of wikis using Wikidata will now be notified of only relevant Wikidata changes in their watchlist. This is because the Lua functions <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>entity:getSitelink()</code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mw.wikibase.getSitelink(qid)</code></bdi> will have their logic unified for tracking different aspects of sitelinks to reduce junk notifications from [[m:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects/Projects/Watchlist Wikidata Sitelinks Tracking|inconsistent sitelinks tracking]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T295356] '''Project updates''' * Users of all Wikis will have access to Wikimedia sites as read-only for a few minutes on September 25, starting at 15:00 UTC. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370962] * Contributors of [[phab:T363538#10123348|11 Wikipedias]], including English will have a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MOS</code></bdi> namespace added to their Wikipedias. This improvement ensures that links beginning with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MOS:</code></bdi> (usually shortcuts to the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]) are not broken by [[w:en:Mooré|Mooré]] Wikipedia (language code <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mos</code></bdi>). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363538] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/37|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W37"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27424457 --> == Tech News: 2024-38 == <section begin="technews-2024-W38"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/38|Translations]] are available. '''Improvements and Maintenance''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Editors interested in templates can help by reading the latest Wishlist focus area, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|Template recall and discovery]], and share your feedback on the talkpage. This input helps the Community Tech team to decide the right technical approach to build. Everyone is also encouraged to continue adding [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|new wishes]]. * The new automated [[{{#special:NamespaceInfo}}]] page helps editors understand which [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Namespaces|namespaces]] exist on each wiki, and some details about how they are configured. Thanks to DannyS712 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263513] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Reference check|References Check]] is a feature that encourages editors to add a citation when they add a new paragraph to a Wikipedia article. For a short time, the corresponding tag "Edit Check (references) activated" was erroneously being applied to some edits outside of the main namespace. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373692] * It is now possible for a wiki community to change the order in which a page’s categories are displayed on their wiki. By default, categories are displayed in the order they appear in the wikitext. Now, wikis with a consensus to do so can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|request]] a configuration change to display them in alphabetical order. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373480] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Tool authors can now access ToolsDB's [[wikitech:Portal:Data Services#ToolsDB|public databases]] from both [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Quarry|Quarry]] and [[wikitech:Superset|Superset]]. Those databases have always been accessible to every [[wikitech:Portal:Toolforge|Toolforge]] user, but they are now more broadly accessible, as Quarry can be accessed by anyone with a Wikimedia account. In addition, Quarry's internal database can now be [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Quarry#Querying Quarry's own database|queried from Quarry itself]]. This database contains information about all queries that are being run and starred by users in Quarry. This information was already public through the web interface, but you can now query it using SQL. You can read more about that, and {{formatnum:20}} other community-submitted tasks that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. * Any pages or tools that still use the very old CSS classes <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mw-message-box</code></bdi> need to be updated. These old classes will be removed next week or soon afterwards. Editors can use a [https://global-search.toolforge.org/?q=mw-message-box&regex=1&namespaces=&title= global-search] to determine what needs to be changed. It is possible to use the newer <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>cdx-message</code></bdi> group of classes as a replacement (see [https://doc.wikimedia.org/codex/latest/components/demos/message.html#css-only-version the relevant Codex documentation], and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech/Header&diff=prev&oldid=27449042 an example update]), but using locally defined onwiki classes would be best. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374499] '''Technical project updates''' * Next week, all Wikimedia wikis will be read-only for a few minutes. This will start on September 25 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1727276400 15:00 UTC]. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|This maintenance process also targets other services.]] The previous switchover took 3 minutes, and the Site Reliability Engineering teams use many tools to make sure that this essential maintenance work happens as quickly as possible. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370962] '''Tech in depth''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The latest monthly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Reports/August 2024|MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter]] is available. This edition includes details about: research about [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Hooks|hook]] handlers to help simplify development, research about performance improvements, work to improve the REST API for end-users, and more. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out: ** [[c:File:Wikimania 2024 - Auditorium Kyiv - Day 4 - Hackathon Showcase.webm|Hackathon Showcase]] (45 mins) - 19 short presentations by some of the Hackathon participants, describing some of the projects they worked on, such as automated testing of maintenance scripts, a video-cutting command line tool, and interface improvements for various tools. There are [[phab:T369234|more details and links available]] in the Phabricator task. ** [[c:File:Co-Creating a Sustainable Future for the Toolforge Ecosystem.webm|Co-Creating a Sustainable Future for the Toolforge Ecosystem]] (40 mins) - a roundtable discussion for tool-maintainers, users, and supporters of Toolforge about how to make the platform sustainable and how to evaluate the tools available there. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/38|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W38"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27460876 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-39 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Independence Day (Albania)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Independence Day''' (Albanian: Dita e Pavarësisë) is a public holiday in Albania observed on 28 November. It commemorates the Albanian Declaration of Independence (from the Ottoman Empire), which was ratified by the All-Albanian Congress on 28 November 1912, establishing the state of Albania. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27456350 --> == Tech News: 2024-39 == <section begin="technews-2024-W39"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/39|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * All wikis will be [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday September 25 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1727276400 15:00 UTC]. Reading the wikis will not be interrupted, but editing will be paused. These twice-yearly processes allow WMF's site reliability engineering teams to remain prepared to keep the wikis functioning even in the event of a major interruption to one of our data centers. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Add alt text from a halfsheet, with the article behind.png|thumb|A screenshot of the interface for the Alt Text suggested-edit feature]] * Editors who use the iOS Wikipedia app in Spanish, Portuguese, French, or Chinese, may see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits project/Alt Text Experiment|Alt Text suggested-edit experiment]] after editing an article, or completing a suggested edit using "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits project#Hypothesis 2 Add an Image Suggested Edit|Add an image]]". Alt-text helps people with visual impairments to read Wikipedia articles. The team aims to learn if adding alt-text to images is a task that editors can be successful with. Please share any feedback on [[mw:Talk:Wikimedia Apps/iOS Suggested edits project/Alt Text Experiment|the discussion page]]. * The Codex color palette has been updated with new and revised colors for the MediaWiki user interfaces. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Design System Team/Color/Design documentation#Updates|most noticeable changes]] for editors include updates for: dark mode colors for Links and for quiet Buttons (progressive and destructive), visited Link colors for both light and dark modes, and background colors for system-messages in both light and dark modes. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] It is now possible to include clickable wikilinks and external links inside code blocks. This includes links that are used within <code><nowiki><syntaxhighlight></nowiki></code> tags and on code pages (JavaScript, CSS, Scribunto and Sanitized CSS). Uses of template syntax <code><nowiki>{{…}}</nowiki></code> are also linked to the template page. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368166] * Two bugs were fixed in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Account vanishing|GlobalVanishRequest]] system by improving the logging and by removing an incorrect placeholder message. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370595][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T372223] * View all {{formatnum:25}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:25|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] From [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]]: ** The API now enables 5,000 on-demand API requests per month and twice-monthly HTML snapshots freely (gratis and libre). More information on the updates and also improvements to the software development kits (SDK) are explained on [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/enhanced-free-api/ the project's blog post]. While Wikimedia Enterprise APIs are designed for high-volume commercial reusers, this change enables many more community use-cases to be built on the service too. ** The Snapshot API (html dumps) have added beta Structured Contents endpoints ([https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/structured-contents-snapshot-api/ blog post on that]) as well as released two beta datasets (English and French Wikipedia) from that endpoint to Hugging Face for public use and feedback ([https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/hugging-face-dataset/ blog post on that]). These pre-parsed data sets enable new options for researchers, developers, and data scientists to use and study the content. '''In depth''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) is used to get answers to questions using the Wikidata data set. As Wikidata grows, we had to make a major architectural change so that WDQS could remain performant. As part of the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split|WDQS Graph Split project]], we have new SPARQL endpoints available for serving the "[https://query-scholarly.wikidata.org scholarly]" and "[https://query-main.wikidata.org main]" subgraphs of Wikidata. The [http://query.wikidata.org query.wikidata.org endpoint] will continue to serve the full Wikidata graph until March 2025. After this date, it will only serve the main graph. For more information, please see [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/September 2024 scaling update|the announcement on Wikidata]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/39|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W39"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27493779 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-40 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Wildlife of Bahrain]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Birds in Al-Areen Wildlife Park.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The wildlife of the archipelago of Bahrain, is more varied than might be expected of this small group of islands in the Persian Gulf. Apart from a strip of the north and west of the main island, where crops are grown with irrigation, the land is arid. With a very hot dry summer, a mild winter, and brackish groundwater, the plants need adaptations in order to survive. Nevertheless, 196 species of higher plant have been recorded here, as well as about seventeen species of terrestrial mammals, many birds and reptiles, and many migratory birds visit the islands in autumn and spring. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27456350 --> == Tech News: 2024-40 == <section begin="technews-2024-W40"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/40|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Readers of [[phab:T375401|42 more wikis]] can now use Dark Mode. If the option is not yet available for logged-out users of your wiki, this is likely because many templates do not yet display well in Dark Mode. Please use the [https://night-mode-checker.wmcloud.org/ night-mode-checker tool] if you are interested in helping to reduce the number of issues. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis|recommendations page]] provides guidance on this. Dark Mode is enabled on additional wikis once per month. * Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor as their default can access features from the 2017 wikitext editor by adding <code dir=ltr>?veaction=editsource</code> to the URL. If you would like to enable the 2017 wikitext editor as your default, it can be set in [[Special:Preferences#mw-input-wpvisualeditor-newwikitext|your preferences]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239796] * For logged-out readers using the Vector 2022 skin, the "donate" link has been moved from a collapsible menu next to the content area into a more prominent top menu, next to "Create an account". This restores the link to the level of prominence it had in the Vector 2010 skin. [[mw:Readers/2024 Reader and Donor Experiences#Donor Experiences (Key Result WE 3.2 and the related hypotheses)|Learn more]] about the changes related to donor experiences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373585] * The CampaignEvents extension provides tools for organizers to more easily manage events, communicate with participants, and promote their events on the wikis. The extension has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|enabled]] on Arabic Wikipedia, Igbo Wikipedia, Swahili Wikipedia, and Meta-Wiki. [[w:zh:Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他#引進CampaignEvents擴充功能|Chinese Wikipedia has decided]] to enable the extension, and discussions on the extension are in progress [[w:es:Wikipedia:Votaciones/2024/Sobre la política de Organizadores de Eventos|on Spanish Wikipedia]] and [[d:Wikidata:Project chat#Enabling the CampaignEvents Extention on Wikidata|on Wikidata]]. To learn how to enable the extension on your wiki, you can visit [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents|the CampaignEvents page on Meta-Wiki]]. * View all {{formatnum:22}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:22|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Developers with an account on Wikitech-wiki should [[wikitech:Wikitech/SUL-migration|check if any action is required]] for their accounts. The wiki is being changed to use the single-user-login (SUL) system, and other configuration changes. This change will help reduce the overall complexity for the weekly software updates across all our wikis. '''In depth''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|server switch]] was completed successfully last week with a read-only time of [[wikitech:Switch Datacenter#Past Switches|only 2 minutes 46 seconds]]. This periodic process makes sure that engineers can switch data centers and keep all of the wikis available for readers, even if there are major technical issues. It also gives engineers a chance to do maintenance and upgrades on systems that normally run 24 hours a day, and often helps to reveal weaknesses in the infrastructure. The process involves dozens of software services and hundreds of hardware servers, and requires multiple teams working together. Work over the past few years has reduced the time from 17 minutes down to 2–3 minutes. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/66ZW7B2MG63AESQVTXDIFQBDBS766JGW/] '''Meetings and events''' * October 4–6: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WikiIndaba conference 2024|WikiIndaba Conference's Hackathon]] in Johannesburg, South Africa * November 4–6: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024]] in Vienna, Austria '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/40|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W40"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27530062 --> == Tech News: 2024-41 == <section begin="technews-2024-W41"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/41|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Communities can now request installation of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Automoderator|Automoderator]] on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AutoModerator/Deploying|read details about the necessary steps]] for installation and configuration. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T336934] '''Updates for editors''' * Translators in wikis where [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation/Section translation#Try the tool|the mobile experience of Content Translation is available]], can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&active-list=suggestions try it with your mobile device]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368422] * View all {{formatnum:12}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:12|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * It is now possible for <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki><syntaxhighlight></nowiki></code></bdi> code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>copy=1</nowiki></code></bdi> attribute is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SyntaxHighlight#copy|set on the tag]]. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40932] * Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375789] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Later this month, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on [[phab:T376499|these 11 wikis]], and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|Guidance on how to update the code is available]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools [[Wikitech:Gerrit|Gerrit]] and [[Wikitech:GitLab|GitLab]] to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through [[Wikitech:nftables|nftables]] firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on [[Wikitech:Firewall#Throttling with nftables|Firewall]], [[Wikitech:GitLab/Abuse and rate limiting|GitLab limits]] and [[Wikitech:Gerrit/Operations#Throttling IPs|Gerrit operations]]. * Five new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q49224|Komering]] ([[w:kge:|<code>w:kge:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374813] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q36096|Mooré]] ([[m:mos:|<code>m:mos:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374641] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary}} in [[d:Q36213|Madurese]] ([[wikt:mad:|<code>wikt:mad:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374968] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikiquote}} in [[d:Q2501174|Gorontalo]] ([[q:gor:|<code>q:gor:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375088] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikinews}} in [[d:Q56482|Shan]] ([[n:shn:|<code>n:shn:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375430] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/41|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W41"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27557422 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-42 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Little Danes experiment]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:آزمایش دانمارکی‌های کوچک]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Children play at a Danish Red Cross-run orphanage in Greenland.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''little Danes experiment''' was a 1951 Danish operation where 22 Greenlandic Inuit children were sent to Danish foster families in an attempt to re-educate them as "little Danes". While the children were all supposed to be orphans, most were not. Six children were adopted while in Denmark, and sixteen returned to Greenland, only to be placed in Danish-speaking orphanages and never live with their families again. Half of the children experienced mental health disturbances, and half of them died in young adulthood. The government of Denmark officially apologised in 2020, after several years of demands from Greenlandic officials. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27572997 --> == Tech News: 2024-42 == <section begin="technews-2024-W42"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/42|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]], which is used on any regular talk page. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Discussions/Deprecation#Deprecation timeline|A first set of wikis]] are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370722] * WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A [[phab:T332342|change last week]] on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">''hastemplate''</bdi> and <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">''incategory''</bdi> keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:TJones_%28WMF%29/Notes/Language_Analyzer_Harmonization_Notes#ASCII-folding/ICU-folding_%28T332342%29] * View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check|EditCheck]] was installed at Russian Wikipedia, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Editors who use the Toolforge tool [[toolforge:copyvios|Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector]] will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator|Phabricator]] users can create tickets and add comments on existing tickets via Email again. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator/Help#Using email|Sending email to Phabricator]] has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356077] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a <code><nowiki><bdi></nowiki></code> element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Stable interface policy/Frontend#What is not stable?|not recommended]] and might break at any time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375975] '''In depth''' * The latest monthly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Reports/September 2024|MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter]] is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical Community Newsletter/2024/October|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/42|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W42"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27597254 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-43 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Kharayeb]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Muharram 1Oth-Ashouraa 2007 in Kharayeb - panoramio.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Kharayeb''' (Arabic: الخرايب) is a historic town in the Sidon District in the South Governorate, Lebanon. The town is 77 km (48 mi) south of Beirut, and stands at an average altitude of 190 m (620 ft) above sea level. The town boasts a rich historical legacy, with archaeological excavations revealing a complex settlement history spanning from Prehistory to the Ottoman period. Notably, Kharayeb's origins can be traced back to the Persian period (539–330 BC), when it played a pivotal role in the region's agricultural and economic landscape, culminating in the construction of its Phoenician temple around the 6th century BC. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27572997 --> == Tech News: 2024-43 == <section begin="technews-2024-W43"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/43|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Mobile Apps team has released an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Navigation Refresh#Phase 1: Creating a user Profile Menu (T373714)|update]] to the iOS app's navigation, and it is now available in the latest App store version. The team added a new Profile menu that allows for easy access to editor features like Notifications and Watchlist from the Article view, and brings the "Donate" button into a more accessible place for users who are reading an article. This is the first phase of a larger planned [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Navigation Refresh|navigation refresh]] to help the iOS app transition from a primarily reader-focused app, to an app that fully supports reading and editing. The Wikimedia Foundation has added more editing features and support for on-wiki communication based on volunteer requests in recent years. [[File:IOS App Navigation refresh first phase 05.png|thumb|iOS Wikipedia App's profile menu and contents]] '''Updates for editors''' * Wikipedia readers can now download a browser extension to experiment with some early ideas on potential features that recommend articles for further reading, automatically summarize articles, and improve search functionality. For more details and to stay updated, check out the Web team's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments|Content Discovery Experiments page]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Newsletter:Web team's projects|subscribe to their newsletter]]. * Later this month, logged-out editors of [[phab:T376499|these 12 wikis]] will start to have [[mw:Special:Mylanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] created. The list may slightly change - some wikis may be removed but none will be added. Temporary account is a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/User account types|type of user account]]. It enhances the logged-out editors' privacy and makes it easier for community members to communicate with them. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 12 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|Guidance on how to update the code is available]]. Read more about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|deployment plan across all wikis]]. * View all {{formatnum:33}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:33|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the [[w:nr:Main Page|South Ndebele]], [[w:rsk:Главни бок|Pannonian Rusyn]], [[w:ann:Uwu|Obolo]], [[w:iba:Lambar Keterubah|Iban]] and [[w:tdd:ᥞᥨᥝᥴ ᥘᥣᥲ ᥖᥥᥰ|Tai Nüa]] Wikipedia languages were created last week. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36785][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35660][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36614][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33424][https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36556] * It is now possible to create functions on Wikifunctions using Wikidata lexemes, through the new [[f:Z6005|Wikidata lexeme type]] launched last week. When you go to one of these functions, the user interface provides a lexeme selector that helps you pick a lexeme from Wikidata that matches the word you type. After hitting run, your selected lexeme is retrieved from Wikidata, transformed into a Wikidata lexeme type, and passed into the selected function. Read more about this in [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2024-10-17#Function of the Week: select representation from lexeme|the latest Wikifunctions newsletter]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Users of the Wikimedia sites can now format dates more easily in different languages with the new <code dir="ltr">{{[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##timef|#timef]]:…}}</code> parser function. For example, <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{#timef:now|date|en}}</nowiki></code> will show as "<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">{{#timef:now|date|en}}</bdi>". Previously, <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{#time:…}}</nowiki></code> could be used to format dates, but this required knowledge of the order of the time and date components and their intervening punctuation. <code dir="ltr">#timef</code> (or <code dir="ltr">#timefl</code> for local time) provides access to the standard date formats that MediaWiki uses in its user interface. This may help to simplify some templates on multi-lingual wikis like Commons and Meta. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223772][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##timef] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Commons and Meta users can now efficiently [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#Localization|retrieve the user's language]] using <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{USERLANGUAGE}}</nowiki></code> instead of using <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{int:lang}}</nowiki></code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4085] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Tech Advisory Council]] (PTAC) now has its pilot members with representation across Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and South America. They will work to address the [[Special:MyLanguage/Movement Strategy/Initiatives/Technology Council|Movement Strategy's Technology Council]] initiative of having a co-defined and more resilient technological platform. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Initiatives/Technology_Council] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/32|Growth newsletter]] is available. It includes: an upcoming Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module, new Community Configuration options, and details on new projects. * The Wikimedia Foundation is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Security Team#CNA Partnership|now an official partner of the CVE program]], which is an international effort to catalog publicly disclosed cybersecurity vulnerabilities. This partnership will allow the Security Team to instantly publish [[w:en:Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures|common vulnerabilities and exposures]] (CVE) records that are affecting MediaWiki core, extensions, and skins, along with any other code the Foundation is a steward of. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]] is now [[m:Community Wishlist/Updates#October 16, 2024: Conversations Made Easier: Machine-Translated Wishes Are Here!|testing machine translations]] for Wishlist content. Volunteers can now read machine-translated versions of wishes and dive into discussions even before translators arrive to translate content. '''Meetings and events''' * 24 October - Wiki Education Speaker Series Webinar - [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/N4XTB4G55BUY3M3PNGUAKQWJ7A4UOPAK/ Open Source Tech: Building the Wiki Education Dashboard], featuring Wikimedia interns and a Web developer in the panel. * 20–22 December 2024 - [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024|Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024]] in Odisha, India. A hackathon for community members, including developers, designers and content editors, to build technical solutions that improve contributors' experiences. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/43|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W43"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27634672 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-44 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Christmas horror]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Terror navideño]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Christmascarol1843 -- 169.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Christmas horror''' is a fiction genre and film genre that incorporates horror elements into a seasonal setting. It is popular in multiple countries. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27647428 --> == Tech News: 2024-44 == <section begin="technews-2024-W44"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/44|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Later in November, the Charts extension will be deployed to the test wikis in order to help identify and fix any issue. A security review is underway to then enable deployment to pilot wikis for broader testing. You can read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates#October 2024: Working towards production deployment|the October project update]] and see the [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Charts latest documentation and examples on Beta Wikipedia]. * View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, [[w:en:PediaPress|Pediapress.com]], an external service that creates books from Wikipedia, can now use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Maps|Wikimedia Maps]] to include existing pre-rendered infobox map images in their printed books on Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375761] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Wikis can use [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GuidedTour|the Guided Tour extension]] to help newcomers understand how to edit. The Guided Tours extension now works with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Dark mode|dark mode]]. Guided Tour maintainers can check their tours to see that nothing looks odd. They can also set <code>emitTransitionOnStep</code> to <code>true</code> to fix an old bug. They can use the new flag <code>allowAutomaticBack</code> to avoid back-buttons they don't want. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73927#10241528] * Administrators in the Wikimedia projects who use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Nuke|Nuke Extension]] will notice that mass deletions done with this tool have the "Nuke" tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366068] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/44|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W44"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27668811 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-45 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Placenta cake]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:simple:Placenta cake]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Bucharest, Greek pie-maker, 1880.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Placenta cake''' is a dish from ancient Greece and Rome consisting of many dough layers interspersed with a mixture of cheese and honey and flavored with bay leaves, baked and then covered in honey. The dessert is mentioned in classical texts such as the Greek poems of Archestratos and Antiphanes, as well as the De agri cultura of Cato the Elder. It is often seen as the predecessor of baklava and börek. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27647428 --> == Tech News: 2024-45 == <section begin="technews-2024-W45"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/45|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Stewards can now make [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global blocks|global account blocks]] cause global [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblocks]]. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Temporary Accounts]] project. You can read more about the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|progress on key features for temporary accounts]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368949] * Wikis that have the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|CampaignEvents extension enabled]] can now use the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Event list#October 29, 2024: Collaboration List launched|Collaboration List]] feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2024-2025/Product %26 Technology OKRs#WE KRs|the 2024/25 annual plan]]. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#How to Request the CampaignEvents Extension for your wiki|follow these steps]] or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help. * The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370446] * View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, on multilingual wikis, users [[phab:T216368|can now]] hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * XML [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Data dumps|data dumps]] have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/xmldatadumps-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/BXWJDPO5QI2QMBCY7HO36ELDCRO6HRM4/] '''In depth''' * Temporary Accounts have been deployed to six wikis; thanks to the Trust and Safety Product team for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|this work]], you can read about [[phab:T340001|the deployment plans]]. Beginning next week, Temporary Accounts will also be enabled on [[phab:T378336|seven other projects]]. If you are active on these wikis and need help migrating your tools, please reach out to [[m:User:Udehb-WMF|User:Udehb-WMF]] for assistance. * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2024/October|Language and Internationalization newsletter]] is available. It includes: New languages supported in translatewiki or in MediaWiki; New keyboard input methods for some languages; details about recent and upcoming meetings, and more. '''Meetings and events''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024]] is happening in Vienna, Austria and online from 4 to 6 November 2024. The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/45|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W45"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27693917 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-46 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Trisomy 16]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Chromosome 16.svg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Trisomy 16''' is a chromosomal abnormality in which there are 3 copies of chromosome 16 rather than two. It is the most common trisomy leading to miscarriage and the second most common chromosomal cause of it, closely following X-chromosome monosomy. About 6% of miscarriages have trisomy 16. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27708700 --> == Tech News: 2024-46 == <section begin="technews-2024-W46"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * On wikis with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Translate|Translate extension]] enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285463] * View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the submitted task to use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:SecurePoll|SecurePoll extension]] for English Wikipedia's special [[w:en:Wikipedia:Administrator elections|administrator election]] was resolved on time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371454] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] In <code dir="ltr">[[mw:MediaWiki_1.44/wmf.2|1.44.0-wmf-2]]</code>, the logic of Wikibase function <code>getAllStatements</code> changed to behave like <code>getBestStatements</code>. Invoking the function now returns a copy of values which are immutable. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270851] * [https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/ Wikimedia REST API] users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. The API will be rerouting some page content endpoints from RESTbase to the newer [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API|MediaWiki REST API]] endpoints. The [[phab:T374683|impacted endpoints]] include getting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content. These changes will be available on testwiki later this week, with other projects to follow. This change should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints should verify behavior on testwiki, and raise any concerns on the related [[phab:T374683|Phabricator ticket]]. '''In depth''' * Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator_Tools/Automoderator#Usage|where Automoderator is enabled]] can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. [https://superset.wmcloud.org/superset/dashboard/unified-automoderator-activity-dashboard/ This Superset dashboard] calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Automoderator/Unified Activity Dashboard|the documentation page]] for more information about this work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369488] '''Meetings and events''' * 21 November 2024 ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 8:00 UTC|8:00 UTC]] & [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 16:00 UTC|16:00 UTC]]) - [[c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls|Community call]] with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/46|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W46"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27732268 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-47 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Boana platanera]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Rana platanera - Boana platanera.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Boana platanera''''', commonly known as the banana tree dwelling frog, is a species of tree frog in the family Hylidae. It is distributed within Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Trinidad and Tobago. Boana platanera was described in 2021, and individuals of the species were previously classified as Boana crepitans or Boana xerophylla. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27735014 --> == Tech News: 2024-47 == <section begin="technews-2024-W47"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/47|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Users of Wikimedia sites will now be warned when they create a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Redirects|redirect]] to a page that doesn't exist. This will reduce the number of broken redirects to red links in our projects. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326057] * View all {{formatnum:42}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:42|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Pywikibot/Overview|Pywikibot]], which automates work on MediaWiki sites, was upgraded to 9.5.0 on Toolforge. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378676] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * On wikis that use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:FlaggedRevs|FlaggedRevs extension]], pages created or moved by users with the appropriate permissions are marked as flagged automatically. This feature has not been working recently, and changes fixing it should be deployed this week. Thanks to Daniel and Wargo for working on this. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379218][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368380] '''In depth''' * There is a new [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/11/05/say-hi-to-temporary-accounts-easier-collaboration-with-logged-out-editors-with-better-privacy-protection Diff post] about Temporary Accounts, available in more than 15 languages. Read it to learn about what Temporary Accounts are, their impact on different groups of users, and the plan to introduce the change on all wikis. '''Meetings and events''' * Technical volunteers can now register for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]], which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/hackathon2025/ Application for travel and accommodation scholarships] is open from '''November 12 to December 10 2024'''. The registration for the event will close in mid-April 2025. The Wikimedia Hackathon is an annual gathering that unites the global technical community to collaborate on existing projects and explore new ideas. * Join the [[C:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:WMF%20support%20for%20Commons/Commons%20community%20calls|Wikimedia Commons community calls]] this week to help prioritize support for Commons which will be planned for 2025–2026. The theme will be how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons. This is an opportunity for volunteers who work on different things to come together and talk about what matters for the future of the project. The calls will take place '''November 21, 2024, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 8:00 UTC|8:00 UTC]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 21 November 2024 16:00 UTC|16:00 UTC]]'''. * A [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community meetings#29 November 2024|Language community meeting]] will take place '''November 29, 16:00 UTC''' to discuss updates and technical problem-solving. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/47|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W47"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27806858 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-48 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Wang Su-bok]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:وانگ سو بوک]])&#32;([[:ko:왕수복]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Wang Su-bok''' was a singer from North Korea, who was the most popular singer in Japanese-occupied Korea in 1935. She was credited as a ground-breaking female artist, whose work led the way for the modern K-pop phenomenon. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27846897 --> == Tech News: 2024-48 == <section begin="technews-2024-W48"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/48|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] A new version of the standard wikitext editor-mode [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|syntax highlighter]] will be available as a [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] later this week. This brings many new features and bug fixes, including right-to-left support, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Template folding|template folding]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Autocompletion|autocompletion]], and an improved search panel. You can learn more on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|help page]]. * The 2010 wikitext editor now supports common keyboard shortcuts such <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Ctrl</code>+<code>B</code></bdi> for bold and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Ctrl</code>+<code>I</code></bdi> for italics. A full [[mw:Help:Extension:WikiEditor#Keyboard shortcuts|list of all six shortcuts]] is available. Thanks to SD0001 for this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62928] * Starting November 28, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: <bdi>bswiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>elwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>euwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>fawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>fiwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikiquote</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikisource</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikiversity</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwikivoyage</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>idwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>lvwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>plwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>ptwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>urwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>viwikisource</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>zhwikisource</bdi>. This is done as part of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|StructuredDiscussions deprecation work]]. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact [[m:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * View all {{formatnum:25}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:25|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a user creating a new AbuseFilter can now only set the filter to "protected" [[phab:T377765|if it includes a protected variable]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]], which can be used in JavaScript, CSS, JSON, and Lua pages, [[phab:T377663|now offers]] live autocompletion. Thanks to SD0001 for this improvement. The feature can be temporarily disabled on a page by pressing <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>Ctrl</code>+<code>,</code></bdi> and un-selecting "<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">Live Autocompletion</bdi>". * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Tool-maintainers who use the Graphite system for tracking metrics, need to migrate to the newer Prometheus system. They can check [https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/K6DEOo5Ik/grafana-graphite-datasource-utilization?orgId=1 this dashboard] and the list in the Description of the [[phab:T350592|task T350592]] to see if their tools are listed, and they should claim metrics and dashboards connected to their tools. They can then disable or migrate all existing metrics by following the instructions in the task. The Graphite service will become read-only in April. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/KLUV4IOLRYXPQFWD6WKKJUHMWE77BMSZ/] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/NewPP parser report|New PreProcessor parser performance report]] has been fixed to give an accurate count for the number of Wikibase entities accessed. It had previously been resetting after 400 entities. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T279069] '''Meetings and events''' * A [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community meetings#29 November 2024|Language community meeting]] will take place November 29 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000 16:00 UTC]. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Mooré Wikipedia, the language support track at [[m:Wiki Indaba|Wiki Indaba]], and a report from the Wayuunaiki community on their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community over the last 3 years. This meeting will be in English and will also have Spanish interpretation. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/48|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W48"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27847039 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-49 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Storm Filomena]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Spain’s chilly blanket ESA22415247.jpeg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Storm Filomena''' was an extratropical cyclone in early January 2021 that was most notable for bringing unusually heavy snowfall to parts of Spain, with Madrid recording its heaviest snowfall in over a century, and with Portugal being hit less severely. The eighth named storm of the 2020–21 European windstorm season, Filomena formed over the Atlantic Ocean close to the Canary Islands on 7 January, subsequently taking a slow track north-eastwards towards the Iberian Peninsula and then eastwards across the Mediterranean Sea. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27846897 --> == Tech News: 2024-49 == <section begin="technews-2024-W49"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/49|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Two new parser functions were added this week. The <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#interwikilink|#interwikilink]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> function adds an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Links#Interwiki links|interwiki link]] and the <code dir="ltr"><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#interlanguagelink|#interlanguagelink]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> function adds an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Links#Interlanguage links|interlanguage link]]. These parser functions are useful on wikis where namespaces conflict with interwiki prefixes. For example, links beginning with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>MOS:</code></bdi> on English Wikipedia [[phab:T363538|conflict with the <code>mos</code> language code prefix of Mooré Wikipedia]]. * Starting this week, Wikimedia wikis no longer support connections using old RSA-based HTTPS certificates, specifically rsa-2048. This change is to improve security for all users. Some older, unsupported browser or smartphone devices will be unable to connect; Instead, they will display a connectivity error. See the [[wikitech:HTTPS/Browser_Recommendations|HTTPS Browser Recommendations page]] for more-detailed information. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/CTYEHVNSXUD3NFAAMG3BLZVTVQWJXJAH/] * Starting December 16, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: <bdi>arwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>cawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>frwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>mediawikiwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>orwiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>wawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>wawiktionary</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>wikidatawiki</bdi>{{int:comma-separator/en}}<bdi>zhwiki</bdi>. This is done as part of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured_Discussions/Deprecation|StructuredDiscussions deprecation work]]. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact [[m:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380910] * This month the Chart extension was deployed to production and is now available on Commons and Testwiki. With the security review complete, pilot wiki deployment is expected to start in the first week of December. You can see a working version [[testwiki:Charts|on Testwiki]] and read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|the November project update]] for more details. * View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug with the "Download as PDF" system was fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376438] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * In late February, temporary accounts will be rolled out on at least 10 large wikis. This deployment will have a significant effect on the community-maintained code. This is about Toolforge tools, bots, gadgets, and user scripts that use IP address data or that are available for logged-out users. The Trust and Safety Product team wants to identify this code, monitor it, and assist in updating it ahead of the deployment to minimize disruption to workflows. The team asks technical editors and volunteer developers to help identify such tools by adding them to [[mw:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers/Impacted tools|this list]]. In addition, review the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|updated documentation]] to learn how to adjust the tools. Join the discussions on the [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|project talk page]] or in the [[discord:channels/221049808784326656/1227616742340034722|dedicated thread]] on the [[w:Wikipedia:Discord|Wikimedia Community Discord server (in English)]] for support and to share feedback. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/49|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W49"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27873992 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-50 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Syrian literature]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Poem about Baybars page 1 from Hakawati book.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Syrian literature''' is modern fiction written or orally performed in Arabic by writers from Syria since the independence of the Syrian Arab Republic in 1946. It is part of the historically and geographically wider Arabic literature. The modern states of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel as well as the Palestinian autonomous areas only came into being in the mid-20th century. Therefore, Syrian literature has since been referred to by literary scholarship as the national literature of the Syrian Arab Republic, as well as the works created in Arabic by Syrian writers in the diaspora. This literature has been influenced by the country's political history, the literature of other Arabic-speaking countries and, especially in its early days, by French literature. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27846897 --> == Tech News: 2024-50 == <section begin="technews-2024-W50"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/50|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Technical documentation contributors can find updated resources, and new ways to connect with each other and the Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team, at the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Documentation|Documentation hub]] on MediaWiki.org. This page links to: resources for writing and improving documentation, a new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">#wikimedia-techdocs</bdi> IRC channel on libera.chat, a listing of past and upcoming documentation events, and ways to request a documentation consultation or review. If you have any feedback or ideas for improvements to the documentation ecosystem, please [[mw:Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team#Contact us|contact the Technical Documentation Team]]. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Edit Check on Desktop.png|thumb|Layout change for the Edit Check feature]] * Later this week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check|Edit Check]] will be relocated to a sidebar on desktop. Edit check is the feature for new editors to help them follow policies and guidelines. This layout change creates space to present people with [[mw:Edit check#1 November 2024|new Checks]] that appear ''while'' they are typing. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check#Reference Check A/B Test|initial results]] show newcomers encountering Edit Check are 2.2 times more likely to publish a new content edit that includes a reference and is not reverted. * The Chart extension, which enables editors to create data visualizations, was successfully made available on MediaWiki.org and three pilot wikis (Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedias). You can see a working examples [[testwiki:Charts|on Testwiki]] and read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|the November project update]] for more details. * Translators in wikis where the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation/Section translation#Try the tool|mobile experience of Content Translation is available]], can now discover articles in Wikiproject campaigns of their interest from the "[https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&campaign=specialcx&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=collections&active-list=suggestions&from=es&to=en All collection]" category in the articles suggestion feature. Wikiproject Campaign organizers can use this feature, to help translators to discover articles of interest, by adding the <code dir=ltr><nowiki><page-collection> </page-collection></nowiki></code> tag to their campaign article list page on Meta-wiki. This will make those articles discoverable in the Content Translation tool. For more detailed information on how to use the tool and tag, please refer to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Translation suggestions: Topic-based & Community-defined lists/How to use the features|the step-by-step guide]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378958] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Nuke]] feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, now has a [[phab:T376379#10310998|multiselect filter for namespace selection]]. This enables users to select multiple specific namespaces, instead of only one or all, when fetching pages for deletion. * The Nuke feature also now [[phab:T364225#10371365|provides links]] to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions. Thanks to Chlod and the Moderator Tools team for both of these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364225#10371365] * The Editing Team is working on making it easier to populate citations from archive.org using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|Citoid]] tool, the auto-filled citation generator. They are asking communities to add two parameters preemptively, <code dir=ltr>archiveUrl</code> and <code dir=ltr>archiveDate</code>, within the TemplateData for each citation template using Citoid. You can see an [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACite_web%2Fdoc&diff=1261320172&oldid=1260788022 example of a change in a template], and a [https://global-search.toolforge.org/?namespaces=10&q=%5C%22citoid%5C%22%3A%20%5C%7B&regex=1&title= list of all relevant templates]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374831] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikivoyage}} in [[d:Q9240|Indonesian]] ([[voy:id:|<code>voy:id:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380726] * Last week, all wikis had problems serving pages to logged-in users and some logged-out users for 30–45 minutes. This was caused by a database problem, and investigation is ongoing. [https://www.wikimediastatus.net/incidents/3g2ckc7bp6l9] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:19}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:19|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add Link]] feature has been fixed. Previously, the list of sections which are excluded from Add Link was partially ignored in certain cases. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380455][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380329] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]], the design system for Wikimedia, now has an early-stage [[gitiles:design/codex-php|implementation in PHP]]. It is available for general use in MediaWiki extensions and Toolforge apps through [https://packagist.org/packages/wikimedia/codex Composer], with use in MediaWiki core coming soon. More information is available in [[wmdoc:design-codex-php/main/index.html|the documentation]]. Thanks to Doğu for the inspiration and many contributions to the library. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379662] * [https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/ Wikimedia REST API] users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. On December 4, the MediaWiki Interfaces team began rerouting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content endpoints on [[testwiki:|testwiki]] from RESTbase to comparable MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The team encourages active users of these endpoints to verify their tool's behavior on testwiki and raise any concerns on the related [[phab:T374683|Phabricator ticket]] before the end of the year, as they intend to roll out the same change across all Wikimedia projects in early January. These changes are part of the work to replace the outdated [[mw:RESTBase/deprecation|RESTBase]] system. * The [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/986172 2024 Developer Satisfaction Survey] is seeking the opinions of the Wikimedia developer community. Please take the survey if you have any role in developing software for the Wikimedia ecosystem. The survey is open until 3 January 2025, and has an associated [[foundation:Legal:Developer Satisfaction Survey 2024 Privacy Statement|privacy statement]]. * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar] '''Meetings and events''' * The next meeting in the series of [[c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls|Wikimedia Foundation discussions with the Wikimedia Commons community]] will take place on [[m:Event:Commons community discussion - 12 December 2024 08:00 UTC|December 12 at 8:00 UTC]] and [[m:Event:Commons community discussion - 12_December 2024 16:00 UTC|at 16:00 UTC]]. The topic of this call is new media and new contributors. Contributors from all wikis are welcome to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/50|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W50"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27919424 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-51 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Mars ocean theory]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:AncientMars.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Mars ocean theory''' states that nearly a third of the surface of Mars was covered by an ocean of liquid water early in the planet's geologic history. This primordial ocean, dubbed Paleo-Ocean or Oceanus Borealis (/oʊˈsiːənəs ˌbɒriˈælɪs/ oh-SEE-ə-nəs BORR-ee-AL-iss), would have filled the basin Vastitas Borealis in the northern hemisphere, a region that lies 4–5 km (2.5–3 miles) below the mean planetary elevation, at a time period of approximately 4.1–3.8 billion years ago. Evidence for this ocean includes geographic features resembling ancient shorelines, and the chemical properties of the Martian soil and atmosphere <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27933909 --> == Tech News: 2024-51 == <section begin="technews-2024-W51"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/51|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Interested in improving event management on your home wiki? The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] offers organizers features like event registration management, event/wikiproject promotion, finding potential participants, and more - all directly on-wiki. If you are an organizer or think your community would benefit from this extension, start a discussion to enable it on your wiki today. To learn more about how to enable this extension on your wiki, visit the [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment status#How to Request the CampaignEvents Extension for your wiki|deployment status page]]. '''Updates for editors''' * Users of the iOS Wikipedia App in Italy and Mexico on the Italian, Spanish, and English Wikipedias, can see a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Personalized Wikipedia Year in Review|personalized Year in Review]] with insights based on their reading and editing history. * Users of the Android Wikipedia App in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia can see the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Rabbit Holes|Rabbit Holes]] feature. This feature shows a suggested search term in the Search bar based on the current article being viewed, and a suggested reading list generated from the user’s last two visited articles. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global reminder bot|global reminder bot]] is now active and running on nearly 800 wikis. This service reminds most users holding temporary rights when they are about to expire, so that they can renew should they want to. See [[m:Global reminder bot/Technical details|the technical details page]] for more information. * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 13 January 2025 because of the end of year holidays. Thank you to all of the translators, and people who submitted content or feedback, this year. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was [[phab:T374988|fixed]] in the Android Wikipedia App which had caused translatable SVG images to show the wrong language when they were tapped. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * There is no new MediaWiki version next week. The next deployments will start on 14 January. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Yearly_calendar/2025] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/51|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2024-W51"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=27942374 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-52 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2024 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:2023 Slovenia floods]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Sava v Tacnu 4. avgusta ob 16h.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In August 2023, major floods occurred in large part of Slovenia and neighbouring areas of Austria and Croatia due to heavy rain. Amongst others, the level of rivers Sava, Mur and Drava was exceptionally high. Several settlements and transport links in Slovene Littoral, Upper Carniola and Slovenian Carinthia were flooded. Due to the amount of rain, the streams in Idrija, Cerkno and Škofja Loka Hills overflowed. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=27933909 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-01 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Uganda Railways Corporation]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Schienenverkehr in Uganda]])&#32;([[:no:Uganda Railways Corporation]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:9620 mit Güterzug.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Uganda Railways Corporation''' (URC) is the parastatal railway of Uganda. It was formed after the breakup of the East African Railways Corporation (EARC) in 1977 when it took over the Ugandan part of the East African railways. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28019313 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-02 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Internment of Japanese Canadians]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Japanese road camp.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> From 1942 to 1949, Canada forcibly relocated and incarcerated over 22,000 Japanese Canadians—comprising over 90% of the total Japanese Canadian population—from British Columbia in the name of "national security". The majority were Canadian citizens by birth and were targeted based on their ancestry. This decision followed the events of the Japanese Empire's war in the Pacific against the Western Allies, such as the invasion of Hong Kong, the attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, and the Fall of Singapore which led to the Canadian declaration of war on Japan during World War II. Similar to the actions taken against Japanese Americans in neighbouring United States, this forced relocation subjected many Japanese Canadians to government-enforced curfews and interrogations, job and property losses, and forced repatriation to Japan <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28070038 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-03 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Christmas seals]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:no:Julemerke]])&#32;([[:ru:Рождественская виньетка]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:1915 US Christmas Seal.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Christmas seals''' are adhesive labels that are similar in appearance to postage stamps that are sold then affixed to mail during the Christmas season to raise funds and awareness for charitable programs. Christmas seals have become particularly associated with lung diseases such as tuberculosis, and with child welfare in general. They were first issued in Denmark beginning in 1904, with Sweden and Iceland following with issues that same year. Thereafter the use of Christmas seals proved to be popular and spread quickly around the world, with 130 countries producing their own issues. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28086717 --> == Tech News: 2025-03 == <section begin="technews-2025-W03"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/03|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Single User Login system is being updated over the next few months. This is the system which allows users to fill out the login form on one Wikimedia site and get logged in on all others at the same time. It needs to be updated because of the ways that browsers are increasingly restricting cross-domain cookies. To accommodate these restrictions, login and account creation pages will move to a central domain, but it will still appear to the user as if they are on the originating wiki. The updated code will be enabled this week for users on test wikis. This change is planned to roll out to all users during February and March. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3#Deployment|the SUL3 project page]] for more details and a timeline. '''Updates for editors''' * On wikis with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:PageAssessments|PageAssessments]] installed, you can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:PageAssessments#Search|filter search results]] to pages in a given WikiProject by using the <code dir=ltr>inproject:</code> keyword. (These wikis: {{int:project-localized-name-arwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwikivoyage/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-huwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-newiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zhwiki/en}}) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378868] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q34129|Tigre]] ([[w:tig:|<code>w:tig:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381377] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:35}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:35|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with updating a user's edit-count after making a rollback edit, which is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382592] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. Starting the week of January 13, we will begin rerouting [[phab:T374683|some page content endpoints]] from RESTbase to the newer MediaWiki REST API endpoints for all wiki projects. This change was previously available on testwiki and should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints may raise issues directly to the [[phab:project/view/6931/|MediaWiki Interfaces Team]] in Phabricator if they arise. * Toolforge tool maintainers can now share their feedback on Toolforge UI, an initiative to provide a web platform that allows creating and managing Toolforge tools through a graphic interface, in addition to existing command-line workflows. This project aims to streamline active maintainers’ tasks, as well as make registration and deployment processes more accessible for new tool creators. The initiative is still at a very early stage, and the Cloud Services team is in the process of collecting feedback from the Toolforge community to help shape the solution to their needs. [[wikitech:Wikimedia Cloud Services team/EnhancementProposals/Toolforge UI|Read more and share your thoughts about Toolforge UI]]. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] For tool and library developers who use the OAuth system: The identity endpoint used for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#Identifying the user|OAuth 1]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#Identifying the user 2|OAuth 2]] returned a JSON object with an integer in its <code>sub</code> field, which was incorrect (the field must always be a string). This has been fixed; the fix will be deployed to Wikimedia wikis on the week of January 13. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382139] * Many wikis currently use [[:mw:Parsoid/Parser Unification/Cite CSS|Cite CSS]] to render custom footnote markers in Parsoid output. Starting January 20 these rules will be disabled, but the developers ask you to ''not'' clean up your <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]</bdi> until February 20 to avoid issues during the migration. Your wikis might experience some small changes to footnote markers in Visual Editor and when using experimental Parsoid read mode, but if there are changes these are expected to bring the rendering in line with the legacy parser output. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370027] '''Meetings and events''' * The next meeting in the series of [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls|Wikimedia Foundation Community Conversations with the Wikimedia Commons community]] will take place on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 15 January 2025 08:00 UTC|January 15 at 8:00 UTC]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Commons community discussion - 15 January 2025 16:00 UTC|at 16:00 UTC]]. The topic of this call is defining the priorities in tool investment for Commons. Contributors from all wikis, especially users who are maintaining tools for Commons, are welcome to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/03|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W03"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28048614 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-04 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:2010 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:it:Scontri del Nagorno Karabakh del 2010]])&#32;([[:tr:2010 Dağlık Karabağ çatışmaları]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''2010 Nahorno karabakh war''' were a series of exchanges of gunfire that took place on February 18 on the line of contact dividing Azerbaijani and the Karabakh Armenian military forces. Azerbaijan accused the Armenian forces of firing on the Azerbaijani positions near Tap Qaraqoyunlu, Qızıloba, Qapanlı, Yusifcanlı and Cavahirli villages, as well as in uplands of Agdam Rayon with small arms fire including snipers. As a result, three Azerbaijani soldiers were killed and one wounded. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28099770 --> == Tech News: 2025-04 == <section begin="technews-2025-W04"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/04|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Administrators can mass-delete multiple pages created by a user or IP address using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Nuke|Extension:Nuke]]. It previously only allowed deletion of pages created in the last 30 days. It can now delete pages from the last 90 days, provided it is targeting a specific user or IP address. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380846] * On [[phab:P72148|wikis that use]] the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Patrolled edits|Patrolled edits]] feature, when the rollback feature is used to revert an unpatrolled page revision, that revision will now be marked as "manually patrolled" instead of "autopatrolled", which is more accurate. Some editors that use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:New filters for edit review/Filtering|filters]] on Recent Changes may need to update their filter settings. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T302140] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the Visual Editor's "Insert link" feature did not always suggest existing pages properly when an editor started typing, which has now been [[phab:T383497|fixed]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is being progressively removed from the wikis. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]], which is used on any regular talk page. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Structured Discussions/Deprecation#Deprecation timeline|The last group of wikis]] ({{int:project-localized-name-cawikiquote/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fiwikimedia/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-gomwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kabwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwikibooks/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-sewikimedia/en}}) will soon be contacted. If you have questions about this process, please ping [[m:User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] at your wiki. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380912] * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical_Community_Newsletter/2025/January|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: updates about services from the Data Platform Engineering teams, information about Codex from the Design System team, and more. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/04|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W04"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28129769 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-05 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Jinnah's birthday]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Yorkstatue.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Jinnah's Birthday''', officially Quaid-e-Azam Day and sometimes known as Quaid Day, is a public holiday in Pakistan observed annually on 25 December to celebrate the birthday of the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, known as Quaid-i-Azam ("Great Leader"). A major holiday, commemorations for Jinnah began during his lifetime in 1942, and have continued ever since. The event is primarily observed by the government and the citizens of the country where the national flag is hoisted at major architectural structures such as private and public buildings, particularly at the top of Quaid-e-Azam House in Karachi. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28156501 --> == Tech News: 2025-05 == <section begin="technews-2025-W05"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/05|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Patrollers and admins - what information or context about edits or users could help you to make patroller or admin decisions more quickly or easily? The Wikimedia Foundation wants to hear from you to help guide its upcoming annual plan. Please consider sharing your thoughts on this and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs|13 other questions]] to shape the technical direction for next year. '''Updates for editors''' * iOS Wikipedia App users worldwide can now access a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Personalized Wikipedia Year in Review/How your data is used|personalized Year in Review]] feature, which provides insights based on their reading and editing history on Wikipedia. This project is part of a broader effort to help welcome new readers as they discover and interact with encyclopedic content. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Edit patrollers now have a new feature available that can highlight potentially problematic new pages. When a page is created with the same title as a page which was previously deleted, a tag ('Recreated') will now be added, which users can filter for in [[{{#special:RecentChanges}}]] and [[{{#special:NewPages}}]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56145] * Later this week, there will be a new warning for editors if they attempt to create a redirect that links to another redirect (a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Redirects#Double redirects|double redirect]]). The feature will recommend that they link directly to the second redirect's target page. Thanks to the user SomeRandomDeveloper for this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326056] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Wikimedia wikis allow [[w:en:WebAuthn|WebAuthn]]-based second factor checks (such as hardware tokens) during login, but the feature is [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Miscellaneous/Fix security key (WebAuthn) support|fragile]] and has very few users. The MediaWiki Platform team is temporarily disabling adding new WebAuthn keys, to avoid interfering with the rollout of [[mw:MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3|SUL3]] (single user login version 3). Existing keys are unaffected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378402] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * For developers that use the [[wikitech:Data Platform/Data Lake/Edits/MediaWiki history dumps|MediaWiki History dumps]]: The Data Platform Engineering team has added a couple of new fields to these dumps, to support the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Temporary Accounts]] initiative. If you maintain software that reads those dumps, please review your code and the updated documentation, since the order of the fields in the row will change. There will also be one field rename: in the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>mediawiki_user_history</code></bdi> dump, the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>anonymous</code></bdi> field will be renamed to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>is_anonymous</code></bdi>. The changes will take effect with the next release of the dumps in February. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/LKMFDS62TXGDN6L56F4ABXYLN7CSCQDI/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28149374 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-06 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:French conquest of Corsica]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Bataille de Ponte Novu.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''French conquest of Corsica''' was a successful expedition by French forces of the Kingdom of France under Comte de Vaux, against Corsican forces under Pasquale Paoli of the Corsican Republic. The expedition was launched in May 1768, in the aftermath of the Seven Years' War. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28200320 --> == Tech News: 2025-06 == <section begin="technews-2025-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/06|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors who use the "Special characters" editing-toolbar menu can now see the 32 special characters you have used most recently, across editing sessions on that wiki. This change should help make it easier to find the characters you use most often. The feature is in both the 2010 wikitext editor and VisualEditor. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110722] * Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor can now create sublists with correct indentation by selecting the line(s) you want to indent and then clicking the toolbar buttons.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380438] You can now also insert <code><nowiki><code></nowiki></code> tags using a new toolbar button.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383010] Thanks to user stjn for these improvements. * Help is needed to ensure the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]] works properly on each wiki. ** (1) Administrators should update the local versions of the page <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json</code> to include entries for <code dir=ltr>preprint</code>, <code dir=ltr>standard</code>, and <code dir=ltr>dataset</code>; Here are example diffs to replicate [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACitoid-template-type-map.json&diff=1189164774&oldid=1165783565 for 'preprint'] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACitoid-template-type-map.json&diff=1270832208&oldid=1270828390 for 'standard' and 'dataset']. ** (2.1) If the citoid map in the citation template used for these types of references is missing, [[mediawikiwiki:Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki#Step 2.a: Create a 'citoid' maps value for each citation template|one will need to be added]]. (2.2) If the citoid map does exist, the TemplateData will need to be updated to include new field names. Here are example updates [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACitation%2Fdoc&diff=1270829051&oldid=1262470053 for 'preprint'] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACitation%2Fdoc&diff=1270831369&oldid=1270829480 for 'standard' and 'dataset']. The new fields that may need to be supported are <code dir=ltr>archiveID</code>, <code dir=ltr>identifier</code>, <code dir=ltr>repository</code>, <code dir=ltr>organization</code>, <code dir=ltr>repositoryLocation</code>, <code dir=ltr>committee</code>, and <code dir=ltr>versionNumber</code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383666] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q15637215|Central Kanuri]] ([[w:knc:|<code>w:knc:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385181] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the [[mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Wikisource/Wikimedia OCR|OCR (optical character recognition) tool]] used for Wikisource now supports a new language, Church Slavonic. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384782] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/06|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W06"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28203495 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-07 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Assassination of Spencer Perceval]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:PercevalShooting.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> On 11 May 1812, at about 5:15 pm, Spencer Perceval, the prime minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, was shot dead in the lobby of the House of Commons by John Bellingham, a Liverpool merchant with a grievance against the government. Bellingham was detained; four days after the murder, he was tried, convicted and sentenced to death. He was hanged at Newgate Prison on 18 May, one week after the assassination and one month before the start of the War of 1812. Perceval remains the sole British prime minister to have been assassinated. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28200320 --> == Tech News: 2025-07 == <section begin="technews-2025-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/07|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Product and Technology Advisory Council (PTAC) has published [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/February 2025 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|a draft of their recommendations]] for the Wikimedia Foundation's Product and Technology department. They have recommended focusing on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/February 2025 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback/Mobile experiences|mobile experiences]], particularly contributions. They request community [[m:Talk:Product and Technology Advisory Council/February 2025 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|feedback at the talk page]] by 21 February. '''Updates for editors''' * The "Special pages" portlet link will be moved from the "Toolbox" into the "Navigation" section of the main menu's sidebar by default. This change is because the Toolbox is intended for tools relating to the current page, not tools relating to the site, so the link will be more logically and consistently located. To modify this behavior and update CSS styling, administrators can follow the instructions at [[phab:T385346|T385346]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333211] * As part of this year's work around improving the ways readers discover content on the wikis, the Web team will be running an experiment with a small number of readers that displays some suggestions for related or interesting articles within the search bar. Please check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments#Experiment 1: Display article recommendations in more prominent locations, search|the project page]] for more information. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Template editors who use TemplateStyles can now customize output for users with specific accessibility needs by using accessibility related media queries (<code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-motion prefers-reduced-motion]</code>, <code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-transparency prefers-reduced-transparency]</code>, <code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-contrast prefers-contrast]</code>, and <code dir=ltr>[https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/forced-colors forced-colors]</code>). Thanks to user Bawolff for these improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384175] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:22}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:22|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the global blocks log will now be shown directly on the {{#special:CentralAuth}} page, similarly to global locks, to simplify the workflows for stewards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377024] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Wikidata [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Default values for labels and aliases|now supports a special language as a "default for all languages"]] for labels and aliases. This is to avoid excessive duplication of the same information across many languages. If your Wikidata queries use labels, you may need to update them as some existing labels are getting removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T312511] * The function <code dir="ltr">getDescription</code> was invoked on every Wiki page read and accounts for ~2.5% of a page's total load time. The calculated value will now be cached, reducing load on Wikimedia servers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383660] * As part of the RESTBase deprecation [[mw:RESTBase/deprecation|effort]], the <code dir="ltr">/page/related</code> endpoint has been blocked as of February 6, 2025, and will be removed soon. This timeline was chosen to align with the deprecation schedules for older Android and iOS versions. The stable alternative is the "<code dir="ltr">morelike</code>" action API in MediaWiki, and [[gerrit:c/mediawiki/services/mobileapps/+/982154/13/pagelib/src/transform/FooterReadMore.js|a migration example]] is available. The MediaWiki Interfaces team [[phab:T376297|can be contacted]] for any questions. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/GFC2IJO7L4BWO3YTM7C5HF4MCCBE2RJ2/] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/January|Language and Internationalization newsletter]] is available. It includes: Updates about the "Contribute" menu; details on some of the newest language editions of Wikipedia; details on new languages supported by the MediaWiki interface; updates on the Community-defined lists feature; and more. * The latest [[mw:Extension:Chart/Project/Updates#January 2025: Better visibility into charts and tabular data usage|Chart Project newsletter]] is available. It includes updates on the progress towards bringing better visibility into global charts usage and support for categorizing pages in the Data namespace on Commons. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:12, 11 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28231022 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-08 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:2010 Malagasy constitutional referendum]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A constitutional referendum was held in Madagascar on 17 November 2010, in which voters approved a proposal for the state's fourth Constitution. The Malagasy people were asked to answer "Yes" or "No" to the proposed new constitution, which was considered to help consolidate Andry Rajoelina's grip on power. At the time of the referendum, Rajoelina headed the governing Highest Transitional Authority (HAT), an interim junta established following the military-backed coup d'état against then President Marc Ravalomanana in March 2009. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28245290 --> == Tech News: 2025-08 == <section begin="technews-2025-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/08|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Communities using growth tools can now showcase one event on the <code>{{#special:Homepage}}</code> for newcomers. This feature will help newcomers to be informed about editing activities they can participate in. Administrators can create a new event to showcase at <code>{{#special:CommunityConfiguration}}</code>. To learn more about this feature, please read [[diffblog:2025/02/12/community-updates-module-connecting-newcomers-to-your-initiatives/|the Diff post]], have a look [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Community updates module|at the documentation]], or contact [[mw:Talk:Growth|the Growth team]]. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Page Frame Features on desktop.png|thumb|Highlighted talk pages improvements]] * Starting next week, talk pages at these wikis – {{int:project-localized-name-eswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jawiki/en}} – will get [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|a new design]]. This change was extensively tested as a Beta feature and is the last step of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary|talk pages improvements]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379102] * You can now navigate to view a redirect page directly from its action pages, such as the history page. Previously, you were forced to first go to the redirect target. This change should help editors who work with redirects a lot. Thanks to user stjn for this improvement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5324] * When a Cite reference is reused many times, wikis currently show either numbers like "1.23" or localized alphabetic markers like "a b c" in the reference list. Previously, if there were so many reuses that the alphabetic markers were all used, [[MediaWiki:Cite error references no backlink label|an error message]] was displayed. As part of the work to [[phab:T383036|modernize Cite customization]], these errors will no longer be shown and instead the backlinks will fall back to showing numeric markers like "1.23" once the alphabetic markers are all used. * The log entries for each change to an editor's user-groups are now clearer by specifying exactly what has changed, instead of the plain before and after listings. Translators can [[phab:T369466|help to update the localized versions]]. Thanks to user Msz2001 for these improvements. * A new filter has been added to the [[{{#special:Nuke}}]] tool, which allows administrators to mass delete pages, to enable users to filter for pages in a range of page sizes (in bytes). This allows, for example, deleting pages only of a certain size or below. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378488] * Non-administrators can now check which pages are able to be deleted using the [[{{#special:Nuke}}]] tool. Thanks to user MolecularPilot for this and the previous improvements. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376378] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:25}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:25|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed in the configuration for the AV1 video file format, which enables these files to play again. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382193] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Parsoid Read Views is going to be rolling out to most Wiktionaries over the next few weeks, following the successful transition of Wikivoyage to Parsoid Read Views last year. For more information, see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification|Parsoid/Parser Unification]] project page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385923][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371640] * Developers of tools that run on-wiki should note that <code dir=ltr>mw.Uri</code> is deprecated. Tools requiring <code dir=ltr>mw.Uri</code> must explicitly declare <code dir=ltr>mediawiki.Uri</code> as a ResourceLoader dependency, and should migrate to the browser native <code dir=ltr>URL</code> API soon. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384515] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28275610 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-09 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Cooler Heads Coalition]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Cooler Heads Coalition]])&#32;([[:fr:Cooler Heads Coalition]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Cooler Heads Coalition''' is a politically conservative "informal and ad-hoc group" in the United States, financed and operated by the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The group, which rejects the scientific consensus on climate change, made efforts to stop the government from addressing climate change. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:23, 24 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28300238 --> == Tech News: 2025-09 == <section begin="technews-2025-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/09|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Administrators can now customize how the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User language|Babel feature]] creates categories using [[{{#special:CommunityConfiguration/Babel}}]]. They can rename language categories, choose whether they should be auto-created, and adjust other settings. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374348] * The <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://www.wikimedia.org/ wikimedia.org]</bdi> portal has been updated – and is receiving some ongoing improvements – to modernize and improve the accessibility of our portal pages. It now has better support for mobile layouts, updated wording and links, and better language support. Additionally, all of the Wikimedia project portals, such as <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://wikibooks.org wikibooks.org]</bdi>, now support dark mode when a reader is using that system setting. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373204][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368221][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_portals] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary/en}} in [[d:Q33965|Santali]] ([[wikt:sat:|<code>wikt:sat:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386619] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that prevented clicking on search results in the web-interface for some Firefox for Android phone configurations. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381289] '''Meetings and events''' * The next Language Community Meeting is happening soon, February 28th at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1740751200 14:00 UTC]. This week's meeting will cover: highlights and technical updates on keyboard and tools for the Sámi languages, Translatewiki.net contributions from the Bahasa Lampung community in Indonesia, and technical Q&A. If you'd like to join, simply [[mw:Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Community meetings#28 February 2025|sign up on the wiki page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28296129 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-10 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:pt:Transmissor de Ondas]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Wave Transmitter]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Esq eletr transm ondas color.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Transmissor de Ondas''' é um equipamento precursor do rádio, desenvolvido por Roberto Landell de Moura na década de 1890, capaz de transmitir áudio via ondas eletromagnéticas, com sua primeira demonstração pública documentada tendo ocorrido no dia 16 de julho de 1899. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:49, 3 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28317097 --> == Tech News: 2025-10 == <section begin="technews-2025-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/10|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * All logged-in editors using the mobile view can now edit a full page. The "{{int:Minerva-page-actions-editfull}}" link is accessible from the "{{int:minerva-page-actions-overflow}}" menu in the toolbar. This was previously only available to editors using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|Advanced mobile contributions]] setting. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387180] * Interface administrators can now help to remove the deprecated Cite CSS code matching "<code dir="ltr">mw-ref</code>" from their local <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]</bdi>. The list of wikis in need of cleanup, and the code to remove, [https://global-search.toolforge.org/?q=mw-ref%5B%5E-a-z%5D&regex=1&namespaces=8&title=.*css can be found with this global search] and in [https://ace.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&oldid=145662#L-139--L-144 this example], and you can learn more about how to help on the [[mw:Parsoid/Parser Unification/Cite CSS|CSS migration project page]]. The Cite footnote markers ("<code dir="ltr">[1]</code>") are now rendered by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid|Parsoid]], and the deprecated CSS is no longer needed. The CSS for backlinks ("<code dir="ltr">mw:referencedBy</code>") should remain in place for now. This cleanup is expected to cause no visible changes for readers. Please help to remove this code before March 20, after which the development team will do it for you. * When editors embed a file (e.g. <code><nowiki>[[File:MediaWiki.png]]</nowiki></code>) on a page that is protected with cascading protection, the software will no longer restrict edits to the file description page, only to new file uploads.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24521] In contrast, transcluding a file description page (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{:File:MediaWiki.png}}</nowiki></code>) will now restrict edits to the page.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62109] * When editors revert a file to an earlier version it will now require the same permissions as ordinarily uploading a new version of the file. The software now checks for 'reupload' or 'reupload-own' rights,[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304474] and respects cascading protection.[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140010] * When administrators are listing pages for deletion with the Nuke tool, they can now also list associated talk pages and redirects for deletion, alongside pages created by the target, rather than needing to manually delete these pages afterwards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95797] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/03|previously noted]] update to Single User Login, which will accommodate browser restrictions on cross-domain cookies by moving login and account creation to a central domain, will now roll out to all users during March and April. The team plans to enable it for all new account creation on [[wikitech:Deployments/Train#Tuesday|Group0]] wikis this week. See [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3#Deployment|the SUL3 project page]] for more details and an updated timeline. * Since last week there has been a bug that shows some interface icons as black squares until the page has fully loaded. It will be fixed this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387351] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q2044560|Sylheti]] ([[w:syl:|<code>w:syl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386441] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed with loading images in very old versions of the Firefox browser on mobile. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386400] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.19|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 02:31, 4 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28334563 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-11 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Smoky (mascotte olimpica)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Smoky (Olympic mascot)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Smoky 1932 Olympic Village Mascot.webp|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Smoky''' (Los Angeles, 1931 o 1932 - Los Angeles, aprile 1934), occasionalmente scritto Smokey, è stato un cane che divenne la mascotte del villaggio olimpico estivo del 1932 e, successivamente, dell'evento generale. Pur non essendo oggi riconosciuto dal CIO, è stato, seppur non in modo ufficiale, la prima mascotte olimpica dei Giochi, oltre che a essere attualmente l'unica a essere stata un animale vero. Le successive edizioni non ebbero mascotte, dovendo aspettare i X Giochi olimpici invernali di Grenoble nel 1968 per ritrovarne una ufficialmente riconosciuta, lo sciatore stilizzato Schuss, allora non considerato ufficiale ma successivamente riconosciuto come tale. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28317097 --> == Tech News: 2025-11 == <section begin="technews-2025-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/11|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors who use password managers at multiple wikis may notice changes in the future. The way that our wikis provide information to password managers about reusing passwords across domains has recently been updated, so some password managers might now offer you login credentials that you saved for a different Wikimedia site. Some password managers already did this, and are now doing it for more Wikimedia domains. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3|SUL3 project]] which aims to improve how our unified login works, and to keep it compatible with ongoing changes to the web-browsers we use. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385520][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384844] * The Wikipedia Apps Team is inviting interested users to help improve Wikipedia’s offline and limited internet use. After discussions in [[m:Afrika Baraza|Afrika Baraza]] and the last [[m:Special:MyLanguage/ESEAP Hub/Meetings|ESEAP call]], key challenges like search, editing, and offline access are being explored, with upcoming focus groups to dive deeper into these topics. All languages are welcome, and interpretation will be available. Want to share your thoughts? [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Improving Wikipedia Mobile Apps for Offline & Limited Internet Use|Join the discussion]] or email <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">aramadan@wikimedia.org</bdi>! * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 19. This is planned at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1742392800 14:00 UTC]. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.20|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/33|Growth newsletter]] is available. It includes: the launch of the Community Updates module, the most recent changes in Community Configuration, and the upcoming test of in-article suggestions for first-time editors. * An old API that was previously used in the Android Wikipedia app is being removed at the end of March. There are no current software uses, but users of the app with a version that is older than 6 months by the time of removal (2025-03-31), will no longer have access to the Suggested Edits feature, until they update their app. You can [[diffblog:2025/02/24/sunset-of-wikimedia-recommendation-api/|read more details about this change]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28372257 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-12 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo]])&#32;([[:es:Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Frame A from Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo''''' (lit. 'Amazon: The Greatest River in the World') is a 1922 Brazilian silent documentary film produced in 1918 by Silvino Santos. It is a black-and-white film that portrays life in the Amazon rainforest. Completed in 1920, it is considered one of the oldest cinematic records of the Amazon. It was presumed lost in 1931 and only rediscovered in 2023 at the Czech Film Archive. Silvino Santos produced the work over three years using sophisticated cinematic techniques, which led it to be deemed of "immense artistic value" by Le Monde. It has also been described as the "Holy Grail of Brazilian silent cinema" by The Guardian. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28392163 --> == Tech News: 2025-12 == <section begin="technews-2025-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/12|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Twice a year, around the equinoxes, the Wikimedia Foundation's Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) team performs [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|a datacenter server switchover]], redirecting all traffic from one primary server to its backup. This provides reliability in case of a crisis, as we can always fall back on the other datacenter. [http://listen.hatnote.com/ Thanks to the Listen to Wikipedia] tool, you can hear the switchover take place: Before it begins, you'll hear the steady stream of edits; Then, as the system enters a brief read-only phase, the sound stops for a couple of minutes, before resuming after the switchover. You can [[diffblog:2025/03/12/hear-that-the-wikis-go-silent-twice-a-year/|read more about the background and details of this process on the Diff blog]]. If you want to keep an ear out for the next server switchover, listen to the wikis on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1742392800 March 19 at 14:00 UTC]. '''Updates for editors''' * The [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=es improved Content Translation tool dashboard] is now available in [[phab:T387820|10 Wikipedias]] and will be available for all Wikipedias [[phab:T387821|soon]]. With [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation#Improved translation experience|the unified dashboard]], desktop users can now: Translate new sections of an article; Discover and access topic-based [https://ig.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=ig&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits article suggestion filters] (initially available only for mobile device users); Discover and access the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Translation suggestions: Topic-based & Community-defined lists|Community-defined lists]] filter, also known as "Collections", from wiki-projects and campaigns. * On Wikimedia Commons, a [[c:Commons:WMF support for Commons/Upload Wizard Improvements#Improve category selection|new system to select the appropriate file categories]] has been introduced: if a category has one or more subcategories, users will be able to click on an arrow that will open the subcategories directly within the form, and choose the correct one. The parent category name will always be shown on top, and it will always be possible to come back to it. This should decrease the amount of work for volunteers in fixing/creating new categories. The change is also available on mobile. These changes are part of planned improvements to the UploadWizard. * The Community Tech team is seeking wikis to join a pilot for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] feature and a refreshed Special:Block page in late March. Multiblocks enables administrators to impose multiple different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. If you are an admin or steward and would like us to discuss joining the pilot with your community, please leave a message on the [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|project talk page]]. * Starting March 25, the Editing team will test a new feature for Edit Check at [[phab:T384372|12 Wikipedias]]: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Multi-check|Multi-Check]]. Half of the newcomers on these wikis will see all [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#ref|Reference Checks]] during their edit session, while the other half will continue seeing only one. The goal of this test is to see if users are confused or discouraged when shown multiple Reference Checks (when relevant) within a single editing session. At these wikis, the tags used on edits that show References Check will be simplified, as multiple tags could be shown within a single edit. Changes to the tags are documented [[phab:T373949|on Phabricator]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379131] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global reminder bot|Global reminder bot]], which is a service for notifying users that their temporary user-rights are about to expire, now supports using the localized name of the user-rights group in the message heading. Translators can see the [[m:Global reminder bot/Translation|listing of existing translations and documentation]] to check if their language needs updating or creation. * The [[Special:GlobalPreferences|GlobalPreferences]] gender setting, which is used for how the software should refer to you in interface messages, now works as expected by overriding the local defaults. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386584] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:26}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:26|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the Wikipedia App for Android had a bug fixed for when a user is browsing and searching in multiple languages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379777] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Later this week, the way that Codex styles are loaded will be changing. There is a small risk that this may result in unstyled interface message boxes on certain pages. User generated content (e.g. templates) is not impacted. Gadgets may be impacted. If you see any issues [[phab:T388847|please report them]]. See the linked task for details, screenshots, and documentation on how to fix any affected gadgets. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.21|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:48, 17 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28412594 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-13 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ali of the Eretnids]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:tr:Alaaddin Ali Bey]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Ala al-Din Ali''' (January 1353 – August 1380) was the third Sultan of the Eretnids ruling from 1366 until his death. He inherited the throne at a very early age and was removed from administrative matters. He was characterized as particularly keen on personal pleasures, which later discredited his authority. During his rule, emirs under the Eretnids enjoyed considerable autonomy, and the state continued to shrink as neighboring powers captured several towns. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:59, 24 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28433698 --> == Tech News: 2025-13 == <section begin="technews-2025-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/13|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking your feedback on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs|drafts of the objectives and key results that will shape the Foundation's Product and Technology priorities]] for the next fiscal year (starting in July). The objectives are broad high-level areas, and the key-results are measurable ways to track the success of their objectives. Please share your feedback on the talkpage, in any language, ideally before the end of April. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] will be released to multiple wikis (see [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#Global Deployment Plan|deployment plan]] for details) in April 2025, and the team has begun the process of engaging communities on the identified wikis. The extension provides tools to organize, manage, and promote collaborative activities (like events, edit-a-thons, and WikiProjects) on the wikis. The extension has three tools: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Invitation list|Invitation Lists]]. It is currently on 13 Wikipedias, including English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, and Spanish Wikipedia, as well as Wikidata. Questions or requests can be directed to the [[mw:Help talk:Extension:CampaignEvents|extension talk page]] or in Phabricator (with <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;">#campaigns-product-team</bdi> tag). * Starting the week of March 31st, wikis will be able to set which user groups can view private registrants in [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], as part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents]] extension. By default, event organizers and the local wiki admins will be able to see private registrants. This is a change from the current behavior, in which only event organizers can see private registrants. Wikis can change the default setup by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|requesting a configuration change]] in Phabricator (and adding the <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;">#campaigns-product-team</bdi> tag). Participants of past events can cancel their registration at any time. * Administrators at wikis that have a customized <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]</bdi> should check that it contains an entry for the {{int:specialpages}} listing. If it does not, they should add it using <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">* specialpages-url|specialpages</code>. Wikis with a default sidebar will see the link moved from the page toolbox into the sidebar menu in April. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T388927] * The Minerva skin (mobile web) combines both Notice and Alert notifications within the bell icon ([[File:OOjs UI icon bell.svg|16px|link=|class=skin-invert]]). There was a long-standing bug where an indication for new notifications was only shown if you had unseen Alerts. This bug is now fixed. In the future, Minerva users will notice a counter atop the bell icon when you have 1 or more unseen Notices and/or Alerts. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T344029] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * VisualEditor has introduced a [[mw:VisualEditor/Hooks|new client-side hook]] for developers to use when integrating with the VisualEditor target lifecycle. This hook should replace the existing lifecycle-related hooks, and be more consistent between different platforms. In addition, the new hook will apply to uses of VisualEditor outside of just full article editing, allowing gadgets to interact with the editor in DiscussionTools as well. The Editing Team intends to deprecate and eventually remove the old lifecycle hooks, so any use cases that this new hook does not cover would be of interest to them and can be [[phab:T355555|shared in the task]]. * Developers who use the <code dir=ltr>mw.Api</code> JavaScript library, can now identify the tool using it with the <code dir=ltr>userAgent</code> parameter: <code dir=ltr>var api = new mw.Api( { userAgent: 'GadgetNameHere/1.0.1' } );</code>. If you maintain a gadget or user script, please set a user agent, because it helps with library and server maintenance and with differentiating between legitimate and illegitimate traffic. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373874][https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Wikimedia_Foundation_User-Agent_Policy] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.22|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28443127 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-14 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Chilembwe uprising]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Chilembwe supporters being led to be executed (cropped).jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Chilembwe uprising''' was a rebellion against British colonial rule in Nyasaland (modern-day Malawi) which took place in January 1915. It was led by John Chilembwe, an American-educated Baptist minister. Based around his church in the village of Mbombwe in the south-east of the colony, the leaders of the revolt were mainly from an emerging black middle class. They were motivated by grievances against the British colonial system, which included forced labour, racial discrimination and new demands imposed on the African population following the outbreak of World War I. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:52, 31 March 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28454663 --> == Tech News: 2025-14 == <section begin="technews-2025-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/14|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Editing team is working on a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit Check|Edit check]]: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check#26 March 2025|Peacock check]]. This check's goal is to identify non-neutral terms while a user is editing a wikipage, so that they can be informed that their edit should perhaps be changed before they publish it. This project is at the early stages, and the team is looking for communities' input: [[phab:T389445|in this Phabricator task]], they are gathering on-wiki policies, templates used to tag non-neutral articles, and the terms (jargon and keywords) used in edit summaries for the languages they are currently researching. You can participate by editing the table on Phabricator, commenting on the task, or directly messaging [[m:user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3|Single User Login]] has now been updated on all wikis to move login and account creation to a central domain. This makes user login compatible with browser restrictions on cross-domain cookies, which have prevented users of some browsers from staying logged in. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:35}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:35|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting on March 31st, the MediaWiki Interfaces team will begin a limited release of generated OpenAPI specs and a SwaggerUI-based sandbox experience for [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API|MediaWiki REST APIs]]. They invite developers from a limited group of non-English Wikipedia communities (Arabic, German, French, Hebrew, Interlingua, Dutch, Chinese) to review the documentation and experiment with the sandbox in their preferred language. In addition to these specific Wikipedia projects, the sandbox and OpenAPI spec will be available on the [[testwiki:Special:RestSandbox|on the test wiki REST Sandbox special page]] for developers with English as their preferred language. During the preview period, the MediaWiki Interfaces Team also invites developers to [[mw:MediaWiki Interfaces Team/Feature Feedback/REST Sandbox|share feedback about your experience]]. The preview will last for approximately 2 weeks, after which the sandbox and OpenAPI specs will be made available across all wiki projects. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.23|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Sometimes a small, [[gerrit:c/operations/cookbooks/+/1129184|one line code change]] can have great significance: in this case, it means that for the first time in years we're able to run all of the stack serving <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[http://maps.wikimedia.org/ maps.wikimedia.org]</bdi> - a host dedicated to serving our wikis and their multi-lingual maps needs - from a single core datacenter, something we test every time we perform a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|datacenter switchover]]. This is important because it means that in case one of our datacenters is affected by a catastrophe, we'll still be able to serve the site. This change is the result of [[phab:T216826|extensive work]] by two developers on porting the last component of the maps stack over to [[w:en:Kubernetes|kubernetes]], where we can allocate resources more efficiently than before, thus we're able to withstand more traffic in a single datacenter. This work involved a lot of complicated steps because this software, and the software libraries it uses, required many long overdue upgrades. This type of work makes the Wikimedia infrastructure more sustainable. '''Meetings and events''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Workshop Spring 2025|MediaWiki Users and Developers Workshop Spring 2025]] is happening in Sandusky, USA, and online, from 14–16 May 2025. The workshop will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users. Registration and presentation signup is now available at the workshop's website. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:06, 1 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28473566 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-15 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:1930 Bago earthquake]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:my:၁၉၃၀ ပဲခူးငလျင်]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Thiao Mueang Phama (1955, p. 165).jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> An earthquake affected Myanmar on 5 May 1930 with a moment magnitude (Mw ) 7.4. The shock occurred 35 km (22 mi) beneath the surface with a maximum Rossi–Forel intensity of IX (Devastating tremor). The earthquake was the result of rupture along a 131 km (81 mi) segment of the Sagaing Fault—a major strike-slip fault that runs through the country. Extensive damage was reported in the southern part of the country, particularly in Bago and Yangon, where buildings collapsed and fires erupted. At least 550, and possibly up to 7,000 people were killed. A moderate tsunami struck the Burmese coast which caused minor damage to ships and a port. It was felt for over 570,000 km2 (220,000 sq mi) and as far as Shan State and Thailand. The mainshock was followed by many aftershocks; several were damaging. The December earthquake was similarly sized which also occurred along the Sagaing Fault. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28454663 --> == Tech News: 2025-15 == <section begin="technews-2025-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/15|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * From now on, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Interface administrators|interface admins]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Central notice administrators|centralnotice admins]] are technically required to enable [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] before they can use their privileges. In the future this might be expanded to more groups with advanced user-rights. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150898] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The Design System Team is preparing to release the next major version of Codex (v2.0.0) on April 29. Editors and developers who use CSS from Codex should see the [[mw:Codex/Release Timeline/2.0|2.0 overview documentation]], which includes guidance related to a few of the breaking changes such as <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">font-size</code>, <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">line-height</code>, and <code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">size-icon</code>. * The results of the [[mw:Developer Satisfaction Survey/2025|Developer Satisfaction Survey (2025)]]  are now available. Thank you to all participants. These results help the Foundation decide what to work on next and to review what they recently worked on. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.24|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]] will take place in Istanbul, Turkey, between 2–4 May. Registration for attending the in-person event will close on 13 April. Before registering, please note the potential need for a [https://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkish-representations.en.mfa visa] or [https://www.mfa.gov.tr/visa-information-for-foreigners.en.mfa e-visa] to enter the country. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28507470 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-16 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Museum of Zoology of the University of São Paulo]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Museu de Zoologia da Universidade de São Paulo]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Museu de Zoologia da USP 02.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Museum of Zoology of the University of São Paulo''' (Portuguese: Museu de Zoologia da Universidade de São Paulo, abbreviated MZUSP) is a public natural history museum located in the historic Ipiranga district of São Paulo, Brazil. The MZUSP is an educational and research institution that is part of the University of São Paulo. The museum began at the end of the 19th century as part of the Museu Paulista; in 1941, it moved into a dedicated building. In 1969 the museum became a part of the University of São Paulo, receiving its current name. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28454663 --> == Tech News: 2025-16 == <section begin="technews-2025-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Later this week, the default thumbnail size will be increased from 220px to 250px. This changes how pages are shown in all wikis and has been requested by some communities for many years, but wasn't previously possible due to technical limitations. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355914] * File thumbnails are now stored in discrete sizes. If a page specifies a thumbnail size that's not among the standard sizes (20, 40, 60, 120, 250, 330, 500, 960), then MediaWiki will pick the closest larger thumbnail size but will tell the browser to downscale it to the requested size. In these cases, nothing will change visually but users might load slightly larger images. If it doesn't matter which thumbnail size is used in a page, please pick one of the standard sizes to avoid the extra in-browser down-scaling step. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Images#Thumbnail_sizes][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355914] '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikimedia Foundation are working on a system called [[m:Edge Uniques|Edge Uniques]] which will enable [[:w:en:A/B testing|A/B testing]], help protect against [[:w:en:Denial-of-service attack|Distributed denial-of-service attacks]] (DDoS attacks), and make it easier to understand how many visitors the Wikimedia sites have. This is so that they can more efficiently build tools which help readers, and make it easier for readers to find what they are looking for. * To improve security for users, a small percentage of logins will now require that the account owner input a one-time password [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:EmailAuth|emailed to their account]]. It is recommended that you [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-email|check]] that the email address on your account is set correctly, and that it has been confirmed, and that you have an email set for this purpose. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390662] * "Are you interested in taking a short survey to improve tools used for reviewing or reverting edits on your Wiki?" This question will be [[phab:T389401|asked at 7 wikis starting next week]], on Recent Changes and Watchlist pages. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools|Moderator Tools team]] wants to know more about activities that involve looking at new edits made to your Wikimedia project, and determining whether they adhere to your project's policies. * On April 15, the full Wikidata graph will no longer be supported on <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[https://query.wikidata.org/ query.wikidata.org]</bdi>. After this date, scholarly articles will be available through <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr" style="white-space:nowrap;">[https://query-scholarly.wikidata.org/ query-scholarly.wikidata.org]</bdi>, while the rest of the data hosted on Wikidata will be available through the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">[https://query.wikidata.org/ query.wikidata.org]</bdi> endpoint. This is part of the scheduled split of the Wikidata Graph, which was [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/September 2024 scaling update|announced in September 2024]]. More information is [[d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split|available on Wikidata]]. * The latest quarterly [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Newsletter/First quarter of 2025|Wikimedia Apps Newsletter]] is now available. It covers updates, experiments, and improvements made to the Wikipedia mobile apps. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Technical Community Newsletter/2025/April|Technical Community Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: an invitation for tool maintainers to attend the Toolforge UI Community Feedback Session on April 15th; recent community metrics; and recent technical blog posts. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.25|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:25, 15 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28540654 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-17 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Fear of crime]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:ar:الخوف من الجريمة]])&#32;([[:it:Criminofobia]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Fear of crime''' refers to the fear of being a victim of crime, which is not necessarily reflective of the actual probability of being such a victim. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28559524 --> == Tech News: 2025-17 == <section begin="technews-2025-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/17|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] is now integrated with [[w:dag:Solɔɣu|Dagbani Wikipedia]] since April 15. It is the first project that will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in articles. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template. [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2025-04-16] * A new type of lint error has been created: [[Special:LintErrors/empty-heading|{{int:linter-category-empty-heading}}]] ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Lint errors/empty-heading|documentation]]). The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Linter|Linter extension]]'s purpose is to identify wikitext patterns that must or can be fixed in pages and provide some guidance about what the problems are with those patterns and how to fix them. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T368722] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:37}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:37|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Following its publication on HuggingFace, the "Structured Contents" dataset, developed by Wikimedia Enterprise, is [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/kaggle-dataset/ now also available on Kaggle]. This Beta initiative is focused on making Wikimedia data more machine-readable for high-volume reusers. They are releasing this beta version in a location that open dataset communities already use, in order to seek feedback, to help improve the product for a future wider release. You can read more about the overall [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/structured-contents-snapshot-api/#open-datasets Structured Contents project], and about the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/structured-contents-wikipedia-infobox/ first release that's freely usable]. * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''Meetings and events''' * The Editing and Machine Learning Teams invite interested volunteers to a video meeting to discuss [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]], which is the latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check|Edit check]] that will detect "peacock" or "overly-promotional" or "non-neutral" language whilst an editor is typing. Editors who work with newcomers, or help to fix this kind of writing, or are interested in how we use artificial intelligence in our projects are encouraged to attend. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Editing team/Community Conversations#Next Conversation|meeting will be on April 28, 2025]] at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1745863200 18:00–19:00 UTC] and hosted on Zoom. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28578245 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-18 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Heritage preservation in South Korea]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Korean.Dance-03.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The heritage preservation system of South Korea is a multi-level program aiming to preserve and cultivate Korean cultural heritage. The program is administered by the Cultural Heritage Administration (CHA), and the legal framework is provided by the Cultural Heritage Protection Act of 1962, last updated in 2012. The program started in 1962 and has gradually been extended and upgraded since then. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28583422 --> == Tech News: 2025-18 == <section begin="technews-2025-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/18|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Event organizers who host collaborative activities on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#Global Deployment Plan|multiple wikis]], including Bengali, Japanese, and Korean Wikipedias, will have access to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] this week. Also, admins in the Wikipedia where the extension is enabled will automatically be granted the event organizer right soon. They won't have to manually grant themselves the right before they can manage events as [[phab:T386861|requested by a community]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:19}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:19|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The release of the next major version of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]], the design system for Wikimedia, is scheduled for 29 April 2025. Technical editors will have access to the release by the week of 5 May 2025. This update will include a number of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Release_Timeline/2.0#Breaking_changes|breaking changes]] and minor [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Release_Timeline/2.0#Visual_changes|visual changes]]. Instructions on handling the breaking and visual changes are documented on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Release Timeline/2.0#|this page]]. Pre-release testing is reported in [[phab:T386298|T386298]], with post-release issues tracked in [[phab:T392379|T392379]] and [[phab:T392390|T392390]]. * Users of [[wikitech:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Wiki_Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will notice that the database views of <code dir="ltr">ipblocks</code>, <code dir="ltr">ipblocks_ipindex</code>, and <code dir="ltr">ipblocks_compat</code> are [[phab:T390767|now deprecated]]. Users can query the <code dir="ltr">[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block_table|block]]</code> and <code dir="ltr">[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block_target_table|block_target]]</code> new views that mirror the new tables in the production database instead. The deprecated views will be removed entirely from Wiki Replicas in June, 2025. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.27|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/April|Language and Internationalization Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes an overview of the improved [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&campaign=contributionsmenu&to=es&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en#/ Content Translation Dashboard Tool], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/April#Language Support for New and Existing Languages|support for new languages]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/April#Wiki Loves Ramadan Articles Made In Content Translation Mobile Workflow|highlights from the Wiki Loves Ramadan campaign]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Languages Onboarding Experiment 2024 - Executive Summary|results from the Language Onboarding Experiment]], an analysis of topic diversity in articles, and information on upcoming community meetings and events. '''Meetings and events''' * The [[Special:MyLanguage/Grants:Knowledge_Sharing/Connect/Calendar|Let's Connect Learning Clinic]] will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1745937000 April 29 at 14:30 UTC]. This edition will focus on "Understanding and Navigating Conflict in Wikimedia Projects". You can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Learning Clinic %E2%80%93 Understanding and Navigating Conflict in Wikimedia Projects (Part_1)|register now]] to attend. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]], which brings the global technical community together to connect, brainstorm, and hack existing projects, will take place from May 2 to 4th, 2025, at Istanbul, Turkey. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28585685 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-19 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lhamana]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:We-Wa, a Zuni berdache, weaving - NARA - 523796 (cropped).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Lhamana''', in traditional Zuni culture, are biologically male people who take on the social and ceremonial roles usually performed by women in their culture, at least some of the time. They wear a mixture of women's and men's clothing and much of their work is in the areas usually occupied by Zuni women. Some contemporary lhamana participate in the pan-Indian two-spirit community. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 07:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28583422 --> == Tech News: 2025-19 == <section begin="technews-2025-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/19|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Wikimedia Foundation has shared the latest draft update to their [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|annual plan]] for next year (July 2025–June 2026). This includes an [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|executive summary]] (also on [[diffblog:2025/04/25/sharing-the-wikimedia-foundations-2025-2026-draft-annual-plan/|Diff]]), details about the three main [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals|goals]] ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product & Technology OKRs|Infrastructure]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Volunteer Support|Volunteer Support]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Effectiveness|Effectiveness]]), [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Global Trends|global trends]], and the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Budget Overview|budget]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Financial Model|financial model]]. Feedback and questions are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|talk page]] until the end of May. '''Updates for editors''' * For wikis that have the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|CampaignEvents extension enabled]], two new feature improvements have been released: ** Admins can now choose which namespaces are permitted for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] via [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]] ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Registration/Permitted namespaces|documentation]]). The default setup is for event registration to be permitted in the Event namespace, but other namespaces (such as the project namespace or WikiProject namespace) can now be added. With this change, communities like WikiProjects can now more easily use Event Registration for their collaborative activities. ** Editors can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Transclusion|transclude]] the Collaboration List on a wiki page ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Collaboration list/Transclusion|documentation]]). The Collaboration List is an automated list of events and WikiProjects on the wikis, accessed via {{#special:AllEvents}} ([[w:en:Special:AllEvents|example]]). Now, the Collaboration List can be added to all sorts of wiki pages, such as: a wiki mainpage, a WikiProject page, an affiliate page, an event page, or even a user page. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Developers who use the <code dir=ltr>moment</code> library in gadgets and user scripts should revise their code to use alternatives like the <code dir=ltr>Intl</code> library or the new <code dir=ltr>mediawiki.DateFormatter</code> library. The <code dir=ltr>moment</code> library has been deprecated and will begin to log messages in the developer console. You can see a global search for current uses, and [[phab:T392532|ask related questions in this Phabricator task]]. * Developers who maintain a tool that queries the Wikidata term store tables (<code dir=ltr style="white-space: nowrap;">wbt_*</code>) need to update their code to connect to a separate database cluster. These tables are being split into a separate database cluster. Tools that query those tables via the wiki replicas must be adapted to connect to the new cluster instead. [[wikitech:News/2025 Wikidata term store database split|Documentation and related links are available]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390954] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.28|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|Chart Project newsletter]] is available. It includes updates on preparing to expand the deployment to additional wikis as soon as this week (starting May 6) and scaling up over the following weeks, plus exploring filtering and transforming source data. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28665011 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-20 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Gruppo del Sileno]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Parco3.JPG|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Sileno ed Egle con Mnasilo e Cromi''', meglio noto come Gruppo del Sileno, è un monumento in marmo di Carrara, realizzato da Jean-Baptiste Boudard nel 1765 per il Giardino Ducale di Parma; sostituito nel 1991 con una copia in polvere di marmo e resina, l'originale si trova provvisoriamente nel chiostro della Fontana del monastero di San Paolo, in attesa della definitiva collocazione prevista all'interno del palazzetto Eucherio Sanvitale nel parco Ducale. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:28, 12 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28709947 --> == Tech News: 2025-20 == <section begin="technews-2025-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/20|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|"Get shortened URL"]] link on the sidebar now includes a [[phab:T393309|QR code]]. Wikimedia site users can now use it by scanning or downloading it to quickly share and access shared content from Wikimedia sites, conveniently. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikimedia Foundation is working on a system called [[m:Edge Uniques|Edge Uniques]], which will enable [[w:en:A/B testing|A/B testing]], help protect against [[w:en:Denial-of-service attack|distributed denial-of-service attacks]] (DDoS attacks), and make it easier to understand how many visitors the Wikimedia sites have. This is to help more efficiently build tools which help readers, and make it easier for readers to find what they are looking for. Tech News has [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/16|previously written about this]]. The deployment will be gradual. Some might see the Edge Uniques cookie the week of 19 May. You can discuss this on the [[m:Talk:Edge Uniques|talk page]]. * Starting May 19, 2025, Event organisers in wikis with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] enabled can use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] in the project namespace (e.g., Wikipedia namespace, Wikidata namespace). With this change, communities don't need admins to use the feature. However, wikis that don't want this change can remove and add the permitted namespaces at [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/CampaignEvents]]. * The Wikipedia project now has a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q36720|Nupe]] ([[w:nup:|<code>w:nup:</code>]]). This is a language primarily spoken in the North Central region of Nigeria. Speakers of this language are invited to contribute to [[w:nup:Tatacin feregi|new Wikipedia]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Developers can now access pre-parsed Dutch Wikipedia, amongst others (English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese) through the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/docs/snapshot/#structured-contents-snapshot-bundle-info-beta Structured Contents snapshots (beta)]. The content includes parsed Wikipedia abstracts, descriptions, main images, infoboxes, article sections, and references. * The <code dir="ltr">/page/data-parsoid</code> REST API endpoint is no longer in use and will be deprecated. It is [[phab:T393557|scheduled to be turned off]] on June 7, 2025. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.1|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/2025_Cloud_VPS_VXLAN_IPv6_migration IPv6 support] is a newly introduced Cloud virtual network that significantly boosts Wikimedia platforms' scalability, security, and readiness for the future. If you are a technical contributor eager to learn more, check out [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2025/05/06/wikimedia-cloud-vps-ipv6-support/ this blog post] for an in-depth look at the journey to IPv6. '''Meetings and events''' * The 2nd edition of 2025 of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Afrika Baraza|Afrika Baraza]], a virtual platform for African Wikimedians to connect, will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1747328400 May 15 at 17:00 UTC]. This edition will focus on discussions regarding [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|Wikimedia Annual planning and progress]]. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/MENA Connect Community Call|MENA Connect Community Call]], a virtual meeting for [[w:en:Middle East and North Africa|MENA]] Wikimedians to connect, will take place on [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1747501200 May 17 at 17:00 UTC]. You can [[m:Event:MENA Connect (Wiki_Diwan) APP Call|register now]] to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:38, 12 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28714188 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-21 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lorrin A. Thurston]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fi:Lorrin Thurston]])&#32;([[:ko:로린 A. 서스턴]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lorrinandrewsthurston1892.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Lorrin Andrews Thurston''' (July 31, 1858 – May 11, 1931) was a Hawaiian citizen lawyer, politician, and businessman. Thurston played a prominent role in the revolution that overthrew the Hawaiian Kingdom to replace Queen Liliʻuokalani with the Republic of Hawaii, with discreet US support for which Congress much later apologized. He published the Pacific Commercial Advertiser (a forerunner of the present-day Honolulu Star-Advertiser), and owned other enterprises. From 1906 to 1916, he and his network lobbied with national politicians to create a national park to preserve the Hawaiian volcanoes. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:33, 19 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28731710 --> == Tech News: 2025-21 == <section begin="technews-2025-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test. '''Updates for editors''' * From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]]. * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121] * Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]]. * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template. * Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121] * The <code dir=ltr>mw.title</code> object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named <code dir=ltr>isDisambiguationPage</code>. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with <code dir=ltr>mw.loader.load</code>. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">gitlab.wikimedia.org</bdi> without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W21"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28724712 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-22 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Lamiera bugnata]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Tread plate]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Diamond Plate.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Una '''lamiera bugnata''' o mandorlata è una lamiera di metallo ottenuta dalla laminazione di una bramma attraverso rulli che, tramite punzonatura o goffratura, imprimono sulla lamina rilievi a forma di rombo o ellisse, detti bugne. Nel caso questi rilievi siano alternati singolarmente nei due assi, si parla di lamiera diamantata, mentre se le forme sono predisposte in maniera parallela per formare piccoli quadranti tra di loro tangenti, questo pattern viene identificato con il nome di mandorlato. We tend to ignore the fact that this type of plate is the only reason we don't slip when we walk on steel and wet or frozen surfaces. The Italian article it's short but quite complete, and has just the right amount of citations, unlike other poor languages' versions. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 06:03, 26 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28751788 --> == Tech News: 2025-22 == <section begin="technews-2025-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. '''Updates for editors''' * Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new <code>+</code> toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June. * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]</code> parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019] * This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future. * Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]]. * Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The previously deprecated <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]</code> views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]</code> and <code dir=ltr>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]</code> views instead. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28788673 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-23 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Angelo azzurro (cocktail)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Ángel azul (cóctel)]])&#32;([[:fr:Ange bleu (cocktail)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Angelo Azzurro Cocktail.png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> L''''angelo azzurro''' è un cocktail alcolico italiano. È considerato uno dei cocktail più popolari in Italia negli anni novanta, insieme al B-52 e all'Invisibile. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 05:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-23 == <section begin="technews-2025-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/23|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Editors can use this new extension to create interactive data visualizations like bar, line, area, and pie charts. Charts are designed to replace many of the uses of the legacy [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|Graph extension]]. '''Updates for editors''' * It is now easier to configure automatic citations for your wiki within the visual editor's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|citation generator]]. Administrators can now set a default template by using the <code dir=ltr>_default</code> key in the local <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json]]</bdi> page ([[mw:Special:Diff/6969653/7646386|example diff]]). Setting this default will also help to future-proof your existing configurations when [[phab:T347823|new item types]] are added in the future. You can still set templates for individual item types as they will be preferred to the default template. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384709] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting the week of June 2, bots logging in using <code dir=ltr>action=login</code> or <code dir=ltr>action=clientlogin</code> will fail more often. This is because of stronger protections against suspicious logins. Bots using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Bot passwords|bot passwords]] or using a loginless authentication method such as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/Owner-only consumers|OAuth]] are not affected. If your bot is not using one of those, you should update it; using <code dir=ltr>action=login</code> without a bot password was deprecated [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3EEMN7VQX5G7WMQI5K2GP5JC2336DPTD/|in 2016]]. For most bots, this only requires changing what password the bot uses. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395205] * From this week, Wikimedia wikis will allow ES2017 features in JavaScript code for official code, gadgets, and user scripts. The most visible feature of ES2017 is <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code>async</code>/<code>await</code></bdi> syntax, allowing for easier-to-read code. Until this week, the platform only allowed up to ES2016, and a few months before that, up to ES2015. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381537] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.4|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * Scholarship applications to participate in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/GLAM Wiki 2025|GLAM Wiki Conference 2025]] are now open. The conference will take place from 30 October to 1 November, in Lisbon, Portugal. GLAM contributors who lack the means to support their participation can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/GLAM Wiki 2025/Scholarships|apply here]]. Scholarship applications close on June 7th. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28819186 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-24 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:fi:Kotiryssä]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Kotiryssä]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''kotiryssä''' (jocular Finnish: one’s home Russky or home Russian) was a Soviet or Russian contact person of a Finnish politician, bureaucrat, businessman or other important person. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-24 == <section begin="technews-2025-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/24|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product|Trust and Safety Product team]] is finalizing work needed to roll out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] on large Wikipedias later this month. The team has worked with stewards and other users with extended rights to predict and address many use cases that may arise on larger wikis, so that community members can continue to effectively moderate and patrol temporary accounts. This will be the second of three phases of deployment – the last one will take place in September at the earliest. For more information about the recent developments on the project, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|see this update]]. If you have any comments or questions, write on the [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|talk page]], and [[m:Event:CEE Catch up Nr. 10 (June 2025)|join a CEE Catch Up]] this Tuesday. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist expiry|watchlist expiry]] feature allows editors to watch pages for a limited period of time. After that period, the page is automatically removed from your watchlist. Starting this week, you can set a preference for the default period of time to watch pages. The [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist-pageswatchlist|preferences]] also allow you to set different default watch periods for editing existing pages, pages you create, and when using rollback. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265716] [[File:Talk pages default look (April 2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] ("{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}"). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121] * Users with specific extended rights (including administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, and stewards) can now have IP addresses of all temporary accounts [[phab:T358853|revealed automatically]] during time-limited periods where they need to combat high-speed account-hopping vandalism. This feature was requested by stewards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386492] * This week, the Moderator Tools and Machine Learning teams will continue the rollout of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], releasing it to several more Wikipedias. This filter utilizes the Revert Risk model, which was created by the Research team, to highlight edits that are likely to be reverted and help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic contributions. The feature will be rolled out to the following Wikipedias: {{int:project-localized-name-afwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-simplewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}. The rollout will continue in the coming weeks to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|the rest of the Wikipedias in this project]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391964] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * AbuseFilter editors active on Meta-Wiki and large Wikipedias are kindly asked to update AbuseFilter to make it compatible with temporary accounts. A link to the instructions and the private lists of filters needing verification are [[phab:T369611|available on Phabricator]]. * Lua modules now have access to the name of a page's associated thumbnail image, and on [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/+/2e4ab14aa15bb95568f9c07dd777065901eb2126/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#10849 some wikis] to the WikiProject assessment information. This is possible using two new properties on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#added-by-extensions|mw.title objects]], named <code dir=ltr>pageImage</code> and <code dir=ltr>pageAssessments</code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131911][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380122] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.5|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/24|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W24"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:17, 10 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28846858 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-25 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Future self]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pl:Przyszła jaźń]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In the psychology of self, the '''future self''' concerns the processes and consequences associated with thinking about oneself in the future. People think about their future selves similarly to how they think about other people. The extent to which people feel psychologically connected (e.g., similarity, closeness) to their future self influences how well they treat their future self. When people feel connected to their future self, they are more likely to save for retirement, make healthy decisions, and avoid ethical transgressions. Interventions that increase feelings of connectedness with future selves can improve future-oriented decision making across these domains. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-25 == <section begin="technews-2025-W25"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/25|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * You can [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/359761?lang=en nominate your favorite tools] for the sixth edition of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|Coolest Tool Award]]. Nominations are anonymous and will be open until June 25. You can re-use the survey to nominate multiple tools. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:33}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:33|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.6|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Foundation staff and technical volunteers use Wikimedia APIs to build the tools, applications, features, and integrations that enhance user experiences. Over the coming years, the MediaWiki Interfaces team will be investing in Wikimedia web (HTTP) APIs to better serve technical volunteer needs and protect Wikimedia infrastructure from potential abuse. You can [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2025/06/12/apis-as-a-product-investing-in-the-current-and-next-generation-of-technical-contributors/ read more about their plans to evolve the APIs in this Techblog post]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/25|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W25"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:39, 16 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28870688 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-26 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pictorial map]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fa:نقشه تصویری]])&#32;([[:ja:絵地図]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Blake Britain Spearhead of Attack.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pictorial maps''' (also known as illustrated maps, panoramic maps, perspective maps, bird's-eye view maps, and geopictorial maps) depict a given territory with a more artistic rather than technical style. It is a type of map in contrast to road map, atlas, or topographic map. The cartography can be a sophisticated 3-D perspective landscape or a simple map graphic enlivened with illustrations of buildings, people and animals. They can feature all sorts of varied topics like historical events, legendary figures or local agricultural products and cover anything from an entire continent to a college campus. Drawn by specialized artists and illustrators, pictorial maps are a rich, centuries-old tradition and a diverse art form that ranges from cartoon maps on restaurant placemats to treasured art prints in museums. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-26 == <section begin="technews-2025-W26"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/26|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * This week, the Moderator Tools and Machine Learning teams will continue the rollout of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], releasing it to the third and last batch of Wikipedias. This filter utilizes the Revert Risk model, which was created by the Research team, to highlight edits that are likely to be reverted and help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic contributions. The feature will be rolled out to the following Wikipedias: {{int:project-localized-name-azwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-lawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-mrwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-pawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-swwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-tlwiki/en}}. The rollout will continue in the coming weeks to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|the rest of the Wikipedias in this project]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391964] '''Updates for editors''' * Last week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] were rolled out on Czech, Korean, and Turkish Wikipedias. This and next week, deployments on larger Wikipedias will follow. [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|Share your thoughts]] about the project. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T340001] * Later this week, the Editing team will release [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Multi check|Multi Check]] to all Wikipedias (except English Wikipedia). This feature shows multiple [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Reference check|Reference checks]] within the editing experience. This encourages users to add citations when they add multiple new paragraphs to a Wikipedia article. This feature was previously available as an A/B test. [https://analytics.wikimedia.org/published/reports/editing/multi_check_ab_test_report_final.html#summary-of-results The test shows] that users who are shown multiple checks are 1.3 times more likely to add a reference to their edit, and their edit is less likely to be reverted (-34.7%). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395519] * A few pages need to be renamed due to software updates and to match more recent Unicode standards. All of these changes are related to title-casing changes. Approximately 71 pages and 3 files will be renamed, across 15 wikis; the complete list is in [[phab:T396903|the task]]. The developers will rename these pages next week, and they will fix redirects and embedded file links a few minutes later via a system settings update. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:24}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:24|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that had caused pages to scroll upwards when text near the top was selected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T364023] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Editors can now use Lua modules to filter and transform tabular data for use with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Extension:Chart]]. This can be used for things like selecting a subset of rows or columns from the source data, converting between units, statistical processing, and many other useful transformations. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Transforms|Information on how to use transforms is available]]. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates] * The <code dir=ltr>all_links</code> variable in [[Special:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] is now renamed to <code dir=ltr>new_links</code> for consistency with other variables. Old usages will still continue to work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391811] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.7|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Newsletters/34|Growth newsletter]] is available. It includes: the recent updates for the "Add a Link" Task, two new Newcomer Engagement Features, and updates to Community Configuration. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/26|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W26"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:21, 23 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28870688 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-27 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Queen Elizabeth University Hospital]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:QEUH.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Queen Elizabeth University Hospital''' (QEUH) is a 1,677-bed acute hospital located in Govan, in the south-west of Glasgow, Scotland. The hospital is built on the site of the former Southern General Hospital and opened at the end of April 2015. The hospital comprises a 1,109-bed adult hospital, a 256-bed children's hospital and two major Emergency Departments; one for adults and one for children. There is also an Immediate Assessment Unit for local GPs and out-of-hours services, to send patients directly, without having to be processed through the Emergency Department. The retained buildings from the former Southern General Hospital include the Maternity Unit, the Institute of Neurological Sciences, the Langlands Unit for medicine of the elderly and the laboratory. The whole facility is operated by NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, and is one of the largest acute hospital campuses in Europe. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:05, 30 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-27 == <section begin="technews-2025-W27"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/27|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] has been enabled on all Wikipedias. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. The extension has three features: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Campaigns/Foundation Product Team/Invitation list|Invitation List]]. To request the extension for your wiki, visit the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status#How to Request the CampaignEvents Extension for your wiki|Deployment information page]]. '''Updates for editors''' * AbuseFilter maintainers can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:IPReputation/AbuseFilter variables|match against IP reputation data]] in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilters]]. IP reputation data is information about the proxies and VPNs associated with the user's IP address. This data is not shown publicly and is not generated for actions performed by registered accounts. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354599] * Hidden content that is within [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Collapsible elements|collapsible parts of wikipages]] will now be revealed when someone searches the page using the web browser's "Find in page" function (Ctrl+F or ⌘F) in supporting browsers. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T327893][https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Global_attributes/hidden#browser_compatibility] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] A new feature, called [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateData/Template discovery|Favourite Templates]], will be deployed later this week on all projects (except English Wikipedia, which will receive the feature next week), following a piloting phase on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and Italian and English Wikisource. The feature will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, by allowing users to put templates on a special "favourite list". The feature works with both the visual editor and the wikitext editor. The feature is a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|community wishlist focus area]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that had caused some Notifications to be sent multiple times. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T397103] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.8|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/27|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W27"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28917415 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-28 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Non-constituency Member of Parliament]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''Non-constituency Member of Parliament''' (NCMP) is a member of an opposition political party in Singapore who, as stipulated in Article 39 of the Constitution and the Parliamentary Elections Act, is declared to have been elected a Member of Parliament (MP) without constituency representation, despite having lost in a general election, by virtue of having been one of the opposition candidates with the highest vote shares among the unelected. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28788623 --> == Tech News: 2025-28 == <section begin="technews-2025-W28"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/28|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Temporary accounts|Temporary accounts]] have been rolled out on 18 large and medium-sized Wikipedias, including German, Japanese, French, and Chinese. Now, about 1/3 of all logged-out activity across wikis is coming from temporary accounts. Users involved in patrolling may be interested in two new documentation pages: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Access to IP|Access to IP]], explaining everything related to access to temporary account IP addresses, and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Repository|Repository]] with a list of new gadgets and user scripts. '''Updates for editors''' * Anyone can play an experimental new game, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/New Engagement Experiments/WikiRun|WikiRun]], that lets you race through Wikipedia by clicking from one article to another, aiming to reach a target page in as few steps and in as little time as possible. The project's goal is to explore new ways of engaging readers. [https://wikirun-game.toolforge.org/ Try playing the game] and let the team know what you think [[mw:Talk:New Engagement Experiments/WikiRun|on the talk page]]. * Users of the Wikipedia Android app in some languages can now play the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|trivia game]]. ''Which came first?'' is a simple history game where you guess which of two events happened earlier on today's date. It was previously available as an A/B test. It is now available to all users in English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Arabic, Turkish, and Chinese. The goal of the feature is to help engage with new generations of readers. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22] * Users of the iOS Wikipedia App in some languages may see a new tabbed browsing feature that enables you to open multiple tabs while reading. This feature makes it easier to explore related topics and switch between articles. The A/B test is currently running in Arabic, English, and Japanese in selected regions. More details are available on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Tabbed Browsing (Tabs)|Tabbed Browsing project page]]. * Bureaucrats on Wikimedia wikis can now use [[{{#special:VerifyOATHForUser}}]] to check if users have enabled [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265726] * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] A new feature related to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|Template Recall and Discovery]] will be deployed later this week to all Wikimedia projects: a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateData/Template discovery#Template categories|template category browser]] will be introduced to assist users in finding templates to put in their “favourite” list. The browser will allow users to browse a list of templates which have been organised into a given category tree. The feature has been requested by the community [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Wishes/Select templates by categories|through the Community Wishlist]]. * It is now possible to access watchlist preferences from the watchlist page. Also the redundant button to edit the watchlist has been removed. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Moderator_Tools/Watchlist] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As part of [[mw:MediaWiki_1.44|MediaWiki 1.44]] there is now a unified built-in Notifications system that makes it easier for developers to send, manage, and customize notifications. Check out the updated documentation at [[mw:Manual:Notifications|Manual:Notifications]], information about migration in [[phab:T388663|T388663]] and details on deprecated hooks in [[phab:T389624|T389624]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.9|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:WikidataCon 2025|WikidataCon 2025]], the conference dedicated to Wikidata is now open for [https://pretalx.com/wikidatacon-2025/cfp session proposals] and for [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1340|registration]]. This year's event will be held online from October 31 – November 02 and will explore on the theme of "Connecting People through Linked Open Data". '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/28|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W28"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28930584 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-29 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Immunolabeling]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Immunolabeling process image.png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Immunolabeling''' is a biochemical process that enables the detection and localization of an antigen to a particular site within a cell, tissue, or organ. Antigens are organic molecules, usually proteins, capable of binding to an antibody. These antigens can be visualized using a combination of antigen-specific antibody as well as a means of detection, called a tag, that is covalently linked to the antibody <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> ---[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 13:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28945528 --> == Tech News: 2025-29 == <section begin="technews-2025-W29"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/29|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateData/Template discovery#Featured templates|Featured templates]], a new feature related to [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Template recall and discovery|Template Recall and Discovery]] will be deployed this week to all Wikimedia projects: With this feature, editors will be able to quickly access a list of templates that are likely to be useful. These templates will be displayed in a list, under the "featured" tab of the template discovery interface. Administrators can define the list via the Community Configuration interface. The feature fulfills a request by the community [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Wishes/Easy access Templates|through the Community Wishlist]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T367428][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392896] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the request to add Malayalam fonts in the [[oldWikisource:Special:MyLanguage/Wikisource:WS Export|Wikisource Book Export Tool]] was resolved and now, the rendering of Malayalam letters in exported Wikisource books are accurate. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374457] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.10|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Developers, designers, and all Wikimedians are invited to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/7953/ submit a project idea] for the Wikimania Hackathon 2025. Read [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2025/06/30/call-for-projects-wikimania-hackathon-2025-is-coming-to-nairobi/ this Diff blog post] for more details. '''Meetings and events''' * [[m:WikiIndaba conference 2025|WikiIndaba 2025]] scholarship application and program submission is open until 23:59 GMT on July 20. WikiIndaba is a regional conference for African Wikimedians both on the continent and in the diaspora to unite and grow together. Submit [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdJTv68R1OPASXXDfpIl8EWiMLTM-TDwh6_5gNVvFuWccFZ2Q/viewform your scholarship application] and [https://ee.kobotoolbox.org/x/BI3omIfH program proposal] now! * [https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCon_Brasil_2025 WikiCon Brasil 2025] will take place on July 19-20 in Salvador, Bahia, Brazil. The Brazilian community members are encouraged to register and attend! '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/29|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W29"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=28980963 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-30 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Vespa analis]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Plumpy hornet on the ground - 1.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Vespa analis''''', the yellow-vented hornet, is a species of common hornet found in Southeast Asia <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:28, 21 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=28984647 --> == Tech News: 2025-30 == <section begin="technews-2025-W30"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/30|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Translation Suggestions feature in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation|Content Translation tool]] now has another level of article filters added to the "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ContentTranslation&filter-type=automatic&filter-id=previous-edits&active-list=suggestions&from=en&to=fi#/ ... More]" category. Translators who use the Suggestions feature can now select and receive article suggestions that are customized to geographical locations of their interest using the new "{{int:Cx-sx-suggestions-filters-tab-regions}}" filter. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113257] * Administrators can now limit "Add a Link" to newcomers. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|"Add a Link"]] Structured Task [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Growth/Constructive activation experimentation#Enwiki A/B test & "Add a Link" Improvements (Wiki Experiences 1.2.11 & 1.2.16)|helps new account holders start editing]], but some communities have requested the ability to restrict it to its intended audience: newcomers. Administrators can configure this setting within the [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/GrowthSuggestedEdits|Community Configuration]] feature. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * For AbuseFilter editors on [[phab:T392144|some wikis]], it is now possible to filter edits based on the RevertRisk score of the edit being attempted. It is only populated if the action being evaluated is an edit. For more information, please see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ORES/AbuseFilter variables#What variables are available for use|ORES/AbuseFilter variables]] documentation. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Beta Cluster|Beta Cluster]] wikis have [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/YDABPV75LADRQCXMJAFWUP256N4EQ25B/|been moved]] from <code dir=ltr>beta.wmflabs.org</code> to <code dir=ltr>beta.wmcloud.org</code>. Users may need to update URLs in any tools, or in their password managers. Any related issues can be [[phab:T289318|reported in the task]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.11|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WikiCite 2025|WikiCite 2025]] will take place from 29–31 August, both online and in-person in Bern, Switzerland. The event's goals are to reconnect communities, institutions, and individuals working with open citations, bibliographic data, and the Wikidata/Wikibase ecosystem. Registration is open and the call for proposals will be announced soon. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KQZUG3ETKLBWPBYSB2YAWZIRPWHS24TG/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/30|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W30"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29005283 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-31 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Fernando de Noronha Marine National Park]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:pt:Parque Nacional Marinho de Fernando de Noronha]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Baía dos Porcos - Fernando de Noronha (32811749914).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Fernando de Noronha Marine National Park''' (Portuguese: Parque Nacional Marinho de Fernando de Noronha) is a national park in the state of Pernambuco, Brazil. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29047614 --> == Tech News: 2025-31 == <section begin="technews-2025-W31"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/31|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Community Tech team will be focusing on wishes related to Watchlists and Recent Changes pages, over the next few months. They are looking for feedback. Please [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates#July 24, 2025: Watchlists and Recent Changes pages|read the latest update]], and if you have ideas, please [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist|submit a wish]] on the topic. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikimedia Commons community has decided to block [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Upload dialog|cross-wiki uploads]] to Wikimedia Commons, for all users without autoconfirmed rights on that wiki, starting on August 16. This is because of [[:c:Commons:Cross-wiki media upload tool/History|widespread problems]] related to files that are uploaded by newcomers. Users who are affected by this will get an error message with a link to the less restrictive UploadWizard on Commons. Please help translating the [[:c:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed-cross-wiki-upload|message]] or give feedback on the message text. Please also update your local help pages to explain this restriction. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T370598] * On wikis with temporary accounts enabled and Meta-Wiki, administrators may now set up a footer for the Special:Contributions pages of temporary accounts, similar to those which can be shown on IP and user-account pages. They may do it by creating the page named <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-temp</code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398347] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.12|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Wikimania|Wikimania 2025]] will run from August 6–9. The [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/schedule/ program is available] for you to plan which sessions you want to attend. Most sessions will be live-streamed, with exceptions for those that show the "no camera" icon. If you are joining online to watch live-streams and use the interactive features, please [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Registration|register]] for a free virtual ticket. For example, you may be interested in technical sessions such as: ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/KFEFVG/ Temporary Accounts: Enhancing privacy for our unregistered editors] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/TVCVAB/ Building a Sustainable Future for Wikimedia Contributors] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/WTRQCJ/ A dozen visions for wikitext!] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/8YKKP9/ Coordinate Across Stakeholders with the Product and Technology Advisory Council] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2025|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference, Fall 2025]] will be held 28–30 October 2025 in Hanover, Germany. This event is organized by and for the third-party MediaWiki community. You can propose sessions and register to attend. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/31|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W31"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:27, 29 July 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29051727 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-32 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Xie Zhiliu]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Xie Zhiliu''' (Chinese: 谢稚柳; 1910–1997) was a leading traditional painter, calligrapher, and art connoisseur of modern China. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:21, 4 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29077280 --> == Tech News: 2025-32 == <section begin="technews-2025-W32"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/32|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors can now enable the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/User Info|User Info card]]. This feature adds an icon next to usernames on history pages and similar user-contribution log pages. When you tap or click on the icon, it displays data related to that user account such as the number of edits, reverted edits, blocks, and more. It's part of a broader project to make it easier for moderators to evaluate account trustworthiness. The feature can be enabled in [[testwiki:Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|your global preferences]], and later this week it will be available in local preferences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386439] * Everybody is invited to share comments on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaborative contributions|Collaborative Contributions]], a project recently launched by the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Connection Team|Connection team]]. The project aims to create a new way to display the impact of collaborative editing activities (such as edit-a-thons, backlog drives, and WikiProjects) on the wikis. Post your comments on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents/Collaborative contributions|project talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378035] * Administrators can now define the default block duration for temporary accounts. To do that, they need to create a page named <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Ipb-default-expiry-temporary-account</code> and use a value defined in <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Ipboptions</code>. This allows administrators to easily block temporary accounts for 90 days, which is functionally equivalent to an indefinite block. The advantage of this solution is that it does not clutter Special:BlockList. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block and unblock#Default block duration options|More documentation]] is available. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398626] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Gadgets can now include <code dir=ltr>.vue</code> files. This makes it easier to develop modern user interfaces using [[mw:Vue.js|Vue.js]], in particular using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex|Codex]], the official design system of Wikimedia. [[wmdoc:codex/latest/icons/overview.html|Codex icons]] can be loaded through the gadget definition. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Gadgets#Pages|The documentation]] has examples. For user scripts that use Vue.js, an [[mw:API:CodexIcons|API module]] now exists to load Codex icons. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T340460][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311099] * Module developers can now use a [[mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Message Bundles/Lua reference|Lua interface]] to simplify the preparation of Lua modules for translation on Meta-Wiki. This improvement makes it easier for translators to find and edit module strings without dealing with raw Lua code. It helps prevent mistakes that could break the module during translation. Module developers and translators are invited to [[commons:File:Translatable modules video demo July 2025.webm|watch the demo video]], read more about [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Translatable modules|translatable modules]] to understand how it works, refer to Meta-Wiki's [[m:Module:User Wikimedia project|Module:User Wikimedia project]] for example usage, and [[mw:Talk:Translatable modules|share their feedback]] on how well it addresses the challenges in their workflow. The interface still has some performance issues, so it should not be used in widely used modules yet. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359918] * Developers of external tools that connect to Wikimedia pages must set a user-agent that complies with [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Wikimedia Foundation User-Agent Policy|the user-agent policy]]. This policy will start to be more strongly enforced in August because of external crawlers that are [[diffblog:2025/04/01/how-crawlers-impact-the-operations-of-the-wikimedia-projects/|overusing]] Wikimedia's resources. Tools that are hosted on Wikimedia's Toolforge or Cloud VPS will not be affected by this for now, but should still set a user-agent. [[phab:T400119|More technical details are available]], and related questions are welcome in that task. * Parsoid Read Views is going to be rolling out to some smaller Wikipedias over the next few weeks, following the successful transition of Wikivoyages and Wiktionaries to Parsoid Read Views. For more information, see the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification|Parsoid/Parser Unification]] project page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/7694/] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.13|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Wikimania|Wikimania 2025]] will run from August 6–9. The [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/schedule/ program is available] for you to plan which sessions you want to attend. Most sessions will be live-streamed, with exceptions for those that show the "no camera" icon. If you are joining online to watch live-streams and use the interactive features, please [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2025:Registration|register]] for a free virtual ticket. For example, you may be interested in technical sessions such as: ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/GEH9DH/ Wikimedia’s knowledge infrastructure in a changing internet: Establishing sustainable pathways for content reuse] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/7ELN9Q/ Wikifunctions is coming soon to a wiki near you!] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/ZMGVJV/ Shaping the Future of Wikipedia’s Reader Experience] ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/KCKTFZ/ Making Wikipedia More Readable: What Comes Next] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/32|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W32"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 03:41, 5 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29083927 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-33 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lethocerus patruelis]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lethocerus patruelis.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Lethocerus patruelis''''' is a giant water bug in the family Belostomatidae. It is native to southeastern Europe, through Southwest Asia, to Pakistan, India and Burma. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:20, 11 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29085671 --> == Tech News: 2025-33 == <section begin="technews-2025-W33"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/33|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The WikiEditor toolbar now includes [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:WikiEditor#Keyboard shortcuts|its keyboard shortcuts]] in the tooltips for its buttons. This will help to improve the discoverability of this feature. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400583] * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] published a set of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/August 2025 draft PTAC proposals for feedback|proposed experiments]] the Wikimedia Foundation can try to improve communication with community. Feedback on the proposals are welcomed until August 22 on [[m:Talk:Product and Technology Advisory Council/August 2025 draft PTAC proposals for feedback|this talk page]]. * The search bar on the Minerva skin (mobile) has been updated to use the same type-ahead search component that is used on the Vector 2022 skin. There are no changes in search functionality but there are minor visual changes. Specifically, the close-search button has been changed from an "X" to a back arrow. This helps to distinguish it from the other "X" button that is used to clear any text. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393944] * Editors on some wikis will see a new toggle for "Group results by page" on watchlist, related changes, and recent changes pages. This is [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Watchlist/Experiment|an A/B experiment]] that is planned to start on August 11, and will run for 3–6 weeks on the Bengali, Chinese, Czech, French, Greek, Portuguese, and Urdu Wikipedias. The experiment will examine how making this feature more discoverable might affect editors' ability to find the edits they are looking for. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396789] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The multiwiki datasets of [[:wikt:en:Module:Unicode data|Unicode data]] have been moved to [[c:Category:Unicode Module Datasets|Category:Unicode Module Datasets]] on Wikimedia Commons, to follow the idea of "One common data source, multiple local wikis". Most wikis have been updated to use the Commons version. You can ask questions at [[c:Category talk:Unicode Module Datasets|the talkpage]]. [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module_talk:Unicode_data#Data_from_commons] * Lua code can add warnings when something is wrong, by using the <code dir=ltr>mw.addWarning()</code> function. It is now possible to add more than one warning, instead of new warnings replacing old ones. If you maintain a Lua module that used warnings, you should check it still works as expected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398390] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.14|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/33|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W33"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:30, 11 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29106516 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-34 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Ikiza]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:CIA map of Burundi and surrounding countries during 1972 killings.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Ikiza''' (variously translated from Kirundi as the Catastrophe, the Great Calamity, and the Scourge), or the Ubwicanyi (Killings), was a series of mass killings—often characterised as a genocide—which were committed in Burundi in 1972 by the Tutsi-dominated army and government, primarily against educated and elite Hutus who lived in the country. Conservative estimates place the death toll of the event between 100,000 and 150,000 killed, while some estimates of the death toll go as high as 300,000. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:43, 18 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29115447 --> == Tech News: 2025-34 == <section begin="technews-2025-W34"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/34|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Later this week, people who are logged-in and have the "[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary|Discussion tools]]" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|Beta Feature]] enabled will gain the ability to "Thank" individual comments directly from talk pages, rather than needing to navigate to page history. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary#Comment actions|Learn more about this feature]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400849] * An A/B test comparing two versions of the desktop donate link launched on testwiki on 12 August and on English Wikipedia 14 August for 0.1% of logged out users on the desktop site. The experiment will run for three weeks, ending on 12 September. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395716] * An A/A test to measure the baseline for reader retention was launched 12 August using [[wikitech:Experimentation Lab|Experimentation Lab]]. This measures the percentage of users who revisit a wiki after their initial visit over a 14-day period. No visual changes are expected. The experiment will run through 31 August. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399227] * Five new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource/en}} in [[d:Q34057|Tagalog]] ([[s:tl:|<code>s:tl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T388639] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource/en}} in [[d:Q36213|Madurese]] ([[s:mad:|<code>s:mad:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391747] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia/en}} in [[d:Q3450749|Rakhine]] ([[w:rki:|<code>w:rki:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392490] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikibooks/en}} in [[d:Q13324|Minangkabau]] ([[b:min:|<code>b:min:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395452] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary/en}} in [[d:Q7598268|Standard Moroccan Amazigh]] ([[wikt:zgh:|<code>wikt:zgh:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399684] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:46}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:46|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.15|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/34|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W34"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:39, 19 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29127690 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-35 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Corallite]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Recent azooxanthellate Scleractinia (Cnidaria, Anthozoa) - ZooKeys-227-001-g004.jpeg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''corallite''' is the skeletal cup, formed by an individual stony coral polyp, in which the polyp sits and into which it can retract. The cup is composed of aragonite, a crystalline form of calcium carbonate, and is secreted by the polyp. Corallites vary in size, but in most colonial corals they are less than 3 mm (0.12 in) in diameter. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29115447 --> == Tech News: 2025-35 == <section begin="technews-2025-W35"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/35|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Template authors can now use additional CSS properties, since the CSS sanitizer used by [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:TemplateStyles|TemplateStyles]] was updated. For example: <code>width: fit-content</code>; <code>ruby-align</code>; relative units such as <code>lh</code>; and custom strings in <code>list-style-type</code>. These improvements are a [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Wishes/Allow use of modern CSS in templates by updating the TemplateStyles CSS sanitizer|Community Wishlist wish]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271958][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277755][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T293633][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T295088][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T326906][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T340057][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360725][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371809][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375344][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T394619] * On large wikis, the default time period to display edits from, within the Special:RecentChanges page, has been changed from 7 days to 1 day. This is part of a performance improvement project. This should have no user-facing impact due to the quantity of edits on these wikis. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399455] * Administrators can now access the [[{{#special:BlockedExternalDomains}}]] page from the [[{{#special:CommunityConfiguration}}]] list page. This makes it easier to find. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393240] * Wikimedia Commons videos were not shown in the Videos tab in Google Search. The problem was investigated and reported to Google who have now fixed the issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396168][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Do_something_about_Google_%26_DuckDuckGo_search_not_indexing_media_files_and_categories_on_Commons] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wiktionary/en}} in [[d:Q33014|Betawi]] ([[wikt:bew:|<code>wikt:bew:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402130] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:39}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:39|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Two fields of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Recentchanges table|recentchanges database table]] are being removed. <code>rc_new</code> and <code>rc_type</code> are being removed in favor of <code>rc_source</code>. Queries to these older fields will start to fail starting this week and developers should use <code>rc_source</code> instead. These older fields were deprecated over 10 years ago and should not be in use. This is part of work to improve the performance and stability of queries to the recentchanges table. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400696] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.16|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The latest quarterly [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Newsletter/2025/July|Language and Internationalization Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: support for new languages in MediaWiki and translatewiki; the start of the Language Onboarding and Development project to help support the growth of new and small wikis; updates on research projects; and more. '''Meetings and events''' * The next [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Language and Product Localization/Community meetings#29 August 2025|Language Community Meeting]] is happening soon, August 29th at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1756479600 15:00 UTC]. This week's meeting will cover: the Avro keyboard developers from Wikimedia Bangladesh, who were recently awarded a national award for their contributions to this keyboard; and other topics. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/35|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W35"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 00:13, 26 August 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29175124 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-36 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Diksam Plateau]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Dixam plateau (6407168437).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Diksam Plateau''' or Dixam Plateau (Arabic: دكسم) is a limestone plateau in Socotra, Yemen. The Firmihin forest, located east of the Dirhur canyon within the plateau, has the highest concentration of Dragon's Blood Trees on the entire island. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:40, 1 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29195081 --> == Tech News: 2025-36 == <section begin="technews-2025-W36"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/36|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Editing team wants to compile a list of templates, jargon terms, and policies used in edit summaries when a copyright violation is removed. This will help them identify the number of edits reverted due to copyright issues. We invite community members from the following Wikis to list these terms in [[Phab:T402601|T402601]], or to share their list with [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek_(WMF)]]: {{int:project-localized-name-arwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-dewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-enwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-eswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-fawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-frwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-idwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-itwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-jawiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kowiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-nlwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-plwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ptwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-ukwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-viwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-zhwiki/en}}. This project is open until September 9th 2025. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] has been enabled for all Wikisources. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. The extension has three features: [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaboration list|Collaboration List]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Connection Team/Invitation list|Invitation List]]. To request the extension for your wiki, visit the Deployment information page. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#How_to_Request_the_CampaignEvents_Extension_for_your_wiki] * The lists in the footer of the editing interface, such as "Templates used on this page," will now be organized into columns when there is enough space. This enhancement minimizes scrolling when editing lengthy articles on Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401066] * On September 3rd, 2025 we will increase the sampling percentages of our [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Watchlist/Experiment#Scope of the experiment|group by toggle experiment]] of the <code>Special:RecentChanges</code>, <code>Special:Watchlist</code>, and <code>Special:RelatedChanges</code> pages on the Chinese, French, and Portuguese Wikipedias to 100 percent, allowing more editors to be part of this experiment. This adjustment is intended to ensure we have sufficient data to make informed decisions when evaluating the experiment results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402958][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396789] * Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading on English Wikipedia beginning the week of September 22. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. All non-English wikis received this change in June and July. The goal is to make it easier for users to find articles. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:37}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:37|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.17|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Wikifunctions now has a new capability called "lightweight enumeration types", an enumeration type is simply a fixed set of values that's in the type's definition. This capability makes it quick and easy to define such a type, and allows for the reuse of values that are already present in Wikidata. Here is [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-07-19|a newsletter]] to learn more. * The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Newsletter updates#August 2025: Newsletter #1|Readers Newsletter]] is now available. This edition includes: the formation of two new teams — Reader Growth and Reader Experience; insights into declining pageviews and account creations; highlights from the Wikimania Nairobi panel on improving the reading experience; upcoming experiments to engage new and existing readers; and more. '''Meetings and events''' * Spotlight on some Wikimania 2025 Sessions: ** Identifying AI-generated text by searching for ISBNs whose checksums fail: Mathias Schindler of WMDE [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw9o8Lsl974&t=15910s shared tools to help communities search for these]. ** [https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/TCHZKH/ La durabilité du mouvement Wikimedia face aux défis actuels et futurs]: This session explored how Wikimedia can stay a trusted source of knowledge in the age of generative AI, information overload, and disinformation. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/36|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W36"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29196010 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-37 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Ttongsul]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:ja:トンスル]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Ttongsul (imitation).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''ttongsul''' (똥술), o vino di feci, è una tradizionale preparazione medicinale coreana con gradazione alcolica al 9% a base di feci, solitamente umane e preferibilmente di bambino. Nato probabilmente traendo spunto dalla medicina tradizionale cinese, nelle credenze popolari il vino di feci avrebbe proprietà benefiche per molti tipi di malesseri: sarebbe un rimedio per dolori muscolari, ustioni, infiammazioni, epilessia e fratture ossee. Sebbene alcuni media occidentali abbiano in passato riportato che questa bevanda sia diffusa tra la popolazione coreana, al giorno d'oggi un numero molto limitato di persone ne fa uso, dopo aver subito un declino di popolarità nei secoli scorsi, tanto che la maggioranza dei giovani coreani non ne ha mai sentito parlare. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:28, 8 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29195081 --> == Tech News: 2025-37 == <section begin="technews-2025-W37"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/37|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Editing team is working on a new check: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Paste check|Paste check]]. This check informs newcomers who paste text into Wikipedia that the content might not be accepted. This check is an effort to increase the likelihood that the new content people are adding to Wikipedia is aligned with the Movement's commitment to offering information under a free content license. This check will soon be tested at a few wikis. If your community is interested in this test, please [[phab:T403680|tell us in this task]], or [[mw:Talk:Edit check|contact the team]]. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] Later this week, users of the "{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] will be able to use a [[w:en:Lint (software)|linting tool]] to see errors or other potential problems in wikitext in real time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Linting|help page for more information]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381577] * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] When browsing a wiki (like <code dir=ltr>en.wikipedia.org</code>), the software responds in one of two ways: a desktop page, or a redirect to a mobile version on an "m" domain (like <code dir=ltr>en.m.wikipedia.org</code>). Over the next three weeks, MediaWiki will start displaying the mobile version to mobile devices directly on the standard domain, without this redirect. This change does not affect existing m-dot URLs, or the "Desktop view" opt-out. [[mw:Requests for comment/Mobile domain sunsetting/2025 Announcement|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214998] * When an edit changes the categories of a page, the changes to the category membership counts are now happening asynchronously. This improves the speed of saving edits, especially when moving many pages to or from the same category, and reduces the risk of site outages, but it means that the counts can show outdated information for a few minutes. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365303] * Edits on Wikidata to qualifiers (properties and values) and references (properties and values) in a Wikidata item statement will now not add entries to the RecentChanges or Watchlist pages on all other Wikis. This is a temporary change to improve performance while other solutions are created. Wikidata's own pages remain unchanged. [[m:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects/Reduce change propagation noise#Phase 1: Turn off (temporarily) Qualifiers and References Wikidata edits to the Recent Changes tables|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401286][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400698] * Japanese-language wikis have had a major upgrade to the way that search works. The new search should generally give more accurate and more relevant search results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T318269] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.18|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/37|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W37"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 01:15, 9 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29238161 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-38 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pak Kum-chol]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Pak Kum-chol in 1961 (cropped).jpg|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pak Kum-chol''' was a North Korean politician. Having been a guerrilla during the anti-Japanese struggle, he became a high-ranking politician after the liberation of Korea. Pak aligned himself with his former guerrilla brothers in arms from the Kapsan Operation Committee to form a faction within the ruling Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) called the "Kapsan faction". This faction sought to replace Kim Il Sung with Pak. Kim retaliated by purging the faction in 1967 in what is known as the Kapsan faction incident. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:18, 15 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29249252 --> == Tech News: 2025-38 == <section begin="technews-2025-W38"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/38|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * References lists that are made using the <code dir=ltr><nowiki><references/></nowiki></code> [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Cite#references-tag|tag]] will now automatically display with columns in Vector 2022 when readers are using its 'standard' settings for text-size and page-width. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334941] * Starting in the week of October 6, on [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/small.dblist|small wikis]] and [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/medium.dblist|medium wikis]] that have the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] enabled, all autoconfirmed users will be able to use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] as an organizer. No changes will be made for [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/large.dblist|large wikis]] unless requested in Phabricator. This change is being made to make it easier for more people to use Event Registration, especially on wikis that are less likely to have policies related to the Event Organizer right. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Proposal to grant autoconfirmed users on small and medium wikis the organizer access to the event registration tool|Learn more]]. * Users that search using regular expressions (regex) can now use additional features including: ** for the <code dir=ltr>intitle:</code> keyword: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#Metacharacters|metacharacters]] for start-of-line (<code dir=ltr>^</code>) and end-of-line (<code dir=ltr>$</code>) anchors [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T317599] ** for both <code dir=ltr>intitle:</code> and <code dir=ltr>insource:</code> keywords: shorthand [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#Character_Classes|character classes]] for digits (<code dir=ltr>\d</code>), whitespace (<code dir=ltr>\s</code>), and word characters (<code dir=ltr>\w</code>); and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#Escape codes|escape codes]] for line feed (<code dir=ltr>\r</code>), newline (<code dir=ltr>\n</code>), tab (<code dir=ltr>\t</code>), and unicode (e.g. <code dir=ltr>\uHHHH</code>). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403212] * When you search for text that looks like an IP, the system will now show search results. It used to take you to the contributions for that IP instead of showing search results. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306325] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on September 24. This is planned at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1758726000 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests which happen twice a year. You can [[diffblog:2025/03/12/hear-that-the-wikis-go-silent-twice-a-year/|read more about the background and details of this process on the Diff blog]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:24}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:24|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug was fixed that affected users who used the page-tabs to switch from wikitext editing of a section into the visualeditor. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401043] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The MediaWiki Interfaces team is redesigning the Wikimedia REST API Sandbox with Codex. If you have feedback on improvements for the API documentation or what makes developer experiences smooth (or frustrating), you’re invited to [https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/appointments/schedules/AcZssZ2aZzbXeQvjOF7gB1fJXiwAYemQjKf4sXNaRODPA7_obFyNBwkzNkoVCoTF-aeov89kIjXHbCQm join an upcoming discovery interview], or [[mw:MediaWiki Interfaces Team/Developer Feedback/Wikimedia Web APIs|leave feedback onwiki]]. [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/C4FBAOA57PH6G5ORVMAUF5TGYBLZDU5Q/|Learn more]]. * Edits to Wikidata aliases (an alternative name for an item or a property) will now be shown in RecentChanges and Watchlist entries on other wikis less often, reducing unnecessary notifications. This will reduce the overall quantity of 'noisy' entries. Wikidata's own pages remain unchanged. [[m:Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects/Reduce change propagation noise#Phase 1: More granular Alias tracking|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401288] * The new [https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode17.0.0/ Unicode 17.0] version has been released. The [[:c:Category:Unicode Module Datasets|datasets on Commons]] for the [[:d:Q39301585|Module:Unicode data]] have been updated. Wikipedias that do not use the Commons datasets should either update their own data or switch to the Commons datasets. * Users of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]] Structured Contents endpoints can now access [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/parsed-wikipedia-tables/ Parsed Tables]. The new Parsed Tables feature extracts and represents Wikipedia tables in structured JSON. This improves machine accessibility as part of the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/api/structured-contents/ Structured Contents initiative]. Structured Contents output is freely available through the [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/docs/on-demand/#article-structured-contents-beta On-demand API], or through Wikimedia Cloud Services. * A [https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/wikimedia-foundation/english-wikipedia-people-dataset dataset of English Wikipedia biographical information] from [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise|Wikimedia Enterprise]] has been published on Kaggle, for evaluation and research. This provides structured data from more than 1.5 million biographies, including birth and death dates, education, affiliations, careers, awards, and more (from a June 2024 snapshot). * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.19|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * [[wmania:Special:MyLanguage/2026:Scholarships|Scholarship applications]] for Wikimania 2026 in Paris, France, are open until October 31. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/38|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W38"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:08, 15 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29263921 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-39 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Federation of Central America (1921–1922)]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Federación de Centro América (1921-1922)]])&#32;([[:ar:اتحاد أمريكا الوسطى (1921-1922)]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Central America's Northern Triangle (orthographic projection).png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Federation of Central America''' (Spanish: Federación de Centro América)[1] was a short-lived federal republic that existed in Central America between 1921 and 1922. The federation consisted of the Central American nations of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29311347 --> == Tech News: 2025-39 == <section begin="technews-2025-W39"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/39|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1758726000 On September 24th at 15:00 UTC], all Wikimedia sites users will experience a brief read-only period due to a scheduled [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|datacenter server switchover]]. The Wikimedia Foundation's Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) team will redirect all traffic from one primary server to its backup. You can listen to the switchover using the [http://listen.hatnote.com/ "Listen to Wikipedia"] tool, where you will hear edits stop for a few minutes during the read-only phase, then resume. This twice-yearly datacenter server switchover ensures reliability by testing the backup datacenter, so that our sites can stay online even if the primary datacenter fails. You can [[diffblog:2025/03/12/hear-that-the-wikis-go-silent-twice-a-year/|read more about the process on the Diff blog]]. '''Updates for editors''' * Editors of [[f:Special:Mylanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-09-12#Next round of Wiktionaries to receive embedded Wikifunctions calls|60 more Wiktionaries]] will soon be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them into their pages. A function takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, like adding numbers, converting miles to meters, calculating elapsed time, or declining a word into a case. They will join the other [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-08-29#Wikifunctions available on 65 Wiktionaries|65 Wiktionary language editions]], which already have access to embedded Wikifunctions calls. Later this year, plans are in place to expand to more Wiktionaries and the Incubator. * A new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#Technical metadata of another page|parser function]] has been added: <code><nowiki>{{#contentmodel}}</nowiki></code>. Template editors and admins can use it to get the localized or canonical name of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:ChangeContentModel|content model]] of a specific page. The function makes it easier to create and edit system messages, such as ''MediaWiki:editinginterface'', even when you switch types of pages, like wiki, JavaScript, CSS or JSON page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T328254] * Adding or editing a <code>DISPLAYTITLE</code> for an article using VisualEditor will no longer be broken. Editors who use VisualEditor mode to modify the <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> would no longer have the literal text "DISPLAYTITLE" or its localized variant added to their articles. A list of pages that may have been affected and might need cleanup is documented in [[phab:P83438|this ticket]]. * Beta users of the Wikipedia Android app can now try the redesigned [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/Activity Tab Experiment|Activity tab]], which replaces the Edits tab. The new tab offers personalized insights into reading, editing, and donation activity, while simplifying navigation and making app use more engaging. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:12}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:12|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.20|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * Wikifunctions users can now import many essential facts involving [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Z6011|geo-coordinates]], [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Z6010|quantities]] and [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Z6064|time]] values from Wikidata. This is made possible by the creation of Wikifunctions types for these values, which makes them available for use by functions in Wikifunctions. Learn more about how this works in [[c:File:ImportingWikidataDatatypesIntoWikifunctions.webm|this video]] and Wikifunctions' [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-08-01#News in Types I: Wikidata quantity|August 1 newsletter]] (for quantities) and [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2025-08-22#News in Types: Wikidata geo-coordinate|August 22 newsletter]] (for geo-coordinates). '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/39|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W39"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 22:56, 22 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29305556 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-40 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Palazzo delle Poste (Latina)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Postelittoria2.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''Palazzo delle Poste''', fino al 1945 Ricevitoria Postelegrafonica di Littoria, è un edificio postale di Latina, situato in piazzale dei Bonificatori. Costruito nel 1932 in stile razionalista con influenze futuriste, riscontrabili nell'utilizzo di ampie superfici vetrate e di volumi verticali, oltre che per la presenza di l’utilizzo di materiali e scelte di design molto in voga all'epoca come, come i mattoni a vista, il travertino di Tivoli e l'Anticorodal (una lega di alluminio), ospita l'ufficio postale Latina Centro. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 00:58, 29 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29341788 --> == Tech News: 2025-40 == <section begin="technews-2025-W40"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/40|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * A major software upgrade has been made to [[phab:|Phabricator]]. The update introduces performance improvements, a refreshed search interface, enhancements to Maniphest task search, updates to user profile pages and project workboards, new Herald automation features, as well as general text input, mobile experience improvements and more. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/post/view/321/iterative_improvements_september_2025/] '''Updates for editors''' * The Community Tech team will release the new Community Wishlist extension on October 1, that will improve the way wishes will be submitted. The new extension will allow users to add tags to their wishes to better categorise them, and (in a future iteration) to filter them by status, tags and focus areas. It will also be possible to support individual wishes again, as requested by the community in many instances. The old system will be retired. There will be a brief period of downtime while the extension is deployed and wishes are migrated to the new system. You can read more about this [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates|in the latest update]] or you can consult the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CommunityRequests|current documentation on MediaWiki]]. * As announced [[diffblog:2025/09/02/better-detecting-bots-and-replacing-our-captcha/|on Diff blog]], the production trial of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/hCaptcha|hCaptcha]] service for bot detection has begun. The trial is currently using hCaptcha to protect account creation on Chinese, Persian, Portuguese, Indonesian, Japanese, and Turkish Wikipedias, where it will replace our existing [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha|CAPTCHA]] (FancyCaptcha). The goal with the trial is to better block bots while also improving usability and accessibility for users who encounter CAPTCHA challenges. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents]] extension has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|deployed]] to Wikimedia Commons. The extension makes it easier to organize and participate in collaborative activities, like edit-a-thons and WikiProjects, on the wikis. On Commons, anyone who is a registered user can use it as an event participant. To use it as an organizer, someone needs to have the [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Event organizers|event organizer right]]. * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]], a new feature to re-use references with different details has been released to German Wikipedia. You can [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#test|test the feature]] on testwiki or [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmcloud.org/wiki/Sub-referencing on betawiki] as well. Please share your thoughts on [[:m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Templates used in sub-references|using templates in sub-references]] or [[:m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Pilot wikis|volunteer to become a pilot wiki]]. * On wikis using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Mentorship|Mentorship]] system, communities can now opt experienced editors out of Mentorship through [[{{#special:CommunityConfiguration/Mentorship}}]]. Within this setting, communities may define thresholds, based on edit count and account age, to decide when an editor is considered experienced enough to no longer receive Mentorship. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403563] * The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Tone Check|Tone check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Tone language model for the following languages: Arabic, Czech, German, Hebrew, Indonesian, Dutch, Polish, Russian, Turkish, Chinese, Farsi, Italian, Norwegian, Romanian and Latvian. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit_check/Tone_Check/Model_evaluation|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on October 3, which will be the start date of the test. * The rollout of [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|multiblocks]] had the side effect that non-active block logs may have been shown on {{#special:Contributions}} and on blocked users' user and user_talk pages. This issue will be fully resolved in a few days. As part of the fix, [{{fullurl:Special:Allmessages|prefix=sp-contributions-blocked-notice}} messages prefixed with <code>sp-contributions-blocked-notice</code>] will be removed and replaced with [{{fullurl:Special:Allmessages|prefix=blocked-notice-logextract}} those prefixed with <code>blocked-notice-logextract</code>] in a few weeks. Please help translate the new messages and update any local overrides if needed. * There was a bug with links added using visual editor if they included characters such as <code dir=ltr><nowiki>[ ] |</nowiki></code> after the fragment identifier (<code><nowiki>#</nowiki></code>). They were not encoded properly creating an incorrect link. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404823] * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikiquote/en}} in [[d:Q9237|Malay]] ([[q:ms:|<code>q:ms:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404698] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/User Info|User Info Card]] now displays currently active global lock/blocks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401128] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Later this week, editors using Lua modules will be able to use the <code>[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#mw.title.newBatch|mw.title.newBatch]]</code> function to look up the existence of up to 25 pages at once, in a way that only increases the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parser functions#Expensive parser functions|expensive function]] count once. * A new [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group|Unsupported Tools Working Group]] has been formed as part of ongoing efforts to collectively determine technical work priorities, similar to the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product & Technology Advisory Council]] (PTAC). The working group will help prioritize and review requests for support of unmaintained extensions, gadgets, bots, and tools. For the first cycle, the group will be prioritizing an unsupported Wikimedia Commons tool. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.21|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/40|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W40"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:54, 29 September 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29355230 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-41 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Majed Abu Maraheel]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Majed Abu Maraheel''' was a Palestinian long-distance runner, football player, security officer, and athletics coach, who was the first Palestinian to compete at the Olympic Games. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:48, 6 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29341788 --> == Tech News: 2025-41 == <section begin="technews-2025-W41"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/41|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#paste|Paste Check]] is a new Edit Check feature to help avoid and fight copyright violations. When editors paste text into an article, Paste Check prompts them to confirm the origin and licensing of the content. Starting Wednesday, 8 October, [[phab:T403680|22 wikis will test Paste Check]]. Paste Check will help new volunteers understand and follow the policies and guidelines necessary to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia projects. '''Updates for editors''' * Mobile devices will receive mobile articles directly on the standard domain (like <code>en.wikipedia.org</code>), instead of via a redirect to an "m" domain (like <code>en.m.wikipedia.org</code>). This change improves performance. This week it will be enabled on Wikipedias. The existing mobile URLs and the "Desktop view" opt-out remain available. [[mw:Requests for comment/Mobile domain sunsetting/2025 Announcement|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214998] * New [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:CirrusSearch#creationdate and lasteditdate|date filters]], <code dir=ltr>creationdate:</code> and <code dir=ltr>lasteditdate:</code>, are now available in the wiki search engine. This allows users to filter search results by a page's first or last revision date. The filters support comparison operators (e.g. <code dir=ltr>>2024</code>) and relative dates (e.g. <code dir=ltr>today-1d</code>), making it easier to find recently updated content or pages within specific age ranges. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403593] * [[f:|Wikifunctions]] now supports rich text in embedded calls across the 150 wikis where it's enabled. To showcase this, the team created a [[f:Z26333|Latin declination table]] that Wiktionary editors can use to automatically generate noun forms, producing clear, formatted results — see an [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded function calls/Wiktionary tables demonstration|example output]]. If you need any help or have any feedback, please [[f:Wikifunctions:Project chat|contact the Wikifunctions Team]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T397402] * An edit link will now appear inside the categories box on article pages for logged in users, which will directly launch the VisualEditor category dialog. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T291691] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:34}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:34|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a problem downloading pdf files last week and that has been resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405957] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The field <code dir=ltr>rev_sha1</code> in the revision database table is being removed in favor of <code dir=ltr>content_sha1</code> in the content database table. See [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/cloud@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/2D2M3SP4WHR6BXXKTZ2PBLZQYR3EGQVR/ the announcement] for more information. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web|Reader Experience team]] will roll out [[w:en:Light-on-dark color scheme|Dark Mode]] user interface on all Wikimedia sites on October 29, 2025. All anonymous users of Wikimedia sites will have the option to activate a color scheme that features light-colored text on a dark background. This is designed to provide a more comfortable reading experience, especially in low-light situations. Template authors and technical contributors are encouraged to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Updates/2024-04|learn how to make pages ready for Dark mode]] and address any compatibility issues found in templates in their wiki before the enablement. Please contact the Web team for questions or any support on [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading#|this talk page]] before the enablement. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395628] * Starting on Monday, October 6, API endpoints under the <code>rest.php</code> path will be rerouted through a new internal API Gateway. Individual wikis will be updated based on the standard release groups, with total traffic increased over time. This change is expected to be non-breaking and non-disruptive. If any issues are observed, please file a Phabricator ticket to the [[phab:tag/serviceops/|Service Ops team board]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400130] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.22|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/41|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W41"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:24, 6 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29400897 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-42 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Abortion in Eritrea]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> In Eritrea, abortion is banned except on the grounds of pregnancy from rape or incest, pregnancy of a minor, or risk to physical or mental health. Legal abortions require medical or judicial approval. Prior to Eritrea's independence, it applied Ethiopia's abortion law of the 1950s, which banned abortion unless life-saving. After independence, the 1991 penal code adapted this law to lift punishments on abortions on the grounds of rape, incest, or risk to life or health, but legal abortions did not exist in effect. The penal codes of 2001 and 2015 required physicians to prove health grounds for abortion. Unsafe abortion is common and contributes to maternal mortality in Eritrea. Post-abortion care is unavailable in some regions. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29341788 --> == Tech News: 2025-42 == <section begin="technews-2025-W42"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/42|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Last week, improvements to account security and two-factor authentication (2FA) features were enabled across all wikis. These changes include user interface improvements for [https://auth.wikimedia.org/metawiki/wiki/Special:AccountSecurity Special:AccountSecurity], the support of multiple 2FA methods via authenticator apps and portable security keys (previously users could only enable one method), and a new Recovery Codes module which facilitates fewer account lockouts due to lost two-factor apps and devices. As part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] project, work is continuing through the rest of 2025 on further user experience improvements, and support for passkeys as an alternate second factor. '''Updates for editors''' * Another part of the Account security project is making 2FA generally available to all users. Along with editors with advanced privileges, such as administrators and bureaucrats, 40% of editors now have access to 2FA. You can check if you have access at [https://auth.wikimedia.org/metawiki/wiki/Special:AccountSecurity Special:AccountSecurity]. Instructions for activation are on the linked page. The plan is to continue increasing availability if it is determined that the user support capabilities are able to support global usage. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T400579] * This week, users at wikis where talk page [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Usability|Usability Improvements]] are already available by default (everywhere ''except'' the 12 wikis listed in [[phab:T379264|T379264]]) will gain the ability to Thank a comment directly from the talk page it appears on. Before this change, Thanking could only be done by visiting the revision history of the talk page. You can [[diffblog:2025/10/13/revolutionizing-gratitude-a-new-era-of-thanking-comments/|learn more about this change]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366095] * Users who have not [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-email|verified their email address]] will soon be receiving monthly Notification reminders to do so. This is because users who have verified their email can more easily recover their account. These reminders will not be sent if the user is inactive or removes the unverified email from their account. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Email_confirmation][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58074] * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a fix was made for an occasional error with saving translated paragraphs in the Content Translation tool, and the related error messages are now easier to see. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T376531] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The Unsupported Tools Working Group has chosen [[c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons|Video2Commons]] as the first tool for its pilot cycle. The group will explore ways to improve and sustain the tool over the coming months. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group|Learn more on Meta]]. * [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.23|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/42|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W42"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:00, 13 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29434481 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-43 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Liberation of Auschwitz concentration camp]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Auschwitz Liberated January 1945.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz—a Nazi concentration camp and extermination camp in occupied Poland where more than a million people were murdered as part of the Nazis' "Final Solution" to the Jewish question—was liberated by the Soviet Red Army during the Vistula–Oder Offensive. Although most of the prisoners had been forced onto a death march, about 7,000 had been left behind. The Soviet soldiers attempted to help the survivors and were shocked at the scale of Nazi crimes. The date is recognized as International Holocaust Remembrance Day. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:04, 20 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29452019 --> == Tech News: 2025-43 == <section begin="technews-2025-W43"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/43|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * To optimize how user data is stored in our databases, the saved preferences of users who haven't logged in for over five years and have fewer than 100 edits will be cleared. When those users return, default settings will apply. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406724] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a broken link from the GlobalContributions interface message to the XTools GlobalContributions page which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406415] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The work to reroute all traffic to API endpoints under the <code dir=ltr><nowiki>rest.php</nowiki></code> route through a common API gateway is now complete. If any issues are observed, please file a phabricator ticket to the [[phab:tag/serviceops/|Service Ops team board]]. * Edits to Wikidata references or qualifiers will now be shown in RecentChanges and Watchlist entries on other wikis less often, reducing unnecessary notifications. This will reduce the overall quantity of 'noisy' entries. Wikidata's own pages remain unchanged. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401290] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.24|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/43|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W43"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29478670 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-44 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Black Diaries]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Black Diaries''' are diaries purported to have been written by the Irish revolutionary Roger Casement, which contained accounts of homosexual liaisons with young men. They cover the years 1903, 1910 and 1911 (two) and were handed in to Scotland Yard after his capture in April 1916. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29487357 --> == Tech News: 2025-44 == <section begin="technews-2025-W44"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/44|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikipedia iOS app has launched an A/B/C test of improvements made to the tabbed browsing feature for select regions and languages. The test, named “More dynamic tabs”, explores new tab experiences and includes “Did you know” and “Because you read” article recommendations. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Tabbed Browsing (Tabs)/New Tab Experience and Recommendations Experiment|read more on the project page]]. * Autoconfirmed users on [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/small.dblist|small]] and [[gitiles:operations/mediawiki-config/+/a2d2aaab9ace84280dd2f4c70a33bb69cd73850f/dblists/medium.dblist|medium wikis]] with the CampaignEvents extension can now use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] without the Event Organizer right. This feature lets organizers enable registration, manage participants, and lets users register with one click instead of signing event pages. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue of flashing colors when holding or pressing the arrow keys under the dark mode settings in Vector 2022 has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402285] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The CampaignEvents extension will be deployed to all remaining wikis during the week of 17 November 2025. The extension currently includes three features: Event Registration, Collaboration List, and Invitation List. For this rollout, Invitation List will not be enabled on Wikifunctions and MediaWiki unless requested by those communities. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|Visit the deployment page to learn more]]. * The SwaggerUI-based REST sandbox experience is now live on all wiki projects. The sandbox can be accessed through the [[{{#special:RestSandbox}}]] page. Please report any issues to the MediaWiki Interfaces team board, or join the discussion on the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Interfaces Team/Feature Feedback/REST Sandbox|project launch]] page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/6931/] * Transform endpoints with a trailing slash path in the MediaWiki REST API are now marked as deprecated. They will remain functional during this time, but removal is expected by the end of January 2026. All API users currently calling them are encouraged to transition to the non-trailing slash versions. Both endpoint variations can be found and tested using the [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?api=mw-extra&title=Special%3ARestSandbox REST Sandbox]. See the [[mw:API/Deprecation|MediaWiki REST API Deprecation]] page for more detailed information about the API deprecation policies and procedures. * A dedicated [[mw:API:REST API/Changelog|changelog now exists for the MediaWiki REST API]]. The changelog provides an overview of these changes, making it easier for developers to keep track of improvements and iterations. Announcements will also continue to flow through the standard communication channels, including Tech News and email distribution lists, but can now be more easily referenced from a central location. If you have feedback about the style, structure, or content of this changelog, please [[mw:API talk:REST API/Changelog|join the discussion]]. * Administrators can delete the tracking category which was previously added by the JsonConfig extension, as it is no longer used. See the categories linked from [[d:Q130635582#sitelinks-wikipedia|Q130635582]]. It is OK if there are still pages listed in the category as that is just a caching issue, and they will be automatically cleared out the next time each page is edited. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T378352] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.25|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/44|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W44"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29513638 --> |} == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-45 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Consolations (Liszt)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Franz Liszt - Consolation No. 3, Lento placido.ogg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Consolations''', S. 171a/172 (German: Tröstungen) are a set of six solo piano works by Franz Liszt. The compositions take the musical style of nocturnes with each having its own distinctive style. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:52, 3 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29558323 --> == Tech News: 2025-45 == <section begin="technews-2025-W45"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/45|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Administrators will now find that [[{{#special:MergeHistory}}]] is now significantly more flexible about what it can merge. It can now merge sections taken from the middle of the history of the source (rather than only the start) and insert revisions anywhere in the history of the destination page (rather than only the start). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382958] * For users with "{{int:discussiontools-preference-autotopicsub}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|enabled in their preferences]], starting a new topic or adding a reply to an existing topic will now subscribe them to replies to that topic. Previously, this would only happen if the DiscussionTools "{{int:Skin-action-addsection}}" or "{{int:Discussiontools-replybutton}}" widgets were used. When DiscussionTools was originally launched existing accounts were not opted in to automatic topic subscriptions, so this change should primarily affect newer accounts and users who have deliberately changed their preferences since that time. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T290778] * Scribunto modules can now be used to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#SVG library|generate SVG images]]. This can be used to build charts, graphics and other visualizations dynamically through Lua, reducing the need to compose them externally and upload them as files. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405861] * Wikimedia sites now provide all anonymous users with the option to enable a dark mode color scheme, featuring light-colored text on a dark background. This enhancement aims to deliver a more enjoyable reading experience, especially in dimly lit environments. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395628] * Users with large watchlists have long faced timeouts when editing [[Special:EditWatchlist|Special:EditWatchlist]]. The page now loads entries in smaller sections instead of all at once due to a paging update, allowing everyone to edit their watchlists smoothly. As part of the database update, sorting by expiry has been removed because it was over 100× slower than sorting by title. A [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/W454 community wish] has been created to explore alternative ways to restore sort-by-expiry. If this feature is important to you, please support the wish! [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T41510] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:31}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:31|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the fixing of the persisting highlighting when using VisualEditor find and replace during a query. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T407318] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Since 2019 the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia URL Shortener|Wikimedia URL Shortener]] at https://w.wiki is available for all Wikimedia wikis to create short links to articles, permalinks, diffs, etc. It is available in the sidebar as "Get shortened URL". There are 30 wikis that also install an older "ShortUrl" extension. The old extension will soon be removed. This means <code>/s/</code> URLs will not be advertised under article titles via HTML <code dir=ltr>class="title-shortlink"</code>. The <code>/s/</code> URLs will keep working. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107188] * On Thursday, October 30, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Interfaces Team|MediaWiki Interfaces]] and [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Site Reliability Engineering|SRE Service Operations]] teams began rerouting Action API traffic through a common API gateway. Individual wikis will be updated based on the standard release groups, with total traffic increased over time. This change is expected to be non-breaking and non-disruptive. If any issues are observed, please file a Phabricator ticket to the [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/serviceops/ Service Ops team] board. * MediaWiki Train deployments will pause for the final two weeks of 2025: 22 December and 29 December. Backport windows will also pause between Monday, 22 December 2025 and Thursday, 2 January 2026. A backport window is a scheduled time to add things like bug fixes and configuration changes. There are seven deployment trains remaining for 2025. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/SMWTEAES4SDLDUSK4HMWNBSKNCXZAWYN/] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.26|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * In 2025, the Wikimedia Foundation reported that AI systems and search engines increasingly use Wikipedia content without driving users to the site, contributing to an 8% drop in human pageviews compared to 2024. After detecting bots disguised as humans, Wikimedia updated its traffic data to reflect this shift. Read more about current user trends on Wikipedia in [[diffblog:2025/10/17/new-user-trends-on-wikipedia/|a Diff blog post]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/45|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W45"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:35, 3 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29552512 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-46 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Marine coastal ecosystem]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Vegetation and fauna processes controlling benthic biogeochemical fluxes.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''marine coastal ecosystem''' is a marine ecosystem which occurs where the land meets the ocean. Worldwide there is about 620,000 kilometres (390,000 mi) of coastline. Coastal habitats extend to the margins of the continental shelves, occupying about 7 percent of the ocean surface area. Marine coastal ecosystems include many very different types of marine habitats, each with their own characteristics and species composition. They are characterized by high levels of biodiversity and productivity. For example, estuaries are areas where freshwater rivers meet the saltwater of the ocean, creating an environment that is home to a wide variety of species, including fish, shellfish, and birds. Salt marshes are coastal wetlands which thrive on low-energy shorelines in temperate and high-latitude areas, populated with salt-tolerant plants such as cordgrass and marsh elder that provide important nursery areas for many species of fish and shellfish. Mangrove forests survive in the intertidal zones of tropical or subtropical coasts, populated by salt-tolerant trees that protect habitat for many marine species, including crabs, shrimp, and fish. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29584005 --> == Tech News: 2025-46 == <section begin="technews-2025-W46"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/46|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' [[File:Talk pages default look (April 2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]] * Starting November 12, users will see a change in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Talk pages project/Feature summary#Usability improvements|appearance of talk pages]] on [[Phab:T379264|some Wikipedias]]. Almost [[phab:T392121|all wikis]] have received this design change; [[phab:T409297|English Wikipedia]] will get these changes later. You can read more [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. Users can opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|in their user preferences]] in "{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}". [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T379264] * MediaWiki can now display a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Protection indicators|page indicator]] automatically while a page is protected. This feature is disabled by default. It can be enabled by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Requesting wiki configuration changes|community request]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T12347] * Using the "{{int:showpreview}}" or "{{int:showdiff}}" buttons in the wikitext editor will now carry over certain URL parameters like '[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parameters to index.php#useskin|useskin]]', '[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Parameters to index.php#uselang|uselang]]' and '[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Section#Editing sections|section]]'. This update also fixes an issue where, if the browser crashed while previewing an edit to a single section, saving this edit could overwrite the entire page with just that section’s content. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62744][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24029][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155097] * Wikivoyage wikis can use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Kartographer#Markers and counters|colored map markers in the article text]]. The text of these markers will now be shown in contrasting black or white color, instead of always being white. Local workarounds for the problem can be removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369454] * The Activity tab in the Wikipedia Android app is now available for all users. The new tab offers personalized insights into reading, editing, and donation activity, while simplifying navigation and making app use more engaging. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Activity_Tab_Experiment] * The Reader Growth team is launching an experiment called "Image browsing" to test how to make it easier for readers to browse and discover images on Wikipedia articles. This experiment, a mobile-only A/B test, will go live on English Wikipedia in the week of November 17 and will run for four weeks, affecting 0.05% of users on English wiki. The test launched on November 3 on Arabic, Chinese, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese wikis, affecting up to 10% of users on those wikis. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Reader_Growth/WE3.1.3_Image_Browsing] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example the inability to lock accounts on mobile sites has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256185] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[wikitech:Help talk:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee#November 2025 committee nominations|Nominations are open on Wikitech]] for new [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Toolforge standards committee|Toolforge standards committee]] members. The committee oversees the Toolforge [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Right to fork policy|Right to fork policy]] and [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Abandoned tool policy|Abandoned tool policy]] among other duties. Nominations will remain open through 2025-11-28. * The [[w:JSON Web Token#Standard fields|JWT issuer field]] in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#OAuth 2|OAuth 2 access tokens]] for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified login|SUL wikis]] has been changed to <code><nowiki>https://meta.wikimedia.org</nowiki></code>. Old access tokens will still work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399199] * The [[w:JSON Web Token#Standard fields|JWT subject field]] in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/OAuth/For Developers#OAuth 2|OAuth 2 access tokens]] will soon change from <code><user id></code> to <code dir=ltr style="white-space:nowrap">mw:<identity type>:<user id></code>, where <code><identity type></code> is typically <code dir=ltr>CentralAuth:</code><!-- not a typo --> (for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified login|SUL wikis]]) or <code dir=ltr style="white-space:nowrap">local:<wiki id></code> (for other wikis). This is to avoid conflicts between different user ID types, and to make OAuth 2 access tokens and the <code>sessionJwt</code> cookie more similar. Old access tokens will still work. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399199] * MediaWiki's block messages ([[MediaWiki:Blockedtext|blockedtext]], [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext-partial|blockedtext-partial]], [[MediaWiki:Autoblockedtext|autoblockedtext]], [[MediaWiki:Systemblockedtext|systemblockedtext]], [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext-tempuser|blockedtext-tempuser]], [[MediaWiki:Autoblockedtext-tempuser|autoblockedtext-tempuser]]) now support additional parameters indicating whether the user is blocked from editing their own user talk page <code><nowiki>$9</nowiki></code> or emailing other users <code><nowiki>$</nowiki><nowiki>10</nowiki></code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285612] * A <code>REL1_45</code> branch for MediaWiki core and each of the extensions and skins in Wikimedia git has been created. This is the first step in the release process for MediaWiki 1.45.0, scheduled for late November 2025. If you are working on a critical bug fix or working on a new feature, you may need to take note of this change. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/ZUY7TY3Z6XPZWZVAZV63OPO5OW52Q6GE/] * The process for generating CirrusSearch dumps has been updated due to slowing performance. If you encounter any issues migrating to the replacement dumps, please contact the Search Platform Team for support. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366248][https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/3KQPOR6ACVN6OVLMLZPIBXQSWQKW4E3K/] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.2|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/46|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W46"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29606150 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-47 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Elephant communication]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Three elephant's curly kisses.jpg|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Elephants communicate''' via touching, visual displays, vocalisations, seismic vibrations, and semiochemicals. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29627457 --> == Tech News: 2025-47 == <section begin="technews-2025-W47"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/47|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|Reader Experience team]] is experimenting with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/WE3.3.4_Reading lists|reading lists on mobile web]], allowing logged-in readers with no edits to save private lists of articles for later. The experiment is running on Arabic, Chinese, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese Wikipedias since the week of 10 November, and will begin on English Wikipedia the week of 17 November. * Users who can’t receive their email verification code during login can now get help by submitting a form on a new special page. This update is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] initiative. If your account has an email address, please make sure you still have access to it. When logging in from a new device or location without 2FA, you may be asked to enter a 6-digit code sent by email to finish logging in. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security#Why are you requiring me to enter a code from my email to log in? Can I opt out of this?|Learn more]]. * One new wiki has been created: a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikisource}} in [[d:Q13324|Minangkabau]] ([[s:min:|<code>s:min:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408317] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification|Parser Unification]] project, the Content Transform Team rolled out Parsoid as the default parser to many low-traffic Wikipedias and is preparing the next step to high traffic ones. This message is an invitation for you to opt-in to Parsoid, as described in the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserMigration|Extension:ParserMigration]] documentation, and identify any issues you might encounter with your own workflow using bots, gadgets, or user scripts. Please, let us know through the ''"Report Visual Bug"'' link in the Tools sidebar or create a phab ticket and tag the [[phab:project/view/5846|Content Transform Team in Phabricator]]. * Unsupported Tools: Several issues with [[:c:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons|Video2Commons]] have been fixed, including filename-related upload failures, black-video imports, and retry handling. AV1 support has also been added. Ongoing work focuses on backend stability, ffmpeg errors, subtitle imports, metadata handling, and playlist uploads. To track specific tasks, check the [[phab:tag/video2commons/|Phabricator board]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.3|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * Save the date for the next Wikimedia Hackathon happening in Milan, Italy from May 1–3, 2026. Registration will open in January 2026. [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/Hackathon-2026/ Scholarship applications are currently open], and will close on November 28, 2025. If you have any questions, please email <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">hackathon@wikimedia.org</bdi>. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/47|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W47"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:27, 17 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29627455 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-48 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Animal-made art]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Painting Queen 1024x768.png|center|300px|]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Animal-made art''' consists of works by non-human animals, that have been considered by humans to be artistic, including visual works, music, photography, and videography. Some of these are created naturally by animals, often as courtship displays, while others are created with human involvement. There have been debates about the copyright status of these works, with the United States Copyright Office stating in 2014 that works that lack human authorship cannot have their copyright registered at the US Copyright Office. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:13, 24 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29627457 --> == Tech News: 2025-48 == <section begin="technews-2025-W48"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/48|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Last week, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Search Platform|Wikimedia Search Team]] recreated the "DWIM" (Do What I Mean) gadget functionality server-side, for Russian and Hebrew Wikipedias. This feature adds cross-keyboard suggestions to the standard search-box suggestions. For example, searching for ''<span lang="und" dir="ltr">cxfcnmt</span>'' on Russian Wikipedia will now add suggestions for ''<span lang="ru" dir="ltr">счастье</span>'' ("happiness") that the user probably intended. They plan to enable this feature for other Russian and Hebrew wikis this week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408734] * Later this week, users of the "{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] will have syntax highlighting available in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]]. This requires that the "{{int:discussiontools-preference-sourcemodetoolbar}}" preference be set. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T407918] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|Campaign events extension]] – the set of tools for coordinating events and other on-wiki collaborations has now been deployed to all Wikimedia wikis. A new feature known as [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Collaborative contributions|Collaborative contribution]] to help organizers and participants see the impact of activities has also been added. Join the upcoming [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Connection learning session 3|learning session]] to see the new feature in action and share your feedback. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:24}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:24|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug which stopped CodeReviewBot from working, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T410417] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Users of Wikimedia API can join a usability study to help validate the new design of Wikimedia REST API sandboxes. Interested participants should fill the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/487662 recruitment survey]. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/IREJRRWTZTGCYWQHDMSNJFTQAEPOOAE3/] * The MediaWiki Interfaces team is deprecating XSLT stylesheets within the Action API. Support for <code dir=ltr>format=xml'''&xlst={stylesheet}'''</code> will be removed from Wikimedia projects by the end of November, 2025. In addition, it will soon be disabled by default in MediaWiki release versions: v1.43 (LTS), v1.44, and v1.45. Support for XSLT stylesheets will be fully removed from MediaWiki v1.46 (expected to release between April and May 2026). [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/5AX7UWAVVUNUSBOIRHMNOKWOZ5EZI3JX/] * The WDQS legacy endpoint ([https://query-legacy-full.wikidata.org/ query-legacy-full.wikidata.org]) will be decommissioned at the end of December 2025, and finally closed down on 7th January 2026. After this date, users should expect requests to query.wikidata.org that require the full graph to fail or return invalid results if they are not rewritten to use SPARQL federation. The team encourages users to ensure that tools and workflows use the supported WDQS endpoints (<span dir=ltr><nowiki>https://query.wikidata.org/</nowiki></span> - Main graph or <span dir=ltr><nowiki>https://query-scholarly.wikidata.org/</nowiki></span> - Scholarly graph). For support with migrating use cases, please review the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Data_access|Data Access]] and [[d:Wikidata:Request_a_query|Request a Query]] pages for details and assistance on alternative access methods. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.4|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/48|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W48"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:57, 24 November 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29702226 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-49 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Halachic state]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The term "'''halachic state'''" (Hebrew: מְדִינַת הֲלָכָה‎ Medīnat Hălāḵā) refers to a sovereign state that endorses Judaism in an official capacity and governs by Jewish religious law. It has been a subject of discussion among Orthodox Jews, particularly with regard to modern Israel, which, although a Jewish state, is not classified as a theocracy. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 08:01, 1 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29719355 --> == Tech News: 2025-49 == <section begin="technews-2025-W49"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/49|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The Wikipedia Year in Review 2025 will be available on December 2 for users of iOS and Android Wikipedia apps, featuring new personalized insights, updated reading highlights, and refreshed designs. Learn more on the review's [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Wikipedia Year in Review/Updates|project page]]. * The Growth team is working on improving the text and presentation of the Verification Email sent to new users to make them more welcoming, useful and informative. Some new text have been drafted for A/B testing and you can help by translating them. See [[phab:T396155|Phabricator]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]] will now be deployed at Japanese, Urdu and Chinese Wikipedias on December 2. Add a link is based on a prediction model that suggests links to be added to articles. While this feature has already been available on most Wikipedias, the prediction model could not support certain languages. A new model has now been developed to handle these languages, and it will be gradually rolled out to other Wikipedias over time. If you would like to know more, please contact [[mw:user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:34}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:34|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where search boxes on some Commons pages showed no results due to switch from SpecialSearch to MediaSearch, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399476] * Two new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q36846|Toki Pona]] ([[w:tok:|<code>w:tok:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404457] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikiquote}} in [[d:Q33655|Nigerian Pidgin]] ([[q:pcm:|<code>q:pcm:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408318] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.5|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The Wikimedia Foundation is in the early stages of exploring approaches to '''Article guidance'''. The initiative aims to identify interventions that could help new editors easily understand and apply existing Wikipedia practices and policies when creating an article. The project is in the exploration and early experimental design phase. All community members are encouraged to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|learn more]] about the project, and share their thoughts on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Talk:Article guidance|the talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/49|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W49"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:58, 1 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29732328 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-50 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:ru:Сто лошадей]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:One Hundred Horses]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:A_Hundred_Steeds.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''One Hundred Horses''''' (Chinese: 百駿圖) is a Qing dynasty silk and ink painting by Giuseppe Castiglione. It was painted in 1728 for the Yongzheng emperor. The painting depicts a hundred horses in a variety of poses and activities, combining Western realism with traditional Chinese composition and brushwork. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29719355 --> == Tech News: 2025-50 == <section begin="technews-2025-W50"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/50|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Anybody who wishes to secure their user account can now use [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] (2FA). This is available to all registered users of all Wikimedia projects. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] initiative. Later, 2FA will be required for all users who can take security- or privacy-sensitive actions. '''Updates for editors''' * Following last week's deployments, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link|Add a link]] feature, which allows editors to add suggested links during editing, will be available to an additional [[Phab:T410469|33 Wikipedias]] starting on 9 December. This expansion is possible thanks to the new prediction model that now supports all languages, including those that were previously not covered. While the feature has been available on most Wikipedias for some time, this rollout brings us closer to using the improved model everywhere. If you have any questions or would like more details please contact [[mw:user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]. * Last week, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Search Platform|Search Platform team]] added [[w:en:Transliteration|transliterated]] as-you-type search suggestions to Georgian wikis. If there are only a few regular search suggestions, then queries in Latin or Cyrillic script [[phab:T127003|are now rewritten into Georgian script]] to look for more matches. For example, searching for either <bdi lang="ka-Latn" dir="ltr">''bedniereba''</bdi> or <bdi lang="ka-Cyrl" dir="ltr">''бедниереба''</bdi> will now suggest the existing article about <bdi lang="ka" dir="ltr">ბედნიერება</bdi> ("happiness"). You can recommend other languages where transliterated suggestions would be useful [[phab:T375215|on Phabricator]] for future development. * Later this week, a controlled experiment will begin for editors on the 100 largest Wikipedias who are editing a section in the mobile web visual editor. 50% of these editors will notice a new "Edit full page" button that will enable them to expand their editing session to the whole page. This feature is intended to make it easier for people on mobile web to edit any article section, regardless of which section-edit icon they tapped to begin. The experiment will last ~4 weeks. You can find [[phab:T409112|more details]] about the project. * Later this week, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth|Reader Growth team]] will launch a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/WE3.1.14 Expanded Mobile Sections|mobile web experiment]] to expand all article sections by default (currently they are collapsed by default) and pin the section header the user is currently reading to the top of the page. The experiment will affect 10% of users on Arabic, Chinese, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409485] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Wikipedia Year in Review/2025 Year in Review|Wikipedia Year in Review 2025]], a feature in the Wikipedia mobile apps (iOS and Android) that provides users with a personalised summary of their engagement with Wikipedia over the year, is now available on the iOS and Android apps. This edition includes expanded personalised insights, improved reading highlights, new donor messaging, and updated designs. Open the app to view your Year in Review and explore your reading journey from 2025. * A recent software bug caused edits made with VisualEditor to make unintended changes to wikitext, including removing whitespace and replacing spaces with underscores in wikilinks inside citations. This was partially fixed last week, and further fixes are in progress. Editors who used VisualEditor between November 28 and December 2 should review their edits for unexpected modifications. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411238] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the incorrect handling of URLs copied from the address bar of Microsoft Edge users, has been resolved. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T341281] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting this week, users of the "{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}" [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] will have [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] as the editor for Lua, JavaScript, CSS, JSON and Vue content models, instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]]. With this, the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Linting|linters]] will be upgraded. This is part of a larger effort to eventually replace CodeEditor and provide a consistent code editing experience. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373711] * Developers are encouraged to take the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/552643 2025 Developer Satisfaction Survey], which remains open until 5 January 2026. If you build software for the Wikimedia ecosystem and would like to share your experiences or feedback, your participation is greatly appreciated. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/W4WBKO6Q55UWWCCSFWQATKEXBEHP3QNR/] * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/50|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W50"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29738112 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-51 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:First Universal Races Congress]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:fr:Premier Congrès universel des races]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Universal Races Congress seated outside the entrance to the Imperial Institute, London, 1911.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''First Universal Races Congress''' met in 1911 for four days at the University of London as an early effort at anti-racism. Speakers from a number of countries discussed race relations and how to improve them. The congress, with 2,100 attendees, was organised by prominent humanists of that era. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:56, 15 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29779168 --> == Tech News: 2025-51 == <section begin="technews-2025-W51"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/51|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:18}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:18|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, one of the fixes addressed an issue for temporary accounts adding an external URL, which triggered an hCaptcha request in more cases than intended, and did not display the required popup on the first attempt to publish the edit. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411927] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * To improve database and site performance, external links to Wikimedia projects will no longer be stored in the database. This means they will not be searchable in [[{{#special:LinkSearch}}]], will not be checked by the Spam Blacklist or AbuseFilter as new links, and will not be in the <code dir=ltr>externallinks</code> table on database replicas. In the future this may be extended to other highly-linked trusted websites on a per-wiki basis, such as Creative Commons links on Wikimedia Commons. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T405005] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.7|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/51|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W51"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:03, 15 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29796010 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2025-52 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2025 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pin Malakul]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Pin Malakul, January 1922.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pin Malakul''' (24 October 1903 – 5 October 1995) was a Thai professor, educator and writer. His contributions to education in Thailand include the establishment of various institutions of higher education, the introduction of fixed class schedules, and the implementation of teacher-training programmes. In his career he served as Director-General of the Department of General Education, later becoming Permanent Secretary, and Minister, of Education. He was also a member of the executive board of UNESCO. His writings earned him the title of National Artist in 1987, and the 100th anniversary of his birth was celebrated by the UNESCO in 2003 as recognition of his contribution to the advancement of education in Thailand and Southeast Asia. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> -[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:26, 22 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29802495 --> == Tech News: 2025-52 == <section begin="technews-2025-W52"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/52|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * From January, edit filters [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:AbuseFilter/Access flags|can be set]] to automatically suppress their details such as rules and list of attempted edits and actions. This will help oversighters use edit filters to prevent doxxing or other suppressible material. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T290324] * The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 12 January 2026 because of the end of year holidays. Thank you to all of the translators, and people who submitted content or feedback, this year. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:16}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:16|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the crash that occurred when tapping "First Steps" in the Wikipedia Android Year in Review has now been fixed, and the feature opens as expected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411546] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Interface elements such as diffs and categories generated by MediaWiki used to have the attribute <code dir=ltr>data-mw="interface"</code> to distinguish from wiki content. The attribute has been replaced with <code dir=ltr>data-mw-interface=""</code>, to avoid potential conflicts with other <code dir=ltr>data-mw</code> attributes, which are generated by Parsoid. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409187] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week. '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026|Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026]] will take place on 13-14 March 2026 in Arnhem, the Netherlands. Applications just opened mid-December and will close in mid-January or earlier if capacity is reached. With space for approximately 100 participants, early application is encouraged. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/52|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2025-W52"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:46, 22 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29831856 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-01 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:The Morning of the Magicians]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Le Matin des magiciens, couverture.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''The Morning of the Magicians: Introduction to Fantastic Realism''''' (French: Le Matin des magiciens: Introduction au réalisme fantastique) is a 1960 book by the journalists Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier. It covers topics like cryptohistory, ufology, occultism in Nazism, alchemy, spiritual philosophy. The second half of the book is entirely dedicated to the Nazi-Occult connections; the book is widely credited with the proliferation of numerous myths related to occultism in Nazism. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:20, 29 December 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29802495 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-02 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Somaliland War of Independence]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Somaliland, fighters of the Somali National Movement (SNM), 1980s.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Somaliland War of Independence''' was a rebellion waged by the Somali National Movement (SNM) against the ruling military junta in Somalia led by General Siad Barre lasting from its founding on 6 April 1981 and ended on 18 May 1991 when the SNM declared what was then northern Somalia independent as the Republic of Somaliland. The conflict served as the main theater of the larger Somali Rebellion that started in 1978. The conflict was in response to the harsh policies enacted by the Barre regime against the main clan family in Somaliland, the Isaaq, including a declaration of economic warfare on the clan-family. These harsh policies were put into effect shortly after the conclusion of the disastrous Ogaden War in 1978. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:00, 5 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29871911 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-03 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Pietro Lauro]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Pietro Lauro]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Master I.A.V.F., Pietro Lauro, born 1508, Modenese Poet and Scholar (obverse), 1555, NGA 45072.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pietro Lauro''', conosciuto anche come Pietro Lauro Modonese o Pietro Lauro da Modona (Modena o dintorni, 1510 circa – Venezia, 1568 circa) è stato un traduttore, scrittore e divulgatore scientifico italiano. Nonostante non si conosca gran parte della sua biografia, fu uno dei poligrafi italiani più conosciuti del Cinquecento. La sua produzione raccoglie traduzioni dal latino, dal greco e dallo spagnolo e riguardano opere di autori classici, stranieri e protestanti. Lauro si dimostrò abile nel trattare testi con temi molto diversi, come la filosofia, l'architettura, la medicina, il giardinaggio, l'agronomia, le scienze biologiche, la storia, la teologia e l'astronomia. Si cimentò anche nella scrittura di un poema cavalleresco sullo stile di quelli spagnoli, il Polendo, sua magnum opus in questo senso. Aderente alla Riforma protestante, sebbene le sue trasposizioni siano state oggetto di critiche già degli autori a lui contemporanei, che le giudicarono troppo letterali, rozze e imparziali, a Lauro si deve il merito di aver ultimato la traduzione in lingua volgare di numerosi testi sia classici, sia scientifici, sia epistolari. I suoi lavori ebbero una notevole diffusione, non solo tra i letterati veneziani della sua epoca, ma in tutta Italia, tanto che alcune sue traduzioni vengono ancora oggi ristampate in nuove edizioni. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:45, 12 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29894468 --> == Tech News: 2026-03 == <section begin="technews-2026-W03"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/03|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Wikimedia Foundation has shared some guiding questions for the July 2026–June 2027 Annual Plan on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027/Product & Technology OKRs|Meta]] and ''[[diffblog:2025/12/10/shaping-wikimedia-foundations-2026-2027-annual-goals-key-questions-for-the-wikimedia-movement/|Diff]]''. These focus on global trends, faster and healthier experimentation, better support for newcomers, strengthening editors and advanced users, improving collaboration across projects, and growing and retaining readership. Feedback and ideas are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027|talk page]]. '''Updates for editors''' * As part of the current work of Community Tech team on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/W372|Multiple watchlists]] project, the display of [[Special:EditWatchlist|EditWatchlist]] will be updated as a first step towards multiple watchlists. Additionally, the pagination on [[Special:Search|Search]] will be updated too, as a part of the work on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/W186|Revamp pagination / page navigation]] wish. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411596] * [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|The Global Watchlist]] is a MediaWiki [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] that lets you see your watchlists from different wikis on the same page. It was recently updated to look more like the regular [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlist]], such as preparing it for temporary accounts in IP masking (including rerouting user links to contributions pages), making page titles bold, and opening links in edit summaries and tags in new browser tabs. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398361][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T298919][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T273526][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T286309] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:28}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:28|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where global blocks did not have the option to disable sending emails, has now been fixed, and will be available for use in the week of January 13. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401293] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Citation tool|VisualEditor citation tool]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Reference Previews|Reference Previews]] now support "map" as a reference type. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411083] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.10|MediaWiki]]/[[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.11|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/03|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W03"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:34, 12 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29907192 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-04 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Volto di Palazzo Vecchio]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Piazza della signoria angolo via della ninna, palazzo vecchio, cantonata con testa scolpita 02.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''volto di Palazzo Vecchio''' (conosciuto anche come L'importuno o L'inopportuno) è un incisione su pietraforte attibuita a Michelangelo Buonarroti, scolpita in una delle pietre di Palazzo Vecchio a Firenze. Secondo le varie leggende, il profilo sarebbe stato realizzato come graffito dall'artista toscano, con soggetto un suo importunatore, un debitore, un condannato a morte o se stesso. Nel 2020, gli studiosi hanno ipotizzato possa invece trattarsi di un ritratto di Francesco Granacci, pittore amico di Michelangelo. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:14, 19 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-04 == <section begin="technews-2026-W04"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/04|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The tray shown on [[Special:Diff|Special:Diff]] in mobile view has been redesigned. It is now collapsed by default, and incorporates a link to undo the edit being viewed, making it easier for mobile editors and reviewers to take action while keeping the interface uncluttered. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402297] * [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|The Global Watchlist]] lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on one page. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] continues to improve — it now automatically determines the text direction (ensuring correct display of sites with unusual domain names) and shows detailed descriptions for log actions. Later this week, a new permanent link for page creations and CSS classes for each entry element will be added. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T412505][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T287929][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262768][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414135] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the previously observed issue in Vector 2022, where anchor link targets were obscured by the sticky header, has now been addressed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406114] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As mentioned in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/44|October 2025 deprecation announcement]], MediaWiki Interfaces team will begin sunsetting all transform endpoints containing a trailing slash from the MediaWiki REST API the week of January 26. Changes are expected to roll out to all wikis on or before January 30th. All API users currently calling them are encouraged to transition to the non-trailing slash versions. Both endpoint variations can be found, compared, and tested using the [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RestSandbox REST Sandbox]. If you have questions or encounter any problems, please file a ticket in Phabricator to the [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/6931/ #MW-Interfaces-Team board]. * Interactive reference documentation for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia REST API|Wikimedia REST API]] has moved. Requests to API docs previously hosted through [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/RESTBase|RESTBase]] (e.g.: <code dir=ltr>https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/</code>) are now redirected to the [[w:en:Special:RestSandbox|REST Sandbox]]. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata Platform|WMF Wikidata Platform team]] (WDP) has published its [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Wikidata Platform team/Newsletter|January 2026 newsletter]]. It includes updates on the legacy full-graph endpoint decommissioning, the User-Agent policy change, the monthly Blazegraph migration office hours, and efforts to reduce regressions caused by the legacy endpoint shutdown. As a reminder, you can [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global message delivery/Targets/WDP team updates|subscribe to the WDP newsletter]]! * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.12|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026|Wikimedia Hackathon Northwestern Europe 2026]] will take place on 13-14 March 2026 in Arnhem, the Netherlands. Applications opened mid-December and will close soon or when capacity is reached. It's a two-day, technically oriented hackathon bringing together Wikimedians from the region. Hope to see you there! '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/04|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W04"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:30, 19 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29943403 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-05 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Raffaello Kobayashi]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:en:Raffaello Kobayashi]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Raffaello Kobayashi''', nato Raffaele Sanzio (Bari, 14 gennaio 1917 – Yokohama, 1 aprile 2011), è stato un militare italiano naturalizzato giapponese. Sommergibilista durante la Seconda guerra mondiale, prestò servizio per tutte e tre le principali Potenze dell'Asse: Regno d'Italia, Germania nazista e Impero giapponese. Alla fine della guerra si nascose in Giappone per evitare di subire l'internamento in un campo di prigionia, divenendo poi cittadino nipponico e cambiando il proprio nome. Prese parte all'affondamento della HMS Calypso nel 1940, primo successo italiano in campo navale nel corso del conflitto mondiale. Con l'abbattimento di un bombardiere statunitense il 22 agosto 1945, otto giorni dopo il discorso di resa del Giappone alle potenze alleate della seconda guerra mondiale, a bordo del Comandante Cappellini, sarebbe stata l'ultima persona in assoluto a mettere fuori combattimento un velivolo degli Alleati nella stessa guerra. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:05, 26 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-05 == <section begin="technews-2026-W05"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/05|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * Wikimedia Foundation invites comments on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Year1 Reflections and Proposed Way Forward 2026 Update|proposed future]] of the [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] until 28 February. * All users with registered accounts can now use passkeys for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] (2FA). Passkeys are a simple way to log in without using a second device. They verify the user's identity using a fingerprint, face scan, or a PIN code. To set up a passkey, first set up a regular 2FA method. Currently, to log in with a passkey, users must also use a password. Later this quarter, passwordless login will allow users to log in with a single click and a passkey. Users with advanced rights will also be required to have 2FA enabled. This is part of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security|Account Security]] project. * Unregistered contributors on blocked IPs or blocked IP ranges can now interact on-wiki to appeal a block by creating a temporary account to appeal a block on the user talk page, unless the "prevent this user from editing their own talk page" is enabled. This solves the problem of logged-out users unable to use the default unblock process via user talk page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398673] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:20}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:20|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) methods description on the management page has been updated. It is now clearer and easier for users to understand and make use of. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332385] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * A new AbuseFilter variable, <code>account_type</code>, has been added to provide a reliable way to determine the account type being created in the <code>createaccount</code> and <code>autocreateaccount</code> actions. As part of this change, the variable <code>accountname</code> has been renamed to <code>account_name</code>, and <code>accountname</code> is now deprecated. Edit filter managers should update any filters that use hardcoded account type checks or the deprecated variable. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414049] * Image thumbnails that are requested in non-standard sizes, and using non-standard methods such as direct requests to <code dir=ltr><nowiki>upload.wikimedia.org/…</nowiki></code> will stop working in the near future. This change is to prevent ongoing external abuse by web-scrapers and bots. Some users with custom CSS/JS, Interface Admins who can fix gadgets and local skins, and Tool-authors, will need to update their code to use standard thumbnail sizes. [[phab:T414805|Details, search-links, and examples of how to fix them, are available in the task]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.13|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/05|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W05"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:18, 26 January 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=29969530 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-06 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Censorship in the Czech Republic]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:cs:Cenzura v Česku]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Censorship in the Czech Republic''' had been highly active until 17 November 1989 and the fall of Communism in the former Czechoslovakia. Czech Republic was ranked as the 13th most free country in the World Press Freedom Index in 2014. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:32, 2 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-06 == <section begin="technews-2026-W06"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/06|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The "{{int:pageinfo-toolboxlink}}" feature, which gives validating information about a page ([{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=info}} example]), now automatically includes a table of contents. If there is a local [[{{ns:8}}:Pageinfo-header]] page created by individual users, it can now be removed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T363726] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, VisualEditor previously added bold or italic formatting inside link descriptions, making the wikicode complex. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409669] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * There was no XML dump on 20 January. Additionally, from now on, dumps will be generated once per month only. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414389] * The MediaWiki Interfaces team removed support for all transform endpoints containing a trailing slash from the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/API:REST%20API MediaWiki REST API]. All API users currently calling those endpoints are encouraged to transition to the non-trailing slash versions. If you have questions or encounter any problems, please file a ticket in phabricator to the [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/6931/ #MW-Interfaces-Team board]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.14|MediaWiki]] '''Weekly highlight''' * Users are reminded that the Wikimedia Foundation has shared some guiding questions for the July 2026–June 2027 Annual Plan on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027/Product & Technology OKRs|Meta]] and ''[[diffblog:2025/12/10/shaping-wikimedia-foundations-2026-2027-annual-goals-key-questions-for-the-wikimedia-movement/|Diff]]''. These focus on global trends, faster and healthier experimentation, better support for newcomers, strengthening editors and advanced users, improving collaboration across projects, and growing and retaining readership. Feedback and ideas are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027|talk page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/06|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W06"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:44, 2 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30000986 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-07 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Petites Heures of Jean de France, Duc de Berry]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Jacquemart de Hesdin 002.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Petites Heures of Jean de France, Duc de Berry''' is an illuminated book of hours commissioned by John, Duke of Berry between 1375 and 1385–90. It is known for its ornate miniature leaves and border decorations. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 03:59, 9 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-07 == <section begin="technews-2026-W07"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/07|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * [[File:Maki-gift-15.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] Logged-in contributors who manage large or complex watchlists can now organise and filter watched pages in ways that improve their workflows with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist labels|Watchlist labels]] feature. By adding custom labels (for example: pages you created, pages being monitored for vandalism, or discussion pages) users can more quickly identify what needs attention, reduce cognitive load, and respond more efficiently. This improves watchlist usability, especially for highly active editors. * A new feature available on [[Special:Contributions|Special:Contributions]] shows [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] that are likely operated by the same person, and so makes patrolling less time-consuming. Upon checking contributions of a temporary account, users with access to temporary account IP addresses can now see a view of contributions from the related temporary accounts. The feature looks up all the IPs associated with a given temporary account within the data retention period and shows all the contributions of all temporary accounts that have used these IPs. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts#February 2026: Improvements to the patroller tooling|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415674] * When editors preview a wikitext edit, the reminder box that they are only seeing a preview (which is shown at the top), now has a grey/neutral background instead of a yellow/warning background. This makes it easier to distinguish preview notes from actual warnings (for example, edit conflicts or problematic redirect targets), which will now be shown in separate warning or error boxes. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414742] * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]] lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on one page. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] continues to improve — it now properly supports more than one Wikibase site, for example both [[d:|Wikidata]] and [[testwikidata:|testwikidata]]. In addition, issues regarding text direction have been fixed for users who prefer Wikidata or other Wikibase sites in right-to-left (RTL) languages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415440][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415458] * The automatic "magic links" for ISBN, RFC, and PMID numbers have been [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic links|deprecated in wikitext since 2021]] due to inflexibility and difficulties with localization. Several wikis have successfully replaced RFC and PMID magic links with equivalent external links, but a template was often required to replace the functionality of the ISBN magic link. There is now a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words#isbn|built-in parser function]] <code dir=ltr><nowiki>{{#isbn}}</nowiki></code> available to replace the basic functionality of the ISBN magic link. This makes it easier for wikis who wish to migrate off of the deprecated magic link functionality to do so. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145604] * Two new wikis have been created: ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q35401|Jju]] ([[w:kaj:|<code>w:kaj:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413283] ** a {{int:project-localized-name-group-wikipedia}} in [[d:Q1186896|Nawat]] ([[w:ppl:|<code>w:ppl:</code>]]) [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413273] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * A new global user group has been created: [[{{int:grouppage-local-bot}}|{{int:group-local-bot}}]]. It will be used internally by the software to allow community bots to bypass rate limits that are applied to abusive [[w:en:Web scraping|web scrapers]]. Accounts that are approved as bots on at least one Wikimedia wiki will be automatically added to this group. It will not change what user permissions the bot has. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415588] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.15|MediaWiki]] '''Meetings and events''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Spring 2026|MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference, Spring 2026]] will be held March 25–27 in Salt Lake City, USA. This event is organized by and for the third-party MediaWiki community. You can propose sessions and register to attend. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/AZBWVI46SDEB65PGR5J6E4TYOQQEZXM7/] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/07|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W07"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 23:31, 9 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30026671 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-08 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Lysmata grabhami]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lysmata grabhami1.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Lysmata grabhami''''' is a species of saltwater shrimp in the family Hippolytidae. It was first described by Gordon in 1935. It occurs in the tropical and subtropical Atlantic Ocean and is a cleaner shrimp, operating a cleaning station to which fish come to have parasites removed. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 13:45, 16 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=29945240 --> == Tech News: 2026-08 == <section begin="technews-2026-W08"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/08|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Site Reliability Engineering|SRE Team]] will be performing a cleanup of Wikimedia's [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Etherpad|Etherpad]] instance, the web-based editor for real-time collaborative document editing. All pads will be permanently deleted after 30 April, 2026 – if there are still migration projects in progress at that point the team can revisit the date on a case by case basis. Please create local backups of any content you wish to keep, as deleted data cannot be recovered. This cleanup helps reduce database size and minimize infrastructure footprint. Etherpad will continue to support real-time collaboration, but long-term storage should not be expected. Additional cleanups may occur in the future without prior notice. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415237] '''Updates for editors''' * The Information Retrieval team will be launching an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Information Retrieval/Phase 1|Android mobile app experiment]] that tests hybrid search capabilities which can handle both semantic and keyword queries. The improvement of on-platform search will enable readers to find what they’re looking for directly on Wikipedia more easily. The experiment will first be launched on Greek Wikipedia in late February, followed by English, French, and Portuguese in March. [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2026/01/08/semantic-search-making-it-easier-to-find-the-information-readers-want/ Read more] on Diff blog. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Information_Retrieval] * The Reader Growth team will run [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/WE3.10.2 Mobile Table of Contents|an experiment]] for mobile web users, that adds a table of contents and automatically expands all article sections, to learn more about navigation issues they face. The test will be available on Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Indonesian, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. * Previously, site notices ([[{{ns:8}}:Sitenotice]] and [[{{ns:8}}:Anonnotice]]) would only render on the desktop site. Now, they will render on all platforms. Users on mobile web will now see these notices and be informed. Site administrators should be prepared to test and fix notices on mobile devices to avoid interference with articles. To opt out, interface admins can add <code dir="ltr">#siteNotice { display: none; }</code> to [[{{ns:8}}:Minerva.css]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138572][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416644] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:19}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:19|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue on [[Special:RecentChanges|Special:RecentChanges]] has been fixed. Previously, clicking hide in the active filters caused the "view new changes since…" button to disappear, though it should have remained visible. The button now behaves as expected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T406339] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * New documentation is now available to help editors debug on-site search features. It supports troubleshooting when pages do not appear in results, when ranking seems unexpected, and when you need to inspect what content is being indexed, helping make search behavior easier to understand and analyze. [[mw:Help:CirrusSearch/Debug|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T411169] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.16|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/08|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W08"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:17, 16 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30086330 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-09 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Elefante di Cremona]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:de:Elefant von Cremona]])&#32;([[:eo:Elefanto de Cremona]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Matthew Paris Elephant from Parker MS 16 fol 151v.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> L''''elefante di Cremona''' (Asia, prima del 1228 - Parma, gennaio 1248) fu un esemplare di elefante donato nel 1228 a Federico II di Svevia da parte del sultano ayyubide al-Malik al-Kamil durante gli incontri che porteranno alla Pace di Giaffa. Usato principalmente per le manifestazioni trionfali del sovrano, l'elefante è citato da numerosi cronachisti e testimoni dell'epoca ed è noto per aver trainato il Carroccio dopo la grande vittoria delle armate di Federico II nella battaglia di Cortenuova del 1237. Rimasto a lungo nell'immaginario popolare collettivo, l'animale venne ucciso durante alcuni scontri occorsi nelle settimane immediatamente precedenti alla battaglia di Parma. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 11:43, 23 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30097839 --> == Tech News: 2026-09 == <section begin="technews-2026-W09"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/09|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Reference Check|Reference Check]] has been deployed to English Wikipedia, completing its rollout across all Wikipedias. The feature prompts newcomers to add a citation before publishing new content, helping reduce common citation-related reverts and improve verifiability. In A/B testing, the impact was substantial: newcomers shown Reference Check were approximately 2.2 times more likely to include a reference on desktop and about 17.5 times more likely on mobile web. [https://analytics.wikimedia.org/published/reports/editing/reference_check_ab_test_report_final_2025.html] '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:InterwikiSorting|InterwikiSorting extension]], which allowed for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Interwiki sorting order|sorting of interwiki links]], has been undeployed from Wikipedia. As a result, editors who had enabled interwiki link sorting in non-compact mode (full list format) will now see links reordered. The links moving forward will be listed in the alphabetical order of language code. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T253764] * Later this week, people who are editing a page-section using the mobile visual editor, will notice a new "Edit full page" button. When tapped, you will be able to edit the entire article. This helps when the change you want to make is outside the section you initially opened. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T387175][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T409112] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|The Reader Experience team]] is inviting editors to assess whether dark mode should still be considered "beta" on their wiki, based on their experience of how well it functions on desktop and mobile. If the feature is deemed mature, editors can update the interface messages in <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:skin-theme-description</code> and <code dir=ltr>MediaWiki:Vector-night-mode-beta-tag</code> to indicate that dark mode is ready and no longer considered beta. * The improved [[mw:Wikimedia_Apps/Team/iOS/Activity_Tab|Activity tab]] which displays user-insights is now available to all users of the Wikipedia iOS app (version 7.9.0 and later). Following earlier A/B testing that showed higher account creation among users with access to the feature, it has been rolled out to 100% of users along with some updates. The Activity tab now shows your edited articles in the timeline, offers editing impact insights like contribution counts and article view trends, and customization options to improve in-app experience for users. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:21}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:21|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, a bug that prevented [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]] from working on mobile has now been fixed, restoring full functionality. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415303] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]] lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on one page. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] that makes this possible continues to improve. The latest upgrade is the inclusion of a [[mw:Extension:GlobalWatchlist#hook|new hook]], <code dir=ltr>ext.globalwatchlist.rebuild</code>, which fires after each watchlist rebuild. This allows you to run gadgets and user scripts for the Special page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T275159] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.17|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/09|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W09"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:04, 23 February 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30119102 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-10 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Treaty of the Danish West Indies]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:The Virgin islands of the United States of America; historical and descriptive, commercial and industrial facts, figures, and resources (1918) (14596880870).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Treaty of the Danish West Indies''' (Danish: Vestindiens traktat), officially the Convention between the United States and Denmark for cession of the Danish West Indies (Danish: Konventionen mellem USA og Danmark), was a 1916 treaty transferring sovereignty of the Danish West Indies from Denmark to the United States in exchange for a sum of US$25,000,000 in gold ($722 million in 2024) and a declaration from the United States that it would "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland". It is one of the most recent permanent expansions of United States territory. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:43, 2 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30097839 --> == Tech News: 2026-10 == <section begin="technews-2026-W10"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/10|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Wikipedia 25 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 25/Easter egg experiments|Birthday mode]] is now live on Betawi, Breton, Chinese, Czech, Dutch, English, French, Gorontalo, Indonesian, Italian, Luxembourgish, Madurese, Sicilian, Spanish, Thai, and Vietnamese Wikipedias! This limited-time campaign feature celebrates 25 years of Wikipedia with a birthday mascot, Baby Globe. When turned on, Baby Globe is shown on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 25/Easter egg experiments/article configuration|~2,500 articles]], waiting to be discovered by readers. Communities can choose to turn Birthday mode on by getting consensus from their community and asking an admin to enable the feature and customize it via [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikipedia 25/Easter egg experiments#Community Configuration Demo|community configuration]] on the local wiki. '''Updates for editors''' * [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]], a new feature to re-use references with different details has been released to Swedish Wikipedia, Polish Wikipedia and [[:phab:T418209|a couple of other wikis]]. You can [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#test|try the feature]] on these projects or on testwiki and [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmcloud.org/wiki/Sub-referencing betawiki]. Learnings from the first pilot wiki German Wikipedia have been [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing/Learnings|published in a report]]. Reach out to the Wikimedia Deutschland team if you are [[:m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Pilot wikis|interested in becoming a pilot wiki]]. * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check#Paste check|Paste Check]] will become available at all Wikipedias this week. The feature prompts newcomers who are pasting text they are not likely to have written into VisualEditor to consider whether doing so risks a copyright violation. Paste Check [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Tags|tags]] all edits where it is shown for potential review. Local administrators can configure various aspects of the feature via [[{{#special:EditChecks}}]]. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Edit check/Paste Check#A/B Experiment|Research]] across 22 wikis found that Paste Check resulted in an 18% decrease in relative reverted-edits compared to the control group. Translators can [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-visualeditor-ve-mw-editcheck&filter=&optional=1&action=translate help to localize] this and related features. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|Reader Experience team]] will be standardizing the user menu in the top right for all mobile users so that it is closer to the desktop experience. Currently this user menu is only visible to users with Advanced Mobile Controls (AMC) turned on. The only change is that a couple buttons previously in the left-side menu will move to the top right for users who do not have AMC turned on. This change is expected to go out March 9 and seeks to improve the user interface. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413912] * Starting in the week of March 2, the emails sent out when an email address was added, removed, or changed for an account will switch to a substantially nicer and clearer HTML email from the prior plaintext one. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T410807] * Notifications are currently limited to 2,000 historic entries per user, and extend back to 2013 when the feature was released. This is going to be changed to only store Notifications from the last 5 years, but up to 10,000 of them. This will help with long-term infrastructure health and help to prevent more recent notifications from disappearing too soon. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383948] * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]] which lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on a single page continues to see improvements. The latest update improves label usage experience. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:GlobalWatchlist|extension]] now allows activating the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Language#Fallback languages|language fallback system]] for Wikidata items without labels in the viewed language, and showing those labels in the user’s preferred Wikidata language if no <code dir=ltr>uselang=</code> URL parameter is provided. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373686][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416111] * The Wikipedia Android team has started a beta test of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Information Retrieval/Phase 1|hybrid search]] on Greek Wikipedia. Hybrid search capabilities can handle both semantic and keyword queries enabling readers to find what they’re looking for directly on Wikipedia more easily. * For security reasons, members of certain user groups are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|required to have two-factor authentication]] (2FA) enabled. Currently, 2FA is required to use the group, but not to be a member of it. Given that this model still has some vulnerabilities, the situation will [[phab:T418580|gradually change in March]]. Members of these groups will be unable to disable last 2FA method on their account, and it will be impossible to add users without 2FA to these groups. Users will still be able to add new authentication methods or remove them, as long as at least one method is continuously enabled. In the second half of March, users without 2FA will be removed from these groups. This applies to: CentralNotice administrators, checkusers, interface administrators, suppressors, Wikidata staff, Wikifunctions staff, WMF Office IT and WMF Trust & Safety. Nothing will change for other users. See the linked task for deployment schedule. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418580] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue preventing users from creating an instance in [https://www.wikibase.cloud/ Wikibase.cloud] has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416807] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * To help ensure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]], over the next month the Wikimedia Foundation will implement global API rate limits across our APIs. In early March, stricter limits will be applied to unidentified requests from outside Toolforge/WMCS and API requests that are made from web browsers. In April, higher limits will be applied to identified traffic. These limits are intentionally set as high as possible to minimise impact on the community. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]]. * The Wikidata Query Service Linked Data Fragment (LDF) endpoint will be decommissioned in February. This endpoint served limited traffic, which was successfully migrated to other data access methods that were better suited to support existing use cases. The hardware used to support the LDF endpoint will be reallocated to support the ongoing backend migration efforts. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415696] * The new Parsoid parser [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Parsoid/Parser Unification/Updates|continues to be deployed to additional wikis]], improving platform sustainability and making it easier to introduce new reading and editing features. Parsoid is now the default parser on 488 WMF wikis (268 Wikipedias), now covering more than 10% of all Wikipedia page views. * The process and criteria for [[Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Enterprise#Access|requesting exceptional access]] to the high volume feed of the ''Wikimedia Enterprise'' APIs (at no cost for mission-aligned usecases), [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Enterprise#Exceptional access criteria|have now been published]]. This is to provide more thorough and clearer documentation for users. * [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/ Tech Blog], the blog dedicated to the Wikimedia technical community [https://techblog.wikimedia.org/2026/02/24/a-tech-blog-diff/ will be migrating] to [[diffblog:|Diff]], the community news and event blog. The migration should be complete in April 2026, after which new posts will be accepted for publishing. Readers will be able to access posts – old and new – on the landing page at https://diff.wikimedia.org/techblog. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.18|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/10|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W10"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 17:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30137798 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-11 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Steens Mountain]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Steens Mountain near Andrews, Oregon.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Steens Mountain''' is a large fault-block mountain in the northwest United States, located in Harney County, Oregon. Stretching some fifty miles (80 km) north to south, on its east side it rises from the Alvord Desert at an elevation of about 4,200 feet (1,280 m) to 9,738 feet (2,968 m) at the summit. Steens Mountain is not part of a mountain range but is properly a single mountain, the largest of Oregon's fault-block mountains. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 07:30, 9 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30097839 --> == Tech News: 2026-11 == <section begin="technews-2026-W11"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/11|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday, 25 March 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1774450800 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests, [[wikitech:Deployments/Yearly calendar|which happen twice a year]]. During the switchover, all Wikimedia website traffic is shifted from one primary data center to the backup data center to test availability and prevent service disruption even in emergencies. * Last week, all wikis had 2 hours of read-only time, and extended unavailability for user-scripts and gadgets. This was due to a security incident which has since been resolved. Work is ongoing to prevent re-occurrences. For current information please see the [[m:Steward's noticeboard#Statement on Meta about today's user script security incident|post on the Stewards' noticeboard]] ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation/Product and Technology/Product Safety and Integrity/March 2026 User Script Incident|translations]]). '''Updates for editors''' * Users facing multiple blocks on mobile will now see the reasons for each block separately, instead of a generic message. This helps them understand why they are blocked and what steps they can take to resolve the issue. For example, users affected for using common VPNs (such as [[Special:MyLanguage/Apple iCloud Private Relay|iCloud Private Relay]]) will receive clearer guidance on what they need to do to start editing again. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T357118] * Later this week, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Suggestion Mode|Suggestion Mode]] will become available as a beta feature within the visual editor at all Wikipedias. This feature proactively suggests various types of actions that people can consider taking to improve Wikipedia articles, and learn about related guidelines. The feature is locally configurable, and can also be locally expanded with custom Suggestions. Current settings can be seen at [[Special:EditChecks]] and there are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Suggestion mode#For administrators %E2%80%93 local customization|instructions for how administrators can customize]] the links to point to local guidelines. The feature is connected to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Edit check|Edit check]] which suggests improvements while someone is writing new content. In the future, the Editing team plans to evaluate the feature's impact with newcomers through a controlled experiment. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404600] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where the cursor became misaligned during the use of CodeMirror’s syntax highlighting, which makes wikitext and code easier to read, has now been fixed. This problem specifically affected users who defined a font rule in a custom stylesheet while creating a new topic with DiscussionTools. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418793] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * API rate limiting update: To help ensure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]], global API rate limits will be applied this week to requests without a compliant User-Agent that originate from outside Toolforge/WMCS and to unauthenticated requests made from web browsers. Higher limits will be applied to identified traffic in April. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]]. * The new GraphQL API has been released. The API was developed as a flexible alternative to select features of the Wikidata Query Service (WDQS), to improve developer experience and foster adaptability, and efficient data access. Try it out and [[d:Wikidata:Wikibase GraphQL#Feedback and development|give feedback]]. You can also [https://greatquestion.co/wikimediadeutschland/GraphQLAPI/apply sign up for usability tests]. * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group|PTAC Unsupported Tools Working Group]] continued improvements to [[commons:Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Video2commons#|Video2Commons]] in February, with fixes addressing authentication errors, large-file handling, task queue visibility, and clearer upload behavior. Work is still ongoing in some areas, including changes related to deprecated server-side uploads. Read [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/Unsupported Tools Working Group#February 2026|this update]] to learn more. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.19|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The Article Guidance team invites experienced Wikipedia editors from selected [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Pilot wikis and collaborators#Collaborators|pilot wikis]] and interested contributors from other Wikipedias to fill out this questionnaire which is available in [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfmLeVWnxmsCbPoI_UF2jyRcn73WRGWCVPHzerXb4Cz97X_Ag/viewform English], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd6rzr4XXQw8r4024fE3geTPFe13M_6w7Mitj-YJi0sOlWTAw/viewform?usp=header Arabic], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdok3-RfB18lcugYTUMGkpwmqG_8p760Wv4dCXitOXOszjUDw/viewform?usp=header Bengali], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfjTfYp4jEo0akA4B1e-Nfg3QZPCudUjhJzHzzDi6AHyAaMGA/viewform?usp=header Japanese], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScteVoI29Aue4xc72dekk-6RYtvmMgQxzMI900UOawrFrSTWg/viewform?usp=header Portuguese], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSetdxnYwL3ub2vqA7awCg5hJZPMIYcDPaiTe12rY9h0GYnVlw/viewform?usp=header Persian], and [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScNvfJF-Ot-4pzA4qAN771_0QDJ4Li19YcUsaTgSKW8Nc7U_Q/viewform?usp=header Turkish]. Your answers will help the team customize guidance for less experienced editors and help them learn community policies and practices while creating an article. Learn more [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|on the project page]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/11|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W11"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:53, 9 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30213008 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-12 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Casque (anatomy)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Great hornbill (Buceros bicornis) Photograph by Shantanu Kuveskar.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''casque''' is an anatomical feature found in some species of birds, reptiles, and amphibians. In birds, it is an enlargement of the bones of the upper mandible or the skull, either on the front of the face, the top of the head, or both. The casque has been hypothesized to serve as a visual cue to a bird's sex, state of maturity, or social status; as reinforcement to the beak's structure; or as a resonance chamber, enhancing calls. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:43, 16 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30245038 --> == Tech News: 2026-12 == <section begin="technews-2026-W12"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/12|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature, also known as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror 6]], has been used for wikitext syntax highlighting since November 2024. It will be promoted out of beta by May 2026 in order to bring improvements and new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Features|features]] to all editors who use the standard syntax highlighter. If you have any questions or concerns about promoting the feature out of beta, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror|please share]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059] * Some changes to local user groups are performed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and logged there only. Now, interwiki rights changes will be logged both on Meta-Wiki and the wiki of the target user to make it easier to access a full record of user's rights changes on a local wiki. Past log entries for such changes will be backfilled in the coming weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6055] * On wikis using [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Flagged Revisions|Flagged Revisions]], the number of pending changes shown on [[{{#Special:PendingChanges}}]] previously counted pages which were no longer pending review, because they have been removed from the system without being reviewed, e.g. due to being deleted, moved to a different namespace, or due to wiki configuration changes. The count will be correct now. On some wikis the number shown will be much smaller than before. There should be no change to the list of pages itself. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413016] * Wikifunctions composition language has been rewritten, resulting in a new version of the language. This change aims to increase service stability by reducing the orchestrator's memory consumption. This rewrite also enables substantial latency reduction, code simplification, and better abstractions, which will open the door to later feature additions. Read more about [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-11|the changes]]. * Users can now sort search results alphabetically by page title. The update gives an additional option to finding pages more easily and quickly. Previously, results could be sorted by Edit date, Creation date, or Relevance. To use the new option, open 'Advanced Search' on the search results page and select 'Alphabetically' under 'Sorting Order'. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T403775] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:28}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:28|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug that prevented UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons from importing files from Flickr has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419263] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * A new special page, [[{{#special:LintTemplateErrors}}]], has been created to list transcluded pages that are flagged as containing lint errors to help users discover them easily. The list is sorted by the number of transclusions with errors. For example: [[{{#special:LintTemplateErrors}}/night-mode-unaware-background-color]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170874] * Users of the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature have been using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] for syntax highlighting when editing JavaScript, CSS, JSON, Vue and Lua content pages, for some time now. Along with promoting CodeMirror 6 out of beta, the plan is to replace CodeEditor as the standard editor for these content models by May 2026. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help talk:Extension:CodeMirror|Feedback or concerns are welcome]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] JavaScript modules will soon be upgraded to CodeMirror 6. Leading up to the upgrade, loading the <code dir=ltr>ext.CodeMirror</code> or <code dir=ltr>ext.CodeMirror.lib</code> modules from gadgets and user scripts was deprecated in July 2025. The use of the <code dir=ltr>ext.CodeMirror.switch</code> hook was also deprecated in March 2025. Contributors can now make their scripts or gadgets compatible with CodeMirror 6. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror#Gadgets and user scripts|migration guide]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T373720] * The MediaWiki Interfaces team is expanding coverage of REST API module definitions to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:REST API/Extensions|extension APIs]]. REST API modules are groups of related endpoints that can be independently managed and versioned. Modules now exist for [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T414470 GrowthExperiments] and [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419053 Wikifunctions] APIs. As we migrate extension APIs to this structure, documentation will move out of the main MediaWiki OpenAPI spec and REST Sandbox view, and will instead be accessible via module-specific options in the dropdown on the [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RestSandbox REST Sandbox] (i.e., [[{{#Special:RestSandbox}}]], available on all wiki projects). * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto|Scribunto]] extension provides different pieces of information about the wiki where the module is being used via the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual|mw.site]] library. Starting last week, the library also provides a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#mw.site.wikiId|way]] of accessing the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Wiki ID|wiki ID]] that can be used to facilitate cross-wiki module maintenance. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146616] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.20|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Coolest Tool Award|2026 Coolest Tool Award]] celebrating outstanding community tools, is now open for nominations! Nominate your favorite tool using the [https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/435684?lang=en nomination survey] form by 23 March 2026. For more information on privacy and data handling, please see the [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Coolest_Tool_Award_2026_Survey_Privacy_Statement|survey privacy statement]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/12|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W12"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:36, 16 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30260505 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-13 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Etruscan sculpture]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Frontone A del grande tempio di luni con concilio degli dei, 175-150 ac. ca. 01.JPG|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Etruscan sculpture''' was one of the most important artistic expressions of the Etruscan people, who inhabited the regions of Northern Italy and Central Italy between about the 9th century BC and the 1st century BC. Etruscan art was largely a derivation of Greek art, although developed with many characteristics of its own. Given the almost total lack of Etruscan written documents, a problem compounded by the paucity of information on their language—still largely undeciphered—it is in their art that the keys to the reconstruction of their history are to be found, although Greek and Roman chronicles are also of great help. Like its culture in general, Etruscan sculpture has many obscure aspects for scholars, being the subject of controversy and forcing them to propose their interpretations always tentatively, but the consensus is that it was part of the most important and original legacy of Italian art and even contributed significantly to the initial formation of the artistic traditions of ancient Rome. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30245038 --> == Tech News: 2026-13 == <section begin="technews-2026-W13"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/13|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Wikimedia site users can now log in without a password using passkeys. This is a secure method supported by fingerprint, facial recognition, or PIN. With this change, all users who opt for passwordless login will find it easier, faster, and more secure to log in to their accounts using any device. The new passkey login option currently appears as an autofill suggestion in the username field. An additional [[phab:T417120|"Log in with passkey" button]] will soon be available for users who have already registered a passkey. This update will improve security and user experience. The [[c:File:Passwordless_login_screencast.webm|screen recording]] demonstrates the passwordless login process step by step. * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/Server switch|All wikis will be read-only]] for a few minutes on Wednesday, 25 March 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1774450800 15:00 UTC]. This is for the datacenter server switchover backup tests, [[wikitech:Deployments/Yearly calendar|which happen twice a year]]. During the switchover, all Wikimedia website traffic is shifted from one primary data center to the backup data center to test availability and prevent service disruption even in emergencies. '''Updates for editors''' * Wikimedia site users can now export their notifications older than 5 years using a [[toolforge:echo-chamber|new Toolforge tool]]. This will ensure that users retain their important notifications and avoid them being lost based on the planned change to delete notifications older than 5 years, as previously announced. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383948] * Wikipedia editors in Indonesian, Thai, Turkish, and Simple English now have access to Special:PersonalDashboard. This is an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Moderator Tools/Dashboard|early version of an experience]] that introduces newer editors to patrolling workflows, making it easier for them to move from making edits to participating in more advanced moderation work on their project. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T402647] * The [[Special:Block]] now has two minor interface changes. Administrators can now easily perform indefinite blocks through a dedicated radio button in the expiry section. Also, choosing an indefinite expiry provides a different set of common reasons to select from, which can be changed at: [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-indef-dropdown]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T401823] * Mobile editors [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#Logged-out|at several wikis]] can now see an improved logged-out edit warning, thanks to the recent updates from the Growth team. These changes released last week are part of ongoing efforts and tests to enhance [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments|account creation experience on mobile]] and then increase participation. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T408484] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:36}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:36|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the bug that prevented mobile web users from seeing the block information when affected by multiple blocks has been fixed. They can now see messages of all the blocks currently affecting them when they access Wikipedia. '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Images built using Toolforge will soon get the upgraded buildpacks version, bringing support for newer language versions and other upstream improvements and fixes. If you use Toolforge Build Service, review the recent [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/cloud-announce@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EMYTA32EV2V5SQ2JIEOD2CL66YFIZEKV/ cloud-announce email] and update your build configuration as necessary to ensure your tools are compatible. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Toolforge/Building_container_images&oldid=2392097#Buildpack_environment_upgrade_process][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380127] * The [https://api.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page API Portal] documentation wiki will shut down in June 2026. API keys created on the API Portal will continue to work normally. api.wikimedia.org endpoints will be deprecated gradually starting in July 2026. Documentation on the API Portal is moving to [[mw:Wikimedia APIs|mediawiki.org]]. Learn more on the [[wikitech:API Portal/Deprecation|project page]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.21|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes|WMDE Technical Wishes]] is considering improvements to [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names|automatically generated reference names in VisualEditor]]. Please check out the [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names#Proposed solutions|proposed solutions]] and participate in the [[m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names#Request for comment|request for comment]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/13|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W13"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30268305 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-14 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Pulse (nightclub)]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Orlando FL Pulse Nightclub01.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Pulse''' was a gay bar, dance club, and nightclub in Orlando, Florida, founded in 2004 by Barbara Poma and Ron Legler. On June 12, 2016, the club was the scene of the second-deadliest mass shooting by a single gunman in U.S. history, and the second-deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since the September 11 attacks. Forty-nine people were killed and 58 other people were injured. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30306870 --> == Tech News: 2026-14 == <section begin="technews-2026-W14"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/14|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Beta version of [[abstract:|Abstract Wikipedia]] a new Wikimedia project which is language-independent, was launched last week. The project allows communities to build Wikipedia articles in their native language, which can be readily accessed by other users in their own languages. The wiki is powered by instructions from Wikifunctions and also based on structured content from Wikidata. [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-03-26|Read more]]. '''Updates for editors''' * The Growth team is running an A/B test to evaluate a clearer, more user-friendly message that promotes account creation on wikis. Currently when logged-out mobile users begin editing, they see a jarring warning message that can feel abrupt and discouraging. This also presents temporary account editing as the default rather than encouraging account creation. The test is running on ten Wikipedias, including Arabic, French, Spanish and German. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#2. Improve logged-out warning message (T415160)|Read more]]. * The Wikimedia Apps team is inviting feedback on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Future of Editing on the Mobile Apps|how editing should work on the Wikipedia mobile apps]]. The discussion focuses on improving how users access editing tools when they tap "Edit". This is part of a broader effort to convert readers who develop an interest in editing, to access a more user-friendly pathway to start contributing. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:45}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:45|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where citation fetching from the large newspaper archive [https://www.newspapers.com Newspapers.com] was no longer working, due to a block in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid|Citoid]] requests, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419903] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.22|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/14|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W14"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30329462 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-15 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Tofana di Rozes]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Tofana di Rozes 04.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Tofana di Rozes''' (3,225 metres (10,581 ft)) is a mountain of the Dolomites in the Province of Belluno, Veneto, Italy. Located west of the resort of Cortina d'Ampezzo, the mountain's giant three-edged pyramid shape and its vertical south face, above the Falzarego Pass, makes it the most popular peak in the Tofane group, and one of the most popular in the Dolomites. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30306870 --> == Tech News: 2026-15 == <section begin="technews-2026-W15"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/15|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]] now includes a new group goal-setting feature, enabling organizers to set and track event goals such as the number of articles created and participating contributors in real time. Similarly, participants can work toward shared targets and see their collective impact as the event unfolds. The feature is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Learn more in [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Registration/Collaborative contributions#Goal setting|the documentation]]. * [[File:Maki-gift-15.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] The new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist labels|watchlist labels]] feature (announced in [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/07|Tech News 2026-07]]) is now available via VisualEditor, the source editor, and the 'watchstar' (or watch link, for skins that don't have a star icon). Previously it was only possible to assign labels via [[Special:EditWatchlist|EditWatchlist]]. In all three places it is a new field following the expiry field. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:23}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:23|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where talk pages on mobile with Parsoid are unusable after empty section headers, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419171] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|sub-referencing feature]], which lets editors add details to an existing reference without duplicating it, will be gradually rolled out to [[phab:T414094|more wikis]] later this year. Wikis using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]] gadget are encouraged to update their version (typically at [[m:MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js]] as shown [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1344408362 here]) to ensure compatibility. Other reference-related gadgets may also be affected. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416304] * All Wikinews editions will be closed and switched to read-only mode on 4 May 2026. Content will remain accessible, but no new edits or articles can be added. This closure was approved by the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation following extended discussions. [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard#Board of Trustees Approves Closure of Wikinews|Read more]]. * The [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Action API|Action API]] has had several formats for requested output. One of them, <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>format=php</nowiki></code></bdi>, is being removed soon. Please ensure your scripts or bots use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/API:Data formats#Output|JSON format]]. This removal should affect very few scripts and bots. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118538] * The [[Special:NamespaceInfo|Special:NamespaceInfo]] page now includes namespace aliases. For example "WP" for the "Project" ("Wikipedia") namespace on the German Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381455] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.23|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/15|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W15"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 16:19, 6 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30362761 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-16 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Very-low-calorie diet]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Green smoothie (8222465502).jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> A '''very-low-calorie diet''' (VLCD), also known as semistarvation diet and crash diet, is a type of diet with very or extremely low daily food energy consumption. VLCDs are defined as a diet of 800 kilocalories (3,300 kJ) per day or less. Modern medically supervised VLCDs use total meal replacements, with regulated formulations in Europe and Canada which contain the recommended daily requirements for vitamins, minerals, trace elements, fatty acids, protein and electrolyte balance. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:56, 13 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30306870 --> == Tech News: 2026-16 == <section begin="technews-2026-W16"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/16|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Experienced editors are invited to [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Main_Page test] the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|Article guidance]] feature, designed to help less-experienced editors create well-structured, policy-compliant Wikipedia articles. Testing instructions are [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Test feature guide|available]]. Also, after reviewing [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Category:Pages_using_article_guidance the outlines], please provide feedback on the [[mw:Talk:Article guidance|project talk page]]. Based on your input, the feature will be refined and transferred to the pilot Wikipedias to translate and adapt. Check out [[c:File:Article Guidance workflow demo - April 2026.webm|the video]] explaining the feature. '''Updates for editors''' * On most wikis, all autoconfirmed users can now use [[Special:ChangeContentModel|Special:ChangeContentModel]] page to [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:ChangeContentModel|create new pages with custom content models]], such as mass message lists, making custom page formats more accessible. Check [[Special:ListGroupRights|Special:ListGroupRights]] for the status of your wiki. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248294] * The Growth team has launched an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account_Creation_Experiments|account creation experiment]] to evaluate whether adding an account creation button to the mobile web header increases new account registrations and encourages more mobile users to contribute to the wikis. The experiment is currently live on Hindi, Indonesian, Bengali, Thai, and Hebrew Wikipedia, and targets 10% of logged-out mobile web users. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where VisualEditor could get stuck loading on Windows devices with animations turned off, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T382856] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * Starting later this week, {{int:group-abusefilter}} who have the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]] beta feature enabled will have [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] as the editor at [[Special:AbuseFilter|Special:AbuseFilter]]. This is part of the broader effort to make the user experience more consistent across all editors. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T399673][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332] * Tools and bots that access the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Notifications/API|Notifications API]] (<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>action=query&meta=notifications</nowiki></code></bdi>) will need to update their OAuth or BotPassword grants to also include access to private notifications. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T421991] * Due to a library upgrade, listings on category pages may be displayed out of order starting on Monday, 20th April. A migration script will be run to correct this, and will take hours to days depending on the size of the wiki (up to a week for English Wikipedia). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T422544] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.24|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/16|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W16"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:19, 13 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30380527 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-17 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Chromodoris willani]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Babosa de mar (Chromodoris willani), Anilao, Filipinas, 2023-08-24, DD 34.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''''Chromodoris willani''''', commonly known as Willan's chromodoris, is a species of sea slug, a dorid nudibranch, a shell-less marine gastropod mollusk in the family Chromodorididae. The species is named for the renowned nudibranch taxonomist Dr. Richard C. Willan. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30430366 --> == Tech News: 2026-17 == <section begin="technews-2026-W17"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/17|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * After two years of development, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|{{int:codemirror-beta-feature-title}}]], also known as [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror 6]], is to be promoted out of beta on Tuesday, April 21. It brings better code and wikitext readability, reduction in typing errors, and other [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|benefits]] to all users of the standard syntax highlighter. A huge thank you to volunteer [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Bhsd/ Bhsd] who developed many of the new features, including [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Code folding|code folding]], [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Autocompletion|autocompletion]], and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror#Linting|linting]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259059] * A major update to the Wikipedia app for iOS is now rolling out, redesigning the interface to align with Apple's latest "Liquid Glass" visual design. [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wikipedia/id324715238 Download the latest version] and explore the update. '''Updates for editors''' * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/WE3.3.4 Reading lists|Reading lists]] is a feature which allows readers to save articles to a list for reading later. This feature is now in beta on Arabic, French, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and Chinese Wikipedias and by default for all new accounts on all Wikipedias. * An experiment which explores extending [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Mobile page previews|Page Previews to mobile web]] will be launched in the week of April 20 on Arabic, English, French, Italian, Polish, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. Page Previews are pop-ups that display a thumbnail, lead paragraph, and a link to open the full article of a blue link, thereby improving content discovery. The feature is already available on desktop and in the apps. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/List of experiments in Product and Technology#Template|Read more about this experiment and others]]. * On several wikis, logged-in editors who haven't [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Email confirmation|confirmed their email addresses]] can now see a banner encouraging them to do so. Having the email address confirmed allows a user to restore access to the account if they lose it. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Account Security#Encouraging users to confirm their email addresses|Learn more]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T421366] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:15}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:15|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where editing very large wiki pages in the 2017 wikitext editor caused slow loading, preview and scrolling lag, and performance issues when selecting, cutting, or pasting content, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184857] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As part of the promotion of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] from a beta feature, all users will use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeMirror|CodeMirror]] instead of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CodeEditor|CodeEditor]] for syntax highlighting when editing JavaScript, CSS, JSON, Vue and Lua content pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T419332] * The <code>mirrors.wikimedia.org</code> service for Debian and Ubuntu users will sunset and stop working on May 15. The resources for the service will be replaced with new and better options. Some users may need to switch to a different server which should take about a minute. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/LJYRIS4WB66HIRCAO4GIDTXCMDVZRBMA/ You can read more]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416707] * The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>image</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>oldimage</nowiki></code></bdi> table will be removed from [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|wikireplicas]]. If your tools or queries access <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>image</nowiki></code></bdi> or <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>oldimage</nowiki></code></bdi> directly, please update them to use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>file</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>filerevision</nowiki></code></bdi> table before 28 May. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28741] * Following the recent implementation of global API rate limits on unidentified traffic, the Wikimedia Foundation will continue efforts to ensure [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]] by applying global limits to identified API traffic beginning the last week of April. These limits are intentionally set as high as possible to minimise impact on the community. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, see [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]] and [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits/FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Attribution API|Attribution API]] is now available as a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Stability policy|beta]]. The API fetches information for crediting Wikimedia articles and media files wherever they are used. Reference documentation is available through the REST Sandbox special page available on all Wikimedia wikis (such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?api=attribution.v0-beta&title=Special%3ARestSandbox REST sandbox on English Wikipedia]). Share your feedback on the [[mw:Talk:Attribution API|project talk page]]. * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/17|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W17"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 15:01, 20 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30432763 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-18 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Platypus venom]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Platypus spur.JPG|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The platypus is one of the few living mammals to produce venom. The venom is made in venom glands that are connected to hollow spurs on their hind legs; it is primarily made during the mating season.[1] While the venom's effects are described as extremely painful, it is not lethal to humans. Many archaic mammal groups possess similar tarsal spurs, so it is thought that, rather than having developed this characteristic uniquely, the platypus simply inherited this characteristic from its ancestors. Rather than being a unique outlier, the platypus is the last demonstration of what was once a common mammalian characteristic, and it can be used as a model for non-therian mammals and their venom delivery and properties. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:04, 27 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30449041 --> == Tech News: 2026-18 == <section begin="technews-2026-W18"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/18|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * There is a change in how new users are autoconfirmed that will improve anti-vandalism protection. Currently, users who have had an account for a few days and made a few edits are automatically added to the [[{{int:grouppage-autoconfirmed/{{CONTENTLANGUAGE}}}}|{{int:group-autoconfirmed}}]] group. This configuration tends to be exploited by some vandals, who create accounts and start to use them only after some time. To mitigate this, the configuration will be updated next week so that – for the purpose of becoming autoconfirmed – the account age will be counted from their first edit, instead of registration date. The numeric value of the age threshold will remain the same. This change will be deployed only to wikis which require at least one edit as part of the autoconfirmation conditions. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418484] * All Wikipedia users with new accounts and those who activated the "automatically enable most beta features" option in their preference can now use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/WE3.3.4 Reading lists|reading lists]] beta feature to save articles for later reading. This helps organize reading interests in one place for convenient access. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the issue where infobox images have huge padding in Firefox, has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T423676] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * As a reminder, the global API rate limits will be applied this week to identified API traffic. This is to help ensure [[mw:MediaWiki Product Insights/Responsible Reuse|fair use of infrastructure]]. Bots running in Toolforge/WMCS or with the bot user right on any wiki should not be affected for now. However, all developers are advised to follow updated best practices. For more information, including the actual rate limits, see [[mw:Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits]] and [[mw:Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits/FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.26|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/18|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W18"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 18:06, 27 April 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:UOzurumba (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30458046 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-19 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Kuwait National Assembly Building]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Kuwait City Arabian Gulf Street 10.jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Kuwait National Assembly Building''' is the building that housed the National Assembly of Kuwait. Designed by Danish architect Jørn Utzon in 1972, it was completed in 1982 under the direction of his son Jan. The structural design was by Max Walt. The building was seriously damaged in February 1991 when retreating Iraqi troops set it on fire but has since been restored. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 12:16, 4 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30464799 --> == Tech News: 2026-19 == <section begin="technews-2026-W19"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/19|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance|Article guidance]] team invites experienced editors of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance/Pilot wikis and collaborators|pilot Wikipedias]]—Arabic, Bangla, Japanese, Portuguese, Persian, Turkish, Simple English, Spanish, and French—to help translate and adapt [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Category:Pages_using_article_guidance sample outlines]. These outlines will guide editors in creating clear, well-structured, and policy-compliant articles when using [https://b24e11a4f1.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Special:NewArticle the feature] once it is launched in May 2026. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Article guidance#Adapting a sample outline in a Wikipedia|Simple instructions]] on how to translate and adapt the outlines are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council|Product and Technology Advisory Council]] has published [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Product and Technology Advisory Council/May 2026 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|draft recommendations]] on a model that affiliates can follow when contributing to the technical space. Community members are invited to provide feedback on the recommendation until May 8th [[:m:Talk:Product and Technology Advisory Council/May 2026 draft PTAC recommendation for feedback|on the talk page]]. * The number of available thumbnail size preferences in MediaWiki is being reduced to three standardized options—Small (180px), Regular (250px), and Large (400px), as part of ongoing efforts to improve performance and reduce strain on thumbnail services. As a result, existing preferences will be mapped to the nearest new size (for example, smaller selections like 120px or 150px will render at 180px, while larger ones like 300px or 360px will render at 400px). The preferences interface will soon be updated to reflect these changes, and users who wish to opt out or provide feedback can do so. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424909] * From now on, even when a permission expires automatically, users will receive an Echo notification similar to the standard notification for permission changes. There is a difference between this and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global reminder bot|Global reminder bot]] in that the latter reminds users a week ''before'' the rights are due to expire, so that they can renew the rights. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, the problem where the ULS language selector in [[m:Special:Translate|Special:Translate]] would scroll vertically when it shouldn't, has been resolved. Previously, when users opened the "Translate to English" dropdown and typed certain inputs, the dialog would scroll vertically by a few pixels even when there was enough space to display all results. The dropdown no longer shifts unnecessarily when filtering languages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T358864] * The [[m:Special:GlobalWatchlist|Global Watchlist]], which lets you view your watchlists from multiple wikis on a single page, continues to improve. For example, watchlists for Wikibase sites such as [[:d:|Wikidata]] now support [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:EntitySchema|EntitySchema]] elements for better tracking. The Live Updates mode now refreshes the special page every 60 seconds to comply with the updated [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|global API rate limits]] for improved real-time responsiveness. Additionally, a directionality bug that displayed links as "changes 3" instead of "3 changes" in mixed-direction lists has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T415450][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424422][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418091] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The second phase of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits|global API rate limits]] has been rolled out to reduce the [[diffblog:2026/03/26/quo-vadis-crawlers-progress-and-whats-next-on-safeguarding-our-infrastructure/|impact of AI crawlers]] and ensure fair, sustainable access to Wikimedia resources, prioritising human and mission-aligned traffic. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia APIs/Rate limits#Limits|Limits]] have been shifted from per-hour to per-minute, producing smoother traffic patterns and more predictable API load. Community users are not expected to be affected, and no action is required. Early indications show some User-Agent-based requestors are adjusting behaviour, and around 64% of automated API traffic has been identified. Monitoring continues, and Wikimedia Enterprise remains available for commercial support. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.46/wmf.27|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/19|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W19"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:44, 4 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30498077 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-20 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Macau National Security Law]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Lei relative à defesa da segurança do Estado projecto.JPG|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''Macau National Security Law''' is a law in Macau which prohibits and punishes acts of treason, secession, and subversion against the Central government, as well as preparative acts leading to any of the three acts. Taken into effect on 3 March 2009, the purpose of the law is to fulfil Article 23 of the Macau Basic Law, the de facto constitution of the Macau Special Administration Region. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30513945 --> == Tech News: 2026-20 == <section begin="technews-2026-W20"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/20|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Community Tech has published [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/How to write a good wish|new guidance]] explaining how wishes on Community Wishlist are triaged and prioritized. The documentation is intended to help contributors write stronger proposals by clarifying the factors that influence prioritization decisions. Beyond vote counts, the guidance highlights considerations such as potential impact on the community when determining which wishes move forward. '''Updates for editors''' * The Reader Growth team is launching an experiment to test a new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader_Growth/Share_Card|Share Card feature]] that allows readers to create visually engaging cards from Wikipedia articles or selected article sections and share them online, with each card linking back to the original article to help expand readership and article discovery. The mobile-only A/B test will be available to a portion of readers on Arabic, Chinese, French, Vietnamese, and English Wikipedia to better understand reading and sharing habits, and is scheduled to begin the week of May 18 and run for four weeks. * The Android and iOS Wikipedia apps recently released the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/25th_Birthday_Reading_Challenge|25-day reading challenge]] into Beta, as part of efforts to drive reader engagement by encouraging users to complete reading milestones. To track their reading streak during the challenge, App users can add a widget featuring Baby Globe to their home screen. The challenge officially begins May 11. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:17}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:17|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where the global preference for enabling syntax highlighting in wikitext could unexpectedly disable itself after being turned on, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T425286] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|alt=|Advanced item]] The ResourceLoader module <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>mediawiki.ui.input</nowiki></code></bdi>, deprecated since [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2023/39|September 2023]], will be removed this week. There is a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Migrating_from_MediaWiki_UI|guide for migrating from MediaWiki UI to Codex]] for any tools that use it. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T420125] * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.2|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/20|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W20"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 19:21, 11 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30524429 --> == Tech News: 2026-21 == <section begin="technews-2026-W21"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/21|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * The Abstract Wikipedia team has identified five potential pilot wikis to assess their interest in adopting abstract articles on their wikis. The pilots are Malayalam, Bengali, Dagbani, Arabic, and Indonesian Wikipedia. The feedback period will be open until May 22. If your community is interested in becoming a pilot, [[m:Talk:Abstract Wikipedia|let us know on Meta]]. '''Updates for editors''' * An experiment to show [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/Reading lists|Reading Lists]] to logged-out readers on mobile web will launch on May 18 across German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Polish, Dutch, Turkish, and Urdu Wikipedias, and will run for one month. The effort supports broader goals of helping readers save and organize articles for later reading, while encouraging habits that could lead to future Wikipedia contributions. * To support a bookmark button in the Reading List beta feature, the "Tools > Action" menu has been updated to display icons, including the watch star indicator that helps editors identify temporarily watched articles. The icons now also match those used on mobile, improving consistency across platforms. The change is currently limited to the actions menu and mainly affects editors with privileged user rights. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T426008] * [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/VisualEditor/Suggestion Mode|Suggestion Mode]] was released as an [[w:en:A/B test|A/B test]] for newcomer editors on the mobile website at [[phab:T421189|~15 Wikipedias]]. The experiment will measure the impact that Suggestion Mode has on the proportion of newcomer mobile web edit sessions that result in constructive (un-reverted) article edits. The experiment will also evaluate the feature's impact on editor retention, and monitor changes in revert and block rates. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue in the Wikipedia Android app where images could sometimes fail to load after opening a recommended reading list notification, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T418231] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata Platform|Wikidata Platform team]] has published its [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/Backend Replacement|backend replacement recommendation]] and accompanying [[wikitech:Wikidata Query Service/WDQS Architecture re-design|technical architecture]] for the migration of the Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) away from Blazegraph. Feedback is invited until May 25th 2026, especially on potential gaps and impacts on advanced use cases. Wikidata community members and WDQS users are also encouraged to help identify high-impact tools and workflows that may need attention on [[d:Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update/High-Impact Use Cases|this page]]. Feedback can be shared on the [[d:Wikidata talk:SPARQL query service/WDQS backend update|Migration talk page]] or during the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Blazegraph Migration Office Hours|next office hour]]. See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Wikidata Platform team/Newsletter|WDP team newsletter]] for more details. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.3|MediaWiki]] '''In depth''' * On English, French, Japanese, and a few other Wikipedias, there was a [[diffblog:2025/09/02/better-detecting-bots-and-replacing-our-captcha/|trial of hCaptcha]], a third-party bot detection service. The trial showed that hCaptcha effectively detects and deters some bad-faith automated activity, on its own and by giving [[w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 225#Introducing SuggestedInvestigations|checkusers and stewards]] signals to look into. Because the results were positive, hCaptcha will be rolled out across all wikis over the next few weeks. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity/Anti-abuse signals/hCaptcha|See the hCaptcha project page]] for technical information about the implementation and privacy protections. [[diffblog:2026/05/04/better-detecting-bots-and-replacing-our-captcha-part-2/|Learn more]]. * The latest Community Tech update is now available, with progress across several Community Wishlist initiatives, including Reading Lists expansion from the mobile app to the website, new language support for "Who Wrote That" and the Personal Dashboard, improvements to 3D rendering and Charts, and upcoming work on talk page sorting, audio playback, and editing workflows. The update also shares current priorities, wishlist status trends, and opportunities for community feedback on future focus areas and the Wikimedia Foundation’s 2026–2027 Annual Plan. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist/Updates#May 13, 2026: Latest updates from the Community Tech team|Read the full newsletter for details]]. '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/21|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W21"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 20:22, 18 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30539262 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-21 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Stela of the cactus bearer]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:es:Estela del portador del cactus]])&#32;([[:ca:Estela del portador del cactus]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Estela Wachumero en Chavin.jpg|center|300px]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The '''stela of the cactus bearer''' is a monolith or stele of a single piece of granite, belonging to the Chavín culture of ancient Peru, which remains in its original location on the northwest side of the circular plaza at the archaeological site known as the ceremonial center of Chavín de Huántar in the Ancash region of Peru. It was discovered during the 1972 excavation season by Peruvian archaeologist Luis Guillermo Lumbreras. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 04:05, 21 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30529698 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-22 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Griffith Hughes]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> The Reverend '''Griffith Hughes''' (1707 – c.1758), FRS, was a Welsh naturalist, clergyman, and author. Hughes wrote The Natural History of Barbados, which included the first description of the grapefruit (also known as "The Forbidden Fruit"). His work was praised by Linnaeus, but it has also been considered a "scientific fraud". <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 02:32, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30529698 --> == Tech News: 2026-22 == <section begin="technews-2026-W22"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/22|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Following a [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Contributors/Account Creation Experiments#LOWM|successful account creation experiment]], an improved logged-out edit warning message will be deployed to all Wikimedia wikis in the first week of June. The change will only affect logged-out users on mobile web who open an editing session. The updated experience is designed to encourage account creation more clearly, while still allowing users to edit with temporary accounts. Results from the experiment showed a significant increase in account creation, with a 27% relative lift among users shown the updated message. As expected, as more people funnel into account creation, temporary accounts decreased by a relative 16%. The experiment did not show any significant changes in constructive edit rates or other monitored contributor metrics. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424595] '''Updates for editors''' * For security reasons, members of certain user groups are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|required to have two-factor authentication]] (2FA) enabled. Members of these groups will be unable to disable the last 2FA method on their account, and it will be impossible to add users without 2FA to these groups. Users will still be able to add new authentication methods or remove them, as long as at least one method is continuously enabled. In the next few weeks, users without 2FA will be removed from these groups. Notably, this applies to bureaucrats. See the linked tasks for deployment schedules. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T423119][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T423120] * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes|WMDE Technical Wishes]] will run an [[w:en:A/B testing|A/B test]] on [[:phab:T415904|10 wikis]], testing [[m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/Reference Previews|potential improvements for Reference Previews]]. The experiment will run for ~2 weeks at the end of May / beginning of June and will affect 10% of desktop readers on the participating wikis. * After two successful experiments, the Reader Growth team is rolling out an [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Image Browsing|Image Browsing]] beta feature for all Wikipedias on mobile on May 25. This means that anyone who has all beta features on by default will start to see this feature, and others can check the box to turn it on in their preferences. The beta feature will include a carousel of all an article's images at the top of the article, with controls for editors to [[mw:Readers/Reader_Growth/Image_Browsing#Phase_2.1_beta_feature|exclude images from the article's carousel or to exclude an article from the feature entirely]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:30}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:30|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, three dimensional STL files were being rendered incorrectly by the media viewer 3D extension which is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T416723] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * The legacy CSS classes <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>tleft</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>tright</nowiki></code></bdi> have been replaced with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatleft</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatright</nowiki></code></bdi> as the former do not work consistently across all MediaWiki platforms, notably mobile web and mobile apps. Projects relying on these classes are encouraged to review related usage and plan for migration. Please note that <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatleft</nowiki></code></bdi> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><code><nowiki>floatright</nowiki></code></bdi> may also be deprecated in future, although there are currently no plans to do so. [[phab:T426452|Read more]]. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.4|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/22|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W22"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:52, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30584502 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-23 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:en:Umuganda]]'''<br /> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:Umuganda"Rwandan community work".jpg|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> '''Umuganda''' is a national holiday in Rwanda taking place on the last Saturday of every month for mandatory nationwide community service from 08:00 to 11:00. Participation in Umuganda is required by law; failure to participate can result in a fine. The program was most recently re-established under President Paul Kagame in 2009, having resulted in a notable improvement in the cleanliness of Rwanda. Also, there are other informal Umuganda day activities that occur in the middle of the month. These activities are initiated by either society or the government. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:55, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30529698 --> == Tech News: 2026-23 == <section begin="technews-2026-W23"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/23|Translations]] are available. '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience|Reader Experience team]] is conducting an experiment to show the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/Reading lists|reading lists]] feature, which is still in development, to logged-out mobile readers to test whether it encourages account creation at a higher rate compared to the watchstar button. The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Experience/Reading lists#Experiment timeline|experiment]] was launched on May 18th on German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Polish, Dutch, Turkish, and Urdu wikis, and it will run for a month. * The Wikimedia Apps team released [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Explore Feed Refresh/Phase 1|Phase 1]] of the redesigned Home Feed to the Android Beta app. The new Home Feed includes a refreshed "Community" tab and a personalized "For You" tab featuring daily updated reading recommendations. The redesign is part of a broader effort to improve content discovery and create more engaging learning experiences in the Wikipedia apps. * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:18}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:18|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, an issue where images could fail to load for some suggested edits on [[w:Special:Homepage|Special:Homepage]], leaving the thumbnail stuck in a loading state, has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T424048] '''Updates for technical contributors''' * [[File:Reload icon with two arrows.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.47/wmf.5|MediaWiki]] '''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]]&nbsp;• [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/23|Translate]]&nbsp;• [[m:Tech|Get help]]&nbsp;• [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]]&nbsp;• [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].'' </div><section end="technews-2026-W23"/> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]</bdi> 21:09, 1 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:STei (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=30613639 --> == Wikipedia translation of the week: 2026-24 == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" style="width:100%; margin:0; background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#BBBBBB); padding .4em;color: inherit;"> <div style="text-align:center;">The winner this [[m:Translation of the week/2026 translations|Translation of the week]] is <div style="font-size:140%;">'''[[:it:Juryeonggu]]'''<br /> <small>''([[:kr:주령구]])&#32;([[:ja:酒令具]])''</small> </div> Please be bold and help translate this article! </div> ---- [[File:주령구의 발굴 당시 사진.png|300px|center]] <div style="text-align:left; padding: .4em;"> Il '''Juryeonggu''' (주령구?, 酒令具?, JuryeongguLR, ChuryŏngguMR) è un dado a 14 facce, risalente al periodo del Silla unificato (668-935 d.C.), ritrovato nel 1975 dopo alcuni scavi occorsi presso il Donggung e lo stagno Wolji di Gyeongju, in Corea del Sud. Le facce del dado mostravano inscrizioni recanti varie penalità o sfide, legate ad un gioco di bevute, dimostrando l'importanza dell'alcool e la raffinatezza con cui la sua assunzione veniva celebrata. L'artefatto originale è andato perduto, incendiato in un maldestro tentativo di preservazione: oggi ne esistono delle repliche, disponibili anche commercialmente. <small>(Please update the interwiki links on [[d:|Wikidata]] of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.)</small> ---- [[File:TOTW.svg|24px|]] ''[[m:Translation of the week|About]] · '''[[m:Translation of the week/Translation candidates|Nominate/Review]]''' · [[m:Translation of the week/MassMessage|Subscribe/Unsubscribe]] · [[m:MassMessage|Global message delivery]]'' </div> </div> --[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaWiki message delivery|contribs]]) 01:20, 8 June 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Shizhao@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translation_of_the_week/MassMessage&oldid=30622359 --> == Tech News: 2026-24 == <section begin="technews-2026-W24"/><div class="plainlinks"> Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2026/24|Translations]] are available. '''Weekly highlight''' * Wikimedia Enterprise has increased the free usage limits for its API offerings. The monthly request limit for the On-demand API has increased from 5,000 to 50,000 requests, while the Snapshot API limit has increased from 15 to 30 requests per month. In addition, Structured Contents snapshots are now available for free accounts. These changes expand access to Wikimedia Enterprise data for developers, researchers, and organizations using Wikimedia content. [https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/blog/enhanced-free-api] '''Updates for editors''' * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Explore Feed Refresh/Phase 1|refreshed Explore Feed]], now called the Home Feed, is rolling out to 50% of users of the Wikipedia Android app. The Home Feed helps readers discover relevant content through two new tabs: ''Community'' and ''For You''. The Community tab provides a scrollable feed of curated content and updates from the broader Wikimedia community and movement, while the ''For You'' tab offers a full-screen, swipeable experience that shows content tailored to a user's interests. The redesign is part of a broader effort to improve discovery and enhance the learning experience in the Wikipedia app. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/"Which came first?" Game|Which came first?]] daily trivia game is now available in the beta version of the Wikipedia iOS app in English, German, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish. The game uses historical events from Wikipedia's "On This Day" content and challenges readers to guess which of two events happened first. The game was previously released on Android. Communities interested in making the game available in their languages can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Games#Game availability by language|read the instructions and requirements]]. * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing|Sub-referencing]], a new MediaWiki feature that allows editors to reuse references with different details, will begin rolling out to Wikimedia wikis following a successful pilot phase. Deployment will start on 8 June for most [[wikitech:Deployments/Train#Wednesday|Group 1 wikis]] and French Wikipedia, with additional Wikipedia language editions receiving the feature over the coming months. Communities are encouraged to prepare by checking for [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&group=ext-cite&language=en&action_source=search&filter=%21translated&optional=1&action=translate untranslated Cite extension messages] in their language and reviewing any use of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reference Tooltips|Reference Tooltips]], which may require [[:phab:T416304#11668731|updates]] to support the new functionality. Wikis using [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Reference Previews|Reference Previews]] do not need to take any action. Communities may also wish to create the ''cite-tracking-category-ref-details'' [[Special:TrackingCategories|tracking category]] as a hidden category using <code><nowiki>__HIDDENCAT__</nowiki></code> (or a dedicated template), and connect it to the corresponding Wikidata item [[d:Q129764848]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T425662] * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Readers/Reader Growth/Mobile page previews#Experimentation|Page Previews experiment]] on mobile web has concluded. The team decided not to roll out the feature after the results showed no statistically significant impact on reader retention, as the primary success metric was retention improvement. Page Previews, which are already available on desktop and in the apps, display a thumbnail, lead paragraph, and link to the full article when readers tap a blue link. The experiment tested this experience on mobile web across six Wikipedias. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Codex/Design/Icons|user interface icon library]] will be [[phab:T399175|updated later this week or next week]]. Most of the ~300 icons have been slightly refined and ~30 new icons have been added. These changes improve the icons to make them more consistent and comprehensible, and provide more visual balance when they are used in groups. * The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Language Selector|Universal Language Selector]] (ULS) interface in MediaWiki, which helps users select content in other languages, has been updated. The new version improves speed and accessibility, and users of Wikimedia projects can now pin languages for quicker language switching. The deployment to Wikimedia sites will happen gradually in the coming weeks. 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This set contains 73 problems (8 '''Conceptual Questions''' + 64 '''Exercises''' + 1 '''Project''') ==Conceptual Questions== '''<u>Q2.1</u> (Are they the Same?)''' Is “3 less than a number” the same thing as “the difference of 3 and a number”? What about "3 more than a number" and "the sum of 3 and a number"? Explain your reasoning in both cases. '''<u>Q2.2</u> (Coefficients)''' Does the expression x + 2 have any coefficients for x? What about the expression yx + 2, where any number can take the place of y? If so, identify the coefficient of x in each expression? If not, explain your reasoning. '''<u>Q2.3</u> (Zero as a Constant Term?)''' An expression like x + y can be rewritten as x + y + 0. If this is the case, is it necessarily true that zero is a constant term for any given expression? '''<u>Q2.4</u> (Grammar in Mathematics)''' If mathematical expressions are analogous to "nouns" in a language, what part(s) of a mathematical expression is/are analogous to "verbs"? What part(s) are analogous to "conjunctions"? '''<u>Q2.5</u> (Set of Sets)''' Give three examples of sets whose elements are sets. '''<u>Q2.6</u> (Set of Sets of Sets)''' Give an example of a set whose elements are sets of sets. '''<u>Q2.7</u> (Multiplication and the Distributive Law)''' Point out in what sense the usual arrangement of the multiplication of 365 and 392 is an instance of the Distributive Law. '''<u>Q2.8</u> (Box of Blocks)''' Amanda and Billy stack a pile of blocks to build a box pictured on the left, and would like to figure out how many blocks they used. Since the box is solid, each layer has the same number of blocks as the top layer. Amanda states that there are 4 x 5 = 20 blocks on the top, and since there are 4 layers below it, she says there are 20 x 5 blocks total. Who is correct? ==Exercises== ===Section 2.1=== (★) '''<u>2.1</u> (Writing/Simplifying Expressions)''' Write an expression that best represents the following. '''1.''' The sum of a and 3. (★) '''<u>2.2</u> (Evaluating Expressions)''' Evaluate each expression for the given variable value. {|style="border-spacing: 3em .5em;" |- |<math>1.\ x + 3,\ x = 3</math> |<math>2.\ 10x - 3,\ x = 3</math> |<math>3.\ 4a - 2,\ a = 9</math> |<math>4.\ \frac{-n-1}{3},\ n=11</math> |<math>5.\ \frac{-b-2}{7},\ b=5</math> |- |<math>6.\ </math> |<math>7.\ </math> |<math>8.\ </math> |<math>9.\ </math> |<math>10.\ </math> |- |<math>11.\ </math> |<math>12.\ </math> |<math>13.\ </math> |<math>14.\ </math> |<math>15.\ </math> |- |<math>16.\ </math> |<math>17.\ </math> |<math>18.\ </math> |<math>19.\ </math> |<math>20.\ </math> |- |} (★) '''<u>2.3</u> (Anatomy of a Mathematical Expression)''' Look at the expression below. Define all of the simplified expression's terms, variables, coefficents, and constants. {{center|<math>3x^2 + 4y + y + 6</math>}} (★) '''<u>2.4</u> (Constants and Variables)''' Letters will be given to represent various numbers. Decide if the following quantities should be referred to as variables or constants. <math>a.\ T</math>, the temperature outside of your house.<br> <math>b.\ F</math>, the number of fingers on an average person's hand.<br> <math>c.\ P</math>, the price of a gallon of gas.<br> <math>d.\ L</math>, the number of leaves on a tree.<br> <math>e.\ S</math>, the number of sides on a rectangle.<br> <math>f.\ I</math>, the number of inches in a foot.<br> <math>g.\ Y</math>, the number of years since the last moon landing.<br> <math>h.\ D</math>, the number of donuts in an unopened box of a dozen.<br> <math>i.\ W</math>, the number of windows open on your computer screen.<br> <math>j.\ R</math>, the number of problems in this book you have attempted.<br> ===Section 2.2=== (★) '''<u>2.5</u> (Writing Mathematical Sentences)''' Write a sentence that best represents the following. ===Section 2.3=== (★) '''<u>2.6</u> (Identifying Mathematical Statements)''' Which of the following sentences are statements? '''1.''' Eat your vegetables!<br> '''2.''' Aaron ate his vegetables.<br> '''3.''' Every rectangle is a parallelogram. ===Section 2.4=== ===Section 2.5=== (★★) <nowiki>*</nowiki>'''<u>2.7</u> (Square Root of 3)''' Prove that <math>\sqrt{3}</math> is an irrational number. (★★) <nowiki>*</nowiki>'''<u>2.8</u> (Chess Board I)''' (★★) <nowiki>*</nowiki>'''<u>2.9</u> (Chess Board II)''' (★★★) <nowiki>*</nowiki>'''<u>2.10</u> (Density Property of Real Numbers)''' The ''Density Property of Real Numbers'' states that between any two real numbers, there is another real number. Use this property to prove that there are infinitely many real numbers between 0 and 1. ===Section 2.6=== (★) '''<u>2.11</u> (Element or Not?)''' Determine if the number 10 is an element in the following sets. <b>1.</b> <math>\{4, 5, 6,...,15\}</math><br> <b>2.</b> <math>\{1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...\}</math><br> <b>3.</b> <math>\{1, \frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{4}, \frac{1}{8},...\}</math><br> <b>4.</b> <math>\{x|x\ is\ a\ whole\ number\ greater\ than\ 11\}</math><br> <b>5.</b> <math>\{x|x\ is\ a\ whole\ even\ number\}</math><br> <b>6.</b> The set <math>C</math> made up of composite numbers<br> (★) '''<u>2.12</u> (Roster Notation)''' Each of the sets below are defined using roster notation. <b>i.</b> <math>\{1, 4, 9, 16, 25...\}</math><br> <b>ii.</b> <math>\{0, 4, 8,...,96, 100\}</math><br> <b>iii.</b> <math>\{3, 9, 15, 21, 27...\}</math><br> <b>iv.</b> <math>\{..., -\pi^4, -\pi^3, -\pi^2, -\pi, 1\}</math><br> <b>1.</b> Determine four other elements that may appear in the sets above.<br> <b>2.</b> Use set builder notation to describe the sets above. (★) '''<u>2.13</u> (Sorting Automobiles)''' Construct a Venn Diagram which illustrates the possible unions and intersections of the following sets relative to the universal set consisting of automobiles made in the United States. <center><math>F: Four door, S: Sunroof, P: Power steering</math></center> (★) '''<u>2.14</u> (Relating Types of Numbers)''' Refer to the section '''Types of Numbers''' in '''Section 1.8'''. Create a Venn Diagram which shows how each of the number types listed are related to each other. (★) '''<u>2.15</u> (Working with Sets I)''' Let <math>U = \{0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13\}</math>, <math>M = \{0, 2, 4, 6, 8\}</math>, <math>N = \{1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13\}</math>, <math>Q = \{0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12\}</math>, and <math>R = \{0, 1, 2, 3, 4\}</math>. Use these sets to find the following. (★) '''<u>2.16</u> (Working with Sets II)''' Let <math>U = \{copper, sodium, nitrogen, potassium, uranium, oxygen, zinc\}</math>, <math>A = \{copper, sodium, zinc\}</math>, <math>B = \{sodium, nitrogen, potassium\}</math>, <math>C = \{oxygen\}</math>. Use these sets to find the following. (★★) '''<u>2.17</u> (Working with Sets III)''' If <math>U = \{x|0<x<12\}</math>, <math>M = \{x|1<x<9\}</math>, and <math>N = \{x|0<x<5\}</math>. Use these sets to find the following. (★★) '''<u>2.18</u> (Working with Sets IV)''' Suppose <math>A</math>, <math>B</math>, and <math>C</math> are subsets of the universal set <math>U</math>. Using Venn Diagrams, shade the areas that represent the following. (★) '''<u>2.19</u> (Working with Subscripts)''' For a whole number <math>j</math>, <math>x_j = (-1)^j</math>. Find the value of <math>x_0</math>, <math>x_1</math>, and <math>x_{183}</math>. (★) '''<u>2.20</u> (List of Numbers)''' Refer to the set of numbers below, and use it to answer the following questions. <center><math>x = \{5, 11, 14, 9, 3, 25, 16, 8, 1, 11, 68, 63, 43, 99, 35, 100\}</math></center> '''1.''' In the set, which number is represented by <math>x_3</math>?<br> '''2.''' In the set, which number is represented by <math>x_{10}</math>?<br> '''3.''' What symbol(s) can be used to represent the number 25 in the list?<br> '''4.''' What symbol(s) can be used to represent the number 11 in the list?<br> '''5.''' What number represents <math>n</math> in <math>x_n</math>?<br> '''6.''' What value does <math>x_n</math> take? '''<u>2.21</u> (Average)''' Use subscript notation to write an expression which represents the average of <math>n</math> numbers. ===Section 2.7=== (★★) '''<u>2.22</u> (Gauss's Trick)''' In the late 1700s, the kindergarten class of the mathematician Carl Fredrich Gauss was asked to find the sum of all of the natural numbers between 1 and 100. While most of the class had struggled with this seemingly impossible task, Gauss was able to determine the solution to this problem rather quickly. '''1.''' How was he able to do this? '''2.''' We can use techniques similar to Gauss' in order to find the sum of several numbers. Can you find the following? '''i.''' <math>1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... + 201</math><br> '''ii.''' <math>2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + ... + 200</math><br> '''iii.''' <math>101 + 102 + 103 + ... + 998 + 999 + 1000</math><br> '''iv.''' <math>9 + 12 + 15 + ... + 54 + 57 + 60</math> (★) '''<u>2.23</u> (Using the Distributive Property)''' Use the Distributive Property to simplify these expressions. <math>a.\ 2(14x - 26)</math><br> <math>b.\ (2/3)(3x + 9)</math><br> <math>c.\ 3(12x + 4y)</math><br> <math>d.\ 2(5x - 6) + 3(3x + 2)</math><br> <math>e.\ (4x + 7)(2x - 3)</math><br> <math>f.\ (x + 1)(x + 2)(x + 3)</math> (★★) '''<u>2.24</u> (Distribution with Three Terms)''' What is the coefficient of y in the expansion of the expression below? <math>(5x+2y-4)(2x+7y+3)</math> (★) '''<u>2.25</u> (Closure of a Set)''' Two letters from the set <math>\{a, b, c, d, e\}</math> are chosen and multiplied together. The results after doing this are as follows: {| class="wikitable" ! * || a || b || c || d || e |- |'''a''' || b || c || e || a || d |- |'''b''' || d || a || c || b || e |- |'''c''' || c || d || b || e || a |- |'''d''' || a || e || d || c || b |- |'''e''' || e || b || a || d || c |} Is the set closed under multiplication? (★) '''<u>2.26</u> (Closure of Operators)''' Complete the following table which represents the closure properties of operations with different types of numbers. Use a check mark to represent closure, and a cross to represent no closure. {| class="wikitable" ! || Addition || Subtraction || Multiplcation || Division || Exponentiation || Root |- |ℕ || || || || || || |- |𝕎 || || || || || || |- |ℤ || || || || || || |- |ℚ || || || || || || |- |𝕀 || || || || || || |- |ℝ || || || || || || |} '''<u>2.27</u> (Determining Properties of Real Numbers)''' Determine if the following statements are always, sometimes, or never true. If the statement is always true, explain your reasoning. If the statement is not always true, provide a [[Mathematical Proof/Methods of Proof/Counterexamples|counterexample]]. <math>a.\ An\ integer\ is\ a\ whole\ number.</math><br> <math>b.\ If\ a\ number\ is\ whole\ it\ is\ a\ natural\ number.</math><br> <math>c.\ If\ a\ number\ contains\ a\ decimal\ it\ is\ an\ integer.</math><br> <math>d.\ If\ a\ number\ is\ nautural,\ then\ it\ is\ a\ real\ number.</math><br> <math>e.\ The\ product\ of\ two\ irrational\ numbers\ is\ an\ irrational\ number.</math> '''<u>2.28</u> (Identifying Properties of Real Numbers)''' Identify the following properties being expressed. <math>a.\ 4(3x + 4) = 12x + 16</math><br> <math>b.\ 6 + 0 = 6</math><br> <math>c.\ (2 + 7) + 5 = (2 + 5) + 7</math><br> <math>d.\ (3/4)(4/3) = 1</math><br> <math>e.\ To\ divide\ 3072\ by\ 512,\ you\ can\ divide\ 3072\ by\ 16,\ again\ by\ 8,\ and\ again\ by\ 4.</math> '''<u>2.29</u> (Product Pattern)''' Use the Associative Law to explain why the products in each rule are equal. {| style="border-spacing: 3em .5em;" |- |<math>2*2 = 1*4</math> |- |<math>4*3 = 2*6</math> |- |<math>6*4 = 3*8</math> |- |<math>8*5 = 4*10</math> |- |<math>10*6 = 5*12</math> |- |<math>12*7 = 6*14</math> |- |<math>14*8 = 7*16</math> |} '''<u>2.30</u> (Square of Sum/Difference)''' For two numbers <math>a</math> and <math>b</math>, find the following: <math>a.\ (a + b)^2</math><br> <math>b.\ (a - b)^2</math> '''<u>2.31</u> (Secret of 1001)''' A boy claims that he can figure out the product of any three digit number and 1001. A student in his arithmetic class challenges him to find the product of 1001 and 865, and he gets the correct answer immediately. Compute the answer, and determine the boy's secret. ===Section 2.8=== ===Section 2.9=== ===Section 2.10=== (★) '''<u>2.32</u> (Museum Admissions)''' The total cost to get admission to a museum is 25a + 10c + 8s for a adults, c children, and s seniors. How much does it cost for each adult, child, and senior respectively to get admission? If a family of two adults, three children, and one senior wants to gain admission to the museum, how much would they have to pay in total? (★) '''<u>2.33</u> (Cutting Edge)''' A 12 ft long piece of rope was cut into two pieces of different lengths. Use one variable to represent the lengths of the two pieces. (★) '''<u>2.34</u> (Play Ball!)''' The diameter of a basketball is approximately 4 times of that of a baseball. Express the diameter of a basketball in terms of the diameter of a baseball. (★) '''<u>2.35</u> (Pocket Change)''' Suppose have '''d''' dimes and '''n''' nickels in your pocket. Write an expression which represents the total amount of money you have. Use this expression to figure out how much money you would have if you had 9 dimes and 7 nickels. (★) '''<u>2.36</u> (Units of Temperature I)''' The formula {{center|<math>C = \frac{5}{9}(F-32)</math>}} expresses the relationship between Farenheit temperature, '''F''', and Celcius temperature, '''C'''. Use this equation to convert <math>50^\circ F</math>, <math>86^\circ F</math>, <math>32^\circ F</math>, <math>100^\circ F</math>, and <math>-50^\circ F</math> to their equivalent temperature on the Celcius scale. (★) '''<u>2.37</u> (Units of Temperature II)''' The formula {{center|<math>K = C + 273.15</math>}} expresses the relationship between Celcius temperature, '''C''', and Kelvin temperature, '''K'''. Use this equation to convert <math>-273.15^\circ C</math>, <math>30^\circ C</math>, and <math>100^\circ F</math> to their equivalent temperature on the Kelvin scale. (★★) '''<u>2.38</u> (Chemical Formula for Sugar)''' The chemical formula for glucose (sugar) is <math>C_6H_{12}O_6</math>. This formula means there are 12 hydrogen atoms for every 6 carnon atoms and 6 oxygen atoms in each molecule of glucose. If '''x''' represents the number of atoms in oxygen in a pound of sugar, express the number of hydrogen atoms in the the same pound of sugar. (★) '''<u>2.39</u> (Building Blocks)''' Look at the arrangements of building blocks below. How many blocks will appear in diagram 17? (★) '''<u>2.40</u> (Rows of Seats)''' In an auditorium, the first row has 8 seats, and five extra seats are added in each row afterwards. If the auditorium has 20 rows, how many seats are there in total? (★★) '''<u>2.41</u> (Triangles in Polygons)''' In a triangle, there are three sides. We can obviously observe from this that this contains 1 triangle. In a quadrilateral, there are four sides. We can observe from this that two non-overlapping triangles can be made out of this by dividing it along its corners. In a pentagon, there are five sides. We can observe from this that three non-overlapping trianges can be made out of this by dividing it along its corners. Using this information, how many non-overlapping triangles can you make out of a decagon (10-sided polygon) by dividing it along its corners? (★★) '''<u>2.42</u> (Product of Consecutive Numbers)''' Two numbers are consecutive if they follow each other in numerical order. For example, the numbers 4 and 5 are consecutive because 5 comes after 4. What would be an algebraic representation of the product of two such numbers? (★★) '''<u>2.43</u> (Odd Numbers)''' Write an expression that represents the '''n'''th odd number, '''O'''. (First odd number is 1, Second odd number is 3, and so forth) Afterwards, use this expression to find the 143rd odd number. [[File:FDA Nutrition Facts Label 2016.png|thumb|left]] (★★) '''<u>2.44</u> (Weight-Loss Points)''' Several weight-loss programs assign points to prepared or packaged foods that take into account of the food's fat '''F''', carbohydrate '''C''', protein '''P''', and fiber '''B''' content in grams. The point value for a given food item can be represented by the following expression: {{center|<math>W = \frac{F}{4} + \frac{C}{9} + \frac{P}{10} - \frac{B}{12}</math>}} Determine the point value of one serving of the item having the nutrition facts on the left. (★★) '''<u>2.45</u> (Adjusted Poverty Threshold)''' The adjusted poverty threshold for a single person between 1999 and 2013 can be approximated by the formula {{center|<math>y = 2.719x^2 + 196.1x + 8718</math>}} where x is the number of years since 1999, and where y is the average adjusted poverty threshold. According to the model, what was the average adjusted poverty threshold in 2005? In 2012? (★★) '''<u>2.46</u> (Period of a Pendulum)''' The period t, in seconds, of the swing of a pendulum is given by {{center|<math>t = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{L}{32}}</math>}} where L is the length of the pendulum in feet. Find the period of a pendulum 8 feet long. (★★) '''<u>2.47</u> (Velocity of a Ball)''' A ball is thrown vertically upward. Its velocity t seconds after its release is given by the formula: {{center|<math>v = v_0 - gt </math>}} where v0 is its initial velocity, g is the acceleration due to gravity, and v is the velocity of the ball at time t. '''1.''' Calculate the upward velocity of a ball after 8 seconds on Earth (g = 9.8) after tossing it at a velocity of 5 m/s.<br> '''2.''' Calculate the upward velocity of a ball after 8 seconds on the Moon (g = 1.625) after tossing it at a velocity of 5 m/s. (★★) '''<u>2.48</u> (Isotopes)''' The isotopes of any given chemical element all have the same atomic number (same number of protons), but a differing numbers of neutrons. They are written as the formula: {{center|<math>^{A}_{Z}X^C</math>}} In this notation, X takes the place of the element's symbol, A is its atomic mass, Z is its atomic number, and C is its charge (This number isn't written down if there is a zero charge). From this, we can find: *The number of protons from looking at Z. *The number of electrons from adding Z and C. *The number of neutrons from subtracting Z from A. Use this information to find the number of protons, electrons, and neutrons from the following isotopes. '''1.''' <math>^{19}_{9}F</math><br> '''2.''' <math>^{36}_{17}Cl^{-1}</math><br> ===Section 2.11=== (★) '''<u>2.49</u> (Area of a Rectangle)''' A rectangle has an area of 24 <math>in.^2</math> and a length '''b''' in inches. What does the expression <math>\frac{24}{b}</math> represent? What quantity does the expression <math>2(b + \frac{24}{b})</math> represent? (★) '''<u>2.50</u> (Change in Length)''' Consider an equilateral triangle with sides of length '''s'''. Find the perimeter of the triangle if we increase the lengths of the sides by 5. Find the perimeter if we double the lengths of the sides. (★) '''<u>2.51</u> (Metal Wire)''' A metal wire of length '''x''' is bent into a square. Express the length of a side of the square in terms of x. (★★) '''<u>2.52</u> (Vegetable Garden)''' A rectangular vegetable garden is 12 meters long and 20 meters wide. Surrounding the garden is a gravel path of width '''''w'''''. <br> '''1.''' Write an expression that can be used to find the outer perimeter of the gravel path. <br> '''2.''' If you measure w to be 3 meters, what is the outer perimeter of the path? (★★) '''<u>2.53</u> (Racetrack)''' An Olympic racetrack is made up of two straight sides, each measuring 84.39 meters in length, and two semi-circular curves with a radius of 36.5 meters as pictured. The track has a width of '''w'''.<br> '''1.''' Write an expression that can be used to find the outer perimeter of the racetrack. (Remember that the perimeter of a circle is <math>2\pi r</math>) <br> '''2.''' If you measure that the width of the track is 1.22, what is the outer perimeter of the path? (★★) '''<u>2.54</u> (Cube of p + q)''' As demonstrated in the section, the square of the expression <math>(p + q)</math> can be represented by the diagram below. Use a similar diagram to find the cube of the expression <math>(p + q)</math>. (★★★) '''<u>2.55</u> (Cube of p + q + r)'''<br> '''1.''' Create a diagram that represents the square of <math>(p + q + r)</math>, then use it to find its value.<br> '''2.''' Do the same thing, but for the cube of <math>(p + q + r)</math>. ===Section 2.12=== (★) '''<u>2.56</u> (Evaluating Functions I)''' Evaluate <math>f(x) = x^2</math> at the following values. '''1.''' <math>f(2)</math><br> '''2.''' <math>f(-5)</math><br> (★) '''<u>2.57</u> (Evaluating Functions II)''' Evaluate <math>g(x)</math> at the following values. (★) '''<u>2.58</u> (Evaluating Functions III)''' Evaluate <math>h(x)</math> at the following values. (★) '''<u>2.59</u> (Evaluating Functions IV)''' Evaluate <math>i(x)</math> at the following values. (★) '''<u>2.60</u> (Evaluating Functions V)''' Evaluate <math>j(x)</math> at the following values. (★) '''<u>2.61</u> (Evaluating Functions VI)''' Evaluate <math>k(x)</math> at the following values. (★) '''<u>2.62</u> (Evaluating Functions VII)''' Evaluate <math>l(x)</math> at the following values. (★) '''<u>2.63</u> (Evaluating Functions VIII)''' Evaluate <math>m(x)</math> at the following values. 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[[Special:Contributions/124.43.251.62|124.43.251.62]] ([[User talk:124.43.251.62|discuss]]) 10:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC) 9olei3xva899s4kvaqqod28pdv8ewxk 0 470009 4639367 4627136 2026-06-08T17:39:17Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 Repaired Lua modules and moved sitemap to a second page, so books are now shown on the top 4639367 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{Shelves|Applied mathematics|University level mathematics books}}{{status|50%}}{{Under construction}} [[File:Titelbild MFNF mit Serlo-Logo.jpg|thumb|Title image of the German version by [[commons:User:Olivier Vidal|Olivier Vidal]] |center]] == Books == <div style="column-width: 50em;"> {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|buecher}} </div> = Important note = This book is a translated version of the book project [https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathe_f%C3%BCr_Nicht-Freaks “Mathe für Nicht-Freaks”] on the German version of Wikibooks. Templates and modules do not yet work completely and are in the process of being adjusted. = Table of Contents = This page lists all chapters of the project “Math for Non-Geeks”. This page serves as an overview and the complete navigation and the tables of contents of the individual books are generated from it. {| class="wikitable" |+Legend !Symbol !Meaning |- |red link |Link to a chapter that does not yet exist and has yet to be written. |- |blue link |Chapter has already been created and contains content. |- |{{stage|0%}} |Progress 0% – Chapter has little or no content. The chapter must be rewritten or supplemented and revised. |- |{{stage|25%}} |Progress 25% – Chapter is currently under development, but still needs to be significantly expanded. |- |{{stage|50%}} |Progress 50% – Essential content is available, but important content still needs to be added (there are often ToDo notes on the page that still need to be added). |- |{{stage|75%}} |Progress 75% – Chapter is finished in terms of content, but still needs to be revised (correct spelling mistakes, change wording so that it is easier to understand or sounds better. Remove redundant expressions). |- |{{stage|100%}} |Progress 100% – The chapter is complete and has been proofread at least once. But you can also proofread again. In other words: correct spelling mistakes and improve the wording. These chapters (like all others) can also be supplemented content-wise. |} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Real Analysis|Real Analysis]] == === Help === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Translating chapters|Translating chapters]] * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Guidelines for translation|Guidelines for translation]] * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sitemap|Sitemap]] === Introduction === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/What is analysis?|What is analysis?]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Why studying analysis?|Why studying analysis?]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Propositional logic|Propositional logic]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Mathematical induction|Mathematical induction]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Real numbers|Real numbers]] {{stage|50%}} === Complex numbers === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction and motivation|Introduction and motivation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Definition of complex numbers|Definition of complex numbers]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Absolute value and conjugation|Absolute value and conjugation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Polar representation|Polar representation]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Drawing complex-valued functions|Drawing complex-valued functions]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Complex numbers|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Suprema and infima === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Supremum and infimum|Supremum and infimum]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The infinite case|The infinite case]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/How to prove existence of a supremum or infimum|How to prove existence of a supremum or infimum]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Properties of supremum and infimum|Properties of supremum and infimum]] {{stage|50%}} === Sequences === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sequences|Sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Explicit and recursive description|Explicit and recursive description]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Examples and properties of sequences|Examples and properties of sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Sequences|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Convergence and divergence === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Limit: Convergence and divergence|Limit: Convergence and divergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/How to prove convergence and divergence|How to prove convergence and divergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Examples for limits|Examples for limits]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Unbounded sequences diverge|Unbounded sequences diverge]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Limit theorems|Limit theorems]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The squeeze theorem|The squeeze theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Monotonicity criterion|Monotonicity criterion]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/How to prove convergence for recursive sequences|How to prove convergence for recursive sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Convergence and divergence|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Subsequences, Accumulation points and Cauchy sequences === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subsequences|Subsequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Accumulation points of sequences|Accumulation points of sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Accumulation points of sets|Accumulation points of sets]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem|The Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Divergence to infinity|Divergence to infinity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Divergence to infinity/Rules|Divergence to infinity: Rules]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Superior and inferior limit|Superior and inferior limit]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cauchy sequences|Cauchy sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Subsequences, Accumulation points, and Cauchy sequences|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Series === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Series|Series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Computation rules for series|Computation rules for series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Telescoping sums and series|Telescoping sums and series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Geometric series|Geometric series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Harmonic series|Harmonic series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exponential series|Exponential series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Absolute convergence of a series|Absolute convergence of a series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Rearrangement theorem for series|Rearrangement theorem for series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Series|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Convergence criteria for series === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Overview: Convergence criteria|Overview: Convergence criteria]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cauchy criterion|Cauchy criterion]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Term test|Term test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Bounded series and convergence|Bounded series and convergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Direct comparison test|Direct comparison test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Root test|Root test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Ratio test|Ratio test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Alternating series test|Alternating series test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Cauchy condensation test|Cauchy condensation test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Application of convergence criteria|Application of convergence criteria]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Convergence criteria for series|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Exponential and Logarithm functions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivation and definition of the exponential series|Derivation and definition of the exponential series]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Properties of the exponential series|Properties of the exponential series]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Logarithmic function|Logarithmic function]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Real exponents|Real exponents]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exp and log functions for complex numbers|Exp and log functions for complex numbers]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Exponential and Logarithm functions|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Trigonometric and Hyperbolic functions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Sine and cosine|Sine and cosine]] {{stage|50%}} === Continuity === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Continuity of functions|Continuity of functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Epsilon-delta definition of continuity|Epsilon-delta definition of continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Sequential definition of continuity|Sequential definition of continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Limit of functions|Limit of functions]] {{stage|25%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Proving continuity|Proving continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Proving discontinuity|Proving discontinuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Composition of continuous functions|Composition of continuous functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Extreme value theorem|Extreme value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Intermediate value theorem|Intermediate value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Continuity of the inverse function|Continuity of the inverse function]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Uniform continuity|Uniform continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Lipschitz continuity|Lipschitz continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Continuity|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Differential Calculus === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivatives|Derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Computing derivatives|Computing derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Computing derivatives - special|Computing derivatives - special]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivative - inverse function|Derivative - inverse function]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Examples for derivatives|Examples for derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivatives of higher order|Derivatives of higher order]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Rolle's theorem|Rolle's theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Mean value theorem|Mean value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Constant functions|Constant functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Monotonic functions|Monotonic functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivative and local extrema|Derivative and local extrema]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ L'Hôspital's rule|L'Hôspital's rule]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Overview: continuity and differentiability|Overview: continuity and differentiability]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 1|Exercises 1]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 2|Exercises 2]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 3|Exercises 3]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 4|Exercises 4]] {{stage|50%}} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear algebra|Linear algebra]] == === Vector spaces === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Vector space|Introduction: Vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space|Vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space: properties|Vector space: properties]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Proofs for vector spaces|Proofs for vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Field as a vector space|Field as a vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Coordinate spaces|Coordinate spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sequence spaces|Sequence spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Function spaces|Function spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace|Subspace]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Union and intersection of vector spaces|Union and intersection of vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sum of subspaces|Sum of subspaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Inner direct sum|Inner direct sum]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Complements of vector spaces|Complements of vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cosets of a subspace|Cosets of a subspace]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Quotient space|Quotient space]] {{stage|50%}} === Linear combinations, generators and bases === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear combinations|Linear combinations]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Span|Span]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Generators|Generators]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear independence|Linear independence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Basis|Basis]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Steinitz's theorem|Steinitz's theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Dimension|Dimension]] {{stage|50%}} === Linear maps === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear map|Linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Properties of linear maps|Properties of linear maps]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear continuation|Linear continuation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Proofs for linear maps|Proofs for linear maps]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Monomorphisms|Monomorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Epimorphisms|Epimorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Isomorphisms|Isomorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Endomorphism and Automorphism|Endomorphism and Automorphism]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Image of a linear map|Image of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Kernel of a linear map|Kernel of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space of a linear map|Vector space of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Dual space|Dual space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises Linear Maps|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Matrices === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Matrices|Introduction: Matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Matrix of a linear map|Matrix of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Definition of a matrix|Definition of a matrix]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear systems and matrices|Linear systems and matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space structure on matrices|Vector space structure on matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Matrix multiplication|Matrix multiplication]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Basis change via matrices|Basis change via matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Matrices|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Measure theory|Measure theory]] == === Introduction, basic definitions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Overview: Objects in Measure Theory|Overview: Objects in Measure Theory]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Volumes on rings|Volumes on rings]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Continuity of volumes on rings|Continuity of volumes on rings]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Pre-measures and measures|Pre-measures and measures]] {{stage|50%}} === Constructing measures === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Constructing measures: overview|Constructing measures: overview]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Generated sigma-algebras|Generated sigma-algebras]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Existence of a measure continuation|Existence of a measure continuation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Uniqueness of a continuation|Uniqueness of a continuation]] {{stage|50%}} 1ars5be7n8u7nz9l5s83nhirguxccuz 4639373 4639367 2026-06-08T17:41:46Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 make header for "books" larger 4639373 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{Shelves|Applied mathematics|University level mathematics books}}{{status|50%}}{{Under construction}} [[File:Titelbild MFNF mit Serlo-Logo.jpg|thumb|Title image of the German version by [[commons:User:Olivier Vidal|Olivier Vidal]] |center]] = Books = <div style="column-width: 50em;"> {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|buecher}} </div> = Important note = This book is a translated version of the book project [https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathe_f%C3%BCr_Nicht-Freaks “Mathe für Nicht-Freaks”] on the German version of Wikibooks. Templates and modules do not yet work completely and are in the process of being adjusted. = Table of Contents = This page lists all chapters of the project “Math for Non-Geeks”. This page serves as an overview and the complete navigation and the tables of contents of the individual books are generated from it. {| class="wikitable" |+Legend !Symbol !Meaning |- |red link |Link to a chapter that does not yet exist and has yet to be written. |- |blue link |Chapter has already been created and contains content. |- |{{stage|0%}} |Progress 0% – Chapter has little or no content. The chapter must be rewritten or supplemented and revised. |- |{{stage|25%}} |Progress 25% – Chapter is currently under development, but still needs to be significantly expanded. |- |{{stage|50%}} |Progress 50% – Essential content is available, but important content still needs to be added (there are often ToDo notes on the page that still need to be added). |- |{{stage|75%}} |Progress 75% – Chapter is finished in terms of content, but still needs to be revised (correct spelling mistakes, change wording so that it is easier to understand or sounds better. Remove redundant expressions). |- |{{stage|100%}} |Progress 100% – The chapter is complete and has been proofread at least once. But you can also proofread again. In other words: correct spelling mistakes and improve the wording. These chapters (like all others) can also be supplemented content-wise. |} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Real Analysis|Real Analysis]] == === Help === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Translating chapters|Translating chapters]] * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Guidelines for translation|Guidelines for translation]] * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sitemap|Sitemap]] === Introduction === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/What is analysis?|What is analysis?]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Why studying analysis?|Why studying analysis?]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Propositional logic|Propositional logic]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Mathematical induction|Mathematical induction]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Real numbers|Real numbers]] {{stage|50%}} === Complex numbers === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction and motivation|Introduction and motivation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Definition of complex numbers|Definition of complex numbers]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Absolute value and conjugation|Absolute value and conjugation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Polar representation|Polar representation]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Drawing complex-valued functions|Drawing complex-valued functions]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Complex numbers|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Suprema and infima === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Supremum and infimum|Supremum and infimum]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The infinite case|The infinite case]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/How to prove existence of a supremum or infimum|How to prove existence of a supremum or infimum]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Properties of supremum and infimum|Properties of supremum and infimum]] {{stage|50%}} === Sequences === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sequences|Sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Explicit and recursive description|Explicit and recursive description]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Examples and properties of sequences|Examples and properties of sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Sequences|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Convergence and divergence === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Limit: Convergence and divergence|Limit: Convergence and divergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/How to prove convergence and divergence|How to prove convergence and divergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Examples for limits|Examples for limits]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Unbounded sequences diverge|Unbounded sequences diverge]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Limit theorems|Limit theorems]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The squeeze theorem|The squeeze theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Monotonicity criterion|Monotonicity criterion]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/How to prove convergence for recursive sequences|How to prove convergence for recursive sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Convergence and divergence|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Subsequences, Accumulation points and Cauchy sequences === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subsequences|Subsequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Accumulation points of sequences|Accumulation points of sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Accumulation points of sets|Accumulation points of sets]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem|The Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Divergence to infinity|Divergence to infinity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Divergence to infinity/Rules|Divergence to infinity: Rules]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Superior and inferior limit|Superior and inferior limit]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cauchy sequences|Cauchy sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Subsequences, Accumulation points, and Cauchy sequences|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Series === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Series|Series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Computation rules for series|Computation rules for series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Telescoping sums and series|Telescoping sums and series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Geometric series|Geometric series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Harmonic series|Harmonic series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exponential series|Exponential series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Absolute convergence of a series|Absolute convergence of a series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Rearrangement theorem for series|Rearrangement theorem for series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Series|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Convergence criteria for series === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Overview: Convergence criteria|Overview: Convergence criteria]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cauchy criterion|Cauchy criterion]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Term test|Term test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Bounded series and convergence|Bounded series and convergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Direct comparison test|Direct comparison test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Root test|Root test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Ratio test|Ratio test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Alternating series test|Alternating series test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Cauchy condensation test|Cauchy condensation test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Application of convergence criteria|Application of convergence criteria]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Convergence criteria for series|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Exponential and Logarithm functions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivation and definition of the exponential series|Derivation and definition of the exponential series]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Properties of the exponential series|Properties of the exponential series]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Logarithmic function|Logarithmic function]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Real exponents|Real exponents]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exp and log functions for complex numbers|Exp and log functions for complex numbers]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Exponential and Logarithm functions|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Trigonometric and Hyperbolic functions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Sine and cosine|Sine and cosine]] {{stage|50%}} === Continuity === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Continuity of functions|Continuity of functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Epsilon-delta definition of continuity|Epsilon-delta definition of continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Sequential definition of continuity|Sequential definition of continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Limit of functions|Limit of functions]] {{stage|25%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Proving continuity|Proving continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Proving discontinuity|Proving discontinuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Composition of continuous functions|Composition of continuous functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Extreme value theorem|Extreme value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Intermediate value theorem|Intermediate value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Continuity of the inverse function|Continuity of the inverse function]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Uniform continuity|Uniform continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Lipschitz continuity|Lipschitz continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Continuity|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Differential Calculus === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivatives|Derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Computing derivatives|Computing derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Computing derivatives - special|Computing derivatives - special]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivative - inverse function|Derivative - inverse function]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Examples for derivatives|Examples for derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivatives of higher order|Derivatives of higher order]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Rolle's theorem|Rolle's theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Mean value theorem|Mean value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Constant functions|Constant functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Monotonic functions|Monotonic functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivative and local extrema|Derivative and local extrema]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ L'Hôspital's rule|L'Hôspital's rule]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Overview: continuity and differentiability|Overview: continuity and differentiability]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 1|Exercises 1]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 2|Exercises 2]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 3|Exercises 3]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 4|Exercises 4]] {{stage|50%}} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear algebra|Linear algebra]] == === Vector spaces === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Vector space|Introduction: Vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space|Vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space: properties|Vector space: properties]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Proofs for vector spaces|Proofs for vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Field as a vector space|Field as a vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Coordinate spaces|Coordinate spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sequence spaces|Sequence spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Function spaces|Function spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace|Subspace]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Union and intersection of vector spaces|Union and intersection of vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sum of subspaces|Sum of subspaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Inner direct sum|Inner direct sum]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Complements of vector spaces|Complements of vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cosets of a subspace|Cosets of a subspace]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Quotient space|Quotient space]] {{stage|50%}} === Linear combinations, generators and bases === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear combinations|Linear combinations]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Span|Span]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Generators|Generators]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear independence|Linear independence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Basis|Basis]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Steinitz's theorem|Steinitz's theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Dimension|Dimension]] {{stage|50%}} === Linear maps === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear map|Linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Properties of linear maps|Properties of linear maps]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear continuation|Linear continuation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Proofs for linear maps|Proofs for linear maps]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Monomorphisms|Monomorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Epimorphisms|Epimorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Isomorphisms|Isomorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Endomorphism and Automorphism|Endomorphism and Automorphism]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Image of a linear map|Image of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Kernel of a linear map|Kernel of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space of a linear map|Vector space of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Dual space|Dual space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises Linear Maps|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Matrices === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Matrices|Introduction: Matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Matrix of a linear map|Matrix of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Definition of a matrix|Definition of a matrix]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear systems and matrices|Linear systems and matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space structure on matrices|Vector space structure on matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Matrix multiplication|Matrix multiplication]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Basis change via matrices|Basis change via matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Matrices|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Measure theory|Measure theory]] == === Introduction, basic definitions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Overview: Objects in Measure Theory|Overview: Objects in Measure Theory]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Volumes on rings|Volumes on rings]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Continuity of volumes on rings|Continuity of volumes on rings]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Pre-measures and measures|Pre-measures and measures]] {{stage|50%}} === Constructing measures === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Constructing measures: overview|Constructing measures: overview]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Generated sigma-algebras|Generated sigma-algebras]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Existence of a measure continuation|Existence of a measure continuation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Uniqueness of a continuation|Uniqueness of a continuation]] {{stage|50%}} 90djcxh94dra2acs3zq6xvyozy8tni2 828 470016 4639343 4443678 2026-06-08T17:12:33Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 removed remainders from de.wikibooks 4639343 Scribunto text/plain local utils = require("Module: Utils") local sitemap_title = "Math for Non-Geeks" local Node = {} Node.__index = Node function Node:new(link, name, nr, char, progress) link = link or "root" return setmetatable({ link = link, name = name or link, children = {}, nr = nr, char = char, level = 0, progress = progress }, Node) end function Node:find(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end for _, child in ipairs(self.children) do result = child:find(predicate_fn) if result then return result end end return nil end function Node:find_parent(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end if self.parent ~= nil then return self.parent:find_parent(predicate_fn) end return nil end function Node:is_under(other_node) -- node2 is root node if other_node.char == nil then return true end -- list type of node1 shows, that it is the child of node2 if self.char == '*' and other_node.char == '=' then return true end -- same type -> node with more chars is child of the other if self.char == other_node.char then return self.nr > other_node.nr end return false end function Node:is_over(other_node) return self == other_node or (other_node.parent ~= nil and self:is_over(other_node.parent)) end function Node:add_child(child) self.children[#self.children + 1] = child child.parent = self child.level = self.level + 1 child.index = #self.children end function Node:next_site() if self.parent ~= nil then if self.index < #self.parent.children then return self.parent.children[self.index + 1] else return self.parent:next_site() end else return nil end end function Node:last_child() return self.children[#self.children] end function Node:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) local last_child = self:last_child() if last_child == nil or (other_node:is_under(self) and not other_node:is_under(last_child)) then self:add_child(other_node) else last_child:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) end end function Node:to_link() local target = self:target_node() local result = nil if target.progress then result = result .. "&nbsp;" .. mw.getCurrentFrame():expandTemplate{ title = "Symbol", args = { tostring(target.progress) .. "%" } } end return result end function Node:target_node() if self.level <= 1 or #self.children == 0 then return self else return self.children[1]:target_node() end end function Node:site_link() return self:target_node().link end local Sitemap = {} local utils = require("Module:Utils") function Sitemap.parse() local sitemap = assert(mw.title.new(sitemap_title), "no site with name " .. sitemap_title) return Sitemap.parseSource(sitemap:getContent()) end function Sitemap.parseSource(src) local lines = string.gmatch(src, "[^\r\n]+") local index = 0 local nr = 0 local name = nil local line = nil local progress = nil local result = Node:new() -- iterator function over all nodes function nodes() -- get next line of source code line = lines() -- end of source -> return nil if line == nil then return nil end for _, char in ipairs({ "*", "=" }) do if utils.starts(line, char) then index = string.find(line, '[^' .. char .. ']') nr = index - 1 name = nil line = string.sub(line, index) -- strip `=' or `*' at the beginning line = mw.text.trim(line) -- trim whitespaces line = mw.text.trim(line, "=") -- strip `=' at the end of the line line = mw.text.trim(line) -- trim whitespaces progress = string.match(line, "^.*%{%{Symbol%|(%d+)%%%}%}$") if progress then line = mw.text.trim(string.match(line, "^(.*)%{%{Symbol%|%d+%%%}%}$")) end if utils.starts(line, "[[") and utils.ends(line, "]]") then -- strip `[[' at beginning and `]]' at the end of the line line = string.match(line, '^%[%[(.*)%]%]') index = line.find(line, '%|') if index then name = string.sub(line, index+1) line = string.sub(line, 1, index-1) end end return Node:new(line, name, nr, char, tonumber(progress)) end end -- ignore current line -> return next node return nodes() end for node in nodes do result:add_child_at_right_position(node) end return result end return Sitemap 72cz73ak2cktjr7pdsh0ftg1lnxeofp 4639350 4639343 2026-06-08T17:20:38Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 replaced the function "Node:to_link()" 4639350 Scribunto text/plain local utils = require("Module: Utils") local sitemap_title = "Math for Non-Geeks" local Node = {} Node.__index = Node function Node:new(link, name, nr, char, progress) link = link or "root" return setmetatable({ link = link, name = name or link, children = {}, nr = nr, char = char, level = 0, progress = progress }, Node) end function Node:find(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end for _, child in ipairs(self.children) do result = child:find(predicate_fn) if result then return result end end return nil end function Node:find_parent(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end if self.parent ~= nil then return self.parent:find_parent(predicate_fn) end return nil end function Node:is_under(other_node) -- node2 is root node if other_node.char == nil then return true end -- list type of node1 shows, that it is the child of node2 if self.char == '*' and other_node.char == '=' then return true end -- same type -> node with more chars is child of the other if self.char == other_node.char then return self.nr > other_node.nr end return false end function Node:is_over(other_node) return self == other_node or (other_node.parent ~= nil and self:is_over(other_node.parent)) end function Node:add_child(child) self.children[#self.children + 1] = child child.parent = self child.level = self.level + 1 child.index = #self.children end function Node:next_site() if self.parent ~= nil then if self.index < #self.parent.children then return self.parent.children[self.index + 1] else return self.parent:next_site() end else return nil end end function Node:last_child() return self.children[#self.children] end function Node:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) local last_child = self:last_child() if last_child == nil or (other_node:is_under(self) and not other_node:is_under(last_child)) then self:add_child(other_node) else last_child:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) end end function Node:to_link() local target = self:target_node() local result = "[[" .. target.link .. "|" .. self.name .. "]]" if target.progress then result = result .. "&nbsp;" .. mw.getCurrentFrame():expandTemplate{ title = "Symbol", args = { tostring(target.progress) .. "%" } } end return result end function Node:target_node() if self.level <= 1 or #self.children == 0 then return self else return self.children[1]:target_node() end end function Node:site_link() return self:target_node().link end local Sitemap = {} local utils = require("Module:Utils") function Sitemap.parse() local sitemap = assert(mw.title.new(sitemap_title), "no site with name " .. sitemap_title) return Sitemap.parseSource(sitemap:getContent()) end function Sitemap.parseSource(src) local lines = string.gmatch(src, "[^\r\n]+") local index = 0 local nr = 0 local name = nil local line = nil local progress = nil local result = Node:new() -- iterator function over all nodes function nodes() -- get next line of source code line = lines() -- end of source -> return nil if line == nil then return nil end for _, char in ipairs({ "*", "=" }) do if utils.starts(line, char) then index = string.find(line, '[^' .. char .. ']') nr = index - 1 name = nil line = string.sub(line, index) -- strip `=' or `*' at the beginning line = mw.text.trim(line) -- trim whitespaces line = mw.text.trim(line, "=") -- strip `=' at the end of the line line = mw.text.trim(line) -- trim whitespaces progress = string.match(line, "^.*%{%{Symbol%|(%d+)%%%}%}$") if progress then line = mw.text.trim(string.match(line, "^(.*)%{%{Symbol%|%d+%%%}%}$")) end if utils.starts(line, "[[") and utils.ends(line, "]]") then -- strip `[[' at beginning and `]]' at the end of the line line = string.match(line, '^%[%[(.*)%]%]') index = line.find(line, '%|') if index then name = string.sub(line, index+1) line = string.sub(line, 1, index-1) end end return Node:new(line, name, nr, char, tonumber(progress)) end end -- ignore current line -> return next node return nodes() end for node in nodes do result:add_child_at_right_position(node) end return result end return Sitemap hgavfg0mjjlvao2mw8hluizba2u06lf 4639352 4639350 2026-06-08T17:22:21Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 Module: Utils -> Module:Utils 4639352 Scribunto text/plain local utils = require("Module:Utils") local sitemap_title = "Math for Non-Geeks" local Node = {} Node.__index = Node function Node:new(link, name, nr, char, progress) link = link or "root" return setmetatable({ link = link, name = name or link, children = {}, nr = nr, char = char, level = 0, progress = progress }, Node) end function Node:find(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end for _, child in ipairs(self.children) do result = child:find(predicate_fn) if result then return result end end return nil end function Node:find_parent(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end if self.parent ~= nil then return self.parent:find_parent(predicate_fn) end return nil end function Node:is_under(other_node) -- node2 is root node if other_node.char == nil then return true end -- list type of node1 shows, that it is the child of node2 if self.char == '*' and other_node.char == '=' then return true end -- same type -> node with more chars is child of the other if self.char == other_node.char then return self.nr > other_node.nr end return false end function Node:is_over(other_node) return self == other_node or (other_node.parent ~= nil and self:is_over(other_node.parent)) end function Node:add_child(child) self.children[#self.children + 1] = child child.parent = self child.level = self.level + 1 child.index = #self.children end function Node:next_site() if self.parent ~= nil then if self.index < #self.parent.children then return self.parent.children[self.index + 1] else return self.parent:next_site() end else return nil end end function Node:last_child() return self.children[#self.children] end function Node:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) local last_child = self:last_child() if last_child == nil or (other_node:is_under(self) and not other_node:is_under(last_child)) then self:add_child(other_node) else last_child:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) end end function Node:to_link() local target = self:target_node() local result = "[[" .. target.link .. "|" .. self.name .. "]]" if target.progress then result = result .. "&nbsp;" .. mw.getCurrentFrame():expandTemplate{ title = "Symbol", args = { tostring(target.progress) .. "%" } } end return result end function Node:target_node() if self.level <= 1 or #self.children == 0 then return self else return self.children[1]:target_node() end end function Node:site_link() return self:target_node().link end local Sitemap = {} local utils = require("Module:Utils") function Sitemap.parse() local sitemap = assert(mw.title.new(sitemap_title), "no site with name " .. sitemap_title) return Sitemap.parseSource(sitemap:getContent()) end function Sitemap.parseSource(src) local lines = string.gmatch(src, "[^\r\n]+") local index = 0 local nr = 0 local name = nil local line = nil local progress = nil local result = Node:new() -- iterator function over all nodes function nodes() -- get next line of source code line = lines() -- end of source -> return nil if line == nil then return nil end for _, char in ipairs({ "*", "=" }) do if utils.starts(line, char) then index = string.find(line, '[^' .. char .. ']') nr = index - 1 name = nil line = string.sub(line, index) -- strip `=' or `*' at the beginning line = mw.text.trim(line) -- trim whitespaces line = mw.text.trim(line, "=") -- strip `=' at the end of the line line = mw.text.trim(line) -- trim whitespaces progress = string.match(line, "^.*%{%{Symbol%|(%d+)%%%}%}$") if progress then line = mw.text.trim(string.match(line, "^(.*)%{%{Symbol%|%d+%%%}%}$")) end if utils.starts(line, "[[") and utils.ends(line, "]]") then -- strip `[[' at beginning and `]]' at the end of the line line = string.match(line, '^%[%[(.*)%]%]') index = line.find(line, '%|') if index then name = string.sub(line, index+1) line = string.sub(line, 1, index-1) end end return Node:new(line, name, nr, char, tonumber(progress)) end end -- ignore current line -> return next node return nodes() end for node in nodes do result:add_child_at_right_position(node) end return result end return Sitemap h02e2t1f6j1yxdrr2ylk104xf9sz7od 4639355 4639352 2026-06-08T17:27:08Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 replaced function target_node() 4639355 Scribunto text/plain local utils = require("Module:Utils") local sitemap_title = "Math for Non-Geeks" local Node = {} Node.__index = Node function Node:new(link, name, nr, char, progress) link = link or "root" return setmetatable({ link = link, name = name or link, children = {}, nr = nr, char = char, level = 0, progress = progress }, Node) end function Node:find(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end for _, child in ipairs(self.children) do result = child:find(predicate_fn) if result then return result end end return nil end function Node:find_parent(predicate_fn) if predicate_fn(self) then return self end if self.parent ~= nil then return self.parent:find_parent(predicate_fn) end return nil end function Node:is_under(other_node) -- node2 is root node if other_node.char == nil then return true end -- list type of node1 shows, that it is the child of node2 if self.char == '*' and other_node.char == '=' then return true end -- same type -> node with more chars is child of the other if self.char == other_node.char then return self.nr > other_node.nr end return false end function Node:is_over(other_node) return self == other_node or (other_node.parent ~= nil and self:is_over(other_node.parent)) end function Node:add_child(child) self.children[#self.children + 1] = child child.parent = self child.level = self.level + 1 child.index = #self.children end function Node:next_site() if self.parent ~= nil then if self.index < #self.parent.children then return self.parent.children[self.index + 1] else return self.parent:next_site() end else return nil end end function Node:last_child() return self.children[#self.children] end function Node:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) local last_child = self:last_child() if last_child == nil or (other_node:is_under(self) and not other_node:is_under(last_child)) then self:add_child(other_node) else last_child:add_child_at_right_position(other_node) end end function Node:to_link() local target = self:target_node() local result = "[[" .. target.link .. 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"%" } } end return result end --[[ function Node:target_node() if self.level <= 1 or #self.children == 0 then return self else return self.children[1]:target_node() end end ]]-- function Node:target_node() return self end function Node:site_link() return self:target_node().link end local Sitemap = {} local utils = require("Module:Utils") function Sitemap.parse() local sitemap = assert(mw.title.new(sitemap_title), "no site with name " .. sitemap_title) return Sitemap.parseSource(sitemap:getContent()) end function Sitemap.parseSource(src) local lines = string.gmatch(src, "[^\r\n]+") local index = 0 local nr = 0 local name = nil local line = nil local progress = nil local result = Node:new() -- iterator function over all nodes function nodes() -- get next line of source code line = lines() -- end of source -> return nil if line == nil then return nil end for _, char in ipairs({ "*", "=" }) do if utils.starts(line, char) then index = string.find(line, '[^' .. char .. 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They are one of the most important concepts of linear algebra and have numerous applications in science and technology. == Motivation == === What makes linear maps special === We have learned about the structure of vector spaces and studied various properties of them. Now we want to consider not only isolated vector spaces, but also maps between them. Some of these maps fit well with the underlying vector space structure and are therefore called ''linear maps'' or ''vector space homeomorphisms''. They are a generalization of linear functions ''through the origin'' in one dimension, whose graphs are ''lines'' (hence the name). It is a typical approach in algebra to study maps that preserve the structure of an algebraic object, such as a vector space. For many algebraic objects such as groups, rings or fields, one often studies the corresponding structure-preserving maps between the respective algebraic structures - group homeomorphisms, ring homeomorphisms and field homeomorphisms. For vector spaces, the structure-preserving maps are the ''linear maps'' (= vector space homeomorphisms). So let <math>V</math> and <math>W</math> be two vector spaces. When is a map <math>f : V \to W</math> structure-preserving or well compatible with the underlying vector space structures in <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>? For this, let's repeat what the vector space structure is all about: They basically allow for two operations: * Addition of vectors: two vectors can be added, similarly to how numbers are added. * Scalar multiplication: vectors with a scaling factor (which is an element of the field) can be scaled. That means: compressed, stretched or mirrored. === Compatibility with addition === Let's start with of addition of vectors: when is a function <math>f : V \to W</math> compatible with the additions <math>+_{_V}</math> and <math>+_{_W}</math> on the respective vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>? The most natural definition is the following: {{Important|A map is compatible with the addition if a sum is preserved by the map. Meaning, if <math>v_3 = v_1 +_{_V} v_2</math> is a sum within the vector space <math>V</math>, then the images of <math>v_1</math>, <math>v_2</math> and <math>v_3</math> , which are situated in vector space <math>W</math>, also form a corresponding sum: <math>f(v_3) = f(v_1) +_{_W} f(v_2)</math>}} Thus, a map compatible with addition satisfies for all <math>v_1,v_2,v_3 \in V</math> the implication: {{Math|<math>v_3 = v_1 +_{_V} v_2 \implies f(v_3) = f(v_1) +_{_W} f(v_2)</math>}} This implication can be summarized in one equation by substituting the premise <math>v_3=v_1 +_{_V} v_2</math> into the second equation. It thus suffices to require for all <math>v_1,v_2 \in V</math> that: {{Math|<math>f(v_1 +_{_V} v_2) = f(v_1) +_{_W} f(v_2)</math>}} This equation describes the first characteristic property of the linear map, namely "being compatible with vector addition". We can visualize it well for maps <math>\R^2\to\R^2</math>. A map is compatible with addition if and only if the triangle given by the vectors <math>v_1</math>, <math>v_2</math> and <math>v_3 = v_1 +_{_V} v_2</math> is preserved under applying the map. That means, also the three vectors <math>f(v_1)</math>, <math>f(v_2)</math> and <math>f(v_3)=f(v_1 +_{_V} v_2)</math> hive to form a triangle: [[File:Compatibility of linear map with addition 1.svg|center|maps are compatible with addition, if triangles are preserved by them]] If <math>f</math> is not compatible with addition, there are vectors <math>v_1</math> and <math>v_2</math> with <math>f(v_1 +_{_V} v_2) \neq f(v_1) +_{_W} f(v_2)</math>. The triangle generated by <math>v_1</math>, <math>v_2</math> and <math>v_3 = v_1 +_{_V} v_2</math> is then not preserved, because the triangle side <math>v_1 +_{_V} v_2</math> of the initial triangle is not mapped to the triangle side <math>f(v_1) +_{_W} f(v_2)</math> in the target space: [[File:Compatibility of linear map with addition 2.svg|center|If maps are not compatible with addition, at least one triangle is not preserved by the map.]] === Compatibility with scalar multiplication === Analogously, we can naturally define that a map <math>f:V\to W</math> is compatible with scalar multiplication if and only if it is preserved by the map. So it should hold for all <math>w, v\in V</math> and for all scalars <math>\lambda \in K</math> that {{Math|<math>w = \lambda \cdot_{_V} v \implies f(w) = \lambda \cdot_{_W} f(v)</math>}} Note that <math>\lambda</math> is a scalar and not a vector, and thus is not changed by the map under consideration. In other words, it can be "pulled out of the bracket". This move is only allowed if both vector spaces have the same underlying field. Both the domain of definition <math>V</math> and the range of values <math>W</math> must be vector spaces over the same <math>K</math>. Linear maps thus preserve scalings. From <math>w = \lambda v</math> one may conclude <math>f(w) = \lambda f(v)</math>. For the case where <math>f(v)\neq0</math>, straight lines of the form <math>\{ \lambda v: \lambda \in\R\}</math> are mapped to the straight line <math>\{ \lambda f(v): \lambda \in \R\}</math>. The above implication can be summarized in an equation. For all <math>v\in V</math> and <math>\lambda \in K</math>, we require that: {{Math|<math>f(\lambda \cdot_{_V} v) = \lambda \cdot_{_W} f(v)</math>}} For maps <math>\R^2\to\R^2</math> this means that a scaled vector <math>\lambda \cdot_{_V} v</math> is mapped to the correspondingly scaled version <math>\lambda \cdot_{_W} f(w)</math> of the image vector: [[File:Compatibility of linear map with scalar multiplication 1.svg|center|Linear maps preserve scalings.]] If a map is not compatible with scalar multiplication, there is a vector <math>v</math> and a scaling factor <math>\lambda</math> such that <math>f(\lambda \cdot_{_V} v) \neq \lambda \cdot_{_W} f(w)</math>: [[File:Compatibility of linear map with scalar multiplication 2.svg|center|A map where scaling is not preserved. This is an example of a non-linear map.]] === Recap === A linear map is a special map between vector spaces that is compatible with the structure of the underlying vector spaces. In particular, this means that a linear map <math>f:V\to W</math> has the following two characteristic properties: * ''compatibility with addition:'' <math>\forall v_1,v_2\in V:\, f(v_1 +_{_V} v_2) = f(v_1) +_{_W} f(v_2)</math>. * ''compatibility with scalar multiplication:'' <math>\forall v\in V, \lambda \in K: \,f(\lambda \cdot_{_V} v) = \lambda \cdot_{_W} f(v)</math> The compatibility with addition is called ''additivity'' and the compatibility with scalar multiplication is called ''homogeneity''. == Definition == {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Definition |titel=Linear map |definition= Let <math>\color{Orange} V</math> and <math>\color{Purple} W</math> [[Math_for_Non-Geeks/Vector_space|vector spaces]] over the same [[Math_for_Non-Geeks/field|field]] <math>K</math>. Let <math>{\color{Orange} +_{{}_V}} \colon {\color{Orange}V} \times {\color{Orange}V} \to {\color{Orange}V} </math> and <math>{\color{Purple} +_{{}_W}} \colon {\color{Purple}W} \times {\color{Purple}W} \to {\color{Purple}W}</math> be the respective inner [[Math for Non-Freaks: operation|operations]]. Further, let <math> {\color{Orange} \cdot_{{}_V}} \colon K \times {\color{Orange}V} \to {\color{Orange}V} </math> and <math>{\color{Purple} \cdot_{{}_W}} \colon K \times {\color{Purple} W} \to {\color{Purple} W} </math> be the scalar multiplications. Now let <math> f \colon {\color{Orange}V} \to {\color{Purple}W} </math> be a [[Math for Non-Geeks/function|map]] between these vector spaces. We call <math> f </math> a ''linear map'' from <math> {\color{Orange}V} </math> to <math> {\color{Purple}W} </math> if the following two properties are satisfied: {{#invoke:list|ordered |''' additivity: ''' For all <math>v_1, v_2 \in V</math> we have {{Math|<math>f\left(v_1 {\color{Orange} +_{{}_V} } v_2\right)=f(v_1) {\color{Purple} +_{{}_W}} f(v_2)</math>}} |''' homogeneity: ''' For all <math>v \in V</math> and <math>\lambda \in K</math> we have {{Math|<math>f(\lambda {\color{Orange} \cdot_{{}_V}} v) = \lambda {\color{Purple} \cdot_{{}_W}} f(v)</math>}} }} }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Hinweis|If it's clear from the context, in the future we'll also just write "<math>+</math>" instead of <math>{\color{Orange} +_{{}_V} }</math> and <math>{\color{Purple} +_{{}_W}}</math>. Similarly, "<math>\cdot</math>" is often used instead of <math>{\color{Orange} \cdot_{{}_V}}</math> and <math>{\color{Purple} \cdot_{{}_W}}</math> are used. Sometimes the dot for scalar multiplication is completely omitted.}} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Hinweis|In the literature, the term ''vector space homeomorphism'' or ''homeomorphism'' for short is also used as a synonym for the term ''linear map''. The ancient Greek word homós stands for ''equal'', morphé stands for ''shape''. Literally translated, a ''vector space homeomorphism'' is a map between vector spaces, which leaves the "shape" of the vector spaces invariant.}} == Explanation of the definition == The characteristic equations of the linear map are <math>f(v_1 + v_2) = f(v_1) + f(v_2)</math> and <math>f(\lambda \cdot v) = \lambda \cdot f(v)</math>. What do these two properties intuitively mean? According to the additivity property, it doesn't matter whether you first add <math>v_1</math> and <math>v_2</math> and then map them, or whether you first map both vectors and then add them. Both ways lead to the same result: {{Math|<math> {\color{OliveGreen} \underbrace{f( {\color{Blue}\underbrace{v_1+v_2}_{\text{addition}}} )}_{\text{mapping }}} = {\color{Blue}\underbrace{ {\color{OliveGreen}\underbrace{f(v_1)}_{\text{mapping }}} + {\color{OliveGreen}\underbrace{f(v_2)}_{\text{mapping }}} }_{\text{addition}}} </math>}} What does the homogeneity property mean? Regardless of whether you first scale <math>v</math> by <math>\lambda</math> and then map it or first map the vector and then scale it by <math>\lambda</math>, the result is the same: {{Math|<math> {\color{OliveGreen} \underbrace{f( {\color{Blue}\underbrace{\lambda\cdot v}_{\begin{array}{c} \text{scalar multiplication } \end{array}}} )}_{\begin{array}{c} \text{mapping } \end{array}}} = {\color{Blue}\underbrace{\lambda\cdot {\color{OliveGreen}\underbrace{f(v)}_{\text{mapping}}} }_{\text{scalar multiplication}}} </math>}} The characteristic properties of linear maps mean that the orders of function mapping and vector space operations do not matter. == Characterization: linear combinations are mapped to linear combinations == Besides the defining property that linear maps get along well with the underlying vector space structure, linear maps can also be characterized by the following property: {{Important|Linear maps are precisely those maps that map [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear combinations|linear combinations]] to linear combinations}}. This is an important property because linear combinations are used to define important structures on vector spaces such as the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear independence|linear independence]] or having [[Math for Non-Geeks/Generators|generators]]. Also, the definition of the basis relies on the notion of linear combination. The connection to linear combinations can be seen by looking at the two characteristic equations of linear maps: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(v_1 + v_2) & = f(v_1) + f(v_2) \\[0.5em] f(\lambda \cdot v) & = \lambda \cdot f(v) \end{align}</math>}} We can apply the two formulas above step-by-step to a linear combination like <math>3\cdot u + 5\cdot w -2 \cdot z</math> for vectors <math>u,w</math> and <math>z</math> from <math> V</math> . This allows us to "get the linear combination out of the bracket": {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(3\cdot u + 5\cdot w -2 \cdot z) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(3\cdot u) + f(5\cdot w -2 \cdot z) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(3\cdot u) + f(5\cdot w) + f(-2 \cdot z) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & 3\cdot f(u) + 5\cdot f(w) -2 \cdot f(z) \end{align}</math>}} The linear combination <math>3\cdot u + 5\cdot w -2 \cdot z</math> is mapped by <math>f</math> to <math>3\cdot f(u) + 5\cdot f(w) -2 \cdot f(z)</math> and thus keeps its structure. The situation is similar for other linear combinations. For by the property <math>f(v_1 + v_2) = f(v_1) + f(v_2)</math> sums "can be pulled out of the bracket" and by the property <math>f(\lambda \cdot v) = \lambda \cdot f(v)</math> scalar multiplications "can be pulled out of the bracket". We thus obtain the following alternative characterization of the linear map: [[Math for Non-Geeks/Properties_of_linear_maps|linear combinations are mapped to linear combinations]]. ==Examples== === Stretch in <math>x</math>-direction === Our first example is a stretch by the factor <math>\beta</math> in <math>x</math>-direction in the plane <math>\R^2</math>. Here, every vector <math>a=(a_x, a_y)^T \in\R^2</math> is mapped to <math>f(a)=(\beta a_x, a_y)^T</math>. The following figure shows this map for <math>\beta = 2</math>. The <math>y</math>-coordinate remains the same and the <math>x</math>-coordinate is doubled: [[File:Streckung eines Vektors.gif|center|300px|stretching a vector]] Now let's see if this map is compatible with addition. So let's take two vectors <math>a</math> and <math>b</math>, sum them <math>a+b</math> and then stretch them in <math>x</math>-direction. The result is the same as if we first stretch both vectors in <math>x</math>-direction and then add them: [[File:Streckung der Summe zweier Vektoren.gif|center|300px|stretching the sum of two vectors]] This can also be shown mathematically. Our map is the function <math>f: \R^2 \to \R^2, \ f(\left(x, y)^T\right)=(\beta x, y)^T</math>. We can now check the property <math>f(a+b)=f(a)+f(b)</math>: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(a+b) &= f\left(\begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}b_x\\b_y\end{pmatrix}\right) \\[0.5em] &= f\left(\begin{pmatrix}a_x + b_x\\a_y + b_y\end{pmatrix}\right) \\[0.5em] &= \begin{pmatrix}\beta(a_x+b_x)\\a_y+b_y\end{pmatrix} \\[0.5em] &= \begin{pmatrix}\beta a_x+\beta b_x\\a_y+b_y\end{pmatrix} \\[0.5em] &= \begin{pmatrix}\beta a_x\\a_y\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}\beta b_x\\b_y\end{pmatrix} \\[0.5em] &= f\left(\begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\end{pmatrix}\right)+f\left(\begin{pmatrix}b_x\\b_y\end{pmatrix}\right) \\[0.5em] &= f(a)+f(b) \\[1em] \end{align}</math>}} Now let's check the compatibility with scalar multiplication. The following figure shows that it doesn't matter if the vector <math>a</math> is first scaled by a factor of <math>\lambda</math> and then stretched in <math>x</math>-direction or first stretched in <math>x</math>-direction and then scaled by <math>\lambda</math>: [[File:Streckung homogenitaet Version 3.gif|center|300px|stretching and scaling a vector]] This can also be shown formally: For <math>a\in\R^2</math> and <math>\lambda \in\R</math> we have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(\lambda a) &= f\left(\lambda \begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\end{pmatrix} \right) = f\left(\begin{pmatrix}\lambda a_x\\\lambda a_y\end{pmatrix}\right) \\[0.5em] &= \begin{pmatrix} \beta (\lambda a_x)\\\lambda a_y\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} \lambda\beta a_x\\\lambda a_y\end{pmatrix}\\[0.5em] &=\lambda \begin{pmatrix}\beta a_x\\a_y\end{pmatrix} = \lambda f\left(\begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\end{pmatrix}\right)\\[0.5em] &= \lambda f(a). \end{align}</math>}} So our <math>f</math> is a linear map. ===Rotations=== In the following, we consider a rotation <math>D_\alpha</math> of the plane by the angle <math>\alpha</math> (measured counter-clockwise) with the origin as center of rotation. Thus, it is a map <math>D_\alpha:\R^2\to\R^2</math> that assigns to every vector <math>v\in\R^2</math> the vector <math>\alpha</math> rotated by the angle <math>D_\alpha(v)\in\R^2</math>: [[File:Mfnf-linear-rotation.webm|frame|none|thumbtime=4|start=0|end=4|Rotating a vector <math>v\in\R^2</math> by the angle <math>\alpha</math>]] Let us now convince ourselves that <math>D_\alpha</math> is indeed a linear map. To do this, we need to show that: # <math>D_\alpha</math> is additive: for all <math>v,w\in\R^2</math>, we have <math>D_\alpha(v+w)=D_\alpha(v)+D_\alpha(w)</math>. # <math>D_\alpha</math> is homogeneous: For all <math>v\lambda\in\R^2</math> and <math>\lambda\in\R</math> we have <math>D_\alpha(\lambda\cdot v)=\lambda\cdot D_\alpha(v)</math>. First, we check additivity, that is, the equation <math>D_\alpha(v+w)=D_\alpha(v)+D_\alpha(w)</math>. If we add two vectors <math>v,w\in\R^2</math> and then rotate their sum <math>v+w</math> by the angle <math>\alpha</math>, the same vector should come out, as if we first rotate the vectors by the angle <math>\alpha</math> and then add the rotated vectors <math>D_\alpha(v)</math> and <math>D_\alpha(w)</math>. This can be visualized by the following two videos: <gallery widths="428" heights="428"> File:Mfnf-linear-summe.webm|thumbtime=4|start=0|end=4|Rotate first, then add File:Mfnf-linear-summe2.webm|thumbtime=4|start=0|end=4|Add first, then rotate </gallery> Now we come to homogeneity: <math>D_\alpha(\lambda\cdot v)=\lambda\cdot D_\alpha(v)</math>. If we first stretch a vector <math>v\lambda\in\R^2</math> by a factor <math>\lambda\in\R</math> and then rotate the result <math>\lambda\cdot v</math> by the angle <math>\alpha</math>, we should get the same vector as if we first rotate the by an angle <math>\alpha</math> and then scale the result <math>D_\alpha(v)</math> by the factor <math>\lambda</math>. This is again visualized by two videos: <gallery widths="428" heights="428"> File:Mfnf-linear-skalar.webm|thumbtime=4|start=0|end=4|Rotate first, then scale File:Mfnf-linear-skalar2.webm|thumbtime=4|start=0|end=4|Scale first, then rotate </gallery> Thus, rotations in <math>\R^2</math> are indeed linear maps. === Linear maps between vector spaces of different dimension === An example of a linear map between two vector spaces with different dimensions is the following projection of the space <math>\R^3</math> onto the plane <math>\R^2</math>: {{Math|<math>f\colon \R^3 \to \R^2; \quad \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\\z \end{pmatrix} \mapsto \begin{pmatrix}x\\y \end{pmatrix}</math>}} We now check whether the vector addition is preserved. That means, for vectors <math>a,b\in\R^3</math> we need that {{Math|<math>f(a+b)=f(a)+f(b)</math>}} This can be verified directly: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(a+b)&= f\left( \begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\\a_z \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix}b_x\\b_y\\b_z \end{pmatrix}\right)= f\left( \begin{pmatrix}a_x +b_x\\a_y+b_y\\a_z+b_z \end{pmatrix}\right) \\[0.5em] & = \begin{pmatrix}a_x + b_x\\a_y +b_y \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix}b_x\\b_y \end{pmatrix} \\[0.5em] & = f\left( \begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\\a_z \end{pmatrix}\right) + f\left( \begin{pmatrix}b_x\\b_y\\b_z \end{pmatrix}\right)=f(a)+f(b). \end{align}</math>}} Now we check homogeneity. For all <math>\lambda \in \R</math> and <math>a\in\R^2</math> we need: {{Math|<math>f(\lambda\cdot a)=\lambda\cdot f(a).</math>}} We have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(\lambda \cdot a)&= f\left(\lambda \cdot \begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\\a_z \end{pmatrix}\right) = f\left(\begin{pmatrix}\lambda a_x\\\lambda a_y\\\lambda a_z \end{pmatrix}\right ) \\[0.5em] &= \begin{pmatrix}\lambda a_x\\ \lambda a_y \end{pmatrix} = \lambda \cdot \begin{pmatrix} a_x\\ a_y \end{pmatrix} = \lambda \cdot f\left(\begin{pmatrix}a_x\\a_y\\a_z \end{pmatrix}\right )\\[0.5em] &=\lambda\cdot f(a). \end{align}</math>}} So the projection <math>f</math> is a linear map. === A non-linear map === Next, we investigate some examples for ''non''-linear maps. It is easy to come up with such maps: basically any function on <math>\R</math> whose graph is not a line is a ''non-linear map''. So "most maps are non-linear". Of course, there are also examples for non-linear maps on <math>\R^2</math>. For instance, consider the norm mapping on the plane which assigns the length to every vector: {{Math|<math>\|\cdot\|_2 \,\colon\, \R^2 \to \R ;\quad \begin{pmatrix}x\\y \end{pmatrix} \mapsto \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}</math>}} This map is not a linear map, because it does not preserve either vector addition or scalar multiplication. We show this by a counterexample: Consider the two vectors <math>(1,0)^T</math> and <math>(0,1)^T\in\R^2</math>. If we add the vectors first and map them (determine their length) afterwards, we get {{Math|<math>\left\|\begin{pmatrix}1\\0 \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix}0\\1 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 = \left\| \begin{pmatrix}1\\1\end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 = \sqrt{1^2 + 1^2} = \sqrt{2}.</math>}} Now we determine the lengths of the vectors first and then add the results: {{Math|<math>\left\|\begin{pmatrix}1\\0 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 + \left\|\begin{pmatrix}0\\1 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 = \sqrt{1^2 + 0^2} + \sqrt{0^2 + 1^2} = \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{1} = 2</math>}} Thus, we have that {{Math|<math>\left\|\begin{pmatrix}1\\0 \end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix}0\\1 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 \neq \left\|\begin{pmatrix}1\\0 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 + \left\|\begin{pmatrix}0\\1 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2</math>}} This shows that the norm mapping is not additive. Finding a contradiction to one property (either additivity or homogeneity) already proves that the normal mapping is not linear. Alternatively, we could have shown that the norm mapping is not homogeneous: {{Math|<math> \left\|(-1) \cdot \begin{pmatrix}1\\0 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 = \left\|\begin{pmatrix}-1\\0 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 = \sqrt{(-1)^2 + 0^2} = 1 \neq -1 = (-1) \cdot \left\|\begin{pmatrix}1\\0 \end{pmatrix}\right\|_2 .</math>}} === Applied examples === Linear maps are used in almost all technological fields. Here is just a very tiny collection of some examples: # In order to make predictions or control machines, complicated functions are often approximated by linear ones (regression). Mainly because linear maps are easy to handle. # The best known case where linear maps make our lives easier are computer graphics. Any scaling of a photo or graphic is a linear map. Even different screen resolutions ended up being linear maps. # Search engines use page ranks of a website to sort their search results. Our "Serlo-page", also gets a ranking this way. To determine the page rank, a so-called Markov chain is used, which is a somewhat more sophisticated linear map. == Linear maps preserve structure == {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Hauptartikel|Properties of linear maps}} {{#lst:Math for Non-Geeks/Properties of linear maps|Overview}} ==Relation to linear functions and affine maps== Linear functions in one dimension take the form <math>f(x)= mx + t</math> with <math>m,t \in \R</math>. They are only linear maps in some cases, namely for <math>t = 0</math>. As an example, for <math>m = 1</math> and <math>t = 2</math>: {{Math|<math>f(x+y)= x + y + 2 \neq x + y + 2 + 2 = f(x) + f(y)</math>}} Maps are in fact linear, if and only if <math>t = 0</math>, i.e., the map takes the form <math>f(x)= mx</math> with <math>m \in \R</math>. The functions of the form <math>f(x)= m x + t</math> are called '''affine-linear maps''' or simply '''affine maps''': They are the sum of a linear map and a constant translational term <math>t</math>. Every linear map is affine-linear, but not the other way round! However, affine maps still map straight lines to straight lines and preserve parallel lines and ratios of distances. We can always decompose an affine map <math>x \mapsto A(x)</math> into a linear map <math>x \mapsto L(x)</math> and a translation <math>x \mapsto x + t</math>. We have that also <math>A(x) = L(x) + t</math>. Because the translations <math>x \mapsto x + t</math> are easy to describe, the linear part is usually more interesting. In the theory we therefore only look at the linear part. == Exercises == === The identity is a linear map === <section begin=aufgabe_identität_linear /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=The identity is a linear map |aufgabe= Let <math>V</math> be a <math>K</math>-vector space. Prove that the identity <math>\operatorname{id}: V\to V</math> with <math>\operatorname{id}(v) = v</math> is a linear map. |beweis= The identity is additive: Let <math>v,w\in V</math>, then. {{Math|<math>\operatorname{id}(v + w) = v + w = \operatorname{id}(v) + \operatorname{id}(w)</math>}} The identity is homogeneous: Let <math>\lambda\in K</math> and <math>v\in V</math>, then {{Math|<math>\operatorname{id}(\lambda \cdot v) = \lambda \cdot v = \lambda \cdot \operatorname{id}(v)</math>}} }} <section end=aufgabe_identität_linear /> === The map to zero is a linear map === <section begin=aufgabe_nullabbildung_linear /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=The map to zero is a linear map |aufgabe= Let <math>V,W</math> be two <math>K</math>-vector spaces. Show that the map to zero <math>f:V\to W</math>, which maps all vectors <math>v\in V</math> to the zero vector <math>0_{{}_W}</math>, is linear. |beweis= <math>f</math> is additive: let <math>v_1,v_2</math> be vectors in <math>V</math>. Then {{Math|<math>f(v_1+v_2) = 0_{{}_W} = 0_{{}_W} + 0_{{}_W} = f(v_1) + f(v_2)</math>}} <math>f</math> is homogeneous: Let <math>v\in V</math> and let <math>\lambda\in K</math>. Then {{Math|<math>f(\lambda \cdot v) = 0_{{}_W}=\lambda\cdot 0_{{}_W}=\lambda\cdot f(v) </math>}} Thus, the map to zero is linear}} <section end=aufgabe_nullabbildung_linear /> === Linear maps on the real numbers === {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=Linear maps on the real numbers |aufgabe= Let <math>g: \R \to \R,\, x \mapsto m \cdot x+t</math> with <math>m, t \in \R</math>. Show that <math>g</math> is a linear map, if and only if <math>t=0</math>. |lösung= Let first <math>g</math> be a linear map. Since linear maps map the origin to the origin, <math>g(0)=0</math> must hold. Now <math>g(0)=t</math> and so <math>t=0</math> must hold. Let now <math>t=0</math>. We show that <math>g: \R \to \R, x \mapsto m \cdot x</math> is linear: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=additivity |beweisschritt= Let <math>x</math> and <math>y</math> be any two real numbers. We have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & g(x+y) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g \right.} \\[0.3em] = & m \cdot (x+y) \\[0.3em] = & m \cdot x + m \cdot y \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g \right.} \\[0.3em] = & g(x) + g(y) \end{align}</math>}} }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=homogeneity |beweisschritt= Let <math>x</math> and <math>\lambda</math> be two real numbers. We have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & g(\lambda \cdot x) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g \right.} \\[0.3em] = & m \cdot (\lambda \cdot x) \\[0.3em] = & m\cdot \lambda\cdot x \\[0.3em] = & \lambda \cdot (m \cdot x) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g \right.} \\[0.3em] = & \lambda \cdot g(x) \end{align}</math>}} }} So <math>g</math> is a linear map, if and only if <math>t=0</math>. }} {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|unten}} {{shelves}} e00dy8fb9ndtqo0ytgvrow7qus55w3r 0 473499 4639341 4635274 2026-06-08T16:38:33Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 corrected typo 4639341 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|oben}} We consider some properties of linear maps between vector spaces. == Overview == <section begin="Overview"/>A linear map, also called vector space homeomorphism, preserves the structure of the vector space. This is shown in the following properties of a linear mapping <math>f:V\to W</math>: * The zero vector is mapped to the zero vector: <math>f(0)=0</math>. * Inverses are mapped to inverses: <math>f(-v)=-f(v)</math>. * Linear combinations are mapped to linear combinations. * Compositions of linear maps are again linear * Images of subspaces are subspaces * The image of a span is the span of the individual image vectors: <math>f(\operatorname{span}(M)) = \operatorname{span}(f(M))</math> (<math>M\subseteq V</math> is supposed to be an arbitrary set)<section end="Overview"/> == Zero vector is mapped to the zero vector == The zero vector / origin has a central meaning in our view of vector spaces. And indeed, the origin is sent to the origin by any linear map. Mathematically, "origin" means the neutral element <math>0</math> of addition. And the <math>0 \to 0</math>-property can be shown as a mathematical theorem: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=Zero vector is mapped to the zero vector |satz= Any linear map <math>f:V\to W</math> between two <math>K</math>-vector spaces maps the neutral element of <math>V</math> to the neutral element in <math>W</math>. Formally, this means <math>f(0_V)=0_W</math>. |lösungsweg= We first start with the vector <math>0_V</math>, which is the neutral element of addition of the vector space <math>V</math>. Thus, it does not change a vector to which it is added. Therefore, we have that in particular <math>0_V +_V 0_V = 0_V</math>. We need the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear map|additivity]] of a linear map. Thus, <math>f(0_V+0_V)=f(0_V)+f(0_V)</math> follows. Using these two properties, we get <math>f(0_V)=f(0_V)+f(0_V)</math>. This equation is satisfied only of <math>0_W</math>. We can subtract <math>f(0_V)</math> on both sides and get <math>f(0_V)=0_W</math>. |beweis= We have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(0_V) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ 0_V = 0_V +_{{}_V} 0_V \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(0_V +_{{}_V} 0_V) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(0_V) +_{{}_W} f(0_V). \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} So we have that {{Math|<math>f(0_V) = f(0_V) +_{{}_W} f(0_V). </math>}} Now, let us add <math>-f(0_V)</math> on both sides: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} 0_W=&f(0_V)+_{{}_W}(-f(0_V))\\[0.3em] =&f(0_V) +_{{}_W} f(0_V)+_{{}_W}(-f(0_V))\\[0.3em] =&f(0_V)+_{{}_W}0_W\\[0.3em] =&f(0_V). \end{align}</math>}} Hence, we have that <math>0_W = f(0_V)</math>. }} == Inverses are mapped to inverses == Another important structure of vector space is that there is an additive inverse <math> -v </math> to every element <math> v </math>. We now want to show that inverses are preserved by linear maps. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel= Inverses are mapped to inverses |lösungsweg= Our goal is to show that <math>f(-v)=-f(v)</math>. We already know that in a vector space <math>V</math> the inverse of any vector <math>v</math> is given by <math>(-1)\cdot_{{}_V}v</math>. Likewise, we have that for any vector <math>w\in W</math> that <math>-w = (-1) \cdot_{{}_W} w</math>. This simplifies the statement to be shown to <math>f((-1)\cdot_{{}_V}v)=(-1)\cdot_{{}_W}f(v)</math>. We can transform the expression <math>f((-1)\cdot_{{}_V}v)</math> into <math>(-1)\cdot_{{}_W}f(v)</math> using the homogeneity of the linear map <math>f</math>. |satz= Each linear map sends the inverse of an element to the inverse of the image of the element. Or within one formula, for all <math>v</math> in <math>V</math> we have that <math>f(-v)=-f(v)</math>. |beweis= Let <math>v</math> be any element of the vector space <math>V</math>. {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(-v) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ -v = (-1) \cdot_{{}_V} v \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f((-1) \cdot_{{}_V} v) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & (-1) \cdot_{{}_W} f(v)\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ (-1) \cdot_{{}_W} f(v) = -f(v) \right.} \\[0.3em] = & -f(v) \end{align}</math>}} Thus, we have that indeed <math>f(-v) = -f(v)</math>. Above, we have used that <math>-v = (-1) \cdot_{{}_V} v</math> for <math>v\in V</math> and <math>-w = (-1) \cdot_{{}_W} w</math> for all <math>w\in W</math>. This holds in every vector space. You can find the proof [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space|here (link missing)]]. |beweis2= Let <math>v</math> again be any element of the vector space <math>V</math>. Our goal is to show that <math>-f(v) = f(-v)</math> holds. Let's start with a statement that we know is true: <math>f(v) + (-f(v)) = 0_V</math>. The addition of an element with its inverse always gives <math>0</math>. So we have that <math>f(v) + (-f(v)) = 0_V</math> . Now, we show that also <math>f(v) + f(-v) = 0_W</math> holds. Since we are working with maps, we should use their properties. For instance, additivity: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(v) +_{{}_W} f(-v) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(v +_{{}_V} (-v)) \\[0.3em] = & f(0_V) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{previous theorem}\right.} \\[0.3em] = & 0_W \end{align}</math>}} Thus, <math>f(v) +_{{}_W} f(-v) = 0_W</math>. It follows that <math>f(-v)</math> is the additive inverse of <math>f(v)</math> with respect to <math>+_{{}_W}</math>. Or, in other words, <math>f(-v) = -f(v)</math>. }} The statement of this theorem also holds in any Abelian group. However, scalar multiplication does not exist there. Hence, the alternative (2nd) version of the proof must be used in this case. == Linear combinations are mapped to linear combinations == Linear mappings preserve the structure of a linear combination and thus map linear combinations in the domain of definition to their corresponding linear combinations in the range of values: <section begin=linear combinations werden auf linear combinations abgebildet /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel= Linear combinations are mapped to linear combinations |satz= A map <math>f:V\to W</math> between two <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math> is a linear map if and only if it preserves linear combinations. That is, every linear map sends the linear combination of elements to the linear combination of the images of the elements. Put in a formula, this means that for finitely many <math>v_1,\dots,v_n \in V</math> and <math>\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n \in K</math> we have that: {{Math|<math>f \left( \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)</math>}} |lösungsweg= We want to show that for all <math>v_i \in V</math> and <math>\lambda_i \in K</math> we have that: <math>f\bigg(\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda_{i}\cdot_{V}v_{i}\bigg) = \sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda_{i} \cdot_{W}f(v_{i}) \iff f</math> is a linear map. We know from the definition of the linear map that additivity and homogeneity hold, and we make use of them. For the direction "left to right" within the proof we choose two linear combinations in such a way that we get the two properties by inserting them into the above formula. For the "right to left" direction we know that <math>f</math> is a linear map. We can show by induction that above formula holds true for all elements. This way, we reduce the linear combination to single addition and scalar multiplication, to which we can apply additivity and homogeneity. |beweis= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>\left(\forall v_1,\dots,v_n \in V\,\forall\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n \in K:\,f\left(\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)\right)\implies f</math> is a linear map. |beweisschritt= Let <math>v,v_1,v_2 \in V</math> and <math>\lambda \in K</math>. The terms <math>v_1+v_2</math> and <math>\lambda \cdot v</math> are two linear combinations in <math>V</math>. If we plug them into the formula <math display="inline">f \left( \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)</math> , we obtain {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(v_1 + v_2) & = f(v_1) + f(v_2) \\[0.5em] f(\lambda \cdot v) & = \lambda \cdot f(w) \end{align}</math>}} So <math>f</math> is by definition a linear map. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel= <math>f</math> is a linear map <math>\implies \left(\forall v_1,\dots,v_n \in V\,\forall\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n \in K:\,f\left(\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)\right)</math>. |beweisschritt= Let <math>f</math> be a linear map. We prove this equation by induction in <math>n</math>: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Vollständige Induktion |erfuellungsmenge=<math>n\in\N</math> |aussageform= {{Math|<math>\forall v_1,\dots,v_n \in V\,\forall\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n \in K:\,f \left( \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)</math>}} |induktionsanfang= We start with the induction with <math>n=1</math> and find that the property of homogeneity is sufficient: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f \left( \lambda_1 \cdot_{{}_V} v_1 \right) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & \lambda_1 \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_1 \right) \end{align} </math>}} |induktionsvoraussetzung= {{Math|<math>\forall v_1,\dots,v_n \in V\,\forall\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n \in K:\,f \left( \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)</math>}} |induktionsbehauptung= {{Math|<math>\forall v_1,\dots,v_n,v_{n+1} \in V\,\forall\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n,\lambda_{n+1} \in K:\,f \left( \sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) =\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right)</math>}} |beweis_induktionsschritt= Let <math>v_1,\dots,v_{n+1} \in V</math> and <math>\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_{n+1} \in K</math>. Then {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f \left( \sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{split the sum} \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f \left( \left( \sum_{i=1}^{n} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) +_{{}_V} \left( \lambda_{n+1} \cdot_{{}_V} v_{n+1} \right) \right) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f \left( \sum_{i=1}^{n} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) +_{{}_W} f\left( \lambda_{n+1} \cdot_{{}_V} v_{n+1} \right) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f \left( \sum_{i=1}^{n} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_V} v_i \right) +_{{}_W} \left( \lambda_{n+1} \cdot_{{}_W} f\left( v_{n+1} \right) \right) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{induction assumption} \right.} \\[0.3em] = & \left( \sum_{i=1}^{n} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right) \right) +_{{}_W} \left( \lambda_{n+1} \cdot_{{}_W} f\left( v_{n+1} \right) \right) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{join the sum} \right.} \\[0.3em] = & \sum_{i=1}^{n+1} \lambda_i \cdot_{{}_W} f \left( v_i \right) \end{align}</math>}} }}}}}} <section end=linear combinations werden auf linear combinations abgebildet /> == Compositions of linear maps are again linear == Let us take two linear maps <math>f:V_1 \to V_2</math> and <math>g:V_2 \to V_3</math>. Both are compatible with the vector space structure and preserve linear combinations. This preservation should also hold for the consecutive execution of both maps <math>g\circ f: V_1 \to V_3</math> with <math>(g\circ f)(v) = g(f(v))</math>. This is mathematically established by the following theorem: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=Composition of linear maps |satz= Let <math>f:V_1 \to V_2</math> and <math>g:V_2 \to V_3</math> be two linear maps between the <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V_1</math>, <math>V_2</math> and <math>V_3</math>. Then the composition <math>g\circ f: V_1 \to V_3</math> of these two maps with <math>(g\circ f)(v) = g(f(v))</math> for <math>v\in V_1</math> is also a linear map. |lösungsweg= We know that the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Function#Anchor:Composition|composition (missing)]] of two maps is again a well-defined map. So we just need to show that <math>g\circ f</math> is linear. To do this, we need to prove that <math>(g\circ f)</math> satisfies [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear map|additivity and homogeneity]]. *For all <math>v_1,\,v_2\in V_1</math> we have that <math>(g\circ f)(v_1 + v_2)=(g\circ f)(v_1)+(g\circ f)(v_2)</math> and *For all <math>\lambda \in K</math> and <math>v\in V</math> we have that <math>(g\circ f)(\lambda \cdot v)</math>. To prove this, we exploit the additivity and homogeneity of the individual maps <math>f</math> and <math>g</math>. |beweis= Let first <math>v_1, v_2 \in V_1</math> be any two vectors. We have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & (g\circ f)(v_1 + v_2) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g\circ f\right.} \\[0.3em] = & g(f(v_1 + v_2)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f\right.} \\[0.3em] = & g(f(v_1) + (v_2)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } g\right.} \\[0.3em] = & g(f(v_1)) + g(f(v_2)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g\circ f \right.} \\[0.3em] & (g\circ f)(v_1) + (g\circ f)(v_2) \end{align}</math>}} For the proof of homogeneity we choose any <math>\lambda\in K</math> and any <math>v\in V_1</math>: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & (g\circ f)(\lambda \cdot v) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g\circ f\right.} \\[0.3em] = & g(f(\lambda \cdot v)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f\right.} \\[0.3em] = & g(\lambda \cdot f(v)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } g\right.} \\[0.3em] = & \lambda \cdot g(f(v)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } g\circ f \right.} \\[0.3em] & \lambda \cdot (g\circ f)(v) \end{align}</math>}} }} == Subspaces are mapped to subspaces == That linear maps preserve the vector space structure can also be seen in the following property: The images of subspaces of a linear map are again subspaces. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=Subspaces are mapped to subspaces |satz= Let <math>f:V\to W</math> be a linear map between two <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>. Then the image <math>f(U)=\{f(v): v\in U\}</math> of every subspace <math>U\subseteq V</math> is again a subspace of <math>W</math>. |beweis= Let <math>U</math> be a subspace of <math>V</math>. The image <math>f(U)=\{f(v): v\in U\}</math> is the set of all function values of arguments from <math>U</math> and thus a subset of the range of values <math>W</math>. To show that <math>f(U)</math> is a subspace, the following criteria must be shown: # <math>f(U) \neq \emptyset</math> # For all <math>w_1, w_2 \in f(U)</math> we have that <math>w_1 + w_2 \in f(U)</math>. # For all <math>w \in f(U)</math> and for all <math>\lambda \in K</math> we have that <math>\lambda \cdot w \in f(U)</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>f(U) \neq \emptyset</math> |beweisschritt= Since <math>U</math> is a subspace of <math>V</math> we have <math>0_V\in U</math>. With <math>f(0_V)</math> , we have at least one element in <math>f(U)</math> and so <math>f(U)\neq \emptyset</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=For all <math>w_1, w_2 \in f(U)</math> we have that <math>w_1 + w_2 \in f(U)</math> |beweisschritt= Let us take any two vectors <math>w_1, w_2 \in f(U)</math>. Because these vectors lie in the image, there are at least two vectors <math>v_1, v_2\in U</math> with <math>f(v_1)=w_1</math> and <math>f(v_2) = w_2</math>. Now {{Math|<math>w_1 + w_2 = f(v_1) + f(v_2) = f(v_1 + v_2)</math>}} Thus <math>w_1+w_2</math> is the image of <math>v_1 + v_2</math> (the vector <math>v_1 + v_2</math> is mapped to <math>w_1+w_2</math>). Because <math>U</math> is a subspace of <math>V</math>, we have that <math>v_1+v_2 \in U</math> and thus <math>w_1+w_2</math> lies in <math>f(U)</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=For all <math>w \in f(U)</math> and for all <math>\lambda \in K</math> we have that <math>\lambda \cdot w \in f(U)</math> |beweisschritt= Let <math>\lambda \in K</math> and <math>w \in f(U)</math>. Since <math>w</math> lies within the image of <math>U</math> , we can find a <math>v\in V</math> with <math>f(v)=w</math>. Now {{Math|<math>\lambda \cdot w = \lambda \cdot f(v) = f(\lambda \cdot v)</math>}} Thus <math>\lambda \cdot w</math> is the image of <math>\lambda \cdot v</math> (the vector <math>\lambda \cdot v</math> is mapped to <math>\lambda \cdot w</math>). Because <math>U</math> is a subspace of <math>V</math>, we have that <math>\lambda \cdot v \in U</math> and thus <math>\lambda \cdot w</math> lies in <math>f(U)</math>.}} }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Hinweis|The above theorem also proves that '''the image <math>f(V)</math> of a linear map <math>f:V\to W</math> is always a vector space'''. This follows from the fact that the vector space <math>V</math> is also a subspace of itself. According to the theorem above <math>f(V) = \{ f(v) : v\in V\}</math> is a subspace of <math>W</math>.}} == Spans are mapped to spans == Now suppose we have a subset <math>M \subseteq V</math>. For this subset, it does not matter whether we first calculate the span and then apply the map or vice versa. This is content of the following theorem: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=Spans are mapped to spans |satz=Let <math>M \subseteq V</math> be any subset (not necessarily a subspace!) of the vector space <math>V</math>. Then we have that for the span of <math>M</math>: {{Math|<math>\operatorname{span}(f(M)) = f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math>}} |lösungsweg= Since we want to show the equality of two sets, we must show that the sets are contained in the other. Once we have shown this, it follows that the two sets are equal. To show that <math>f(\operatorname{span}(M)) \subseteq \operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>, we first choose an arbitrary vector <math>v \in \operatorname{span}(M)</math>. Because this is in the span, it can be written as a linear combination of elements from the set <math>M</math>: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & v = \lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} where <math>\lambda_1, \ldots, \lambda_n \in K</math>. We then apply the linear map to both <math>v</math> and the linear combination of elements from <math>M</math>. This yields the following expression: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(v) = f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n) \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} Then, using the properties of linear maps, we reshape the expression: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(v)=\lambda_1 \cdot f(m_1) + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot f(m_n) \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} Since the right-hand side is contained in <math>\operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>, we have that <math>f(v)\in\operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>. Similarly, we show that <math>\operatorname{span}(f(M)) \subseteq f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math> . Now we need to prove that for any <math>w\in\operatorname{span}(f(M))</math> there exists a vector <math>v\in \operatorname{span}(M)</math> with <math>f(v)=w</math>. We know {{Math|<math> w=\lambda_1 \cdot f(m_1) + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot f(m_n)</math>}} with <math>\lambda_1, \ldots, \lambda_n \in K</math>. Using the linearity of <math>f</math>, we can transform the expression to: {{Math|<math> w = f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n) </math>}} But the right-hand side is in <math>f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math> and thus we have that the same holds for <math>w</math>. |beweis= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>f(\operatorname{span}(M)) \subseteq \operatorname{span}(f(M))</math> |beweisschritt= We first take any vector <math>v \in \operatorname{span}(M)</math>, for which we have that: <math>f(v) = w \in W</math>. Since we know that the vector is in the span of <math>M</math>, there are coefficients <math>\lambda_1, \cdots , \lambda_n \in K</math> and vectors <math>m_1, \cdots , m_n \in M</math>, such that: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & v=\lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} If we now apply our linear map to this expression, we get: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(v)=f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n) \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} We now further transform the right-hand side of this expression using the properties of linear maps: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f\right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1) + \cdots + f(\lambda_n \cdot m_n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & \lambda_1 \cdot f(m_1) + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot f(m_n) \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} On the right-hand side we now have <math>\operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>. So we have shown that <math>w \in \operatorname{span}(f(M))</math> and thus <math>f(\operatorname{span}(M)) \subseteq \operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>\operatorname{span}(f(M)) \subseteq f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math> |beweisschritt= We again choose an arbitrary vector <math>w \in \operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>. Since it is in the span of the map, we can write it as: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & w= \lambda_1 \cdot f(m_1) + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot f(m_n) \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} We can now start transforming the expression in the same way as in the previous proof step: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} w=& \lambda_1 \cdot f(m_1) + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot f(m_n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{homogeneity of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1) + \cdots + f(\lambda_n \cdot m_n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additivity of } f\right.} \\[0.3em] = & f(\lambda_1 \cdot m_1 + \cdots + \lambda_n \cdot m_n) \\[0.3em] \end{align} </math>}} On the right-hand side there is now a vector in <math>f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math>. We have thus shown that <math>w \in f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math> holds. Moreover, we have shown the equality of the sets <math>f(\operatorname{span}(M))</math> and <math>\operatorname{span}(f(M))</math>, as both are contained within each other. }} }} {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|unten}} {{shelves}} k1vguzbvxiorjdcmzu1mkptzd97ad16 0 473501 4639340 4635280 2026-06-08T16:38:23Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 corrected typo 4639340 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|oben}} We will give here a proof structure that shows how to prove linearity of a map. == General procedure == === Recap: Definition of a linear map === We recall that a linear map (or homeomorphism) is a structure-preserving map of a <math>K</math>-vector space <math>V</math> into a <math>K</math>-vector space <math>W</math>. That is, for the map <math>f \colon V \to W</math>, the following two conditions must hold: # <math> f</math> must be additive, i.e., for <math>v,w \in V</math> we have that: <math>f(v + w) = f(v) + f(w)</math> # <math> f</math> must be homogeneous, i.e., for <math>v \in V, \lambda \in K</math> we have that: <math>f(\lambda \cdot v) = \lambda \cdot f(v)</math>. So for a linear map it doesn't matter if we first do the addition or scalar multiplication in the vector space <math>V</math> and then map the sum into the vector space <math>W</math>, or first map the vectors <math>v,\,w</math> into the vector space <math>W</math> and perform the addition or scalar multiplication there, using the images of the map. === Proving that a map is linear === The proof that a map is linear can be done according to the following structure. First, we assume that a map <math>f \colon V \to W</math> is given between vector spaces. That is, <math>V</math> and <math> W</math> are <math>K</math>-vector spaces and <math>f</math> is well-defined. Then for the linearity of <math>f</math> we have to show: # additivity: <math>\forall v,\,w \in V:\quad f(v+w) = f(v) + f(w) </math> # homogeneity: <math>\forall v \in V \, \forall \lambda \in K:\quad f(\lambda \cdot v) = \lambda \cdot f(v)</math> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=Introductory example |aufgabe= We consider the following map {{Math|<math>f\colon \R^2\to\R,\quad f\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix}:=2v_1+v_2</math>}} and show that it is linear. |beweis= First, <math>\R^2</math> and <math>\R</math> are vector spaces over the field <math>\R</math>. Moreover, the map <math>f</math> is well-defined. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=proving additivity |beweisschritt= Let <math>\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix},\,\begin{pmatrix}w_1\\w_2\end{pmatrix} \in \R^2</math>. {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f\left( \begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}w_1\\w_2\end{pmatrix}\right)&=f \begin{pmatrix}v_1+w_1\\v_2+w_2\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ 2(v_1+w_1)+(v_2+w_2)\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{distributive law}\right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ 2v_1+2w_1+v_2+w_2\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{commutative and associative law } \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ (2v_1+v_2)+(2w_1+w_2)\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ f\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix}+f\begin{pmatrix}w_1\\w_2\end{pmatrix} \end{align}</math>}} Thus, we have proved the additivity of <math>f</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=proving homogeneity |beweisschritt= Let <math>\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2</math> and <math>\lambda\in\R</math>. Then, we have {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f\left(\lambda\begin{pmatrix} v_1\\ v_1\end{pmatrix}\right)&=f\begin{pmatrix}\lambda v_1\\\lambda v_2\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ 2\lambda v_1+\lambda v_2\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{distributive law } \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda(2v_1+v_2)\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot f\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix} \end{align}</math>}} Thus, we have proved the homogeneity of <math>f</math>. }} }} == The map to zero == The map to zero is the map which sends every vector to zero. For instance, the map to zero of <math>\R</math> to <math>\R^3</math> looks as follows: {{Math|<math>f\colon \R\to\R^3,\quad x\mapsto\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}</math>}} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=The map to zero linear |aufgabe=Show that the map <math>f\colon \R\to\R^3,\quad x\mapsto\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}</math> is linear. |beweis= We already know that <math>\R</math> and <math>\R^3</math> are both <math>\R</math>-vector spaces, and that the map to zero is well-defined. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=additivity |beweisschritt= For all <math>x,y\in\R</math> we have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(x+y) &=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{additive neutral element} \right.}\\[0.3em] &=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.}\\[0.3em] &=f(x)+f(y) \end{align}</math>}} }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=homogeneity |beweisschritt= For all <math>x\in\R,\lambda\in\R</math> we have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(\lambda\cdot x) &=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{scalar multiplication } \right.}\\[0.3em] &=\lambda\cdot \begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.}\\[0.3em] &=\lambda\cdot f(x)\end{align}</math>}} }} Thus, the map to zero is linear. }} ==An example in <math>\R^2</math>== <section begin=aufgabe_linearität_R^2 /> We consider an example for a linear map of <math>\R^2</math> to <math>\R^2</math>: <math>f \colon \R^2 \to \R^2</math> with <math>f\begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}x_1+x_2\\x_1-5x_2\end{pmatrix}</math> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=Linearity of <math>f</math> |aufgabe=Show that the map <math>f \colon \R^2 \to \R^2,\begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\end{pmatrix}\mapsto\begin{pmatrix}x_1+x_2\\x_1-5x_2\end{pmatrix}</math> is linear. |beweis=<math>\R^2</math> is an <math>\R</math>-vector space. In addition, the map is well-defined. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=additivity |beweisschritt= Let <math>(x_1, x_2)^T</math> and <math>(y_1, y_2)^T</math> be any vectors from the plane <math>\R^2</math>. Then, we have: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f\left(\begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix}y_1\\y_2\end{pmatrix}\right) &=f\begin{pmatrix}x_1+y_1\\x_2+y_2\end{pmatrix} \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of }f \right.} \\[0.3em] & =\begin{pmatrix}(x_1+y_1)+(x_2+y_2)\\(x_1+y_1)-5\cdot(x_2+y_2)\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{distributive law}\right.} \\[0.3em] & =\begin{pmatrix}(x_1+x_2)+(y_1+y_2)\\(x_1-5 x_2)+(y_1-5 y_2)\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{separate vectors} \right.} \\[0.3em] & =\begin{pmatrix} x_1+x_2\\x_1-5 x_2\end{pmatrix} + \begin{pmatrix}y_1+y_2\\y_1-5 y_2\end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of }f \right.} \\[0.3em] & =f\begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\end{pmatrix}+f\begin{pmatrix}y_1\\y_2\end{pmatrix} \end{align}</math>}} }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=homogeneity |beweisschritt= Let <math>\lambda\in\R</math> and <math>(x_1, x_2)^T \in \R^2</math>. Then: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f\left(\lambda \cdot \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}\right) &= f\begin{pmatrix}\lambda \cdot x_1 \\ \lambda \cdot x_2 \end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] &= \begin{pmatrix}\lambda x_1 +\lambda x_2 \\ \lambda x_1 - 5 \lambda x_2 \end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{distributive law} \right.} \\[0.3em] &= \begin{pmatrix}\lambda (x_1 + x_2) \\ \lambda (x_1 - 5 x_2) \end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{scalar multiplication} \right.} \\[0.3em] &= \lambda\cdot \begin{pmatrix} (x_1 + x_2) \\ (x_1 - 5 x_2) \end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } f \right.} \\[0.3em] &= \lambda\cdot f\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \end{pmatrix}\\[0.3em] \end{align}</math>}} }} Thus, the map is linear. }} <section end=aufgabe_linearität_R^2 /> ==A linear map in the vector space of sequences== Next, we consider the space of all sequences of real numbers. This space is infinite-dimensional, because there are not finitely many sequences generating this sequence space. But it is a vector space, as we have shown in the chapter about [[Math_for_Non-Geeks/Sequence_spaces|sequence spaces]]. <section begin=folgenraum_abbildung_linear /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=Sequence space |aufgabe=Let <math>V</math> be the <math>\R</math>-vector space of all real-valued sequences. Show that the map {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f: V&\to V \\ (a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)&\mapsto(a_1,a_2,a_3,\ldots) \end{align}</math>}} is linear. |lösungsweg= To show linearity, two properties need to be checked: # <math>f</math> is additive: <math>f(v+w)=f(v)+f(w)</math> for all <math>v,w\in V</math> # <math>f</math> is homogeneous: <math>f(\lambda\cdot v)=\lambda\cdot f(v)</math> for all <math>v\in V</math> and <math>\lambda\in\R</math> The vectors <math>v</math> and <math>w</math> are sequences of real numbers, i.e. they are of the form <math>v=(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)</math> and <math>w=(b_0,b_1,b_2,\ldots)</math> with <math>a_k,b_k\in\R</math> for all <math>k\in\N_0</math>. |beweis= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=additivity |beweisschritt= Let <math>v=(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)\in V</math> and <math>w=(b_0,b_1,b_2,\ldots)\in V</math>. Then, we have {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(v+w)&= f((a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)+(b_0,b_1,b_2,\ldots))\\[0.3em] &=\ f(a_0+b_0,a_1+b_1,a_2+b_2,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ (a_1+b_1,a_2+b_2,a_3+b_3,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ (a_1,a_2,a_3,\ldots)+(b_1,b_2,b_3,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ f(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)+f(b_0,b_1,b_2,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ f(v)+f(w)\end{align}</math>}} It follows that <math>f</math> is additive.}} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=homogeneity |beweisschritt= Let <math>v=(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)\in V</math> and <math>\lambda\in\R</math>. Then, we have {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(\lambda\cdot v)&=f(\lambda\cdot(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots))\\[0.3em] &=\ f(\lambda a_0,\lambda a_1,\lambda a_2,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ (\lambda a_1,\lambda a_2,\lambda a_3,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot(a_1,a_2,a_3,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot f(a_0,a_1,a_2,\ldots)\\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot f(v) \end{align}</math>}} So <math>f</math> is homogeneous.}} Thus, it was proved that <math>f</math> is a <math>\R</math>-linear map. }} <section end=folgenraum_abbildung_linear /> == Abstract example == In this chapter, we deal with somewhat more abstract vectors. Let <math>M, \,N</math> be arbitrary sets; <math>K</math> a field and <math>V</math> a <math>K</math>-vector space. We now consider the set of all maps/ functions of the set <math>M</math> into the vector space <math>V</math> and denote this set with <math>\text{Fun}(M,V)</math>. Furthermore, we also consider the set of all maps of the set <math>N</math> into the vector space <math>V</math> and denote this set with <math>\text{Fun}(N,V)</math>. The addition of two maps is defined for <math>f,g \in \text{Fun}(M,V)</math> by {{Math|<math>(f+g)(m) = f(m) + g(m)</math>}} Die scalar multiplication is defined for <math>\lambda \in K</math> via {{Math|<math>(\lambda \cdot f)(m) = \lambda \cdot f(m)</math>}} Analogously, we define addition scalar multiplication for <math>\text{Fun}(N,V)</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=The set <math>\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> is a <math>K</math>-vector space |aufgabe= Show that <math>\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> is a <math>K</math>-vector space. |lösungsweg=Simply check the vector space axioms.}} We now show that the composition with a mapping <math>t\in\text{Fun}(N,M)</math> is a linear map from <math>\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> to <math>\text{Fun}(N,V)</math>. <section begin=präkomposition_linear /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=The composition with a map is linear. |aufgabe=Let <math>V</math> be a vector space, let <math>M,N</math> be sets, and let <math>\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> or <math>\text{Fun}(N,V)</math> be the [[Math_for_Non-Geeks/Function_spaces|vector space of functions]] from <math>M</math> or <math>N</math> to <math>V</math>. Let <math>t\in \text{Fun}(N,M)</math> be arbitrary but fixed. We consider the mapping {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \Theta:\text{Fun}(M,V)&\to\text{Fun}(N,V) \\ g&\mapsto g\circ t \end{align}</math>}} Show that <math>\Theta</math> is linear. |erklärung= It is important that you exactly follow the definitions. Note that <math>\Theta</math> is a map that assigns to every map of <math>M</math> to <math>V</math> a map of <math>N</math> to <math>V</math>. These maps, which are elements of <math>\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> and <math>\text{Fun}(N,V)</math> respectively, need not themselves be linear, since there is no vector space structure on the sets <math>M</math> and <math>N</math>. |zusammenfassung= In order to prove the linearity of <math>\Theta</math>, we need to check the two properties again: # <math>\Theta</math> is additive: <math>\Theta(g+h)=\Theta(g)+\Theta(h)</math> for all <math>g,h\in\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> # <math>\Theta</math> is homogeneous: <math>\Theta(\lambda\cdot g)=\lambda\cdot\Theta(g)</math> for all <math>g\in\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> and <math>\lambda\in K</math> So at both points an equivalence of maps <math>N\to V</math> is to be shown. For this, we evaluate the maps at every m element <math>y\in N</math>. |beweis=Let <math>g,h\in\text{Fun}(M,V)</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=additivity |beweisschritt= For all <math>n\in N</math> we have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \Theta(g+h)(n)&= \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } \Theta \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ ((g+h)\circ t)(n) \\[0.3em] &=\ (g+h)(t(n)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{vector addition on Fun}(M,V) \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ g(t(n))+h(t(n)) \\[0.3em] &=\ (g\circ t)(n)+(h\circ t)(n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } \Theta \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ \Theta(g)(n)+\Theta(h)(n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{vector addition on Fun}(N,V) \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ (\Theta(g)+\Theta(h))(n) \end{align}</math>}} Thus, we have shown <math>\Theta(g+h)=\Theta(g)+\Theta(h)</math>, i.e., <math>\Theta</math> is additive.}} Let <math>g\in\text{Fun}(M,V)</math> and <math>\lambda\in K</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=homogeneity |beweisschritt= For all <math>n\in N</math> we have that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \Theta(\lambda\cdot g)(n)&= \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } \Theta \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ ((\lambda\cdot g)\circ t)(n) \\[0.3em] &=\ (\lambda\cdot g)(t(n)) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{scalar multiplication on Fun}(M,V) \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot g(t(n)) \\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot(g\circ t)(n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{definition of } \Theta \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ \lambda\cdot\Theta(g)(n) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{scalar multiplication on Fun}(N,V) \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\ (\lambda\cdot\Theta(g))(n) \end{align}</math>}} Thus, we have shown <math>\Theta(\lambda\cdot g)=\lambda\cdot\Theta(g)</math>, i.e., <math>\Theta</math> is homogeneous.}} Now, additivity and homogeneity of <math>\Theta</math> implies that <math>\Theta</math> is a linear map. }} <section end=präkomposition_linear /> {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|unten}} {{shelves}} oi5qjmvjboeu9s9cm9evav99ee6sdfq 0 473503 4639339 4635284 2026-06-08T16:38:15Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 corrected typo 4639339 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|oben}} Linear maps preserve linear combinations. We now learn about special linear maps that preserve generators. These are called ''epimorphisms''. == Motivation and derivation == In the article on [[Math for Non-Geeks/Monomorphisms|monomorphisms]] we considered linear maps which map linearly independent vectors to linearly independent vectors. There we found out that these maps are exactly injective linear maps. Injective linear maps therefore "preserve" linear independence. Using the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear independence|linear independence]], we could express the intuitive dimension notion in mathematical (linear algebra) terms. There, we also encountered [[Math for Non-Geeks/Generators|generators]]. Now: Are there also linear maps that preserve generators? So let <math>V,W</math> be two <math>K</math>-vector spaces over the same field <math>K</math> and <math>\{v_1, \ldots, v_n \} \subseteq V</math> a generator. Now, what properties must a linear map <math>f:V \to W</math> satisfy, in order for <math>\{ f(v_1), \ldots , f(v_n) \} </math> being a generator of vector space <math> W </math>? For this, we would need to be able to represent any <math>w \in W</math> as a linear combination of <math>f(v_i)</math>. That is, we need to find <math>\lambda_1,\ldots,\lambda_n \in K</math> such that {{Math|<math>w=\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i f(v_i).</math>}} Since the map <math> f </math> is linear, this is equivalent to {{Math|<math>w=f\left(\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i v_i\right).</math>}} So <math>w</math> must be in the image of <math>f</math>. This is said to hold for every <math>w\in W</math>. Thus <math>f(V)=W</math> is a necessary condition for <math>f</math> to preserve generators. Is this also a sufficient condition? Let <math>f(V)=W</math>. We investigate whether every <math>w\in W</math> can be represented as a linear combination of <math>f(v_i)</math>. Because <math>f(V)=W</math> we have for any <math>w\in W</math> a vector <math>v\in V</math> with <math>f(v)=w</math>. Since <math>v_1, \ldots, v_n</math> is a generator of <math>V</math>, there are some linear combination factors <math>\lambda_1,\ldots ,\lambda_n</math> with {{Math|<math>v=\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_iv_i.</math>}} So we can write <math>w</math> as: {{Math|<math>w=f\left(\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_iv_i\right)=\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_if(v_i)</math>}} And hence <math>w</math> is within the generated space of the <math>f(v_i)</math>. Thus, the linear map <math>f</math> preserves generators if and only if <math>f(V)=W</math>. Moreover, <math>f</math> satisfies <math>f(V)=W</math> exactly if <math>f</math> is surjective. Thus, a linear map must be '''surjective''' to have the generating property. We call surjective linear maps '''epimorphisms'''. == Definition == {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Definition |titel=Epimorphism |definition= An epimorphism is a surjective linear map <math>f\colon V \to W</math> between two <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>. That is: to every <math> w \in W</math> there is a <math> v \in V</math> such that <math>w = f(v)</math>. }} == Equivalent characterization of epimorphisms == We have already considered in the motivation that surjective linear maps are exactly the maps that preserve generators.<br> Because the case of finite generators is more important than the general statement, we consider this case first. Then we investigate what we need to change for the general case: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |satz=Let <math>f\colon V \to W</math> be a linear map and let <math>\lbrace v_1, \dots ,v_n\rbrace \subseteq V</math> be a generator of <math>V</math>. The linear map <math>f</math> is an epimorphism exactly if <math>\lbrace f(v_1), \dots, f(v_n) \rbrace</math> is a generator of <math>W</math>. |beweis= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=„<math>f</math> is an epimorphism“ <math>\implies</math> „<math>\lbrace f(v_1), \dots, f(v_n) \rbrace</math> is a generator“ |beweisschritt=Let <math>w \in W </math> be arbitrary. Then according to precondition there is a vector <math> v \in V</math> with <math>f(v) = w</math>. Since <math>\lbrace v_1,\ldots,v_n\rbrace</math> generates the vector space <math>V</math>, there are linear combination factors <math>\lambda_1,\ldots, \lambda_n</math> with <math>v = \sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_i v_i</math>. Hence, we have: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} w = f(v) = f\left(\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_i v_i\right) = \sum_{i=1}^n f\left(\lambda_i v_i\right) = \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i f(v_i). \end{align}</math>}} So <math>w \in W </math> can be represented as a linear combination of <math> f(v_1), \ldots , f(v_n) </math>. Since <math> w </math> was arbitrary, <math> f(v_1), \ldots , f(v_n)\rbrace </math> is a generator of <math>W</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=„<math>\lbrace f(v_1), \dots, f(v_n) \rbrace</math> is a generator“ <math>\implies</math> „<math>f</math> is an epimorphism“ |beweisschritt=Let <math>w \in W </math> be arbitrary. We have to show that there is a vector <math>v \in V</math> with <math>f(v)=w</math>. Since <math>W</math> is generated by <math>\{\, f(v_1), \ldots , f(v_n) \,\}</math>, there exist scalars <math>\lambda_1, \ldots, \lambda_n \in K</math> (for linear combination) with <math>w = \sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_i f(v_i)</math>. We now set <math>v := \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i v_i </math>: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(v) = f\left(\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i v_i\right) = \sum_{i=1}^n f\left(\lambda_i v_i\right) = \sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i f(v_i) = w. \end{align}</math>}} This proves that <math>f</math> is surjective, that is, an epimorphism. }} }} Now we generalize to vector spaces of arbitrary dimension: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |satz=Let <math>f\colon V \to W</math> be a linear map and let <math>M\subseteq V</math> be a generator of <math>V</math>. The linear map <math>f</math> is an epimorphism if and only if <math> f(M)</math> is a generator of <math>W</math>. |beweis=We can almost copy the proof from above: Since <math>M\subseteq V</math> is a generator of <math>V</math>, this means that every vector <math>v\in V</math> has a representation as a linear combination <math>v=\sum_{i=1}^n \lambda_i v_i</math>, where <math>\lambda_1,\ldots, \lambda_n</math> are scalars and <math>v_1,\ldots ,v_n</math> are from <math>M</math>. The only thing that changes is that the sums no longer have a fixed number of summands. In the proof above, we could always run the sums of <math>1</math> to <math>n</math>. Here, the number of summands depends on the vectors <math>v</math> and <math>w</math>, respectively. But it is still a finite number of summands. Therefore, the rest of the proof is the same as within the finite case. }} We will now be introduced to a second (category-theoretic) characterization of epimorphisms, the possibility of being "right shortened": {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=Epimorphisms can be right shortened |satz=Let <math>f \colon V \to W</math> be a homeomorphism. Then the following statements are equivalent # <math>f</math> is an epimorphism. # For all vector spaces <math>U</math> and all <math>a, b \colon W \to U</math> with <math>a \circ f = b \circ f</math> we have that <math>a = b </math>. One also says that the epimorphism can be "right shortened". |beweis= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=1.<math>\implies</math>2., by direct proof |beweisschritt=Let <math>f\colon V \to W</math> be an epimorphism, i.e., <math>f</math> is surjective. Let <math>U</math> be a vector space, and <math>a,b\colon W \to U</math>, such that <math>a\circ f = b\circ f</math>. We want to show that <math>a = b</math> holds. Since <math>a</math> and <math>b</math> are maps with same domain of definition <math>W</math> and same range <math>U</math>, we need to show that <math>a(w) = b(w)</math> holds for all <math>w \in W</math>. So consider any <math>w \in W</math>. Since <math>f</math> is surjective, there exists a <math>v \in V</math> with <math>f(v) = w</math>. Now, <math>a(w) = a(f(v)) = (a \circ f)(v) = (b \circ f)(v) = b(f(v)) = b(w)</math>. Since we have chosen <math>w</math> arbitrary, we obtain <math>a = b</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=2.<math>\implies</math>1., proof by contradiction |beweisschritt=Let <math>f\colon V \to W</math> be a homeomorphism. Suppose <math>f</math> is not an epimorphism, i.e., not surjective. Then there is a <math>w \in W</math> with <math>w \notin \operatorname{im}f</math>. In particular, <math>w \neq 0</math> since <math>0 = f(0) \in \operatorname{im} f</math>. We extend <math>\lbrace w \rbrace</math> to a basis <math>B</math> of <math>W</math>. Now, let us define two homeomorphisms <math>a,b\colon W \to W</math>. First we set <math>a := \operatorname{id}_W</math>. Further, we define <math>b</math> using the principle of linear continuation on the basis <math>B</math>: <math>b\colon v \mapsto 0, b \mapsto b</math> for all <math>b \in B \setminus \{v\}</math>. Next we show <math>a \circ f = b\circ f</math>: Consider some <math>v\in V</math>. Then <math>f(v) \in \operatorname{span}(B \setminus \{v\})</math>, since <math>w \notin \operatorname{in}f</math>. As <math>a|_{\operatorname{span}(B \setminus \{v\})} = \operatorname{Id}_{\operatorname{span}(B \setminus \{v\})} = b|_{\operatorname{span}(B \setminus \{v\})}</math>, we indeed have <math>a(f(v)) = b(f(v))</math>. But <math>a \neq b</math>, since <math>a(w) = w \neq 0 = b(w)</math>. This is a contradiction to the assumption, and it follows that <math>f</math> is an epimorphism. }} }} == Examples == {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel= We consider the vector spaces <math>\R^n</math> and <math>\R^m</math> with <math>n \geq m</math>, as well as the linear map {{Math| <math>\begin{align} f \colon \R^n &\to \R^m, \\ ({\color{blue}x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_m},x_{m+1},\ldots,x_n) &\mapsto ({\color{blue}x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_m}). \end{align}</math>}} For this map, we simply truncate the last <math>n-m</math> components. This makes it clear why we must require <math>n \geq m</math> (if <math>n = m</math>, the map is simply the identity). This map is an epimorphism: Let <math>({\color{blue}x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_m}) \in \R^m</math>. Then, we have <math>f({\color{blue}x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_m}, \underbrace{0, \dots, 0}_{n-m \text{ zeros} }) = ({\color{blue}x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_m})</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel=For a field <math>K</math> and two <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V,W</math> , the following map is an epimorphism: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f:V \oplus W &\to V, \\ (v,w) &\mapsto v \end{align}</math>}} Here <math>V \oplus W</math> denotes the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Outer direct sum|Outer direct sum (missing)]]. We first show for this that the map <math> f</math> is linear. Consider some <math>(v,w),(v',w') \in V \oplus W </math>, as well as <math> \lambda \in K </math>. Then <math>f((v,w)+(v',w'))=f((v+v',w+w'))=v+v'=f((v,w))+f((v',w'))</math> and <math>f(\lambda \cdot (v,w))=f((\lambda v, \lambda w))=\lambda v= \lambda f((v,w)) </math>. This establishes linearity. Let now <math> v \in V</math> be arbitrary. Then <math> f((v,w))=v </math> for every <math>w \in W</math>. That is, <math>(v,w)</math> is a preimage of <math>v</math> under <math>f</math>. Thus <math>f</math> is an epimorphism. If <math>W</math> is not the null space, then there are even multiple (perhaps infinitely many) preimages. }} == Exercises == {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel= |aufgabe= We consider <math>\R^3</math>. By <math>e_1:=(1,0,0),e_2:=(0,1,0), e_3:=(0,0,1)</math>, we denote the standard basis. Let <math>f:\R^3 \to \R^2</math> be the unique linear map given by the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear continuation|principle of linear continuation]] and {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f(e_1) = \begin{pmatrix}1\\1\end{pmatrix},\, f(e_2) = \begin{pmatrix}1\\-1\end{pmatrix},\, f(e_3) = \begin{pmatrix}1\\-1\end{pmatrix} \end{align}</math>}} Show that <math>f</math> is an epimorphism. |lösung=By construction, <math>f</math> is a linear map. We want to show that <math>\{f(e_1), f(e_2), f(e_3) \}=\{(1,1),(1,-1)\}</math> is a generator of <math>\R^2</math>. Then, we have with the above theorem that <math>f</math> is an epimorphism. So, we must represent every <math>(x,y) \in \R^2</math> as a linear combination of vectors <math>(1,1),(1,-1)</math>. Accordingly, we search linear combination scalars <math>\lambda, \mu \in \R</math> such that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \begin{pmatrix} x\\y \end{pmatrix}= \lambda \begin{pmatrix} 1\\1 \end{pmatrix} + \mu \begin{pmatrix} 1\\-1 \end{pmatrix}. \end{align}</math>}} From this we get the linear system of equations {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \begin{align}x &=\lambda + \mu \\ y &=\lambda - \mu , \end{align} \end{align}</math>}} which is solved by <math>\lambda=\frac{x+y}{2}</math> and <math>\mu=\frac{x-y}{2} </math>. So we have <math>\begin{pmatrix} x\\y \end{pmatrix}= \frac{x+y}{2}\begin{pmatrix} 1\\1 \end{pmatrix} + \frac{x-y}{2} \begin{pmatrix} 1\\-1 \end{pmatrix}</math> for all <math>x,y \in \R</math>. Thus <math>\{(1,1),(1,-1)\}</math> is a generator. This proves that <math> f</math> is an epimorphism. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel= |aufgabe=Consider the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Function spaces|function space]] <math>\operatorname{Fun}([0,1],\R)</math> of all function s mapping <math>\R</math> to <math>\R</math>, as well as the map {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \phi \colon \operatorname{Fun}([0,1],\R) &\to \R, \\ f &\mapsto f(0). \end{align}</math>}} Show that <math> \phi </math> is an epimorphism. |lösung=The operations on the function space are defined element-wise in each case. That is: for <math>f,g \in \operatorname{Fun}([0,1],\R)</math>, <math>\lambda \in \R </math> and <math>x \in [0,1]</math> we have that <math>(f+g)(x)=f(x)+g(x)</math> and <math>(\lambda f)(x)= \lambda f(x)</math>. In particular, this is true for <math>x=0</math>, which implies {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \phi(f+g)=(f+g)(0)=f(0)+g(0)= \phi(f)+\phi(g) \end{align}</math>}} and {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \phi(\lambda f)=(\lambda f)(0)=\lambda f(0)=\lambda \phi(f) \end{align}</math>}} Thus, we have shown the linearity. To prove surjectivity, let <math> c \in \R </math> be arbitrary. We need to show that there is a <math> f: [0,1] \to \R</math> with <math>f(0)=c</math>. Such a map exists, since e.g. the constant function {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f: [0,1] \to \R, \, x \mapsto c \end{align}</math>}} has the desired properties. Every <math> c \in \R</math> thus has a preimage, so <math>\phi</math> is an epimorphism. }} {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|unten}} {{shelves}} pyol474llomyv6lpzxi3g93tg03opvi 0 473506 4639338 4635296 2026-06-08T16:37:49Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 corrected typo 4639338 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|oben}} The image of a linear map <math>f\colon V \to W</math> is the set of all vectors in <math>W</math> that are "hit by <math>f</math>". This set of vectors forms a subspace of <math>W</math> and can be used to make the linear map <math>f</math> surjective. == Derivation == [[File:Tilted-plane-in-three-dimensial-space.png|thumb|Image of the linear map <math>f\colon \R^2 \to \R^3;</math><math> (x,y)^T\mapsto (x,y,-0{.}5x)^T</math>]] [[File:Animation of skewed projection on x axis.gif|thumb|Visualization of the linear map <math>f\colon \R^2 \to \R^2;</math><math> (x,y)^T \mapsto (x+y, 0)^T</math>]] We consider a linear map <math>f:V\to W</math> between two <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>. A vector <math>v\in V</math> is transformed by <math>f</math> into a vector <math>f(v)\in W</math>. The mapping <math>f</math> does not necessarily hit all elements from <math>W</math>, because <math>f</math> is not necessarily surjective. The mapped vectors <math>f(v)</math> form a subset <math> \{f(v) | v \in V\} \subseteq W </math>. This set is called ''image of <math>f</math>''. Since <math>f</math> is [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear map|linear]], <math>f</math> preserves the structure of the vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>. Therefore, we conjecture that <math>f</math> maps the vector space <math>V</math> into a vector space. Consequently, the image of <math>f</math>, i.e., the set <math> \{f(v) | v \in V\}</math> should be a [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace|subspace]] of <math>W</math>. We will indeed prove this in a theorem below. == Definition == {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Definition |titel=Image of a linear map |definition= Let <math>V</math> and <math>W</math> be two <math>K</math>-vector spaces and <math>f:V \to W</math> a linear map. Then we call <math> \operatorname{im}(f):= \lbrace f(v)|v\in V \rbrace</math> the ''image'' of <math>f</math>.}} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Hinweis|In the literature, the notation <math>f(V)</math> is also often used instead of <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> for the image of <math>f</math>. }} In the derivation we already considered that <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> should be a [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace|subspace]] of <math>W</math>. We now prove this as a theorem. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=The image is a subspace |satz=Let <math>f:V \rightarrow W</math> a linear map between the <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>. Then <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> is a subspace of <math>W</math>. |beweis=To show that <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> is a subspace, we need to check the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace#Anchor:Beweise UVR|subspace criteria]]: # <math> \operatorname{im}(f) \subseteq W</math> # <math> 0_W\in\operatorname{im}(f) </math> # For all <math>w_1, w_2 \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> we have <math>w_1 + w_2 \in \operatorname{im} (f)</math>. # For all <math>w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> and for all <math>\rho \in K</math> we have <math>\rho \cdot w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math> \operatorname{im}(f) \subseteq W</math> |beweisschritt= For every <math>v\in V</math> we have <math>f(v)\in W</math>. So <math>\operatorname{im}(f)=\{f(v)|v\in V\}\subseteq W</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>0_W\in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> |beweisschritt= Since <math>f</math> is a linear map, it holds that <math>f(0_V)= 0_W</math> . Thus <math>0_W \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>.}} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=For all <math>w_1, w_2 \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> we have <math>w_1 + w_2 \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>. |beweisschritt= Consider <math>w_1, w_2 \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> as given. That means, we can choose vectors <math>v_1</math> and <math>v_2</math> from <math>V</math> with <math>f(v_1)=w_1</math> and <math>f(v_2)=w_2</math>. We now show that <math>w_1 + w_2 \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> . To do this, we need to find a vector in <math>V</math> that is mapped by <math>f</math> to <math>w_1 + w_2</math>. Now {{Math|<math>\begin{align} & w_1 + w_2 \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ f(v_1) = w_1 \text{ and } f(v_2) = w_2\right.} \\[0.3em] =\ &f(v_1) + f(v_2) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ f \text{ is linear}\right.} \\[0.3em] =\ &f(v_1 + v_2) \end{align}</math>}} As <math>f(v_1 + v_2) = w_1 + w_2</math> and <math>v_1+v_2\in V</math> we have that <math>w_1 + w_2</math> is inside the image of <math>f</math>.}} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel= For all <math>w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> and for all <math>\rho \in K</math> we have <math>\rho \cdot w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>. |beweisschritt= Let <math>w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math> and <math>\rho \in K</math>. Then there is a vector <math>v \in V</math> with <math>f(v) = w</math>. We need to show that there is a vector in <math>V</math> that is mapped to <math>\rho \cdot w</math>. It holds: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} &\rho \cdot w \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ w = f(v)\right.} \\[0.3em] =\ &\rho \cdot f(v) \\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ f \text{ is linear}\right.} \\[0.3em] =\ &f(\rho \cdot v) \end{align}</math>}} Now, since <math>\rho \cdot v \in V</math> we have that <math>\rho \cdot w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>.}} }} == Image and surjectivity == We already know that a mapping <math>f: V \to W</math> is [[Math for Non-Geeks/Function#Anchor:Surjektivität|surjective]] if and only if the mapping "hits" all elements of <math>W</math>. Formally, this means that <math>f: V \to W</math> is surjective if and only if <math>\operatorname{im}(f) = W</math>. Now if <math>f</math> is a linear map, then <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> is a [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace#Anchor:Eigenschaften der Dimension|subspace]] of <math>W</math>. In particular, if <math>W</math> is finite-dimensional, then <math>f</math> is surjective exactly if <math>\dim{W} = \dim({\operatorname {im}(f)})</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel= The identity <math> \operatorname{id}\colon \R^2 \to \R^2, (x,y) \mapsto (x,y) </math> is a linear map. It is surjective, because every element <math>(x,y)^T\in \R^2</math> has the preimage <math>(x,y)^T\in\R^2</math>. Hence, we have <math>\operatorname{im}(\operatorname{id}) = \R^2 </math> and in particular <math>\dim({\operatorname{im}(\operatorname{id})}) = 2 = \dim(\R^2)</math>. The map <math> f\colon \R^3 \to \R^2, (x,y,z) \mapsto (x,y)</math> is also linear. Further, each element <math>(x,y)^T\in \R^2</math> has a preimage, for example <math>(x,y,0)^T\in\R^3</math>. Thus, we have shown <math>\operatorname{im}(f) = \R^2</math> and thus, <math>f</math> is surjective. In particular <math>\dim({\operatorname{im}(f)}) = 2 = \dim(\R^2) </math>. The embedding <math>e\colon \R^2 \to \R^3, (x,y) \to (x,y,0) </math> is also linear, but not surjective. The vector <math>(0,0,1)^T</math> is not contained in <math>\operatorname{im}(f) = \{(x,y,0)\mid x,y\in\R\}</math>. Thus <math> \dim({\operatorname{im}(e)}) < \dim(\R^3) </math> must hold. And indeed <math> \dim({\operatorname{im}(e)}) = 2 < 3 = \dim(\R^3)</math>. }} Sometimes it is useful to show the surjectivity of <math>f</math> by proving <math>\dim(\operatorname{im}(f)) = \dim W</math>. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel= We consider the linear map <math>f\colon \R^3 \to \R^2; (x,y,z) \mapsto (2x-7y+3z, 2y-3z)</math> and ask if <math>f</math> is surjective. We want to answer the question by determining the dimension of <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> and comparing it with <math>\dim(\R^2) = 2</math>. To do this, we first look for linearly independent vectors in the image of <math>f</math>. The vectors <math>f((1,0,0)^T) = (2,0)^T</math> and <math>f((0,1,0^T)) = (-7,2)</math> are linearly independent. Therefore, <math>\dim(\operatorname{im}(f)) \ge 2 = \dim(\R^2)</math>. Now <math>\operatorname{im}(f) \subseteq \R^2</math> from which we get <math>\dim(\operatorname{im}(f)) \le \dim(\R^2)</math>. Thus, we obtain <math>\dim(\operatorname{im}(f)) = \dim(\R^2)</math> and <math>f</math> is surjective. }} ==The relationship between image and generating system== We have seen in the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Epimorphisms#Satz:Epimorphismen erhalten Erzeugendensysteme|article on epimorphisms]], that a linear map <math>f\colon V\to W</math> preserves generators of <math>V</math> if and only if it is surjective. In this case, the image of each generator of <math>V</math> generates the entire vector space <math>W</math>. In particular, the image of each generator of <math>V</math> generates the image <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> of <math>f</math>. The last statement holds also for non-surjective linear maps: {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Satz |titel=The image is the span of the images of a generating system |satz=Let <math>f\colon V \to W</math> be a linear map between two <math>K</math>-vector spaces <math>V</math> and <math>W</math>. Let <math>E \subseteq V</math> be a generator of <math>V</math>. Then: {{Math|<math>\operatorname{span}(f(E)) = \operatorname{im}(f).</math>}} |beweis=We show the two inclusions. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>\subseteq</math> |beweisschritt=Let <math>w \in \operatorname{span}(f(E))</math>. Then there are <math>n \in \N</math>, <math>b_1, \dots, b_n \in f(E)</math> and coefficients <math>\lambda_1, \dots, \lambda_n\in K</math>, such that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} w = \sum_{i = 1}^n \lambda_i b_i. \end{align}</math>}} Since the <math>b_i</math> are in <math>f(E)</math>, there exist some <math>e_i \in E</math> with <math>f(e_i) = b_i</math> for <math>1 \leq i \leq n</math>. Then, because of the linearity of <math>f</math>, we have {{Math|<math>\begin{align} w = \sum_{i = 1}^n \lambda_i b_i = \sum_{i = 1}^n \lambda_i f(e_i) = f\left(\sum_{i = 1}^n \lambda_i e_i \right) \in \operatorname{im}(f). \end{align}</math>}} }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel=<math>\supseteq</math> |beweisschritt=Let <math>w \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>. Then there is a <math>v \in V</math> with <math>f(v) = w</math>. Since <math>E</math> is a generator of <math>V</math>, there are an <math>n \in \N</math>, <math>e_1, \dots, e_n \in E</math> and coefficients <math>\lambda_1, \dots, \lambda_n \in K</math>, such that {{Math|<math>\begin{align} v = \sum_{i = 1}^n \lambda_i e_i. \end{align}</math>}} Now, linearity of <math>f</math> finally implies: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} w = f(v) = \sum_{i = 1}^n \lambda_i \underbrace{f(e_i)}_{\in f(E)} \in \operatorname{span}(f(E)). \end{align}</math>}} }} }} == Image and linear system {{Anchor|Bild und LGS}} == Let <math>A</math> be an <math>(n \times m)</math> matrix and <math>b\in K^n</math>. The associated system of linear equations is <math>Ax = b</math>. We can also interpret the matrix <math>A</math> as a [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Matrices#Anchor:induzierte Abbildung|linear map]] <math>f_A: K^m \to K^n,\ x \mapsto Ax</math>. In particular, the image <math>\operatorname{im}(f_A)</math> of <math>f_A</math> is a subset of <math>K^n</math>. If <math>b\in \operatorname{im}(f_A)</math>, there is some <math>x_0\in K^m</math> such that <math>f_A(x_0)=b</math>. By definition of <math>f_A</math> we have <math>Ax_0=b</math>. Thus, the linear system of equations <math>Ax=b</math> is solvable. Conversely, if <math>Ax = b</math> is solvable, then there exists an <math>x_0\in K^m</math> with <math>A x_0 = b</math>. For this <math>x_0</math>, we now have <math>f_A(x_0) = b</math>. Thus <math>b \in \operatorname{im}(f_A)</math>. So the image gives us a criterion for the solvability of systems of linear equations: A linear system of equations <math>Ax=b</math> is solvable if and only if <math>b</math> lies in the image of <math>f_A</math>. However, the criterion makes no statement about the uniqueness of solutions. For this, one can use the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Kernel of a linear map#Anchor:Kern und LGS|kernel]]. == Examples == We will now look at how to determine the image of a linear map. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel=Let us consider the linear map {{Math|<math>f\colon \R^2 \to \R^2,\quad \begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\end{pmatrix}\mapsto \begin{pmatrix}x_1\\0\end{pmatrix}.</math>}} This is a projection to the <math>x</math> axis. Intuitively, then, the image of <math>f</math> should be the <math>x</math>-axis, i.e. {{Math|<math>\operatorname{im}(f) = \left\{\begin{pmatrix}x\\ 0\end{pmatrix}; x\in \R\right\}.</math>}} We now want to prove this: If <math>(x_1,x_2)^T \in \operatorname{im}(f)</math>, then there exists some <math>(z_1,z_2)^T\in\R^2</math> with <math>(x_1,x_2)^T=f((z_1,z_2)^T)=(z_1,0)^T</math>. So <math>x_2 = 0</math>. Conversely, because <math>f((x_1,0)^T) = (x_1,0)^T</math> every vector of the form <math>(x_1,0)^T</math> has a preimage under <math>f</math>. So every such vector lies in <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math>. This proves the desired statement. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel=Let <math>K</math> be a field. We consider the linear map {{Math|<math>f\colon K^2 \to K^3,\quad \begin{pmatrix}x\\ y\end{pmatrix}\mapsto \begin{pmatrix}x+y\\ -x\\ y\end{pmatrix}.</math>}} We want to determine the image of <math>f</math>. To do this, we exploit the fact that <math>\{e_1 = (1,0)^T, e_2 = (0,1)^T\}</math> is a basis of <math>K^2</math> , so in particular it is a generator. We have seen in the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Image of a linear map#Satz:Das Bild ist der Spann der Bilder eines Erzeugendensystems|last section]] that then <math>\operatorname{im}(f) = \operatorname{span}(f(e_1),f(e_2))</math>. We can specify this space explicitly by calculating the span: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \operatorname{im}(f) &= \operatorname{span}(f(e_1),f(e_2))\\[1em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{Insert definition of the span} \right.} \\[1em] &= \left\{\lambda \cdot \begin{pmatrix}1\\-1\\0\end{pmatrix} + \mu \cdot \begin{pmatrix}1\\0\\1\end{pmatrix}; \lambda,\mu \in K\right\}\\[1em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{Add up} \right.} \\[1em] &= \left\{\begin{pmatrix}\lambda + \mu\\-\lambda\\\mu\end{pmatrix}; \lambda,\mu \in K\right\}\\[1em] &{\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{ replace }\lambda\text{ by }-x\text{ and }\mu\text{ by }y \right.} \\[1em] &= \left\{\begin{pmatrix}y-x\\x\\y\end{pmatrix}; x,y \in K\right\} \end{align}</math>}} }} After considering two examples in finite-dimensional vector spaces, we can venture to an example with an infinite-dimensional vector space. We consider the same function in the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Kernel of a linear map#Anchor:Ableitungs-Beispiel|examples for determining the kernel of a linear map]]. {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beispiel |beispiel=Our goal is to determine the image of the linear map of the derivative <math>d</math> of polynomials over <math>\R</math>. The set <math>\lbrace 1, X, X^2, X^3, \dots \rbrace</math> is a basis of <math>\R \lbrack X \rbrack</math>. The derivative function <math>d: \R \lbrack X \rbrack \rightarrow \R \lbrack X \rbrack</math> is defined by <math>d(X^i):= i \cdot X^{i-1}</math> for all <math>i \in \N</math>. We now want to know whether <math>d</math> is surjective. To do this, we note that <math>d(\tfrac{1}{i+1}\cdot X^{i+1}) = X^i</math> holds for every <math>i \ge 0</math>. Thus, every basis element of <math>\R[X]</math> is hit. So <math>\operatorname{im}(f) \supseteq \operatorname{span}(1, X, X^2, \dots) = \R[X]</math>, and <math>d</math> is indeed surjective. }} When [[Math_for_Non-Geeks/Linear_systems_and_matrices|solving systems of linear equations]], we will see many more examples. We will also learn a methodical way of solving for the determination of images. == Making linear maps "epic" == We now want to construct a surjective linear map from a given linear map <math>f\colon V \to W</math>. If we consider <math>f</math> to be a mapping of sets, we already know how to accomplish this: We restrict the target set of <math>f</math> to <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> and get some restricted mapping <math>f'\colon V \to\operatorname{im}(f); v \mapsto f(v)</math>. Now, we just need to check that <math>f'</math> is linear. But this is clear because <math>\operatorname{im}(f) \subseteq W</math> is a subspace of <math>W</math>. So all we need to do to make <math>f</math> surjective (i.e., an ''epi-morphism'') is to restrict the objective of <math>f</math> to <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math>. This method also gives us an approach for making functions between other structures surjective: We need to check that the restriction on the image preserves the structure. For example, for a group homeomorphism <math>\varphi\colon G \to H</math> we can show that <math>\operatorname{im}(\varphi)</math> is again a group and <math>\varphi'\colon G \to \operatorname{im}(\varphi); g \mapsto \varphi(g)</math> is again a group homeomorphism. == Outlook: How surjective is a linear map? - The cokernel == In the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Kernel of a linear map|article about the kernel]] we see that the kernel "stores" exactly that information which a linear map <math>f\colon V\to W</math> "eliminates". Further, <math>f</math> is injective if and only if <math>\ker(f) = 0</math> and the kernel intuitively represents a "measure of the non-injectivity" of <math>f</math>. We now want to construct a similar measure of the surjectivity of <math>f</math>. The image of <math>f</math> is not sufficient for this purpose: For example, the images of <math>g\colon \R^2 \to \R^2; (x,y)^T\mapsto (x,y)^T</math> and <math>h \colon \R^2\to \R^3; (x,y) \mapsto (x,y,0)</math> are isomorphic, but <math>g</math> is surjective and <math>h</math> is not. From the image alone, no conclusions can be drawn as of whether <math>f</math> is surjective, because surjectivity also depends on the target space <math>W</math>. To measure "non-surjectivity," on the other hand, we need a vector space that measures, which part of <math>W</math> is not hit by <math>f</math>. The space <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> contains the information, which vectors are hit by <math>f</math>. The goal is to "remove this information" from <math>W</math>. We have already realized this "removal of information" in the article on the factor space by taking the quotient space <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math>. We call this space <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math> the '''cokernel''' of <math>f</math>. It is indeed suitable for characterizing the ''non-surjectivity'' of <math>f</math>, because <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math> is equal to the null space <math>\{0\}</math> if and only if <math>f</math> is surjective: A vector in <math>W</math> that is not hit by <math>f</math> yields a nontrivial element in <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math> and, conversely, a nontrivial element in <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math> yields an element in <math>W</math> that is not hit by <math>f</math>. The cokernel even measures '''how non-surjective''' <math>f</math> is exactly: if <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math> is larger, more vectors are not hit by <math>W</math>. If <math>W</math> is finite dimensional, we can measure the size of <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math> using the dimension. Thus, <math>\dim(W/\operatorname{im}(f)) = \dim(W) - \dim(\operatorname{im}(f))</math> is a number we can use to quantify how non-surjective <math>f</math> is. However, unlike <math>W/\operatorname{im}(f)</math>, this number does not allow us to reconstruct the exact vectors that are not hit by <math>f</math>. == Exercises == <section begin=zuordnung_abbildung_bild /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=Associating image spaces to figures |aufgabe=We consider the following four subspaces from the vector space <math>\R^2</math>, given as images of the linear maps {{#invoke:list|ordered |<math>f\colon\R^2\to\R^2,\ (x,y)^T\mapsto (2(x+y), x-3y)^T</math> |<math>g\colon\R^2\to\R^2,\ (x,y)^T\mapsto (x,2x)^T</math> |<math>h\colon\R^2\to\R^2,\ (x,y)^T\mapsto (-3(x-y), (x-y))^T</math> |<math>k\colon\R^2\to\R^2,\ (x,y)^T\mapsto (x,0)^T</math> }} Match these four subspaces to the subspaces <math>U_1,U_2,U_3,U_4</math> shown in the figures below. <gallery widths="300" heights="300"> File:Line-in-two-dimensional-space-through-(1,2).svg|<math>U_1</math>: The subspace spanned by <math>(1,2)^T</math> in <math>\R^2</math> File:Line in two-dimensional space through (3,-1).svg|<math>U_2</math>: The line spanned by <math>(3,-1)^T</math> File:Plane in two-dimensional space named U 3.svg|<math>U_3</math>: A plane covering all the two-dimensional space File:Line in two-dimensional space through (1,0).svg|<math>U_4</math>: A line spanned by <math>(1,0)^T</math> </gallery> |lösung= First we look for the image of <math>f</math>: To find <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math>, we can apply a theorem from above: If <math>E</math> is a generator of <math>\R^2</math>, then <math>\operatorname{im}(f)=\operatorname{span}(f(E))</math> holds. We take the standard basis <math>\{(1,0)^T,(0,1)^T\}</math> as the generator of <math>\R^2</math>. Then {{Math|<math>\operatorname{im}(f)=\operatorname{span}\left(f\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\end{pmatrix},f\begin{pmatrix}0\\1\end{pmatrix}\right).</math>}} Now we apply <math>f</math> to the standard basis {{Math|<math>\begin{align} f\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\end{pmatrix}&=\begin{pmatrix} 2\\1\end{pmatrix} \\ f\begin{pmatrix}0\\1\end{pmatrix}&=\begin{pmatrix} 2\\-3\end{pmatrix} \end{align}</math>}} The vectors <math>(2,1)^T,(2,-3)^T</math> generate the image of <math>f</math>. Moreover, they are linearly independent and thus a basis of <math>\R^2</math>. Therefore <math>\operatorname{im}(f)=\R^2</math>. So <math>\operatorname{im}(f)=U_3</math>. Next, we want to find the image of <math>g</math>. However, it is also possible to compute the image <math>\operatorname{im}(g)</math> directly by definition, which we will demonstrate here. {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \operatorname{im}(g)&=\left\{g\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix} \mid \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2\right\} \\ &=\left\{\begin{pmatrix}x\\2x\end{pmatrix} \mid \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2\right\}\\ &=\left\{x\begin{pmatrix}1\\2\end{pmatrix} \mid \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2\right\}\\ & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{The left side does not depend on }y \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\left\{x\begin{pmatrix}1\\2\end{pmatrix} \mid x\in\R\right\}\\ &=\operatorname{span}\left(\begin{pmatrix}1\\2\end{pmatrix}\right) \end{align}</math>}} So the image of <math>g</math> is spanned by the vector <math>(1,2)^T</math>. Thus <math>\operatorname{im}(g)=U_1</math>. Now we determine the image of <math>h</math> using, for example, the same method as for <math>f</math>. That means we apply <math>h</math> to the standard basis: {{Math|<math>\begin{align} h\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix} -3\\1\end{pmatrix} \\ h\begin{pmatrix}0\\1\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix} 3\\-1\end{pmatrix} \end{align}</math>}} Both vectors are linearly dependent. So it follows that <math>\operatorname{im}(h)=\operatorname{span}((-3,1)^T)</math> and thus <math>\operatorname{im}(h)=U_2</math>. Finally, we determine the image of <math>k</math>. For this we proceed for example as with <math>g</math>. {{Math|<math>\begin{align} \operatorname{im}(k)&=\left\{k\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix} \mid \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2\right\} \\ &=\left\{\begin{pmatrix}x\\0\end{pmatrix} \mid \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2\right\}\\ &=\left\{x\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\end{pmatrix} \mid \begin{pmatrix}x\\y\end{pmatrix}\in\R^2\right\}\\ & {\color{OliveGreen}\left\downarrow\ \text{The left side does not depend on }y \right.} \\[0.3em] &=\left\{x\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\end{pmatrix} \mid x\in\R\right\}\\ &=\operatorname{span}\left(\begin{pmatrix}1\\0\end{pmatrix}\right) \end{align}</math>}} So the image of <math>k</math> is spanned by the vector <math>(1,0)^T</math>. Thus <math>\operatorname{im}(k)</math> is the <math>x</math>-axis, so <math>\operatorname{im}(k)=U_4</math>. }}<section end=zuordnung_abbildung_bild /> <section begin=surjektivität_dimension/> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Aufgabe |titel=Surjectivity and dimension of <math>V</math> and <math>W</math> |aufgabe= Let <math>V</math> and <math>W</math> be two finite-dimensional vector spaces. Show that there exists a surjective linear map <math>f\colon V\to W</math> if and only if <math>\dim(V)\geq\dim(W)</math>. |lösungsweg= We want to estimate the dimensions of <math>V</math> and <math>W</math> against each other. The dimension is defined as the cardinality of a basis. That is, if <math>b_1, \dots, b_n</math> is a basis of <math>V</math> and <math>c_1, \dots, c_m</math> is a basis of <math>W</math>, we must show that <math>n \ge m</math> holds if and only if there exists a surjective linear map. "if and only if" means that we need to establish two directions (<math>\Rightarrow, \Leftarrow </math>). Given a surjective linear map <math>f\colon V \to W</math>, we must show that the dimension of <math>V</math> is at least <math>m</math>. Now bases are maximal linearly independent subsets. That is, to estimate the dimension from below, we need to construct a linearly independent subset with <math>m</math> elements. In the figure, we have already a linearly independent subset with <math>m</math> elements, which is the basis <math>c_1, \dots, c_m</math>. Because <math>f</math> is surjective, we can lift these to vectors <math>\hat c_1, \dots, \hat c_m \in V</math> with <math>f(\hat c_i) = c_i</math>. Now we need to verify that <math>\hat c_1, \dots, \hat c_m</math> are linearly independent in <math>V</math>. We see this, by converting a linear combination <math>\lambda_1\hat c_1+\dots \lambda_m\hat c_m = 0</math> via <math>f</math> into a linear combination <math>0 = f(\lambda_1\hat c_1+\dots \lambda_m\hat c_m) = \lambda_1 c_1+\dots \lambda_m c_m</math> and exploiting the linear independence of <math>c_1, \dots, c_m</math>. Conversely, if <math>n \ge m</math> holds, we must construct a surjective linear map <math>f\colon V \to W</math>. Following the [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear continuation|principle of linear continuation]], we can construct the linear map <math>f</math> by specifying how <math>f</math> acts on a basis of <math>V</math>. For this we need elements of <math>W</math> on which we can send <math>b_1,\dots, b_n</math>. We have already chosen a basis of <math>W</math> above. Therefore, it is convenient to define <math>f</math> as follows: {{Math|<math>f(b_i) = \begin{cases} c_i & i \le m\\ 0 & i > m \end{cases}</math>}} Then the image of <math>f</math> is spanned by the vectors <math>f(b_1) = c_1, \dots, f(b_m) = c_m, f(b_{m+1}) = 0, \dots, f(b_m) = 0</math>. However, these vectors also span all of <math>W</math> and thus <math>f</math> is surjective. |lösung= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel="<math>\Rightarrow</math>" |beweisschritt=Suppose there is a suitable surjective mapping <math>f</math>. We show that the dimension of <math>\operatorname{im}(f)=f(V)</math> cannot be larger than the dimension of <math>V</math> (this is true for any linear map). Because of the surjectivity of <math>f</math>, it follows that <math>\dim(V)\geq\dim(\operatorname{im}(f))=\dim(W)</math>. So let <math>w_1,\ldots,w_n\in\operatorname{im}(f)</math> be linearly independent. There exists <math>v_1,\ldots,v_n\in V</math> with <math>f(v_i)=w_i</math> for <math>i\in\{1,\ldots,n\}</math>. We show that <math>v_1,\ldots,v_n</math> are also linearly independent: Let <math>\lambda_1,\ldots,\lambda_n\in K</math> with <math>\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_iv_i=0</math>. Then we also have that {{Math|<math>0=f(\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_iv_i)=\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_if(v_i)=\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_iw_i,</math>}} By linear independence of <math>w_1,\ldots,w_n</math>, it follows that <math>\lambda_1=\ldots=\lambda_n=0</math>. So <math>v_1,\ldots,v_n</math> are also linearly independent. Overall, we have shown that {{Math|<math>w_1,\ldots,w_n\in\operatorname{im}(f)\text{ linearly independent }\implies v_1,\ldots,v_n\text{ linearly independent for any choice of preimages }v_i\in f^{-1}(w_i).</math>}} In particular, it holds that a basis of <math>V</math> (a maximal linearly independent subset of <math>V</math>) must contain at least as many elements as a basis of <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math>, that is, <math>\dim(V)\geq\dim(\operatorname{im}(f))</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel="<math>\Leftarrow</math>" |beweisschritt=Assume that <math>\dim(V)\geq\dim(W)</math>. We use that a linear map is already uniquely determined by the images of the basis vectors. Let <math>\{v_1,\ldots,v_m\}</math> be a basis of <math>V</math> and <math>\{w_1,\ldots,w_n\}</math> be a basis of <math>W</math>. Define the surjective linear map <math>f\colon V\to W</math> by {{Math|<math>f(v_i)=\begin{cases}w_i &\text{ if }i\leq n\\ 0&\text{ else.}\end{cases}</math>}} This works, since by assumption, <math>m\geq n</math> holds. The mapping constructed in this way is surjective, since by construction, <math>\{w_1,\ldots,w_n\}\subseteq\operatorname{im}(f)</math>. As the image of <math>f</math> is a subspace of <math>W</math>, the subspace generated by these vectors, i.e., <math>W</math>, also lies in the image of <math>f</math>. Accordingly, <math>W\subseteq\operatorname{im}(f)\subseteq W</math> holds and <math>f</math> is surjective. }} }}<section end=surjektivität_dimension /> <section begin=bild_einer_matrix /> {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Gruppenaufgabe |titel=Image of a matrix |aufgabe= |teilaufgabe1=Consider the matrix <math>(1,2)\in\R^{1\times 2}</math> and the mapping <math>f\colon \R^2\to \R, x\mapsto (1,2)x</math> induced by it. What is the image <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math>? |teilaufgabe2=Now let <math>A=(a_1,\ldots,a_m)\in K^{n\times m}</math> be any matrix over a field <math>K</math>, where <math>a_1, \ldots , a_m\in K^n</math> denote the columns of <math> A </math>. Consider the mapping <math>f_A\colon K^m\to K^n, x\mapsto Ax</math> induced by <math> A </math>. Show that <math>\operatorname{im}(f_A)=\operatorname{span}\{a_1,\ldots,a_m\}</math> holds. So the image of a matrix is the span of its columns. |teilaufgabe1-lösung=We know that the image <math>\operatorname{im}(f)</math> of the linear map <math>f</math> is a subspace of <math>\R</math>. Since the <math>\R</math>-vector space <math>\R</math> has dimension <math>1</math>, a subspace can only have dimension <math>0</math> or <math>1</math>. In the first case the subspace is the null vector space, in the second case it is already all of <math>\R</math>. So <math>\R</math> has only the two subspaces <math>\{0\}</math> and <math>\R</math>. Since <math>(1,2)(1,0)^T = 1 \neq 0</math> holds, we have that <math>\operatorname{im}(f)\neq\{0\}</math>. Thus, <math>\operatorname{im}(f) = \R </math>. |teilaufgabe2-lösung= {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel="<math>\subseteq</math>" |beweisschritt= Let <math>y\in\operatorname{im}(f_A)</math>. Then, there is some <math>x=(x_1,\ldots,x_m)^T\in K^m</math> with <math>Ax=y</math>. We can write <math>x</math> as <math>x=\sum_{i=1}^mx_ie_i</math>. Plugging this into the equation <math>Ax=y</math>, we get {{Math|<math>\begin{align} y&=Ax\\ & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ x=\sum_{i=1}^m x_ie_i \right.}\\[0.3em] &=A\left(\sum_{i=1}^mx_ie_i\right)\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ \text{application of } A \text{ is linear} \right.}\\[0.3em] &=\sum_{i=1}^mx_i Ae_i\\[0.3em] & {\color{OliveGreen} \left\downarrow\ Ae_i=a_i \text{, the } i \text{-th column of } A \right.}\\[0.3em] &=\sum_{i=1}^mx_ia_i. \end{align}</math>}} Since <math>\sum_{i=1}^mx_ia_i \in \operatorname{span}\{a_1, \ldots, a_n\}</math>, we obtain <math>y\in \operatorname{span}\{a_1, \ldots, a_n\}</math>. }} {{:Math for Non-Geeks/Template:Beweisschritt |ziel="<math>\supseteq</math>" |beweisschritt= Let <math>y=\sum_{i=1}^my_i\cdot a_i\in\operatorname{span}(f_A)</math> with <math>y_i \in K </math> for <math> i = 1, \ldots , m </math>. We want to find <math>x\in K^m</math> with <math>Ax=y</math>. So let us define <math>x:=\sum_{i=1}^my_ie_i</math>. The same calculation as in the first step of the proof then shows {{Math|<math>Ax= A\left(\sum_{i=1}^my_ie_i\right)=\sum_{i=1}^my_i Ae_i=\sum_{i=1}^my_ia_i=y.</math>}} }} }}<section end=bild_einer_matrix /> {{#invoke:Math for Non-Geeks/Seite|unten}} {{shelves}} 7e8z1ylhng6tt0e1l6b3r44so5nb43c 0 475070 4639380 4638557 2026-06-08T17:52:43Z Ewen 19329 4639380 wikitext text/x-wiki == Calculating the pH of a strong alkali == For a strong alkali we have the concentration of hydroxide ions, [OH^–], but to find the pH we need the concentration of hydrogen ions, [H⁺]. The two concentrations are related by the equation :''K''_w = [H⁺][OH^–] :''K''_w = 1 x 10^-14 mol² dm^-6 at 25 °C, a value in your Data Booklet. To find [H⁺] from [OH^–] we can use: :[H⁺] = ''K''_w/[OH^–] We can also define pOH along the lines of pH: :pOH = -log₁₀[OH^–] :pH = p''K''_w - pOH == Calculating the pH of a weak acid solution == The pH of a weak acid solution can be calculated approximately using the following formulae: pH = -log₁₀ √(''K''_a x [HA]_o) = 0.5 x (p''K''_a - log₁₀[HA]_o) [HA]_o is the original concentration of acid, which we assume is the same as the concentration of acid after it has partly dissociated. Example; If p''K''_a = 4.7 and ''c'' = 0.010 mol dm^-3 then '''either''': :''K''_a = 10^-p''K''a = 10^-4.7 = 2.00 x 10^-5 mol dm^-3 √(''K''_a x [HA]_o) = √(2.00 x 10^-5 x 0.010) : = √(2.00 x 10^-7) : = 4.47 x 10^-4 pH = -log₁₀ (4.47 x 10^-4) = 3.35 '''or''': :- log₁₀[HA]_o = - log₁₀(0.010) = 2.00 :pH = 0.5 x (p''K''_a - log₁₀[HA]_o) := 0.5 x (4.7 + 2) = 0.5 x 6.7 = 3.35 == Calculating the pH of a buffer solution == The pH of a buffer solution can be calculated approximately using the following formula: pH = p''K''_a + log₁₀([A^–]/[HA]) The ratio [A^–]/[HA] is equal to the number of moles of each species: [A^–]/[HA] = ''n''(A^–)/''n''(HA). This is because the two solutes are in the same volume of solution. This means that buffers are not affected by dilution. In general, we can assume that if we mix a weak acid and its salt, [HA] is the acid concentration and [A^–] is the salt concentration. Both assumptions are slightly incorrect, but the errors tend to cancel each other out. If we part-neutralise a weak acid with a strong base, [A^–] is the concentration of neutralised acid and [HA] is concentration of the excess acid. If you half-neutralise a weak acid then [A^–] = [HA]. This makes log₁₀([A^–]/[HA]) = 0 and so pH = p''K''_a. [[File:Buffer titration graph.svg|thumb|upright=2|centre|Simulated titration of an acidified solution of a weak acid (p''K''_a = 4.7, ''c'' = 0.010 mol dm^-3) with alkali. The end point is when 1.0 ml of alkali are added. When half-neutralised with 0.50 ml of alkali, the pH = p''K''_a = 4.7 (green lines). The pure acid has a pH of 3.35.]] == Indicators == Indicators are weak acids or bases which have strong colours and/or the conjugate acid/base has a different, strong, colour. Examples: * Methyl red is red in acidic solution (the HA molecule) but above pH 5.1 it forms the yellow A^– ion. * Methyl orange is red in acidic solution (the HA molecule) but above pH 3.5 it forms the yellow A^– ion. * Phenolphthalein is colourless in acidic/neutral solution (the H₂A molecule) but above pH 9.5 it forms the pink A^2– ion. In an exam, you will be given details about any indicators so there is no need to learn the details. The p''K''_a value of the indicator is sometimes referred to as p''K''_in. You need to choose an indicator that rapidly changes colour at the endpoint of a titration i.e. the p''K''_in is at the steepest part of the pH/titre curve. [[Image:PH-Titrationskurve.svg|thumb|upright=1|centre|The most rapid pH change in the graph above is around pH 7, so we need to choose an indicator with a similar p''K''_in value.]] {{BookCat}} gzxrm1ia14z7p4hspfn6mzoo28yo97g 4639384 4639380 2026-06-08T17:57:40Z Ewen 19329 /* Calculating the pH of a strong alkali */ 4639384 wikitext text/x-wiki == Calculating the pH of a strong alkali == For a strong alkali we have the concentration of hydroxide ions, [OH^–], but to find the pH we need the concentration of hydrogen ions, [H⁺]. The two concentrations are related by the equation :''K''_w = [H⁺][OH^–] :''K''_w = 1 x 10^-14 mol² dm^-6 at 25 °C, a value in your Data Booklet. To find [H⁺] from [OH^–] we can use: :[H⁺] = ''K''_w/[OH^–] We can also define pOH along the lines of pH: :pOH = -log₁₀[OH^–] :pH = p''K''_w - pOH Example: To find the pH of 0.2 mol dm^-3 NaOH solution: :[OH^–] = 0.2 mol dm^-3 :[H⁺] = ''K''_w/[OH^–] :[H⁺] = 1 x 10^-14/0.2 = 5 x 10^-14 mol dm^-3 :pH = -log₁₀[H⁺] = -log₁₀(5 x 10^-14) = 13.30 Alternatively: :pOH = -log₁₀[OH^–] = -log₁₀(0.2) = 0.70 :pH = p''K''_w - pOH = 14 - 0.70 = 13.30 == Calculating the pH of a weak acid solution == The pH of a weak acid solution can be calculated approximately using the following formulae: pH = -log₁₀ √(''K''_a x [HA]_o) = 0.5 x (p''K''_a - log₁₀[HA]_o) [HA]_o is the original concentration of acid, which we assume is the same as the concentration of acid after it has partly dissociated. Example; If p''K''_a = 4.7 and ''c'' = 0.010 mol dm^-3 then '''either''': :''K''_a = 10^-p''K''a = 10^-4.7 = 2.00 x 10^-5 mol dm^-3 √(''K''_a x [HA]_o) = √(2.00 x 10^-5 x 0.010) : = √(2.00 x 10^-7) : = 4.47 x 10^-4 pH = -log₁₀ (4.47 x 10^-4) = 3.35 '''or''': :- log₁₀[HA]_o = - log₁₀(0.010) = 2.00 :pH = 0.5 x (p''K''_a - log₁₀[HA]_o) := 0.5 x (4.7 + 2) = 0.5 x 6.7 = 3.35 == Calculating the pH of a buffer solution == The pH of a buffer solution can be calculated approximately using the following formula: pH = p''K''_a + log₁₀([A^–]/[HA]) The ratio [A^–]/[HA] is equal to the number of moles of each species: [A^–]/[HA] = ''n''(A^–)/''n''(HA). This is because the two solutes are in the same volume of solution. This means that buffers are not affected by dilution. In general, we can assume that if we mix a weak acid and its salt, [HA] is the acid concentration and [A^–] is the salt concentration. Both assumptions are slightly incorrect, but the errors tend to cancel each other out. If we part-neutralise a weak acid with a strong base, [A^–] is the concentration of neutralised acid and [HA] is concentration of the excess acid. If you half-neutralise a weak acid then [A^–] = [HA]. This makes log₁₀([A^–]/[HA]) = 0 and so pH = p''K''_a. [[File:Buffer titration graph.svg|thumb|upright=2|centre|Simulated titration of an acidified solution of a weak acid (p''K''_a = 4.7, ''c'' = 0.010 mol dm^-3) with alkali. The end point is when 1.0 ml of alkali are added. When half-neutralised with 0.50 ml of alkali, the pH = p''K''_a = 4.7 (green lines). The pure acid has a pH of 3.35.]] == Indicators == Indicators are weak acids or bases which have strong colours and/or the conjugate acid/base has a different, strong, colour. Examples: * Methyl red is red in acidic solution (the HA molecule) but above pH 5.1 it forms the yellow A^– ion. * Methyl orange is red in acidic solution (the HA molecule) but above pH 3.5 it forms the yellow A^– ion. * Phenolphthalein is colourless in acidic/neutral solution (the H₂A molecule) but above pH 9.5 it forms the pink A^2– ion. In an exam, you will be given details about any indicators so there is no need to learn the details. The p''K''_a value of the indicator is sometimes referred to as p''K''_in. You need to choose an indicator that rapidly changes colour at the endpoint of a titration i.e. the p''K''_in is at the steepest part of the pH/titre curve. [[Image:PH-Titrationskurve.svg|thumb|upright=1|centre|The most rapid pH change in the graph above is around pH 7, so we need to choose an indicator with a similar p''K''_in value.]] {{BookCat}} g02lm3pv9fg2j6fg0awpi9x42ukxhun 0 479225 4639336 4639321 2026-06-08T16:07:22Z ~2026-33782-00 3603393 /* Section C Mark distribution comparison */ 4639336 wikitext text/x-wiki {{or}} '''Ant Simulation''' This is for the 2026 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams! ==Section C Mark distribution comparison== Mark distribution for this year: The 2026 paper 1 will contain '''five''' questions worth '''3, 5, 2, 2 and 1 mark(s) (12 total)'''. The 2025 paper contained 4 questions worth 2 marks each (8 total). The 2024 paper contained 3 questions worth 11 marks in total (3+2+6=11). The 2023 paper contained 6 questions worth 13 marks The 2022 paper contained 5 questions worth 17 marks. The 2021 paper contained 4 questions worth 13 marks. == Section C Predictions == '''Predictions:''' # Basically, Logically, technically, finally, # a) What is Encapsulation? b) What is a specific purpose of encapsulation being used in this program? # What is Inheritance? And give an example of polymorphism in the code? Note: at least for the Python skeleton code, there is no exception handling. In past papers which have had exception handling in the code, there were 1 to 2 mark questions asked about it in this section. Should exception handling come up, it would have to be in section D. ==Section D Mark distribution comparison== Mark distribution for this year: * The 2026 paper 1 contains 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D Predictions == Current questions are speculation by contributors to this page == Simulation 1 == === '''When inspecting a cell, ensure that the cell reference they have entered is within the bounds of the simulation, asking them to input a cell again again if not'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 60: case "3": int Row = 0, Column = 0; <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE: loop until valid cell is entered do { GetCellReference(ref Row, ref Column); if (Row < 1 || Row > ThisSimulation.NumberOfRows || Column < 1 || Column > ThisSimulation.NumberOfColumns) { Console.WriteLine($"Invalid cell! Please enter a row between 1-{ThisSimulation.NumberOfRows} and a column between 1-{ThisSimulation.NumberOfColumns}."); } else { break; } } while (true); //END OF CHANGE //End of Change //Note Before: This requires some amending as non integer values such as strings can still cause errors :P (Non-Coombe Wood School Student) //Ok, it's been a week and it still hasn't been changed, it really needs to be fixed cause it still causes errors for non integer values :/ (Non-Coombe Wood School Student) Around line 130: //START OF CHANGE public int NumberOfRows, NumberOfColumns; protected int StartingFoodInNest, StartingNumberOfFoodCells, StartingNumberOfNests; //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //add Simulation parameter, which must be included as an argument whenever getCellReference is called static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column, Simulation thisSim) { System.out.println(); do { System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } while (row.value > thisSim.numberOfRows || row.value < 1); do { System.out.print("Enter column number: "); column.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } while (column.value > thisSim.numberOfColumns || column.value < 1); System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Salty Springs - credit to salty springs, hop off pls dont do trickss on itt :/ <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #part of the simulation class def CheckCellExists(self, Row, Column): if Row <= self._NumberOfRows and Row >= 1 and Column <= self._NumberOfColumns and Column >= 1: return True return False #in Main() elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 Row, Column = GetCellReference() #get specific cell *howls* while not ThisSimulation.CheckCellExists(Row,Column): print("Invalid cell") Row, Column = GetCellReference() #get specific cell </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered and ask the user to retry ''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon //START OF CHANGE "Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered" Console.WriteLine(); while (true) { Console.Write("Enter row number: "); string rowInput = Console.ReadLine(); if (string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(rowInput) || !int.TryParse(rowInput, out Row) || Row <= 0) { Console.WriteLine("Invalid row input. Please enter a valid positive number."); continue; } Console.Write("Enter column number: "); string colInput = Console.ReadLine(); if (string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(colInput) || !int.TryParse(colInput, out Column) || Column <= 0) { Console.WriteLine("Invalid column input. Please enter a valid positive number."); continue; } // If both inputs are valid break; } Console.WriteLine(); } //END OF CHANGE "Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered" </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA"> static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column, int maxRow, int maxColumn) { System.out.println(); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); while (row.value < 0 || row.value > maxRow) { System.out.println(); System.out.println("That was invalid you little punk. Try Again."); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } System.out.print("Enter column number: "); column.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); while (column.value < 0 || column.value > maxColumn) { System.out.println(); System.out.println("That was invalid you little punk. Try Again."); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School DM <syntaxhighlight lang="Java"> //line 101 static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column) { System.out.println(); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); String inputRow = scanner.nextLine(); while(inputRow == "" || inputRow == " ") { System.out.print("Invalid input, please try again\n"); inputRow = scanner.nextLine(); } row.value = Integer.parseInt(inputRow); System.out.print("Enter column number: "); String inputCol = scanner.nextLine(); while(inputCol == "" || inputCol == " ") { System.out.print("Invalid input. please try again\n"); inputCol = scanner.nextLine(); } column.value = Integer.parseInt(inputCol); System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - VC - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # replace GetCellReference() with this, around line 65, it adds a check to see if the selected spot is valid def GetCellReference(): print() while True: row_input = input("Enter row number: ").strip() if not row_input or not row_input.isdigit() or int(row_input) <= 0: print("Invalid row input. Please enter a valid positive number.") continue col_input = input("Enter column number: ").strip() if not col_input or not col_input.isdigit() or int(col_input) <= 0: print("Invalid column input. Please enter a valid positive number.") continue # If both inputs are valid Row = int(row_input) Column = int(col_input) break print() return Row, Column </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Fix the error that occurs when trying to inspect a cell not in the range of the grid''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> public string GetCellDetails(int Row, int Column) { //START OF CHANGE if (Row < 1 || Row > NumberOfRows || Column < 1 || Column > NumberOfColumns) { return $"Cell ({Row}, {Column}) is out of range."; } // END OF CHANGE Add this to the start of the GetCellDetails </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # replace GetCellDetails with this in the simulation class (around line 220), it adds a try/except for if the index is out of range def GetCellDetails(self, Row, Column): try: CurrentCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] Details = CurrentCell.GetDetails() N = self.GetNestInCell(CurrentCell) if N is not None: Details += f"Nest present ({N.GetFoodLevel()} food)" + "\n\n" if self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "ANTS\n" for A in self._Ants: if A.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += A.GetDetails() + "\n" Details += "\n\n" if self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "PHEROMONES\n" for P in self._Pheromones: if P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += f"Ant {P.GetBelongsTo()} with strength of {P.GetStrength()}" + "\n\n" Details += "\n\n" return Details except: print("Cell was out of range\n") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} City of Norwich School This fixes the issue where an IndexError is thrown when inspecting a cell outside of the bounds of the map. One unique case this fix catches is inspecting a cell at position '''(0,0)'''. Row and column indexing starts at 1, so there should be no cell at (0, 0) and an IndexError should be thrown when trying to obtain it. However, this does not happen and cell details are still returned. When inspecting a cell, the cell's position is converted to a grid list index using the '''__GetIndex(self, Row, Column)''' method. Cell instances are stored in a 1D list (_Grid), so a cell's position has to be converted to its index within the grid list. Grid list indices are calculated using the formula: <math>(Row - 1) * NumberOfColumns + Column - 1 = GridListIndex</math> When the row is '''0''' and the column is '''0''', this equation evaluates to a '''negative''' value regardless of which simulation is used. For example, this evaluates to '''-6''' when using simulation 1 as it has a map with 5 rows and 5 columns. Negative indices are still valid in Python, but unlike positive indices, they go from right to left and indexing starts at -1. As a result, a cell instance is still obtained and an IndexError is not thrown. The following fix catches all erroneous cases except for empty strings, non-numeric characters and decimals. The fix begins at line 38 in the program in the Main() subroutine.<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> while Choice != "9": DisplayMenu() Choice = GetChoice() if Choice == "1": print(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()) elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 # Change start valid_cell = False while not valid_cell: Row, Column = GetCellReference() if (Row > 0 and Column > 0 and Row <= SimulationParameters[1] and Column <= SimulationParameters[2]): valid_cell = True else: print("Invalid cell position!") # Change end print(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)) elif Choice == "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1) print("Simulation moved on one stage\n") elif Choice == "5": NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Simulation 2 == === Fix the error of the cell still increasing pheromones after it is empty === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AL- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="c#" line="1"> public void AdvanceStage(int NumberOfStages) { for (int Count = 1; Count <= NumberOfStages; Count++) { List<Pheromone> PheromonesToDelete = new List<Pheromone>(); foreach (Pheromone P in Pheromones) { P.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); if (P.GetStrength() == 0) { PheromonesToDelete.Add(P); } } foreach (Pheromone P in PheromonesToDelete) { Pheromones.Remove(P); } foreach (Ant A in Ant) { A.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); Cell CurrentCell = Grid[GetIndex(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())]; if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0 && A.IsAtOwnNest()) { AddFoodToNest(A.GetFoodCarried(), A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()); A.UpdateFoodCarried(-A.GetFoodCarried()); } else if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0 && A.GetFoodCarried() == 0) { int FoodObtained; do { FoodObtained = RGen.Next(1, A.GetFoodCapacity() + 1); } while (FoodObtained > CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() || (A.GetFoodCarried() + FoodObtained) > A.GetFoodCapacity()); CurrentCell.UpdateFoodInCell(-FoodObtained); A.UpdateFoodCarried(FoodObtained); //start of change //removes pheromones from empty cells if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() == 0) { Pheromones.RemoveAll(P => P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell)); } //end of change } else { if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0) { UpdateAntsPheromoneInCell(A); } A.ChooseCellToMoveTo(GetIndicesOfNeighbours(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()), GetIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())); } } foreach (Nest N in Nests) { N.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); } } </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === When selecting the option 'Display area details', selecting an area by using a point further from the top-left than the second point results in nothing being displayed. Fix this error such that, when this is input, it displays the same result if the points were input in the other order === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DA- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="c#" line="1"> public string GetAreaDetails(int StartRow, int StartColumn, int EndRow, int EndColumn) { //start of changes if (StartRow > EndRow) { int temp = StartRow; StartRow = EndRow; EndRow = temp; } if (StartColumn > EndColumn) { int temp = StartColumn; StartColumn = EndColumn; EndColumn = temp; } //end of changes string Details = ""; for (int Row = StartRow; Row <= EndRow; Row++) { for (int Column = StartColumn; Column <= EndColumn; Column++) { Details += $"{Row}, {Column}: "; Cell TempCell = Grid[GetIndex(Row, Column)]; if (GetNestInCell(TempCell) != null) { Details += "| Nest | "; } int NumberOfAnts = GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell); if (NumberOfAnts > 0) { Details += $"| Ants: {NumberOfAnts} | "; } int NumberOfPheromones = GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell); if (NumberOfPheromones > 0) { Details += $"| Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} | "; } int AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood(); if (AmountOfFood > 0) { Details += $"| {AmountOfFood} food | "; } Details += Environment.NewLine; } } return Details; } </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} LMW- Caistor Grammar School - Caistor <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() StartRow,EndRow=min(StartRow,EndRow),max(StartRow,EndRow) StartColumn,EndColumn=min(StartColumn,EndColumn),max(StartColumn,EndColumn) print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Fix the error where the game ends without a message when there are no more ants remaining === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} KO- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon public void AdvanceStage(int NumberOfStages) { for (int Count = 1; Count <= NumberOfStages; Count++) { List<Pheromone> PheromonesToDelete = new List<Pheromone>(); foreach (Pheromone P in Pheromones) { P.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); if (P.GetStrength() == 0) { PheromonesToDelete.Add(P); } } foreach (Pheromone P in PheromonesToDelete) { Pheromones.Remove(P); } foreach (Ant A in Ants) { A.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); Cell CurrentCell = Grid[GetIndex(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())]; if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0 && A.IsAtOwnNest()) { AddFoodToNest(A.GetFoodCarried(), A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()); A.UpdateFoodCarried(-A.GetFoodCarried()); } else if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0 && A.GetFoodCarried() == 0) { int FoodObtained; do { FoodObtained = RGen.Next(1, A.GetFoodCapacity() + 1); } while (FoodObtained > CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() || (A.GetFoodCarried() + FoodObtained) > A.GetFoodCapacity()); CurrentCell.UpdateFoodInCell(-FoodObtained); A.UpdateFoodCarried(FoodObtained); } else { if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0) { UpdateAntsPheromoneInCell(A); } A.ChooseCellToMoveTo(GetIndicesOfNeighbours(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()), GetIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())); } } foreach (Nest N in Nests) { N.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); } // start of change if (Ants.Count == 0) { Console.WriteLine("game over"); Console.ReadKey(); Environment.Exit(0); } // end of change } } {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County Sixth # At the end of the simulation.advancestage() method if len(self._Ants) == 0: print("Simulation is ending at",self._Stage," because no more Ants remain") self.Running = False break {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Limit skippable stages so the user can't skip straight to when the ants die (adds more playability) === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AS- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Simulation ThisSimulation = new Simulation(SimulationParameters); string Choice; Do Case 5 replace the code with this code: case "5": //start of change Console.Write("Enter number of stages to advance by (max 5): "); int NumberOfStages = Convert.ToInt32(Console.ReadLine()); if (NumberOfStages > 5) { Console.WriteLine("You can't advance more then 5 stages"); NumberOfStages = 5; } else if (NumberOfStages < 1) { Console.WriteLine("You have to atleast advance 1 stage."); NumberOfStages = 1; } ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}");//end of change break; {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13C - NC - Guildford County School<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> #import copy module import copy #start of change elif Choice == "5": backupsimulation=copy.deepcopy(ThisSimulation) print(backupsimulation.GetDetails()) NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) if ThisSimulation._Ants==[]: print('you have advanced too many stages (all ants dead)') ThisSimulation=backupsimulation print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") #end of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Simulation 3 == == Simulation 4 == === '''Prevent nests from culling ants from other nests''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} NG - Lancaster Royal Grammar School - Lancaster <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> ## START OF CHANGE ~line 421 def AdvanceStage(self, Nests, Ants, Pheromones): if Ants is None: return AntsToCull = 0 Count = 0 for A in Ants: if self.IsAntInNest(A): if A.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": Count += 10 else: Count += 2 self.ChangeFood(-int(Count)) NestAnts = [A for A in Ants if self.IsAntInNest(A)] if self._FoodLevel == 0 and len(NestAnts) > 0: AntsToCull += 1 if self._FoodLevel < len(NestAnts): AntsToCull += 1 if self._FoodLevel < len(NestAnts) * 5: AntsToCull += 1 if AntsToCull > len(NestAnts): AntsToCull = len(NestAnts) random.shuffle(Ants) Pos = 0 while AntsToCull > 0 and len(Ants) > Pos: if self.IsAntInNest(Ants[Pos]): if Ants[Pos].GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": self._NumberOfQueens -= 1 Ants.pop(Pos) AntsToCull -= 1 else: Pos += 1 else: for A in range(1, self._NumberOfQueens + 1): RNo1 = random.randint(0, 99) if RNo1 < 50: RNo2 = random.randint(0, 99) if RNo2 < 2: Ants.append(QueenAnt(self._Row, self._Column, self._Row, self._Column)) else: Ants.append(WorkerAnt(self._Row, self._Column, self._Row, self._Column)) return Nests, Ants, Pheromones def IsAntInNest(self, Ant): return (Ant.GetNestRow() == self._Row and Ant.GetNestColumn() == self._Column) ## END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == General Questions == === Have the program exit when the user decides to quit === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DO - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> Line 71 - After the get choice //start of change if (Choice == "9") { Environment.Exit(0); } Console.ReadLine(); //End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Line 45 - after the processing for the other inputs #start of change if Choice == "9": quit() #End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Fix the error in selecting the simulation when a value between 1 and 4 is <u>not</u> entered''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} RT - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> static void Main() { List<int> SimulationParameters = new List<int>(); Console.Write("Enter simulation number: "); string SimNo = Console.ReadLine(); switch (SimNo) { case "1": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50 }; break; case "2": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100 }; break; case "3": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25 }; break; case "4": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25 }; break; //start of change default: Console.WriteLine("Enter a number between 1-4"); Main(); break; } ; //End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} LT - Harington School<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1">public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception { ArrayList<Integer> simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(); while(simulationParameters.isEmpty()) { System.out.print("Enter simulation number: "); String simNo = scanner.nextLine(); switch (simNo) { case "1": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50)); break; case "2": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100)); break; case "3": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25)); break; case "4": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25)); break; default: System.out.println("\nInvalid Input!"); break; } System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13C - ZH - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> def Main(): SimulationParameters = [] SimNo = input("Enter simulation number (1-4): ") while SimNo not in ["1","2","3","4"]: SimNo = input("Enter simulation number (1-4): ") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an option to create a new nest. This should be allowed to be done only once per simulation. You do <u>not</u> need to check whether there is a nest already at that location''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School - LC <syntaxhighlight lang="Java" line="1" start="1"> //Start around line 70 after case 5 //Create new local boolean variable nestCreated //Start of change case "6": if (nestCreated == true) { System.out.println("New nest already created, you can only create 1"); } else { IntWrapper nestRow = new IntWrapper(0), nestColumn = new IntWrapper(0); getCellReference(nestRow, nestColumn); thisSimulation.setUpANestAt(nestRow.value, nestColumn.value); nestCreated = true; } break; //End of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="Java" line="1" start="1"> //Start around line 70 after case 5 //Create new static boolean variable doneAddedNess set to false case "6": if(!doneAddedNess) { System.out.println("Adding a ness "); System.out.println("x: "); int x = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("y: "); int y = scanner.nextInt(); thisSimulation.setUpANestAt(x,y); doneAddedNess = true; } else { System.out.println("you have already added a nest this game silly."); } break; // in displayMenu System.out.println("6. Add a ness (once per game)"); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} JD - John Port Spencer Academy CHANGE ~ line 54 elif Choice == "6": if nestCreated != True: print("Add a nest") x = int(input("X coord: ")) y = int(input("Y coord: ")) ThisSimulation.SetUpANestAt(x, y) nestCreated = True else: print("Already added a nest") END CHANGE elif Choice == "9": quit() -------------------------- def DisplayMenu(): print() print("1. Display overall details") print("2. Display area details") print("3. Inspect cell") print("4. Advance one stage") print("5. Advance X stages") CHANGE FOR OPTION 6 ADDED print("6. Add a nest (1 per game)") ENDCHANGE {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an end to the simulation when there are 0 ants''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 60: <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //start of change // Add to end of Advance stage: if (Ants.Count == 0) { Console.WriteLine("All ants are dead. Game Over!"); Console.ReadKey(); Environment.Exit(0); } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> public void advanceStage(int numberOfStages) { boolean anyAntsLeft = false; for (int count = 1; count <= numberOfStages; count++) { anyAntsLeft = false; ArrayList<Pheromone> pheromonesToDelete = new ArrayList<Pheromone>(); for (Pheromone p : pheromones) { p.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); if (p.getStrength() == 0) { pheromonesToDelete.add(p); } } for (Pheromone p : pheromonesToDelete) { pheromones.remove(p); } for (Ant a : ants) { a.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); anyAntsLeft = true; Cell currentCell = grid.get(getIndex(a.getRow(), a.getColumn())); if ((a.getFoodCarried() > 0) && a.isAtOwnNest()) { addFoodToNest(a.getFoodCarried(), a.getRow(), a.getColumn()); a.updateFoodCarried(-a.getFoodCarried()); } else if ((currentCell.getAmountOfFood() > 0) && (a.getFoodCarried() == 0) && (a.getFoodCapacity() > 0)) { int foodObtained; do { foodObtained = rGen.nextInt(a.getFoodCapacity()) + 1; } while (!(foodObtained <= currentCell.getAmountOfFood() && (a.getFoodCarried() + foodObtained) <= a.getFoodCapacity())); currentCell.updateFoodInCell(-foodObtained); a.updateFoodCarried(foodObtained); } else { if (a.getFoodCarried() > 0) { updateAntsPheromoneInCell(a); } a.chooseCellToMoveTo(getIndicesOfNeighbours(a.getRow(), a.getColumn()), getIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(a.getRow(), a.getColumn())); } } for (Nest n : nests) { n.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); } } if(!anyAntsLeft) { System.out.println("No ants detected ending sim"); System.exit(0); // i know this is a bad habit. But i dont know other ways of stopping it easily without changing code in diffrent areas... laziness wins. } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JS - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # Around line 20, just before DisplayMenu() and just after Choice = "" # start of change if len(ThisSimulation._Ants) == 0: print("No more ants, you lost!") quit() # End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} LMW - Caistor Grammar School - Caistor <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> def GetDetails(self): Details = "" for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): Details += f"{Row}, {Column}: " TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: Details += "| Nest | " NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: Details += f"| Ants: {NumberOfAnts} | " # Edit Begins Here elif NumberOfAnts == 0: print("No Ants Remaining - Simulation over") quit() # Edit Ends Here NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: Details += f"| Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} | " AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: Details += f"| {AmountOfFood} food | " Details += "\n" return Details </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''If the Queen is dead the simulation will end''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AL- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon public override void AdvanceStage(List<Nest> Nests, List<Ant> Ants, List<Pheromone> Pheromones) { if (Ants == null) { return; } int AntsToCull = 0; int Count = 0; foreach (Ant A in Ants) { if (A.GetNestRow() == Row && A.GetNestColumn() == Column) { if (A.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen") { Count += 10; } else { Count += 2; } } //start of change if (NumberOfQueens < 1) { Console.WriteLine("The Queen has died, the simulation cannot continue"); System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(2000); Environment.Exit(0); } // end of change } {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School public void advanceStage(int numberOfStages) { boolean queen = false; for (int count = 1; count <= numberOfStages; count++) { queen = false; for (Ant a : ants) { a.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); if(a.getTypeOfAnt() == "queen") { queen = true;} } } if(!queen) { System.out.println("No queen detected ending sim"); System.exit(0); // i know this is a bad habit. But i dont know other ways of stoping it easily without changing code in diffrent areas. } } // it looks like code is ending like and some if and for loops but I just removed the inside to shorten it but kepts some stuff so you can ruffly see where it should be. // this code lookes terible becuse i cant figgure out how to present it well in the edditer please feel free to make it look better. I tried my best. {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County Sixth # At the end of Simulaton.AdvanceStage() queen = False for i in self._Ants: if i.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": queen = True if not queen: print("Simulation is ending at",self._Stage," because no more queen ants remain") self.Running = False break {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an explanation of each simulation before the user is prompted to input the simulation number''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} KW - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon // START OF CHANGE - below the FIRST SimNo SWITCH switch (SimNo) { case "1": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 1, a 5x5 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 50"); break; case "2": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 2, a 5x5 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 100"); break; case "3": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 3, a 10x10 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 25"); break; case "4": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 4, a 10x10 grid with two nests and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 25"); break; } // END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE static void displaySims() { // yes i just copy and pasted the values from the Preliminary Material System.out.println("1. Simulation 1 is a 5×5 grid with one nest. Five ants belong to that nest (one queen and four\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation the nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is\r\n" + "50 per stage"); System.out.println("2. Simulation 2 is the same as simulation 1 except the pheromone decay rate is 100 per stage"); System.out.println("3. Simulation 3 is a 10×10 grid with one nest. Nine ants belong to that nest (one queen and eight\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation the nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is\r\n" + "25 per stage"); System.out.println("4. Simulation 4 is a 10×10 grid with two nests. Six ants belong to each nest (one queen and five\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation each nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is 25 per stage"); System.out.println("5. custom sim (added by king olie)"); } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Add this function anywhere in the program #start of change def printSimDetails(params): print() print("This Simulation has:") print(" - " + str(params[0]) + " nests") print(" - a " + str(params[1]) + "x" + str(params[2]) + " grid") print(" - " + str(params[3]) + " starting food in the nests") print(" - " + str(params[4]) + " cells with food to start with") print(" - " + str(params[5]) + " ants in each nest") print(" - " + str(params[6]) + " strength for new pheremones") print(" - " + str(params[7]) + " pheremone decay") print() #End of Change #put this just after the elifs to check simulation parameters (around line 20) #start of change printSimDetails(SimulationParameters) #end of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} ==='''Add a custom simulation. The user should be able to enter their own values for the simulation parameters'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": // new sim System.out.println("Please enter the values for the following: "); System.out.println("Starting number of nests: "); int startNumberOfNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Number of Rows"); int numberOfRows = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Number of columns: "); int numberOfColums = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting Food In Nest: "); int startingFoodInNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting number of food cells: "); int startingNumberOfFoodCells = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting ants in nest: "); int startingAntsInNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("New pheromone strength: "); int newPheromoneStrength = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("New pheromone Decay: "); int newPheromoneDecay = scanner.nextInt(); simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(startNumberOfNests, numberOfRows, numberOfColums, startingFoodInNests, startingNumberOfFoodCells, startingAntsInNests, newPheromoneStrength, newPheromoneDecay)); break; //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13A - RH - Aylesbury Grammar School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # Line 20 # CHANGE elif SimNo == "5": print("Please enter the following values") startNumberOfNests = input("Starting number of nests: ") numberOfRows = input("Number of rows: ") numberOfColumns = input("Number of columns: ") startingFoodInNests = input("Starting Food In Nest: ") startingNumberOfFoodCells = input("Starting number of food cells: ") startingAntsInNests = input("Starting ants in nest: ") newPheromoneStrength = input("New pheromone strength: ") newPheromoneDecay = input("New pheromone Decay: ") SimulationParameters = [ startNumberOfNests, numberOfRows, numberOfColumns, startingFoodInNests, startingNumberOfFoodCells, startingAntsInNests, newPheromoneStrength, newPheromoneDecay ] # END CHANGEsam </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add a simulation number 5 with its own parameters''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 36 <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": SimulationParameters = new List<int> {3, 15,15,500 , 3, 4, 1000, 25}; break; //END OF CHANGE //YOU CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE LIST TO MAKE YOUR OWN SIMULATION </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School Line ~82 <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(300, 105,105,5000 , 30, 40, 1000000, 2500)); break; //END OF CHANGE //YOU CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE LIST TO MAKE YOUR OWN SIMULATION </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JT - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Around line 19, after the elif for SimNo 4 #start of change elif SimNo == "5": SimulationParameters = [3, 20, 20, 1000, 6, 12, 2000, 50] #End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Make the grid be displayed as an actual grid '''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DA - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //You need to add all 3 parts for it to work add the red bits only, the black is just to see where //Around line 67 DisplayMenu(); Choice = GetChoice(); switch (Choice) { case "1": Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()); break; case "2": int StartRow = 0, StartColumn = 0, EndRow = 0, EndColumn = 0; GetCellReference(ref StartRow, ref StartColumn); GetCellReference(ref EndRow, ref EndColumn); Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)); break; case "3": int Row = 0, Column = 0; GetCellReference(ref Row, ref Column); Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)); break; case "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on one stage{Environment.NewLine}"); break; case "5": Console.Write("Enter number of stages to advance by: "); int NumberOfStages = Convert.ToInt32(Console.ReadLine()); ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}"); break; //start of change case "7"; ThisSimulation.DisplayGrid(); Break; //end of change //Around line 125 static void DisplayMenu() { Console.WriteLine(); Console.WriteLine("1. Display overall details"); Console.WriteLine("2. Display area details"); Console.WriteLine("3. Inspect cell"); Console.WriteLine("4. Advance one stage"); Console.WriteLine("5. Advance X stages"); //start of change Console.WriteLine("7. Display grid view"); //end of change Console.WriteLine("9. Quit"); Console.WriteLine(); Console.Write("> "); } //After the getdetails string ends, put this outside the brackets public void DisplayGrid() { for (int row = 1; row <= NumberOfRows; row++) { for (int col = 1; col <= NumberOfColumns; col++) { Cell currentCell = Grid[GetIndex(row, col)]; string cellDisplay = "["; bool hasContent = false; if (GetNestInCell(currentCell) != null) { cellDisplay += "N"; hasContent = true; } if (GetNumberOfAntsInCell(currentCell) > 0) { cellDisplay += "A"; hasContent = true; } if (currentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0) { cellDisplay += "F"; hasContent = true; } if (GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(currentCell) > 0) { cellDisplay += "P"; hasContent = true; } if (!hasContent) { cellDisplay += " "; } cellDisplay += "]"; Console.Write(cellDisplay + " "); } Console.WriteLine(); } } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King olie of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> public String getDetails() { // use format tools String addes = "| %-35s "; String layout = ""; String layerRowAdds = "-"; String layerRow = ""; String output = ""; String[] details = new String[numberOfColumns]; for (int i = 0; i < numberOfColumns; i++) { layout += addes; details[i] = ""; } for (int i = 0; i < (38 * numberOfColumns); i++) { layerRow += layerRowAdds; } layout += "|"; boolean didSomethink = false; for (int row = 1; row <= numberOfRows; row++) { for (int column = 1; column <= numberOfColumns; column++) { Cell tempCell = grid.get(getIndex(row, column)); if (getNestInCell(tempCell) != null) { details[column-1] += "Nest; "; didSomethink = true; } int numberOfAnts = getNumberOfAntsInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfAnts > 0) { details[column-1] += "Ants: " + numberOfAnts + "; "; didSomethink = true; } int numberOfPheromones = getNumberOfPheromonesInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfPheromones > 0) { details[column-1] += "Pheromones: " + numberOfPheromones + "; "; didSomethink = true; } int amountOfFood = tempCell.getAmountOfFood(); if (amountOfFood > 0) { details[column-1] += amountOfFood + " food; "; didSomethink = true; } if(!didSomethink) { details[column-1] = "BLANK"; } didSomethink = false; } output += layerRow + "\n"; output += String.format(layout, details) + "\n"; for (int i = 0; i < numberOfRows; i++) { details[i] = ""; } } output += layerRow + "\n"; return output; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python - only works for a 5 x 5..}}SB - John Port Spencer Academy def GetDetails(self): print("GetDetails from Simulation - code started") Details = "------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n" for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): row = "|" for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): count = 0 cell = "" TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: cell += "Nest" count += 1 NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" Ants: {NumberOfAnts}" else: cell += f"Ants: {NumberOfAnts}" count += 1 NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones}" else: cell += f"Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones}" count += 1 AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" {AmountOfFood} food" else: cell += f"{AmountOfFood} food" count += 1 if count == 0: cell += " " cell = cell.center(30) cell += "|" row += cell Details += row num = len(row) Details += f"\n{num*'-'}\n" return Details {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}}RC <syntaxhighlight lang="python" def GetDetailsGrid(self): Details = [] for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): RowGrid = [] for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): item = "" TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: item += "Nest " NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: item += f"Ants: {NumberOfAnts} " NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: item += f"Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} " AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: item += f"{AmountOfFood} food " RowGrid.append(item) Details.append(RowGrid) return Details def DisplayGrid(self): for i in self.GetDetailsGrid(): for j in i: print('|{:^32s}|'.format(j),end='') print("") print("") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="python3" line="1" start="1"> #method for the Simulation class def DisplayGrid(self): for row in range(0,self._NumberOfRows): Details = "" for column in range(self._NumberOfColumns): Details += "|" addSpace = True CurrentCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(row, column)] N = self.GetNestInCell(CurrentCell) if N is not None: Details += f"Nest: ({N.GetFoodLevel()} food)" addSpace = False if self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "Ants: " + str(self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell)) addSpace = False if self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "Pheromones:" for P in self._Pheromones: if P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += f"Ant {P.GetBelongsTo()}: strength = {P.GetStrength()}" addSpace = False if addSpace: Details += " " Details += "|" print(Details) print() </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} Harington School - use of String.format() to evenly space the cell widths <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> public String getDetails() { String cellFormat = "%-11s|"; String separator = "-"; for(int i=0; i<numberOfColumns; i++) { separator += "------------"; } String details = ""; for (int row = 1; row <= numberOfRows; row++) { details += separator+"\n"; details+="|"; for (int column = 1; column <= numberOfColumns; column++) { Cell tempCell = grid.get(getIndex(row, column)); String cellDetails = ""; if (getNestInCell(tempCell) != null) { cellDetails += "N "; } int numberOfAnts = getNumberOfAntsInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfAnts > 0) { cellDetails += "A" + numberOfAnts + " "; } int numberOfPheromones = getNumberOfPheromonesInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfPheromones > 0) { cellDetails += "P" + numberOfPheromones + " "; } int amountOfFood = tempCell.getAmountOfFood(); if (amountOfFood > 0) { cellDetails += "F" + amountOfFood + " "; } details += String.format(cellFormat, cellDetails); } details+="\n"; } return details+separator; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add appropriate error handling so that the program does not close when an invalid input is entered'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} JD - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Changes takes place in the Main void, in the fifth switch case - <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": Console.WriteLine("Enter in number of stages to advance, it must be under 20 digits"); string NumberOfStages = (Console.ReadLine()); //string used since it won't instantly crash the code when a "number" that's too long is input if (NumberOfStages.Length > 19 || !NumberOfStages.All(char.IsDigit)) //the max ulong (unsigned 64 bit) number is 1.8x10^19, a 20 digit number. we exlude 20 digit numbers since if someone typed a 20 digit number bigger than 1.8x10^19, the code would crash. we also check to see if every character in the string is a digit { Console.WriteLine("Number entered is too large, or you have entered in letters. going back to main menu"); break; } ulong NumberOfStagesULong = (ulong)Convert.ToInt64(NumberOfStages); //converting string to ulong, so it can be used later ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage((int)NumberOfStagesULong); // END OF CHANGE Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}"); break; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} IH - BCSF - Leicester this edits the main function between lines 9 and 74 <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> def Main(): SimulationParameters = [] ### # SimNo = input("Enter simulation number: ") while SimNo not in ["1", "2", "3", "4"]: SimNo = input("Enter simulation number: ") if SimNo == "1": SimulationParameters = [1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50] elif SimNo == "2": SimulationParameters = [1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100] elif SimNo == "3": SimulationParameters = [1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25] elif SimNo == "4": SimulationParameters = [2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25] ThisSimulation = Simulation(SimulationParameters) Choice = "" while Choice != "9": DisplayMenu() Choice = GetChoice() if Choice == "1": print(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()) elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 Row, Column = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)) elif Choice == "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1) print("Simulation moved on one stage\n") elif Choice == "5": NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") input() def DisplayMenu(): print() print("1. Display overall details") print("2. Display area details") print("3. Inspect cell") print("4. Advance one stage") print("5. Advance X stages") print("9. Quit") print() print("> ", end='') def GetChoice(): Choice = input("pick a number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9") while Choice not in ["1", "2", "3", "4", "5", "9"]: Choice = input("pick a number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9") return Choice # ### ==='''Make a fighter ant class that fights and defends their nest from other types of ants'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE static class FighterAnt extends Ant{ // I wanted everything in one class so some best practice may not be used. int health = 100; FighterAnt(int startRow, int startColumn, int nestInRow, int nestInColumn) { super(startRow, startColumn, nestInRow, nestInColumn); typeOfAnt = "fighter"; health = 100; } //ant 0 is this ant and ant 1 is the other ant and it is the winner of the fight. only one surviver // if healths out of 100 that could be the prob of hitting public int fightEachOther(int healthOfOtherAnt) { Random ranGen = new Random(); // you add 1 to each as the next int is exclusive with the last value. aka if 100 was input the output would be from 0-99 if(healthOfOtherAnt < health) { // this ant wins healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt(healthOfOtherAnt +1); health -= ranGen.nextInt((int) (health * 0.25 +1)); } else if(healthOfOtherAnt > health) { // other ant wins health -= ranGen.nextInt(health + 1); healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt((int) (healthOfOtherAnt * 0.25 +1)); } else { // luck, may the best win. healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt(healthOfOtherAnt +1); health -= ranGen.nextInt(health +1); } // if if statements in java are only 1 line long this works. no brakets needed if (health <= 0 && healthOfOtherAnt <= 0 ) return 2; // both ants died else if(health <= 0) return 1; // this ant lost else if(healthOfOtherAnt <= 0) return 0; // this ant won else return 99; // no ants died return 0; } // following pheromones to fight / protect food. @Override public void chooseCellToMoveTo(ArrayList<Integer> listOfNeighbours, int indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone) { IntWrapper r, c; if (amountOfFoodCarried > 0) { if (row > nestRow) { row -= 1; } else if (row < nestRow) { row += 1; } if (column > nestColumn) { column -= 1; } else if (column < nestColumn) { column += 1; } } else if (indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone == -1) { int indexToUse = chooseRandomNeighbour(listOfNeighbours); r = new IntWrapper(row); c = new IntWrapper(column); changeCell(indexToUse, r, c); row = r.value; column = c.value; } else { int indexToUse = listOfNeighbours.indexOf(indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone); r = new IntWrapper(row); c = new IntWrapper(column); changeCell(indexToUse, r, c); row = r.value; column = c.value; } } public int getAntsHealth() { return health; } } //END OF CHANGE // this is at no means complete. please amend and add more functionality and add your name. This is a mock up. </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an option to read a file which can be used for the Simulation Parameters''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Test File}} <syntaxhighlight lang="Test File" line="1"> name > sim1file.txt Content: --start file-- 10 50 50 690 676 420 5000 5000 --end file-- </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> System.out.println("Select (S)imulation or load a (F)ile: "); String enterOption = scanner.nextLine(); enterOption.toUpperCase(); if(enterOption.contentEquals("F")) { System.out.println("Enter File name with extention (.txt): "); String file = scanner.nextLine(); /** * file should be: * value1 * value2 * value3 * ... */ simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(); BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new FileReader(file)); String line; while ((line = br.readLine()) != null){ simulationParameters.add(Integer.parseInt(line)); } } else { System.out.print("Enter simulation number: "); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Edit the Simulation class to add the same amount of food to the food cells as is added to each nest === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> Simulation(ArrayList<Integer> simulationParameters) { ... addFoodToCell(row, column, startingFoodInNest); ... </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''After a set of simulation parameters has been selected, display the simulation values''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> String output; output = "startingNumberOfNests is " + simulationParameters.get(0) +"\n"; output += "numberOfRows is " + simulationParameters.get(1) +"\n"; output += "numberOfColumns is " + simulationParameters.get(2) +"\n"; output += "startingFoodInNest is " + simulationParameters.get(3) +"\n"; output += "startingNumberOfFoodCells is " + simulationParameters.get(4) +"\n"; output += "startingAntsInNest is " + simulationParameters.get(5) +"\n"; output += "newPheromoneStrength is " + simulationParameters.get(6) +"\n"; output += "pheromoneDeca is " + simulationParameters.get(7); System.out.println(output); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Prevent food from spawning within one cell of a nest ''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> for (Nest n : nests) { int x = n.getRow(); int y = n.getColumn(); int xdiff = Math.abs(x) - Math.abs(row); int ydiff = Math.abs(x) - Math.abs(row); xdiff = Math.abs(xdiff); ydiff = Math.abs(ydiff); if(xdiff == 1 || ydiff == 1 || (n.getRow() == row && n.getColumn() == column)) { allowed = false; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Bill Robinson<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> # At the end of Simulation.__init__() for N in self._Nests: if abs(N.GetRow() - Row) < 2 and abs(N.GetColumn() - Column) < 2: Allowed = False self.AddFoodToCell(Row, Column, 500) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Swaps values in "Display area details" when the first cell entered is larger than the second one. [13]''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} Charlotte of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> In the "getAreaDetails()" method: if(startRow>endRow) { int temp = startRow; startRow = endRow; endRow = temp; temp= startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } if(startRow == endRow) { if(startColumn>endColumn) { int temp = startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> //This is a better presented and commented version of the code above from charlotte i did work on this myself but realsied their method was better so i used hers and added comments. While calling me a idiot. if(startRow > endRow) { int temp = startRow; //flip it so the start row is smaller startRow = endRow; endRow = temp; temp = startColumn; // fliping collum so the area slected is the same startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } if(startRow == endRow) { // if the rows equal and start colum is bigger then end coloum // then you must flip the coloums to get the right area selected if(startColumn > endColumn) { int temp = startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Bill Robinson <syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> # addition of first 4 lines below to choice 2 in Main(): if StartRow > EndRow: StartRow, EndRow = EndRow, StartRow if StartColumn > EndColumn: StartColumn, EndColumn = EndColumn, StartColumn print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} nic8spc8cxud99zw5158u14hbpccvsk 4639456 4639336 2026-06-09T07:59:01Z ~2026-34125-22 3603716 /* Have the program exit when the user decides to quit */ 4639456 wikitext text/x-wiki {{or}} '''Ant Simulation''' This is for the 2026 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams! ==Section C Mark distribution comparison== Mark distribution for this year: The 2026 paper 1 will contain '''five''' questions worth '''3, 5, 2, 2 and 1 mark(s) (12 total)'''. The 2025 paper contained 4 questions worth 2 marks each (8 total). The 2024 paper contained 3 questions worth 11 marks in total (3+2+6=11). The 2023 paper contained 6 questions worth 13 marks The 2022 paper contained 5 questions worth 17 marks. The 2021 paper contained 4 questions worth 13 marks. == Section C Predictions == '''Predictions:''' # Basically, Logically, technically, finally, # a) What is Encapsulation? b) What is a specific purpose of encapsulation being used in this program? # What is Inheritance? And give an example of polymorphism in the code? Note: at least for the Python skeleton code, there is no exception handling. In past papers which have had exception handling in the code, there were 1 to 2 mark questions asked about it in this section. Should exception handling come up, it would have to be in section D. ==Section D Mark distribution comparison== Mark distribution for this year: * The 2026 paper 1 contains 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D Predictions == Current questions are speculation by contributors to this page == Simulation 1 == === '''When inspecting a cell, ensure that the cell reference they have entered is within the bounds of the simulation, asking them to input a cell again again if not'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 60: case "3": int Row = 0, Column = 0; <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE: loop until valid cell is entered do { GetCellReference(ref Row, ref Column); if (Row < 1 || Row > ThisSimulation.NumberOfRows || Column < 1 || Column > ThisSimulation.NumberOfColumns) { Console.WriteLine($"Invalid cell! Please enter a row between 1-{ThisSimulation.NumberOfRows} and a column between 1-{ThisSimulation.NumberOfColumns}."); } else { break; } } while (true); //END OF CHANGE //End of Change //Note Before: This requires some amending as non integer values such as strings can still cause errors :P (Non-Coombe Wood School Student) //Ok, it's been a week and it still hasn't been changed, it really needs to be fixed cause it still causes errors for non integer values :/ (Non-Coombe Wood School Student) Around line 130: //START OF CHANGE public int NumberOfRows, NumberOfColumns; protected int StartingFoodInNest, StartingNumberOfFoodCells, StartingNumberOfNests; //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //add Simulation parameter, which must be included as an argument whenever getCellReference is called static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column, Simulation thisSim) { System.out.println(); do { System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } while (row.value > thisSim.numberOfRows || row.value < 1); do { System.out.print("Enter column number: "); column.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } while (column.value > thisSim.numberOfColumns || column.value < 1); System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Salty Springs - credit to salty springs, hop off pls dont do trickss on itt :/ <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #part of the simulation class def CheckCellExists(self, Row, Column): if Row <= self._NumberOfRows and Row >= 1 and Column <= self._NumberOfColumns and Column >= 1: return True return False #in Main() elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 Row, Column = GetCellReference() #get specific cell *howls* while not ThisSimulation.CheckCellExists(Row,Column): print("Invalid cell") Row, Column = GetCellReference() #get specific cell </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered and ask the user to retry ''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon //START OF CHANGE "Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered" Console.WriteLine(); while (true) { Console.Write("Enter row number: "); string rowInput = Console.ReadLine(); if (string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(rowInput) || !int.TryParse(rowInput, out Row) || Row <= 0) { Console.WriteLine("Invalid row input. Please enter a valid positive number."); continue; } Console.Write("Enter column number: "); string colInput = Console.ReadLine(); if (string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(colInput) || !int.TryParse(colInput, out Column) || Column <= 0) { Console.WriteLine("Invalid column input. Please enter a valid positive number."); continue; } // If both inputs are valid break; } Console.WriteLine(); } //END OF CHANGE "Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered" </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA"> static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column, int maxRow, int maxColumn) { System.out.println(); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); while (row.value < 0 || row.value > maxRow) { System.out.println(); System.out.println("That was invalid you little punk. Try Again."); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } System.out.print("Enter column number: "); column.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); while (column.value < 0 || column.value > maxColumn) { System.out.println(); System.out.println("That was invalid you little punk. Try Again."); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School DM <syntaxhighlight lang="Java"> //line 101 static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column) { System.out.println(); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); String inputRow = scanner.nextLine(); while(inputRow == "" || inputRow == " ") { System.out.print("Invalid input, please try again\n"); inputRow = scanner.nextLine(); } row.value = Integer.parseInt(inputRow); System.out.print("Enter column number: "); String inputCol = scanner.nextLine(); while(inputCol == "" || inputCol == " ") { System.out.print("Invalid input. please try again\n"); inputCol = scanner.nextLine(); } column.value = Integer.parseInt(inputCol); System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - VC - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # replace GetCellReference() with this, around line 65, it adds a check to see if the selected spot is valid def GetCellReference(): print() while True: row_input = input("Enter row number: ").strip() if not row_input or not row_input.isdigit() or int(row_input) <= 0: print("Invalid row input. Please enter a valid positive number.") continue col_input = input("Enter column number: ").strip() if not col_input or not col_input.isdigit() or int(col_input) <= 0: print("Invalid column input. Please enter a valid positive number.") continue # If both inputs are valid Row = int(row_input) Column = int(col_input) break print() return Row, Column </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Fix the error that occurs when trying to inspect a cell not in the range of the grid''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> public string GetCellDetails(int Row, int Column) { //START OF CHANGE if (Row < 1 || Row > NumberOfRows || Column < 1 || Column > NumberOfColumns) { return $"Cell ({Row}, {Column}) is out of range."; } // END OF CHANGE Add this to the start of the GetCellDetails </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # replace GetCellDetails with this in the simulation class (around line 220), it adds a try/except for if the index is out of range def GetCellDetails(self, Row, Column): try: CurrentCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] Details = CurrentCell.GetDetails() N = self.GetNestInCell(CurrentCell) if N is not None: Details += f"Nest present ({N.GetFoodLevel()} food)" + "\n\n" if self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "ANTS\n" for A in self._Ants: if A.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += A.GetDetails() + "\n" Details += "\n\n" if self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "PHEROMONES\n" for P in self._Pheromones: if P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += f"Ant {P.GetBelongsTo()} with strength of {P.GetStrength()}" + "\n\n" Details += "\n\n" return Details except: print("Cell was out of range\n") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} City of Norwich School This fixes the issue where an IndexError is thrown when inspecting a cell outside of the bounds of the map. One unique case this fix catches is inspecting a cell at position '''(0,0)'''. Row and column indexing starts at 1, so there should be no cell at (0, 0) and an IndexError should be thrown when trying to obtain it. However, this does not happen and cell details are still returned. When inspecting a cell, the cell's position is converted to a grid list index using the '''__GetIndex(self, Row, Column)''' method. Cell instances are stored in a 1D list (_Grid), so a cell's position has to be converted to its index within the grid list. Grid list indices are calculated using the formula: <math>(Row - 1) * NumberOfColumns + Column - 1 = GridListIndex</math> When the row is '''0''' and the column is '''0''', this equation evaluates to a '''negative''' value regardless of which simulation is used. For example, this evaluates to '''-6''' when using simulation 1 as it has a map with 5 rows and 5 columns. Negative indices are still valid in Python, but unlike positive indices, they go from right to left and indexing starts at -1. As a result, a cell instance is still obtained and an IndexError is not thrown. The following fix catches all erroneous cases except for empty strings, non-numeric characters and decimals. The fix begins at line 38 in the program in the Main() subroutine.<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> while Choice != "9": DisplayMenu() Choice = GetChoice() if Choice == "1": print(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()) elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 # Change start valid_cell = False while not valid_cell: Row, Column = GetCellReference() if (Row > 0 and Column > 0 and Row <= SimulationParameters[1] and Column <= SimulationParameters[2]): valid_cell = True else: print("Invalid cell position!") # Change end print(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)) elif Choice == "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1) print("Simulation moved on one stage\n") elif Choice == "5": NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Simulation 2 == === Fix the error of the cell still increasing pheromones after it is empty === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AL- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="c#" line="1"> public void AdvanceStage(int NumberOfStages) { for (int Count = 1; Count <= NumberOfStages; Count++) { List<Pheromone> PheromonesToDelete = new List<Pheromone>(); foreach (Pheromone P in Pheromones) { P.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); if (P.GetStrength() == 0) { PheromonesToDelete.Add(P); } } foreach (Pheromone P in PheromonesToDelete) { Pheromones.Remove(P); } foreach (Ant A in Ant) { A.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); Cell CurrentCell = Grid[GetIndex(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())]; if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0 && A.IsAtOwnNest()) { AddFoodToNest(A.GetFoodCarried(), A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()); A.UpdateFoodCarried(-A.GetFoodCarried()); } else if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0 && A.GetFoodCarried() == 0) { int FoodObtained; do { FoodObtained = RGen.Next(1, A.GetFoodCapacity() + 1); } while (FoodObtained > CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() || (A.GetFoodCarried() + FoodObtained) > A.GetFoodCapacity()); CurrentCell.UpdateFoodInCell(-FoodObtained); A.UpdateFoodCarried(FoodObtained); //start of change //removes pheromones from empty cells if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() == 0) { Pheromones.RemoveAll(P => P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell)); } //end of change } else { if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0) { UpdateAntsPheromoneInCell(A); } A.ChooseCellToMoveTo(GetIndicesOfNeighbours(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()), GetIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())); } } foreach (Nest N in Nests) { N.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); } } </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === When selecting the option 'Display area details', selecting an area by using a point further from the top-left than the second point results in nothing being displayed. Fix this error such that, when this is input, it displays the same result if the points were input in the other order === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DA- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="c#" line="1"> public string GetAreaDetails(int StartRow, int StartColumn, int EndRow, int EndColumn) { //start of changes if (StartRow > EndRow) { int temp = StartRow; StartRow = EndRow; EndRow = temp; } if (StartColumn > EndColumn) { int temp = StartColumn; StartColumn = EndColumn; EndColumn = temp; } //end of changes string Details = ""; for (int Row = StartRow; Row <= EndRow; Row++) { for (int Column = StartColumn; Column <= EndColumn; Column++) { Details += $"{Row}, {Column}: "; Cell TempCell = Grid[GetIndex(Row, Column)]; if (GetNestInCell(TempCell) != null) { Details += "| Nest | "; } int NumberOfAnts = GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell); if (NumberOfAnts > 0) { Details += $"| Ants: {NumberOfAnts} | "; } int NumberOfPheromones = GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell); if (NumberOfPheromones > 0) { Details += $"| Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} | "; } int AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood(); if (AmountOfFood > 0) { Details += $"| {AmountOfFood} food | "; } Details += Environment.NewLine; } } return Details; } </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} LMW- Caistor Grammar School - Caistor <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() StartRow,EndRow=min(StartRow,EndRow),max(StartRow,EndRow) StartColumn,EndColumn=min(StartColumn,EndColumn),max(StartColumn,EndColumn) print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Fix the error where the game ends without a message when there are no more ants remaining === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} KO- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon public void AdvanceStage(int NumberOfStages) { for (int Count = 1; Count <= NumberOfStages; Count++) { List<Pheromone> PheromonesToDelete = new List<Pheromone>(); foreach (Pheromone P in Pheromones) { P.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); if (P.GetStrength() == 0) { PheromonesToDelete.Add(P); } } foreach (Pheromone P in PheromonesToDelete) { Pheromones.Remove(P); } foreach (Ant A in Ants) { A.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); Cell CurrentCell = Grid[GetIndex(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())]; if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0 && A.IsAtOwnNest()) { AddFoodToNest(A.GetFoodCarried(), A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()); A.UpdateFoodCarried(-A.GetFoodCarried()); } else if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0 && A.GetFoodCarried() == 0) { int FoodObtained; do { FoodObtained = RGen.Next(1, A.GetFoodCapacity() + 1); } while (FoodObtained > CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() || (A.GetFoodCarried() + FoodObtained) > A.GetFoodCapacity()); CurrentCell.UpdateFoodInCell(-FoodObtained); A.UpdateFoodCarried(FoodObtained); } else { if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0) { UpdateAntsPheromoneInCell(A); } A.ChooseCellToMoveTo(GetIndicesOfNeighbours(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()), GetIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())); } } foreach (Nest N in Nests) { N.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); } // start of change if (Ants.Count == 0) { Console.WriteLine("game over"); Console.ReadKey(); Environment.Exit(0); } // end of change } } {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County Sixth # At the end of the simulation.advancestage() method if len(self._Ants) == 0: print("Simulation is ending at",self._Stage," because no more Ants remain") self.Running = False break {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Limit skippable stages so the user can't skip straight to when the ants die (adds more playability) === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AS- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Simulation ThisSimulation = new Simulation(SimulationParameters); string Choice; Do Case 5 replace the code with this code: case "5": //start of change Console.Write("Enter number of stages to advance by (max 5): "); int NumberOfStages = Convert.ToInt32(Console.ReadLine()); if (NumberOfStages > 5) { Console.WriteLine("You can't advance more then 5 stages"); NumberOfStages = 5; } else if (NumberOfStages < 1) { Console.WriteLine("You have to atleast advance 1 stage."); NumberOfStages = 1; } ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}");//end of change break; {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13C - NC - Guildford County School<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> #import copy module import copy #start of change elif Choice == "5": backupsimulation=copy.deepcopy(ThisSimulation) print(backupsimulation.GetDetails()) NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) if ThisSimulation._Ants==[]: print('you have advanced too many stages (all ants dead)') ThisSimulation=backupsimulation print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") #end of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Simulation 3 == == Simulation 4 == === '''Prevent nests from culling ants from other nests''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} NG - Lancaster Royal Grammar School - Lancaster <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> ## START OF CHANGE ~line 421 def AdvanceStage(self, Nests, Ants, Pheromones): if Ants is None: return AntsToCull = 0 Count = 0 for A in Ants: if self.IsAntInNest(A): if A.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": Count += 10 else: Count += 2 self.ChangeFood(-int(Count)) NestAnts = [A for A in Ants if self.IsAntInNest(A)] if self._FoodLevel == 0 and len(NestAnts) > 0: AntsToCull += 1 if self._FoodLevel < len(NestAnts): AntsToCull += 1 if self._FoodLevel < len(NestAnts) * 5: AntsToCull += 1 if AntsToCull > len(NestAnts): AntsToCull = len(NestAnts) random.shuffle(Ants) Pos = 0 while AntsToCull > 0 and len(Ants) > Pos: if self.IsAntInNest(Ants[Pos]): if Ants[Pos].GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": self._NumberOfQueens -= 1 Ants.pop(Pos) AntsToCull -= 1 else: Pos += 1 else: for A in range(1, self._NumberOfQueens + 1): RNo1 = random.randint(0, 99) if RNo1 < 50: RNo2 = random.randint(0, 99) if RNo2 < 2: Ants.append(QueenAnt(self._Row, self._Column, self._Row, self._Column)) else: Ants.append(WorkerAnt(self._Row, self._Column, self._Row, self._Column)) return Nests, Ants, Pheromones def IsAntInNest(self, Ant): return (Ant.GetNestRow() == self._Row and Ant.GetNestColumn() == self._Column) ## END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == General Questions == === '''Have the program exit when the user decides to quit''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DO - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> Line 71 - After the get choice //start of change if (Choice == "9") { Environment.Exit(0); } Console.ReadLine(); //End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Line 45 - after the processing for the other inputs #start of change if Choice == "9": quit() #End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Fix the error in selecting the simulation when a value between 1 and 4 is <u>not</u> entered''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} RT - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> static void Main() { List<int> SimulationParameters = new List<int>(); Console.Write("Enter simulation number: "); string SimNo = Console.ReadLine(); switch (SimNo) { case "1": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50 }; break; case "2": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100 }; break; case "3": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25 }; break; case "4": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25 }; break; //start of change default: Console.WriteLine("Enter a number between 1-4"); Main(); break; } ; //End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} LT - Harington School<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1">public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception { ArrayList<Integer> simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(); while(simulationParameters.isEmpty()) { System.out.print("Enter simulation number: "); String simNo = scanner.nextLine(); switch (simNo) { case "1": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50)); break; case "2": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100)); break; case "3": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25)); break; case "4": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25)); break; default: System.out.println("\nInvalid Input!"); break; } System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13C - ZH - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> def Main(): SimulationParameters = [] SimNo = input("Enter simulation number (1-4): ") while SimNo not in ["1","2","3","4"]: SimNo = input("Enter simulation number (1-4): ") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an option to create a new nest. This should be allowed to be done only once per simulation. You do <u>not</u> need to check whether there is a nest already at that location''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School - LC <syntaxhighlight lang="Java" line="1" start="1"> //Start around line 70 after case 5 //Create new local boolean variable nestCreated //Start of change case "6": if (nestCreated == true) { System.out.println("New nest already created, you can only create 1"); } else { IntWrapper nestRow = new IntWrapper(0), nestColumn = new IntWrapper(0); getCellReference(nestRow, nestColumn); thisSimulation.setUpANestAt(nestRow.value, nestColumn.value); nestCreated = true; } break; //End of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="Java" line="1" start="1"> //Start around line 70 after case 5 //Create new static boolean variable doneAddedNess set to false case "6": if(!doneAddedNess) { System.out.println("Adding a ness "); System.out.println("x: "); int x = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("y: "); int y = scanner.nextInt(); thisSimulation.setUpANestAt(x,y); doneAddedNess = true; } else { System.out.println("you have already added a nest this game silly."); } break; // in displayMenu System.out.println("6. Add a ness (once per game)"); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} JD - John Port Spencer Academy CHANGE ~ line 54 elif Choice == "6": if nestCreated != True: print("Add a nest") x = int(input("X coord: ")) y = int(input("Y coord: ")) ThisSimulation.SetUpANestAt(x, y) nestCreated = True else: print("Already added a nest") END CHANGE elif Choice == "9": quit() -------------------------- def DisplayMenu(): print() print("1. Display overall details") print("2. Display area details") print("3. Inspect cell") print("4. Advance one stage") print("5. Advance X stages") CHANGE FOR OPTION 6 ADDED print("6. Add a nest (1 per game)") ENDCHANGE {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an end to the simulation when there are 0 ants''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 60: <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //start of change // Add to end of Advance stage: if (Ants.Count == 0) { Console.WriteLine("All ants are dead. Game Over!"); Console.ReadKey(); Environment.Exit(0); } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> public void advanceStage(int numberOfStages) { boolean anyAntsLeft = false; for (int count = 1; count <= numberOfStages; count++) { anyAntsLeft = false; ArrayList<Pheromone> pheromonesToDelete = new ArrayList<Pheromone>(); for (Pheromone p : pheromones) { p.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); if (p.getStrength() == 0) { pheromonesToDelete.add(p); } } for (Pheromone p : pheromonesToDelete) { pheromones.remove(p); } for (Ant a : ants) { a.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); anyAntsLeft = true; Cell currentCell = grid.get(getIndex(a.getRow(), a.getColumn())); if ((a.getFoodCarried() > 0) && a.isAtOwnNest()) { addFoodToNest(a.getFoodCarried(), a.getRow(), a.getColumn()); a.updateFoodCarried(-a.getFoodCarried()); } else if ((currentCell.getAmountOfFood() > 0) && (a.getFoodCarried() == 0) && (a.getFoodCapacity() > 0)) { int foodObtained; do { foodObtained = rGen.nextInt(a.getFoodCapacity()) + 1; } while (!(foodObtained <= currentCell.getAmountOfFood() && (a.getFoodCarried() + foodObtained) <= a.getFoodCapacity())); currentCell.updateFoodInCell(-foodObtained); a.updateFoodCarried(foodObtained); } else { if (a.getFoodCarried() > 0) { updateAntsPheromoneInCell(a); } a.chooseCellToMoveTo(getIndicesOfNeighbours(a.getRow(), a.getColumn()), getIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(a.getRow(), a.getColumn())); } } for (Nest n : nests) { n.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); } } if(!anyAntsLeft) { System.out.println("No ants detected ending sim"); System.exit(0); // i know this is a bad habit. But i dont know other ways of stopping it easily without changing code in diffrent areas... laziness wins. } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JS - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # Around line 20, just before DisplayMenu() and just after Choice = "" # start of change if len(ThisSimulation._Ants) == 0: print("No more ants, you lost!") quit() # End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} LMW - Caistor Grammar School - Caistor <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> def GetDetails(self): Details = "" for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): Details += f"{Row}, {Column}: " TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: Details += "| Nest | " NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: Details += f"| Ants: {NumberOfAnts} | " # Edit Begins Here elif NumberOfAnts == 0: print("No Ants Remaining - Simulation over") quit() # Edit Ends Here NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: Details += f"| Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} | " AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: Details += f"| {AmountOfFood} food | " Details += "\n" return Details </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''If the Queen is dead the simulation will end''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AL- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon public override void AdvanceStage(List<Nest> Nests, List<Ant> Ants, List<Pheromone> Pheromones) { if (Ants == null) { return; } int AntsToCull = 0; int Count = 0; foreach (Ant A in Ants) { if (A.GetNestRow() == Row && A.GetNestColumn() == Column) { if (A.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen") { Count += 10; } else { Count += 2; } } //start of change if (NumberOfQueens < 1) { Console.WriteLine("The Queen has died, the simulation cannot continue"); System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(2000); Environment.Exit(0); } // end of change } {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School public void advanceStage(int numberOfStages) { boolean queen = false; for (int count = 1; count <= numberOfStages; count++) { queen = false; for (Ant a : ants) { a.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); if(a.getTypeOfAnt() == "queen") { queen = true;} } } if(!queen) { System.out.println("No queen detected ending sim"); System.exit(0); // i know this is a bad habit. But i dont know other ways of stoping it easily without changing code in diffrent areas. } } // it looks like code is ending like and some if and for loops but I just removed the inside to shorten it but kepts some stuff so you can ruffly see where it should be. // this code lookes terible becuse i cant figgure out how to present it well in the edditer please feel free to make it look better. I tried my best. {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County Sixth # At the end of Simulaton.AdvanceStage() queen = False for i in self._Ants: if i.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": queen = True if not queen: print("Simulation is ending at",self._Stage," because no more queen ants remain") self.Running = False break {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an explanation of each simulation before the user is prompted to input the simulation number''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} KW - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon // START OF CHANGE - below the FIRST SimNo SWITCH switch (SimNo) { case "1": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 1, a 5x5 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 50"); break; case "2": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 2, a 5x5 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 100"); break; case "3": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 3, a 10x10 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 25"); break; case "4": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 4, a 10x10 grid with two nests and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 25"); break; } // END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE static void displaySims() { // yes i just copy and pasted the values from the Preliminary Material System.out.println("1. Simulation 1 is a 5×5 grid with one nest. Five ants belong to that nest (one queen and four\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation the nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is\r\n" + "50 per stage"); System.out.println("2. Simulation 2 is the same as simulation 1 except the pheromone decay rate is 100 per stage"); System.out.println("3. Simulation 3 is a 10×10 grid with one nest. Nine ants belong to that nest (one queen and eight\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation the nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is\r\n" + "25 per stage"); System.out.println("4. Simulation 4 is a 10×10 grid with two nests. Six ants belong to each nest (one queen and five\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation each nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is 25 per stage"); System.out.println("5. custom sim (added by king olie)"); } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Add this function anywhere in the program #start of change def printSimDetails(params): print() print("This Simulation has:") print(" - " + str(params[0]) + " nests") print(" - a " + str(params[1]) + "x" + str(params[2]) + " grid") print(" - " + str(params[3]) + " starting food in the nests") print(" - " + str(params[4]) + " cells with food to start with") print(" - " + str(params[5]) + " ants in each nest") print(" - " + str(params[6]) + " strength for new pheremones") print(" - " + str(params[7]) + " pheremone decay") print() #End of Change #put this just after the elifs to check simulation parameters (around line 20) #start of change printSimDetails(SimulationParameters) #end of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} ==='''Add a custom simulation. The user should be able to enter their own values for the simulation parameters'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": // new sim System.out.println("Please enter the values for the following: "); System.out.println("Starting number of nests: "); int startNumberOfNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Number of Rows"); int numberOfRows = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Number of columns: "); int numberOfColums = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting Food In Nest: "); int startingFoodInNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting number of food cells: "); int startingNumberOfFoodCells = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting ants in nest: "); int startingAntsInNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("New pheromone strength: "); int newPheromoneStrength = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("New pheromone Decay: "); int newPheromoneDecay = scanner.nextInt(); simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(startNumberOfNests, numberOfRows, numberOfColums, startingFoodInNests, startingNumberOfFoodCells, startingAntsInNests, newPheromoneStrength, newPheromoneDecay)); break; //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13A - RH - Aylesbury Grammar School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # Line 20 # CHANGE elif SimNo == "5": print("Please enter the following values") startNumberOfNests = input("Starting number of nests: ") numberOfRows = input("Number of rows: ") numberOfColumns = input("Number of columns: ") startingFoodInNests = input("Starting Food In Nest: ") startingNumberOfFoodCells = input("Starting number of food cells: ") startingAntsInNests = input("Starting ants in nest: ") newPheromoneStrength = input("New pheromone strength: ") newPheromoneDecay = input("New pheromone Decay: ") SimulationParameters = [ startNumberOfNests, numberOfRows, numberOfColumns, startingFoodInNests, startingNumberOfFoodCells, startingAntsInNests, newPheromoneStrength, newPheromoneDecay ] # END CHANGEsam </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add a simulation number 5 with its own parameters''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 36 <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": SimulationParameters = new List<int> {3, 15,15,500 , 3, 4, 1000, 25}; break; //END OF CHANGE //YOU CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE LIST TO MAKE YOUR OWN SIMULATION </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School Line ~82 <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(300, 105,105,5000 , 30, 40, 1000000, 2500)); break; //END OF CHANGE //YOU CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE LIST TO MAKE YOUR OWN SIMULATION </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JT - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Around line 19, after the elif for SimNo 4 #start of change elif SimNo == "5": SimulationParameters = [3, 20, 20, 1000, 6, 12, 2000, 50] #End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Make the grid be displayed as an actual grid '''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DA - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //You need to add all 3 parts for it to work add the red bits only, the black is just to see where //Around line 67 DisplayMenu(); Choice = GetChoice(); switch (Choice) { case "1": Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()); break; case "2": int StartRow = 0, StartColumn = 0, EndRow = 0, EndColumn = 0; GetCellReference(ref StartRow, ref StartColumn); GetCellReference(ref EndRow, ref EndColumn); Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)); break; case "3": int Row = 0, Column = 0; GetCellReference(ref Row, ref Column); Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)); break; case "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on one stage{Environment.NewLine}"); break; case "5": Console.Write("Enter number of stages to advance by: "); int NumberOfStages = Convert.ToInt32(Console.ReadLine()); ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}"); break; //start of change case "7"; ThisSimulation.DisplayGrid(); Break; //end of change //Around line 125 static void DisplayMenu() { Console.WriteLine(); Console.WriteLine("1. Display overall details"); Console.WriteLine("2. Display area details"); Console.WriteLine("3. Inspect cell"); Console.WriteLine("4. Advance one stage"); Console.WriteLine("5. Advance X stages"); //start of change Console.WriteLine("7. Display grid view"); //end of change Console.WriteLine("9. Quit"); Console.WriteLine(); Console.Write("> "); } //After the getdetails string ends, put this outside the brackets public void DisplayGrid() { for (int row = 1; row <= NumberOfRows; row++) { for (int col = 1; col <= NumberOfColumns; col++) { Cell currentCell = Grid[GetIndex(row, col)]; string cellDisplay = "["; bool hasContent = false; if (GetNestInCell(currentCell) != null) { cellDisplay += "N"; hasContent = true; } if (GetNumberOfAntsInCell(currentCell) > 0) { cellDisplay += "A"; hasContent = true; } if (currentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0) { cellDisplay += "F"; hasContent = true; } if (GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(currentCell) > 0) { cellDisplay += "P"; hasContent = true; } if (!hasContent) { cellDisplay += " "; } cellDisplay += "]"; Console.Write(cellDisplay + " "); } Console.WriteLine(); } } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King olie of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> public String getDetails() { // use format tools String addes = "| %-35s "; String layout = ""; String layerRowAdds = "-"; String layerRow = ""; String output = ""; String[] details = new String[numberOfColumns]; for (int i = 0; i < numberOfColumns; i++) { layout += addes; details[i] = ""; } for (int i = 0; i < (38 * numberOfColumns); i++) { layerRow += layerRowAdds; } layout += "|"; boolean didSomethink = false; for (int row = 1; row <= numberOfRows; row++) { for (int column = 1; column <= numberOfColumns; column++) { Cell tempCell = grid.get(getIndex(row, column)); if (getNestInCell(tempCell) != null) { details[column-1] += "Nest; "; didSomethink = true; } int numberOfAnts = getNumberOfAntsInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfAnts > 0) { details[column-1] += "Ants: " + numberOfAnts + "; "; didSomethink = true; } int numberOfPheromones = getNumberOfPheromonesInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfPheromones > 0) { details[column-1] += "Pheromones: " + numberOfPheromones + "; "; didSomethink = true; } int amountOfFood = tempCell.getAmountOfFood(); if (amountOfFood > 0) { details[column-1] += amountOfFood + " food; "; didSomethink = true; } if(!didSomethink) { details[column-1] = "BLANK"; } didSomethink = false; } output += layerRow + "\n"; output += String.format(layout, details) + "\n"; for (int i = 0; i < numberOfRows; i++) { details[i] = ""; } } output += layerRow + "\n"; return output; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python - only works for a 5 x 5..}}SB - John Port Spencer Academy def GetDetails(self): print("GetDetails from Simulation - code started") Details = "------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n" for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): row = "|" for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): count = 0 cell = "" TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: cell += "Nest" count += 1 NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" Ants: {NumberOfAnts}" else: cell += f"Ants: {NumberOfAnts}" count += 1 NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones}" else: cell += f"Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones}" count += 1 AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" {AmountOfFood} food" else: cell += f"{AmountOfFood} food" count += 1 if count == 0: cell += " " cell = cell.center(30) cell += "|" row += cell Details += row num = len(row) Details += f"\n{num*'-'}\n" return Details {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}}RC <syntaxhighlight lang="python" def GetDetailsGrid(self): Details = [] for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): RowGrid = [] for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): item = "" TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: item += "Nest " NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: item += f"Ants: {NumberOfAnts} " NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: item += f"Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} " AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: item += f"{AmountOfFood} food " RowGrid.append(item) Details.append(RowGrid) return Details def DisplayGrid(self): for i in self.GetDetailsGrid(): for j in i: print('|{:^32s}|'.format(j),end='') print("") print("") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="python3" line="1" start="1"> #method for the Simulation class def DisplayGrid(self): for row in range(0,self._NumberOfRows): Details = "" for column in range(self._NumberOfColumns): Details += "|" addSpace = True CurrentCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(row, column)] N = self.GetNestInCell(CurrentCell) if N is not None: Details += f"Nest: ({N.GetFoodLevel()} food)" addSpace = False if self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "Ants: " + str(self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell)) addSpace = False if self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "Pheromones:" for P in self._Pheromones: if P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += f"Ant {P.GetBelongsTo()}: strength = {P.GetStrength()}" addSpace = False if addSpace: Details += " " Details += "|" print(Details) print() </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} Harington School - use of String.format() to evenly space the cell widths <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> public String getDetails() { String cellFormat = "%-11s|"; String separator = "-"; for(int i=0; i<numberOfColumns; i++) { separator += "------------"; } String details = ""; for (int row = 1; row <= numberOfRows; row++) { details += separator+"\n"; details+="|"; for (int column = 1; column <= numberOfColumns; column++) { Cell tempCell = grid.get(getIndex(row, column)); String cellDetails = ""; if (getNestInCell(tempCell) != null) { cellDetails += "N "; } int numberOfAnts = getNumberOfAntsInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfAnts > 0) { cellDetails += "A" + numberOfAnts + " "; } int numberOfPheromones = getNumberOfPheromonesInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfPheromones > 0) { cellDetails += "P" + numberOfPheromones + " "; } int amountOfFood = tempCell.getAmountOfFood(); if (amountOfFood > 0) { cellDetails += "F" + amountOfFood + " "; } details += String.format(cellFormat, cellDetails); } details+="\n"; } return details+separator; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add appropriate error handling so that the program does not close when an invalid input is entered'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} JD - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Changes takes place in the Main void, in the fifth switch case - <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": Console.WriteLine("Enter in number of stages to advance, it must be under 20 digits"); string NumberOfStages = (Console.ReadLine()); //string used since it won't instantly crash the code when a "number" that's too long is input if (NumberOfStages.Length > 19 || !NumberOfStages.All(char.IsDigit)) //the max ulong (unsigned 64 bit) number is 1.8x10^19, a 20 digit number. we exlude 20 digit numbers since if someone typed a 20 digit number bigger than 1.8x10^19, the code would crash. we also check to see if every character in the string is a digit { Console.WriteLine("Number entered is too large, or you have entered in letters. going back to main menu"); break; } ulong NumberOfStagesULong = (ulong)Convert.ToInt64(NumberOfStages); //converting string to ulong, so it can be used later ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage((int)NumberOfStagesULong); // END OF CHANGE Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}"); break; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} IH - BCSF - Leicester this edits the main function between lines 9 and 74 <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> def Main(): SimulationParameters = [] ### # SimNo = input("Enter simulation number: ") while SimNo not in ["1", "2", "3", "4"]: SimNo = input("Enter simulation number: ") if SimNo == "1": SimulationParameters = [1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50] elif SimNo == "2": SimulationParameters = [1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100] elif SimNo == "3": SimulationParameters = [1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25] elif SimNo == "4": SimulationParameters = [2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25] ThisSimulation = Simulation(SimulationParameters) Choice = "" while Choice != "9": DisplayMenu() Choice = GetChoice() if Choice == "1": print(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()) elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 Row, Column = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)) elif Choice == "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1) print("Simulation moved on one stage\n") elif Choice == "5": NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") input() def DisplayMenu(): print() print("1. Display overall details") print("2. Display area details") print("3. Inspect cell") print("4. Advance one stage") print("5. Advance X stages") print("9. Quit") print() print("> ", end='') def GetChoice(): Choice = input("pick a number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9") while Choice not in ["1", "2", "3", "4", "5", "9"]: Choice = input("pick a number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9") return Choice # ### ==='''Make a fighter ant class that fights and defends their nest from other types of ants'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE static class FighterAnt extends Ant{ // I wanted everything in one class so some best practice may not be used. int health = 100; FighterAnt(int startRow, int startColumn, int nestInRow, int nestInColumn) { super(startRow, startColumn, nestInRow, nestInColumn); typeOfAnt = "fighter"; health = 100; } //ant 0 is this ant and ant 1 is the other ant and it is the winner of the fight. only one surviver // if healths out of 100 that could be the prob of hitting public int fightEachOther(int healthOfOtherAnt) { Random ranGen = new Random(); // you add 1 to each as the next int is exclusive with the last value. aka if 100 was input the output would be from 0-99 if(healthOfOtherAnt < health) { // this ant wins healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt(healthOfOtherAnt +1); health -= ranGen.nextInt((int) (health * 0.25 +1)); } else if(healthOfOtherAnt > health) { // other ant wins health -= ranGen.nextInt(health + 1); healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt((int) (healthOfOtherAnt * 0.25 +1)); } else { // luck, may the best win. healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt(healthOfOtherAnt +1); health -= ranGen.nextInt(health +1); } // if if statements in java are only 1 line long this works. no brakets needed if (health <= 0 && healthOfOtherAnt <= 0 ) return 2; // both ants died else if(health <= 0) return 1; // this ant lost else if(healthOfOtherAnt <= 0) return 0; // this ant won else return 99; // no ants died return 0; } // following pheromones to fight / protect food. @Override public void chooseCellToMoveTo(ArrayList<Integer> listOfNeighbours, int indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone) { IntWrapper r, c; if (amountOfFoodCarried > 0) { if (row > nestRow) { row -= 1; } else if (row < nestRow) { row += 1; } if (column > nestColumn) { column -= 1; } else if (column < nestColumn) { column += 1; } } else if (indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone == -1) { int indexToUse = chooseRandomNeighbour(listOfNeighbours); r = new IntWrapper(row); c = new IntWrapper(column); changeCell(indexToUse, r, c); row = r.value; column = c.value; } else { int indexToUse = listOfNeighbours.indexOf(indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone); r = new IntWrapper(row); c = new IntWrapper(column); changeCell(indexToUse, r, c); row = r.value; column = c.value; } } public int getAntsHealth() { return health; } } //END OF CHANGE // this is at no means complete. please amend and add more functionality and add your name. This is a mock up. </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an option to read a file which can be used for the Simulation Parameters''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Test File}} <syntaxhighlight lang="Test File" line="1"> name > sim1file.txt Content: --start file-- 10 50 50 690 676 420 5000 5000 --end file-- </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> System.out.println("Select (S)imulation or load a (F)ile: "); String enterOption = scanner.nextLine(); enterOption.toUpperCase(); if(enterOption.contentEquals("F")) { System.out.println("Enter File name with extention (.txt): "); String file = scanner.nextLine(); /** * file should be: * value1 * value2 * value3 * ... */ simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(); BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new FileReader(file)); String line; while ((line = br.readLine()) != null){ simulationParameters.add(Integer.parseInt(line)); } } else { System.out.print("Enter simulation number: "); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Edit the Simulation class to add the same amount of food to the food cells as is added to each nest === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> Simulation(ArrayList<Integer> simulationParameters) { ... addFoodToCell(row, column, startingFoodInNest); ... </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''After a set of simulation parameters has been selected, display the simulation values''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> String output; output = "startingNumberOfNests is " + simulationParameters.get(0) +"\n"; output += "numberOfRows is " + simulationParameters.get(1) +"\n"; output += "numberOfColumns is " + simulationParameters.get(2) +"\n"; output += "startingFoodInNest is " + simulationParameters.get(3) +"\n"; output += "startingNumberOfFoodCells is " + simulationParameters.get(4) +"\n"; output += "startingAntsInNest is " + simulationParameters.get(5) +"\n"; output += "newPheromoneStrength is " + simulationParameters.get(6) +"\n"; output += "pheromoneDeca is " + simulationParameters.get(7); System.out.println(output); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Prevent food from spawning within one cell of a nest ''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> for (Nest n : nests) { int x = n.getRow(); int y = n.getColumn(); int xdiff = Math.abs(x) - Math.abs(row); int ydiff = Math.abs(x) - Math.abs(row); xdiff = Math.abs(xdiff); ydiff = Math.abs(ydiff); if(xdiff == 1 || ydiff == 1 || (n.getRow() == row && n.getColumn() == column)) { allowed = false; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Bill Robinson<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> # At the end of Simulation.__init__() for N in self._Nests: if abs(N.GetRow() - Row) < 2 and abs(N.GetColumn() - Column) < 2: Allowed = False self.AddFoodToCell(Row, Column, 500) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Swaps values in "Display area details" when the first cell entered is larger than the second one. [13]''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} Charlotte of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> In the "getAreaDetails()" method: if(startRow>endRow) { int temp = startRow; startRow = endRow; endRow = temp; temp= startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } if(startRow == endRow) { if(startColumn>endColumn) { int temp = startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> //This is a better presented and commented version of the code above from charlotte i did work on this myself but realsied their method was better so i used hers and added comments. While calling me a idiot. if(startRow > endRow) { int temp = startRow; //flip it so the start row is smaller startRow = endRow; endRow = temp; temp = startColumn; // fliping collum so the area slected is the same startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } if(startRow == endRow) { // if the rows equal and start colum is bigger then end coloum // then you must flip the coloums to get the right area selected if(startColumn > endColumn) { int temp = startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Bill Robinson <syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> # addition of first 4 lines below to choice 2 in Main(): if StartRow > EndRow: StartRow, EndRow = EndRow, StartRow if StartColumn > EndColumn: StartColumn, EndColumn = EndColumn, StartColumn print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} anmoo3gzbiesj6m7jzbzaitfe81u82b 4639476 4639456 2026-06-09T11:38:22Z EigenToby 3554252 /* Section C Predictions */ A few questions that seem possible. 4639476 wikitext text/x-wiki {{or}} '''Ant Simulation''' This is for the 2026 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams! ==Section C Mark distribution comparison== Mark distribution for this year: The 2026 paper 1 will contain '''five''' questions worth '''3, 5, 2, 2 and 1 mark(s) (12 total)'''. The 2025 paper contained 4 questions worth 2 marks each (8 total). The 2024 paper contained 3 questions worth 11 marks in total (3+2+6=11). The 2023 paper contained 6 questions worth 13 marks The 2022 paper contained 5 questions worth 17 marks. The 2021 paper contained 4 questions worth 13 marks. == Section C Predictions == '''Predictions:''' # Basically, Logically, technically, finally, # a) What is Encapsulation? b) What is a specific purpose of encapsulation being used in this program? # What is Inheritance? And give an example of polymorphism in the code? # Describe the 3 possibilities for what a worker ant can do in one stage. # Explain the difference between private and protected methods. Note: at least for the Python skeleton code, there is no exception handling. In past papers which have had exception handling in the code, there were 1 to 2 mark questions asked about it in this section. Should exception handling come up, it would have to be in section D. ==Section D Mark distribution comparison== Mark distribution for this year: * The 2026 paper 1 contains 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D Predictions == Current questions are speculation by contributors to this page == Simulation 1 == === '''When inspecting a cell, ensure that the cell reference they have entered is within the bounds of the simulation, asking them to input a cell again again if not'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 60: case "3": int Row = 0, Column = 0; <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE: loop until valid cell is entered do { GetCellReference(ref Row, ref Column); if (Row < 1 || Row > ThisSimulation.NumberOfRows || Column < 1 || Column > ThisSimulation.NumberOfColumns) { Console.WriteLine($"Invalid cell! Please enter a row between 1-{ThisSimulation.NumberOfRows} and a column between 1-{ThisSimulation.NumberOfColumns}."); } else { break; } } while (true); //END OF CHANGE //End of Change //Note Before: This requires some amending as non integer values such as strings can still cause errors :P (Non-Coombe Wood School Student) //Ok, it's been a week and it still hasn't been changed, it really needs to be fixed cause it still causes errors for non integer values :/ (Non-Coombe Wood School Student) Around line 130: //START OF CHANGE public int NumberOfRows, NumberOfColumns; protected int StartingFoodInNest, StartingNumberOfFoodCells, StartingNumberOfNests; //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //add Simulation parameter, which must be included as an argument whenever getCellReference is called static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column, Simulation thisSim) { System.out.println(); do { System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } while (row.value > thisSim.numberOfRows || row.value < 1); do { System.out.print("Enter column number: "); column.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } while (column.value > thisSim.numberOfColumns || column.value < 1); System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Salty Springs - credit to salty springs, hop off pls dont do trickss on itt :/ <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #part of the simulation class def CheckCellExists(self, Row, Column): if Row <= self._NumberOfRows and Row >= 1 and Column <= self._NumberOfColumns and Column >= 1: return True return False #in Main() elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 Row, Column = GetCellReference() #get specific cell *howls* while not ThisSimulation.CheckCellExists(Row,Column): print("Invalid cell") Row, Column = GetCellReference() #get specific cell </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered and ask the user to retry ''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon //START OF CHANGE "Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered" Console.WriteLine(); while (true) { Console.Write("Enter row number: "); string rowInput = Console.ReadLine(); if (string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(rowInput) || !int.TryParse(rowInput, out Row) || Row <= 0) { Console.WriteLine("Invalid row input. Please enter a valid positive number."); continue; } Console.Write("Enter column number: "); string colInput = Console.ReadLine(); if (string.IsNullOrWhiteSpace(colInput) || !int.TryParse(colInput, out Column) || Column <= 0) { Console.WriteLine("Invalid column input. Please enter a valid positive number."); continue; } // If both inputs are valid break; } Console.WriteLine(); } //END OF CHANGE "Add an error message when a blank grid space is entered" </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA"> static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column, int maxRow, int maxColumn) { System.out.println(); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); while (row.value < 0 || row.value > maxRow) { System.out.println(); System.out.println("That was invalid you little punk. Try Again."); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } System.out.print("Enter column number: "); column.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); while (column.value < 0 || column.value > maxColumn) { System.out.println(); System.out.println("That was invalid you little punk. Try Again."); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); row.value = Integer.parseInt(scanner.nextLine()); } System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School DM <syntaxhighlight lang="Java"> //line 101 static void getCellReference(IntWrapper row, IntWrapper column) { System.out.println(); System.out.print("Enter row number: "); String inputRow = scanner.nextLine(); while(inputRow == "" || inputRow == " ") { System.out.print("Invalid input, please try again\n"); inputRow = scanner.nextLine(); } row.value = Integer.parseInt(inputRow); System.out.print("Enter column number: "); String inputCol = scanner.nextLine(); while(inputCol == "" || inputCol == " ") { System.out.print("Invalid input. please try again\n"); inputCol = scanner.nextLine(); } column.value = Integer.parseInt(inputCol); System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - VC - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # replace GetCellReference() with this, around line 65, it adds a check to see if the selected spot is valid def GetCellReference(): print() while True: row_input = input("Enter row number: ").strip() if not row_input or not row_input.isdigit() or int(row_input) <= 0: print("Invalid row input. Please enter a valid positive number.") continue col_input = input("Enter column number: ").strip() if not col_input or not col_input.isdigit() or int(col_input) <= 0: print("Invalid column input. Please enter a valid positive number.") continue # If both inputs are valid Row = int(row_input) Column = int(col_input) break print() return Row, Column </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Fix the error that occurs when trying to inspect a cell not in the range of the grid''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> public string GetCellDetails(int Row, int Column) { //START OF CHANGE if (Row < 1 || Row > NumberOfRows || Column < 1 || Column > NumberOfColumns) { return $"Cell ({Row}, {Column}) is out of range."; } // END OF CHANGE Add this to the start of the GetCellDetails </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # replace GetCellDetails with this in the simulation class (around line 220), it adds a try/except for if the index is out of range def GetCellDetails(self, Row, Column): try: CurrentCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] Details = CurrentCell.GetDetails() N = self.GetNestInCell(CurrentCell) if N is not None: Details += f"Nest present ({N.GetFoodLevel()} food)" + "\n\n" if self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "ANTS\n" for A in self._Ants: if A.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += A.GetDetails() + "\n" Details += "\n\n" if self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "PHEROMONES\n" for P in self._Pheromones: if P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += f"Ant {P.GetBelongsTo()} with strength of {P.GetStrength()}" + "\n\n" Details += "\n\n" return Details except: print("Cell was out of range\n") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} City of Norwich School This fixes the issue where an IndexError is thrown when inspecting a cell outside of the bounds of the map. One unique case this fix catches is inspecting a cell at position '''(0,0)'''. Row and column indexing starts at 1, so there should be no cell at (0, 0) and an IndexError should be thrown when trying to obtain it. However, this does not happen and cell details are still returned. When inspecting a cell, the cell's position is converted to a grid list index using the '''__GetIndex(self, Row, Column)''' method. Cell instances are stored in a 1D list (_Grid), so a cell's position has to be converted to its index within the grid list. Grid list indices are calculated using the formula: <math>(Row - 1) * NumberOfColumns + Column - 1 = GridListIndex</math> When the row is '''0''' and the column is '''0''', this equation evaluates to a '''negative''' value regardless of which simulation is used. For example, this evaluates to '''-6''' when using simulation 1 as it has a map with 5 rows and 5 columns. Negative indices are still valid in Python, but unlike positive indices, they go from right to left and indexing starts at -1. As a result, a cell instance is still obtained and an IndexError is not thrown. The following fix catches all erroneous cases except for empty strings, non-numeric characters and decimals. The fix begins at line 38 in the program in the Main() subroutine.<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> while Choice != "9": DisplayMenu() Choice = GetChoice() if Choice == "1": print(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()) elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 # Change start valid_cell = False while not valid_cell: Row, Column = GetCellReference() if (Row > 0 and Column > 0 and Row <= SimulationParameters[1] and Column <= SimulationParameters[2]): valid_cell = True else: print("Invalid cell position!") # Change end print(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)) elif Choice == "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1) print("Simulation moved on one stage\n") elif Choice == "5": NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Simulation 2 == === Fix the error of the cell still increasing pheromones after it is empty === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AL- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="c#" line="1"> public void AdvanceStage(int NumberOfStages) { for (int Count = 1; Count <= NumberOfStages; Count++) { List<Pheromone> PheromonesToDelete = new List<Pheromone>(); foreach (Pheromone P in Pheromones) { P.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); if (P.GetStrength() == 0) { PheromonesToDelete.Add(P); } } foreach (Pheromone P in PheromonesToDelete) { Pheromones.Remove(P); } foreach (Ant A in Ant) { A.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); Cell CurrentCell = Grid[GetIndex(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())]; if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0 && A.IsAtOwnNest()) { AddFoodToNest(A.GetFoodCarried(), A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()); A.UpdateFoodCarried(-A.GetFoodCarried()); } else if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0 && A.GetFoodCarried() == 0) { int FoodObtained; do { FoodObtained = RGen.Next(1, A.GetFoodCapacity() + 1); } while (FoodObtained > CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() || (A.GetFoodCarried() + FoodObtained) > A.GetFoodCapacity()); CurrentCell.UpdateFoodInCell(-FoodObtained); A.UpdateFoodCarried(FoodObtained); //start of change //removes pheromones from empty cells if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() == 0) { Pheromones.RemoveAll(P => P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell)); } //end of change } else { if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0) { UpdateAntsPheromoneInCell(A); } A.ChooseCellToMoveTo(GetIndicesOfNeighbours(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()), GetIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())); } } foreach (Nest N in Nests) { N.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); } } </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === When selecting the option 'Display area details', selecting an area by using a point further from the top-left than the second point results in nothing being displayed. Fix this error such that, when this is input, it displays the same result if the points were input in the other order === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DA- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="c#" line="1"> public string GetAreaDetails(int StartRow, int StartColumn, int EndRow, int EndColumn) { //start of changes if (StartRow > EndRow) { int temp = StartRow; StartRow = EndRow; EndRow = temp; } if (StartColumn > EndColumn) { int temp = StartColumn; StartColumn = EndColumn; EndColumn = temp; } //end of changes string Details = ""; for (int Row = StartRow; Row <= EndRow; Row++) { for (int Column = StartColumn; Column <= EndColumn; Column++) { Details += $"{Row}, {Column}: "; Cell TempCell = Grid[GetIndex(Row, Column)]; if (GetNestInCell(TempCell) != null) { Details += "| Nest | "; } int NumberOfAnts = GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell); if (NumberOfAnts > 0) { Details += $"| Ants: {NumberOfAnts} | "; } int NumberOfPheromones = GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell); if (NumberOfPheromones > 0) { Details += $"| Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} | "; } int AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood(); if (AmountOfFood > 0) { Details += $"| {AmountOfFood} food | "; } Details += Environment.NewLine; } } return Details; } </syntaxhighlight>{{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} LMW- Caistor Grammar School - Caistor <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() StartRow,EndRow=min(StartRow,EndRow),max(StartRow,EndRow) StartColumn,EndColumn=min(StartColumn,EndColumn),max(StartColumn,EndColumn) print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Fix the error where the game ends without a message when there are no more ants remaining === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} KO- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon public void AdvanceStage(int NumberOfStages) { for (int Count = 1; Count <= NumberOfStages; Count++) { List<Pheromone> PheromonesToDelete = new List<Pheromone>(); foreach (Pheromone P in Pheromones) { P.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); if (P.GetStrength() == 0) { PheromonesToDelete.Add(P); } } foreach (Pheromone P in PheromonesToDelete) { Pheromones.Remove(P); } foreach (Ant A in Ants) { A.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); Cell CurrentCell = Grid[GetIndex(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())]; if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0 && A.IsAtOwnNest()) { AddFoodToNest(A.GetFoodCarried(), A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()); A.UpdateFoodCarried(-A.GetFoodCarried()); } else if (CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0 && A.GetFoodCarried() == 0) { int FoodObtained; do { FoodObtained = RGen.Next(1, A.GetFoodCapacity() + 1); } while (FoodObtained > CurrentCell.GetAmountOfFood() || (A.GetFoodCarried() + FoodObtained) > A.GetFoodCapacity()); CurrentCell.UpdateFoodInCell(-FoodObtained); A.UpdateFoodCarried(FoodObtained); } else { if (A.GetFoodCarried() > 0) { UpdateAntsPheromoneInCell(A); } A.ChooseCellToMoveTo(GetIndicesOfNeighbours(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn()), GetIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(A.GetRow(), A.GetColumn())); } } foreach (Nest N in Nests) { N.AdvanceStage(Nests, Ants, Pheromones); } // start of change if (Ants.Count == 0) { Console.WriteLine("game over"); Console.ReadKey(); Environment.Exit(0); } // end of change } } {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County Sixth # At the end of the simulation.advancestage() method if len(self._Ants) == 0: print("Simulation is ending at",self._Stage," because no more Ants remain") self.Running = False break {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Limit skippable stages so the user can't skip straight to when the ants die (adds more playability) === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AS- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Simulation ThisSimulation = new Simulation(SimulationParameters); string Choice; Do Case 5 replace the code with this code: case "5": //start of change Console.Write("Enter number of stages to advance by (max 5): "); int NumberOfStages = Convert.ToInt32(Console.ReadLine()); if (NumberOfStages > 5) { Console.WriteLine("You can't advance more then 5 stages"); NumberOfStages = 5; } else if (NumberOfStages < 1) { Console.WriteLine("You have to atleast advance 1 stage."); NumberOfStages = 1; } ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}");//end of change break; {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13C - NC - Guildford County School<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> #import copy module import copy #start of change elif Choice == "5": backupsimulation=copy.deepcopy(ThisSimulation) print(backupsimulation.GetDetails()) NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) if ThisSimulation._Ants==[]: print('you have advanced too many stages (all ants dead)') ThisSimulation=backupsimulation print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") #end of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == Simulation 3 == == Simulation 4 == === '''Prevent nests from culling ants from other nests''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} NG - Lancaster Royal Grammar School - Lancaster <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> ## START OF CHANGE ~line 421 def AdvanceStage(self, Nests, Ants, Pheromones): if Ants is None: return AntsToCull = 0 Count = 0 for A in Ants: if self.IsAntInNest(A): if A.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": Count += 10 else: Count += 2 self.ChangeFood(-int(Count)) NestAnts = [A for A in Ants if self.IsAntInNest(A)] if self._FoodLevel == 0 and len(NestAnts) > 0: AntsToCull += 1 if self._FoodLevel < len(NestAnts): AntsToCull += 1 if self._FoodLevel < len(NestAnts) * 5: AntsToCull += 1 if AntsToCull > len(NestAnts): AntsToCull = len(NestAnts) random.shuffle(Ants) Pos = 0 while AntsToCull > 0 and len(Ants) > Pos: if self.IsAntInNest(Ants[Pos]): if Ants[Pos].GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": self._NumberOfQueens -= 1 Ants.pop(Pos) AntsToCull -= 1 else: Pos += 1 else: for A in range(1, self._NumberOfQueens + 1): RNo1 = random.randint(0, 99) if RNo1 < 50: RNo2 = random.randint(0, 99) if RNo2 < 2: Ants.append(QueenAnt(self._Row, self._Column, self._Row, self._Column)) else: Ants.append(WorkerAnt(self._Row, self._Column, self._Row, self._Column)) return Nests, Ants, Pheromones def IsAntInNest(self, Ant): return (Ant.GetNestRow() == self._Row and Ant.GetNestColumn() == self._Column) ## END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} == General Questions == === '''Have the program exit when the user decides to quit''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DO - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> Line 71 - After the get choice //start of change if (Choice == "9") { Environment.Exit(0); } Console.ReadLine(); //End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Line 45 - after the processing for the other inputs #start of change if Choice == "9": quit() #End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Fix the error in selecting the simulation when a value between 1 and 4 is <u>not</u> entered''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} RT - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> static void Main() { List<int> SimulationParameters = new List<int>(); Console.Write("Enter simulation number: "); string SimNo = Console.ReadLine(); switch (SimNo) { case "1": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50 }; break; case "2": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100 }; break; case "3": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25 }; break; case "4": SimulationParameters = new List<int> { 2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25 }; break; //start of change default: Console.WriteLine("Enter a number between 1-4"); Main(); break; } ; //End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} LT - Harington School<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1">public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception { ArrayList<Integer> simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(); while(simulationParameters.isEmpty()) { System.out.print("Enter simulation number: "); String simNo = scanner.nextLine(); switch (simNo) { case "1": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50)); break; case "2": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100)); break; case "3": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25)); break; case "4": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25)); break; default: System.out.println("\nInvalid Input!"); break; } System.out.println(); } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13C - ZH - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> def Main(): SimulationParameters = [] SimNo = input("Enter simulation number (1-4): ") while SimNo not in ["1","2","3","4"]: SimNo = input("Enter simulation number (1-4): ") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an option to create a new nest. This should be allowed to be done only once per simulation. You do <u>not</u> need to check whether there is a nest already at that location''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} Harington School - LC <syntaxhighlight lang="Java" line="1" start="1"> //Start around line 70 after case 5 //Create new local boolean variable nestCreated //Start of change case "6": if (nestCreated == true) { System.out.println("New nest already created, you can only create 1"); } else { IntWrapper nestRow = new IntWrapper(0), nestColumn = new IntWrapper(0); getCellReference(nestRow, nestColumn); thisSimulation.setUpANestAt(nestRow.value, nestColumn.value); nestCreated = true; } break; //End of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="Java" line="1" start="1"> //Start around line 70 after case 5 //Create new static boolean variable doneAddedNess set to false case "6": if(!doneAddedNess) { System.out.println("Adding a ness "); System.out.println("x: "); int x = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("y: "); int y = scanner.nextInt(); thisSimulation.setUpANestAt(x,y); doneAddedNess = true; } else { System.out.println("you have already added a nest this game silly."); } break; // in displayMenu System.out.println("6. Add a ness (once per game)"); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} JD - John Port Spencer Academy CHANGE ~ line 54 elif Choice == "6": if nestCreated != True: print("Add a nest") x = int(input("X coord: ")) y = int(input("Y coord: ")) ThisSimulation.SetUpANestAt(x, y) nestCreated = True else: print("Already added a nest") END CHANGE elif Choice == "9": quit() -------------------------- def DisplayMenu(): print() print("1. Display overall details") print("2. Display area details") print("3. Inspect cell") print("4. Advance one stage") print("5. Advance X stages") CHANGE FOR OPTION 6 ADDED print("6. Add a nest (1 per game)") ENDCHANGE {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an end to the simulation when there are 0 ants''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 60: <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //start of change // Add to end of Advance stage: if (Ants.Count == 0) { Console.WriteLine("All ants are dead. Game Over!"); Console.ReadKey(); Environment.Exit(0); } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Java}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> public void advanceStage(int numberOfStages) { boolean anyAntsLeft = false; for (int count = 1; count <= numberOfStages; count++) { anyAntsLeft = false; ArrayList<Pheromone> pheromonesToDelete = new ArrayList<Pheromone>(); for (Pheromone p : pheromones) { p.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); if (p.getStrength() == 0) { pheromonesToDelete.add(p); } } for (Pheromone p : pheromonesToDelete) { pheromones.remove(p); } for (Ant a : ants) { a.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); anyAntsLeft = true; Cell currentCell = grid.get(getIndex(a.getRow(), a.getColumn())); if ((a.getFoodCarried() > 0) && a.isAtOwnNest()) { addFoodToNest(a.getFoodCarried(), a.getRow(), a.getColumn()); a.updateFoodCarried(-a.getFoodCarried()); } else if ((currentCell.getAmountOfFood() > 0) && (a.getFoodCarried() == 0) && (a.getFoodCapacity() > 0)) { int foodObtained; do { foodObtained = rGen.nextInt(a.getFoodCapacity()) + 1; } while (!(foodObtained <= currentCell.getAmountOfFood() && (a.getFoodCarried() + foodObtained) <= a.getFoodCapacity())); currentCell.updateFoodInCell(-foodObtained); a.updateFoodCarried(foodObtained); } else { if (a.getFoodCarried() > 0) { updateAntsPheromoneInCell(a); } a.chooseCellToMoveTo(getIndicesOfNeighbours(a.getRow(), a.getColumn()), getIndexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone(a.getRow(), a.getColumn())); } } for (Nest n : nests) { n.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); } } if(!anyAntsLeft) { System.out.println("No ants detected ending sim"); System.exit(0); // i know this is a bad habit. But i dont know other ways of stopping it easily without changing code in diffrent areas... laziness wins. } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JS - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # Around line 20, just before DisplayMenu() and just after Choice = "" # start of change if len(ThisSimulation._Ants) == 0: print("No more ants, you lost!") quit() # End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} LMW - Caistor Grammar School - Caistor <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> def GetDetails(self): Details = "" for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): Details += f"{Row}, {Column}: " TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: Details += "| Nest | " NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: Details += f"| Ants: {NumberOfAnts} | " # Edit Begins Here elif NumberOfAnts == 0: print("No Ants Remaining - Simulation over") quit() # Edit Ends Here NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: Details += f"| Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} | " AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: Details += f"| {AmountOfFood} food | " Details += "\n" return Details </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''If the Queen is dead the simulation will end''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} AL- Coombe Wood School - South Croydon public override void AdvanceStage(List<Nest> Nests, List<Ant> Ants, List<Pheromone> Pheromones) { if (Ants == null) { return; } int AntsToCull = 0; int Count = 0; foreach (Ant A in Ants) { if (A.GetNestRow() == Row && A.GetNestColumn() == Column) { if (A.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen") { Count += 10; } else { Count += 2; } } //start of change if (NumberOfQueens < 1) { Console.WriteLine("The Queen has died, the simulation cannot continue"); System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(2000); Environment.Exit(0); } // end of change } {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School public void advanceStage(int numberOfStages) { boolean queen = false; for (int count = 1; count <= numberOfStages; count++) { queen = false; for (Ant a : ants) { a.advanceStage(nests, ants, pheromones); if(a.getTypeOfAnt() == "queen") { queen = true;} } } if(!queen) { System.out.println("No queen detected ending sim"); System.exit(0); // i know this is a bad habit. But i dont know other ways of stoping it easily without changing code in diffrent areas. } } // it looks like code is ending like and some if and for loops but I just removed the inside to shorten it but kepts some stuff so you can ruffly see where it should be. // this code lookes terible becuse i cant figgure out how to present it well in the edditer please feel free to make it look better. I tried my best. {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County Sixth # At the end of Simulaton.AdvanceStage() queen = False for i in self._Ants: if i.GetTypeOfAnt() == "queen": queen = True if not queen: print("Simulation is ending at",self._Stage," because no more queen ants remain") self.Running = False break {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an explanation of each simulation before the user is prompted to input the simulation number''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} KW - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon // START OF CHANGE - below the FIRST SimNo SWITCH switch (SimNo) { case "1": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 1, a 5x5 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 50"); break; case "2": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 2, a 5x5 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 100"); break; case "3": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 3, a 10x10 grid with one nest and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 25"); break; case "4": Console.WriteLine("This is simulation 4, a 10x10 grid with two nests and three food sources when started. Pheromone strength: 1000 with decay 25"); break; } // END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE static void displaySims() { // yes i just copy and pasted the values from the Preliminary Material System.out.println("1. Simulation 1 is a 5×5 grid with one nest. Five ants belong to that nest (one queen and four\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation the nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is\r\n" + "50 per stage"); System.out.println("2. Simulation 2 is the same as simulation 1 except the pheromone decay rate is 100 per stage"); System.out.println("3. Simulation 3 is a 10×10 grid with one nest. Nine ants belong to that nest (one queen and eight\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation the nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is\r\n" + "25 per stage"); System.out.println("4. Simulation 4 is a 10×10 grid with two nests. Six ants belong to each nest (one queen and five\r\n" + "workers). At the start of the simulation each nest has 500 food units in it. There are three sources\r\n" + "of food in the grid. It is possible that some of the food sources could be in the same cell as each\r\n" + "other. The strength of a new pheromone is 1000 and the pheromone decay rate is 25 per stage"); System.out.println("5. custom sim (added by king olie)"); } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JK - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Add this function anywhere in the program #start of change def printSimDetails(params): print() print("This Simulation has:") print(" - " + str(params[0]) + " nests") print(" - a " + str(params[1]) + "x" + str(params[2]) + " grid") print(" - " + str(params[3]) + " starting food in the nests") print(" - " + str(params[4]) + " cells with food to start with") print(" - " + str(params[5]) + " ants in each nest") print(" - " + str(params[6]) + " strength for new pheremones") print(" - " + str(params[7]) + " pheremone decay") print() #End of Change #put this just after the elifs to check simulation parameters (around line 20) #start of change printSimDetails(SimulationParameters) #end of change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} ==='''Add a custom simulation. The user should be able to enter their own values for the simulation parameters'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": // new sim System.out.println("Please enter the values for the following: "); System.out.println("Starting number of nests: "); int startNumberOfNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Number of Rows"); int numberOfRows = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Number of columns: "); int numberOfColums = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting Food In Nest: "); int startingFoodInNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting number of food cells: "); int startingNumberOfFoodCells = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("Starting ants in nest: "); int startingAntsInNests = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("New pheromone strength: "); int newPheromoneStrength = scanner.nextInt(); System.out.println("New pheromone Decay: "); int newPheromoneDecay = scanner.nextInt(); simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(startNumberOfNests, numberOfRows, numberOfColums, startingFoodInNests, startingNumberOfFoodCells, startingAntsInNests, newPheromoneStrength, newPheromoneDecay)); break; //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13A - RH - Aylesbury Grammar School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> # Line 20 # CHANGE elif SimNo == "5": print("Please enter the following values") startNumberOfNests = input("Starting number of nests: ") numberOfRows = input("Number of rows: ") numberOfColumns = input("Number of columns: ") startingFoodInNests = input("Starting Food In Nest: ") startingNumberOfFoodCells = input("Starting number of food cells: ") startingAntsInNests = input("Starting ants in nest: ") newPheromoneStrength = input("New pheromone strength: ") newPheromoneDecay = input("New pheromone Decay: ") SimulationParameters = [ startNumberOfNests, numberOfRows, numberOfColumns, startingFoodInNests, startingNumberOfFoodCells, startingAntsInNests, newPheromoneStrength, newPheromoneDecay ] # END CHANGEsam </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add a simulation number 5 with its own parameters''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Around line 36 <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": SimulationParameters = new List<int> {3, 15,15,500 , 3, 4, 1000, 25}; break; //END OF CHANGE //YOU CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE LIST TO MAKE YOUR OWN SIMULATION </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School Line ~82 <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(Arrays.asList(300, 105,105,5000 , 30, 40, 1000000, 2500)); break; //END OF CHANGE //YOU CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE LIST TO MAKE YOUR OWN SIMULATION </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} 13D - JT - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="Python" line="1" start="1"> #Around line 19, after the elif for SimNo 4 #start of change elif SimNo == "5": SimulationParameters = [3, 20, 20, 1000, 6, 12, 2000, 50] #End of Change </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Make the grid be displayed as an actual grid '''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} DA - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //You need to add all 3 parts for it to work add the red bits only, the black is just to see where //Around line 67 DisplayMenu(); Choice = GetChoice(); switch (Choice) { case "1": Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()); break; case "2": int StartRow = 0, StartColumn = 0, EndRow = 0, EndColumn = 0; GetCellReference(ref StartRow, ref StartColumn); GetCellReference(ref EndRow, ref EndColumn); Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)); break; case "3": int Row = 0, Column = 0; GetCellReference(ref Row, ref Column); Console.WriteLine(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)); break; case "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on one stage{Environment.NewLine}"); break; case "5": Console.Write("Enter number of stages to advance by: "); int NumberOfStages = Convert.ToInt32(Console.ReadLine()); ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages); Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}"); break; //start of change case "7"; ThisSimulation.DisplayGrid(); Break; //end of change //Around line 125 static void DisplayMenu() { Console.WriteLine(); Console.WriteLine("1. Display overall details"); Console.WriteLine("2. Display area details"); Console.WriteLine("3. Inspect cell"); Console.WriteLine("4. Advance one stage"); Console.WriteLine("5. Advance X stages"); //start of change Console.WriteLine("7. Display grid view"); //end of change Console.WriteLine("9. Quit"); Console.WriteLine(); Console.Write("> "); } //After the getdetails string ends, put this outside the brackets public void DisplayGrid() { for (int row = 1; row <= NumberOfRows; row++) { for (int col = 1; col <= NumberOfColumns; col++) { Cell currentCell = Grid[GetIndex(row, col)]; string cellDisplay = "["; bool hasContent = false; if (GetNestInCell(currentCell) != null) { cellDisplay += "N"; hasContent = true; } if (GetNumberOfAntsInCell(currentCell) > 0) { cellDisplay += "A"; hasContent = true; } if (currentCell.GetAmountOfFood() > 0) { cellDisplay += "F"; hasContent = true; } if (GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(currentCell) > 0) { cellDisplay += "P"; hasContent = true; } if (!hasContent) { cellDisplay += " "; } cellDisplay += "]"; Console.Write(cellDisplay + " "); } Console.WriteLine(); } } //END OF CHANGE </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King olie of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> public String getDetails() { // use format tools String addes = "| %-35s "; String layout = ""; String layerRowAdds = "-"; String layerRow = ""; String output = ""; String[] details = new String[numberOfColumns]; for (int i = 0; i < numberOfColumns; i++) { layout += addes; details[i] = ""; } for (int i = 0; i < (38 * numberOfColumns); i++) { layerRow += layerRowAdds; } layout += "|"; boolean didSomethink = false; for (int row = 1; row <= numberOfRows; row++) { for (int column = 1; column <= numberOfColumns; column++) { Cell tempCell = grid.get(getIndex(row, column)); if (getNestInCell(tempCell) != null) { details[column-1] += "Nest; "; didSomethink = true; } int numberOfAnts = getNumberOfAntsInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfAnts > 0) { details[column-1] += "Ants: " + numberOfAnts + "; "; didSomethink = true; } int numberOfPheromones = getNumberOfPheromonesInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfPheromones > 0) { details[column-1] += "Pheromones: " + numberOfPheromones + "; "; didSomethink = true; } int amountOfFood = tempCell.getAmountOfFood(); if (amountOfFood > 0) { details[column-1] += amountOfFood + " food; "; didSomethink = true; } if(!didSomethink) { details[column-1] = "BLANK"; } didSomethink = false; } output += layerRow + "\n"; output += String.format(layout, details) + "\n"; for (int i = 0; i < numberOfRows; i++) { details[i] = ""; } } output += layerRow + "\n"; return output; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python - only works for a 5 x 5..}}SB - John Port Spencer Academy def GetDetails(self): print("GetDetails from Simulation - code started") Details = "------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n" for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): row = "|" for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): count = 0 cell = "" TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: cell += "Nest" count += 1 NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" Ants: {NumberOfAnts}" else: cell += f"Ants: {NumberOfAnts}" count += 1 NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones}" else: cell += f"Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones}" count += 1 AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: if count >= 1: cell += f" {AmountOfFood} food" else: cell += f"{AmountOfFood} food" count += 1 if count == 0: cell += " " cell = cell.center(30) cell += "|" row += cell Details += row num = len(row) Details += f"\n{num*'-'}\n" return Details {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|Python}}RC <syntaxhighlight lang="python" def GetDetailsGrid(self): Details = [] for Row in range(1, self._NumberOfRows + 1): RowGrid = [] for Column in range(1, self._NumberOfColumns + 1): item = "" TempCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(Row, Column)] if self.GetNestInCell(TempCell) is not None: item += "Nest " NumberOfAnts = self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfAnts > 0: item += f"Ants: {NumberOfAnts} " NumberOfPheromones = self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(TempCell) if NumberOfPheromones > 0: item += f"Pheromones: {NumberOfPheromones} " AmountOfFood = TempCell.GetAmountOfFood() if AmountOfFood > 0: item += f"{AmountOfFood} food " RowGrid.append(item) Details.append(RowGrid) return Details def DisplayGrid(self): for i in self.GetDetailsGrid(): for j in i: print('|{:^32s}|'.format(j),end='') print("") print("") </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} AE - Guildford County School <syntaxhighlight lang="python3" line="1" start="1"> #method for the Simulation class def DisplayGrid(self): for row in range(0,self._NumberOfRows): Details = "" for column in range(self._NumberOfColumns): Details += "|" addSpace = True CurrentCell = self._Grid[self.__GetIndex(row, column)] N = self.GetNestInCell(CurrentCell) if N is not None: Details += f"Nest: ({N.GetFoodLevel()} food)" addSpace = False if self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "Ants: " + str(self.GetNumberOfAntsInCell(CurrentCell)) addSpace = False if self.GetNumberOfPheromonesInCell(CurrentCell) > 0: Details += "Pheromones:" for P in self._Pheromones: if P.InSameLocation(CurrentCell): Details += f"Ant {P.GetBelongsTo()}: strength = {P.GetStrength()}" addSpace = False if addSpace: Details += " " Details += "|" print(Details) print() </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}}{{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} Harington School - use of String.format() to evenly space the cell widths <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> public String getDetails() { String cellFormat = "%-11s|"; String separator = "-"; for(int i=0; i<numberOfColumns; i++) { separator += "------------"; } String details = ""; for (int row = 1; row <= numberOfRows; row++) { details += separator+"\n"; details+="|"; for (int column = 1; column <= numberOfColumns; column++) { Cell tempCell = grid.get(getIndex(row, column)); String cellDetails = ""; if (getNestInCell(tempCell) != null) { cellDetails += "N "; } int numberOfAnts = getNumberOfAntsInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfAnts > 0) { cellDetails += "A" + numberOfAnts + " "; } int numberOfPheromones = getNumberOfPheromonesInCell(tempCell); if (numberOfPheromones > 0) { cellDetails += "P" + numberOfPheromones + " "; } int amountOfFood = tempCell.getAmountOfFood(); if (amountOfFood > 0) { cellDetails += "F" + amountOfFood + " "; } details += String.format(cellFormat, cellDetails); } details+="\n"; } return details+separator; } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add appropriate error handling so that the program does not close when an invalid input is entered'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|C#}} JD - Coombe Wood School - South Croydon Changes takes place in the Main void, in the fifth switch case - <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE case "5": Console.WriteLine("Enter in number of stages to advance, it must be under 20 digits"); string NumberOfStages = (Console.ReadLine()); //string used since it won't instantly crash the code when a "number" that's too long is input if (NumberOfStages.Length > 19 || !NumberOfStages.All(char.IsDigit)) //the max ulong (unsigned 64 bit) number is 1.8x10^19, a 20 digit number. we exlude 20 digit numbers since if someone typed a 20 digit number bigger than 1.8x10^19, the code would crash. we also check to see if every character in the string is a digit { Console.WriteLine("Number entered is too large, or you have entered in letters. going back to main menu"); break; } ulong NumberOfStagesULong = (ulong)Convert.ToInt64(NumberOfStages); //converting string to ulong, so it can be used later ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage((int)NumberOfStagesULong); // END OF CHANGE Console.WriteLine($"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages{Environment.NewLine}"); break; </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} IH - BCSF - Leicester this edits the main function between lines 9 and 74 <syntaxhighlight lang="C#" line="1" start="1"> def Main(): SimulationParameters = [] ### # SimNo = input("Enter simulation number: ") while SimNo not in ["1", "2", "3", "4"]: SimNo = input("Enter simulation number: ") if SimNo == "1": SimulationParameters = [1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 50] elif SimNo == "2": SimulationParameters = [1, 5, 5, 500, 3, 5, 1000, 100] elif SimNo == "3": SimulationParameters = [1, 10, 10, 500, 3, 9, 1000, 25] elif SimNo == "4": SimulationParameters = [2, 10, 10, 500, 3, 6, 1000, 25] ThisSimulation = Simulation(SimulationParameters) Choice = "" while Choice != "9": DisplayMenu() Choice = GetChoice() if Choice == "1": print(ThisSimulation.GetDetails()) elif Choice == "2": StartRow = 0 StartColumn = 0 EndRow = 0 EndColumn = 0 StartRow, StartColumn = GetCellReference() EndRow, EndColumn = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) elif Choice == "3": Row = 0 Column = 0 Row, Column = GetCellReference() print(ThisSimulation.GetCellDetails(Row, Column)) elif Choice == "4": ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(1) print("Simulation moved on one stage\n") elif Choice == "5": NumberOfStages = int(input("Enter number of stages to advance by: ")) ThisSimulation.AdvanceStage(NumberOfStages) print(f"Simulation moved on {NumberOfStages} stages" + "\n") input() def DisplayMenu(): print() print("1. Display overall details") print("2. Display area details") print("3. Inspect cell") print("4. Advance one stage") print("5. Advance X stages") print("9. Quit") print() print("> ", end='') def GetChoice(): Choice = input("pick a number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9") while Choice not in ["1", "2", "3", "4", "5", "9"]: Choice = input("pick a number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9") return Choice # ### ==='''Make a fighter ant class that fights and defends their nest from other types of ants'''=== {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington School <syntaxhighlight lang="JAVA" line="1" start="1"> //START OF CHANGE static class FighterAnt extends Ant{ // I wanted everything in one class so some best practice may not be used. int health = 100; FighterAnt(int startRow, int startColumn, int nestInRow, int nestInColumn) { super(startRow, startColumn, nestInRow, nestInColumn); typeOfAnt = "fighter"; health = 100; } //ant 0 is this ant and ant 1 is the other ant and it is the winner of the fight. only one surviver // if healths out of 100 that could be the prob of hitting public int fightEachOther(int healthOfOtherAnt) { Random ranGen = new Random(); // you add 1 to each as the next int is exclusive with the last value. aka if 100 was input the output would be from 0-99 if(healthOfOtherAnt < health) { // this ant wins healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt(healthOfOtherAnt +1); health -= ranGen.nextInt((int) (health * 0.25 +1)); } else if(healthOfOtherAnt > health) { // other ant wins health -= ranGen.nextInt(health + 1); healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt((int) (healthOfOtherAnt * 0.25 +1)); } else { // luck, may the best win. healthOfOtherAnt -= ranGen.nextInt(healthOfOtherAnt +1); health -= ranGen.nextInt(health +1); } // if if statements in java are only 1 line long this works. no brakets needed if (health <= 0 && healthOfOtherAnt <= 0 ) return 2; // both ants died else if(health <= 0) return 1; // this ant lost else if(healthOfOtherAnt <= 0) return 0; // this ant won else return 99; // no ants died return 0; } // following pheromones to fight / protect food. @Override public void chooseCellToMoveTo(ArrayList<Integer> listOfNeighbours, int indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone) { IntWrapper r, c; if (amountOfFoodCarried > 0) { if (row > nestRow) { row -= 1; } else if (row < nestRow) { row += 1; } if (column > nestColumn) { column -= 1; } else if (column < nestColumn) { column += 1; } } else if (indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone == -1) { int indexToUse = chooseRandomNeighbour(listOfNeighbours); r = new IntWrapper(row); c = new IntWrapper(column); changeCell(indexToUse, r, c); row = r.value; column = c.value; } else { int indexToUse = listOfNeighbours.indexOf(indexOfNeighbourWithStrongestPheromone); r = new IntWrapper(row); c = new IntWrapper(column); changeCell(indexToUse, r, c); row = r.value; column = c.value; } } public int getAntsHealth() { return health; } } //END OF CHANGE // this is at no means complete. please amend and add more functionality and add your name. This is a mock up. </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Add an option to read a file which can be used for the Simulation Parameters''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|Test File}} <syntaxhighlight lang="Test File" line="1"> name > sim1file.txt Content: --start file-- 10 50 50 690 676 420 5000 5000 --end file-- </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> System.out.println("Select (S)imulation or load a (F)ile: "); String enterOption = scanner.nextLine(); enterOption.toUpperCase(); if(enterOption.contentEquals("F")) { System.out.println("Enter File name with extention (.txt): "); String file = scanner.nextLine(); /** * file should be: * value1 * value2 * value3 * ... */ simulationParameters = new ArrayList<Integer>(); BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new FileReader(file)); String line; while ((line = br.readLine()) != null){ simulationParameters.add(Integer.parseInt(line)); } } else { System.out.print("Enter simulation number: "); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === Edit the Simulation class to add the same amount of food to the food cells as is added to each nest === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> Simulation(ArrayList<Integer> simulationParameters) { ... addFoodToCell(row, column, startingFoodInNest); ... </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''After a set of simulation parameters has been selected, display the simulation values''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> String output; output = "startingNumberOfNests is " + simulationParameters.get(0) +"\n"; output += "numberOfRows is " + simulationParameters.get(1) +"\n"; output += "numberOfColumns is " + simulationParameters.get(2) +"\n"; output += "startingFoodInNest is " + simulationParameters.get(3) +"\n"; output += "startingNumberOfFoodCells is " + simulationParameters.get(4) +"\n"; output += "startingAntsInNest is " + simulationParameters.get(5) +"\n"; output += "newPheromoneStrength is " + simulationParameters.get(6) +"\n"; output += "pheromoneDeca is " + simulationParameters.get(7); System.out.println(output); </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Prevent food from spawning within one cell of a nest ''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} king Olie of Harington<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> for (Nest n : nests) { int x = n.getRow(); int y = n.getColumn(); int xdiff = Math.abs(x) - Math.abs(row); int ydiff = Math.abs(x) - Math.abs(row); xdiff = Math.abs(xdiff); ydiff = Math.abs(ydiff); if(xdiff == 1 || ydiff == 1 || (n.getRow() == row && n.getColumn() == column)) { allowed = false; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Bill Robinson<syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> # At the end of Simulation.__init__() for N in self._Nests: if abs(N.GetRow() - Row) < 2 and abs(N.GetColumn() - Column) < 2: Allowed = False self.AddFoodToCell(Row, Column, 500) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} === '''Swaps values in "Display area details" when the first cell entered is larger than the second one. [13]''' === {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} Charlotte of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> In the "getAreaDetails()" method: if(startRow>endRow) { int temp = startRow; startRow = endRow; endRow = temp; temp= startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } if(startRow == endRow) { if(startColumn>endColumn) { int temp = startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|JAVA}} King Olie of Harington <syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1"> //This is a better presented and commented version of the code above from charlotte i did work on this myself but realsied their method was better so i used hers and added comments. While calling me a idiot. if(startRow > endRow) { int temp = startRow; //flip it so the start row is smaller startRow = endRow; endRow = temp; temp = startColumn; // fliping collum so the area slected is the same startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } if(startRow == endRow) { // if the rows equal and start colum is bigger then end coloum // then you must flip the coloums to get the right area selected if(startColumn > endColumn) { int temp = startColumn; startColumn = endColumn; endColumn = temp; } } </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} {{CPTAnswerTab|Python}} Bill Robinson <syntaxhighlight lang="python" line="1"> # addition of first 4 lines below to choice 2 in Main(): if StartRow > EndRow: StartRow, EndRow = EndRow, StartRow if StartColumn > EndColumn: StartColumn, EndColumn = EndColumn, StartColumn print(ThisSimulation.GetAreaDetails(StartRow, StartColumn, EndRow, EndColumn)) </syntaxhighlight> {{CPTAnswerTabEnd}} l5r536byezkgfpbv5gkpirhr0mn0i2y 3 483050 4639468 4635680 2026-06-09T09:35:29Z ~2026-29002-30 3586642 /* Artist name babywacko */ new section 4639468 wikitext text/x-wiki == I have added a tag to a page you created == Hi! 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[[User:PeterEasthope/sandbox|PeterEasthope/sandbox]] for example. What is the simplest solution?<br> Thanks, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterEasthope|contribs]]) 17:04, 18 April 2026 (UTC) : The unbulleted list relies on a module, and the plainlist relies on a TemplateStyles CSS page. What were you trying to test on your sandbox? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:47, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::Aiming to make a list without bullets. Whether it works by a module or a template or some other device is probably not a significant concern. Certainly a list is needed rather than empty space. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterEasthope|contribs]]) 21:29, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::: The plain list works; the thing is, I believe the span class tags might be conflicting with that plain list, possibly... [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, thanks. Removed some span tags to test. Lines without span tags are displayed. If you see a way to have a background color for a string within a list, please let me know. Otherwise I think of making the list with line breaks rather than a template.<br> ::::Thx, ... 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Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan (-'08), A4 Cabriolet (-'09), A6 (-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('09-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} 74lzem9y6coxnh5uxnd6fee4mjop15v 4639390 4639329 2026-06-08T18:05:38Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 5, Engine Type: */ 4639390 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi passenger car * WA1 - Audi SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('0) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT ('08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('0) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} gas4olzf6bxrgeaq5d5l8ow33c2jios 4639391 4639390 2026-06-08T18:11:54Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 5, Engine Type: */ 4639391 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi passenger car * WA1 - Audi SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('0) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT ('08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('0) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} l1b4byv8i1cxqesjnk8gqh5xfcr1q5k 4639392 4639391 2026-06-08T18:18:14Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 5, Engine Type: */ 4639392 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi passenger car * WA1 - Audi SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('0) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT ('08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('0) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} f6vperjbibm7ucld8d7jq6mhbm7cbi5 4639430 4639392 2026-06-08T19:43:58Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 5, Engine Type: */ 4639430 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi passenger car * WA1 - Audi SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('00-'06) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT 3.2 ('05-'06, '08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi TT 3.2 ('04-'05) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | T || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. High Output - 225 hp. <br> Audi TT ('01-'06) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('0) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} b2ghzo9uenl0fgq3fx6is3ncuvgxbvv 4639434 4639430 2026-06-08T20:58:35Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier: */ 4639434 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi passenger car * WA1 - Audi SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary (Audi Hungaria Motor Kft.) passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('00-'06) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT 3.2 ('05-'06, '08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi TT 3.2 ('04-'05) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | T || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. High Output - 225 hp. <br> Audi TT ('01-'06) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('0) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} co36pzukj99yd0acsuomydyvgf9zdzc 4639435 4639434 2026-06-08T20:59:25Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier: */ 4639435 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi (Audi AG) passenger car * WA1 - Audi (Audi AG) SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary (Audi Hungaria Motor Kft.) passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('00-'06) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT 3.2 ('05-'06, '08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi TT 3.2 ('04-'05) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | T || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. High Output - 225 hp. <br> Audi TT ('01-'06) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('0) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} ri61rnxunq8xg3k3sxblzomw4lg5j39 4639438 4639435 2026-06-08T22:08:31Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 5, Engine Type: */ 4639438 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi (Audi AG) passenger car * WA1 - Audi (Audi AG) SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary (Audi Hungaria Motor Kft.) passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | A || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A6 sedan ('98-'99), A6 Avant ('99) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('00-'06) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT 3.2 ('05-'06, '08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi TT 3.2 ('04-'05) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01), A6 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | S || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi TT ('00) |- | T || 1.8L || I4 Turbo Twin [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. High Output - 225 hp. Single Turbo, Twin Intercoolers. <br> Audi TT ('01-'06) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('02-'04) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | X || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi TT ('01-'02) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} etodt6t920jn6h76kexy8ns8gfnfa94 4639442 4639438 2026-06-08T23:42:19Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 9, Check Digit */ 4639442 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi (Audi AG) passenger car * WA1 - Audi (Audi AG) SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary (Audi Hungaria Motor Kft.) passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | A || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A6 sedan ('98-'99), A6 Avant ('99) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('00-'06) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT 3.2 ('05-'06, '08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi TT 3.2 ('04-'05) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01), A6 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | S || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi TT ('00) |- | T || 1.8L || I4 Turbo Twin [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. High Output - 225 hp. Single Turbo, Twin Intercoolers. <br> Audi TT ('01-'06) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('02-'04) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | X || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi TT ('01-'02) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. Prior to 2002 model year, a letter Z was used in the 9th position of the VIN in Europe. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} dwubvkcyxyar614tc7cpidebfqd6bfe 4639443 4639442 2026-06-08T23:42:42Z JustTheFacts33 3434282 /* Position 9, Check Digit */ 4639443 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Warning}}{{clear}} ===Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:=== * WAU - Audi (Audi AG) passenger car * WA1 - Audi (Audi AG) SUV * WUA - Audi passenger car - quattro GmbH/Audi Sport GmbH (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6, RS7, TT RS ['18-'22], R8,<br> S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], S4 25quattro Special Edition sedan ['06], S8 plus ['16-'18], Non-North American Mkt. RS Q3, Q7 V12 TDI) * WU1 - Audi SUV - Audi Sport GmbH (RS Q8) * TRU - Audi Hungary (Audi Hungaria Motor Kft.) passenger car (only used for TT/TTS & '12-'13 TT RS) * 3U5 - Audi Mexico SUV ===Position 5, Engine Type: === {| class="wikitable" |+Position 5 |- ! VIN !! Size !! Type !! Fuel !! Valvetrain !! Engine Family/Notes/Applications |- | A || 2.2L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi I5 engine. <br> Audi S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) |- | A || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A6 sedan ('98-'99), A6 Avant ('99) |- | B || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 ('97-'99) |- | C || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('00-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), TT ('00-'06) |- | D || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('98-'99) |- | D || 2.7L || 90° V6 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('00-'02), A6 ('00-'04), Allroad Quattro ('02-'05) |- | D || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'09), TT 3.2 ('05-'06, '08-'09) |- | E || 3.6L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi V8 Quattro ('90-'91) |- | E || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd ('08-') |- | F || 3.7L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | F || 3.2L || 15° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || MPI. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi TT 3.2 ('04-'05) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi A3 ('06-'11), A3 Quattro ('12-), A4 sedan (Mid '05-'16), A4 Avant (Mid '05-'12), Allroad ('13-'16), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A5 ('10-'), A6 ('12-), TT ('08-'), TTS ('09), Q5 ('11-) |- | F || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - PZEV.<br> Audi A3 Fwd (Early prod. '12) |- | G || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A8 ('97-'99) |- | G || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant (Mid '05-'06), A6 ('05-'06) |- | G || 3.0L || 90° V6 supercharged [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi S4 ('10-'16), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'15), S5 coupe ('13-'15), A6 ('09-'), A7 ('12-), A8 ('13-), Q5 ('13-), Q7 ('11-'15) |- | H || 2.8L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 ('00-'01), A6 ('00-'01) |- | H || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('06-'08), A4 Cabriolet ('07-'09), A6 ('06-'09) |- | J || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. VW EA189 engine.<br> Audi A3 TDI ('10-') |- | K || 3.2L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3197cc. <br> Audi A4 sedan ('09), A5 ('08-'10), A6 ('10-'11), Q5 ('09-'12) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi A6 ('00-'04), A8 ('00-'06) |- | L || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S4 sedan/Avant ('04-'08), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), A6 ('05-'06), Allroad Quattro ('04-'05) |- | M || 3.0L || 90° V6 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Diesel || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA897 engine. Audi A8 ('14-'15), Q7 ('09-'15) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi S6 ('07-'11), S8 ('07-'09) |- | N || 5.2L || 90° V10 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine.<br> Audi R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) |- | R || 6.0L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || MPI. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('05-'09) |- | S || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi TT ('00) |- | T || 1.8L || I4 Turbo Twin [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. High Output - 225 hp. Single Turbo, Twin Intercoolers. <br> Audi TT ('01-'06) |- | T || 3.0L || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 30 valve || MPI. Audi EA837 engine.<br> Audi A4 sedan/Avant ('02-Mid '05), A4 Cabriolet ('03-'06), A6 ('02-'04) |- | T || "3.2L" || 90° V6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA837 engine. 3.1L=3123cc.<br> Audi A6 ('05) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi S6 Avant ('02-'03), S8 ('01-'03) |- | U || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Dry sump lubrication. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi R8 ('08-'12, '14-'15) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 40 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc.<br> Audi RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) |- | V || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA824 engine. 4163cc.<br> Audi S5 coupe ('08-'12), A6 ('07-'11), A8 ('07-'12), Q7 ('07-'10) |- | W || 4.2L || 90° V8 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || MPI. Audi V8 engine. 4172cc. Audi V8 Quattro ('92-'94) |- | X || 1.8L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || MPI. Audi EA827/EA113 engine. <br> Audi TT ('01-'02) |- | Y || 3.6L || 10.6° VR6 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 24 valve || Direct injection. VW EA390 engine.<br> Audi Q7 ('07-'10) |- | 1 || 2.0L || I4 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 16 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA888 engine - ULEV.<br> Audi TTS ('10-') |- | 2 || 4.0L || V8 Twin Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 32 valve || Direct injection. Audi-Bentley EA824 engine. 3991cc. Audi A8 ('13-'15), S8 ('13-'15) |- | 3 || 2.5L || I5 Turbo [[w:Intercooler|IC]] || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 20 valve || Direct injection. Audi EA855 engine.<br> Audi TT RS ('12-'13) |- | 4 || 6.3L || 72° W12 || Gas || DOHC,<br /> 48 valve || Direct injection. VW W12 engine. Audi A8 ('12-') |- |} ===Position 6, Restraint Systems:=== *0 = Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts only *5 = Driver-side Airbag, Driver and Passenger Active (Manual) 3-point Seat Belts *8 = Driver and Passenger Front Airbags *3 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 TT, R8, '09 TTS) *4 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags (-'09 A4 Cabriolet/S4 Cabriolet, '08 RS4 Cabriolet) *7 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags (Except '08-'09 A8/S8) *9 = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('08-'09 A8/S8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10- A5/S5 Cabriolet, '10- TT/TTS, '12-'13 TT RS, '10- R8) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10-'11 A5/S5 Coupe, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *B = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags ('10- A3, '10- A4/S4, '10- A6/S6, '12- A7, '10- Q5, '10- Q7) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('12- A5/S5 Coupe) *A = Active (Manual) belts plus Driver and Passenger Front Advanced Airbags & Front and Rear Side Airbags & Sideguard Side Curtain Airbags & Front Knee Airbags ('10-' A8) ===Position 7-8, Model Line:=== 1981-2009: *8P = A3 ('06-'09) *81 = 4000 ('81-'87) *85 = Coupe ('81-'87), Quattro ('83-'85) *89 = 80/90 ('88-'89) *8A = 80 ('90-'92), 90 ('90-'91) *8C = 90 ('93-'95) *8B = Coupe Quattro ('90-'91) *8G = Cabriolet ('94-'98) *8D = A4 ('96-'01), S4 ('00-'02) *8E = A4 ('02-'08), S4 ('04-'08), RS4 ('07-'08) *8H = A4 Cabriolet ('03-'09), S4 Cabriolet ('04-'09), RS4 Cabriolet ('08) *8K = A4 ('09) *8T = A5 coupe ('08-'09), S5 coupe ('08-'09) *43 = 5000 ('81-'83) *44 = 5000 ('84-'88), 100/200 ('89-'91) *4A = 100/S4 ('92-'94), A6 sedan ('95-'97), A6 wagon ('95-'98), S6 ('95 & '96-'97 in Canada) *4B = A6 sedan ('98-'04), A6 Avant wagon ('99-'04), Allroad ('01-'05), S6 ('02-'03), RS6 (US: '03, Canada: '04) *4F = A6 ('05-'09), S6 ('07-'09) *44 = V8 Quattro ('90) *4A = V8 Quattro ('91-'94) *4D = A8 ('97-'03), S8 ('01-'03) *4E = A8 ('04-'09), S8 ('07-'09) *8N = TT ('00-'06) *8J = TT ('08-'09), TTS ('09) *42 = R8 ('08-'09) *8R = Q5 ('09) *4L = Q7 ('07-'09) 2010-: *FM (Type 8P) = A3 ('10-'13) *FF (Type 8V) = A3 ('15-'20), S3 ('15-'20), RS3 ('17-'20), A3 Sportback e-tron [PHEV] '16-'18 *GY (Type 8Y) = A3/S3/RS3 ('22-) *FL (Type 8K) = A4 ('10-'16), Allroad ('13-'16), S4 ('10-'16) *F4 (Type 8W) = A4 ('17-'25), A4 Allroad ('17-'25), S4 ('18-'25) *FR (Type 8T) = A5 Coupe ('10-'17), S5 Coupe ('10-'17), RS5 Coupe ('13-'15) *FH (Type 8F) = A5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), S5 Cabriolet ('10-'17), RS5 Cabriolet ('13-'15) *F5 = A5 ('18-'25), S5 ('18-'25), RS5 ('18-'19, '21-'25) [Coupe/Cabriolet: '18-'24, Sportback: '18-'25] *FU = A5/S5 ('25-) *FB (Type 4F) = A6 ('10-'11), S6 ('10-'11) *FC (Type 4G) = A6 ('12-'18), S6 ('13-'18) *FC (Type 4G) = A7 ('12-'18), S7 ('13-'18), RS7 ('14-'18) *F2 (Type 4A) = A6 ('19-'25), S6 ('20-'25), RS6 Avant ('21-'26), A6 Allroad ('20-'26) *F2 (Type 4K) = A7 ('19-'25), S7 ('20-'25), RS7 ('21-'26) *FN = A6 ('26-) *GH = A6 e-tron, S6 e-tron ('25-) *FA (Type 4E) = A8 ('10) *FD (Type 4H) = A8 ('11-'18), S8 ('13-'16), S8 plus ('16-'18) *F8 (Type 4N) = A8 ('19-'26), S8 ('20-'26) *FW (Type F8) = e-tron GT ('22-'24), RS e-tron GT ('22-'24), S e-tron GT ('25-), RS e-tron GT performance ('25-) *FK (Type 8J) = TT ('10-'15), TTS ('10-'15), TT RS ('12-'13) *FV (Type FV or 8S) = TT ('16-'23), TTS ('16-'23), TT RS ('18-'22) *FG (Type 42) = R8 ('10-'12, '14-'15) *FX (Type 4S) = R8 ('17-'18, '20-'23) *FS (Type 8U) = Q3 ('15-'18) *F3 = Q3 ('19-'25) *FJ = Q3 ('26-) *FZ (Type F4) = Q4 e-tron, Q4 e-tron Sportback ('22-) *FP (Type 8R) = Q5 ('10-'17), SQ5 ('14-'17) *FY = Q5 ('18-'25), SQ5 ('18-'25), Q5 Sportback ('21-'25), SQ5 Sportback ('21-'25) *GU = Q5 ('25-'26), SQ5 ('25-'26), Q5 Sportback ('25-'26), SQ5 Sportback ('25-'26) *GF = Q6 e-tron, SQ6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron Sportback, SQ6 e-tron Sportback ('25-) *FE (Type 4L) = Q7 ('10-'15) *F7 (Type 4M) = Q7 ('17-), SQ7 ('20-) *F1 (Type 4M) = Q8 ('19-), SQ8 ('20-), RS Q8 ('20-) *GE = e-tron ('19, '21-'23), e-tron S ('22-'23), e-tron Sportback ('20-'23), e-tron S Sportback ('22-'23),<br> Q8 e-tron ('24), SQ8 e-tron ('24), Q8 e-tron Sportback ('24), SQ8 e-tron Sportback ('24) ===Position 9, Check Digit=== [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Check digit |Check digit]] Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was always used in US & Canada. In Europe, Check Digit in 9th position of VIN was adopted for 2002 model year. Prior to the 2002 model year, a letter Z was used in the 9th position of the VIN in Europe. ===Position 10, Model Year: === [[Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Model year|Model year]] ===Position 11, Production Plant:=== * A: Ingolstadt, Germany * B: Brussels, Belgium * D: Bratislava, Slovakia * E: Emden, Germany * K: Rheine, Germany (Karmann plant: Cabriolet ['98], A4 Cabriolet ['03-'09], S4 Cabriolet ['04-'09], RS4 Cabriolet ['08] * N: Neckarsulm, Germany * P: Zwickau, Germany * R: Martorell, Spain * 1: Gyor, Hungary * 2: San Jose Chiapa, Puebla state, Mexico * 7: Heilbronn, Germany Other plant codes for non-North American models: * G: Graz, Austria (Steyr-Daimler-Puch plant: V8L) * U: Uitenhage, South Africa * X: Poznan, Poland * Z: Zuffenhausen, Germany (Porsche plant: RS2 Avant) * 3: Changchun, China (FAW-VW plant) * 4: Sao Jose dos Pinhais, Parana state, Brazil (Curitiba plant) * 9: Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Volkswagen Sarajevo d.o.o. plant) '''Positions 12–17, Serial Number''' {{BookCat}} 84t08sv3gqirthjrf5t9ns49hg006cz 3 483827 4639325 2026-06-08T13:07:57Z MathXplore 3097823 Warning user with {{Test1}} 4639325 wikitext text/x-wiki == June 2026 == {{tmbox|type=notice|text='''Please, can you [[Using Wikibooks|help]] improve [[WB:WIW|Wikibooks]]''' by [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-33939-63|doing future experiments]] with the [[Help:Contents|wiki software]] in the [{{fullurl:Wikibooks:Sandbox|action=edit}} sandbox] instead? 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You can ask questions or ask for help in the [[WB:HELP|Assistance Reading Room]].<br /> Thanks. }} [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 13:08, 8 June 2026 (UTC) 1fied1btdmh9dftcj9pls93oxb7w88n 0 483829 4639363 2026-06-08T17:38:09Z Sascha Lill 95 3167325 Copied sitemap to a second page, so Lua modules work again 4639363 wikitext text/x-wiki == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Real Analysis|Real Analysis]] == This page lists all chapters of the project “Math for Non-Geeks”. This page serves as an overview and the complete navigation and the tables of contents of the individual books are generated from it. {| class="wikitable" |+Legend !Symbol !Meaning |- |red link |Link to a chapter that does not yet exist and has yet to be written. |- |blue link |Chapter has already been created and contains content. |- |{{stage|0%}} |Progress 0% – Chapter has little or no content. 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and Cauchy sequences === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subsequences|Subsequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Accumulation points of sequences|Accumulation points of sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Accumulation points of sets|Accumulation points of sets]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/The Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem|The Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Divergence to infinity|Divergence to infinity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Divergence to infinity/Rules|Divergence to infinity: Rules]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Superior and inferior limit|Superior and inferior limit]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cauchy sequences|Cauchy sequences]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Subsequences, Accumulation points, and Cauchy sequences|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Series === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Series|Series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Computation rules for series|Computation rules for series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Telescoping sums and series|Telescoping sums and series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Geometric series|Geometric series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Harmonic series|Harmonic series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exponential series|Exponential series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Absolute convergence of a series|Absolute convergence of a series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Rearrangement theorem for series|Rearrangement theorem for series]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Series|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Convergence criteria for series === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Overview: Convergence criteria|Overview: Convergence criteria]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Cauchy criterion|Cauchy criterion]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Term test|Term test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Bounded series and convergence|Bounded series and convergence]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Direct comparison test|Direct comparison test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Root test|Root test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Ratio test|Ratio test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Alternating series test|Alternating series test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Cauchy condensation test|Cauchy condensation test]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Application of convergence criteria|Application of convergence criteria]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Convergence criteria for series|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Exponential and Logarithm functions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivation and definition of the exponential series|Derivation and definition of the exponential series]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Properties of the exponential series|Properties of the exponential series]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Logarithmic function|Logarithmic function]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Real exponents|Real exponents]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exp and log functions for complex numbers|Exp and log functions for complex numbers]] {{stage|0%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Exponential and Logarithm functions|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Trigonometric and Hyperbolic functions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Sine and cosine|Sine and cosine]] {{stage|50%}} === Continuity === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Continuity of functions|Continuity of functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Epsilon-delta definition of continuity|Epsilon-delta definition of continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Sequential definition of continuity|Sequential definition of continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Limit of functions|Limit of functions]] {{stage|25%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Proving continuity|Proving continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Proving discontinuity|Proving discontinuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Composition of continuous functions|Composition of continuous functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Extreme value theorem|Extreme value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Intermediate value theorem|Intermediate value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Continuity of the inverse function|Continuity of the inverse function]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Uniform continuity|Uniform continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Lipschitz continuity|Lipschitz continuity]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Continuity|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Differential Calculus === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivatives|Derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Computing derivatives|Computing derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Computing derivatives - special|Computing derivatives - special]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivative - inverse function|Derivative - inverse function]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Examples for derivatives|Examples for derivatives]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivatives of higher order|Derivatives of higher order]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Rolle's theorem|Rolle's theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Mean value theorem|Mean value theorem]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Constant functions|Constant functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Monotonic functions|Monotonic functions]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Derivative and local extrema|Derivative and local extrema]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ L'Hôspital's rule|L'Hôspital's rule]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Overview: continuity and differentiability|Overview: continuity and differentiability]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 1|Exercises 1]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 2|Exercises 2]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 3|Exercises 3]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/ Exercises: Derivatives 4|Exercises 4]] {{stage|50%}} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear algebra|Linear algebra]] == === Vector spaces === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Vector space|Introduction: Vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space|Vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space: properties|Vector space: properties]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Proofs for vector spaces|Proofs for vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Field as a vector space|Field as a vector space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Coordinate spaces|Coordinate spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sequence spaces|Sequence spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Function spaces|Function spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Subspace|Subspace]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Union and intersection of vector spaces|Union and intersection of vector spaces]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Sum 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maps|Properties of linear maps]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear continuation|Linear continuation]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Proofs for linear maps|Proofs for linear maps]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Monomorphisms|Monomorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Epimorphisms|Epimorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Isomorphisms|Isomorphisms]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Endomorphism and Automorphism|Endomorphism and Automorphism]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Image of a linear map|Image of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Kernel of a linear map|Kernel of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space of a linear map|Vector space of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Dual space|Dual space]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises Linear Maps|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} === Matrices === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Introduction: Matrices|Introduction: Matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Matrix of a linear map|Matrix of a linear map]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Definition of a matrix|Definition of a matrix]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Linear systems and matrices|Linear systems and matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Vector space structure on matrices|Vector space structure on matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Matrix multiplication|Matrix multiplication]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Basis change via matrices|Basis change via matrices]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Exercises: Matrices|Exercises]] {{stage|50%}} == [[Math for Non-Geeks/Measure theory|Measure theory]] == === Introduction, basic definitions === * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Overview: Objects in Measure Theory|Overview: Objects in Measure Theory]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Volumes on rings|Volumes on rings]] {{stage|50%}} * [[Math for Non-Geeks/Continuity of volumes on rings|Continuity of volumes on rings]] 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University Physics Volume 1 */ new section 4639440 wikitext text/x-wiki == Re. [[University Physics Volume 1]] == Unfortunately, [https://openstax.org/books/university-physics-volume-1/pages/1-introduction the material which you're copying to Wikibooks] has a CC BY-NC-SA license, which is incompatible with Wikibooks' licensing. See [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] for further information. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:45, 8 June 2026 (UTC) tv34b5qo6ekn4avsl9h5unw40hoctm0 4639448 4639440 2026-06-09T01:20:11Z Rainmonger 122366 /* Re. University Physics Volume 1 */ Reply 4639448 wikitext text/x-wiki == Re. [[University Physics Volume 1]] == Unfortunately, [https://openstax.org/books/university-physics-volume-1/pages/1-introduction the material which you're copying to Wikibooks] has a CC BY-NC-SA license, which is incompatible with Wikibooks' licensing. See [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] for further information. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:45, 8 June 2026 (UTC) :Ah, that's good to know! Perhaps some specific language on the [[Wikibooks:Copyrights]] page about why the noncommercial part is incompatible with Wikibooks licensing would be helpful... like [https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/3036/element/4/416/ this scholarly article] (personal reminder). 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On the other hand, the public needs broader access to knowledge, culture, and learning resources. Copyright laws in effect at the time tended to apply the ''all rights reserved'' principle.<ref>{{Cite web |title=2. Copyright Law |url=https://ec2-3-130-221-114.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/course/cc-cert-edu/unit-2-copyright-law/2-copyright-law/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=Creative Commons |language=en-US}}</ref> This meant that any use of another person's work essentially required permission from the copyright owner. This situation created tensions. Many works that could have benefited education, research, or public creativity became difficult to access or reuse. Open culture activists began to question whether this system still aligned with the needs of today's society. === Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act: Extended Copyright === In 1998, the United States passed a law called the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA). This law extended the term of copyright protection for 20 years.<ref>{{Cite web |last=you |first=FindLaw or one of our contributing authors We make every effort to keep our articles updated For information regarding a specific legal issue affecting |last2=Area |first2=Please Contact an Attorney in Your |title=Term of Copyright Protection Extended by 20 Years |url=https://corporate.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/term-of-copyright-protection-extended-by-20-years.html |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=FindLaw |language=en-US}}</ref> Previously, certain works would enter the public domain after their copyright protection period expired. The public domain is a condition where a work can be freely used by anyone without requiring permission from the creator.<ref name=":0" /> However, due to the passage of the copyright extension, many works that should have immediately become public domain had to wait even longer. This copyright extension then sparked debate about the true purpose of the copyright system. Many questioned whether copyright was solely intended to protect creators, or whether it should also support the dissemination of knowledge and culture. Academics, librarians, educators, and cultural activists considered this policy to hinder public access to various works of historical and educational value. === Eldred vs. Ashcroft: The Lawsuit That Changed History === The debate over copyright extensions reached its peak in the case of Eldred vs. Ashcroft. The case was brought by Eric Eldred, an online publisher managing a collection of literary works that had entered the public domain. Eldred argued that copyright extensions were hindering his efforts to provide the public with access to classic works.<ref name=":1">{{Cite book |last=Lessig |first=Lawrence |title=Free Culture - How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Culture and Control Creativity |publisher=Penguin |year=2004}}</ref> Eldred was accompanied by Lawrence Lessig, a law professor known as a proponent of the free sharing of knowledge in the digital age. They argued that continuing to extend copyright extensions contradicted the spirit of the United States Constitution, which aims to encourage the advancement of science and the arts.<ref name=":1" /> In 2003, they finally reached the United States Supreme Court. Although the court ruled in favor of upholding the law, Eldred and his team lost the lawsuit. Lawrence Lessig and his colleagues realized that directly changing copyright law was no easy task.<ref name=":1" /> Therefore, they began searching for alternative solutions that could help creators share their works legally without having to change the existing legal system. This led to the birth of the idea of ​​Creative Commons. == Birth of Creative Commons == In 2001, Lessig, along with Abelson, Eldred, and several others, founded the non-profit organization Creative Commons (CC).<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |title=History |url=https://creativecommons.org/history/ |access-date=2026-06-09 |website=Creative Commons |language=en-US}}</ref> This organization was founded with the goal of providing a simple way for creators to share their work with the public. While the previous copyright system only recognized the principle of ''all rights reserved,'' this organization offered a new approach, often summarized as ''some rights reserved.'' Through this approach, creators retain the rights to their work but can grant specific permissions to the public. This allows others to clearly understand what is and is not permitted to do with a work without having to contact the creators individually. In 2002, Creative Commons launched its first license. 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